All Star Batman Thread

[The Batman]

All Star Batman comes out in 12 days. What are your thoughts?

[Comic Book Boy]

I can't wait.:batman::up:

[Comic Book Boy]

I love the Ultimate Marvel and ALL STARs sounds even better....Plus Miller and Lee rock....The only problem so far: Robin's costume.

[Spider-Kurt]

What all do we know about it? Other than being excited about it,I've seen a few of the schetches in Wizard a while back and know that Dick Grayson is the one and only Robin in it but what else?

[Spider-Kurt]

Oh yeah,it's a Frank Miller/Jim Lee colaboration too.

[The Leaguer]

It looks lame, but I'll give it a try. I don't have much hope for Miller. Lee should kick ass as usual, though.

[Riven]

I'm hoping this will be Miller doing some good work again (i.e. not his DKSA "look at me! I can destroy everything that made DKR good!" mode) and Jim Lee is... well, it's Jim Lee. I adore the guy's art. He may not be the greatest artist alive, but he sure as hell rules when it comes to that "Image" style of pencilling.


I'm looking forward to it. :)

[MJZ]

Oh yeah, can't wait to check this out.

[Spider-Kurt]

Who are the top 10 villians that you are looking forward or hoping to seeing in it?

Today's list...

The Joker
Two Face
The Riddler
The Scarecrow
Catwoman
Mr. Freeze
Clayface
Poison Ivy
The Penguin
Hugo Strange

[Carmine Falcone]

I'll see how it turns out.

[Cobblepot]

I'm getting this but is it going to be a mini-series?

[Spider-Kurt]

I believe it's intended as an on going series. DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimate Spider-Man.

[Cobblepot]

Batman really doesn't need another ongoing series.

[Riven]

Batman really doesn't need another ongoing series.
If there are good stories to tell, why not??

[Hush]

Im pysched for this like non-other because i like adding issue #1's to my collection. Also its JIm Lee on Batman again also there is Dick Grayson as Robin something I've waited to return for a while.

[OtepApe]

I am really looking forwad to this, as soon as the team behind it was announced I was pumped. I mean it's Jim Lee and Frank MIller, I can't wait.

[Hunter Rider]

I'll have to wait until the TPB comes out:( hope some of you guys are gonna post some artwork:D

[DarkKnightJRK]

What all do we know about it? Other than being excited about it,I've seen a few of the schetches in Wizard a while back and know that Dick Grayson is the one and only Robin in it but what else?

I believe either Miller or Lee said that it's the third year of Batman's carreer set in Robin's perspective.

[The Batman]

Some Info on the Book:

*Robin will be the main focus of the first arc. It's Year Two.

*The designs are based on the 40's era of Batman comics. Miller and Lee have said they're basing their designs on Dick Sprangs work.

*Vicki Vale's the main love interest in the story

*Wonder Woman and Black Canary are confirmed to appear. Green Arrow and The Question may or may not make an appearance. In the last issue of Wizard, Lee's sketches also included Hal Jordan and Zatanna. All of the guest stars will have their classic look.

*Robin will be about 12-14 years old at the beginning of the story.

*At first, Batman and Robin will have their classic costumes. It's not confirmed, but expect to see Batman wearing his Yellow Oval and Robin sporting a new look.

[Conjob2008]

Where did you get the info?

[The Batman]

Images

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/AS/ASBnR01_CVRAcopy.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/AS/ASBnR01_CVRB.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon_05/BatmanRobinAS.jpg

[The Batman]

Newsarama links

Jim Lee: http://www.newsarama.com/DC/AS/LEE_BR_AStar.htm

Frank Miller tidbit: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27218&highlight=All+Star+Batman

[The Batman]

Where did you get the info?

Comic Shop News, various issues of Wizard Magazine, and Newsarama interviews...

[Motown Marvel]

dude....frank miller....im sold. i cant wait for this. and there damn well better be a GA cameo...that'd be so sweet.

[The Batman]

Batman really doesn't need another ongoing series.

He needs one where he's not bogged down by crappy continuty, annoying sidekicks, and bad writers.

Finally, a Bat title with the ONLY two Bat-family members that matter: Bruce Wayne as Batman and Dick Grayson as Robin. Classic Continuity. And the creative team is Frank Miller and Jim Lee.

[The Batman]

dude....frank miller....im sold. i cant wait for this. and there damn well better be a GA cameo...that'd be so sweet.

Miller has said that Canary will be in it...so GA wont be far behind....

Miller has put an emphasis on how many DC superheroines are appearing...and with Jim Lee drawing em', i dont really mind...

[MJZ]

Lee has said Batman will look younger obviously. Wonder what that's gonna be like...

Actually this is probably the comic I'm looking forward to most in recent years. All-Star Superman I'm psyched for but that's a way's off...

[Orko Is King]

Methinks we're in for a treat with this one. I'm just sad that we won't get a new one every month. :( And why do they only use the pencils in the solicit pics? I think that's really annoying.

[The Bat]

This is the Comic I'm most Excited about! I mean Lee & Millar...there IS a God! And the positive about it being set in the past...Millar won't screw with the Character's, like He did in "The Darknight Strikes Again". Millar & Lee, said They would retell....but wouldn't change History...unlike Marvel's ULTIMATE Line.

[Spider-Kurt]

Amen!

[Ceb-Man]

I am really looking forward to this. The Classic Dynamic Duo Returns!

The Ceb-Man!

[Viller]

I'm just wondering if theirs anyway to buy this series so every issue can be mailed to my place? Ive only recently started to buy DC comics so I have no idea how their subscriptions work. Also is there anyway to do it online with CC?

[Comic Book Boy]

I'm just wondering if theirs anyway to buy this series so every issue can be mailed to my place? Ive only recently started to buy DC comics so I have no idea how their subscriptions work. Also is there anyway to do it online with CC?
I got my subscriptions from dccomics.com.

[GHollywood]

I cant wait for it. I might even buy 6 issues (3 of each cover). The only thing i might not like is how the Jokers Drawin. Did anybody Lee's sketch in the wizard book? It didnt look that cool 2 me.



I got my subscriptions from dccomics.com.
Cool I was thinking of doing that, but do they come in crapy condition?
Like bent or scratched covers?

[The Demon's Head]

What Joker drawing?

[The Batman]

Lee's not using that design.

[The Sage]

I'm looking forward to this run a lot. No extra sidekicks, no bogged down continuity. Back to basics. The original three: Batman, Robin, and Alfred.

[The Batman]

Exactly, Sage.

And dont forget the chick factor: Wonder Woman, Black Canary, Vicki Vale...possibly Catwoman.....

[The Sage]

as well as Julie Madison and Silver St. Cloud (I know she's in Dark Detective but still). I'm interested to seeing how Vicki Vale will be portrayed. I've never seen anything with her outside of B89. Should be great. I'm not the biggest Miller fan around, not a fan of DKR but I liked Year One, when he wrote Batman as the hero as he should be. I'm sure he'll do the same here.

Anyone know if this series is just Miller and Lee's run, or will there be others who will jump on?

[The Bat]

Lee's not using that design.




Good!! Jim is My favorite Artist...but I really hated His version of the Joker in the "HUSH" storyline...He looked a Character from those old Claymation show's!

I prefer the Neal Adams style JOKER....more traditional.:joker:

[The Batman]

as well as Julie Madison and Silver St. Cloud (I know she's in Dark Detective but still). I'm interested to seeing how Vicki Vale will be portrayed. I've never seen anything with her outside of B89. Should be great. I'm not the biggest Miller fan around, not a fan of DKR but I liked Year One, when he wrote Batman as the hero as he should be. I'm sure he'll do the same here.

Anyone know if this series is just Miller and Lee's run, or will there be others who will jump on?

It's ongoing. Other teams will do arcs, probably....

I doubt we'll see Silver in miller's arc, but madison possibly, since he's basing this on old school batman.

