Possibilites.

[Silverstein]

Okay this is an idea I came up with for how they could work Spider-man 3. And possibly pull in Venom.

THC will play a scientist, world reknown for his work on bio-organics and such. He's been working on a project that can amplify someone's stregnth, agility, and is also able to camoflage and is somewhat of a body armor.

That sounds like a lot but it's not even a main part of the film it is simply mentioned and it's what he is working on.

Spider-man is fighting the lizard, Dr. Curt Connors, who was working in the same facility, but down stairs when he transformed. Spidey is knocked through the doors and into one of Thomas Hayden Church's machines. Specifically the bio-organic suit. Spidey has a metal shard sticking in his arm, he rips it out and throws it down. It lands on the suit, and is blood is sucked into the costume. It turns black.

Anyway, Spidey gets up to fight while THC is screaming about his projects. and spidey is screaming for him to get out while he holds the Lizard off. Spidey tells him to call the cops to make sure no one gets hurt. THC ignores spidey and continues to yell, when The Lizard tail whips THC into a sand machine. It was explained in the beginning of the movie, when they were explaining the work that THC has done, that this sand machine was made to ignite sand grains with nuclear radiation or something to change the molecules into something that can be harnessed for an energy source. *(Work with me, here. Just think of some logical use of sand and insert it here)
It malfunctions, with THC nearby and explodes...

THC is covered in the radiated sand and crawls out, appearing to melt. GHe is screaming and jumps out of the window...onto the shore below. Spidey runs over, and can only see sand, he thinks that THC must have ran off or something. He really doesn't have time to think, as the Lizard throws a steel beam that hits him and knocks him out the window into the water.

-Later-

The daily bugle attempts to blame spidey for the damage to the laboratories, but the security crew, and the cameras testify to the media that spidey was fighting some kind of lizard creature. So everyone is debating what happened to Thomas Hayden Church.(The doctor's name was William Baker, so instead of calling him THC, I'll call him that from now on.) Most people agree that he died.

Meanwhile. Parker comes into work a few days later, having called out a few sick days. It seems that Eddie Brock (Topher) has been taking Peter's place. He's a rival photographer and is apparently smart enough to simply buy a spider-man costume and take pictures of himself, to sell to the bugle. He used computer programs to make it look like he can climb walls. So Eddie Brock has been doing Pete's job, and doing well too.
Jonah tells them that the Lizard has been seen downtown, and that they should both head over to get pictures. Peter runs, off right away, Topher/Brock stops and tells JJJ something like "This job is really important to me. I do my job seriously, and it's an honor working for you, sir." JJJ has had his eager stroked and is charmed by Brock and tells him that he reminds him of his son. Brock runs out.

-Later, At the scene-
Spidey webs his camera to a building, he begins to have an incredible fight with the lizard, getting a bunch of pictures. Brock shows up late, he's trying to take pictures, but the fight is too dangerous to get closer.
Spider-man climbs up a wall, but The lizard can climb too, so they're fighting on the side of a building. Luckily, for peter it's right near his camera so he's getting fantastic shots. While Brock's pictures are out of view, and blurry because everyone is moving so fast.
The lizard is defeated, falls a few stories and lands on top of a car. He is knocked out and thus turns back into Curt Connors.

Fill the rest of the movie with Harry saying "Takin pictures of the bug?!" and Mary Jane saying "give me smoochies!" That is....until they hear about a continuous stream of robberies. No sign of break in or anything, only grains of sand.
Spider-man somehow catches William Baker and asks him his name, because spidey doesn't recognize him. He replies "Flint Marko!!" he's smart, remember? He came up with this alias so that he could live the life of a wealthy scientist, and at the same time be Sandman. Live the life of adventure. He's not exactly evil, but he's in no way good. He's not possessed or insane, he just wants. He's greedy.

Fill the rest of the movie after that with incredible battles and Eddie Brock continually screwing up and getting showed up by Peter Parker. finally Peter remembers the incident and figures out that Flint Marko is actually William Baker, the scientist.
Peter explains that he was friends with his collegues Curt Connors and Otto Octavius. And that they turned to crime. He doesn't have to. Baker explains that he's always lived a boring life. He's not so different from spider-man. They both are members of the community who do their share, but when in costume are above the law. They simply have different things to do once in costume.
Sandman asks Spider-man who he is under the mask, and Spidey explains that he is every bank teller, innocent person, jewelry store owner that Sandman has robbed. Brock shows up behind Sandman, dressed like Spider-man. He sprays Sandman with a fire exstinguisher. The cold air stops Sandman's molecules from moving so fast, and slows him down enough to be hit.
Spider-man sees this, and so since they are fighting in like a lab or something, spidey hits him with all kinds of nitrogen until the guy is a block of ice. He does a swirling aerial kick that shatters all the pieces.

The battle is over. Spidey lectures topher/Brock about jumping into danger. He tells him that he's going to get himself killed if he keeps it up, he's seen Brock there at every battle getting closer and closer to the fight until this. So he unmasks Brock in front of everyone and webs him down to the street, hanging from a lamp post by his belt. Everyone laughs at Eddie Brock and he's trying to hide his face from the shame.

Spidey is talking to a woman who is apparently the chief of police or something important like that. She tells him that with the recent rise of super powered people, they're going to need some kind of prison built specifically to house them. Spidey suggests an island, most villains can not swim well. Sandman for instance would disintergrate if he tried to escape. He tells her to keep him in a cold room to slow him down, so he can not escape or shape shift. He swings off.

Very end of the movie now. Brock has been fired, after having been laughed out of the office by JJJ. He blames spider-man for humiliating him and he blames PArker for making him seem so useless as a photographer. Before all the stuff with spider-man and PEter PArker he was an accomplished photographer and blah blah blah whine whine whine. He's walking down the street at night, comes near the lab where Sandman was created at the end of the movie. He then continues walking until he comes to a park. Lying on a bench is a black costume with a large white spider on it. Brock smiles..

