The Official Captain America Thread

[Anubis]

Awesome news there captain Yesterday.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, we know about Cap: White, and Brubaker already mentioned in an interview on Newsarama that the guy in the tube is not a clone.
Would you support a Bucky book if Steve comes back. With Buck as either "New Cap", or going back to Winter Soldier?

I'm enjoying him so much as Cap right now, i'd DEFINITELY make room in my budget for a solo Bucky book...
I'd certainly support a Bucky book when Steve comes back. Not as any incarnation of Captain America, since that should rightly go back to Steve when he returns, but as whatever other code name they come up with. I don't think the Winter Soldier would work as a name, since that refers to his brainwashed period and likely holds a lot of bad memories for Bucky.

[CaptainStacy]

Awesome new there captain Yesterday.

Forget it...

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah, we know about Cap: White, and Brubaker already mentioned in an interview on Newsarama that the guy in the tube is not a clone.

I'd certainly support a Bucky book when Steve comes back. Not as any incarnation of Captain America, since that should rightly go back to Steve when he returns, but as whatever other code name they come up with. I don't think the Winter Soldier would work as a name, since that refers to his brainwashed period and likely holds a lot of bad memories for Bucky.



Thanks Corp. I never bother with Newsarama, so ihadnt heard yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

He said it's not a clone, it's not a Skrull, and Steve's body may or may not still be where we saw it last. Also, while we may see some of the ongoing events of the MU at large reflected in Cap's book and we may see other writers use New Cap in event books, he doesn't intend to stop his story to participate in any crossovers for the time being, so Avengers/Invaders is out, too.

[CaptainStacy]

He said it's not a clone, it's not a Skrull, and Steve's body may or may not still be where we saw it last.

That's what im figuring. Either Skrull's cronies switched it first, or somehow managed to recover it from the ocean floor. There was an Atlantean who helped Red Skrull and the Nazis during WWII..U-Man, iirc. He might have been able to get Steve's body from down there...

[TheCorpulent1]

Was "Red Skrull" a typo, or are you implying something? :huh:

[CaptainStacy]

Was "Red Skrull" a typo, or are you implying something? :huh:


:pal: A typo, lol. I have Skrulls on my mind lately. :twisted:

[kguillou]

SO, if its not a clone or skrull, or the cap from Invaders, then..., what else could it be than the real deal? I should feel happy that Steve's back but I dunno, i feel like its too soon to bring him back already, plus i'm just beginning to adjust to Bucky as the new Cap. But I trust Brubaker, i hope he knows what he's doing.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it's really Steve, mostly because of what you said about Bucky's having just taken the role of Cap. I'm not sure what else it could be if clones, Skrulls, and time-lost Steves are out, but I'm sure Brubaker could have a twist hidden. There's still LMDs and all kinds of other stuff it could be.

[kguillou]

Um, what's "LMD"? lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Life Model Decoy. It's basically a robot that SHIELD builds to look and act exactly like someone else. Nick Fury had a bunch made to look like him, and he used them extensively earlier in this Captain America run to spy on SHIELD while he was hiding. It's possible that the Skull stole that technology and created a Steve Rogers LMD. It's also possible that the guy in the tube is a synthoid (basically an artificial human) like the Vision or the original Human Torch, or the Skull used what little power the cosmic cube had left to build a copy of Steve that wouldn't technically be considered a clone, etc. Lots of possibilities beyond just Steve being brought back already.

[CaptainCanada]

My guess is that "Steve" is related to Zola's time machine that they got from Doctor Doom.

Another theory I've seen is that it's the Grand Director, who looks exactly like Cap; he does look exactly like Steve, and there's a connection to Faustus, but I don't know how likely that is.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, I forgot all about the Grand Director.

[CaptainCanada]

Oh yeah, I forgot all about the Grand Director.
That has a tendency to happen with characters who've been dead for decades.

[Dread]

I'd support a Bucky book if and when Steve Rogers returns, so long as it is written, co-written, or co-plotted by Brubaker, or another writer that I felt could handle the character.

As to who this "other" Cap is, I don't know. Neither clone, Skrull, or time-lost Cap, that does keep the "speed grown fetus" in the picture, although since Skull didn't plan on that development, it likely isn't it.

Grand Director could be a cool element, especially to the past. That would connect to Nomad's origin, and Bucky murdered him while he was still following Lukin.

Frankly it would be cool if Protocide came back in some way, but Brubaker seems to be using the 70's era stuff as ore, rather than stuff from the 90's.

[CaptainCanada]

GD certainly fits from the era Brubaker favours (basically the Lee/Kirby/Colan period through to before Stern and Byrne arrived, with rare exceptions, such as Gruenwald-era villains Sin and Crossbones).

Most Cap writers eventually get to the Evil Cap story, something that Cap is especially suited for since there are so many different potential interpretations of what the mantle stands for, from radically different politics to just wanting to screw with Cap's good name.

[Dread]

Even Fraction in P:WJ did an "Evil Cap" story, basically, with the Hate Monger thing.

[Xofenroht]

Personally, I think the body in the tank once belonged to Steve Rogers, but is now under the possession of the Red Skull for his intricate plans.

[Colossal Spoons]

Weird. I have no idea where Brubaker's going with the Steve in the tube now. Unless it's really Steve, somehow revivified with more Super Solider Serum, and Brubaker's gonna turn him evil, forcing the whole Cap/Winter Soldier thing to come full circle.

Interesting


I'd like the body in the tube to be Steve and have him revived; but not become Captain America right away. Maybe have him lurking around doing black-ops stuff while Bucky stays in the public eye until they get Red Skull taken care of. I think THAT would be a cool role reversal for Steve and Bucky :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Why would Steve do black ops stuff all of a sudden? He's still supposed to be the principled, take a stand sort of guy who operates in the open.

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't mean X-Force type stuff, just undercover work. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, that I could see. He'd probably welcome the ability to work without all eyes on him and public opinion judging every move he makes.

[GoldenAgeHero]

it could be the grand director

i got this from wiki.

"They are given over to the custody of the psychologist Doctor Faustus for treatment[4]. Faustus mind-controls the replacement Captain in an attempt to use him against Steve Rogers. The unnamed man returns as "The Grand Director"[5], the leader of a Neo-Nazi group called "The National Force". After being defeated in battle by the original Captain America and Daredevil the character commits suicide."


I don't know how credible this source is, so take it with a grain of salt.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, CaptainCanada suggested the Grand Director already.

[GNR]

let's not forget the machine Skull took from Doom that had something to do with the timestream

[GoldenAgeHero]

Yeah, CaptainCanada suggested the Grand Director already.

yeah and i was reaffirming his suggestion. ass.


and I doubt bru would follow the timetravel route. I'm going to rule that out, for my own sake.

[TheCorpulent1]

He could've just had the Red Skull travel back in time to grab the Grand Director.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh, that I could see. He'd probably welcome the ability to work without all eyes on him and public opinion judging every move he makes.

Not just the chance to get away from the public eye, but only a handful of people would even know he was alive again

[TheCorpulent1]

Steve Rogers: Agent of SHIELD. I'd buy it.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I don't know. thats kind of pointless if Steve is going to eventually wear his costume again and starts to do his regular routine of going after the bad guys, It'll be pretty hard to keep him out of the public eye. and I doubt Steve would like to keep his return secret from the american people....they need to know that thier symbol of hope is alive and well.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Steve Rogers: Agent of SHIELD. I'd buy it.


damn, talk about bad taste. Steve Rogers as Cap is where he belongs.

IF anything, Bucky can be the leader of the New Avengers,with a complete team revamp.......................away from Bendis.

I also wouldn't mind giving him a new costume.

[RockSP]

Steve Rogers: Agent of SHIELD. I'd buy it.

