Where Is Gambit, Bishop, Cable, & Apocolyspe (sp) In This Movie?!?!?

[Jplaya2023]

I heard Gambit is going to be playing a small role, but why. He is one of the better X-men why have the flim directors left him off now 2 movies in a row, whats the problem?

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie. Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.

Where is Onslaught at????????? X3 better be big because the first 2 xmen were average at best

[The Original Bamfer]

I freaking hope Cable isn't in any movie. You seem to have no concept of what makes a good movie, the first two were great. You can't have time-traveling characters or weird crap like that. Apocalypse would be cool, but they would have to change a lot of his story to be realistic in the movies. I don't like to stereotype anyone to this but... FANBOY!

[Jplaya2023]

I freaking hope Cable isn't in any movie. You seem to have no concept of what makes a good movie, the first two were great. You can't have time-traveling characters or weird crap like that. Apocalypse would be cool, but they would have to change a lot of his story to be realistic in the movies. I don't like to stereotype anyone to this but... FANBOY!

what makes me a fanboy, because i want to see different chars for a movie, besides the same boring ones???????????

The fact of the matter is the first 2 men movies were subpar with plot, and character development. The flims were rushed and didnt have the story line like a spiderman or a batman. They just lumped people togethor and used the name to make money.

[BMM]

I heard Gambit is going to be playing a small role, but why. He is one of the better X-men why have the flim directors left him off now 2 movies in a row, whats the problem?

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie. Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.

Where is Onslaught at????????? X3 better be big because the first 2 xmen were average at best

Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, and their overly contrived plotlines, are by the wayside where they belong. Their character arcs are ridiculous in the comics, let alone in the movies. I'm not even going to touch Onslaught . . . and the first two X-Men movies are great. Without them, we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of future X-films.

[Jplaya2023]

Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, and their overly contrived plotlines, are by the wayside where they belong. Their character arcs are ridiculous in the comics, let alone in the movies. I'm not even going to touch Onslaught . . . and the first two X-Men movies are great. Without them, we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of future X-films.

why are their chars so ridiculous??????? Whats wrong with onslaught??? The first 2 x movies underachieved as far as chars and plot not what we xfans expected from that franchise

[X-Maniac]

what makes me a fanboy, because i want to see different chars for a movie, besides the same boring ones???????????

The fact of the matter is the first 2 men movies were subpar with plot, and character development. The flims were rushed and didnt have the story line like a spiderman or a batman. They just lumped people togethor and used the name to make money.

It is NOT 'the fact of the matter'. It is your opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, but why suddenly emerge now, six years after the first movie was cast? Why are you speaking up about it SIX YEARS later?

The 'fact of the matter' is that two movies have already been made and have established a specific feel, theme and world. You cannot suddenly change all that in this third part of the trilogy, you have to build on what has already been seen and expand it to its conclusion.

Realistically, you cannot expect to see Gambit, Cable, Apocalypse (please learn to spell the name if you are such a fan of the character) and Onslaught all packed into the third movie when there are many other loose ends that need tying up - Jean/Phoenix being a major one.

Aren't you at least happy that Angel, Beast, Shadowcat, Avalanche, Juggernaut and Cannonball are included? All those aren't enough for you so you want four others included? Gambit may well have a part anyway.

You offer excellent proof of why fanboys do not make good movies. By fanboy, we mean someone who just wants comicbooks put straight on the screen, who has no idea of bridging the gaps between comicbook fantasy and film-making reality.

[Jplaya2023]

It is NOT 'the fact of the matter'. It is your opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, but why suddenly emerge now, six years after the first movie was cast? Why are you speaking up about it SIX YEARS later?

because i wasnt on this board six years ago. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

The 'fact of the matter' is that two movies have already been made and have established a specific feel, theme and world. You cannot suddenly change all that in this third part of the trilogy, you have to build on what has already been seen and expand it to its conclusion.

Your right but still those chars would be nice to see.

Realistically, you cannot expect to see Gambit, Cable, Apocalypse (please learn to spell the name if you are such a fan of the character) and Onslaught all packed into the third movie when there are many other loose ends that need tying up - Jean/Phoenix being a major one.

Atleast i spelled the others right http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif but thats water under the bridge. The phoenix isnt bad though its pretty decent

Aren't you at least happy that Angel, Beast, Shadowcat, Avalanche, Juggernaut and Cannonball are included? All those aren't enough for you so you want four others included? Gambit may well have a part anyway.

Angel is a minor char. Im happy about beast Shadowcat, and Avalanche are minors as well as cannonball. Im happy for juggs hopefully he gets to fight collasus (sp) in the next 1

You offer excellent proof of why fanboys do not make good movies. By fanboy, we mean someone who just wants comicbooks put straight on the screen, who has no idea of bridging the gaps between comicbook fantasy and film-making reality.

Lol @ fanboy its just my opinion like you said, no need for label. I was going off the show more than the comics because i was never a big comic fan but i been reading more lately.



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[gap5ewl]

only bishop and gambit would make it to an x-men movie and become members of the team but there are qays to put apocolypse and cable in it (cable being a baby the child of scott and jean)

[X-Maniac]

The whole cable/Apocalypse/Days of Future Past thing needs its own movie, its own trilogy probably!

I'd have liked to have seen Bishop, but maybe he is also best kept for a Days of Future Past movie. It's so complicated and has a whole new feel to it from the current movies.

[gap5ewl]

noo keep him away form that make him a normal character in the movie verse he would work perfectly in a movie (he could be a cop for the nypd who hides his powers from everyone)

[BT18]

You can't F'ing have Phoenix/Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse in the same movie.

And the only time they should bring cable in is if they have Apocalypse for him to fight, since those 2 are arch enemies. But even if they do have Apocalypse it's still not reason enough since having Cable would require introducing the additional suspension of disbelief of time travel into this movieverse and that might be impossible if you want the franchise to continue to feel right and not turn off moviegoers.

You can do alot more in a comic than a 2 hour movie franchise where you get 1 every 3 years and none can be a failure or else you're done.

[BMM]

why are their chars so ridiculous??????? Whats wrong with onslaught??? The first 2 x movies underachieved as far as chars and plot not what we xfans expected from that franchise

I notice you and your opinions are getting slammed in here, which seems a bit unfair. In order to shed some light, here are my reasons why the aforementioned characters would be too difficult to translate on screen (if one is trying to remain faithful to their comic counterparts).

Apocalypse:

Apocalypse does very little within the standard X-Men comic continuity (this is very true if you think about it). He is best known for his creation of the four horsemen, most notably Archangel, as well as his involvement in the X-Cutioner's Song and the Twelve story arc (and that's it). The X-Cutioner's Song, however, would be too difficult to translate onscreen. There's too much backstory concerning Jean, Cable, Cyclops, Rachel Summers, Stryfe, The Askani, etc. Also, The Twelve storyline, which is awful in so far as X-Men arcs are concerned, would be ridiculously complicated given it's involved backstory.

Actually, Apocalypse is at his best in X-Men related mini-series, such as The Age of Apocalypse, The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, etc. While these are interesting tales, one must remember they are tales of an alternate X-Men universe and it would make no sense to make an X-Men franchise based on an alternate X-Men universe (at least not right now, if ever).

Cable:

Cable is simply provided too much backstory. He is the son of Madelyne Pryor and Cyclops. Madelyne Pryor and her history (especially in relation to Cyclops and Jean) would have to be explained, which is an entire franchise unto itself. Cable is then taken to the future where he is raised by his sister (who has also done her fair share of time traveling), the clan Askani, and Summer's clan (which, again, is a whole other time travel scenario involving Cyclops and Jean). He is infected with a techno organic virus (needs explaining). He has an evil clone doppleganger in the form of Stryfe, as well as a bitter rivalry with Apocalypse . . . not to mention his involvment with X-Force and the standard X-Men universe, etc.

Bishop:

Bishop is essentially used as a plot device for the alternate futures and realities of the X-Men. His characterization includes his traveling to the future as well as the infamous traitor to the X-Men story arc. Like Apocalypse, Bishop's more interesting moments are during alternate realities. For instance, his role in the Age of Apocalypse (which would be too difficult to do).

Also, the Onslaught arc is insane. It would need a ridiculous amount of explaining (such as Xavier taking Magneto's mind from him). Not to mention it would look a bit silly to have a Godzilla-sized villain running around downtown Manhattan after a little boy (Franklin Richards) and Patrick Stewart.

[Avalanche]

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.
Quite simply, they aren't the X-Men's greatest friends in the movie universe. It's not the same as the comic universe. The movie plants it's foundations in realism, and therefore steers clear of time travelling and overly convoluted storylines. There isn't enough room for them, and storyline wise they don't fit.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie.
The greatest foe? I don't think so. The most powerful maybe, but power doesn't equate to the best villian. In my opinion he's a horrible villian. Nothing worse than someone who can never be stopped. The beauty of Magneto and Mystique etc is that they can be stopped with a little skill. Apocalypse borders on god like invulnerability. He's a tacky, horribly overdone character, and I'd like him as far away from X3 as possible.

Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.
Oh, the fire guy would be Pyro :rolleyes: . He was a brilliantly done character in X2, and with some development in X3 he'll make a great villian too. More depth to him than an impossibly tough Apocalypse who is hell bent on destroying the earth.

[Jplaya2023]

I notice you and your opinions are getting slammed in here, which seems a bit unfair. In order to shed some light, here are my reasons why the aforementioned characters would be too difficult to translate on screen (if one is trying to remain faithful to their comic counterparts).

Apocalypse:

Apocalypse does very little within the standard X-Men comic continuity (this is very true if you think about it). He is best known for his creation of the four horsemen, most notably Archangel, as well as his involvement in the X-Cutioner's Song and the Twelve story arc (and that's it). The X-Cutioner's Song, however, would be too difficult to translate onscreen. There's too much backstory concerning Jean, Cable, Cyclops, Rachel Summers, Stryfe, The Askani, etc. Also, The Twelve storyline, which is awful in so far as X-Men arcs are concerned, would be ridiculously complicated given it's involved backstory.

Actually, Apocalypse is at his best in X-Men related mini-series, such as The Age of Apocalypse, The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, etc. While these are interesting tales, one must remember they are tales of an alternate X-Men universe and it would make no sense to make an X-Men franchise based on an alternate X-Men universe (at least not right now, if ever).

Cable:

Cable is simply provided too much backstory. He is the son of Madelyne Pryor and Cyclops. Madelyne Pryor and her history (especially in relation to Cyclops and Jean) would have to be explained, which is an entire franchise unto itself. Cable is then taken to the future where he is raised by his sister (who has also done her fair share of time traveling), the clan Askani, and Summer's clan (which, again, is a whole other time travel scenario involving Cyclops and Jean). He is infected with a techno organic virus (needs explaining). He has an evil clone doppleganger in the form of Stryfe, as well as a bitter rivalry with Apocalypse . . . not to mention his involvment with X-Force and the standard X-Men universe, etc.