[The Sage]

It's ongoing. Other teams will do arcs, probably....

I doubt we'll see Silver in miller's arc, but madison possibly, since he's basing this on old school batman.

Great.

Amazing how the old school material is influencing modern day stories. Miller's using old school stories and designs for his run, Nolan & Goyer using O'Neil's material for BB (first half of the movie was basically Dennis O'Neil's The Man Who Falls). They need to keep doing more of that. :up:

[The Batman]

I agree. I dont know for sure, but miller's story seems like it'll take place over a few years....

[David Ford, RPD]

I'm looking forward to this run a lot. No extra sidekicks, no bogged down continuity. Back to basics. The original three: Batman, Robin, and Alfred.

Agreed. I love how Winick's doing the same thing in BATMAN. It's the only Bays comic I pick up right now. Back to basics is the way to go.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, my question is this..........is ALL STAR all pre-crisis?

Or is ALL STAR still in this continuity...........only more like "Untold stories"?

[The Leaguer]

All-Star is totally separate from the regular continuity. Basically, it's whatever Miller and Morrison want to make of it. Like Ultimate Marvel, except for DC.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hmmmm............interesting, I got this from Buzzscope.com:



At Sunday’s “Year of the Bat” panel, when a fan asked the hypothetical, “Who would take Batman’s place if he were to drop dead tomorrow?”, a smirking DiDio replied, “We’ll see that dealt with in Infinite Crisis.” In other Batman news, he assured fans that Gotham Central was a key part of DC and one of their favorite books, saying, “It’s going to be with us for a while;” said that Frank Miller considers his upcoming All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder as his “unofficial Year Two,” and that it would focus specifically on his relationship with Dick Grayson/Robin; and mentioned that Bart Sears, recently signed to a 2-year exclusive contract, would be doing a double-sized story for Legends of the Dark Knight’s 200th issue.

[Comic Book Boy]

I cant wait for it. I might even buy 6 issues (3 of each cover). The only thing i might not like is how the Jokers Drawin. Did anybody Lee's sketch in the wizard book? It didnt look that cool 2 me.




Cool I was thinking of doing that, but do they come in crapy condition?
Like bent or scratched covers?
Nope. They come in mint condition:) I once got mine with a cover ripped though...(just once)...

[Comic Book Boy]

Hmmmm............interesting, I got this from Buzzscope.com:
Cool! Miller's Year Two....

[Comic Book Boy]

It's weird though because didn't Miller say he hates Robin? Why would he make him the center character? I guess this will be unlike any previous Miller work...(not as dark)...But it should be great because he is an excellent story-teller.:batman::up:

[The Demon's Head]

It's weird though because didn't Miller say he hates Robin? Why would he make him the center character? I guess this will be unlike any previous Miller work...(not as dark)...But it should be great because he is an excellent story-teller.:batman::up: Miller said once
That as a young fan, he used to hate Robin. but he later came to appreciate him more as seen in DKR.

[Viller]

Nope. They come in mint condition:) I once got mine with a cover ripped though...(just once)...

is All Star available for subscription though? I cant seem to find where to order it on the website...

[Comic Book Boy]

is All Star available for subscription though? I cant seem to find where to order it on the website...
Not from the site yet (sorry I forgot) you have to call DC.

[jm2005i]

For anyone who lives in the UK, I believe All Star is available for subscription at Forbidden Planet:

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/All_Star_Batman_And_Robin__The_Boy_Wonder__1.html

I am really looking forward to the All Star series, especially considering the rumour that they may retire Bruce Wayne in the current continuity. I am a huge fan of all Miller's work (except DKSA, but I forgive him) so i can't wait to see him take Batman back to his roots!

[The Batman!]

Some Info on the Book:

*Robin will be the main focus of the first arc. It's Year Two...

I was so hoping that this would be a Batman title, not a Robin title. I enjoy his character, I really do, but not as much as Batman. This is so disappointing...

:batman:

[MJZ]

I was so hoping that this would be a Batman title, not a Robin title. I enjoy his character, I really do, but not as much as Batman. This is so disappointing...

:batman:


I'm no fan of Robin either but with Miller writing it's sure to be good. I've been very encouraged by Miller's comments concerning how it'll show Batman as seen through the eyes of a young Grayson, and this is when he's really starting to come into power. If anything, that'll make Batman all the more exciting and better.

[The Batman]

Who said this was a Robin title?

Batman's still one of the focal points.

[jaydawg]

Miller alone is gonna make me pass. I love Dick Grayson's character and what Miller did to him in DKSA is unforgivable. I love Lee's art, but no way am I gonna watch its beauty ruin Dick again.

[The Batman]

Thats understandable.

[Comic Book Boy]

Miller said once
That as a young fan, he used to hate Robin. but he later came to appreciate him more as seen in DKR.

Ah, my mistake.

[Comic Book Boy]

Who said this was a Robin title?

Batman's still one of the focal points.
Correct. Robin is just bigger in the FIRST arc.

[Comic Book Boy]

Miller alone is gonna make me pass. I love Dick Grayson's character and what Miller did to him in DKSA is unforgivable. I love Lee's art, but no way am I gonna watch its beauty ruin Dick again.
Meh....at least it was unique :p Miller's good FAR outweighs his bad. (DKSA)

[The Leaguer]

As far as I'm concerned, Miller's good is limited exclusively to Year One.

[Whack Arnolds]

Miller alone is gonna make me pass. I love Dick Grayson's character and what Miller did to him in DKSA is unforgivable. I love Lee's art, but no way am I gonna watch its beauty ruin Dick again.I see you have a real love for Dick, heh?

[EricM]

This isn't being listed as shipping on July 13 on Diamond's Shipping list. Has this been delayed?

[The Batman!]

Who said this was a Robin title?

Batman's still one of the focal points.

No one said that it was a Robin title, but you did point out that Robin is the focal point for the first arc, and MJZ reports that this will be shown through Robin's eyes.

To me, that makes it sound like a Robin book...

:batman:

[Guyper1]

OMG! It looks great. Will definitely buy it

[OtepApe]

I don't see this as a Robin book at all, the first arc is about him but I still see Batman as a huge focal point in this title.

[The Batman!]

I hope you're right, OtepApe...

:batman:

[Zilleraut #66]

As far as I'm concerned, Miller's good is limited exclusively to Year One.I'm with you. While I love Sin City, his Daredevil work and Year One, I just can't stand DKR and DKSA. To me those stories just aren't Batman and any writer can force a character to fit his or her world. Ron Marz could write a cool Batman in space arc but I wouldn't buy into that either. As for this title, I'll read the first arc because Miller is a master story-teller but if the characters aren't in character I'll drop it.

[-rc2k-]

This isn't being listed as shipping on July 13 on Diamond's Shipping list. Has this been delayed?

Oh man I hope it's not delayed...I was hoping to pick it up on the 13th and maybe get it signed by Lee at San Diego Comic Con :(.

[Rynan]

I hope we get a decent, well written Joker this time around.

And let's hope that Alfred doesn't show Vicky the cool cave under Wayne Manor.

[-rc2k-]

Here are some sketches I found at Art of Jim Lee...

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/6109/blackcanary6em.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/7347/jlallstartbatmanrobinpg5au.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5580/jlallstarbatmanrobin1ex.jpg

[Clarker]

Is it goint to be set in the 1940's or in present day?

[Hush]

The new wizard with alba on the cover has an article on the book and its shaping up quite nicely. They actually did there review thing of it in the comic section where they tell you about the new releases for the month.

[-rc2k-]

So HUSH what did the review say? Was there anything interesting?

[Hush]

Ill have to find that issue its at my dads house so give me 5 hours because that when my dad picks me up and ill have the review to you then.

[BK]

What page is it on? I could get you the scans right now and save you guys the time.

