The Official Captain America Thread

[Darthphere]

What the? She's not a midget at all. Darthphere lies! :cmad:

I never said she was asswipe, you ASSumed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Speaking of asses, hers is nice. She's so kind to show it off so prominently in that pic.

[Darthphere]

She does that from time to time, CORP TO THE GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH!!!!

[3dman27]

http://www.crazyass13.com/wp-content/StacyKeibler.jpg

imagine her as agent 13

[KangConquers]

imagine her as agent 13

I imagine really bad acting and no killer edge...

Now imagine her pregnant with my child; slightly more exciting no?

[Darthphere]

imagine her as agent 13

I can, and then I realized I've never seen her act, well outside of wrestling.


OH SNAP! SPOONS GO OWN3D!

[3dman27]

i respectfully decline to comment on that

[TheCorpulent1]

So she is a wrestling ho?

[KangConquers]

So she is a wrestling ho?


Nah; one of the major networks bought out her contract. Now she just goes places and is hot...that's like literally her job...to go to red carpet events and be hot.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I could do that.

[TheCorpulent1]

You could not.

[KangConquers]

You could not.

You just don't like him cause he's not a naked horny squirrel.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Word. Corp is into teh squirrel love.

[TheCorpulent1]

Shut up. You don't understand the beauty of what those squirrels have! :cmad:

[KangConquers]

Shut up. You don't understand the beauty of what those squirrels have! :cmad:

Squirrels are creepy.

I used to sit in the park and play guitar and they'd come upto me and sit and listen. It made me feel very self-conscious.

[GNR]

Even after Thor #3, I'd probably still get a kick out of seeing that. :up:

Same here,a big 3 reunion would be cool,even if it's one of those "forced to fight side by side" things.Could be possible with all the Skrull crap coming up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Squirrels are creepy.

I used to sit in the park and play guitar and they'd come upto me and sit and listen. It made me feel very self-conscious.
Ha, that's awesome. A squirrel dropped a nut on my head while I was walking across campus once.

[Anubis]

You were walking?!?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. To class. It's not like it was for fun or anything. :o

[KangConquers]

Ha, that's awesome. A squirrel dropped a nut on my head while I was walking across campus once.

I felt like a Disney princess.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I felt like a Disney princess.

Disney princesses are teh sexy.

[TheCorpulent1]

OMG, Upset Spideyfan has a crush on KangConquers, pass it on!

[Upset Spideyfan]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/fcolunga/hit%20it/hit-it-two-times.jpg

[Spider-Gamer]

So we can go slightly off topic here, but not in the video games fourm.... riiiiiiight. :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, don't bring the gaming troubles over here, dude. We're happy in our little cesspool. :cmad:

[Spider-Gamer]

Hey, don't bring the gaming troubles over here, dude. We're happy in our little cesspool. :cmad:

Hehe I know. I love the comics fourm to much to see it go or something like that. I don't post here often and lurk to much because I collect comics through TPB's and Hardcovers so it's hard to keep up because once I read a story all of you are already an issue or two into another one! :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'd quit the Hype if they shut down the comic forums. They're my primary reason for being here.

I recommend the Captain America Omnibus, if you haven't got that already. It'll go a long way toward catching you up to what we're talking about in this thread. :)

[KangConquers]

Disney princesses are teh sexy.

Except I have facial hair.
and body hair.
and a penis.
and a bass voice.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'll adapt.

[KangConquers]

I'll adapt.

I look kind of like a fat Matthew McCaughahey on downers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Except I have facial hair.
and body hair.
and a penis.
and a bass voice.
Penises can be sexy, you feminazi. :o

[Spider-Gamer]

Yeah, I'd quit the Hype if they shut down the comic forums. They're my primary reason for being here.

I recommend the Captain America Omnibus, if you haven't got that already. It'll go a long way toward catching you up to what we're talking about in this thread. :)

I don't have that yet, but I have read the Death of Captain America Vol. 1 and was actually shocked how awesome it was. I heard it was great, but nothing beats sitting down and reading it for yourself.

[KangConquers]

Penises can be sexy, you feminazi. :o

You think Spiney Squirrel tails are sexy...and don't give me that bull**** about them being bushy; if you shoot a squirrel with a supersoaker, the water goes right through its tail.

[KangConquers]

I don't have that yet, but I have read the Death of Captain America Vol. 1 and was actually shocked how awesome it was. I heard it was great, but nothing beats sitting down and reading it for yourself.

I recommend anyone who hasn't read 1-25 over the course of a weekend...it builds up so amazingly.

[Spider-Gamer]

I recommend anyone who hasn't read 1-25 over the course of a weekend...it builds up so amazingly.

Oh! I also failed to mention I read the Captian America Civil War paperback. My bad!

[Upset Spideyfan]

I look kind of like a fat Matthew McCaughahey on downers.

I'm accepting.

[KangConquers]

I'm accepting.

Is that you busting on my window on a ladder? This isn't Clarissa explains it all...:wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have that yet, but I have read the Death of Captain America Vol. 1 and was actually shocked how awesome it was. I heard it was great, but nothing beats sitting down and reading it for yourself.
I recommend anyone who hasn't read 1-25 over the course of a weekend...it builds up so amazingly.
:up: Brubaker's entire run has been phenomenal.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Is that you busting on my window on a ladder? This isn't Clarissa explains it all...:wow:

Her friend was so gay. On account of never getting some.

[TheCorpulent1]

He so clearly wanted to tap Clarissa's ass, too. Poor bastard. :(

[KangConquers]

She was like this:

http://www.melissa-joan-hart.org/melissa_joan_hart_25.jpg
"Take me Sam!!!!"

and he was like this:

http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/ralphnose.jpg

[Upset Spideyfan]

He'll probably die a virgin.

[Darthphere]

No, he won't.

[KangConquers]

He'll probably die a virgin.

