Contest Of Marvels (Thread 1) [Archive] - Page 5

Phaedrus45

12-30-2005, 02:50 PM

Blackbolt (PHAED) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackbolt.htm)

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Kid Omega (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/kidomega.html)

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Well I have to admit, Blackbolt is an awesome character. It would seem that you could do anything with him, and he is a good character to have in this tournament.

However, although Blackbolt is highly invincible towards physical and energy attacks, his obvious weakness is his mind. Which is VERY dangerous against someone like Kid Omega. (as explained in the 1st round, since he is labelled Kid Omega he has obtained the second mutation powers as a result from his high usage of kick) which includes superior telepathy powers, his brain had turned into faster-than-light energy, he can regenerate his body back from pure energy, and has the ability to ressurect the dead.

As soon as this match has begun, it is over. Quentin will know where Blackbolt is the second this match has begun and Blackbolt doesn't have a mind blocker to use, so KO will instantly take control of Blackbolt's mind and knock him out or probably kill him.

Even if he were able to obtain a mind blocker(highly doubtful it may be, since he doesn't have it as a resource and he doesn't have the genious intellect to create one). It would probably be a rudimentary(sp?) styled blocker and against a telepath of KO caliber, plus the fact that he could dope up with kick prior to the match to increase in powers tenfold, it would be no match for Kid Omega's powers.

WINNER KID OMEGA

Addressing many false accusations brought against my defendant:

Sadly, Kid Omega could not pick a worse opponent to have. In fact, after doing some research on Black Bolt your statement that "his obvious weakness is his mind" is completely false. First off, Black Bolt has a lot of experience in dealing with mind manipulation. Need I remind you that his own brother, Maximus, possesses the ability to override the thought processes of other brains around him and has taken over the minds of others in the past. In fact, when Maximus was at his peak, the worst he was EVER able to do was to give Black Bolt amnesia. Another bit of information I discovered when having Black Bolt as a character is this:

Willpower (Type B): Black Bolt has spent his whole life mastering the skill to remain silent (since a mere whisper will have such destructive results). He cannot be forced to speak unless he should wish it. He is immune to any power/attack/mind control/what-have-you that would try to force him to speak.

Also, since Black Bolt has opposed his brother with these same mental powers on numerous occassions, he does have means and technology to effectively take out someone with those abilities. In fact, in Inhumans, Vol. 3, Maximus, after taking over Medusa's mind, tried to take over Black Bolt's mind to no avail. Nothing happened. I would even venture a guess that Black Bolt has gone against others with this same ability.

Needless to say, without his mental powers, Kid Omega is now Kid Wimp. Heck, you might as well name him Beak.

Now, there is another factor that must be addressed in this match: The location. This location works in Black Bolts favor, because of the nasty deeds that Kid Omega has done. We saw in the recent Phoenix: End Song that Kid Omega is very weighted down by his past actions. So, imagine if you will his reaction to being in hell, knowing of what he's done. He'd be SOOOO traumitized by the location and his knowledge that this will be his fate upon his death that he'd have trouble focusing on his attack. This is a kid taking on a man...a man with much more experience than Kid Omega has ever had to deal with.

Winner - Black Bolt

Harlekin

12-30-2005, 03:21 PM

This is a kid taking on a man...
And he's a man's man, damnit! :D
:p

Carry on...

Nightwing.

12-30-2005, 06:43 PM

Nightwing.

12-30-2005, 06:46 PM

Avalanche vs Blood Wraith

Ok so Blood Wraith would fit in nicely in hades he still has to contend with avalanche messing the whole place up. Now either Avalanche can weaken Bloodwraith by cracking Hades and releasing the souls his opponent has captured or he can just bring the place down and hope he hits the ghost (not likely) but he'd give it a shot anyways.

Winner - Avalanche

Phaedrus45

12-30-2005, 09:37 PM

Whirlwind Vs Ezekial

Ok so Whirlwind would rule this one. Whirlwind cant be touched when spinning and has two metal blades.he also has high speed and strength therefore Ezekial would fall to Whirlwind within a few moments of the battle commencing

Winner - Whirlwind

The humor in this debate is the statement, "Whirlwind would rule this one." Look at Whirlwind's resume. No, go ahead, I'll wait for you....

Ok, so, what do you notice? Yep, Whirlwind is a character who is most know for being in groups that routinely get beat. In fact, one of the last portions of his bio speaks volumes:

"When Baron Helmut Zemo (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/baronzemoii.htm) was organizing his Masters of Evil (http://www.marveldirectory.com/teams/mastersofeviliv.htm), Whirlwind petitioned to join. But Zemo, perhaps hearing of how he was a deficit to the previous Masters, assigned Whirlwind the task of detaining Captain America (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainamerica.htm), rather than joining in the main force that was going to take over Avengers Mansion. Whirlwind realized the slight, however, and was determined to prove his worth to the group. He contacted the Tinkerer, one of the underworld's major armorers, and had him create some weaponry for Whirlwind to use; whirling wrist-mounted saw blades. Whirlwind then joined forces with the Trapster, who also hoped to better his reputation, and the two set a road trap for Captain America. Unfortunately, Captain America outsmarted them, and they were both taken into custody."

So, Captain America was able to take out not only Whirlwind with his fancy new blades, but also Trapster. Also, Whirlwind is no genius. In fact, as noted, he is a "deficit" to a team.

Now, Ezekial has the same powers as Peter Parker, except with more experience. He has even bested Peter in battle, taking him captive at one point.

Basically, you have a real moron taking on a very smart individual. Whirlwind knows he isn't a "one-on-one" type of fighter. Ezekial is, plain and simple. There isn't one instance where I can imagine a writer making Whirlwind a formidable opponent, let alone writing him in any scenario beating Ezekial. Antman and Wasp frequentely bested him in the early years, and the Avengers constantly took out whatever group he aligned himself with. History speaks volumes, and history says that Whirlwind sucks.

Winner - Ezekial

Phaedrus45

12-30-2005, 10:04 PM

Doc Samson vs. Abomination:

Well, both are my characters; but, I would think that 7 out of 10 times Abomination would win, if not as much as 9 out of 10. But, if anyone can think of any instance where Doc Samson has bested Abomination, go ahead and let me know. From my memory, I just remember him letting Hulk take care of that business.

Most Likely Winner - Abomination

POWdER-man

12-31-2005, 02:53 PM

Addressing many false accusations brought against my defendant:

Sadly, Kid Omega could not pick a worse opponent to have. In fact, after doing some research on Black Bolt your statement that "his obvious weakness is his mind" is completely false. First off, Black Bolt has a lot of experience in dealing with mind manipulation. Need I remind you that his own brother, Maximus, possesses the ability to override the thought processes of other brains around him and has taken over the minds of others in the past. In fact, when Maximus was at his peak, the worst he was EVER able to do was to give Black Bolt amnesia.

Well first off, you are making it sound like Maximus hasn't been able to consistently do anything to Black Bolt, which is completely false. Here is at least 4 examples.

Avengers Annual 12 (Maximus exchanged bodies with Black Bolt and ruled Attilan)
Amazing Adventures Vol.3 #5-7 (Maximus regained mental powers, usurped throne and inflicted Black Bolt with amnesia)
Thor Vol.1 #149 (flashback, Maximus attacked Black Bolt upon his release from confinement to prove he could not control his powers)
Fantastic Four Vol.1 #45-48 (Black Bolt regained the throne, encountered the Fantastic Four, trapped in Attilan by "negative zone" barrier created by Maximus)

The second thing, you are making it sound like Maximus is an all powerful Telepath and comparing him to Kid Omega's Level, when realistically he is not even close. You are comparing a taco to a T-bone steak, there is just no comparison in powers between Maximus and Kid Omega.

Maximus' Bio:"Although he can affect everyone within range, he can only induce a single person at a time, lasting until a victim is freed from his influence:"

Third thing, if he was an Omega level power like Kid Omega he wouldn't have any limitations. When you are powerful enough to cloud the thoughts of the most powerful telepath in the world (Professor X) that shows you are no ordinary telepath, and this was even before his further mutation of his powers. Which had strengthened enough to attract the Phoenix. Again not a small feat.

Ok so I will retract my previous statement, Blackbolt does appear to have a "limited" ability against mental attacks because of his brother. But Maximus is nowhere as powerful as Kid Omega (not even close), and Maximus STILL has been able to control his brother in several instances. Plus Maximus' telepathy powers have been going on and off all the time, depending on his mental stability. They don't call him "Maximus the Mad" for nothing. It seems like whenever he regains his powers or comes back into the story he attacks his brother and wins.

Being able to moderately fend off his brother, which he has been fighting off his whole life but still gets controlled, shows that he clearly does not have the ability to completely keep his mind secure. Now imagine a telepath of Kid Omega's caliber against him, BB won't know what hit him. Blackbolt will be overwhelmed with psionic powers from Kid Omega that dwarf Maximus' powers by tenfold.

Another bit of information I discovered when having Black Bolt as a character is this:

Willpower (Type B): Black Bolt has spent his whole life mastering the skill to remain silent (since a mere whisper will have such destructive results). He cannot be forced to speak unless he should wish it. He is immune to any power/attack/mind control/what-have-you that would try to force him to speak.

Well just like it says, he has trained HIS WHOLE LIFE to remain silent. Has he trained HIS WHOLE LIFE not to be mind controlled. I don't see any mention on that. That's because he doesn't, and that is shown above where he has been controlled.

Also, since Black Bolt has opposed his brother with these same mental powers on numerous occassions, he does have means and technology to effectively take out someone with those abilities. In fact, in Inhumans, Vol. 3, Maximus, after taking over Medusa's mind, tried to take over Black Bolt's mind to no avail. Nothing happened.

Like I said, Blackbolt has been controlled more than once and this is between the many relapses of Maximus losing his powers and the fact that Maximus is nowhere close to being as powerful as Kid Omega.

Also saying he has technology is speculative. There is no indication that he has any such equipment, and even if he did, it's obvious that it is still not powerful enough to protect his mind from his brother. So imagine what Kid Omega could do him. Even if all Kid Omega could do was cause Black bolt to have amnesia, then KO would win the match because Blackbolt would forget why he is there and walk off the battle area, making him forfeit the match.

I would even venture a guess that Black Bolt has gone against others with this same ability.

Speculative unless proven...

Needless to say, without his mental powers, Kid Omega is now Kid Wimp. Heck, you might as well name him Beak.

Well, I certainly hope we won't resort to name calling between our characters. The fact you are belittling Kid Omega's powers is a bit obscure, so why stop there? You might as well scoff at every other single powerful Telepath out there, because with his second mutation he is up there with Jean, Charles, Emma, Shadowking, Cassandra or any other high level telepath.

I mean it took all the powers of the Stepford Cuckoos after they took the power enhancing drug Kick and while Sophie was wearing Cerebro just to beat Kid Omega. Which was even BEFORE his second mutation had increased his powers even more.

Now, there is another factor that must be addressed in this match: The location. This location works in Black Bolts favor, because of the nasty deeds that Kid Omega has done. We saw in the recent Phoenix: End Song that Kid Omega is very weighted down by his past actions. So, imagine if you will his reaction to being in hell, knowing of what he's done. He'd be SOOOO traumitized by the location and his knowledge that this will be his fate upon his death that he'd have trouble focusing on his attack.

Just like you said, "IN THE RECENT PHOENIX". He hadn't been seen to show much remorse before that, so this is just a recent activity and not the usual form that each character is supposed to be in.

And even then he will know a day before where he is going so he will be prepared enough for this location. Plus he isn't going to be dumb enough to let his guard down, he is going right after Blackbolt and end this match quickly so he can get out of there. He does have a genious level intelligence, that's certainly more than Blackbolt.

This is a kid taking on a man...a man with much more experience than Kid Omega has ever had to deal with

Well I am glad you said that because it would seem that because Kid Omega is so young, your character will more than likely be overconfident and ignorant of how powerful Kid Omega truly is, because Black Bolt is a so-called "man's man".

Experience is only part of the equation but when you encounter something as powerful as Kid Omega, experience can only help you so much. And if Kid Omega is able to control his mind from the get go, how would experience help him then?

So let's go over the facts.

Fact: with all of Black bolts "precautions" against his brother, a lower level telepath, Maximus has still been able to gain control of black bolt.
Fact: Kid Omega is extremely more powerful than Maximus and if he decided to take "Kick" prior to the match his powers will be increased even more.
Fact: Black bolt has a minimal resistance against lower powered telepaths but he is never faced a telepath as powerful as Kid Omega. So one would come to the conclusion that if Maximus could manage to control Black bolt than someone as powerful as Kid Omega would have less trouble.
Fact: Kid Omega is now pure energy and can regenerate his physical form. Fact: Kid Omega has Omega level power which basically mean his telepathy is limitless. He could create illusions, he could manipulate thoughts, he could use psionic blasts to kill or knock someone unconscious, he could manipulate memories and can cause amnesia, he can project himself through the astral plane, etc...There is just no limit to what he can do with his telepathic powers.

In conclusion, Black Bolt has shown "some" resistance against telepathic powers but he is still no match for his brother who loses his powers at the drop of a hat and isn't really that powerful to begin with. So what chance would he have against an Omega level telepath who has complete control of his powers and can fight against some of the most powerful minds like Professor X?

WINNER KID OMEGA

Phaedrus45

01-01-2006, 01:57 AM

Yes, there is Avengers Annual 12...but, that was the first instance of Maximus using his powers against Black Bolt. Second time, amnesia. After that, his abilities become less and less because Black Bolt has learned to deal with that situation. And, while Maximus' powers fluctate, he has taken over more than one person, unlike what you state in your new debate, numerous times. I've even read it mentioned that he can take control of over 20 people when his powers are at his peak. And, to claim that Maximus is less than Kid Omega is completely wrong. Kid Omega has to use drugs to get himself more powerful than Maximus. That's not more powerful, that's more stupid. It shows that Kid Omega doesn't even consider the effect drugs have on his body.

With your first debate, you made it seem like Black Bolt has never dealt with a situation like this fight...and you made it seem like his mind is his weakness...both of which has been suitably debated and proven inaccurate. Now, you suppose that Kid Omega would be able to then cause Black Bolt amnesia. I would venture that wouldn't be likely. If it was possible, Maximus would have attempted it again. Simply put, Black Bolt would have learned from his previous encounters. And, while you think he wouldn't have the technology to deal with someone like Kid Omega, that is proved untrue by the Inhumans vast technology. (Remember, they have remained hidden from the humans for many years, and even had a shield that the U.S. Military was unable to get through.) The Inhumans are head and shoulders easily more adaptable and technologically savy compared to the humans. They have been housing Maximus, for God's sake. Of course they'd have something to deal with a madman like him.

Now, the interesting thing about Kid Omega is the fact that he didn't take out Professor Xavier...him and 4 others took him out while taking the drug, Kick. So, Kid Omega is going to come into the battle, take the drug, Kick, wait for the drug to take effect. Meanwhile, if Kid Omega is as dangerous as you claim, one whisper from Black Bolts lips will take him out. To be anywhere near the power you claim Kid Omega to have, he has to use a drug to get that way. Doesn't sound so powerful, now. He sounds more lame for having to resort to drugs.

Also, if I remember correctly, Black Bolt is a member of a select group that we've been seeing in New Avengers, which is composed of, among others like Reed Richards, Xavier. So, if part of prep would be able to use resources that are normally available for your character, I can use information that Xavier would give me on this drug addict.

Finally, while you say that Kid Omega hasn't shown remorse before Phoenix: Endsong, that just shows that given the chance to look inward towards what he's done, it will change his perspective. What bigger way to make him realize what he's done than be in Hell? I know I would contemplate my sins if I found myself in Hell, especially when I'm a young teen, like Kid Omega.

Winner - Black Bolt

POWdER-man

01-01-2006, 08:50 PM

Yes, there is Avengers Annual 12...but, that was the first instance of Maximus using his powers against Black Bolt. Second time, amnesia. After that, his abilities become less and less because Black Bolt has learned to deal with that situation.

So I guess trapped in the negative zone means nothing, does it?....FIRST you basically said it was just amnesia that was the worst now you have changed your position and his power becomes less and less each time.

SO...

You have forced me to list their history in synopsis form, to review their encounters.

When Maximus was 16 he was making plans with the Kree, Blackbolt wanting to stop the emmissary, he used his sonic scream and caused the ship to crash and Inadvertently the deaths of his parents and the cause of Maximus' insanity and loss of his powers.

Black Bolt assumed the throne at that point and Maximus vowed revenge. At this point he developed several different weapons and plans to become king in which he was successful several times. At times for several years at a time, and THIS WAS COMPLETELY WITHOUT HIS PSIONIC POWERS.

Many years later Black bolt had started to sense that Maximus' supressed powers were beginning to come back (which he didn't have since he was 16), so Black Bolt had him put in suspended animation. WHY MAY YOU ASK? OF COURSE, BECAUSE IN FEAR OF HIM USING HIS POWERS ON HIM.

Maximus was later freed because it was inhumaine to keep him like that. SO WHAT HAPPENS AS SOON AS HE IS RELEASED? YOU GUESSED IT, HE CAUSED BLACK BOLT TO HAVE AMNESIA.

Black Bolt restores balance and at this point Maximus' powers are AGAIN SUPPRESSED. He then makes more plans where he regains the throne and than loses them so more times. AGAIN WITHOUT HIS PSIONIC POWERS.

After rescuing Medusa from the Enclave, he went into a death like coma and when his body was sent to the moon, his consciousness regained his dormant psionic powers. Later Black Bolt visits Maximus, and GUESS WHAT HAPPENS AGAIN........YEAH THAT'S RIGHT...MAXIMUS USES HIS PSIONIC POWERS TO SWITCH BODIES WITH BLACK BOLT.....Maximus is later forced to go back to his body and is than left in confinement. Where he is currently planning his next take over...

Here is Maximus' Bio that explains everything and contradicts everything that my opponent is claiming. It shows that as soon as Maximus' powers are restored THEY ARE effective against Black Bolt.

http://underworld.fortunecity.com/blood/201/marvel/maximusthemad.html

1. They are effective each time.
2. Maximus is unstable, so he loses his powers all the time and when they return he IMMEDIATELY uses them against Black Bolt, EFFECTIVELY.
3. Maximus' psionic powers DO NOT WEAKEN AGAINST BLACK BOLT over time.

So you can either read the bio and see for yourself or you can believe false statements.

And, while Maximus' powers fluctate, he has taken over more than one person, unlike what you state in your new debate, numerous times. I've even read it mentioned that he can take control of over 20 people when his powers are at his peak.

RE Maximus' powers: (of course this is only the Marvel Directory:rolleyes: )
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/maximus.htm

I have seen this on several other sites as well. AGAIN Maximus is not that powerful. He could affect anyone in a 20 FOOT RADIUS but he can only control one person's actions at a time. So now that you been disproven, I expect that this will be the last time you will bring it up or unless you think information from the Marvel Directory is unreliable.

And, to claim that Maximus is less than Kid Omega is completely wrong. Kid Omega has to use drugs to get himself more powerful than Maximus. That's not more powerful, that's more stupid. It shows that Kid Omega doesn't even consider the effect drugs have on his body.

OK....so an Omega level Telepath is no longer worth a damn anymore??? WOW...just WOW. Do you even believe in what you are saying? You are comparing a telepath who loses his powers all the time and at his peak he can only reach people in a 20 foot radius to someone who can connect to every human on the planet.....if you can't see the difference in powers than I guess there is no point in arguing that anymore.

So are we starting a "Drugs are for Losers" campaign..:rolleyes: Well whatever you say about using drugs, STILL DOES NOT CHANGE HOW POWERFUL HE IS. Plus with his second mutation he no longer requires the drug Kick anymore because his body has turned into pure energy. I just mentioned that to say he could increase his potency even more.

With your first debate, you made it seem like Black Bolt has never dealt with a situation like this fight...and you made it seem like his mind is his weakness...both of which has been suitably debated and proven inaccurate.

Just look above, because YOU are the one that has been disproven. Black Bolt might have dealt with his brother will "limited" telepathy, but how does
that turn out for Black Bolt each time???...Hmmm...Oh yeah, that's right, he gets his a$$ served back to him, that's what happens....

Now, you suppose that Kid Omega would be able to then cause Black Bolt amnesia. I would venture that wouldn't be likely. If it was possible, Maximus would have attempted it again. Simply put, Black Bolt would have learned from his previous encounters.

Again look above....I HAVE FACTS AND HISTORY ON MY SIDE, you only have heresay and innacurate information. And amnesia would be the least that Kid Omega could do to Black Bolt...

And, while you think he wouldn't have the technology to deal with someone like Kid Omega, that is proved untrue by the Inhumans vast technology. (Remember, they have remained hidden from the humans for many years, and even had a shield that the U.S. Military was unable to get through.) The Inhumans are head and shoulders easily more adaptable and technologically savy compared to the humans. They have been housing Maximus, for God's sake. Of course they'd have something to deal with a madman like him.

Again, if you look above in the history it shows they have NOT known how to handle Maximus. Between Maximus' MANY relapses of powers (which they seemed to also depend on), they have not been able to control it. It seems like putting Maximus in solitary confinement and reanimation is the only way they have hindered his powers. Since the second he has his powers back and Maximus' brother is within reach he has beaten Black Bolt.

