The \8/ and the \S/

[Kaboom]

unfortunatley no, just that.

[RakuMon]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9268/smallvillejz3.jpghttp://img328.imageshack.us/img328/6465/mediumsupermanlogocorhx9.jpg

Ya know, these two aren't all that similar at all. Smallville's S shield is clearly its own distinct version.

[superboy13]

Yeah, but what I meant all along is, SV's \S/ is loosely based on the SR's one... giving it the same feel. In my opinion, they're similar. Identical? No way, but they look alike.

[Kaboom]

the reason they look alike is because they have to! theres only so many ways an S can look. would you prefer this:

\Q/

[The Caped Knight]

Ok Can Someone color this to look excatly like the Superman emblem [with the red s and diamond shield & The Yellow inside .]
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6053/zod632mc0.jpg

[superboy13]

"See anything familiar?" :D
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4890/smallvilles3wn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Kaboom]

"See anything familiar?" :D
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4890/smallvilles3wn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nope

[RakuMon]

Yeah, but what I meant all along is, SV's \S/ is loosely based on the SR's one... giving it the same feel. In my opinion, they're similar. Identical? No way, but they look alike.

I'm not even sure it's "based" on the Returns logo. The only trait they share is that both omit the "bubble" on the tail of the S. Jim Lee's Superman Shield pre-dates Superman Returns by a couple of years. He too omits the bubble.
http://www.woofofsteel.com/woof_blog/archives/Jim_Lee_Superman.JPG

What sets Smallville's shield apart is that the 'S' seems to be at an angle inside the diamond. I don't recall another design quite like that one.

[The Caped Knight]

"See anything familiar?" :D
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4890/smallvilles3wn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's got more of the classic as well as Reeve look to it than The Returns in that pic . :super:

Compeared to this pic.
http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/thumb/2/20/Zodepisode1.jpg/800px-Zodepisode1.jpg
Which look more like the Returns Symbol

[Kaboom]

i think any consistency between returns and SV's \s/ is due to the fact that they are boht interpretations of the \s/ itself. to say that SV is using SR's shield is just grasping for starws.

[Ultimate_Superman]

i think any consistency between returns and SV's \s/ is due to the fact that they are boht interpretations of the \s/ itself. to say that SV is using SR's shield is just grasping for starws.like when people say every Superman drawn with high cheek bones lok like Welling. :whatever:

What I am saying is it is based off of it now is it the exact same??? No but it looks close. Hell my wife even asked why they were using the Returns symbol as well as friends so I am just saying it looks like it I am not saying they copied it.

[M.O.Steel]

i know people here aren't really fond of the movie, but there's no denying the similarities. Instead of people thinking those guys are grasping straws, it seems more like you guys are in denial. ALSO, I've seen recent comics that are drawing their S's that way. There's nothing wrong with it.

[Kaboom]

i know people here aren't really fond of the movie, but there's no denying the similarities. Instead of people thinking those guys are grasping straws, it seems more like you guys are in denial. ALSO, I've seen recent comics that are drawing their S's that way. There's nothing wrong with it.

denial is the cradle of civiliaztion.

[War Lord]

i know people here aren't really fond of the movie, but there's no denying the similarities. Instead of people thinking those guys are grasping straws, it seems more like you guys are in denial. ALSO, I've seen recent comics that are drawing their S's that way. There's nothing wrong with it.

It's a great looking 'S'.

[AgentPat]

i know people here aren't really fond of the movie, but there's no denying the similarities. Instead of people thinking those guys are grasping straws, it seems more like you guys are in denial. ALSO, I've seen recent comics that are drawing their S's that way. There's nothing wrong with it.All of the Superman shield logos look the "same" in concept, but have enough minor differences to distinguish one from another. The SV shield is just as similar to the Reeve and Cain logos as it is to the SR logo, but they all have enough minor unique characteristics that make each special to themselves. For example, the SV logo has flat sides while the SR logo is rounded. Big deal. They're both still s's and are clearly recognized AS the "Superman shield."

Now, please... I beg people, Move. ON! Take the minutia comparisons to SUPERWORLD where it belongs. PLEASE!!! There's multiple threads already started and active on the subject of Supes' shield logos. Here's two on the FIRST page alone:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248406
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244299

GO! Have at it. :(

[Kaboom]

^^^^^ :up:

[RakuMon]

All of the Superman shield logos look the "same" in concept, but have enough minor differences to distinguish one from another. The SV shield is just as similar to the Reeve and Cain logos as it is to the SR logo, but they all have enough minor unique characteristics that make each special to themselves. For example, the SV logo has flat sides while the SR logo is rounded. Big deal. They're both still s's and are clearly recognized AS the "Superman shield."

Now, please... I beg people, Move. ON! Take the minutia comparisons to SUPERWORLD where it belongs. PLEASE!!! There's multiple threads already started and active on the subject of Supes' shield logos. Here's two on the FIRST page alone:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248406
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244299

GO! Have at it. :(


Hey Pat, are you going to change your avvie now that the actual SV Shield has been revealed?

[Ultimate_Superman]

All of the Superman shield logos look the "same" in concept, but have enough minor differences to distinguish one from another. The SV shield is just as similar to the Reeve and Cain logos as it is to the SR logo, but they all have enough minor unique characteristics that make each special to themselves. For example, the SV logo has flat sides while the SR logo is rounded. Big deal. They're both still s's and are clearly recognized AS the "Superman shield."

Now, please... I beg people, Move. ON! Take the minutia comparisons to SUPERWORLD where it belongs. PLEASE!!! There's multiple threads already started and active on the subject of Supes' shield logos. Here's two on the FIRST page alone:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248406
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244299

GO! Have at it. :(But isn't that what this thread is for to talk about and compare the \8/ and \S/ to other \s/ in Superman history and thats what we're doing now. Now correct me if I am wrong if that is not the purpose of this thread then no other Superman \S/ should appear in here am I right? No one here is getting out of line and everyone is being civil to one another. I mean if this is the case then shouldn't the Welling/SV in the comics thread be moved to Super-World as well as this one? I am just saying Pat you can't deny how close the two look to one another.

[M.O.Steel]

All of the Superman shield logos look the "same" in concept, but have enough minor differences to distinguish one from another. The SV shield is just as similar to the Reeve and Cain logos as it is to the SR logo, but they all have enough minor unique characteristics that make each special to themselves. For example, the SV logo has flat sides while the SR logo is rounded. Big deal. They're both still s's and are clearly recognized AS the "Superman shield."

Now, please... I beg people, Move. ON! Take the minutia comparisons to SUPERWORLD where it belongs. PLEASE!!! There's multiple threads already started and active on the subject of Supes' shield logos. Here's two on the FIRST page alone:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248406
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244299

GO! Have at it. :(

I don't understand why you're upset. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. We're all on the same team. I was just trying to give my two cents (i am still have teh right to do that right?) No need to get defensive.

This is to everyone overall, I don't see why you can't like both, or neither, and still be a superman fan, it DOESN't have to be a dichotomy...its not like in order to be a devout smallville, you must hate the movie...because that's retarded...each one is their own interpretation of the mythos, because by that same argument, all smallville fans hate the superman comic books and L&C...and neither are 100% close to the original comics, in fact, even within the comic universe they aren't all the same. I like them both a lot, but i don't think either one perfect, by no means. The movie made a lot of mistakes, just like the show.

:supes: :super:

[Kaboom]

I don't understand why you're upset. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. We're all on the same team. I was just trying to give my two cents (i am still have teh right to do that right?) No need to get defensive.

This is to everyone overall, I don't see why you can't like both, or neither, and still be a superman fan, it DOESN't have to be a dichotomy...its not like in order to be a devout smallville, you must hate the movie...because that's retarded...each one is their own interpretation of the mythos, because by that same argument, all smallville fans hate the superman comic books and L&C...and neither are 100% close to the original comics, in fact, even within the comic universe they aren't all the same. I like them both a lot, but i don't think either one perfect, by no means. The movie made a lot of mistakes, just like the show.

:supes: :super:

you dont have a history of posting here. its not that we hate the movie (though i will say that most of us are not particularly fond of it) its that SR-philes constantly come here to tell us how great their movie is compared to our show. then, we have to endure things like "the SV shield is ripping off SR"

it gets annoying. which is why SR is not allowed to be spoken about in here. Unfortunatley the mods havent been enforcing that as of late.