Bishop:

Bishop is essentially used as a plot device for the alternate futures and realities of the X-Men. His characterization includes his traveling to the future as well as the infamous traitor to the X-Men story arc. Like Apocalypse, Bishop's more interesting moments are during alternate realities. For instance, his role in the Age of Apocalypse (which would be too difficult to do).

Also, the Onslaught arc is insane. It would need a ridiculous amount of explaining (such as Xavier taking Magneto's mind from him). Not to mention it would look a bit silly to have a Godzilla-sized villain running around downtown Manhattan after a little boy (Franklin Richards) and Patrick Stewart.

thankyou for answering the question that was very well written. But i still think they should have more villians or more major villians. Toad and pyro arent really super villians per say merely pauns in magneto's game

[Avalanche]

thankyou for answering the question that was very well written. But i still think they should have more villians or more major villians. Toad and pyro arent really super villians per say merely pauns in magneto's game
Pyro has yet to even be a villiant yet. He was with the X-Men right until the end of X2, and merely escaped with Magneto. He did nothing to rank him as a villian. Aside from that, in X2 we'll have Magneto, Mystique, Pyro, Avalanche, Cannonball and possibly Gambit. There'll be a large Brotherhood. Plenty of villians to go around. And yes, they will be Magneto's pawns, but then, they can't each be villians in their own right. Someone has to take the lead, and Magneto is the most powerful and experienced.

[BMM]

thankyou for answering the question that was very well written. But i still think they should have more villians or more major villians. Toad and pyro arent really super villians per say merely pauns in magneto's game

That's understandable. I'm sure as the franchise continues (if and when it does after X3) there will be more villains aside from Magneto.

[Jplaya2023]

Pyro has yet to even be a villiant yet. He was with the X-Men right until the end of X2, and merely escaped with Magneto. He did nothing to rank him as a villian. Aside from that, in X2 we'll have Magneto, Mystique, Pyro, Avalanche, Cannonball and possibly Gambit. There'll be a large Brotherhood. Plenty of villians to go around. And yes, they will be Magneto's pawns, but then, they can't each be villians in their own right. Someone has to take the lead, and Magneto is the most powerful and experienced.

pyro is a cheap jonny storm AKA human torch what is his place with this. I hope gambit is gonna be on the good side, didnt he use to be with magneto or something????????? AV is a ok villian i guess i never heard of cannonball got any pics?????

They should just have an all out brawl

the x-men vs magneto, juggernaut, the blob,mystique, that robot from the arcade game, and those 3 villians from the temple board

[The Original Bamfer]

pyro is a cheap jonny storm AKA human torch what is his place with this. I hope gambit is gonna be on the good side, didnt he use to be with magneto or something????????? AV is a ok villian i guess i never heard of cannonball got any pics?????

They should just have an all out brawl

the x-men vs magneto, juggernaut, the blob,mystique, that robot from the arcade game, and those 3 villians from the temple board



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[Jplaya2023]

...:confused:

sorry

i heard u werent gonna be in x3 what gives?

[aaron]

pyro and human torch's powers are totally different, human torch can turn into flames while pyro can only manipulate flames, he can't create it.

[Jplaya2023]

pyro and human torch's powers are totally different, human torch can turn into flames while pyro can only manipulate flames, he can't create it.

they didnt want them to be the exact same but u can clearly see pyro is a human torch ripoff oh well

[aaron]

no i dont think so. are u talking about in the movies?

[Jplaya2023]

no i dont think so. are u talking about in the movies?

movies comic's wherever

human torch can turn into fire and use it at his dispense. Pyro can manipulate fire but doenst have a fire body

[gap5ewl]

i'd like to see bishop as a cameo. i was think either professor x shows all the mutants like he did in x2 and name some of them. He says " Now heres an African American man form New York whose a police officer. He also happens to be a powerful mutant" and then you here someone say "Officer Bishop...." Or the NYPD try to stop the brotherhood or juggernaut and the x-men are down and then the police force and then, bishops uses his powers and saves them or something. And then we would see him as a supporting or mian character in X4.

[Jplaya2023]

i'd like to see bishop as a cameo. i was think either professor x shows all the mutants like he did in x2 and name some of them. He says " Now heres an African American man form New York whose a police officer. He also happens to be a powerful mutant" and then you here someone say "Officer Bishop...." Or the NYPD try to stop the brotherhood or juggernaut and the x-men are down and then the police force and then, bishops uses his powers and saves them or something. And then we would see him as a supporting or mian character in X4.

nice :up:

[aaron]

movies comic's wherever

human torch can turn into fire and use it at his dispense. Pyro can manipulate fire but doenst have a fire body

well if its the movies its funny how pyro appeared on screen before the human torch, how can that make pyro a copy of human torch.

[X-Maniac]

It would be nice to see Bishop as a cop who 'outs' himself as a mutant when he uses his power to defend himself from a mutant attack, when Magneto and the others are causing chaos in X3.

The best suggestion for Bishop was made on this forum, where he was adapted into a police officer living in the X-Men's current time, who has the power to absorb energy (including chronal energy = time). This time absorption would give him flashes of the future, of Phoenix, and maybe even of events beyond that.

[Jplaya2023]

well if its the movies its funny how pyro appeared on screen before the human torch, how can that make pyro a copy of human torch.

then timeline then not movies sorry

[X-Maniac]

They'll no doubt play down the role of Pyro now. His character needs inclusion after he was shown leaving with Magneto at the end of X2. He will probably die during some kind of sacrifice.

[Sagattarius]

Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, and their overly contrived plotlines, are by the wayside where they belong. Their character arcs are ridiculous in the comics, let alone in the movies. I'm not even going to touch Onslaught . . . and the first two X-Men movies are great. Without them, we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of future X-films.


the big key is how will the upcoming Xmen film do without the
great Bryan Singer directing it .

as we all saw with the Hulk - the acting director does make
a HUGE difference in how the film will turn out.

i tend to agree that Bishop, Cable, Onslaught are not suited for Xmen films
just yet.

more traditional characters like Juggernaut Gambit and Beast would attract
more but be ideal for the next stage in the Xmen era .

one of my greatest concerns is the increased role of Storm ( Halle Berry)
since she previously demanded more camera time and more money
- how much will that impact the appearances of Gambit and others ? .......

www.xmenfilms.net (http://www.xmenfilms.net) has a note of what characters will be in this Xmen
film and who is NOT expected to return ( ala nightcrawler )


:xmen:

[aaron]

of course the director makes a ****ing difference in the movie.

[BMM]

the big key is how will the upcoming Xmen film do without the
great Bryan Singer directing it .

as we all saw with the Hulk - the acting director does make
a HUGE difference in how the film will turn out.

i tend to agree that Bishop, Cable, Onslaught are not suited for Xmen films
just yet.

more traditional characters like Juggernaut Gambit and Beast would attract
more but be ideal for the next stage in the Xmen era .

one of my greatest concerns is the increased role of Storm ( Halle Berry)
since she previously demanded more camera time and more money
- how much will that impact the appearances of Gambit and others ? .......

www.xmenfilms.net (http://www.xmenfilms.net/) has a note of what characters will be in this Xmen
film and who is NOT expected to return ( ala nightcrawler )


:xmen:

I really do wish Bryan Singer was still helming X-Men. I would have liked for him to have finished what he started, particularly because I think he has done a great job . . . I think too many fans underestimate the intelligence with which he approached the franchise and his vision for future films. For instance, a vast majority of fans complain of Rogue not being more like she was in the late 80s and early 90s run of the comics. I think Singer's approach to Rogue is excellent. I recently watched X-Men and X2 again, and you can notice the increase in Rogue's independence and maturity (not to mention she is becoming sexier with each film), which parellels the character's gradual evolution in the comics. I also was incredibly excited about his possible two part movie (essentially an X-Men 3 & 4, in which he planned on including many other things--i.e. more Colossus, Gambit, Phoenix, possibly sentinels, etc.).

Unfortunately, Singer is gone, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Hopefully, X3 can withstand the notion of what could have been. I'm hoping for the best.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Gambit may well have a part anyway.

No he won't. He role will be no greater than Kitty Pryde's was in X-Men or X2... hardly satisfying... :mad: :(

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I really do wish Bryan Singer was still helming X-Men. I would have liked for him to have finished what he started, particularly because I think he has done a great job . . . I think too many fans underestimate the intelligence with which he approached the franchise and his vision for future films. For instance, a vast majority of fans complain of Rogue not being more like she was in the late 80s and early 90s run of the comics. I think Singer's approach to Rogue is excellent. I recently watched X-Men and X2 again, and you can notice the increase in Rogue's independence and maturity (not to mention she is becoming sexier with each film), which parellels the character's gradual evolution in the comics. I also was incredibly excited about his possible two part movie (essentially an X-Men 3 & 4, in which he planned on including many other things--i.e. more Colossus, Gambit, Phoenix, possibly sentinels, etc.).

Unfortunately, Singer is gone, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Hopefully, X3 can withstand the notion of what could have been. I'm hoping for the best.

I agree completely.

I believe that under Singer, we would have had Sentinels. He wanted them for X2, but had to cut them out because he couldn't get them the way they should be. I'm truly interested to see what Singer would have done to close out the franchise.

[JP]

Well, Singer is doing Superman Returns as a sequel to Superman 1&2 (ignoring 3&4). Maybe in the Future Singer can come back and do his X Men Returns or whatever, ignoring X3.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree, that I'd like to see Bishop in the movies, and maybe even Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse (preferabbly Mr. Sinister). However, I don't think that they belong in the original trilogy.

Although, should there ever be an X-Men 4 (which I highly doubt there ever will be), Mr. Sinister could work out pretty well. On his quest for the "perfect genes", we could see him whipe out the Morlocks, and then go after Scott Summers and the newly reemerged and more powerful Jean Grey. Gambit's history could be hinted at (tho it probably wouldn't be the mutant massacre, if it were to happen in this movie, tho it could possibly still work out), and just a grande old time could be had at the movies.

The time travel with Bishop wouldn't be all too far fetched, as we've seen good time traveling use in the Terminator series.

But, I don't think we'll get anything beyond X-Men 3, which I almost prefer with the way things are going this time around. I'd rather just see X-Men 3 bring to all things, and ending, and if more movies come later, so be it. But I don't want anymore cliffhanger endings in which I'll have to wait another 3 years at least to get a resolution to.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, Singer is doing Superman Returns as a sequel to Superman 1&2 (ignoring 3&4). Maybe in the Future Singer can come back and do his X Men Returns or whatever, ignoring X3.

