The Official Captain America Thread

[Anubis]

Well, seeing as Caps book has been so good as of late, I figured it would be a good idea to have one definative thread about all things Cap.

So, first things first, The Winter Soldier. Is it Bucky? Or is it Nomad doing the whole Tyler Durdin thing? I think it's Nomad. I mean, when was it that the guy that would become Nomad first appeared? Comic wise I mean. five or six years maybe? I belive thats what was said in the latest issue. You see, I was wondering, did the first apperance of Nomad take place before the conversation between the Red Skull and the Russian General in the first issue? Because if it did, then that would mean that it was him in that tube.

Just a Theory.

[Doc Destruction]

Isn't Nomad dead now?

[BlackKnight1]

Isn't Nomad dead now?

Nobody is completely sure that the body was actually Jack Monroe. So it is sort of up in the air.

[DBM]

Nobody is completely sure that the body was actually Jack Monroe. So it is sort of up in the air.

Plus the most recent issue of Cap was basically all told in flashbacks.

[Marcdachamp]

My theory is thus: It's either one. See, Brubaker has concocted a story where it can go EITHER way. The reveal in #6 may just have been to test the waters. If fans flipped out over the Winter Soldier being Bucky to the point where they began dropping the book, he could easily say it was Nomad all along. He's a crafty one this Ed Brubaker. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be great if it turned out to be Nomad. He's much better as a villain, in my opinion, as his time as Scourge shows. Plus, he gets better costumes as villains. A "shirt" that bears almost his entire midsection? Yeesh. :eek:

[rigel7soldiers]

I sort of figured Nomad since he... get this... is a dead ringer for James Buchanan Barnes.

[Zaptoitnow]

I didn't so much think it was up for questioning that the body was Jack Monroe. We watched him be shot, Sharon saw his body, and altough he was insane, through his eyes, we experienced his death. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like Monroe is definately dead, and not the winter soldier.

[Nick Eastwood]

I really really really need to pick up Cap.

But first, I need a job.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't so much think it was up for questioning that the body was Jack Monroe. We watched him be shot, Sharon saw his body, and altough he was insane, through his eyes, we experienced his death. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like Monroe is definately dead, and not the winter soldier.He also mysteriously lost 3 months of his life and hallucinated constantly. We experienced the death of a guy who believed he was Jack. Doesn't mean it was him.

[Muze]

My theory is thus: It's either one. See, Brubaker has concocted a story where it can go EITHER way. The reveal in #6 may just have been to test the waters. If fans flipped out over the Winter Soldier being Bucky to the point where they began dropping the book, he could easily say it was Nomad all along. He's a crafty one this Ed Brubaker. :)

doesn't really jive with Quesada's dead-is-dead policy though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Quesada's dead-is-dead policy breaks down like this: It's utter bull****. He's said before that if someone has a good story to bring someone back, he'll roll over and let them. We've been seeing what Quesada considers good stories at Marvel for years now, so I doubt it's that hard to get an ok on a resurrection.

[Zaptoitnow]

The story is called "The Lonesome Death of Jack Monroe". Sharon said it was Jack. We saw, even when we were just seeing the events back in issue 3 or 4, that it was Jack. While I think that 3 months is definately important, I really don't understand how Jack Monroe could be the Winter Soldier. Even when they showed what really had happened in the hallucentations, he was wearing the Nomad suit.

[Anubis]

You know, I could be wrong. I just looked at the first issue and then the latest issue and I can see that the timeline doesn't fit. The Red Skull/Russian conversation took place about 5 years ago. Nomad and the Crazy Cap guy, were thawed out Eight Years ago. So, he couldn't have been locked away in storage by the Russians. But Bucky could have. Or, hell, whatever happened to the other guy? The guy that was Cap to Nomad's Bucky?

[3dman27]

Isn't Nomad dead now?
as i understand it yes

[DarkKnightJRK]

I'm not sure about Bucky coming back, but hey, Brubacker's writing, so I don't think it would be extremely bad. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

The story is called "The Lonesome Death of Jack Monroe". Sharon said it was Jack. We saw, even when we were just seeing the events back in issue 3 or 4, that it was Jack. While I think that 3 months is definately important, I really don't understand how Jack Monroe could be the Winter Soldier. Even when they showed what really had happened in the hallucentations, he was wearing the Nomad suit.Yeah, tell me how any of that proves that Jack's actually dead in the Marvel universe. There was a story just a couple arcs before this one where a Life Model Decoy gained sentience and actually believed itself to be Diamondback. So was Jack's mental illness actually his brain futzing out on him, or was it a malfunction in the LMD's programming? LMDs do look identical to the people they mimic, and the Diamondback one was enough to fool Cap, who's known her intimately. Sharon's never even actually met Bucky. There are about a hundred different ways that all of those things could be explained away and the Winter Soldier could still be Jack.

[Anubis]

All I'm sayin is, why would they have gone through all that trouble of showing Jack's mind going nuts just to kill him. The scene were we see Bucky coming out of Jack has to have some meaning. WHy go to all the trouble just to tell a story of how the guy got wacked? I don't think it's as simple as people think it is. I think its a very good chance that he could be the Winter SOldier. And we'll find out whenever we get a look at that File Fury has.

[RockSP]

Or, hell, whatever happened to the other guy? The guy that was Cap to Nomad's Bucky?

He died...I think in the same incident that "killed" Sharon back in the day. Seeing as how she was never really dead, he could of course still be out there.

[Anubis]

Now we have an missing corpse of a Cap wanna be to add to the mix.

[Zaptoitnow]

I still think that its made pretty clear that Jack Monroe died, and was possibly kiled by the winter soldier. I guess we'll have to wait to see if the person Sharon saw dead next to her really was Jack though.

[Marcdachamp]

Yeah, tell me how any of that proves that Jack's actually dead in the Marvel universe. There was a story just a couple arcs before this one where a Life Model Decoy gained sentience and actually believed itself to be Diamondback. So was Jack's mental illness actually his brain futzing out on him, or was it a malfunction in the LMD's programming? LMDs do look identical to the people they mimic, and the Diamondback one was enough to fool Cap, who's known her intimately. Sharon's never even actually met Bucky. There are about a hundred different ways that all of those things could be explained away and the Winter Soldier could still be Jack.
Y'know what creeped me out about that? I was under the impression that Cap and DBack had sex in that arc...

[Sabretooth]

Y'know what creeped me out about that? I was under the impression that Cap and DBack had sex in that arc...
Wait,they didn't? :confused: i thought they had it too

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt it. Cap apparently moves very slowly, as his age would imply.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but what if he already hit it? Didn't he and the real Diamondback already do the do?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I just didn't get the impression that they did in that arc.

[Marcdachamp]

Yeah, but what if he already hit it? Didn't he and the real Diamondback already do the do?
I'm referring to the DBack that turned out to be the LMD...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was alluding that Cap's usual courtship length may have been reduced with the LMD by the fact that he already banged the real Diamondback.

[Anubis]

Thats what I ment. I mean, hooking up with an ex takes a lot less work than getting with someone new.

[Anubis]

Check out the Wallpaper from Marvel.com


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Captain-america-11-1024.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I want to have Epting's babies.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Ok, I need some comic trivia.

You see, as you can see in my sig, I'm playing the ole' Captain Rogers in the upcoming Marvel RPG: The Secret Wars. I was wondering if you guys could give me a little advice on some general stuff.