All-star and K-8 have been posting here for a while, and we get it, and we have those debates and move on. their are no hard feelings bc we are accustomed to eachother, even if the harping on the subject gets a little tired.

what we as a group (hopefully i speak for the rest of us, if not, im sorry) do not feel like we have to put up with are people who show up here out of nowhere talking about how great SR is compared to SV and that the only good stuff from SV comes from SR.

[The Caped Knight]

Pat I'm not trying to start a fight with you, but You should alow us to share are own opinion.

I too see the similarities between the SR Emlbem and SV's as well .

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean we can share our views on the issue.

Also no one is fighting or being rude. So their's really no need to have an outburst like that .

:cool:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hell my wife even asked why they were using the Returns symbol as well as friends so I am just saying it looks like it I am not saying they copied it.


:huh: I thought you were like 15?

[Ultimate_Superman]

you dont have a history of posting here. its not that we hate the movie (though i will say that most of us are not particularly fond of it) its that SR-philes constantly come here to tell us how great their movie is compared to our show. then, we have to endure things like "the SV shield is ripping off SR"

it gets annoying. which is why SR is not allowed to be spoken about in here. Unfortunatley the mods havent been enforcing that as of late.

All-star and K-8 have been posting here for a while, and we get it, and we have those debates and move on. their are no hard feelings bc we are accustomed to eachother, even if the harping on the subject gets a little tired.

what we as a group (hopefully i speak for the rest of us, if not, im sorry) do not feel like we have to put up with are people who show up here out of nowhere talking about how great SR is compared to SV and that the only good stuff from SV comes from SR.But now one is saying that. Well atleast I'm not I am just saying the two look very much alike and wonder if thats part of the WB deal with the show that everything dealing with Superman has to look close to it. Now if the \S/ looked like Reeve \S/ we wouldn't be having this talk and we would be saying it looks like Reeve \S/ hell if it was based off of TAS or Cain \S/ we would be do the same thing but it doesn't look like theirs. Now I think the SV is great but you have to admit they do look alike.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:huh: I thought you were like 15?no 25 but nice joke Hulk I laughed alittle.

[Kaboom]

^^^i admit only that theyre similiar only because hey come from a common ancestor.

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.supermansupersite.com/logos.html

[The Incredible Hulk]

no 25 but nice joke Hulk I laughed alittle.

scary...

[M.O.Steel]

you dont have a history of posting here. its not that we hate the movie (though i will say that most of us are not particularly fond of it) its that SR-philes constantly come here to tell us how great their movie is compared to our show. then, we have to endure things like "the SV shield is ripping off SR"

it gets annoying. which is why SR is not allowed to be spoken about in here. Unfortunatley the mods havent been enforcing that as of late.

All-star and K-8 have been posting here for a while, and we get it, and we have those debates and move on. their are no hard feelings bc we are accustomed to eachother, even if the harping on the subject gets a little tired.

what we as a group (hopefully i speak for the rest of us, if not, im sorry) do not feel like we have to put up with are people who show up here out of nowhere talking about how great SR is compared to SV and that the only good stuff from SV comes from SR.

If you've seen my history of posts, then you know i never said that SR is better than SV (because i don't believe that at all), and i certainly do not think SV is ripping off of SR. I'm not sure why people are taking this personally. I HATED many many parts of the movie. In fact, after watching ZOD (season opener), I was even more disappointed in the movie because I had more fun watching those 45 minutes than a 3 hour big budget summer flick.

I don't post here often, (or at least didn't before, but now i do), but again i certainly don't see myself as a person "who show up here out of nowhere" and I certainly am not one of those that think "SR is great compared to SV and everything good from SV is from SR". This is open posting forum, for everyone for a good discussion. Again, it seems like everyone is getting upset just because i said it looks like the SR symbol. No one is copying from anyone else, no one is ripping off the other, because they all have teh same source, and ultimately they will all look the same and similar to each other. Just because you and the others you mentioned are regular posters doesn't mean you can't respect the other "new people" opinions. And like the person said, this is a discussion of the S in smallvile, i don't see how me offering my opinion is a sign of prolonging a dead argument that has moved on?

I think those that come in this forum to say that SR is greater than SV is really insecure about their movie and feel the need to make the rest of the world agree with them. I am a superman comic fan first, and then whatever else comes. Just because i have routh as my avatar doesn't mean my alliance is with SR and i hate SV. If i thought that, I wouldn't watch every episode, and then come here to discuss and see what others have to say about it. I read triplet's reviews, and i see what others liked or disliked about the show. While you're staying to keep the two separate, I'm trying to bring the two together. I don't feel i have to take one side or the other, just like i don't think every superman fan should pick one. It kinda sucks for the middle people who like both, because they have no place where they can share their opinion.

[Kaboom]

i didnt accuse you of that.

i think i'm going to take a hiatus before i'm as bald as lex after i pull all the hair out of my head.

[M.O.Steel]

i didnt accuse you of that.

i think i'm going to take a hiatus before i'm as bald as lex after i pull all the hair out of my head.

haha ok, well i'm sorry you had to do that...i just felt like i was being pushed in the corner by the smallville mob, and it was important for me to voice my opinion.

[Brainiac 8]

i didnt accuse you of that.

i think i'm going to take a hiatus before i'm as bald as lex after i pull all the hair out of my head.


Boomster, I can't take over the world without an accomplace.

Don't let 'em chase ya off.:ninja:

[Kaboom]

when all you got to keep is strong, move along move along just to make it through move along.

[BaK]

E = mc²

CK + \8/ = \S/

[The Caped Knight]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8443/bgjx9.gif
IMO The Classic one is the Best .

[AgentPat]

Hey Kal, what happened to that image? ^

Is it supposed to be like that? :confused:

Shouldn't it look like this:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/logo.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

The Many \S/ throught History
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8085/supermanbyallageamb6.jpg
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/media/gallery/184.jpg
http://superman.ugo.com/images/galleries/superman_movies_filmtv/fleischer_4.jpg

[Kaboom]

The Many \S/ throught History
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8085/supermanbyallageamb6.jpg
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/media/gallery/184.jpg
http://superman.ugo.com/images/galleries/superman_movies_filmtv/fleischer_4.jpg

very nice...i still like max fleishers look best

[The Caped Knight]

SUPERMAN : THE ANIMATED SERIES is still my favorite , followed by Reeve, & Routh .

[Ultimate_Superman]

The Many \S/ throught History
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8085/supermanbyallageamb6.jpg
I am sorry but Welling looks so out of place with out the suit on. No disrespect but he does.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I am sorry but Welling looks so out of place with out the suit on. No disrespect but he does.


funny I was going to say Ruth didnt belong front and center and his pleather and rubber wet suit looked really out of place next to the rest of them. No disrespect of course.

[Brainiac 8]

I agree, Reeve should have been front and center.

Great picture though, very stylish, the artist is very talented. :up:

[COMPO]

have you noticed that the suits have become darker in the years?

[COMPO]

I agree, Reeve should have been front and center.

Great picture though, very stylish, the artist is very talented. :up:

Actually, i like where Reeves is. He's sort of standing there towering over the rest. I like that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

funny I was going to say Ruth didnt belong front and center and his pleather and rubber wet suit looked really out of place next to the rest of them. No disrespect of course.To be honest he kind of does with the Puff Daddy suit :up:

[The Caped Knight]

I am sorry but Welling looks so out of place with out the suit on. No disrespect but he does.

Indeed he does ,None taken All Star :cool:

funny I was going to say Ruth and his pleather and rubber wet suit looked really out of place next to the rest of them. No disrespect of course.

Now Hulk that was uncalled for [first at least have the respect to spell the man's name right] second Let not turn this into another TW vs. BR war. {the only reason I posted this pic was to show all the different version of superman emblem .}

[Ultimate_Superman]

Now Hulk that was uncalled for [first at least have the respect to spell the man's name right] second Let not turn this into another TW vs. BR war. {the only reason I posted this pic was to show all the different version of superman emblem .}Just agree with him thats all he wants. Thats why I agreed with him.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Now Hulk that was uncalled for [first at least have the respect to spell the man's name right] second Let not turn this into another TW vs. BR war. {the only reason I posted this pic was to show all the different version of superman emblem .}

wait so his thinly veiled shot at Welling is OK because he prefaces it with "no offense," but mine in retort doing the same just in reverse isn't?

