The Official Captain America Thread

[KangConquers]

Theatre of War was awesome; definitely a must buy for Cap fans. It's a young Cap, so he's not quite the altruistic, experienced Steve Rogers yet, but it's got a great mood to it, and some kick ass action.


Thor #11 has a great Steve appearance.

[TheCorpulent1]

Theatre of War read really awkwardly to me. It felt like I was reading Ultimate Captain America instead of regular Cap. He was kind of a dick. :(

[Abstract]

What was up with the Ultimate Cap Annual? There wasn't a single character that acted like themselves until the last 3 pages. Jeph Loeb doesn't even seem like he's read the Ultimates before and its really frustrating to read.

[kguillou]

^^I know! WTF was up with Fury actin like such a douche towards T'challa, when Bendis portrayed him as very sympathetic towards him in Ultimate Origins? Jeph Loeb is a piece of work man, i wonder how Millar and Bendis can let Loeb s*** all over the characters they created? Boy can't wait for Ultimatum.

[Abstract]

Why were Tony, Fury and Jan so nasty towards Cap? I didn't understand that at all. Fair enough Tony's a drunk and is still dealing with the whole Widow thing, but he has no reason to blame Cap or act out towards him like that. While Fury and Cap have always been written like friends. I just don't get it at all.

Still, I really enjoyed the story of the Panther. I want to see more of him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, people hate Ultimate Cap? Finally, the Ultimate universe makes sense! ;)

[Blader5489]

There wasn't a single character that acted like themselves
Jeph Loeb

There's your answer.

[Abstract]

After reading that and Ultimates vol. 3 I swear he hasn't read a a single issue of the Ultimates.

[kguillou]

If i was mark millar i would smack the s***out of Loeb for destroying my characters like that. Loeb needs to go back to writing Batman, that obviously his forte.

[Abstract]

If i was mark millar i would smack the s***out of Loeb for destroying my characters like that. Loeb needs to go back to writing Batman, that obviously his forte.

Hush begs to differ . . . . .

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I think Loeb lost all his fortes.

[GNR]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/11/10/marvel-recruits-rocketeer-director-joe-johnston-for-captain-america-movie-so-what-do-you-think/

This is the same thing that happened when Jon was announced as director of Iron Man

people across the web were yelling out "the guy who directed Elf and Zathura?OMG THIS IS GONNA SUCK SO HARD!MARVEL IS STOOOPID,THEY ARE DONE!"

I think this is a solid choice,Favreau said he was pleased with alot of the art direction and look of the film at an Iron Man premiere in the summer in an interview with IESB.THR is reporting that alot of the current direction has to do with JJ's direction and ideas so that's good to hear.

Rocketeer was an awesome WW2 era film,JP3 had bigtime action pieces and October Sky was serious melodrama.This has potential.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like that The Rocketeer is in his repertoire. Other than that, I don't really know anything about him.

I'm still not crazy that they have to throw in "The First Avenger" in Cap's title, especially since it's not true in any way.

[Anubis]

I'm pretty hyped about it. Dude should do a good job. People see Jurassic Park 3 and jump to conclusions like a bunch of idiots. Like there are any directors out there that haven't made a stinker or two.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm actually more interested in the stunt coordinator they get to pull off the crazy-ass shield action that must--MUST--be included in the movie.

[Anubis]

Unless they're gonna go with the pointy shield. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Shut up.

[Anubis]

I'm just saying, be prepared for all sorts of Hollywood stupid. You never know when it might rear it's ugly, Joel Schumacher shaped head.

[TheCorpulent1]

Marvel's been pretty good with the movies since they started up their own studio. Even Hulk, which wasn't particularly great, was still pretty true to the comics and mostly just failed on its somewhat weak story rather than any silly Hollywood antics.

[Anubis]

I liked Hulk even more than Iron Man. I have no idea why more people didn't go see it, it was awesome. :( Plus we got a look at what Cap would be like.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but Cap would be even better because Tim Roth's character was all old and crappy when he got the physical upgrade.

[Mr. Green]

Marvel's been pretty good with the movies since they started up their own studio. Even Hulk, which wasn't particularly great, was still pretty true to the comics and mostly just failed on its somewhat weak story rather than any silly Hollywood antics.
So wait... You like the Rocketeer but The Incredible Hulk wasn't particularly great?

Are you on crack? In fact, **** the Rocketeer AND JP3 -- they both blew!

[Anubis]

You see, this is one of those punch you in the face moments.

[Mr. Green]

The Rocketeer was about as good as a comic written, penciled, inked, colored, and published by Rob Liefeld.

[yenaled]

I have to say I was really surprised by Hulk, not liking the comic or character I wasn't expecting to enjoy it at all but actually I thought it was really good fun - it was a lot like the 70s TV show.

I have to say, I disliked Iron Man quite a bit though.

Oh and the Rocketeer is a ****ing classic - it's a fantastic movie.

[Mr. Green]

I thought the Rocketeer was bad when I was a kid. That's how bad it was. Then about a year ago I thought, "Man, the Rocketeer has a cool concept and it sounds like it could be really good and I just didn't get it because I was a kid."

Nope. It still sucks. I defy anyone to actually say something that didn't suck about the movie. Was it the total lack of any real action or the retarded protagonist or the even more retarded villains?

[Darthphere]

I thought the Rocketeer was bad when I was a kid. That's how bad it was. Then about a year ago I thought, "Man, the Rocketeer has a cool concept and it sounds like it could be really good and I just didn't get it because I was a kid."

Nope. It still sucks. I defy anyone to actually say something that didn't suck about the movie. Was it the total lack of any real action or the retarded protagonist or the even more retarded villains?

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z139/darthphere_stuff/jennifer_connelly_016.jpg

[Anubis]

And that was pre-breast reduction too. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

She had a breast reduction?

[Anubis]

Yeah.

[TheCorpulent1]

Back problems or something?

[Captain Useless]

That's like slapping God across the face for giving you a beautiful gift.

[Anubis]

Back problems or something?


Yeah. I think it went out on her when she went "ASS TO ASS!!!" in Requiem for a Dream. Okay it didn't, but I just wanted to type "ASS TO ASS!!!".

[TheCorpulent1]

That scene was like the pinnacle of hotness for my friends and me in high school. Now, I can't seem to separate it from the emotional horror of the context, though.

[Anubis]

Growing up and having complicated thoughts sucks. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

It really does.

[Captain Useless]

That scene was like the pinnacle of hotness for my friends and me in high school. Now, I can't seem to separate it from the emotional horror of the context, though.

Same with me. Except it was the scene were Ms Goldfarb gets electrocuted.

[Anubis]

Well, some people like Scat, some people like bondage, you like octogenarians getting electrocuted. Whatever floats your boat man. :up:

[Dread]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/11/10/marvel-recruits-rocketeer-director-joe-johnston-for-captain-america-movie-so-what-do-you-think/

This is the same thing that happened when Jon was announced as director of Iron Man

people across the web were yelling out "the guy who directed Elf and Zathura?OMG THIS IS GONNA SUCK SO HARD!MARVEL IS STOOOPID,THEY ARE DONE!"

I think this is a solid choice,Favreau said he was pleased with alot of the art direction and look of the film at an Iron Man premiere in the summer in an interview with IESB.THR is reporting that alot of the current direction has to do with JJ's direction and ideas so that's good to hear.

Rocketeer was an awesome WW2 era film,JP3 had bigtime action pieces and October Sky was serious melodrama.This has potential.

I heard about this; the same director behind THE ROCKETEER and JURASSIC PARK III will be behind CAPTAIN AMERICA.

Some people are of mixed opinion about THE ROCKETEER, but I am not; I consider it a great, fun, 40's era superhero movie. Sure, it was PG, but it was a Disney action film that was going for all audiences in the early 90's; what do you expect? I thought the performances were fine and some of the "cheesy" aspects worked for the comic book style plot. And the costume for Rocketeer looked great. And, of course, Connelly, before she was making a living playing ****ed up women in most movies who rarely smile. THE ROCKETEER has stood the test of time for me and is easily in my Top 10 Superhero movie lists if I made one.

I never saw JURASSIC PARK III, but considering it was a hot franchise, naturally any director would jump at the chance to hop on.

