Discusin' the Villians

[Hunter Rider]

what does everyone think of the choice of mephisto as the lead villian for the movie i'm not sure it could end up being a crappy CGI creation like at the end of hellboy.I would have preferd Blackout or deathwatch.I guess there saving Vengeance for the sequel

[BIGGUN]

Mephisto HAS to be the main villain....he has been since day one of the original series and even the 90s series(or at least he was called Satan back then).
to not include him in the movie would be a big mistake.
now the only thing is i do not want to see him fight GR....Mephisto never engaged in hand to hand combat w/ lesser beings. he was always the dude who controlled things ....had other creatures do his dirty work for him.
if its true on what MSJ told me about Blackheart being in the movie he would be the one who would fight GR. that i can see happening.
really dont want Blackout as the main villain....he wouldnt last more than 3 minutes in a fight w/ GR. unless, of course they give him more powers which would not make him "Blackout" anymore. he would make a good lesser secondary villain though....something like a henchman type of role.
Vengeance might work....but use him for later sequels (if any)

[Hunter Rider]

Mephisto HAS to be the main villain....he has been since day one of the original series and even the 90s series(or at least he was called Satan back then).
to not include him in the movie would be a big mistake.
now the only thing is i do not want to see him fight GR....Mephisto never engaged in hand to hand combat w/ lesser beings. he was always the dude who controlled things ....had other creatures do his dirty work for him.
if its true on what MSJ told me about Blackheart being in the movie he would be the one who would fight GR. that i can see happening.
really dont want Blackout as the main villain....he wouldnt last more than 3 minutes in a fight w/ GR. unless, of course they give him more powers which would not make him "Blackout" anymore. he would make a good lesser secondary villain though....something like a henchman type of role.
Vengeance might work....but use him for later sequels (if any)
i am just getting into GR at the moment as its hard to get books so i take your more informed point about mephisto who by the way is blackheart.
do you know the budget for GR or if anyone will be cast as mephisto or will he be CGI(hope not)
i wondwer if it is only moderately succesfull like punisher if they might put the 2 together like AVP

[BIGGUN]

the budget of 70mil has been talked about for a long time but then i heard it was 40 mil. maybe 70mil is the total amount after marketing costs...we will see
since Cage is attached as Blaze and that Sony wants this to be a Summer blockbuster type of film im sure they want this to do better than say Hellboy...maybe they want it to get about 100 mil at least.
im not worried too much about the cgi...from the looks of things the producers want this film to do well. it would be a great embarrassment if they used crappy cgi effects for a film that stars someone like Nic Cage. just wouldnt look good on Marvel's part.
no one has been cast as Mephisto yet....but who knows they may make an announcement this Wed at the Q&A session in Melbourne.
i do hope they dont show Mephisto's true form too much....it always seemed creepier to me when they just hinted at Satan's true form.

[Hunter Rider]

$70M dosent sound bad but ithink that $100M shouldve been given to MSJ

there will be a lot of visual effects and there is nothing worse than bad CGI to bring you out of a good movie.
Do you think he will get the kind of leway LOTR got with violence?

[CaptainStacy]

They should go with Lilith as the main villain. That way her Lilin (demonic offspring) can be used as serious challenges to GR....plus, think of all the cool action figures!!!

[BIGGUN]

Do you think he will get the kind of leway LOTR got with violence?

i think they can....simply make quick cuts right as you see something get killed. and if you noticed in the LOTR films most or all of the dismemberments were orcs and goblins. i think they can get away w/ the gore since the beings that were being killed were not human and did not have normal colored blood.


Lilith would be cool....but again i would save her for if/when Ketch becomes the new GR. you could really make several films around Lilith if need be.
Blackheart can still use underlings....after all he is the son of Mephisto and would be entitled to using cronies like his dad. added to the fact that BH and Mephisto want to kill each other it would add some cool background for BH. he could even be a slightly sympathetic villain if need be.
BH in his own warped view of reality feels that he would be a better ruler of Hell than his father and that mankind would be better off if Mephisto is gone.
sadly he feels that "the ends justify the means" and uses tactics just as bad as his father's to reach his goal. maybe where thousands of innocent people would be killed as a result of BH attempting to destroy Mephisto.

[Hunter Rider]

could someone please post pics of lilith and Blackheart as i am not familiar with them

[BIGGUN]

Blackheart.....imagine seeing this on the big screen....

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/gallus82/blackheart.jpg


will see if i can find any of Lilith...

[Hunter Rider]

Blackheart.....imagine seeing this on the big screen....




will see if i can find any of Lilith... Thanks i think he would look great on the big screen especially if done with prosthetics and just topped up with CGI.

[BIGGUN]

No prob..
here is one of Lilith...think they would have to change some things on her though..

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/lilth13.gif

[Hunter Rider]

No prob..
here is one of Lilith...think they would have to change some things on her though..

Yes definately some changes needed but not the usual leather outfit like every other female comic character put on screen.
Any Suggestions?
Sorry to be a pain but got any vengeance or V vs GR pics you could post i want to get more informed on GR's enemies

[Hunter Rider]

Just read MSJ's melbourne comments.
The abandoned railway chopper Chase sequence sounds potentially awesome but budget stretching.
I hope it dosen't replace the scene where Gr rides up the side of a skyscraper and jumps through a chopper that avi arad mentioned in empire.:ghost:

[FlameHead]

I can't believe it's taken me so long to post to this thread. I've been passing it by lately as I've only been on these boards at work and I just didn't have the time necessary to make a good post. Now I do. So... here I am, now that the conversation has dried up. Better late, than never I guess.

Mephisto
I'm happy that Mephisto is the baddie, like most other people. After all, without him Johnny Blaze would never have become Ghost Rider. If this is an Origin story (and I suspect it is) then they're gonna need the guy (and I use that term loosely) that created him.
I agree with BIGGUN on him not being shown in true for at this time as well. The longer we think the guy is human, the better. Having said that, I think there should come a time where we do see his true form. Perhaps in a sequal. Why? Because there are some really great panels that I would love to see in motion.
I wonder who's gonna be casted now....

Blackheart
If he is used, he should be a henchmen and probably will be. Mephisto will probably rise him from the pits of hell and send him loose. Ghost Rider will make way with him and move on. I wonder what he'll look like if he is used. Will he be in his true form or be hiding like Mephisto likely will?
BIGGUN, I took some pics of him from the HOD book. I'll post them here when I get a chance to photoshop and upload them.