1. Who has Captain America been "involved" with? Are any of them in the Avengers?

2. What's Cap's relationship with the people in the Avengers? What about the Avengers feelings for Cap?

3. Besides the whole Bucky/Winter Soldier escapade. Is there any fairly recent developments for Cap?

If someone could answer those, that would be great.

[Anubis]

Well, Caps had a ton of girl friends over the years. I would have to say that of them all, Sharon Carter is the one closest to his heart. She isn't an Avenger, but she is agent 13 of S.H.I.E.L.D. Then you got Diamond Back. Former member of the Serpent society or whatever. Not an Avenger, but a Superhero if you want to call her that.

His relationship with the Avengers, well, he's their leader. The guy that they put all their trust in. Everybody respects him. They would have to for him to be able to tell Gods and rulers of entire countries to do what he says. I would say he's closest with Iron Man, Thor, and Falcon.

And recent developments, well, his identity is public. Shortly after 9/11 he outed himself after killing a terrorist on national t.v. Then he hooked up with Diamond Back again, only to find out she was really a robot in league with the Red Skull. And of course there is Avengers Disassembled.

[TheCorpulent1]

Cap's also very close with Hawkeye. Probably because they went from a very tenuous relationship as teammates and nothing else to a grudging respect for each other to a full-blown friendship and admiration over the years. Other than that, he's the Marvel Superman, basically, at least as far as status goes. Literally everybody admires him and he's basically got qualities that everyone can like. He's as fierce a warrior as Thor or Hercules, more resourceful and able to think on his feet better than just about anyone else, one of the best tacticians to have planning strategies for you, athletic, energetic, confident to a fault, friendly, blah, blah, blah. He's almost the perfect human being, except for the fact that he's got a whole closet full of demons over Bucky's death and other things he perceives as personal failings.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Thanks Corp. Looks like I have a lot more to play with then I thought in the first place. :D

[Blade87]

Check out the Wallpaper from Marvel.com


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Captain-america-11-1024.jpgI guess that means Bucky is back

[TheCorpulent1]

Or that someone who wore a Bucky costume has some relation to the Winter Soldier.

[Shawkur]

A cosmic cube can do basically anything, right, including bring back the dead? If so, I dont see why a villain with a grudge against Cap wouldnt bring back Bucky to **** with Cap.

[DBM]

From Newarama (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36728)

JOURNEY INTO COMICS: WINTER SOLDIER - IS HE OR ISN'T HE?

by Michael San Giacomo

SPOILER WARNING

Now, I’m naturally a suspicious kind of guy. But this Marvel solicitation for Captain America No. 8 leaves little room for doubt that the first Bucky is in fact The Winter Soldier. I don’t see any "allegedly" or "apparently" in there. It looks pretty rock solid.

Winter comes early to (Captain) America …
The revelation of who killed the Red Skull has rocked Captain America’s world to the core. Cap must track down the Winter Soldier- the alias now used by his former partner, Bucky. And, in the wake of Bucky’s dramatic return from the grave, General Lukin makes his first all-out assault! Brubaker and company are crafting a tale that many regard as the greatest run on Captain America in modern times. To commemorate the start of this explosive second arc, there will be a limited variant cover by fan favorite Joe Jusko!
CAPTAIN AMERICA #8
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils by STEVE EPTING
Covers by STEVE EPTING AND JOE JUSKO
"THE WINTER SOLDIER" Part 1 (of 6)

Do I believe it? Not on your life. Nope, you can fool me a couple hundred times, but eventually I catch on.

I’m sure there are 100 ways to get out of reviving the one (of two) characters that seemed to be the only Marvel characters destined to stay dead. The other is Peter Parker’s Uncle Ben. (He’s still dead, right?)

But if it’s true, the way Ed Brubaker pulled off the resurrection is brilliant: back in WW II, a Russian finds the badly wounded Buckster, nurses him back to health and then something, something, something. He returns with a robot arm and barely aged.

Depending on what Brubaker does with the rest of the story, particularly that something part, this could work.

I always thought that I would be disappointed if Marvel ever dared to resurrect Bucky. But now that it may have happened, (and I am still not convinced,) I find that it ain’t so bad. I think I was more chagrined when Colossus returned recently with "not so much as a by your leave."

And really, considering that Jean Grey has been revived, what 198 times, isn’t it hard to take any Marvel death seriously?

Still, if Brubaker is serious, this could be a great character, a powerful adversary for Cap.

The same argument goes for DC and the recent rebirth of Jason Todd, (Robin II) though I am just as skeptical on that revival as this one.

I must confess I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the way the "Ice" story was handled in Captain America. It seemed as if it were about to be revealed that Cap was kept in suspended animation (perhaps even put there) by the American government because they knew he would object to the atomic bombings of Japan.

But before the truth was revealed, the story deteriorated into a confusing mess. That was a cheap way to make sure that the legend of Cap, his storyline more precisely, would remain exactly as it was found.

That is one way to make sure that nothing ever grows. It’s called stagnation.

[Cap1970]

Wow. Color me surprised, if the solicitation is true. Not that I'd want to be a cynic or anything but it's awfully hard to take anything "major" from Marvel seriously (the infinite deaths of Jean Grey, etc.).

Could be a great storyline, or could just put another nail in Cap's coffin. I loved the line about stagnation, too. Cap needs new life desparately. I think one of the single-best storylines to come out of the last year was Cap and the return of Diamondback. I don't remember seeing Diamondback after that last issue with the LMD. As a lifelong Cap fan, I was more excited to see that than another ****ing number one issue.

[roach]

how do you revive someone who was on an exploding warhead????????

[TheCorpulent1]

The Cosmic Cube allows people to bend reality to their will. At full power, it'd be no trouble at all for a Cosmic Cube to reach back in time and alter events so that Bucky doesn't die on the drone plane. Of course, the Cube that the Russian dude has is very weak. Which raises an interesting question: What if the Winter Soldier really IS Bucky, but the Cosmic Cube somehow brought him back... wrong, in some way? I don't know how, but just not quite as Bucky should've been. Still lame because it'd still be Bucky, but interesting nonetheless.

[Zaptoitnow]

Hey, just read this over at another board, thought it was neat idea.

"
The funny thing I got out of this story was this: there are gaps in Jack's activities throughout his final year. Was this a result of the deterioration of his mind, or was this a purposefully driven plot point? All of a sudden, I have this idea in my head that the Winter Soilder is the real Jack Monroe, while the Jack Monroe/Nomad we've been seeing all these years was...the real Bucky Barnes! Somehow, Bucky did survive what happened to him and somehow he was brainwashed (or something else) into believing that he was a man named Jack Monroe for some nefarious purpose. The tragedy of it all? All this time, back during the day, Cap thought he had been working with Jack Monroe/Nomad but never knew that he was actually working alongside his old partner Bucky. And now, if Jack does turn out to be Bucky, his old partner is dead once again, having been killed "a second time" before Cap could discover the truth. What a whacked out theory, eh?"

What do you think? I almost think I'd be upset if this was right because this will have spoiled me. I think it'd be a neat twist.

[Anubis]

Thats a good theory. Thats pretty much the way I've been leaning towards.

[TheCorpulent1]

That theory doesn't appeal to me at all. Ideally, Bucky would stay in his grave and the Winter Soldier would've been Jack Monroe all along. The "dead" Jack could be an LMD with faulty programming, just like the Diamondback LMD, which would result in his screwy memory and give the Winter Soldier a motive for killing him.

[Anubis]

I really don't see what the problem would be if it was Bucky. It really wouldn't piss me off all that much. At all really. I just don't really think thats Bucky.