The last scene is of Topher Grace's voice. He sounds slightly insane now, and rugged. He says that he can be anything spider-man is and better. He has to be a hero and save the city from spider-man's evil. He begins to speak in third person(?) "We need to stop spider-man. We can not allow evil to hurt all these people just like he hurt us." As he is speaking we see a nighttime skyline. It's raining and storming. Lighting flashes on a rooftop and we see that no one is there. "...We..are Venom..." the audience hear a growl, see lightning, then thunder and then Venom is on the previously empty rooftop. His tongue is dripping with green slime. He rushes forward and then credits.

What do you think? Keep in mind I'm not trying to write a fan fic here. And I'm also not trying to write a skit or anything. This is my idea as to how we could introduce these characters without any long explanation that takes like 4 movies.

[Symbiotica]

...we already have at least three known villains. How many you think they're going to stuff into one movie, the Six aside? [which we ain't getting, but that's another post.]

Death, destruction and a hail of burning lava-fragments upon the idea of Grace being Eddie Brock. This idea is almost laughable in its sheer unsuitability, it's like casting Whoopi Goldberg as MJ. Bad idea.

NEXT!

[Lethal Venom]

...we already have at least three known villains. How many you think they're going to stuff into one movie, the Six aside? [which we ain't getting, but that's another post.]

Death, destruction and a hail of burning lava-fragments upon the idea of Grace being Eddie Brock. This idea is almost laughable in its sheer unsuitability, it's like casting Whoopi Goldberg as MJ. Bad idea.

NEXT!haha I'd love to see Whoopi Goldberg do that ;)

[Silverstein]

First, we don't know what a blonde Topher Grace with a little more weight is capable of. Secondly, have you seen Ultimate Venom. I know you have so really..I don't know why you mock the idea. I've read your posts before, why does it make such a difference to you?
And anyway Venom wouldn't be a villain until the forth movie, as I stated above. S-M3 would only have two villains. And really The Lizard only does so much. It's almost as if they take turns as the villain of the story. As soon as Lizard is locked away, sandman begins a crime spree. So where do you see problem with the number of villains?
Most people are saying that the villains of S-M3 will be Electro and Sandman. I'm simply replacing Electro with The Lizard. And making Topher Grace more of a side character as he is developing.

How can you compare something as ridiculous as Whoopi Goldberg who is african american and like 50 to Mary Jane with Topher Grace and Ultimate-style Eddie Brock? The movies are following closer to the ultimate series of books anyway. It's somewher inbetween. So I'm making this inbetween. Why don't you give me a serious critisism than the insult you labeled me with here?

If it's because you don't like the actor, then that's a horrible way to judge if he can play the role. I greatly dislike Brad Pitt, but at the same time I don't doubt his acting skill and talents. I actually liked Mr. And Mrs. Smith.

[Gamma Burst]

First, we don't know what a blonde Topher Grace with a little more weight is capable of. Secondly, have you seen Ultimate Venom. I know you have so really..I don't know why you mock the idea. I've read your posts before, why does it make such a difference to you?
And anyway Venom wouldn't be a villain until the forth movie, as I stated above. S-M3 would only have two villains. And really The Lizard only does so much. It's almost as if they take turns as the villain of the story. As soon as Lizard is locked away, sandman begins a crime spree. So where do you see problem with the number of villains?
Most people are saying that the villains of S-M3 will be Electro and Sandman. I'm simply replacing Electro with The Lizard. And making Topher Grace more of a side character as he is developing.

How can you compare something as ridiculous as Whoopi Goldberg who is african american and like 50 to Mary Jane with Topher Grace and Ultimate-style Eddie Brock? The movies are following closer to the ultimate series of books anyway. It's somewher inbetween. So I'm making this inbetween. Why don't you give me a serious critisism than the insult you labeled me with here?

Don't bother with that.It's easier for her to criticize.Probably she don't know the comics at all :cool: :spidey:

[Silverstein]

Thanks, man. But that's just it. You don't have to..people have posted the pic of Eddie Brock in ultimate s-m. She would have only needed to see the thread, and I think she posted on that one.

[Gamma Burst]

Thanks, man. But that's just it. You don't have to..people have posted the pic of Eddie Brock in ultimate s-m. She would have only needed to see the thread, and I think she posted on that one.

That's why you don't have to bother at all,mate:) Be cool:spidey:

[Démon]

Sorry, but I really can't see Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, or the Sandman being a scientist. Scientists have already been used as the villains in the last two, and it'd be kind of repetitive to have him be one - especially since his comic character was a thug, with thug mentality (Despite what everyone says, I actually find a thug villain refreshing compared to a villain who is some sort of genius and mentor/idol/friend to Peter.).
Topher just doesn't seem like a good Eddie Brock, and I can't even see him as the Ultimate Brock either. Remember that there is acting required for the Venom half as well, and Topher Grace really doesn't fit the type of menace required for Venom. I could see him being another Spidey villain, but not Venom.

[Goblin5679]

Don't bother with that.It's easier for her to criticize.Probably she don't know the comics at all :cool: :spidey:


I have seen her other post before,she knows her stuff.

[Goblin5679]

While I wouldn't expect a huge bodybuilder,I would expect someone to be casted to some what resemble Brock from the comic.Plus I don't see Venom being thrown in with Sandman or Harry's story.

[spiderfan08]

you really thought this through. the story goes great. it all makes sense. i just think that it is a little TOO much. do you know what i mean? you have sandman, M.J., harry, bugle, and peter struggles in there. i think there is just too much at one time. i like the fact that you tried to introduce brock while other villians are being played so that when venom is a villian we don't have to go through that. we can just see spidey and venom fight. nicely done but too much. i also don't see topher being the one to play brock/venom.

[Silverstein]

I just read up about Ultimate Venom and Ultimate Spider-man. Basically what happens is that Peter finds tapes in the basement from his father and the father of his childhood friend, Eddie Brock. Eddie is a college student only a few years older than Parker.
Anyway the tape says that their father's were scientist and created a suit that would heal the patient who wore it. A cure for cancer? (possibly HIV and other things too)...
Spidey wears it gets a little evil, blames the suit and wants to destroy it. Eddie finds out that pete is spider-man and blah blah blah until Eddie agrees and let's parker take the sample to incenerate it. Then he, as spidey destroys the sample, takes out another sample and curses parker and all that.
He becomes venom and they fight, ending with venom getting electricuited in the rain.

spiderfan08, you are probably right about there being just too much for the audience in what I wrote. But my idea is to try to pull in from both stories. Have them start out on the same level maybe even be friends. Then become rivals then degrade into enemies. And make the symbiote genetically engineered. Aliens and secret wars can not happen.