Blackout
Hunter, you mentioned Blackout in your first post and didn't really talk about him much after that. I think it's because BlackHeart started being discussed. Anyway, I think he'd make a good villian as well but probably can be saved for the Lilith Storyline that I hope happens someday. He is a Grandson of hers...

Lilith
As much as I love her as a villian and as much as I love her entire family I think it's too big, too soon. I mean, the story in the comics span over 5 or 6 titles involving tonnes of issues. I know this can be condensed but it'll still take a lot of time to develope. I picture her story as a trilogy alone... and we'll probably never see that happen.

Vengence
I don't know about having Vengence on screen with Ghost Rider. I think it would be too confusing and would in turn take away from seeing Ghost Rider on screen. Two flaming heads aren't necessarily better. It's sorta like the whole Blade and Hannibal King thing. Having two vampires fighting side by side would take away from Blade being a vampy and fighting other vampies... so they made Hannibal king an ex vampy.
PLUS, Vengence becomes a good guy after a short peried of time and ends up discovering that he has part of the Medallion of Power. He is a Midnight Son. This means, he's not really an enemy.

This is him......
http://members.aol.com/zarimages/Vengence.jpg

[FlameHead]

Here are those BlackHeart pics I mentioned....

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/3935/Black5.jpg

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/6382/Black6.jpg

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/5797/Black7.jpg

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/4474/Blackout4.jpg

[Master Kenobi]

CONFIRMED:

Blackheart & Mephistopholes

will be the villians in the Ghost Rider Movie!

Confirmed by Mark Steven Johnson and producers.

[Metamorpho1977]

Is John Voigt still attached to play a villain?

John Voigt as Mephisto should be cool.

[MarvelMovies]

Sorry Metamorpho..

But, Jon Voight is not acting in Ghost Rider anymore.. but he is going to be a producer.. so he is still attached, but in the same position..

I do agree.. he would've made an awesome villian..

[Hunter Rider]

Vengence
I don't know about having Vengence on screen with Ghost Rider. I think it would be too confusing and would in turn take away from seeing Ghost Rider on screen. Two flaming heads aren't necessarily better. It's sorta like the whole Blade and Hannibal King thing. Having two vampires fighting side by side would take away from Blade being a vampy and fighting other vampies... so they made Hannibal king an ex vampy.
PLUS, Vengence becomes a good guy after a short peried of time and ends up discovering that he has part of the Medallion of Power. He is a Midnight Son. This means, he's not really an enemy.


First of Great to see GR with his own forum.
Secondly thanks for the cool vengeance pic and all the info.

Read the MSJ Q&A report not a lot of info though,why havent they confirmed Cage is there a problem?
still i liked the modern western analogy.
ive mentioned this before but does anyone know if this qoute from avi arad is about a definate scene in the movie,"when you see Gr ride his flaming motorcycle up a skyscraper and then jump through a helicopter you will beleive" ?
as for story do you think MSJ wiil make it work i have been reading up and its pretty heavy stuff ?
I take your point about Vengeance.
Do you think they will have an ongoing storyline for the whole run(hopefully 3 at least) or a different villian story for each ?
if they go different i would like to see Centurious with Steel Wind And Steel Vengeance as his henchladies(i want some bike on bike action!) this would mean you could still keep mephisto involved beacause of his link to centurious.
I hope i got that last bit right.
Does anybody agree Gr will be the most Visually amazing hero ever put on screen ?
Anyway i am just glad its finally getting made.:) :ghost:

[The Flash]

Blackheart.....imagine seeing this on the big screen....

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/gallus82/blackheart.jpg


will see if i can find any of Lilith...
That's one of the coolest shots I've seen of Blackheart so far. Thanks for posting it BIGGUN.

Has there been any mention of Memphisto as being the main villain yet?

[Hunter Rider]

That's one of the coolest shots I've seen of Blackheart so far. Thanks for posting it BIGGUN.

Has there been any mention of Memphisto as being the main villain yet?Yes he is the main villian check the SHH report:)

[zer00]

Here are those BlackHeart pics I mentioned....



After seeing these..looks like I'm going to go read 'hearts of darkness' again.

[The Flash]

Yes he is the main villian check the SHH report:)
Thanks. I didn't know for sure. Some say he wasn't going to be, and some say he is. So you can see how I get confused.

[FlameHead]

First of Great to see GR with his own forum.
Secondly thanks for the cool vengeance pic and all the info.

Read the MSJ Q&A report not a lot of info though,why havent they confirmed Cage is there a problem?
still i liked the modern western analogy.
ive mentioned this before but does anyone know if this qoute from avi arad is about a definate scene in the movie,"when you see Gr ride his flaming motorcycle up a skyscraper and then jump through a helicopter you will beleive" ?
as for story do you think MSJ wiil make it work i have been reading up and its pretty heavy stuff ?
I take your point about Vengeance.
Do you think they will have an ongoing storyline for the whole run(hopefully 3 at least) or a different villian story for each ?
if they go different i would like to see Centurious with Steel Wind And Steel Vengeance as his henchladies(i want some bike on bike action!) this would mean you could still keep mephisto involved beacause of his link to centurious.
I hope i got that last bit right.
Does anybody agree Gr will be the most Visually amazing hero ever put on screen ?
Anyway i am just glad its finally getting made.:) :ghost:

If the movie is successful then, it'll get three. I think it will be successfull. If it is, I'd love to see a Lilith story line come into play. I do agree that a Steel sister battle would be awesome... and most likely the way they would go with a sequal.

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks. I didn't know for sure. Some say he wasn't going to be, and some say he is. So you can see how I get confused.
No problem and i know its easy to get confused as there is so many rumors particualy on the net.:) :ghost:

[FlameHead]

We'll likely here a dozen more rumors yet. The net created a world of lies mixed with half truths. You just have to sift through the bull**** to find the truth... and not crap on anybody along the way.

[Nero_Ordin]

the villians sound great. i can't wait to see this movie

[Crowley9]

But isn't Blaze's greatest foe Zarathos?

[FlameHead]

In a way, yes. Zarathos is the entity that possesed him. Zarathos is Ghost Rider. Blaze was always fighting with him for control over his body.

Years after they were seperated, he fought him again, this time along side the 2nd coming of Ghost Rider (Noble Kale). Zarathos had escaped his enprisonment in the soul crystal and joined forces with Lilith. Of course, the bros stopped the destruction in the end.