Oh really? I thought Superman Returns was a restart, like Batman Begins or The Punisher.

[JP]

Some see it as a sequel to 1&2, while other see it as a continuation of Smallville. Its very confusing.

[BMM]

Well, Singer is doing Superman Returns as a sequel to Superman 1&2 (ignoring 3&4). Maybe in the Future Singer can come back and do his X Men Returns or whatever, ignoring X3.

Haha. Good point.

[MoiBijou]

No he won't. He role will be no greater than Kitty Pryde's was in X-Men or X2... hardly satisfying... :mad: :(

Keep the faith, dear. I still believe his role-size will be between X1 Iceman and Mystique. They need to introduce him properly if they want to do X4... yes, I still believe there's gonna be a X4.

I am either a Believer or a Naïve... :p

[newwaveboy87]

maybe both at the same time!! wouldn't that be something

i think if Gambit is in X3 he's definitely going to have a small role, i do agree with Moidemoiselle that if he's going to be in it he'll be Iceman/Mystique X1 sized role. which wouldn't be all that bad, he might only have one line but people would remember him

[aaron]

No he won't. He role will be no greater than Kitty Pryde's was in X-Men or X2... hardly satisfying... :mad: :(

Nell, I think he'll probably have a Piotr size role from X2, maybe a line or two.

The problem at the moment seems to be finding an actor to carry the small part, remember what Avid said, we need to find some one whos gonna be able to carry it in a few years time, to me that sounds like a spinoff.

Anyone agree? or is it just me being very hopeful again?

[newwaveboy87]

might be a spinoff, we still dont know for sure what the the third X spinoff is going to be for sure. so far we've only gotten a rumor, but nothing concrete.

or they could be planning a quadrilogy, instead of the trilogy we've come to suspect these movies were going to be, and have Gambit be a bigger player in the fourth film. just some ideas to toss around...

[aaron]

yeah, theyll probably give us sumthing ****ty like a cable spinoff

[aaron]

i wudnt put it past 'em

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

maybe both at the same time!! wouldn't that be something

i think if Gambit is in X3 he's definitely going to have a small role, i do agree with Moidemoiselle that if he's going to be in it he'll be Iceman/Mystique X1 sized role. which wouldn't be all that bad, he might only have one line but people would remember him

I'd be happy with that... as long as we got a glimpse of his personality, and at least 1 action scene, but hopefully 2 (one with his bow staff and martial arts, and one where he's gotta use his mutant powers)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell, I think he'll probably have a Piotr size role from X2, maybe a line or two.

The problem at the moment seems to be finding an actor to carry the small part, remember what Avid said, we need to find some one whos gonna be able to carry it in a few years time, to me that sounds like a spinoff.

Anyone agree? or is it just me being very hopeful again?

Well, I hope it's not a spinoff. Gambit is an X-MEN member, I don't want to see him in some solo movie on his own, or whatever.

I want to see him fighting alongside the likes of Wolverine, Cyclops, and "Stormy", and charming the likes of Rogue.

I've said this time and again, if Gambit's role is indeed a "minor" role, I am completely happy with that. I'm not expecting Gambit to get a Wolverine sized role or anything like that. I'm cool with him being a background, supporting character (hell, I should be used to it, that's all he ever was in the cartoon).

I just want something more than "that Cajun looking fellow with the thick mop of hair". I don't want a "mention" of him. We had that in X2 on the computer screen. I don't want a cameo like Jubilee or Kitty Pryde. I wanna see him in action, even if he's not gonna be a main focus.

I've talked about the role I'd like to see him in, given the info we have of the script. It would give him a pretty good purpose to be in the movie, and would display everything that Gambit fans wanna see.

[ichorinmyveins]

Well, I hope it's not a spinoff. Gambit is an X-MEN member, I don't want to see him in some solo movie on his own, or whatever.

Gambit spin off that is. Don't you think? It'd be a block buster! Scratch Wolverine, Gambit is better. :hq:

[Octoberist]

I completely agree with Nell. All I want is a small role for Gambit. It doesn't have to be big but it has to be enough where people could go "Hey, it's Gambit!".

Arad makes it as if it's not possible. I'm telling you guys, Arad MUST have something against Gambit. I've waited for too long for Gumbo's big screen debut and since this could be the last one, why not give it a shot for the Ragin' Cajin. I swear, Arad makes it as if it's a huge chore and his excuses are not cutting it anymore. I understood X-Men and X2, but not this time around.

[micky-fox]

Yeah, I don't want Gambit to have a large role...I'd prefer a small role.

[ljr]

I'd prefer,any role-just have him do something and have a scene with rogue and i'd be happy.And don't tell me fox can't do that,cause they found a way to increase crappy shadowcat so they can fit gambit into x-3.

[Acro]

Get a grip, dude! Bringing Apocalypse into a movie would suck ape nuts!
So would Bishop and Cable. The whole alternate future thing was farfetched even in the comics.

Final.

[psylockolussus]

I don't want to see Cable in any X-Movies.

Bishop and Apocalypse is too early for X3, but i want them in X4.

[Jplaya2023]

Get a grip, dude! Bringing Apocalypse into a movie would suck ape nuts!
So would Bishop and Cable. The whole alternate future thing was farfetched even in the comics.

Final.

nope it wouldnt. Us xmen fans have been waiting for years for the director to include these chars for the movies and were not gonna stop until their there

[Avalanche]

nope it wouldnt. Us xmen fans have been waiting for years for the director to include these chars for the movies and were not gonna stop until their there
Umm, you're not qualified to speak for all 'us' X-Men fans. I haven't been waiting for the director to bring in any of the above characters thank you very much. If anything, I actively don't want to see them introduced.

[The Original Bamfer]

nope it wouldnt. Us xmen fans have been waiting for years for the director to include these chars for the movies and were not gonna stop until their there

Well, thats all nice to hope... but the truth is, is that it most likely won't happen. I'm pretty sure that Cable and most likely Bishop will never make it into an X-men movie that is affiliated with the three that are made or are being made. So, yeah, its okay that you want these characters and storylines but I'm close to sure that it won't happen.

By the way... I'm an X-Fan and I don't want those characters. Please don't speak on behalf of practically everyone at the X-men boards, because, you'd think that they may also be fans too.

[DrVenkman90]

jplayer i am with you, you people need to think outside the box. i think it would be a good idea!

[Endeavor]

For that matter where are: Polaris, Havok, Moira McTaggert, Lockheed, Warlock, Karma, Mirage, Magma, Wolvesbane, Warpath, Sunfire, Silver Samurai, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Guido, Magik, Psylocke, Dazzler, Spiral, Sunspot, Boom Boom, Husk, Chamber, Skin, Selene, Bolivar Trask, The Sentinels, The Blob, Sauron, Tempo, Calisto (or any of the other Morlocks), Sinister, Dark Beast, Sugarman, Marrow, Cameron Hodge, Fabian Cortez, Exodus, Omega Red, etc and so on...
Point is, you can't include everybody. There's too many.

[DrVenkman90]

Moira McTaggert is awesome so someone at fox who is listening to me. PUT HER IN THAT MOVIE!

[Avalanche]

jplayer i am with you, you people need to think outside the box. i think it would be a good idea!
Because Bishop, Cable and Apocalypse would be thinking outside the box? Hardly.

[micky-fox]

Lol.

[Chick]

Cable wouldn't be able to fit. His storyline is a tad confusing for the general audience who doesn't really know who he is. Cable needs his own storyline to work.







I hope not . . .

[WalkingDead]

The only way you'd ever get a decent to good movie with Cable and Apocalypse is to put them in their own Spin-Off movie.
I like the characters, but I do NOT want them in ANY X-Men movie. A Cable movie, fine, but not in the X-Men Franchise.

Archangel, even though he's a fav of mine, does not need to be forced out just so we can have him either. No reason to include Apocalyse to just get Archangel. In fact there is very little use for Apocalyspe within this current Franchise. It just wouldn't make a lot of sense. Plus Apocalyse is one of those God-Like characters that seems a bit too much for any movie, other than a Cable spin-off.

Onslaught? Are you serious? Onslaught was one of the many reasons that practically buried Marvel in the late 90's. 1998 Marvel went bankrupt...does that say anything? I think it does. I mean first off it would take 3 movies to bring in Onsalught, if you want ANY kind of characterization and development. Onsalught is just way too much for any X-Men movie PERIOD.

[Jplaya2023]

For that matter where are: Polaris, Havok, Moira McTaggert, Lockheed, Warlock, Karma, Mirage, Magma, Wolvesbane, Warpath, Sunfire, Silver Samurai, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Guido, Magik, Psylocke, Dazzler, Spiral, Sunspot, Boom Boom, Husk, Chamber, Skin, Selene, Bolivar Trask, The Sentinels, The Blob, Sauron, Tempo, Calisto (or any of the other Morlocks), Sinister, Dark Beast, Sugarman, Marrow, Cameron Hodge, Fabian Cortez, Exodus, Omega Red, etc and so on...
Point is, you can't include everybody. There's too many.

i mean the main chars to the franchise.

For decades now apoc, cable bishop, have been the backbones for the xmen franchise besides the actual xmen and magneto

[WalkingDead]

i mean the main chars to the franchise.

For decades now apoc, cable bishop, have been the backbones for the xmen franchise besides the actual xmen and magneto

Bishop is the ONLY one of the characters you listed that was anything close to a backbone of the X-Men comics. (who if he does get a cameo it would only be either during the Prison Break in X3 or as a random background guy that has nothign to do with his comic version) He is a very cool character and one that I thoroughly enjoyed during the semi-disappointing 90's X-Men comics, but the time-traveling and alternate realities stuff isn't going to work for the movies at this point.

Cable is a character for his own thing, and doesn't need to be some great big X-Men tie-in or anything.

And Apocalyse as a backbone villain...please...The Blob, Pyro, and Toad are more backbone villains to the X-Men than Apocalyse. Now I like Apocalyse for when he was used well (which isn't a whole lot, but still). He just doesn't need to be brought in to the X-Men movie Franchise...it would be way too complicated.

[Endeavor]

i mean the main chars to the franchise.

For decades now apoc, cable bishop, have been the backbones for the xmen franchise besides the actual xmen and magneto

I disagree. I don't think anybody can rightly call Cable, Bishop OR Apocalypse the backbone of anything (and that's not to say I dislike the characters, because I do... 2 out of the 3 anyway). Of the list I provided, which is by no means complete, The Sentinels, Polaris, Moira McTaggert, The Blob and even Sauron have been around longer than any of the 3 you mentioned. Certainly you can agree that the Sentinels will be more integral to the overall X-Men franchise/history than anything else. After all they are the prime example of the underlying theme within the X-Universe, the extremes to which human prejudice can go. None of the 3 characters you mentioned can do that.
So no, I don't think of them as main characters or even key/central ones.