Naturally, the hardest part about CAPTAIN AMERICA would be the casting; I could argue that casting Steve Rogers may be as hard or harder than casting Superman. No matter who you pick, everyone will hate it. And you have to cast someone who can both carry the role and who "looks/sounds" the part. There are plenty of actors who might be able to carry the pathos, but may not have the proper physique or commanding voice. And of course you can find a lot of macho-voiced muscle men who can't act in Hollywood. Thankfully most Marvel movies these days have moved past "celebrity casting" and do try to find the proper actors for roles; Robert Downy Jr. is hot stuff again now, but when he was cast for IRON MAN, he was still best known for his drug addictions and it was a possible risk for a wide audience.

Granted, you could claim that DAREDEVIL and GHOST RIDER went with "celebrity casting", but neither are as well known as Captain America. Virtually everyone on the street knows the name and could spot the costume on a poster.

Hopefully, CAPTAIN AMERICA would not be a PG film and would showcase him being a super-soldier beyond "guy who throws shield" like the horrid made-for-video film from the 90's. At the very least, THE ROCKETEER showcased the story of a normal guy who, through fate and circumstance, stumbles upon a key instrument for fighting against the Nazi's. Boiled down, Steve's story is, or should be, about a patriotic man who has the heart and soul of a hero, but doesn't get the body to match until the super-soldier process comes along, which brings new problems to his life.

If anything, it is good that Obama won the election for many reasons, but for this film, where the idea of patriotism has to be mentioned at least, Hollywood won't have as much of an axe to grind. Obama will be in the White House, the Democrats will control Congress, so Hollywood shouldn't be out to make "America is and always was evil" movies for a while, as they have for the past 7-8 years. This means that CAPTAIN AMERICA has a real chance to be balanced rather than knee-jerk in either direction.

[RockSP]

The Rocketeer was about as good as a comic written, penciled, inked, colored, and published by Rob Liefeld.

:cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

[Dread]

I often considered THE ROCKETEER a bit ahead of it's time. But that's just me.

Period pieces often struggled, especially in the 90's.

[Mr. Green]

I often considered THE ROCKETEER a bit ahead of it's time. But that's just me.

Period pieces often struggled, especially in the 90's.
No. T2 was ahead of it's time. The Rocketeer just sucked.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z139/darthphere_stuff/jennifer_connelly_016.jpg
Good point. :woot:
Yeah. I think it went out on her when she went "ASS TO ASS!!!" in Requiem for a Dream. Okay it didn't, but I just wanted to type "ASS TO ASS!!!".
LOL! :up:

[GNR]

JP3's script sucked,I mean how exciting can you make people stuck on an island getting chased by dinos the 3rd time around?Having said that,JP3 has the best action scenes of the entire franchise hands down.

Rocketeer was a great 40s era superhero film.I just hope the nazis in First Avenger are portrayed more realistically than they were in Rocketeer.

[Mr. Green]

I'm sure the Cap movie will be WAY better than JP3 or the Rocketeer.

[TheCorpulent1]

JP3's script sucked,I mean how exciting can you make people stuck on an island getting chased by dinos the 3rd time around?Having said that,JP3 has the best action scenes of the entire franchise hands down.

Rocketeer was a great 40s era superhero film.I just hope the nazis in First Avenger are portrayed more realistically than they were in Rocketeer.
Someone should send a memo to whoever ends up writing Cap's movie: "Schindler's List Nazis, not Rocketeer Nazis."

[Mr. Green]

Hahaha! :up:

[Dread]

C'mon, it was a Disney family adventure movie in the early 90's! Did you expect concentration camps in THE ROCKETEER? Christ, this is a company that still thinks the future of animation is talking/singing animals.

Obviously a CAPTAIN AMERICA film would need to be grittier, but note that Johnston did not write or produce THE ROCKETEER. It also was a long time ago. At least it is some experience with a 40's superhero property.

At least it isn't Seth Rogen on GREEN HORNET. As someone who has recently viewed and enjoyed the original 60's series, that flick is looking rather atrocious.

[Anubis]

I don't mind it. I just can't take Green Hornet seriously. It's gotta be rich poser dressing up and getting his ass kicked while his Asian kung fu side kick does all the work and gets none of the credit. That's the way the movie should be, that's what they're gonna do. So nuts to you. :p

[Dread]

I don't mind it. I just can't take Green Hornet seriously. It's gotta be rich poser dressing up and getting his ass kicked while his Asian kung fu side kick does all the work and gets none of the credit. That's the way the movie should be, that's what they're gonna do. So nuts to you. :p

I actually saw it as an attempt at a more serious superhero pulp show; it had some bizarre criminals at times but had murder mysteries every week and decent special effects. However, the cheestastic BATMAN show was all the rage, so it got buried.

The Green Hornet himself was a capable enough fighter in that show; he could outfight 1-2 men without much problem, and often had his gadgets like the Hornet Gun or Hornet Sting (this metal pole thingie that would blow through doors or locks). Naturally, though Kato was a better fighter overall, plowing through 3-5 men without much problem when he could. The actor for Green Hornet (Van Williams) tried to get the studio to focus more on Bruce Lee's Kato character because he was popular, but this was in the mid-late 60's and the producers still considered it taboo to upstage a "white" actor for an Asian one. In the end, though, it worked as a more serious pulp hero show for me. Aside for a wisecrack or two at times the tone wasn't comedy at all.

Frankly, it only got really bad when the pair crossed over into BATMAN's show for two episodes and Kato had to fight Burt Ward's Robin. There was really no way Robin had a chance, but it had to end in a "Mexican standoff" (the announcer's words).

[The Major]

I don't mind it. I just can't take Green Hornet seriously. It's gotta be rich poser dressing up and getting his ass kicked while his Asian kung fu side kick does all the work and gets none of the credit. That's the way the movie should be, that's what they're gonna do. So nuts to you. :p

The original radio serials were much more serious IIRC.

That type of stuff wasn't going to happen in the 60's. That's why people still think that tv show is how Green Hornet is supposed to be like.

I'd love to see a serious GH movie but Seth Rogen has pretty much killed that idea for a few generations.

[Congo Jack]

I started buying all Brubaker's Captain America in trades after hearing from about four hundred different sources how great it was. Ages ago, I seen a letter/message that Bru wrote for the first issue where he mentions various writers artrists - could someone be cool and tell me what creative teams he mentioned, or if you've got it handy maybe post a scan?

[GNR]

Reading through Winter Soldier Vol.2,I loved the way Bru utilized SHIELD here and throughout his whole run.I hope the Avengers movie is able to do it in similar fashion.

[TheCorpulent1]

What do you mean? That SHIELD was moving the plot along without being obtrusive?

[The Sage]

Was thinking about picking up Cap trades. What are the best ones? What's a really good origin tale?

[GNR]

Was thinking about picking up Cap trades. What are the best ones? What's a really good origin tale?

if you're going to follow the current run,all of Bru's trades are a must

origin tale?pick up Mythos:Captain America #1 by Jenkins and Rivera

[Congo Jack]

Was thinking about picking up Cap trades. What are the best ones?
VARIOUS
Marvel Visionaries: Jim Steranko (Lee/Steranko)
Captain America: War and Remembrance (Stern/Byrne)
Captain America: Operation Rebirth (Waid/Garney)

ED BRUBAKER
Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Vol. 1
Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Vol. 2
Captain America: Red Menace, Vol. 1
Captain America: Red Menace, Vol. 2
Civil War: Captain America
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 1
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 2
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 3 (coming Feb 2009)

What's a really good origin tale?
MYTHOS: CAPTAIN AMERICA #1 retells the origin, and the first issue of THE ULTIMATES by Millar and Hitch I think is a superb World War II/origin issue.

[The Sage]

if you're going to follow the current run,all of Bru's trades are a must

origin tale?pick up Mythos:Captain America #1 by Jenkins and Rivera

VARIOUS
Marvel Visionaries: Jim Steranko (Lee/Steranko)
Captain America: War and Remembrance (Stern/Byrne)
Captain America: Operation Rebirth (Waid/Garney)

ED BRUBAKER
Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Vol. 1
Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Vol. 2
Captain America: Red Menace, Vol. 1
Captain America: Red Menace, Vol. 2
Civil War: Captain America
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 1
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 2
Captain America: The Death of Captain America, Vol. 3 (coming Feb 2009)


MYTHOS: CAPTAIN AMERICA #1 retells the origin, and the first issue of THE ULTIMATES by Millar and Hitch I think is a superb World War II/origin issue.

Thanks. :up:

[CaptainCanada]

Captain America #44 preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1430&disp=table), at CBR.

[TheCorpulent1]

Weird to see Bucky all evil with short hair. I always associated short-haired Winter Soldier with good Bucky and long-haired Winter Soldier with brainwashed Bucky. I guess maybe by '68 he hadn't been out of suspended animation long enough for his hair to grow too long.

