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Peyton Westlake
06-26-2005, 09:36 PM
You know with all the comic movies that have come out in the last 7 years or so, and now with a few re-makes or re-directions with Batman Begins & the upcoming Superman film.......there's one story I'd like to see done again with a big budget, good screen adaption & director. Swamp Thing. This character, if done right, could be a comic movie without being one, you know? It could be leaning more towards the horror elements like when Moore use to write for Swamp Thing in the early 80's. The question is , who would you trust to adapt it to screen again & who would you choose to direct it? Do you think, like me, it could be the the 1st horror/supernatural comic to be big (I don't include Constantine in this category) .What do you think?
pimpernel
06-26-2005, 09:38 PM
David Lynch. ;)
Peyton Westlake
06-26-2005, 09:39 PM
He definitely has a disturbed vision pimpernel.
pimpernel
06-26-2005, 09:43 PM
Y'know i was kinda joking but i think he COULD actually do it. He is no stranger to creature effects (the baby in Eraserhead, all the stuff in Dune) and he could sure as heck get the horror aspect right. :p
Peyton Westlake
06-27-2005, 03:17 PM
LOL, didn't know you were joking. He seemed a legitimate choice.
Peyton Westlake
07-03-2005, 01:16 AM
Would like to go back to this style for Swamp Thing, instead of CGI......
http://www.horrormovies.com/images/ReturnSwampThing.jpg?
GLREBORN
07-03-2005, 09:14 AM
This only proves it...
DC geeks have no life.
Peyton Westlake
07-03-2005, 11:37 AM
I see you're the authority on spotting that GLREBORN.
CrimsonMist
07-14-2005, 03:47 PM
Would like to go back to this style for Swamp Thing, instead of CGI......
http://www.horrormovies.com/images/ReturnSwampThing.jpg?
yea, it would be nice, but a Totleben looking Swamp Thing would be cooler..just alot bigger and scarier.
heh, David Lynch would be interesting.
didnt Len Wein write a script or something for a new movie a while ago?
WalkingDead
07-15-2005, 08:30 PM
You know with all the comic movies that have come out in the last 7 years or so, and now with a few re-makes or re-directions with Batman Begins & the upcoming Superman film.......there's one story I'd like to see done again with a big budget, good screen adaption & director. Swamp Thing. This character, if done right, could be a comic movie without being one, you know? It could be leaning more towards the horror elements like when Moore use to write for Swamp Thing in the early 80's. The question is , who would you trust to adapt it to screen again & who would you choose to direct it? Do you think, like me, it could be the the 1st horror/supernatural comic to be big (I don't include Constantine in this category) .What do you think?
Blade was the first more-horror-than-comic-book-film. It wasn't full-on or true horror, but technically it used many horror elements mixed with all the Action.
Also, the Marvel Swamp Thing rip-off, Man-Thing just had it's made-for-tv movie which is really trying to be a horror movie.
But I see your point, and I would love to have a new Swamp Thing movie true to it's roots (pun not intended) as a real horror comic. Swamp Thing has great potential.
Bruce_Wayne29
07-16-2005, 03:31 PM
I'm all up for it. Swamp Thing is a great and fascinating character. I think it deserves a fresh take on it.
Peyton Westlake
09-12-2005, 11:22 PM
Maybe......Tim Burton. His 1st Batman was very dark. Sleepy Hollow was done fairly well too, maybe his vision on Swamp Thing may be just what is needed.
Sardaukar
09-13-2005, 12:29 AM
The movie would be perfect if it had an ending like Swamp Thing #21, The Anatomy Lesson.
Peyton Westlake
09-13-2005, 12:38 AM
You'll have to help me out on that one Sardaukar.
Peyton Westlake
09-13-2005, 09:22 PM
Maybe another possibility could be Terry Gilliam. He's done 12 Monkeys and Brothers Grimm now, both have some artistic vision.
Isildur´s Heir
09-15-2005, 12:22 PM
I know who should direct, and he would probably be interested in doing it, and it would be great too...one of the greatest and most interesting directors around.
A big fan of the horror and comic book genre...
GUILLERMO DEL TORO
or, if you want to take a risk and give it to a promising young director, visually stunning, that i would to see something new of him, give it to....TARSEM SINGH, the director of The Cell, and currently attached to the Westworld remake.
Peyton Westlake
09-15-2005, 03:41 PM
With Blade II ,Hellboy & working on Hellboy 2, not sure he'd want to do Swampy but he is an interesting choice.
Isildur´s Heir
09-15-2005, 03:44 PM
i´m sure he would...the question is, would he have time?
Peyton Westlake
09-15-2005, 03:54 PM
He'd make time if he wanted it that bad.
Jamie Madrox
09-17-2005, 06:22 PM
That's actually not a bad idea. Guillermo Del Toro would be great choice for Swamp Thing. I love his movies! Blade 2 and Hellboy ruled! And soon he's going to be working on HB2 (which I'm looking forward to). I'm pretty sure if offered to direct, he'd make time to do it, but then again, I'm not sure if he's even interested in the character at all.
Del Toro rules! :up:
Peyton Westlake
09-18-2005, 12:01 PM
I haven't seen WB mentioning Swamp Thing in its plans, after Batman Begins, Superman Returns, and WW. Its a shame because I think with Guillermo, they have a chance at a sleeper hit.
Peyton Westlake
09-18-2005, 08:50 PM
Also, would it be out of the question to invite back Wes Craven if he was promised a biiger budget?
Sardaukar
09-24-2005, 06:08 PM
You'll have to help me out on that one Sardaukar.
The story begins with General Sunderland (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=General%20Sunderland) springing notorious evil scientist (and not coincidentally, plant-man himself) Dr. Jason Woodrue (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Dr.%20Jason%20Woodrue) (aka The Floronic Man (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Floronic%20Man)) from prison to run a full analysis/autopsy/dissection on the Sunderland Corporation's latest acquisition - the corpse of legendary bog (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=bog) monster the Swamp Thing, shot in the head by employees of Sunderland and kept on ice (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=on%20ice) in a fully-automated laboratory (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=laboratory) in the basement. The relationship between Woodrue and Sunderland is a strained one between the self-made man and the twitchy academic whose services are essential to one another - Sunderland requiring Woodrue's scientific and unique approach to unlock the mysteries of the Swamp Thing's body, Woodrue in turn indebted for his freedom, albeit temporary, and other, more personal reasons:
"I remember clearly the moment before I began to cut:
I was very... excited.
Since the bio-chemical fluke that had transformed me, I had longed for a chance to examine another human-vegetable (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=vegetable) hybrid. I could learn so much. So much about myself."