Now, the interesting thing about Kid Omega is the fact that he didn't take out Professor Xavier...him and 4 others took him out while taking the drug, Kick.

Hmm....let's see...how would they have snuck up on Xavier??? Oh yeah, because of Kid omega's telepathy powers clouding Xavier from detecting their presence and their thoughts....So he was able to block Professor's X's powers from being effective.

So, Kid Omega is going to come into the battle, take the drug, Kick, wait for the drug to take effect. Meanwhile, if Kid Omega is as dangerous as you claim, one whisper from Black Bolts lips will take him out. To be anywhere near the power you claim Kid Omega to have, he has to use a drug to get that way. Doesn't sound so powerful, now. He sounds more lame for having to resort to drugs.

I am not sure where you are going with this "Drugs are for Losers" campaign....sounds like you are running a Presidential campaign instead of a debate....

1. He doesn't actually need the drug kick anymore, after his second mutation he has become pure energy and his powers have increase substancially where he can connect to every conscious mind on earth. So yeah, that's powerful.
2. I only mention that taking the drug Kick would only strengthen his powers. Although, this would only be a precaution method as he would be more than powerful enough to handle Black Bolt.
3. If he WERE going take Kick, he knows when to take it since he has a lot of experience with it. So your expectation that he would commit a dumb mistake like taking it too late is obscure and the chances are slim to none. He does have a day of prep-time, remember?

Also, if I remember correctly, Black Bolt is a member of a select group that we've been seeing in New Avengers, which is composed of, among others like Reed Richards, Xavier. So, if part of prep would be able to use resources that are normally available for your character, I can use information that Xavier would give me on this drug addict.

I could get JH involved in this but you should know better. "People can not be used as resources." Also there is that whole thing that JH brought up about teams.

Finally, while you say that Kid Omega hasn't shown remorse before Phoenix: Endsong, that just shows that given the chance to look inward towards what he's done, it will change his perspective. What bigger way to make him realize what he's done than be in Hell? I know I would contemplate my sins if I found myself in Hell, especially when I'm a young teen, like Kid Omega.

Hmm....do you happen to remember why Kid Omega had this reflection? It was when he brought his love of his life Sophie, back from the grave. In which she rejected him and chose death. So unless you can reinact THE EXACT SAME EFFECT from Black Bolt than I guess it's not going to happen.

Plus since your defenses have been disproven in several instances, Kid Omega's telepathy powers will be effective immediately and so they won't be down there very long anyways.

When deciding when to vote you should keep a few things in mind.

1. Black Bolt has dealt with his brother Maximus(who is an inferior telepath), but he hasn't dealt with it very well since he has been controlled EACH AND EVERY TIME that he been close to Maximus. See for yourself: http://underworld.fortunecity.com/bl...musthemad.html
2. Black Bolt does not have the technology to defend his mind because there has been no indication anywhere in the Inhumans history with Maximus. They may have enhanced technology but if they had this so-called technology, why wouldn't they use it against Maximus? They had several opportunities to use a mind blocker, but they didn't so that indicates that they DON'T have that technology. Again, see for yourself: http://underworld.fortunecity.com/bl...musthemad.html
3. Kid Omega is powerful enough to connect to every mind on Earth, and is substancially more powerful than Maximus (who can still control Black Bolt). So it would leave you to believe that if Maximus has no problem why should Kid Omega have any?
4. I never mentioned about another power that Kid Omega has, and that is his ability to generate a million thoughts per second. With his one day prep-time he would have thought, rethought and rethought EVERY single factor and scenario that could happen in the match. Plus although he can not 100% predict the future, in some instances he has been correct in what he predicted would happen. So he could be ready and well prepared in this matchup.
5. Plus being pure energy I don't imagine he could be killed or harmed by physical force. He has been able to generate and regenerate his body from pure energy.

WINNER KID OMEGA

Phaedrus45

01-02-2006, 07:48 PM

Sorry, but I still say much of what you say is also incorrect. Your stance seems to be that Black Bolt could barely hold his own against someone who can only take over one person at a time. That is now, but was not in the past. And, that's what I keep reiterating. Maximus' powers fluctuate. For, in one of the bios that you reference, it even says:

"Maximus immediately used his mental powers to subjugate the minds of the Inhuman populace and to give his brother Black Bolt amnesia."

Hmmm...sounds to me like he effected more than one mind. And, my purpose of this type of debate is because you started out stating misinformation by saying my character, Black Bolt, has never faced anyone like Kid Omega, of which I have disproved.

Now, as for Avengers Annual 12, I didn't have that one issues information when I was presenting my case, but only the information regarding his Amnesia and after. For some reason, the bios I were reading on Black Bolt and Maximus for that issue were left out...or, I didn't see it. Either way, I would have used that information, because it shows, as I have been saying, that Black Bolt is accustom to dealing with someone with this type of power and that as time has gone on, history has shown that in recent events, attempts to use mind control on him has proven useless; i.e. Inhumans Vol. 3, issue 11 where Maximus' attempt at mind controlling Black Bolt failed miserably after he had complete control over Medusa. (Hmmm...wow! Maximus totally controlled Medusa but wasn't able AT ALL to control Black Bolt.) Thus, your reasoning that Black Bolt hasn't learned to handle someone with mind control after time is what's still proven wrong. So, with this information, how can you say:

"1. They are effective each time.
2. Maximus is unstable, so he loses his powers all the time and when they return he IMMEDIATELY uses them against Black Bolt, EFFECTIVELY.
3. Maximus' psionic powers DO NOT WEAKEN AGAINST BLACK BOLT over time."

I will agree the powers don't weaken, they fluctuate. And, as shown above, even when Maximus has been able to mind control Medusa, he wasn't able to do so to Black Bolt. Thus, Maximus' powers don't weaken, but Black Bolt's become more effective in dealing with Maximus.

Now, you say he's not that powerful anymore, but he can take control of anyone within a 20-foot radius. Sounds pretty powerful to me. You make him seem like my character was facing Paste Pot Pete.

Now, as to my "drugs are for losers" campaign....that campaign is to make people aware of the powers and how your character at his most extreme got them. And, again, it shows that your character didn't take down Professor X...with the help of 4 others on drugs, your character took down Xavier.

Also, you say that my character doesn't know how to deal with Maximus. That is to say that EVERY SUPERHERO doesn't know how to deal with their most deadly foes. (Xavier doesn't know how to deal with Magneto, because by your reasoning Magneto keeps coming back and causing problems.) See, this is the point of heroes...they take care of and capture foes...but, other people tend to let them out or free them in some way. It's not that Black Bolt can't handle Maximus...it's that for every hero you need a villian, and this is the way of comics.

Finally, since you are now saying "with his second mutation he no longer requires the drug Kick anymore because his body has turned into pure energy," it seems like we are then dealing with the more emotional version that we've seen in Phoenix: Endsong...the one who'd have more trouble dealing with being put into Hell.

So, still I have the same defense:

1) Black Bolt does, indeed, have a background in dealing with someone like Kid Omega, as his most deadly foe has the same type of mind controlling powers.
2) With time, Maximus' attempts to control Black Bolt has proven ineffective. (i.e. Inhumans Vol. 3, Issue 11)
3) Black Bolt has resources to tackle someone with this ability...not only Inhuman technology, but belongs to the secret society recently seen in New Avengers, of which Professor X belongs. And, with Prep Time, he would be able to anticipate that this would be Kid Omega's prime offense.
4) At the instant the match starts, Kid Omega might try to take over Black Bolt's mind, but at the same moment, Black Bolt could simply whisper and take out Kid Omega. Ask yourself, which would be more powerful?
5) Also, Kid Omega has bested his opponents, i.e. Professor X, by surprise. There is no surprise in this match. Both know what they are facing.
6) Kid Omega is just that: A Kid. Black Bolt has a rich history and has faced so many obstacles, always coming out on top. He has worked with and fought the best that Marvel offers. Frankly, Kid Omega is an immature child who can't even handle not being loved.

Now, finally, your defense where you say I keep stating misinformation is wrong. I cannot see where I've been stating anything of the sort. I debated your assumptions about my character's weakness. I debated the level of danger that Maximus possesses. And, from what I can tell, you've basically shown that what I've said is correct. You get offended by my style of debate, which is to ridicule your character. He is a child, plain and simple. He has never fought a fair fight, one on one. He is basically a teenager who cannot control his feelings. So, there are reasons I call him Kid Wimp....or a child. Because, he's never shown himself to get the respect he wants. And, he did have to use drugs to get himself to the level which most people know him. Where is the lies? Where is the misinformation??

Winner - (with just a whisper) - Black Bolt

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 08:54 AM

I am going to make this quick because I am not feeling well. What you don't understand is that Maximus can only control one person's action at a time. Which means he can only tell one person to pick up a rock, to sit down or whatever he wants. He can't tell the whole populace to do that or even just a couple at a time.

I made a mistake, in which I admitted that mistake. YOU on the other hand have made several misleading statements. i.e. Maximus and Kid Omega being at the same power level, Maximus' powers decrease against Black Bolt as time goes by, the worst maximus could do to Black Bolt was cause amnesia (I think Body switching is pretty severe).

*** I just tried searching for volume 3 Issue 11 of the Inhumans....and unfortunately there IS no such book. http://www.mycomicshop.com/megastore/search?qry=Inhumans&pcat=Comics-All I have found the same information on wikipedia that says the Inhumans volume 3 only goes to issue 4. ***

I think we have gone around in circles in many issues. So I am just going to list my points.

1. The fact that you comparing Kid Omega and Maximus being at the same power level is ridiculous. Either you are being ignorant of the differences or you are pretending to be ignorant. Telepathy has different power levels just like any other category. ie strength, speed, agility, etc. I am hoping everyone else can see the difference between someone (who you even admit that his powers fluctuate) who can only affect people within his 20 foot radius (the size of two basketball nets) to someone who can affect someone on the other side of the Earth. Someone who loses his powers at the drop of a hat because of his insanity to someone who has complete control of his powers. Someone who can't even induce death, knocking someone unconscious, or even a mental blast to someone who is an OMEGA level Telepath that HAS NO LIMITATIONS IN TELEPATHY. There is an obvious difference in power which you are just not getting.

2.Your constant reminder of Volume 3 Issue 11 is incorrect. Either you mistakenly put down the wrong issue or you are just mistaken on the information. Black Bolt has shown absolutely NO resistance against Maximus' telepathy whether it was at his peak or if it was just mildly working for him. EVERY SINGLE TIME Maximus' telepathy wasn't dormant he has done something to Black Bolt. That's something you can't deny, no matter what you say. If you still can't see that, than hopefully everyone else here can. Just look at Maximus' bio.http://underworld.fortunecity.com/bl...musthemad.html
If your mention of Maximus' powers not working on Black Bolt that ONE TIME, on one the MOST RECENT issues, who's to say that Maximus' powers were not "fluctuating" at that time and he was not at his peak, or maybe he was losing his powers at that time. Who knows, but whenever they were working before that they have worked on Black Bolt. Now just imagine a telepath who is always at his peak, who is more powerful against Black Bolt.

3. Technology - Again there is no mention in using any sort of Mind Blocker against Maximus in ALL OF THE INHUMANS PAST, if they have used one it obviously never worked for them because whenever Maximus' telepathy power did work he was able to successfully control people within his 20 foot radius. As for using New Avengers technology, again that's a No No. JH just created that Team Rule a couple of weeks ago. Unless you can prove Black Bolt used a mind Blocker given to him, than you are theory is not allowed.

4. Black Bolt doesn't know how to deal with Maximus because he has always needed an outside source to help him defeat Maximus (FF or avengers), or after weeks or months something happens(Maximus' powers "fluctuate") and Black Bolt is able to regain the throne. Black Bolt won't have weeks or months to win this match.

5. Using your so-called whisper will have extreme damages and consequences to the Earth's terrain and structure. Just like you tried in using the bridge last round against me, I will use this location against you. There is NO WAY (unless he is a geologist) to know what his sonic scream powers would do to the center of the earth. Imagine setting off a large explosive in the center of the Earth. This could cause whole countries to sink, Volcanoes to erupt, thousands if not millions of deaths. I can't imagine Black Bolt using his most powerful weapon right at the start of the fight, only as a last resort (which he seems to do in his past). Especially since he has always been hesitative to use it, and if Black Bolt shows 1/4 of the disregard that you have shown of my character's power than he will be underestimating Kid Omega. Plus, this isn't just a room or one long hallway, there will be rooms after rooms in this location. So he won't know which direction to face, until he actually sees Kid Omega, which will be WAY TOO LATE.

6. Your ongoing smut campaign is quite insulting(you should consider enrolling in Bush's Ad campaign). So he is a kid, he is a kid with unlimited and unrestricted potential of power. Whatever you say of him does not matter, he still an Omega level power Telepath. Your reasoning because Black Bolt is older he will win the matchup, which of course is ridiculous.

Guys just look in the past, Black Bolt has never shown any defenses against telepathy whether physical or technological (except that one hypothetical time that may have been because a weaker telepath wasn't at his peak), and he certainly hasn't faced someone as powerful as Kid Omega's telepathy.

WINNER FOR THE LAST TIME KID OMEGA

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 11:16 AM

I am going to make this quick because I am not feeling well. What you don't understand is that Maximus can only control one person's action at a time. Which means he can only tell one person to pick up a rock, to sit down or whatever he wants. He can't tell the whole populace to do that or even just a couple at a time.

I made a mistake, in which I admitted that mistake. YOU on the other hand have made several misleading statements. i.e. Maximus and Kid Omega being at the same power level, Maximus' powers decrease against Black Bolt as time goes by, the worst maximus could do to Black Bolt was cause amnesia (I think Body switching is pretty severe).

*** I just tried searching for volume 3 Issue 11 of the Inhumans....and unfortunately there IS no such book.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/42491548000.11.gif (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=42491548000%2011)

Inhumans first came out in 1975 (vol. 1). Then, they came out in 1995 (vol. 2). Finally, there is this book, which came out in 1998 (Vol. 3). The problem is depending upon which source you use, the validity of Vol. 2 gets dismissed due to it being a single issue run. But, in my book and other sites, I consider it Vol. 2.

Now, I have never said that Kid Omega and Maximus have the same power level. I have stated that Black Bolt has fought people with mind control power before. This started with the dispute...again...that Black Bolt has never fought people with this ability. AGAIN, you are assuming stuff that wasn't ever said in my posts. I do say that at times Maximus has controlled more than one person, as I quoted, AGAIN:

"Maximus immediately used his mental powers to subjugate the minds of the Inhuman populace and to give his brother Black Bolt amnesia."

Now, "the minds of the Inhuman populace" sounds suspiciously like more than one person.

Finally, I never said the Maximus' powers have decreased. Why you keep saying that, I still don't understand. I have said that Black Bolt has learned how to deal with Maximus' powers, as shown in INHUMANS VOL.3, ISSUE 11.

You keep saying I am trying to deceive my way into winning this match. I have yet to see that. And, the one time that you have as proof, is in something that I didn't say. I didn't see reference to Avengers Annual 12 when originally doing my research. But, now that you have referenced it, I believe it supports my case even more in the fact that while there once was a time that Maximus was able to take control of Black Bolt (Avengers Annual 12), now he is unable to (Inhumans Vol. 3, Issue 11). And, if like YOU SAY that Maxiumus' powers haven't gotten weaker on Black Bolt, then Black Bolt's abilities to handle mind control must have gotten stronger.

Another point, while we're talking about this match-up, that favors Black Bolt. Sanity. Maximus=insane. Kid Omega=bonkers! One reason for the constant defeat of Maximus dwells in his insanity, the same condition that now effects Kid Omega with his use of the drug, Kick. Thus, all of his intelligence has to be brought into question. The dude is mad. Loony. Out of his mind!!! Dude's got a mental deficit, and someone with the SANE INTELLIGENCE of Black Bolt, as comic history has shown, will always win out over the madness of the insane.

Also, I never said that Black Bolt would use New Avenger's technology. What I said is that Black Bolt belongs to a secret society that was announced in New Avengers. Thus, he would be able to talk to Xavier about Kid Omega. Again, you are putting words into my mouth. Never once do I say I will use New Avengers technology. What was decided is that I would have the resources that are normally available to my character. That would mean that I would be able to confer with some of the greatest minds that are available. My character belongs to that group.

Lastly, you say, "your reasoning because Black Bolt is older he will win the matchup, which of course is ridiculous," is actually the ridiculous statement. You keep putting words into my mouth. I have only stated that Black Bolts age and experience helps him in this match; I never said that due to this factor, he'd win this outright. Each point I bring up is a factor in considering WHY Black Bolt can win. All together, they point to a logical conclusion that I have made up. Experience and age is a determining factor in many match ups. The Fantastic Four of today would probably best the Runaways of today, and one key determining factor would be experience and age. Heck, the ME of today is much smarter than the ME of the 80's. That's just logical.

And, as for the smear campaign. It's just like with your reference of George Bush. When you don't respect the opponent and the things they do (for, how can anyone respect the actions of Kid Omega. He's a punk.), you tend to belittle them. You just did it to George Bush. I did it to Kid Omega. You don't like Bush. I don't like Omega.

Winner - Black Bolt

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 11:23 AM

On a side note, hope you feel better, Powder. We may have knock down, drag out debates when we meet (i.e. Absorbing Man vs. Joseph), but your health and well being means more to me in reality. There is never anything personal against you in my debates.

Love ya, man. You really are my toughest competetor I seem to face. I always look forward to our matches, yet dread them at the same time.

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 12:21 PM

Hey man, this has been a tough debate and I applaud you.

Nothing personal, we just got a bit heated.

I am just going to mention couple of things.

You mentioned the accessing the secret society I assumed you meant technology. But since you mentioned asking Proffessor X for info, than I just wanted to correct you on that. JH has clearly stated that you can not use people as resources, so you won't be able to do that.

A lot of trouble between our debates in our own interpretation of each other's debates. Really with Maximus, he as reliable as a crooked politician. Between him losing his powers again and again and again, them fluctuating in power and his whole mental instability, he is hard to use as a base in your defense. That one time you keep mentioning it's hard to tell what sort of mental state he was in since he is loses his powers all the time.

The whole more than one person thing is to be interpreted as well. Although he can make anyone in his small radius draw a blank, he can only tell one person at a time to do whatever he wants. Now although he might be moderately powerful in his little area, Kid Omega has no restrictions in his powers and can attack 20, 40, 80, 200 feet away or more and has a more powerful will to use his telepathy powers.

As for being crazy, unlike Maximus, Kid Omega has never lost his powers due to any mental instability. Although the VERY LAST TIME we see Kid Omega he was in deep sorrow, I wouldn't consider him loony. Plus we are supposed to be looking at a character in general not the current state they are in. So before that he has shown no mental instability.

This has gone as for as it could, but Kid Omega trumps Maximus' powers, and without any technology to use for a mind blocker and only ONE occurence where he was able to fend off a weaker telepath in a possible loss of powers, than Kid Omega should in all rights take this matchup.

WINNER KID OMEGA

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 12:27 PM

Yep, as you say it's in the interpretation of our characters and their abilities. SO, with that said, we'll leave it up to the voters. My debate is finished and I hold out my hand to you.

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Voting May Begin!

Nightwing.

01-03-2006, 01:43 PM

Whirlwind
Avalanche
Abomination
Kid Omega

Harlekin

01-03-2006, 02:10 PM

Avalanche
Ezekial
Blackbolt
Abomination

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 02:48 PM

*Bloodwraith
*Ezekial
*Black Bolt
*Abomination

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 02:56 PM

Abomination
Ezekial
Bloodwraith(the location does not help)
Kid Omega (I think his power is being underestimated, since I think he would rival only Professor X and the Phoenix, but anyways, good match Phaedrus)

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 03:03 PM

Just think, Powder. If Kid Omega does win, guess who you'll be facing in Round 3....hehe

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 03:05 PM

oh lord...:rolleyes:

JewishHobbit

01-03-2006, 03:20 PM

Ezekial
Avalanche
Abomination
Kid Omega

Sparta*

01-03-2006, 03:30 PM

Avalanche
Ezekial
Black Bolt
Abomination

wiegeabo

01-03-2006, 03:49 PM

Abomination
Whirlwind
Bloodwraith
(As much as I want to vote the other way, I have to choose...)
Kid Omega

WOLVERINE25TH

01-03-2006, 04:21 PM

Bloodwraith
Ezekial
Black Bolt
Doc Samson

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 04:38 PM

Results So Far:

Avalanche 4-4 tie with Bloodwraith
Ezekial 6-2 over Whirlwind
Black Bolt 4-4 tie with Kid Omega
Abomination 7-1 over Doc Samson

Sparta*

01-03-2006, 04:51 PM

some good, close, match-ups this week :up:

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Well its where it should be at this point. I am just glad it wasn't a blowout...[Subliminal Message]vote Kid Omega[/Subliminal Message]

Sparta*

01-03-2006, 04:58 PM

lol

Phaedrus45

01-03-2006, 05:02 PM

Wow...for some reason, I thought I should vote change my vote against my character....hmmm.

Midnight Ice

01-03-2006, 07:20 PM

Ezekial
Avalanche
Abomination
Blackbolt

POWdER-man

01-03-2006, 07:28 PM

Damn...the one big thing against my character is obviously his unpopularity.....he is obviously not well liked....