Steve was pretty much a SHIELD agent already.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it was fun.
I don't know. thats kind of pointless if Steve is going to eventually wear his costume again and starts to do his regular routine of going after the bad guys, It'll be pretty hard to keep him out of the public eye. and I doubt Steve would like to keep his return secret from the american people....they need to know that thier symbol of hope is alive and well.
Bucky would obviously have grown into the role of Captain America by then. I don't think Cap would have a problem passing the mantle on if it went to someone as deserving as Bucky.

[GoldenAgeHero]

How does he deserve it:huh:

he was brainwashed, killed a few folks, he's good again so lets give him the mantle to feel better about himself :huh:

yeah no thank you. seriously I'm very puzzled how you arrived to that conclusion.( I Like the character and all...but yeah I don't think Bucky would keep it even if Steve returned)

I rather Bucky evolve into his own character.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't know. thats kind of pointless if Steve is going to eventually wear his costume again and starts to do his regular routine of going after the bad guys, It'll be pretty hard to keep him out of the public eye. and I doubt Steve would like to keep his return secret from the american people....they need to know that thier symbol of hope is alive and well.

I could see Steve wanting to lay low; especially after Civil War. He looked so damn defeated and borderline depressed after his retreat.

[Colossal Spoons]

Bucky would obviously have grown into the role of Captain America by then. I don't think Cap would have a problem passing the mantle on if it went to someone as deserving as Bucky.

It would be temporary anyway. GAH would get over it eventually lol

[GoldenAgeHero]

No I'll get pissed.


this what i hated about the whole Ben Reilly replacing Peter debacle..not cool.

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk why the idea of Steve Rogers not being Cap for like 6 whole months while he and Bucky finish off the Red Skull and fix our economy bothers you so much lol

[Blader5489]

No I'll get pissed.


this what i hated about the whole Ben Reilly replacing Peter debacle..not cool.

This is nothing like the Ben Reilly situation.

[GoldenAgeHero]

This is nothing like the Ben Reilly situation.

Never said it was, but it really feels like it.

Idk why the idea of Steve Rogers not being Cap for like 6 whole months while he and Bucky finish off the Red Skull and fix our economy bothers you so much lol

its been over 6 months.:)

like i said its pointless for him not to be cap for 6 months if he's gonna be out and about, whats the point of avoding the inevitable? it really doesn;t bother me that much..its just stupid.


i can tell how Bru is going to have it go down, Cap comes back alive,Bucky gives him back the Cap mantle and both him and Bucky go finish off Skull, just like the old days. Friends fighting side by side. The End.

[Colossal Spoons]

It makes for a good story. Dude, if you were EIC of Marvel, nothing would ever change :(

See if a mod can change your name to "Status Quo" lol

[Czar Colossus]

I'm enjoyin' the ride.:yay:

[Xofenroht]

I really don't want to see Steve Rogers come back as Cap. I don't mind him coming back, just so long as he isn't Captain America again. Unless America returns to being the country Steve Rogers represented.

[Eros]

I really don't want to see Steve Rogers come back as Cap. I don't mind him coming back, just so long as he isn't Captain America again. Unless America returns to being the country Steve Rogers represented.


America hasn't been the country steve represented since 1945, black people and other minorities aren't treated like utter garbage these days.

[TheCorpulent1]

like i said its pointless for him not to be cap for 6 months if he's gonna be out and about, whats the point of avoding the inevitable? it really doesn;t bother me that much..its just stupid.
Okay, GAH. I'm going to tell you a story. It's about these wondrous things called character arcs...

[Czar Colossus]

Wow;
is that what you think Cap represents? I believe that our country,though far from perfect, is much better than it was and is always striving to improve. Steve represents that. He's a leader who strives to serve those he protects. Though he represents many aspects of human perfection, he does not see himself as better than others simply because of the things he can do. He feels that he has these abilities to serve the greater good. He strives to be a moral compass in a world that often rejects that. That's why I'll always love Captain America and why it may be very difficult to make a movie that truly represents him and would be widely accepted.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Eros was just being facetious.

[Czar Colossus]

I hope so, but there was no animosity behind my remarks; just making a statement.
Peace.

[kguillou]

I dunno, I've always loved the concept of the mantle being passed down from teacher to student. I've always wanted to see Dick Grayson become Batman, but i don't think thats ever going to happen. Thats a concept thats always been teased at in comics but has never actually happened. For once, i would love to see that concept come to fruition with Bucky becoming the new Captain America. There's so much potential in a story like that instead of having Cap just come back, take his mantle back and everything's back to normal. Thats just my opinion.

[cerealkiller182]

I dunno, I've always loved the concept of the mantle being passed down from teacher to student. I've always wanted to see Dick Grayson become Batman, but i don't think thats ever going to happen. Thats a concept thats always been teased at in comics but has never actually happened. For once, i would love to see that concept come to fruition with Bucky becoming the new Captain America. There's so much potential in a story like that instead of having Cap just come back, take his mantle back and everything's back to normal. Thats just my opinion.

Agreed

I wouldnt care if Steve were to take it back, but it be nice to see Bucky in the suit for longer than expected

[Xofenroht]

America hasn't been the country steve represented since 1945, black people and other minorities aren't treated like utter garbage these days.

Yeah they still are. It's just not as out in the open as it used to be. Of course, every country has it's big bad oil stain on its history, but if you're gonna focus on that instead of the good they (such as America) are supposed to represent then yeah...America really is a different place than it was when Steve Rogers began his run. And besides, Kirby and Simon created Cap, and Kirby was no racist, so I'm sure Steve wouldn't have been either. Get where I'm going here?

[Czar Colossus]

I have no problem with passing the mantle. I wouldn't mind seeing Steve return in another capacity. I think he'd be a better head of S.H.E.I.L.D. than Tony. There are a great many things to do with him than just being Cap again. That new costume however, I'm still trying to get used to it.

[kguillou]

If Steve comes back, they should do a "Batman Beyond" sorta thing where Steve retires but still coaches Bucky from the sidelines and mentors him and teaches him how to become Captain America.

[cerealkiller182]

I have no problem with passing the mantle. I wouldn't mind seeing Steve return in another capacity. I think he'd be a better head of S.H.E.I.L.D. than Tony. There are a great many things to do with him than just being Cap again. That new costume however, I'm still trying to get used to it.

I like that idea of Steve as head of SHIELD. And the new costume seems more plot driven considering Buckys trying to be Cap without being Steve.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok now you guys are getting crazy lol. Steve being alive but not Cap should last like 8 months or so :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Steve's gotta go back to being Cap eventually. I'm just saying it'd be cool if he temporarily weren't, to allow us to see what a Steve unburdened by the responsibility of Captain America is like while simultaneously giving us more development with Bucky.

[Czar Colossus]

Without contradicting what I said previously, I agree that the staus quo is, with a few exceptions, the fallback position. Yeah, we're all pretty positive that in the end Steve will once again be wearing the Red, White, and Blue as long as it's a good read that's fine.
It seems that DC has less trouble with the "Passing Of The Torch" (ie. JSA, Flash,Robin,Blue Beetle, maybe Captain Marvel) than does Marvel.

[TheCorpulent1]

Less trouble, but still plenty of trouble to go around. Several key characters in the DC universe will never be permanently replaced, just like at Marvel.

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk if I want Bucky to get his own book when Steve takes the Cap mantle back again. I love Captain America being about Steve, Bucky, Sam, and Natasha. Those 4 need to be in the book.

[TheCorpulent1]

You forgot Sharon. Steve's gotta have his lady.

[Czar Colossus]

Less trouble, but still plenty of trouble to go around. Several key characters in the DC universe will never be permanently replaced, just like at Marvel.

True;
Superman,Batman, Wonder Woman and possibly Hal Jordan may be untouchable in the Grand Scheme.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Wally West is going anywhere anytime soon either. He's still got too much story left to tell, and just about everyone identifies with him. When he's written right, he's even more of an everyman than Spider-Man, as far as I'm concerned.

[Xofenroht]

You've got a point there.

