EVERYTHING Black Panther [merged]

[The Major]

I won't go as far as stupid. They just don't look past the ears, cape & color. Oddly, I think BP looks more like a cat than Batman looks like a bat.

Give them a BP movie like Priest's, only without the jokes, and I guarantee they won't confuse him with Batman. :D

[Chris Wallace]

I'm really not worried about him being so much confused with Batman; rather that he'll be dismissed as a Batman knockoff. I remember a lot of people didn't want to see Blade for fear he was a Buffy rip-off. And their similarities were fewer.

[chiefchirpa]

I am simply saying I'm against the idea.
Switching gears for a minute;
I watched "Never Back Down" last night & it really saddens me that in all likelihood, Djimon will never don the ears. Seeing him in that movie only further convinced me he'd be perfect for it.

Watch "Redbelt" and see why Chiwetel is better than Djimon (Oh, I watched NBD too) for Black Panther.

[Chris Wallace]

Can't embrace him just yet. I've read many a post recommending him & I just don't see it. But I resisted Downey at first, too. I try not to make up my mind who I would like to see in the role b/c 98.999999999% of the time, that's not who they get. And I would hate to wreck my own enjoyment of a movie b/c they didn't hire the person I had in mind. I figure, whoever they get, it'll at best be like when Tobey & Bale were picked; somebody I never would've thought of, meet with a lot of skepticism, & they turn out just fine.

[COAL TIGER]

I am simply saying I'm against the idea.
Switching gears for a minute;
I watched "Never Back Down" last night & it really saddens me that in all likelihood, Djimon will never don the ears. Seeing him in that movie only further convinced me he'd be perfect for it.

I agree with that. I felt the same way when I found out that Djimon was gonna be playing in Conan. I was thinking "damn, he diffenetly ain't gonna be BP now". And I bought Never Back Aown the other day. And watching that movie just made me even more dissappointed.

[COAL TIGER]

I'm really not worried about him being so much confused with Batman; rather that he'll be dismissed as a Batman knockoff. I remember a lot of people didn't want to see Blade for fear he was a Buffy rip-off. And their similarities were fewer.

And not knowing that Blade was created back in the 70's.

[COAL TIGER]

To be Honest I see Chiwetel playing Brother Voodoo more than T'Challa. But he's still the best choice right now. We don't have Djimon no more.

[The Major]

I'm really not worried about him being so much confused with Batman; rather that he'll be dismissed as a Batman knockoff. I remember a lot of people didn't want to see Blade for fear he was a Buffy rip-off. And their similarities were fewer.

Can't get around that unfortunately.

Thats why if they ever make a BP film it show how different he is from Batman while remaining relevant. And keep Hudlin from it at all costs.

[The Major]

To be Honest I see Chiwetel playing Brother Voodoo more than T'Challa.

Ever since I saw Serenity he's always been the perfect Black Panther to me.

But he's still the best choice right.

Agreed.

We don't have Djimon no more.

What happened with Djimon?

[The Major]

Can't embrace him just yet. I've read many a post recommending him & I just don't see it. But I resisted Downey at first, too. I try not to make up my mind who I would like to see in the role b/c 98.999999999% of the time, that's not who they get. And I would hate to wreck my own enjoyment of a movie b/c they didn't hire the person I had in mind. I figure, whoever they get, it'll at best be like when Tobey & Bale were picked; somebody I never would've thought of, meet with a lot of skepticism, & they turn out just fine.Watch Serenity.

He's basically auditioning for T'Challa in it. :D

edit: RDJ and Bale were my first choice for IM and Batman.

[COAL TIGER]

Djimon is gonna be playing in Conan now. So we don't have him no more.

[The Major]

Djimon is gonna be playing in Conan.

Conan has a better shot at getting made then BP.

He can always be T'Challa in the future.

[chiefchirpa]

Well Chiwetel movie (Redbelt) is more critically praised than Djimon's BND. Just look at their scores at IMDB and people's reviews. Chiwetel acting is exemplary.

Chiwetel is a pure method actor. If you want to see a good BP film that movie critics and all people like to see so they want to see the sequels, you can't go wrong with him. Djimon, I see him is just choosing the stereotypical role while Chiwetel is a heck more versatile from being a drag queen to a badass.

[Chris Wallace]

And not knowing that Blade was created back in the 70's.

I'm looking at the same demographic here; the same kind of person who can't tell BP from Batman probably wouldn't know that Blade predates Buffy by a good 20 years.

[COAL TIGER]

Conan has a better shot at getting made then BP.

He can always be T'Challa in the future.

Yeah but by that time he'll be way too old. I hear he's gonna be doing a movie after Conan called Red Sonja.

[Chris Wallace]

Watch Serenity.

He's basically auditioning for T'Challa in it. :D

edit: RDJ and Bale were my first choice for IM and Batman.

Not me. I acted so stupid about Downey that after I saw the movie, I felt the need to write him an apology.

[The Major]

Yeah but by that time he'll be way too old. I hear he's gonna be doing a movie after Conan called Red Sonja.

He could be T'Chaka then.

I didn't know he's going to be in Red Sonja.

[COAL TIGER]

Well Chiwetel movie (Redbelt) is more critically praised than Djimon's BND. Just look at their scores at IMDB and people's reviews. Chiwetel acting is exemplary.

Chiwetel is a pure method actor. If you want to see a good BP film that movie critics and all people like to see so they want to see the sequels, you can't go wrong with him. Djimon, I see him is just choosing the stereotypical role while Chiwetel is a heck more versatile from being a drag queen to a badass.

Let me get this straight. You don't think Djimon is a pure method actor? Judging by that post I assume you only seen him in Never Back Down.

And Chiwetel played a gangster in Four Broters. That's a stereotypical role right there.

[chiefchirpa]

Not me. I acted so stupid about Downey that after I saw the movie, I felt the need to write him an apology.

Don't.

RDJ doesn't look that similar to comic Stark who is handsome & tall. RDJ convinced people that he's Tony Stark solely through his acting. Bale isn't so good as Bruce Wayne compared to RDJ Tony, yet Bale has the physique although not so much with the chin.

[The Major]

Don't.

RDJ doesn't look that similar to comic Stark who is handsome & tall. RDJ convinced people that he's Tony Stark solely through his acting. Bale isn't so good as Bruce Wayne compared to RDJ Tony, yet Bale has the physique although not so much with the chin.

RDJ looks close enough to Tony for his acting skill to compensate.

It's not like he was playing Captain America. :D

[chiefchirpa]

Let me get this straight. You don't think Djimon is a pure method actor? Judging by that post I assume you only seen him in Never Back Down.

And Chiwetel played a gangster in Four Broters. That's a stereotypical role right there.

Amistad - Downtrodden slave
Gladiator - Persecuted African
Blood Diamond - Persecuted African

For the rest, read this:
http://www.theblackactor.com/2007/10/does-djimon-hou.html

Stereotypical for Chiwetel as gangster? He's the mob boss on there, I don't think he's playing stereotypical as he has acted as a drag queen and a father who lost his child in Tsunami.

[chiefchirpa]

RDJ looks close enough to Tony for his acting skill to compensate.

It's not like he was playing Captain America. :D

Yes, only through his acting skill and to some extent, his goatee.

Bale on the other hand is helped by the Batman persona. He's handsome and command that black haired tall likeable guy, but I don't see him as a confident Bruce Wayne especially in Batman Begins.

[The Major]

Yes, only through his acting skill and to some extent, his goatee.

Its a bit more then that.

RDJ's got the essentials down in that he looks like the type of aristocrat businessman who would run Wal-Mart.

He could pass for caucasian, though I did like how actually wasn't unlike in the comics where most heroes are white guys. :D

He was fit but not a body builder or over-weight. He did not look like he could last long in a fight.

His clothing was great, too. It all looked logical from when he was in a business suit to the casual wear for when he was locked away making stuff in the basement.

The goatee did help, I admit.

His acting just raised all those qualities though the roof.

It's the complete package you need for Tony Stark.

Bale on the other hand is helped by the Batman persona. He's handsome and command that black haired tall likeable guy, but I don't see him as a confident Bruce Wayne especially in Batman Begins.

That's not to bad if that's your ownly complaint. :D

[COAL TIGER]

Amistad - Downtrodden slave
Gladiator - Persecuted African
Blood Diamond - Persecuted African

For the rest, read this:
http://www.theblackactor.com/2007/10/does-djimon-hou.html

Stereotypical for Chiwetel as gangster? He's the mob boss on there, I don't think he's playing stereotypical as he has acted as a drag queen and a father who lost his child in Tsunami.

Chiwetel Ejiofor

Amistad - Former Slave

American Gangster - Gangster

G:MT - Greenwich Mean Time - Drug Dealing

Stereotypical roles right there.

Mob Boss and Gangster are pretty much the same thing. They do the same stuff.

[Chris Wallace]

Let me get this straight. You don't think Djimon is a pure method actor? Judging by that post I assume you only seen him in Never Back Down.

And Chiwetel played a gangster in Four Broters. That's a stereotypical role right there.

American Gangster. And he was the stupid one.

[chiefchirpa]

Chiwetel Ejiofor

Amistad - Former Slave

American Gangster - Gangster

Mob Boss and Gangster are pretty much the same thing. They do the same stuff.

He done that in such a low key or he has done more varied acting role before people don't see him as doing a stereotypical work.

Notice the difference with Djimon where everyone knows him doing mostly the same role (hence that article), even with Thulsa Doom of Conan.

[chiefchirpa]

American Gangster. And he was the stupid one.

Requirement of the story, he plays a true story character.

[Hiruu]

Eith Djimon or Chiwetel would be great choices for the role, but imho, I feel Chiwetel is the brtter actor, and would bring a far deeper performance to the role than Djimon. I think Black Panther would require a truly outstanding performance to break the film out of a sterotype expectation for the film.

[COAL TIGER]

He done that in such a low key or he has done more varied acting role before people don't see him as doing a stereotypical work.

Notice the difference with Djimon where everyone knows him doing mostly the same role (hence that article), even with Thulsa Doom of Conan.

More people in America would know him more from American Gangster and Four Bothers because they were American films.

[COAL TIGER]

Eith Djimon or Chiwetel would be great choices for the role, but imho, I feel Chiwetel is the brtter actor, and would bring a far deeper performance to the role than Djimon. I think Black Panther would require a truly outstanding performance to break the film out of a sterotype expectation for the film.

Some of you people don't make sense to me. Some of you sound as if you think Djimon can't act. Djimon has given oscar worthy performances. You want this to have the best porfermance ever in history?

[chiefchirpa]

Djimon can act. Chiwetel is just a better actor.

[Chris Wallace]

Requirement of the story, he plays a true story character.