He won't be the only one. :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he won't.
Darthphere knows this for certain after that one, passionate night...

[Upset Spideyfan]

Captain America would be disappointed with the direction that this thread has taken.

[Darthphere]

Darthphere knows this for certain after that one, passionate night...

Let's just say that there was more to Elvis than what you saw.

[KangConquers]

Darthsphere is only 4 PJ :-( always and 4ever

[KangConquers]

Captain America would be disappointed with the direction that this thread has taken.

Captain America is a guy who did hits for the soviet union for 50 years...he's in no position to throw stones.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, 'cause he's dead. But Bucky approves.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Bucky.png

[Spider-Gamer]

Captain America would be disappointed with the direction that this thread has taken.

No he wouldn't. He doesn't even go to Myspace or Youtube. Oh and how can I forget go to a NASCAR race, watched the simpsons, and know who won the last American Idol!

[TheCorpulent1]

Stupid Sally Floyd. Nobody watches NASCAR! :cmad:

[KangConquers]

Yeah, 'cause he's dead. But Bucky approves.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Bucky.png

Bucky isn't Bucky anymore...:cmad:

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2469_images/1012071223_M_CaptainAmericaEpting.jpg

He's Captain A-****ing-merica dammit!

[Upset Spideyfan]

Stupid Sally Floyd. Nobody watches NASCAR! :cmad:

Nobody but... THE RED SKULL!

Its how he managed to kill Steve after all these years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Curse his infernal, esoteric NASCAR secrets!
Bucky isn't Bucky anymore...:cmad:

He's Captain A-****ing-merica dammit!
He'll always be Bucky to me. :o

[KangConquers]

Curse his infernal, esoteric NASCAR secrets!

He'll always be Bucky to me. :o

:csad: He's Captain America dammit!!!

[Upset Spideyfan]

Until Steve comes back...

[KangConquers]

Until Steve comes back...

Steve isn't coming back.

[Spider-Gamer]

Until Steve comes back...

A tale of two Caps?

[Upset Spideyfan]

OMG! Old Cap vs New Cap! It'll probably sell like a million issues!!111!

Steve isn't coming back.

Bah. He's probably already managed to figured a system to get oxygen into his coffin and is about to start work on his escape tunnel.

[KangConquers]

OMG! Old Cap vs New Cap! It'll probably sell like a million issues!!111!



Bah. He's probably already managed to figured a system to get oxygen into his coffin and is about to start work on his escape tunnel.

Steve probably won't be back until at least 2009. AT LEAST. I'm personally hoping Steve doesn't come back until about 2011. Give Bucky a chance to shine.

[Spider-Gamer]

Steve probably won't be back until at least 2009. AT LEAST. I'm personally hoping Steve doesn't come back until about 2011. Give Bucky a chance to shine.

Shine as brightly like his costume as drawn by Alex Ross? :cwink:

[KangConquers]

Shine as brightly like his costume as drawn by Alex Ross? :cwink:

:whatever:

[Spider-Gamer]

:whatever:

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Ross needs to tone the shiny crap down. His costume's metal, we get it. He's not the ****ing T-1000 over here.

[KangConquers]

Ross needs to tone the shiny crap down. His costume's metal, we get it. He's not the ****ing T-1000 over here.

What would you have? Squirrel fur?

[TheCorpulent1]

If anyone could find a way to work it in, it's Epting. :up:

[Dread]

If anyone could find a way to work it in, it's Epting. :up:

Epting really makes that Ross costume workable.

I almost dread when another artist will eventually have to render it, though.

[GNR]

Even though plans are unfolding,I still get that sense of uncertainty and unpredictability with this book month in and out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Epting really makes that Ross costume workable.

I almost dread when another artist will eventually have to render it, though.
Guice is drawing it next issue. I think he'll do a good job with it.

[Dread]

Even though plans are unfolding,I still get that sense of uncertainty and unpredictability with this book month in and out.

Unpredictability is a plus with a good writer.

Guice is drawing it next issue. I think he'll do a good job with it.

Oh, well, Guice is part of the team now, taking up after Perkins. I think he'll do well, too. I meant other artists in other books when New Cap inevitably guests somewhere.

[DoomRulz]

So Marvel sent me two copies of Cap #34, which aggravated the hell outta me b/c I thought one of em was the variant cover but it wasn't...*tear*:csad:...I actually got my hopes up for a few seconds...

Anyway, the issue itself was great. The splash page with Bucky throwing the shield was awesome, Hydra was pwned like crazy, and that ending...DAMN! Was not expecting that at all.

And ya, put me down for a Thor/Bucky meeting as well.

[KangConquers]

Ugh...#34 makes me wish Cap was 3 times a month...though it would suffer then..

I just want like 150 pages of Cap a month :-(

[chamber-music]

Caps alive and haning out with HoHan
http://i30.tinypic.com/10xa6ol.jpg

[Anubis]

Took time off to get back in touch with the stuff America values I see. :o

[chamber-music]

His foiling Red Skulls latest henchwoman Firecrotch

[TheCorpulent1]

Took time off to get back in touch with the stuff America values I see. :o
I don't see a laptop allowing him to access MySpace there. :o

[Anubis]

Baby steps, Baby steps.

[fifthfiend]

Bucky isn't Bucky anymore...:cmad:

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2469_images/1012071223_M_CaptainAmericaEpting.jpg

He's Captain A-****ing-merica dammit!

I have made up my mind, the new uniform looks stupid.

Is there some reason Cap needs a red-and-white arrow pointing to his crotch? I mean, really?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, there is a reason. It's called "Alex Ross is a bad designer."

[Anubis]

But Epting can somehow make gold outta s**t.