[kguillou]

The thing is, if Steve comes back, everything cant just go back to normal. There needs to be some sort of change. Steve has to come back as a different person. The reason why Captain America is so good right now is because Bucky is an "updated" version of what Captain America should be in 2008. As much as I love the old Cap, he was too old-fashioned and stuck in the past. I think that was part of the meaning behind his death, to say good-bye to the golden age and embrace this newer age of heroes. Anyway, my point is, if Steve does come back, he cant be the same old-fashioned Steve, he has to be fresh, new and modern, like Bucky is right now, or like Ultimate Cap.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's your opinion. Frankly, I'd drop Captain America's comic and never look back if Steve Rogers became anything like Ultimate Cap. Steve's perfectly fine as is--that's why Bucky's trying so hard to live up to the memory of Steve's Captain America. It's not enough for Cap to just be a soldier who reflects the world as it is; he has to be an inspiration for people to strive for the way things should be.

[RockSP]

The only cue Cap (and Bucky Cap as well) should take from Ulti-Cap is to lose the buccaneer boots...

[TheCorpulent1]

Captain America is buccaneer boots. :cmad:

[RockSP]

I'm sure there is a character somewhere called The Buccaneer...and even he hates buccaneer boots.

[UK_Stu]

From my memory, its only since the inception of Ultimate Cap, that 616 Steve Rodgers became a man stuck in the past, with outdated ideals and values. People seem to be getting them mixed up. Read some Captain America from the 70's or 80's - Steve was pretty well tuned to the society of the day.

That said I'm quite enjoying Bucky's run as Cap - but I'm not sure why Bucky is supposed to anymore adjusted to modern times than Steve was. Steve had been living in the present continously for years and years. Bucky was let out of his tube once or twice a year for a 'job' (as the winter soldier) and was then returned to his tube. If anything he should be "stuck in the past"

[Egotastic]

And Brubaker has shown that. Go read the Winter Kills one-shot.

[UK_Stu]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of the one shot

[Egotastic]

It's excellent. Bucky teams up with the Young Avengers and spends Christmas with Namor. :up:

[Xofenroht]

Oh Namor...where is your ongoing? Where is the really good creative team that could make that ongoing last?

[CaptainCanada]

The thing is, if Steve comes back, everything cant just go back to normal. There needs to be some sort of change. Steve has to come back as a different person. The reason why Captain America is so good right now is because Bucky is an "updated" version of what Captain America should be in 2008. As much as I love the old Cap, he was too old-fashioned and stuck in the past. I think that was part of the meaning behind his death, to say good-bye to the golden age and embrace this newer age of heroes. Anyway, my point is, if Steve does come back, he cant be the same old-fashioned Steve, he has to be fresh, new and modern, like Bucky is right now, or like Ultimate Cap.
I don't see that at all; the whole point of Captain America is that he's a soldier from a bygone era. The point of this story, really, is how important he was; Bucky is also from a bygone era, he's just had a rougher transition to the present.

Certainly, the last thing we need is fascist thug Ultimate Cap.

[Egotastic]

Preview for #37. (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0803/25/marvelfirsts.htm)
Looks like Clint may have something to say about Bucky's new career. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

****. Yes.

It's funny, everyone was wondering who that dude was before because I think his hair had been colored brown. :D

[Egotastic]

Actually, I think the pages we saw before weren't colored at all.

[Darthphere]

Clint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CaptainCanada]

Guest stars are always fun; I wouldn't want this book to turn into a parade of reactions to New Cap, but it's nice to see them when appropriate.

If we're talking wish lists (and we are now), I'd like to see Thor, Herc, and the Patriot/Hawkeye duo (the latter two, in particular, since they're one of the four or five heroes who actually knew about Bucky before he became Captain America).

[Dread]

If that is Clint, that'd be sweet. If James can convince him to ditch the stupid ninja outfit on weekends and moonlight with him alongside Black Widow and Falcon, that'd be even sweeter. But, yeah, considering the relationship between Steve and Clint over the years, having him meet "new Cap" is inevitable.

It seems to be an easy way to "fill space" to have various characters react to New Cap, but why not? Cap's death touched many superheroes in huge ways. Even non-Avengers had teamed up with him at least once or twice or naturally looked up to his legacy. Losing him is the Marvel equalivent to losing Superman. A new guy running around in the long johns would surely garner attention. Why not let Brubaker write it, rather than entrust, say, Bendis to write such a reaction.

Besides, if Brubaker took his big name character/legacy who had a myriad of relationships with other superheroes and did absolutely nothing with reactions...he'd be JMS on THOR. I mean I like THOR, but CA's a better book through and through.

[GNR]

I don't mind other characters dropping in as long as they make sense.Clint is an obvious character who would be curious about what the hell is going on with this new Cap.

Having Thor pop up would be insane if done well.

[Aristotle]

Looks like a fine premise for a backup plot thread, but I hope Brubaker doesn't eventually degenerate into using "And Then Dazzler Showed Up To See What This New Cap Was All About!" as the main story. Not that I think he'd do that.

[Xofenroht]

No, he's not cheap like that.

[Vanguard07]

Who doesnt wanna see Dazzler's reaction though? I mean honestly?

[kguillou]

I just wonder when this is all over, will Bucky join the new avengers. Better yet, will they even let him join?

[Vanguard07]

That'd be pretty cool.
Thing is though if he joins the NA he'd have to be the leader. I mean would anyone wanna see Captain ****ing America, regardless of which Captain America falling in line for Luke Cage?

It'd be an interesting extension to his current character development. I mean he's taken up the mantle of pretty much THE leader of men in the MU. It's only reasonable to see him have to act the part and actively LEAD a team.

[TheCorpulent1]

It could hurt Captain America's credibility if he's not the leader, but I don't think Bucky necessarily has to be or would even want to be. If the Luke leading right now is actually a Skrull, though, I could see the real Luke handing leadership over to Bucky after SI.

[Egotastic]

I don't see Bucky joining an Avengers team, anyway. Not in the "official" sense, anyway. He might be involved in a story arc, or whatever, but I doubt he starts hanging out in Avengers Tower or Danny's apartment.

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see it. Not right this instant, but once he builds a bit more confidence as Cap.

[Egotastic]

I like the idea that he's on the fringe of the MU, anyway. I don't think I want to see Bucky palling (paling?) around with Spider-Man or anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's not really like Steve hung out and drank beer all day with the Avengers. He was their leader, but he was also kind of aloof. He spent all his time training in just about every Avengers comic I've read except the ones where Sersi ropes him into a party in her quest to get in his pants.

[Xofenroht]

And that looks like what Bucky is starting to do too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's a training maniac. A trainiac, if you will. :up:

[Dread]

I don't want Bucky anywhere near Bendis.

Oh, 12,000th post. Go me.

[Egotastic]

I'd prefer Bucky to stay away from Bendis' iron clasp, myself.

[Dread]

I'd prefer Bucky to stay away from Bendis' iron clasp, myself.

Exactly.

Brubaker's deep into his own story, I'm fine with him continuing to do so.

[Egotastic]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bucky run through Hell's Kitchen and meet up with Daredevil, though. For as high status as the title of Captain America is, I still think of Bucky as more of a street level hero.

[cerealkiller182]

I like that idea, maybe come face to face with Moon Knight too

[Dread]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bucky run through Hell's Kitchen and meet up with Daredevil, though. For as high status as the title of Captain America is, I still think of Bucky as more of a street level hero.

Plus, that'd keep him in a Brubaker book. ;)

[Egotastic]

I like that idea, maybe come face to face with Moon Knight too

Yeah, I don't read MK, but I could see it. They're both a little on the aggressive side when it comes to superheroes.

[Dread]

Moon Knight? Eh, I doubt it would accomplish much. But maybe I am on a downer on that book as the new blood writer isn't impressing me much.

[cerealkiller182]

Yeah, I don't read MK, but I could see it. They're both a little on the aggressive side when it comes to superheroes.

Oh i thought you meant in the Cap title.

I thought it would be interesting for Bucky to see MK since MK is so aggressive and unstable like something Bucky could be in the future or something.

