The Official Pirates of the Caribbean 2 Picture, News and Information Thread!

[terry78]

^Possible. Also could have known that the ring has powers.

[블라스]

I really feel like I'm watching stuff like Indiana Jones and Back To The Future again when I watch these movies. Does anyone else agree? Very few movies make me feel like this these days.

I think the Pirates movies prove that we can have quality summer blockbusters.

We also shouldn't accept blockbuster trash like Fantastic Four either.

I guess you're talking about POTC?
I haven't seen the second one (I think it will open this Friday here in stupid Mexico), but yeah, I get the exact same feeling of sheer adventure and pure fun that I get with Indy and BTTF :up:

[블라스]

I'm not saying who's wrong or who's right, but it's so sad that stuff like this ALWAYS happens after a movie/play/book/whatever is successful...

'Pirates' Movie Producers Sued by Screenwriter


The global success of the Pirates Of The Caribbean sequel has been tainted by a Hollywood screenwriter, who claims the whole idea for the franchise was his. The megahit, Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, smashed box office records in eight territories - including America and the UK - over the weekend, but writer Royce Mathew is keen to halt the celebrations. He claims he created "drawings" and a "screenplay" for a project he called Supernatural Pirate Movie - and now he fears his ideas have been turned into a Disney blockbuster. Royce states he even called the pirate ship in his film treatment the Black Pearl - the same name used for Johnny Depp's craft, and the subtitle for the original film. And he also created a lead characters called Will Turner - the same name as Orlando Bloom's swashbuckler in the Disney films - and Elizabeth - the Christian name of Keira Knightley's character. The screenwriter insists he registered the drawings and his screenplay with the US Copyright Office, and is now suing the The Walt Disney Company, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Touchstone Home Video and producer Jerry Bruckheimer, claiming movie bosses used his ideas as a blueprint for the Pirates of The Caribbean films.

http://imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-07-12/#3

[Backdrifter]

I'm not saying who's wrong or who's right, but it's so sad that stuff like this ALWAYS happens after a movie/play/book/whatever is successful...

'Pirates' Movie Producers Sued by Screenwriter


The global success of the Pirates Of The Caribbean sequel has been tainted by a Hollywood screenwriter, who claims the whole idea for the franchise was his. The megahit, Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, smashed box office records in eight territories - including America and the UK - over the weekend, but writer Royce Mathew is keen to halt the celebrations. He claims he created "drawings" and a "screenplay" for a project he called Supernatural Pirate Movie - and now he fears his ideas have been turned into a Disney blockbuster. Royce states he even called the pirate ship in his film treatment the Black Pearl - the same name used for Johnny Depp's craft, and the subtitle for the original film. And he also created a lead characters called Will Turner - the same name as Orlando Bloom's swashbuckler in the Disney films - and Elizabeth - the Christian name of Keira Knightley's character. The screenwriter insists he registered the drawings and his screenplay with the US Copyright Office, and is now suing the The Walt Disney Company, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Touchstone Home Video and producer Jerry Bruckheimer, claiming movie bosses used his ideas as a blueprint for the Pirates of The Caribbean films.

http://imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-07-12/#3
Knowing the writers, I doubt there is any legitimancy to this guys claims.

Steal this Column
Screenwriting Column 04
by Terry Rossio

This really happened.
I met a guy in one of the AOL chat rooms. He works in town as a stunt man, which I thought was cool, and he thought it was cool that I work as a screenwriter. Turned out that just as everyone in Los Angeles is supposed to have a screenplay, he had his, and he wanted me to read it.
The concept sounded decent, worth reading, worth taking the time to fight cross-town traffic and meet in a dim, crowded bar. I'd asked him to send the script in the mail, but he didn't want to. "After all," he said over the phone, "I don't really know who you are. We met by chance on the computer. How do I know if you're trustworthy?"
So, hey, cool, we met for lunch, partly for him to get to know me, but mainly for me to pick up his script to read. After the usual chit-chat, he handed the script over. I asked if he intended it as a writing sample or a spec script. He looked confused.
I explained that some writers used their work as writing samples to target writing assignments, while others are more focused on trying for the big bidding-war-type spec-script sale.
"Oh," he said. "I don't really want to be a screenwriter, I figure it's just a good way for me to break into the business."
That's red flag number one, for those of you keeping score at home.
I glanced at the date on the script: some month in mid-1990. I asked him about it.
"Yeah," he said sheepishly. "You wouldn't believe how many times I've re-written this thing."
Red flag number two, and a biggie -- the Writer Who Gets Obsessed With One Single Pet Idea.
"But I do have another concept, if you're interested," he said, and proceeded to describe a murder-mystery plot involving identical triplets. Meanwhile, I glanced at the first page of the script. Wrong format, of course. Wrong typeface, wrong layout. Red flags everywhere, snapping in the breeze.
He noticed my perusal of his script. "By the way, the ending on that version really sucks," he cautioned. "I've written a whole new act three that's a lot better."
My confusion must have showed. "I'm curious," I said uncertainly, "why I've just been given the bad version."
He gave me a sly look. "I really don't know anything about you. If you decide to steal this, then at least I know you're stealing the version that sucks."
Yup, really happened, swear to God.
Now, this writer was obviously doing a lot of things wrong, several of which could conceivably provide inspiration for a column. But I want to focus on just one misstep: his fear that someone in Hollywood was going to rip off his great screenplay.
The topic, if you haven't guessed already, is plagiarism.



The sooner it's written, the sooner it can be registered and protected. And all the better to head off Michael Crichton's version of it anyway.


To get noticed, you've got to put your work out there, but the more you put it out there, the less you can control -- or even document -- who has access to it. And the better your screenplay is, the quicker those copy machines gear up, and the faster the sucker get spread out all over town.
So how can you protect yourself?
First, a quick run-through of the basics: yes, register your screenplay with the Writer's Guild. First drafts preferred -- you can always add the revised versions as you go along. Yes, keep track of all submissions, log phone calls, and maintain a paper trail whenever possible. No, you don't have to register the script to copyright it -- or put that cute little © on it -- legally, it's copyrighted the second you write it. Yes, there are advantages to registration with the U.S. Copyright Office; it establishes a public record, and in an infringement suit, allows you to sue for statutory damages and attorney's fees. No, you can't copyright a title -- but titles can be trademarked, and the MPAA has a way of registering intended use of a title, if you're at all close to production. Yes, there is the persistent rumor that you send a copy of your screenplay by registered mail and not open it to insure the date of authorship, but no, I've never heard of anyone actually doing this. Yes, there are other registration services than the Writer's Guild that are faster, cheaper, and more convenient. But I always figured hell, I may not be in the Guild, but at least I can register my scripts there. And finally... No, I'm not a lawyer, so don't believe any of this without further confirmation, it may all be completely wrong and please don't sue me.
There's most of the good advice you can probably get from any number of sources. The Writer's Guild, for example, has a brochure on plagiarism that's quite good, highly recommended.
Now I'd like to add another idea. As Paul Harvey would intone, here's the rest of the story.
The screenwriter who gave me the 'bad' version of his script to read was making a classic error. He got it exactly wrong. He was being overly protective of his screenplay -- and openly forthcoming with his story ideas. Remember his pitch, the murder-mystery involving identical triplets? According to him, that was his next project, his next best idea. It also happened to be unregistered, unprotected and undocumented. There is no record of our meeting on it. And he didn't even follow up with a letter stating, "Thank you for allowing me to present my concept concerning the triplets murder mystery."
This suspicious fellow left his best idea just sitting there, ready for the taking.
As a writer, you should know that your concepts are far more vulnerable than your screenplay. Because really, nobody in Hollywood steals screenplays anyway. It's usually easier to just buy the damn thing.
Think about it. Imagine a writer has sent a finished script to an unscrupulous producer. The producer says, "Aha! Great screenplay. But I won't buy it -- I'll steal it instead!"
Okay, so now the producer has a stolen movie idea, some characters to re-name, maybe even some kind of loose structure. Next step, he's got to find a writer to write this faux screenplay.
No problem -- he just reads lots of scripts, conducts interviews, hoping to find a decent writer who'll write the thing the way he wants to see it. And whose fee isn't way beyond what it would have cost to buy the original screenplay in the first place.
But before any writing happens, the producer must negotiate the writer's deal, and perhaps wait for that writer's availability. Finally, the writer starts writing. Six months later he turns in something that may or may not be a good execution of the stolen idea.
And for all this, what has the producer gained? The potential for a lawsuit, and the dubious value of arriving second place to the marketplace with the original idea.
Uh-uh. No, your average Hollywood producer or studio executive would rather buy your script if they love it enough to steal -- and then ruin it on the way to production. (Typical of the writer's fate in Hollywood -- you still get screwed, but at least you get paid.)
Another danger is that the producer will wake up in the middle of the night six weeks after rejecting your pitch, yelling "I've got it! Murder mystery! Triplets! It's never been done!"
My last few columns have dealt with the importance of finding that great screenplay concept. Let's say you've got one. So how do you protect it once you've found it?

WRITE THE DAMN THING. The sooner it's written, the sooner it can be registered and protected. And all the better to head off Michael Crichton's version of it, anyway.

DON'T TELL. No matter how tempting it is to blurt out your brilliance, the safest bet is to keep mum. To producers, directors, executives, assistants -- and especially other writers. This carries an added advantage. Some writer, I forget who, held the policy of "only tell your story on paper." He maintained that when he told the story verbally, his need to communicate it was satisfied, and he'd lose the impulse to write it. I'm inclined to agree.

SEND A FOLLOW-UP LETTER. If you choose to pitch the idea for whatever reason, send a follow-up letter that details what concepts were discussed. This is also a handy way to keep track of people and dates as well.

Oh -- I nearly forgot. The fellow's script, the one with the bad version of Act III. It's currently at the bottom of the to-read pile, and I don't know when -- or if -- I'll get to it. And it's pretty certain I'll never get to read his supposed good version.
That's okay. I'm busy on a new idea, anyway. A murder mystery involving triplets, of course.
Remember -- the best time to protect your screenplay is before you write it.

[Sabretooth]

Man,POTC2 was incredible.:up:

And as for that idiot suing the producers. Okay,where was he when the first one came out? I think he's looking for attention is all...

[블라스]

For the 3 or 4 of you that are interested in Stunts and Fight Chorepgraphy like me...