[The Geek Vault]

Alright guys question. I just got Cap. A #34, just to see Bucky don the Cap A suit. Now that Spider-fake is out 3 times a month I'm stopping my subscription, so it's switch to this or switch to Astonishing X-men?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Alright guys question. I just got Cap. A #34, just to see Bucky don the Cap A suit. Now that Spider-fake is out 3 times a month I'm stopping my subscription, so it's switch to this or switch to Astonishing X-men?
get both.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think his goal is to stick to buying just one issue per month in that slot.

I'd recommend you go with Captain America, marvelman. It comes out a hell of a lot more frequently than Astonishing X-Men, and it's a better comic than AXM, to boot.
But Epting can somehow make gold outta s**t.
I still don't like it when Epting draws it. I like it more, but I don't think it's good. Ross could've at least given him red boots to balance out the colors.

[Anubis]

Black with Red boots? Nah, that seems too.....Wonderman.

[GNR]

I like the black boots.

[Anubis]

They work. Maybe the whole thing should have been dark blue. I've seen Cap costumes that were that deep Navy Blue instead.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think his goal is to stick to buying just one issue per month in that slot.

I'd recommend you go with Captain America, marvelman. It comes out a hell of a lot more frequently than Astonishing X-Men, and it's a better comic than AXM, to boot.

AXM's getting a new creative team close to the summer though. Hopefully the writing'll be better and it'll ship regularly now :up:

[Anubis]

It's Ellis right? Pfft, don't count on it.

[GNR]

I'd rather have Ellis go nuts on more Thunderbolts rather than move to that overrated book.

[fifthfiend]

I still wish he was writing Nextwave.

*ducks*

[RockSP]

*throws another (whatever you were ducking from) at fifthfiend*

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Ellis should leave Marvel and never come back, and then he and Cassaday should finish Planetary. :up:

[RockSP]

I like Ellis for the most part...but Nextwave sucked.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, it did. Lots.

[chamber-music]

Yeah, Ellis should leave Marvel and never come back, and then he and Cassaday should finish Planetary. :up:

Well they did kind of finish planetary. Anyway Ellis said he lost intrest in it anyway. Which is kinda lame seeming as its one of his best works.

[TheCorpulent1]

They said there was one more issue to go. The "ending" in the last issue they released sucked. There has to be more.

[CaptainCanada]

There's one more issue; Ellis has already written it; it's just sitting there waiting for Cassaday to draw it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Effin' Cassaday. :cmad:

[CaptainCanada]

Preview of next week's issue:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13072

Ah, so that's what Falcon's up to. I like that Brubaker is getting some use of out of his objectively pretty useless superpower that is almost never brought up.

So I assume the Skull is planning to make this Senator Wright fellow President (especially given the cover to #38).

Following the topical references to the economy, we now get a tip of the hat to Blackwater and the like.

[LemonSunday]

Hell yeah! Butch Guice gets an issue all to himself. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Excellent. Excellent.

Those translucent wings the Falcon's got look cooler every time I see them. They're, like, the only thing I liked about Captain America & the Falcon. :)

[LemonSunday]

I love that Guice remembers to draw Sam's glove-thingie for his falcon. A lot of artists forget to add it.

[TheCorpulent1]

It reminds me of Mysterio's costume. I don't mind when it's not there, though. Birds of prey can perch on regular-looking, thick gloves, based on some Discovery shows I've seen.

[LemonSunday]

Yeah, but I like that Guice shows you that Sam's got a special glove just for that.

[TheCorpulent1]

That looks like Mysterio's glove, no less.

[LemonSunday]

I'm not complaining. It's Butch Guice.

[TheCorpulent1]

No one should ever complain about Butch Guice. It's anathema.

[LemonSunday]

Why he doesn't have a regular gig on an ongoing book, I'll never know.

[Sparta*]

Wow...I love most of Ross' work...but that "Captain America" costume is just wretched

[CaptainCanada]

It doesn't look great when Ross draws it, but the Epting/Guice/D'Armata version looks great (that said, I'll be curious to see how other, more traditional superhero artists approach it).

[GNR]

to be fair,the suit wasn't ALL Ross' idea

I like me the Guice

[Dread]

Preview of next week's issue:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13072

Ah, so that's what Falcon's up to. I like that Brubaker is getting some use of out of his objectively pretty useless superpower that is almost never brought up.

So I assume the Skull is planning to make this Senator Wright fellow President (especially given the cover to #38).

Following the topical references to the economy, we now get a tip of the hat to Blackwater and the like.

That is a good preview. I like how Brubaker handles Falcon, too. I like how these seems to be a little bit of a team between Falcon, Widow, and Bucky.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why he doesn't have a regular gig on an ongoing book, I'll never know.
Speed, I'm guessing. He was the regular artist on Aquaman when they first swapped Aquaman for the Aquanewb, but he had a couple fill-ins, then he was down to just covers after about 8 or 9 issues.

[LemonSunday]

Speed, I'm guessing.

That's why God invented lead time. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but that doesn't seem to work too well with... um, any comic artists at the big two, to be honest.

[LemonSunday]

Most of the time, that's not the artist's fault. Lead time will be scheduled, and when the first couple of issues are done, the publisher gets over zealous and bumps up the release dates.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dumb publishers. :o Anyway, if Guice could handle at least 8 issues of a monthly per year with lead time and fill-ins on the remaining 4, I'd say go for it. I'd love to see him take over on Iron Man. As great as De La Torre's art has gotten, I'd still take Guice.

[LemonSunday]

Yeah, Guice did some killer fill-in work on Iron Man over the last few months.

[GNR]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/000t8th8.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2707.Captain_America%3A_One_Year_Later

More Guice pages to marvel at there

[LemonSunday]

I suspect that cover to #39 has a lot to do with Ross' Avengers/Invaders.

[TheCorpulent1]

S'what I figure. It seems way too early for Brubaker to be bringing Steve back.

[kguillou]

I thought that they promised that Steve Rogers was dead for good?