I don't know, I think when it comes down to it you have a telepath at the highest power (I just found out the drug Kick is not actually an enhancer but it just untaps the potential that's already there-as interpreted) against someone who was able to only beat his brother (a lower power telepath) that one time, who he has battled his whole life....Maybe after several battles Black Bolt might be accustom to his power strength, but just coming out the gates, in their first battle?....oh well

In Phoenix Endsong 2 he was powerful enough to freeze the whole school of mutants. Which included the Stepford Cuckoos and Emma Frost.

I don't think Quentin can be killed or harmed physically. In Phoenix Endsong 4, he took a bolt of lightning through his body from Storm, he shrugs off Nightcrawler's attack, and this is just after making the White Queen scream from a telepathic blast (with a smug grin on his face).

In Phoenix Endsong 5 he was able to fend off Wolverine and archangel and takes a powerful adamantium claw to the shoulder to just heal it, and a smack in the face from Archangel without slowing down.

Nightwolf

01-04-2006, 03:30 PM

Avalanche
Ezekial
Kid Omega
Abomination

Phaedrus45

01-04-2006, 04:00 PM

haha...tied again at 5-5. Knowing our luck, this is going to go into next week.

POWdER-man

01-04-2006, 04:05 PM

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, although Deathshead and Blaze hasn't voted yet.....

Phaedrus45

01-04-2006, 04:22 PM

Well, then Blaze will probably be the tie-breaker. Death's Head usually only votes in Rounds which he has a contestant. At least, I think that's been why we've only seen him vote in one or two threads a week.

Phaedrus45

01-05-2006, 10:17 AM

Voting Is Over!

Final Results:

Avalanche 6-4 over Bloodwraith
Ezekial 8-2 over Whirlwind
Black Bolt 5-5 tie with Kid Omega
Abomination 9-1 over Doc Samson

POWdER-man

01-05-2006, 10:23 AM

Blah....:mad:

:p

Johnny Blaze

01-05-2006, 11:01 AM

Damn, I just got in too. :(
Oh well...I would've went with Black Bolt anyway. :p

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 12:53 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

BRACKET 1,

Match 15:

Psylocke(NIGHTWOLF) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/psylocke.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_psylocke2.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=psylocke2.jpg)

vs.

Sasquatch-Exiles(WIEGEABO) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/sasquatchexiles.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_sasquatch2.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=sasquatch2.jpg)

Match 16:

Rogue(NIGHTWOLF) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/r/rogue.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Rouge.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Rouge.jpg)

vs.

Death's Head II(DEATH'S HEAD) bio (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dhminion.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_180px-Death27s_Head_II2C_Issue_1.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=180px-Death27s_Head_II2C_Issue_1.jpg)

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 01:29 PM

BRACKET 2,

Match 15:

Rockslide (VICTOR) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/rockslide.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_rockslide.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=rockslide.jpg)

vs.

Blob (NIGHTWING) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/blob.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_blob.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=blob.gif)

Match 16:

Blink - Exiles (JH) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/exiles/blink.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_blink.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=blink.jpg)

vs.

Jack Of Hearts (PHAED) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jackofhearts.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_jackofhearts.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=jackofhearts.gif)

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 01:32 PM

REMATCH:

Black Bolt(PHAED) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackbolt.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_blackbolt.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=blackbolt.gif)

vs.

Kid Omega(POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/kidomega.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_kidomega.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=kidomega.jpg)

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 03:32 PM

Black Bolt vs. Kid Omega:

Ok, let's get this underway, again. Mainly, you just have to look back on the previous debate to understand why I believe my character can take down Kid Omega. But, just to have some of those points brought up again, I will cut and paste:

First off, Black Bolt has a lot of experience in dealing with mind manipulation. Need I remind you that his own brother, Maximus, possesses the ability to override the thought processes of other brains around him and has taken over the minds of others in the past. In fact, a bit of information I discovered about Black Bolts ability to fight off mind control can be seen in this statement:

Willpower (Type B): Black Bolt has spent his whole life mastering the skill to remain silent (since a mere whisper will have such destructive results). He cannot be forced to speak unless he should wish it. He is immune to any power/attack/mind control/what-have-you that would try to force him to speak.

This is not to say that he hasn't been controlled in the past...but, that was the past. As noted, when first confronting his brother in Avengers Annual #12, his mind was controlled. Later, he suffered from amnesia. With time, it would appear, Black Bolt has been able to handle this type of attack; for, as mentioned, in Inhumans Vol. 3, Issue 11, Maximus took control of Medusa, and when Black Bolt confronted his brother, Maximus attempted to control Black Bolt's mind. Nothing happened, to Maximus' dismay. The attempt was shrugged off. To me, this shows that Black Bolt has learned to handle the attempts of mind control in regards to his brother. (I do want to make clear, I am not saying that Maximus is in anyway similiar in power to Kid Omega...just showing that Black Bolt has effectively shrugged off mind control in the past.)

Another point I brought up was that even though at the instant the match starts, Kid Omega might try to take over Black Bolt's mind, Black Bolt could simply whisper and take out Kid Omega. Ask yourself, which would be more powerful? I each action would happen at the exact same time, just like a classic duel between gun fighters. And, as soon as the whisper came from Black Bolt's lips, any type of mind control would be negated by Kid Omega's death.

Also, I do want to mention that the state of Kid Omega has to come into mention. We are supposedly facing each other in the state they are most known...and Kid Omega is most known from his appearance in X-Men, not as he was transformed in Phoenix: Endsong. (Either way, I sincerly believe my character can beat him in either form.) In this context, Kid Omega has bested his opponents, i.e. Professor X, by surprise. There is no surprise in this match. Both know what they are facing.

Part of my argument still is the fact that Kid Omega is just that: A Kid. Black Bolt has a rich history and has faced so many obstacles, always coming out on top. He has worked with and fought the best that Marvel offers. Frankly, Kid Omega is an immature child who can't even handle not being loved. The fact that people might vote against Kid Omega for the simple fact his isn't well liked is just part of the contest and is a factor that must be considered. It isn't a deciding factor, but there are reasons he is hated as much as he is...and, the fact that his first match against Black Bolt went to a draw is only going to feed into his self doubt. This won't effect Black Bolt at all, though. Black Bolt is a leader of the Inhumans and he's never been swayed by the opinions of others. Basically, he's as mature as you can get. The same can't be said for Kid Omega.

Also, in this regard, another point that favors Black Bolt is sanity. Maximus=insane. Kid Omega=bonkers! One reason for the constant defeat of Maximus dwells in his insanity, the same condition that now effects Kid Omega with his use of the drug, Kick. Thus, all of his intelligence has to be brought into question. The dude is mad. Loony. Out of his mind!!! Dude's got a mental deficit, and someone with the SANE INTELLIGENCE of Black Bolt, as comic history has shown, will always win out over the madness of the insane.

So, I want the voters to think about these few points. Match 1 went to a draw...that is fact. Kid Omega is just a child....fact. More than likely, the opinions of others and the fact that he didn't outright beat my character in that first match will bring self-doubt into his mind ... my conjecture, but to me self evident. Finally, Kid Omega drove himself to insanity with the use of the drug, Kick...fact...and, that insanity will even make his self doubt even worse....again, my hypothesis which I believe would be true.

Also, consider what might happen to Kid Omega if he should try to take the drug, Kick, again in this match, as my opponent has pointed out. If he's insane now and enhanced in power, he would be off his rocker and his powers would more than likely be to intense for him to handle. We've seen this senario numerous times in comics where a villian decides to make himself uber-powerful, and in the process make his own defeat. More than likely, I believe this would happen.

Winner - Black Bolt

POWdER-man

01-06-2006, 03:39 PM

You know it already, but I am giving it to you anyways...

LOCATION WILL BE...

This week's matches will be held at the Empire State University, where Peter Parker went to College. Everyone is gone away for March Break...well at least everyone who is important.... I told you it will be a safe location this week...

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 03:53 PM

Blink-Exiles vs. Jack Of Hearts:

First, my character has taken down some of the biggest and toughest foes in the Marvel Universe. And, even though Blink has beaten some baddiest, she has mainly done this due to a GROUP EFFORT in Exiles. And, even though she defeated Silver Samurai in Round 1, my character easy took out the Incredible Hulk. Sure, Blink might have the ability to kill my character by teleporting him in two...but, she would never do that. That's not in her character. And, simply, as soon as this match started, I would have Jack of Hearts project a concussive energy from his body towards Blink and render her unconscious.

Winner - Jack Of Hearts

JewishHobbit

01-06-2006, 04:33 PM

Blink Vs Jack of Hearts

Okay, I will tell you that this one made me nervous until I really started to think about it. He's tough, but Blink is extremely good in combat and has overcome some good odds. Yes, she's normally a team player, but she's been shown to do well on her own on several occasions. The first that comes to mind was way back during the AoA. She went after Holocaust alone and kicked his but. Holocaust was the second strongest person in the world, and she took him out for a while (until Morph distracted her and he got near again). And that was when she was still a young pup. She's since joined the Exiles and is now in a constant battle with her experience growing by the minute. She became team leader and has since been shown to be an excellent tactition. She can plan ahead and is smart about a fight.

So here's the thoughts running through my mind. Blink has never been one to just leap into a fight, and so she will not leep at Jack. If he is close when they begin, she will teleport herself away and figure out what to do (if she doesn't already have it planned during the prep time). She will know not to under or over estimate her opponant, and so she will not hold back, nor press too hard.... she will be evasive. Now I, nor her, will be afraid of Jack's blasts, because she has amazing speed with her teleporting powers. She can teleport things with or without her blades, so that's not a problem. When Hyperion tried to fry her at point blank range (he was on top of her), she was able to teleport the blast to hit him in the back (which cripled him). She can dodge his blasts all day and use them against him, just as she used them against Hyperion. I don't know how this will affect Jack, so I won't say that that's how he falls, but just keep it in mind. She can also change where they are going, so that she can see them impact something else to learn how poweful they are.

Now, she will fight him from a distance and teleport his blasts away, or into him, and in doing this she will study him. She will teleport herself around and will land a few blows from a distance (as in teleporting chairs at him). she will learn from this that he can take a hit. If it gets too close, or if she finally feels that she knows him, she will teleport herself away. While gone, she will determine the best corse of action and will teleport directly behind him and drive a pink shard into his back. This will teleport him away to a selected location that she knows will not kill him, realizing that he seems to be an alright guy. Jack is now removed from the match safely, and Blink claims the victory.

Now I drew out this battle idea to show the extent of her studying,... but remember that if that is too iffy for you, she could easily just skip right to the last step with ease by opening a portal below him and sending him away right from the beginning.

Winner - Blink (Exiles)

Phaedrus45

01-06-2006, 05:13 PM

Blink vs. Jack Of Hearts:

As Blink's bio says, "It does not seem that there is a limit to how far Blink can teleport, at least within one planet's boundaries;" so, I'm going to assume that if your battle strategy at the end is to teleport Jack Of Hearts away from the location, all your doing is delaying your defeat. Your teleportation isn't anything that would take Jack out of the match, only delay your defeat until he returns to battle. Even if you teleport him into space, that wouldn't effect him at all. After all, there isn't a time limit on this match, and Jack will come back after you. All Blink can do is evade until Jack finally catches her.

Also, your reference to her almost defeating and killing Holocaust came after the death of Sabretooth. This instance is not necessarily replicated, because she was in a totally different mindset. The rage one would have in their hearts when someone they are fighting just killed someone they loved would not be the case in this match. Like I said, Jack is a good guy, and she wouldn't be out for blood with him.

In fact, looking at the experience of my characters; not only has he been in the Avengers, but he's also been with The Defenders, the Thing, Quasar, Spider-Man, Moondragon, and the Silver Surfer. The adventures that she has with the Exiles really do pale in comparison.

Just remember: Delaying a beating is just that; delaying the inevitable. Come on...accept your punishment. You've all had your day in the sun during Round 2...and, with Molecule Man and Jack Of Hearts, it's finally time for Phaed to get a little lovin'. Heck, maybe even Black Bolt will get in on some of this....but, face it. Blink ain't no Hulk; Blink ain't no Kid Omega; Blink is a character out of her element. Who knows, maybe after sher severe beating, she can get a series with Cable and Deadpool.

Winner - Jack Of Hearts

JewishHobbit

01-06-2006, 07:46 PM

My first legitamite question (as I'm not too familiar with Jack) is this,.. yes he can breath in space,... but can he fly in space unaided? If not, then if she sends him there, he'll just float, even if he can take the presure and lack of air. If he can fly in space (and his bio says nothing about him being able too), then I'll continue on.

And yes, Jack has an impressive resume,.... but Blink's isn't as pale as you'd like to make it. She's teamed with a version of nearly every hero known, from the littlest to those like Thor and Hulk. She even had a key part in defeating such powerhouses as Hyperion and even Galactus, not to mention all the other threats that threaten to END THEIR SELECTIVE WORLDS!! Blink isn't the little child you're making her up to be. And though she was angry while facing Holocaust, that was her as a pup, when she first broke out. She's done equally as well since then all throughout the Exiles series. Her history speaks for itself. And though Jack is tough, he's not the be all end all, he's beatable. And even if Blink would be considered so much lower than he, how many times has the little guy won in the unwinable fights. It's their trademark.

So lets have a look at the match again shall we? It's flawless until the end. Blink's been shown to fight intelligently and to not run into a match without knowing what she's doing and who she's facing. If she doesn't know, then she can find out. And something that's just occured to me, I said that she'd fight your character to learn of him, but she doesn't even have to. She has access to the Timebroker's base where all those little bugs walk around,.. the place that has access to every world, including the 616 world. They can use that place to find information on anyone in the world, and they've shown as much. With Jack's success in great team ups, as you've suggested, it shouldn't be hard to find everything there is to know about the guy during preptime. So this new thought gives Blink no room to make a mistake in that reguard. So now, she knows everything about Jack, and Jack knows nothing about her, especially since she isn't from the 616, and the counterpart that was died long before she would have been known by him. Advantage much?

Okay, so that's taken care of, now lets get to the part that needs a little work. Now I've thought of a few ways to defeat Jack, but I don't know if they'd work because the questions I have, I have no idea what the answers are based on the three bios I've found on him.

1) I know that his energy can explode and kill him when out of his armor (though he's exploded, like, three times and have come back every time.), but is it instant, or does it take time? Does it weaken him before exploding? Depending on the outcome of this situation, Blink can easily just teleport his armor from his skin and let his energy build up, or drain, or whatever, and when he is about to blow she can teleport it back on him and save his life, though making him so weak that she can easily defeat him with conventional means. That all depends, however, in what happens with his energy.

The second and possibly better way is:

2) I was wondering if his own blasts can hurt him, but based on the fact that anytime they go heywire, it kills him, I'll say yes they hurt him. That being said, Blink will use that to her advantage. She will reteleport his blasts against him to weaken him. He's not dumb, and he will pick up on this (though it may take a few good blows before he catches on). If he tries to stop shooting at her, then it becomes a physical battle. While Blink is pretty good at this, I'll take it a differant route. To "get him out of the battle" she will teleport him into a place where she can drop a lot of debris on him (or into the middle of a place where he can't escape, such as a fallen building). When he's stuck like that, there's only two options,... sit there and conside defeat, or use his powers to make the place go boom in order to free himself. However, Blink, being the smark cookie she is, will plan for this and will suround the "place" with a portal, so when he blows it up, the momentum of the blow and all the debris with it will go through the portal and right back through a second ontop of Jack (only inches from where he crouches). It would take a matter of a second and there is no way Jack can escape it. He blows the debris and his blast, and the debris, slams directly on top of him with maximum momentum and effeincy. The sudden pounding of his own power will take him out, if not out, then she will continually keep him in this trap until either it does take him out, or he is rendered useless and gives.

Winner - Blink

deathshead2

01-06-2006, 08:14 PM

Deaths Head 2 vs rogue

deaths head 2 is a cyborg and I don't really understand rogues powers when it comes to that. So I think all DH has to do is shooter from far away then stab her. His bounty hunter skills should work well so I can only assum he could get away hrom her and stop here before she touches if of corse that is if he is affected by herepowers.

WINNER:DEATHSHEAD 2

Nightwing.

01-07-2006, 08:42 AM

Rockslide vs. Blob

ok a fairly easy match for Blob. All he has to do is wait for Rockslide to throw his arms.once he has the damage wont affect him and then he can dispose of the arms or just keep rockslide away from them. the result being Rockslide is armless. Blob just uses his weight and strength to pummel rockslide to rubble.

Winner - Blob

Phaedrus45

01-07-2006, 02:30 PM

Yes, I do believe Jack Of Hearts can fly in space. In my memory (that's usually pretty good), I tend to remember various space adventures involving Jack, and he's in space flying.

I'll be debating you later. I'm on a break; so, I don't want you to think you're getting off that easy. lol...me and by biasism.

Nightwolf

01-07-2006, 08:17 PM

Psylocke Vs. Sasquatch (Exiles)

Psylocke has had a few power changes so the one ill use is the telekenesis/Crimson Dawn powers which include telekinetic energies, allowing her to levitate and manipulate matter with her mind, propel herself through the air, project protective force screens, telekenetic bolts and generate focused energy blades that can sever the bonds between molecules and disrupt neural relays. Her connection to the Crimson Dawn allowed her to utilize shadows to teleport herself and others over great distances.
Long range Besty can just stay in the air and throw telekenetic bolts or whatever is around Univerity indefinatly or short range she would just have to connect once with her blade to knock Sasquatch out which won't be to hard as Psylocke is obviously highly skilled and she has a big target.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/psylocke00.jpg

Winner - Psylocke

wiegeabo

01-07-2006, 08:44 PM

Just a question before my writeup. Is the Crimson Dawn version of Psylocke the most commonly known version? Because the rule is that the version of characters 'most well known' is what gets used in the tourney. I want to make sure I'm writting against the correct Psylocke.

Nightwolf

01-07-2006, 08:48 PM

Well she did have it for quite a while and shes had so many power changes i dont think she has a 'most well known' version. I was allowed to use it in my last match with Psylocke so i guess its ok.

Phaedrus45

01-07-2006, 11:54 PM

So lets have a look at the match again shall we? It's flawless until the end. Blink's been shown to fight intelligently and to not run into a match without knowing what she's doing and who she's facing. If she doesn't know, then she can find out. And something that's just occured to me, I said that she'd fight your character to learn of him, but she doesn't even have to. She has access to the Timebroker's base where all those little bugs walk around,.. the place that has access to every world, including the 616 world.

Ah, but wouldn't that be using other people to help you in a match? She might have the tallus; but, if people, like Kang, can't use his minions; or someone, like Thing, can't use Reed's genius to invent him something, then I don't believe Blink should be able to talk to other people while fighting the match. Plus, Blink would be now talking to a member of the Exiles since the events in Exiles changed after the battle with Hyperion. I also think that each character, especially in Round 2, know the basic details of the other characters. This is a tournament of sorts...so, what's happened before is probably going to be knowledge to the other contestants in Round 2...kind of like game film. Plus, Blink has visited 616 on at least one occasion.

1) I know that his energy can explode and kill him when out of his armor (though he's exploded, like, three times and have come back every time.), but is it instant, or does it take time? Does it weaken him before exploding? Depending on the outcome of this situation, Blink can easily just teleport his armor from his skin and let his energy build up, or drain, or whatever, and when he is about to blow she can teleport it back on him and save his life, though making him so weak that she can easily defeat him with conventional means. That all depends, however, in what happens with his energy.

Ok...I have never seen an instance where Blink has the ability to teleport the armour off of an individual. I highly contest this possibility. Plus, she would have no idea the effect of what would happen; plus, the radiation would kill a lot of people around Jack Of Hearts. Would she even risk lives and Jack's life with this attempt? I don't think so. That would be completely foolish. Yes, she can teleport a bomb or object away...but, the armour surrounds a person. It's dangerous and also possibly not possible.

2) I was wondering if his own blasts can hurt him, but based on the fact that anytime they go heywire, it kills him, I'll say yes they hurt him.

That's a false assumption. The cause of the effect of it going heywire is due to his body armour regulating and releasing the Zero Fluid that it now contains. As noted in a past Handbook, "the suit of armor has somehow become adsorbed by the mutagenic effects of the Zero Fluid vapors and incorporated by Jack Of Hearts body." This Zero Fluid is part of Jack Of Hearts, and I doubt highly if his body and armour are Zero Fluid or incorporated with Zero Fluid, that Zero Fluid would have much of an effect on him.

Now, as for your debris plan of your match-up....if you noticed one of the reasons why Jack Of Hearts defeated Hulk is because him being slammed into buildings, buildings falling on top of him, or him being tossed to the bottom of the ocean didn't effect him. He kept getting up. Heck, the effect of a full hit from the Hulk didn't hurt him. And, how much debris can Blink cause to teleport on top of him, anyway? It's not like she can teleport a house. I've seen her teleport a group of people, but never big objects on top of people.