And the name spelling was an unintentional, yet somewhat humorous typoe BTW.

Just agree with him thats all he wants. Thats why I agreed with him.

I'd be worried about my mental state if I started agreeing with you on things. No disrespect, of course.

[The Caped Knight]

wait so his thinly veiled shot at Welling is OK because he prefaces it with "no offense," but mine in retort doing the same just in reverse isn't?

And the name spelling was an unintentional, yet somewhat humorous typoe BTW.



I'd be worried about my mental state if I started agreeing with you on things. No disrespect, of course.

No it's not Ok

Ruth instead of [b]Routh sure it was unintentional :whatever:

lol Hulk lol

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh if you think I was taking a cheap shot at Welling your way off. Look at the freaking picture????? What is the one thing everyone but him has in common???? They all are wearing the suit. Now if you did a manip with Welling in the suit he would not be the odd man out. For that reason alone I say Welling looks out of place because he is not wearing the suit like the rest of them. I would have thought you would have got that with out me going into detail.


Getting up there in age huh grandpa.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ruth instead of Routh sure it was unintentional :whatever:

lol Hulk lol

trust me, I could come up with much better ways to mock him if I was trying to.... lolz

[The Caped Knight]

trust me, I could come up with much better ways to mock him if I was trying to.... lolz

I Trust you as far I can throw you Hulk . :woot:

[The Caped Knight]

Oh if you think I was taking a cheap shot at Welling your way off. Look at the freaking picture????? What is the one thing everyone but him has in common???? They all are wearing the suit. Now if you did a manip with Welling in the suit he would not be the odd man out. For that reason alone I say Welling looks out of place because he is not wearing the suit like the rest of them. I would have thought you would have got that with out me going into detail.


Getting up there in age huh grandpa.

Nice comeback All-star :cool:

[Kaboom]

well, if thats teh case, i'm going to side with hulk....routh looks out of place because he's th eonly with brown hair and a maroon \S/.

cmon guys, everbody knows it was welling slight. and everyone knows it was a routh slight. can we just mov on?

[The Incredible Hulk]

I Trust you as far I can throw you Hulk .

I'm surprisingly aerodynamic....


Nice comeback All-star :cool:

you two should get a room.....

[Ultimate_Superman]

You wrote this I'm surprisingly aerodynamic....




you two should get a room.....but all I heard was thisDont make me angery!!! You won't like me if I am angery


http://emeraldisle-ejs.us/Another_Realm/Photo_Gallery/Incredible_Hulk/hulk017.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

I'm surprisingly aerodynamic....




you two should get a room.....

huh

Your a sick man

[Kaboom]

huh

Your a sick man

Blksuperman2 says "You're a sick man."

Got it covered dude! I'm looking out.

:woot:

[Ultimate_Superman]

well, if thats teh case, i'm going to side with hulk....routh looks out of place because he's th eonly with brown hair and a maroon \S/.

cmon guys, everbody knows it was welling slight. and everyone knows it was a routh slight. can we just mov on?No I was just trying to clear something up I wasn't making fun of Welling or attacking him. But he thought different and I was just clearing it up.

[The Caped Knight]

Blksuperman2 says "You're a sick man."

Got it covered dude! I'm looking out.

:woot:

First Off I have a girlfriend

Second I'm only 18 years old .

[Kaboom]

First Off I have a girlfriend

Second I'm only 18 years old .

dude, i was just pointing out the fact that you used "your" when you were supposed to use "you're"...nothing to do with the substance of the post.

remember blksuperman2's sig used to be the thing about getting angry when people can't tell the difference? thats it.

[The Caped Knight]

dude, i was just pointing out the fact that you used "your" when you were supposed to use "you're"...nothing to do with the substance of the post.

remember blksuperman2's sig used to be the thing about getting angry when people can't tell the difference? thats it.

Oh, I'm sorry . :csad:

[blksuperman2]

Blksuperman2 says "You're a sick man."

Got it covered dude! I'm looking out.

:woot:

Outstanding.:ninja:

First Off I have a girlfriend

Second I'm only 18 years old .

Whoa. Calm down big boy. Not on the first date. LOL

[avidreader]

Lots of testosterone floating around in here today, I see. :cwink:

[AgentPat]

Oh for the love of .....

Yo, PEEPS! Listen up! This thread was intended for:

Thought I'd start a thread for all the uses of the \8/ and \S/ as seen in SV.Note the underlined part. If you want to discuss other incarnations of the \S/ shield, please take it to SuperWorld where such discussion belongs. If this thread gets closed down, there's gonna be hell to pay. :mad:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh for the love of .....

Yo, PEEPS! Listen up! This thread was intended for:

Note the underlined part. If you want to discuss other incarnations of the \S/ shield, please take it to SuperWorld where such discussion belongs. If this thread gets closed down, there's gonna be hell to pay. :mad:This thread as well though belongs in the Super World because I have seen other \S/ appear in here and not just the SR \S/

[The Caped Knight]

Now this should be intresting
http://supermanfanart.com/artists/huckman/images/superman-faces.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

^^Now thats a wallpaper to use

[Brainiac 8]

Actually, i like where Reeves is. He's sort of standing there towering over the rest. I like that.


I didn't think of that, and you're correct, it is kinda like that.

[AgentPat]

This thread as well though belongs in the Super World because I have seen other \S/ appear in here and not just the SR \S/No, it does NOT. This thread is ABOUT the \8/ and the \S/ logos as they appear in SMALLVILLE. C'mon All-Star - stop acting stupid; I know you're smarter than that.

Kal, we've got a manip thread. Why not post those manips there? Both are nice, but are completely off topic here since those logos (on the suit and in conjuction with it) haven't been seen in the show yet.

This isn't rocket science folks. It shouldn't be THAT difficult to understand.

Anyway... back ON TOPIC! Here's two caps from Reunion:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reunion2.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reunion3.jpg

It will be interesting to see how they explain the evolution to the more traditional \S/ since it has now made its appearance, especially since the \8/ is still being referenced IN the show.

In Exodus, Jor-El told Clark the \8/ was the mark of his ancestors. Maybe it's like any other form of writing - letters and symbols change through time. Perhaps the \S/ is Clark's current family crest - similar to the Birthright angle - and the \8/ is what it *used* to look like in the past? Whatever it is though, it may be the first time any Superman story incorporated two very different representations of the shield logo. :D :up:

[avidreader]

^^^^ Since you introduced those pictures, I dont feel like I am straying from topic :cwink: , but Lionel is reading the Legend of Naman and Sageeth there in that scene.

I wonder if he is going to draw the conclusion that it is about Clark and Lex.

[The Caped Knight]

It will be interesting to see how they explain the evolution to the more traditional \S/ since it has now made its appearance, especially since the \8/ is still being referenced IN the show.

In Exodus, Jor-El told Clark the \8/ was the mark of his ancestors. Maybe it's like any other form of writing - letters and symbols change through time. Perhaps the \S/ is Clark's current family crest - similar to the Birthright angle - and the \8/ is what it *used* to look like in the past? Whatever it is though, it may be the first time any Superman story incorporated two very different representations of the shield logo. :D :up:

Oh Come on Pat

The Superman emblem is the family crest of the House Of EL , The \8/ symbol is the Mark of Kal-EL's Ancestors and The Kryptonian letter S.

It doesn't taken a genius to figure that out . duh :oldrazz:

[AgentPat]

^^^^ Since you introduced those pictures, I dont feel like I am straying from topic :cwink:If it's ABOUT SV and things that happen IN the show, it's on topic. *hugs* :)

Lionel is reading the Legend of Naman and Sageeth there in that scene.He is? But Zod is referenced in the text?

I wonder if he is going to draw the conclusion that it is about Clark and Lex.Lionel will always be the wild card. They tell us so little about what's going on upstairs, and Glover doesn't drop too many hints. I think he likes it that way LOL. We still don't know what exactly happened to Jor-el, and if Lionel can even *read* Kryptonian, never less understand what any of it relates to. Gotta hand it to the writers on that angle.