After weeks of no headway - removing and observing non-functional crude vegetable imitations and analogues of human organs - he errantly flips to the wrong page in a reference book and hits upon what he believes to be the true secret behind the Swamp Thing's existence. Swamp Thing was always believed previously to be a plantly incarnation of scientist Alec Holland (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Alec%20Holland), murdered in a sabotage attempt that tossed both his body and an experimental bio-restorative fertilizer formula (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=bio-restorative%20fertilizer%20formula) he was working on into the marsh (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=marsh) out back behind his lab, where the unique circumstances resulted in his assumption of a green and leafy form and superhuman powers. By accidentally reading up on a passage dealing with the ability of planarian worms to run a maze more successfully after being fed the remains of a successful worm (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=the%20ability%20of%20planarian%20wor ms%20to%20run%20a%20maze%20more%20successfully%20a fter%20being%20fed%20the%20remains%20of%20a%20succ essful%20worm) Woodrue hits upon the notion that as the plants in the swamp decomposed the remains of Alec Holland, due to the presence of the formula they managed, like the worms, to retain a strong level of Holland's intelligence, personality and memories, but were not in fact Holland and that a reversal of Holland's fate would never be possible.
"'You see, we were wrong, General.
We thought that the Swamp Thing was Alec Holland, somehow transformed into a plant (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=plant). It wasn't.
It was a plant that thought it was Alec Holland!
A plant that was trying its level best to be Alec Holland...
And that pathetic, misshapen parody downstairs (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=that%20pathetic%2C%20misshapen%20par ody%20downstairs) in the cryochest (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=cryochest) was the closest that it could get.
But there's something else. Something very important.
You see, if that's a plant that we have down there...' 'Dr. Woodrue (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Dr.%20Woodrue)... I think I've heard enough.'"
This breakthrough, this logical leap accomplished, Sutherland believes he has no further use for the criminal scientist "freak" he has been grudgingly tolerating. He thinks that under this model his employees can reverse-engineer the Swamp Thing without further assistance from Dr. Woodrue, and the businessman arrogantly makes arrangements for Woodrue's termination and return to prison right before him. Though the first two beliefs may well be correct, the third action turns out to be a mistake, as Sutherland confidently strolls out from the presence of the now-fired Woodrue, leaving the impotent egghead before the master console controlling every aspect of this ultra-modern facility, from the locks on the doors to the temperature in the basement freezer.
"He should have let me finish. He should have listened.
Then I'd have been able to explain the most important thing of all to him. I'd have been able to explain that you can't kill a vegetable by shooting it through the head (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=you%20can%27t%20kill%20a%20vegetable %20by%20shooting%20it%20through%20the%20head)."
"You see, throughout his miserable existance, the only thing that could have kept him sane was the hope that he might one day regain his humanity...
... the knowledge that under all that slime he was still Alec Holland.
But if he's read my notes he'll know that just isn't true.
He isn't Alec Holland.
He never will be Alec Holland.
He never was Alec Holland.
He's just a ghost.
A ghost dressed in weeds (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=A%20ghost%20dressed%20in%20weeds). I wonder how he'll take it?"
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=822944
Bruce_Wayne29
09-24-2005, 07:40 PM
Maybe......Tim Burton. His 1st Batman was very dark. Sleepy Hollow was done fairly well too, maybe his vision on Swamp Thing may be just what is needed.
That's an excellent idea. I can picture Danny Elfman's music setting the mood already. It would be awesome !
Peyton Westlake
09-25-2005, 09:34 AM
Thanx for the vote of confidence Bruce Wayne 29
Peyton Westlake
09-25-2005, 09:41 AM
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Thanx for the complete synopsis
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
ok I found this but.......
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0792846494.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
I have heard there is another version or cover out there. Is this true? And if so, does it have other supplements this version desn't?
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2005, 10:30 PM
ok I found this but.......
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0792846494.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
I have heard there is another version or cover out there. Is this true? And if so, does it have other supplements this version desn't?
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2005, 10:30 PM
ok I found this but.......
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0792846494.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
I have heard there is another version or cover out there. Is this true? And if so, does it have other supplements this version desn't?
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Sorry for the triple post, not sure why it went thru that way.
CrimsonMist
10-04-2005, 07:27 PM
I know who should direct, and he would probably be interested in doing it, and it would be great too...one of the greatest and most interesting directors around.
A big fan of the horror and comic book genre...
GUILLERMO DEL TORO
eh, no.
Where i liked Hellboy, and didnt really like Blade II, the man overuses CGI in his action sequences. Hellboy was full of crappy looking CGI, and there was too much of it. And i didnt like what he had happen to Liz and HB at the end, same with Blade II. 2 characters who shouldn't get the chick at the end, get the chick at the end(kinda, for blade lol). Where it would be a nessecity for ST and Abigail, i still dont think Del Toro is suited for it.
Burton doing the film would be interesting, but id say get someone dark, and who can pull it off, without adding his vision to it. Burton doesnt do that all the time, but still.
The dude who did Se7en would be cool.
CrimsonMist
10-04-2005, 07:35 PM
ok I found this but.......
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0792846494.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
I have heard there is another version or cover out there. Is this true? And if so, does it have other supplements this version desn't?
thats the original DVD that came out before it was pulled, back in 2001.
It didnt come with anything, but a booklet inside. Im not sure if the newer version has that or not. I have it, but it's a birthday present and i cant open it yet haha
Peyton Westlake
10-05-2005, 07:19 PM
Well you have to keep me posted on the new version Crimson.
CrimsonMist
10-22-2005, 10:37 PM
Well you have to keep me posted on the new version Crimson.
ok, here's the story:
No bonus features except for a trailer, no booklet, just new coverart, a flip disc(widescreen or fullscreen) and a decent menu.
Still, its Swamp Thing and the damn thing is finally out on DVD.
Peyton Westlake
10-23-2005, 12:29 AM
ok, here's the story:
No bonus features except for a trailer, no booklet, just new coverart, a flip disc(widescreen or fullscreen) and a decent menu.
Still, its Swamp Thing and the damn thing is finally out on DVD.
Thank you for sticking with it & doing some leg work.
Bruce_Wayne29
10-23-2005, 08:39 PM
Thanx for the vote of confidence Bruce Wayne 29
No problem. The only thing that bothers me is that because of the faillure that was Man-Thing, Warner may not want to bet on a Swamp Thing movie.
I was actually appalled that many friends of mine rented the dvd thinking they were gonna see a Swamp Thing movie.
I rented myself and it was absolutly horrible, the worst thing Marvel ever did.
I think Swamp Thing with a nice budget (not blockbuster type but around 60million maybe) and great writers, actors, director, can be a great movie even because it's such a great character that it deserves to be done right. And could be sucessful.
Bruce_Wayne29
10-23-2005, 08:42 PM
The dude who did Se7en would be cool.
David Fincher yes... I like that idea too. He's great in doing these types of movies. Alex Proyas (The Crow, Dark City, I Robot) could be a good contender too.
CrimsonMist
10-24-2005, 02:21 AM
No problem. The only thing that bothers me is that because of the faillure that was Man-Thing, Warner may not want to bet on a Swamp Thing movie.
I was actually appalled that many friends of mine rented the dvd thinking they were gonna see a Swamp Thing movie.
I rented myself and it was absolutly horrible, the worst thing Marvel ever did.