[TheCorpulent1]

It would piss me off. Bucky's kind of a sacred cow, and there's no reason whatsoever to bring him back. The illusion of Bucky's return is enough to throw Cap into severe turmoil and has done so several times in the past. Plus, the whole sidekick coming back as the villain thing has been done to death and it wasn't all that original in the first place.

[Zaptoitnow]

The way that idea works though is that he's been back and no one, not even Jack/Bucky knew it. Makes Cap mourn for his partner again and regret not spending the time with him. Also, in the end, Bucky is still dead, and we have never actually seen Bucky alive, while knowing it was Bucky, kinda like catching a fleeting glimpse of him, not fully ressurecting him.

[DBM]

I have really high hopes that this will somehow turn out to actually be Jack Munroe.

It would be far more interesting to me. The fact that they devoted an entire issue to what has happened to Munroe recently, indicates to me that he must have more significance to this story than seen so far. Plus he was actually active during the fifties, has had a history of mental problems (could be the results of brainwashing/memory wipes), and has been in suspended animation for a time (showing why he hasn't aged much).

I'm wondering if the Jack Munroe we saw killed, and that walked around during the Nomad days, might have been and LMD, and the real Munroe had been snagged by the Russians when put in suspended animation back in the day.

[Anubis]

WHat in comics, hasn't been done before? It's all about the exicution. So far Bru has done a good job. And if it did turn out to be Bucky, I would support it. Because I never bought into that unwritten rule of Bucky and Uncle Ben should always stay dead. Ben, sure. His death is what made Peter Parker become Spider-Man. But Bucky? Not so much. Cap was Cap before Bucky. His death is a key moment in the characters history, but what about Bucky? Is he to simply be a mayrtr? A dead little sidekick. A constant plot device for Cap? I say, if it is him, good. Maybe now somebody can do something with the character. Make him into a great Villian. It worked for Maricle Man.

[TheCorpulent1]

It just seems in bad taste to me. Especially when the prospect of building on Jack Monroe, who's already had a lot of interesting things done to him over the years, is about a million times more interesting.

[Anubis]

Yeah, I know. And it would be great if it was Jack doing some crazy split personality thing. Better than if it was just Bucky, but if it happens to turn out to be Bucky? No big deal.

[Brian Braddock]

really don't mind who it is;

Winter Soldier = Bucky Barnes - absolutlely badass
Winter Soldier = Jack Monroe - equally as badass

-either way,if done right, Cap has one helluva potentially amazing advisary (hopefully to be around for a few years to come). Brubaker's really crafting a story that's got me hooked on Cap for the first time in years!!

[tigermagee]

When is issue 8 due to come out?

[UK_Stu]

I'm still in two minds as to whether I want the winter soldier to be Bucky. I kind of hope Bucky remains dead, but if brought back in the right way it could be ok.

I have a few questions and thoughts though:

1) Possibly the Winter soldier, might be neither Jack Monroe or Bucky. Remember that kid that walked off with Pukin in Russia after that raid ?? It could be him, possibly modelled on Bucky's looks.

2) If the Winter Soldier/Bucky/Monroe remembers Cap, why would he want him killed? I appreciate somekind of brainwashing is involved, but why are sidekicks always brought back as enemies??

[TheCorpulent1]

Because it's more dramatic than sidekicks coming back from the dead and just re-teaming with their former mentors. It's been done to death and it wasn't that great to begin with, but people will probably keep using the sidekick betrayal story until the end of fiction as we know it.

[UK_Stu]

you're probably right

[Anubis]

) Possibly the Winter soldier, might be neither Jack Monroe or Bucky. Remember that kid that walked off with Pukin in Russia after that raid ?? It could be him, possibly modelled on Bucky's looks.

The boy had become the General that is currently causing all the problems. The other guy was his mentor.

[UK_Stu]

oh ok , i see :up:

[Brian Braddock]

Well, it's been a while since the last post on this thread. Have there been any developments or revelatons since?

[Anubis]

Next issue comes out Wednesday, so this thread will probally liven up then.

[Brian Braddock]

Cheers, man. Look forward to it - the suspense is killing me!

[Anubis]

Got Cap #8 in the mail today. Good start to the arc. Cap knows now. Though it seems that he's in deniel about it. It wasn't anything huge or anything, just a great set up for the arc. 9 out of 10.

[kbtoyz902]

im gonna go pick it up right now. Be back in an hour or so with my comments.

BTW, just so my opinion is here too, I wouldn't mine Bucky coming back. Like mentioned earlier, he never defined Captain America, he was just a part of Cap's past.

[Sabretooth]

I just got Cap in the mail too.I'm gonna go read it..

[Anubis]

Got Cap # 9 Today. Good ish. Lukin f**kin with Cap. We get to see just how pissed Cap is about this whole thing. Shocker ending. All and all, 8 out of 10.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Captian America is the empidimy of all US.

The current Volume is alright.But the previous Volume[Im not sure if it was 2 or 3] had some great issues,somne of the greatest was 330.Around that number.

When the President fired Cap.

[U.S War Machine]

Final Justice!

[Cubs Fan]

Cap #9 is the first of the winter soldier arc that I have picked up, and I have a couple questions.

1. Who is Crossbones working for?

2. Who is the assassin cap was asking one of the guards about?

Thanks for any help

[Anubis]

Crossbones was working for the Red Skull, but he's dead. So he's kinda working on his own now.


And the Assassin he was talking about was the Winter Soldier, who is Bucky.

[TheCorpulent1]

Crossbones looks like he's trying to carry on the Skull's legacy, which is a pretty interesting twist.

And the assassin was the Winter Soldier, who appears to be Bucky. Thankfully, Brubaker threw me a bone when the Winter Soldier replied, "Who's Bucky?" in the Philadelphia flashback.

[Cubs Fan]

Thats a very cool twist with Crossbones. I knew Red Skull was killed, and I was worried that he started working for Lukin.

Was Crossbones in the first Winter Soldier arc a lot?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not a lot, but he shows up and beats the crap out of a drugged-up Cap in one issue. He doesn't kill Cap because it would've been a hollow victory.

[Anubis]

Yeah he was in it.

[SpideyInATree]

It was pretty cool in # 9 to see Brubaker and Lark do a full issue together, sort of a preview of what it's gonna be like on Daredevil during their run. :o
Though I hope we get Epting back soon, he's awesome on Cap.

And the reveal at the end with the girl and Crossbones was pretty interesting.

[Anubis]

Wow, been awhile.

[CORNRUS]

I hear that Cap will soon be fighting Dave Currie.

[Anubis]

Who?

[deemar325]

RedSkull has a daughter cool! I like what Brubaker is doing, he's beefing up Cap's rogues gallery if anyone has noticed. Brubaker has made Crossbones a major threat, introduced the Winter soldier, General Lukin is a rare creature (A villain with common sense.) and now the Redskull's daughter!

Has anyone noticed this?

[Cap1970]

Yeah - I'll agree with the beefing up Cap's rogues gallery. I just wish Brubaker would address the whole Sharon Carter thing once and for all (stop Cap from whining about her, etc.) and have Cap end up with Diamondback. Then, I think the book would have even more character.

But that's just me.

[deemar325]

You want Cap with Diamond back? nah, I think Sharon is the woman for him, Cap is the one superhero I can see married (no kids) It works with his personality.

[Cap1970]

I don't think it works with Sharon's personality - but again that's just me. I've thought for a long time that every Cap writer does their damnedest to make Sharon act more and more *****y. Yet, the whole Diamondback angle could be better explored I think.