[Jplaya2023]

Bishop is the ONLY one of the characters you listed that was anything close to a backbone of the X-Men comics. (who if he does get a cameo it would only be either during the Prison Break in X3 or as a random background guy that has nothign to do with his comic version) He is a very cool character and one that I thoroughly enjoyed during the semi-disappointing 90's X-Men comics, but the time-traveling and alternate realities stuff isn't going to work for the movies at this point.

Cable is a character for his own thing, and doesn't need to be some great big X-Men tie-in or anything.

And Apocalyse as a backbone villain...please...The Blob, Pyro, and Toad are more backbone villains to the X-Men than Apocalyse. Now I like Apocalyse for when he was used well (which isn't a whole lot, but still). He just doesn't need to be brought in to the X-Men movie Franchise...it would be way too complicated.

the blob and pyro were only good in the videogame game in the arcade. I agree cable needs his own thing but bishop could be a major factor, and apoc could be somewhere down the line. Like an X-men vs apoc movie in an all out brawl or something

[overboard]

The x-men titles have been out for a long time,with lots of characters and villians and these 3 are relatively recent(about 15 years)There's no reason to jump straight to the end of the book for higher box office

[gap5ewl]

bishop would be the only one (other than gambit) to make it to and x-men movie because you can easily include him in the movie universe. and with cable and apocolypse

cable could be the child of jean and cyclops maybe a cameo in x3 as a baby or jean pregnant with him?

maybe the x-kids could be watching a special on the history of mutants and they mention a egyption mutant name en sabah nur wh owas said to be the first and most powerful mutant and ancient legends from egypt and othe cultures say he was a tyrant and is the eternal one can never die? that be intersting.... actually the way they explained him in x-men evolution was very good maybe just to a few changes to that and possibly use that?

and of course simply make bishop a formal criminal who changed is life aorund and is now a police officer for the nypd, maybe a cameo in x3 and then a major player in x4 and their you have it not that hard i dont know why you people think bishop cant make an appearence in a x-men movie. it pretty easy to include him and i would like to see him in one.

[DrVenkman90]

hmmm i think that would be cool but i think if they came back from the future it would be awesome

[Jplaya2023]

give me what we want

[jnhg]

Isn't there a video game coming out with all these Characters? I played the first X men legends and it did really well tieing in all arcs and bringing the Characters together... I would just be thankful of what Marvel is giving us. If you aren't getting what you want in the movie,

Read the comics and use your imagination or

Play the X men Legends games. I think the next one will be real good!

Thanks.

[tamron]

The best suggestion for Bishop was made on this forum, where he was adapted into a police officer living in the X-Men's current time, who has the power to absorb energy (including chronal energy = time). This time absorption would give him flashes of the future, of Phoenix, and maybe even of events beyond that.

Thank you for the compliment. Its my idea, I've been pitching it around these forums for a while. I know he's not gonna make this film, but I'd love to see Keith Hamilton Cobb playing Bishop in X4, if there is one. Hopefully, someone at Fox is reading....

[Jplaya2023]

Thank you for the compliment. Its my idea, I've been pitching it around these forums for a while. I know he's not gonna make this film, but I'd love to see Keith Hamilton Cobb playing Bishop in X4, if there is one. Hopefully, someone at Fox is reading....

i wanna see either lfishbourne or sam jackson play bishop

[gap5ewl]

no i suggested the police officer thing you made up the time absorption one. dont give yourself all the credit tamron lol.

[tamron]

i wanna see either lfishbourne or sam jackson play bishop

Wouldn't have as much of a problem with Fishburne, but Samuel L. is simply too charismatic for Bishop. Bishop needs to be played with a surly stoicism, which I will readily admit Fishburne has. However, his resemblence to Bishop is negligible at best. In my mind, KHC is the complete package for Bishop. A stage trained actor, he stands 6'5", has screen presence and his voice is commanding. Watch him in old eps of Andromeda as Tyr. I tell you, the guy is the right actor for the part. He's not a star, but what he has is the right combination of talent and resemblence to the character.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2201/tyr51hu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2531/192iq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[afmvdp]

bishop and cable could only exist in a completely seperate movie, perhaps an age of apoc based one... but certainly nothing more. If you wanted to have a cameo of bishop it would be in the form of a very young black child, nothing more.

And secondly, a much bigger note, I am getting really sick of people talking about Singer like he was this great fan of the comics and really cared about this series. He didn't give a damn about it, he completely screwed up characters and personas, and MOST of the things fans liked was done by the writers and he had little to do with it. The same corporate controlled movie that X3 is was the same way X1 and X2 were. So nothing has changed.

In movies like this the director really doesn't have much control, they are merely a figurehead by which to sell a movie. Like the queen of england is merely a puppet of the parliament.

[Genosha]

bishop and cable could only exist in a completely seperate movie, perhaps an age of apoc based one... but certainly nothing more. If you wanted to have a cameo of bishop it would be in the form of a very young black child, nothing more.

And secondly, a much bigger note, I am getting really sick of people talking about Singer like he was this great fan of the comics and really cared about this series. He didn't give a damn about it, he completely screwed up characters and personas, and MOST of the things fans liked was done by the writers and he had little to do with it. The same corporate controlled movie that X3 is was the same way X1 and X2 were. So nothing has changed.

In movies like this the director really doesn't have much control, they are merely a figurehead by which to sell a movie. Like the queen of england is merely a puppet of the parliament.

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

You are exactly right.

People think Singer screwed up the X-Men because they didn't wear tight spandex and Cyclops didn't blow up Sentinel heads left and right.

But there is way more to the X-Men than that, and Singer captured the true essence of what the X-Men are really all about.

[JP]

Singer had great appreciation for the X-Men. If he didn't give a crap he would not have made them.

[Genosha]

You are exactly right.

People think Singer screwed up the X-Men because they didn't wear tight spandex and Cyclops didn't blow up Sentinel heads left and right.

But there is way more to the X-Men than that, and Singer captured the true essence of what the X-Men are really all about.

Yeah, its the realism of the proceedings that I really enjoyed. When I watch an X-Men film, not only do I feel like I'm transported into a realm of fantasy, but I feel like it has touches of realism to it.

And Singer should be credited for grounding the X-Men in reality so the major themes of the comics could be heard.

Hey, I would've loved to see Wolvie in his original uniform, Storm flying all over the place, and Lady Deathstrike look more like the cyborg mutant she is in the comics.
But I understand why Singer made the choices he made and the films speak for themselves.

[The Apocalypse]

what makes me a fanboy, because i want to see different chars for a movie, besides the same boring ones???????????

The fact of the matter is the first 2 men movies were subpar with plot, and character development. The flims were rushed and didnt have the story line like a spiderman or a batman. They just lumped people togethor and used the name to make money.

Yeah same boring ones. Thats why there adding more people. BTW there not boring.

[afmvdp]

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

Again you twist the past to match your current beliefs. DeSanto really got him into the books after the first one. Especially after the sucess at the box office. It was at this point that he became a fan of the books and started really reading, and thus X2 was a much better and more accurate depiction.

In X1 Singer knew almost nothing about the characters and the film was mostly controlled by the studio. Ratner is already a known big fan of the books, so considering that I think we'll get at least as good a film as X2 was if not better. My only fear really is what impact the momentary existence of Vaughn at the helm may have on this release but considering how much they've made it clear they are altering we will far more likely get the good film indeed.

[JP]

I know. Its been a dream of Ratners to do an X-Men movie. Much like Singers dream to do Superman. The only thing that worries me is how much Vaughn put into the script. He didn't seem passionate about the film. He disregarded everything Singer did, whereas Ratner has much respect for Singer.

[Genosha]

Again you twist the past to match your current beliefs. DeSanto really got him into the books after the first one. Especially after the sucess at the box office. It was at this point that he became a fan of the books and started really reading, and thus X2 was a much better and more accurate depiction.

In X1 Singer knew almost nothing about the characters and the film was mostly controlled by the studio. Ratner is already a known big fan of the books, so considering that I think we'll get at least as good a film as X2 was if not better. My only fear really is what impact the momentary existence of Vaughn at the helm may have on this release but considering how much they've made it clear they are altering we will far more likely get the good film indeed.

Um, I was under the impression that DeSanto got him hooked on it before X1. Singer is a smart guy. I really don't think he would sign on to something that he didn't know anything about.
He had to have done a little bit of research before signing on. And in many ways, X1 is just as good as X2. The opening Wolverine scene is very faithful and amazing.

[Endeavor]

give me what we want



:confused: Legion? is that you??!... :confused:

[WalkingDead]

Um, I was under the impression that DeSanto got him hooked on it before X1. Singer is a smart guy. I really don't think he would sign on to something that he didn't know anything about.
He had to have done a little bit of research before signing on. And in many ways, X1 is just as good as X2. The opening Wolverine scene is very faithful and amazing.
If I remember correctly, Singer got into the X-Men 90's Cartoon for the first movie...he watched it to get the essences of the characters. I think it's in the X1 Commentary that he mentions the Cartoon and that he liked it a lot.
And then by the time X2 was started, he had been reading the comics and got hooked on them.

And I think Singer would have done a very nice job, but he isn't doing it now. Ratner, I don't think is a horrible choice. I couldn't think of anyone when Singer left that could do a 3rd X-Film, so I'm glad it wasn't up to me to pick a new director.

We could have had any number of piss-poor directors that have no idea what to do with mutants...I think it'll be fine. Hell, Ratner may consult with Singer on his X3 plans and really try to push for some Singer-esque ideas for X3.

[afmvdp]

walking dead beat me to it. And from his own notes he watched the cartoons mostly to get an idea of movements for how they should attack, be filmed, etc more than anything else. Now by the end of filming and getting ready for the next film he started getting more into it, was given some of the more classic books to read, and from that he really actually delved into the characters... Since Ratner has such a love and knowledge for the material already, I can't see him intentionally doing anything to mess up something that he holds dear to himself.

[Octoberist]

I have a feeling that Ratner is a casual comic book fan. I'm not saying that he's hardcore but he's familar with the X-men and it's characters. That's probably why they got him instead of the other guy who did flight of the phonix....Wait a minute...lol

[JP]

Like I said, Its been Ratners dream to do X-Men. And I bet he is secretly glad Tucker acted like an ass and held up the Rush Hour 3 prudoction.

[WalkingDead]

Like I said, Its been Ratners dream to do X-Men. And I bet he is secretly glad Tucker acted like an ass and held up the Rush Hour 3 prudoction.
I bet you your right.

[Octoberist]

Tucker demanded more money and creative control right? Even Jackie Chan in an interview stated that Tucker doesn't have that power in Hollywood yet. He's stil fairly new and in fact, he hasn't done anything since Rush Hour 2. Not even indie flicks, to my knowledge. What is he? Tom Cruise?