As for Topher, I'm just trying to work out the story from the little grains of information that we have. Topher grace is in the movie, so is THC and rumours of Sandman. So I'm just working with what we have you see.

I put the lizard in there so we could start the movie with action and show that Spidey has not stopped battling evil. But you could always replace all of what I said about the lizard with Sandman, simply having him start his life of crime earlier.

And okay try this....instead of Sandman being a scientist, let's say he was a thug that broke in trying to steal technology to sell on the black market or something, and spidey tries to stop him, but he rfights him and runs away, hiding inside of some kind of room. The door locks Flint inside and he is turned into Sandman.

so that way there is less going on. Honestly though, I can't see a good movie happening if Eddie Brock is introduced and becomes Venom in the same movie. They would have to rush by everything in order to stay true with who Venom is. He hates spidey, and no one has been introduced to have an actual reason.

That is....that is unless they make John Jameson, Venom. Peter "stole" his wife, and has given him angst and such. And from what he knows Spider-man saved his wife, making him like useless..And then the very next day MJ became a runaway bride. He has reason to hate spidey and peter parker. Let's just all hope that doesn't happen though.

[Symbiotica]

First, we don't know what a blonde Topher Grace with a little more weight is capable of. Secondly, have you seen Ultimate Venom. I know you have so really..I don't know why you mock the idea. I've read your posts before, why does it make such a difference to you?SNIP!....

How can you compare something as ridiculous as Whoopi Goldberg who is african american and like 50 to Mary Jane with Topher Grace and Ultimate-style Eddie Brock? The movies are following closer to the ultimate series of books anyway. It's somewher inbetween. So I'm making this inbetween. Why don't you give me a serious critisism than the insult you labeled me with here?

How can I compare the two....? Because your idea of Grace as any incarnation of Brock is, very frankly, not holding anything back.... a stupid one. You are not the first to embrace this stupid idea, and you won't be the last. That makes it no less stupid.

Who gets cast as Brock "makes a difference" to me because, hold the phone....! I am actually a Venom fan, one who is ~NOT~ willing to see the character raped, gutted and then hung out to dry Predator-style in the name of getting him onscreen any which way I can.

Unlike many in this forum.

Please.... point out the instances of this franchise following Ultimate continuity more closely than 616. I am honestly waiting for this with interest.

[Symbiotica]

Don't bother with that.It's easier for her to criticize.Probably she don't know the comics at all

I find that literally laugh out loud funny, that *I* am being accused of "not knowing the comics" by people espousing TOPHER.

GRACE.

AS.

VENOM,

BWA-HAHAHAHAHA!

[reaches for a Kleenex, to wipe away tears of mirth]

...tell ya what, fanboy, why don't you actually break down and READ A FEW ARCS with Venom in them, before you get all high and mighty about how Grace would make a great Venom. BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[exits, still laughing out loud] Who says this place ain't funny! LMAO!

[POWdER-man]

*Jeopardy music playing in the background....*

"Do doo do do, do doo do.
Do doo do do......"

[Symbiotica]

"Contestant number one, what was your answer to our question...?

'Tom Cruise should be Venom'? OOOOOOH, I'm sorry, that is incorrect! How much did you bet...? Everything? Well, nice knowing you, it was fun having you on the show......now what about contestant number two...?"

[Silverstein]

How can I compare the two....? Because your idea of Grace as any incarnation of Brock is, very frankly, not holding anything back.... a stupid one. You are not the first to embrace this stupid idea, and you won't be the last. That makes it no less stupid.

Who gets cast as Brock "makes a difference" to me because, hold the phone....! I am actually a Venom fan, one who is ~NOT~ willing to see the character raped, gutted and then hung out to dry Predator-style in the name of getting him onscreen any which way I can.

Unlike many in this forum.

Please.... point out the instances of this franchise following Ultimate continuity more closely than 616. I am honestly waiting for this with interest.

It's not stupid. It's my opinion and you really have no right to say that it is stupid or anything. You're not a writer for the comics or the movie, so your opinions are no more valid than anyone elses, mine included. And mine are no better than yours.
Though I noticed that you still have not explained anything else besides your angst against Topher Grace as Venom. And anyway, I am a fan of Venom. But I know the difference between dreams and reality. It would be nice to find Marvel Original Eddie Brock. But that won't happen, sure there are actors who could fit the role....But I'd rather see him on the screen in a psuedo-realistic way than to try to rush him in and ruin the movie.
You keep arguing over Topher Grace. That wasn't the point. Like I said in the post right before you posted, I was simply working with what is known about the movie. The point of this thread is about the idea in bringing the characters across. If it will allow you to focus on the idea here, then in your mind pick an actor to play Venom and then replace every line that I have about Topher with that person's name.
As for those instances, I said that the movies are somewhere inbetween Ultimate and Original. It's as if you aren't actually reading what I'm saying only finding points that you want to condemn and then you only speak of those. With reasoning like that, I'm leaning closer towards agreeing with Jason.
You're saying things are stupid with no authority to say that whatsoever. Then you're telling people who think Grace could play Brock, to read the books. Well why don't you read Ultimate Spider-man? I think he would perfectly play that Venom. No it was not a tough chuncky, hard ass...It was a skinny college boy. He was not much older than Peter.
And then you laugh and mock as if you're correct. Well I don't know how it's been around here, but why don't you try responding seriously. You aren't making anyone except yourself look foolish. Your sarcasm, mockery and laughter is highly uncalled for. I have nothing against you and I'm still willing to hear your piece if you would open your mind to other opinions besides your own.

"Okay this is an idea I came up with for how they could work Spider-man 3. And possibly pull in Venom."