*Now, as I've shown, your battle plan is to allow others to help you in your battle while it's going on with use of the tallus. (Other people cannot help you in your battle.)
*It assumes that my character wouldn't have much access to information on Blink, which I think might be dismissed with us being in Round 2 and Blink visiting Earth 616 on one occasion.
*It assumes that maybe Jack Of Hearts can't fly in space; yet, if you look at his bio, it states:

"Returning to space, Jack sought out the alien Silver Surfer (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/silversurfer.htm) for help. The Surfer led Jack to an alien armor-wielder, who created a new and better energy-regulating armor for him. Jack remained with Surfer for a short time, and both teamed up with other cosmic heroes when they encountered the mega-powerful entity known as the Tyrant."

This is an instance that I was remembering in my mind of Jack Of Hearts flying in space.
*You also assume that Blink can teleport body armor off of an individual, especially this armour that is encorporated with Jack Of Hearts. First, I don't remember Blink ever being able to have that specific of a technique, and two, I think you would kill Jack Of Hearts and others around the Peter Parker's school if you attempted it. Cleary, Blink wouldn't do this.
*You assume that Zero Fluid would hurt Jack; yet, this Fluid is part of Jack and part of Jack's armour. I can't prove it wouldn't hurt Jack...but, you can't prove that it would. This is a stalemate; for, I could argue just as well that it would have no effect. Thus, I think that argument is null and void.
*And, obviously your debris wouldn't hurt Jack in the least. It didn't with the Hulk, and I've never seen Blink able to teleport large portions of debris in her life.

Pretty much all of your argument is built upon assumptions...assumptions about Blink's abilities and assumptions about my character's. Yet, there is no proof of these abilities. If we were in a court of law, you would have most of what you've said thrown out as total conjecture. In fact, the judge would say you don't have a case. Clearly, one blast from my character would take your character out. That is a fact.

Winner - Jack Of Hearts

Nightwing.

01-08-2006, 05:15 AM

Weig as far as i know the TK version of Psylocke is her most known.i think this was when she switched bodies with the ninja.

the Telepathy was when she was in her normal body as Betsy Braddock.

POWdER-man

01-08-2006, 10:09 AM

Well I think I will approach this match differently than last time.

The first thing I want to discuss is obviously my character's disadvantage of being dislike. Even my opponent uses that to to his advantage in his strategy. He's playing on the hopes that because you don't like him that you should vote against Kid Omega. If this contest was based on popularity I can understand this being a point but I always thought this tournament is about comparing the powers between two characters and their respective strategies and basing an opinion from that. However, if you can't look past this dislike than I guess there's no point reading any further.

On Kid Omega
I think a major problem in the first week was concentrating too much time on Maximus and not enough on Kid Omega. I kept on stating that Kid Omega is an Omega level telepath, but I don't think tha struck a bell to some. So let's go over a few things. In Phoenix Endsong 2 he was powerful enough to freeze the whole school of mutants. Which included the Stepford Cuckoos and Emma Frost. In this picture Emma Frost actually thinks it's Jean because she would be the only one powerful enough to freeze her body without even a struggle, and that's with CEREBRO ON HER HEAD.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/Image4.jpg

In this scan he doesn't even break a sweat while making her scream in pain from a telepathic blast, while forcing Scott to fire his optic blast, all while having a smug look on his face.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/Image12.jpg

Just after that he takes a bolt of lightning through his body from Storm, he shrugs off Nightcrawler's attack, right after in the next issue he takes a claw to the shoulder by Wolverine and a smack in the face by Archangel. So he's no "wimp" as my opponent likes to point out or do you consider a bolt and a claw through the body and just keep on going as being a "wimp"? He can take a physical attack, and in this next scan he states he can't be harmed physically and that's because he's pure energy now and can heal all wounds. If that were so than it would be impossible for Blackbolt to actually kill him.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/Image21.jpg

My opponent claims that this would not be the state the he would be known as, but look at the name "Kid Omega", it's not Quentin Quire. The truth is Kid Omega hasn't been around much, he was only been in Riot at Xavier's and the Phoenix Endsong. So a total of 8 issues as both Quentin and Kid Omega, and only 6 as Kid Omega but five of them (and a bit) as what state he is now. Plus this was the form he was allowed to be in the first round, so there shouldn't be any question this is the form he is in.

But again if you look at my opponents character, he mostly known to fall prey to Maximus and not this single occurence where he bested Maximus. Plus Maximus was seriously going insane in that series (he was rambling on about how he will be a better husband for Medusa and he cuts her hair off) and he has a tendency of losing his powers when he becomes irrationally crazy.

On Blackbolt and Maximus
Blackbolt does have a lot of experience against his brother, but that's just it. As far as I know he has not faced another telepath in his whole life. Now my opponent uses that single occurence in Inhumans vol 3 issue 11 sparingly as the end all and tell all of his ability to handle telepathy. If we go back to what you even state in your debate "facing each other in the state they are most known...". If that's true than, I would think through the many encounters and the rich history between him and Maximus that he would be known more of being defeated (maybe briefly but still beaten) each time by Maximus through telepathy. My opponent also uses the defense that over time Blackbolt has learned how to handle Maximus, which might be true. And his power may have become less and less effective on Blackbolt but the main point is that he has still been able to control him whether or not they were at a lesser degree. That's like Homer saying, "It's just a little dirty, it's still good, it's still good.......it's just a little airborn, it's still good, it's still good", but the truth is even a little control is still control whether small or not.

The other problem of using this single, out of character occurence where he bested a mentally instable Maximus as a deciding factor in why he could beat Kid Omega is of course of what level of Telpapthic power Maximus is. Maximus is a limited telepath who loses control of his miniscule power all the time, but even at his peak he can only control 20 feet (the size of two basketball nets). This of course is nowhere near the level of Kid Omega who is unlimited in his power of telepathy. Just look at the first scan, when he returned in the Phoenix Endsong 2 he froze the bodies of every single mutant on the campus which included intelligent and strong willed x-men as cyclops, Beast, and Collosus and strong telepathic minds such as the Stepford Cuckoos and the White Queen, Emma Frost who was using cerebra at the time of being frozen and was convinced it was the resurrected Jean Grey with the Phoenix that would have that much power. He was so powerful that they had no idea who was really behind it.

Just imagine spending your whole life trying to be as good as your brother in basketball. You train and train and finally one day you beat him, you got the upperhand, you were able to figure out a way to beat him and became 'accustomed" to his superior playing ability. All is great and than the next day you meet up with a Michael Jordan. You feel on top of the world after beating your brother and feel that you can take on anybody because you have a bit of "skills" to go up against MJ. What do you think would happen? Of course, MJ would mop the court with him. Being able to beat someone you have went up against your whole life and who has always beat you but never had much abillities to go far with is one thing, but going against somebody for the first time who IS the best there is completely another. The point of this analogy is that Blackbolt bested his brother that one time,but going up against Kid Omega who is powerful enough to beat more stronger telepaths without even breaking a sweat is not even a question whether he could control and beat Blackbolt.

Kid Omega's Sanity
As for this question in sanity in Kid Omega, although I agree KO is clearly not sane in removing Sophie's body from the grave, however as you can clearly see in those scans above he is completely in control of his emotions and is completely and calmly composed when talking and moving around. I mean that defense could be used on nearly every single villain otherwise, just because they do things that are not considered completely sane is why they are called the criminally insane. But even though they are criminally insane they are still able to function properly and in control, just as you can see in those scans above.

Kid Omega Using Kick
I mentioned that he could used the drug kick, but the fact is the drug opens the individuals potential and simply that, it's not a narcotic. It's not an enhancer, it was actually stated during Riot at Xavier's by Emma Frost (who took it herself). So since kid Omega has already met his potential, there would be no reason to take the drug kick.

Blackbolt's Whisper
Now using the Whisper by Blackbolt at the beginning of the fight, although powerful, would be extremely impractical. One thing is that when they go to this location, they are not right next to each other. Empire State University is actually huge in territory and there are many buildings and locations that a person can be. This is a great advantage fo Kid Omega since there are many directions and buildings and he can be, so the chances that he would be in the area that he fires his whisper would be very slim to none. Meanwhile, Kid Omega could be ANYWHERE on the campus and be able to instantly attack Blackbolt telepathically, so there wouldn't be a second chance to use his whisper. The second problem is that this is a public school within a very large city (NY), to use his powers like that would be extremely reckless and will cause many deaths. Although the campus is "nearly" deserted there will still be some people who don't go away for march break and since it's within NY his powers could go beyond the battle area and hit the large populated areas. Since blackbolt is an honarable person and a superhero he won't put these innocent people at risk. The third problem is that Blackbolt seems to only to use his supersonic powers when there is no other alternative and as a last resort when he has no choice, and certainly not as a first choice in a fight. So to use it first would be out of character, dangerous to civilians, and more than likely ineffective since this is a whole campus and not just a building so the chances Kid Omega would be near Blackbolt and the direction he is facing is highly unlikely.

Conclusion
This match shouldn't have went to draw the first time, Kid Omega has trumped any telepathy that Blackbolt has experienced in his lifetime. Kid Omega can take over the minds of more powerful telepaths than Maximus and that's without even breaking a sweat - fact. Kid Omega is powerful enough to be Omega level and draw the power of the phoenix - fact. Kid Omega is pure energy now and can reconstruct his body - fact. Kid Omega is a Mega Genious, able to have millions of thoughts per second, and is a capable inventor - fact. So with one day of prep he could even create something to repulse blackbolt's whisper right back at him.

I suspect it has more to do about the fact he is an unpopular character, instead of the fact that this is supposed to be comparing two characters abilities, powers, weaknesses and strategy. If you are allowing your personal preferences to effect your voting than that's your choice. Blackbolt is a great character and extremely powerful, and I certainly can understand why you like him more than Kid Omega but if he can't defend his mind his whole life from an inferior telepath, how in the world would he have a chance against someone who in infinitely more powerful in telepathy? Plus if Kid Omega can't be killed physically, how would Blackbolt kill him?

The answer is he can't, Kid Omega would immediately attack Blackbolt telpathically by killing him instantly. So even if by a SLIM(near impossible) chance that he was close to Blackbolt, in the direction he is facing, and Blackbolt had enough time to make a whisper, Kid Omega can still kill blackbolt by a thought. Meanwhile Kid Omega can just reform his body, no worse to the wear.

Winner Kid Omega

Phaedrus45

01-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Aha! The game is on again!! (Sadly, I have work in a bit....but, don't worry, I'll be back. I'll probaby write my rebuttal when I am at my first job tomorrow.)

JewishHobbit

01-08-2006, 09:10 PM

Ah, but wouldn't that be using other people to help you in a match? She might have the tallus; but, if people, like Kang, can't use his minions; or someone, like Thing, can't use Reed's genius to invent him something, then I don't believe Blink should be able to talk to other people while fighting the match. Plus, Blink would be now talking to a member of the Exiles since the events in Exiles changed after the battle with Hyperion. I also think that each character, especially in Round 2, know the basic details of the other characters. This is a tournament of sorts...so, what's happened before is probably going to be knowledge to the other contestants in Round 2...kind of like game film. Plus, Blink has visited 616 on at least one occasion.

The thing is, Blink doesn't have to use anyone else to use the room. She can go there in her preptime and just look Jack up on her own. Learn about him, and go to her match. She doesn't need Heather or the roach things to do that, she can use it herself. And I have never thought that anyone would have known about former matches, or can study them at all. They'd basically go into a match knowing who their facing and of this being a tourny, but that's it.

Ok...I have never seen an instance where Blink has the ability to teleport the armour off of an individual. I highly contest this possibility. Plus, she would have no idea the effect of what would happen; plus, the radiation would kill a lot of people around Jack Of Hearts. Would she even risk lives and Jack's life with this attempt? I don't think so. That would be completely foolish. Yes, she can teleport a bomb or object away...but, the armour surrounds a person. It's dangerous and also possibly not possible.

I'll give you this one on the idea that it is only my assumption that she'd be able to teleport the armor off, and now that you mention it, I can't think of a time to prove that she can. I will say though, that it was stated that the place is unpopulated, so that wasn't a problem at all.

That's a false assumption. The cause of the effect of it going heywire is due to his body armour regulating and releasing the Zero Fluid that it now contains. As noted in a past Handbook, "the suit of armor has somehow become adsorbed by the mutagenic effects of the Zero Fluid vapors and incorporated by Jack Of Hearts body." This Zero Fluid is part of Jack Of Hearts, and I doubt highly if his body and armour are Zero Fluid or incorporated with Zero Fluid, that Zero Fluid would have much of an effect on him.

I'm having trouble understanding what the heck you're saying here. Why does his powers hurt him when they go heywire, but not any other time? I've read this and I still think it would hurt him and can't understand why this shows it wouldn't hurt (it could just be because I'm very tired though).

Now, as for your debris plan of your match-up....if you noticed one of the reasons why Jack Of Hearts defeated Hulk is because him being slammed into buildings, buildings falling on top of him, or him being tossed to the bottom of the ocean didn't effect him. He kept getting up. Heck, the effect of a full hit from the Hulk didn't hurt him. And, how much debris can Blink cause to teleport on top of him, anyway? It's not like she can teleport a house. I've seen her teleport a group of people, but never big objects on top of people.

She doesn't need a lot of stuff, just enough for Jack's momentum to work against him. Teleport him under some rubble, the broken ruins of a room or whatever's lying around, and when Jack goes to blow himself out, it comes rushing back on top of himself. It's not about quantity, but the force behind the quantity that Jack continues to blow on himself. As I've never read an issue with Jack in it, it's hard to understand the principals of what he can take, or how powerful his blasts are, but no one's invincible, not even Iron Man (I keed I keed). You're still assuming that his blasts wouldn't hurt himself, to which to the best of my understanding, is still an assumption to which I applied adaquate reasoning to believe it could hurt,.. so that could still be a factor here.

And here's another teleporting thought. What if she teleported him through a portal, but opened another right below him. She can keep sending him through these two portals, and he wouldn't be able to get out of it, unti his speed of falling is so great it'd be like a bullet. Then finally open a portal close enough to the ground where he'd just slam into it. That'd be a lot of force. It wouldn't take him out,... but it'd have an effect,.. just a simple move to use against him.

Anyhow, point is in this match... Blink can fight defensively and offensively, Jack can do next to nothing. His blasts can't hit her as she's always been fast enough to teleport things like his blasts and him himself. If he tries for blasts, she disreguards them (and uses them against him). If he goes for a physical confrontation she can teleport him away, use his momentum against him in any number of ways. Jack's been hurt before, and he can be hurt again. Fortunately, Blink has the Timebroker's base to study all of Jack's defeats to find out how to do it. (as I've never read anything with Jack, I don't know what that is, but Blinks extremely smart and tactical, so I'm sure she can find out how to do it).

*Now, as I've shown, your battle plan is to allow others to help you in your battle while it's going on with use of the tallus. (Other people cannot help you in your battle.)

Nope, no tallus necessary. She can study him by herself in her preptime in the base. No other help necessary.

*It assumes that my character wouldn't have much access to information on Blink, which I think might be dismissed with us being in Round 2 and Blink visiting Earth 616 on one occasion.

You're assuming that they'd have access to the previous matches, which I never meant for them too,.. though since I don't remember actually stating that, I'll leave it up for unterpretation. But here's something to think about... how would Jack have access to Blink's previous match? It isn't like he was there in the audience, or like there's some big arena with their match on the teletron. Jack would have no way to have seen Blink's previous match. Jack has no clue who Blink is,... and that remains.

*It assumes that maybe Jack Of Hearts can't fly in space; yet, if you look at his bio, it states:

"Returning to space, Jack sought out the alien Silver Surfer (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/silversurfer.htm) for help. The Surfer led Jack to an alien armor-wielder, who created a new and better energy-regulating armor for him. Jack remained with Surfer for a short time, and both teamed up with other cosmic heroes when they encountered the mega-powerful entity known as the Tyrant."

This is an instance that I was remembering in my mind of Jack Of Hearts flying in space.

This is fine. I read that part, but it isn't specific how he was in space,.. whether he had help or whatever. But if you say he flew, then I'll take your word for it.

*You also assume that Blink can teleport body armor off of an individual, especially this armour that is encorporated with Jack Of Hearts. First, I don't remember Blink ever being able to have that specific of a technique, and two, I think you would kill Jack Of Hearts and others around the Peter Parker's school if you attempted it. Cleary, Blink wouldn't do this.

While I'm thinking that Blink can teleport specific objects with her shards, I can't recall an occation, so I'll let you have this one as well. But the place is unpopulated, so the second part is irrelivent. But while I'm not sure how Jack's armor works, if Blink hits a single part of it with a shard, I don't see why it wouldn't disappear by itself. Easily done, and then as he's maxed out and warn down and ready to explode, she'd teleport him back into the costume and save him, while he goes down.

*You assume that Zero Fluid would hurt Jack; yet, this Fluid is part of Jack and part of Jack's armour. I can't prove it wouldn't hurt Jack...but, you can't prove that it would. This is a stalemate; for, I could argue just as well that it would have no effect. Thus, I think that argument is null and void.

I disagree that it's null and void, in that I think I have a better reason for believing that it would. You say that it is a part of him and therefor, it wouldn't hurt him,... but there are people who naturally create fire, but are burnt by it (like that chick in the Madrox mini). However,.. Jack's powers hurt and kill him when he loses control (or at least I'll stick with that until you can give me a better explanation of your first point stated above).

*And, obviously your debris wouldn't hurt Jack in the least. It didn't with the Hulk, and I've never seen Blink able to teleport large portions of debris in her life.

As stated before, she doesn't need to do large quantities,.. though if she desired to she can open many smaller portals at a time to take chunks of things (as she's opened many portals at once before). But while I do not know what kind of force it takes to hurt Jack, Blink could find it out in the Timebroker's place (what is that place called anyhow!). Not only is there physical debris for her to mess with, but remember that there's an impressive science lab there to mess with, as well as any other type of speciality fields (I just don't knwo what they are :)) I may not know how to beat Jack specifically, not knowing his character, but Blink has access to that information and is smart enough to figure out what to hit him with and how hard. My second idea above about the momentum ofa fall can be used in several ways to reach that capasity to hurt him,.. and the constant teleporting is something that Jack can't stop.

Pretty much all of your argument is built upon assumptions...assumptions about Blink's abilities and assumptions about my character's. Yet, there is no proof of these abilities. If we were in a court of law, you would have most of what you've said thrown out as total conjecture. In fact, the judge would say you don't have a case. Clearly, one blast from my character would take your character out. That is a fact.

Some are assumptions based on my lack of knowledge of the character and that of the three or four bios I've looks up on him have been no help. However, though I do not know him, I've proven how Blink can learn everything about him and would know what to do (as she's done that with every situation she's been in in Exiles since day 1). Her powers allow her to be diverse and the unpopulated area helps her not worry about bystanders. She's a smart cookie and can figure it out. And lets not forget, most of your defenses are assumptions as well,... you can't prove any of my ideas wouldn't work.

Now,... in reguards to your theorys,.... Jack blasts Blink,.. Jack wins.... however,.. I've shown with examples how Blink could dodge this attack with ease so that Jack wouldn't land any blasts. As shown with Hyperion, she can teleport energy blasts away at point blank range, so that takes care of Jack's blasts. He'd have to resort to physical attacks, but she's not a stupid physical fighter and knows when to fight up close and when to keep at a distance. She will teleport you away, or herself. So how will Jack beat Blink "AS A FACT" again? In my opinion,... he can't even touch the girl.I've stated 4 possibilities of how Blink can hurt or take down Jack, and you've only been able to PROOVE that 1 of them wouldn't work. The other three remain possibilities. You've stated 1 way for Jack to win,... and I've stated how that wouldn't work. So what else do you have? Jack's tough, but in this match,.. diversity, preparation, knowledge, and creativity will win the match.

Winner - Blink

Nightwolf

01-08-2006, 10:29 PM

Rogue Vs. Death's Head II

As most of you probably know Rogues power is to drain off portions of a living being‘s essence upon physical contact, giving them a biophysical shock while synthesizing into her body their physical skills, memories, personality traits, and superhuman matrixes to a varying degree. Her most well known version is with Ms. Marvels powers which give her flight, superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and durability, a seventh sense that allowed her to react instinctively to danger and home in on specified objects. Her previous match against Shang Shi has given her the abilities of the greatest living practitioner of Kung Fu and makes her an expert in various related disciplines. Also proficient in the art of meditation, which is used to focus chi, the mysterious energy martial-arts masters channel to strengthen their skills.
As a master of Kung Fu, Shang-Chi was also well-versed in the use of many hand-held martial-arts implements, including the staff, nunchukas and double-edged sword.
As a member of the X-men she is obviously not only well trained for any situation but has specifically been trained for fighting against sentinals and has run countless battle simulations against foes just like deaths head but has also had the real life experiences of these types of battles and so will know not to underestimate any enemy. In fact as part of her prep time she could use the danger room to practice against deaths head and find the fastest and easiest way to take him down. She has the advantage of being airborne and so can stay out of reach of DH and her seven sense ability will mean she wont be caught unawares and as her power says be able to act instictivly. Close range Rogue is also deadly. Shang Shi abilities mean she can now combine strength with her martial art skills for a devastating combo. She will have faster reflexes and agility as a result and even if by chance DH got a hit, well she's still invunrable. And in the unlikley event that all else fails she could always just take her glove off and touch him finishing him off that way.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsr/rogue1.gif

Winner - Rogue

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 11:09 AM

The thing is, Blink doesn't have to use anyone else to use the room. She can go there in her preptime and just look Jack up on her own. Learn about him, and go to her match. She doesn't need Heather or the roach things to do that, she can use it herself. And I have never thought that anyone would have known about former matches, or can study them at all. They'd basically go into a match knowing who their facing and of this being a tourny, but that's it.