I think Swamp Thing with a nice budget (not blockbuster type but around 60million maybe) and great writers, actors, director, can be a great movie even because it's such a great character that it deserves to be done right. And could be sucessful.
really? After i saw Man-Thing, i was like "WB SHOULD MAKE A SWAMP THING MOVIE!!!" really, they should take the advantage that was given to them. Man-Thing flopped, becuase 1. It was on Sci-Fi channel. and 2. It lacked so much and made no sense.
WB should take that and use it against Marvel, by making a big budget theatrical release of Swamp Thing, making it dark, scary, epic and heroic all at once. Len Wein said he wrote a script, and id like to read it if it were available. Becuase if there's anyone who can write a damn good Swamp Thing story, it's him. Or Alan Moore, but that man is crazy so i doubt it.
Bruce_Wayne29
10-24-2005, 11:51 AM
WB should take that and use it against Marvel, by making a big budget theatrical release of Swamp Thing, making it dark, scary, epic and heroic all at once. Len Wein said he wrote a script, and id like to read it if it were available. Becuase if there's anyone who can write a damn good Swamp Thing story, it's him. Or Alan Moore, but that man is crazy so i doubt it.
Yes but let's not forget we're talking about Warner Bros. here. With the exception of Batman Begins they're not known to make great decisions regarding their properties or listening to the fans. And in reality I think they don't care as much for the other characters aside from Batman, Superman and maybe Wonder Wonder because they're their biggest franchises from DC.
It's really a shame. Swamp Thing really deserves a great movie.
Peyton Westlake
10-24-2005, 05:35 PM
Yes but let's not forget we're talking about Warner Bros. here. With the exception of Batman Begins they're not known to make great decisions regarding their properties or listening to the fans. And in reality I think they don't care as much for the other characters aside from Batman, Superman and maybe Wonder Wonder because they're their biggest franchises from DC.
It's really a shame. Swamp Thing really deserves a great movie.
I agree with you Bruce_W29. Swampthing needs to be looked at as a possible franchise for DC. Maybe they should go back to the well & ask Wes Craven if given a bigger budget would he do it again? Or maybe look towards Tim Burton, he has a gothic flair that would suit Swamp Thing well.
Bruce_Wayne29
10-25-2005, 11:55 AM
Yeah I think the right thing to do would be to go to Tim Burton with it. Who would you cast in the title role ?
Peyton Westlake
10-25-2005, 03:40 PM
Yeah I think the right thing to do would be to go to Tim Burton with it. Who would you cast in the title role ?
Well a quick few thoughts would be....
Director : Tim Burton
Arcane : Johhny Depp
Dr. Holland : someone low key, up & coming, that can act, 30ish........still thinking...
Eyeballing
10-27-2005, 02:11 PM
David Lynch. ;)
I think he could do a great job :up:
kamillon66
10-27-2005, 04:24 PM
We need Wes Craven back on a re-make. His script and directing was great on the first film.
Peyton Westlake
10-27-2005, 07:04 PM
I think he could do a great job :up:
he would be a good alternate choice too.
Peyton Westlake
10-27-2005, 07:06 PM
We need Wes Craven back on a re-make. His script and directing was great on the first film.
I agree, he should be given another shot, although re-makes never go with same director,but they really should in this case.
Eyeballing
10-27-2005, 07:32 PM
I agree, he should be given another shot, although re-makes never go with same director,but they really should in this case.
Agreed! CHEERS! HERE HERE!!!
Peyton Westlake
10-27-2005, 07:38 PM
I think Wes Craven has proven his artistic merit in Hollywood by now, and this time with a bigger budget, Swamp Thing by Craven would be over the top.
CrimsonMist
10-28-2005, 08:06 PM
I think Wes Craven has proven his artistic merit in Hollywood by now, and this time with a bigger budget, Swamp Thing by Craven would be over the top.
i dont know. Ive always felt Craven hasn't made a good movie in a long time. the last one, the werewolf movie, was really crappy and tried too hard to appeal to narrow minded teenagers and failed horribly.
Perhaps he can make an outstanding film though. David Fincher or Burton for me, aslong as Burton doesnt add his own tastes into things and screw up the origin. There's only been ONE origin for Swamp Thing, which Alan Moore just extended.
and Len Wein supposedly wrote a script sometime within the last 5 years. I want to read it.
Peyton Westlake
10-29-2005, 05:30 PM
i dont know. Ive always felt Craven hasn't made a good movie in a long time. the last one, the werewolf movie, was really crappy and tried too hard to appeal to narrow minded teenagers and failed horribly.
Perhaps he can make an outstanding film though. David Fincher or Burton for me, aslong as Burton doesnt add his own tastes into things and screw up the origin. There's only been ONE origin for Swamp Thing, which Alan Moore just extended.
and Len Wein supposedly wrote a script sometime within the last 5 years. I want to read it.
I don't think you should condemn Wes because his one film 'Cursed' bombed. What about his latest Red Eye. That got excellent reviews.
Johnny DC
10-29-2005, 09:23 PM
My girlfriend just bought me the new DVD. I'd never seen the movie, but my brother has a crap load of Marvel movies and I'm trying to compete.
I definately would appreciate a remake, maybe one showing more of his abilities. I vote for either Wes Craven or David Lynch.
CrimsonMist
10-30-2005, 01:07 AM
I don't think you should condemn Wes because his one film 'Cursed' bombed. What about his latest Red Eye. That got excellent reviews.
it's not just Cursed, alot of his latest movies suck.
im waiting for Red Eye to come out on video. It looked pretty cool, but i was iffy about paying 10 bucks to see a movie that may or may not suck. I can rent the video for about half the price of the movie ticket.
If Wes Craven decided to NOT appeal to the teenage movie goer(spelling?) and decided to sit down and write and direct an actual movie that is both scary and outstanding at the same time, id see the film in an instant.
Peyton Westlake
10-31-2005, 09:55 PM
it's not just Cursed, alot of his latest movies suck.
im waiting for Red Eye to come out on video. It looked pretty cool, but i was iffy about paying 10 bucks to see a movie that may or may not suck. I can rent the video for about half the price of the movie ticket.
If Wes Craven decided to NOT appeal to the teenage movie goer(spelling?) and decided to sit down and write and direct an actual movie that is both scary and outstanding at the same time, id see the film in an instant.
Well I do agree with you there Crimson. Gearing it towards teens is not a good step, something dark & gritty in the 'Sin City' vein would be on target.
Peyton Westlake
12-19-2005, 11:00 PM
I'd like to think, or maybe dream, Alan Moore would want to get involved in some way. If he did, that would be a good step forward.
misternorth79
12-21-2005, 03:35 PM
I wasn't really wild about the two movies (especially return of swamp thing), but I think this franchise deserves a reboot.
I really liked the TV show though...
'Do not bring your evil to my swamp!'
The Phantom
12-21-2005, 03:46 PM
I don't think a Swamp Thing movie will do that well. He's not as iconic as Batman or Superman, and he doesn't seem like he'd feature in an action-packed movie. In order for it to do well it would need a really well-known director, a well-known lead actor, and a helluva a lot of marketing.