Plus i think SHIELD is looking for MK for a psych exam, maybe Cap can hunt him down

[Egotastic]

Yeah, it could make him take a step back and look at his own tactics a little.

[Dread]

Pfft, Bucky is nowhere near MK. MK's outright nuts. Even when James was the Winter Soldier, he was nowhere near as twisted. That's like Superman equating himself to Frank Castle because he killed the Phantom Zone Kryptonians. Which some writers and people do; believe in "moral equalivancy", that an act is equally evil no matter the circumstance (such as "murder is wrong", whether it is a mugger killing a pedestrian or a police officer killing the mugger if he refuses to surrender). I don't agree with that at all, but some do.

[cerealkiller182]

Didnt say they were equivalent, just saying Bucky is intense and aggressive and MK could be a glimpse to his future.

[Dread]

Didnt say they were equivalent, just saying Bucky is intense and aggressive and MK could be a glimpse to his future.

I suppose.

I just could think of other people Buck could meet, while keeping such things sparing and thus interesting. Y'know, not to have too much of a good thing? A detail neither Marvel or DC practice? ;)

[cerealkiller182]

I suppose.

I just could think of other people Buck could meet, while keeping such things sparing and thus interesting. Y'know, not to have too much of a good thing? A detail neither Marvel or DC practice? ;)

Not that he should take a tour of the Marvel U or nothing but I like seeing heroes interact especially those of varying methodology.

[Xofenroht]

Pfft, Bucky is nowhere near MK. MK's outright nuts. Even when James was the Winter Soldier, he was nowhere near as twisted. That's like Superman equating himself to Frank Castle because he killed the Phantom Zone Kryptonians. Which some writers and people do; believe in "moral equalivancy", that an act is equally evil no matter the circumstance (such as "murder is wrong", whether it is a mugger killing a pedestrian or a police officer killing the mugger if he refuses to surrender). I don't agree with that at all, but some do.

Well, I'd think the cop was a tad evil too for killing a mugger for simply not surrendering. But I get your point ;)

[Dread]

Not that he should take a tour of the Marvel U or nothing but I like seeing heroes interact especially those of varying methodology.

Touche.

Well, I'd think the cop was a tad evil too for killing a mugger for simply not surrendering. But I get your point ;)

Good.

[DoomRulz]

I read my copy today and wow...just...wow. Bucky beat Sin's team down pretty bad, I'm actually surprised he didn't kill her. And Crossbones certainly went to work on him, he's tougher than I thought.

The panel of Bucky crashing out of the window and landing on the car was :word:. Guice is a great artist, but where did Epting go?

Anyone else think Bucky screwed up big time in addressing the crowd?

The ending was shocking to say the least. My eyes filled...though I really hope Cap doesn't come back b/c they've come this far, no point in turning back; especially with the Invaders appearance coming soon in New Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just read the Winter Kills one-shot during my rereading of the Cap series via the Cap Omnibus. Really, really awesome. I love character-driven issues, and they don't get much more character-driven than Bucky reconnecting with friends new and old. It's also cool to see the different phases Brubaker built up. Brubaker's run keeps getting better and better.

[UK_Stu]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bucky in the Avengers, his military/espionage background would make him quite a good strategic leader. He just has to prove his worth to the others first!

[TheCorpulent1]

He has to prove his worth to himself first, too. I don't think he'd really be interested in joining the Avengers right this minute, though.

[Egotastic]

I just read the Winter Kills one-shot during my rereading of the Cap series via the Cap Omnibus. Really, really awesome. I love character-driven issues, and they don't get much more character-driven than Bucky reconnecting with friends new and old. It's also cool to see the different phases Brubaker built up. Brubaker's run keeps getting better and better.

That one-shot was one of the best done in ones I've read in years. The art was great, too.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hm, wonder why Sharon said that that body wasn't Steve.

[RockSP]

Because it isn't?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but how could she tell. Looks just like him.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's all scarred up.

[RockSP]

Yeah, but how could she tell. Looks just like him.

Except he was burned or something.

When Sharon "died" back in the day...she died in a fire along with the Grand Director who looked just like Steve.

That's why some fanboys have speculated that the dude in the lab is the Grand Director.

[Blader5489]

Maybe the Skull used Doom's time platform to go back to the point where the Grand Director died, and managed to rescue him before the burns became fatal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seems likely. We still don't know what the Skull used the time platform for, and taking advantage of Cap's death by resurrecting a guy who looks just like him is twisted enough to be right up the Skull's alley.

[Red]

Whats a Grand Director?

[TheCorpulent1]

A crossing guard with delusions of grandeur.

[SuperMonkey]

^ Mwahahahahahaha! :yay:

[Arkady Rossovich]

Is there any word on a Captain America omnibus with Stan Lee as the writer? Iron Man has one out now,so would there be one of the Golden or Silver Age adventures of him? I know there's a Brubaker one out too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whats a Grand Director?
Sorry, I really thought someone else would fill you in after my little joke.

The Grand Director is the Captain America of the '50s. Remember that guy the Winter Soldier killed? Jack Monroe? The guy who took the costume and name of Bucky because his teacher was a total Cap fanboy and wanted to basically live the life of Captain America? Well, the Grand Director was his teacher, a.k.a. the Cap fanboy. So great was his fanboyism that he legally changed his name to Steve Rogers. He was then used by the government, which injected him and Jack with an imperfect version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later on, he went crazy and died in a fire. Until, many of us now are guessing, the Red Skull used Doom's time platform to save him.

[venom892]

Wow I knew Bru wouldn't bring Steve back yet.Damn this book is good and has great continuity.

[Dread]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14577436&postcount=87

I have to say that this series keeps getting more bad ass. :up:

[CaptainCanada]

Is there any word on a Captain America omnibus with Stan Lee as the writer? Iron Man has one out now,so would there be one of the Golden or Silver Age adventures of him? I know there's a Brubaker one out too.
I imagine they'll wait for the movie, since most of the other omnibuses for the main heroes have been targeted for those release dates.

[CaptainCanada]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/23/top-100-comic-book-runs-20-16/#comment-658288

One of the CBR blogs had a big fan vote and are counting down the Top 100 comics runs; Brubaker's ongoing Captain America run scored #17, just ahead of Planetary and behind the Byrne Fantastic Four; at this point, it will likely be the highest-placed run that is still ongoing.

[CaptainCanada]

The Latest Captain America interview on Newsarama. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=5459615&posted=1#post5459615)

Nice preview art of the next issue.

[Tony Ingram]

Sorry, I really thought someone else would fill you in after my little joke.

The Grand Director is the Captain America of the '50s. Remember that guy the Winter Soldier killed? Jack Monroe? The guy who took the costume and name of Bucky because his teacher was a total Cap fanboy and wanted to basically live the life of Captain America? Well, the Grand Director was his teacher, a.k.a. the Cap fanboy. So great was his fanboyism that he legally changed his name to Steve Rogers. He was then used by the government, which injected him and Jack with an imperfect version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later on, he went crazy and died in a fire. Until, many of us now are guessing, the Red Skull used Doom's time platform to save him.Pity they killed Monroe, really. Two Cap/Bucky pairings (when Steve version 1 returns) would have been interesting.

[DoomJester]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/23/top-100-comic-book-runs-20-16/#comment-658288

One of the CBR blogs had a big fan vote and are counting down the Top 100 comics runs; Brubaker's ongoing Captain America run scored #17, just ahead of Planetary and behind the Byrne Fantastic Four; at this point, it will likely be the highest-placed run that is still ongoing.

I'm not going to get into this, because last time I did you could've sworn I talked about someone's grandmother, Captain America is good right now, I'm not amazed by it, I'm more amazed that people will accept the slow pacing at times. Also, I'm still very frustrated at the fact that Tony is dragging his feet, and that we still only have Black Widow, Bucky/Cap and Falcon on this case. It seems a lot of the stuff is overworked a little.

Is Cap fun? At times, yes. Is it amazing? No.

[Xofenroht]

I beg to differ. Brubaker is doing great work on "Cap Am".