Stunts and Swords Featurette (http://progressive.playstream.com/screenplay/progressive/279/e27988_b28.mov)

[WorthyStevens]

$135 million OW, and a couple days later the guy suddenly makes a claim that Disney stole his ideas...

[Savage]

I really feel like I'm watching stuff like Indiana Jones and Back To The Future again when I watch these movies. Does anyone else agree? Very few movies make me feel like this these days.

I think the Pirates movies prove that we can have quality summer blockbusters.

We also shouldn't accept blockbuster trash like Fantastic Four either.
Exactly the same thing ran through my mind.

[TheVileOne]

It sounds like another frivolous money grab to me. Rossio and Elliott didn't even come on the project as writers until later.

[The Amazing Lee]

It was ok...but nothing special.

[mathhater]

^ Yeah...overrated, big time. Definitely shouldn't have beaten Spidey's records.

[kytrigger]

Now I've never been to the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction at Disney World, but isn't the story based off of that? Does that attraction have Sparrow and the Black Pearl actually in it, or were they concieved for the movie only? If they are actually in the attraction (and have been for a while) then this might be the stupidest lawsuit in a long time.

[Flexo]

Now I've never been to the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction at Disney World, but isn't the story based off of that? Does that attraction have Sparrow and the Black Pearl actually in it, or were they concieved for the movie only? If they are actually in the attraction (and have been for a while) then this might be the stupidest lawsuit in a long time.

Jack Sparrow was added to the ride only after the movie came out, although the movie is technically based on the ride.

[zer00]

^ Yeah...overrated, big time. Definitely shouldn't have beaten Spidey's records.

Okay let me do "the talk" again.

*cracks knuckles*

Let me explain what overrated is.

Titanic is the highest grossing thing ever. correct? It's said to be better than God. But! the mass majority of people hate it with a passion.

POTC 1 and 2. Some say they're overrated. But! The mass majority loves the films.

Titanic is overrated because there is only a minority of people who like it but it's known to be so much better than it is.

POTC is not overrated because there's only a minorty who dislikes it.

Not saying you can't dislike it. But overrated it is not.

[Flexo]

Okay let me do "the talk" again.

*cracks knuckles*

Let me explain what overrated is.

Titanic is the highest grossing thing ever. correct? It's said to be better than God. But! the mass majority of people hate it with a passion.

POTC 1 and 2. Some say they're overrated. But! The mass majority loves the films.

Titanic is overrated because there is only a minority of people who like it but it's known to be so much better than it is.

POTC is not overrated because there's only a minorty who dislikes it.

Not saying you can't dislike it. But overrated it is not.

Zer00... you're making sense. TOO much sense. You're a warlock! :mad:

[zer00]

Jesus I wish I was a warlock

and made of wood

[Flexo]

Jesus I wish I was a warlock

and made of wood

Yeah, I kn-

Wait... what?

I could understand tin foil, or rubber, but wood?

[zer00]

You have your dreams and I'll have mine.

[mathhater]

Okay let me do "the talk" again.

*cracks knuckles*

Let me explain what overrated is.

Titanic is the highest grossing thing ever. correct? It's said to be better than God. But! the mass majority of people hate it with a passion.

POTC 1 and 2. Some say they're overrated. But! The mass majority loves the films.

Titanic is overrated because there is only a minority of people who like it but it's known to be so much better than it is.

POTC is not overrated because there's only a minorty who dislikes it.

Not saying you can't dislike it. But overrated it is not.

Fair enough...I just meant that I personally don't feel it's deserving of it's achievements...it's still a fine movie...but not "kicks Spidey's a$$" good.

By the way...your avy?...freakin' awesome...:up:

[zer00]

Fair enough...I just meant that I personally don't feel it's deserving of it's achievements...it's still a fine movie, but not "kicks Spidey's a$$" good.

By the way...your avy?...freakin' awesome...:up:

Thank you. I'm quote proud of it.

...google Scar13

....you will not regret it

[mathhater]

Thank you. I'm quote proud of it.

...google Scar13

....you will not regret it

Thank you, sir!

[zer00]

It's what I do. I bring porn to the people.

[PowersOfMind]

Okay let me do "the talk" again.

*cracks knuckles*

Let me explain what overrated is.

Titanic is the highest grossing thing ever. correct? It's said to be better than God. But! the mass majority of people hate it with a passion.

POTC 1 and 2. Some say they're overrated. But! The mass majority loves the films.

Titanic is overrated because there is only a minority of people who like it but it's known to be so much better than it is.

POTC is not overrated because there's only a minorty who dislikes it.

Not saying you can't dislike it. But overrated it is not.

*claps*

You really are making too much sense.:up:

[Cinemaman]

Well, I doubt POTC2 will make Titanic's numbers.

I think it will make $850-900m in worldwide.

As I think, it will get to $880m.

[zer00]

Well, I doubt POTC2 will make Titanic's numbers.

I think it will make $850-900m in worldwide.

As I think, it will get to $880m.

That's not what I said my russian friend.

[블라스]

Saying that saying that saying that something is overrated is overrated is overrated.

[Cinemaman]

That's not what I said my russian friend.

Well, I am not russian, I just live in Russia for some time.

[Sabretooth]

Saying that saying that saying that something is overrated is overrated is overrated.
Damn Gammy.:(

[zer00]

Saying that saying that saying that something is overrated is overrated is overrated.
shhhh

[WorthyStevens]

Tuesday's numbers: $15,731,919 for a 5 day total of $169,506,744.

POTC2 also breaks the record for highest gross on a Tuesday.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

[TheVileOne]

I think the weekday numbers are indicative that the movie has BO staying power (UNLIKE Superman Returns).

It's going to top the domestic gross for Pirates easily. I'll say in the $350-400 range for now. But it could end up being higher.

[Cinemaman]

My forecast is $371m domesticly and $512m in overseas.

[블라스]

Mexicans loved POTC.
Mexicans will love POTC2, yay!
Can't wait for the film to open here.
Most people can't, actually.

[Asteroid-Man]

Portuguese will either love it or be ashamed :D They started the whole Pirates thing! God I love them

[Cinemaman]

Russian girls destroyed my location thaetre :( :mad: :D

[Asteroid-Man]

http://i75.imagethrust.com/i/486524/skypotc3sign.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/HalfBlo0DPRINC3/potc3_still_05.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/HalfBlo0DPRINC3/potc3jack7.jpg
One picture may have been fake, but how do you explain three, all from different angles???

[ampersand]

Easily, some guy made that costume and took pictures of himself or someone else wearing it then photoshopped johnny depp's head in. The third one looks especially fake.

[zer00]

The Lengths some people will go through:(

[Nebins]

Do some people really think those are fake? Yeah some look fake but that is because there is no other skin to be seen other than his face against his dark costume. It makes it look out of place. With 3 pictures it is hard to say they are fake.

[BloodyWolverine]

I think most people are confused because jack looks kinda mad a little bit. You expect to see Jack in a strange shot or some funny moment. To me his expression seems grim. Maybe he comes back a bit mad about being betrayed by Elizabeth or the fact Tia promised Barbossa the Pearl. Its definately Jack in teh fron pictures for you can see Jacks compass. His same pistol and sword thatw asn't made out of wood.

[Trainwreck2100]

It is fake, look just compare the compasses on the first and third picture.

[spideylover89]

A supposed teaser poster for 3 has surfaced. If it's real then it's safe to assume those photos of Jack are real as well.
http://www.jacksparrow.jp/archives/potc3teaser2.jpg

[Red Mask]

http://i75.imagethrust.com/i/486524/skypotc3sign.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/HalfBlo0DPRINC3/potc3_still_05.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/HalfBlo0DPRINC3/potc3jack7.jpg
One picture may have been fake, but how do you explain three, all from different angles???

Okay, so they do go to the East and beyond. How are they getting there?

[spideylover89]

A ship what else? :confused:

[Red Mask]

A ship what else? :confused:

Okay, they get a ship - probably stolen - but will they be chased? As far as Beckett and Davey Jones are concerned they are of no matter. So will they just appear in the later part of part 3? What are they hoping to find at 'World's End'? The Gates of the Underworld? Something than can make Davey Jones return Jack and the Black Pearl? What threat does Sao Feng, played by Chow Yun Fat, pose to the heroes?

[BloodyWolverine]

From what i am understanding is that Sae Feng has teh chrats to were they need to go. To find Jack and the Pearl who is in Davy Jones locker which is at the ends of the earth. Barbossa is leading them to there. To Jack its like a desert beach with lots of crabs. This purgatory place. These are rumors really until we see a trailer or a possitive real plot summery.

[Trainwreck2100]

when's the third one coming out?

[War Party]

Memorial Day weekend I believe. Not sure.

[Cmill216]

when's the third one coming out?

05/25/07

[kainedamo]

Seriously. How in the flying heck?

The first one is entertaining enough. Nothing special. For some reason you have these rabid fans that think it was the greatest thing ever. I just think it's an entertaining movie.

And the sequel comes out, and all of these records are broken. How??? Marketing?? I don't think so really. I just don't get it. Repeat viewings is one reason why a movie would get such high viewings, but the sequel is so... dull and long, in my personal opinion. I'm not alone in that opinion either. I just don't understand it. There is nothing special about Pirates Of The Carribean at all. I feel like people go to see these movies more for Johnny Depp and the character he plays more than anything else. "Captain Jack Sparrow sure does have great one liners!!".

*mind boggles*

[War Party]

It boggled my mind when Shrek 2 made so much money. There is nothing special about Shrek in my opinion. But I enjoyed DMC. People love Pirates in general.

[kainedamo]

I'd take Shrek over POTC. Shrek is a much better family movie experience.

POTC just has such a rediculous and convoluted plot. The only thing that keeps the movie going is one liners and action.

[Joker]

dude...it's PIRATES...I'll watch anything with Pirates in it that doesnt totally suck...plus, unlike alot of stuff that's been out recently, PotC is actually a fun movie to watch, it's not trying to be dark or myterious or scary, or even that deep...it's just fun,and I think that's a great change of pace, and I can definitly see the appeal of it, when we seem to be getting bombarded constantly with either gross out comedys, crappy horror movie, or this weeks remake of movie nobody saw the god damn first time...