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, sure.

[LemonSunday]

Someone thought Steve was dead for good?

[moraldeficiency]

I thought that they promised that Steve Rogers was dead for good?

I have this great bridge, and cause I like you, I'll sell it cheap.

[Red]

I suspect that cover to #39 has a lot to do with Ross' Avengers/Invaders.

Looks to me like it plays into Skulls plans. The other Cap is just a pawn, used maybe to discredit Bucky.

[LemonSunday]

Looks to me like it plays into Skulls plans. The other Cap is just a pawn, used maybe to discredit Bucky.

Yeah, that too. :oldrazz:

[CaptainCanada]

Going solely by the cover, he's got the shield too, of which there's only one, so he's either the time-displaced Cap, or some kind of fake (Skrull or Skull, most likely the latter).

[Dread]

Repost:

CAPTAIN AMERICA #35: The "death of Cap" story chugs along, although naturally the Red Skull's plot was going on far longer than that, with Rogers' death almost a detail to it. The ability of Brubaker to include current bits as well as present a slow methodical pace to Lukin/Skull is part of what makes the story so thrilling. There's a part of me that does wonder when and if it will all end, but the other part is satisfied with each issue's offerings and enough happens per 22 pages that I rarely feel cheated. Guice does the solo pencils to give Epting a break and does well, with Perkins actually returning to help with inks.

Basically, Red Skull's plan is to destabilize the U.S. as well as line his ducks in a row, from getting Washington to no longer trust SHIELD to passing out fake bottled water to incite protestors into riots, all as distractions for his Serpant Squad thingie. Bucky is sent out as Capt. America to try to calm the riot and he is getting the hang of shield-slinging, even if he had to toss out a sleeping-gas bomb to stem some of the tide. Natasha helps him figure out that Kronas is behind everything and that gets him right in the middle of a fight with Sin, Eel, Cobra, and the rest of the mooks. The issue starts off with a great usage of Falcon's "talks to birds" ability as well as notes how Faustus even has politicians in his pocket. The notion that our enemies are cunning enough to be able to manipulate our media and politicians as easily as a fiddler on a fiddle is one of those "disturbing because it is likely" sort of deals. Guice draws the action incredibly well with some "ouch, that really hurt!" sort of kicks from New Cap. And while that Ross costume is hardly terrific, I am getting used to seeing Epting & Guice draw it.

Bucky is still settling into his role as Cap and while there is at least one "What would Steve Do?" bit every issue thus far, it is what is expected with legacy heroes and Cap especially was one of those shining examples that many heroes can only be in awe of what he seemed to accomplish effortlessly. Even if they may not know that it was not always so effortless for Steve either, and it was that will to work at it, improve, never say die, that sort of thing that helped it along. There are those who naturally dislike that Brubaker's basically made his boyhood hero into Cap but I like Bucky now so that is fine with me. Poor Sharon Carter also wakes up to find Zola the Gyno ready to operate, which has to be nearly as horrifying as being written in NEW AVENGERS. Speaking of Avengers, if Brubaker wanted to write a team with New Cap, Iron Man, Falcon, and Black Widow on it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. In a way that is what goes on here, with them supporting Buck and all being written well. There isn't much more that can still be said; this is the best run the franchise has had and the parties involved don't want to even consider leaving until maybe 2010. Splendid.

[TheCorpulent1]

Going solely by the cover, he's got the shield too, of which there's only one, so he's either the time-displaced Cap, or some kind of fake (Skrull or Skull, most likely the latter).
There've been loads of duplicate shields made. I'm leaning more toward Skrull now, myself. I think Avengers/Invaders is meant to be more of a self-contained thing.

[LemonSunday]

There've been loads of duplicate shields made. I'm leaning more toward Skrull now, myself. I think Avengers/Invaders is meant to be more of a self-contained thing.

Something as big as Steve Rogers coming back to the MU shouldn't be self-contained, in my opinion. That should be explored in the Avengers and Avengers related books, especially since it's a 12 issue series. On a related note, I'd like to see the guys in The Twelve appear in other books.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really see it as Steve Rogers coming back to the MU, myself. It's Steve from WWII. It's not quite the same as the present-day Steve, with all he's been through, coming back. He's pretty different between the two eras. I'd be okay with it staying contained in the mini, especially since I'm not all that interested in seeing the Invaders come to the present in the first place.

More of the Twelve would always be good. :up:

[LemonSunday]

I don't really see it as Steve Rogers coming back to the MU, myself. It's Steve from WWII. It's not quite the same as the present-day Steve, with all he's been through, coming back. He's pretty different between the two eras. I'd be okay with it staying contained in the mini, especially since I'm not all that interested in seeing the Invaders come to the present in the first place.

More of the Twelve would always be good. :up:

Right, it's not "our" Steve, but it is Steve Rogers. I think there's a lot of story potential in seeing WWII Steve react to Bucky's method's and mentality as the new Cap. Would WWII Steve be more condoning of Bucky's actions? I can guess that our Steve probably wouldn't be too keen on seeing Bucky dressing up like him, running around and shooting people. But WWII Steve used guns as a necessity.

I'm sure it would be off putting for Bucky to have WWII condoning his actions when he knows that that Steve will eventually evolve over time and become the man he was when he was killed.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think even modern Steve would have a problem with it once he realizes that Bucky's only wounding, not killing. Bucky's methods may be different, but he's trying to uphold the same values as Steve, and I think Steve would see that.

WWII Steve would probably be more comfortable with the gun, but I think he'd have a rough time wrapping his head around the fact that Bucky is even there, aged to just a fraction of what he should be, and carrying on Steve's legacy. It would definitely be interesting to see. But that's just Steve; I'm still not that excited for the whole Invaders coming, unless WWII Bucky is included among them. Now that'd be an interesting meeting for present Bucky. :)

[LemonSunday]

I don't think even modern Steve would have a problem with it once he realizes that Bucky's only wounding, not killing. Bucky's methods may be different, but he's trying to uphold the same values as Steve, and I think Steve would see that.