[Jplaya2023]

:confused: Legion? is that you??!... :confused:


que?????????

[Endeavor]

Nada chico. Ya paso

[Jplaya2023]

did anyone get a chance to contact marvels and have these chars implemented??

[JustABill]

No Bishop. Cable. or Apocalypse in these movies. EVER. In a restart ten or so years later, maybe, but not Singer/Ratner's films. They just won't fit.

Now Gambit, I wouldn't mind, but he's entirely not necessary, he'd just be cool to have around.

[MoiBijou]

Now Gambit, I wouldn't mind, but he's entirely not necessary, he'd just be cool to have around.

We don't know if he's necessary or not because we don't know the whole plot. Perhaps he's necessary in one of the several plots the movie has got (Arad's words)

However, having him around would be cool enough.

[JustABill]

We'll yeah. I assumme he's not just gonna sit around going ''Hi, I'm Remy Lebeau. Chere." Only in a slightly more Gambit tone and dialect.

I assume if he's a part of anything dealing with X-Men, he's going to have a purpose. It's just I don't find he's too entirely necessary overall to stuff into a plot or anything just for the sake of getting him in there.

[MoiBijou]

We'll yeah. I assumme he's not just gonna sit around going ''Hi, I'm Remy Lebeau. Chere." Only in a slightly more Gambit tone and dialect.

I assume if he's a part of anything dealing with X-Men, he's going to have a purpose. It's just I don't find he's too entirely necessary overall to stuff into a plot or anything just for the sake of getting him in there.

I repeat: Do we know the whole plot? I don't think he's gonna be there just for the sake of being in the movie. Perhaps he's got any little "mission", something we still don't know and that it's related to those "secret pages" the script has got. Maybe he's important in a small scene or the only action he does in the movie causes something bigger.

Until we know the plot, we can't say who's and who's not necessary in the movie.

[JustABill]

You aren't understanding me darling. I'm not just talking about X3. I'm talking about the franchise as a whole.

[MoiBijou]

You aren't understanding me darling. I'm not just talking about X3. I'm talking about the franchise as a whole.

Then, why do you think he's not necessary in ANY of the movies? Just because you don't like him? If the scriptwriters consider him necessary for a scene in one of the movie, sure they'll find the way to put him in it.

I don't like Stacy-X, but if she's gonna be in the movie, sure the scriptwriters have found the way to make her "necessary" for the plot.

[Jplaya2023]

isnt gambit one of the original xmen why isnt he getting his just due?

[the a1ant]

Yeah, the only character I could see actually making it in, is Bishop...and it'd be as a New York cop or something...like gap5ewl said :up:

[JustABill]

Then, why do you think he's not necessary in ANY of the movies? Just because you don't like him? If the scriptwriters consider him necessary for a scene in one of the movie, sure they'll find the way to put him in it.

I don't like Stacy-X, but if she's gonna be in the movie, sure the scriptwriters have found the way to make her "necessary" for the plot.

Because he's just not been very overall important except for a few istances in the lore of X-Men. And if I didn't like him do you think I'd post in his casting thread, let alone put him in my fan fic restart of the X-Men franchise? The fact is as much as I think Gambit is a cool character, he hasn't had many instances where he's been as important to the lore as say, Jean, Cyclops, Magneto, Storm, Wolverine, Xavier.

I don't understand why everyone complains about Stacy X either, she was annoying, but it could be much worse? Imagine it being Bootylicious or Milkshake? Yeah, there that's much worse.

[JustABill]

isnt gambit one of the original xmen why isnt he getting his just due?

No! Very very wrong. The only original X-Men were Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman and Jean Grey, who was then known as Marvel Girl.

Gambit came even later than Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, and Nightcrawler.

[Octoberist]

I feel that Gambit should get something out of the movie franchise. Let what you (i think) said before, he's not the MOST wanted character, but he's the most POPULAr character from CORE team in Fox show that hasn't made an appearance in any of the movies yet.

I know that he wasn't the original member of the X Men (Beast and Angel deserve to be in the movie as well) but Gambit was one of the reasons why I got into the X-Men in the first place. That's why people are so attached to him (sometimes too attached).

[Demon Within]

No love for Cable :( I was hoping for Apocalypse for 2 and 3 didnt get that either. The time thing is crazy and over done but cant you write a movie with them with out it? Why oh why is Gambit so popular.....hes french-ish!!

[Octoberist]

considering Cable and Bishop along with Apolcolyspe would be damn expensive and couldn't be done in just ONE MOVIE...and the fact it would be damn confusing to the general public (i'm sorry to say). That's why I've opted the second best choice after Apocalypse..SINISTER. He a tad more grounded but still larger than life..

Gambit is popular because people love the charming rogue (not Rogue)...the suave gentlemen thief. They're fun characters!

[JustABill]

I don't even think you could do Sinister in these current films, but I'd be way more open to him period, than I would say Apocalypse. I never understood the fascination with him.

[Octoberist]

because he's cool looking. that's what i thought when i was a kid.

[Angry Sentinel]

did anyone get a chance to contact marvels and have these chars implemented??OMG not you...not you...anybody but you!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *gasp* OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

- Darth Vader

[JustABill]

Just because something/someone is cool looking, doesn't make them a good character.

[Octoberist]

(When I was a kid)

[JustABill]

Yeah, I know. I was just saying.

[Angry Sentinel]

isnt gambit one of the original xmen why isnt he getting his just due?.."wherever there's a "JPLAYA", there will be suffering." Its the seventh sign of the end people, Jplaya has arrived.

Let me guess... Xmen TAS right!! You saw him on the animated series and you think Gambit is one of the originals from that, RIGHT!

Now where have I seen this before????

**Sentinel remembers the Batman vs Marvel U boards where Jplaya argued that Batman could beat everybody but Spiderman, for over 400 posts spanning 70 pages!**

[Octoberist]

.."wherever there's a "JPLAYA", there will be suffering." Its the seventh sign of the end people, Jplaya has arrived.



Was that in the Bible?

[Angry Sentinel]

Was that in the Bible?

YES!!!! Look up the Beast with the 12 horns!

Dude read my post, this guy is pure evil. He's done this before, on several different boards spanning several different centuries. You have never seen anything like "Jplaya".

[Jplaya2023]

.."wherever there's a "JPLAYA", there will be suffering." Its the seventh sign of the end people, Jplaya has arrived.

Let me guess... Xmen TAS right!! You saw him on the animated series and you think Gambit is one of the originals from that, RIGHT!

Now where have I seen this before????

**Sentinel remembers the Batman vs Marvel U boards where Jplaya argued that Batman could beat everybody but Spiderman, for over 400 posts spanning 70 pages!**

change it to 40 post per page and i gave legitmite reasons at that. People were astounding by the obvious facts and clarity in my responses

[JustABill]

Lol. Let me guess...Jplaya lacks any remote knowledge of the comics, right?

[megawatt]

i wanna see either lfishbourne or sam jackson play bishop



No offense to Mr. Jackson but I do not want to see SHAFT WINDU BAD MOTHA F#%KER BISHOP

Don't get me wrong I love Sam Jackson but there are more than enough talented black actors out there who could play the part of Bishop. Why do we have to go trot out Jackson everytime a role like this is mentioned.

Larry Fishburne could make a decent Bishop but then so could Michael (forgot his last name)...the guy who played Spawn.

Another possible is Keith Hamilton Cobb....guy from Andromeda.

[Bat Andy]

I would like to see a Cable movie based in the future time of a movie like Terminator. I think you could really delve into the characters history and provide a good movie.

I don't however think he would fit with the current styling of the X-movies.

Gambit would be a great character to have a mercenary for hire working for the brotherhood of evil mutants and later to come to the x-men's side (not necessarily in this movie).

[Jplaya2023]

Lol. Let me guess...Jplaya lacks any remote knowledge of the comics, right?

no i havent read em as long as they have

[Octoberist]

larry fishburn for some odd reason gained a lot of weight. I first noticed it in the matrix reloaded and revolutions. Weird.

[Jplaya2023]

i think jean claude can damme should play gambit. He has his build, martial arts skills, and way with women in his movies.

and i think u mean laurence fishbourne not larry

[JustABill]

no i havent read em as long as they have

I'm 20 years old. I never have once touched the old back issues of X-Men growing up, but from researching on the net, I know what happens in a mass majority of them. Word of advice, do it, you'll quickly come to see that some of the better stories are the past ones, not the more recent ones.

Just a friendly word of advice.

[Jplaya2023]

I'm 20 years old. I never have once touched the old back issues of X-Men growing up, but from researching on the net, I know what happens in a mass majority of them. Word of advice, do it, you'll quickly come to see that some of the better stories are the past ones, not the more recent ones.

Just a friendly word of advice.

no doubt bro thanks

[JustABill]

i think jean claude can damme should play gambit. He has his build, martial arts skills, and way with women in his movies.

and i think u mean laurence fishbourne not larry

Jean Claude as Gambit is just a terrible choice and Larry is Laurence's nickname.

[Angry Sentinel]

Lol. Let me guess...Jplaya lacks any remote knowledge of the comics, right?
You wont have to guess, it will become PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IN ABOUT 5 SECONDS!!!

i think jean claude can damme should play gambit. He has his build, martial arts skills, and way with women in his movies.

and i think u mean laurence fishbourne not larry

**shakes head, looks at watch***

Didnt even take that long!!!

**Begins to pray**

[Octoberist]

Jean Claude van damme..........(GROAN)

And yeah, Larry is Laurance's nickname! HOY``

[Angry Sentinel]

No offense to Mr. Jackson but I do not want to see SHAFT WINDU BAD MOTHA F#%KER BISHOP

Don't get me wrong I love Sam Jackson but there are more than enough talented black actors out there who could play the part of Bishop. Doesnt matter if you offend him or not, it wont change a thing. Jplaya means the end of all things!

"King Kong aint got nothin on me.."

-Jplaya

[Jplaya2023]

Doesnt matter if you offend him or not, it wont change a thing. Jplaya means the end of all things!

"King Kong aint got nothin on me.."

-Jplaya

your hillarious your obscene interpritations of my character is mind boggling

[-Æ-]

I heard Gambit is going to be playing a small role, but why. He is one of the better X-men why have the flim directors left him off now 2 movies in a row, whats the problem?

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie. Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.

Where is Onslaught at????????? X3 better be big because the first 2 xmen were average at best

Yes, apocalypse is the greatest of the X-Men friends, unfourtanetly no one else on this board likes Apocalypse except me, and last time I talked about Apocalypse being in the movie, I got flamed so bad for it, and it looks like it will continue.