[War Party]

dude...it's PIRATES...I'll watch anything with Pirates in it that doesnt totally suck...plus, unlike alot of stuff that's been out recently, PotC is actually a fun movie to watch, it's not trying to be dark or myterious or scary, or even that deep...it's just fun,and I think that's a great change of pace, and I can definitly see the appeal of it, when we seem to be getting bombarded constantly with either gross out comedys, crappy horror movie, or this weeks remake of movie nobody saw the god damn first time...

I agree.

[tzarinna]

POTC has it all wrapped in one movie :up:

I wasn't a fan of the first one but I will watch it again to put some stuff together I may have missed before.

[Merryweather]

I heard that Keith Richards is going to participate in the third one, but it's indefinite. if he's going to play anything, i wonder what character he'll be playing.. I can't wait to see the next movie. i bet it'll be good.

On another note, I'm curious if anyone here has heard the Dead Man's Chest soundtrack.. I was listening to a few songs from there on Naspterlinks the other day. I was quite impressed with Zimmer's compositions. If you guys have listened to it, what do you guys think of it?

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest by Hans Zimmer : http://www.napster.com/player/album/12182840

[zer00]

I heard that Keith Richards is going to participate in the third one, but it's indefinite. if he's going to play anything, i wonder what character he'll be playing.. I can't wait to see the next movie. i bet it'll be good.

On another note, I'm curious if anyone here has heard the Dead Man's Chest soundtrack.. I was listening to a few songs from there on Naspterlinks the other day. I was quite impressed with Zimmer's compositions. If you guys have listened to it, what do you guys think of it?

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest by Hans Zimmer : http://www.napster.com/player/album/12182840

Richars is playing Jack's father in a small cameo.

[warpdrive]

my computer is being annoying, so I wasn't able to here the soundtrack. Looking forward to the third movie though

[Kaboom]

Avast me hearties! Pirates horde the buried treasure!

[Mr. Credible]

I'd take Shrek over POTC. Shrek is a much better family movie experience.

POTC just has such a rediculous and convoluted plot. The only thing that keeps the movie going is one liners and action.

and there isn't even any action until the end of the movie (unless you count the 2 minute bar-room brawl something like an hour and a half into the movie)

honestly, i knew this movie would do well at the box office, but it doesn't deserve to do this well. it's a mediocre film at best.

[Erzengel]

I wasn't a huge fan of the first one. I found it enjoyable and fun. It was a summer blockbuster that allowed you just to have fun and not think. I was honestly surprised it did as well as it did.

The sequel comes out, and it was like they redid the formula for the 1st movie. All the great sequels such as Godfather, Star Wars and LOTR, there's character development in the second one. This one has next to ZERO character development.

It feels like everyone is doing the same thing in this movie, Will and Elizabeth are trying to save each other, Jack is the same, trying to get into the skirt of Elizabeth again, lying and then just when they try foolishly to make people think he's turned his back on the "heroes", the obvious happens and he comes to save the day.

The romance between Elizabeth and Jack just seemed SO forced and feels it was only added to create unneeded drama.

Don't get me wrong the movie is alright and enjoyable but I also don't see it as anything spectacular.

[Qoèlet]

There's no niche audience for a film like pirates: people go to see it across the board. It's not aimed at children in particular, nor for some particular adult demographic. Shrek is. Spiderman (former record holder) is. Most of the highest grossing movies are. Kids went to see Spiderman with their parents. Comic book fans went to see Spiderman alone or with friends. But are a vast number of adults that don't read comic books going to go to it on their own? No. Whereas with a film like this, you get the families, the "rabid fans" of the first one, and franky a broad appeal to a very general audience.

If you're asking why people like it... it provides action/adventure, plus comedy, romance, and more than that it's completely off the wall. It plays with a lot of conventions, and people tend to find that entertaining. Also, yeah, Johnny Depp created a unique character out of a part that didn't necessarily read in that manner at all.

[BATFREDDIE]

Seriously. How in the flying heck?

The first one is entertaining enough. Nothing special. For some reason you have these rabid fans that think it was the greatest thing ever. I just think it's an entertaining movie.

And the sequel comes out, and all of these records are broken. How??? Marketing?? I don't think so really. I just don't get it. Repeat viewings is one reason why a movie would get such high viewings, but the sequel is so... dull and long, in my personal opinion. I'm not alone in that opinion either. I just don't understand it. There is nothing special about Pirates Of The Carribean at all. I feel like people go to see these movies more for Johnny Depp and the character he plays more than anything else. "Captain Jack Sparrow sure does have great one liners!!".

*mind boggles*FINALLY! I loved the first pirates as a fun and entertaining movie and it reminded me alot of monkey island, one of my favourite games. But I wouldn't rate it too high on my list of top movies. And then everyone was telling me it was the greatest movie ever, and were comparing it to Star Wars. I go see the sequel which as all this ridiculous hype over it, and it's fun but nothing special. I just think this movie was released at a right time because frankly Jerry Bruckheimer knows his **** and can read the audience's minds. It got blown out of proportion though, the only strong point in either movies besides the fact that its about Pirates and that its pretty decently directed is Johnny Depp's acting. But it's not Star Wars. :o

[Erzengel]

Also, audiences (and I won't even go on and compare domestic and foreign audiences) are fickle creatures. Certain movies just have their nitch and appeal. Even though this movie got very luke warm critical review (which for the record is usually unheard of for movies grossing this much) it is making money. If you look up the top 10 movies of all time almost all of them got postive review, better than Pirates.

Face it Pirates is just appealing to more people. You just can't seem to guess what will and won't attract people anymore.

[Electrix]

and there isn't even any action until the end of the movie (unless you count the 2 minute bar-room brawl something like an hour and a half into the movie)

honestly, i knew this movie would do well at the box office, but it doesn't deserve to do this well. it's a mediocre film at best.

So the whole thing with the crew in the wooden ball and Jack trying to run away wasnt action? They had it so there was some action then story, then action then story.

[kainedamo]

I feel the same way Erz.

And not only do I feel it's a repeated formulae with no character development. But its like... at least the first movie introduces the characters and throws them together well. It takes a long, long time for them to actually get together in this movie. Also, alot of the jokes fell totally flat for me.

[PowersOfMind]

There's no niche audience for a film like pirates: people go to see it across the board. It's not aimed at children in particular, nor for some particular adult demographic. Shrek is. Spiderman (former record holder) is. Most of the highest grossing movies are. Kids went to see Spiderman with their parents. Comic book fans went to see Spiderman alone or with friends. But are a vast number of adults that don't read comic books going to go to it on their own? No. Whereas with a film like this, you get the families, the "rabid fans" of the first one, and franky a broad appeal to a very general audience.

If you're asking why people like it... it provides action/adventure, plus comedy, romance, and more than that it's completely off the wall. It plays with a lot of conventions, and people tend to find that entertaining. Also, yeah, Johnny Depp created a unique character out of a part that didn't necessarily read in that manner at all.

The fact that POTC 2 doesnt have a particular target audience is most definitely the one of the reasons it is doing so well. Even though its a Disney film, the five times I've been to see it there are hardly any kids there. The elements of a good film are there. Its dark but doesnt take itself to seriously. It keeps its feeling of fun despite what is happening to the characters. The story is exciting and really does amp you up for the third one.

Plus one should never doubt the drawing abilities of Mr. Johnny Depp, Mr. Orlando Bloom and Ms. Keirs Knightley( at least when their all in the same movie.)

In truth the only place I have seen people didnt like the movie is here.

[BATFREDDIE]

I agree there is extremely week characterization in these films. Pretty much everyone is a tired cliche except for Jack. The plot is borrowed from a bunch of pirate stories and almost nothing original happens in any of the films. I think the major problem with the Pirates films are their screen writers. Let me write one, ha ha.

[PowersOfMind]

But that's the point a lot of whats in the story is based on Pirate Lore.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I feel the same way Erz.

And not only do I feel it's a repeated formulae with no character development. But its like... at least the first movie introduces the characters and throws them together well. It takes a long, long time for them to actually get together in this movie. Also, alot of the jokes fell totally flat for me.


why would this film need character development when they we're already introduced in the first. the first film tells you about each character. the sequel was just a continuation of the story between the characters. and it did ti very well.

[JLBats]

why would this film need character development when they we're already introduced in the first. the first film tells you about each character. the sequel was just a continuation of the story between the characters. and it did ti very well.

Do you know what character development is? You don't just set up a character and let him sit there. That's what character arcs are for.

[GoldenAgeHero]

The fact that POTC 2 doesnt have a particular target audience is most definitely the one of the reasons it is doing so well. Even though its a Disney film, the five times I've been to see it there are hardly any kids there. The elements of a good film are there. Its dark but doesnt take itself to seriously. It keeps its feeling of fun despite what is happening to the characters. The story is exciting and really does amp you up for the third one.

Plus one should never doubt the drawing abilities of Mr. Johnny Depp, Mr. Orlando Bloom and Ms. Keirs Knightley( at least when their all in the same movie.)

In truth the only place I have seen people didnt like the movie is here.


becasue everyone here and other message boards we're expecting superman to break box office records,now they're mad it didnt but pirates did.

[Hunter Rider]

It made more money than anything before it is the answer:up:

[deathshead2]

Its easy how POTC 2 broke records its new has a neat story its not a remake or another comic book movie its not based on anything except for a silly ride with no real story.Also great acting and its just fun to watch. I saw the movie twice and it didn't get boring the 2nd time either heck it was muc better the 2nd time around.Its a fun film we need more like it around.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Do you know what character development is? You don't just set up a character and let him sit there. That's what character arcs are for.


the second film didnt let them sit there all the characters motivations were being told. people keep complaining how it didnt have a story, it very well did.

[JLBats]

the second film didnt let them sit there all the characters motivations were being told. people keep complaining how it didnt have a story, it very well did.

I haven't even seen the film. I'm just saying, it's not "set-up" and then "ok, no more character stuff now".

[PowersOfMind]

Each main character had an arc of somekind. Jack proved that he can actually put others before himself. Liz found out she's more of a pitate than she thought. Will is starting to become a pirate even though he trying to fight it( I think his sense of honer and selflessness is going to be hindered in the third film). Each character has grown and changed since the last film.

[PowersOfMind]

becasue everyone here and other message boards we're expecting superman to break box office records,now they're mad it didnt but pirates did.