Yeah, but I also think Steve, being someone with a more than feeble understanding of guns and bullets, would see the problem with having someone dressed up as Captain America using guns. Cap's a symbol of the American people. What does that say about the American ideal? Does that send a message to children? Not to mention the sort of potentially lethal accidents that can arise from using a weapon like that. I think our Cap would most certainly have a problem with another Captain America using guns on American soil against American citizens.

WWII Steve would probably be more comfortable with the gun, but I think he'd have a rough time wrapping his head around the fact that Bucky is even there, aged to just a fraction of what he should be, and carrying on Steve's legacy. It would definitely be interesting to see. But that's just Steve; I'm still not that excited for the whole Invaders coming, unless WWII Bucky is included among them. Now that'd be an interesting meeting for present Bucky. :)

WWII Bucky is coming back. I wonder how Steve learning about Bucky's "death" with the spyplane explosion would affect history if he returns to his proper time with that knowledge.

[Dread]

Newsarama changes their CA recap title, but only slightly:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=148850

Good lord, it is obnoxious. We get the hint.

Naturally, more solid Bru commentary.

[CaptainCanada]

So from that interview, it looks like the Skrull and Avengers/Invaders theories are out concerning the identity of the Cap on the cover of #39.

[Dread]

So from that interview, it looks like the Skrull and Avengers/Invaders theories are out concerning the identity of the Cap on the cover of #39.

Which is good. The story IS in too deep to really get distracted by flavor-of-the-year events, and I like where Brubaker is going. Naturally as his book is a Top 20 hit with critical acclaim, I doubt he has a lot of editorial guff breathing down his neck for now.

[GNR]

Red Skull is going to have a Cap of his own running around to discredit gun toting Bucky.

He's been going on about some "body" or something for a while,but we haven't seen what this body exactly is I think.

[Dread]

Red Skull is going to have a Cap of his own running around to discredit gun toting Bucky.

He's been going on about some "body" or something for a while,but we haven't seen what this body exactly is I think.

Yeah, that's my theory.

Maybe they're going to rip out Sharon's fetus and then speed-grow it via whatever time device they got from Dr. Doom to shove a brainwashed version of Steve's son out as "their" Captain America. Granted, that seems a bit complicated, and vile.

[RockSP]

Granted, that seems a bit complicated, and vile.

If Skull is one thing, it's vile.

But that is basically the origin of Vulcan you just gave. Hopefully Brubaker won't repeat himself so blatantly.

[CaptainCanada]

Maybe they're going to rip out Sharon's fetus and then speed-grow it via whatever time device they got from Dr. Doom to shove a brainwashed version of Steve's son out as "their" Captain America. Granted, that seems a bit complicated, and vile.
Seems a bit 'out there' for a fairly grounded series (of course, the Skull's plan already has a time machine).

[Dread]

If Skull is one thing, it's vile.

But that is basically the origin of Vulcan you just gave. Hopefully Brubaker won't repeat himself so blatantly.

Hmm, you're right. I hadn't realized, but it really is. Granted, Vulcan didn't work because it was yet another massive X-Retcon and he failed as a character. If done here it isn't a retcon and the kid acts more like a plot device which can work in the short term. But I agree the theory is outlandish.

Seems a bit 'out there' for a fairly grounded series (of course, the Skull's plan already has a time machine).

Exactly.

Of course, they could just CLONE Steve and go from there. Or have Zola create some sort of soldier.

[Blader5489]

Exactly.

Of course, they could just CLONE Steve and go from there. Or have Zola create some sort of soldier.

Or he could, you know...use his TIME MACHINE. :oldrazz:

My guess: the Skull use Doom's time machine to travel in the future, abduct Sharon's kid (who's all grown up at this point), brings him back to the past, brainwashes him into thinking Bucky or whoever killed his father, and then sets him loose.

[T'Jai]

Skull and Zola have already cloned steve multiple times including putting Schmidt's mind in a Cap clone for a goodly number of issues...

[GNR]

Yeah, that's my theory.

Maybe they're going to rip out Sharon's fetus and then speed-grow it via whatever time device they got from Dr. Doom to shove a brainwashed version of Steve's son out as "their" Captain America. Granted, that seems a bit complicated, and vile.

The whole speed aging thing,along with Bucky's floating arm,are probably the only wonky things I can pick out of Bru's run.He only did speed aging once in the Syn/Bones issue so it isn't so bad.

Oh yea,and Bru's constant use of "damn it to hell" gets pretty annoying.

[xisaacx]

wait newsarama just said cap is dead at the bottom of the atlantic ocean
so who the **** is the cap that got shot on the courthouse steps? wtf

[Blader5489]

wait newsarama just said cap is dead at the bottom of the atlantic ocean
so who the **** is the cap that got shot on the courthouse steps? wtf

Isn't that where they "buried" Steve's body?

[The Geek Vault]

I really lhope I can pick up the newest cap issues.

[xisaacx]

Isn't that where they "buried" Steve's body?

So they didnt give caps body to namor?

[Anubis]

What? Cap got shot on the steps by a mind controlled Sharon Carter. They then had a big public funeral where they buried him in Washington, which was entirely for show. What they really did was gave his body to Namor to bury under the sea so some douche bag doesn't steal the body or anything.

[CaptainCanada]

http://media.comics.ign.com/media/739/739321/img_5358560.html

Preview of #36.

The "what's the costume made of" debate gets more info, as the costume is apparently bulletproofed, courtesy of Iron Man.

Senator Wright looks like William Devane in some of those panels.