[Orko Is King]

I just want my 4-5 page preview already! I need to see some finished interiors, I tell you!!! :batman: :mad:

[Comic Book Boy]

Here are some sketches I found at Art of Jim Lee...

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/6109/blackcanary6em.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/7347/jlallstartbatmanrobinpg5au.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5580/jlallstarbatmanrobin1ex.jpg
Awesome!

[Comic Book Boy]

Hey, I hate to be the "newb" but what day does this come out?

[The Demon's Head]

Hey, I hate to be the "newb" but what day does this come out? July 13.

[The Demon's Head]

Here are some sketches I found at Art of Jim Lee...

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/6109/blackcanary6em.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/7347/jlallstartbatmanrobinpg5au.jpg

http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5580/jlallstarbatmanrobin1ex.jpg
Holy ****!

[The Sage]

Interview with Miller.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/MillerBatmanRobin.html

Proves why Robin is essential:

NRAMA: That said, your Batman that you’ve shown in previous stories is, if anything, eminently practical, to the point of being methodical and emotionless in his ways. Why in the world would he bring a child into this world of his?

FM: I felt that somebody finally had to explain that, and I worked hard on it.

NRAMA: But still, it does seem to go against his view of protecting innocents, as well as innocence…

FM: No, it makes perfect sense when you think about it. He explains it to Alfred in the story, saying, “I’m a young man, but I won’t always be young, and the mission has to continue.” Robin is his apprentice. He’s training his replacement. That’s the life he intends for Robin.

[The Demon's Head]

I love Miller's take on the Joker.

FM: [laughs] Actually, I find the most terrifying character circling around Batman remains the Joker, and I can’t keep may hands off of him. As I see it, there shouldn’t be anything funny about him. His name should be irony.

NRAMA: What is it with the Joker and you? Is it similar to your attraction to Batman in that you can always find a new facet to him?

FM: The thing is, the Joker is a sociopath and psychopath, but I would rather play up his evilness rather than his craziness. The Joker that I’ve always tried to portray, and now I get a chance to do it when he’s young – he’s satanic. He’s not laughing all the time.

[LivingInClip]

Is this goin' to be a monthly issue? Or just a small arc?

[The Leaguer]

Bi-monthly.

[DarkKnightJRK]

At first, I was slightly optimistic about this, but afte reading that interview, I'm completely and utterly stoked. This is probably going to be one of the best Batman & Robin stories in years.

[-rc2k-]

Yup at it's going to be more than 6 book run. That makes me happy :D

NRAMA: Speaking to that, as you and Jim are looking at it, this is still pretty much open-ended?

FM: The last we talked, I told him that we were sailing past the originally projected six issues, and no one seems to mind. He’s on, I’m on, and we’re going to take this as long as we can. This is back like when we were doing Born Again in Daredevil – we had no idea how many issues it was going to be. It was originally supposed to be four, and then ended up being more than 200 pages long.

One thing you can always count on me for is that I always underestimate the number of pages that I’m going to eat up with my stories.

[Spider-Kurt]

I guess we'll find out in this new series but for now,how do you think Gotham's underworld would react seeing the Dark Knight urban legend called Batman being seen with a child in a rather flashy uniform? Wouldn't that take some of the fear factor away from Batman?

[owen_2006_294]

i'll look for the book. because i think it'll be different then the normal comics.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

http://groups.msn.com/artofjimlee/allstarbatman.msnw?Page=2

Great preview pics of the comic...........the preview of PAGE 17 looks like a very very very gritty take at Gotham City.......I mean, it looks like a very corrupt town by what that cop does.

[Orko Is King]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_08.jpgPage 8

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_09.jpgPage 9

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_17.jpgAnd page 17

Is anyone wondering if Batman will actually make an appearance in the 1st issue???

[The Demon's Head]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_08.jpgPage 8

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_09.jpgPage 9

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batman/AllStar/ASBR1_17.jpgAnd page 17

Is anyone wondering if Batman will actually make an appearance in the 1st issue??? I hope both Batman and the Joker appear in the first issue,
Considering it's Miller's Year Two.

[MJZ]

Well considering how they said the issue ends...it's a given Batman will appear.

[GHollywood]

I know Batman will show but I really hope Joker will.

[The Demon's Head]

I know Batman will show but I really hope Joker will. Well Miller said he can never keep his hands off the Joker...

[-rc2k-]

Batman has to come out in the first issue...more than likely it'll be at end of this issue. There's no doubt Miller will use Joker, I believe Lee said in one of the interviews that he was going to take a different kind of look for Joker. Hope this comes out next Wednesday in time for Comic-Con.

[The Demon's Head]

Batman has to come out in the first issue...more than likely it'll be at end of this issue. There's no doubt Miller will use Joker, I believe Lee said in one of the interviews that he was going to take a different kind of look for Joker. Hope this comes out next Wednesday in time for Comic-Con. I belive it was The Batman that said Lee changed his design for the Joker.

[-rc2k-]

Oh I'm sure he must of gotten it from one of the interviews. I believe it was in Wizard magazine.

[The Leaguer]

I hope to God the dialogue gets better than in that preview.

[The Demon's Head]

I hope to God the dialogue gets better than in that preview. What was wrong with the dialogue in the preview?

[The Leaguer]

Same thing that is wrong with all of Miller's other dialogue: it just grates on my nerves.

[The Demon's Head]

Same thing that is wrong with all of Miller's other dialogue: it just grates on my nerves. Oh.

[lujho]

Yay! Can't wait for this. Hopefully it'll change some people's ideas about Robin.

I think this series and Brubaker's The Man Who Laughs (along with stuff from Long Haloween and Dark Victory... and parts of Miller's Year One) are/will be great blueprints to use to introduce certain characters (Joker, Two-Face, Robin, Catwoman) into the Nolan film-verse in a good, logical way.

I certainly like the twist that Batman had his eye on Dick for an apprentice before his parents actually died. Simply because Dick is an incredibly talented physical prodigy with the poential to be as good as Batman. It's only the fact that he's orphaned that pushed the timetable forward by 6 years or so. Great idea.

[The Batman!]

I agree, that is an interesting take on Bruce's relationship with Dick. One that has never been explored before, if I'm not mistaken.

:batman:

[Amazing Grant]

I don't like that Batman wanted Dick Grayson as an apprentice before his parents died. Because then, when Dick's parents do die, wouldn't Batman almost feel glad that this opportunity presented itself? It seems very manipulative, I think.

I do hope that Miller plays up that Bruce and Dick have a father-son relationship. Although Bruce isn't a perfect father and is definitely bumbling through the process, he does truly love Grayson (he'd never say it aloud, of course). Bruce not only reveals his true self to Dick, but he also imprints it on Dick, as well, and tries to teach him everything he can - what every father does for their son. So, I hope Miller uses that to his full advantage in All Star, and based on the interview, I think he will.

[Till_the_End]

I really hope this fits into the continuity. I would just hate it, if it didn't. No matter how great a story it would be.

But if it does fit in without making any radical changes, I think this could be fantastic.
No matter how much I love Nightwing, it could really be cool to see them again.........as it was meant to be.

[The Leaguer]

It's totally separate from continuity.

[Batman_DKR]

No it isnt out of continuity, it just doesnt follow continuity, I though, kind of liek when they printed Year One in the main Bat book, as far as I am aware.

[The Leaguer]

Yes, it IS out of continuity. As in, nothing that happens in it will ever have any effect on regular DC continuity. If that's not out of continuity, they must have changed the definition.

[GothamsGuardian]

No it isnt out of continuity, it just doesnt follow continuity, I though, kind of liek when they printed Year One in the main Bat book, as far as I am aware.

I thought this as well, if it is completely out of continuity though, no big deal. This will be better then the "official" Year Two anyway.

[diabolik]

Its Miller Continuity.

This story follows Millers Batman. Miller's said its basically his year two.