This is my first line. This is the point of the thread. Topher Grace, Tom Cruise, Bradd Pitt or me, that's not the point. I was NOT trying to pick dream roles. but that's all you've been complaining about.

[DareDemon]

You're a very obnoxious person, Sym.

I like the suit's origin, it makes it quick, and still makes as much sense as possible for a comic book. I think you have a good main idea, I just think some details need to be worked out.

[Symbiotica]

[cuts through the crap]

It would be nice to find Marvel Original Eddie Brock. But that won't happen

.... Exactly why not? Please do explain why it makes more sense to cast Brock as a 90-lb. weakling than close to physical type. Why will this "not happen"?

You're saying things are stupid with no authority to say that whatsoever. Then you're telling people who think Grace could play Brock, to read the books. Well why don't you read Ultimate Spider-man? I think he would perfectly play that Venom.

First, I DO say it's stupid "with authority."

What authority? Two kinds: the authority granted by dint of basic intelligence/reasoning power, and the authority granted by being familiar with many Venom arcs.

Second, I am already familiar with Ultimate Venom. However I am still waiting for an explaination of how [as you stated earlier] these films are following Ultimate continuity more closely than 616. How is that?

Since they're not, why would we suddenly switch horses midstream and bring in 20-year-old Ultimate Eddie? Was movie GG a flying giant troll....? No. Why would Venom become Ultimate Eddie?

We may see modifications to the origin a la Ultimate. But as far as seeing 90-lb-weakling Ultimate Eddie Brock show up, I am sorry, I don't see it happening.

It would be [pardon me] stupid if he did.

And then you laugh and mock as if you're correct. Well I don't know how it's been around here, but why don't you try responding seriously.

Welllllll..... I am correct. And I am responding as seriously as possible; I don't think you realize how funny many of your postulations are to serious symbiote fans.

I am indeed open to sensible suggestions. Grace as Venom is not sensible.

However, this is all a tempest in a teapot, since I would be willing to bet money he isn't. Smart money says grace will appear as at least Max Dillon. Full-fledged Electro is unlikely, but Dillon... very possible.

If 616 Eddie is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[Symbiotica]

You're a very obnoxious person, Sym.

Oh, cry me a river. Dislike my posts? Put me on Ignore; don't whine. I have many people on Ignore, and not a one of them has a single solitary clue about it.

[DareDemon]

I don't want to put you on ignore. I want the ability to read everyone's opinions, maybe one of them can sway me. And I wasn't whining...it was barely a sentence :confused:

You may or may not read this, I might be on your ignore list now, tee hee.

[Venom_uk]

Oh my god! There's still s**t like this going on over here? I thought all this kinda crap had died down now. I worry about some people I really do...:(

[POWdER-man]

Hey if this doesn't say Topher Grace than I don't know what would.
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http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/Powderman_22/venom5.jpg

[The Geek Vault]

Ok, why does everyone want Venom. Gotta admit he's cool but here's how I see it. He'll be in nubma 5 (SM3 is sandman and goblin and SM4 is lizard way I see it) and in numba six he'll have to team up with Spidey like in all classic sequals and they have to fight Carnage

[The Joker]

Hey if this doesn't say Topher Grace than I don't know what would.
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http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/Powderman_22/venom5.jpg

Oh wow the resemblence is uncanny.No wonder they cast him in the comedy 'That 70's show' :p

Seriously you people wonder why some posters get irritated when you seriously propose the idea of meek little Topher Grace as Venom.

Are you even Spider-Man fans???? Strike that are you even Venom fans??? Could you tell the difference between him and the Spot if they passed you on the street???

Because the Spot is the only villain I see Topher having a resemblence to.Maybe that's who he'll be :rolleyes:

It's like proposing Danny DeVito for Carnage :yellow:

[Venom_uk]

I still think the whole "anyone that mutters the words 'Venom' & 'Topher Grace' in the same sentance should be banned" rule should be brought into effect...:venom:

[POWdER-man]

I second that.....

[Gamma Burst]

The only problem over here is that a certain person doen'st have any respect for opinions(evrything is stupid).About Topher...he probably wont be not even a villain(my opinion).:spidey:

[spideyfan1988ca]

If you look in the thread about who Grace should be in SM3 they have two articles that confirmed that he and Church are the two villians.

[Herr Logan]

Oh wow the resemblence is uncanny.No wonder they cast him in the comedy 'That 70's show' :p

Seriously you people wonder why some posters get irritated when you seriously propose the idea of meek little Topher Grace as Venom.

Are you even Spider-Man fans???? Strike that are you even Venom fans??? Could you tell the difference between him and the Spot if they passed you on the street???

Because the Spot is the only villain I see Topher having a resemblence to.Maybe that's who he'll be :rolleyes:

It's like proposing Danny DeVito for Carnage :yellow:

He was perfect as the Penguin, so he could damn well do a good job as Carnage!! :mad:

:p

This thread makes Baby Jesus cry so much, nobody's going to be getting any sleep for a long, long time.

:wolverine

[Venom_uk]

Yep. We know that Topher is a Villain *shudders*. We just don't know which villain yet... Hobgoblin seems the only logical one to me.

& Spider-Jason, not being funny or anything but the idea of Topher playing Eddie/Venom IS a dumb idea. It would be, like Doc Ock just said, having Danny Devito as Carnage...

[Herr Logan]

Yep. We know that Topher is a Villain *shudders*. We just don't know which villain yet... Hobgoblin seems the only logical one to me.

& Spider-Jason, not being funny or anything but the idea of Topher playing Eddie/Venom IS a dumb idea. It would be, like Doc Ock just said, having Danny Devito as Carnage...

Hell, there's nothing funny about that kind of stupidity. A few sitcoms get a lot of comic mileage out of perpetually stupid characters. The stupid thoughts we see posted here are from real people who make real decisions in the real world, somewhere. Scary and sad, isn't it?

:wolverine

[Venom_uk]

Hell, there's nothing funny about that kind of stupidity. A few sitcoms get a lot of comic mileage out of perpetually stupid characters. The stupid thoughts we see posted here are from real people who make real decisions in the real world, somewhere. Scary and sad, isn't it?