[CaptainCanada]

Also, I'm still very frustrated at the fact that Tony is dragging his feet,
How?

This is Captain America; the story is a matter for the book's cast.

[DoomJester]

The story is a matter for the books cast seems a bit tautological-- it is a matter for the book's cast in the sense that unlike in real life, these people can't actually make decisions, so of course it is a matter of the book's cast. But the book's cast is whoever the writer puts into it. And that is part of my hesitancy to call Cap truly great.

And that speaks to Tony dragging his feet as well. He could have so many Avengers and people going after this plot (Red Skull/Kronos). He doesn't need proof to ask some of his better friends to help him, I'm not even sure it would have to be an "official" mission. His friends would do it and they'd do it because they respect him. It isn't happening because Brubaker is dragging out (I've expressed reservations about the pacing before) and overplaying this conspiracy plot. That's just a feeling I can't shake when reading this book. But again, I'm hesitant to get into this because Hype loves Captain America, and I'm not saying Hype can't think clearly, it is just I have no reason to disabuse people of their enjoyment of the book. If you like it, fine. These are the problems I have with it. I still buy it whenever it comes out. I probably will continue to buy it. I just won't worship it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think if Tony asked any superhuman to do anything, it would be perceived as SHIELD assigning a superhuman agent to a mission. I guess he could do it under the table so that no one would know, but he's not Nick Fury; he generally tries to do things above board. Plus, maybe he just has faith that Bucky, Natasha, and Sam can handle it. It's a pretty personal thing for Bucky, remember?
Pity they killed Monroe, really. Two Cap/Bucky pairings (when Steve version 1 returns) would have been interesting.
I liked Nomad, too. He did at least get a really nice tribute issue where you could get inside his head and realize that he's probably better off dead.

[Tony Ingram]

I liked Nomad, too. He did at least get a really nice tribute issue where you could get inside his head and realize that he's probably better off dead.I actually felt it was rather a shame they didn't just leave him cryogenically frozen and forgotten in the warehouse where he was left at the end of the Nomad series. That seemed fitting, somehow-poor Jack Monroe, dreaming eternity away, cut off from a world he had no place in. They should never have brought him back.

[DoomRulz]

Cap #37 was pretty good. I'm interested in seeing where this new Steve Rogers idea goes, especially once he meets with with Bucky. The dream sequence was really well-written; it reflects how Bucky is conflicted with carrying the flag.

[kguillou]

BTW, in that dream sequence, i didnt understand the part where Cap is like " Say it in Russian. You know, say it in Russian." and Bucky's like " It wasn't me!". What was that supposed to mean?

[Anubis]

It was in reference to all those years Buck spent as a Russian assassin. You know,The Winter Soldier.

[TheCorpulent1]

It means that Bucky still feels responsible for his actions as the Winter Soldier, even though he tries to tell himself he wasn't.

[Texas]

Per www.darkhorizons.com "Matthew McConaughey is rumored to be the front runner for Marvel's early 2011 superhero project "The First Avenger: Captain America" reports Cinema Blend."

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, dear God, no. :dry:

[Dread]

I won't overreact to any casting "rumors" considering the movie isn't due out for about 3 years and no script has been finalized quite yet.

But in theory, yeah, it would stink. But, in fairness, Captain America is one of those characters who is very hard to cast for, like Superman. You need to get someone who understands the character, a direction that works, and isn't so high-profile that the audience forgets about their character.

Of course, IRON MAN cast an Oscar nominated actor with a well known drug history to star in that, and it was the perfect fit to a near perfect movie that is grossing $200 million worldwide after less than a week.

[TheCorpulent1]

Beyond just being a bad actor, McConaughey is pretty much synonymous with bad romantic comedies at this point. I really don't need that kind of association being brought to Captain America.

[kainedamo]

I just draw a complete blank thinking about who could play Cap.

It would probably be better if a relative unknown or someone more art house played him rather than an A lister.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. Honestly, they could just follow the guidelines for casting Superman, only look for someone with blonde hair instead of black hair. Chris Reeves would've kicked ass as Cap.

[Dread]

Beyond just being a bad actor, McConaughey is pretty much synonymous with bad romantic comedies at this point. I really don't need that kind of association being brought to Captain America.

That too.

I just draw a complete blank thinking about who could play Cap.

It would probably be better if a relative unknown or someone more art house played him rather than an A lister.

Not sure about "art house".

I think what scares a lot of people who try to bring Cap to another medium is they are overwhelmed by the name and the star-spangled costume, recalling the propaganda roots, that they overlook the character and what works about him.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's an extension of the patriotic theme, really. We can point to the basic idea that he's everything America strives to be, but that can be interpreted in a different way by any given person. Cap draws a lot of people's own prejudices and ideals out more than most characters.

[Texas]

I won't overreact to any casting "rumors" considering the movie isn't due out for about 3 years and no script has been finalized quite yet.

But in theory, yeah, it would stink. But, in fairness, Captain America is one of those characters who is very hard to cast for, like Superman. You need to get someone who understands the character, a direction that works, and isn't so high-profile that the audience forgets about their character.

Of course, IRON MAN cast an Oscar nominated actor with a well known drug history to star in that, and it was the perfect fit to a near perfect movie that is grossing $200 million worldwide after less than a week.

and to hear Downey talk about his casting, Marvel thought he was too old for the role and he was initially ruled out !:wow:

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

and to hear Downey talk about his casting, Marvel thought he was too old for the role and he was initially ruled out !:wow:he is a guy that fights in a suit of armor and isn't known for spandex.

cap on the other hand is known for being on the younger side and in super shape and spandex.

[TheCorpulent1]

Cap looks like he's pushing 30, so he's not super-young. I hope they get someone who's actually got a commanding presence to play him, regardless of age.

[Hans]

I can't for the life of me cast Cap. The closest I get is Matt Damon. He's a good actor, he's a proven action star and he's blonde. That said, he's kind of small guy. I don't know. Brad Pitt has expressed interest in the role. He could be...okay.

I do know that Josh Holloway would make a great Thor.

[CaptainCanada]

I do know that Josh Holloway would make a great Thor.
Um...no.

[RockSP]

An unknown (that can act) for Cap.

Boost the supporting cast with "names".

[TheCorpulent1]

I think I would kill myself if Josh Holloway were cast as Thor. :(

[Hans]

Um...no.

Oh, c'mon. He's got that bastard with a sometimes-heart-of-gold thing going that would work really well for Thor. Plus, when he lowers his brow and glares, it's totally Thor. :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's only a bastard by birth. :oldrazz:

[Hans]

Thor's only a bastard by birth. :oldrazz:

Did you read that one-shot from last week? Total bastard.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and it's also from long, long before he became the character comic readers are familiar with. He started out as a bastard, but he's the noblest of the noble now.

[Hans]

Yeah, and it's also from long, long before he became the character comic readers are familiar with. He started out as a bastard, but he's the noblest of the noble now.

And considering that the Thor movie is said to focus on his "origin," a bastard is how he should be portrayed. Hell, Thor was too much of a bastard even for Odin.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, it focuses on his origin? I didn't know that. I've tried to limit my exposure to the movie so I can go in with an open mind. Still, Josh Holloway's just a terrible choice for Thor, as far as I'm concerned. He's too smarmy and obnoxious. Thor may be a dick, but he's still a dick who can crush you with a pinky. I don't get that imperious feeling from Holloway. He's more of a trailer trash bad boy.

[Hans]

Oh, it focuses on his origin? I didn't know that. I've tried to limit my exposure to the movie so I can go in with an open mind. Still, Josh Holloway's just a terrible choice for Thor, as far as I'm concerned. He's too smarmy and obnoxious. Thor may be a dick, but he's still a dick who can crush you with a pinky. I don't get that imperious feeling from Holloway. He's more of a trailer trash bad boy.