To me, I've always figured what you've done in a previous battle is then common knowledge. In this way, you can't just keep using the same technique over and over again. (Who knows? This is probably being broadcast at Mojo's world. He was in the contest and would be sneaky enough to get it sent out to those who pay.) Like you said, it's a tournament, and just like with any team, you are going to be paying strict attention to the match before or after yours to see who you will be facing. But, we'll leave that up to the individuals in this contest to decide. What you haven't thought of is the fact that there was a 616 Blink with very similiar powers prior to AoA Blink. So, Jack Of Hearts would have some information on the type of character that Blink would be. (Not including AoA's visits to the 616, too.)

I'm having trouble understanding what the heck you're saying here. Why does his powers hurt him when they go heywire, but not any other time? I've read this and I still think it would hurt him and can't understand why this shows it wouldn't hurt (it could just be because I'm very tired though).

What I'm saying is if your body is made up of a certain type of energy or source of power...i.e. Human Torch is fire and HydroMan is water and Jack Of Hearts is Zero Fluid...then, using that same type of power on the person is usually ineffective. (Again, you wouldn't get a flame thrower to fight the Human Torch, you wouldn't get a fire hose to fight HydroMan, and you probably wouldn't use Zero Fluid to fight Jack Of Hearts.) Hence, null and void. His body is made up of this...it's part of him and his armor. Plus, one aspect of Jack's powers that you could not teleport is that Jack of Hearts can create a shock wave with his Zero Fluid.

She doesn't need a lot of stuff, just enough for Jack's momentum to work against him. Teleport him under some rubble, the broken ruins of a room or whatever's lying around, and when Jack goes to blow himself out, it comes rushing back on top of himself. It's not about quantity, but the force behind the quantity that Jack continues to blow on himself. As I've never read an issue with Jack in it, it's hard to understand the principals of what he can take, or how powerful his blasts are, but no one's invincible, not even Iron Man (I keed I keed). You're still assuming that his blasts wouldn't hurt himself, to which to the best of my understanding, is still an assumption to which I applied adaquate reasoning to believe it could hurt,.. so that could still be a factor here.

Well, for the reasoning I gave above, I don't believe it would hurt him. In his battle with Hulk, he wasn't hurt when buried under rubble. And, I've never seen Blink bury someone under rubble before. I've only seen people blinked to locations and such...never "under rubble." And, she really seems to have advance powers to be able to know where this rubble is going to be.

And here's another teleporting thought. What if she teleported him through a portal, but opened another right below him. She can keep sending him through these two portals, and he wouldn't be able to get out of it, unti his speed of falling is so great it'd be like a bullet. Then finally open a portal close enough to the ground where he'd just slam into it. That'd be a lot of force. It wouldn't take him out,... but it'd have an effect,.. just a simple move to use against him.

Boy, she sure can just fire off these teleporting powers without taking a breath or having it wear her out. You are making Blink more powerful than I've ever seen her. This is like Uber-Blink. First, Jack Of Hearts isn't just running at her, saying, "Here I am...I'm coming for you!" This is a large campus. There is a tactic called stealth. Plus, Jack can scan the entire area by air if he needs to. Jack can bring the fight into the campus buildings. This is a one-on-one confrontation, something Jack Of Hearts is well trained at. Blink is mostly used to fighting with a team...probably over 90% or more of everything we know about her is in teaming up with others.

Basically, I've never seen Blink as your are portraying her. She's rarely a one on one fighter, her battles against the big wigs, like Hyperion and Galactus, have never shown her as being the deciding factor in the winning of those battles (she is mainly keeping herself and other's safe for the time being), she wouldn't be able to teleport Jack's Zero Fluid blasts away if he uses Shock Waves as noted, rubble would have really zero effect on him, and simply put, Jack won't be going into this battle with no information and blazing like a bat out of hell. Meanwhile, Jack has so much experience in one on one battles, HAS fought the baddest of the bad and come out on top BY HIMSELF, can use so many more resources in this battle than just teleportation (cause, face it, that is all she's doing), and with a simple shock wave can take Blink out. Blink's been taken down before by lesser fighters...and, she will be taken down again.

Winner - Jack Of Hearts

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 11:50 AM

The first thing I want to discuss is obviously my character's disadvantage of being dislike. Even my opponent uses that to to his advantage in his strategy. He's playing on the hopes that because you don't like him that you should vote against Kid Omega. If this contest was based on popularity I can understand this being a point but I always thought this tournament is about comparing the powers between two characters and their respective strategies and basing an opinion from that. However, if you can't look past this dislike than I guess there's no point reading any further.

There are many factors in deciding who to vote for each week. And, the reasons a person dislikes your character IS a factor. He's an obnoxious child...and, that is a disadvantage to him. Sure, it makes him hated ... but, it also will be a factor in his defeat. If you take a level headed man against a rash, obnoxious teen, who do you think has the advantage? Your character has chosen how people perceive him. And, if a voter is hard pressed between who would win in this match-up, there is nothing wrong with making this a deciding factor. (And, it would and should never be the only factor...just one in the list of why they should vote for Black Bolt over Kid Omega.)

But again if you look at my opponents character, he mostly known to fall prey to Maximus and not this single occurence where he bested Maximus. Plus Maximus was seriously going insane in that series (he was rambling on about how he will be a better husband for Medusa and he cuts her hair off) and he has a tendency of losing his powers when he becomes irrationally crazy.

So, two very early times that Black Bolt has taken on Maximus must be the only ones taken into consideration; but, one of the best stories about the Inhumans is to ignored? This instance, from 1998, clearly displays how my character has matured....something that cannot be said for Quentin. And, the fact that Medusa was being fully controlled by Maximus before Maximus attempted to take over Black Bolt's body IS a factor that must be considered. Especially considering it is a most recent battle, the voters have to consider it just as much, if not more, than those earlier instances so many years ago. The idea of trying to sweep this great maxiseries under the rug is simply as crazy as Kid Omega.

As for this question in sanity in Kid Omega, although I agree KO is clearly not sane in removing Sophie's body from the grave, however as you can clearly see in those scans above he is completely in control of his emotions and is completely and calmly composed when talking and moving around. I mean that defense could be used on nearly every single villain otherwise, just because they do things that are not considered completely sane is why they are called the criminally insane. But even though they are criminally insane they are still able to function properly and in control, just as you can see in those scans above.

Providing those scans in no way shows Quentin's sanity. In fact, when reading about the effects of the drug, Kick, on a person, you realize that the big side-effect in insanity. I read Phoenix: Endsong and that dude was nuts! And, comparing him to any other supervillian is just as nuts. That's clearly apples and oranges. You just have to remember why he's fighting the X-Men in this book to know why he's bonkers. And, one thing that Marvel has taught us throughout the years...people who are bonkers never win in the end. Their insanity is one of the main reasons they constantly lose...and Quentin would be no different.

Now using the Whisper by Blackbolt at the beginning of the fight, although powerful, would be extremely impractical.

You've just finished telling us how ultimately powerful and dangerous Kid Omega is...yet, you say that it would be impractical for Black Bolt to immediately use this on Kid Omega. And, even though the campus is large, Black Bolt has trained himself to know the extent of his powers. In knowing the campus has no students or anything around to harm anyone but Quentin, he can level the entire place for the safety of all mankind and inhumankind. Kid Omega is a threat to the entire world. And, Black Bolt would know how to decimate the University (all of it, for he has decimated lesser and larger areas in the past). You can't say that Kid Omega is this humongous threat then say, "Yeah, but Black Bolt wouldn't resort to using his most powerful weapon at the start." Plus, Black Bolt has used the philosophy of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" before. To take out Kid Omega would save a whole ton of lives.

Winner - Black Bolt

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 11:57 AM

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POWdER-man

01-09-2006, 12:18 PM

He is at his Omega Level mutation. And technically I suppose he doesn't even need a body to live as he was in a test tube in Phoenix Endsong and broke out and just made himself a new body. But basically he's just an insanly powerful telepath,.. made Wolverine whimper on a whim and that's something most telepaths can't do.

The "WORD of JH", mentioned in the last round in the contest of marvel's thread....'nuff said

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 12:42 PM

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POWdER-man

01-09-2006, 12:45 PM

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Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 12:49 PM

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6618531&postcount=218

This was mentioned back in August before the match even began.

What is the point of asking for a ruling when I asked JH what version this is and he says it's this type.

Oh, ok. When you said "last round," I thought you meant our last round fighting each other. I'll edit my comments in my argument.

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 01:05 PM

wiegeabo

01-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Sasquatch vs Psylocke

Heather's biggest advantage here is her scientific knowledge and the resources of the Crystal Citadel the eXiles are now using as their base. With this, she can learn of Psylocke's various powers and start preparing for them.

The first thing to counter is Psylocke's telepathy. Otherwise Heather won't be able to hide effectively. She could scan realities looking for technology to copy to block telepathic scans of her mind. Or, she might be able to use her advanced knoweldge of genetics to come up with somekind of way to block her mind from scans (a number of characters are naturally immune to telepathy so it should be possible for Heather to mimic that).

With the telpathy countered, Psylocke will have to rely on her ninja skills to track Heather, while Heather can use her superior Sasquatch senses to track Psylocke (similar to Logan's tracking abilities).

Heather's also got the University equipment to work with. Blocked telepathically, this should give Heather enough time in the science lab to whip together a couple of items (if she didn't already make them in the Citadel).

So when the time to fight arrives, Psylocke sticks to the air to reign down bolts when she finally tracks Heather down. Now in her Sasquatch form, sets off a smoke screen from the top of the Science building that prevents Psylocke from seeing the roof. So Psylocke begins shoving the smoke away telekenetically to find her target, until Heather, actually several floors lower in a lab, throws a group of bombs through the window at Psylocke. If Psylocke tries to blow them up before they get to her, she'll be in for a big surprise as the chloroform smoke bombs go off. And if Psylocke has a shield up that protects her from being knocked out by the cholorform, she'll still be blinded by the smoke.

So Psylocke either tries to push this smoke away, or move to another position, until an angry Sasquatch leaps through the smoke, grabs onto Psylocke, and begins reigning blows on her. With the advantage of surprise, Heather can get in a couple of 75-ton blows. Psylocke may be strong telekentically, but this is going to shake up her mind even if she's using a shield. Heather keeps punching away, driving them into the side of a building. When the dust clears, Heather is still standing, and Psylocke lays on the ground unconscious either due to the beating, or a nice little injection of something Heather carried with her.

Sasquatch wins

RightBauer56

01-09-2006, 05:05 PM

WTF mate?

POWdER-man

01-09-2006, 05:38 PM

WTF mate?

O_o ok....

Phaedrus45

01-09-2006, 06:44 PM

O_o ok....

Yeah...with those debating skills, we have to try to get Bauer unbanned and signed up for Season 2.

POWdER-man

01-09-2006, 08:32 PM

There are many factors in deciding who to vote for each week. And, the reasons a person dislikes your character IS a factor. He's an obnoxious child...and, that is a disadvantage to him. Sure, it makes him hated ... but, it also will be a factor in his defeat. If you take a level headed man against a rash, obnoxious teen, who do you think has the advantage? Your character has chosen how people perceive him. And, if a voter is hard pressed between who would win in this match-up, there is nothing wrong with making this a deciding factor. (And, it would and should never be the only factor...just one in the list of why they should vote for Black Bolt over Kid Omega.)

Wow, I had no idea. I actually never voted for someone because I liked them more(actually quite the opposite, I have had to vote against characters I liked better many times). I may have voted for someone who I knew more about (because the match wasn't debated and I had to use my judgement), but never just because I liked the character more. This is suppose to be looking at two characters powers and strategies and making a decision upon that. This isn't Miss America, I don't think it should even be A factor. I am not going to acknowledge any further debate on this matter and that's not negotiable. So you can put more free shots if you want because I am not debating it.

So, two very early times that Black Bolt has taken on Maximus must be the only ones taken into consideration; but, one of the best stories about the Inhumans is to ignored? This instance, from 1998, clearly displays how my character has matured....something that cannot be said for Quentin. And, the fact that Medusa was being fully controlled by Maximus before Maximus attempted to take over Black Bolt's body IS a factor that must be considered. Especially considering it is a most recent battle, the voters have to consider it just as much, if not more, than those earlier instances so many years ago. The idea of trying to sweep this great maxiseries under the rug is simply as crazy as Kid Omega.

Although, ignoring all the rich history and appearances not only in their own series, as well as the many appearances in Thor, Fantastic Four, Avengers and Amazing Adventures I guess is fair? This is at a mood point because Maximus is nowhere near the power of Kid Omega, so this really doesn't make any point. It's like stating Blackbolt can finally lift 1 ton after all these years and he is going up against someone who can lift more than 100 tons. If you guys actually think someone who can control Emma Frost, and Stepford Cuckoos (and many more x-men) without even breaking a sweat isn't powerful enough to control one single mind, than please in all rights vote against Kid Omega.

Providing those scans in no way shows Quentin's sanity. In fact, when reading about the effects of the drug, Kick, on a person, you realize that the big side-effect in insanity. I read Phoenix: Endsong and that dude was nuts! And, comparing him to any other supervillian is just as nuts. That's clearly apples and oranges. You just have to remember why he's fighting the X-Men in this book to know why he's bonkers. And, one thing that Marvel has taught us throughout the years...people who are bonkers never win in the end. Their insanity is one of the main reasons they constantly lose...and Quentin would be no different.

Well, I didn't say he was sane in those scans, did I? I said he is able to control his emotions, and actions without even struggling with it. Any doubts with that just look again. Your statement that people who are bonkers never win is a useless statement, you might as well have said anyone who is a villain never wins in the end. He didn't even lose in that series, he wanted the Phoenix and the X-men tried to stop him and they were unsuccessful. So some of the most powerful villains who are listed as criminally insane, such as Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Joker, Magneto, and Dr Doom to name only a few, have not done things that would be consider insane? All of them have done things that would be considered insane, that's just part of being a villain. Kidnapping, torturing, mass murdering, genocide...

You've just finished telling us how ultimately powerful and dangerous Kid Omega is...yet, you say that it would be impractical for Black Bolt to immediately use this on Kid Omega. And, even though the campus is large, Black Bolt has trained himself to know the extent of his powers. In knowing the campus has no students or anything around to harm anyone but Quentin, he can level the entire place for the safety of all mankind and inhumankind. Kid Omega is a threat to the entire world. And, Black Bolt would know how to decimate the University (all of it, for he has decimated lesser and larger areas in the past). You can't say that Kid Omega is this humongous threat then say, "Yeah, but Black Bolt wouldn't resort to using his most powerful weapon at the start." Plus, Black Bolt has used the philosophy of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" before. To take out Kid Omega would save a whole ton of lives.

Ahh...go back to the location there are still people who stay around the campus during March break. So he will be killing civilians, plus each character DOES NOT KNOW in what state that the campus is in until the match has started. So he won't know that there are not many people there, this would at least take him a bit of time to figure out. Plus to make a decision to level an entire campus would have to be factored.

Another thing is that this is a tournament, not a battle in the marvel universe. He's not a threat to anyone else, he's only a threat towards Blackbolt. So unless he is willing to risk the lives of everyone present and more than likely the cause of many deaths, just to save his own neck seems to contradict your own statement of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Is Blackbolt willing to kill every civilian in the area for his own selfish needs, just for the CHANCE of attacking Kid Omega?

The last thing is that since Kid Omega doesn't even need a body, how would Blackbolt kill Kid Omega with this whisper? He can regenrate his body from his pure energy state, or he could even stay in this pure energy form if he wanted too. The whisper as I have seen defined as a sonic wave, would cause buildings to collapse and knock civilians down and the further away you are the less effect it would have. Plus going back to what I said before, the campus is actually large with many buildings and are in all directions. The direction he is facing would destroy buildings in front of him but won't affect one's beside him as much or farther away. If this sonic wave actually hits him, he might be knocked down or it might not even effect him since he's pure energy and can regenerate his body from energy. And this is depending all on Kid Omega not able to control Blackbolt within the first few seconds of the match.

And yes he has destroyed larger areas but when he used his sonic scream the two times and leveled Attilan, did he kill everyone in the city? obviously not, and this was his sonic scream and not his whisper.

Kid Omega = instantly attack by telepathy within seconds
Blackbolt = survey the area, weigh out the size of the campus, look for civilians, etc that would take a lot more than seconds (seconds he doesn't even have). Just for the chance to hit Kid Omega with a sonic wave that would more than likely not even hurt him (since he is energy now and not flesh and bone) and possibly the cause of deaths of civilians in the area.

The fact is Kid Omega can't be harmed physically since he's pure energy and can renegerate from that form. So I leave it open to anyone out there, tell me how he could kill him with a physical attack. Than you factor the FACT he would be able to IMMEDIATELY attack Blackbolt with his Omega level telepathy, and won't be wasting precious seconds on scanning the area and civilian population in the area.

Winner KID OMEGA

POWdER-man

01-09-2006, 08:54 PM

Black Bolt vs. Kid Omega:

Going with the knowledge that this is Phoenix: Endsong Kid Omega doesn't change Black Bolt's strategy in the least. For:

Again, I point out the fact that this match did go to a draw on the first occassion. While trying to dismiss this fact by saying, "this match shouldn't have went to draw the first time," it does remain just that...a fact. And, in deciding how to vote a second time, voters should realize that this fact would bother Quentin significantly more than it even bothers Powder. You think he was insane before? He just went one on one with Black Bolt and it went to a draw. His ego wouldn't be able to handle it. Black Bolt wouldn't have a problem. He'd just keep coming after him.

Yeah just look at the scans above, do you think it bothers him in what people think of him? Yeah exactly, I have scans of proof and you only have conjecture and unfounded reasoning of his character.

The fact it went to a draw was more about the fact that he is not liked not because Kid Omega couldn't beat Blackbolt.

Secondly, I do want you to look at the nice pictures that Powder was so nice to display. What do you see? Yep, the X-Men, including Wolverine, are close enough to attack Quentin. So, clearly Black Bolt can be so much further away than Wolverine and use his whisper to take Quentin out.

This is another unfounded statement. Wolverine (and BTW you forgot Archangel and Beast and Kitty are in the background) is only close to him because Kid Omega lets them. His goal is to reach the egg and everything else is none of his concern. I mean when your driving to work you don't stop to swat all the flies personally rather than let the car fly through them, of course not, there are none of your concern your goal is to get to work. Same thing in those pictures.

So lets see, his goal is to reach the egg and the X-men try to stop him, Kid Omega pays hardly any attention to them and is still able to crack the egg to release the Phoenix to the complete dismay of the x-men. In this match his goal is to beat Blackbolt, so nothing will stop him just like in that story.

Plus you keep on thinking this matchup will go beyond the first few seconds, which it sadly won't for Blackbolt.

The match starts, Kid Omega uses his telepathy and the match is over. Whatever else does not matter, because he can't be killed physically so Blackbolt can't kill him.

WINNER KID OMEGA

Phaedrus45

01-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Voting May Begin!

Sparta*

01-10-2006, 10:37 AM

Jack of Hearts
Blob
Deaths Head II
Psylocke

Kid Omega - I've been going for Black Bolt this whole time, but you finally convinced me POWdER-man...as much as I like Black Bolt more then Kid Omega, Omega gets my vote...the location was a huge factor in my change of heart

Phaedrus45

01-10-2006, 10:45 AM

Wow, I had no idea. I actually never voted for someone because I liked them more(actually quite the opposite, I have had to vote against characters I liked better many times).

And, I doubt a single person voted against your character simply because they didn't like him. What I said is that if all things are equal and a voter cannot decide who would win, that a final vote might come down to whether someone likes the character. Either that or flip a coin, right? Mainly, one of my strategies with Kid Omega is to show how his being disliked and obnoxious is a character flaw...and, by having you so adamant and basically discrediting a person's vote only supports that your character would be even more irrate that this match went to a draw. (Face it, you are practically calling anyone who voted for Black Bolt an idiot.) To be honest, I doubt a single contestant voted against Kid Omega because they didn't like him. BUT, at this point, I'll take a vote any way I can get it. I'm at the bottom of the barrel in points; so, what do I have to lose? But, I will accept someone's vote and not keep begging while voting is going on. After all, I have to keep some dignity.

Although, ignoring all the rich history and appearances not only in their own series, as well as the many appearances in Thor, Fantastic Four, Avengers and Amazing Adventures I guess is fair? This is at a mood point because Maximus is nowhere near the power of Kid Omega, so this really doesn't make any point.

Ah, but it is a point that you brought up; so, I responded in kind. Your two examples are from a few decades ago. My example is from 1998. Most characters mature in time...well, except for Kid Omega. He's only been around for a very short time and has very little experience in battle...and, unlike my character, he's never faced anyone like Black Bolt.