:wolverine
Damn! When you say it like that yes, yes it is! *runs for cover*

http://hem.passagen.se/jcv/bilder/bender.gif

"Well, we're boned!"

[Venom Drool]

the idiocy is baffling..and ive been here since 2000 so... big sighs

[DareDemon]

Look at Christian Bale in The Machinist, and compare him to Batman Begins. Now, I really don't think Topher will be Eddie/Venom, but I'd say it's possible. And I won't be as ignorant to say that it's stupid. I'm sure you're all laughing cause you think I'm ignorant, but you can thik what you want and I can think what I want. People, just accept other people's ideas, because in the end, the only ideas that matter are the production team's. We know next to nothing about the movie, so anything could happen.

If you people are getting so angry over this, you should try finding other hobbies. You'll be much happier.

[Symbiotica]

The only problem over here is that a certain person doen'st have any respect for opinions(evrything is stupid).About Topher...he probably wont be not even a villain(my opinion).:spidey:

Amendment: I do not have any respect for stupid opinions.

And one of the stupidest things people out here can espouse is casting against physical type. I was equally vociferous against last year's Idea du Jour that Hal Sparks was going to be Eddie Brock. Um, right. And what happened...? WAS he Brock? Well.

So.... if people do not post silly stuff, I'll let 'em be.

Unfortunately it's pretty conclusive grace is going to be a villain; the quote is over on The Lizard's Baker/Connors thread. Like I said before, IMO Max Dillon is a very likely candidate in that we already have a Goblin [Franco], Church probably is a different character [Sandman] and grace is closest in physical type to Dillon.

Now grace is definitely not who I'd have picked for future-Electro, but if that's who he turns out to be, I'll give him a chance. His being Brock would be totally stupid, and I would'nt give that a chance. At. All.

[braineater]

This is ridiculous...trying to write a book? Blah Blah Blah. Isn't there a word limit per entry...there definitely should be. I want some of my life back, because that was a waste of time. I am now dumber.

Okay this is an idea I came up with for how they could work Spider-man 3. And possibly pull in Venom.

THC will play a scientist, world reknown for his work on bio-organics and such. He's been working on a project that can amplify someone's stregnth, agility, and is also able to camoflage and is somewhat of a body armor.

That sounds like a lot but it's not even a main part of the film it is simply mentioned and it's what he is working on.

Spider-man is fighting the lizard, Dr. Curt Connors, who was working in the same facility, but down stairs when he transformed. Spidey is knocked through the doors and into one of Thomas Hayden Church's machines. Specifically the bio-organic suit. Spidey has a metal shard sticking in his arm, he rips it out and throws it down. It lands on the suit, and is blood is sucked into the costume. It turns black.

Anyway, Spidey gets up to fight while THC is screaming about his projects. and spidey is screaming for him to get out while he holds the Lizard off. Spidey tells him to call the cops to make sure no one gets hurt. THC ignores spidey and continues to yell, when The Lizard tail whips THC into a sand machine. It was explained in the beginning of the movie, when they were explaining the work that THC has done, that this sand machine was made to ignite sand grains with nuclear radiation or something to change the molecules into something that can be harnessed for an energy source. *(Work with me, here. Just think of some logical use of sand and insert it here)
It malfunctions, with THC nearby and explodes...

THC is covered in the radiated sand and crawls out, appearing to melt. GHe is screaming and jumps out of the window...onto the shore below. Spidey runs over, and can only see sand, he thinks that THC must have ran off or something. He really doesn't have time to think, as the Lizard throws a steel beam that hits him and knocks him out the window into the water.

-Later-

The daily bugle attempts to blame spidey for the damage to the laboratories, but the security crew, and the cameras testify to the media that spidey was fighting some kind of lizard creature. So everyone is debating what happened to Thomas Hayden Church.(The doctor's name was William Baker, so instead of calling him THC, I'll call him that from now on.) Most people agree that he died.

Meanwhile. Parker comes into work a few days later, having called out a few sick days. It seems that Eddie Brock (Topher) has been taking Peter's place. He's a rival photographer and is apparently smart enough to simply buy a spider-man costume and take pictures of himself, to sell to the bugle. He used computer programs to make it look like he can climb walls. So Eddie Brock has been doing Pete's job, and doing well too.
Jonah tells them that the Lizard has been seen downtown, and that they should both head over to get pictures. Peter runs, off right away, Topher/Brock stops and tells JJJ something like "This job is really important to me. I do my job seriously, and it's an honor working for you, sir." JJJ has had his eager stroked and is charmed by Brock and tells him that he reminds him of his son. Brock runs out.

-Later, At the scene-
Spidey webs his camera to a building, he begins to have an incredible fight with the lizard, getting a bunch of pictures. Brock shows up late, he's trying to take pictures, but the fight is too dangerous to get closer.
Spider-man climbs up a wall, but The lizard can climb too, so they're fighting on the side of a building. Luckily, for peter it's right near his camera so he's getting fantastic shots. While Brock's pictures are out of view, and blurry because everyone is moving so fast.
The lizard is defeated, falls a few stories and lands on top of a car. He is knocked out and thus turns back into Curt Connors.

Fill the rest of the movie with Harry saying "Takin pictures of the bug?!" and Mary Jane saying "give me smoochies!" That is....until they hear about a continuous stream of robberies. No sign of break in or anything, only grains of sand.
Spider-man somehow catches William Baker and asks him his name, because spidey doesn't recognize him. He replies "Flint Marko!!" he's smart, remember? He came up with this alias so that he could live the life of a wealthy scientist, and at the same time be Sandman. Live the life of adventure. He's not exactly evil, but he's in no way good. He's not possessed or insane, he just wants. He's greedy.