[GNR]

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA/08/Marvel/jeph.html

Loeb and Sale reunite for Captain America:White

[Dread]

Least being bullet-proof makes sense for it being so shiney.

This is, what, the third time James & Crossbones have fought? And yet I like it every time; Brock's hardcore.

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA/08/Marvel/jeph.html

Loeb and Sale reunite for Captain America:White

Freaking awesome. I'm glad that Sale is no longer exclusive to DC, they didn't put his talents to good enough use there and he was wasted. And I'm doubly glad that he's working with Loeb on another Color book.

I've never read anything by Loeb and Sale that wasn't downright amazing :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm probably passing on Cap: White. I like Sale and Cap and all, but it just doesn't really excite me that much.

[GNR]

Can't wait for Cap this week,early reviews have said this one should cause quite a stir.

[Darthphere]

Lots of good Cap news.

[DoomRulz]

My copy of #35 came in the mail today and here's my review:

First things first. I noticed immediately that this wasn't Steve Epting's handywork which isn't a bad thing. Guice is a great penciler and his inks with Perkins, along with D'Armata's colours mesh almost perfectly.

I enjoyed seeing the Falcon return after not having seen him in the last issue and only extremely briefly in #33. I wasn't aware of what purpose his bird served him until I read the opening pages in #35 and truth be told, I thought it was very clever.

Another great issue for Bucky as well since he is starting to realize just what exactly it means to bear his mentor's flag. As he paces, watching the crowd, he thinks to himself how am I going to handle this if a riot breaks out. When the riot does eventually break out, Brubaker's use of short & quick dialogue is splendid. The dialogue helps accentuate Bucky changing into the uniform and again, serves to illustrate Bucky's comprehension of what it means to be Captain America. On the riot itself; Brubaker's use of the child selling the water bottles can be summed up in one word: genius. It's a classic writer's trick; introduce what is seemingly a pointless character or event only to have that character or event transpire into something huge as it turns out the water the child is selling is tainted with a mind-control substance of some sort.

Of course the riot is meant to further the Skull's plans which seems to be wanting to simply destabilize the U.S. because he hates its capitalist ways (how many people are thinking the same thing I wonder). His plan seems to be coming close to fruition with this issue.

The ending is another triumph for Brubaker. Bucky, erm, Cap excuse me confronting Syn and her goons was awesome enough. But seeing Sharon on the operating table in front of Zola well...I'm not kidding when I say I cringed and shuddered. Looking forward to Cap #36.

[GNR]

you got it a month late?

[DoomRulz]

you got it a month late?

Unfortunately yes. I live in Toronto, ON and you'd think my comics wouldn't come so late seeing as how Marvel is located in NY. But not much I can do about it...at least it saves me $$ by subscribing.

[Union Jack]

whens 36 out??

its been great so far..but i am kinda anxious to get steve back tho..

[Blader5489]

whens 36 out??

its been great so far..but i am kinda anxious to get steve back tho..

CA #36 comes out this week.

[GoldenAgeHero]

does anyone think the cap in the original costume in issue 39 is going to be steve?

I sure hope it is.

[Egotastic]

I think it may be Steve, but not "our" Steve. I think it probably ties into that Avengers/Invaders series.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Burbaker has made clear that he doesn't wnat to play with any other events or mkae tie-ins with the cap story.

[Blader5489]

does anyone think the cap in the original costume in issue 39 is going to be steve?

I sure hope it is.

I don't want Steve Rogers coming back. At least not for a few years.

[GNR]

does anyone think the cap in the original costume in issue 39 is going to be steve?

I sure hope it is.

I think it's someone or something in the outfit,sent out by the Red Skull to discredit the "new" Cap aka Buck.

[Red]

If the spoilers for issue #36 are to be believed its a clone of Steve.

[Anubis]

Skull's probably gonna download himself into it, which would in turn become the ultimate pwning of a hero. Well, next to keeping his genitals in a jar by his bed that is. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Except the Skull's already done that once.

[Anubis]

So? Why abandon a good idea just because it didn't work out like you wanted the first time?

[TheCorpulent1]

It did work out the first time, though. He had that cloned body of Cap right up until it was shot at the beginning of Brubaker's run.

[Egotastic]

Burbaker has made clear that he doesn't wnat to play with any other events or mkae tie-ins with the cap story.

He made it clear he's not going to be involved with Secret Invasion. Plus, Ross designed the new costume, so it may be a little of "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." Besides, seeing how Bucky reacts to all that has too much story potential to pass up.

[GoldenAgeHero]

"ross desgned the new costume"...and? that really doesn't mean jack squat.

Im hoping its Steve if not i know Bru will eventually bring him back.....like he did foggy.

[TheCorpulent1]

If Ross designed the costume, tying Captain America into Ross' Avengers/Invaders pet project might be Brubaker's way of saying thanks or doing a quid pro quo.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I doubt it, its plausible. but I aint biting.

Steve Rogers for the win......seriously:( It probably won't be him...but damnit i really miss him.

[CaptainCanada]

Brubaker already said that this is its own story, not related to other things.

[Dread]

I'm kind of hoping it isn't a tie-in...CA works best when it is doing it's own thing.

Considering how well it is selling it would be silly to risk effecting it by shoehorning in a tie-in to a vanity project. I mean, sure CA tied into CW, but Brubaker said it fit, and that was back while the book was struggling in the Top 35-40.

[CaptainCanada]

I mean, sure CA tied into CW
There really wasn't much choice there, given how much CW affected the character.

[GoldenAgeHero]

bru was pissed at mark for that i believe.

[Egotastic]

"ross desgned the new costume"...and? that really doesn't mean jack squat.

Im hoping its Steve if not i know Bru will eventually bring him back.....like he did foggy.

If Ross designed the costume, tying Captain America into Ross' Avengers/Invaders pet project might be Brubaker's way of saying thanks or doing a quid pro quo.