[GoldenAgeHero]

im with deemar, i like sharon alot more and to be honest this my first cap book i ever collected, reading all those captain america and the falcon, swayed me from ever readinga cap book, but this book is awesome!!! steve and sharon has a connection and i really see them together(without kids).

[deemar325]

im with deemar, i like sharon alot more and to be honest this my first cap book i ever collected, reading all those captain america and the falcon, swayed me from ever readinga cap book, but this book is awesome!!! steve and sharon has a connection and i really see them together(without kids).

lol! glad you agree, (without kids):up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

ph yeah and im really loving th whole bucky dynamic, i hope he becomes a good guy but not fighting along side cap like a sidekick but maybe have a few team ups with him.

[deemar325]

ph yeah and im really loving th whole bucky dynamic, i hope he becomes a good guy but not fighting along side cap like a sidekick but maybe have a few team ups with him.

I'm kinda feeling Bucky as a villain, it's so badass!

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'm kinda feeling Bucky as a villain, it's so badass!

no:( he can be a good guy and a badass atthe same time. charles bronson, style:up:

[deemar325]

no:( he can be a good guy and a badass atthe same time. charles bronson, style:up:

I can deal with that, along as he's not pussified and toned down.

[SpideyInATree]

I was wondering where this thread had gone to. You'd think with all the "Bucky returning from the dead" that there'd be some more action going on in here.

But I guess there wouldn't be. Considering this is one of the best books that Marvel puts out there won't be any activity. People are too busy *****ing about this and that to worry about kick ass books like Captain America. :O :)

[RockSP]

RedSkull has a daughter cool! I like what Brubaker is doing, he's beefing up Cap's rogues gallery if anyone has noticed. Brubaker has made Crossbones a major threat, introduced the Winter soldier, General Lukin is a rare creature (A villain with common sense.) and now the Redskull's daughter!

Has anyone noticed this?

Red Skull's daughter isn't a new character. She was introduced in the 80's. Skull had her artificially aged to adulthood (along with some other girls...they were called the Sisters of Sin or something like that) but she has since been returned to normal.

[3dman27]

i have a question about the flip book reprints of this storyline
wasn't it interrupted for a house of m tie in? and if so wont the reprints be interrupted for it too? yuck i hope NOT

[3dman27]

I was wondering where this thread had gone to. You'd think with all the "Bucky returning from the dead" that there'd be some more action going on in here.

But I guess there wouldn't be. Considering this is one of the best books that Marvel puts out there won't be any activity. People are too busy *****ing about this and that to worry about kick ass books like Captain America. :O :)
the reprint flip book about cap is the only one i buy except for the ff flip book

[Anubis]

Bump

[deemar325]

Red Skull's daughter isn't a new character. She was introduced in the 80's. Skull had her artificially aged to adulthood (along with some other girls...they were called the Sisters of Sin or something like that) but she has since been returned to normal.

Thanks for the info.:up:

[deemar325]

^ wassup man.

[Anubis]

What up. I figured scince issue 14 just came out, people would come here to discuss. I still haven't gotten mine yet, so I got nothing to say at the moment.

[deemar325]

^ Yep it was a good read, like a well done steak, and the Gen.Lukin merged with Redskull! good stuff.

[Anubis]

Must...avoid...spoilers...

[deemar325]

^ Sorry, anyways Bru knocked it out of the park.

[Captain_America]

^ Yep it was a good read, like a well done steak, and the Gen.Lukin merged with Redskull! good stuff.

It was brilliant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Cap.gif

[deemar325]

^ Damn skippy it was! Now I can't wait to see how 'Sin' and Crossbones arc pans out!

[Captain_America]

^ Damn skippy it was! Now I can't wait to see how 'Sin' and Crossbones arc pans out!

Have you seen the cover to issue #17, which is due out in April? I can already tell it's going to be sweet.

The Story:
Crossbones and the Red Skull's daughter, Sin, have come to the American Midwest to tear a new hole in A.I.M., but none of them counted on Cap and S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 13 stumbling into the mix, and everything going wrong. The action-packed conclusion of this two-parter will leave two vengeance-fueled characters on a collision course with destiny and destruction!


32 PGS./Rated T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP …$2.99

The cover is right here.
http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/comics/onsale/covers/0406/CAPA017_bwcovcol.jpg

[GNR]

Anyone know when Epting will continue interior art duties?I know Perkins is doing the Crossbones arc.

[citizenpain]

http://www.captain-america.us/images/wallpaper/warposters/captain-america-vs-hitler.jpg

sweet.

[deemar325]

^ Crazy stuff.

[SpideyInATree]

I literally fell out of my chair just FLIPPING through Ish # 14. Haven't read it yet but I'm probably going to enjoy myself.

I think I should be smoking maximum bluntage before reading this. :thing:

[Anubis]

I don't need drugs to read comics. Just to Enhance it. :)

[GNR]

I asked Brubaker on MillarWorld what the deal was with Epting.Perkins is doing the Crossbones arc with Epting continuing after that.Epting is actually getting a head start working on #18 as we speak.Perkins' art is really good as well.I think he did finishes and flashback art in this current arc.

[Anubis]

Thats how you do it. Get all that stuff done ahead of time so there wont be any of that late s**t that seems to be going on so much in comics nowadays

[deemar325]

^ Smart thinking on Bru and Eptings part.

[SpideyInATree]

^ Smart thinking on Bru and Eptings part.

Yeah, Brubaker is thinking ahead. This way he has books that come out on time with quality...that way when all the fanboys turn on him soon they can't throw that in his face as well. A smart man, smart man. :O

[TheCorpulent1]

I think if fanboys could resist turning on him for bringing Bucky back and killing the Red Skull in the first issue of his run, he's in the clear.

[Anubis]

See what I'm talkin about? Even Spidey in a tree sees it. It's commin, and I plan to be inside when the s**t storm hits.

[deemar325]

I think if fanboys could resist turning on him for bringing Bucky back and killing the Red Skull in the first issue of his run, he's in the clear.

Yep, I think Bru is what I like to call 'strategicallysmart'

[deemar325]

See what I'm talkin about? Even Spidey in a tree sees it. It's commin, and I plan to be inside when the s**t storm hits.


You think Bru is headed for a sh-t storm? He peg me as a lot smarter than guys like Bendis or JMS.

[SpideyInATree]

I think if fanboys could resist turning on him for bringing Bucky back and killing the Red Skull in the first issue of his run, he's in the clear.

You make a good point. But it took a little while for the people to turn on Bendis as well. Remember, the guy who has outted Daredevil. So...we'll see what happens to good ol' Brubaker.

I think he's fantastic but I just see another Bendis coming and, unfortunately, Brubaker is in the sights.

Bringing back Bucky, killing Banshee, and taking over Daredevil this month. They're like signs of the second coming of fanboy complaining.

[Anubis]

I could be wrong, I hope I'm wrong. He's a great writer, and I'd hate to see what happend to Bendis or JMS happen to him. Plus, to tell you the truth, I'm kinda sick of this bashing thing. Hey, people can have an opinion, but theres a point when it goes from speaking your mind and going all obsessive internet stalker on a motha f**ka . And it just brings down the enjoyment of the forum. I mean sure, what would this place be without the b***hing? But people should just let some s**t go after awhile.

[deemar325]

^ I'm guilty as charged!

[Anubis]

...well...I didn't wanna say anything....

[deemar325]

LOL! nah man it's cool, I can own up to being a d-ck.
I'm well aware of my obnoxiousness on here sometimes.