Fill the rest of the movie after that with incredible battles and Eddie Brock continually screwing up and getting showed up by Peter Parker. finally Peter remembers the incident and figures out that Flint Marko is actually William Baker, the scientist.
Peter explains that he was friends with his collegues Curt Connors and Otto Octavius. And that they turned to crime. He doesn't have to. Baker explains that he's always lived a boring life. He's not so different from spider-man. They both are members of the community who do their share, but when in costume are above the law. They simply have different things to do once in costume.
Sandman asks Spider-man who he is under the mask, and Spidey explains that he is every bank teller, innocent person, jewelry store owner that Sandman has robbed. Brock shows up behind Sandman, dressed like Spider-man. He sprays Sandman with a fire exstinguisher. The cold air stops Sandman's molecules from moving so fast, and slows him down enough to be hit.
Spider-man sees this, and so since they are fighting in like a lab or something, spidey hits him with all kinds of nitrogen until the guy is a block of ice. He does a swirling aerial kick that shatters all the pieces.

The battle is over. Spidey lectures topher/Brock about jumping into danger. He tells him that he's going to get himself killed if he keeps it up, he's seen Brock there at every battle getting closer and closer to the fight until this. So he unmasks Brock in front of everyone and webs him down to the street, hanging from a lamp post by his belt. Everyone laughs at Eddie Brock and he's trying to hide his face from the shame.

Spidey is talking to a woman who is apparently the chief of police or something important like that. She tells him that with the recent rise of super powered people, they're going to need some kind of prison built specifically to house them. Spidey suggests an island, most villains can not swim well. Sandman for instance would disintergrate if he tried to escape. He tells her to keep him in a cold room to slow him down, so he can not escape or shape shift. He swings off.

Very end of the movie now. Brock has been fired, after having been laughed out of the office by JJJ. He blames spider-man for humiliating him and he blames PArker for making him seem so useless as a photographer. Before all the stuff with spider-man and PEter PArker he was an accomplished photographer and blah blah blah whine whine whine. He's walking down the street at night, comes near the lab where Sandman was created at the end of the movie. He then continues walking until he comes to a park. Lying on a bench is a black costume with a large white spider on it. Brock smiles..

The last scene is of Topher Grace's voice. He sounds slightly insane now, and rugged. He says that he can be anything spider-man is and better. He has to be a hero and save the city from spider-man's evil. He begins to speak in third person(?) "We need to stop spider-man. We can not allow evil to hurt all these people just like he hurt us." As he is speaking we see a nighttime skyline. It's raining and storming. Lighting flashes on a rooftop and we see that no one is there. "...We..are Venom..." the audience hear a growl, see lightning, then thunder and then Venom is on the previously empty rooftop. His tongue is dripping with green slime. He rushes forward and then credits.

What do you think? Keep in mind I'm not trying to write a fan fic here. And I'm also not trying to write a skit or anything. This is my idea as to how we could introduce these characters without any long explanation that takes like 4 movies.

[DareDemon]

You didn't have to read it....no one forced you. If you didn't like it and weren't able to tell if you did or not until the end, well....

[Silverstein]

DareDemon, thanks for having common sense. But really, if people want to whine and complain and sound like children then let them. Symbotica was right about one thing, there comes a time when certain people need to just be put on ignore.
All these fools who have decided to mock me at every turn and not even bother with working with my actual point, what's the point of trying to reason with them? I wanted to be able to have a conversation with anyone on the forum but these people have shown that it's not even really worth it.

"Well if I don't agree with someone, then they're wrong and are stupid and should be banned. I'm going to whine about minor issues and ignore the main point or change the topic and sound like I'm smart and better than everyone else." That's about a summary of the logic. It's pointless to even deal with it.

[Symbiotica]

So be it, Chinese Food.

But what on earth are we to make of such potential plot points as your "The lizard is defeated, falls a few stories and lands on top of a car. He is knocked out and thus turns back into Curt Connors.

Fill the rest of the movie with Harry saying "Takin pictures of the bug?!" and Mary Jane saying "give me smoochies!" That is....until they hear about a continuous stream of robberies. [snip]"....?

...I mean, geez Louise! But that aside, you've drawn so much fire because you're proposing a change which many people here find repellant, and human nature decrees when that happens the proposer is not going to be feeling very comfortable.

People are saying "ban him" because we're tired of at least one person a week posting how Gopher would make a great Venom. We've already seen this happen dozens of times, each time the proposer gets flamed a little worse. The mere idea puts Venom fans in a bad mood.

[Venom Drool]

ok..the point is... post this in another damn thread about castinng venom...

im a frekin venom fan but im not having orgasms over cast possibilities and origin talks...ESPECIALLY when its been done to death and talked about till no end. use the frekin search button. oh how i wish to become a mod oh these here sites :(

[heathm]

dumbest idea for a movie i think i have ever heard, despite the fact the movie is about a geek turned superhero, it is way bending reality. keep it simple

[Daisy]

Unfortunately it's pretty conclusive grace is going to be a villain; the quote is over on The Lizard's Baker/Connors thread.

It's still not a quote from anyone in charge. It's MTV saying Grace is a "villain". It's MTV "interpreting" the quotes about Grace being cast against his "nice-guy" type from That 70s Show and whatnot... just like other places did when the announcement of his casting came. It's one of those things that has been bandied about enough, that "news" organizations are repeating it as fact... even though it's not.

I'm still not buying Grace is a villain, as we've yet to see that confirmed by anyone actually involved in the production. All we've seen from there is vagueness.

Seriously, if they were going to cast him as an actually villain... they'd say it, just like they did with Church. I suggest he's going to be more akin to Flash... an obstacle/headache for Peter Parker, not a villain for Spider-Man.

[spideyfan1988ca]

Topher Grace playing bad guy in 'Spider-Man 3' (Reuters)
Thu May 19th 2005 at 10:41 pm ET

By Borys Kit
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "That '70s Show" star Topher Grace has joined the lineup of "Spider-Man 3," in which he will play one of two villains.

The film's distributor, Columbia Pictures, declined to give further details about his role.

Grace joins Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco, all of whom starred in the first two films. Thomas Haden Church ("Sideways") also has been cast.

"Spider-Man 3" directed by Sam Raimi, is scheduled for release May 4, 2007. The "Spider-Man" film franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion worldwide for Columbia.

This week, Grace made his onscreen exit from Fox's "That '70s Show," on which he starred for the past seven years. His feature work includes "In Good Company" and "Traffic," and memorable cameos in "Ocean's Eleven" and "Ocean's Twelve."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
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Doesn't that CONFIRM that he is a villian, or are they just guessing?