[Anubis]

Great ass.

[Congo Jack]

Marvel Visionaries: Jim Steranko (Lee/Steranko)
In case someone was thinking of getting this, try Marvel Masterworks: Captain America Vol. 3 instead. I didn't know this collection existed until now, but it's better than the above collection for Cap as it has all the Steranko stuff, plus Stan Lee and Jack Kirby collaborating for 8 issues too.

[KangConquers]

Thanks. :up:

Another absolute necessary arc (possibly my favorite Cap trade) is the Secret Empire, and it's follow up Nomad. It's about Cap losing faith in his country and reexamining all he believes in. Good stuff.

[GNR]

I've been tempted to go back and pick up some trades of the older stuff for a variety of characters (Cap,FF,Thor,etc) but the thing that always keeps me away is the dialog.

I started reading comics religiously post 2000,so going back and reading some of the older stuff is always a bit hard to get thru.No disrespect though.

[TheCorpulent1]

If you start in the '80s for Thor, you should be all right. The stuff I have trouble with is the really early Journey Into Mystery issues. Thor's powers changed every issue, plus the silly dialogue, plus the boring "Loki concocts new plan, attacks Thor" plot recycling, etc. They laid the groundwork for the character, but you can tell they came from a very unrefined era in comics.

[GNR]

Yea the Simonson run is one I hear about alot.

[SpideyInATree]

I have really been digging Captain America still. Thank God they seem to be moving forward with Bucky and letting him adjust into becoming the next Captain America. Brubaker has been doing such a great job with the transition I hope that he stays on this book for a long time to come. I would love to see what they are going to do with the Red Skull next. Man, that was very awesome stuff.

Is Luke Ross going to be the ongoing artist for the book? Because I am REALLY going to miss Steve Epting on this book.

[Texas]

I have really been digging Captain America still. Thank God they seem to be moving forward with Bucky and letting him adjust into becoming the next Captain America. Brubaker has been doing such a great job with the transition I hope that he stays on this book for a long time to come. I would love to see what they are going to do with the Red Skull next. Man, that was very awesome stuff.

Is Luke Ross going to be the ongoing artist for the book? Because I am REALLY going to miss Steve Epting on this book.

Epting is staying on as far as we know and Ross will contribute as fill in artist much like Perkins did :cwink:

[CaptainCanada]

Is Luke Ross going to be the ongoing artist for the book? Because I am REALLY going to miss Steve Epting on this book.
Ross and Epting are both on the book; Ross draws the next two issues, then Epting does an arc.

[SpideyInATree]

Ok that is good news then. Thanks for the info guys. Not to knock Luke Ross but Epting has seriously set the tone for this book for quite some time. Adjusting to someone else would be a difficult transition.

Much like the transition from Mark Bagley to Stuart Immonen over in Ultimate Spider-Man. It took about a year for me to get adjusted to Immonen's style.

[GNR]

Ross is good,but sometimes his faces look sloppy or his facial expressions just completely miss the mark.

[GNR]

The "package" that the UN biohazard truck is transporting?

The remains of Jim Hammond,I'm betting on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ross is good,but sometimes his faces look sloppy or his facial expressions just completely miss the mark.
I agree. He seems like a decent artist who's stretching himself to meet a whole new level of expectations. Great for him as an artist, I'm sure, but it does lead to some awkward panels. The whole is still pretty great, though.

[Captain Useless]

I agree. He seems like a decent artist who's stretching himself to meet a whole new level of expectations. Great for him as an artist, I'm sure, but it does lead to some awkward panels. The whole is still pretty great, though.

The action is superb :up:

[Dread]

I like Like Ross' art. :huh:

Repost of my review, with spoilers:

CAPTAIN AMERICA #44: CA reviews can get very boring; there is only so many ways to write the same thing. I know the book is good. You know the book is good. Is there really a point to more? If you're not enjoying the title, you're either a die hard Rogers fan bitter about the death, or haven't given it a try.

Very well. After another awesome Epting cover, part 2 of this 3 part story naturally continues with flashbacks and present action. After saving Chinese prodigy Zhang Chin in the 40's, Bucky returned to him by 1968, but by then he was the brainwashed Winter Soldier, cryogenically thawed out for covert Cold War assassinations and merc missions. In present day, a figure from that era, perhaps both Chin and his mysterious, demonic protector, are involved in a mission involving stolen U.N. items. This leads to Widow and New Cap investigating, and Buck walking into a trap set up by the mastermind as well as Batroc the Leaper.

Speaking of Batroc, honestly, THIS is how to make a villain cool. Brubaker hasn't made Batroc into a serial killer wearing black leather. He hasn't made him a hero. He even kept the orange and purple color scheme and the high school French words sprinkled into his speech. But what he has made Batroc is more professional. His outfit is more functional, but not in that obnoxious Bryan Hitch way (thanks, Luke Ross, who is filling in for Epting fine). With Brubaker's sense of action pacing, his high flying savate is actually very interesting. And Batroc knows fighting styles to know when he is fighting the same man twice regardless of a mask. And fights atop moving vehicles always equal cool. Brubaker's always managed that balance between espionage and balls-to-the-wall action pacing, and can actually PACE IT (instead of, oh, Bendis, who seems to delight in one cluster**** group Royal Rumble after another), and always has artists in Epting, Perkins, or Ross who can draw it elegantly.

I haven't the foggiest who the "mystery man" is, but I like his creepy design, and I am sure the last issue will explain it all. After the long grind of the Red Skull story a three issue arc is a nice breather. I also am enjoying that Buck & Widow are now a couple and all but partners in their crusade. The tone of the story of course is that Bucky may be Captain America now, but he did have that dark past that he sometimes uses for his missions for intel, but also can come back to haunt him. As a former manipulated spy, Romanov fits into his life very well. DC keeps trying to rip this run off with some of their Batman stories, and that is all they can do; TRY.

Not everything has to be a grand conspiracy and I am enjoying this newfound adventure as the era of New Cap boldly continues. Still hope Brubaker plans to stay past issue #50. I can't imagine the franchise without him anymore. Hell, without him, I was never inclined to leap aboard.

Newsarama also did another interview with Brubaker that for once didn't start with the title, CAPTAIN AMERICA IS STILL DEAD. It only took what felt like a decade.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/110828-CapCatchup-Ed.html

(granted, some of the Newsarama bloggers have been laid off, so maybe acting stupid wasn't a given anymore).

CAPTAIN AMERICA #46 apparently will guest star Namor.

[CaptainCanada]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/ColonelGreen/Previews_0001.jpg
So it indeed looks like New Cap will be taking his place in the New Avengers, alongside Luke Cage, Ronin, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ms. Marvel, and Spider-Woman (not on this cover, but a later one).

[Dread]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/ColonelGreen/Previews_0001.jpg
So it indeed looks like New Cap will be taking his place in the New Avengers, alongside Luke Cage, Ronin, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ms. Marvel, and Spider-Woman (not on this cover, but a later one).

Bummer. I was looking for a reason to drop NA. Now I need to stick on to see how badly Bendis ****'s Bucky up.

[Congo Jack]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/ColonelGreen/Previews_0001.jpg
So it indeed looks like New Cap will be taking his place in the New Avengers, alongside Luke Cage, Ronin, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ms. Marvel, and Spider-Woman (not on this cover, but a later one).
If Marvel had announced this instead of all those Classified Solicitations then I would have been on-board. That is a great line-up for NEW AVENGERS. More Bucky/Wolvie interaction should be a good thing, but Bendis can't write a good Logan in a team book.

[Spade]

Unless something happens in New Avengers that requires me to read it, I'll stick to the main title. That's what I did with Thor even after he appeared in Secret Invasion, and JMS hasn't made me regret that. I doubt Brubaker will in Bucky's case, either.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm probably still gonna pass on New Avengers in spite of Bucky's appearance. I'll be getting Mighty Avengers anyway, and all the Avengers comics are bumping up to the $3.99 price with their next issues. That makes them especially expendable when coupled with how badly manhandled the franchise has become.

[Dread]

Seriously? AVENGERS books that sell well and are ongoings are going up a buck? Damn.

[Blacklight]

Seriously? AVENGERS books that sell well and are ongoings are going up a buck? Damn.
That's retarded.

[Dread]

That's retarded.

That's greed and daring your costumers to leave like in the 90's or trade wait and dare the collapse of the direct market.

Or, high cost of paper. Take your pick.