[TheCorpulent1]

You make a good point. But it took a little while for the people to turn on Bendis as well. Remember, the guy who has outted Daredevil. So...we'll see what happens to good ol' Brubaker.

I think he's fantastic but I just see another Bendis coming and, unfortunately, Brubaker is in the sights.

Bringing back Bucky, killing Banshee, and taking over Daredevil this month. They're like signs of the second coming of fanboy complaining.
Bendis has been vilified primarily for Avengers Disassembled, which was an absolutely horrible, ill-conceived story right from the get-go that featured LOADS of character deaths, including a few really beloved ones like Hawkeye and the Vision. Everything after that has just been Bendis digging himself in deeper. New Avengers sucked at the beginning, although I hear it's gotten better. House of M, according to a lot of people who read it, sucked and, even worse, reminded people of Disassembled.

Banshee's got his fans, I'm sure, but I don't think he was really that huge a character for very many people. He pulled off the Winter Soldier so well that even I, a person who abhorred the idea of Bucky's ever coming back, have managed to accept it even if I still can't like it. Taking over Daredevil doesn't seem to be a misstep at all. His style is similar enough to Bendis', as Gotham Central showed, and in my opinion he's a better writer all around, so I doubt he'll screw that up.

I'm not saying Brubaker will forever be the golden boy or anything, but I don't see anything that would warrant hatred of him. He needs a full-on "Sins Past" or Disassembled to attain that, and even then, he's a good enough writer that he may well be able to pull it off and avoid the full wrath of the fanboys. He'd need a truly major debacle to ruin his credibility with a large part of the fans.

[Anubis]

Well, Deadly Genisis aint over yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

True, I see some potential for that to be his major screw-up. It wouldn't tarnish him in my eyes, though. I don't give a crap about the X-Men's little corner of the universe. In fact, I try to remain as blissfully unaware of its goings-on as I can.

[Anubis]

You and me both buddy.

[deemar325]

Bendis has been vilified primarily for Avengers Disassembled, which was an absolutely horrible, ill-conceived story right from the get-go that featured LOADS of character deaths, including a few really beloved ones like Hawkeye and the Vision. Everything after that has just been Bendis digging himself in deeper. New Avengers sucked at the beginning, although I hear it's gotten better. House of M, according to a lot of people who read it, sucked and, even worse, reminded people of Disassembled.

Banshee's got his fans, I'm sure, but I don't think he was really that huge a character for very many people. He pulled off the Winter Soldier so well that even I, a person who abhorred the idea of Bucky's ever coming back, have managed to accept it even if I still can't like it. Taking over Daredevil doesn't seem to be a misstep at all. His style is similar enough to Bendis', as Gotham Central showed, and in my opinion he's a better writer all around, so I doubt he'll screw that up.

I'm not saying Brubaker will forever be the golden boy or anything, but I don't see anything that would warrant hatred of him. He needs a full-on "Sins Past" or Disassembled to attain that, and even then, he's a good enough writer that he may well be able to pull it off and avoid the full wrath of the fanboys. He'd need a truly major debacle to ruin his credibility with a large part of the fans.


Ditto, I think he hopefully have noticed BMB's missteps and try to avoid them.

[Anubis]

bump

[Lone Wolf]

Preview for CA #16 on sale March 22.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_1.jpg
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http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_5.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_6.jpg

[Anubis]

Sweet :up:

[Lone Wolf]

I like Perkins art alot, really looking forward to the beginning of this arc.

[THANOSRULES]

thats prolly like 1/2 the comic

[Captain_America]

Preview for CA #16 on sale March 22.





http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_1.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_2.jpg
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http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_previews/cap16_6.jpg




Thanks Bats. :eek:

I can't wait!!

[SpideyInATree]

Great preview. Crossbones is pretty bad ass.

What happened to Epting? :confused:

[Eric Draven]

I think they're letting Epting catch up a bit. Perkins is going to do the Crossbones arc and Epting is returning for that London arc.

Twice the Cap this month though. Issue 16 and that 65th anniversary issue :up:

[SpideyInATree]

Cool. Perkins looks like a good fill in. I was scared there for a second though. Epting is awesome on Cap. :up:

[Anubis]

Did anybody else get that Captain America 65th aniversery issue that came out last week? Very good, and it shows what the Red Skull/Lukin is gonna be up to in the regular series.

[SpideyInATree]

Did anybody else get that Captain America 65th aniversery issue that came out last week? Very good, and it shows what the Red Skull/Lukin is gonna be up to in the regular series.

I got the 65th anniversary ish. Haven't read it yet. But I just got to Captain America # 16 this past week and this book is still firing on all cylinders. Lots of excellent developments and I can't wait to see Cap get his revenge on Crossbones after their last encounter.

And looks like Bucky is alive and making up for his past deeds as Winter Soldier. Hopefully they keep that plot thread going. :o

[Anubis]

So, Last ish was pretty good.

Sharon: "You know, all these years you've never told me how you do that."

Cap: "What?"

Sharon: "Dodge bullets."

Cap: "Oh, that's nothing...I just see faster."

Hehe, Cap rocks. Oh, and there was a couple of letters in the Freedom of Speech section talking about how violent and sick #15 was. I don't know. Maybe I've seen too many people get they're heads blown off on t.v., but I have no idea what the big deal was about. I mean this dude said.

"This was one of the most Offensive, unpleasent, and really evil comics i've read in a long-time-and that's saying something considering the amount of miller and Ennis I've read."

I mean, obviously this dude has never read any Miller or Ennis. If he did he would have seen that what went on in Cap #15 was pretty much Disney level s**t compared to some of the stuff Ennis did in Punisher or Preacher. I mean, am I missing something here? Did everybody else get a different copy than what I did?

[Eric Draven]

It sounds kind of like this thread:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65791

Does the guy sound a bit familiar? :o

[Anubis]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same guy. Hehe, loser.

[Eric Draven]

Man, reading that thread gave me the biggest laughs ever. It's like talking to a wall or something.

[GNR]

#17 was awesome.

Yea,Brubaker mentioned over at MillarWorld that Epting was working ahead on the Blitz arc.

[Anubis]

bump

[SpideyInATree]

Damnit! I KNEW there was an official Captain America Thread. I even posted in it before!!!!!! :eek:

I do a search and it didn't show up in it, i thought it may have been deleted.

I really suck. :(

[Anubis]

It's not your fault. The search function on the Hype is to blame.

[SpideyInATree]

I guess it is messed up. I still suck though. :( I mean I've posted in this thread before and I'm a veteran...what kind of example am I setting?

Anyway, lets talk Cap, damnit.

Anybody else think Lukin is going to somehow turn on the Red Skull or screw him in some way? I just see Lukin getting really fed up with this Red Skull stuff. And man, is Brubaker making Bucky super bad ass.

[Anubis]

Hell, he managed to do that from the begining with just flashbacks at how badass the little guy was.

[SpideyInATree]

But it just keeps building and building, man. He took out all those Master Race guys before Sharon and Union Jack even got there, the dude has got some SERIOUS skills.

Though I'm still waiting for him to play a bigger role in the MU as was said many months ago. I'm still only seeing the guy in the pages of Captain America, unless I've missed something.

[Anubis]

He was in Wolverine. I think they said something about him having killed Wolvie's family or something.

[SpideyInATree]

He was in Wolverine. I think they said something about him having killed Wolvie's family or something.

Damn! I dropped Wolverine after Millar and Romita Jr. were done on it. :(

[Anubis]

Me too. I figured I'd just wait for the trade if the buzz said it was any good. To tell you the truth, I haven't heard much about it.