CrimsonMist
12-21-2005, 05:01 PM
I don't think a Swamp Thing movie will do that well. He's not as iconic as Batman or Superman, and he doesn't seem like he'd feature in an action-packed movie. In order for it to do well it would need a really well-known director, a well-known lead actor, and a helluva a lot of marketing.
well, first, Constantine isn't that iconic either. And they made a rather good film about him. They changed his look and location(which takes away from him abit IMO), but other than that, they left his attitude in tact.
Swamp Thing was never really "action packed". I think the new series really sucks. It doesnt have any elegent writing to it. You open an issue and it's "**** this!" and "**** that!"...that isnt Swamp Thing.
Swamp Thing would make a better horror film than action film. There could be some very scary, memorable, heroic, maybe even iconic scenes in a film if done right.
Supposedly, Berni Wrightson wrote a screen play several years ago. Id like to read it if it exists.
The Phantom
12-21-2005, 06:00 PM
well, first, Constantine isn't that iconic either. And they made a rather good film about him. They changed his look and location(which takes away from him abit IMO), but other than that, they left his attitude in tact.
Swamp Thing was never really "action packed". I think the new series really sucks. It doesnt have any elegent writing to it. You open an issue and it's "**** this!" and "**** that!"...that isnt Swamp Thing.
Swamp Thing would make a better horror film than action film. There could be some very scary, memorable, heroic, maybe even iconic scenes in a film if done right.
Supposedly, Berni Wrightson wrote a screen play several years ago. Id like to read it if it exists.
Constantine did two of the three things I said Swamp Thing would have to do. It had a well-known actor in the lead role, and it was marketed a lot for a movie that's an adaption of a not-so iconic character.
Peyton Westlake
12-25-2005, 01:32 AM
Well, the 1st Blade did well, and really had no huge star in it or marketing.
str8raz0r
12-25-2005, 01:51 AM
I don't think that WB would look at Man-Thing's failure as a reason to NOT do Swamp Thing. The two characters are very different personality-wise (Swampy spends most of his tortured life contemplating his fuzzy navel. M-T is just a brainless galoot), and a Swamp-Thing movie could work out very well.
Plus, if they were smart, they'd hire David Cronenberg to direct. Cronenberg can balance the disgusting aspects of a monstrous character with some solid, introspective moments. Check out his earlier horror efforts, and you'll see a man who knows how to make us squirm with bio-horror, such as Seth Brundle's degradation into Brundlefly. Check out later stuff (especially the vastly underrated Spider), and you'll see that he can show characters that are tortured mentally and emotionally.
If they develop some of their more obscure properties well, DC could be a real cinematic contender again. Constantine proved that, and V for Vendetta may cement it. Neither property is particularly well-known outside of comic circles, yet they push 'em forward with some solid results.
I'm hoping for the day when that CG "DC" circle makes me as giddy as the flippy Marvel reel.
Peyton Westlake
12-25-2005, 11:40 PM
I don't think that WB would look at Man-Thing's failure as a reason to NOT do Swamp Thing. The two characters are very different personality-wise (Swampy spends most of his tortured life contemplating his fuzzy navel. M-T is just a brainless galoot), and a Swamp-Thing movie could work out very well.
Plus, if they were smart, they'd hire David Cronenberg to direct. Cronenberg can balance the disgusting aspects of a monstrous character with some solid, introspective moments. Check out his earlier horror efforts, and you'll see a man who knows how to make us squirm with bio-horror, such as Seth Brundle's degradation into Brundlefly. Check out later stuff (especially the vastly underrated Spider), and you'll see that he can show characters that are tortured mentally and emotionally.
If they develop some of their more obscure properties well, DC could be a real cinematic contender again. Constantine proved that, and V for Vendetta may cement it. Neither property is particularly well-known outside of comic circles, yet they push 'em forward with some solid results.
I'm hoping for the day when that CG "DC" circle makes me as giddy as the flippy Marvel reel.
I agree with your selection of Cronenberg to direct. He is a good choice, possibly Burton as a 2nd choice.
captain_jimbo
03-14-2006, 10:32 AM
Tim Burton can do anything as a movie and make it great.
Peyton Westlake
03-14-2006, 07:22 PM
Burton is an interesting choice for Swamp Thing. I don't know if Swampy is strange enough to attract Burton's interest.
str8raz0r
03-15-2006, 12:12 AM
Tim Burton can do anything as a movie and make it great.
Ermmm...Planet of the Apes remake? That stunk.
Hey, I love Tim Burton. The man's got a flair, but PotA was a heap.
But back to before...Cronenberg, all the way.
DirtyHARRY
03-15-2006, 09:32 AM
Burton's PotA blew. Great make-ups by Rick Baker and other visuals, but everything else was just a travesty. Feh. Burton gets a few things right and they are good, but he can crank out some poo just a bad as the next hack.
Cronenberg is an interesting choice. Sure would be enough to make me toss down the bucks to see what he'd do with the character. I know it'd be a trip. That much is a no-brainer.
I think the original ST movie by Wes Craven was really good. At least the elements with Holland and Swamp Thing. The parts with the commandos needed a re-write. I think if they'd just had the ST suit from the sequel, and more (and better-looking) monsters to fight, it would have been a classic. Sure the writing is a little stilted and hammy at times, but it did capture the spirit of the original and didn't bastardize it and go in the wrong direction. If Craven tweaked his original script and had a decent budget, it would be a great-if pointless-remake. But you know how non-fan studio execs love to "re-imagine" the character 'for today's sophisticated young audiences.' Ugh.
Anyone except Joel Schockmaker! I don't need to see Swamp Thing's nipples.
Speaking of nipples... BE WARNED!!! The recent DVD re-release of Swamp Thing has almost ALL of Adrienne Barbeau's nude scenes chopped!!!!! Aggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!! That's one of the main reasons I bought the dang thing! Yes, it was a cool movie that I remember fondly from my mid-teens that treated a superhero decently, but... dammit... I wanted to re-visit those stunning, wobbly, soft, big hooters on Ms. Barbeau again!!! As a 16 year old kid, I had no idea that scene was going to be in it when I first saw it. It/they took my breath away, and surely put a big smile on the face of every male at the drive-in.
Shame on WB/MGM/Sony for chopping that scene out! Why? It wasn't anything even remotely approaching pornographic. And it wasn't like we got to see the full monty; it was just her big ol' boobs. I can't understand why they would step in and arbitrarily trim a scene like that. To make it more kid-friendly? It had a PG rating. Would in-yer-face hoots for 20-some seconds mandate a rating change to PG-13 on a film that's almost 25 years old??? Give me a break! While I'm venting - they also should have used the artwork from the original release poster that graced the backs of all the comics around that time. It was creepy and cool. The new cover art is dorky at best. Sheesh.
Okay, end of rant.