[TheCorpulent1]

Every time I open a comic and can't see half the stuff on a page because of the glare off those slick pages, I curse Marvel and DC for abandoning newsprint. It'd make the comics cheaper and it wouldn't be so bloody obnoxious. Win-f***ing-win.

[Blader5489]

Bummer. I was looking for a reason to drop NA. Now I need to stick on to see how badly Bendis ****'s Bucky up.

Why don't you just send me a check for $3.99 every month? Seems like it'd be a better way to spend money that you clearly don't need. And it would save you some aggravation from having to read NA.

Win-win.

[Vanguard07]

people need to stop saying win-win now

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

New Avengers

Luke Cage
Captain America (Bucky)
Spider-Man
Ms. Marvel
Ronin (Hawkeye)
Wolverine
Spider-Woman

Maybe Mockingbird?

[Vanguard07]

They need Iron Fist to stay. He's too awesome to not have in two ongoing titles.

[TheCorpulent1]

Iron Fist did absolutely nothing worthwhile in New Avengers. He was just a face on a few pages out of each issue. Better to just leave him off the team than have him stick around to look like a useless do-nothing.

[GNR]

Bummer. I was looking for a reason to drop NA. Now I need to stick on to see how badly Bendis ****'s Bucky up.

just drop the book and put that money elsewhere on something worth reading!

[Vanguard07]

I dont know if you noticed this Corpy but NOBODY did anything worthwhile on the New Avengers roster. They've ALL sucked balls and been nothing more than talking heads.

When I say I'd prefer Iron Fist to stay, I mean that in an ideal world where things actually happen in my Avengers comics. Iron Fist IMO would make an excellent Avenger and if he's gonna be then I cant think of a better roster for him to do it than this currently proposed one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pray for him to be on the Mighty Avengers at some point, then. ;)

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Luke is part of NA, Fist will show up from time to time.

[Belvedere]

Can't we hope that perhaps the cover's misleading (because that never happens) and Bucky's not on New Avengers? :(

[Spade]

We already have preview pages that confirm he's in it.

[Belvedere]

We already have preview pages that confirm he's in it.

Oh. :cmad:

Hopefully Brubaker doesn't acknowledge anything going on with him over in New Avengers, then.

[prince_dylan]

Brubaker will do it in a slight way, like how he mentioned Cap's appearance in Secret Invasion at the beginning of this current Captain America arc.

[TheCorpulent1]

As long as it doesn't interfere with Brubaker's stories, I don't mind.

[CaptainCanada]

Steve being in the NA didn't, so I doubt it will.

[kguillou]

They need to keep iron fist, he's at the peak of his popularity right now thanks to Brubaker and having him on an avengers team would capitalize on that. Plus he and Luke are buddies and have great chemistry together.

[Vanguard07]

He also has pretty good chemistry with both Spiderman and Wolverine, both of whom will likely work well with Bucky IMO. It'd be like a chemistry pentagram

[kguillou]

Wolverine's the only one who knows Bucky tho, To spidey, luke and the rest, Bucky is a newcomer, it'll be interesting to see how makes his way into becoming the leader of the team, i'm sure not everybody is gonna be ok with that.

[GNR]

Jenkins is penning 3 Theater of War specials next year,maybe 4.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120808-Jenks-Caps.html

Looking forward to it,his Mythos Captain America was a good stuff.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine's the only one who knows Bucky tho, To spidey, luke and the rest, Bucky is a newcomer, it'll be interesting to see how makes his way into becoming the leader of the team, i'm sure not everybody is gonna be ok with that.
Unless, of course, Bucky reveals his identity to the other New Avengers. Then everyone would know him and probably instantly fall in line behind him. The guy was Captain America's partner when most of the New Avengers' parents were in diapers, after all.

[CaptainCanada]

According to a Bendis interview on IGN, the New Avengers will be living at Bucky's house.

[BrianWilly]

Unless, of course, Bucky reveals his identity to the other New Avengers. Then everyone would know him and probably instantly fall in line behind him. The guy was Captain America's partner when most of the New Avengers' parents were in diapers, after all.Or it might make everyone disrespect him even more. I mean, it's Bucky. Before Brubaker penetrated him with the penis of Awesome, he was just...Bucky.

[Darthphere]

Bucky...the kid that punched Hitler in the jaw and fought side by side with Captain America and the Invaders. Someone they respected enough to hang with. Yeah, what a lame ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

According to a Bendis interview on IGN, the New Avengers will be living at Bucky's house.
You mean Steve's SHIELD-provided apartment? I wonder how that'll work in light of recent events... :huh:

[Darthphere]

You would think they would drop the HAMMER on that housing deal.

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but points off for the pun. :o

[Darthphere]

I hate myself for doing that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope someone at Marvel has the good sense to keep SHIELD operating throughout the rest of the world. Imagine what a great conflict that would create. SHIELD and HAMMER at each other's throats anytime HAMMER goes outside the US.

[Darthphere]

And Nick Fury just kicking both their asses.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, with his Secret Warriors, who honestly weren't very interesting at all. I would wonder how their series will survive, but Bendis' name is on it so the sheep will happily gobble it up and Newsarama and CBR will give it way more coverage than it deserves, I'm sure.

[GNR]

I need my Fury fix

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd like a non-Bendisy Fury fix, myself. Maybe Brubaker will find a way to work him back into Captain America now that he doesn't have to be as underground as he was before.

[Blader5489]

Yeah, with his Secret Warriors, who honestly weren't very interesting at all. I would wonder how their series will survive, but Bendis' name is on it so the sheep will happily gobble it up and Newsarama and CBR will give it way more coverage than it deserves, I'm sure.

It's not like Bendis is writing it.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's co-writing it with Hickman, isn't he?

[Blader5489]

Hickman's writing all of it. Bendis said the only reason his name is on the book is because he created the characters.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, I see. Well, I might just check it out, then.

[Franklin Richards]

I wonder where Dum-Dum's gonna go? Now that Nick is giving his closest ally the cold shoulder.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Hickman will deal with it in Secret Warriors. It'd be a shame if Dum-Dum just vanished off the scene. I always liked him.

[Darthphere]

Hickman's writing all of it. Bendis said the only reason his name is on the book is because he created the characters.

And because he's an egomaniac.

[prince_dylan]

yeah, I don't think any other creators put their names on books because they created the characters.

[SuGarRush]

Hey guys,

I'm just dropping in to ask a question.

Is Steve back yet? Or are we still on Captain Bucky?

If he isn't back yet, do we have an ETA?

Just wondering, I'm really starting to hurt for a Captain America fix...

[prince_dylan]

Steve Rogers is dead. His ghost made an appearance in Thor. Bucky is Captain America. Come back to the fold.

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah, I don't think any other creators put their names on books because they created the characters.
Well, Stan Lee's name is still in pretty much every comic Marvel publishes with that "Stan Lee presents" thing before the titles.

[prince_dylan]

I'm talking about the byline.

[SuGarRush]

Steve Rogers is dead. His ghost made an appearance in Thor. Bucky is Captain America. Come back to the fold.


Never. I refuse. :woot:


New Cap is NOT Captain America to me. I've tried, I just can't like him.
It doesn't work for me.

Oh well.

One less book to buy each month. I'm dropping titles left and right. :whatever:

[Dread]

Suit yourself. CAPTAIN AMERICA is one of the best superhero comics out there and one of Marvel's best books, IMO.

[Colossal Spoons]

I had no attachment to Steve so it wasn't hard to give Bucky a chance :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I had a huge attachment to Steve, but I'm sure he'll be back so I'm enjoying Bucky's stories while they last.

[Anubis]

So you know....you suck suga pants.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even know what suga pants are. How could I suck them? :huh:

[Anubis]

Well....with your lips....but be careful, they disolve pretty quickly.....and they will not call you the next day. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

That's always a problem for me. :csad:

[Not_Sane]

i kinda stopped reading captain america after steve died, what happened to his girlfriend, wasn't she going crazy or something, could someone tell me?

[GNR]

no just do yourself a favor and read it

[Upset Spideyfan]

i kinda stopped reading captain america after steve died, what happened to his girlfriend, wasn't she going crazy or something, could someone tell me?

She got the Legacy Virus and became vampire-like monster and ate the Red Skull right before she died.

[prince_dylan]

That's not EVEN how the Legacy virus works...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, obviously she became a werewolf, not a vampire. Pff, this guy... :o

[RockSP]

No she became Legacy...hence the name of the virus. She sprouted a pony tail and a leather jacket out of nowhere.

http://www.leaderslair.com/legacy/captainmarvel4-1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Ssa6.jpg/386px-Ssa6.jpg

[SpideyInATree]

Suit yourself. CAPTAIN AMERICA is one of the best superhero comics out there and one of Marvel's best books, IMO.