[Darthphere]

I heard the writing is good, other than that...

[Anubis]

It's been okay for the Civil War tie in. I dig Ramos's art. (It's a love it or hate it sort of thing with most people.) I still don't see Wolvie being able to take Nuke or whatever his name is. He better have some help thats all i'm sayin.

[GNR]

Damn! I dropped Wolverine after Millar and Romita Jr. were done on it. :(

That was some great Wolverine right there.

I love Cap!Never knew there was a thread here.

The past 4 issues have been stellar.I'm still looking for the damn trade for Vol.1!!!!!I have issues #9 to current.

[GNR]

It's been okay for the Civil War tie in. I dig Ramos's art. (It's a love it or hate it sort of thing with most people.) I still don't see Wolvie being able to take Nuke or whatever his name is. He better have some help thats all i'm sayin.

It just seems like a typical Wolvie/huntdown story.I avoided it,Ramos' art isn't my thing either.

[stormcloud03]

Captain America is awsome ! If Ms Marvel said it in new avengers ... how can you not agree

[Darthphere]

Captain America is one of those titles I cant wait to sit down and read.

[GNR]

Captain America is awsome ! If Ms Marvel said it in new avengers ... how can you not agree

Hard not to agree with a hot blonde in black leather.

[Sin Eater]

Captain America is the best series going today, easily. I like Steve Epting better than any other artist out there. He's better than Hitch, McNiven, and Cassaday. Look at this stuff!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/1ncap5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/Ca11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/SE.jpg




His storytelling is stellar! His covers can't be beat. The style is a strong one. He makes this book what it is as much as Brubaker does. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a comic and couldn't wait for the next issue so much. It hasn't been since the 80's. Brubaker and Epting are the perfect creative team for this series, and I hope they remain for years!

[GNR]

Captain America is the best series going today, easily. I like Steve Epting better than any other artist out there. He's better than Hitch, McNiven, and Cassaday. Look at this stuff!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/1ncap5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/CAP00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/Ca11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Marvelpics/SE.jpg




His storytelling is stellar! His covers can't be beat. The style is a strong one. He makes this book what it is as much as Brubaker does. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a comic and couldn't wait for the next issue so much. It hasn't been since the 80's. Brubaker and Epting are the perfect creative team for this series, and I hope they remain for years!

Still gotta get that god-damn Vol.1 trade!!!

[GNR]

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom%20Brevoort/entry/319

Epting page from #21.Very cool.

[Darthphere]

Seems like a cover, still looks awesome. You know, id love to see Union Jack helping Cap out, maybe not fighting alongside him or anything but providin him intel and gadgets and such.

[SpideyInATree]

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom%20Brevoort/entry/319

Epting page from #21.Very cool.

I love Epting, he needs to stay on this title forever.

And, on a sidenote, Captain America needs his own Hype smiley, damnit. He's totally getting the shaft.

[3dman27]

cap DOES need a smiley siat you're right

[SpideyInATree]

They could just make the smiley his shield, that'd work just fine.

It's pretty Un-American to not have a Captain America smiley. :p

[3dman27]

right again siat thats what i was thinking

[Darthphere]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/374new_storyimage4643834_full.jpg

[Anubis]

It'll be good to see them finally catch up to Civil War.

[Darthphere]

Yes, I think Sharon's take will be very interesting.

[Anubis]

Think she's gonna side with Cap?

[Darthphere]

I think so. But shes still going to work for SHIELD. In the real world, they would side-line her because of her personal attachment, but since Hill is a *****....

[Anubis]

Yeah, f**k with the guys head. Send the chick he's doin' to capture him. I don't know. She might very well try and bring him in.

[Darthphere]

I dont think she would betray him like that. It seems Hill is showing her the video of Cap's rampage from CW #1, brainwashing her, possibly an edited version of it.

[Bullseye]

This Captain America series has had a rotation of good artists: Lark, Epting and Perkins.

[SpideyInATree]

That would make things interesting if they had Sharon try to bring in Cap, definitely. Though I hope Sharon knows better than that. Hopefully she'll tell Hill to shove it up her hoo ha.

[Darthphere]

That would make things interesting if they had Sharon try to bring in Cap, definitely. Though I hope Sharon knows better than that. Hopefully she'll tell Hill to shove it up her hoo ha.


Two times Tuesday!

[SpideyInATree]

I just noticed that The Hype has added a bunch of new smiley's.

We've now got a Hello Kitty smiley.

But there is STILL NO CAPTAIN AMERICA SMILEY!!! :mad:

I mean Hello Kitty comes before Cap?

Man, The Hype is SO UnAmerican.

[Darthphere]

The Hype hates the troops.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/374new_storyimage4643834_full.jpg
You know, without dialogue, it looks like Carter and Hill are just checking Cap out on the monitors. That first panel even looks like Sharon's all, "omg Cap is soooo hawtt!" and Hill is like, "psshhh, please, b****, like you even gots a chance wit him!"

[Darthphere]

I liked Epting's pencils without colors. Thats easily the best Epting piece ive seen.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Epting's pencils without colors. Thats easily the best Epting piece ive seen.
That's sad, given that it's by Mike Perkins. Check the top-right corner there, chief.

[Darthphere]

That's sad, given that it's by Mike Perkins. Check the top-right corner there, chief.


I cant read, I just look at pictures. But ill just rephrase, that easily the best Perkins piece ive seen.:D

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the inker on Captain America deserves a lot of credit. That's some damn fine inking.

[Darthphere]

His Sharon actually looks pretty hot.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know.

[Darthphere]

Epting's Sharon always looked, like homely, girl next door. Perkins Sharon looks like she'll break you in half.

[GNR]

Finally got the first trade of the issues I was missing.Very good read I must say.It's amazing how the same storylines are still being played out with the series being 20 issues in.They should release one bigass hardcover of all the issues before CW since it's all essentially one story.

Question,I'm only missing #8,the issue after the Nomad book.Anything significant happen in #8?

[GNR]

I think D'Armata deserves ultimate kudos.He's been doing some damn fine coloring in this book,DD and MK.

[Darthphere]

Finally got the first trade of the issues I was missing.Very good read I must say.It's amazing how the same storylines are still being played out with the series being 20 issues in.They should release one bigass hardcover of all the issues before CW since it's all essentially one story.

Question,I'm only missing #8,the issue after the Nomad book.Anything significant happen in #8?


Its the beginning of the Winter Soldier arc.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think D'Armata deserves ultimate kudos.He's been doing some damn fine coloring in this book,DD and MK.
Yeah, the whole art team on Cap is great right now. :up:
Epting's Sharon always looked, like homely, girl next door. Perkins Sharon looks like she'll break you in half.
Epting's Sharon looked good, I thought.

[GNR]

Its the beginning of the Winter Soldier arc.

I have #9 on.9 is where Cap and Fury attack Lukin but get stopped.I read the summary page and all but was curious if there was anything more specific.

[Darthphere]

I have #9 on.9 is where Cap and Fury attack Lukin but get stopped.I read the summary page and all but was curious if there was anything more specific.


Not really, pretty standard set-up issue for the arc.

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't remember specifically what happened in #8. Brubaker's been writing one massive story, for all intents and purposes, so it all just flows together.

[Darthphere]

Captain America #21 Preview. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8101)

[GNR]

Marvel should really release a hardcover collecting Bru's first 21 issues.