I'd like to see Swamp Thing done to its fullest potential. Keep Swampy just a suit and contain the CGI to some of the powers he has. I haven't seen any of the 'new' ST stuff. My knowledge is just contained to the original Wein/Wrightson version and the Alan Moore/80's take. There is definitly a big load of horror to mine from this property - if it's handled properly. It has the potential to be a quiet hit and perhaps a franchise, but only in the right hands.
Anyhow, my $.02
CrimsonMist
03-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Cronenberg is an interesting choice. Sure would be enough to make me toss down the bucks to see what he'd do with the character. I know it'd be a trip. That much is a no-brainer.
I think the original ST movie by Wes Craven was really good. At least the elements with Holland and Swamp Thing. The parts with the commandos needed a re-write. I think if they'd just had the ST suit from the sequel, and more (and better-looking) monsters to fight, it would have been a classic. Sure the writing is a little stilted and hammy at times, but it did capture the spirit of the original and didn't bastardize it and go in the wrong direction. If Craven tweaked his original script and had a decent budget, it would be a great-if pointless-remake. But you know how non-fan studio execs love to "re-imagine" the character 'for today's sophisticated young audiences.' Ugh.
Anyone except Joel Schockmaker! I don't need to see Swamp Thing's nipples.
Speaking of nipples... BE WARNED!!! The recent DVD re-release of Swamp Thing has almost ALL of Adrienne Barbeau's nude scenes chopped!!!!! Aggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!! That's one of the main reasons I bought the dang thing! Yes, it was a cool movie that I remember fondly from my mid-teens that treated a superhero decently, but... dammit... I wanted to re-visit those stunning, wobbly, soft, big hooters on Ms. Barbeau again!!! As a 16 year old kid, I had no idea that scene was going to be in it when I first saw it. It/they took my breath away, and surely put a big smile on the face of every male at the drive-in.
Shame on WB/MGM/Sony for chopping that scene out! Why? It wasn't anything even remotely approaching pornographic. And it wasn't like we got to see the full monty; it was just her big ol' boobs. I can't understand why they would step in and arbitrarily trim a scene like that. To make it more kid-friendly? It had a PG rating. Would in-yer-face hoots for 20-some seconds mandate a rating change to PG-13 on a film that's almost 25 years old??? Give me a break! While I'm venting - they also should have used the artwork from the original release poster that graced the backs of all the comics around that time. It was creepy and cool. The new cover art is dorky at best. Sheesh.
Okay, end of rant.
I'd like to see Swamp Thing done to its fullest potential. Keep Swampy just a suit and contain the CGI to some of the powers he has. I haven't seen any of the 'new' ST stuff. My knowledge is just contained to the original Wein/Wrightson version and the Alan Moore/80's take. There is definitly a big load of horror to mine from this property - if it's handled properly. It has the potential to be a quiet hit and perhaps a franchise, but only in the right hands.
Anyhow, my $.02
Cronenberg would be interesting with Swamp Thing. I just dont want some crazy Monster fest though. I want a dark, scary film. I wouldnt mind seeing a trilogy, maybe 3 hours each, based on the American Gothic storyline by Alan Moore. They'd have to drastically change all the background about Constantine, but it could be good.
The first film deals with his origins, him trying to be human again, only finding out he's all plant and have Swampy take on The Floronic Man. These events attract the attention of John Constantine, who realizes something wrong with the balance of good and evil and needs the help of the Swamp Thing, which leads into the next 2 movies.
i had a really cool dream about a Swamp Thing movie. Swamp Thing just happened to be in it. It's kind of a blend between the early Wein/Wrightson story in Swamp Thing#8, with that weird blob of evil in the cave. In this strange town in a desert, A bunch of kids find it, and it takes over one of them, and all this crazy **** happens. They're some corrupt Government agents in there trying to kill the kids and get the blob thing and they become possesse, and 3 witches are there too. They're good witches though. Swamp Thing has to save the world from this evil thing and dies in the process. But the witches find swamp thing's remains and make it into a snake arrow(like in Conan The Barbarian) and shoot it into the sky. Then the ground starts to rumble and all these trees start growing out of the dry sandy ground and everything is happy and Swamp Thing comes back and it's all like "YAY!" i dont know, it was a dream. How it all fits together is beyond me, but the whole arrow thing looked really cool in my dream. It was weird.
the current DVD is the theatrical cut. The original DVD release had all the boob shots in it. But when that came out, supposedly(i read this in some review of the original DVD), a mother rented it for her kid at blockbuster, seeing how it looked interesting, and the rating was PG. She brings it home, and gets digusted over the rating(PG) and gets pissed at BlockBuster. She sues Blockbuster, wins and Blockbusters all across the US have to remove the DVD. and eventually, MGM stopped making the DVD.
this new DVD is the cut version. Whether or not that story is true, i dont know. Probably an urban legend of some sort.
the Alan Moore stuff is in my opinion the best comic book run EVER. It's just such a great story. 6 volumes long, it feels like it's the only run of the book ever. And when it ends, it feels like it was the very end of the comic line. It was perfect. It was scary, sad, romantic...it had everything. the Wein/Wrightson stuff was really good too.
i dont like the new Swamp Thing. it misses the eloquence that Wein and Moore had. It's all "**** you damnit! I'll kill you, *****!". It isnt very good. The story concepts are pretty cool, but the dialog is absolutely horrible and generic.
Peyton Westlake
03-15-2006, 05:37 PM
Well, I know when doing re-makes or re-launching a character ,aka Batman Begins , the original team is not brought back but....maybe Wes Craven would like another shot given a bigger budget.
CrimsonMist
03-15-2006, 06:09 PM
Well, I know when doing re-makes or re-launching a character ,aka Batman Begins , the original team is not brought back but....maybe Wes Craven would like another shot given a bigger budget.
i dont know about Craven. Like i already said somewhere in this thread, Craven's recent movies have sucked. They all seem to be directed at the teen audience, as opposed to everyone(except small children).
And Len Wein DID write a screen play for a new ST movie in 2004 i think. I dont know what's come of it though.
Peyton Westlake
03-15-2006, 08:45 PM
i dont know about Craven. Like i already said somewhere in this thread, Craven's recent movies have sucked. They all seem to be directed at the teen audience, as opposed to everyone(except small children).
And Len Wein DID write a screen play for a new ST movie in 2004 i think. I dont know what's come of it though.
Let's have a little fun here. Well, lets put it this way CrimsonMist , you are the executive producer of the new Swamp Thing feature film. Who do you hire as writer & director and have no 2nd guessing on your part they were the top choice for the job?
Peyton Westlake
07-26-2006, 08:27 PM
Still waiting for an answer to my last post above.
Superman
07-29-2006, 08:31 AM
I think if the first movie had had the Swamp Thing costume of the 2nd movie it would have done alot better. Alot of people couldn't get past the rubber look the 1st costume had to see that it was a pretty good movie.
I loved the first movie and the TV show was OK but Return of Swamp Thing was just domb. He looked more like Swamp Thing but the story sucked.