[Jplaya2023]

Yes, apocalypse is the greatest of the X-Men friends, unfourtanetly no one else on this board likes Apocalypse except me, and last time I talked about Apocalypse being in the movie, I got flamed so bad for it, and it looks like it will continue.

yeah these peopel are like robots and anything that isnt the popular idea will be shot down. Dont worry i've faced my nemises on this site plenty of times. It seems like no matter what they do i come back and post more positive stuff

[JP]

This thread sucks.




Hard.

[MoiBijou]

This thread suck.




Hard.

Agree, my dear. Agree.

[Jplaya2023]

Agree, my dear. Agree.

dear?? :confused:

[JP]

dear?? :confused:

Is she not entitled to call me dear?

[Octoberist]

MoiBijou is a chick, Jplaya. Just for your info.

[JP]

MoiBijou is a chick, Jplaya. Just for your info.

Even if she wasn't, why cant she call me dear?

[Jplaya2023]

Even if she wasn't, why cant she call me dear?


ehhhhhhhhhhhh i dont know about you but i wouldnt want a man calling me dear. But i aint know she was a girl. But if u dont like the thread remember your not obligated to post in it

[Octoberist]

i mean she can, of course!

[JP]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh i dont know about you but i wouldnt want a man calling me dear. But i aint know she was a girl. But if u dont like the thread remember your not obligated to post in it

Well it is when the thread is in my way of the more important ones. This was a waste of a thread to begin with, it died and now the thread starter bumped it back up for no reason besides to get attention.

[MoiBijou]

Mmm... why, in the name of the Holy Cow (sorry Jan) do you mind me calling anybody "dear"... dear?

[JustABill]

I agree with JP, this thread sucks...

hard.

[MoiBijou]

I agree with JP, this thread sucks...

hard.

Three people thinking the same are a good number...

[Jplaya2023]

Well it is when the thread is in my way of the more important ones. This was a waste of a thread to begin with, it died and now the thread starter bumped it back up for no reason besides to get attention.

the thread dies faster when people dont post it in correct?? if u didnt post here it would die

[JP]

If you didn't say things that showed your very little knowlege of the X-Men, people would ignore you.

[Angry Sentinel]

yeah these peopel are like robots :eek: , Well duh, my name is Sentinel. You're a Robot hater...A Robophobe... an Anti-Robite!!!

Edit.... Dont worry i've faced my nemises on this site plenty of times. It seems like no matter what they do i come back and post more positive stuff as TNC would say.... ORLY!!!

And what was your name then, huh? What Identity were you posing as?
"Come back", you say? So you admit to being banned for insanity, before! I probably fought you then demon, and I will fight you now!

**Switches to auto defense mode, prepares for Armegeddon**
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"

- Gandalf the Grey

[ShadowBoxing]

no i havent read em as long as they haveNo he has not read them period.

[Angry Sentinel]

BUSTED!!!! Oh yeah, ShadowBoxing is here in the house to set the record straight.

*Welcomes friendly face from Comic Book Forum**

We've all seen your tricks Jplaya, you are all used up buddy!

[JustABill]

Ahhh. He lied to me. I hate when people lie to me, and to think I was friendly to him about it afterwards.

[Angry Sentinel]

I saw your post where you state that you didnt read the Xmen comics. But you dont go on the COMIC BOOK FORUM and argue with people about things you know nothing about.... This is the evil that is Jplaya. Shadowboxing knows, that's why he tracked him over here and set the record straight.

Com-on Jplaya, tell us how all-knowing you are because you've watched "The Animated Series".

[Jplaya2023]

TAS is a launching point for many things. Although the comics came first. I believe TAS brought casual viewers over to the comics who didnt like reading them in the frist place

[Jan Irisi]

Mmm... why, in the name of the Holy Cow (sorry Jan) do you mind me calling anybody "dear"... dear?


What?

[MoiBijou]

What?

You usually say "Holy Cow", so sorry for "steal" your expression. ;)

[Jan Irisi]

I see.

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit... Although the comics came first. I believe TAS brought casual viewers over to the comics who didnt like reading them in the frist place Good point, and one of your more level-headed posts. Too bad that doesnt include you, though! Cause you proved time and time again that you pretty much only know what comes from TAS. And may I remind you that this was in a COMIC BOOK FORUM!! you could've went to the TV series threads, or even here to the movie threads, but nooooooo you posted nonsensical arguements against people who know the Comics and you "ONLY" provided TAS as your reasoning!!!

None of that is relevant though, tell me this; who are you really? How many times have you been banned? WHY DO YOU KEEP RETURNING???

[MoiBijou]

I see.

Mmm, are you angry with me? (Moi is sad) :(

[Jplaya2023]

Good point, and one of your more level-headed posts. Too bad that doesnt include you, though! Cause you proved time and time again that you pretty much only know what comes from TAS. And may I remind you that this was in a COMIC BOOK FORUM!! you could've went to the TV series threads, or even here to the movie threads, but nooooooo you posted nonsensical arguements against people who know the Comics and you "ONLY" provided TAS as your reasoning!!!

None of that is relevant though, tell me this; who are you really? How many times have you been banned? WHY DO YOU KEEP RETURNING???


i never knew of this site until last month searching for vs threads in yahoo and google

[Jan Irisi]

Mmm, are you angry with me? (Moi is sad) :(

No.

[MoiBijou]

No.

Nice to hear that. ;)

[Angry Sentinel]

i never knew of this site until last month searching for vs threads in yahoo and google Somehow I knew you wouldnt just tell me! It's ok, you can't keep up this inane charade forever. You'll slip, they all slip! Get tired of playing the innocent newbie with wild ideas, and BANG, out they come. That's you, and I know it now, I'll wait patiently. When it happens, please believe I'll still be here Jplaya. Waiting for you to gag on your little evil schemes....

Jplaya: "AAAAAAARRRRGGGHH.. I cant stand it anymore, you IDIOTIC, MINDLESS, INTERNET LOSERS!!! Don't you know who I am? How many times I've come here? Baiting all of you on? I've gotten your threads closed time and time again and you still dont get it. I'M THE SON OF SAM... BEELZEBUB's HUMAN SPAWN. DIE I HATE YOU ALL DIE!!!

Angry Sentinel: "um...how sad.... "MODS!!!"

Jplaya: " I dont care, I already have 25 other identities, I've been doing this for years, they cant stop me now, I'm practically one with this place! MWHAAHAHAHAHA!

SHH Users: "Did anybody hear that? It sounded like a seriously disturbed person making a desperate cry for help, that unfortunately will never be answered."

Jplaya: *clinked fists* "screw you losers! @@@E$@#$%$Q%#%$#... all of you, I'll return and return and return and return till the these boards are nothing but clones of me MWHAAAHAHAHAHAAAARRRRRRRGGHHH...."
*Grabs chest, dies*

The Reaper: "Sorry bud, but only one has succesfully returned from this banning, and you wont be duplicating that feat."

:eek: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[JackBauer]

i never knew of this site until last month searching for vs threads in yahoo and google

and we didn't even need more reasons to hate vs. threads...

[Jplaya2023]

and we didn't even need more reasons to hate vs. threads...

vs threads are the best threads to make

[JP]

vs threads are the best threads to make

No.. there horrible. Most people hate them, an all they do is cause fights. :mad:

[-Æ-]

This thread sucks.




Hard.


Nah, this thread has potential, its just no one wants to give it a chance, everybody like to sit inside of the box. Me myself I like to destroy the box, and everything thats in it!

[Demon Within]

There not in the movie cause there to "creative" for it...i guess.

[Jplaya2023]

There not in the movie cause there to "creative" for it...i guess.

'
yeah thats what im thinking 2 maybe they couldnt fit them in

[Demon Within]

They could do it as long as they dont mess with time. Apocalypse can do other things then travel in time. They could add cable as Xman and bishop COULD be from the future but since he forgot he wouldnt know.But thats too "creative".

[HCpride]

movies comic's wherever

human torch can turn into fire and use it at his dispense. Pyro can manipulate fire but doenst have a fire body

tons of characters have similar powers
gambit and bishop have similar powers, are they rip offs of each other?
jean and professor have mind powers, are they rip offs of each other?
colossus and thing are both covered in a hard material, are they rip offs of each other?
what about mr fantastic and plastic man?
do i need to keep on going?


and why would you even think onslaught could work in this xmen movie
its supposed to be realistic
how realistic is professor and magnetos minds combining into one gigantic being, not very

[Ballistic Liz]

movies comic's wherever

human torch can turn into fire and use it at his dispense. Pyro can manipulate fire but doenst have a fire body

Those are two different things right there.

Plus Pyro is a mutant. Johnny hardly ever shows up in the comics X-universe.

And Pyro's death in the X-Comics was done very well.

Why complain? Really?:rolleyes:

There are only so many super-powers you can come up with. The good ones are LIMITED! That's why there are less good characters in comics beign introduced that are good, and Pyro is/was a pretty old character.

[Ballistic Liz]

jplayer i am with you, you people need to think outside the box. i think it would be a good idea!

I want Sentinal's WAY before any of the time villains... Mr. Sinister could be done well.

[Ballistic Liz]

isnt gambit one of the original xmen why isnt he getting his just due?

OK... that just made my lightbulb go off!

here's my list of the X-Men! *in the order they joined... missing ones that to me arn't inportant enough to mention*

1960's
*issues #1 to 94*


Angel
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Beast
Ice-Man

1970's

*issue's #94 to 130ish*


Wolverine
Storm
Nightcrawler
Banchee
Colossus

gap

*issues 130's to 160'ish*

Kitty Pryde

gap

*issue 170ish*

Rogue

gap

Rachel Summers

*issue 180's?*

gap


1980's



Betsy (Psyloke)

*issue 210'ish*

gap

*issue's 220-ish to 250 ish*

Longshot
Dazzler
Havok
Jubilee

gap

*issue 266*

GAMBIT!!!!!!!!!!!

gap

Bishop

*issue 270's or 280's??*

1990's

*others not important to last to the next decade*

Now, how is Gambit one of the ORIGINAL X-MEN?

And this freaking list is from my MEMORY!! You don't know squat!

BTW Notice where Bishop is on the list???

Peace out.

[Ballistic Liz]

no i havent read em as long as they have

Backissues and graphic novels are great that way. Ever heard of the Essenchail *yup miss-spelt* X-Men? It reprints all the uncanny issues #20 issues at a time in black and white with no ads.

I'd rec you to get those.

I started liking the X-Men from the original cartoon to, but I wasn't a kid when I first started watching them. Late-teens.

[chamber-music]

I know I am most likely gonna get dissed for this but I kinda think Ultimate Sinister could work in the movies as his more reality based than Victorian immortal scientist.
Althougth they should keep him albino.