I know. I have nothing against the guy. Hell, I enjoyed him in both "American Gangster" and "Inside Man". I just don't see the Panther when I look at him.

[chiefchirpa]

I don't see RDJ as Tony at first. He looks just like a relatively short dude with a goatee, but his acting performance carried through. At the same time Chiwetel doesn't look like the bald mustache T'Challa, though he's looks more like the current T'Challa. I'm hoping the acting performance will carry him through.

[Chris Wallace]

That's why, like I said, I can't embrace him now. But if the role goes to him, we'll see how it turns out.

[The Question]

Chiwetel Ejiofor

Amistad - Former Slave

American Gangster - Gangster

G:MT - Greenwich Mean Time - Drug Dealing

Stereotypical roles right there.

Mob Boss and Gangster are pretty much the same thing. They do the same stuff.

Serenity: Government Assassin

Inside Man: Police Officer

Children of Men: Terrorist leader

[RockSP]

Its a bit more then that.

RDJ's got the essentials down in that he looks like the type of aristocrat businessman who would run Wal-Mart.

He could pass for caucasian, though I did like how actually wasn't unlike in the comics where most heroes are white guys. :D

:huh::huh::huh:

Robert Downey jr is a white guy...

[The Major]

:huh::huh::huh:

Robert Downey jr is a white guy...

He looks part Mediterranean to me.

[Chris Wallace]

Does it really matter? His new movie has him "passing for black", & on that principle alone I say to the producers...
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc359/brittany82589/hotfrenchfry.jpg

[RockSP]

Does it really matter?

Nah. But he isn't "passing" for caucasian if he is caucasian...which he is.

His new movie has him "passing for black", & on that principle alone I say to the producers...
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc359/brittany82589/hotfrenchfry.jpg

Heh.

[Chris Wallace]

Did I say the producers? Make that anyone involved in the production in any way.

[Hypestyle]

still no new news.. hmm.. has anyone approached Chiwitel with this? does he even know about the Panther?

[Chris Wallace]

As far as I know, there isn't even a script yet, nor a director. So I doubt seriously that Chiwetel or anyone else has been approached about playing the role.

[ANTOINE X]

Since Black Panther is a dark super hero like batman and Batman is the number 2 for the biggest blockbuster movie ever, you bet they gonna do BP. I think marvel and DC wil copy each other's ideas. Marvel is very fast compare to DC. With an average of 2 movies per year I' think we will see Bp paired with spiderman in 2011....or maybe with iron man2 in 2010.

[Chris Wallace]

PLEASE NO MORE PANTHER/BATMAN PARALLELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh21/spidermichaelman/Batman_Black20Panther.jpg

[ANTOINE X]

Well I'm gonna have to disagree on that Bp ain't batman but there are some parallel. Both wear dark suit work often during the night like to hide... and so on...

[The Major]

Since Black Panther is a dark super hero like batman and Batman is the number 2 for the biggest blockbuster movie ever, you bet they gonna do BP. I think marvel and DC wil copy each other's ideas. Marvel is very fast compare to DC. With an average of 2 movies per year I' think we will see Bp paired with spiderman in 2011....or maybe with iron man2 in 2010.
Even if that does happen it won't be until Avengers is finished.

[chiefchirpa]

Batman (no offense to him) is a city defender. Black Panther is a state ruler. Big difference there. Batman relies on stealth exclusively because of his flimsy Kevlar mesh, Black Panther just like his suit black but he doesn't go overboard on stealth because his Vibranium laced suit will withstand assault rifles bullets.

BTW, Marvel needs to focus on Thor first. Less than 2 years from playtime but no director/direction has been talked? The schedule is a little off.

[Chris Wallace]

Well I'm gonna have to disagree on that Bp ain't batman but there are some parallel. Both wear dark suit work often during the night like to hide... and so on...

What I meant was, I'm tired of the comparisons. Read the thread.

[redlion2]

Some of you people don't make sense to me. Some of you sound as if you think Djimon can't act. Djimon has given oscar worthy performances. You want this to have the best porfermance ever in history?

I definately agree with this. I like both actors although I favor Djimon for the role of BP. His work in Blood Diamond was remarkable and convinced me of the depth of emotion he could bring to the role.

[ANTOINE X]

I definately agree with this. I like both actors although I favor Djimon for the role of BP. His work in Blood Diamond was remarkable and convinced me of the depth of emotion he could bring to the role.


I like Djimon movies but he 's not as versatile as chiwetel Ejiofor.

[redlion2]

I like Djimon movies but he 's not as versatile as chiwetel Ejiofor.

Ehh, I think Djimon is just as capable but to each his own though.

[ANTOINE X]

What I meant was, I'm tired of the comparisons. Read the thread.


Yeah I red your thread. But what you dont understand some people want a dark superhero on the Marvel side. Since dardevil and blade there is no one to take the 'torch' if I may say so. I mean spider-man,X-men, Fantastic 4,iron man, hulk and thor are not considered as dark heroes. Maybe punisher....

[Chris Wallace]

I do understand. I'm tired of people saying that they're looking for Marvel's Batman. I've been seeing that for years. I've never once read a post from anyone saying they want to see DC's Spider-Man. BP is never gonna get a fair shake if the fans don't look at him as a unique individual rather than the Dark Knight of Africa. If we perpetuate that perception, the non-comic readers (many of whom ALREADY can't tell the difference) are gonna follow suit.

[tamron]

If people really wanted Marvel's Batman, Moon Knight or Night Thrasher is more akin, not Black Panther.

[COAL TIGER]

Who should the villian/s be folks? Who should be the first Villian to be introduced into a BP movie?

Killmonger - A powerful warrior and strategic genius in politics and economics, who will stop at nothing to have the Kingdom of Wakanda for his own.
^
^
Nough said. Throw him into the movie Marvel.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/319703-135220-erik-killmonger_super.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

If people really wanted Marvel's Batman, Moon Knight or Night Thrasher is more akin, not Black Panther.

Thrasher has the origin. Moon Knight has more the motif. DD likes to stalk the shadoows, sneak up & scare people. Panther has the money, similar color scheme & pointy ears. Unfortunately that-and that above all-is why he gets more comparisons.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/blackpantherbymarkbartlde8.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/Picture-11.jpg
Like I said, uninitiated people get the 2 confused all the time.

[Chris Wallace]

Who should the villian/s be folks? Who should be the first Villian to be introduced into a BP movie?

Killmonger - A powerful warrior and strategic genius in politics and economics, who will stop at nothing to have the Kingdom of Wakanda for his own.
^
^
Nough said. Throw him into the movie Marvel.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/319703-135220-erik-killmonger_super.jpg

I can't think of a more fitting baddie. Someone who actually poses a threat to BP's throne.

[The Major]

Who should the villian/s be folks? Who should be the first Villian to be introduced into a BP movie?

Killmonger - A powerful warrior and strategic genius in politics and economics, who will stop at nothing to have the Kingdom of Wakanda for his own.
^
^
Nough said. Throw him into the movie Marvel.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/319703-135220-erik-killmonger_super.jpg
I'd prefer Killmonger to look and act in the Priest run.

He didn't need armor or weapons to take on BP in combat!

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/6057484.html

Chris:

Mk has some of Batman's insanity.

[The Major]

I can't think of a more fitting baddie. Someone who actually poses a threat to BP's throne.

You don't think White Wolf poses a threat to T'Challa's throne?

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't say that. I would NEVER say that! Ideally, I'd want them both.

[The Major]

I didn't say that. I would NEVER say that!

My mistake.

Ideally, I'd want them both.

Good idea.

[Chris Wallace]

Seriously, I like White Wolf. I love his costume, especially. He's like a negative version of BP.

[ANTOINE X]

If people really wanted Marvel's Batman, Moon Knight or Night Thrasher is more akin, not Black Panther.

I Dont want Batman. What I really want is DD. It's unfair. Hulk get is chance of reboot but not daredevil. Actually I liked the first one and they should continue with out Ben Aflect

[COAL TIGER]

Who Should play Killmonger and White Wolf?

That vampire with the Dreadloks from the first Blade movie reminds me of Killmonger. If anybody has a picture of him can you post it? And Scott Adkins would make a good White Wolf.

[Chris Wallace]

While I hate to make casting suggestions, my ideal Killmonger is the Haitian guy from "Lost".

[terry78]

I do want Klaw to be in there somewhere, either as an easter egg for a sequel or as a villain in the first one. Killmonger is a more personal villain I know, but Klaw would a little more...eye candy, I guess.

[The Major]

Terry:

They don't need much eye candy for Klaw if Killmonger is the big bad.

He just has to appear in the scenes where he almost conquers Wakanda and kills T'Chaka. Use special effects for the device he uses but leave him human.

Then give him a bigger role in the sequel where he gets his powers.

[COAL TIGER]

I see a good resemblence. Ya dig?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/308/164168-9462-white-wolf_super.jpg
http://www.fighttimes.com/magazine/images/Image/200609/uri_boyka.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Terry:

They don't need much eye candy for Klaw if Killmonger is the big bad.

He just has to appear in the scenes where he almost conquers Wakanda and kills T'Chaka. Use special effects for the device he uses but leave him human.

Then give him a bigger role in the sequel where he gets his powers.

I agree to an extent.
Leave Klaw out or give him a minimal role at best-perhaps in a flashback. As you all know, I'm all about keeping this thing away from Batman territory as much as possible, & coming out of the gate with a "vengeance for my father" plot won't help that endeavor at all.

[ANTOINE X]

Who Should play Killmonger and White Wolf?

That vampire with the Dreadloks from the first Blade movie reminds me of Killmonger. If anybody has a picture of him can you post it? And Scott Adkins would make a good White Wolf.


Maybe Micheal Offei the guy who played the cop in hitman

http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/65/56/92/18871018.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Hmm-maybe.

[Docker2.0]

Nah the first BP villian is going to be Klaw, the guy who makes solid sound things. He's his biggest and baddest villian and killed his father as well. If BP is made, that will be the villian for the first film.

[Chris Wallace]

Again, I don't think that's the way to go. I'm not sure I want Klaw at all, but I definitely don't want him to be the starting point. I don't want the movie to be about a personal mission of vengeance, for reasons which I've emphatically stated.

[Aesop Rocks]

If one was to be made, I would like to see Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje play T'Challa.

If someone could Manip the original picture, that would be awesome!

http://i41.tinypic.com/244cnlx.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34g8pdt.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

http://i41.tinypic.com/244cnlx.jpg

killmonger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarKush]

For villain, I would like to see Klaw (Hudlin's version of him from Who is the Black Panther?) Actually I think that would make an excellent BP movie.