[spideyboy_1111]

I want to see pics of these guys!! SO BAD when will we get them? lol

[AmerikazMostWanted]

read this thread and if what he says about blackhart is actually true then your gonna be pretty damn disapointed :( .....*cough*bino*cough*

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175165

[spideyboy_1111]

not to bad.. the final fight sounds nice... but... if that all powerful relic thing happens maybe he turns into the black heart we know? if they could pull it off he could be one of the coolest monsters in movie history


lol and please people need to really stop with the -INO crap... it was kool with catwoman.. but it's annoying as hell now

[AmerikazMostWanted]

that was my first time using ino :(

[spideyboy_1111]

sorry.... but better to stop it at the begining :)

[AmerikazMostWanted]

your right i hate that word to. and i also hope there is some relic thing i wanna see the big monster guy to.

[spideyboy_1111]

i think we all do

[Spider-X]

Has it been confirmed whether Blackheart will look like the huge black demon from the comics..or will they just make him look human, but evil looking?

[Hunter Rider]

I believe the last we heard was that he is gonna be vampiric

[Spider-X]

hmmm...interesting, thanks :)

[BIGGUN]

keep in mind thats just from one person who said they saw the designs...and it has not been confirmed by MSJ and company yet.

[Abe]

Nor has this one person returned to back up his story......

[Spider-X]

alrighty then...what all do we know about this movie?

[FlameHead]

We know lots... but very little of it is about Blackheart yet.

I'm really hoping that he doesn't just look vampiric. Such a cool lookin' character should not be wasted.

[Uncanny Orb]

I'm guessing it will be like most movies that have demons in them, they spend all of the movie in a human form then for the final battle they reveal thier true form, which I hope is just like the comic. But he will probably have a shotgun. :(

[FlameHead]

You're probably right on that. They are going with a western type theme which means a gun is almost needed. The shapeshifting idea you mentioned is likely the way they'll go as well. It's too expensive to have him full CGed all the time. I REALLY hope he's like he's supposed to be though.

Hmmm... I wonder will he be riding a bike?

[Riggs15382]

a good action scene would be like the opening scene in lethal weapon 4. Ghost rider would be standing there shooting flames at cops and crap.

[Mr Nick]

Shooting crap? Has he got a poo-flinging power I haven't heard about?;)

[Riding Ghost]

a good action scene would be like the opening scene in lethal weapon 4. Ghost rider would be standing there shooting flames at cops and crap.

yeah, that would be cool :up:

[Riding Ghost]

But he will probably have a shotgun. :(

Damn, Blackheart with a shotgun too!!! that would further suck :rolleyes:

[FlameHead]

I don't know about sucking but, it's going to be different. It'll probably work well in the stylized genre that they are creating.

[ObakeTora]

I just realized something. Mephisto is gonna be in this movie!!!!! Yay!!!! :D

[EDIT] By the way, ObakeTora="Ghost Tiger"

[Caliber]

Shooting crap? Has he got a poo-flinging power I haven't heard about?;)

This is a comment from a friend. Hes passionate or something like that. "you haven't heard about poopoo flinging action because he doesn't have poopoo fling action you weenie":daredevil

[Mr Nick]

Only joking. See the wink?

;)

[Weadazoid]

I just realized something. Mephisto is gonna be in this movie!!!!! Yay!!!! :D

[EDIT] By the way, ObakeTora="Ghost Tiger"


yeah and he is going to be played by legend and Origional Easy Rider, Peter Fonda

Peter is going to bring us a very interesting Devel.

Sam Elliot will play THe Care taker

and Wes Bently best known for his protrayal of Ricky Fits in the American Beauty will play Black heart. - When black heart appear in human form can he look like anyone he wants? or is set to one look?

[Caliber]

Only joking. See the wink?

;)

I understand but my friend lord lust doesn't.

[Weadazoid]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/fonda.bmp (http://photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/?)


I don't know why but he strikes me as near perfect, perhaps it is the lines in his face, the shape of his chin, or the way he looks and carries himself on film


He is the Origional easy Rider.


and there is something evil in his smile

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/peter.bmp (http://photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/?)

[FlameHead]

ooooohh. Nice pic! Truly evil indeed!

[Weadazoid]

why thank you, I also think his hairline is nearly perfect, though he will need a bit of work, it is near perfect.

[Mr Nick]

Nice choice of pic Weadazoid. I see what you mean. He does have that devilish grin and wicked charm. Reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Witches of Eastwick!

I just hope that's the kind of character we see in the film and not the cheesy "Grrrrrrr. Behold. I am Evil!!!!" type.

:up:

[FlameHead]

yeah and he is going to be played by legend and Origional Easy Rider, Peter Fonda

Peter is going to bring us a very interesting Devel.

Sam Elliot will play THe Care taker

and Wes Bently best known for his protrayal of Ricky Fits in the American Beauty will play Black heart. - When black heart appear in human form can he look like anyone he wants? or is set to one look?

That I don't know. I'm not even sure if he does change to human form in the comics. I think this is something we're speculating that they'll do for the movie.

[Weadazoid]

Nice choice of pic Weadazoid. I see what you mean. He does have that devilish grin and wicked charm. Reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Witches of Eastwick!

I just hope that's the kind of character we see in the film and not the cheesy "Grrrrrrr. Behold. I am Evil!!!!" type.

:up:


I can't picutre an actor as great as Fonda sighning up for that kind of role LOL.

[Spider-X]

anything new on how Blackheart will look in the movie?

[batfan1028]

Who is the villain and if he was announced can some one show pics of the villain.

Thank you

[AmerikazMostWanted]

blackjack and mephisto

[BIGGUN]

blackjack and mephisto

?
you mean Blackheart :ghost:

but to answer your question batfan there hasnt been any official pics of either Peter Fonda (Mephisto) or Wes Bentley (Blackheart)....yet.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

oops , yeah

[FlameHead]

Nope. Not yet... but we do know that there are CG effects being added to the performances.

[dos_acoustic]

I didnt see a thread on this so....any news, pics, or anything on Mephisto and Blackheart yet? Might be a little early but oh well

[FlameHead]

Not to be rude but, you didn't look very hard. There are several threads about the villians.

[batman 833]

Well i know that theres already a thread like this but my title is different so is the concept, what i mean is i dont mind that BH is in human form for most of the movie but he should have trasformations with glimpses of him killing people, you know like seing only a silouette of him in beast form and seing him grabing people by the necks and just disapearing them, and also see like the shine of his eyes, almost each time he's on screen in his human form showing like he's dying to transform and break lose on everyone you know like seing his face like ripple and his skin like change for less than a second just to freak people out, and then by the end transforming into the huge muscled black blue demon we all know and have him and GR have a massive fight and BH broking GR's chain and forcing him to use his bare hands in a battle involving fist head buts helfire you know all hell breaking loose, what do you guys think,tell me your thoughs

[dos_acoustic]

sorry didnt see this one

[gothamsterror]

I think Blackheart should look vampiric at first but through the movie you see him become a silhouette/shadow and at the end he becomes the Blackheart we know and love :ghost:

[FlameHead]

As long as we see the Blackheart we all know and love, I'll be happy.

sorry didnt see this one

No prob. Happens all the time.