I doubt it, its plausible. but I aint biting.

Steve Rogers for the win......seriously:( It probably won't be him...but damnit i really miss him.

So, first it's utterly ridiculous and now it's plausible, huh? Nice turnaround. :up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

never said it was ridiculous..just it didn't mean jack squat.:)

[Egotastic]

Wow, changing words around. Clever. :whatever:

[RockSP]

"Im hoping its Steve if not i know Bru will eventually bring him back.....like he did foggy.

Foggy was never really dead, though.

[Blader5489]

bru was pissed at mark for that i believe.

I don't think so.

[luke1234]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/lukecloran/avengersposter5.jpg

[Egotastic]

Wow, that Cap sucks something awful.

[The Geek Vault]

Cap and MJ look goofy as frick but it's cool

[RockSP]

Wow, that Cap sucks something awful.

Heh heh.

[luke1234]

thanks guys

[GoldenAgeHero]

Foggy was never really dead, though.

we know that now...inspector gadget.

srsly tho. he appeared dead, his death was even on panel, hell even DD with his senes belived foggy was dead.

now if foggy's apparent death can fool DD's, thats why i believe it can fool wolverine's when he went to make sure cap was really dead.

[RockSP]

I mean we all know Steve is coming back eventually, of course...

[GNR]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/lukecloran/avengersposter5.jpg

Cool idea,except the fact that Spidey will never be an Avenger on screen,thank the gods.It's bad enough he's one in the comics.

Replace him with Thor and it's gold.

[TheCorpulent1]

bru was pissed at mark for that i believe.
I've never heard that. I've heard that Brubaker planned to kill Cap all along and CW gave him a good opportunity to do it, so he kinda sorta tied it in by making it happen during Cap's trial for CW-related crimes.

[GNR]

GAH is talking out his ass as usual.

If anything,Bru and Mark agreed that killing Cap HAD to happen in Cap's book.

[Dread]

Yeah, I thought Brubaker basically said that CW simply helped him push up the storyline he'd already plotted.

Reposting my review of the last issue, with spoilers:

CAPTAIN AMERICA #36: Perkins returns and teams up with Guice to write another installment of one of Marvel's best series right now, the rare title that is selling like it deserves, and to HELL with why. It is written and drawn like a Top 10-20 book and sells there. The new and old pencilers on this volume picked a great issue to team up, as half the comic is all out action as New Cap takes on the Serpent Squad.

I really can't describe the action scenes in text. I've seen better and I have seen worse, but they're paced well and drawn even better. I am a sucker for a good action sequence and Brubaker & his artists, whether they be Epting, Guice, or Perkins, always seem to deliver. New Cap takes on Eel, Sin, King Cobra and Viper and manages to take them all down, before having his 3rd brawl with Crossbones within 12 issues. I actually was curious as to how it would be handled and the creators managed to keep it fresh, and not only because this time it was New Cap, not Winter Soldier. And I like how he fights. No, he isn't Steve, who could take down enemies without needing to shoot or stab them when he got desperate, but James isn't a super soldier and in a way that keeps his black ops feel. Even still, without a "dumb luck" assist from Black Widow, James was FUBAR'd. The way Brubaker handles New Cap, Widow, Stark, and Falcon (even if he wasn't in this issue) almost makes me hate that he is wasting himself on an X-Team book when he could be writing, like, the best Avengers in years. But, maybe in a way that is what this cast is, unofficially, and that is fine.

There is more to it than a fight. Red Skull is bemused as to "New Cap", knowing exactly who it is, SHIELD's rep in the U.S. has taken a hit (I wonder when other books will acknowledge this; if this was NEW AVENGERS it would have been a line wide acceptance by now), and Sharon Carter tries to escape and finds a...interesting body in one of Zola's tanks. Is it THE Steve Rogers, or a clone? Brubaker's claimed he wouldn't dare bring Steve back before "at least issue #50", but it wouldn't be the first time a writer outright lied to protect a storyline. Still, part of me doubts that, because it seems TOO obvious (and I can imagine the Newsarama title: CA #36: Cap is Still Dead?), so I believe that is some Zola creation. Besides, if the Real Cap returned, Bucky would be back to a supporting player and I doubt Brubaker is ready to do that quite yet. His heart is too close to his sleeve on this one.

As usual, it is one of those books, like a good half dozen or so I buy from Marvel, that I can't wait for every month. I came in late, but better late then never. A pleasure every month, and hardly anyone mixes superhero/espionage/political thriller like Brubaker does here. This'll be the run that people talk about for over a generation after it is over.

To add, I like James & Natasha's thing together; Natasha hasn't seemed to have a genuine lover since Daredevil and it would be good to see her move on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and up. 'Cause Bucky's totally better than Dareloser.

I called him Dareloser.

[Dread]

Yeah, and up. 'Cause Bucky's totally better than Dareloser.

I called him Dareloser.

Yeah, he doesn't often talk to a wall for 22 pages like ol' Matt does. ;)

[kguillou]

You know, even though i miss steve rogers, i really really hope marvel and brubaker stick to their guns and leave Steve dead for good. There's soo much potential in this "new" captain america, and brubaker's doing such a good job with it. To ressurect cap, especially this early, would be shameful. If they absolutely HAVE to resurrect steve rogers, they should at least wait 5 years and let Bucky shine before taking it away.

[GoldenAgeHero]

no thanks Steve needs to come back. and brubacker never said anything about steve staying dead for a long time, bru even said he'll probably be abck before issue 50. at least.

[Blader5489]

no thanks Steve needs to come back. and brubacker never said anything about steve staying dead for a long time, bru even said he'll probably be abck before issue 50. at least.