Or Achebe. The Enemy of the State story would be pretty cool too, if they tamped down on Ross and perhaps took out the Mephisto cameo.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know if they could include Mephisto even if they wanted to.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/MV5BMTE5Mzk1NDEwNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTY.jpg

[The Geek Vault]

I think for the first film. They should have T'challa already be in the thrown. White Wolf will be working with BP doing his secret police thing. Killmonger will try to exploit T'challa for using the secret police. Which will lead to T'challa firing White Wolf who has been working with Killmonger all along.

[Chris Wallace]

I think for the first film. They should have T'challa already be in the thrown. White Wolf will be working with BP doing his secret police thing. Killmonger will try to exploit T'challa for using the secret police. Which will lead to T'challa firing White Wolf who has been working with Killmonger all along.

I like the outline. I would have T'Challa called away from Wakanda on official business-maybe to the UN or even here-while Wolf & Killmonger hatch their plot.

[Hypestyle]

...hope things come together sooner than later.. it would suck to have it only come out.. 15 years from now..

[Blackman]

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled6.jpg

[chiefchirpa]

^ Perfecto.

[[A]]

Yeah, I like Kinky Boots too :up:

[Docker2.0]

Bah! I like Derek Luke better. But as long as we get a BP movie I'm good. I wish they'd consider putting him in the Avengers movie. He'd basically be their Batman, except more badass.

[Chris Wallace]

I still say Elba.

[E-Man]

I think that they should do an origin movie to get things out of the way. Klaw should be the main villain, and Killmonger should be saved for the second film(if the first film does well.)

They could start the movie by showing Klaw invading Wakanda, young T'Challa seeing his father die, then he proceeds to blast Klaw's hand and drive them out of his kingdom. The way it was done in Priest's The Client is perfect. You get to show T'Chaka valiantly die defending his people. We get a good introduction to Klaw, and we have a real reason to dislike him. We see young T'Challa deal with loss, and we can see his first heroic moment that defines him. When Klaw asks, "Who are you?" and T'Challa responds with, "I'm the king." I get chills just thinking about that scene. The first 20 minutes devoted to this would keep people hooked throughout the whole movie. It could be really epic if they do it right.

Then we see present day T'Challa at around age 19-21. He's coming back from studying in the west. Through his journey back home, we can get a really good introduction to Wakanda through his eyes. We can get an idea of how much Wakanda misses their king, and we can also see T'Challa noticing the differences of culture between Wakanda and the western world. We also can get introduced to W'Kabi, Zuri, Taku, and T'Challa's stepmother Ramonda. They'll breif him on what's threatening Wakanda at the moment(which would be Klaw coming back for more), and T'Challa will begin to prepare to face Uncle S'yan who has been playing the role of Black Panther while T'Challa was growing.

Meanwhile in between this we get to see Klaw again dealing and planning. We find that he got away from his encounter with T'Challa with a bruised ego, and a small amount of vibranium. We see him planning with henchmen and all that good stuff, but we also see him get his powers. After losing his hand, Klaw started to severely doubt himself for losing a treasure to a little kid. You see, Klaw was always made fun of for his name. That's why he became a conqueror of cultures across Africa, Asia, South America, etc. T'Challa at age 8 beaitng him was the first time he ever loss, and he's driven to get his revenge. He took the vibranium, and he's been working for over a decade to get his ultimate power. It takes him nearly all his brains and willpower to use the vibranium right, and he's lost almost everything outside of henchmen looking to score big.

Back to T'Challa. We get some dialogue that explains what he was doing in America and Europe. We learn from his conversation with W'Kabi, Zuri, or Taku that he's learned various martial arts, viewpoints on sciences, and the whole nine. He's also learned to combine the good things about the West with what the ways of Wakanda. He also learned that the Americans are starting a team that might need to be looked at in the future.:cwink:

Meanwhile with Klaw again, he's finally getting closer to building his new hand that will give him the edge against the one kingdom that got away. He's used all his knowledge about Wakanda to come up with something that even they can't handle. This is when we catch a glimpse of a Hatut Zeraze member decloaking in Klaw's lab. The member tells him that his leader is thankful of Klaw to be a threat, and that his leader will enjoy watching Klaw go against T'Challa. Klaw asks for more vibranium, and the member declines stating something like, "Our leader helps you only to destroy the western influence that will come. He does not help you to destroy our culture. Vibranium is ours. You work with what little you have." Klaw gets pissed.

So back to T'Challa. Now he's going to fight the Black Panther. He steps into the chamber to face him. This scene would need a ton of atmoshperic buildup. By the time they start fighting, we should be on the edge of our seats with anticipation of this big battle. The battle must not dissapoint. Whoever choreographs it should make it epic, with T'Challa pulling off an glorious victory after a long fought battle. After his victory though, Zuri tells T'Challa that it's not over yet. He tells him that the rest of the ritual start in an hour. T'Challa looks ready.

For a quick break, we see Ramonda walk into the chamber and speak to T'Challa before the Panther trails start. We learn that he still hasn't gotten over his father's passing, that T'Chaka was a more than a great king, her was a great father and husband. We also learn that T'Challa clings to Ramonda because she's the only parent left. His mother died during childbirth, and his father at a young age. This is time for character bonding moments.

After Ramonda and T'Challa's conversation we see flashbacks of T'Chaka and T'Challa. We see him teaching him wisdom, science, martial arts, Wakandan law, etc. These flashbacks are interrupted by Zuri bringing in 5 of Wakanda's best warriors. These guys look ripped, and they begin to fight with T'Challa. This should be a hardcore epic scene, with T'Challa getting his ass kicked but still winning. After beating them all T'Challa asks, "I thought I was to fight 6 of the best?" Zuri smiles, puts down Bashenga's spear, and battles with T'Challa. After beating Zuri, Zuri proclaims that T'Challa hits like his father. S'yan then directs T'Challa to go find the heart shaped herb from the mountains. I forgot the name of the mountains that T'Challa has to climb.:csad: Anyway we have more character building moments, as T'Challa has to take this journey without food or water. We get some flashbacks of Klaw, T'Chaka, America, and him at an altar praying to the Panther god. When he reaches the heart shaped herb, it should be after we see what really makes him tick. He takes the herb, ingests it, and we see him connect with the Panther god. After a nice voice over proclaiming that he is worthy to be the true Black Panther like his father, we see T'Challa's eyes turn cat shaped, his muscles twitch, and he has new found powers. He proceeds to go home after this.

Back to Klaw. Klaw has finally done it. The new hand has come out successfully, and he prepares to connect it. He throws away his old prosthetic, and he places the new hand on his old stump. When he does this however, the hand locks into his arm, and his whole body is taken over by this new power. The Hatut Zeraze member decloaks in his lab, and Klaw kills him before he can even say anything. Klaw then goes to his henchmen, and he promises them a treasure worth more than gold.

T'Challa now is in council with the Wakandan parliament. They talk about how Wakandan intell has finally found Klaw's headquarters. They also declare they they believe that someone from inside the Wakandan government has given Klaw inside information. They think it's the Hatut Zeraze since the White Wolf cannot be found. T'Challa says that he will deal with him when he has the chance, but now they want Wakanda on alert. T'Challa tells them to prepare the military, and T'Challa goes to his office. In there is a Wakandan armor engineer, and he tells T'Challa that his new suit design is ready. They break down the vibranium mesh weave, the energy daggers, his kimoyo card, the retractable vibranuim claws, and a few other gadgets in his suit. T'Challa suits up for the first time, and Panther fanboys like me scream like little girls in the audience.:hehe:

Klaw's army starts to approach now, and it is an epic battle that puts the opening battle to shame. Klaw kills many Wakandans trying to get to T'Challa, and T'Challa does the same getting to Klaw. Once they reach each other, they have an epic battle that is hopefully on scale with Spider-man and Doc Ock in Spidey 2. We see how Klaw's sound powers cause massive damage. We see T'Challa's suit stand up to the damage. We see T'Challa come up with a plan to defeat Klaw, and he puts Klaw in the ground for good.......or does he.:cwink:

After that we have some closure. We learn how the battle hurt Wakanda, but they'll survive. We learn that T'Challa did his father a great honor, and we get the promise that Wakanda will be rebuilt bigger and better. The credits roll, and hopefully everyone goes home happy. After the credits roll, we see Hunter The White Wolf decloak on the battle field. He says, "Vibranium suit huh? Dear brother, you're becoming more than what our father thought you'd be."

[Son Of Logan]

Here's a new name to throw in the ring...Edi Gathegi. He's Kenyan, grew up in California. You can see him in Gone Baby Gone. Apparently he has stage and Shakespearean experience.

[Son Of Logan]

Edi Gathegi
Age:30
Hgt: 6'1"

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/reflect4ever/EdiG.jpg

[Docker2.0]

Who do you think should play BP's sister? Also, have a actress with her shirt off to. ;)

[E-Man]

Here's a new name to throw in the ring...Edi Gathegi. He's Kenyan, grew up in California. You can see him in Gone Baby Gone. Apparently he has stage and Shakespearean experience.

He's certainly got the look, and being from Kenya makes him more appealing. I want to see if he's got the acting ability to do it. I'll check out some of his movies.

Who do you think should play BP's sister? Also, have a actress with her shirt off to. ;)

Hopefully Shuri will be played by no one, because hopefully she won't be involved in the movie or anything else for that matter. If you want sexy chicks, the Dora Milaje can be good for that. They have a helluva lot more personality, and they offer more than Shuri ever has. I really despise Shuri.

[chiefchirpa]

BP needs a Blade treatment that the actor needs to be rather known.

If he's willing, Chiwetel Ejiofor is the best there is because he's a good British actor (of all-African parents not like Halle Berry mixed parentage), having a likeable charisma, and yes he can perform his own fight moves.

[E-Man]

I repeatedly say that Ejiofor is my number one guy, and for good reason. He can put on a really good performance, and his scenes in Serenity and Redbelt show that he can pull off the fight scenes.

[Hypestyle]

hmm... Shuri? interesting.. I wouldn't be offended.. Dora Milaje as well..

..Mr. Gathegi has an intriguing look...

...I'm hoping for the comics adaptation TV 'toon to premiere on BET soon, and get more buzz flowing about a movie..

...also Taye Diggs is doing the voice on the satire 'toon Super Hero Squad.. even though that show is clearly for younger kids/comedy, it would be interesting to see..

I'm hoping for an excellent cinematographer.. on-site filming in africa.. creating Wakanda's look..

[javphonic]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9272/bp02.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bp02.jpg)

Just some pics I found on google and put them together through powerpoint...

Left-random panther
Right-model Sandhurst (from Make Me a Supermodel) I think he'd make a good young BP, 22, 6'2, Caribbbean though, not African
Bottom-is a randam expeditioner in the jungle, (he's suppose to be Klaw)

[Chris Wallace]

Sorry-not feeling it. For one thing, it makes him seem like Manimal or something; like he actually turns into a panther. And what's with the hood?