[Mr. Freeze]

hey that link didnt work could u show another or just post it on here or somethind id really like to know

or could someone explain it? if so that wouldbe greatly appreciated

[Bucknutty]

nice

[Mr. Freeze]

??????

[U.S War Machine]

Has it been confirmed whether Blackheart will look like the huge black demon from the comics..or will they just make him look human, but evil looking?That would suck if he was human.

[Crowley9]

Didn't Mephisto give Blackheart human appearance in his first appearance? He looked like a goth kid that reminded me of Sandman. He didn't even go up against Ghost Rider that time, but Spiderman and Daredevil.

[BIGGUN]

Didn't Mephisto give Blackheart human appearance in his first appearance? He looked like a goth kid that reminded me of Sandman. He didn't even go up against Ghost Rider that time, but Spiderman and Daredevil.


i never caught BH's 1st appearance....it was in Daredevil wasnt it?
BH or Mephisto appearing human in the film should not be a big deal......just as long as they are shown in their true forms at some time in the film. it would just make sense that if demons/devils are trying not to attract attention they would appear like a normal person. its a standard trick in alot of devil films.

[FlameHead]

Aye, it is. I dont' mind that at all... but as you say, they must show something more than that. There has to be some sort of demon form somewhere.

As for BH's first appearance... I'm not sure either. There just isn't any good profile's about him online... which is strange.

[Doombringer]

The characters of Mephisto and Blackheart are... very demonic in appearence at best. My hunch is that they'll appear in human form for most of the duration of the film, but do you think they will appear as their comic counterparts? Perhaps close to the end of the movie, their true forms will be unveiled to dramatic and visually awesome levels. Kinda like the feeling you get when you see Satan in End of Days at the end. Mephisto is pretty much Satan of the Marvel Universe, his power is on a universal scale, hes gone toe to toe with the likes of Galactus, Thanos, and Surfer periodically.

My feeling is that he deserves the right treatment for his appearence. More so Blackheart, whose even more visually menacing than Mephisto. Perhaps on Mephisto's part they can change his true form around a bit so he doesnt have his reseding hairline, red undies, and loose sock looking boots... but Blackheart is perfect, hope they dont change a damn thing.

[BIGGUN]

I certainly dont want to see Mephisto running around in a red cape w/ socks...that would not work for the film. they hired Miles Teves to do conceptual artwork for the movie...and if youve seen his stuff he speciallizes in demons and devils. the classic style of hooven feet, huge bat wings, goat's horns, ect. sounds good to me..

Blackheart's comic appearance definately would work in the film.....i just hope that rumor of him looking like a nosferatu is false...or at least that is just one form he changes into. it would be a supreme waste if they dont have BH look something like he did in the comics.

MSJ did say you would see their true form at the end of the film and get little hints during the movie that are not human. that sounds cool to me

[FlameHead]

Having seen that Extra footage, I think the report on Blackheart could have been confused with this water guy... who we believe to be Wallow.

I'm really hoping that they do the comic Blackheart. I really am.

[MarvelMovies]

I just mentioned this in the "Ghost Rider FAQ" thread, but there was a set image (it's posted in the IGR gallery, but that's down) where Peter Fonda as Mephisto talks to Johnny Blaze (Nic Cage).

In the pictures, Mephisto is dressed in a black overcoat, looking like Peter Fonda with the hair slicked back, and I'm sure that wicked smile.

As MSJ said, their true appearances will show up at the end of the film, and only certain showings will appear throughout the early and middle parts of the film. He compared it to the "Black Hole Sun" music video, by Black Hole Sun (Which I'm going to try and put online, instead of just screen captures.. but anyways).. how the skin bubbles, and the smiles stretch a little farther then humans.

Again like I said in the other thread, I just watched "Constantine." Balthazar in that movie looks completely human, dressed in an Armani suit with slicked back hair, but at the end of the film, he shows a form truer to his real evil self, then the human look. I think that "Ghost Rider" will be just like this.

Humans dressed up to blend in, but at the end.. the blender is turned off.

[Mr. Freeze]

ehy Flamehead or someone else doesn't matter, could ya show me a picture of Balckheart or Mephistor in the comics????

and who's the willow???

[MarvelMovies]

ehy Flamehead or someone else doesn't matter, could ya show me a picture of Balckheart or Mephistor in the comics????

and who's the willow???

There are tons of pics on IGR of Blackheart and Mephisto..

Figures, the page is down.

http://www.DigitalEntropy.net/Internapse/page/GR/villians.html

When it does come back though.

[FlameHead]

I just mentioned this in the "Ghost Rider FAQ" thread, but there was a set image (it's posted in the IGR gallery, but that's down) where Peter Fonda as Mephisto talks to Johnny Blaze (Nic Cage).

In the pictures, Mephisto is dressed in a black overcoat, looking like Peter Fonda with the hair slicked back, and I'm sure that wicked smile.

As MSJ said, their true appearances will show up at the end of the film, and only certain showings will appear throughout the early and middle parts of the film. He compared it to the "Black Hole Sun" music video, by Black Hole Sun (Which I'm going to try and put online, instead of just screen captures.. but anyways).. how the skin bubbles, and the smiles stretch a little farther then humans.

Again like I said in the other thread, I just watched "Constantine." Balthazar in that movie looks completely human, dressed in an Armani suit with slicked back hair, but at the end of the film, he shows a form truer to his real evil self, then the human look. I think that "Ghost Rider" will be just like this.

Humans dressed up to blend in, but at the end.. the blender is turned off.

There's no doubt in my mind about them being human for most of the movie. I know this is gonna happen and I'm kinda lookin' forward to this distorting of the face stuff. I hope you're right about the blender being shut down and givin' us our due.

By the way, I just found this pics again from the set. These are the only ones we have on what we believe to be Wes Bentley... in human form.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5461/image000378zm8ic.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6115/image000403hu2nq.jpg

Oh, and here's a neat pic of Blackheart for ya.

http://membres.lycos.fr/drazhar4/hpbimg/blackheart-walkingforward.jpg

[Man-Thing]

I think blackheart should look something like this.
http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/baphomet.jpg

[Doombringer]

as Satan? Nah... they should save that kind of look for Mephisto's true form if anything. Blackheart is perfect the way he is in the comics, hes actually quite disturbing to look at... hes huge too. He towers over everyone in that Marvel vs Capcom series. Keep him the way he is i say, touch up on Mephisto though.