Yeah I am totally going to agree with this. Just start with Captain America Volume 5 # 1 and just enjoy the ride. You will NOT be disappointed...and if you are...well, I don't know what to tell you nothing will probably please you.

[MightyAvenge]

Hulk is WAY BETTER than Captain America.

[Kevin]

:dry: x 2

[MightyAvenge]

Way better!!!

[FVD]

I only just started from the beginning of the Brubaker run a couple weeks ago and I'm loving every second of it. Even that Issue 7 which focused fully on the fate of Jack Monroe was very cool. Nice to see a cameo by Jane Foster too.

Now I bulk ordered Issues 1-24 with the exception of Issue 14. I won't press any further until I've gotten my hands on the last issue of the Winter Soldier arc. It's awesome how Brubaker has brought back Bucky dismissing everything we've known about Bucky until now. However I have already read the now classic #25 up to Issue 28 and I already read the tie ins to the Civil War (That's what drew me to reading the Brubaker run in the first place).

And now I have a long way to go. Sure I can download Issue 14 but I'd much rather have the real thing. Can't wait. Just ordered the 65th Anniversary issue now too.

[TheCorpulent1]

New Cap fans are always good. :up:

[Dread]

Indeed, welcome to the fold. I started on the Brubaker Omnibus and never looked back. :up:

[JustABill]

I kinda hope Steve never comes back. His legacy should just carry on through Bucky. Same goes for Janet, whose legacy should continue through Hank himself.

Though I know someone at Marvel already has their cogs turning about how to return Steve and probably Janet as well.

[Dread]

I don't know. Hank taking Janet's codename is something of a Norman Bates kind of moment. But, in terms of New Cap, yeah, it fits, and I am liking it.

I'd like Hank Pym to just go by that, and grow a pair. :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Hank taking Jan's name is only a "Norman Bates" kind of moment because of your own weird neuroses, dude. "The Wasp" is a fine name for a man or a woman, and it's sweet that Hank is honoring Jan in such a personal way.
I kinda hope Steve never comes back. His legacy should just carry on through Bucky. Same goes for Janet, whose legacy should continue through Hank himself.

Though I know someone at Marvel already has their cogs turning about how to return Steve and probably Janet as well.
Most likely Ed Brubaker in the former case. I don't think Bucky's run as Cap was ever intended to be permanent.

[JustABill]

Brubaker better have a hella good resurrection story for Steve is all I gotta say. If it's not worthy of Bucky's kick ass (so far) run as Cap then he will have hell to pay from me. :cmad:

[Dread]

Hank taking Jan's name is only a "Norman Bates" kind of moment because of your own weird neuroses, dude. "The Wasp" is a fine name for a man or a woman, and it's sweet that Hank is honoring Jan in such a personal way.

Most likely Ed Brubaker in the former case. I don't think Bucky's run as Cap was ever intended to be permanent.

It would be really hard to top some of his Bucky-as-Cap stuff. Especially as it would seem that you'd need some semi-mystical explanation to revive Steve, and usually that isn't what Brubaker's CA run is about.

As for Pym, I go into greater detail explaining my position here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=316767

[TheCorpulent1]

Brubaker better have a hella good resurrection story for Steve is all I gotta say. If it's not worthy of Bucky's kick ass (so far) run as Cap then he will have hell to pay from me. :cmad:
Personally, I think Bucky will stick around even if Cap comes back for exactly that reason. Sometimes--very rarely--good characters with good stories behind them get rewarded with a continued presence even when their "purpose," in the strictest sense, has been served.

[Dread]

Personally, I think Bucky will stick around even if Cap comes back for exactly that reason. Sometimes--very rarely--good characters with good stories behind them get rewarded with a continued presence even when their "purpose," in the strictest sense, has been served.

The only caveat though is that if Brubaker revives Cap, even to have him retire and let Bucky carry the mantle a bit, I doubt it would be long before the next writer just got things back to status quo.

The downside to a legacy is that if you move backwards, the growth was pointless. After everything to become New Cap, it would make Buck sort of feel like he wasted his time just to move aside for Steve. Kind of like Kyle having to back off when Hal came back. Or Wally having a diminished role because Barry is back. It would suck.

Bucky's movement to the mantle has been handled as well as Wally and Kyle were, and I hope Marvel editorial isn't nearly as shortsighted as DC's to trade new fans for older ones. Steve Rogers NEVER sold 70k an issue without a crossover, least not during the Joe Q tenure. It would be folly to muck with that too much, too soon.

[Obi-Ron]

Though I know someone at Marvel already has their cogs turning about how to return Steve and probably Janet as well.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it'll happen when the Avengers movie comes out.

[TheCorpulent1]

The only caveat though is that if Brubaker revives Cap, even to have him retire and let Bucky carry the mantle a bit, I doubt it would be long before the next writer just got things back to status quo.

The downside to a legacy is that if you move backwards, the growth was pointless. After everything to become New Cap, it would make Buck sort of feel like he wasted his time just to move aside for Steve. Kind of like Kyle having to back off when Hal came back. Or Wally having a diminished role because Barry is back. It would suck.

Bucky's movement to the mantle has been handled as well as Wally and Kyle were, and I hope Marvel editorial isn't nearly as shortsighted as DC's to trade new fans for older ones. Steve Rogers NEVER sold 70k an issue without a crossover, least not during the Joe Q tenure. It would be folly to muck with that too much, too soon.
And yet, the return of those Silver Agers has increased sales for DC on those franchises (yeah, Flash: Rebirth hasn't happened yet, but you know it'll easily outsell the pitiful current numbers of Wally's series).

[Dread]

And yet, the return of those Silver Agers has increased sales for DC on those franchises (yeah, Flash: Rebirth hasn't happened yet, but you know it'll easily outsell the pitiful current numbers of Wally's series).

I think it depends on the name and hype.

I'd rather not have Bucky sort of fall down the irrelevant well for a while, is all.

Plus, Kyle and Wally got some 10-20 years at least beforehand, hence why the returns were big. Less than five? Not unless fans are as gullible as Joe Q believes.

[CaptainCanada]

And yet, the return of those Silver Agers has increased sales for DC on those franchises (yeah, Flash: Rebirth hasn't happened yet, but you know it'll easily outsell the pitiful current numbers of Wally's series).To at least a certain extent, one could attribute that to putting big name creative teams on the titles and hyping them a lot (and genuinely telling great stories with them).

[kguillou]

I say if Steve has to come back, AT LEAST give Bucky a good 5 years as Cap. There's so much story potential with him the thing practically writes itself.

[Dread]

I say if Steve has to come back, AT LEAST give Bucky a good 5 years as Cap. There's so much story potential with him the thing practically writes itself.

Agreed. :up:

[chamber-music]

Steve Rogers will be back by the time Marvel has a Captain America movie ready to come out.

When he does comeback I wanna see Bucky back as Winter Soldier.

[CaptainCanada]

Can't see him using that name; it's his name as a Soviet assassin.

On an unrelated note, Tom Brevoort's latest blog entry includes an Epting page (http://www.marvel.com/globals/view_generic.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1355new_storyimage0129893_full.jpg) from #46.

[Angelus]

I think it depends on the name and hype.

I'd rather not have Bucky sort of fall down the irrelevant well for a while, is all.

Plus, Kyle and Wally got some 10-20 years at least beforehand, hence why the returns were big. Less than five? Not unless fans are as gullible as Joe Q believes.

If I may give the novice point of view (because I just dabble-I collect the rare comic here and there), I'm sure most of you guys know all the storylines and can fill in any blanks:

when Superman died it was big news and I made sure I got the comic
when Spidy changed costumes I got that one
when the Civil War started I bought as much as possible
when Cap died I bought that one

I am so unaware that Kid Flash is now the Flash and most anything else going on in DC. My point is DC doesn't do alot to draw me in or make me even curious. If they want to stay with tradition I believe many people will be much like me just hear news every now and then and don't buy anything. They need to shake things up.

Kill somebody major permanatly, let the Villians take over, have Batman go broke and have his Identity exposed. Make the Green Latern a Villian.