[Blackman]

You know one of the sucky things about the movie
We would most likely not see a T'Challa and Storm romance

[Chris Wallace]

That's kind of a good thing. I don't want Halle mucking up another movie & I don't want BP's movie bogged down by a love story the way so many other superhero movies have.

[Blackman]

Superhero movies need a love story, it keeps then grounded
And Berry was fine as Storm (save for that one line) she wasnt given that much to do and I wouldnt mind if she returned at all

[Chris Wallace]

Some superhero movies are actually hurt by the romance angle, Berry was mediocre at best, (granted they didn't give her much but it was Jackman's movie) & I could truly do without it here. Even though I am the biggest proponent of their union you will EVER find online, there's no place for it in the movies IMO.

[RockSP]

Panther having a love interest is definitely a possibility, though I don't see why it would be Storm...there is that singer who he had the long romance with or the girl from college introduced in Priest's run (can't remember their names right now).

It can't be Storm anyway since Fox has the rights the X-Men. Unless Fox makes BP of course, which we should all pray doesn't happen.

[Chris Wallace]

I hate to say it-and I know I'm not the only one who thinks it-but I would HATE for BP to have a white love interest in the movie.

[RockSP]

^Heh heh. There's very little chance of that happening, anyway. If Will "Box Office King" Smith couldn't even kiss Charlize Theron in Hancock...

[Blackman]

I was about to say what RockSp said....in Hancock they edited out the kiss scene because they thought ppl would feel uncomfortable.
and
even if that wasnt the cast I doubt that they would give T'Challa a white love interest anyways

[E-Man]

I really don't care for a love interest. Maybe if there is a second movie, but that takes a backseat to building upon who T'Challa is. As for who the love interest is. I prefer Monica Lynne over Storm. Storm and BP are a little boring together for me. I love how Priest wrote both of them together, but after that they've been written like teenage lovers. I don't hate that they are together at all, but it seems cliche to have the two most prominent African characters married.

As for Monica Lynne, she offers a ton of things for me. She seems like the right type of woman to date. She is a great singer, she is down to earth, she's caring, and she's fine as hell too. The only problem is that she's an outsider to Wakanda. We get a chance to see the invincible king want what he can't have, and it's due to the old ways that has kept his country from being conquered. Does he stick with the old ways of his homeland, or does he progress with the woman he loves? Monica brings out alot in T'Challa. Storm is just paired with him because they're both African.

[Blackman]

Lynne would be good but I dont mind a love interest as long as it doesnt take over the whole movie like it did in SR

[Blackman]

T'Challa/Black Panther = Chiwetel Ejiofor
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled6.jpg

Monica Lynne = Zoe Saldana
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled24.jpg

Erik Killmonger = Idris Elba
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled25.jpg

White Wolf = Cole Hauser
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled26.jpg

Moses Magnum = Laz Alonso
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled27.jpg

[E-Man]

I can get with that cast Blackman. The only change I'd make is with Zoe Saldana. She's way too skinny for Monica Lynne. I'd love for Sanaa Lathan to play Monica. She is such a damn good actress, and she just makes you want to date her. Zoe has that cute, but potentially a dime piece with a few buffets look. Sanaa just carries herself like someone who you can't get enough of. If she can't do it, then my next pick would be Anika Noni Rose. That woman is such an overlooked talent. She steals the show on The No. 1 Ladies Detective agency, and I know she can pull off Monica well. Here's a pic of her.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/famenetwork/anika-dreamgirlspremiere.jpg

[Blackman]

Skinny is no problem I dont think. Shes not anorexic skinny or anything

I thought about Sanaa...but can she sing?

Other Monica choices I thought of while making my list
Kerry Washington
Gabrielle Union


But I dont even know if they can sing. I heard that Saldana could sing but I havent heard her first hand

and I like Rose. She was the overlooked actress in Dreamgirls, but I dont think she could play Monica, but she is a good singer

[RockSP]

Mmmm...Anika :heart:

Whoever would potentially play Monica wouldn't necessarily have to be a real singer. Lip syncing is a pretty common practice.

[Blackman]

^^^^then I support
1. Saldana
2. Union
3. Washington

[E-Man]

Skinny is no problem I dont think. Shes not anorexic skinny or anything

I thought about Sanaa...but can she sing?

Other Monica choices I thought of while making my list
Kerry Washington
Gabrielle Union


But I dont even know if they can sing. I heard that Saldana could sing but I havent heard her first hand

and I like Rose. She was the overlooked actress in Dreamgirls, but I dont think she could play Monica, but she is a good singer

Sorry bro, but Zoe has the build of a Japanese woman. She's built like a prepubescent boy. Kerry Washington would be a great great choice to.

[Blackman]

Zoe is not that much skinnier, if she is at all, than Anika
Both are skinny but not so much as to bother me

[Hypestyle]

...on a pure fantasy level, who could play Achebe?

[E-Man]

...on a pure fantasy level, who could play Achebe?

Achebe is such a tough one. I LOVE Achebe as a villain. He makes the perfect type of sinister guy that can give T'Challa all types of fits. He also makes a perfect foil for everything that ails Africa around Wakanda. I wish Maberry uses old Achubby. I miss that guy.

He would be so hard to pull off though. You couldn't just get some guy to laugh and smile all the time. You have to pull it off right. Peter Mensah has the look, but could he pull it off?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r306/thenewnegro/PeterMensah.jpg

[E-Man]

I found this on another board, and I'd like to share. Props to this cool pic go to Spuzo.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h47/lan73nb/ZZZYWrrr47.jpg

[tryp09]

T'Challa/Black Panther = Chiwetel Ejiofor
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled6.jpg

Monica Lynne = Zoe Saldana
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled24.jpg

Erik Killmonger = Idris Elba
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled25.jpg

White Wolf = Cole Hauser
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled26.jpg

Moses Magnum = Laz Alonso
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled27.jpg


Now that's a cast!

[Chris Wallace]

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/untitled6.jpg

I'm still unconvinced.

[Steve Holt]

i'd like to see Honsou in a flashback as T'Chaka, possibly supplying vibranium to the US Army for Cap's shield

[E-Man]

i'd like to see Honsou in a flashback as T'Chaka, possibly supplying vibranium to the US Army for Cap's shield

That would be a great scene. They have the rights to both Cap and BP I think. I would love it if they coped Priest's scene word for word. I loved how T'Chaka asked Cap to give him one reason why he should trust Cap with the vibranium, and Cap couldn't say anything.

[Steve Holt]

most people think he's to old now, but i'm not ready to let that go lol.

this is a good compromise

[E-Man]

Exactly. Having Hounsou play T'Chaka is a perfect way to have our cake, and eat it too.

[RockSP]

Michael Clark Duncan as Zuri.

[Docker2.0]

Has to be a big name white guy. Let's be real, the GA isn't going to see a entire movie about a black superhero fighting a black villian..............a all black cast. The villian should be Klaw. Plus the visuals with the things he can do with solid sound would be amazing on the big screen.

[E-Man]

The public went out to go see Dreamgirls, and that had an all black cast. They public would go see a BP movie with a black villain if it's promoted right.

[tamron]

Exactly. Having Hounsou play T'Chaka is a perfect way to have our cake, and eat it too.

Or it could just be the ultimate tease if Hounsou nails it and then the guy they get for T'Challa isn't up to snuff.

[E-Man]

Or it could just be the ultimate tease if Hounsou nails it and then the guy they get for T'Challa isn't up to snuff.
That would suck something fierce. I would hate to see Hounsou play a great T'Chaka, and then they cast somebody like LL Cool J as T'Challa.

[Steve Holt]

i meant Hounsou as T'Chaka with Chiwetel Ejiofor as T'Challa

[Golgo-13]

I'm still unconvinced.

He's starting to grow on me. He has the acting cops to pull it off, and looks pretty good doing combat/martial arts in his film 'Red Belt'.

I'd prefer to see Idris Elba as BP personally.

[Golgo-13]

Has to be a big name white guy. Let's be real, the GA isn't going to see a entire movie about a black superhero fighting a black villian..............a all black cast. The villian should be Klaw. Plus the visuals with the things he can do with solid sound would be amazing on the big screen.

Wouldn't it be something if they did though? See this film would need a massive marketing campaign. Something that makes it universally appealling..and not just advertise it as Marvels first black superhero.

[chiefchirpa]

Some in distant message boards have objected Ejiofor as BP because he doesn't look "black" enough. Yeah, pathetic excuse.

You want to have a black actor who's handsome & universally charismatic to carry an unknown character to a film. The choice is either Denzel (too old), Will Smith (Will Smith) or few other selected actors like Chiwetel. Chiwetel is one of the best black english actors and can perform his own fighting stunts. He's certainly top choice.

I'm also fine with Idris Elba but Chiwetel has more sympathetic expression with his big eyes.

[E-Man]

Ejiofor looks perfect for T'Challa. Hell he favors the T'Challa from all other writers besides Priest. Check out how he compares to the T'Challa of Kirby and Hudlin. He fits those portrayals pretty well, and this is coming from a big hater of those two writing runs.

Elba and Hounsou fit Priest's T'Challa great too. Both have this cold silent look that can pull of a thinking T'Challa so perfectly. As far as I'm concerned, any of those three would get me excited. People saying that Ejiofor isn't "black" enough probably don't pay too much attention to when Panther is unmasked.

[Chris Wallace]

I'd prefer to see Idris Elba as BP personally.

Ditto. I think this is one of the main reasons I'm having a hard time seeing anyone else in the role. You get sold on one person, it's difficult to embrace anyone else.

[Golgo-13]

I like Elba 'cause he has more leading man qualities to me; i think it's his height and his persona. As much as i like Ejiofor as an actor, he seems a little timid..looking. Not saying that he couldn't pull off BP but i have a hard time picturing it. I've seen Elba being menacing as 'Stringer Bell' on The Wire; i've seen him play sympathetic and pull off an impressive Africa accent in HBO's 'Sometimes in April'. If i was in charge of casting he'd he my leading man.

He has Denzel's build and screen presence, minus the age.

[Chris Wallace]

I agree w/G13.

[tamron]

I think E-Man brings up a good point, ie writers. I want Priest's BP. That's probably a big reason why I'd rather have Hounsou or Elba over Ejiofor. Chiwetel's cool, but I can't envision him as that Black Panther.

[chiefchirpa]

Hounsou is too old, I can't see him anything other than T'Chaka.

[Docker2.0]

He looks like he's in his early 30s. With make up, I'm sure he can pass for his late 20s. He's not to old for the part at all. Besideds, it's not like BP will get a sequel. If the movie gets made, it will be one and done and then later a reboot............it's the style with superhero movies.