Not everyone here is like that. I know there are some but not everyone. Some people just didnt like the movie... hey everything doesnt appeal to everyone.

[Speedball]

I agree.
I agree with him as well.

[Erzengel]

the second film didnt let them sit there all the characters motivations were being told. people keep complaining how it didnt have a story, it very well did.

Go watch Godfather 2, Lord of the Rings: Two Towers and Empire Strikes Back. Sure we were introduced to all the main characters in the 1st movie, but the second movies brought depth to them all. I feel Pirates didn't do that, it was basically the same as the 1st.

[JLBats]

Go watch Godfather 2, Lord of the Rings: Two Towers and Empire Strikes Back. Sure we were introduced to all the main characters in the 1st movie, but the second movies brought depth to them all. I feel Pirates didn't do that, it was basically the same as the 1st.

Empire Strikes Back is so impossibly perfect that I don't think it's right to hold POTC up to it for comparison, but... agreed.

[Erzengel]

There's a few people on this board who are doing the comparison. I didn't even utter Empire and Pirates in the same sentence til yesterday.

[Speedball]

Empire Strikes Back is so impossibly perfect that I don't think it's right to hold POTC up to it for comparison, but... agreed.
LOL!
It's the only film out of the Whole OT that wasn't messed with in the Special Edition.
The only thing they did was add more to Cloud City. and that was a great improvement.

[kainedamo]

To the dude saying people are complaining because they're mad that Superman Returns didn't do so well... don't be so rediculous.

We're not all rabid fanboys. Some of us have opinions that aren't motivated by petty jealousy.

And I didn't even really like Superman Returns that much.

[Cyrusbales]

POTC 2 is a dreadful film, it cashed in on the overrated POTC, and this hyped it up so much. Marketing was massive, so the film was bound to make money. But the whole film is badly made, just for money, even johnny depp(who millions adore regardless of how bad he can be, although he is generally great, fear and loathing!) is bad in this, there is nothing worth watching this film for, even the special effects are tedius and boring, the sequel should be beter though, doesn't kieth richards play cpt jack's dad?

The film going nation has been groomed into watching POTC 2, and the goldfish public enjoy it, because they've been told that they're gonna like it, sad that hollywood still holds so much power, even in this advanced film viewing world.

[deathshead2]

POTC 2 is a dreadful film, it cashed in on the overrated POTC, and this hyped it up so much. Marketing was massive, so the film was bound to make money. But the whole film is badly made, just for money, even johnny depp(who millions adore regardless of how bad he can be, although he is generally great, fear and loathing!) is bad in this, there is nothing worth watching this film for, even the special effects are tedius and boring, the sequel should be beter though, doesn't kieth richards play cpt jack's dad?

The film going nation has been groomed into watching POTC 2, and the goldfish public enjoy it, because they've been told that they're gonna like it, sad that hollywood still holds so much power, even in this advanced film viewing world.:confused: Um how.

[Cyrusbales]

the special effects are just the same over and over again, nothing groundbreaking, obviously fake, there's just nothing different to get excited about!

[deathshead2]

[quote=Cyrusbales]the special effects are just the same over and over again, nothing groundbreaking, obviously fake, there's just nothing different to get excited about![/quote What this movie had the best FX I have ever seen man.:eek: It was insane.

[PowersOfMind]

How is either film overrated? How has the film going nation been groomed into watching Pirates 2?

[PowersOfMind]

Davy Jones is one of the best all-CGI characters to grace the screen?
The Kraken was amazing.

ILM really did their thing.

[Mee]

It's just a fun movie, which seems to be big nowadays with hits like Spider-Man and Shrek while dark serious movies like say Batman Begins are hits, but not huge ones.

Pirates just has a very broad audience.

[Cyrusbales]

Marketing, every advert break is plugging the film, so people feeled impulsed to go and see it. The first film is good, yes, but it's not the best film ever as people seem to think! Orlando Bloom is pretty crap in both films. The plot in the first is good, but once again, it's not groundbreaking, there's nothing that hasn't been seen before, cpt jack is basically long john silver from the muppets treasure island but evolved slightly.

[deathshead2]

Yeah people love fun movies where you can just sit and watch.

[Speedball]

Davy Jones is one of the best all-CGI characters to grace the screen?
Hell yes!
The CGI effects were amazing.
If POTC2 wins three thing at the oscars, they would be for best Score, Best SFX, and Best Costumes.

[deathshead2]

Marketing, every advert break is plugging the film, so people feeled impulsed to go and see it. The first film is good, yes, but it's not the best film ever as people seem to think! Orlando Bloom is pretty crap in both films. The plot in the first is good, but once again, it's not groundbreaking, there's nothing that hasn't been seen before, cpt jack is basically long john silver from the muppets treasure island but evolved slightly.Whats funny is while I watched POTC2 the 2nd time I kept thinking I was wathcing Muppets treasure island.

[Cyrusbales]

Davy jones was good special effects, but was still so obviously fake, i't just a furtherment of existing effects, it's not like something amazing and new, like effective CGI hair and wrinkles, or the skin effect on hulk(shame about the rest of the movie)

[deathshead2]

Davy jones was good special effects, but was still so obviously fake, i't just a furtherment of existing effects, it's not like something amazing and new, like effective CGI hair and wrinkles, or the skin effect on hulk(shame about the rest of the movie)Um all CGI is like that.

[Speedball]

Davy jones was good special effects, but was still so obviously fake, i't just a furtherment of existing effects, it's not like something amazing and new, like effective CGI hair and wrinkles, or the skin effect on hulk(shame about the rest of the movie)
WOW! I already have Two newbs on my hitlist, you and Ryankris.

[Cyrusbales]

there are a few things that look pretty real, first episode of animatrix, and hulk looks pretty good, but so many films are ruined by CGI, they shouldn't focus on the CGI element, they should have focused on a better story, most people would have been happy with a rubber mask, it's the terrible storline that they seem to have neglected

[Cyrusbales]

WOW! I already have Two newbs on my hitlist, you and Ryankris.

hitlist? newby?

[PowersOfMind]

Marketing, every advert break is plugging the film, so people feeled impulsed to go and see it. The first film is good, yes, but it's not the best film ever as people seem to think! Orlando Bloom is pretty crap in both films. The plot in the first is good, but once again, it's not groundbreaking, there's nothing that hasn't been seen before, cpt jack is basically long john silver from the muppets treasure island but evolved slightly.

Just because you market something to death doesnt mean that people are pressed into buying it. SR was marketed to death and look how its slowly crawling at the BO. Good WOM is what is carrying this movie.

[Hunter Rider]

WOW! I already have Two newbs on my hitlist, you and Ryankris.

Don't bother,learn that when you read certain posts and the adjectives and tone in them that arguing with that person is not gonna be a fruitful exercise as their view is so strong in one direction there is little room for debate

[Hunter Rider]

hitlist? newby?

hitlist=he doesn't like you

Newby=your new here,unless of course this is a secondary SN or you were banned and this is a new sN

[Cyrusbales]

even johnny depp claimed he made POTC 2 for just the money, people are being fooled into it by Depp's reputation and marketing, I think you give too much credit to the masses, we've already had 4 superman films, so people are gonna be more interested in seeing pirates, and also it was marketed more too!

[Boom]

It broke records because people went to see it. I don't know what else you want us to say.

[Cyrusbales]

I may be a newby on here, but i'm not a newby to films, it's the central element of my life!

[Hunter Rider]

even johnny depp claimed he made POTC 2 for just the money, people are being fooled into it by Depp's reputation and marketing, I think you give too much credit to the masses, we've already had 4 superman films, so people are gonna be more interested in seeing pirates, and also it was marketed more too!

Have you got a link to where Depp said this ? ive seen numerous interviews with him where he said he took the role so he could be in a film his kids could watch and because he loved the Jack Sparrow character as it was his creation

[Boom]

even johnny depp claimed he made POTC 2 for just the money
Hardly. He enjoys playing the character. He said he wants to make a 4th, 5th, and 6th movie if the scripts are good.

[Speedball]

even johnny depp claimed he made POTC 2 for just the money, people are being fooled into it by Depp's reputation and marketing, I think you give too much credit to the masses, we've already had 4 superman films, so people are gonna be more interested in seeing pirates, and also it was marketed more too!
Where in the hell did he say that? In your head?
He said he did it becasue he loves acting as Capt. Jack Sparrow.
He doesn't give a crap about money, He acts because he wants to act.

[Erzengel]

WOW! I already have Two newbs on my hitlist, you and Ryankris.

Um you registered 3 months ago? :confused:

[Mee]

Hardly. He enjoys playing the character. He said he wants to make a 4th, 5th, and 6th movie if the scripts are good.
Yeah that's what I read.

[Hunter Rider]

Um you registered 3 months ago? :confused:

maybe 2 months is the new time limit in which one can call another a newb:(

[Cyrusbales]

Have you got a link to where Depp said this ? ive seen numerous interviews with him where he said he took the role so he could be in a film his kids could watch and because he loved the Jack Sparrow character as it was his creation

In an interview with Terry Gilliam, he mentioned how him and Depp were making films to get the money together to make the man who killed don quiote, after it failed last time due to torrential floods and depp's illness. yes, Depp does prefer playing cpt jack to other roles, but he felt that the role should have stuck with a one off, as we all do, c'mon, an hour and a half of sea, just run a bath if you like watching water

[Boom]

Um you registered 3 months ago? :confused:
Yeah, but he's got 1,000+ posts. I'd say it's fair to upgrade him to squire.

[PowersOfMind]

When did Depp say that? Depp has a reputation for coming with these memeorable characters. Sure other people write his words but he takes these characters and makes them his own.

I think your trying to take to much away from the masses. Not everyone is a mindless drone that eats whatever is thrown at them.

[Cyrusbales]

people buy the sun! say no more about the masses!

[Boom]

but he felt that the role should have stuck with a one off, as we all do, c'mon, an hour and a half of sea, just run a bath if you like watching water
Really? Then why did he openly admit that he wanted to make MORE sequels?

Oh, and speak for yourself.

[Speedball]

Yeah, but he's got 1,000+ posts. I'd say it's fair to upgrade him to squire.
YAY!
I'm like King Arthur!
anyone got a sword in a stone?