I just wanna be like "Holy ****!" when i see them finally, not "What is this ****..." ya know? I wanna be blown away when i finally see them in their true forms.

[FlameHead]

I'm not really as concerned with how they look, as I am about them appearing in their true form at least once...

... and I'd still love to have Wes with those tendrils...

[FlameHead]

So, we know we have one demon modeled after Wallow. Who are the other two gonna be I wonder? Somebody mentioned Blackout, after seeing the trailer; the lights going out. That's a real posibility... or a least borrowed from. Man, Blackout is a fantastic character. One of my fav villians...

Who else could they be?

[InVictus]

Well, one with water powers, one with darkness thing powers...you know, there's a pattern...they are all negatives of GR figure/powers, water to estinguish fire, darkness to consume light....maybe the third is the decay guy of the goyer script...

[FlameHead]

The Decay Guy - Great villian name. LoL.

Nice pickup on the negative powers thing; extinguish flame, which doesn't work and consuming light which also won't work. The hellfire is unstoppable.

I wonder if that really was a Blackout type character?

[InVictus]

The Decay Guy - Great villian name. LoL.

Nice pickup on the negative powers thing; extinguish flame, which doesn't work and consuming light which also won't work. The hellfire is unstoppable.

I wonder if that really was a Blackout type character?

I think the scene where that guy walked down the street, with lamps shutting off near him was hinting that. Someone must analize frame by frame who exactly is that guy. If it's Meph or BH, the darkness power could be like some "generic" evil manifestation, if not, i think it's very probable it is a special power.

[FlameHead]

The character, whoever it is, is too far away in the frame to see exactly who it is... though I do think it's Wes. It would be neat to have one of the demons modelled after Blackout though... but, the nod to the villian with the lights going out like that is pretty sweet too.

I'd like to learn more about the other villians though... just to know.

[InVictus]

It's me or...that guy has...a big head?I mean, a cap or something, or long hair...
or spikes ( just dreaming:D)

[InVictus]

I woul love to see one of the baddies look like this...
http://www.scuoladifumetto.org/sdf/sdf24.jpg
It's Bonerest, an italian comic...great design imho.

[Mr. Freeze]

yeah that would be very cool

damn i really wanna see this footage

[FlameHead]

That big white head with the teeth is pretty sweet lookin'. Very crazy without the eyes. I wouldn't mind seeing a villian something like that... though I'd rather see an actual Ghost Rider Villian first.

[Hellcycle2000]

Yo Mr Freeze, u can get the footage on Limewire, its called Ghost Rider Trailer - Sony Pulled, I hope this helps

[FlameHead]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/853/1125gc.jpg

I don't know if one of these is Wallow or not... but, that's 2 of the demons. From this shot, they look like twins or, very similar anyway.

[Mr Nick]

Gosh, I like the lighting there: that spectral bluey/greeny.

:up:

[webhead731]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9354/1398mj.jpg
Mephisto.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8756/2259ou.jpg
Blackheart.

Am I right? I read the Ghost Rider comic's, and I know what they look like in the comic's, just a little mixed up with the movie's version's. I wasn't able to watch the trailer because I didn't have QuickTime 7. So all I got was audio.
I can't wait for this movie tough.






Dang. Those picture's up their scare the crap out of me.

Just help me out.:confused:

[InVictus]

Try the wmv version available around (coughp2pcough).
But the first picture isn't Mephisto, is a minor/one of the other two servant daemon.
Mephisto is played by Fonda, easily recognizable by the hair line:)
Actually I don't think there's any screenshot of him .
The second picture is indeed Wes Bentley, Blackheart, supposedly in human form.

[zer00]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/The_Zer00_Joker_/dealwith.jpg
Mephisto

[DarkKnightJRK]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8756/2259ou.jpg

I can just imagine that guy saying "He's rapeable!" :o

[FlameHead]

Yeah, it's realy nice. It's definaly a great homage to the 2nd series comic. That color sky is ever present.

[FlameHead]

Grrrrrr, to threads started when there are many others with this information...

[webhead731]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/The_Zer00_Joker_/dealwith.jpg
Mephisto

Seriously? I thought that was just some dude.

[Man-Thing]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9354/1398mj.jpg
Mephisto.








that looks like kirk hamet from metallica.

[FlameHead]

I'm separating MSJ's comments posted today in this thread; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188064

-- There was a report a few months ago by someone who saw concept drawings for Blackheart stating the character looked like a "nosferatu type creature". Is this description true?

Blackheart is shown in what I consider his "Human form" for much of the movie. But along the way we get hints of what lies underneath. By the climax we see his true self -- and it's horrifying. There will be some of the classic comic look along with other horrific elements to his look.

I'm excited that we'll see at least some of the classic comic look... and that we're going to see his true self indeed. Yee haw!

[Mr Nick]

Yes sir, he's abiding by the classic monster movie rulebook: give a tease, then a bit more, then a final reveal. And that's cool with me!:up:

[InVictus]

Some black spines/darkness coming out of him whenever he is in shadow...that would be sweet..also him casting a giant spiked tailed demon shadow...sweet..

[Weadazoid]

he doesn't realy need that much make up IMO


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/peter.bmp (http://photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/?)
Something about that tight small smile is evil to the core, the wrinkles I also am highly suportive of in the face around the eyes, the devil should look old and wretched




he even has the right hair line

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/fonda.bmp (http://photobucket.com/albums/y59/wead/?)

I've got this deal, revenge for you a sole for me... what do you say..deal?



this guy is Mesphito, and it is nice to have the OG Easy Rider working on Ghost Rider

[Mr Nick]

Something about that tight small smile is evil to the core, the wrinkles I also am highly suportive of in the face around the eyes, the devil should look old and wretched

I'm sure Peter Fonda would love to hear that his smile's evil to the core and he looks old and wretched! But I know what you mean.

;)

[Weadazoid]

LOL..

Just in that picture, LOL

[Mr Nick]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the final reveal of Blackheart. He's so inky in the comics, I reckon he could be like Mystique and look much better on screen than on the page. Her make-up had a wonderful texture.:)

[marvelisawesome]

i think blackheart would look awesome..