[RockSP]

^^Heh heh. Dude is definitely NOT in his early 30s. Closer to 50. And saying it wouldn't get a sequel seems kinda strange. If it makes enough money they would definitely want a sequel. You know...like Spider-Man, Batman, Iron Man, etc...

[Chris Wallace]

I really wish they'd focus on just making a good movie & not worry about launching a franchise.

[[A]]

Impossible right now.

[Docker2.0]

Agreed Chris! And doesn't matter that dude is close to 50, but he looks the part and is in great shape. He's in better shape at close to 50 than most rappers are in their early 20's.

[Blackman]

superhero movies they mostly always think of franchise. Which I actually like

[Docker2.0]

yeah but most superhero movies DON'T have franchise. There are probably only 7 that have had them total. The other 20 have no such luck.

[Chris Wallace]

And how many of those others would have been better movies had they focused on the now instead of the next?

[Blackman]

yeah but most superhero movies DON'T have franchise. There are probably only 7 that have had them total. The other 20 have no such luck.
thats true the only franchises I can think of are
Batman
IM
X-Men
Spiderman

[Chris Wallace]

Superman
Blade
FF
Crow
But for every one that gets a sequel there's at least 3 that don't.

[tamron]

For the record, Hounsou is 45. Yes, he's a little long in the tooth, but I still think he'd be money as BP.

[E-Man]

The only superhero movies that I can think of without a sequel are Catwoman, Daredevil, Hulk, and Ghost Rider. You can't count Wanted since unfortunately they're making a sequel to that drivel. V for Vendetta, 300, and Watchmen weren't built for sequels, and Hulk at least got a second movie. Daredevil got a spinoff in Elektra. I think a BP movie could very well get a sequel. The outlook isn't that bad when it comes to that.

[Docker2.0]

For the record, Hounsou is 45. Yes, he's a little long in the tooth, but I still think he'd be money as BP.

Exactly. I'd rather it be him than..........P diddy or Jamie Foxx. Will Smith............I have no problem with him getting the part but I'll be damn if I go see any movie with Jamie Foxx being the lead. :cmad:

[Blackman]

Superman
Blade
FF
Crow
But for every one that gets a sequel there's at least 3 that don't.

All of them except FF are dead franchises...except Superman which is still limping along

[Docker2.0]

Well FF isn't exactly running the 40 yard dash either. :o

[Chris Wallace]

The only superhero movies that I can think of without a sequel are Catwoman, Daredevil, Hulk, and Ghost Rider. You can't count Wanted since unfortunately they're making a sequel to that drivel. V for Vendetta, 300, and Watchmen weren't built for sequels, and Hulk at least got a second movie. Daredevil got a spinoff in Elektra. I think a BP movie could very well get a sequel. The outlook isn't that bad when it comes to that.

Spawn
Steel
Rocketeer
Phantom
Supergirl
Captain America
Punisher
Barb Wire
Mystery Men
The Shadow
I'm sure there are more.

[RockSP]

Exactly. I'd rather it be him than..........P diddy or Jamie Foxx. Will Smith............I have no problem with him getting the part but I'll be damn if I go see any movie with Jamie Foxx being the lead. :cmad:

I don't think anybody here wants to see Puffy, Foxx or Will as Panther. But it's not like it's either them or Hounsou. By the time a Panther movie gets made Hounsou would probably be well into his 50s, anyway.

[Docker2.0]

Not really. Marvel is trying to get up to 4 movies a year. If that's the case, then I can easily see them doing a BP movie within the next 4 years. The thing right now is getting the first Avengers movie out of the way. Everything that Marvel is doing now is leading up to it. I think once it's done, you will see Marvel make movie for it's "lesser" properties like BP, Dr. Strange and Luke Cage.............though I still say Luke Cage and Iron Fist would make a great tv show.......even if it's on the Sci-fi channel.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think anybody here wants to see Puffy, Foxx or Will as Panther. But it's not like it's either them or Hounsou. By the time a Panther movie gets made Hounsou would probably be well into his 50s, anyway.

Can we truly say that nobody wants Foxx or Will?

[Docker2.0]

I can honestly say noone wants to see Foxx..............but big Willie....................I won't have a problem with him playing T'Challa.

[Blackman]

Foxx isnt in my top 5 choices but if he gets cast....I wouldnt HATE it. I would just prefer other ppl

Smith I like his work, but not for BP

[E-Man]

Spawn
Steel
Rocketeer
Phantom
Supergirl
Captain America
Punisher
Barb Wire
Mystery Men
The Shadow
I'm sure there are more.

Those don't count. They were experiments by evil men on the human species, and they should technically be super villain movies.:o

[Chris Wallace]

They count. I wish I could add The Mask, Hellboy & The Crow to that list.

[Blackman]

1. Ejiofor
2. Luke
3. Hodge
4. Elba
5. ???

[RockSP]

Foxx isnt in my top 5 choices but if he gets cast....I wouldnt HATE it. I would just prefer other ppl

Smith I like his work, but not for BP

If Smith was cast that would surely be a sign of the apocalypse.

[Docker2.0]

Really? I don't understand the hate for Wil Smith when it comes to superhero movies. He is ripped and a great actor. :huh:

[Chris Wallace]

If Smith was cast that would surely be a sign of the apocalypse.

Nah. Now if Howard or ANYBODY, I repeat, ANYBODY in the music industry were cast, that would be a sign of the apocalypse.

Oh, wait-Will is in the music industry. Sometimes.

[Blackman]

Smith is a very good actor. He can do well in deeper roles and hes good in entertaining ones too.
But still, for BP...as he would say "Aw HELL NAH"

[Blackman]

double post

[Docker2.0]

We heard you the first time! :cmad: But seriously, I'd have no problem with it. But still I'd rather see Housan or even Derek Luke get the part.

[Blackman]

Damn double post

Who is Housan

[Docker2.0]

Hounsan. Sorry. Drinking beer at this time of night tends to distort reality a little.

[Chris Wallace]

I think part of the problem with the sequel idea is that, by & large, what propels a comic movie franchise forward is the rogues' gallery. They can keep making Spider-Man & Batman movies b/c the villains are established, well-known & people want to see them. How often do people hear of a superhero movie getting a sequel & the first thought that pops in their head is, "Who's the villain gonna be?" Black Panther, let's face it, has very few truly worthy villains & NONE of them are well-known. Of course, neither is he & that's also part of the problem. So if we can get a studio to invest in him, they have little to no reason to think they can really take it past one.

[E-Man]

I think the villain problem is easy to solve. Klaw is the first villain. Killmonger the second villain if there's a second movie. The third could be any sort of other villain with alot of potential for good screen. Achebe has a great ton of potential on screen, and so does The White Wolf. The Hatut Zeraze would make perfect villains onscreen. You could turn that into a huge third screen epic. If they don't want to go that route you could do a crossover movie since BP is owned by Marvel Studios.

[DarKush]

I don't think popularity, in terms of hero or villain are a deal killer here with BP. I can guarantee you that most people (mass audience) don't know who Iron Man's rogues gallery is, or what about Captain America's (outside the Red Skull), or the Hulk's, or Wolverine's (outside of Sabertooth and now Stryker I suppose), or Ghost Rider's, or Elektra's, or Daredevil's, or Green Lantern's, Thor's, Deadpool's, etc., etc. but these have all been made, in development, or being discussed. Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman (to some extent) have the best or the best known rogues' but other than that it gets really murky in terms of how much the general audience knows about supervillains. I would rather the BP producers focus on making BP's existing rogues better or more movie ready so that they blow away the casual movie goer when they are watching the trailer because I think that's what's going to count.

E-Man pointed out Klaw and Killmonger, two potentially great villains. There's also Achebe and BP does have a rogues' gallery that could be tweaked to be quite good. I liked Hudlin's idea of throwing a group of villains at BP, taking also-rans like Batroc and Rhino and making them fit the story and be quite effective. I wouldn't mind seeing Rhino in a BP film, perhaps as muscle for Klaw or Achebe.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not saying that it's a deal killer, only that it's harder. You can put all kinds of Joker references on posters & Joe Average gets psyched. Same w/Doc Ock or Magneto having their own posters. People were already clamoring for a chance to see these people onscreen. People came out of the theaters having seen Spider-Man take on Green Goblin, & were eager to see him go up against Ock & Venom. The studios were able to easily capitalize on this desire in their marketing, thus guaranteeing the success of the sequels. Why? Those baddies are known, & they're recognizable. White Wolf & Killmonger, much as I like them, are not. Rhino is out of the question, I think, for fairly obvious reasons. And I personally wouldn't open with Klaw, simply because the daddy vengeance vendetta angle is a little too Batman, & I think that it is imperative for BP's success that a clear distinction be made between him & the other pointy-eared rich guy. Remember, we want people who know absolutely nothing about comics to be just as drawn to this movie as they were to Iron Man.
EDIT: I think the only hope BP has for any kind of cinematic future is if they really focus their energy on making an awesome movie coming out of the gate. A stand-alone film, with no guarantee either way as to whether or not we'll see him again. Blade, like BP, was a relatively unknown character who couldn't keep a book on the shelves, hadn't appeared in any cartoons except as a guest on someone else's show, & was dismissed by many as a knockoff of someone that they all knew. He also lacked a noteworthy supporting cast or prominent rogues gallery to spin movies off of. But the movie was good. Truly good. As a standalone. It got people to fall in love with the character himself. So although most people had no clue & barely cared what his next adventure would be or who he'd be up against, the fans were on board. So much so that Goyer & Del Toro were able to throw a completely made-up villain at us & we ate it up. Now while I'm not generally in favor of going this route, I feel that T'Challa needs to do the same thing. Win fans over with a movie that is uniquely his, & then we can worry about whether or not he's coming back.

[DarKush]

I agree with you that it makes it harder. The racial/cultural/script/FX hurdles are going to be Olympian as it is. If Panther or his villains had more widespread popularity it would make for an easier sell. But that doesn't erase the fact that many other hero films in similar straits (not having a popular rogues' gallery) have done well or decent without having well known villains.

I also agree that the true focus should be to make a good movie, a one-shot that if it catches on you can do more installments. Blade is a great example. They could've stopped there at one, but left it open enough to do more stories.

I disagree with you about not having Klaw as the main villain. For one, though BP might have a small fanbase, he does have one, and a good deal of them would probably like to see Klaw, Killmonger, or Achebe as the first villain. Why piss off or dispirit these people, who are going to be first in line for a BP film?

I have no problem with the revenge angle, its a standard one in a lot of films and Batman isn't the only hero that's avenging dead relatives. I think its how you present BP that will make him different than Bats and the blueprint is already there if TPTB choose to use it.

Going with an original villain will be different how? What will be different about their motivations/goals than what you would get with Klaw, Killmonger, or Achebe?