Year One
All Star Batman and Robin
..and Millers end to Batman TDKR & TDKSB

As for Miller's dialouge, um...at what point did you not realize thats how he writes....if you dont like it, dont want something different. Its classic Miller.

Really looking foward to this series.

[The Leaguer]

As for Miller's dialouge, um...at what point did you not realize thats how he writes....if you dont like it, dont want something different. Its classic Miller.

You know, you're right, maybe I shouldn't have said "Gee, I wonder why Miller is writing like this, because it's so unlike everything else he's ever written, ever."

Oh wait, I didn't.

And "if you don't like it, don't want something different" doesn't make any sense.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I've liked his stories...........somewhat.

It was his art I had REAL problems with.

I like how corrupt Gotham seems to be.......that cop open smacked Viki like nothing.

[-rc2k-]

Well it's not delayed, just in time for comic-con :D

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[EricM]

This title has been added to Diamond's shipping list.

We'll be seeing this baby on JULY 13!!!!!!

[The Riddler]

the art looks top notch.

not a big fan of miller, though.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, I totally understand that.

Personally, I'm more of a Jeph Loeb Batman guy................but I love Jim Lee's art......and the just the thought of him drawing a young Bruce Wayne, a Young Batman......hell, a YOUNG everything........Gordon, Alfred.........it shold be awesome.

I did like how corrupt Gotham looked in that one page........that cop slapped her like nothing.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................


http://www.legionsofgotham.org/COMICSallstarsSKETCHES.jpg

[The Sage]

Fantastic. I'm guessing the costume will evolve into those. Robin costume is cool.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, what I've heard is that they use those costumes for a certain issue.....or a certain story arc. They're not permanent or anything.

[Batman]

Ive been pumped for this ever since it was announced.....:batman:

Just the fact that Jim Lee is returning to Batman is enough to get me excited.........not to mention Miller's return to a younger Batman.

DK2 sucked,but Year One and DKR were astounding,IMO,so hopefully this'll be as good.......or,at least,somewhat of that quality.(If anything,Lee's art will be great.)

I usually dont go to my comic shop until,probably,friday.........but Im going Wednesday,so I can pick up all three covers before they're(possibly)sold out.

I dont mind the costumes........In fact,I love Batmans look from the cover.Lees Black and gray Batman looks a little better than his blue and gray,in my opinion.


So....yeah.....Im picking this up for sure.:up:

[Hush]

In Entertainment Weekly (July 15th issue) they did a section called: 5 Reasons We Love...'All-Star Batman and Robin'. They say there is a line of Dialouge were Batman grabs Robin by the collar and growls "You've been just been drafted. Into a war." they basically say that the book is amazing.
Dont know about you guys but its sounds cool to me that one line got me excited 1 more day left.

[The Batman!]

I'm pretty psyched about this, too, and am looking forward to picking it up, as long as the first arc doesn't continue to focus on Robin too much!

:batman:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, it probably will..........I mean, we all know that the first issue is actually Dick's origin story.

I still can't wait to see what they'll do with this..........i mean, can you imagine how pretty Miller's gritty, edgy stories will be? That scene where the cop smacks Viki seems to be a sign of how bad Gotham will be.........making sense since it's in his early years.

I'm really psyched for this one.

[Hush]

Yeah and by the way the cover for issue 2 is up at Dc's site its by monthly i guess. and judging by the cover i assume that this first arc will focus on Robin quite a bit.

Here's the link: http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4110

[Spider-Carnage]

That's not the actual cover. At least I hope its not, since it's the first page from issue one.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just picked it up. They really don't show Batman till the end of the story on the last page. Other then that hearing things from Dick's POV is kind of all right.

[Brucewayne777]

Just read issue one. I don't want to say I was dissapointed. Yet.
Just wasn't expecting this particular take on the character.

[Batman]

So....basically.....it was alright,but nothing special?

Im asking cause Im not going to be able to get it till tommorow.....:o

[Pksoze]

This issue makes me wish Loeb was writing All Star Batman.

On the plus side an Atlas Shrugged reference is always welcome.

[Sarge]

Bah, I liked it. Classic Miller.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, remember......it's only issue #1..........

[Motown Marvel]

good issue.

i know a lot of people are gonna be hating on bats' actions saying he was scouting dick ("i have an eye for talent") and he seems to be forcing him into robin ("you've just been drafted into a war")....but i dont think thats the case.

"i have an eye for talent"- i think he's just impressed by ***** talent. i mean, bruce knows what it takes to do what dick is doing, and he's just impressed that he's able to do it so well at such a young age.

"you've just been drafted into a war"- i dont think right now batman is thinking sidekick. i think he's pretty much just telling dick: you're parents have been killed...and that sucks. they were killed via gothams corruption, and its not over. more is coming. you're stuck in the middle of this. this is a war. and if you want to survive this, you're gonna have to fight (and i dont mean fight as in a physical fighting sidekick...though thats what it will develop into. but thats not bats' intentions). dick needs to be prepared for this war thats going to be going on around him and inside of him.

[Sarge]

I love how Lee drew Batman as he was in DKR, and I also love how Lee drew Vicki Vale :eek:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

yeah.....Viki looks pretty hot.....

[super-spyke]

yeah.....Viki looks pretty hot.....

And that is why we should all praise Jim Lee.

[The Batman]

Ehhh...It was alright for your standard first issue where nothing happens. since this book is bimonthly, i hope it picks up fast.

Lee drew an excellent Vikki. she was too spunky for my tastes though.

One thing i didnt like was having the graysons shot, and by some no name punk, too. The Ropes breaking to me, is more shocking because you see them falling to their deaths. Maybe we'll find out Zucco was behind it still, but i dunno.

all in all, decent, but i'm pissed we'll have to wait till december to see what happens next.

[Henry Hill]

Ehhh...It was alright for your standard first issue where nothing happens. since this book is bimonthly, i hope it picks up fast.

Lee drew an excellent Vikki. she was too spunky for my tastes though.

One thing i didnt like was having the graysons shot, and by some no name punk, too. The Ropes breaking to me, is more shocking because you see them falling to their deaths. Maybe we'll find out Zucco was behind it still, but i dunno.

all in all, decent, but i'm pissed we'll have to wait till december to see what happens next.

September actually.

[Whack Arnolds]

This was overrated like all things Jim Lee and Frank Miller.

[Rizpower]

good issue.

i know a lot of people are gonna be hating on bats' actions saying he was scouting dick ("i have an eye for talent") and he seems to be forcing him into robin ("you've just been drafted into a war")....but i dont think thats the case.

"i have an eye for talent"- i think he's just impressed by ***** talent. i mean, bruce knows what it takes to do what dick is doing, and he's just impressed that he's able to do it so well at such a young age.

"you've just been drafted into a war"- i dont think right now batman is thinking sidekick. i think he's pretty much just telling dick: you're parents have been killed...and that sucks. they were killed via gothams corruption, and its not over. more is coming. you're stuck in the middle of this. this is a war. and if you want to survive this, you're gonna have to fight (and i dont mean fight as in a physical fighting sidekick...though thats what it will develop into. but thats not bats' intentions). dick needs to be prepared for this war thats going to be going on around him and inside of him.
The way I saw it, Bats didn't honestly think he was going to become his sidekick, but he knew there was no other option but to bring him into his world. His parents were dead, and someone big wanted him out of the picture. The real world was no longer an option, he'd have to be part of Batman's. Less that his parents were killed, that's a startling similarity, but the situation is one where very important people want him dead, and there's nothing he can do but protect Dick himself.