I am not too thrilled with Marvel right now either but at least they make things interesting from time to time.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, if it's any consolation, DC's starting to follow Marvel's example. Superman's leaving Earth and won't be the star of Action Comics for the first time ever, Batman's sidekicks are going to be fighting over who gets to be the next Batman, Green Lantern's gonna fight a bunch of ring-wielding zombies, the Silver Age Flash is returning, and something's going on with Wonder Woman soon. Change as a means of generating a quick buck. :up:

[GNR]

yea so how awesome was #45?

despite some awkward Luke Ross moments,the action scenes were well done

[bryanss3]

Well, if it's any consolation, DC's starting to follow Marvel's example. Superman's leaving Earth and won't be the star of Action Comics for the first time ever, Batman's sidekicks are going to be fighting over who gets to be the next Batman, Green Lantern's gonna fight a bunch of ring-wielding zombies, the Silver Age Flash is returning, and something's going on with Wonder Woman soon. Change as a means of generating a quick buck. :up:

I wouldn't say following Marvel's example, but DC has always got a lot of stuff going on this is just bigger stuff cause its a lot of the Flagship heroes at once.

[TheCorpulent1]

And it all sort of sucks.

[bryanss3]

yup it all sucks.... actually a lot of it is good

[Dread]

Repost of my review of the last issue, with spoilers:

CAPTAIN AMERICA #45: The ending of this three issue arc, but in a way not the end of the story as it is merely a prelude to a bigger one. It is in this way that Brubaker has proven a master at the serial storytelling art in CA. Rather than finishing stories in neat tidy trades 4-6 issues at a time, his stories flow from one issue to the other where actions have reactions and past details are brought up. Enough happens in every issue that one never feels like "nothing happened" as is far too common with a lot of decompressed writers. This "finale" is another sign of that.

We learn that the mysterious man is "The Man With No Face", a Chinese super soldier type of being that Bucky encountered during his Winter Soldier days who now has returned in a scheme to steal a top secret artifact from the U.N. with the mercenary Batroc the Leaper in tow. "Faceless Man" has a creepy design and is virtually invincible save for electrical shocks, which stun him. New Cap tries valiantly to stop the theft and hold off the villains, but ultimately needs Black Widow to bail him out with "Faceless Man" and the baddies escape with their loot. As some predicted, it turns out to be the andriod corpse of the 1940's Human Torch, who died several years ago. Appalled by his old Invaders ally being experimented on, James vows to do right by his old comrade, and of course this justifies why Namor would show up in later issues. Whether as allies or adversaries, Namor and Hammond always went way back.

The cover is good although looks similar to some others in the arc, enough that I had to do a double take to make sure it was not a duplicate issue. Not everyone has been a fan of Ross' art but I thought he was a capable fill-in for Epting, who is due to return. Part of me likes the idea of James keeping some elements of the past from Black Widow because she wouldn't let him complete the mission otherwise. CA has always been a balance of superhero and espionage and that clearly hasn't been effected with Steve's death; in fact it has increased with Bucky's Winter Soldier past; it is a clear example of a retcon that worked because it added so much to the mythos.

The fight sequence between New Cap, Faceless Man, Batroc and the others is the usually goodness from Brubaker; whether it is Epting or other artists, it always flows well, looks quite cinematic and is always exciting. Quite a lot of "action" writers could learn a thing or two from him.

Not much more to comment, as there never is with CAPTAIN AMERICA. It is a reliably good title, has been for years, and one either is reading it or not. It sells within the Top 10-15 like it deserves, which is a happy coincidence; quality is rarely rewarded in sales. While everyone is seemingly counting down the months before Steve's return, I maintain that Brubaker has created that rare awesome legacy and it would be folly to throw it all into the dustbin in favor of a perennial status quo. At the very least, give him years to define himself as a proper Captain America, rather than a stunt. The proper evolution of Bucky was as Captain America; without that, a lot of the good stories to come of the death may as well have never happened. For once, let a franchise evolve instead of simply changing the paint (oh, if only the X-Men or Spider-Man could do that). Brubaker's done that, and it is a rare thing to be supported and cherished, least while it lasts.

Sales have remained solid; unlike other titles, where spikes in sales happen due to crossover tie-in's, CA has often gone through spikes simply at various points in the story; CA sold 72k in October while over 75k in November; even a variant cover wouldn't amount to that increase entirely. It is selling about double what it was during some of the first 1-2 years during the run. It is a hit on every level, for clear and obvious reasons. This issue is no exception. In fact, picturing CA without Brubaker is almost hard to fathom; we have a writer in his peak still doing a masterwork run. If there is any justice, he will last on CA at least as long as JMS meandered on ASM (which was about 7 years).

[GNR]

I hope Jim Hammond sticks around.

[THANOSRULES]

It would be really hard to top some of his Bucky-as-Cap stuff. Especially as it would seem that you'd need some semi-mystical explanation to revive Steve, and usually that isn't what Brubaker's CA run is about.

As for Pym, I go into greater detail explaining my position here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=316767


Well he already went there with the Red Skull/ Cosmic cube jazz.

On those grounds, he's not been shy about the concept of clones, we've even seen 2 clones steve rogers (skulls shot body and The director), the whole sharon baby thing etc..arnim zola and the skulls infatuation with clones...not to mention shields obsession with LMDs.

Thats just in the book itself, outside the book we've seen a WWII cap alive and well in the 616, in Invaders/Avengers. We've also seen a convincing skrull in SI.

Brubabker doesnt shy away from that stuff..he just finds cool ways to present it.

Anyway he doesnt have to do that to bring back cap. There was enough weirdness with his body to suggest the real cap never even was seen dead.

I agree that Bucky could use a couple more years as cap.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whenever Steve does come back, it presents an interesting problem. He's one of the few characters you literally could never bring back without his original body. If you did, he'd cease to be Captain America, since the Super-Soldier Serum is what makes him Cap (in a physical sense, I mean, not the idealistic stuff) and the Serum has never been perfected outside of his body and the perfect clone the Skull had, which is also now dead.

[RockSP]

Cosmic cube.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, that's so overused at his point, especially where Cap is concerned.

[RockSP]

Inhuman mutant Beyonder, then. Bendis' greatest idea ever...just waiting to be used.

[TheCorpulent1]

We don't talk about that. :cmad:

[Vanguard07]

He's chillin with baby may in the corner we're not allowed to look. Along with Armless tiger man.

[CaptainCanada]

Brief video interview with Brubaker about upcoming stories (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6585.Marvel_One_on_One~colon~_Ed_Brub aker_Video); based on that, seems like #49 (the next issue to be solicited) has a lot to do with Sharon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I didn't recognize him at all without his hat. :)

I'm glad Sharon's coming back. I wonder how long he's gonna be on Captain America. This is becoming a huge run even by old-school standards.

[RockSP]

This is becoming a huge run even by old-school standards.

I wouldn't go that far yet. I mean Claremont on X-Men? Byrne on FF? David on Hulk? Gruenwald on Cap? Hell, even Bendis on Ult. Spidey?

[TheCorpulent1]

I suppose that was an exaggeration, but he's still getting up there. 50 issues is nothing to scoff at.

[GNR]

Bru lost a bit of weight.

[CaptainCanada]

I wouldn't go that far yet. I mean Claremont on X-Men? Byrne on FF? David on Hulk? Gruenwald on Cap? Hell, even Bendis on Ult. Spidey?
Those are really the uppermost limits of runs; 50 issues would have counted as pretty big even in the 70s and 80s (and that's actually pretty close to the length of Byrne's time on the Fantastic Four; 62 issues).

Brubaker gave an interview a while ago where he was asked about how long he would be around; he said he had plenty of plans, though he singled out Gruenwald as someone he thought had stayed around on a property longer than he should have, and said he couldn't imagine staying in one place that long.

[TheCorpulent1]

How long was Gruenwald's run? I'd love it if Bru could make it to 100 issues.

[CaptainCanada]

Ten years (1985-1995), from about #300 to about #450.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. I don't think Brubaker will make it that long.

[Anubis]

Well, he's already been on the book long enough to where an entire generation of comic fans will think Bru when they think Captain America.

[Dread]

True. Brubaker looks like he wants to stick it out on CAPTAIN AMERICA for at least five years, which is a long run especially by modern standards.

Still, JMS was on ASM for over seven years, and most people think that was a bit too long.

**** politics! Four more years of Bru on CA!

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he's already been on the book long enough to where an entire generation of comic fans will think Bru when they think Captain America.
That's more to do with quality than quantity, in my opinion. Brubaker's Cap has been really, really good. Bendis has been on the Avengers for 4 years and I still don't think of him as an Avengers writer, since he's basically been writing something other than the Avengers all those years. Meanwhile, after just a few pages of previews, I'm already thinking of Dan Slott as "the man who brought back the Avengers." :)

[CaptainCanada]

Agents of Atlas #3:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/ColonelGreen/001gxpz4.jpg

[bryanss3]

I take back what I said about Agents Of Atlas.