One more thing, I think BP actually has had a better comics run than Blade has. Blade's about to face cancellation again in the Captain Britain series while BP is still chugging on. I also think that BP has better basic elements to be a comic book franchise than Blade. BP has a more classic look, an intriguing backstory filled with exotic locales, adventure, and a little romance, and cool technology. Without the Blade films, truly where would Blade rank as a hero/comics property? Don't get me wrong, I love Blade and I want him to be successful, but that love generally stems from the movies and not the comics. BP, vice versa, has generated a more loyal fanbase the traditional route though comics which I think could be expanded with the right film. But first I would love to see them put him out there more, perhaps with the animated series or an solo animated film, along the lines of what DC is doing with Wonder Woman, Green Lantern or what Marvel did with Dr. Strange and Iron Man.

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't say NO KLAW EVER. I said I'd prefer they didn't start out with him. I'd prefer Killmonger and/or White Wolf as a starting point, & then maybe we can see Klaw if & when a sequel came about. Maybe, unlike Batman & Blade, Panther can put his revenge on hold & not do it the very first time we see him. And while Batman may not hold the patent on the revenge angle, he is the one character to whom Panther is most often compared, (and for whom he is most often mistaken) & I'd like to keep said comparisons to a minimum as I fear they may hurt his marketability. Otherwise I agree with you.

[terry78]

Well, with Klaw you got the eye-candy angle, which is what people do want to see. BP has his acrobatic skills and weapons, but seeing him in a possible jungle setting dodging sonic attacks in trees or on a mountain range like Kilamanjaro will not look shabby, so long as they have a budget.

[Chris Wallace]

That has potential.

[DarKush]

I didn't say NO KLAW EVER. I said I'd prefer they didn't start out with him. I'd prefer Killmonger and/or White Wolf as a starting point, & then maybe we can see Klaw if & when a sequel came about. Maybe, unlike Batman & Blade, Panther can put his revenge on hold & not do it the very first time we see him. And while Batman may not hold the patent on the revenge angle, he is the one character to whom Panther is most often compared, (and for whom he is most often mistaken) & I'd like to keep said comparisons to a minimum as I fear they may hurt his marketability. Otherwise I agree with you.

I don't think those comparisons would necessarily be a bad thing if it might convince people who liked Batman Begins/The Dark Knight or Batman in general to give BP a shot.

I mean, we know that BP is a different guy than Bats. Both are wealthy, but BP is a king, there's a whole political dimension that can be explored that can set him apart from Bats. BP is also more emotionally stable I would say and with more healthy relationships, he's not as dark and edgy as Bats, but still has the fighting and technical skill. If the writers stay true enough to BP then he won't be a Batman clone. But if they want to take some things from Bats-things that worked-and apply them to a BP movie that's fine with me if it doesn't impact the quality of the film.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think those comparisons would necessarily be a bad thing if it might convince people who liked Batman Begins/The Dark Knight or Batman in general to give BP a shot.
Or it might prompt them to stay away. If they think all they're getting is some black guy trying to be Batman, why spend their money when they can stay home & watch the "real thing" for free?

I mean, we know that BP is a different guy than Bats. Both are wealthy, but BP is a king, there's a whole political dimension that can be explored that can set him apart from Bats. BP is also more emotionally stable I would say and with more healthy relationships, he's not as dark and edgy as Bats, but still has the fighting and technical skill. If the writers stay true enough to BP then he won't be a Batman clone. But if they want to take some things from Bats-things that worked-and apply them to a BP movie that's fine with me if it doesn't impact the quality of the film. I know BP isn't a Batman clone. But the average non-comic reader doesn't. I don't want that to be the general perception. That, I fear, would seriously hurt the movie's chances.

[E-Man]

One more thing, I think BP actually has had a better comics run than Blade has. Blade's about to face cancellation again in the Captain Britain series while BP is still chugging on. I also think that BP has better basic elements to be a comic book franchise than Blade. BP has a more classic look, an intriguing backstory filled with exotic locales, adventure, and a little romance, and cool technology. Without the Blade films, truly where would Blade rank as a hero/comics property? Don't get me wrong, I love Blade and I want him to be successful, but that love generally stems from the movies and not the comics. BP, vice versa, has generated a more loyal fanbase the traditional route though comics which I think could be expanded with the right film. But first I would love to see them put him out there more, perhaps with the animated series or an solo animated film, along the lines of what DC is doing with Wonder Woman, Green Lantern or what Marvel did with Dr. Strange and Iron Man.

This is something that I say when people say that BP isn't popular enough. Who in the hell knew Blade before the movie came out? Even some comic fans were wondering who he was at the time. Blade was a D list character that got a good team, and a recognizable lead to push forward. BP would have a bigger fanbase to start with, and if you get a recognizable name somewhere in the mix you'll have a success. If the movie looks good people will go see it. BP has huge potential to be a Fantastic Four level hit. I can really see some big things happening if Marvel takes the property serious.

[Blackman]

THe only thing I hope doesnt happen with a Black Panther movie is that ppl think its a "Black people movie"

[Chris Wallace]

Lacking popularity doesn't mean you can't do well in movies. I never said that. It's just a harder sell, that's all. Little known characters can do great if the movie is handled right.
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And of course, well-known heroes have crashed & burned.
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And relatively well-known ones have fallen in the middle.
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Black Panther can be a huge success if they do it right. I think we all can agree on that. What seems to be a point of debate is exactly what "doing it right" entails.

[Chris Wallace]

THe only thing I hope doesnt happen with a Black Panther movie is that ppl think its a "Black people movie"

I don't know about that. People didn't dismiss Hancock or Blade as "Black people movies" or Spawn as a "Black people cartoon". Then again, those heroes didn't have "Black" in their names or sound like some kind of political activists.

[E-Man]

2 things.

1. The reason why Superman Returns and Watchmen crashed and burned were simple. Supes Returns wasn't really that engaging, and it was seen as boring. Supes also doesn't hold the same popularity as he used to.

Watchmen failed because it was almost three hours long, and it was way overhyped. I still haven't seen the movie, but I saw how it was advertised as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think people thought they were going to get this amazing movie, but three hours is asking way too much from the casual audience. It worked with Titanic and Lord of the Rings because those properties were huge. Watchmen may have alot of notoriety in the comic world, but that's a much smaller market than Titanic and Lord of the Rings. Besides, Watchmen as a comic is one of the most overrated things I've ever read. That's slightly OT, but it's not what it's cracked up to be. Sure it was innovative, but there are waaaaaaaaaay better comic stories than Watchmen.

2. Who thought of the Iron Man Female thing?:hehe:

[Blackman]

Watchmen was marketed like an action movie, which was bad

[Microchip]

Speaking of bad marketing, did anyone else ever see that Bridge to Terabithia movie from about 6 years ago? I caught a bit of it on TV, and wow. Not at all what I expected.

Anyways, I think BP can stay away from Batman by not being set here in USA. Couldn't it all be in Africa? There's lots of movies that work like that, IE Last King of Scotland. It'd be a different location with a different theme, and set it apart from almost every other Superhero movie that takes place in a crowded American metropolis city.

[Chris Wallace]

2 things.

1. The reason why Superman Returns and Watchmen crashed and burned were simple. Supes Returns wasn't really that engaging, and it was seen as boring. Supes also doesn't hold the same popularity as he used to.

Watchmen failed because it was almost three hours long, and it was way overhyped. I still haven't seen the movie, but I saw how it was advertised as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think people thought they were going to get this amazing movie, but three hours is asking way too much from the casual audience. It worked with Titanic and Lord of the Rings because those properties were huge. Watchmen may have alot of notoriety in the comic world, but that's a much smaller market than Titanic and Lord of the Rings. Besides, Watchmen as a comic is one of the most overrated things I've ever read. That's slightly OT, but it's not what it's cracked up to be. Sure it was innovative, but there are waaaaaaaaaay better comic stories than Watchmen.

2. Who thought of the Iron Man Female thing?:hehe:
IDK. I didn't even notice it until you said something. My point is, how you do among comic fans & how you do w/the rest of the world have very little to do with each other. Black Panther can succeed. I don't even think he'd be as hampered by race as I once did. They just have to deliver the goods.

[RockSP]

I don't know about that. People didn't dismiss Hancock or Blade as "Black people movies" or Spawn as a "Black people cartoon". Then again, those heroes didn't have "Black" in their names or sound like some kind of political activists.

Plus Hancock had Will Smith...the biggest star in Hollywood. Blade had vampires and Wesley Snipes was still decently popular at the time. There were also very few other black people in those casts...something Panther really can't do...unless most of the movie is set outside of Wakanda.

[Chris Wallace]

Plus Hancock had Will Smith...the biggest star in Hollywood. Blade had vampires and Wesley Snipes was still decently popular at the time. There were also very few other black people in those casts...something Panther really can't do...unless most of the movie is set outside of Wakanda.

I don't think "Amistad" ws dismissed as a black movie. As long as he doesn't come off as a superhero from the "hood", it shouldn't be a problem.

[E-Man]

I think we all agree that it could succeed, but that it needs to be pulled off the right way like Chris said. One fear that I have is that Marvel either over thinks it or doesn't put too much effort into it at all. I just want them to focus on telling a good story before all else. I don't care what the director looks like, or if T'Challa has a white friend, or if there is no mention of America at all. I just want to enjoy Black Panther like I have had in the past. Reading the Priest series was like nirvana to me. I want to have that exact same feeling when watching the movie.

[Chris Wallace]

Speaking of bad marketing, did anyone else ever see that Bridge to Terabithia movie from about 6 years ago? I caught a bit of it on TV, and wow. Not at all what I expected.I remember a movie called Metro, w/Eddie Murphy. They marketed it like it was a comedy when it was more of an action movie. But then, Hulk was marketed as an action movie, too, & was more of a drama.

Anyways, I think BP can stay away from Batman by not being set here in USA. Couldn't it all be in Africa? There's lots of movies that work like that, IE Last King of Scotland. It'd be a different location with a different theme, and set it apart from almost every other Superhero movie that takes place in a crowded American metropolis city.
I wouldn't mind some of it taking place here, like he goes to the UN or something like that, but it should be predominantly in Wakanda.

[sabetoonth]

to break away here abit, how should they do the costume? i did a design were the weaving of the fibers followed the general direction of muscle fiber, what do you guys think they should do?

[Chris Wallace]

Honestly, I want him in spandex. SOmething along the lines of Spider-Man's or the FF's material. I really hope they don't put him in rubber or leather, or some ridiculous armor-looking suit.

[DarKush]

I don't know about that. People didn't dismiss Hancock or Blade as "Black people movies" or Spawn as a "Black people cartoon". Then again, those heroes didn't have "Black" in their names or sound like some kind of political activists.