His character on Lost is. I don't see what that has to do with his ability to play other characters. To me, he's got the build, the hair, the eyes, etc. I'm not saying he's the only choice. I'm saying that he's the best choice that I've been able to come up with. Granted, I don't spend my days thinking about it or anything. ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

His character on Lost is the only thing I've got to judge him on. Granted, he could be a good enough actor to pull off as vastly different a role as Thor, but I don't get that feeling from him. He also just doesn't have the right look for the character, as far as I'm concerned.

[Hans]

Tall, muscular, blonde and angry? That sounds like Thor to me. ;)

Who would you suggest, then?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really have any suggestions. None of the actors I can think of would fit Thor. I think they'd be better off finding a gigantic, well-built unknown.

[moraldeficiency]

I don't really have any suggestions. None of the actors I can think of would fit Thor. I think they'd be better off finding a gigantic, well-built unknown.

gotta agree, it seems on the show that dude is pretty short (by his relation to other characters). I think of thor and I think someone I would want on my side in a fight, not someone I could just pick up and throw if he annoyed me.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha :D

Really, if they could find a guy who's like 7 feet tall, covered in muscle, and just happens to be a great actor, they'd have nailed Thor right there. Unfortunately, I doubt that's a combination that comes along very often. Holloway does seem a bit too small, though.

[Hans]

He's 6'1. :confused:

[moraldeficiency]

He's 6'1. :confused:

Is he? He seems shorter than that on the show, still too small though. I think you need at least John Wayne size to pull it off.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm thinking 6'5" for Thor, at least.

[Hans]

Is he? He seems shorter than that on the show, still too small though. I think you need at least John Wayne size to pull it off.

I doubt you're going to find many actors who would make a good Thor that are 6'4. Besides, what's 3 inches? Put him in lifts. :o

[moraldeficiency]

I doubt you're going to find many actors who would make a good Thor that are 6'4. Besides, what's 3 inches? Put him in lifts. :o

What's three inches? Well to me it's the difference between being an man of above average height and a multi million dollar NBA deal, so a lot.

Plus height also dictates a good deal of body size and shaping. I guess you could tom cruise it and frame a midget ala Lord of the Rings into looking larger than they are, but the presence is just still off.

[Hans]

What's three inches? Well to me it's the difference between being an man of above average height and a multi million dollar NBA deal, so a lot.

Oh, I thought we were talking about movies. You know, the industry that hides whatever they want and embellishes whatever they want with various camera angles, editting techniques, costumes, etc.

Plus height also dictates a good deal of body size and shaping. I guess you could tom cruise it and frame a midget ala Lord of the Rings into looking larger than they are, but the presence is just still off.

But we're not talking about Tom Cruise. We're talking about a guy who, technically, is 2 1/2 inches shorter than you'd like. Now, considering everything that I stated above: What's three inches?

[moraldeficiency]

Oh, I thought we were talking about movies. You know, the industry that hides whatever they want and embellishes whatever they want with various camera angles, editting techniques, costumes, etc.

By that logic no actor's appearence even matters, why not just get the guy that plays hurley to be thor and edit it up?

But we're not talking about Tom Cruise. We're talking about a guy who, technically, is 2 1/2 inches shorter than you'd like. Now, considering everything that I stated above: What's three inches?

2.5 inches and about a hundred pounds less. The fact still remains that I could pick the guy up and shot put him with relative ease. That does not sound like the god of thunder to me. If you're going to do a thor movie you better damn well get someone that looks like they could pull it off without massive editting, lightning and hiring small costars.

Here's the thing, when the actor picks up the hammer I don't want it to look like the hammer weighs more than him. Plus they'll probably have loki as the villian and I cringe at what they would have to do if sawyer is thor in relation to my favorite villian.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess lifts wouldn't be a bad solution. If it's only a couple inches, his arms wouldn't look noticeably short or his shoes noticeably tall.

I still think Holloway's not really massive enough, though. Thor's imposing because of height and mass, not just height. He's gotta be pretty gigantic. Not CGI-gigantic, but still, pretty huge.

[Hans]

By that logic no actor's appearence even matters, why not just get the guy that plays hurley to be thor and edit it up?

So you've officially started being ridiculous to prove weak points? Okay.

2.5 inches and about a hundred pounds less. The fact still remains that I could pick the guy up and shot put him with relative ease. That does not sound like the god of thunder to me. If you're going to do a thor movie you better damn well get someone that looks like they could pull it off without massive editting, lightning and hiring small costars.

Here's the thing, when the actor picks up the hammer I don't want it to look like the hammer weighs more than him. Plus they'll probably have loki as the villian and I cringe at what they would have to do if sawyer is thor in relation to my favorite villian.

How big are you? Because there's no way I could pick Josh Holloway up and shot put him. Are you thinking of the same Josh Holloway I am? Guy that plays Sawyer? I think maybe you're thinking of the Hobbit that plays Charlie or something. :huh:

[Anubis]

If only we could go back in time and grab a young Liam Neeson.

[TheCorpulent1]

A young Liam Neeson would rock my socks off. :)

[RockSP]

Simple solution:

Get the dude from the Naked Gun movies...the one who played the tall cop whose face we never see. Put him in a muscle suit like Juggernaut from X3. Slap a blonde wig on 'im.

There ya go. A Thor worthy of the Corman FF flick, Hasslehoff's Fury, and 70's live action tv Spidey. :up::up::up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Gross. :(

Ray Stevenson might've worked if he weren't already playing the Punisher.

[Hans]

Jesus Christ. Looks like the Thor movie is now directorless. Again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it sucks. Hopefully they get someone as good as Vaughn or better. I really don't want to see "Thor (a Brett Ratner film)." :(

[Hans]

Now that would make me kill myself.

[Doc Destruction]

How about Uwe Boll?

Please don't kill me.

[RockSP]

^^Too late.

The hit is out.

[moraldeficiency]

So you've officially started being ridiculous to prove weak points? Okay.

no, I used an exaggerated example to show how your point while possible doesn't really hold up.

How big are you?

ask your mother.

(sorry, I just couldn't resist the joke, 6' 2.5" 215 lbs.)

Because there's no way I could pick Josh Holloway up and shot put him. Are you thinking of the same Josh Holloway I am? Guy that plays Sawyer? I think maybe you're thinking of the Hobbit that plays Charlie or something. :huh:

yeah, sawyer, skinny little guy plays a con man on lost. And you're still missing the point, if it even seems possible I could manhandle him then he wouldn't make a good thor. Sorry, I like lost too, but that doesn't mean I want charlie as captian america.

[Hans]

In what reality is Josh Holloway a "skinny, little guy"? :huh:

[moraldeficiency]

In what reality is Josh Holloway a "skinny, little guy"? :huh:

this one.

[Hans]

Negative. I also like how you're basically disputing the fact that Hollywood "photoshops" it's movies and whatnot. That was a good one. :up:

[moraldeficiency]

Negative. I also like how you're basically disputing the fact that Hollywood "photoshops" it's movies and whatnot. That was a good one. :up:

Maybe to you but in relation to me he's not very big and certianly not thunder god big. Sorry.

I never said hollywood doesn't, like I said, Tom Cruise is an action star, but come on. If you're going to put thor the god of thunder and all forms of ass kicking up on the screen I don't want him portrayed by a guy that's frankly not that big. No matter how much they photoshop and only hire little actors to be around him it just doesn't feel right. Sawyer's size and build might lend itself to him playing loki (though I DO NOT want that) but not his big brother.

Though I will say I'm glad I made you laugh, although I thought the mother joke was much funnier then my comments on hollywood.

[Hans]

The way you twisted my comments in addition to the ludicrous nature of your own opinions are what made me laugh the most. :)

[moraldeficiency]

The way you twisted my comments in addition to the ludicrous nature of your own opinions are what made me laugh the most. :)

hmmm, interesting let's see if that stacks up:


Is there anyone one here that believes sawyer from lost is big enough (physically) to accurately play thor the god of thunder or is this just lost fanboy wank?

[Hans]

With the standard 3-6 month workout routine Hollywood puts these guys through? Hell yes, he's big enough. Or, he would become big enough, come filming.