[Hunter Rider]

In an interview with Terry Gilliam, he mentioned how him and Depp were making films to get the money together to make the man who killed don quiote, after it failed last time due to torrential floods and depp's illness. yes, Depp does prefer playing cpt jack to other roles, but he felt that the role should have stuck with a one off, as we all do, c'mon, an hour and a half of sea, just run a bath if you like watching water

If he thought it should have stuck with one why is he pushing for POTC 4.5 and 6 ?:confused:

[PowersOfMind]

Have you got a link to where Depp said this ? ive seen numerous interviews with him where he said he took the role so he could be in a film his kids could watch and because he loved the Jack Sparrow character as it was his creation

Ive seen and heard this before.

[Erzengel]

Yeah, but he's got 1,000+ posts. I'd say it's fair to upgrade him to squire.
LOL.

Sure. Everytime I quote him from now on I will change his name to Squire. :) :up:

[Cyrusbales]

well him and terry gilliam are pretty close, so Gilliam was speaking for them both, the two of them all got hammered with hunter thompson together, they're like best of mates, I'm sure gilliam knows what Depp's thinking better than interviewers? And of course Depp isn't going to say anything bad about his film directly, that's the first rule of film-dom.

[Boom]

If he thought it should have stuck with one why is he pushing for POTC 4.5 and 6 ?:confused:
You know the answer to this question just as much as I do.

[WorthyStevens]

even johnny depp claimed he made POTC 2 for just the money, people are being fooled into it by Depp's reputation and marketing, I think you give too much credit to the masses, we've already had 4 superman films, so people are gonna be more interested in seeing pirates, and also it was marketed more too!

Depp never said that.

[Erzengel]

If he thought it should have stuck with one why is he pushing for POTC 4.5 and 6 ?:confused:

Hunter, every time I see you location I think you are saying f'ing Rachel McAdams. :o

[Hunter Rider]

You know the answer to this question just as much as I do.

I know but im bored:(

[Boom]

well him and terry gilliam are pretty close, so Gilliam was speaking for them both, the three of them all got hammered with hunter thompson together, they're like best of mates, I'm sure gilliam knows what Depp's thinking better than interviewers? And of course Depp isn't going to say anything bad about his film directly, that's the first rule of film-dom.
Buddy, you're missing the point. IF Depp truly felt there should have only been one film, he wouldn't be pushing for MORE sequels following the 3rd one.

[Hunter Rider]

Hunter, every time I see you location I think you are saying f'ing Rachel McAdams. :o
Some have told me this,they are unaware of my sensitive old romantic soul:O .......oh and she has a restraining order which makes the F'ing difficult:(

[Cyrusbales]

so you've never done something you didn't want to do, to do something better? I think it shows character to do something you don't want to in order to achieve something greater

Depp's contract was for 2 sequels, and he's not gonna badmouth his own film, even if he doesn't like it.

[Boom]

so you've never done something you didn't want to do, to do something better? I think it shows character to do something you don't want to in order to achieve something greater
But he WANTED to make these movies. OTHERWISE HE WOULDN'T BE PUSHING FOR THREE MORE SEQUELS AFTER THE FIRST TRILOGY.

Good LORD :confused:.

[deathshead2]

But he WANTED to make these movies. OTHERWISE HE WOULDN'T BE PUSHING FOR THREE MORE SEQUELS AFTER THE FIRST TRILOGY.

Good LORD :confused:.Plese stop fighting him its not going to go any where.

[PowersOfMind]

Johnny Depp is one of the most non-Hollywood actors out there so why would he agree to do a sequel if he thought the characters should just be a one-off for a paycheck?

[Erzengel]

people buy the sun! say no more about the masses!

The use of masses and critics can be construed in either way to prove an argument.

Oh the critics hated Pirates. So what?! What do they know?
On the critcis loved Pirates. See even the critics loved it.

Oh no one saw Pirates. It's because the masses don't know a good thing when it's there.
Oh lots of people saw Pirates. See the masses agree.

:( :confused: :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

so you've never done something you didn't want to do, to do something better? I think it shows character to do something you don't want to in order to achieve something greater

Depp's contract was for 2 sequels, and he's not gonna badmouth his own film, even if he doesn't like it.

He clearly loves the character and he made it out of his own creative acting i don't see it as somethign he is doing to get money for an indie,it's not like the guy is brassing it and couldn't get funding so he needs to make not one but 3 films and then say he wants to make 3 more

[Cyrusbales]

It's all part of the marketing, when you sign a contract, you have to sign a contract about negative marketing. You never know, the third film might actually be good! that might be what's making him want to push for more, or it's just a good marketing tool.

[Boom]

It's all part of the marketing, when you sign a contract, you have to sign a contract about negative marketing. You never know, the third film might actually be good! that might be what's making him want to push for more, or it's just a good marketing tool.
I'm done. Your turn, hunter.

[Cyrusbales]

He clearly loves the character and he made it out of his own creative acting i don't see it as somethign he is doing to get money for an indie,it's not like the guy is brassing it and couldn't get funding so he needs to make not one but 3 films and then say he wants to make 3 more

I do like johnny depp, but cpt jack is not an original character, long john silver from muppets treasure island, adapted for more adults audiences.

[WorthyStevens]

It's all part of the marketing, when you sign a contract, you have to sign a contract about negative marketing. You never know, the third film might actually be good! that might be what's making him want to push for more, or it's just a good marketing tool.

Well, he's obviously excited about doing these movies since he's getting other people to do them (Keith Richards)...

[Cyrusbales]

maybe he just wanted the company...lol

[Hunter Rider]

I do like johnny depp, but cpt jack is not an original character, long john silver from muppets treasure island, adapted for more adults audiences.

There aren't many original characters in cinema,more archetypes
Depp took the basic anti-hero concept and created Jack Sparrow's quirky personality

[Erzengel]

Honestly folks it's a cash cow and last time I checked Disney's only one. Of course they are going to milk it. :confused:

[Cyrusbales]

original characters still exist, as much as it pains me to mention the transgender Agrado from almodovar's All about my mother, she/he is definately unique!

[Boom]

Honestly folks it's a cash cow and last time I checked Disney's only one. Of course they are going to milk it. :confused:
Ah, the brutal truth of reality :(.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm done. Your turn, hunter.
I'm losing the will to live,don't you quit on me:mad: you can reply "i can't quit you" for movie based purposes now:up:

[Cyrusbales]

Honestly folks it's a cash cow and last time I checked Disney's only one. Of course they are going to milk it. :confused:

thank you

[Boom]

I'm losing the will to live,don't you quit on me:mad: you can reply "i can't quit you" for movie based purposes now:up:
I can quit you, but I can't quit Johnny Depp.

:(

[deathshead2]

thank youEvey movie that does well is milked so that reallly not proof of anything.

[Boom]

thank you
He said DISNEY is going to milk it, not Depp.

Disney's reasons for making these movies are probably very different from Depp's.

[Hunter Rider]

original characters still exist, as much as it pains me to mention the transgender Agrado from almodovar's All about my mother, she/he is definately unique!
Notice i said "there aren't many" not that there aren't any and that holds true particuarly in the summer action hero stakes,thus Depp's Sparrow was a fresh take on a well used character type

[WorthyStevens]

Honestly folks it's a cash cow and last time I checked Disney's only one. Of course they are going to milk it. :confused:

Don't they still have Pixar? If they still do, that's another cash cow they have.

[Hunter Rider]

I can quit you, but I can't quit Johnny Depp.

:(

All us straight guys go gay for T3h Depporz:( :up:

[Speedball]

Ah, the brutal truth of reality :(.

What about Chronicles of Narnia, the Incredibles and National Treasure?

[Cyrusbales]

I'm sure a few extra million is just what Depp needs to back a few projects with himself in. Would you stab yourself with a pin for a few thousand? same principle, it's a means to an end

[PowersOfMind]

Some have told me this,they are unaware of my sensitive old romantic soul:O .......oh and she has a restraining order which makes the F'ing difficult:(

LOL


There aren't many original characters in cinema,more archetypes
Depp took the basic anti-hero concept and created Jack Sparrow's quirky personality


Very true.

[Boom]

All us straight guys go gay for T3h Depporz:( :up:
Do you think we have a problem :(?

[Hunter Rider]

Do you think we have a problem :(?

No:mad: it's perfectly natural......isn't it ?:confused:

[Erzengel]

Pixar is almost a subsidiary company. Pixar makes their CGI movies but for their live action stuff they use whatever Buena Vista? And don't you need a sequel to Narnia to actually be released before calling it a franchise or cash cow?

[Boom]

No:mad: it's perfectly natural......isn't it ?:confused:
I think so. It's in the Bible :confused:.

[Hunter Rider]

I think so. It's in the Bible :confused:.

Yes thats it:eek: ,Depp is God,it's all good..... Phew:O

[Flexo]

All us straight guys go gay for T3h Depporz:( :up:

... true. :(

[Speedball]

I think so. It's in the Bible :confused:.
It's in Leviticus 2:9

[PowersOfMind]

If anything Pixar is Disney's biggest cash cow still. Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Monsters Inc,

[WorthyStevens]

Pixar is almost a subsidiary company. Pixar makes their CGI movies but for their live action stuff they use whatever Buena Vista? And don't you need a sequel to Narnia to actually be released before calling it a franchise or cash cow?

No, I think Pixar makes films just for Disney. And if Prince Caspian is a hit (which I can't see otherwise), Disney will probably greenlight the next Narnia soon after. I think it's safe just to call it a franchise now. ;)

[PowersOfMind]

Yes thats it:eek: ,Depp is God,it's all good..... Phew:O

He is God.

Oh **** I have offically become a Depp Whore.

[Boom]

It's in Leviticus 2:9
The earliest Johnny Depp was referenced in the Bible was the Book of Genesis.

"And on the first day, the Lord said, 'Let there be Johnny Depp.' And so it was."

[Erzengel]

We are talking about two different things. Pixar is a studio while Pirates is a franchise. The studio's job yes it to make money for Disney. Disney's only live action success right now is Pirates.

[WorthyStevens]

God forgives Johnny Depp for eating the Forbidden Fruit because he's, well, he's Johnny Depp.

[Hunter Rider]

He is God.

Oh **** I have offically become a Depp Whore.