Also, those movies had largely white casts, as villains and supporting characters. If you base BP in Wakanda and there's not a major white character or the story is not being told through him, or is about him (aka Everett Ross), then BP is going to run that risk. Those movies also largely shied away from any discussion of politics, economics, or social conditions. BP doesn't have to dwell on those topics or even bring them up, but the potential is there to go that route and it could be unsettling.

As for Batman, what I was going for was the 'familiarity' might mollify some people's concerns and give them something familiar because I'm assuming that BP would be an unfamiliar experience for them. A powerful, modern (futuristic really) black African king presiding over a country of strong, intelligent black people not subordinate to whites. That could possibly be disconcerting to a majority audience, and others as well, including some black people. The 'unreality' of it might keep some black people away. But you are right that it might turn off people too who might feel that BP is a fake black Batman. It's all about the marketing. That's how you can define what or who BP is for the average movie goer.

[DarKush]

Honestly, I want him in spandex. SOmething along the lines of Spider-Man's or the FF's material. I really hope they don't put him in rubber or leather, or some ridiculous armor-looking suit.

On this we are in agreement. I think BP has a classic look that should be copied as much as possible for his movie outfit. Spidey and FF would be the way to go.

I know that BP has used armor before, but I don't want that to be his standard outfit.

[E-Man]

For BP's costume, I prefer the Sal and Bob look, but the classic look owns as well. I'd actually do both. I'd have him start off with the classic look, and then later on in the film he dons his "new" vibranium microweave suit. If it looks similar to Spidey and FF then I'm happy. He shoudn't have the bulky looking kevlar like Batman. It works great for Batman, but BP needs to look and feel acrobatic.

[Golgo-13]

I agree with what others have said, about BP being marketed as a black movie. With the vast majority of the cast being black, i can't see how this can be avoided though. What gets me is how most movies where the majority of the cast members are white; the movie isn't marketed as a 'white' movie, it's just 'a movie'. Yet movies like Soul Food, Soul Plane, Barber shop,Players club, etc are automatically seen as black movies. Speilburg directed 'The Color Purple' and for the most part, that's seen as a black movie; but........was 'Slumdog Millionaire' seen as an Indian/Bollywood movie......or just 'a movie'?

Now that I think about it, and using 'Slumdog' as the template, i think it has something to do with the movies' message. For example Soul Food's message was the importance of the Black family, as is most Tyler Perry movies, etc therefore they're catagorized as 'black movies'. So if Black Panther's message is a universal one, and they stay away from the race angle then i think it'll be fine with the general public. Although i seriously doubt that Marvel will be capable of resisting the urge to market this film under the title of 'Marvels first black Superhero'.

[Blackman]

I agree with what others have said, about BP being marketed as a black movie. With the vast majority of the cast being black, i can't see how this can be avoided though. What gets me is how most movies where the majority of the cast members are white; the movie isn't marketed as a 'white' movie, it's just 'a movie'. Yet movies like Soul Food, Soul Plane, Barber shop,Players club, etc are automatically seen as black movies. Speilburg directed 'The Color Purple' and for the most part, that's seen as a black movie; but........was 'Slumdog Millionaire' seen as an Indian/Bollywood movie......or just 'a movie'?

Now that I think about it, and using 'Slumdog' as the template, i think it has something to do with the movies' message. For example Soul Food's message was the importance of the Black family, as is most Tyler Perry movies, etc therefore they're catagorized as 'black movies'. So if Black Panther's message is a universal one, and they stay away from the race angle then i think it'll be fine with the general public. Although i seriously doubt that Marvel will be capable of resisting the urge to market this film under the title of 'Marvels first black Superhero'.
Soul Plane wasnt a movie it was an emabarrassment and down right idiotic but I see what you mean.
It'll be hard to market it because the name itself 'BLACK PANTHER' would trigger ppl to think that its a "black movie"

[Bubonic]

I doubt it would be conceived as a "black people movie", those types of movies are usually referred as such because the film is saturated with African-American culture that mainstream white audiences can't relate to because they aren't necessarily loaded with the black people stereotypes some might have come to expect.

The Black Panther should play out in Wakanda and have a predominantly black cast, but with a regal African flavour, not an urban African-American flavour.

[Blackman]

A movie with an all black cast, set in Africa, by a black director, with a character that shares a name of a black radical group. Unfortunately, I wont be surprised that it will be perceived as a black movie

I say they have BP in the Avengers

[RockSP]

A movie with an all black cast, set in Africa, by a black director, with a character that shares a name of a black radical group. Unfortunately, I wont be surprised that it will be perceived as a black movie

You know something we don't, BM?

[E-Man]

I doubt it would be conceived as a "black people movie", those types of movies are usually referred as such because the film is saturated with African-American culture that mainstream white audiences can't relate to because they aren't necessarily loaded with the black people stereotypes some might have come to expect.

The Black Panther should play out in Wakanda and have a predominantly black cast, but with a regal African flavour, not an urban African-American flavour.

This is why the choice for director is so crucial. There is such a huge difference between blacks here in the U.S. and native African blacks. some writers just don't understand that. The culture difference between the two is huge, and we need to have someone that understands that. Wakandans can't talk as if they're from America, they need to have dialogue that is similar to how real Central or Western Africans conversate. Now that I think about it, not just the director, but everyone from the producers to the cast. If anyone should speak with an American "flavor" it should be T'Challa, since he spent time learning in the west. But even then he should predominantly sound like a Wakandan. He is native Wakandan after all.

[Golgo-13]

I would love Cameron or Speilburg to direct this. Can you imagine the buzz!

[Blackman]

You know something we don't, BM?
no i dont

I was just assuming since thats the same thing their trying to do with Luke Cage and since John Singleton was apporached to direct

I'd like to see Antoine Fuqua direct this. THe guy who did Training Day, Tears of the Sun, Shooter, King Arthur

[Bubonic]

So long as it isn't Tim Story...

[Chris Wallace]

For BP's costume, I prefer the Sal and Bob look, but the classic look owns as well. I'd actually do both. I'd have him start off with the classic look, and then later on in the film he dons his "new" vibranium microweave suit. If it looks similar to Spidey and FF then I'm happy. He shoudn't have the bulky looking kevlar like Batman. It works great for Batman, but BP needs to look and feel acrobatic.

"Sal & Bob"?:huh:
I doubt it would be conceived as a "black people movie", those types of movies are usually referred as such because the film is saturated with African-American culture that mainstream white audiences can't relate to because they aren't necessarily loaded with the black people stereotypes some might have come to expect.

The Black Panther should play out in Wakanda and have a predominantly black cast, but with a regal African flavour, not an urban African-American flavour.

On this we agree.
I would love Cameron or Speilburg to direct this. Can you imagine the buzz!

No. I doubt they would touch it anyway, & having read Cameron's "Spider-Man" script and seen the last Indiana Jones, I have to give that idea a tremendous thumbs down.

[Golgo-13]

"Sal & Bob"?:huh:


On this we agree.


No. I doubt they would touch it anyway, & having read Cameron's "Spider-Man" script and seen the last Indiana Jones, I have to give that idea a tremendous thumbs down.

Yes Indy 4 sucked and Camerons Spiderman script had only one good use..toilet paper, but you can't deny their talents as directors. I'm sure the Indy script sucked from day one; Lucas wrote it after all. The same Lucas they wrote the Star Wars PT. So i'm sure no matter who directed Indy 4, the movie would have been just as bad. I think with a solid script, and a great director this movie could be the biggest thing since...Barack Obama.:woot:

I wouldn't mind having David Goyer write one of the drafts; so long as he keeps his ass out of the directors chair.:csad:

[Chris Wallace]

I still seriously doubt that Cameron or Spielberg would touch BP, nor do I really think the movie would be good if they did. The ONLY things I've liked from Cameron are the 2 Terminators. I don't instantly fall in love with everything Spielberg touches, either. And understand that name recognition doesn't mean jack. Just because someone has made good movies in one genre doesn't mean they'll do well in another.
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Hell, in the same genre. Lest we forget that the same man who gave us this
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also gave us THIS.
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And I liked everything else I've seen of his. Hell, I believe Joel Schumacher was actually a respected filmmaker at one point, until he got ahold of Batman. This is why I try not to speculate on what director would be good for a movie, because there's really no gauge. This movie that they made was good, this one wasn't-what does it mean? Any director can make a good movie or a bad one, depending on the script, the cast, the budget, his passion & numerous other factors. I hate Spike Lee's movies with a fiery passion but I loved "Inside Man", "Clockers" & "Malcolm X". I generally don't like John Singleton but I can still enjoy "Shaft". I loved "V For Vendetta" & the first 2 Matrix films but I have no desire to see "Speed Racer". And as much as I've enjoyed the Spider-Man films, "Darkman" & "A Simple Plan", I have not seen any of Sam Raimi's horror films so I have no idea whether or not they'd be any good. So I think it's very unrealistic to say that a director would be good for a particular project when we really, truly have no idea how they would approach it. It's only when he actually has gotten his hands on it & starts talking about where he's going with it that I form an opinion. Now I will say that I don't want someone like Lee or Singleton on it at this time, just because I fear they would approach it the way they do so many other films that I have hated. But I could be wrong. I wonder how many fans of "The Dark Knight" were also fans of "Memento"?

[terry78]

If they must go with a white director, I'd go wiht Neil Blomkamp, the south african guy that did District 9 and all the indie shorts. Though South Africa is its own entity, from interviews I can tell he has an inkling of what the rest of the continent deals with to an extent.

[E-Man]

"Sal & Bob"?:huh:


I am referring to penciler Sal Velluto and inker Bob Almond that served in their roles for much of the Priest series. When they took over the costume only took a slight variation from what Mark Texeira designed. You av is filled with images form them. Here's a good look at one.

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The slight variation comes in the form of the necklace around the cloak. I think this is the best Panther costume we've seen, though I wouldn't mind the classic look that Hudlin went back to. I hope they use the short cape more though. I'm a fan of the short cape, since it looks regal.

Either way I want them to make use of the vibranium mesh in his costume. There could be some really good visuals with that. It was cool to see a thung try to stab BP, only to see his knife break. That would look awesome on screen.

[sabetoonth]

Honestly, I want him in spandex. SOmething along the lines of Spider-Man's or the FF's material. I really hope they don't put him in rubber or leather, or some ridiculous armor-looking suit.
i thought of the material being used as a vibranium coated fabric, similar to the spiey and ff costumes but unique in the vibranium, color, and design

[chiefchirpa]

No need for the cloak/cape, it's gonna be motion restrictive for the actor and that's an unnecessary cost to make.

[Chris Wallace]

I am referring to penciler Sal Velluto and inker Bob Almond that served in their roles for much of the Priest series. When they took over the costume only took a slight variation from what Mark Texeira designed. You av is filled with images form them. Here's a good look at one.