[tecnowraith]

Here are what Mephisto and Blackheart looks like in the comics, to refresh our memories:
http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mephisto.jpg
This can be easily done with make-up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Umbrax/mshvsf-blackheart.gif
Some CGI or maybe make-up

[InVictus]

You forgot Mephisto 2ond form
http://plasticxo.neuf.fr/Micro_Heroes_pD/favourite/Mephisto.gif

[Weadazoid]

http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mephisto.jpgthis is why Fonda is dead on perfect.

He is skinny and lean

His face is wrinkled and leathery, the only person who would have been better is Clint Eastwood, but Peter will do just fine!

[Mr Nick]

Now you mention it, Weadazoid, it is a shame that Clint has never played Satan. He'd be perfect. I mean, you wouldn't mess, would you?

:eek:

[Vartha]

I like the idea of Mephisto and the demons looking human for a major portion of the film, But, I'd like to see Fonda get angry and his face turns into Mephsito briefly, just to remind the audiance who he is.

[kamesan]

I certainly dont want to see Mephisto running around in a red cape w/ socks...that would not work for the film.LOL.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I didn't realize that Blackheart ended up as a Ghost rider villain. Interesting...

[FlameHead]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the final reveal of Blackheart. He's so inky in the comics, I reckon he could be like Mystique and look much better on screen than on the page. Her make-up had a wonderful texture.:)

Indeed, it certainly did. It worked very well for her. I have a feeling that the villians in this one will be CGI though and no major makeup designs.

[Hellcycle2000]

i'd be great if both of their human forms just exploded or melted off to reveal whats underneath

http://home.comcast.net/~svgjr1975/spikes.bmp

[FlameHead]

I'd rather see a morphing of some sort than an explosion or melting as that's what's going to happen with Ghost Rider's transformation. I personally think they should keep it different from each other.

[BrollySupersj]

Hi I like ghost rider and I would like it if someone who is an expert can show me pictures of some of his villians. Or at least the one that are gonna be in the movie.



Thank you very much, Joe:ghost: <<< rules

[FlameHead]

If you just scroll down in the thread list you would have seen the information you're looking for...

Main Villians - Mephisto and Blackheart
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188943

The other villians...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191032

Grrr... pet peeve of mine...

[InVictus]

Rhg, wrong reply.

[FlameHead]

huh?

[FlameHead]

Some info from the comiccon; http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/20/ghostrider.htm

Question: Is there a pact like there is in the comic book?

Johnson: It is a Mephistopholes-based deal, and it's always in the background, and then Blackheart is the main villain. I did a lot of research on demonology and one of the stories I founded fascinated was the whole rebel angel story, where Lucifer led the charge into Heaven and when he lost, St. Michael cast him down and all the rebel angels became fallen angels.

One of the mythologies I really liked, some of the fallen angels didn't follow Lucifer into Hell. Some landed in the desert, some fell into the ocean, some kept falling, and they became elemental demons, demons that hide in the elements. I thought that was a really cool idea and so that was kind of the basis for Blackheart coming here. Blackheart's tired of waiting for the End of Days, so, like a lot of young people, he says I'm going to give my dad the finger and do it myself. So he comes here and he begins collecting these demons. So Johnny as the Ghost Rider must find them and bring them back.

[Gospel]

I was wondering if anyone can help me out here? I saw the picture of blackheart with the other two guys, but I have no idea who they are. I was wondering if they are only for the movie or are they characters from the comic book. if they are characters from the comic can anyone post the pictures of Wallow and Abigor from the comic book. :ghost:

[theescapeclause]

I think Abogor is new, not sure though. Wallow was one of blackhearts new spirits of vengeance in the last few issues of vol. 2. Doesn't look anything like the movie version, which is a good thing.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/theescapeclause/87.jpg

[Uncanny Orb]

I think Biggun found Abigors name is an actual Demons name and he's the General of Hells army.

[BIGGUN]

I think Biggun found Abigors name is an actual Demons name and he's the General of Hells army.


yup...gonna have to find that link again when i get the chance.
dont know if movie Abigor will be described like the "actual" demon..but its possible he could be Blackheart's right hand man in the film.

[str8raz0r]

yup...gonna have to find that link again when i get the chance.
dont know if movie Abigor will be described like the "actual" demon..but its possible he could be Blackheart's right hand man in the film.

Abigor won't be described 100% like his "true demon" counterpart. He's basically a horse-mounted demon with a standard, or pike, in his hands.

I read that in a book my friend had.

[FlameHead]

yup...gonna have to find that link again when i get the chance.
dont know if movie Abigor will be described like the "actual" demon..but its possible he could be Blackheart's right hand man in the film.

The link you're referring to I believe is in this thread:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206037

This is probably the best conversation we've had on Wallow and Abigor. There may be another thread but, I couldn't find in in glancing.

Anyway, your post BG is on the 2nd page or just go here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7150352&postcount=64

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah it seems that not just the comics are the only inspiration for this film but the actual history and information of Hell is being used.

[FlameHead]

Me likey.

[str8raz0r]

Yeah it seems that not just the comics are the only inspiration for this film but the actual history and information of Hell is being used.

Interesting...using "accepted" Christian mythology gives the movie a wrinkle that makes it more...valid, I guess?

It gives the movie a few touches of influence outside of the comics, which make it more transferrable to the "real world," making it more acceptable to non-comic folks.

Well, as believable as a flaming skeleton biker can get, I suppose.

I guess it gives the story more weight and history. Like, this stuff was going on before Blaze's life, and will be happening well after.

It has been, it is, it will be.

The more I think about this movie, the more excited I get.

I mean, cripes, Peter Fonda as Mephisto(pheles)? Brilliant!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah this movie can easily be relateable to people who themselves struggle to deal with their own temptations and sins (demons.) And how we all need help (Caretaker) to deal with them.

[FlameHead]

What are you talking about? This movie is about a huge flaming skeleton beating the **** out of bad guys. Sheesh.

[Toxin66]

shouldn't this thread be in the FAQ thread?

[Mr. Socko]

What are you talking about? This movie is about a huge flaming skeleton beating the **** out of bad guys. Sheesh.

Really? I thought it was about Bunnies and cotton candy

[FlameHead]

That's only the first half.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm too deep for this forum. :o

[Uncanny Orb]

I mean, cripes, Peter Fonda as Mephisto(pheles)? Brilliant!
When I say his part in escape from L.A. I though damn that is some bad acting right there, I just hope he does a better job in this movie. I'm not sure who I'd have picked but it wouldn't have been him.

[FlameHead]

It was a shocker for me too but, I totally understand the reasoning behind his casting. I'm sure it'll be great!

[NDX]

I'm looking forward to seeing Fonda as Mephisto. Even though I rather not, I see an Easy Rider reference or two throughout the film. It just might work in the end.