[Valorman]

people someone lock this or something..please god just let it end

[Jplaya2023]

people someone lock this or something..please god just let it end

if u stop posting in the thread it will end.

[Demon Within]

Why end it? PUT APOCALYPSE IN THE MOVIE......GAMBIT IS IN WHY NOT HIM THIS ISNT FAIR MARVEL WTF OMG OMG OMG GAMBIT ISNT THAT COOL BUT HE GOT IN ANYWAY BLAH BLAH BLAH hope this thread lasts another week.

*enter every gambit fan in SHH*

[Ballistic Liz]

And you are sooooooooo cool! *LOL*

[OmegaRed243]

Well i think Omega Red would be awesome villian. If the brotherhood arent powerful enough just put in Omega Red.

[Jplaya2023]

Any update's on the possibility of adding these chars in here??

[aaron]

There'll be no updates

[The Apocalypse]

UPDATE: None of them are in the movie

[Jplaya2023]

UPDATE: None of them are in the movie

What about my sentinals, tell me they are included???

[MoiBijou]

Bishop "seems" to have a cameo in the funeral/memorial scene. He just "seems".

Apocalypse... I think it's a big NO, at least he's one of the surprises... what I think it's another big NO.

Gambit... *weeps*... just no.

[HughJackFan420]

I heard Gambit is going to be playing a small role, but why. He is one of the better X-men why have the flim directors left him off now 2 movies in a row, whats the problem?

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie. Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.

Where is Onslaught at????????? X3 better be big because the first 2 xmen were average at best

you sir are a jacka**

i mean how many characters do u really want to pack in this movie before it flops??? hmm?? and like Brett mentioned giving Gambit little screen time just to throw him in X3 for the fans sake is idiotic. Gambit has a great story to him so to do him justice i can see him coming in for X4. so i would wait if i were you...

Cable and Bisphop and Apoclayspe definelty have to wait. why throw the Dark Phoenix Saga and the Age of the Apoclaypse stories into one moive??? hmmm?? sounds stupid doesn't it?

[The Apocalypse]

Well you said gambit cable apoc in the title and I didn't feel like going though 7 pages of this but yeah the Sentinals are in from what we've heard

[Jplaya2023]

you sir are a jacka**

i mean how many characters do u really want to pack in this movie before it flops??? hmm?? and like Brett mentioned giving Gambit little screen time just to throw him in X3 for the fans sake is idiotic. Gambit has a great story to him so to do him justice i can see him coming in for X4. so i would wait if i were you...

Cable and Bisphop and Apoclayspe definelty have to wait. why throw the Dark Phoenix Saga and the Age of the Apoclaypse stories into one moive??? hmmm?? sounds stupid doesn't it?

Gambit, Along with logan and prof X are the staples that hold the xmen franchise togethor. Its idiotic to not have them included in the flim with how much they mean to the team.

I mean the first 2 movies were supbar and true xmen heads were furious and dissapointed. We wanted more chars, and better chars.

Replace toad, pyro, and maybe the blob for cable, bishop, apocoloyspe (sp) and Onslaught.

That would be one of the best movies ever.

[WorthyStevens]

Gambit, Along with logan and prof X are the staples that hold the xmen franchise togethor. Its idiotic to not have them included in the flim with how much they mean to the team.

I mean the first 2 movies were supbar and true xmen heads were furious and dissapointed. We wanted more chars, and better chars.

Replace toad, pyro, and maybe the blob for cable, bishop, apocoloyspe (sp) and Onslaught.

That would be one of the best movies ever.

Although I like Gambit, he does NOT hold the X-franchise together. The X-comics existed decades before he was even thought up.

The films did fine without Remy in them.

[HughJackFan420]

Gambit, Along with logan and prof X are the staples that hold the xmen franchise togethor. Its idiotic to not have them included in the flim with how much they mean to the team.

I mean the first 2 movies were supbar and true xmen heads were furious and dissapointed. We wanted more chars, and better chars.

Replace toad, pyro, and maybe the blob for cable, bishop, apocoloyspe (sp) and Onslaught.

That would be one of the best movies ever.

true but the characters u mentioned are somewhat introduced in the comics on different time lines.

apocalypse comes way later and i agree they should've had pyro and the blob in the first one. hell they could've kept toad but did a better job with him.

the movies were more than decent...they werer amazing even though some X Men comic book nerds got upset. but hey this movie isn't just for the comic nerds...its for movie goers everywhere

[Jplaya2023]

Although I like Gambit, he does NOT hold the X-franchise together. The X-comics existed decades before he was even thought up.

The films did fine without Remy in them.

the xmen franchise was faultering until the emergence of gambit

The movies were subpar and should of just been released to VHS. Come on over 50 xmen chars and villian and u only use like 7-8??? fugg outta here

[MoiBijou]

Gambit is an important character and he's got many fans (me among them)... but he doesn't hold the X-Franchise together: all the X-Men do that.

And Lightning should close this thread, it's very old and these things are being discussed in others places. :)

[HughJackFan420]

i can see them replacing Angel with Gambit for X4 and Angel turning into Archangel. even though if Angel turns into Archangel in X3 well at least we know what direction this series is headed. Age of the Apocalpse...

[Jplaya2023]

Gambit is an important character and he's got many fans (me among them)... but he doesn't hold the X-Franchise together: all the X-Men do that.

And Lightning should close this thread, it's very old and these things are being discussed in others places. :)

No he shouldnt leave it up lightning. The people need to vent and this is the place for it.

[The Apocalypse]

If you had Onslaught and Apoc in the same movie please tell me how you would write it up. It would make no sense as both characters have a lot of a backstory behind it. Doing a movie with Apoc would at least take a whole movie or even 2 if you want to get it down right.

With the cure plot and the Phoenix story in X-3 it would be hard for Gambit to just come in out of nowhere. It wouldn't make any sense.

[Jplaya2023]

If you had Onslaught and Apoc in the same movie please tell me how you would write it up. It would make no sense as both characters have a lot of a backstory behind it. Doing a movie with Apoc would at least take a whole movie or even 2 if you want to get it down right.

With the cure plot and the Phoenix story in X-3 it would be hard for Gambit to just come in out of nowhere. It wouldn't make any sense.

They would hint at it throughout the movie, have cut scenes to apoc building his fortress gathering power. Then you could start to see Prof X talk about the ultimate fusion, with him losing his grip on what's right and whats wrong. Will they ever respect the mutants and let them help the people or would they just push them away. His frustration and anger eventually would lead to have and magneto having secret meetings discussing their continguency plan.

Gambit could come back from an assignment and use a crazt plot line to get himself in the thick of the movie

[WorthyStevens]

No he shouldnt leave it up lightning. The people need to vent and this is the place for it.

Vent about what?

[Jplaya2023]

Vent about what?

The travesty of not having these A list chars in the movie

[WorthyStevens]

The travesty of not having these A list chars in the movie

A-list characters?

[Jplaya2023]

A-list characters?

the best of the best, the crim de la crim

[WorthyStevens]

The movie's packed enough as it is.

[Jplaya2023]

The movie's packed enough as it is.

With B and C listers not enough A listers

[the Firestarter]

other than gambit all of those characters would not fit into the scope of the currrent trilogy. time travel would be too far-fetched to fit into the reality based mood of the current series. also adding apocalypse, a character that has been alive for several thousand years might be a bit too much to swallow at this stage of the game... and it cast a shadow on the dark pheonix character, one that is to be perceived as the next leap in mutant evolution.

[HughJackFan420]

They would hint at it throughout the movie, have cut scenes to apoc building his fortress gathering power. Then you could start to see Prof X talk about the ultimate fusion, with him losing his grip on what's right and whats wrong. Will they ever respect the mutants and let them help the people or would they just push them away. His frustration and anger eventually would lead to have and magneto having secret meetings discussing their continguency plan.

Gambit could come back from an assignment and use a crazt plot line to get himself in the thick of the movie

uhhhh no...one comic book story at a time

yeah thats a great idea J"PLAYA" why don't we cram both the Phoenix Saga and the Age of the Apocalypse into a 2 hour movie and at the end Apocalypse and Phoenix get married and live in his fortress happily ever after....pssssh yea right

think about what your saying...

[xwolverine2]

LOL...i couldnt help but giggle when i read the title to this thread...

might as well entitled it "i want a pony!!"

[cookiva]

With B and C listers not enough A listers

Wolverine
Jean
Cyke
Xavier
Beast
Angel
Iceman
Kitty
Colossus
Magneto
Juggernaut
Pyro


You want MORE?

[kytrigger]

The movies were subpar and should of just been released to VHS. Come on over 50 xmen chars and villian and u only use like 7-8??? fugg outta here

Did I seriously just read this correctly, or am I just going "******g" crazy?

[Jplaya2023]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

[PWN3R]

I thought this thread was dead...

and yes, I want a pony!

[WorthyStevens]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

If you think any of those guys are 'higher up' than Cook's list, you are sadly, sadly mistaken. :o

[cookiva]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

Oh, so you have never read the comics, eh? You only saw the cartoons, right? If you think Iceman is a B lister, and Angel and Kitty C and D listers, then get the **** outta here....

[MoiBijou]

Mmm, just waiting for the lightning to break... http://216.32.95.41/images/smilies/wave.gif

Geez, I'm a Gambit fan and I like Bishop but I think they deserve a whole movie to be developed, and this movie is too crowded to make those guy to shine.

About your list... dude, you're SO, but SO wrong...

[PWN3R]

Oh, so you have never read the comics, eh? You only saw the cartoons, right? If you think Iceman is a B lister, and Angel and Kitty C and D listers, then get the **** outta here....

I second that....

[cookiva]

Mmm, just waiting for the lightning to break... http://216.32.95.41/images/smilies/wave.gif



I second that one...

[kytrigger]

Oh, so you have never read the comics, eh? You only saw the cartoons, right? If you think Iceman is a B lister, and Angel and Kitty C and D listers, then get the **** outta here....

Actually I'm not sure he watched the series either. I think he just played the arcade game (which was awesome btw)

[KingOfDreams]

I'd like to see Bishop, Gambit and Apocalypse but Bishop's origin would have to reworked because it's too complicated for one film where he's not the sole main character. Gambit could have been fit in easily. Same with Apocalypse I think. Cable is a pretty big part of Apocalypse's history (or visa versa rather) but I still don't think he's necessary. And again, his origin is too complicated, just like Bishop's. And actually, Apocalypse wouldn't really fit the tone of the X-Men movies so far. He's a bit to "fantastical" I guess you'd say.