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp228/messiahsjedi/Marvel%20Comics%20Universe/Marvel%20Universe%20Heroes/blackpanther.jpg

The slight variation comes in the form of the necklace around the cloak. I think this is the best Panther costume we've seen, though I wouldn't mind the classic look that Hudlin went back to. I hope they use the short cape more though. I'm a fan of the short cape, since it looks regal.

Either way I want them to make use of the vibranium mesh in his costume. There could be some really good visuals with that. It was cool to see a thung try to stab BP, only to see his knife break. That would look awesome on screen.

Okay. Now I get you. Your suggestions are close to what I want, but I want the cat's head medallion in lieu of that plain circle thing. And there's got to be a way to treat the fabric to create the illusion that it's something more than spandex, so they can sell the vibranium mesh claim.
As for the cape, chiefchirpa, I wouldn't ditch it altogether but I don't see a need for him to wear it all the time.

[E-Man]

No need for the cloak/cape, it's gonna be motion restrictive for the actor and that's an unnecessary cost to make.

The cloak would look bad ass at a UN or Wakandan Parliament meeting. I would love to see him walk into the UN headquarters, and somebody tells him that costumes aren't allowed. T'Challa could respond with something great like, "This isn't a costume, it's a regal cultural garment. This is no more a costume than what the pope wears."

[sabetoonth]

i like it! the line would be great for some chuckles, my asshle brother read it and he chuckled

[Blackman]

then some Catholic mother would complain.....

[RockSP]

No need for the cloak/cape, it's gonna be motion restrictive for the actor and that's an unnecessary cost to make.

Agreed...plus those Batman comparisons would just be that much more intense with it.

[sabetoonth]

i dont care and im catholic, and if they got a problem, than they can just not go see the movie.

[Blackman]

tell that to all the ppl who complain about Harry Potter, and all things that are "bad for kids"

[sabetoonth]

what aout that are bad for kids? other than running around throwing concentrations of energy

[Blackman]

idk ask them. Witchcraft is offensive to many Christians.
IU'm Christian and I dont find it offensive but some ppl do

[sabetoonth]

probably people who think comuters and cars are evil, crazy people out there. to see bp doing some political or diplomnatic missions i think would be cool, like t'challa visiting a countries leader about a mutual problem etc

[Golgo-13]

The French Parkour practitioner 'Sebastien Foucan' from Casino Royale has a good look for BP. See, i really don't want an African American playing an African (and yes i know Foucan is french). I can't speak for other races but most African American can tell when a person is African, or is an AA. There's slight differences with the features. Maybe we all look alike to other races, but we'll know the difference. Back to Foucan; he has the athleticism, that's needed for BP but probably not the acting chops for it. I'd also like to see a little parkour incorporated into the movie.

Just throwing it out there.....

[sabetoonth]

parkour would be cool if executed properly, and i see laurence fishboune, or phil lamar doing bp, i dont know why lamar, since hes not very athletic, though his voice really conveys regalness, he voiced bp in mua, maybe if he packed on some muscle tone and did some cardio

[Chris Wallace]

The cloak would look bad ass at a UN or Wakandan Parliament meeting. I would love to see him walk into the UN headquarters, and somebody tells him that costumes aren't allowed. T'Challa could respond with something great like, "This isn't a costume, it's a regal cultural garment. This is no more a costume than what the pope wears."

I like that. I really do.
I'm a little frustrated, though, that this thread is nothing but speculation & suggestions. Without any real news from Marvel, we have no real reason to believe this movie's gonna see the light of day any time soon.

[E-Man]

I like that. I really do.
I'm a little frustrated, though, that this thread is nothing but speculation & suggestions. Without any real news from Marvel, we have no real reason to believe this movie's gonna see the light of day any time soon.

Thus is the life of a Panther fanboy like myself. All I have is the speculation to keep me occupied for now until the series hits or a release date, cast, and crew are announced for a movie.

[chiefchirpa]

The cloak would look bad ass at a UN or Wakandan Parliament meeting. I would love to see him walk into the UN headquarters, and somebody tells him that costumes aren't allowed. T'Challa could respond with something great like, "This isn't a costume, it's a regal cultural garment. This is no more a costume than what the pope wears."

Okay with cape for ceremonial thing, but when the action comes that cape must go. I'm looking for a sleek athletic moves allowed by the costume and I'm not gonna take another non-fluid Keysi moves.

[RockSP]

Okay with cape for ceremonial thing, but when the action comes that cape must go.

Agreed (once again).

[Hypestyle]

more cape action, more of the time.. he can hide gadgets in there.. :cwink:

[Chris Wallace]

more cape action, more of the time.. he can hide gadgets in there.. :cwink:

Which would be great...if we were talking about BATMAN.

[Chris Wallace]

Thus is the life of a Panther fanboy like myself. All I have is the speculation to keep me occupied for now until the series hits or a release date, cast, and crew are announced for a movie.

You have looked at my avatar, right?

[E-Man]

You have looked at my avatar, right?

All the time bro. It's the best I've seen because it features my favorite character prominently.:up:

[Blackman]

Throwing a new name in for T'Challa
Aldis Hodge.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/People/castcrew_hodge.png

I know him from his brief stints on Friday Night Lights and Supernatural, but he also is one of the main cast members of TNT's show Leverage

He has a slight southern drawl, but if he can get a good African accent down and bulk up I think he could be good. hes my 2nd choice

[Chris Wallace]

I reserve judgement on that suggestion as I am not familiar with him at all. But at first glance I don't see anything particularly commanding or regal about him.

[Chewy]

With all of the attention heaped on "Iron Man 2 (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/iron-man-2)," "Thor (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/thor)," "The First Avenger: Captain America (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/the-first-avenger-captain-america)" and Marvel's superhero team-up film "The Avengers (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/the-avengers)," it's easy to forget about some of the other characters in the Marvel Universe rumored to have big-screen projects in the works. When we spoke to "Lost" actor Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje during a Comic-Con red carpet he told MTV News that he's been talking to Marvel about bringing one of those lesser-known characters to the screen -- specifically, the African warrior-king known as The Black Panther.

"We're talking to Marvel about 'Black Panther,'" Akinnuoye-Agbaje told MTV News. "This is the first round, so you know, hopefully they'll look at 'G.I. Joe' and see the potential. But it's about time we have a black superhero, isn't it?"

Akinnuoye-Agbaje said his hopes were high for the film, and the conditions were never better for it to get the green light.

"He's from a fictional village in Africa and the timing is so right for that kind of character to come through," he said. "And while I'm in my prime, this is the time. We've got [U.S. President Barack] Obama, now we need something on screen to represent, so... 'Panther,' man."SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/07/26/exclusive-lost-actor-adewale-akinnuoye-agbaje-in-talks-for-black-panther-lead/)

[terry78]

Well, I'm glad to see dude is enthused about it. Does he fit the look though is the question.

[E-Man]

SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/07/26/exclusive-lost-actor-adewale-akinnuoye-agbaje-in-talks-for-black-panther-lead/)

It's good to hear someone championing a BP movie. A good thing about Adewale Akinnoye-Agbaje is that he's been in two popular shows(Lost and Oz) so he isn't an unknown. I don't know what the chances are of him being in the movie, much less get it made, but I'm glad someone is talking about it.

[terry78]

I know with this type of flick you need a well known, and there aren't that many well known native African actors here in the states. So they'll probably have to go with a black dude from the UK or something or whatever, because we got a very small pool over here and they're all TOO well known.

[E-Man]

Yeah they are. If someone thinks African male for a movie, Djimon Hounsou and AAA are the only two that come to mind.

[Aesop Rocks]

AAA would be PERFECT for it.

[Red Mask]

If they want anything done, they have to do it themselves. Good luck to him!

[Chris Wallace]

I'm reserving judgement.

[terry78]

I really suspect Idris Elba is gonna be offered this role. I seriously am. He's on the radar as of late, especially for his stint on The Office and Obsessed. The Wire role people knew, but he wasn't broadcast like the first two.

[E-Man]

I really suspect Idris Elba is gonna be offered this role. I seriously am. He's on the radar as of late, especially for his stint on The Office and Obsessed. The Wire role people knew, but he wasn't broadcast like the first two.

I think so too. Hounsou will be thought of first, but then they'll say he's too old. Ejiofor will be approached first, but they'll be weary about his bank ability. That's when Elba will be the front runner. Whether he takes the role or not is the next question.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje is a terrible choice for T'Challa. He has absolutely nothing in common with the character sans his skin color. :whatever: If they cast him I'd revolt almost as badly as I did initally with Jessica Alba as Invisible Woman. Just...no. No x 1,000,000.

Idris is meh, but I would live with it. He just seems so...I dunno...OBVIOUS.

Hounsou is the ONLY viable choice that truly captures the character. And he is not aging at all it seems--the guy is as fit and wrinkle-free as he was when he did Amistad. Besides, he has a lot more star power and bankability than Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Elba COMBINED. If memory serves, Djimon is an Academy Award-nominated actor with serious range.

[Red Mask]

Right now there is no Black Panther movie. So if anybody can get the ball rolling kudos to him.

[chiefchirpa]

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje is a terrible choice for T'Challa. He has absolutely nothing in common with the character sans his skin color. :whatever: If they cast him I'd revolt almost as badly as I did initally with Jessica Alba as Invisible Woman. Just...no. No x 1,000,000.

Idris is meh, but I would live with it. He just seems so...I dunno...OBVIOUS.

Hounsou is the ONLY viable choice that truly captures the character. And he is not aging at all it seems--the guy is as fit and wrinkle-free as he was when he did Amistad. Besides, he has a lot more star power and bankability than Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Elba COMBINED. If memory serves, Djimon is an Academy Award-nominated actor with serious range.

Adewale is not handsome and couldn't carry an unknown franchise, I'll give you that.

Hounsou on the other hand, is old. He was first proposed as T'Challa like about 3-4 years ago. Now Black Panther the movie at the soonest will be go into production 2 years from now. My point is please adjust your casting because 2-3 years from now it's certainly not the same as 6-7 years before. In the same manner of people proposing Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, you got to adjust the casting as the years moved. Besides Hounsou seem intent to become Thulsa Doom and has become BP in the animated series, he's still going to be a busy man.

Idris is fine. Emerging UK actor, but himself is not that young (b. 1972) anymore. At least he's much younger than Hounsou (b. 1964).

[E-Man]

People think Lucy Lawless should be Wonder Woman? She's well past her prime now.

[cerealkiller182]

Age shouldnt be that much of a factor, especially because djimon is hardly built like your average 40 something

[chiefchirpa]

Age is a factor. BP ain't gonna be made until 2 years at the soonest & they might want to consider at least a sequel. 30-40 is a perfect age range, but 45-50 is not what I call a perfect casting.

[cerealkiller182]

Djimon is more than capable at performing the role. Thats all that matters.