[Leon_0]

I saw one of Mephisto's pics in the movie...I hope he's not all human looking through out the entire movie, I liked him more when hes all demon-ish n kicking ass.:up:

[Midnyte_Sun]

I liked this quote from MSJ:

Director Mark Steven Johnson described Blackheart's character as: "I did a lot of research on demonology and one of the stories I founded fascinated was the whole rebel angel story, where Lucifer led the charge into Heaven and when he lost, St. Michael cast him down and all the rebel angels became fallen angels," Johnson said.

"One of the mythologies I really liked, some of the fallen angels didn't follow Lucifer into Hell. Some landed in the desert, some fell into the ocean, some kept falling, and they became elemental demons, demons that hide in the elements. I thought that was a really cool idea and so that was kind of the basis for Blackheart coming here.

"Blackheart's tired of waiting for the End of Days, so, like a lot of young people, he says I'm going to give my dad the finger and do it myself. So he comes here and he begins collecting these demons. So Johnny (Blaze) as the Ghost Rider must find them and bring them back."

[str8raz0r]

I liked this quote from MSJ:

Director Mark Steven Johnson described Blackheart's character as: "I did a lot of research on demonology and one of the stories I founded fascinated was the whole rebel angel story, where Lucifer led the charge into Heaven and when he lost, St. Michael cast him down and all the rebel angels became fallen angels," Johnson said.

"One of the mythologies I really liked, some of the fallen angels didn't follow Lucifer into Hell. Some landed in the desert, some fell into the ocean, some kept falling, and they became elemental demons, demons that hide in the elements. I thought that was a really cool idea and so that was kind of the basis for Blackheart coming here.

"Blackheart's tired of waiting for the End of Days, so, like a lot of young people, he says I'm going to give my dad the finger and do it myself. So he comes here and he begins collecting these demons. So Johnny (Blaze) as the Ghost Rider must find them and bring them back."

Nice find, Midnyte!

Despite my non-Christian beliefs, I find the Bible one of the most fascinating works of mythology out there. I like that MSJ seems to be thinking outside the box on this one, giving us a little more to chew on. I mean, a rebel demon is inevitable, as it's not like they can fall any further...a second "fall" is almost inevitable.

Man, this makes me want to go listen to Danzig's Black Aria now!

[FlameHead]

Mark is a great writer, no doubt about that. His ability to make things work in our world is beyond most. Having the fallen demons come both from the Marvel universe and from our own mythology is just brilliant.

[NDX]

Reading some (not a lot) of the info on Abigor (pretty much what was said here), I look forward to how they describe the character. If they stay loyal to his character, I wonder if Blackheart lured the demon away from Hell in order to take it over knowing the character's influencial power as well as control over his 60 legions, or is it just the namesake they took.

Note: Found my information of occultopedia.com. Nice little site.

Googling Abigor recieved way too many hits for the band.

[TwistedMentat]

I was wondering if anyone can help me out here? I saw the picture of blackheart with the other two guys, but I have no idea who they are. I was wondering if they are only for the movie or are they characters from the comic book. if they are characters from the comic can anyone post the pictures of Wallow and Abigor from the comic book. :ghost:

Dunno, but on a side note, the skinny guy (Wallow?) would have made a good Loki. Yet again, Marvel shoots themselves in the foot.

[str8raz0r]

Dunno, but on a side note, the skinny guy (Wallow?) would have made a good Loki. Yet again, Marvel shoots themselves in the foot.

I don't think they're shooting themselves in the foot. If you're going to have Loki, you're going to want the cat to be an A-list actor.

[wolfsfang]

Abigor

Eligos (also Abigor or Eligor), in demonology, is a Great Duke of Hell, ruling sixty legions of demons. He discovers hidden things, and knows the future, of wars, and how soldiers should meet. He also attracts the favours of lords, knights and other important persons.

He is depicted in the form of a goodly knight carrying a lance, an ensign and a sceptre (a serpent to some authors, most notably Aleister Crowley).

Alternatively he is depicted as a ghostly spectre, sometimes riding a winged horse.

[FlameHead]

Which he's depicted as in this flick so we've recently found out...

[wolfsfang]

Cool

[Jin Saotome]

As the story goes in the new GR movie, certain angels were cast down from heaven and landed on earth, taking up the 'elemental' properties, right? We see a water one in the clip, I'm sure there's a fire/magma, lighting, etc.... So what does Blackheart fall into? The heart of man? The absence of light? The element of human hate? In the comic he's born of man's hate/fear/evil, and all that nasty stuff that we're capable of.

[BIGGUN]

As the story goes in the new GR movie, certain angels were cast down from heaven and landed on earth, taking up the 'elemental' properties, right? We see a water one in the clip, I'm sure there's a fire/magma, lighting, etc.... So what does Blackheart fall into? The heart of man? The absence of light? The element of human hate? In the comic he's born of man's hate/fear/evil, and all that nasty stuff that we're capable of.


i think the elemental demons are the 3 cronies (Abigor, Gressel, and Wallow)....Blackheart is a different kind of demon. there is a wind/air, water, and earth (made of dirt and worms) but the fire demon is well...Ghost Rider himself only he is the "hero" demon i imagine.

[FlameHead]

This is interesting when thinking of the master chess game being played here.

Blackheart, major threat, king on the black side collects his army knowing full well what Mephisto, King on the red side, is going to use first to attack; Ghost Rider. In this universe it seems that perhaps GR is indeed the elemental demon of fire and if that is the case, Blackheart would want to gather the 3 opposite demons for his side. Water beats fire and all that jazz.

Unfortunatly, (or fortunatly) Blackheart and perhaps even Mephisto don't realize that there is another player in this game and that player is none other than Johnny. Blaze's heart and love and humanity is inveitably what will win this battle, this master chess game between higher beings, because that is exactly what BlackHeart is against. He feeds on the hate, fear and evil as was talked about.

So, anyway, the elemental demons are one one part of the story and just because they're there doesn't mean all the demons have to elemental. There are many differen't pawns that can be used.

...I spend far too much time thinking about this movie and/or character, by the way...

[str8raz0r]

...I spend far too much time thinking about this movie and/or character, by the way...

I'm pretty sure we're all in the same boat on that one, FH ;)

[webhead731]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Zombie_Citizen.jpg

I found it on Internapse.com (great site!) and I've never seen it before. I don't know why though.

It looks ALOT like his friend who was in the trailers. "You should be taking a dirtnap after that ragdoll today." "Luck don't cover it JB, you've got an angel watching after you."