[moraldeficiency]

With the standard 3-6 month workout routine Hollywood puts these guys through? Hell yes, he's big enough. Or, he would become big enough, come filming.

So your vote is yes but only after 3-6 months of training? Gotcha, and mine is no unless they genetically modify him to be like, actually big. So they cancel out, it's really the opinions of others I was asking about.

[Hans]

So your vote is yes but only after 3-6 months of training? Gotcha, and mine is no unless they genetically modify him to be like, actually big. So they cancel out, it's really the opinions of others I was asking about.

Are you trying to be asinine? Look at how big Will Smith got for Ali. Look at how much bigger Hugh Jackman got for X-Men 3. Look at how big Christian Bale got for Batman Begins. These are guys who would have been considered "too small" for their respective characters (well, Hugh Jackman was considered too big, but that's another story altogether). But thanks to working out and increasing muscle mass, which is something EVERY Hollywood actor playing a superhero is required to do, they work just fine.

[moraldeficiency]

Are you trying to be asinine? Look at how big Will Smith got for Ali. Look at how much bigger Hugh Jackman got for X-Men 3. Look at how big Christian Bale got for Batman Begins. These are guys who would have been considered "too small" for their respective characters (well, Hugh Jackman was considered too big, but that's another story altogether). But thanks to working out and increasing muscle mass, which is something EVERY Hollywood actor playing a superhero is required to do, they work just fine.

Ali was never really that big, he was a speed boxer with a wrist spin that could cut an elephant, but look at him vs. Foreman and you'll see him fighting an actual big guy.

Wolverine is a little guy(height wise), jackman's perfect.

Batman is supposed to be 6'1" with the body of a gymnist/martial artist so Bale works well with that.

I'm not saying an actor couldn't bulk up for the role, muscle mass is easy, but height and size are something you either have or you don't. Thor should be imposing the way your father is when you're little not some guy of above average height that works out a lot. That seems less imposing and more like someone trying to overcompensate.

[RockSP]

Wolverine is a little guy(height wise), jackman's perfect.

:huh: :huh: :huh:

Jackman's waaaaaaaay taller than Wolverine "should" be.

[moraldeficiency]

:huh: :huh: :huh:

Jackman's waaaaaaaay taller than Wolverine "should" be.

Yeah, but I think Gary Coleman already had a job at the time.

Though I agree.

[Hans]

Ali was never really that big, he was a speed boxer with a wrist spin that could cut an elephant, but look at him vs. Foreman and you'll see him fighting an actual big guy.

Ali was a LOT bigger than Will Smith was before he trained to play Ali.

Wolverine is a little guy(height wise), jackman's perfect.

How is a guy who's 6'2 "perfect" for playing a superhero who's a full foot shorter? :huh: This just cements the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Batman is supposed to be 6'1" with the body of a gymnist/martial artist so Bale works well with that.

And yet he put on a ton of weight and muscle mass to beef up for the role.

I'm not saying an actor couldn't bulk up for the role, muscle mass is easy, but height and size are something you either have or you don't. Thor should be imposing the way your father is when you're little not some guy of above average height that works out a lot. That seems less imposing and more like someone trying to overcompensate.

I realize now that continuing to debate this with you is...well, it's pointless. Whether or not Holloway can act, regardless of whether or not he has the facial features of Thor, he's got the right frame. You can add muscle to it. He's relatively tall. You can put a couple inches of lifts on him, if he's not tall enough. These are facts.

[moraldeficiency]

Ali was a LOT bigger than Will Smith was before he trained to play Ali.

Muscle mass, again, I'm not talking muscle mass.

How is a guy who's 6'2 "perfect" for playing a superhero who's a full foot shorter? :huh: This just cements the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I had no idea he was that tall, that does seem a bit much. I was in error on this and I apologize. I have to say your knowledge of celeb. heights is mildly disturbing.

And yet he put on a ton of weight and muscle mass to beef up for the role.

Again, and again and again. I'm not talking muscle mass. A midget could get huge, that doesn't mean he'd be the right size to play thor.

I realize now that continuing to debate this with you is...well, it's pointless. Whether or not Holloway can act, regardless of whether or not he has the facial features of Thor, he's got the right frame. You can add muscle to it. He's relatively tall. You can put a couple inches of lifts on him, if he's not tall enough. These are facts.

god in heaven will you stop with the put on muscle thing? How many times do I have to explain to you that all the muscle in the world won't make you tall or give you size outside of bulging muscles. The god of thunder I always saw as being a little more than relatively tall. Sorry, it's my opinion.

I'll try to put it to you in this way, my father is 6'5" about 280, has a hand that's probably the size of your chest. He would have the right body type to play thor. I want thor to be a someone I don't think I could take in a fight. When he brings that hammer down I don't want it to look like some kid playing with a toy that's not for his age level.

[RockSP]

Yeah, but I think Gary Coleman already had a job at the time.

Though I agree.

I had no problem with Jackman in the role. Just saying. You said he was "perfect" for the role like there was no discrepancy at all lol.

[moraldeficiency]

I had no problem with Jackman in the role. Just saying. You said he was "perfect" for the role like there was no discrepancy at all lol.

I already apologized for not knowing he was that tall. What more do you want? I haven't seen a ton of Jackman movies but what I have seen didn't seem to have him above average in height. Damn, quite sorry about all this people, I'm sure sawer would be a perfect thor and charlie could be loki and ben can be odin and kate could be sif and then we'd just have the very best movie I could possibly imagine. I was clearly talking out my ass wanting the god of thunder to be portrayed by someone that's actually big.

[RockSP]

I already apologized for not knowing he was that tall. What more do you want?

:huh:

Uh...I don't want anything? I was simply responding back to you.

And there was no need to apologize. It's just a message board, homey.

[moraldeficiency]

:huh:

Uh...I don't want anything? I was simply responding back to you.

And there was no need to apologize. It's just a message board, homey.

Actually when I'm wrong I think I should. In fact I think everyone should. If not, then I'm even more of an *******, and that would be a pretty difficult feat.

[Hans]

god in heaven will you stop with the put on muscle thing? How many times do I have to explain to you that all the muscle in the world won't make you tall or give you size outside of bulging muscles. The god of thunder I always saw as being a little more than relatively tall. Sorry, it's my opinion.

I'll try to put it to you in this way, my father is 6'5" about 280, has a hand that's probably the size of your chest. He would have the right body type to play thor. I want thor to be a someone I don't think I could take in a fight. When he brings that hammer down I don't want it to look like some kid playing with a toy that's not for his age level.

If muscle mass is NOT what you're debating, then why did you keep commenting on how "skinny" you think Josh Holloway is? :huh:

Oh, and as far as your comment about me knowing the height of various actors: I don't. I just know how to use the internet. ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he's talking about body types. Josh Holloway may have a lot of rippling muscles, but he's still overall a pretty lean guy. He has more of a swimmer's build that doesn't really convey the massive presence that Thor needs. Probably not his fault; some people's bodies just don't get that big, no matter how much they work out.

[Hans]

I think he's talking about body types. Josh Holloway may have a lot of rippling muscles, but he's still overall a pretty lean guy. He has more of a swimmer's build that doesn't really convey the massive presence that Thor needs. Probably not his fault; some people's bodies just don't get that big, no matter how much they work out.

He's lean now, yeah. He's got a wide frame, though. His shoulders are wide, and he's waist is thick. That means his body could handle extra muscle, should he be so inclined to put it on.

Good examples are Brad Pitt and Ed Norton. Pitt was incredibly lean and muscular in Fight Club, but he was huge in Troy. Norton was thin and stringy in Fight Club, and huge in American History X.

[moraldeficiency]

I think he's talking about body types. Josh Holloway may have a lot of rippling muscles, but he's still overall a pretty lean guy. He has more of a swimmer's build that doesn't really convey the massive presence that Thor needs. Probably not his fault; some people's bodies just don't get that big, no matter how much they work out.