[U.S War Machine]

Man I've said this a thousand times put Topher Grace as Shocker!!!

[spiderfan08]

Man I've said this a thousand times put Topher Grace as Shocker!!!

he wouldn't be bad as skocker or electro. one or the other. he does need to build up though.

[Daisy]

Topher Grace playing bad guy in 'Spider-Man 3' (Reuters)
Thu May 19th 2005 at 10:41 pm ET

By Borys Kit
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "That '70s Show" star Topher Grace has joined the lineup of "Spider-Man 3," in which he will play one of two villains.

The film's distributor, Columbia Pictures, declined to give further details about his role.

Grace joins Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco, all of whom starred in the first two films. Thomas Haden Church ("Sideways") also has been cast.

"Spider-Man 3" directed by Sam Raimi, is scheduled for release May 4, 2007. The "Spider-Man" film franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion worldwide for Columbia.

This week, Grace made his onscreen exit from Fox's "That '70s Show," on which he starred for the past seven years. His feature work includes "In Good Company" and "Traffic," and memorable cameos in "Ocean's Eleven" and "Ocean's Twelve."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
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Doesn't that CONFIRM that he is a villian, or are they just guessing?

Nope it does not confirm that he is a villain. They are EXTRAPOLATING (asssuming... you know what that does ;)) from what Columbia Pictures/Raimi/Arad said, which was:

Topher Grace Joins Spider-Man 3!

Source: Columbia Pictures
May 19, 2005


Topher Grace has joined the cast of Spider-Man 3, it was announced by director Sam Raimi and producers Laura Ziskin and Marvel Studio's Avi Arad.

Grace will join Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, and Thomas Haden Church in the blockbuster franchise.

Spider-Man 3 is scheduled for release on May 4, 2007, and will reunite returning cast members with director Sam Raimi and producers Ziskin and Arad, the successful filmmaking team responsible for the first two films.

The "Spider-Man" film franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion in worldwide ticket sales to date. Production on Spider-Man 3, which was written by Alvin Sargent, is scheduled to begin early next year.

"I couldn't be more excited about the direction we are taking the continuing adventures of Peter Parker," said Raimi. "Topher Grace is an extraordinarily talented actor and will be perfect for the complexities of the role we are developing."

While speculation continues about which characters will be called into action, the studio will not comment on the new roles beyond confirming the casting of Grace and Church.

Spider-Man 3 is being overseen by Columbia's President of Production Matt Tolmach and Shannon Gaulding, Director of Development for the studio.

Grace, who has been a weekly fixture in homes across America in the hit comedy series That '70s Show for the last 7 years, is seamlessly transitioning from the small screen to the big screen. Testament to his success, he has recently been prized with Breakthrough Acting awards by both the National Board of Review and the New York Online Film Critics, for his starring roles in Paul Weitz's In Good Company and Dylan Kidd's P.S.

This winter, Grace starred opposite Dennis Quaid and Scarlett Johansson in In Good Company. And in P.S., which premiered at this fall's Toronto Film Festival, he starred as the romantic lead opposite Laura Linney in an off-beat romantic comedy adapted from the Helen Schulman novel by the same name.

Grace's major breakthrough on film came with his debut role in Steven Soderbergh's Oscar nominated movie Traffic, which he followed-up with a memorable cameo in the Soderbergh's Ocean's Eleven. He also reprises his role, as himself, in the sequel Ocean's Twelve. Earlier this year he could be seen in Robert Luketic's romantic comedy Win a Date With Tad Hamilton!, alongside Kate Bosworth and Josh Duhamel. Before that, he was in last winter's Mona Lisa Smile, opposite Julia Roberts, Kirsten Dunst and Marcia Gay Harden.

He fell into acting in high school in which he starred in plays such as "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum". After high school, he moved out to Los Angeles for college and soon embarked on his acting career with a starring role on That '70s Show, remarkably sans prior industry experience. He currently resides in Los Angeles.


No where does it say he will be playing a villain... just that he is perfect for the complexities of the role they're developing.

Marvel Studios Chairman/ CEO Avi Arad announced Thursday (May 19) that Topher Grace is joining the cast of the upcoming blockbuster "Spider-Man 3." Scheduled for release on May 4,




2007, the third movie in the "Spider-Man" saga will unite the "In Good Company" star with previously announced participants Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco and Thomas Haden Church.

"First we had Tom, [now] we have a very interesting guy joining the cast," said a smiling Arad at MTV's West Coast headquarters. "His name is Topher."

Arad said the presence of Grace — whose role is not yet known — will continue a Marvel movie tradition of casting actors who might not immediately come to mind to portray comic book characters. "That's the fun in this universe. We have a good rule about this: There is no against type. You find someone who brings the role of the individual, not the costumed individual, to life. Before we put Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, if you had said Peter Parker ... if you just did a [survey], I don't think you would have heard too many Tobey Maguires coming to mind."

While Arad and Marvel continue to refuse comment on which characters Grace and Church will play, the 57-year-old Arad did hint that Grace had been cast contrary to the typical nice-guy roles that have made him a household name. "That's a good question," is all he'd say when asked for the identity of Grace's alter ego. "Just before I came here, we were all on the phone with [other Marvel executives] and I said to them, 'Are you nuts? We can't tell anybody who he is. This is all the fun. The fun is figuring out.'

"That's how you have to look at it," Arad said about keeping the fans waiting. "Topher, we believe, is joining the ranks of the incredible actors."

With Church, Arad remains similarly tight-lipped, side-stepping fan rumors that the Oscar-nominated "Sideways" star will take on the villainous role of Sandman. "I don't know," he smiled. "[Church is] all confused, you know, these Texans. Yes, of course he [knows who he's playing]. You know what? The movie is 2007; to be straight about it, it's taking all the fun away. I just love the fact that there are such guessing games going on."

In a statement from Marvel, series director Sam Raimi expressed similar enthusiasm for the casting news. "I couldn't be more excited about the direction we are taking the continuing adventures of Peter Parker. Topher Grace is an extraordinarily talented actor and will be perfect for the complexities of the role we are developing."