[Vanguard07]

LoL that looks pretty cool. Gorillas are awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, I love it. I'm so excited for the Agents of Atlas series. It has a whole "us against the world" sort of vibe that should make them a pretty unique team within the Marvel universe. :up:

[Anubis]

Too bad it will be canceled within it's first five to six issues. :(

[Dread]

That's a great cover of New Cap vs. the Agents of Atlas. :up:

Hahaha, I love it. I'm so excited for the Agents of Atlas series. It has a whole "us against the world" sort of vibe that should make them a pretty unique team within the Marvel universe. :up:

Indeed. The only problem is that being unique didn't help their mini sell that well about three years ago. At the very least, Marvel has invested some time and money to promote next month's launch.

Too bad it will be canceled within it's first five to six issues. :(

Don't be silly. Most ongoing titles make it at least to issue #10 or #12, about two arc's worth of stories, before being canceled even if sales tank.

[Anubis]

Pfft, I bet you a coke it gets dumped before issue seven.

[Dread]

Considering even THE THING made it to issue #8, that'd be a poor bet for you to make. :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Indeed. The only problem is that being unique didn't help their mini sell that well about three years ago. At the very least, Marvel has invested some time and money to promote next month's launch.
I have higher hopes for it. It's very keyed into the Dark Reign stuff, so it comes off as a more "important" book for people who care about that sort of thing. Coupled with the increased promotion, that might get enough people interested in it to keep it afloat. I still doubt it'll be a top-tenner, though. It looks like it's gonna have quality storytelling and an interesting premise with well-written characters, after all, and we know the masses just hate that sort of thing.

[CaptainCanada]

Agents has the good luck of clearly being a favourite of the higher-ups (hence, it being brought back at all); it'll get at least twelve (but I'd be a bit surprised if it goes beyond that).

[Dread]

I have higher hopes for it. It's very keyed into the Dark Reign stuff, so it comes off as a more "important" book for people who care about that sort of thing. Coupled with the increased promotion, that might get enough people interested in it to keep it afloat. I still doubt it'll be a top-tenner, though. It looks like it's gonna have quality storytelling and an interesting premise with well-written characters, after all, and we know the masses just hate that sort of thing.

The only flaw in this theory is that using an event to launch a new ongoing is something that doesn't last long. THE ORDER and HEROES FOR HIRE saw pretty good debut numbers when they were released in the wake of THE INITIATIVE and CIVIL WAR and they dropped off dramatically within six months. CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13 was released amidst SECRET INVASION and after a healthy debut of some 41,000 copies, has tumbled nearly 50% since with no end in sight to the bleeding.

This is because "events" themselves merely act as steroid injections for sales. Much like variant covers, they can provoke a mild to high boost in a debut or a sale, but it always ends and there is a scale back.

But, yes, it is true that DARK REIGN should help it. As well as Marvel actually promoting it decently. If it still flops, we can't quite blame Marvel entirely for it.

[TheCorpulent1]

From what I understand, it's not just going to be the opening arc of AoA that's tied into Dark Reign. The Atlas Foundation and Norman Osborn are supposed to become allies somehow. It seems more like Avengers: The Initiative in its closeness to a big status quo shift than just a quick tie-in.

[CaptainCanada]

Preview of #46 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1915&disp=table)

Wow, no introductory fight with Namor?

I do enjoy Namor's always-ambivalent position in the MU.

[Anubis]

awesome as always.

[TheCorpulent1]

God, I love the original Torch. Something about him is so much more awesome than the FF's Torch. Maybe it's the fact that he's a soldier, so you know he'll just f*** you up instead of making wisecracks and getting doused with water before his sister saves him...

[Captain Useless]

God, I love the original Torch. Something about him is so much more awesome than the FF's Torch. Maybe it's the fact that he's a soldier, so you know he'll just f*** you up instead of making wisecracks and getting doused with water before his sister saves him...

Yeah, unlike Johnny he actually seems dangerous for a man on fire.

[TheCorpulent1]

For real. Maybe it's the fact that he doesn't have a face when he's fiery.

[yenaled]

There is something uniquely awesome about him. It's like Alan Scott it just radiates from the page.

[TheCorpulent1]

Except when Alan Scott encounters wood. Which is always now. :(

[Dread]

Preview of #46 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1915&disp=table)

Wow, no introductory fight with Namor?

I do enjoy Namor's always-ambivalent position in the MU.

I actually am glad there was no obligatory fight with Namor. It was almost being overplayed.

I like that Brubaker is taking their time as Invaders seriously and I do like the little chat they have. It doesn't need fisticuffs.

[GNR]

Glad to see Epting back.

[CaptainCanada]

I actually am glad there was no obligatory fight with Namor. It was almost being overplayed.
I was joking; it could certainly be called overplayed.

In other news, the late cover to #49 (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oHIwtqy_pKk/SXYavXcRAFI/AAAAAAAABYI/1PWgCEXue-I/s1600-h/CAPA049_400.jpg). When it wasn't included in the solicits I wondered if it was some big secret reveal, but it's just another quality piece of work from Epting.

[Dread]

Good to see the Falcon back.

[Fly Guy]

Anybody reading Captain America : "Theatre of War"?

[TheCorpulent1]

Good to see the Falcon back.
Is that the cover for the Sharon issue? It seems like Brubaker's set up the Falcon and Sharon as Steve's supporting cast and the Black Widow as Bucky's supporting cast. I wish he'd smush them all together into one cast.

[Dread]

Is that the cover for the Sharon issue? It seems like Brubaker's set up the Falcon and Sharon as Steve's supporting cast and the Black Widow as Bucky's supporting cast. I wish he'd smush them all together into one cast.

That's true. Bucky may see Sharon as "Steve's girl" still and that may make him uncomfortable around her. Plus, as Winter Soldier, he did kidnap her and almost kill her, so he may feel guilty about that, too.

Hey, if I had Black Widow around me, I wouldn't need a supporting cast either.

Just kidding. Yeah, it could be cool to see more Falcon. He could work as a partner to "New Cap" too. I liked how in some ways Falcon had more modern experience than Bucky, who still is getting used to things, which gave some of their team-up's some interesting dynamics.

[Lucien]

I've just started reading Brubaker's run and i'm enjoying it a huge amount. I'm quite surprised with myself that my favourite part to this book are the war flashbacks. I'm just glad I read Marvels which gave me an introduction to the Invaders.

I am very new to Captain America, can anyone explain who Cap works for? Obviously S.H.I.E.L.D. but the US vp tries ordering him about when they go after Lukin. Is he still US military? Or was that another 'S.H.I.E.L.D. working for the US' mistake?

[CaptainCanada]

He's a free agent who freelances for SHIELD.

As for the VP's CoS trying to order him around, I assume that's just a powerful person demanding that he do something.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think the US government holds any official sway over him, but since Cap is a patriot, if the government gives him an assignment he believes to be in the nation's best interest, he'll do it.

SHIELD he just freelances for. He's buddies with Nick Fury.

[Lucien]

Thanks guys.

[Dread]

Link to my review. Heavy spoilers!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16361797&postcount=92

[CaptainCanada]

Any particular stories you'd like to see with New Cap, whether in this book or elsewhere? I do like how he's broadening out beyond the book now, in places like Agents of Atlas and Invincible Iron Man (in theory, him being in the New Avengers is a good idea too).

Spitfire and Union Jack are obvious ones (their previous appearance in "21st Century Blitz" was great), but you could also have some good stuff with Captain Britain.

I've also enjoyed the past interactions with Eli and Kate, so I wouldn't mind another team-up there.

[Dread]

No, I wouldn't mind some visits with Eli & Kate, either.

I noted one idea in my review.

And hey, if they want to try a team-up with Capt. Britain to boost sales, go ahead! Better him than Wolverine. :p

[GNR]

Anybody reading Captain America : "Theatre of War"?

Haven't ready the Chaykin or Jenkins issues,but the one by the Knaufs and Breitweiser was good.

[TheCorpulent1]

Any particular stories you'd like to see with New Cap, whether in this book or elsewhere? I do like how he's broadening out beyond the book now, in places like Agents of Atlas and Invincible Iron Man (in theory, him being in the New Avengers is a good idea too).