[JP]

Oh God.. Jplaya is back. :(

Go back to the Batman boards. :mad:

[The Apocalypse]

Well at least we know if J Playa was making the movie it would prolly suck

[the Firestarter]

a new trilogy involving apocalypse, sinister, cable, and bishop would be better than trying to squeeze that storyline into this arc. i would love to see another trilogy centered around the 2nd generation mutants, touching upon the morlock massacre with sinister behind it, introducing gambit as rogues new love interest, and ending with a final confrontation with apocalypse. throw in a bit of the hellfire club (being manipulated by apocalypse) and you've got a new series.... one that is a bit less reality based, but one where the scope is a bit more epic.

[Mr Sensitive]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.


Don't drink and write.

[HughJackFan420]

someone destroy this thread

[WorthyStevens]

Don't drink and write.

Or better yet, don't drink or write. ;)

[Mr. Socko]

Bishop may come later, same for Gambit. But I pray they're saving Apocolyspe for later, maybe the 4th if there is one.

[-Æ-]

cheers to the Apocolyspe

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You've gotta be kidding me.

[jmao]

i dont know if bishop will be in any cause the whole... coming from the future seems pretty lame...if gambit is in x3... its obvious hes going to lead some badguys to the morlocks... and possibly save marrow... thatll probably be the end of his appearance...

[Specter313]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

[Jplaya2023]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You've gotta be kidding me.

No im quite serious C and D listers shouldnt be in movie's period

[Specter313]

i dont know if bishop will be in any cause the whole... coming from the future seems pretty lame...if gambit is in x3... its obvious hes going to lead some badguys to the morlocks... and possibly save marrow... thatll probably be the end of his appearance...

Gambit's not in, so don't worry.

[Specter313]

No im quite serious C and D listers shouldnt be in movie's period

Then you're a serious fool if you think that those are C and D list characters.

[LittleMissVixen]

No im quite serious C and D listers shouldnt be in movie's period


yeah...C and D listers according to your backwards logic.

[WorthyStevens]

No im quite serious C and D listers shouldnt be in movie's period

Then you'll never see Apocalypse in a movie. :o

[PWN3R]

No im quite serious C and D listers shouldnt be in movie's period

Wow....dude...you amaze me.

[JP]

Then you'll never see Apocalypse in a movie. :o

Exactly. Apacolypse A list? Hell know.

Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman and Angel. Thats the original team, and the true A-listers. Thy're all in X3. Over time Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, and Kitty have joined there ranks. They are also in X3.

Magneto and Mystique are both A-list baddies in the majority of X-fans book.

Jplaya, the only 'A' lister you mentioned so far is Gambit. The others are B and C characters.

[Jplaya2023]

Look peeps im sorry if im being a little harsh but its the reality. In order to have a successful movie like batman and spiderman you need your A list heroes/villians to make it all work. Xmen is doing us fans a big disservice with leaving out people whose made the Xmen franchise what it is today, and adding people who are unknowns

[Norkie]

Then you're a serious fool if you think that those are C and D list characters.

I agree.

[WorthyStevens]

Look peeps im sorry if im being a little harsh but its the reality. In order to have a successful movie like batman and spiderman you need your A list heroes/villians to make it all work. Xmen is doing us fans a big disservice with leaving out people whose made the Xmen franchise what it is today, and adding people who are unknowns

Reality? No. You've very much misunderstood this whole franchise. :o

The X-Men are successful not because of the characters, but because of it's themes and struggles. The X-Men is about people whose differences seperate them from the rest of the world, and the prejudices that they face for those differences. Which isn't too different from the prejudices of our world. Because of that, many people can respond to that, and the X-Men speak to them perfectly.

Sure, it has cool characters, and awesome storylines, but that's not the appeal of X-Men, atleast not to me it isn't. It's the fact that anybody who has faced prejudices in their lives, or those who just feel outcasted, can relate to these comics.

THAT is what makes the X-Men successful. THAT is what has made the X-Men what it is today.

[lordofthenerds]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.
Um... what the hell? So you just want Xavier, Magneto, and the Age of Apocolypse? That would suck testies really bad.

[onejeremytogo]

I freaking hope Cable isn't in any movie. You seem to have no concept of what makes a good movie, the first two were great. You can't have time-traveling characters or weird crap like that. Apocalypse would be cool, but they would have to change a lot of his story to be realistic in the movies. I don't like to stereotype anyone to this but... FANBOY!Hey! There's nothing wrong with a fanboy. On another note. I also hope Cable isn't in this movie. It would be way too much to explain. Apocalypse however would be awesome if done right.

[Hellion]

No Apocalypse, the character is too over the top...


I think Sinister (w/ Marauders, Nasty Boys) could be cool if done right.


Villains I wish would appear...the Hellfire Club!:(

[bored]

Guys, it's just Jplaya. Nobody is required to take what he says seriously. The fact that he really did post here amuses me, though, for reasons I shan't go in to.

[WalkingDead]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

This is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time...no offense, but let's relook at this list here...
If you go by the comics All the X-Men in that list are A-Listers that have kept the X-Men going. And Cable is NOT an A-List character for X-Men, for X-Force, yes. Angel was part of the Original X-Men...Cyclops and Jean are A-Listers no matter what as well. Beast is an Original X-Man and will never be less than an A-Lister.

I find your thoughts on what would make a good X-Film totally unfocused and too fanboy-ish to truly work out on film.
Apocalypse would take a minimum of 1-2 movies to get anything half-way thought out well. Also Onslaught? Come on...sorry if that's like a great big fan character of yours but that just wouldn't work with this current Movie Universe.

Gambit while popular and a cool character is not one of the major things that will always hold the X-Men together. Gambit alone didn't resurrect the X-Men comics, nor did make it totally fresh and amazing...he's a great character, but come on, you're letting your fanboy mind control your thinking process here.

[WalkingDead]

Look peeps im sorry if im being a little harsh but its the reality. In order to have a successful movie like batman and spiderman you need your A list heroes/villians to make it all work. Xmen is doing us fans a big disservice with leaving out people whose made the Xmen franchise what it is today, and adding people who are unknowns

What the f*** man?

Okay, everyone has there favorite characters and storylines, this I can respect, but are you evne listening to yourself?

Apocalypse is NOT (in most people's opinion) an A-List Villain for the X-Men. (this is debateable)
Cable is NOT an A-List X-Man.
Gambit IS A-List, but he didn't make the cut THIS time.

Don't even get me started on Onslaught!

Dude, seriously your fanboy dreams are clouding your judgment on what makes a good film and great characters.

[X-Maniac]

Yes,a lot of fanboy shrieking here....

But I'd still have liked Bishop, reimagined as an energy-absorbing cop whose power includes the absorption of 'chronal energy' (= time) and thus has flashes of the planet's terrible future with Dark Phoenix or whatever other threats they face (cure, Sentinels).

I'd have also liked to see Gambit, as a villain who ended up fighting Wolverine and charging his metal skeleton. I think he COULD have served the story very well, but I can understand too why they might want to showcase him in another movie and not let him take any of the limelight created for Beast, Angel, Juggernaut and any other new characters.

[WalkingDead]

Yes,a lot of fanboy shrieking here....

But I'd still have liked Bishop, reimagined as an energy-absorbing cop whose power includes the absorption of 'chronal energy' (= time) and thus has flashes of the planet's terrible future with Dark Phoenix or whatever other threats they face (cure, Sentinels).

I'd have also liked to see Gambit, as a villain who ended up fighting Wolverine and charging his metal skeleton. I think he COULD have served the story very well, but I can understand too why they might want to showcase him in another movie and not let him take any of the limelight created for Beast, Angel, Juggernaut and any other new characters.

I'm totally fine with having fanboy hopes and dreams...like mine for having Colossus and Kitty eventually starting a relationship in X3...but I don't think that's gonna happen, nor would I want that to happen if it was bad for the overall story of the X-Films. I just think some people can't get over their fanboy/girl wanking to move on with stuff that fits in a story and helps shape up a reliable and well-thought out storyline and characters.

[lazerustheduck]

I love the logic apocalypse A list, the man who was a founding member of the X-men and was chosen by old Apcalypso himself to be the angel of death D list? He has been in more major plot lines than Gambit and Bishop combined. Get your priorities straight please.

[Chasers1984(2)]

Wolverine A list
Jean B list
Cyke B list
Xavier A list
Beast C list
Angel D list
Iceman B list
Kitty C list
Colossus B list
Magneto A list
Juggernaut B list
Pyro C list


You want MORE?

I want a list chars not these C's and D lister's

give me gambit, sentinals, apocolyspe, bishop, sabertooth, those guns in the motor cars like in xmen the arcade game. Those egyption pharoah's that are in xmen the arcade game.

I just threw up in my mouth, stan lee died and rolled over in his grave, and God completely gave up all hope for mankind. Thank you.


Oh and on the whole Onslaught thing. There's a reason that it's NEVER mentioned in the comics anymore.... EVER... It's kind of like the Clone Saga and Sins of Future Past. You just don't do that...

[Lightning Strykez!]

you sir are a jacka**


I've given you a few warnings now about flaming other posters whether you agree with their opinions or not. Apparently, you're not taking those warnings seriously, so how about some time off to reconsider?

[Jolly Juggler]

I heard Gambit is going to be playing a small role, but why. He is one of the better X-men why have the flim directors left him off now 2 movies in a row, whats the problem?

Where Bishop Or Cable, some of the Xmen's greatest friends/foes where is their place in the movie.

Finally apocolyspe, their greatest foe of all most powerful being in the xmen world why isnt he in the movie. Magneto is a good villian, but that frog toad, that fire guy, and those other villians dont cut it.

Where is Onslaught at????????? X3 better be big because the first 2 xmen were average at best

ENOUGH WITH THE GAMBIT. >< He's not IN IT.

Bishop, Cable, and Onslaught, they can't have EVERY character in X-men, you'd spend the whole film learning who they were.

Pyro and Toad are pretty cool. Plus they have a much cooler plot then they would have with Apocolypse. This time they have to deal with Pheonix, Magneto, AND Humanity's 'cure' for mutation. With Apocolypse they'd probably team up with Mags and fight him, eventually beating him in the end.

Don't diss TOAD. ><

[DrChronic]

Ok lets go over the characters... Ive said this before about these characters there too big to have small rolls.

With Gambit, he needs to be a focus character of lets say X-Men 4 introduced but is well liked.

Cable is possible but this would only happen in like say between x-men 4 to x6, if phoenix and cyclops die in this movie then i surpose it could be written that they return with a kid aged around 10ish which would become Cable in the future. Other than that Cable i dont think will work.

Bishop also difficult but you would have to change his story, like gambit he would be a big character to add to the future story arch, Say like sentinals going out of hand a tramp on the streets aka Bishop forsees the future events and believes the x-men are to blame.

Apocaylpse, ok now he is someone who needs a trilogy of movies towards him, if he should be in the x-men arch, they should incorporate him in like x4 to x6 with the final x6 being his grand enterance but the other two movies featuring parts of his story.