Well, I didn't say he was sane in those scans, did I? I said he is able to control his emotions, and actions without even struggling with it. Any doubts with that just look again. Your statement that people who are bonkers never win is a useless statement, you might as well have said anyone who is a villain never wins in the end. He didn't even lose in that series, he wanted the Phoenix and the X-men tried to stop him and they were unsuccessful. So some of the most powerful villains who are listed as criminally insane, such as Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Joker, Magneto, and Dr Doom to name only a few, have not done things that would be consider insane?

Yep, those people are crazy...some more than others...and, their insanity generally leads to their defeat.

Ahh...go back to the location there are still people who stay around the campus during March break.

Wait, I read your location...it states, " Everyone is gone away for March Break." How did everyone just turn into some???? You have said it would take seconds to beat Black Bolt...fine, it wouldn't take but one second to take down Kid Omega. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Also, your conjecture that Black Bolt wouldn't be able to harm Kid Omega due to his new state is incorrect. His bio states, "Black Bolt possesses various superhuman powers stemming from his ability to harness free-floating electrons." From these powers, he is able to control electrons around him, of which Kid Omega would be made up of. You simply discredit Black Bolt's powers on a continual basis.

Winner - Black Bolt

POWdER-man

01-10-2006, 11:08 AM

I have to give you props again Phaedrus, another tough week of debating. Ultimately at this point I won't mind losing. Mostly because I don't want to keep on explaining that an Uber powerful telepath is actually uber powerful...:D

And, I doubt a single person voted against your character simply because they didn't like him. What I said is that if all things are equal and a voter cannot decide who would win, that a final vote might come down to whether someone likes the character. Either that or flip a coin, right? Mainly, one of my strategies with Kid Omega is to show how his being disliked and obnoxious is a character flaw...and, by having you so adamant and basically discrediting a person's vote only supports that your character would be even more irrate that this match went to a draw. (Face it, you are practically calling anyone who voted for Black Bolt an idiot.) To be honest, I doubt a single contestant voted against Kid Omega because they didn't like him. BUT, at this point, I'll take a vote any way I can get it. I'm at the bottom of the barrel in points; so, what do I have to lose?

Haha, we had a hard two weeks, ma brotha. Just to correct you on one thing, I would NEVER call anyone here an idiot....at the most I just questioned the reasoning of a character who can't be killed physically being killed physically.

Wait, I read your location...it states, " Everyone is gone away for March Break." How did everyone just turn into some???? You have said it would take seconds to beat Black Bolt...fine, it wouldn't take but one second to take down Kid Omega. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Everyone is gone away for March Break...well at least everyone who is important

I was initially poking fun on people who had to stay around campus during the march break, when others went to Daytona and Fort Lauderdale for their spring break...:D

I guess no one got that did they...:(

Phaedrus45

01-10-2006, 11:19 AM

Yeah, at this point, I don't mind if I win or lose. I'm eagerly awaiting the end of Round 2. I guess we'll be having a week off again? Plus, we have some characters to disperse again, right? My characters I got were so bad, I'm inclined to say "Keep 'em!" They brought down my average...if it could go any lower..lol. I think you got pretty lucky with PsychoMan.

POWdER-man

01-10-2006, 11:26 AM

Yeah I got some crap characters like my infamous Flatman and Shanna (who actully might have won if I didn't sabotage her chances..:D), but I did luck out with a couple of good characters like Loki and Psycho Man. Gauntlet advanced, and he might win next round but he won't go much further than that. And I lost Snowbird quite handedly.

I was thinking since I got a couple of good characters I will sit out the next draw out if we don't have enough characters to go around. It's only fair.

Nightwolf

01-10-2006, 11:55 AM

Rogue Vs. Deaths Head

I wasnt sure whether to use this now or wait for the next round but seeing as this is the last week of round 2 im going to bring out the big guns.
So Rogue has got close enough to DH and with both gloves off she places both hands directly on his face. It takes less than a second for the effect to start taking place, suddenly she starts absorbing all that is Deaths Head II like she's done to others countless times. At first she doesnt notice anything different than any other time, then she understands. She understands the possibilites and she doesnt let go.
Here's where it gets interesting. In DHII's bio it says 'There are multiple personalities in its memory and while Death's Head is the dominant personality he has access to the skills of the others.'
DH unable to comprehend the situation he has found himself in falls to the ground unconsious. Rogue skin is now starting to change blue. Metal is slowly forming around her body. She smiles and dissappears in a puff of smoke.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/rogue22.jpg.

Winner - Rogue

POWdER-man

01-10-2006, 11:58 AM

Tough bracket...

Kid Omega (good mathcup Phaedrus)
Blob (you might get your 4th character with this one nightwing)
Death's Head (You almost had me convinced Night wolf)
Psylocke (Tough call, I like your debate Wieg. although there were just too many factors against Sasquatch.)
...
This last one was the hardest but I am going with...

Jack of Heart's

Phaedrus45

01-10-2006, 02:47 PM

Man, this was a tough round...two of my most difficult debates. JH and Powder, let's not do this again sometime soon.
*Psylocke
*Rogue
*Blob
*Jack Of Hearts
*Black Bolt

WOLVERINE25TH

01-10-2006, 06:13 PM

Psylocke
Rogue
Blob
Blink
Black Bolt

Johnny Blaze

01-10-2006, 07:29 PM

Psylocke
Death's Head II
Blob
Jack of Hearts
Kid Omega

Harlekin

01-10-2006, 11:10 PM

Psylocke
Death's Head II
Blob
Jack of Hearts
Black Bolt

Nightwolf

01-11-2006, 12:56 AM

Rogue Vs. Deaths Head II

You guys are just scared of what it means if Rogue were to win this match. After absorbing DH power she'll have access to the powers of anyone she's previously touched, ever. We know that she keeps their personalities stored within her as we saw in Xtreme X-Men when she had access to all of their powers and used them accordingly. All she needs to do to win this battle is get a hold of DH for a couple of seconds and then he's screwed. She could just Hulk out or something and smash puny Deaths head to bits.

Winner - Rogue

JewishHobbit

01-11-2006, 07:51 AM

Psylocke
Rogue
Blob
Blink

Kid Omega

Nightwing.

01-11-2006, 09:19 AM

Psylocke
Death's Head II
Blob
Jack of Hearts

Black Bolt

POWdER-man

01-11-2006, 10:15 AM

Man 4-4....I don't think I want to go through another week....

Sparta*

01-11-2006, 10:25 AM

I don't think anyone else wants you guys to go through another week either lol!

Worse case scenario, we can hit up my tourney again

POWdER-man

01-11-2006, 10:32 AM

Well the fact that this is the last week for this round, it would almost have to be......

However if the top three vote, we shouldn't have to....
Wiegeabo
Nightwolf
Midnight Ice
Death's Head (but I doubt he'll vote)

Phaedrus45

01-11-2006, 10:45 AM

Results So Far:

Psylocke 8-0 over Sasquatch-Exiles
Death's Head II 5-3 over Rogue
Blob 8-0 over Rockslide
Jack Of Hearts 6-2 over Blink
Black Bolt 4-4 tie with Kid Omega

Sparta*

01-11-2006, 10:47 AM

When does voting end??

May God have mercy on you Phaed and Powder if this is a tie again lol

Nightwolf

01-11-2006, 10:54 AM

Psylocke
Rogue
Blob
Jack Of Hearts
Kid Omega

wiegeabo

01-11-2006, 03:04 PM

Quick question about Rogue (and other characters). I was under the impression that their powers reset with every match. They can remember the matches, but not keep anything. So Rogue would keep anything she stole from one match to the next, just get her base powers.

Sasquatch
Rouge (still think she could squeeze out a win without keeping tourney powers)
Blob
Blink
Blackbolt

Phaedrus45

01-11-2006, 03:25 PM

5-5 tie for Rouge vs. Death's Head and Black Bolt vs. Kid Omega.

Phaedrus45

01-11-2006, 03:27 PM

Quick question about Rogue (and other characters). I was under the impression that their powers reset with every match. They can remember the matches, but not keep anything. So Rogue would keep anything she stole from one match to the next, just get her base powers.

Yeah, for this tournament, you don't get to keep the spoils of your past victories....but, it's a thought for future tournaments. It might make things interesting, but only for select characters.

deathshead2

01-11-2006, 04:58 PM

Sasquatch
Deathshead2
Blob
Blink
Blackbolt

Phaedrus45

01-11-2006, 06:35 PM

Updated Results:

Psylocke 9-2 over Sasquatch-Exiles
Death's Head II 6-5 over Rogue
Blob 11-0 over Rockslide
Jack Of Hearts 7-4 over Blink
Black Bolt 6-5 over Kid Omega

Nightwolf

01-11-2006, 09:10 PM

Yeah, for this tournament, you don't get to keep the spoils of your past victories....but, it's a thought for future tournaments. It might make things interesting, but only for select characters.

Are you sure, i think im going to have to ask a JH ruling here. I dont rememvber it being said but Rogue is kind of a special case anyway, i dont know any other characters whos powers could change from match to match. I mean its not like taking iron mans armour after you beat him, her power is to absorb others powers.

JewishHobbit

01-11-2006, 09:24 PM

Yeah, it was stated early on in the tournament that power copiers cannot carry new powers over from one match to the other. Rogue, Mimic, Mimic (Exiles), etc etc etc. The same goes for anything really... no carrying over anything from the previous match, save the knowledge that you were in it and you won.

And man, Blink's losing pretty bad. I thought this was the only match I had a chance with, and it's the only one I'm losing (the other two are currently ties). Come one people,... vote Blink '06!!!

wiegeabo

01-11-2006, 09:30 PM

And man, Blink's losing pretty bad. I thought this was the only match I had a chance with, and it's the only one I'm losing (the other two are currently ties). Come one people,... vote Blink '06!!!

I did man! What more do you want! :mad:

:p :D

POWdER-man

01-11-2006, 09:31 PM

Midnight Ice is the only who never voted in this thread......I still never got my answer on how Blackbolt could beat Kid Omega physically....:(

Nightwolf

01-11-2006, 09:31 PM

Oh man, i was thinking Rogue was my best chance to win this tourny otherwise :(.

POWdER-man

01-11-2006, 09:34 PM

Well if Midnight Ice votes for Rogue and Kid omega it will make FOUR ties this week....:eek:

JewishHobbit

01-11-2006, 09:35 PM

:mad: I HATE TIES!!!! :mad:

Especially the bow kind :D

Sparta*

01-11-2006, 09:36 PM

Me too...and we got 2 JH!

I don't want to debate again lol we should just let my tourney decide, it'll be easier for us :up:

JewishHobbit

01-11-2006, 09:40 PM

I'm half tempted. Maybe I should make a new rule that any time that there's a tie,.. if both parties agree, we can just go ahead and throw it over in your tournament,... even if it's only the first tie.

Sparta*

01-11-2006, 09:43 PM

I think that would be a good idea dude...I know a lot of people loathe ties, and they should have the choice to be lazy lol

POWdER-man

01-11-2006, 09:48 PM

Yeah two weeks of debates is no fun on the same issues....

Phaedrus45

01-12-2006, 01:05 AM

Yeah two weeks of debates is no fun on the same issues....

Yeah, especially when I'm right and you're wrong.:p

POWdER-man

01-12-2006, 08:22 AM

Yeah, especially when I'm right and you're wrong.:p

huh.....funny I was thinking it was the opposite....;)

Well doesn't look like Ice is going to vote so I guess I should concede defeat.

Good Job Phaedrus.....(I hope I don't meet up with you for awhile)

Phaedrus45

01-12-2006, 09:54 AM

Voting Is Over!

Final Results:

Psylocke 9-2 over Sasquatch-Exiles
Death's Head II 6-5 over Rogue
Blob 11-0 over Rockslide
Jack Of Hearts 7-4 over Blink
Black Bolt 6-5 over Kid Omega

Phaedrus45

01-20-2006, 11:32 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

BRACKET 1,

Match 1:

Enchantress(SPARTA) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/e/enchantress.htm)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picse/enchantress.gif

vs.

Jean Grey(JH) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jeangrey.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_phoenixIV.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=phoenixIV.jpg)

Match 2:

Hyperion-Exiles(JH) bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=28111)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_hyperion.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=hyperion.jpg)

vs.

Seina Blaze (WOLVERINE) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/blaze.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_blaze.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=blaze.jpg)

Phaedrus45

01-20-2006, 12:01 PM

BRACKET 2,

Match 1:

Goblin Queen (BLAZE) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/gq.html)

http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/gq.jpg

vs.

Omega Red (WIEGEABO) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/omegared.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_omega.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=omega.jpg)

Match 2:

Nico Minoru (JH) bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Minoru)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_sistergrimm.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=sistergrimm.jpg)

vs.

High Evolutionary (PHAED) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/highevolutionary.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_High-Evolutionary.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=High-Evolutionary.jpg)

POWdER-man

01-20-2006, 06:04 PM

You want the location.......YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE LOCATION.

This weeks matches are held at the Secret Wars' Battleworld. This is an alien planet used during this famous crossover, between several superheroes and supervillains.

This planet was created by the Beyonder in a distant galaxy and stocked with alien weapons and technology.

Phaedrus45

01-20-2006, 06:55 PM

High Evolutionary vs. Sister Grimm:

Oh, man. High Evolutionary is in his element. All the science and wonder the Secret Wars planet has, and he'd understand pretty much all of it. Nico wouldn't stand a chance. Seriously, there is little to debate in this match-up. High Evolutionary knows all written knowledge known to man; thus, he'd be completely aware of The Pride. Also, with his psionic powers and ability to rearrange matter with those powers, Nico would soon be his to play with and experiment on. And, with all those gadgets at his control, Nico isn't going to be having a very nice time as one of his guinea pigs. After all, Nico barely beat her previous encounters, Thunderstrike by 1 point and Scorpion by 2....High Evolutionary unanimously beat Prodigy and last round soundly thrashed the Scarlet Spider. In fact, if my opponent wishes to concede defeat, High Evolutionary would consider letting her go after a few studies of the nature of her powers and relationship with The Pride.

Winner - High Evolutionary

POWdER-man

01-20-2006, 07:06 PM

Actually it was Scorpion, but that was because I debated that match quite severely...

JewishHobbit

01-20-2006, 09:00 PM

Wow... three matches in this thread alone.... hmm,.. give me a minute.

JewishHobbit

01-20-2006, 09:31 PM

I don't have much time, but I'll get some quick ideas out and may elaborate on them later.

Jean Grey Vs Enchantress

This could be a very tough match up,... but Jean has one huge advantage. She's one of the world's strongest telepaths, and Enchantress has no resistance to telepathy. All it would take is three seconds for Enchantress to fall asleep. Jean has this in that her greatest strength is undefendable by her foe.

Winner - Jean Grey

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Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Sonia Blaze

Okay, now I'm not going to underestimate Sonia, as I love her as a character. Her blasts are powerful, even possibly powerful enough to hurt Hyperion... but she lacks something that Hyperion has an abundance of. She is as fast as any normal person,... while Hyperion is hyperfast. He may play with her for a bit, but once he sees her power he will not waste time in killing her. He will quickly slam into her before she can make contact. If the blow alone doesnt' kill her, Hyperion would grab her by the throat and fry her head off with his heat vision.

Winner - Hyperion

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Nico Minoru Vs High Evolutionary

Hmmm,..... I'll find a way,.. I'll get back with you.

Phaedrus45

01-20-2006, 10:37 PM

Actually it was Scorpion, but that was because I debated that match quite severely...

You??!!?? Debate a match severly??!!?? I don't believe it!

POWdER-man

01-21-2006, 07:51 AM

You??!!?? Debate a match severly??!!?? I don't believe it!

Pfft....I know...:rolleyes:

POWdER-man

01-21-2006, 07:54 AM

I don't think we are going to ever get Seina's name right....:D

Nightwing.

01-21-2006, 08:14 AM

I don't have much time, but I'll get some quick ideas out and may elaborate on them later.

Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Sonia Blaze

Okay, now I'm not going to underestimate Sonia, as I love her as a character. Her blasts are powerful, even possibly powerful enough to hurt Hyperion... but she lacks something that Hyperion has an abundance of. She is as fast as any normal person,... while Hyperion is hyperfast. He may play with her for a bit, but once he sees her power he will not waste time in killing her. He will quickly slam into her before she can make contact. If the blow alone doesnt' kill her, Hyperion would grab her by the throat and fry her head off with his heat vision.

Winner - Hyperion

sorry i couldnt resist

JewishHobbit

01-21-2006, 11:47 AM

That's just wrong..... but nonetheless, Hyperion comes out the winner :D

JewishHobbit

01-21-2006, 12:10 PM

Nightwing.

01-21-2006, 12:33 PM

That's just wrong..... but nonetheless, Hyperion comes out the winner :D

i apolgise but he definately did come your right:eek:

sorry sorry that was poor........i hang my head in shame and go stand in the corner:(

JewishHobbit

01-21-2006, 09:38 PM

Ewww

Phaedrus45

01-21-2006, 11:00 PM

Okay,.... so here's an idea:

Nico Minoru Vs High Evolutionary

Now I do believe that Nico is at a disadvantage here in power and knowledge. High Evolutionary will know about the Pride, and possibly Nico, not because she is the daughter of them, but because she's been getting air time in the media of late. He may not know the nature of her powers, but he'll know who she is. Nico, however, would know nothing of the High Evolutionary. So I'll have to take this match at a first meet basis.

Okay, I believe that I can play the location to Nico's advantage, not because she'd be able to use it, but because H.E. interest inthe technology beyond their years will be intrigued by it. He will be distracted by it so that he won't immediately set out to find Nico, he will be studying the technology around him. Nico may be impressed with it at first, but will move on quickly to finding her foe. He will most probably be talking to himself, so she will hear him and will find him silently. The most obvious thing then will be that she sees a man in armor, and not knowing him, she will think it a source of his power. Thus, she will say something along the lines of "From Dust to Dust" so that the armor will suddenly desintigrate, surprising the H.E. He will turn and find the young girl, but Nico is smart and knows not to waste time. She will then strike him with something along the lines of "amnesia." The H.E. will suddenly forget what is being done or who he is. He will look around confused. He will see Nico and ask her what's going on and Nico will see that he's lost his memory. She will approach him in a comforting voice, and when she is close enough, she will slam her staff accross his face and knock him out. She will win with her speed and creativity (which she is known for), and the High Evolutionary's curiosity and intelligence ended up being his downfall, as it distracted him from searching for her and psionically scanning for her. In the end,.. the underdog can win again.

Winner - Nico Minoru

This is called a dreamers strategy. I seem to remember a character in a comic trying the same tactic...it could have been Quicksilver from his solo series...but, I believe that either due to his psionic powers or his armor, he knew the person was observing him. Either way, High Evolutionary has an evolved mind, and would be very aware that you might try this strategy. In fact, when I was writing my debate, I thought, "JH will think that all of this machinery and technology is going to transfix my character...but, if I would think that JH will try this, then it only stands to reason that someone of such heightened intelligence would think of this too." And, while I do agree that all this information will be of interest to HE, he would have read about The Pride (seems like enough people knew of this group before they were discovered, and there would have been stuff written about them) and be equally interested in learning about their body chemistry and who they are.

Anyway, JH, you had your chance to get away pretty much unscathed. Now, your character is going to be given the full treatment by my character.....enima and all. He's especially interested in making her bleed and bleed and bleed....just to see how that nice little toy of hers works.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

Winner - natch - High Evolutionary

JewishHobbit

01-21-2006, 11:26 PM

double post

JewishHobbit

01-21-2006, 11:28 PM

JewishHobbit

01-23-2006, 06:45 AM

And just something to think about. High Evolutionary comes accross as this super unbeatable force in his bios and description, but lets not forget that he's gone down many times before. Sinister defeated him single handedly just prior to the X-Men's Revolution relaunch, so it isn't exactly impossible... just food for thought.

Johnny Blaze

01-23-2006, 11:56 AM

Goblin Queen (BLAZE)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/GoblinQueen.jpg

vs.

Omega Red (WIEGEABO)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/OmegaRed.jpg

Well, Omega Red stands a chance if he can get close enough to the Goblin Queen and engage her in melee so his death spore can take effect. But the chances of Red doing that before Maddy could attack him telepathically are slim. Not to mention he'd also have to deal with her awesome TK powers.
Now, if the Queen resorted to using her TK on him, it would/could be a long match. Omega Red has been shown to be a glutton for punishment in the past. Physically, he can take a beating and keep on coming back.
But, mentally he's weak (as shown when the Soul Skinner easily made him his servant). He's got no access to any kind of mental blocking devices, and he wouldn't be able to find one on Battleworld despite the plethora of tech on the planet (Arkady is no tech genius, and even big brains like Reed Richards and Tony Stark couldn't make heads or tails of most of the tech there).
With a straight mental assault, the Queen would take Omega Red down without a problem.

Phaedrus45

01-23-2006, 02:47 PM

Okay,.. even if he does somehow know that she's coming, all she needs to do is speak, and I'm not sure if HE is quick enough to react before a word can be spoken. And lets say that even if he could, Nico isn't stupid. She's shown to be one of the most resourceful members of the Runaways and is a good strategist. If she was unfamiliar with the HE, then I'd think she'd prepare herself. She would probably cast something along the lines of mental protection or physical disability, or something that helps her move in silence... I can picture her saying something like "Like a ghost" and make her immune to eyes and scannings and such (on a whim here). Either way,.. she's smart enough to prepare herself for whataver may come. Then when she gets close enough, "Dust to Dust" followed by "Amnesia" and down goes the godmanwannabe! You see, High Evolutionary is an imensely powerful person, but Nico is very resorceful and has her imagination as her limits. She can potentially feel HE in her mind, if for some reason she doesn't protect herself, and immediately speak a spell to protect her mind, and such. However, I don't think she'll need to, as I think she'd protect herself to begin with. "Like A Ghost" "Dust To Dust" "Amnesia" and boom,.. down goes the overrated ironman wannabee.