Spitfire and Union Jack are obvious ones (their previous appearance in "21st Century Blitz" was great), but you could also have some good stuff with Captain Britain.

I've also enjoyed the past interactions with Eli and Kate, so I wouldn't mind another team-up there.
I'd love a Captain Britain and MI-13/Captain America crossover. Brubaker already did his "British invasion" arc a while back, though, so maybe if CB&MI-13 survives past its next arc, Cornell might bring Cap over to that comic for a while. I doubt Brubaker would mind, since there's a very clear spiritual connection between Captains Britain and America, and there's a very personal connection between Captain America and Spitfire.

[Red]

Any particular stories you'd like to see with New Cap, whether in this book or elsewhere? I do like how he's broadening out beyond the book now, in places like Agents of Atlas and Invincible Iron Man (in theory, him being in the New Avengers is a good idea too).

Spitfire and Union Jack are obvious ones (their previous appearance in "21st Century Blitz" was great), but you could also have some good stuff with Captain Britain.

I've also enjoyed the past interactions with Eli and Kate, so I wouldn't mind another team-up there.

Bucky was in INVINCIBLE IRON MAN?

[CaptainCanada]

Not yet, but the preview for next week's issue has Tony giving Maria a data disk or some other McGuffin and telling her to "find Captain America".

[TheCorpulent1]

I want to start reading Invincible Iron Man but I really can't stress enough how much I hate Larroca's current art style. :(

[shogunrua]

ok I didn't know where to post this, it's some sort of Avengers drawing I did but there is Cap in it so I guess it's cool to post it here (if not I'll take it out) (with Spidey in it ok lol...). Nothing special but just to share with you guys :yay:

edit: taken out, I'v posted it in the wrong thread sorry :)

[TheCorpulent1]

There's a Fan Art forum (http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=195) for that sort of thing.

[prince_dylan]

I want to start reading Invincible Iron Man but I really can't stress enough how much I hate Larroca's current art style. :(

That's exactly what you should do, "read" the series. Don't pay to much attention to the art if it offends you.

I don't dig the sheen on Larroca's art. You probably don't like the shifting facial features that have been associated with "Invincible Iron Man" as well. The stories more than make up for the art for me though. Especially issue #7.

[GNR]

just read #46,this book continues to be review proof,cream of the crop when it comes to superhero comics

anyways,who has the guy Chin was talking to near the end?the dude who was setup in that chamber with glowing eyes?torch or the man with no face?

[TheCorpulent1]

That's exactly what you should do, "read" the series. Don't pay to much attention to the art if it offends you.

I don't dig the sheen on Larroca's art. You probably don't like the shifting facial features that have been associated with "Invincible Iron Man" as well. The stories more than make up for the art for me though. Especially issue #7.
I did pick up the last issue. It was pretty solid, although I'm not too sure about Pepper as Iron Woman or whatever. Seems like if they were gonna make a female counterpart to Iron Man, Hill would've been the sensible choice, since she's actually ex-SHIELD, but I'll see how it goes. Larroca's art didn't distract me as much as I thought it would, although his faces are really quite horrendous. Panels that don't just have talking heads weren't too bad, though. Still not liking the contours + lots of coloring effects style overall, but the book flowed from panel to panel well enough.

[CaptainStacy]

I never thought in a million years i'd ever say this; but im perfectly cool with it if Steve never comes back.

It's way more fun watching Barnes trying to fill Steve's shoes.

[TheCorpulent1]

I want Steve back eventually. But I'm cool with Bucky for another few years.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I want Steve back eventually. But I'm cool with Bucky for another few years. Agreed! Bucky as Cap is really interesting and col, IMO. :up:

[Dread]

I definitely have not tired of Bucky as New Cap. The sales don't lie; before event boosts, New Cap is outselling old Cap by nearly 2 to 1 (Brubaker's CA was hovering around 35k before the CW tie-in's and the death build-up, now the book has been holding strong around 70-80k a month). That is very likely why Marvel's editors have a "don't fix what ain't broke" approach to this book. Sure, there is a movie coming, but not for another year or two, at least. By then, Bucky would have been Cap for about 4 years (which, for some perspective, is longer than the original Clone Saga from Spider-Man).

I think there is a lot of depth to New Cap, and a lot of unexplored potential; not just for Brubaker, but for the franchise and whatever poor writer is forced, at some point, to take over from Brubaker. Marvel has few successful legacy heroes, but they have one now.

As for INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, I saw Potts becoming armored since they stuck that hole in her chest within the first arc. It was inevitable. Maria Hill may have made "more sense", but you have to remember; competent heroes are "unrelatable" and readers like novice heroes who screw up. Or at least that is what we are told. It is a running joke that Marvel usually just feminizes most of their male heroes at some point, and they have few heroines who have stood solo for long without needing a team, beyond Ms. Marvel (who usually was an Avenger) or She-Hulk (likewise, as well as on the Four, and is, well, it says it in the name). Marvel never had a Wonder Woman (and even she started out as a fetish mag, the bit about her history that most official documentaries just glance over).

Brubaker established a rapport between Stark and Bucky, or at least a working relationship, and Fraction has collaborated with him, so it makes sense that INVINCIBLE IRON MAN would have some ties.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have a question, what happened to Captain America: White?

[CaptainCanada]

Brubaker's new project (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19961) should be an interesting companion piece to the series. I was just thinking a few days ago that I'd like to see Brubaker do a sort of definitive take on Cap's origin story; this plays into that.

Sounds like Epting won't be around for Cap #50, though, which feels a bit odd. Guice and Ross are great too, though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Butch Guice should do fill-ins on everything. I swear, it's like Christmas comes early every time I open up a comic and find Guice's pencils instead of work from the artist I expected. I love his art so much.

[The Major]

I want to start reading Invincible Iron Man but I really can't stress enough how much I hate Larroca's current art style. :(
Larocca's one of Marvel's best artists IMO. Fraction is lucky to have him. :word:

[TheCorpulent1]

Jesus, first someone's complimenting Pat Lee's (if it is Pat Lee's) art in one thread, and now Salvador Larroca's art in here? It's like I've entered the Twilight Zone.

[Mr. Green]

Butch Guice should do fill-ins on everything. I swear, it's like Christmas comes early every time I open up a comic and find Guice's pencils instead of work from the artist I expected. I love his art so much.
He's kicking ass on Skaar. I wonder if Ron Garney will be back?

[TheCorpulent1]

I figured he would be. Although, he's going over to that Wolverine book soon...

[Paradox1]

Not too long ago I started to read Captain America again its the first time i've read it since his death. I've got to say its really well done. That art is very good and the stories are intriguing and compelling. Bucky as Cap its really interesting as he tries to shed his scattered past behind him and at the same time live up to the Legacy of Steve. I started at like 36 or something so I have quite a bit of reading to do.

[Dread]

It's good reading, though. The Omnibus and trades will help.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Brubaker's new project (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19961) should be an interesting companion piece to the series. I was just thinking a few days ago that I'd like to see Brubaker do a sort of definitive take on Cap's origin story; this plays into that. Agreed! As I have said, I can't wait for this. :up:

[Dread]

Brubaker's new project (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19961) should be an interesting companion piece to the series. I was just thinking a few days ago that I'd like to see Brubaker do a sort of definitive take on Cap's origin story; this plays into that.

Sounds like Epting won't be around for Cap #50, though, which feels a bit odd. Guice and Ross are great too, though.

It sounds like Brubaker trying to do a canonical version of DC: THE NEW FRONTIER. He's added a lot to Cap's WWII origins so it makes sense that he be allowed to elaborate on the rest. Normally I am wary of retcons, but Brubaker has managed some good ones, so I will likely buy it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still wary of The Marvel Project. A comprehensive origin of the Marvel universe and all the crazy superpowered people in it in one mini-series? Sounds suspect, given that fleshing out Cap and Bucky's backgrounds was done so well because Brubaker's had over 50 issues to unfurl that history so far.

But it's Brubaker and Epting, so I'll give it a chance despite my reservations.
He's kicking ass on Skaar. I wonder if Ron Garney will be back?
I figured he would be. Although, he's going over to that Wolverine book soon...
Ron Lim is taking over Skaar and Garney's moving to the Wolverine book with Jason Aaron. I read that yesterday, but I didn't remember it when I replied. :o

[Dread]

True. After all, the last time Brubaker tried retcons in a short mini, it was X-MEN: DEADLY GENESIS, and it sucked. Still, hopefully he and Epting can manage something good with THE MARVELS PROJECT.