[AgentPat]

Oh Come on Pat

The Superman emblem is The Symbol of The House Of EL , The \8/ symbol is the Mark of Kal-EL's Ancestors and The Kryptonian letter S.

It doesn't taken a genius to figure that out . duh :oldrazz:Yes, that's what it's setting up to be. But I want to hear it explained in SV. They shouldn't just skirt over those details. That's why we have a show like this. As an extended origin, they can go into great depth about the origin of everything. They spent the better part of an entire season explaining how the FOS came into being. Do you really think they'll just let audiences assume what you've written above? I think not. Also, the \8/ symbol is unique to SV. Like the evolution of the suit, the \8/ has to "mesh" with the traditional Superman \S/ logo in a way that's both logical and entertaining within the context of the show. And while the writers will respect the established mythology, they don't have to be slaves to it. I'm fairly certain we'll get some interesting curve balls thrown in along the way.

[avidreader]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reunion2.jpg


He is? But Zod is referenced in the text?


Well those pictures there are from the cave wall, which we know cover the Legend.

I dont think Lionel was looking at them because he likes the pretty pictures, although one does not know I guess. I think he may be trying to interpret what's going on.

I will agree with you that he is a wildcard, and thats just the way I love him.

:)

[The Caped Knight]

Yes, that's what it's setting up to be. But I want to hear it explained in SV. They shouldn't just skirt over those details. That's why we have a show like this. As an extended origin, they can go into great depth about the origin of everything. They spent the better part of an entire season explaining how the FOS came into being. Do you really think they'll just let audiences assume what you've written above? I think not. Also, the \8/ symbol is unique to SV. Like the evolution of the suit, the \8/ has to "mesh" with the traditional Superman \S/ logo in a way that's both logical and entertaining within the context of the show. And while the writers will respect the established mythology, they don't have to be slaves to it. I'm fairly certain we'll get some interesting curve balls thrown in along the way.

http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/House_of_El

[AgentPat]

Well those pictures there are from the cave wall, which we know cover the Legend.Yeah, the first cap are pics from the cave wall, but the second cap is Lionel's scribbles in his book when he was possessed by Jor-El, hense the Zod reference.

It would be an interesting twist and good continuity to have the Naman/Segeeth legend brought up again, however. :D

http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/House_of_ElI guess you missed my point, but I'm too tired to explain the whole SV-is-its-own-thing concept, yet again. :p

I'm off to bed. Looking forward to tomorrow's ep. Nighters folks! :)

[The Caped Knight]

I guess you missed my point, but I'm too tired to explain the whole SV-is-its-own-thing concept, yet again. :p




Just keep it Mythology based and I'm happy .

[Brainiac 8]

DOH, why bring in the Isobel symbol again...even in passing.:csad: :down

[Serene]

DOH, why bring in the Isobel symbol again...even in passing.:csad: :down

I love that symbol. :D :up: :p

Besides.. isn't really the symbol for Water? or was it Transference?

http://oxoniensis.net/caps/sv/408/spellws_014.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

I think you're right, I think it was water.

[The Incredible Hulk]

both :up:

water is the element of transference

the \8/ was the air symbol, and I forget what the one was for Earth, it was on the one Lex found in Egypt

[The Caped Knight]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7332/kryptonvl3.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

both :up:

water is the element of transference

the \8/ was the air symbol, and I forget what the one was for Earth, it was on the one Lex found in Egypt

It was FIRE not earth, their was no earth .

[avidreader]

Yeah, the first cap are pics from the cave wall, but the second cap is Lionel's scribbles in his book when he was possessed by Jor-El, hense the Zod reference.

Yep, agree with that. :up:

It would be an interesting twist and good continuity to have the Naman/Segeeth legend brought up again, however.

Well they're referencing Warrior Angel and Black Diamond (?) so I think it would be kind of cool for Lionel to explore the legend of Naman.

I guess you missed my point, but I'm too tired to explain the whole SV-is-its-own-thing concept, yet again.

I'm off to bed.

Hope you have a good night's sleep. Can you fill us in on the whole SV-is-its-own-thing concept in the morning? :cwink:

Thanks. :up:

Looking forward to tomorrow's ep. Nighters folks! :)

DOH, why bring in the Isobel symbol again...even in passing.:csad: :down

Whilst I dont think we need to explore Isobel again, it would be interesting to understand why Lana's bloodline was chosen to be a part of the Kryptonian Mythology.

I think when Lana finds out about Clark, that it should be and would make a very interesting subject for her to bring up and explore.

Me too! I'm eagerly anticipating this one, 'cause its about Clark.

[greenlantern248]

Kal is there supposed to be a message in there? I was translating it and it's just letters. The top row QWFY DS THG YTHYKIO that's as far as I got.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Wasnt Warrior Angel's main foe in Stray and Ryan named "Devilicus" and not the "Black Diamond?"

[Squatlow]

Oh Come on Pat

The Superman emblem is the family crest of the House Of EL , The \8/ symbol is the Mark of Kal-EL's Ancestors and The Kryptonian letter S.

It doesn't taken a genius to figure that out . duh :oldrazz:

Apparently, neither Mark Waid the writer of "Birthright", nor 60 some-odd years of other distinguished comic book writers meet your standards for genius...

For what its worth, "Birthright" is more or less modern canon for the comics.

In "Birthright" Mr. Waid modifies canon and makes the \S/ the symbol of Krypton. Not the House of El family crest.

"That's what I'm getting at. That if the 'S' is just something Jonathan Kent cobbled up out of thin air so he can call his son 'Superman,' not only does it have no resonance, it makes no sense. Why would Clark think he needs something like that on his shirt? He's a humble man. Likewise, if the 'S' is an El family crest, as cool an idea as that was in Superman: The Movie, I will argue until the end of time that Superman's destiny is not to carry on one family's linage near as much as it is to carry on for an entire culture, an entire race. We don't call him the Last Son of the El Family. We call him the Last Son of Krypton."
Mark Waid-Superman Birthright


In the history of Superman, the \S/ always stood for Superman until S:TM came out. In that movie, the writers effectively changed 40 years of canon and made the \S/ the symbol of the House of EL...

Ergo, the one thing we can say is that the \S/ symbol is whatever the writers want it to be whether a stylized 'S', the EL family crest, the Kryptonian symbol for air, or the actual symbol of Krypton.

The one thing to remember is that the Legend of Superman is a living, breathing, enduring, yet ever changing, myth.

And, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

:cwink:

[Kaboom]

Apparently, neither Mark Waid the writer of "Birthright", nor 60 some-odd years of other distinguished comic book writers meet your standards for genius...

For what its worth, "Birthright" is more or less modern canon for the comics.

In "Birthright" Mr. Waid modifies canon and makes the \S/ the symbol of Krypton. Not the House of El family crest.

"That's what I'm getting at. That if the 'S' is just something Jonathan Kent cobbled up out of thin air so he can call his son 'Superman,' not only does it have no resonance, it makes no sense. Why would Clark think he needs something like that on his shirt? He's a humble man. Likewise, if the 'S' is an El family crest, as cool an idea as that was in Superman: The Movie, I will argue until the end of time that Superman's destiny is not to carry on one family's linage near as much as it is to carry on for an entire culture, an entire race. We don't call him the Last Son of the El Family. We call him the Last Son of Krypton."
Mark Waid-Superman Birthright


In the history of Superman, the \S/ always stood for Superman until S:TM came out. In that movie, the writers effectively changed 40 years of canon and made the \S/ the symbol of the House of EL...

Ergo, the one thing we can say is that the \S/ symbol is whatever the writers want it to be whether a stylized 'S', the EL family crest, the Kryptonian symbol for air, or the actual symbol of Krypton.

The one thing to remember is that the Legend of Superman is a living, breathing, enduring, yet ever changing, myth.

And, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

:cwink:

i dont know why but i just felt like it was sunday morning after that sermon.

[Brainiac 8]

Birthright was such an awsomely written story.:word:

[avidreader]

Wasnt Warrior Angel's main foe in Stray and Ryan named "Devilicus" and not the "Black Diamond?"

That's right. I knew when they were mentioning the villain in Reunion that it was different. I wonder what's up there?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Birthright was such an awsomely written story.:word:Yes it was it has the feel of a novel/movie.