[hippie_hunter]

This book sucked :mad:

I hate Frank Miller's writing, the Grayson's parents deaths sucked ass, the begining was completely pointless, the end was stupid, Vicky driving the car was dumb. I knew it would suck and I was right :mad: Classic Batman my ass :mad:

Why did Lee have to waste his talent on this piece of crap instead of doing his awesome artwork on JLA or Infinite Crisis :mad:

[Whack Arnolds]

This book sucked :mad:

I hate Frank Miller's writing, the Grayson's parents deaths sucked ass, the begining was completely pointless, the end was stupid, Vicky driving the car was dumb. I knew it would suck and I was right :mad: Classic Batman my ass :mad:

Why did Lee have to waste his talent on this piece of crap instead of doing his awesome artwork on JLA or Infinite Crisis :mad: Completely agreed. It should have been called All Stars Robin and Vicki Vale.

[hippie_hunter]

All-Star Batman (which was claimed to be Batman in his classic form) felt more like Ultimate Batman

[MJZ]

Ah, the Confederacy of Dunces hath spoken!!!11eleven

[Sarge]

Ah, the Confederacy of Dunces hath spoken!!!11eleven
I assume you didnt like the issue either?

[hippie_hunter]

Ah, the Confederacy of Dunces hath spoken!!!11eleven

Are you talking about my comments on how I hate Ultimate Batman and Robin :mad:

[The Sage]

Lee's art was fantastic. Pretty good for an intro, though quite a bit of what was in it could've been cut and given room for something else. Though, can't disagree with Lee's talents.

The last two pages were pure hotness. :up:

[The Batman]

The Art was really, really good.

I just hope the story picks up.

[The Sage]

Indeed.

That Batmobile was awesome, as well as the All-Star Batman. Love that costume and the perfect color scheme.

[Wise]

I for one very much liked it. My only grievence is that I have to wait another 2 months to read the next issue.

The writing was pure Miller and his pulp realism style of writing thoughts couped with the best artist Batman has ever had imo.

I have no dount that the reason for the Grayson's deaths will be dealt with. I also liked the way you only saw the cape in the panels leading up to the last. Also the sonic emmitters were pure Year One.

Overall I'm impressed. It's the Batman we all know and love but in a different and darker Gotham. The Miller Gotham. It had some truly disturbing moments like the deaths of the Graysons via a bullets to the brains or Vicki Vale implying that the cops were going to rape Dick and then the subsequent brutality towards her by the cop.

I can't wait to see how this new continuity plays out.

[The Leaguer]

My first thought after finishing the issue was how totally wasted Lee's art was on this crappy issue.

I hope to God the people who were screaming "OMFG It's not Ultimate DC!!!" feel REALLY stupid right now. This WAS ULTIMATE DC! The dialogue SUCKED, Vicki Vale is a complete and total whore and is the easiest woman to hate since Jade and I haven't hated a Batman characterization as much as I hate this one since... well, DKR.

They should have just gone ahead and slapped an "Ultimate" on the cover so they could save a lot of readers a lot of grief.

[The Demon's Head]

My first thought after finishing the issue was how totally wasted Lee's art was on this crappy issue.

I hope to God the people who were screaming "OMFG It's not Ultimate DC!!!" feel REALLY stupid right now. This WAS ULTIMATE DC! The dialogue SUCKED, Vicki Vale is a complete and total whore and is the easiest woman to hate since Jade and I haven't hated a Batman characterization as much as I hate this one since... well, DKR.

They should have just gone ahead and slapped an "Ultimate" on the cover so they could save a lot of readers a lot of grief. In YOUR opinion.

[The Leaguer]

No, REALLY!? You mean I was stating my OPINION? I thought it was someone elses!

[The Demon's Head]

No, REALLY!? You mean I was stating my OPINION? I thought it was someone elses! What meant was that you can't state your opinions as facts. If you hate Frank Miller's work, don't buy the book.

[The Leaguer]

As far as I'm concerned, it IS fact. And if anyone DIDN'T know I was posting my opinion, they don't deserve to think for themselves. And thanks for the advice, I wasn't aware of the "stop buying the book" option.

[Zilleraut #66]

My first thought after finishing the issue was how totally wasted Lee's art was on this crappy issue.

I hope to God the people who were screaming "OMFG It's not Ultimate DC!!!" feel REALLY stupid right now. This WAS ULTIMATE DC! The dialogue SUCKED, Vicki Vale is a complete and total whore and is the easiest woman to hate since Jade and I haven't hated a Batman characterization as much as I hate this one since... well, DKR.

They should have just gone ahead and slapped an "Ultimate" on the cover so they could save a lot of readers a lot of grief.I'm quoting you just so I don't have to type it all out again. I'll buy the next few issuses but from the look of things not much more after that.

[Sarge]

Looks like Sage, Marv and I can start our own little "non haters club".:o

[Sarge]

My first thought after finishing the issue was how totally wasted Lee's art was on this crappy issue.

I hope to God the people who were screaming "OMFG It's not Ultimate DC!!!" feel REALLY stupid right now. This WAS ULTIMATE DC! The dialogue SUCKED, Vicki Vale is a complete and total whore and is the easiest woman to hate since Jade and I haven't hated a Batman characterization as much as I hate this one since... well, DKR.

They should have just gone ahead and slapped an "Ultimate" on the cover so they could save a lot of readers a lot of grief.
If you hate Miller, and you knew you would hate it, why did you pick up the book? To ***** about it? :confused:

[The Sage]

The All-Star Bruce Wayne design reminds me of Adam West for some reason.

I think the first issue served its purpose, as it setup the elements for the rest of the arc. Usually the first issue of an arc is always for me the okay-ish one since it's the introduction. Now that that's out of the way, it should get really good.

[Elway]

I thought it was a good issue, only one thing disturbs me, I love Jim Lee's art work, but somehow it doesn't fit with Miller's writing, it just gave me an unnatural feeling, in my head when I read the words I want to picture Dave M's BM from year one or Matt Wagner's, Don't get me wrong Jim Lee's Batman is awesome, I don't know, I am probably the only person that thinks this way.

[hippie_hunter]

My first thought after finishing the issue was how totally wasted Lee's art was on this crappy issue.

I hope to God the people who were screaming "OMFG It's not Ultimate DC!!!" feel REALLY stupid right now. This WAS ULTIMATE DC! The dialogue SUCKED, Vicki Vale is a complete and total whore and is the easiest woman to hate since Jade and I haven't hated a Batman characterization as much as I hate this one since... well, DKR.

They should have just gone ahead and slapped an "Ultimate" on the cover so they could save a lot of readers a lot of grief.

I was right all along :D

[The Sage]

I was right all along :D

Not really. All-Star was advertised not to be a series where artists and writers could collaborate and write their own stories without conforming to continuity. I wonder if there will even be a continuity in this series. Writers will probably tell the stories they want to tell.

[The Batman]

You know, now that i think about it, i dont like the "You've just been drafted" line.

The kids parents just DIED. Not to mention he was about to get either beaten, raped, or killed. Plus the line makes him sound like the old geezer DKR Batman, which he isnt supposed to be at this age.

Part of me still wishes Jeph loeb would've written this

[The Sage]

Part of me hopes Dennis O'Neil writes another story. :D

The line did seemed very DKR-ish, though I think I'll wait and see how the story's handled before passing judgment on Batman's characterisation. I'm hoping he'll write him like he did in Year One, though I wouldn't mind some DKR-ish touches.

http://img313.echo.cx/img313/8128/batmobileallstar9rq.th.jpg (http://img313.echo.cx/my.php?image=batmobileallstar9rq.jpg)
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That Batman shot makes the capsule utility belt look great. Best I've ever seen iit.

[Rizpower]

You wish Jeph Loeb writes everything. See my past post, which was burried by a bunch of haters.

There is no other option for Dick right now. His parents are dead and his life before the gunshots is therefore gone. The police are out to get him, so he can't go ANYWHERE inside the law. Batman is the only person outside of witness protection with the resources necessary to protect Dick, period. He doesn't mean he's now going to be his sidekick, he means that the world has mandated that Dick Grayson is now part of something different, part of the world Batman lives in, the world of crime.