That's basically what I was saying.

Certian people also just look silly beefed up too much. I don't want a silly looking thor with giant muscles and a tiny little head.



Han's, I did call him skinny and that was a description of how I see him now, though you've obviously studied his body with a far more detailed eye than me. I still don't think he's big enough to look like an appropriate thor, regardless of how much muscle you're dreaming of putting on his frame.

[Hans]

Fair enough. I don't want whoever plays Thor to be ridiculously huge, though. Thor's a warrior. He needs to be able to maneuver and be quick on his feet, in addition to being a powerhouse.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm mostly just afraid that we'll end up with a Kevin Sorbo Hercules situation. Sure, Thor doesn't have to be super-jacked to be imposing, but he also can't look like a normal dude. The Legendary Journeys took it a bit too far the opposite way, sacrificing Hercules' physical presence with Sorbo.

Of course, any lack of musculature on the actor's part could easily be fixed by something we're all forgetting: armor. I seriously doubt any Thor movie is going to feature a Thor who's not covered from head (well, neck, at least) to toe in armor.

[Hans]

Oh, I didn't forget about the armor. That's just going to make Thor look even more badass, no matter who's under it. I hope they go the Son of Asgard route (and it sounds like that's what Marvel wants to do) and do the classic "circles" of Thor's comic book costume, but in a more realistic way. Throwing in Coipel's actual Norse runes into the design wouldn't hurt either.

Whatever they do, I just hope they downplay the Kirby aspect. For as much as I love him, his Thor and Asgard just would not translate onto the big screen. Give me a cross between Son of Asgard and Fraction's one-shot, and I'll be fine.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Kirby's idea of the Asgardians would definitely come across as goofy. Me, I'm hoping they work some fur into the design. Thor never looked quite so awesomely Norse as he did when he had that fur-trimmed cloak during the Lord of Asgard phase. :)

[Arkady Rossovich]

I'm looking into getting more Captain America,but the only omnibus I see is Brubaker's. What's some essential Cap reading? Or tpbs?

[GNR]

I'm looking into getting more Captain America,but the only omnibus I see is Brubaker's. What's some essential Cap reading? Or tpbs?

Waid and Gruenwald had some memorable stories.Check Amazon for the specific trades.

[TheCorpulent1]

If you can, get Waid and Garney's Captain America: To Serve and Protect TPB. It's the first few issues of their post-Heroes Reborn run, and it features such memorable events as Cap losing his shield, Cap hanging out with Thor and Hawkeye in a diner before kicking Batroc the Leaper's ass, and another Skrull plot to take over the world. :)

Another really great Cap trade is John Nay Reiber and Trevor Hairsine's Captain America: The Extremists. Probably my favorite story from that particular volume of Cap's comic (the Marvel Knights run).

[CaptainCanada]

Marvel is reprinting another Waid trade this summer, the first one, with Sharon's return from the fridge after nearly two decades.

[Kitsune]

That's basically what I was saying.

Certian people also just look silly beefed up too much. I don't want a silly looking thor with giant muscles and a tiny little head.



Han's, I did call him skinny and that was a description of how I see him now, though you've obviously studied his body with a far more detailed eye than me. I still don't think he's big enough to look like an appropriate thor, regardless of how much muscle you're dreaming of putting on his frame.
You mean like this?
http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Thrud%20sample%201.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, what the hell is that from?

Oh, and Brubaker mentioned that Bucky will indeed be in Secret Invasion (though I think we all knew that by now):
According to Brubaker, the new Captain America (Bucky Barnes) will make an appearance in the current Secret Invasion story arc. Not much information was shared, but Ed did tell fans that “There will be play… but not forced play.”

[Kitsune]

Haha, what the hell is that from?

Oh, and Brubaker mentioned that Bucky will indeed be in Secret Invasion (though I think we all knew that by now):

That's Thrud the barbarian... not to be confused with Thor's daughter Thrud from mythology.

[Vanguard07]

haha same person actually. Look closer at that picture.

[The Geek Vault]

Do you guys the cap in the shuttle is the real cap?

[CaptainCanada]

Not a chance in Hell.

[kguillou]

We saw Tony talking to Steve's dead rotting corpse in the Confession, i can't imagine any other possible way to prove that Steve is definitely dead and dead. But Marvel loves to tease...

[Anubis]

Caps not coming back to the MU until Issue 50 of his own book.

[kguillou]

Just in time for his movie in 2009. lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Caps not coming back to the MU until Issue 50 of his own book.
50 is a solid, round number that complements 25 nicely.

[venom892]

I'm loving the direction of the book.So I hope it's longer then 50.75 or even 100.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like it, but I would be glad to have Steve back by #50.

[Hans]

If by some strange twist of comic book fate, Brubaker and Epting wanted to have a really long run, I think bringing Cap back in #125 would be amazingly cool. One hundred issues without Steve is a hell of a thing. It would also be interesting to see how some people would react. I mean, 100 issues is a pretty good chunk of time. I'm sure a lot of people would start reading comics and see Bucky as their Captain America in the same way a lot of readers grew up with Dan Ketch as Ghost Rider.

[CaptainCanada]

Just in time for his movie in 2009. lol
The movie doesn't come out until 2011 now.

I recall one of Brubaker's interviews from a few months ago where he said he had initially had around 50 issues worth of story, but that now he felt it had expanded to at least 60.

I'm really interested to see what happens whenever we revisit the whole Doctor Doom story Brubaker laid foundations for in the 65th Anniversary Special/#23.

[TheCorpulent1]

What Doctor Doom story? The Skull just borrowed his time platform, probably to retrieve the Grand Director.

[Colossal Spoons]

Issue 50? That's like, forever away! :(

[CaptainCanada]

What Doctor Doom story? The Skull just borrowed his time platform, probably to retrieve the Grand Director.
The whole "Baron of Iron" thing; it seems pretty clear that Brubaker intends to do that story at some point (indeed, he's said he will be using Doom at some point in the future).

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, I forgot about that. Yeah, that should be interesting to see.

Although, wouldn't it be funny if the Baron of Iron turned out to be Tony Stark instead? :)

[Arkady Rossovich]

If you can, get Waid and Garney's Captain America: To Serve and Protect TPB. It's the first few issues of their post-Heroes Reborn run, and it features such memorable events as Cap losing his shield, Cap hanging out with Thor and Hawkeye in a diner before kicking Batroc the Leaper's ass, and another Skrull plot to take over the world. :)

Another really great Cap trade is John Nay Reiber and Trevor Hairsine's Captain America: The Extremists. Probably my favorite story from that particular volume of Cap's comic (the Marvel Knights run).

I keep on having a strange feeling that there will be a Stan Lee omnibus of Captain's adventures from the Golden or Silver age around the time of the movie comes out.:wow:

[The Geek Vault]

I'm still debating in my head if cap on the ship is a skrull or not. on one hand M-bird did say that cap brought them there so he could be the one guiding the ship, or the ond helping them escape.

[venom892]

I keep on having a strange feeling that there will be a Stan Lee omnibus of Captain's adventures from the Golden or Silver age around the time of the movie comes out.:wow:i would hope sooner as the Cap movie isn't for another three years.Also I pretty Sure that Cap is a Skull.No one is going to mess with Brubaker's story.Not even Bendis.

[Xofenroht]

The Cap on the ship is definitely a Skrull. The real Cap would've died taking them all on.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Captain America can handle a few Skrulls. :huh:

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I think Captain America can handle a few Skrulls. :huh:
he can and has its captain marvel that like to have his way with them.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Change Your Avy Corp!

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Change Your Avy Corp!
why should he?

[CaptainAmerica]

I think Cap is dead. I mean, when the Elektra Skrull died, she turned back into a Skrull but when Cap died nothing happened.

[Nightwing]

50 is a solid, round number that complements 25 nicely.
Agreed.

[Upset Spideyfan]

why should he?


Those squirrels are melting my brain! :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

You've just given me the greatest incentive not to change it.

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:)

[moraldeficiency]

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