[superboy13]

Before SR, I wanted Birthright as the new Superman movie, it'd have been AWESOME! (Not that SR wasn't, I love it)

[Kaboom]

I think rotten eggs smell awful, and i can't believe Abe Sapien likes them!

[Brainiac 8]

That's right. I knew when they were mentioning the villain in Reunion that it was different. I wonder what's up there?


I was thinking that was a different villain than the one he was talking about in Ryan. Superheroes usually have many villians. They didn't have to be the same one.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Before SR, I wanted Birthright as the new Superman movie, it'd have been AWESOME! (Not that SR wasn't, I love it)Hell yeah and Tom Welling would have been perfect ofr the movie. Even though Waid has flat out said it wasn't based off of SV and had nothing to do with it I still think it feel in line with the show at that point and time (1-4) and could have worked.

[avidreader]

I was thinking that was a different villain than the one he was talking about in Ryan. Superheroes usually have many villians. They didn't have to be the same one.

Well that's true. Usually when they talk about Warrior Angel, they're talking about Clark, and Devilicus, who was like a brother to Warrior Angel was Lex.

So I wonder who this new villain, Black Diamond, is supposed to be

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well that's true. Usually when they talk about Warrior Angel, they're talking about Clark, and Devilicus, who was like a brother to Warrior Angel was Lex.

So I wonder who this new villain, Black Diamond, is supposed to beZod:huh::huh::huh:

[War Lord]

Well that's true. Usually when they talk about Warrior Angel, they're talking about Clark, and Devilicus, who was like a brother to Warrior Angel was Lex.

So I wonder who this new villain, Black Diamond, is supposed to be

Pete.

[Brainiac 8]

Well that's true. Usually when they talk about Warrior Angel, they're talking about Clark, and Devilicus, who was like a brother to Warrior Angel was Lex.

So I wonder who this new villain, Black Diamond, is supposed to be


I had thought Black Diamond was supposed to be Lionel....I don't know I'll have to watch the episode again.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I had thought Black Diamond was supposed to be Lionel....I don't know I'll have to watch the episode again.

apparently THIS (http://www.blackdiamondvocals.com/home.cfm) is the Black Diamond :eek:

http://www.blackdiamondvocals.com/shared/page_images/_home_color_homepage.jpg

[triplet]

I had thought Black Diamond was supposed to be Lionel....I don't know I'll have to watch the episode again.

No Black Diamond's father was in jail and Black Diamond and Warrior Angel fought because he blamed WA for his dad's death, even though it was accidental.

*shrug*

[avidreader]

No Black Diamond's father was in jail and Black Diamond and Warrior Angel fought because he blamed WA for his dad's death, even though it was accidental.

*shrug*

I cant quite get my head around it, but it sounds like a Zod/Jor-el, Kal-el incident. With the jail being the PZ. Moreso than a Clark/Lex/Lionel incident.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

You might be onto something Avid. Didn't Gough and Millar say that we would learn a bit more about Jor-El and Zod in Krypton and how Zod helped lead Krypton to it's destruction ?

[triplet]

Things that make you wanna say "hmmmm...."

Interesting....

*strokes chin thoughtfully*

[avidreader]

You might be onto something Avid. Didn't Gough and Millar say that we would learn a bit more about Jor-El and Zod in Krypton and how Zod helped lead Krypton to it's destruction ?

They did indeed. I think the story went that Jor-el and Zod were once friends and they turned enemies and we would see how that came about.

[Serene]

No Black Diamond's father was in jail and Black Diamond and Warrior Angel fought because he blamed WA for his dad's death, even though it was accidental.

*shrug*

OH!
Do we know that Black Diamond is a male?

'Cause there is someone else who might blame Clark for the accidental death of her father... *ahem* and mother.

[Kaboom]

i made a new thread check it out!

[avidreader]

OH!
Do we know that Black Diamond is a male?

'Cause there is someone else who might blame Clark for the accidental death of her father... *ahem* and mother.

Shoot, your right. Hmmm.....

But hang on, there was no prison involved with their death.

i made a new thread check it out!

You should copy and paste this entire discussion into that thread. :woot:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

They did indeed. I think the story went that Jor-el and Zod were once friends and they turned enemies and we would see how that came about.

Thought so. Well this just gives us something extra to fuss about while they go into their holliday hiatus in November or December. Which will be the last episode aired until they start again on January ?

[The Caped Knight]

"fallout"
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/287/bscap268nl7.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4329/bscap535ez5.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6266/bscap542ye9.jpg
THE HOUSE OF EL Crystal :super:

[The Incredible Hulk]

wasnt it silver in Zod?

[Brainiac 8]

I thought it was too.:huh:

[The Caped Knight]

wasnt it silver in Zod?
yes

[avidreader]

wasnt it silver in Zod?

Maybe it changes colours as new phantoms get sucked into it.

[AgentPat]

wasnt it silver in Zod?They keep changing it. Size, color, chain, no chain....

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4231/scrystalyn7.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2294/sv6010614zu9.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3619/snapshot20060929060645ke3.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/78/snapshot20061027035513zc0.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6266/bscap542ye9.jpg

:rolleyes:

It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)

[avidreader]

Hey Pat. You and me, we're like that. :cwink:

[AgentPat]

Hey Pat. You and me, we're like that. :cwink:LOL!!!! I just saw that.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, Avidreader and AgentPat were separated at birth. It happens.

;)

[M.O.Steel]

I thought black diamond and warrior angel are lex and clark, with them being friends at first but in the end they end up fighting. Now, we have speculations that lionel will die at the hands of lex, but why can't clark somehow be connected. Lionel knows clark's secret, and maybe when lex tries to kill clark, lionel gets in the way of clark and ends up getting killed (similar to allison's death). And even tho lex is the one who killed lionel, he somehow blames clark for it, because he also felt that lionel loved him more than lex. The comic book could be a foreshadow of what's to come

[avidreader]

LOL!!!! I just saw that.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, Avidreader and AgentPat were separated at birth. It happens.

;)

LOL! That's quite an accomplishment, considering we were born in different hemispheres. :woot:

[heliorei]

They keep changing it. Size, color, chain, no chain....

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4231/scrystalyn7.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2294/sv6010614zu9.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3619/snapshot20060929060645ke3.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/78/snapshot20061027035513zc0.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6266/bscap542ye9.jpg

:rolleyes:

It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)


Those scenes of Clark powering up the Fortress showing the classic colours of the emblem didn't show up in Fallout...right?

[NHawk19]

It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)

:cmad: Dont give them any ideas :cmad:



though it would explain why it's raised off the suit now hmmmmmmm

No forget I said that.

[Brainiac 8]

:cmad: Dont give them any ideas :cmad:



though it would explain why it's raised off the suit now hmmmmmmm

No forget I said that.


Hush yourself Hawk, TPTB do listen sometimes.:cmad:

And the one with the cord attached to it. I figured that one was a case that held the crystal. So it didn't get hurt or lost or something. That is why there was a cord attached to it. Since Clark got ahold of it, it hasn't had the cord.

[Kaboom]

Hush yourself Hawk, TPTB do listen sometimes.:cmad:
.

be vewy kwiet....wurr 'untin wabbits.

[Brainiac 8]

be vewy kwiet....wurr 'untin wabbits.

http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Elmer.gif

[The Caped Knight]

be vewy kwiet....wurr 'untin wabbits.

http://redstudio.moma.org/images/Elmer_Fudd_Bugs_Bunny.jpg
"Eh...(carrot chewing sounds) what's up, doc?"

[Brainiac 8]

http://www.alexross.com/CJ011.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.fascinationst.com/productImages/sku2353.jpg
Not bad Doc. But see if you can top this

[Brainiac 8]

That's funny, but mine involves more characters.

Loony Toons FTW!:woot: :cwink:

[The Caped Knight]

That's funny, but mine involves more characters.