It happens to us all eventually........welcome to the ranks my child:( :up:

[Erzengel]

No, I think Pixar makes films just for Disney. And if Prince Caspian is a hit (which I can't see otherwise), Disney will probably greenlight the next Narnia soon after. I think it's safe just to call it a franchise now. ;)


Pixar is OWNED by Disney. :confused: And I think you need at least 2 successful movies before you can technically call it a franchise. By that definition I can call Batman Begins a successful franchise because there are talks of a sequel. :o

[Boom]

God forgives Johnny Depp for eating the Forbidden Fruit because he's, well, he's Johnny Depp.
God realized Johnny Depp was perfect, too perfect. So he took a small portion of greatness away from Johnny Depp and created another man. He is known as Geoffrey Rush.

God's plan backfired though, as both men turned out to remain perfect.

[WorthyStevens]

And I think you need at least 2 successful movies before you can technically call it a franchise. By that definition I can call Batman Begins a successful franchise because there are talks of a sequel. :o

True.

[PowersOfMind]

It happens to us all eventually........welcome to the ranks my child:( :up:

I have defended him before but never have a felt the tension that I feel right now.

He's a genius and he has a rep for delievering when it come to intriguing characters. Nothing wrong with that.

[PowersOfMind]

Pixar is OWNED by Disney. :confused: And I think you need at least 2 successful movies before you can technically call it a franchise. By that definition I can call Batman Begins a successful franchise because there are talks of a sequel. :o

I believe Pixar is exclusive to Disney but I do agree with you that you need 2 successful films to call something a franchise.

[Erzengel]

Thanks. So one more time Pirates is the only live action franchise now from Disney. :)

Could be worse, you could be Fox and have only FF and X-Men now. :down

[PowersOfMind]

At the moment yes.

[FaT_tONle]

These number are mind boggling though... were looking at 350 easily.... if not 4... doesn't suprise me a whole lot, but it does make you scratch your head... there is not story yet the movie is a Box Office monster... do that many people go to the movies just for popcorn and fun???

[PowersOfMind]

How is there no story?

[Speedball]

How is there no story?
I don't get it either.
People keep saying there is no story, but there is.

[FaT_tONle]

The plot was just really weak... and there wasn't a whole lot of character development... the love ***** was forced... Liz's decision at the end was just so random... Bloom was so flat... it was a popcorn flick... nothing more... it shouldn't be making 350-400... 300 tops...

[Flexo]

The plot was just really weak... and there wasn't a whole lot of character development... the love ***** was forced... Liz's decision at the end was just so random... Bloom was so flat... it was a popcorn flick... nothing more... it shouldn't be making 350-400... 300 tops...

...

How was she supposed to know a giant squid would attack the ship?

Besides that, her action was the only thing that could save the crew from the Kraken.

[FaT_tONle]

...

How was she supposed to know a giant squid would attack the ship?

Besides that, her action was the only thing that could save the crew from the Kraken.

I just got a feel that everything was just forced... and the one liners and comedy sucked... cept for Depp ofcourse... but they need to cut the humor from the other characters cause it is just so boring and it cuts into the story... the only funny guys are the four pirates Depp included... everyone else is lame as hell...

[Flexo]

I just got a feel that everything was just forced... and the one liners and comedy sucked... cept for Depp ofcourse... but they need to cut the humor from the other characters cause it is just so boring and it cuts into the story... the only funny guys are the four pirates Depp included... everyone else is lame as hell...

That's just opinion. Plenty of people laughed at all the comedic bits in my theater. Very few jokes fell flat.

[PowersOfMind]

That's just opinion. Plenty of people laughed at all the comedic bits in my theater. Very few jokes fell flat.

Same thing here each of the five times I saw it.

[PowersOfMind]

The plot was just really weak... and there wasn't a whole lot of character development... the love ***** was forced... Liz's decision at the end was just so random... Bloom was so flat... it was a popcorn flick... nothing more... it shouldn't be making 350-400... 300 tops...

There was pleanty of character development. Elizabeth decision was not random. She did as a pirate would do she used the fact that Jack is attracted to her against him.

[Spider-Fan]

The plot was just really weak... and there wasn't a whole lot of character development... the love ***** was forced... Liz's decision at the end was just so random... Bloom was so flat... it was a popcorn flick... nothing more... it shouldn't be making 350-400... 300 tops...

Elizabeth's decision was anything but random. Watch the scene with Jack and Elizabeth on the pearl where the discuss why the other will come to their side. Then watch as Elizabeth progressively in the movie becomes more like a pirate. That decision is set up through Elizabeth's whole story in the movie. I don't know where you got that it was forced.

[Erzengel]

I agree with Fat Tonie. If felt really forced like they were trying to create more drama with the movie. They could have rewrote the movie without that needless storyline and just stated that Jack wasn't going to go with them because HE wanted to stay on the Pearl. I would have respected that more.

[spideylover89]

The most complaining I've heard is from Superman and Star Wars fans, so it just sounds like a bunch of Supes and Star Wars fans are pissed that Pirates beat their films. Honestly get over it, it's a fun movie that doesn't try to be anything special like Superman was trying to be. Besides, who doesn't like Pirates.

[spideylover89]

it shouldn't be making 350-400... 300 tops...

And nobody expected it to be anything other than a popcorn flick so why did you? It's a movie about pirates and it's based off of a disneyland ride. The only thing that says to me is "fun." People probably flocked to it because there hasn't been a truely fun movie in a while and it was really refreshing. They could watch a movie without having to worry about being depressed, forced to think, or angered. Everybody deserves a little fun.

[Erzengel]

The most complaining I've heard is from Superman and Star Wars fans, so it just sounds like a bunch of Supes and Star Wars fans are pissed that Pirates beat their films. Honestly get over it, it's a fun movie that doesn't try to be anything special like Superman was trying to be. Besides, who doesn't like Pirates.

Sure it is. It couldn't possibly be the fact that we just don't think it's as good as you think it is. :rolleyes:

[grey_jeanie]

I can see why. My first 2 reasons to see it would be:

1) Johnny Depp
2) Orlando Bloom

;)

[kainedamo]

The most complaining I've heard is from Superman and Star Wars fans, so it just sounds like a bunch of Supes and Star Wars fans are pissed that Pirates beat their films. Honestly get over it, it's a fun movie that doesn't try to be anything special like Superman was trying to be. Besides, who doesn't like Pirates.

*goes into a berzerker rage*

Do you want me to murder you in your sleep?? DO YOU?? We dislike the film!! We can't understand how such a flat film can get so many fans! Thus the reason for this topic!! It has nothing to do with rivalry fandom.

Get the **** over yourself.

[Erzengel]

And I have said in the past that I was disappointed with SR. All the summer movies I have seen this far, I have been dissappointed to luke warm at best.

[Mee]

And I have said in the past that I was disappointed with SR. All the summer movies I have seen this far, I have been dissappointed to luke warm at best.
There's still Snakes On A Plane.:up:

[BloodyWolverine]

Pirates is the new fun trilogy that people have adapted that don't like Harry Potter. There is no Rings or Star Wars movies. People need a fun flick that is not too serious. Thats the appeal to some fans of these movies. A few men but the wemon have made these movie have the mega bucks. Also tey do well because some people are tired of bad comic book movies. Sure there are some great comic movies Spiderman,X-men V For Vendetta and Batman Begins but some peopl like movies not made from comics. I personally like all movies comic, cartoon or script written. I'm just saying some people like a comfortable non comic book change.

[Erzengel]

I've been thinking this for the last few days and was debating whether or not to make this a topic but here it goes.

Do fans/moviegoers whatever, "will" or want so desperately to like a movie that they just overlook it's flaws? I know it's not anything fairly new but this whole summer I've been watching movies that I have disapointed in and just see the response for it, it makes me feel like there's something wrong with me and I'm missing something.

X-3 comes out and honestly, yes it was actiony but it was just such a let down for me and yet people were saying it was better than the first 2 giving it perfect 10's.

SR so much wasted potentional, and while I think it should be doing just a lil bit better, it's nowhere as good as it could have been.

Now Pirates which a lot of people were stating this would be the #1 movie this year and when I watched it, I felt it was okay but exactly like the 1st with just improved CGI which I wasn't really wowed by intially.

I guess what all these movies have in common are yes they can be construed as "fun" movies but no heart. Edit: SR did try though.

Which leads me to my original statement, do people just want these movies to succeed so badly that they swallow everything it shows us and turn a blind eye to any faults they have? Or maybe it's me, are my standards just too high? Have I watched Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins so many times that I just expect so much more from Summer movies?

[GoldenAgeHero]

spiderman 2 was alright. i was'nt really impressed by it. but it was good. same goes with BB itwas alright i was'nt wowed by it, its pretty much overrated.

[Erzengel]

GAH, were you impressed by any of the movies this year?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anyone who says POTC2 lacked action of all things needs to have a mental exam. You can complain about story, or plot, or pacing, but to say there wasnt any action in the film is ridiculous, the film was constant action, it's a Bruckheimer film for christ's sake.

As to why it's breaking records? I cant tell you exactly, but I can tell you it's a fun movie (imagine that Mr. Singer) that appeals to ALL demos. It's got a ton of action, a love story, a sci-fi aspect, phenomenal SFX, a big time cast, and has it's comedic moments. Something for everyone as they say.

[November Rain]

Seriously. How in the flying heck?

The first one is entertaining enough. Nothing special. For some reason you have these rabid fans that think it was the greatest thing ever. I just think it's an entertaining movie.

And the sequel comes out, and all of these records are broken. How??? Marketing?? I don't think so really. I just don't get it. Repeat viewings is one reason why a movie would get such high viewings, but the sequel is so... dull and long, in my personal opinion. I'm not alone in that opinion either. I just don't understand it. There is nothing special about Pirates Of The Carribean at all. I feel like people go to see these movies more for Johnny Depp and the character he plays more than anything else. "Captain Jack Sparrow sure does have great one liners!!".

*mind boggles*the real question is how did spidey break all those records????

:o:o:o


i mean that didn't even have any great one liners....

[Mee]

I've been thinking this for the last few days and was debating whether or not to make this a topic but here it goes.

Do fans/moviegoers whatever, "will" or want so desperately to like a movie that they just overlook it's flaws? I know it's not anything fairly new but this whole summer I've been watching movies that I have disapointed in and just see the response for it, it makes me feel like there's something wrong with me and I'm missing something.