Winner - Nico Minoru

and ps,.. Nico's goth,.. she may like the bleeding.

Well, first she has to make herself bleed, then she has to think quick enough without being so afraid because her teammates are nowhere around to help her, then she has to get out the words, "dust to dust," without stuttering in absolute fear...all the while, High Evolutionary probably has tabs on all her movements in whatever lab he's in. (This place is so darn advanced, that I bet each base is equiped with motion detectors...or High Evolutionary could easily make that possible.) While you're trying your "hail mary" play, High Evolutionary's psionic powers would take this little girl out of the game faster than she could babble out her commands. (After all, there have been various occassions in Runaways where Sister Grimm has cracked under the pressure of thinking of what spell to do and have it even work as she wanted. Don't forget, she even forgot on one occassion a spell she already cast that ended up backfiring on her.)

Winner = High Evolutionary

WOLVERINE25TH

01-23-2006, 03:33 PM

wiegeabo

01-23-2006, 04:23 PM

Omega Red vs Goblin Queen

So, Omega's real chance of victory is to get in close to the Queen. Close enough the either grab her with his tenticles and drain the life from her, release his pheromones which she inhales and is killed, or just plain grab her by the head and snap her neck. Of course, Goblin Queen's got telepathy to detect Omega sneaking up on her, and tk to stop him in his tracks. How can Omega possible get close enough to kill her? A couple of ways, actually. The simplist...

Teleport next to her! With his military training, Omega would secure a base of operations from which he could control weapons and force his opponents into tactically unsound positions. The base would have likely have teleporters, and the technology wouldn't be that hard to figure out (otherwise, those using them might accidently teleport to the wrong locations, like inside a mountain). So, when the Queen's in range, or when the sensors find her, he teleports right behind her. By the time she senses him, his coils are already around her. And even if she gets a tk field around him, she's already inhaled the death spores. Game over.

"But Omega Red won't know how the technology works, or how to use it!" you might be saying. Well, he doesn't need to know how it works, and he's going to have 24 hours of prep-time to figure out what buttons do what. Sure, pushing buttons randomly may be dangerous, like accidently activating a self-destruct. But he's probably going to be dead anyway without some tech on his side, so it's not like he's got much to lose. And once Omega pushes the button that fires the big guns, he's going spend a good deal of time figuring out how to use them. Same with the teleporters once he figures out his strategy (he is a well trained, highly effective soldier after all).

So, as the battle begins, goblin Queen is looking for Omega, reaching out with her telepathy to find his mind. But, the advanced weapons technology likely has a longer range than her telepathy, so Omega starts bombarding her location with blasts in the hopes of killing her quickly. The attacks may work, but they'll likely be ineffictive against her tk shields. And now Queen has a probably location on Omega and starts moving towards him.

But before she can get in range, there's a bright light, and there stands Omega, killing her with just his very presence. Even without making a move against her, she's already dead. And even if Omega can't figure out how to make any of the weapons work, with the teleporter and targeting scanners searching for lifesigns, Omega has all he needs to end the fight quickly.

Omega Red wins

JewishHobbit

01-23-2006, 10:57 PM

HYPERION vs. SIENA BLAZE

Hyperion's one major flaw is he believes himself stronger than everyone else. He's cocky, arrogant, and maybe he's usually justified. But, he can and has been beaten. His arrogant ways of toying with his prey will give Blaze an opening to hit him with everything she's got. Obviously Magneto's powers worked here, so hers would as well. To outwit his speed, she can easily teleport using her EM abilities and counter by either hitting him directly or sending a huge chunk of planet at him with each burst. She has the power to destory a world, therefore she has the power to defeat Hyperion.

WINNER: BLAZ

The thing is,.. she could "eventually' destory the world if she uses her powers enough. So it's not as powerful as you make it sound,... but it is tough, I'll give that. Secondly, Siena's more arrogant and cocky than Hyperion ever was. Keep in mind, life is like a game to her. She's equal or more hotheaded than Hyperion is,.. and the thing is,.. she'll try and play as well, but Hyperion will only play for a second before roasting her.

Winner - Hyperion

JewishHobbit

01-23-2006, 11:03 PM

Well, first she has to make herself bleed, then she has to think quick enough without being so afraid because her teammates are nowhere around to help her, then she has to get out the words, "dust to dust," without stuttering in absolute fear...all the while, High Evolutionary probably has tabs on all her movements in whatever lab he's in. (This place is so darn advanced, that I bet each base is equiped with motion detectors...or High Evolutionary could easily make that possible.) While you're trying your "hail mary" play, High Evolutionary's psionic powers would take this little girl out of the game faster than she could babble out her commands. (After all, there have been various occassions in Runaways where Sister Grimm has cracked under the pressure of thinking of what spell to do and have it even work as she wanted. Don't forget, she even forgot on one occassion a spell she already cast that ended up backfiring on her.)

Winner = High Evolutionary

You're assuming that Nico's a dunst here. First off, it isn't hard to bleed when she carries a switchblade,... or has a period. That's not a problem. Secondly, she wouldn't freak out because she has no teammates, she didn't the previous two matches, why this one? She should be use to it by now. Also you forget, there's 24 hour preptime here. Her spells are basic and would work against anyone, and all she needs are eyes to know to get rid of the armor. If she has the spells in mind going in, all it takes is a second to get them off. You're trying to make her sound like a clumbsy character, and though she's had her moments, as all characters have, she more times than not can hold her own. The only times she's stumbled was when she was surprised, and she has 24 hours to prepare here. No need for quick thinking. She can still pull off this win! Also, you assume that H.E. will know how to use this tech that he's never seen before in finding her. It's against the rules to set up the location prior to the match beginning, and it would take him a moment at least to figure it out, which by that time Nico can be there. And keep in mind that she's cast a "like a ghost" spell as soon as the match starts so that he can't trace her by vision, mind, etc. (covering it all, as she's a smart cookie). She can take this!

Winner - Nico Minoru

WOLVERINE25TH

01-23-2006, 11:54 PM

HYPERION vs. BLAZE

Ah, but the truth is in the pudding! Hyperion could have easily taken out the Exiles at any time, but he held back immensely during their second fight; focusing on one at a time. I think Blaze might realize the seriousness of a threat Hyperion poses. Even fun-lovers can get down to the gritty when they have to...and boy will she have to. Maybe they can't destroy him at first, but her blasts can keep him at bay long enough for her to do some serious damage. Also, let's not forget Hyperion's got that metal crotchguard. Metal+electro magnets. Do the math.

WINNER: BLAZE

JewishHobbit

01-24-2006, 08:07 AM

Well,... as close as that metal crotchguard comes to makeing me submit,... I must carry on. Now we must also remember this, Blaze may have some common sense about her, but she doesn't know Hyperion and wouldn't know the threat he presents. She'd just rush in making Mr. Clean jokes. Hyperion was playing against the Exiles, but that's because he knew them and even in playing nearly wiped them out (killing Namora). He also led a few of his Weapon X team into killing every hero in one of the worlds that they traveled. This man's a beast, and I highly doubt little Blaze is gonna be able to dance.

Winner - Hyperion

(are you typing Blaze for the same reason I am,.... always forgetting how to spell her first name :))

WOLVERINE25TH

01-24-2006, 08:28 AM

Nah, just too damn lazy to do it all th' time.

Phaedrus45

01-24-2006, 11:27 AM

Voting May Begin!

Phaedrus45

01-24-2006, 11:33 AM

You're assuming that Nico's a dunst here. First off, it isn't hard to bleed when she carries a switchblade,... or has a period. That's not a problem. Secondly, she wouldn't freak out because she has no teammates, she didn't the previous two matches, why this one? She should be use to it by now. Also you forget, there's 24 hour preptime here. Her spells are basic and would work against anyone, and all she needs are eyes to know to get rid of the armor. If she has the spells in mind going in, all it takes is a second to get them off. You're trying to make her sound like a clumbsy character, and though she's had her moments, as all characters have, she more times than not can hold her own. The only times she's stumbled was when she was surprised, and she has 24 hours to prepare here. No need for quick thinking. She can still pull off this win! Also, you assume that H.E. will know how to use this tech that he's never seen before in finding her. It's against the rules to set up the location prior to the match beginning, and it would take him a moment at least to figure it out, which by that time Nico can be there. And keep in mind that she's cast a "like a ghost" spell as soon as the match starts so that he can't trace her by vision, mind, etc. (covering it all, as she's a smart cookie). She can take this!

Winner - Nico Minoru

There isn't a chance she can take this. With prep time and HE's genius, he doesn't need to know about the stuff around the Secret Wars area. He can have a sensor already made, if it's not already part of his costume. And, how is Nico going to be there in a moment, when she'll have no idea where she is? This is such a large area, the chances of them being dropped in the same area is very remote. And, Nico could have all the prep time she wants...it still won't change the fact that she'll realize that this opponent is so far superior to anything she's faced before.

Winner - High Evolutionary

Sparta*

01-24-2006, 11:49 AM

I think your forgetting that Enchantress defeated the Stepford Cuckoos just last round. They are three extremly powerful psychics, not just one. Also, Amora has the advantage of location...she has been to the Beyonders makeshift planet before during the Secret Wars, and she knows the overlay of the planet and what technology is available to her. Enchantress is an ageless asgardian God who has fought many battles in her time. She is extremly clever and caniving in her means, and is one of the most powerful magic users in Asgard. She has spells for all kinds of things, and there is no doubt she has one to defend against Jeans one and only offense, her psychic power. With that out of the way, Jean wouldn't stand a chance in hell. The spell could be as simple as blocking out the x-factor gene in Jean's cells...when it comes to magic, nothing is beyond Amora's powers. Also, she knows she will be fighting a mutant, so in her prep time she would brood over the countless malicious ways she could not only stop her opponent, but enjoy herself at the same time.

Amora's powers are not to be underestimated. She has nearly bested Thor on occasions, and her power alone is responsible for the creation of such heroes as Valkryie and Atlas which is no small feat. She has mind control powers that i'm going to argue are more powerful then Jean's, which means if it came down to it, and she did get bored of Jean she could just make her fold herself inside out or something, which she is crazy enough to do...especially when her vanity is threatened against another attractive female. She wouldn't hesitate to destroy Jean, while Jean would not want to kill Amora.

WINNER: ENCHANTRESS

WOLVERINE25TH

01-24-2006, 01:35 PM

Enchantress
Blaze
Goblin Queen
Nico

Phaedrus45

01-24-2006, 01:55 PM

*Enchantress (Like Sparta said, she did just defeat three Stepford Cuckoos. That's tough.)
*Siena Blaze (The cockiness of Hyperion would be his downfall, and you convinced me, Wolverine. This is the real underdog of this tournament, who has a chance to go all the way.)
*Goblin Queen (Why can't they bring back Mutant X?)
*High Evolutionary

WOLVERINE25TH

01-24-2006, 02:03 PM

'Cause we got Exiles, which I think was a fair tradeoff.

Phaedrus45

01-24-2006, 02:56 PM

After reading through some comics with High Evolutionary in them, I came to a conclusion that is very important in this battle: Prep Time. In Fantastic Four, Vol. 1, Issue #175, High Evolutionary used his prep time in getting ready for a battle with Galactus. Yep, HE went HEAD TO HEAD with Galactus, even using his intellect to make himself as large as Galactus is. SO, to think someone who is knowledgeable enough to use 24 hours to come up with a battle plan against a god-like being, like Galactus, would have any trouble at all in coming up with a battle plan against Nico is ridiculous. Eventually down the road, in five years or so, Nico might be a character who has more ability to fight in a contest of this magnitude. But, face it...this gal hasn't been around long, her matches have pretty much been in a group setting, she's frozen under pressure before, and she's just outclassed to the umpteenth degree. As I've said, my opponent knows he's down by eight points, needs to throw a Hail Mary from his own 30 yard line just for a chance to get a 2-point conversion in order to tie things up against the best defense in the game. (For those who don't follow football, that's a snowball's chance in hell.)

Winner - High Evolutionary

wiegeabo

01-24-2006, 02:57 PM

Enchantress
Hyperion
Omega Red
I Don't Know

(darn, this last one is hard..........................................
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High Evolutionary

Nightwing.

01-24-2006, 03:15 PM

Enchantress
Hyperion
Omega Red
High Evolutionary

POWdER-man

01-24-2006, 06:10 PM

Enchantress
Goblin Queen
Hyperion
...you made a good attempt JH although not as convincing as when you went up against Scorpion(you should go back) High Evolutionary

Phaedrus45

01-24-2006, 06:50 PM

Results So Far:

Enchantress 5-0 over Jean Grey
Hyperion 3-2 over Siena Blaze
Goblin Queen 3-2 over Omega Red
High Evolutionary 4-1 over Nico Minoru

JewishHobbit

01-24-2006, 08:34 PM

Holly crap, I forgot about the Jean/Enchantress match!! Dangit!!

Oh well,.... (and the Cuckoos are no Jean Grey thank you very much)

And Phaed, you play up High Evolutionary very well, but remember that you can quote the highlights of any character and make them sound great, but even the greatest characters get owned every once and a while. High Evolutionary prepared and went against Galactus? High Evolutionary went down with a single "sucker punch" by Sinister. The "god" can fall!

Winner - Nico Minoru

My Votes
Jean Grey
Hyperion
Goblin Queen
Nico Minoru

JewishHobbit

01-24-2006, 08:43 PM

Johnny Blaze

01-24-2006, 09:11 PM

Enchantress
Hyperion
Goblin Queen
High Evolutionary

Sparta*

01-24-2006, 10:17 PM

Goblin Queen
Hyperion
Enchantress
Nico

Phaedrus45

01-25-2006, 12:48 AM

I would also like to remind everyone of the vast arsenal that Nico comes with,..... her imagination is her limit. I layed down a detailed plan,.... but Nico could come in as simple as "Time Misplaced" and the High Evolutionary would suddenly become misplaced from time and out of the match,... a 1 second match and she removes a God. If she prepares herself with the "Like A Ghost" idea that she has 24 hours to think of and memorize (not hard, even for those as mentally challenged as Phaed likes to make Nico sound ;)). And a reminder is that she becomes as if a ghost, invisible to eyes, minds, scanners, etc. This wouldn't be tough for her to think of as she has 24 hours to see all the equipment and know that she may be able to be scanned. Also, she sees her foe is in armor, and would probably compare him to Iron Man, who has scanners. Visibility is a given, and she knows of psychics, as two members of the pride were telepaths,... so it makes sense that she would encompase it all and protect herself from ths unknown, but powerful looking foe. With this, it would give the H.E. a tough challenge in finding her,... and that's something he can't prepare for, as he wouldn't have known it would happen. While he works on find her and figuring out how to do it, she can sneak up on him and simply give off a one second spell that would end the match,.... stuff like the earlier mentioned "Time Displaced' spell. Or she can instantly get back to the orignal plan of "Amnesia" with "Dust to Dust" to dearmor him.

She can pull this off, and even though she's slipped when put on the spot suddenly in the past,... she has 24 hours to prepare for this,... so she won't mess up this time, she'll be ready.

Winner - Nico Minoru

Yeah, Nico can prepare with what she believes is going to happen...but, she doesn't know where she's going to be sent to or the terrain. She could prepare for a week, month or year...but, the fact remains she is young and inexperienced. She doesn't know what she'll really be facing in such a powerhouse as HE. Plus, one psionic blast would take her out before she got a chance to finish her last dust. It would be no problem for my character to build something to detect her presence wherever she is. He can use flight to find her or detection or anything. And, while her imagination is her limit, from what I've seen so far, that imagination is pretty limited. (Wow, last issue she thought of a magic carpet to ride on...sounds like something a kid would think of.) Then, you make her use a spell by saying "Like A Ghost." Now, if she was really to make herself like a ghost and unable to be sensed....maybe she just killed herself. (Plus, ghost have been sensed in the Marvel Universe before. And, to be like a ghost isn't something to toy with. She might end up in a different plane of existence.)

Winner - High Evolutionary

Harlekin

01-25-2006, 04:25 AM

Enchantress
Hyperion
Goblin Queen
High Evo

Midnight Ice

01-25-2006, 04:54 AM

Goblin Queen
Hyperion
Enchantress
Nico
:xmen:

JewishHobbit

01-25-2006, 08:32 AM

Yeah, Nico can prepare with what she believes is going to happen...but, she doesn't know where she's going to be sent to or the terrain. She could prepare for a week, month or year...but, the fact remains she is young and inexperienced. She doesn't know what she'll really be facing in such a powerhouse as HE. Plus, one psionic blast would take her out before she got a chance to finish her last dust. It would be no problem for my character to build something to detect her presence wherever she is. He can use flight to find her or detection or anything. And, while her imagination is her limit, from what I've seen so far, that imagination is pretty limited. (Wow, last issue she thought of a magic carpet to ride on...sounds like something a kid would think of.) Then, you make her use a spell by saying "Like A Ghost." Now, if she was really to make herself like a ghost and unable to be sensed....maybe she just killed herself. (Plus, ghost have been sensed in the Marvel Universe before. And, to be like a ghost isn't something to toy with. She might end up in a different plane of existence.)

Winner - High Evolutionary

Keep in mind that way back in the first round we decided that a person would know their opponant going in (basically an image, but no detail). So she'd see the armor and think powerhouse like Iron Man, and just by looking at the guy he looks dangerous, she'd use common sense. I always imagined the 24 hour prep time being on location, the two people would just never run into each other, but if you want to take that away, alright, but that would also limit the High Evolutionary, as he'd show up in this alien and far advanced tech. place and would have to learn how it worked. He's advanced, but he's not God. If something is foreign, it's foreign, he'd have to learn how it works to use it.

The LIke a Ghost trick would take care of the Psionic attack, as he couldn't find her. And she's done more advanced spells than "carpet ride" Remember the spell that made the guy fall apart into blocks like legos that will rebuild in two hours with no harm to the fella, that's pretty creative, not to mention that it was just off the cuff, for such a niave bimbo I'd say that's pretty good. And while I agree there could be some dangerous aspects to "Like A Ghost" aparantly Nico's not smart enough to think that through and would do so anyhow and would end up protected just fine :D Nonetheless, the match would go as planned and the H.E. would fall.

Winner - Nico Minoru

Phaedrus45

01-25-2006, 10:34 AM

Updated Results:

Enchantress 9-1 over Jean Grey
Hyperion 8-2 over Siena Blaze
Goblin Queen 8-2 over Omega Red
High Evolutionary 6-4 over Nico Minoru

Phaedrus45

01-25-2006, 10:41 AM

So she'd see the armor and think powerhouse like Iron Man

That would be her first mistake. Iron Man and HE are nothing alike. She wouldn't know about his psionic powers, his vast intellect, his ability to make technology that would find her on this planet in prep time. (The same technology that would locate another being...the only other being on the Secret Wars world...would also show where she was while she's in her "ghost form." zap...zap...down for the count goes nico.

Winner - High Evolutionary

JewishHobbit

01-25-2006, 07:27 PM

As I was saying with the Iron Man comment, she would think "Iron Man" and prepare for the possibility. Everyone who knows heros (which the Runaways seem to) knows Iron Man can scan stuff, so she'd do the ghost spell to cover that type of thing, so he wouldn't be able to scan her. Also, if they show up on the world at the same time, after the 24 hours preptime, the tech would be alien, so he'd have to figure it out before he can build anything, and that would take time. If Nico gets the drop on him, she owns this match. And she doesn't know the man, so she'd assume the worse, and his intelligence would be a part of that. She can take it!

Winner - Nico Minoru

Phaedrus45

01-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Voting Is Over!

JewishHobbit

01-26-2006, 08:17 PM

Well, my little Nico has finally bitten the bullet, but I must say, she was my pet project, and it took the freakin' High Evolutionary to beat her, and that was just by a hair. So I'm proud.... expect her to be on my draft list next season :)

Phaedrus45

01-27-2006, 11:35 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

BRACKET 1,

Match 3:

Charles Xavier(POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/professorx.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_profx.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=profx.jpg)

vs.

Thanos(BLAZE) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thanos.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_thanos.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=thanos.gif)

Match 4:

Kang(BLAZE) bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_the_Conqueror)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Kang.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Kang.jpg)

vs.

Captain Britain-Braddock(SPARTA) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainbritain.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Captain-Britain.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Captain-Britain.jpg)

Phaedrus45

01-27-2006, 12:06 PM

BRACKET 2,

Match 3:

Tri-Sentinel (WOLVERINE) bio (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/trisenti.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_tri_sentinel.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=tri_sentinel.jpg)

vs.

Beta Ray Bill (DEATH'S HEAD) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/betaraythor.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_betaraythor.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=betaraythor.gif)

Match 4:

Proctor (WIEGEABO) bio (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/proctorgatherers.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Sersicardproctor.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Sersicardproctor.jpg)

vs.