While discussing the film, Arad also dismissed rumors that the next two "Spider-Man" movies will be filmed simultaneously, following the cost-cutting formulas of the "Matrix" or "Pirates of the Caribbean" sequels. "Not true," he insisted. "No, it doesn't make sense ... I don't believe it. I don't believe you really save money. What you do, in essence, is you ensure that you book your stars for long enough."

Still, he said excitedly, Peter Parker's next adventure will be the most ambitious one yet. " 'Spider-Man 3' has to be bigger than '1' and '2,' " Arad said, "So storywise it's already bigger, the characters in it are already bigger ... it will already be a handful to [complete it by] May 2007."

More than $1.5 billion worldwide has been taken in by the "Spider-Man" film franchise with its first two installments. "Spider-Man 3," which will be working off a script penned by second-installment writer Alvin Sargent, begins filming early next year.

Again... directly from the horse's mouth (or ass, as some would assert ;)) "complexities" and "cast contrary to typical nice-guy roles"... not "villain" or "the second villain" or "one of the villains".

And I find it perhaps telling that Raimi, in particular, commenting Grace talks of the "continuing adventures of Peter Parker"... not Spider-Man.

[TheSlag]

Arad is the Devil... and Sam is one of his minions. ;)

And God, please don't make him another love interest for MJ.... PLEASE!!!!.

[Daisy]

Please... don't insult the Devil's intelligence. ;)

[Venom_uk]

I stopped reading as soon as vemon was mentioned :P
Probably for the best too be honest ;):up:

[Valorman]

everybody is getting wound up because of speculation about topher playing eddie....ill bet anyone here 10000000 dollars he will NOT be eddie.not because i hate him..because i like the guy..not because he cant fit the role in which honestly i have no prefrence on..simply because....three words

its

not

happening

thats it.case closed

[Venom Drool]

its Venom... jeez...get it right at least one frekin time.. oh..and liazard? what the hell?

[POWdER-man]

Lol

Here you go, this is what he was talking about when he mentioned Vemon....


Vemon (http://otakuworld.com/index.html?/kiss/dolls/?/kiss/dolls/pages/vmon.htm)

[braineater]

I don't understand how Topher Grace can be a villian. He's such a dork...and a bad actor to boot. He may surprise everyone, but I just cannot see it.



Topher Grace playing bad guy in 'Spider-Man 3' (Reuters)
Thu May 19th 2005 at 10:41 pm ET

By Borys Kit
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "That '70s Show" star Topher Grace has joined the lineup of "Spider-Man 3," in which he will play one of two villains.

The film's distributor, Columbia Pictures, declined to give further details about his role.

Grace joins Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco, all of whom starred in the first two films. Thomas Haden Church ("Sideways") also has been cast.

"Spider-Man 3" directed by Sam Raimi, is scheduled for release May 4, 2007. The "Spider-Man" film franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion worldwide for Columbia.

This week, Grace made his onscreen exit from Fox's "That '70s Show," on which he starred for the past seven years. His feature work includes "In Good Company" and "Traffic," and memorable cameos in "Ocean's Eleven" and "Ocean's Twelve."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
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Doesn't that CONFIRM that he is a villian, or are they just guessing?

[Vile]

Who gets cast as Brock "makes a difference" to me because, hold the phone....! I am actually a Venom fan, one who is ~NOT~ willing to see the character raped, gutted and then hung out to dry Predator-style in the name of getting him onscreen any which way I can.


...What movies are you watching, by the by? I think it's safe to say that we've YET TO SEE anything in the Spidey movies that hasnt been raped, gutted and 'hung out to dry Predator-style'. Spidey, GG, Octopus...and now with Sandman and possibly GG2/Hobgoblin...yeah, okay. Venom being played by Topher? I would not be surprised in the LEAST. No sense whining about it if it's true - I mean, how can you NOT see something like that coming?

[Symbiotica]

If you can't understand the difference between the changes in GG and Ock, compared to the changes in Venom that casting Gopher as Eddie would entail.... there's nothing more I can say.

It's like comparing a random street shoot-out to WW3. Both are very bad things you don't want to be in the middle of.

The second one is many degrees worse.

[Vile]

Oh I understand it...my point is, considering how things have been handled in the past with the franchise...It wouldnt surprise me in the least - and thusly, doesnt BOTHER me in the least. I'd expect nothing less from Raimi and co.

[Silverstein]

I know this is from like a year ago. But I was deleting all of the old subscriptions to threads and found this. I'm just wondering what people think about it. I know that my idea for the story was way off. But See how many people who thought Topher wouldn't be Venom, now he is. I don't know if it was a good choice or not. because the movie came out. But it was a possibility that became a reality.

So anything that is looked down upon or laughed at as a possibility for the films can possibly happen...In essence...all points are valid I guess?

[rockportspidey]

Wow. I never saw this thread and I have to say, even though the stuff didn't turn out to be true, you clearly put a lot of effort into it. That's some pretty creative ideas ya got there.

[Silverstein]

Thanks man, that means a lot. I just think it would have been cool if they had of thought that way at the time.

[American_Hobo]

i remember people saying that venom will never be on this movie like they know it if for sure, but guess what?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ok, why does everyone want Venom. Gotta admit he's cool but here's how I see it. He'll be in nubma 5 (SM3 is sandman and goblin and SM4 is lizard way I see it) and in numba six he'll have to team up with Spidey like in all classic sequals and they have to fight Carnage we all want vewnom because hes so freakin COOL!!!, we have been waiting for him to be in a spidey film:sym:.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't understand how Topher Grace can be a villian. He's such a dork...and a bad actor to boot. He may surprise everyone, but I just cannot see it. topher is not a dork, they have made topher look like eddie brock, he looks just like him, hes perfect to play venom, topher is the man!!!!, venom rules.

[American_Hobo]

topher is not a dork, they have made topher look like eddie brock, he looks just like him, hes perfect to play venom, topher is the man!!!!, venom rules.

well to be honset, he doesnt really look like venom..

if they went with ultimate venom version,well...that kind of sucks...