[The Batman]

No, where have i said that I want Jeph Loeb to write everything, other than All Star Batman?

And Frank Miller said that his Bruce had always planned for Dick to be his sidekick, its just that with dick's parents dying it forced his hand.

[hippie_hunter]

Not really. All-Star was advertised not to be a series where artists and writers could collaborate and write their own stories without conforming to continuity. I wonder if there will even be a continuity in this series. Writers will probably tell the stories they want to tell.

DC promised that this would give us classic Batman, not the paranoid dick that we've been getting for years. This was Ultimate Batman, and he's still a cold dick.

[Paradoxium]

What? You want some effeminite Batman? :D

[DrMylesOBoogie]

What I love most about Miller's Batman is his sense of urgency. It makes him exciting. This book certainly has that.

I HATED what happened to the Grayson's in this story. I went a pulled out my copy of "Dark Victory" to compare how the Grayson's murder is handled in both versions and really there is no comparison. "Dark Victory" is so much better.

Bruce's actions to take in Dick Grayson seem less compassionate when you find out he has been scouting him for awhile. While the idea of Batman thinking about training an apprentice is one that I like I think it was handled badly here. It's a shame really because although it's only the first issue it's a major part of the story that I'm unhappy with.

[The Sage]

DC promised that this would give us classic Batman, not the paranoid dick that we've been getting for years. This was Ultimate Batman, and he's still a cold dick.

And you figured this out by only two lines of dialogue? :confused:

[MJZ]

Frankly I've had my fill of Loeb for awhile now. Hush was a dud and I don't think he's as good when he's not with Sale.

For my money Miller's the best Batman writer ever and I welcome his return to the book with open arms. Yeah he's not for everyone, go get a kleenex.

[hippie_hunter]

And you figured this out by only two lines of dialogue? :confused:

The costume, his attitude, the changes in Robin's origns felt very Ultimatish

[The Sage]

The costume, his attitude, the changes in Robin's origns felt very Ultimatish

Well Miller did say this was his Year Two.
What was wrong with the costume? That's the best of Lee's I've seen.

[Sarge]

Frankly I've had my fill of Loeb for awhile now. Hush was a dud and I don't think he's as good when he's not with Sale.

For my money Miller's the best Batman writer ever and I welcome his return to the book with open arms. Yeah he's not for everyone, go get a kleenex.
I love you.

[Sarge]

The costume, his attitude, the changes in Robin's origns felt very Ultimatish
Its very Millerish, actually.

[The Leaguer]

If you hate Miller, and you knew you would hate it, why did you pick up the book? To ***** about it? :confused:
On the off-chance this might be good. Why did you quote me? To b**** about it? :confused:

And you figured this out by only two lines of dialogue? :confused:
1) Those two lines of dialogue were plenty.
2) He had a lot of internal monologue.

Its very Millerish, actually.
Yes, because they could never be both "Ultimate-ish" AND "Miller-ish."

[MJZ]

I love you.

:up:

Miller's the greatest. I'll take him and Azzarello over any of these writers any day of the week.

Over on Millarworld some are actually bemoaning the Vale "cheesecake" shots. Good grief. That's part of the fun!

[The Sage]

1) Those two lines of dialogue were plenty.
2) He had a lot of internal monologue.


What was wrong with the internal monologue?

[Zilleraut #66]

Frankly I've had my fill of Loeb for awhile now. Hush was a dud and I don't think he's as good when he's not with Sale.

For my money Miller's the best Batman writer ever and I welcome his return to the book with open arms. Yeah he's not for everyone, go get a kleenex.Yep everyone including Batman.

[Paradoxium]

Azzarello should have stayed on Batman instead of going to Superman. Miller hasn't written anything Batman in a long while, it's good to have something different as a change of pace if you ask me. We still haven't seen how Miller fully treats the Bruce/Batman dynamic with Alfred and Dick.

[The Leaguer]

What was wrong with the internal monologue?
It sucked? It's not "classic" in any sense of the word, unless you count DKR?

Yep everyone including Batman.
Zing!

[MJZ]

Yep everyone including Batman.

I take it you're another continuity freak.

Oh mommy that nasty man changed a few things. :( :(

[The Sage]

It sucked? It's not "classic" in any sense of the word, unless you count DKR?


Really? It reminded me of Year One. And what do you consider classic inner monologue?

[Paradoxium]

Why is everyone so surprised how Bats is treating Robin in this comic? Miller outlined months ago Bats is a "stern teacher".

It definitely is within his personality profile. Bruce has been training most of his life so he is disciplined as hell and most of the training molded him into a rather private/introverted person. Add on the fact this is Year Two unofficially, he probably has seen/experience things that made him more cynical than Year One. It shouldn't be so shocking he is so utilitarian from his conversation with Dick. Give it a chance before shooting it down, you still haven't seen the complete portrait Miller is trying to paint of Bruce - some other traits will start showing. This is All-Star remember, it is not in-continuity - we don't have the full story just yet.

[Sarge]

:up:

Miller's the greatest. I'll take him and Azzarello over any of these writers any day of the week.

Over on Millarworld some are actually bemoaning the Vale "cheesecake" shots. Good grief. That's part of the fun!
Miller is better than anyone writing current continuity. :(

[The Leaguer]

I take it you're another continuity freak.

Oh mommy that nasty man changed a few things. :( :(
Are you SERIOUS? Continuity is your chosen crusade? Yeah, being a "freak" for something that adds history and legacy to a character and a ton of character development to a story without actually being in the story, and can provide thousands of kickass stories in the future, is a BAD thing. :rolleyes:

[The Leaguer]

Miller is better than anyone writing current continuity. :(
Morrison makes Miller look like a four-year-old with a crayon.

Really? It reminded me of Year One. And what do you consider classic inner monologue?
The inner monologue is just an aspect of what I don't see as classic Batman. As so many have already pointed out, this is MILLER's Batman, not what DC has been saying All-Star Batman is, which was CLASSIC Batman.

[Sarge]

On the off-chance this might be good. Why did you quote me? To b**** about it? :confused: Bull****. You're the same as those people who went to go see F4 with their minds made up just so they could go back to the forums and flame


1) Those two lines of dialogue were plenty.
2) He had a lot of internal monologue. You've already stated you dont like Miller, and you were suprised by his characterization?


Yes, because they could never be both "Ultimate-ish" AND "Miller-ish."
If you consider Millers writing to be "Ultimate" then it can be. But you and hippie hunter just dont like change.

[The Sage]

Of course, not staying in continuity can lead to thousands of kickass stories as well...

Are you SERIOUS? Continuity is your chosen crusade? Yeah, being a "freak" for something that adds history and legacy to a character and a ton of character development to a story without actually being in the story, and can provide thousands of kickass stories in the future, is a BAD thing. :rolleyes:

I'm assuming you were complaining when the Waynes went to the opera instead of seeing Zorro in BB?

[The Sage]

The inner monologue is just an aspect of what I don't see as classic Batman. As so many have already pointed out, this is MILLER's Batman, not what DC has been saying All-Star Batman is, which was CLASSIC Batman.

Don't like Loeb either I take it? Or O'Neil?

[Sarge]

Of course, not staying in continuity can lead to thousands of kickass stories as well...
Nuh uh! When the big bad men change things I get scurred :(

Then I get angry for them doing their jobs! How dare they tweak things to show different perspective or put a different spin on things! :mad:

[Sarge]

Morrison makes Miller look like a four-year-old with a crayon.


The inner monologue is just an aspect of what I don't see as classic Batman. As so many have already pointed out, this is MILLER's Batman, not what DC has been saying All-Star Batman is, which was CLASSIC Batman. Grant "Batman self mutilates" Morrison?

[The Leaguer]

Bull****. You're the same as those people who went to go see F4 with their minds made up just so they could go back to the forums and flame
Do you smell that? You do? That's HYPOCRISY. You know NOTHING about me and yet you've already made up your mind about the kind of person I am. Do me a favor and turn off the "hypocritical bulls***" feature on your keyboard, it's making your posts hard to read.