[TheCorpulent1]

Runs like Brubaker and (for the most part) Epting's make me wish Marvel had an equivalent to DC's Absolute format. :up:

[UK_Stu]

You know, without dialogue, it looks like Carter and Hill are just checking Cap out on the monitors. That first panel even looks like Sharon's all, "omg Cap is soooo hawtt!" and Hill is like, "psshhh, please, b****, like you even gots a chance wit him!"

Perkin's art even has me attracted to Hill...:wow:

[3dman27]

I just noticed that The Hype has added a bunch of new smiley's.

We've now got a Hello Kitty smiley.

But there is STILL NO CAPTAIN AMERICA SMILEY!!! :mad:

I mean Hello Kitty comes before Cap?

Man, The Hype is SO UnAmerican.
but would the smiley be a HEAD SHOT like the others or caps shield?i'd prefer the shield myself

[Darthphere]

Runs like Brubaker and (for the most part) Epting's make me wish Marvel had an equivalent to DC's Absolute format. :up:


Maybe they will. There was once a day when Marvel satted OGN's werent financially viable.

[T'Jai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/374new_storyimage4643834_full.jpgis that ish#22 or page 22 0f the ish?

[GNR]

Whoa whoa,what the heck happened with #21???Wasn't it supposed to ship this week?

[decimator62783]

Anybody who can help me, please, I need it with this question

Some of you (hopefully) are probably familiar with "Microheroes".

I came across one listed under "Captain America" and I don't understand where it is from.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/captain.htm

Regarding the one labelled "Superia" (I know Superia is a villain), I need an explanation from one of the Captain America experts as to what exactly is depicted here. What I mean by that is whether it is just Steve Rogers in an alternate costume, maybe a clone of Steve, or if there is another explanation.

Thank you.

[Bullseye]

August Solicitation for Captain America.

CAPTAIN AMERICA #21
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils & Cover by STEVE EPTING
The "TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY BLITZ" rockets to its conclusion, as Captain America and the man he once called his partner, The Winter Soldier, finally come face-to-face again in the fight to save London! Fan-favorite creators Ed Brubaker and Steve Epting made this Wizard's book of the Year for 2005, and this action-packed issue shows you exactly what all the fuss is about.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

I don't see the issue listed in Diamond's shipping list for August 30. The list may change overnight. I've seen changes the day books are scheduled to be in stores.

[Syn (Mercenary)]

Its coming out on 9-13.

[SpideyInATree]

What an awesome conclusion to this arc. AND HOW COME THERE AREN'T MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT!!!! :cmad:

LAZY, that's what you all are! Or am I the only one reading this fantastic comic book? :oldrazz:

We learn some pretty interesting things at the end of this issue as Bucky makes a phone call to...

Nick Fury

Definitely shocked me.

[GNR]

The whole Fury underground thing since Secret War has been very cool.

I think it was a couple issues ago Cap guessed Buck was working with Fury.

[CaptainCanada]

Issue 17.

[Anubis]

Yeah, good ish.

[Darthphere]

This comic is consistently good. Im worried however about how CW will affect the title's future.

[juggster-rules]

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7011/cap13editeder6.jpg


which book is this ?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

could bucky take over for cap after CW?

[SpideyInATree]

Im worried however about how CW will affect the title's future.

I'm not really that worried. Brubaker kicks all kinds of ass, and the way the conclusion went to Twenty First Century Blitz...I'm more than positive that the Civil War tie in's will be fantastic. Though I believe the only negative I see is that this might get delayed because of the delays to the Civil War mini.

[GNR]

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7011/cap13editeder6.jpg


which book is this ?

DC VS Marvel #3 or 4.I hate Jurgens' art.

[LadyMoira]

I didn't admire the artwork but I have to say I did love seeing Batman and Cap go head to head and interact like that. I especially loved seeing the two brothers be humbled by the sight of their respective creations. Cap and Batman are not by an stretch the most powerful fighters in their respective universes but they are both the most respected as the guys nobody wants to go up against not simply for their physical skills, and their guts but their brilliant tactical moves. Obviously Steve and Bruce have very different personalities and backgrounds but they share a core integrity that made an incredibly interesting match-up-by far the most interesting matchup I thought in the entire Marvel Vs. DC series.

[Darthphere]

I'm not really that worried. Brubaker kicks all kinds of ass, and the way the conclusion went to Twenty First Century Blitz...I'm more than positive that the Civil War tie in's will be fantastic. Though I believe the only negative I see is that this might get delayed because of the delays to the Civil War mini.


Im not talking about the tie-in, im talking about after. The title was so grounded in the Cap works for SHIELD spy motiff that after CW its going to shift the book completely.

[CaptainCanada]

We don't know how Civil War will pan out, but I could see Cap now underground, working with Fury's little cabal (you know he has one), as well as the "Secret Avengers".

SHIELD's role in the series has been pretty modest since issue 14. Since 16, it's mostly been Cap and Sharon partnered up on the road, meeting up with local allies.

[Darthphere]

We don't know how Civil War will pan out, but I could see Cap now underground, working with Fury's little cabal (you know he has one), as well as the "Secret Avengers".

SHIELD's role in the series has been pretty modest since issue 14. Since 16, it's mostly been Cap and Sharon partnered up on the road, meeting up with local allies.


I wonder who Sharon works for.....

[Erzengel]

I was never really a Captain America fan.

But I started reading Civil War and Ultimates and I really began to start liking his character. I'm even scouring Ebay for a Marvel Legends Series 8 figure.

[CaptainCanada]

I wonder who Sharon works for.....
Well, obviously, but take away her SHIELD badge and that doesn't change a huge amount. What I meant was that the rest of SHIELD has had a minimal role.

[Darthphere]

The mission he was undertaking was a SHIELD mission.

[CaptainCanada]

And Cap would never pursue Sin, Crossbones, and Lukin/Skull without SHIELD's say-so?

[Lone Wolf]

I liked this arc and it's conclusion. #21 was a great read. Brubaker has made this title an absolute must. Quality character development, compelling plotlines, first-rate dialogue and a great mix of drama and action make this one of Marvel’s better titles. And it was great to see the CA and Bucky fighting side by side again.

[CaptainCanada]

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Preview of Captain America #22: "The Drums of War" (1 of 3).

Sharon gives Director Hill a piece of her mind.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well,it looks like i have some extra money.Ive always wanted to buy a Captian America TPB,but i dont know of any stories that are decent enough to buy.Added to that is the fact i cant think of any TPB that exists of CA.I did hear of one story in which the President fires Cap and another Captian comes out,but isnt as good as Steve.In the end,Steve Rogers is Captian America.I wonder if that story "President Fires Cap!" is in TPB..

[TheCorpulent1]

And Cap would never pursue Sin, Crossbones, and Lukin/Skull without SHIELD's say-so?
He might, but I'm pretty sure Phere's point is that he didn't. It was a SHIELD mission, ergo SHIELD is still a part of the book. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Cap branch out and do some other stuff besides work for SHIELD. Maybe after he and Bucky finally have their sit-down, they can take a vacation and fight Batroc just for kicks or something.

[CaptainCanada]

He might, but I'm pretty sure Phere's point is that he didn't. It was a SHIELD mission, ergo SHIELD is still a part of the book.
I agree. What I mean is, if Brubaker was writing this story without Cap being involved with SHIELD, it wouldn't affect the story in any noticeable way. Cap's on a SHIELD mission, but, Sharon aside, SHIELD doesn't provide any other support, so it's not something that couldn't be written without SHIELD (or with another agency, like Fury, in SHIELD's place).