X-3 comes out and honestly, yes it was actiony but it was just such a let down for me and yet people were saying it was better than the first 2 giving it perfect 10's.

SR so much wasted potentional, and while I think it should be doing just a lil bit better, it's nowhere as good as it could have been.

Now Pirates which a lot of people were stating this would be the #1 movie this year and when I watched it, I felt it was okay but exactly like the 1st with just improved CGI which I wasn't really wowed by intially.

I guess what all these movies have in common are yes they can be construed as "fun" movies but no heart. Edit: SR did try though.

Which leads me to my original statement, do people just want these movies to succeed so badly that they swallow everything it shows us and turn a blind eye to any faults they have? Or maybe it's me, are my standards just too high? Have I watched Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins so many times that I just expect so much more from Summer movies?
I think that definately happens sometimes.

Personally, I liked X3 and SR, though I expected X3 to be better than it was and I actually expected SR to be worse. Pirates was pretty much what I expected, I would've liked a little more depth and story, but that's not really what Pirates is about.

[November Rain]

I've been thinking this for the last few days and was debating whether or not to make this a topic but here it goes.

Do fans/moviegoers whatever, "will" or want so desperately to like a movie that they just overlook it's flaws? I know it's not anything fairly new but this whole summer I've been watching movies that I have disapointed in and just see the response for it, it makes me feel like there's something wrong with me and I'm missing something.

X-3 comes out and honestly, yes it was actiony but it was just such a let down for me and yet people were saying it was better than the first 2 giving it perfect 10's.

SR so much wasted potentional, and while I think it should be doing just a lil bit better, it's nowhere as good as it could have been.

Now Pirates which a lot of people were stating this would be the #1 movie this year and when I watched it, I felt it was okay but exactly like the 1st with just improved CGI which I wasn't really wowed by intially.

I guess what all these movies have in common are yes they can be construed as "fun" movies but no heart. Edit: SR did try though.

Which leads me to my original statement, do people just want these movies to succeed so badly that they swallow everything it shows us and turn a blind eye to any faults they have? Or maybe it's me, are my standards just too high? Have I watched Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins so many times that I just expect so much more from Summer movies?it's simple

you are growing older and you are just demanding more for your entertainment, your expectations have grown and there is nothing wrong with that.

unfortunately, modern day media doesn't cater for you but rather for the mases.

[kainedamo]

I see exactly where Erz is coming from.

The problem isn't you, Erz. You're exactly right. It seems that some people are just so desperate to like something, they'll like it no matter what.

It's like with X-Men 3. It's so unbelievably clear that this movie is filled with bad film making and bad script writing. And yet these massive flaws are overlooked because it's more "action packed" than the previous two. X-Men 3 has no heart!! Not only does it have no heart, it's jsut made and written badly! It skips from one plot point to the next, as if edited by a guy with ADD. Bad writing - Storm "I like what you've done with your hair". Beast - "Thanks, I like what you've done with yours." Storm - "Thankyou", and there's this awkward moment where she actually pats her own hair. This is littered throughout the entire movie.

Do you know what it seems like to me? So many people just want nothing more than "fanboy moments". "WOW!! Wolverine sliced off a sentinal's head!! Hey it's the danger room!!" Or with POTC "Captain Jack is such a badass OMG!!".

A movie can be fun AND have depth. A movie can have more than one liners and little moments of fanboyisms.

I think the quality of movies in general has dropped. Movies are no longer as good as they can be. Movies no longer reach their full potential. Something always gets in the way.

Like with Superman Returns. It's just ok, it's an alright film. It could have been much more, and there's no reason why it couldn't have been. I'd say I blame the script more than anything else. Examples. We have at least 3 or 4 moments where the camera pauses on Lex's face, as if he is about to say something profound. What does he say?? Things like "..... No". ".... I don't know". ".... No. That wasn't you". What the ****?? This movie really needed a more lively script. But at least this movie attempted to have some heart, which is more than what can be said of POTC. POTC 2 is just empty to me.

[Erzengel]

it's simple

you are growing older and you are just demanding more for your entertainment, your expectations have grown and there is nothing wrong with that.

unfortunately, modern day media doesn't cater for you but rather for the mases.

I think that is the smartest thing you ever said to me. :up:

[November Rain]

I think that is the smartest thing you ever said to me. :up:only because i've never seen you erect an advice thread :)

you may also find that films you thought you liked before aren't as good as you thought.

on the upside a lot of older films that you previously thought were bad and boring can now actually become more appealing. there's plenty of old cinema, especially black and white stuff that gets overlooked. I can't wait to get to similar points in my life to most of the characters portrayed so i can see the true relevance of the direction used and so forth.

don't worry there is still hope.

:up:

[Erzengel]

only because i've never seen you erect an advice thread :)

you may also find that films you thought you liked before aren't as good as you thought.

on the upside a lot of older films that you previously thought were bad and boring can now actually become more appealing. there's plenty of old cinema, especially black and white stuff that gets overlooked. I can't wait to get to similar points in my life to most of the characters portrayed so i can see the true relevance of the direction used and so forth.

don't worry there is still hope.

:up:

Yes to go back in time instead of forward. :up:

Anywho, I just heard so many people especially in this thread say "It's a fun movie". Well maybe I want a good movie. LOL

[November Rain]

yeah, if you wanted fun, you'd be outside, not stuck indoors on a nice day...

;)

anywho, must dash, catch you later earth's angel

[kainedamo]

the real question is how did spidey break all those records????

:o:o:o


i mean that didn't even have any great one liners....


Hey look! I figured out how to quote properly!

Spider-Man broke all of those records for several reasons. It's the greatest superhero family film ever made. And I mean that when I say it. It did EVERYTHING (well, almost everything) right.

It had an oldish romantic style to it, displayed in the clothes and mannerisms of the cast. They don't seem hip and modern at all. The script is very lively (what SR lacked). Every single character has a heart and personality. From Jameson to Aunt May to Norman Osborn, Peter, Mary Jane, they all have a heart and a soul thanks to the script. The camera angles and direction is inspired. It has moments of intentional cheesiness. I know some people don't "get" the intentional cheesiness thing, but for the people that do it's wonderful. Not only is it very funny, but it adds even more heart and magic to the film. The musical score is very rousing. It really lifts you at the right moments. The film flows from one scene to the next very, very well. Unlike X-Men 3 which just awkwardly goes from one place to another, Spider-Man is a well written piece and well paced. Everything happens at the right pace. Even minor characters like Betty and Robinson have about equal character to major characters in SR. The movie gets quite dark towards the end. A brutal fight scene where the hero gets a really unexpected beating (anyone remember the first time you watched that scene?). A death, followed by a funeral, a really touching and intimate moment between MJ and Peter where Pete rejects her, followed by a rousing last moment of Spidey swinging around. It's just perfect! I know Mr. Joe Average doesn't notice the difference between good and bad film making, but for people that do know... I think Spider-Man is up there with some of Hollywood's greatest movies. It's a very romantic story, very touching moments, good comedy that is GENUINE and doesn't feel forced, genuine drama and genuine relationships between the characters.

Plus the marketing and the fact that he's such a popular character are reasons it broke records.

The film's biggest flaw is the Goblin costume. And maybe it's a bit TOO mushy.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yes to go back in time instead of forward. :up:

Anywho, I just heard so many people especially in this thread say "It's a fun movie". Well maybe I want a good movie. LOL

who says theyre mutually exclusive terms?

After all it is entertainment we're talking about here, with most things being subjective. Some times you just miss the boat on things that the majority of people like. That's just life I guess. I cant say I liked the movie Titanic, but it obviously struck a chord with people, and I dont consider them on a lesser plane of intelligence than me because of it. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i barely laughed at spiderman, how the hell was the movie funny? parts of the film was utter crap. the first time i watched it i was like woah, after repeat veiwings, the film sucked.

[kainedamo]

What sucked about it?

[Erzengel]

who says theyre mutually exclusive terms?
In some cases they aren't. This year's Summer Movies they are.

After all it is entertainment we're talking about here, with most things being subjective. Some times you just miss the boat on things that the majority of people like. That's just life I guess. I cant say I liked the movie Titanic, but it obviously struck a chord with people, and I dont consider them on a lesser plane of intelligence than me because of it. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Oh I agree. But most movies, I can usually understand why it did do well. And honestly I hope I have never put myself above people for liking a movie that I didn't particularly like.

Then again You Got Served was #1 at the box office too. LOL.

[kainedamo]

who says theyre mutually exclusive terms?

A movie being a fun movie and a movie being good??

Well, it just seems to me that people are making excuses, one of those excuses being "it's just meant to be a fun movie", whenever people like me and Erz point out flaws in the movie.

[GoldenAgeHero]

GAH, were you impressed by any of the movies this year?

whats your definition of impressed? I'll be honest I have'nt been impressed by any comic adaption ever since 2000. the original superman, B'89 and returns impressed me, because it was my first time watching them and they introduced me to the characters and mythos.

this year i really have'nt seen a film that really impressed, like give you goosebumps impressed. I enjoyed inside man and POTC2. but i barely go to theaters.


films in the 80's and 90's impressed me alot more.

[Erzengel]

V for Vendetta, I really enjoyed. I will buy that in DVD.

SR, I got goosebumps during the opening and then well, I explained my reasons for that.

Other than that, I do want to watch Lady in the Water and Clerks 2 but until Spiderman 3 comes out next year, I'm not jonesing to see anything else.

[The Incredible Hulk]

A movie being a fun movie and a movie being good??

Well, it just seems to me that people are making excuses, one of those excuses being "it's just meant to be a fun movie", whenever people like me and Erz point out flaws in the movie.

Again, you're getting into subjective viewpoints here. When people say that POTC2 is a "fun movie," it doesnt mean they dont believe it's good. They're just explaining the appeal of it. They went to the theater and had a fun experience, which to them would most likely qualify as it being good, I'm guessing. It's entertainment after all, isnt that the point?

Then again you've got varying degrees of "good" films. If you judge each and every film as if it's got to be some epic think piece or cinematic achievement in the vein of Citizen Kane, it's probably misguided since most films dont aspire to be that. A Clockwork Orange is a good film. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good film. Caddyshack is a good film. Fight Club is a good film, all on different levels. All of them have their flaws. and every film does.

[Mee]

V for Vendetta, I really enjoyed. I will buy that in DVD.