Peyton Westlake
07-29-2006, 02:38 PM
I still think, DC should scrap the WW idea, possibly Flash too, and go with a horror/supernatural story to a big budget Swampy re-make.
Peyton Westlake
07-31-2006, 08:33 PM
Most recent news I found, from this year at least.
Fan Feed (http://www.comics2film.com/FFInfo.php) - Feb 14, 2006 - 616 reads:
'Swamp Thing' movie gets a new writer? (http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=17416) (EXTERNAL ARTICLE)
Synopsis: One of the writers of the Constantine screenplay has mentioned that he is working on a film version of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing stories, under the working title of "The Green."
Peyton Westlake
10-29-2006, 11:44 AM
Ok, we have re-made Superman & Batman. I think its time to re-launch Swamp Thing with the same intent of quality for success.
The Shredder
11-01-2006, 12:28 AM
Can't say I'm much on the idea of Wes Craven returning to direct a revamp of Swamp Thing. I don't have anything against Craven, but I feel that a remake/revamp of Swamp Thing needs a totally fresh approach, and although Wes didnt really have a large budget to play with, which no doubt prohibited any grand ideas he might have had, I would still prefer a completely fresh take on the character.
Admitedly, the mention of Cronenberg has caught my interest as far as potential directors for Swamp Thing goes.
Peyton Westlake
11-01-2006, 06:44 PM
I know, Cronenberg does seem an interesting choice.
Sandman138
11-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Plus, if they were smart, they'd hire David Cronenberg to direct. Cronenberg can balance the disgusting aspects of a monstrous character with some solid, introspective moments. Check out his earlier horror efforts, and you'll see a man who knows how to make us squirm with bio-horror, such as Seth Brundle's degradation into Brundlefly. Check out later stuff (especially the vastly underrated Spider), and you'll see that he can show characters that are tortured mentally and emotionally.
Thank you! I can't believe it took this long for his name to come up. Cronenberg is the only man who could make this movie the way it has to be made: at once horrific, and philisophical. I really want a Swamp Thing in the style of Alan Moore: the plant that thinks it's human. It could be brilliant.
Peyton Westlake
11-02-2006, 05:30 PM
We have another vote for Cronenberg.
batbat_29640
11-07-2006, 01:41 AM
And another. I so want to see a new Swamp Thing movie. Thank you guys for this thread!
Peyton Westlake
11-07-2006, 06:03 PM
Here's to hoping that powers that be visit here & read this.
Golgo-13
11-12-2006, 09:04 PM
Swamp Thing would rock if done with todays effects!
WallCrawl
11-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Thank you! I can't believe it took this long for his name to come up. Cronenberg is the only man who could make this movie the way it has to be made: at once horrific, and philisophical. I really want a Swamp Thing in the style of Alan Moore: the plant that thinks it's human. It could be brilliant.
Cronenberg would be awesome. You know who'd be interesting? Alfonso Cuarón. I bet he could really imbue Swamp Thing with some really emotional pathos.
The Shredder
11-13-2006, 03:31 AM
Here's to hoping that powers that be visit here & read this.
Amen to that.
I really do like the idea of Cronenberg directing a revamped Swamp Thing film. I'm not sure if WB would consider whatever Cronenberg's vision (whatever that may be if he would even be interested in helming the project) to be something that could be translated as something commercially successful, but I believe he is definately a director that can both make a truly unique Swamp Thing movie, and one that truly memorable as well. :up:
Peyton Westlake
11-16-2006, 12:00 PM
I think Swamp Thing, more then Flash or WW, has more chance of grabbing an audience.
batbat_29640
11-16-2006, 04:28 PM
I think Swamp Thing, more then Flash or WW, has more chance of grabbing an audience. I don't know . . . I love Swampy but I love Flash too . . . I like WW but not so much. I do, however, haveb great admiration for Whedon's stroy telling and character development. That is due to Astonishing X-Men and Firefly. Firefy was a great show . . . one of my favorites.
Peyton Westlake
11-18-2006, 01:54 PM
Well if you think about it, Swamp Thing has many elements it can draw from to create a good audience. It its written well, it can build on a strong horror type plot for horror buffs, have some special effects for the masses, and its own fans from the comics.
tecnowraith
11-30-2006, 09:42 PM
Well people, there is one thing you have to realize that this is WB and Hollywood and you to think there logic. They would probably get some fresh or recent director that has horror on his plate, not someone 10 to 20 years ago. Now here is thought no one has thought, Francis Lawrence who did Constantine.
Movies205
11-30-2006, 10:00 PM
Depends if you want go back to the original Len Wein and Berni Wrightson version of Swamp Thing which is a man transformed into a plant and becomes misunderstood hero fighting various bizarre monsters, then I'll pass, but if you want make an adaption based on Alan Moore take of the character, that'd be awesome :up:
Taiwarriorz21
12-03-2006, 02:16 AM
I would love it if they would do a Swamp Thing movie! It would great!!!
Sandman138
12-03-2006, 10:36 AM
Well people, there is one thing you have to realize that this is WB and Hollywood and you to think there logic. They would probably get some fresh or recent director that has horror on his plate, not someone 10 to 20 years ago. Now here is thought no one has thought, Francis Lawrence who did Constantine.
The reason nobody's thought of him is because Constantine was terrible and we don't want to screw up another of Moore's works.
batbat_29640
12-03-2006, 11:47 AM
Well if you think about it, Swamp Thing has many elements it can draw from to create a good audience. It its written well, it can build on a strong horror type plot for horror buffs, have some special effects for the masses, and its own fans from the comics. Agreed! I've always found Swamp Thing very intriguing. He's got a great story.
cryptic name
12-03-2006, 03:50 PM
Depends if you want go back to the original Len Wein and Berni Wrightson version of Swamp Thing which is a man transformed into a plant and becomes misunderstood hero fighting various bizarre monsters, then I'll pass, but if you want make an adaption based on Alan Moore take of the character, that'd be awesome :up:
agreed. moore's work has almost infinite possibilities.
Peyton Westlake
12-07-2006, 11:05 PM
Agreed! I've always found Swamp Thing very intriguing. He's got a great story.
Thanx for the vote of confidence.
batmaluco
12-08-2006, 01:55 PM
I would love to see a big budget movie featuring The Swamp Thing.
David Cronenberg has another vote!
Peyton Westlake
12-09-2006, 08:14 PM
D.C. and Warner Bros. are you reading any of this???
Magneto
12-10-2006, 10:10 PM
David Cronenberg has another vote!
And another. :up:
Peyton Westlake
12-11-2006, 09:35 AM
Another director I thought of, who did a cult fave movie of mine is Stuart Gordon. He directed the Re-Animator. He would be another choice of mine.
Movies205
12-11-2006, 09:42 AM
Croenburg is great, but it might be a bit too inspired since The Fly tackles very similar themes, but then again, it'd be ****ing awesome so I say bring it on...
jrpstarwars
12-11-2006, 01:45 PM
I don't know about a Swamp Thing movie but I think a Toxic Avenger movie would rock.