Talking out of your ass again. :whatever:

[cerealkiller182]

You know, even though i miss steve rogers, i really really hope marvel and brubaker stick to their guns and leave Steve dead for good. There's soo much potential in this "new" captain america, and brubaker's doing such a good job with it. To ressurect cap, especially this early, would be shameful. If they absolutely HAVE to resurrect steve rogers, they should at least wait 5 years and let Bucky shine before taking it away.

agreed

[TheCorpulent1]

The current direction's great and all, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Steve's staying dead.

[Darthphere]

He's already back in May with AVENGERS/INVADERS!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh. :o

[RockSP]

The current direction's great and all, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Steve's staying dead.

Basically.

[Darthphere]

Ugh. :o

The super duper maxi pad event of the summer!

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope it absorbs Alex Ross to death. :(

[Darthphere]

I hope it absorbs Alex Ross to death. :(

Probably not. He's like a blood clot.

[cerealkiller182]

Im not saying he will stay dead, im saying he should

[Egotastic]

What are everyone's thoughts as to who or what was floating in that chamber?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it was something that looks just like Steve Rogers.

[cerealkiller182]

What are everyone's thoughts as to who or what was floating in that chamber?

First thought was a cloning attempt, but it could be the old body being tested on or something. It was obviously Steve in some capacity

[Egotastic]

I'm leaning towards clone, myself. It wouldn't be the first time the Skull has "downloaded" himself into a copy of Steve's body. Or, it could actually be the real Steve Rogers, I suppose.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it was the real Steve-O. I'm guessing it's a clone.

[Egotastic]

Well, Steve is coming back at some point....

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but like two or three months after Bucky's taken the mantle? I think it'll be a while yet.

[Egotastic]

Before he comes back? Sure. That doesn't mean we can't see his body.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, it just doesn't seem to connect for me. I think it's far more likely that this is a clone and will be the same person who winds up in the classic Cap costume for that upcoming cover.

[Egotastic]

Probably. Still, we never know...

[TheCorpulent1]

Only Brubaker does. Damn him...

[Egotastic]

If I was a hot woman, I'd find out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Uncomfortable again. :o

[Egotastic]

You're such a prude.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hypothetically morphing into a hot woman, seducing Ed Brubaker, and pumping him for information--figuratively and literally--is gross, dude.

[Egotastic]

So when I get this info, you won't want to hear it, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Let's not be hasty...

[Egotastic]

That's what I thought. You're like a homophobic homosexual.

[TheCorpulent1]

That doesn't even make sense. :huh:

[Egotastic]

Oh, it totally does.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

and the thread has reached an all time low.

[Xofenroht]

Then get high.

[RockSP]

I don't think it was the real Steve-O. I'm guessing it's a clone.

Of course it wasn't the real Steve-O. He's somewhere doing something borderline gay with Johnny Knoxville.

[GoldenAgeHero]

CAP is not a clone nor a Skrull no does the book have anything to do with the invaders run like i said earlier. I love it when I'm right. Now lets see if this is the real cap or maybe a AIM Robot.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=150886

[TheCorpulent1]

Weird. I have no idea where Brubaker's going with the Steve in the tube now. Unless it's really Steve, somehow revivified with more Super Solider Serum, and Brubaker's gonna turn him evil, forcing the whole Cap/Winter Soldier thing to come full circle.

[Egotastic]

I really hope Brubaker's got a planned ending in sight for all of this. Generally, he's a never-ending-story sort of writer. It's all been great so far, though. Also, I want to create a religion based on Epting's art. (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/37/CAP37p15.jpg) Amazing.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's been saying it's a giant mega-story that's all planned out from the start. I believe him. The plot's certainly progressing, and it seems he has an end he's moving toward. It's just taking a long, long time to get there. But I'm okay with that if it stays this good the whole way.

[Egotastic]

It definitely has. I just look at his Daredevil work and how one storylines never seem to end, no matter what the chapter number is (6 of 6, etc), and instead just morph into the next arc.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Brubaker just maps things out more like they did in the old days. He's a very modern writer in terms of the stories he tells, but the way he tells them harkens back to the good old days when serial comics were actually serials and nobody'd heard of "writing for the trade."

[cerealkiller182]

I think Brubaker just maps things out more like they did in the old days. He's a very modern writer in terms of the stories he tells, but the way he tells them harkens back to the good old days when serial comics were actually serials and nobody'd heard of "writing for the trade."

More comics should be written that way

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I miss that style, where one arc ends only for another to pick up on a few threads and carry on into a different direction seamlessly.

[GoldenAgeHero]

In the drawings below thepage in the link. who is that guy that captured Cap's shield and buck is about to greet with his fist?

edit:wait what?! i just looked at the pics again both of them look like each other:huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it might be a metaphorical confrontation between Bucky and his own doubts or something.

[GoldenAgeHero]

that could be it, theres been some of that in Bru's run.....

[CaptainStacy]

You know, even though i miss steve rogers, i really really hope marvel and brubaker stick to their guns and leave Steve dead for good. There's soo much potential in this "new" captain america, and brubaker's doing such a good job with it. To ressurect cap, especially this early, would be shameful. If they absolutely HAVE to resurrect steve rogers, they should at least wait 5 years and let Bucky shine before taking it away.

Would you support a Bucky book if Steve comes back. With Buck as either "New Cap", or going back to Winter Soldier?

I'm enjoying him so much as Cap right now, i'd DEFINITELY make room in my budget for a solo Bucky book...

[CaptainStacy]

What are everyone's thoughts as to who or what was floating in that chamber?

Well, the Skull once cloned Steve, iirc, so maybe it's a clone.

Im HOPING that it's the real deal though. Maybe they somehow switched bodies before Iron Man and Namor and the rest gave Steve his burial at sea...

[CaptainStacy]

BTW; Cup 'O Joe or whatever he's calling it, is now up on myspace....

Joe mentioned an upcoming Captain America: White by Loeb and Sale....:word:

[Anubis]

Awesome news there captain Yesterday.