SR, I got goosebumps during the opening and then well, I explained my reasons for that.

Other than that, I do want to watch Lady in the Water and Clerks 2 but until Spiderman 3 comes out next year, I'm not jonesing to see anything else.
Not even Casino Royale? Or not in to the Bond movies?

[Erzengel]

Not even Casino Royale? Or not in to the Bond movies?

Bourne owns Bond except for Sean Connery.

[kainedamo]

Then again you've got varying degrees of "good" films. If you judge each and every film as if it's got to be some epic think piece or cinematic achievement in the vein of Citizen Kane, it's probably misguided since most films dont aspire to be that. A Clockwork Orange is a good film. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good film. Caddyshack is a good film. Fight Club is a good film, all on different levels. All of them have their flaws. and every film does.


That's really not the kind of expectations I have for when I go to the cinema. I don't ask for much, just that the movie is good for whatever genre it's in. But regardless of genre, there are a few things that every movie needs to be good. They need to have good script and good direction and all that stuff. The film needs to hold your attention and grab you and make you interested in the characters. Films need more than fluff.

POTC 2 is meant to be a swashbuckiling adventure with comedy, romance, and adventure. It falls flat for me. It's because I'm not interested in the characters. The script doesn't hold my attention. There really isn't an awful lot to the movie other than one liners and action.

[kainedamo]

GoldenAgeHero, what is it about the Spider-Man movie that sucks?

[GoldenAgeHero]

What sucked about it?


the lines we're cheesy and the action stuncked. and the whole characterization fell flat. everyone except for aunt may and uncle been felt like a cardboard. "im your friendly neighborhood spiderman" liner was crapped up by tobey's delivery. and the whole thing felt like i was being pulled into a spiderman film that was being directed in the 80's. the film was just really lame.
"go web go!" i wanted to kill myself.


not everyone enjoys cheesiness. raimi shouldve just kept that shnit up to himself.

spidey 2 was waaaaay better then the first, the characterizations of the characters we're definitely a step up from the first. although this film still felt a cheesy. especially when he'sdeiveringt hose pizzas and sneaks into the janitors room and the broom sticks kept falling out.......... talk about slap stick comedy.

[kainedamo]

the lines we're cheesy and the action stuncked. and the whole characterization fell flat. everyone except for aunt may and uncle been felt like a cardboard. "im your friendly neighborhood spiderman" liner was crapped up by tobey's delivery. and the whole thing felt like i was being pulled into a spiderman film that was being directed in the 80's. the film was just really lame.
"go web go!" i wanted to kill myself.

spidey 2 was waaaaay better then the first, the characterizations of the characters we're definitely a step up from the first.

The only lines that I felt were too cheesy were the ones at the start. "This story is about a girl, bla bla". The action didn't stink! Watching Spidey get his ass kicked was like watcing a very dark Rocky film! It was like... "ow! Jeez! Didn't expect that!". He even whelps like a little girl at one point. Great stuff! The action is much more epic in the sequel though.

The characters were not cardboard to me at all! I love all of the characters! Harry, May, Ben, Norman, MJ, Peter, Jameson, they all came alive to me. Nothing cardboard about Willem Dafoe's performance at all, he was quite menacing, while having a little humor, and I felt quite sympathetic to him too. Nothing that was happening was his fault, it was the evil personality taking over. I liked how he tried to be a father to Peter. James Franco did a great Harry! The pain in his face at the end during the funeral, felt really genuine. Mary Jane and Peter had genuine chemistry. Man I love this film so much!

When you say it seemed like it was being made in the 80's. I don't think you like Sam Raimi's directing style. I however love it. I can see where you're coming from though.

[GoldenAgeHero]

V for Vendetta, I really enjoyed. I will buy that in DVD.

SR, I got goosebumps during the opening and then well, I explained my reasons for that.

Other than that, I do want to watch Lady in the Water and Clerks 2 but until Spiderman 3 comes out next year, I'm not jonesing to see anything else.


i forgot to say that the bourne movies did impress me, those we're really great flicks. and i plan on going to see clerks 2 and lady in the water... but i dont think I'll enojoy it. sm3.....eh,im not really holding my breath for it. i know imnitpicking when i say this, but i find it lame they painted to regular spidey costume black and not go with the black and white version. I really don't see why they could'nt put an ounce of effort to do that.

[U.S War Machine]

I thought the movie was alright and I'm guessing Barbossa is going to be a good guy?

[GoldenAgeHero]

The only lines that I felt were too cheesy were the ones at the start. "This story is about a girl, bla bla". The action didn't stink! Watching Spidey get his ass kicked was like watcing a very dark Rocky film! It was like... "ow! Jeez! Didn't expect that!". He even whelps like a little girl at one point. Great stuff! The action is much more epic in the sequel though.

The characters were not cardboard to me at all! I love all of the characters! Harry, May, Ben, Norman, MJ, Peter, Jameson, they all came alive to me. Nothing cardboard about Willem Dafoe's performance at all, he was quite menacing, while having a little humor, and I felt quite sympathetic to him too. Nothing that was happening was his fault, it was the evil personality taking over. I liked how he tried to be a father to Peter. James Franco did a great Harry! The pain in his face at the end during the funeral, felt really genuine. Mary Jane and Peter had genuine chemistry. Man I love this film so much!

When you say it seemed like it was being made in the 80's. I don't think you like Sam Raimi's directing style. I however love it. I can see where you're coming from though.


like a dark rocky movie? now your just over exxaggerating.

sam's directing style is pretty bland, which is probably why i never enjoyed any of his films. i hope another director jumps onboard for 4,5 and 6.

[BloodyWolverine]

spiderman 2 was alright. i was'nt really impressed by it. but it was good. same goes with BB itwas alright i was'nt wowed by it, its pretty much overrated.
Hate to pick but Batman Begins is one of the best comic book adaptations i've seen. Since Batman 1. Other then x-men i have been dissapointed in comic book movies. Batman Begin was 10 times better then Superman Returns in just acting alone. They did not have an effects fest for its magic was great casting. Like in x-men. I think casting is everything in a movie. Rings, Harry Potter, and Pirates are successfull due to great casting. Spiderman is a box office pop corny fun like Pirates to me. I have mixed love and hate for Spiderman movies.

I would have liked to have seen more learning power development in 1 and a differnat Mary Jane. I myself would have casted Jake Gyllenhal or Topher Grace as peter parker. Spiderman special effect wise is ok but i just never got on board with the cast as i did X-Men or Pirates.

Now most people hated Fantatsic Four and loved The Hulk. I liked FF for i liked most of the cast. I think Viggo Mortenson would have made agreat Dr.Doom or Jeramy Irons. Other then that i liked the cast.
Its not as good as X-men no but its not that bad. The Hulk was a disaster to me. As was how Blade was tanked in the last movie. Daredevil was a snore fest and Punisher could have been really great with Travolta s the villain but again wrong casting killed Punisher.

[Orko Is King]

Fangirls saw it multiple times. They'll never **** Johnny Depp but watching him run around in a pirate outft is the nextg best thing to them.

[Erzengel]

Well that was key in Titanic's success. Lotr, Spiderman and Star Wars have their geeks but Titanic tapped into that pre/teen girl outlet. Anyways, $9.00 is $9.00 doesn't matter who shells it out in the end.

[Mee]

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[I SEE SPIDEY]

This sounds like a whinning thread. And to answer the question, people liked the first one and wanted to check it out.

[Erzengel]

Eh. It's only whining when the opinions differ from that of your own.

The other side of the coin is that there are quite a bit of people who weren't wowed by this movie and they are entitled to voice their opinion.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Eh. It's only whining when the opinions differ from that of your own.

The other side of the coin is that there are quite a bit of people who weren't wowed by this movie and they are entitled to voice their opinion.Nah, I wasn't wowed by it either (give it a 8.5/10) but that still doesn't change the fact that this is a whinning thread.

[Erzengel]

8.5 isn't wowed? LOL That's like a B+ in school. :)

I give it a 6 out of 10 myself.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

8.5 isn't wowed? LOL That's like a B+ in school. :)

I give it a 6 out of 10 myself.Good for you. I could start the same thread about Finding Nemo, Harry Potter and all three Starwars prequels but I won't.

There isn't anything wrong with whinning threads, I've started a few myself actually.

A 9 and above is a wow for me but 8.5 can be a wow. I don't give the movie a strong 8 and a half but I did like it.

[Erzengel]

I think there is a difference between criticizing something and whining about it.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think there is a difference between criticizing something and whining about it.Sure there is but I see this as whinning. The movie shouldn't have made this much because he doesn't like it? He doesn't speak for everyone. Honestly, I don't understand why people liked Finding Nemo so much, I find it to be Pixar's lamest effort (I haven't seen Cars yet) but people love it.

[Erzengel]

I don't care how much Pirates makes.

But I call it like I see it and I think many if not all of my criticisms of this movie are valid.

[Cyrusbales]

Yes, POTC 2 is a poor film, i think 6 is generous. a 5.5 maybe.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes, POTC 2 is a poor film, i think 6 is generous. a 5.5 maybe.It's a poor film to you. Did you like the Phantom Menace?

[Speedball]

It's a poor film to you. Did you like the Phantom Menace?
I'm not even sure he likes movies.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not even sure he likes movies.lol Why do you say that?

[Speedball]

lol Why do you say that?
He hasn't named a single one he has liked.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He hasn't named a single one he has liked.Oh, so he's one of those people. Good to know.

[Cyrusbales]

i didnt like phatom menace much, why bother making it? It was made in a completely different manner to the classic originals.

[Cyrusbales]

i do like lots of movies, in the mood for love, 2046, casablanca, the big sleep, cabinett of doctor caligari, metropolis, blade runner, logans run, in a lonely place, city of god, talk to her, bad education, kids, the machinist.....

[Cyrusbales]

i can name more if you like?

[Erzengel]

But can you do it all in one post?

[Cyrusbales]

3 is the magic number

[Hunter Rider]

Kids ? as in that camcorder filmed depressed,aids carrying,park thugging flick ?

[Cyrusbales]

yer, it's a quite revolutionary film, using real people not actors, about a real subject, a perfect anti-balance for all those teen loving it movies like clueless etc.

[Hunter Rider]

Except for the fact it was completely bogus self indulgent repugnant and depressing crap IMO