You've already stated you dont like Miller, and you were suprised by his characterization?
When did I say I was surprised? If you're going to argue, find something REAL to argue about.

If you consider Millers writing to be "Ultimate" then it can be. But you and hippie hunter just dont like change.
No, I just don't like All-Star Batman. Nice attempt at telling me what I like, though. :up:

Of course, not staying in continuity can lead to thousands of kickass stories as well...
Of course it can, I never said it couldn't. I'm just defending the idea that continuity is better.

I'm assuming you were complaining when the Waynes went to the opera instead of seeing Zorro in BB?
I'm assuming you prefer orange jellybeans to red ones?

You see? I can make nonsensical assumptions, too!

Don't like Loeb either I take it? Or O'Neil?
I love them. They're stuff is far more loyal to Batman than Miller's.

Grant "Batman self mutilates" Morrison?

Yes, and also Grant "Seven Soldiers, JLA, We3, Animal Man and everything else I've ever worked on has been awesome" Morrison.

[MJZ]

Are you SERIOUS? Continuity is your chosen crusade? Yeah, being a "freak" for something that adds history and legacy to a character and a ton of character development to a story without actually being in the story, and can provide thousands of kickass stories in the future, is a BAD thing. :rolleyes:

I just want to read good stories. All continuity does is limit a character that should be limitless.

Where's Sandman when you need him...

[MJZ]

Do you smell that? You do? That's HYPOCRISY. You know NOTHING about me and yet you've already made up your mind about the kind of person I am. Do me a favor and turn off the "hypocritical bulls***" feature on your keyboard, it's making your posts hard to read.


When did I say I was surprised? If you're going to argue, find something REAL to argue about.


No, I just don't like All-Star Batman. Nice attempt at telling me what I like, though. :up:


Of course it can, I never said it couldn't. I'm just defending the idea that continuity is better.


I'm assuming you prefer orange jellybeans to red ones?

You see? I can make nonsensical assumptions, too!


I love them. They're stuff is far more loyal to Batman than Miller's.



Yes, and also Grant "Seven Soldiers, JLA, We3, Animal Man and everything else I've ever worked on has been awesome" Morrison.

Theatrical self-importance, the mark of a true fanboy.

[The Leaguer]

I just want to read good stories. All continuity does is limit a character that should be limitless.

Where's Sandman when you need him...
Yeah, it really limited Grant Morrison and Greg Rucka and Geoff Johns and Brad Meltzer and Anderson Gabrych and Brian K. Vaughn and Judd Winnick and Kurt Busiek and Neil Gaimen and Alan Moore and Jeph Loeb and Brian Azzarello and Gail Simone and Chuck Dixon and Devin Grayson. Oh, wait, it didn't.

[The Leaguer]

Theatrical self-importance, the mark of a true fanboy.
Resorting to throwing around the term "fanboy" when absolutely zero evidence of any fanboyism at all is present. The mark of a truly desperate poster.

[The Sage]

I'm assuming you prefer orange jellybeans to red ones?

You see? I can make nonsensical assumptions, too!


And I can answer the question without answering it too!!!


I love them. They're stuff is far more loyal to Batman than Miller's.


So why are you complaining about the inner monologue, as both Loeb and O'Neil employed it in their stories, moreso Loeb.

[Zilleraut #66]

I take it you're another continuity freak.

Oh mommy that nasty man changed a few things. :( :(I don't mind if its done with respect but I guess your right, as long as he writes a super cool story who cares about the character. Pft... I'll take DV and TAS. The only thing that I would want to see Miller handle Batwise is GC. Mainly because it will keep him away from Batman and suit to his 1D writing style.

[MJZ]

Resorting to throwing around the term "fanboy" when absolutely zero evidence of any fanboyism at all is present. The mark of a truly desperate poster.

Quit taking yourself so seriously. You're not that important.

We're all fanboys here sweetie-pie. I use the term liberally.

Pardon my insipidous insult, Dear Wadsworth. I shant useth such a vile term ever more!

[Zilleraut #66]

Don't like Loeb either I take it? Or O'Neil?To me O'Neil is what classic Batman is all about. Loeb just updates that character.

[MJZ]

I don't mind if its done with respect but I guess your right, as long as he writes a super cool story who cares about the character. Pft... I'll take DV and TAS. The only thing that I would want to see Miller handle Batwise is GC. Mainly because it will keep him away from Batman and suit to his 1D writing style.

You guys are pretty easy to categorize.

[MJZ]

To me O'Neil is what classic Batman is all about. Loeb just updates that character.

A quipster/adventure-seeker?

[The Sage]

To me O'Neil is what classic Batman is all about. Loeb just updates that character.

Hahaha, yeah. :D

Though in Hush he did a weak job of doing so. :(

[The Leaguer]

And I can answer the question without answering it too!!!
Hey, cool! We should get a brightly colored bus and take our show on the road!

So why are you complaining about the inner monologue, as both Loeb and O'Neil employed it in their stories, moreso Loeb.
Because Loeb's and O'Neil's inner monologue was good.

Quit taking yourself so seriously. You're not that important.

We're all fanboys here sweetie-pie. I use the term liberally.

Pardon my insipidous insult, Dear Wadsworth. I shant useth such a vile term ever more!
Voicing my opinion is taking myself too seriously!?

[Zilleraut #66]

Hahaha, yeah. :D

Though in Hush he did a weak job of doing so. :( Well he got the character right and thats entertaining in itself but I agree Hush was weak.

[MJZ]

Hey, cool! We should get a brightly colored bus and take our show on the road!


Because Loeb's and O'Neil's inner monologue was good.


Voicing my opinion is taking myself too seriously!?

The phony "outrage" and patrician stench is. :)

[Zilleraut #66]

You guys are pretty easy to categorize.And so are you. Someone thats not a Batman fan but just looking for a good story. At least I'm looking for both a great story and characterization. You could care less if its Batman, Marv or Daredevil. Plus isn't a Miller fanboy still just a fanboy?

[The Leaguer]

The phony "outrage" and patrician stench is. :)
Then tell me, how does focusing on how a poster posts and not WHAT a poster posts, and then judging said poster, catagorize YOU?

[MJZ]

And so are you. Someone thats not a Batman fan but just looking for a good story. At least I'm looking for both a great story and characterization. You could care less if its Batman, Marv or Daredevil. Plus isn't a Miller fanboy still just a fanboy?

Oh yes I'm not a "true" fan. Please. I guess Chris Nolan and Christian Bale aren't true fans because they freely admit they were never into comic books. That's great. They didn't have that baggage. I'm into the character, and thus am not pigeon-holed by having to accept the parameters that're instituted.

I am a Miller fan and enjoy all his work. Loeb's work with Sale was superb. I do think Miller's the best Batman writer. So what.

We're all fanboys here buttercup. The difference is I can sleep at night if they changed Dick's middle name to Henry. You guys are ready to press charges.

[MJZ]

Then tell me, how does focusing on how a poster posts and not WHAT a poster posts, and then judging said poster, catagorize YOU?

Oh I'm just an *******. Once you admit the same it'll make the ongoing process much smoother. :up:

[The Leaguer]

Oh I'm just an *******. Once you admit the same it'll make the ongoing process much smoother. :up:
No, that's okay, I'll let you be the only one. :up:

[MJZ]

No, that's okay, I'll let you be the only one. :up:

And a poor parry that was indeed. :D

Anyways, let's hear about this "classic Batman" dribble and how O' Neil was so great.

I see this referenced but no one ever seems to elaborate on their position.

[Zilleraut #66]

Oh yes I'm not a "true" fan. Please. I guess Chris Nolan and Christian Bale aren't true fans because they freely admit they were never into comic books. That's great. They didn't have that baggage.