Peyton Westlake
12-12-2006, 05:15 PM
I don't know about a Swamp Thing movie but I think a Toxic Avenger movie would rock.
Well, I think Toxic Avenger is not even B-List , its more C-List on a Hollywood scale.
jrpstarwars
12-13-2006, 12:42 PM
Well, I think Toxic Avenger is not even B-List , its more C-List on a Hollywood scale.
Could be remade into a box office smash. Possibly have Christopher Walken do the role.
Peyton Westlake
12-14-2006, 05:24 PM
Could be remade into a box office smash. Possibly have Christopher Walken do the role.
Well anything with Mr. Walken is worth seeing I'll agree.
Peyton Westlake
12-19-2006, 05:20 PM
With the release of his two best known films, Re-Animator (1985) and From Beyond (1986), both of which are blood-soaked low-budget extravaganzas based on the work of horror writer H.P. Lovecraft, filmmaker Stuart Gordon gained a cult following as one of his generation's most creative horror directors. Though aficionados can appreciate his facility and willingness to use plenty of gut-wrenchingly gory special effects, it is the perverse humorous twists that he adds to his tales that have made him a favorite among connoisseurs.
The more I think about him, the more I like him as a choice for a Swampy re-make.
Peyton Westlake
12-19-2006, 05:21 PM
Also, I'd luv to see Christopher Walken playing Arcane. That would be priceless.
Peyton Westlake
01-05-2007, 10:33 PM
Would anybody be interested in a Swamp Thing re-write? Preferably someone who is a great fan with knowledge of his origin.
Peyton Westlake
01-23-2007, 09:45 PM
Would anybody be interested in a Swamp Thing re-write? Preferably someone who is a great fan with knowledge of his origin.
I'm hoping there is still someone out there.
Peyton Westlake
02-17-2007, 04:47 PM
I'm hoping someone catches SWAMP FEVER soon and is interested in a rough draft.
DocLathropBrown
05-26-2007, 05:02 PM
Well a quick few thoughts would be....
Director : Tim Burton
Arcane : Johhny Depp
Dr. Holland : someone low key, up & coming, that can act, 30ish........still thinking...
Michael Keaton for Swamp Thing! :-P
batbat_29640
05-26-2007, 11:32 PM
I would rather not see silliness in a Swamp Thing movie. I would rather see serious Sci-Fi. What about Guillermo Del'Toro? And a screen write colaboration between him and Goyer?
Peyton Westlake
05-27-2007, 11:22 AM
I would rather not see silliness in a Swamp Thing movie. I would rather see serious Sci-Fi. What about Guillermo Del'Toro? And a screen write colaboration between him and Goyer?
Right now, I would sign up to see that.
deathshead2
05-27-2007, 12:04 PM
Del'Toro would be great with any movie. Man they need a good swamp thing movie.
Peyton Westlake
05-28-2007, 05:49 AM
Del'Toro would be great with any movie. Man they need a good swamp thing movie.
With only Batman & Superman in their current stable...I would think DC would jump at the chance to get Swamp Thing rolling.
I would watch a del Toro ST movie.
CAH
batbat_29640
05-28-2007, 06:00 PM
You know who would have been an awesome Arcane ? Anthony Perkins - Mr. Norman Bates himself.
Peyton Westlake
05-30-2007, 05:38 PM
You know who would have been an awesome Arcane ? Anthony Perkins - Mr. Norman Bates himself.
He would of back in his day......who would you cast now?
batbat_29640
05-30-2007, 07:22 PM
He would of back in his day......who would you cast now?
Hmmm . . . . Good question. Christopher Lloyd? Matt Frewer < Max Headroom, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Dawn of the Dead.
Peyton Westlake
06-05-2007, 11:03 PM
Hmmm . . . . Good question. Christopher Lloyd? Matt Frewer < Max Headroom, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Dawn of the Dead.
Those are choices, in my opinion, if you want to make a comedy farce of Swamp Thing. I guess my choice for Arcane would be the actor who played the 'young Hannibal' in the latest Hannibal Lecter film.
The Joker
06-05-2007, 11:56 PM
I'd like to see a new Swamp Thing, but I would actually spin it off of a Constantine sequel...have JC investigating him much like he was in the comics where he frist appeared, then do a spin off origin movie for Swampy afterwards...
Peyton Westlake
06-08-2007, 05:18 PM
I'd like to see a new Swamp Thing, but I would actually spin it off of a Constantine sequel...have JC investigating him much like he was in the comics where he frist appeared, then do a spin off origin movie for Swampy afterwards...
Is an interesting angle...never thought of that one.
batbat_29640
06-09-2007, 01:36 AM
Those are choices, in my opinion, if you want to make a comedy farce of Swamp Thing. I guess my choice for Arcane would be the actor who played the 'young Hannibal' in the latest Hannibal Lecter film.
They don't have to play a comedic take on the character. My choice of those two was based off of Bernie Wrightson's design for Anton. Lloyd just looks the part. But my choice for Frewer was mainly because of his role in Dawn of the Dead. He's got the look and he played a serious role in that movie. I'd go with an older actor becuase of Arcane's quest for longer life and that along with Bernie's art just says old mad scientist to me, ya know? But now that you mention 'Hannibal' what about Anthony Hopkins? I know he'd never do it but ya gotta admitt it does have a measure of appeal.
The Shredder
06-09-2007, 01:39 AM
Also, I'd luv to see Christopher Walken playing Arcane. That would be priceless.
I would be down with that.
Most definately. :up:
batbat_29640
06-09-2007, 02:40 AM
Also, I'd luv to see Christopher Walken playing Arcane. That would be priceless.
And you would rather not see a comedic campy Swamp Thing movie?
The Shredder
06-09-2007, 04:12 PM
So anything starring Chris Walken is considered comedic/campy these days?
batbat_29640
06-09-2007, 08:14 PM
So anything starring Chris Walken is considered comedic/campy these days?
Have you seen the last few roles he's been in? Do I even have to mention Batman Returns?
The Shredder
06-09-2007, 11:20 PM
Have you seen the last few roles he's been in? Do I even have to mention Batman Returns?
He's had other roles in which were more extreme, and he excelled in them as well.
Peyton Westlake
06-12-2007, 08:45 PM
I would be down with that.
Most definately. :up:
Glad you agree.
Peyton Westlake
06-12-2007, 08:46 PM
And you would rather not see a comedic campy Swamp Thing movie?
You must be in the minority on thinking Walken can't act.
batbat_29640
06-12-2007, 10:59 PM
You must be in the minority on thinking Walken can't act.
The Dear Hunter, The Dead Zone , Brainstorm, King of New York, True Romance . . . Great actor, great roles!!!! But name a really serious role he's done lately. Most of his roles as of late have been silly and campy and he was only there to be Christopher Walken.
Never said he couldn't act. Really don't apreciate the misquote there!
deathshead2
06-12-2007, 11:00 PM
I loved Walken in the Rundown.