What, did he have an eating disorder or something?:confused::p

Sorry for the old picture, I'm curious on what it is. I did a search for "zombie" and didn't find anything.

Do people turn into zombies in this movie somehow?!:eek::D
I hope the scene where the picture above is from is scary as heck!

[BIGGUN]

its a photo from Fangoria.com. its not a zombie but one of Blackheart's victims as he drains the lifeforce from the dude (i would guess its his lifeforce). but yeah it does look like the guy you described (Mack?).

also remember from the trailer where Caretaker warns Blaze to keep away from people that BH could use against him. i suppose he means anyone that Blaze cares for will be targets and why the demons go after Roxanne. sortve like how Blackout (in the 90s series) went after Ketch's family

[zer00]

That is some bad photoshop

[BIGGUN]

That is some bad photoshop

agreed...i hope thats photoshop and not the actual cgi!
GR looks very good so far but im still concerned about the transformations of the demons...and the effects for when BH's victims get consumed

[xwolverine2]

holy ****

[Retroman]

Never seen that before. I think the effects look pretty good. I dare someone do that with photoshop.
Thanks webhead.:yay:

[webhead731]

No prob.^

Thanks guys. What Caretaker said in the trailer goes with that picture.:up:

[webhead731]

its a photo from Fangoria.com. its not a zombie but one of Blackheart's victims as he drains the lifeforce from the dude (i would guess its his lifeforce). but yeah it does look like the guy you described (Mack?).

also remember from the trailer where Caretaker warns Blaze to keep away from people that BH could use against him. i suppose he means anyone that Blaze cares for will be targets and why the demons go after Roxanne. sortve like how Blackout (in the 90s series) went after Ketch's family

I just remembered the shot in the trailer when Blackheart had his hand on Roxanne's face. Her skin was looking like JB's friend up there.^

[The Ones]

Is it just me, or does that still look composited?

[xwolverine2]

the face looks real....... but the hair and arms look so fake and photoshopped

[zer00]

If that is in fact JB's friend. We all had just assumed it was part of the bar BH sort of takes over.

[webhead731]

lol. Does Blackheart get drunk?:p

I hope that scene is good.

And what about that jail scene? Anyone know how JB gets arrested? Maybe after he falls in the water in the chase scene?

[GoblinScrier]

We all know what Mephisto looks like in the comics:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mephisto

Will we see anything like that for him?

We all know what Blackheart looks like in the comics:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Blackheart

Will we see anything like that for him?

[webhead731]

MSJ said Blackheart would have something simular to the comics in the movie.

[CAH]

Yes, we'll see Blackheart...MSJ did say that...but I don't think he mentioned anything like that for Mephisto...or did he?

There are hints of both of the comic book forms of BH and MP in the trailers.

CAH

[zer00]

for the last damn time

yes Blackheart will transform

[InVictus]

We all know what Mephisto looks like in the comics:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mephisto

Will we see anything like that for him?

We all know what Blackheart looks like in the comics:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Blackheart

Will we see anything like that for him?

Well mephisto does have another form:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5307/mephisto018zx.jpg

[NDX]

I always thought Romita, Jr.'s Mephisto was the best design.

[InVictus]

I always thought Romita, Jr.'s Mephisto was the best design.
Indeed, imho the best Mephisto "true" form.

[webhead731]

Anyone play Marvel Ultimate Alliance?

I like how he looks in that load screen.:wow:

[CAH]

^Yeah, he looks pretty cool.

CAH

[CyclopsSummers]

Yes !!! Bl.Heart will metamorphose by the end (big dark demon) confirmed by MSJ
but about Mephisto ?? :huh:

[NDX]

Anyone play Marvel Ultimate Alliance?

I like how he looks in that load screen.:wow:

Screen shot or something? Some of us don't have the luxary of the game.

[FlameHead]

Gonna merge w/ the BlackHeart thread...

[InVictus]

Screen shot or something? Some of us don't have the luxary of the game.

http://www.marvelultimatealliance.com/wallpapers.php?id=357
classical look more or less plus runes and glyphs covering his body, like hellboy stone right hand

[FlameHead]

Actually, on second thought; no I'm not gonna merge. It's better to have a clear title for this topic...

[zer00]

maybe you should sticky so we don't get anymore

[webhead731]

People would still do them.:rolleyes:

[NDX]

http://www.marvelultimatealliance.com/wallpapers.php?id=357
classical look more or less plus runes and glyphs covering his body, like hellboy stone right hand

The added details fit the character. Although I prefer his "hair" more wild looking.

[CyclopsSummers]

Will we see Mephisto in his real form ?? (dark red devil) none confirmation about

[FlameHead]

We will see him in his real form but, we're not told what that will look like yet.

[webhead731]

Bad news...:(

My friend read the novel (he found it before I did lol:(. I'm getting it tonight) and he said that it doesn't say ANYTHING about Blackheart having the comic book's demon form. He said it just stops at the blue face with black eyes and sharp teeth, etc. He said Mephisto's form was shown for a brief second in a bar scene with Blackheart (the shot was shown in the trailer). Blue wrinkly skin, black eyes and teeth. Now, could the novel have just left out Blackheart's final form description so it's more of a suprise in the movie? I think it may be. Hopefully....considering MSJ said we'd get something close to it. I'm hoping to see the comic's form.

[Vartha]

That's the novel tho WH, not all movie novels are the same as movies. :D

[webhead731]

Yeah I know. But that's a...um...kind of a big thing to leave out isn't it?

I'm trying not to worry too much.

[BrollySupersj]

That's the novel tho WH, not all movie novels are the same as movies. :D

Thats true, the Superman Returns Novel had a different ending.

[Planesonaasnake]

seriously!? dang. i wanna know what happens....

[BrollySupersj]

seriously!? dang. i wanna know what happens....


Nothing really special, I didn't read it, but someone who did told me. He described it as New Krypton in space, and the crystals left behind started merging together,

[Josh Bond]

I know this is off topic, but since it's a discussion about people in the movie, do we know if Scarcrow or vengence will be in the movie yet?

[NDX]

I know this is off topic, but since it's a discussion about people in the movie, do we know if Scarcrow or vengence will be in the movie yet?

Follow the link, my friend.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10995857&postcount=29

[Josh Bond]

Follow the link, my friend.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10995857&postcount=29

Oh, thanks. I didn't realize the game would be after the movie, I thought it would be based on it. Oh well, that sounds way cooler.

[CyclopsSummers]

The novel isnt the same as movie
like comicbook movie X-men2 is a few different from film