I am a Miller fan and enjoy all his work. Loeb's work with Sale was superb. I do think Miller's the best Batman writer. So what.

We're all fanboys here buttercup. The difference is I can sleep at night if they changed Dick's middle name to Henry. You guys are ready to press charges.Your the one throwing fanboy around buttercup I just call out your hypocrisy. Plus the way that we're getting pissy about Batmans character is the same way that you are getting pissy about Millers writing. So you need to look in the mirror twice.

[MJZ]

Your the one throwing fanboy around buttercup I just call out your hypocrisy. Plus the way that we're getting pissy about Batmans character is the same way that you are getting pissy about Millers writing. So you need to look in the mirror twice.

Hypocrisy? Explain.

I wasn't aware "fanboy" was such a put-down. Lighten up.

[The Leaguer]

And a poor parry that was indeed. :D
I figured it was about what your juvenile attempt deserved.

[The Sage]

So is anyone going to expound on O'Neil?

[MJZ]

I figured it was about what your juvenile attempt deserved.

It's truly an honor to be in your presence, your grace.

[MJZ]

So is anyone going to expound on O'Neil?

Yeah I can't wait to hear this.

[The Leaguer]

It's truly an honor to be in your presence, your grace.
Thanks.

[The Leaguer]

So is anyone going to expound on O'Neil?
Why do you need them to? I thought you said you were an O'Neil fan?

[The Sage]

Why do you need them to? I thought you said you were an O'Neil fan?

I've read a few of his stories, not many. Just wanted to get the opinion of those who've read more than I have.

[drastic_quench]

I thought it was great. It was a nice touch that Lee's Batman costume is straight from the second half of DKR. That's not to say that the costume is somehow from Batman's future, rather, it is implied in DKR that he is reverting back, in costume and philosophy, to his early days.

It's interesting to see Vicky Vale in comic. I can't say I've ever read anything with her in it before.

I'm looking forward to Robin's training being pretty hard core. I wouldn't put it past Miller to have Batman actually punch him during sparring. Anyhow, I think it'll be great to see something more than a boy with a stick pummeling a canvas dummy.

[The Sage]

That's one of the best Batman designs I've ever seen, next to Neal Adams. :up:

[Zilleraut #66]

I've read a few of his stories, not many. Just wanted to get the opinion of those who've read more than I have.For me he's the writer that made Batman dark and gritty but stayed within character at a time that those kinds of comics just weren't happening. While I would agree that his dialog is out dated, they are still great stories. Plus his characterization of Batman as being moody and layered is just 10 times richer than a 1D General ********. Its the updating of his Batman that we see in BB (some story line goes to Miller) and TAS. Thats what make them so great. Nevermind his groundbreaking work on GL/GA but Denny O'Neil, along with Neal Adams artwork, is the writer that rescued Batman from camp. I could say more but I'll save it for the next Miller arc and you guys are around again. I would also like to say that I could care less if you guys like it. Just don't jump on my ass for giving my opinion.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Why was Viki a whore?

[The Leaguer]

Did you not catch the "worlds best blowjob" comment she made?

[The Sage]

What page?

[The Sage]

For me he's the writer that made Batman dark and gritty but stayed within character at a time that those kinds of comics just weren't happening. While I would agree that his dialog is out dated, they are still great stories. Plus his characterization of Batman as being moody and layered is just 10 times richer than a 1D General ********. Its the updating of his Batman that we see in BB (some story line goes to Miller) and TAS. Thats what make them so great. Nevermind his groundbreaking work on GL/GA but Denny O'Neil, along with Neal Adams artwork, is the writer that rescued Batman from camp. I could say more but I'll save it for the next Miller arc and you guys are around again. I would also like to say that I could care less if you guys like it. Just don't jump on my ass for giving my opinion.


LOL

Nice post.

[The Leaguer]

What page?
When the cop hits her. He says, "You got a mouth on you, don't you, babe? Only now it ain't so damn pretty." Viki responds, "Gotham's finest." Then, in internal monologue, she says, "Gotham's finest. It wouldn't be ladylike to say finest at WHAT."

[ChrisBaleBatman]

World's biigest blowjob.......?

Explain......

[The Leaguer]

I said "best," not "biggest," although the exact word is "finest."

[Binker]

Part of me hopes Dennis O'Neil writes another story. :D

The line did seemed very DKR-ish, though I think I'll wait and see how the story's handled before passing judgment on Batman's characterisation. I'm hoping he'll write him like he did in Year One, though I wouldn't mind some DKR-ish touches.

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That Batman shot makes the capsule utility belt look great. Best I've ever seen iit.

Are those real, from where?!

And does this overrid TLH and DV?

[The Sage]

When the cop hits her. He says, "You got a mouth on you, don't you, babe? Only now it ain't so damn pretty." Viki responds, "Gotham's finest." Then, in internal monologue, she says, "Gotham's finest. It wouldn't be ladylike to say finest at WHAT."

I thoguht she was talking about the Police when she said "Gotham's Finest."

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.......I read that, and I thought she meant it wouldn't be ladylike of her to mention the corrupt way of the GCPD by cursing him out.

That doesn't make her a whore..........or does it......

[The Sage]

Are those real, from where?!

And does this overrid TLH and DV?

All-Star isn't a part of regular continuity. Writers and artists just come on and tell the stories they want to tell. Morrison's All-Star Superman will have no continuity relations with the current continuity. It's their story and they tell it the way they want. Continuity doesn't apply here. Each story exists in its own world.

[The Leaguer]

I thoguht she was talking about the Police when she said "Gotham's Finest."
I suppose that's possible, but I wouldn't put it past Miller to give it a double meaning. The "ladylike" thing really makes it seem like she's referring to blowjobs, though.

[The Sage]

I suppose that's possible, but I wouldn't put it past Miller to give it a double meaning. The "ladylike" thing really makes it seem like she's referring to blowjobs, though.

Don't see how you got that meaning, but ah well.

[Binker]

But those pics, where did they come from?

[The Sage]

All-Star Batman & Robin issue 1.

[The Leaguer]

Don't see how you got that meaning, but ah well.
The cop says, "you got quite a mouth on you." She responds, saying "Gotham's finest." Then she continues it by saying, "It wouldn't be ladylike to say finest at what." I think it's pretty obvious.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I heard there are like four pages of Viki half naked........any chance of somone posting those.

Hey......maybe that's where he got the Blowjob thing......I mean, after seeing four pages of a half-naked Viki......

[DarkKnightJRK]

But those pics, where did they come from?

Those are the last 2-3 pages of the first issue of "All Star: Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder."

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, he mentions her mouth.......and she mentions how she won't say anything.....I dunno.....

[joke]

She's talking about the cops. "[insert city name]'s finest" is widely used when talking about cops. When she says "it wouldn't be ladylike" she means, she wanted to say something like "Gotham's finest sons-of-*****es". She's talking about the cops, not her blowjob talent.

[The Sage]

The cop says, "you got quite a mouth on you." She responds, saying "Gotham's finest." Then she continues it by saying, "It wouldn't be ladylike to say finest at what." I think it's pretty obvious.

The cop says "You've got quite a mouth on you, only now it ain't so damn
pretty." Then Vicki responds with that line.

I would think the phrase "Gotham's finest' would've been a dead giveaway that she's talking about the police. I thought the phrase "whatever city's finest" was pretty well known.

[DarkKnightJRK]

I suppose that's possible, but I wouldn't put it past Miller to give it a double meaning. The "ladylike" thing really makes it seem like she's referring to blowjobs, though.

If you look hard enough, you'll find dirty double-meanings in just about anything.

[The Leaguer]

Sure it is, and is why I agreed that police reference is there. I'm saying the blowjob reference is pretty obvious, too.

If you look hard enough, you'll find dirty double-meanings in just about anything.
And sometimes, like in this case, it just jumps out.