Loony Toons FTW!:woot: :cwink:

cool

BTW The name is LOONEY TUNES. BUGS BUNNY is My number one favorite looney tune. Warner Bros. must be very happy with owning the copyrights to the number one worldwide most famous Iconic characters.

speaking of which
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2540/supermanbugsbunnyaw2.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

cool

BTW The name is LOONEY TUNES. BUGS BUNNY is My number one favorite looney tune. Warner Bros. must be very happy with owning the copyrights to the number 1 worldwide famous Iconic characters.

speaking of which
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2540/supermanbugsbunnyaw2.jpg


I'm allowed to say TOONS.:o :cwink:

Yea, they are great. That's pretty funny, except that I hate Plastic Man. He ranks right up there with the lamo super heroes.:cmad:

[Kaboom]

who would win a race? flash or the road runner?

and has anyone seen the new looney toons show with ace bunny? its kinda cool.

[KalKai]

Those scenes of Clark powering up the Fortress showing the classic colours of the emblem didn't show up in Fallout...right?

That scene wasn't Clark powering up the fortress, that's the same scene where Clark uses the crystal against Baern's powers.

[The Caped Knight]

who would win a race? flash or the road runner?

and has anyone seen the new looney toons show with ace bunny? its kinda cool.

It would be a tie

I have at first [based on the desgin of the Classic Looney Tunes] was compleatly turned off and pretty upset that Warner Bros. would alow this, Until I saw the preimere with my little brother. I thought it was cool.

I like the team
[Ace rules with his Heat vision and badass saber]
[Tech is a genius]
[Rev is funny]
[Slam is a badass]
[Lexi is a hotty]
[Danger Duck is cool]

:woot:

[Gold Samurai]

:rolleyes:

It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)


That sounds dangerous for superman walking around with an \S/ filled with the spirits of captured PZ criminals on his chest hehe

[Kaboom]

yea lets hope the EPA doesnt come looking for clark and make him shut it down.

[KalKai]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2347/semblemsl4.jpg

[AgentPat]

Ooooo.... Kai's gettin' fancy! Nice panel, dude! :up: :D

[avidreader]

Most of the time it appears to have a silver/blue colour to it. It seems that it only turned black when it was in Zod's hand, which I guess stands to reason. Him being the big bad dude and all. :cwink:

[Zorex]

They keep changing it. Size, color, chain, no chain....
It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)
I was thinking about that too, last night. Made me think of the changes in the designs of the ship and its "heart." Except, the design changes were from the original pilot to later episodes right? This is design change within this season. Must be intentional. Look forwrard to further changes...

and more backstory about Zod and Jor-El? I love the sound of that :up::up:

[RakuMon]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/staticgallery4.htm

[The Incredible Hulk]

cool red x ;)

[Kaboom]

im kinda upset the emblem is becoming the deus ex machina

[phil]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2347/semblemsl4.jpg
Love the shape of this shield, similar to SR's which is a very well done shape as well but I like this one better because it seems to be "taller" and proportioned very nice to stretch across the chest area.

[AgentPat]

Love the shape of this shield, similar to SR's which is a very well done shape as well but I like this one better because it seems to be "taller" and proportioned very nice to stretch across the chest area.Agreed. It's evenly proportioned, having a height similar to its width. I like it! :up:

[avidreader]

im kinda upset the emblem is becoming the deus ex machina

I think its only going to work on the Phantoms. Batista seems to have landed on earth in full flesh and blood, so he is going to have to be exposed of by some other means.

But really when you think about it, is it any worse than say a cop pulling a gun on the bad guy in the cop shows?

[Gold Samurai]

I think its only going to work on the Phantoms. Batista seems to have landed on earth in full flesh and blood, so he is going to have to be exposed of by some other means.

But really when you think about it, is it any worse than say a cop pulling a gun on the bad guy in the cop shows?
it can only get worse if Clark resorts to using cellophane S's to capture the remaining criminals :)

[The Caped Knight]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2347/semblemsl4.jpg

Nice.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2497/slogo0km.gif
But I still like this emblem better [always have , always Will]

[Kaboom]

In tongihts episode freak, Lana is bowling with an 8lbs bowling ball

[blksuperman2]

You know what I didn't get the connection. I did think that it was odd that she had a ball that heavy though. My wife is KK's size and she has to use a 6lb ball.

[FanboyX_Returns]

In tongihts episode freak, Lana is bowling with an 8lbs bowling ball

Wow the ball out weights her by how much? :woot:

[ariellem]

...[other pix of other \s/ images omitted for space]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/78/snapshot20061027035513zc0.jpg

...

It keeps getting bigger too. Maybe it changes size each time he stuffs another criminal back into the PZ through it? By the end of the season, it'll be big enough to wear on his chest. LOL :p

(I will SOOOOO LMFAO if that's what they do with it too!)

That sounds dangerous for superman walking around with an \S/ filled with the spirits of captured PZ criminals on his chest hehe

Most of the time it appears to have a silver/blue colour to it. It seems that it only turned black when it was in Zod's hand, which I guess stands to reason. Him being the big bad dude and all. :cwink:

it can only get worse if Clark resorts to using cellophane S's to capture the remaining criminals :)


* it NEEDS to get bigger s.t. he can wear it on his chest as Supes
* "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
* red could come from containing bad guys - ?
* there was at least one instance (above) when the \S/colors were right for Supes. Which ep was it, and what was happening?
* perhaps it goes red-yellow when he finally completes his training & accepts his destiny?

* if he has it on his chest & then wants to throw it, well, hopefully no Zoners can escape...

[AllThingsComic]

I'm surprised the studio bigwigs allowed Smallville to use the crest at all!

[Brainiac 8]

It goes to show nothing is set in stone.:cwink:

[TheCaptain22555]

You guys have some great eyes. I had no clue of all these hidden symbols peppered throughout the eps.

[Kaboom]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/kaboom43/sv8bb.jpg

[Kaboom]

You guys have some great eyes. I had no clue of all these hidden symbols peppered throughout the eps.

where's tennille?

[Serene]

where's taneil?

Hee! I could NOT figure out what you were saying at first. Then it occurred to me: "Tennille."

[Kaboom]

Hee! I could NOT figure out what you were saying at first. Then it occurred to me: "Tennille."
fixed! thanks for the heads up

[The Caped Knight]

"PHANTOM"

http://www.picturezero.com/out.php/i76_TheS.gif
Originally posted by Assman .

[blksuperman2]

^ I still don't get why the \S/ was used :huh: :huh:

[blksuperman2]

Clark tried to use Raya's crystal. He held it up but the phantom smashed through it.


I thought that's what happened. It just went too fast. I really didn't see him hold anything up. A cool fight scene though.

[Zorex]

I really...really like that :supes:

[04nbod]

I thought that's what happened. It just went too fast. I really didn't see him hold anything up. A cool fight scene though.
same for me. :huh:

[KalKai]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9949/phantomsiu4.jpg

[Binker]

Umm, with that shot, the Smallville "S" I got made for me isn't that quite right. 95% of my shield is right now, except for the "v" tip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/SVs-Background2.jpg

I like the shield made for me beter than that, because that "v" tip from that screenshot looks off.

[The Caped Knight]

Umm, with that shot, the Smallville "S" I got made for me isn't that quite right. 95% of my shield is right now, except for the "v" tip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/SVs-Background2.jpg

I like the shield made for me better than that, because that "v" tip from that screenshot looks off.


http://www.nedarc.org/nedarc/analyzingData/images/stampOfApproval.gif
:cwink: :super:

[Binker]

Oh! So is it right on with how the "S" is shown on Smallville, or is it better?

[Asteroid-Man]

The \8/ and the \S/ references are amazing!

[rubinator]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2347/semblemsl4.jpg
Why does the stone change material and size, in the first pic it is a white sort of see through one, and the second it goes to a black silver non see through one, and later on it gets like 2 times bigger and now blue tinted and bigger, does the stone change after every phantom captured and if so it it bacause of the stone or did the creators just keep changing the stone for coolness

[Serene]

Why does the stone change material and size, in the first pic it is a white sort of see through one, and the second it goes to a black silver non see through one, and later on it gets like 2 times bigger and now blue tinted and bigger, does the stone change after every phantom captured and if so it it bacause of the stone or did the creators just keep changing the stone for coolness

Magic. :D

[AgentPat]

Magic. :DExactly! "A wizard did it."

Best. Response. Ever! Thank you, Ms. Lawless. :D

[avidreader]

^^^ They actually made mention of that in the latest Smallville Magazine, but I cant remember what the reason was. :O

[AgentPat]

^^^ They actually made mention of that in the latest Smallville Magazine, but I cant remember what the reason was. :OThey increased the size so it would read better on camera. Basically, it needed to be more "noticeable." ;)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

"A wizard did it."