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but that's kind of par for the course with Cap and SHIELD. That's why SHIELD and Fury love Cap so much. Put him on a mission and, really, you can sit back and twiddle your thumbs, secure in the knowledge that Cap will get the job done all on his own, and probably quicker than a whole team of SHIELD agents could to boot. ;)

[Anubis]

Cap rocks. Pampered punks beware.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, even when Cap gets his ass kicked, he's still better than Iron Ass. :up:

[GNR]

Cap rocks. Pampered punks beware.

4 realzzz yooooz!!!!11

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, but its a bit of sour grapes.

You don't accept a couple of private jets, a flying sports car, a luxury penthouse in a mansion, and other **** like that then starts playing the class card.

[TheCorpulent1]

What are you talking about? :confused:

[Willowhugger]

Calling tony Stark a rich boy.

Captain's never been particularly resentful of Tony's wealth before and has enjoyed the benefits of it as an Avenger.

[TheCorpulent1]

Blame it on The Ultimates. You know Millar was thinking of Ultimate "Do you think this 'A' stands for France" Cap when he wrote that scene.

[3dman27]

Blame it on The Ultimates. You know Millar was thinking of Ultimate "Do you think this 'A' stands for France" Cap when he wrote that scene.
yeah mr millar and bendis get the ultimate and 616 cap&spidey mixed up ALL TOO OFTEN:ninja:

[Darthphere]

Calling tony Stark a rich boy.

Captain's never been particularly resentful of Tony's wealth before and has enjoyed the benefits of it as an Avenger.


I think getting your ass beat 4 ways to Sunday is going to change all that. Seriously, like you dont say stuff you dont normally say when youre angry.:whatever:

[Knives122]

I think getting your ass beat 4 ways to Sunday is going to change all that. Seriously, like you dont say stuff you dont normally say when youre angry.:whatever:

Don't forget bleeding, bruised, fractured bones, and almost having a wall fall on you.

[LadyMoira]

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I think getting your ass beat 4 ways to Sunday is going to change all that. Seriously, like you dont say stuff you dont normally say when youre angry.:whatever:


Don't forget bleeding, bruised, fractured bones, and almost having a wall fall on you.

Not to mention what probably pissed Cap off most of all; that he has to be fighting this dumb war in the first place and is now a fugitive of the country he has worked so hard and sacrificed so much to defend. Small wonder he'd be getting a little cranky by this point. Don't get me wrong I like it even better when he's his usual boy scout self; but even a boy scout occasionally gets fed up and it's only human Cap would as well. I have to say I wasn't really into Captain America before, (I sadly neglected that all important bit of comic book history,) but in between CW and finally reading Marvels and The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay I decided to do my homework and I'm now a lot more into the character once I realized that Steve Rodgers wasn't about fighting specifically for the American government rather than for American ideals. It's also interesting how he's by far the biggest "success" story of all these super-soldier experimental programs despite being originally a puny feeble kid with no fighting experience because in his case the doc in question was a lot more careful about the mental state and psychological profile of the subject in question than subsequent doctors were-they may have ended up with soldiers who were stronger or more powerful but none who were as great leaders or who have performed so admirably.

[CaptainCanada]

Another good issue this week.

All in all, things are going pretty well for Cap this week. Not only is his girlfriend not willing to turn him in, but he got some (good) action as well.

I almost expected to see Red Skull meeting with Iron Man at the end, given how unsympathetically Iron Man is portrayed in a lot of these.

This issue is all about Sharon, and Brubaker did a great job writing her position; she supports the Act, since, apart from Cap and Falcon, she has little use for most heroes, but she dislikes the enforcement policies (I suspect one reason she wishes Cap was onside was, if he was, he would be leading the enforcement, and would do it better).

[LadyMoira]

So Faustus is "leading" Sharon to be more in love with Cap? What happens when the enchantment fades?!? It seems a shame since Sharon and Steve really do seem like they're good together. And no I don't mean in just *that* way you perverts.

[CaptainCanada]

So Faustus is "leading" Sharon to be more in love with Cap? What happens when the enchantment fades?!?
Well, they were involved before, so hopefully they'll stay together.

[GNR]

I'm giving this book 10/10 even though my store didn't have it today.

[SpideyInATree]

A good issue. I thought there for a second that Sharon was going to go through and betray Cap, but glad that she didn't.

And the nice little Red Skull twist was a nice treat. Good to know that albeit we're getting a Civil War tie-in now that Bru is keeping up with the ongoing Cap storyline, that AWESOME!

[Iron Fist]

Great issue, can anyone support me with info on who Faustus is?

[Lone Wolf]

Great issue, can anyone support me with info on who Faustus is?
Doctor Faustus, real name Johann Fennhoff first appeared in Captain America vol. 1 #107 and is a criminal mastermind/psychiatrist who has worked with both the Red Skull and Moonstone in the past. Typically he battles Cap and uses psychological tactics to try and drive him insane.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Calling tony Stark a rich boy.

Captain's never been particularly resentful of Tony's wealth before and has enjoyed the benefits of it as an Avenger.
It's not a comment about Tony's wealth. It's a statement about his quality as a man. Cap wasn't playing the class card, he was just calling him a softer, weaker individual than himself. Both of their actions in this horribly plotted beast indicate the truth of that.

I've really liked everything I've read of Millar's (Wolverine rocked!) but this is just horrible. Except for Cap EVERY major player is poorly characterized...or worse... acting like their arch nemesis!! The only thing that could possibly explain this nonsense is if some outside influence has taken over Reed & Tony.

[3dman27]

Doctor Faustus, real name Johann Fennhoff first appeared in Captain America vol. 1 #107 and is a criminal mastermind/psychiatrist who has worked with both the Red Skull and Moonstone in the past. Typically he battles Cap and uses psychological tactics to try and drive him insane.
you might say he's the DR.PHIL of evil :ninja:

[Red X]

I think getting your ass beat 4 ways to Sunday is going to change all that. Seriously, like you dont say stuff you dont normally say when youre angry.:whatever:

True, but when have you known Cap to do it before?

[SpideyInATree]

you might say he's the DR.PHIL of evil :ninja:

I thought Dr. Phil was just evil to begin with, but ok.

[hippy fascist]

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The Winter Soldier enters the Civil War and the Red Skull lays the groundwork for his greatest revenge in Captain America #23 as the “Drums of War” continue.

Captain America’s life has been completely turned upside down with the passing of the Super Human Registration Act. After the events of last issue, which saw Sharon Carter and Cap’s relationship pushed to the breaking point because of Civil War, things continue to get worse for Steve Rogers.

Since he learned that his long-thought-dead sidekick is among the living, Captain America has desperately been trying to catch up with Bucky, or as he is now known, the Winter Soldier. But the Winter Soldier comes across another aging war hero instead – Nick Fury.

Nick Fury has been underground since the events of Secret War, but will this new war be enough to get him to resurface? Plus, what is his connection to the Winter Soldier and what reprecussions will this have on the Civil War?

Captain America’s greatest enemy, the Red Skull, has slowly been ensuring Cap’s downfall and now with the start of a Civil War, it is the perfect opportunity to see his plans to fruition. The Skull will form a deadly alliance that will make the entire Marvel Universe tremble beneath their heels; but what major player will it be?

The “Drums of War” play on in the pages of Captain America #23 as Civil War continues, featuring a spotlight on the Winter Soldier and a new devlopment with the Red Skull that no one will see coming.


CAPTAIN AMERICA #23 (AUG062040)
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Penciled by MIKE PERKINS
Cover by STEVE EPTING
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC – 10/5, On-Sale – 10/25/2006




So we're apparently not only getting the return of the Winter Soldier, but also the return of D-Man.