Peyton Westlake
06-18-2007, 06:05 PM
The Dear Hunter, The Dead Zone , Brainstorm, King of New York, True Romance . . . Great actor, great roles!!!! But name a really serious role he's done lately. Most of his roles as of late have been silly and campy and he was only there to be Christopher Walken.
Never said he couldn't act. Really don't apreciate the misquote there!
Ok, I apologize in misquoting you. I thought you hinted at it. But I see your point, yes some of his roles are campy.....but I'm assuming that's how he was told to act. Because we know his dramatic chops are worthy.
batbat_29640
06-18-2007, 11:41 PM
Ok, I apologize in misquoting you. I thought you hinted at it. But I see your point, yes some of his roles are campy.....but I'm assuming that's how he was told to act. Because we know his dramatic chops are worthy.
Thanks for the apology. And I agree his dramatic chops are worthy, but I just don't want to be so quick to cast someone that gives off the campy. I know I know same could be said about my choices. I guess I'm just a little jaded about his Batman Returns role when he should have played Carmine Falcone . . . I mean how perfect would that have been? It would not have bothered me in the slightest if they brought Walken back to play Falcone. Wilkenson wouldn't have to either because he would have been the perfect Loeb. Just me I guess. But I'm 100% with you on the idea of a serious sci-fi Swamp Thing movie. I love the character and he should get better recognition than hollywood is giving him. I do remember reading a Michael Uslan interview where he stated that wanted to reinvigorate the Swamp Thing franchise.
Sandman138
06-19-2007, 10:56 AM
I would rather not see silliness in a Swamp Thing movie. I would rather see serious Sci-Fi. What about Guillermo Del'Toro? And a screen write colaboration between him and Goyer?
I thought we wanted a good movie.
The Shredder
06-20-2007, 12:45 AM
I thought we wanted a good movie.
If he was directing, I would agree with your statement. But Goyer as a writer which is what batbat posted, I'm much more comfortable with that.
batbat_29640
06-20-2007, 02:28 AM
If he was directing, I would agree with your statement. But Goyer as a writer which is what batbat posted, I'm much more comfortable with that.
Thanks for having my back there Shredder. I knew those meddling Turtles were wrong about you.
Peyton Westlake
06-20-2007, 05:19 PM
Id be ok with Goyer as a writer, not sold on his direction yet. And I'd have to pass on Del Toro. He's too involved with other things.
The Shredder
06-21-2007, 01:09 AM
Thanks for having my back there Shredder. I knew those meddling Turtles were wrong about you.
Anytime man. :cool:
Peyton Westlake
06-22-2007, 11:08 PM
A writer for a SwampThing movie just popped in my head. What about Babylon 5 creator, J. Michael Straczynski ?
batbat_29640
06-22-2007, 11:18 PM
A writer for a SwampThing movie just popped in my head. What about Babylon 5 creator, J. Michael Straczynski ?
Yeah man!!!!! I love his work!!!! Good call :up: I'm a huge Bab 5 fan and I loved Rising Stars.
Peyton Westlake
06-24-2007, 12:19 PM
Yeah man!!!!! I love his work!!!! Good call :up: I'm a huge Bab 5 fan and I loved Rising Stars.
Glad you agree, he has a good sci-fi background, and may have a
fresh take on Swampy.
batbat_29640
06-24-2007, 12:22 PM
Glad you agree, he has a good sci-fi background, and may have a
fresh take on Swampy.
Now . . . Who to play Alec Holland? I have a few suggestions but I'll hold them for now.
Peyton Westlake
06-24-2007, 12:26 PM
Now . . . Who to play Alec Holland? I have a few suggestions but I'll hold them for now.
I would have said Ed Norton before he got his part in the Hulk. Has that nerdy scientist quality and can act.
batbat_29640
06-24-2007, 12:52 PM
I would have said Ed Norton before he got his part in the Hulk. Has that nerdy scientist quality and can act.
That would be good. What about David Wenham ( LOTR, 300)
Peyton Westlake
06-28-2007, 10:14 AM
Don't know much about him, is he someone you would feel safe with being the lead?
Changeling
07-21-2007, 06:57 AM
David Lynch
Peyton Westlake
08-08-2007, 09:33 PM
David Lynch
David Lynch was a name that was mentioned before & I don't have a problem with him at all. I just don't know if Swampy would interest him.
Sandman138
08-11-2007, 12:31 PM
If he was directing, I would agree with your statement. But Goyer as a writer which is what batbat posted, I'm much more comfortable with that.
But he's a terrible writer.
Peyton Westlake
08-14-2007, 10:36 PM
Goyer has been too exposed to comic movies now. It's kinda like he's re-writing his own universe of all our superheroes. My vote is for Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski.
Peyton Westlake
08-19-2007, 09:12 PM
And a dream choice would be Moore himself.
Peyton Westlake
09-23-2007, 12:20 AM
Is there anyone out there who would let me pick their brain on their knowledge of Swampy?
Jake Cassidy
09-23-2007, 12:25 AM
Alex Proyas would be good for this.
Peyton Westlake
09-23-2007, 12:27 AM
A few have mentioned his name
Peyton Westlake
05-19-2008, 07:43 PM
Any Swampy affcionados?
Peyton Westlake
09-25-2008, 11:12 PM
Since DC has come forward and announced they would like a dark style film, I think the best character to start with would be Swamp Thing. It has the horror element built right in. This is a character they should tinker with using the 'dark formula.
CrimsonMist
09-25-2008, 11:39 PM
Since DC has come forward and announced they would like a dark style film, I think the best character to start with would be Swamp Thing. It has the horror element built right in. This is a character they should tinker with using the 'dark formula.
Agreed. It could work very well, especially if they borrow heavily from the themes present in Alan Moore's run. And it's a good way to re-introduce Constantine, if WB is still keen on using the character again. I would love a new Swamp Thing movie.
cerealkiller182
09-26-2008, 12:09 PM
Yes, I think Swamp Thing could be great but at the same time it should keep to a tight budget. It certainly has name recognition, Swamp Thing is more popular than I would have guessed if I were developing it back in the day. I think Alan Moores stuff is the best approach.
Cronenberg MUST direct. I think Vinnie Jones could probably be the Thing.
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2008, 03:17 AM
Agreed. It could work very well, especially if they borrow heavily from the themes present in Alan Moore's run. And it's a good way to re-introduce Constantine, if WB is still keen on using the character again. I would love a new Swamp Thing movie.
Good idea for Constantine.
Peyton Westlake
09-27-2008, 03:18 AM
Yes, I think Swamp Thing could be great but at the same time it should keep to a tight budget. It certainly has name recognition, Swamp Thing is more popular than I would have guessed if I were developing it back in the day. I think Alan Moores stuff is the best approach.
Cronenberg MUST direct. I think Vinnie Jones could probably be the Thing.
Glad you agree. Experimenting with this 'dark' tone should start with Swamp Thing.
Peyton Westlake
03-07-2009, 06:02 PM
We need to keep the suits at DC reminded of Swamp who can be a sleeper hit if done right.
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