Clark had a one night stand with Hermione & she worked some magic after getting him on Red Kryptonite :ninja:

[AgentPat]

Clark had a one night stand with Hermione & she worked some magic after getting him on Red Kryptonite :ninja:I think I'd actually like to see that. Yeah. I would. :D

[Syncos]

Why does the stone change material and size, in the first pic it is a white sort of see through one, and the second it goes to a black silver non see through one, and later on it gets like 2 times bigger and now blue tinted and bigger, does the stone change after every phantom captured and if so it it bacause of the stone or did the creators just keep changing the stone for coolness

I just made up a scenario in my mind where it was soo small that Clark kept loosing it. So he'd go to the fortress, and ask Jor-El for another one. Jor-El getting fed up with Clark's shenanigans, decided to make the next one large enough that Clark couldn't loose it. :D

[The Caped Knight]

Kara Zor-EL's Spaceship

http://smallville.fan-sites.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Kara01.jpg
http://smallville.fan-sites.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Kara02.jpg

[ariellem]

Kara Zor-EL's Spaceship

http://smallville.fan-sites.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Kara01.jpg
http://smallville.fan-sites.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Kara02.jpg

What's the translation of the Kryptonian writing on her ship?

[NHawk19]

I'll give this a bump cause I'd like to know the answer to that one as well.

[smsvmos]

ok here are the letters in order after the 8 symbol

S - M - O - L - M - Z - F - Y

if u want go ahead and decipher it

[ariellem]

ok here are the letters in order after the 8 symbol
S - M - O - L - M - Z - F - Y

if u want go ahead and decipher it

A Kryptonian word??? A code??? Missing letters in between that will light up later? <SIGH> Figured there'd at least be a "K" for "Kara".

SiMoLar MiZz FlY - hahaha, aliens can't spell.

<SIGH>

[Asteroid-Man]

I think they are all initials of things that greatly affected Clark.

S-M = Superman

O = Oliver

L = Luthor

M= Manhunter

Z= Zod

F= Flash

Y=?

[ariellem]

Y for Mxy, since he does things backward?

[Donnie Darko]

Y, the last man?

all right, I know that's not right, I just thought I'd play along

[The Caped Knight]

"Kara"
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9681/94855709sc6.gif
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5759/59734409jn3.gif

The Image of Baby Kal-EL in Kara's House Of EL crystal is the same one as the one seen in season 3 "Memoria" .

http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/thumb/0/02/Sv319Baby_Kal_El.JPG/600px-Sv319Baby_Kal_El.JPG

[TWistim]

"Kara"
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9681/94855709sc6.gif
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5759/59734409jn3.gif

The Image of Baby Kal-EL in Kara's House Of EL crystal is the same one as the one seen in season 3 "Memoria" .

http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/thumb/0/02/Sv319Baby_Kal_El.JPG/600px-Sv319Baby_Kal_El.JPG

Good catch! That is an adorable baby. I am so looking forward to the episode "Lara."

[The Caped Knight]

Kara's Spaceship

http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap020.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap023.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap026.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap028.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

THE HOUSE OF EL Crystal
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap049.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap051.jpg

[COMPO]

Good catch! That is an adorable baby. I am so looking forward to the episode "Lara."

I am too. I hope we actually see Krypton.

[The Caped Knight]

Kara's Kryptonian braclet
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap266.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

Kara's spaceship - (notice it's Red & it's bigger than Brainiac's)
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap391.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap392.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap538.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap539.jpg
http://galerie.smallville-town.com/albums/Captures/Saison_7/702-Kara/bscap541.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

Large versions
http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/7x02kara/kara055.jpg
http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/7x02kara/kara347.jpg
http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/7x02kara/kara488.jpg
http://www.smallvillededication.com

[The Caped Knight]

"Lara"
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/706/_Lara-016.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/706/_Lara-004.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/706/_Lara-026.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/706/_Lara-499.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/706/_Lara-501.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2958

[The Caped Knight]

"Fracture"
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/albums/tv/smallville/episodescreencaps/Season7/712/Fracture-020.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3091

[The Caped Knight]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8255/phantomkillerqa6.jpg
http://replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10

[Kevin Roegele]

Symbols (and stories) gain their power through being repeated.

[Bnightwing]

Hmmm... Everybody out enjoying the holidaze or somethin'? It's been wicked quiet in here. :(

Uhkay, as promised, the Key...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/key.jpg

Row 1: Obscura, Vortex and Insurgence
Row 2: Fever (two scenes)
Row 3: Rosetta (same sequence was later shown again in Calling)
Row 4: Calling, Exodus

The red Kryptonian letters spell out "SM." Not too hard to figure out what they probably wanted folks to think with those initials. ;)

The blue is the Hope symbol, which was created for the show. Notice that it wasn't included in close ups of the key prior to Fever. It's hard to tell in Insurgence because of the thumb, but that's probably on purpose as they might not have had the design completed at that point.

Also of note, a continuity error in Fever. When Martha hides the key in the flour can in the beginning of the ep, the Hope symbol is present on the key, but when the Hazmat team finds it later, the Hope symbol is missing. Oopsz! LOL They must have used one of the older props.

And finally, the yellow letters is what happens when you're out of ideas, and you need *something* to put on your prop. Who knew Kryptonians used a "Barcode?" LMFAO!!!

I have been thinkin to buy a replica of that key idk if I wanna though

[Bnightwing]

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/1943/sv6010613cv8.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2294/sv6010614zu9.jpg

You can buy these things see :D http://www.replicaprops.com/images1/smallville/new/phantomkiller.jpg

[blksuperman2]

Where can you buy those? How much?

[The Caped Knight]

Where can you buy those? How much?

http://replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10

[SpideyVille]

http://replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10

Cool, thanks for the link :up:

I didn't even know they sold these things. I like the Jor-El pendant from 'Relic'.

[blksuperman2]

http://replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10

Thanks. Now if I had just had money my geekness would be complete.:woot:

[CLARKY]

I think the "8" could be a good origin for a bizarro symbol.

[Bnightwing]

I like the backwards S myself

[rubinator]

Ok, so it really isnt the \8/ or the \S/ but it is the shield so I am gonna post it here

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1908/sneeze635hg6.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9526/sneeze634cb5.jpg

[M.O.Steel]

Ok, so it really isnt the \8/ or the \S/ but it is the shield so I am gonna post it here

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1908/sneeze635hg6.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9526/sneeze634cb5.jpg

I remember that...from way back.

I think it counts.

[SpideyVille]

I remember that...from way back.

I think it counts.

Wasn't that from Sneeze? And of course it counts. It's the shape of the shield. Cleverly move around some yellow pieces and Viola!, you've got yourself a properly colored \S/

[The Caped Knight]

I like the backwards S myself

Likewise
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3446/1172883533779un1.gif

[Bug-Eyes]

Cool......

[M.O.Steel]

Likewise
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3446/1172883533779un1.gif
cool, but i prefer if it was slightly distorted. seems too clean cut to me.

[Bnightwing]

I ordered the relic pendant I should be getting it soon :D

[SpideyVille]

I ordered the relic pendant I should be getting it soon :D

Good choice :up:

I think i might get that one soon

[The Caped Knight]

"Bloodline"
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/822/normal808smallville0272bv6.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9489/normal808smallville0444fh8.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2115/normal808smallville0455nb7.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4345/normal808smallville1274jd6.jpg

[Tron5000]

Wow. Talk about raising a thread from the grave.

But on topic, it was great to see the classic \S/ so heavily represented in Bloodline. I've watched every episode, but I don't have them memorized as many people do. In what previous episodes have we seen the full Superman logo?

[Zorex]

I really like SV's version of the shield. Especially when as clean cut as it looks on Kara's bracelet.

[Webhead2006]

we have seen the actually S shield since season 6 i believe before hand it was the 8 symbol.

[The Caped Knight]

Wow. Talk about raising a thread from the grave.

But on topic, it was great to see the classic \S/ so heavily represented in Bloodline. I've watched every episode, but I don't have them memorized as many people do. In what previous episodes have we seen the full Superman logo?

lol,

The House Of EL family crest made it's official debut in the Season 6 Premiere episode "Zod"

List of Appearances

Season 6 - Mainly as a crystal to return Phantom prisoners back to PZ .
1. "Zod" - The Gateway back to earth from the Phantom Zone & crystal
2. "Fallout"
3. "Static"
4. "Phantom"

Season 7 - Mainly as Kara's kryptonian silver bracelet
5. "Bizarro"
6. "Kara" - Kara's crystal of Baby Kal-EL
7. "Fierce"
8. "Cure"
9. "Lara" - Zor-EL's Crystal amnesia device
10. "Blue"
11. "Fracture"
12. "Hero"
13. "Traveler"
14. "Veritas"
15. "Apocalypse"
16. "Arctic"


Season 8
17. "Bloodline" - Kara's gateway portal,Kara's Bracelet & Kara's Medallion

[The Caped Knight]

Season 9
"Savoir"
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3994/000pw1e2.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5126/clarksavior.jpg

[triplet]

Season 9
"Savoir"
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3994/000pw1e2.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5126/clarksavior.jpg


I like how long it is and how well Tom wears it, but I'm not completely wild about the coat.

:(

You know, the wide lapels are a bit much.

[smooth3006]

after seeing the costume design up close i dislike it alot. im not sure about this season at all now. they should just cut the crap and give him a realistic looking first type suit. :csad:


i mean jesus, it looks like he spray panted the S a black t shirt. horrible, cheap design IMO.

[Mikelus]

after seeing the costume design up close i dislike it alot. im not sure about this season at all now. they should just cut the crap and give him a realistic looking first type suit. :csad:


i mean jesus, it looks like he spray panted the S a black t shirt. horrible, cheap design IMO.

The suit is "realistic" enough, so what do you want exactly?

Here's the explanation given by TPTB:

"He isn't a guy who is going to put the tights and the boots on yet," Souders said. "He hasn't gone as far as Green Arrow or Black Canary. He's still on his path to becoming that man. But he is definitely recognizing that there is a second identity for him. As much as he knows what Clark Kent looks like, he needs to figure out what the Superman part looks like. So it might not be the costume everybody is used to seeing, but it is one step closer to that."

The suit represents just one part of Clark's acceptance of his otherworldly origins this year. "Up until now Clark has seen himself as human, and he's seen his Kryptonian identity as something to hide," Peterson said. "This year he's embracing his Kryptonian identity and seeing himself solely as a hero, almost to the detriment of living as a human. It's really the pendulum swinging a little too far in the other direction as he finds his ground and balance between the two identities. He's really going to be pulled back into being Clark Kent by the realization that he loves Lois Lane. It's the crux of the year, his burgeoning love for Lois and the love triangle of Clark loves Lois, but Lois loves Superman."

http://scifiwire.com/2009/07/producers-tease-smallvill.php

[Prison Mike]

that quote by TPTB gives me excitement for season 9!

[Webhead2006]

yea some folks just dont know the whole reason behind the look.

[B]

Thats what I think most of the negitive comments are coming as a result off ^^

People who see it seem to think they are implying its Smallville's official version of the Superman costume.. which it isn't

Its mostly people who don't watch the show &/or Superman Returns fans being overly negitive about it as well moreso than actual fans of the show.

If this was Superman's final suit on the show there would be a reason to be outraged, but its not so its all fuss over nothing

[Prison Mike]

If this was Superman's final suit on the show there would be a reason to be outraged, but its not so its all fuss over nothing

exactly!

also, the main page has the picture titled tom welling as the man of steel...which is misleading since he's not superman yet. so I guess I could see why people would be pissed if they don't read spoilers or know what direction the show is heading.

[Webhead2006]

Totally have a point their guys. Also i was just thinking of this. Compared to the size/shape/place the \8/ on clark's chest end of season 2/start of season 3 and the \S/ he is now wearing for season 9. How does each of their size/placement feel for you guys?

[The Caped Knight]

Thats what I think most of the negitive comments are coming as a result off ^^

People who see it seem to think they are implying its Smallville's official version of the Superman costume.. which it isn't

Its mostly people who don't watch the show &/or Superman Returns fans being overly negitive about it as well moreso than actual fans of the show.

If this was Superman's final suit on the show there would be a reason to be outraged, but its not so its all fuss over nothing

The Suit is in an evolving process just like the superman emblem went through an evolving process in this series . From The Kryptonian \8/ symbol to The House of EL emblem .

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5839/smallvillesanim.gif

[B]

Totally have a point their guys. Also i was just thinking of this. Compared to the size/shape/place the \8/ on clark's chest end of season 2/start of season 3 and the \S/ he is now wearing for season 9. How does each of their size/placement feel for you guys?

Based on the trailer moreso than that shot I think the size of the logo looks alright, placement wise I think it does look a little low. I am 100% certain it only looks low because the neckline is so high due to it being a t-shirt..

I reckon it does need elevated an inch or 2 maybe.. but thats just me being pedantic

The Suit is in an evolving process just like the superman emblem went through an evolving process in this series . From The Kryptonian \8/ symbol to The House of EL emblem .

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5839/smallvillesanim.gif

Thats something I'm not 100% sure on in the Smallville mythos, the logo originally seemed the start out as an \8/ but evolved into an \S/ somewhere along the road..

It the \S/ The Hous of El emblem whereas the \8/ is just the Kryptonian version of the letter S..:huh:

Really I'm not too sure on the subject, I always assumed it was just something they felt they maybe made a mistake on & have gradually edged the \8/ like figure out & moved the \S/ version in.. ?

[Webhead2006]

Yea i forgot myself what they said the 8 was at the earlier seasons, then finally around season 6 they brought in the standard S logo.

[montage]

Yea i forgot myself what they said the 8 was at the earlier seasons, then finally around season 6 they brought in the standard S logo.

the \8/ shield could also be a Kryptonian "J" in the shield of EL (for Jor-el)
just to throw another take on it.

[Kal-El Fan]

the \8/ shield could also be a Kryptonian "J" in the shield of EL (for Jor-el)
just to throw another take on it.
According to the Kryptonian alphabet used in the comics, the \8/ is the Kryptonian glyph for "S".

[The Caped Knight]

the \8/ shield could also be a Kryptonian "J" in the shield of EL (for Jor-el)
just to throw another take on it.

According to the Kryptonian alphabet used in the comics, the \8/ is the Kryptonian glyph for "S".

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5310/kryptonianguidebigblack.gif

[Crook]

Ha, never noticed that. So depending on the orientation and other symbols around it, you can make a C, G, J, and S.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/793/karabrace.jpg
http://www.replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=89

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3189/blackrayacrystal.jpg
http://www.replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=88

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1635/rayacrystalnecklace.jpg
http://www.replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=87

Replica Props.com (http://www.replicaprops.com/cart2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10)

[Webhead2006]

thats cool replica props.

[kal_el_526]

Anyone have a clear image of the Smallville style S i remember there was one a while ago someone made im gonna photoshop it up an have it printed on a black shirt

[Prison Mike]

Kara's bracelet...I think I made that in metal shop class back in 7th grade.

[kal_el_526]

nevermind found it

[montage]

The Smallville \S/ used in season 8 & 9 Sent you a PNG may be of use in a private message

[The Caped Knight]

"Savior"
http://i34.tinypic.com/358739i.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5387/180pxckssavior.gif
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2198/ssavior.gif

[Webhead2006]

cool, got to get some gifs up from metallo when you can of the symbols.

[The Caped Knight]

"Metallo"
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5327/800pxmetallo00033.png

[Bnightwing]

I own the pendant from Relic, and wear it everyday of my life :D
http://i33.tinypic.com/1jly84.jpg

[Webhead2006]

nice

[The Caped Knight]

"Rabid"


http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/333/903smallville0236.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2035/902smallville0162.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6492/903smallville1394.jpg

[Bnightwing]

Is the second one a Cape?

[Webhead2006]

no its just clark's Black S tshirt on a pole.

[kal_el_526]

I wonder if were ever actually gonna see all these events take place

[Webhead2006]

in some fashion we will likely.

[SpideyVille]

Seems like this belongs in here. Not bad for post #500.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/J-Rod_007/Untitled-1.jpg