New Son (JH) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/newsun.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_newsun.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=newsun.jpg)

Phaedrus45

01-27-2006, 12:24 PM

LOCATION:

Ok, someone gave me an idea by mentioning Silver Surfer's homeworld. (And, while I love the idea of the Lost island, I don't want those who don't watch the show to be out in the dark.) With the help of The Watcher, each contestant will be transported to an alien world that is being destroyed by Galactus. Each contestant knows they are not allowed to change the events around them, as it could cause damage to the future of everyone's lives. (Those aliens running around them are going to die, no matter what. You cannot save them!) You have 12 hours until the world will be destroyed...at which time, if you think your characters would still be fighting, you will be transported to an already ravaged world that has been sucked dry, but given oxygen for you to fight.

deathshead2

01-27-2006, 04:51 PM

Tri-Sentinel vs beta ray bill

They are both in class 100. But I think beta ray can win this. Why he can throw his hammer a few times control the nasty weather the alien world is getting from Galactus and when the tri-sentinel his healing himself beta ray can fly in rip it apart limb from limb and this toss his pieces into space. Were talking about beat ray hill as strong as thor and has fought Galactus.

WINNER-Beta ray bill

Johnny Blaze

01-27-2006, 05:54 PM

Charles Xavier(POWDERMAN)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/ProfessorX.jpg

vs.

Thanos(BLAZE)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/Thanos6.jpg

Not to sound harsh, though it will come out as such, but Xavier doesn't really stand a chance of defeating Thanos. Xavier's greatest weapon, his telepathy, would be useless against the Titan who is immune to mental attacks. Even Moondragon with the Mind Gem was unable to penetrate Thanos' psychic defenses. And Heather is an Xavier level telepath without the gem. Even when he has allowed someone to breach his mental defenses, he is an expert at psionic combat, having defeated both the strong willed Drax and Moondragon at the same time.

With his telepathy being rendered null, Xavier will be hard pressed to even stagger the Titan. Sure, he could bring in some Shi'ar weaponry as well as his exoskeleton to help him be more mobile (the suit he used in Fatal Attraction, which is an excellent X-Men story. If you haven't read it yet, get off your ass and get it :up: ), but those weapons would do squat against him.
Thanos is in the top tier of the most physically durable characters in all of comics (not including cosmic deities and the like). He's survived an exploding gas giant without any problem. He's taken the best Odin could dish out and still was able to continue to fight. He's taken a blast from Tyrant (a being who kicked the crap out of the Surfer, Galdiator, Beta Ray Bill, and others at the same time) with only having burnt clothes. Tyrant was even surprised the Titan survived the blast that destroyed a large portion of the conqueror's fortress.
He's more than capable of handling anything Xavier could throw at him. Factor in his class 100 strength, cosmic energy manipulation, transmutation powers (he hardly ever uses this though), his genius intellect that rivals that of Richards and Doom combined, and poor Charles is space dust. :o :(

Johnny Blaze

01-29-2006, 12:43 PM

Kang(BLAZE)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/Kang.gif

vs.

Captain Britain-Braddock(SPARTA)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/CaptainBritain.jpg

Pretty good match up. Brian's has a definite strength advantage over the Conqueror as well as a speed one. But, Kang can easily even out Braddock's speed advantage with his teleportation, time bubbles, and sub-space portals. Normally I'd say Kang would summon the Growing Man to handle Britain for a while, which would be well in character. But, some would probably say that it would be against the rules, even though the GM is a resource of Kang in the same vein as Brother Voodoo's brother's spirit is. But, we'll leave the Growing Man out of it to avoid any possible arguments. Kang's more than capable of taking care of himself anyway.
Britain would need to take this fight into melee range since Kang has the definite advantage when it comes to ranged attacks. But, when Britain gets close, that puts him in danger of getting tagged by Kang's Cobalt Energy Glove (which I've brought up in past encounters). As I've said in the past, it's powerful enough to put Thor on his ass, so it would have no problem in taking down the good Captain.
Excalibur would be a problem for Kang. Even though it lacks it's reality warping powers (even if it had them, Brian wouldn't use it anyway), it's still dangerous and can cut through pretty much anything. Kang has litterly thousands upon thousands of worlds at his disposal for resources, including alternate versions of Earth that he's conquered. It's not far fetched at all to think that he hasn't had to deal with that powerful and famous sword at least once during his wars. He'd at least know enough to not take it lightly.
There are a number of things he could do to Britain if the Captain took a swip at him. Formost, he could open a subspace portal in front of the sword strike and a connecting portal behind Britain so he'd end up slicing himself. That is, if Captain Britain would resort to killing tactics, which I don't think he would (he is a noble hero after all).

Since I don't want to make a long winded speech of this, I'll start to wrap it up. With Kang's weapons (anti-matter shields, ability to call any weapon ever from the timestream to him instantly, Cobalt Energy Glove, gauntlet blasters, sub-space portals, time bubbles, etc), his scientific and tactical genius, his top notch hand-to-hand fighting ability (he did beat Captain America one-on-one before), and his nigh unlimited supply of resources from his time and dimension spanning empire he should have no problem taking Britain down before the twelve hours are up.

wiegeabo

01-30-2006, 02:28 PM

Proctor vs New Son

This battle can end very quickly.

In prep-time, seeing his opponent and name, Proctor tries to research him. If he fails, then he'll decide to take the safe rroute, opting to avoid confrontation with someone who appears to be glowing with energy. If he does find information on New Son, he'll just find out that the same plan is what he'll want to use.

So, the time for battle arrives and they appear on the landscape. Taking just a moment to see New Son's location, using his telepathy to try and muddle New Son's mind, Proctor teleports away, appearing behind New Son and driving the Ebony Blade into New Son's back, and out his front. He then strikes with all the energy he can muster hoping to put this being down.

It is only then that he realizes that rupturing New Son's body, and flooding him eith energy overloads him. As New Son crackes with barely contained energy, Proctor's eyes widen. Speaking a few well placed swear words, Proctor teleports as far as possible to avoid the explosion that rips New son apart.

Galactus takes a moment to look at the significant explosion that had just occured, but ignores it when he realizes there is no threat, turning back to the task at hand. He ignores the form of Proctor making his way back to the site of battle to reclaim his blade.

Proctor wins

JewishHobbit

01-30-2006, 03:29 PM

POWdER-man

01-30-2006, 09:38 PM

Charles Xavier

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/08054.jpg

Vs

Thanos

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/Thanos.jpg

OK I will admit that this battle is nearly pointless. My opponent is correct, Thanos is so high up in the marvel character ladder, that even without the Infinity Gauntlet he is nearly invincible. (I think he should be removed from the list for next season BTW)

I have thought about this matchup for awhile and although Professor's powerful telepathy is nearly unsurpassed, I am unsure whether he would be able to beat Thanos. Although I do disagree with the comparison with Moondragon. Xavier has beaten nearly all of the most powerful telepaths in the universe. He was strong enough to beat the Shadow King, and he was strong enough to beat the Dark Phoenix in these scans.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/01006.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/01007.jpg

So he is certainly no shmoe in that department, but I still wonder if it's enough. I guess that depends on if you believe Thanos's mental ability would be stronger than another infitely powerful being who's power is ALL mental, with the Dark Phoenix. Here he fights with every last effort until he has collapse himself into exhaustion, until he has beaten a foe which is a danger to everyone in existence. So I will leave that up to you, because it all comes down whether you believe if Xavier's telepathy would be strong enough or not. Either you do or you don't, there's no in between.

Of course the other thing Charles has would be his Mental blast, which is like any other blast, would hit their opponent just like a sonic or energy blast. This would be quite effective and powerful and if done quick enough could catch Thanos by surprise. Although, I am not positive this would be powerful to take the Titan down for good, probably not. At the most it would catch him off guard and possibly knock him down, but that would be just delaying the inevitable.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/08058.jpg

Than I come to my last and final strategy. This one like anything against Thanos is a long shot. But it was a longshot when he had the Infinity Gauntlet and it was a longshot when he had the cosmic cube, and he was beaten in both instances from that longshot. The other thing is that I have read in more places than one, that Thanos is predisposed to finally lose in the end. That subconsciously he has/wants to lose. If this the case than he can't win the tournament.

So Xavier in his prep time will come to the conclusion that there is no way for victory against Thanos. At first this might be a somber realization but he will come to the final conclusion that he must do what he has to do, what he has always done. Putting the greater good above all. This is a chance not only to defeat Thanos but to end the suffering to the aliens on the planet that Galactus consumes.

Because of the close relationship between Lilliander and Xavier, the x-men have an access to a great deal of their advanced technology and weapons which they have used for the Danger Room, the Blackbird and the X-Mansion to name a few. So because of this close nature it wouldn't be any problem for him to acquire further weapons, in which my opponent agrees he would be able to obtain. Although, I would again agree with my opponent in the fact that he would be unable to obtain anything handheld that would be able to really harm Thanos. That's why Xavier will do what he must and that is to take out a great threat to the universe. With Shiar technology that is capable of destroying a whole planet, Xavier could at least obtain a nuclear type explosive bomb that would destroy antything in it's immediate area.

I would see this match handed this way. Xavier will appear on one end and Thanos on the other with about only a 100 m away. Xavier will immediately go to his astral form and with this form he will talk to Thanos. Thanos, although a brute is not uncommon in communicating with lesser beings. They will discuss many topics including evolution, history, war and politics. However eventually Thanos will tire of this and since Xavier poses no great threat to him he will not rush to Xavier's body. Meanwhile, Xavier's astral form will soar away from this close area. Now the location was said to be a planet so there doesn't seem to be a limit to how far you can be apart as long as as Xavier stays on th planet surface. When Thanos reaches Xavier's body, he will probably scoff at this weaker species and smash his body into the ground. At this point he would have activated the bomb unknowingly installed in Xavier's hovercraft and this will vaporize anything in it's immediate vicinity. If the Shiar have technology to vaporize a WHOLE planet I am sure they have something that would be destructive enough to annihilate Thanos. Unless you believe Thanos is more indestructible than a whole planet.

So now you probably thinking, "What does this do?", Xavier and Thanos have both been killed, so it's a draw. BUT think about this when voting, how many powerful telepaths have you seen be able to materialize from pure energy form? How many telepaths have you seen create their own body? There's Shadow King, Cassandra Nova, Kid Omega, to name only a couple of powerful telepaths. Actually even Xavier has done it before. He has survived death and he has survived as being only pure energy. So I may ask, why can't he do it again? If history is to repeat itself like it's been done and proven again and again, powerful telepaths are capable of returning from death, returning and forming a body, and never truly dying.

So because of this, even though Xavier's body has been destroyed, his mind and astral energy is not. So he has live past this match while Thanos has been vaporized from the nuclear explosion.

As unlikely as it is, you can't deny it's a possibility..:)

WINNER BELIEVE IT OR NOT Charles "Professor X" Xavier

I mean look at Xavier...he will do what he has too...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/panel_nxm1b.jpg

WOLVERINE25TH

01-30-2006, 09:43 PM

TRI-SENTINEL vs. BETA RAY BILL

One thing to remember is Loki created the Tri-Sentinel, so it has a certain infusion of Asgardian magic associated with it, which means it can have some effects on Bill.

The most important aspects are the multiple layers of shields and regenerative properties the sentinel has. Even if Bill could get through the shilding, he still needs to find a way to significantly damage it before either it or the shields regenerate. Also, the most absolute way of destroying the sentinel was to expose the vibranium inside to eat it down. Since we've ruled out the omnipotence factor of prep time, that means Bill would have to rely on a happy accident for that one.

Offensively, the Sentinel has the arsenal of three infused with Asgardian magic at its disposal. Plus, its super computer-like brain can calculate and project scenarios at which to strike out against Bill and take him down. Cables to ensnare, different lasers to harm. Also, consider its abilities to override technology, it's possible that given sufficient time it could find a way to hack into Bill's systems (he is a robot, you know) and wreak havoc from the inside out.

Three Sentinels. Three attributes. Three-times the trouble. Bill will have his hands full.

WINNER: TRI-SENTINEL

POWdER-man

01-30-2006, 09:50 PM

BTW how you can vote for Thanos? He is SO DAMN LAME.....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/img0242fj.jpg

Come on!!!....."Oops I let go of my cube"..:rolleyes:

Thanos is TRULY too tricky for his own good....which fits nicely with what I said that Thanos is predisposed subconsciously to be defeated.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/spidey20super20stories20039335.jpg

And there is Thanos being carried to the squad car by the beloved NYPD.....oohh look at me, I am so scary I get pwned by a hole in the ground.

Winner (just because of the fact that Thanos is so lame) Professor X

wiegeabo

01-30-2006, 09:56 PM

New Sun Vs Proctor

A little too easy there W, I'll critique yours and then give my account.

First off, there's no way Proctor could know of New Sun, as they've never crossed paths, nor have they evern known anyone who's crossed paths. They are both world travelors, but there's many worlds, and the chance that they've randomly met on another world is slim. Thus, New Sun doesn't know Proctor either, and it's a level playing field. You mentioned that Proctor would telepathically mess with New Sun, confusing him, but remember that Proctor's telepathy is limited and that New Sun has the mental training of an X-Man, so that may be a little more difficult, though not impossible. And lastly, you have Proctor come behind him and stab him, and then teleport away during the explosion. Now let's remember that the first time he lost control of his powers it killed everyone on the planet, when he was pierced by Gambit and died, it destroied the entire planet that they were on. If this plan was to work on your part, Proctor would be dead the same time that New Sun dies, thus it would be a stalemate. Due to the ending, your plan simply wouldn't work.

Now my turn:

The two contestants appear, possibly near one another, possibly separately. Both men are the type to study their pray and to be patient, as aposed to rash. They won't dive into the battle. I believe that they would fine one another and begin to talk to each other in some "I'm superior to you" manor. The fight would start with Proctor firing a blast at New Sun, and New Sun may either dodge it, or be hit. Proctor would then pull the ebony blade and say something annoying about how he is Sersi's Gann Josin and that he's slain them from world to world and on and on. However, all it will take is for the New Sun to look at him. Proctor's arm and the blade charge and instantly explode. Proctor loses the arm in a bloody pulp, while the ebony blade falls to the ground (I can't say for certain that it could explode). Proctor screams and quickly dives for the sword with his other arm, grabs it, and darts through the frightened crowd, blood running down his side. He will begin to fear, as shock and cold numbness floods his body. He is losing much blood and cursing for his arm to heal already. He will probably strike down a few bystanders along the way who annoy him. He will then turn a corner and will run right into the New Sun. He will swing the sword, but New Sun will catch his hand and charge it, exploding it so that he loses everything below the elbow. Proctor stands there armless as the New Sun kicks him to the ground, the ebony blade falling. Proctor will shoot a bolt of energy at New Sun and will hit him, and NS will fall back. Having enough of this nuisance, New Sun will simply nod to Proctor, stand, turn, and leave. Proctor will try to reach his feet as suddenly he realizes that his mouth is glowing. His toung and teeth are charged and suddenly explode, blowing his brain to bits. He falls over dead as New Sun walks on through the terrified crowd.

Winner - New Sun

In defense of my writeup, I state that finding information about each other is not necessary. If Proctor could, that would be great. But even without any info, the fight still progresses the same way.

Now, both appear on the planet. Proctor sees a guy literally glowing with energy, a riot of fleeing aliens, and Galactus himself destroying the planet. That fact alone tells Proctor he doesn't have time to mess around if he wants to survive. So the battle proceeds instantly.

I said Proctor would try to use his telepathy on New Son, not that it would necessarily work. He may even try his tk to knock New Son around to try and keep him off balance. And even try telepathically ordering the aliens to attack and distract New Son.

At this point, Proctor wants to finish the fight instantly becuase of Galactus, and because he might just see aliens attacking New Son just spontaneously explode. A good hint that Proctor better make this quick. So he goes with a teleport, stab, and overload. Not knowing that New Son's death would wipe out the planet. So he teleports to "safety". New Son explodes, and the energy spreads out to encompass the planet. But there is a time, no matter how short, between New Son's death and Proctor's. During this time, Proctor has won the fight and is transported to safety for use in the next round.

Proctor wins

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 10:39 AM

VOTING MAY BEGIN!

WOLVERINE25TH

01-31-2006, 10:49 AM

Thanos
Kang
Tri-Sentinel
New Son

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 11:36 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that not only is Professor X a powerful telepath, he also has a remarkable ability to improve his psionic powers. Bringing Cerebro alone would enhance his powers by tenfold and he could possibly use his prep time to strength cerebro's power even more.

WINNER PROFESSOR X

Harlekin

01-31-2006, 12:07 PM

Professor X (At first I was going to go for Thanos, but after a lot of back-and-forth, I've found the actions Powder has described seem very characteristic of both Thanos and Xavier for me. I think that, ultimately, his strategy is viable, and he has a shot.)
Kang
Tri-Sentinel
Proctor

Harlekin

01-31-2006, 12:20 PM

Damn, two minutes later and I've come to regret my vote. However, I cannot change this vote, I do believe Thanos can win, through a method that neither has discussed but is in Thanos' arsenal, and can not be ignored. Blaze will undoubtedly know what I am talking about however, in his rebuttal.

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 12:27 PM

*Thanos (At least Thanos finally had some competition. And, Powder, I seriously think you were a snake oil salesman from the wild west in a previous life. Damn, you almost had me convinced.)
*Kang
*Beta Ray Bill
*New Son (Once before I didn't vote on a match, because it was a draw in my opinion. This is that type of match. I see them both dying on this planet, and Galactus would be royally peeved when his planet blew up. But, every vote counts now...and I have to give it to New Son. Either way, you guys told a great story. Man, here are two more characters that Marvel should do something with.)

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 12:34 PM

Th....Charles Xavier (give it to the handicap...:up)
Kang
Tri-Sentinel(Wolves gave a better argument)
... New Son (that is a hard matchup and worthy to see any day)

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 12:35 PM

Sparta*

01-31-2006, 12:48 PM

Proctor
Captain Britain
Tri-Sentinel (good debate Wolverine :up:)
Xavier (Wow......just wow)

Johnny Blaze

01-31-2006, 12:59 PM

The Moondragon comparison is a fair one. She's a telepath on a planetary scale without the mind gem, just like Xavier.

As for the bomb strategy...yes, Thanos can survive a planet exploding attack. He's done it before. He's survived attacks that would instantly vaporize most beings with only some damaged armor and clothes to show for it. And that's not including the personal force fields he pretty much alway has on hand in a fight. Forcefields that are strong enough to withstand a blast from Omega, a being twice as powerful as Galactus. And it was a blast meant to kill the Titan. Any kind of Shi'ar bomb, even if it was a planet killer, would not put the Titan out, let alone kill him.

And I was wondering if you were going to post some of the images from those old Spidey comics. :D
But you left out the Thanos Copter. :o :(

And I do agree that he should be left out of a second tournament. He's just too damn powerful. Got too many things going for him and no real weakness at all.
After all, there's a reason why he's ruled Too Uber in the DTL. :o

Oh, and as for his subconscious desire to lose thing, that only happens when he has ultimate power. Deep down he does not feel worthy enough to weild the power (be it cosmic cube or the Infinity Gems), so he sets himself up to fail. In this tourny he has no ultimate power, so he's good to go. :up:

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 01:21 PM

Aww, but when you say shields and Forcefields and such, would he have them on just to smack a cripple....that would seem like overkill...:D

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 01:23 PM

BTW I could not find a copter pic...that pic is so damn hard to find.....:(

wiegeabo

01-31-2006, 01:57 PM

All these matches are so close. So hard to choose...

Proctor
Tri-Sentinel (I'd want to see this fight)
Kang (I'd want to see this one too)

This last one is so hard to choose.
Thanos (but Powder...you had me so close. made me go back and forth plenty of times)

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 02:14 PM

You guys are just discriminating him because he's in a wheelchair.....come on, give the guy a break....he is in a wheelchair, you can't vote against him....he's just too handicap...

Don't make me bring in Jim "The Hammer" Shapiro and sue your asses for disability discrimination....:mad:

:p :D;):D

wiegeabo

01-31-2006, 03:04 PM

You can sort of put me in the same boat as Harl. I'm wishing I had voted for Xavier now. So we'll just pretend he voted for Thanos, I voted for X, and it works out the same anyway. :D

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 03:09 PM

Not sure if it's the same with the others, but the pictures you have of Thanos are blurry, Powder. Like they didn't finish downloading.

Harlekin

01-31-2006, 03:14 PM

You can sort of put me in the same boat as Harl. I'm wishing I had voted for Xavier now. So we'll just pretend he voted for Thanos, I voted for X, and it works out the same anyway. :D
Deal. :up:

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 03:40 PM

Not sure if it's the same with the others, but the pictures you have of Thanos are blurry, Powder. Like they didn't finish downloading.

hmm...I don't know....the first pic was something I found on the internet and it was a poor scan....but the other two should be clear though.....:confused:

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 03:58 PM

Thanos
Kang
Bill
Proctor

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 04:04 PM

Thanos
Kang
Bill
Proctor

Well since you have never done this before, hopefully you at least read all the debates and not just voted based on personal opinion....

I am happy on how well Xavier is doing so far....

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 04:08 PM

Excuse me, young man, I have done this many times in teh past:mad:

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 04:14 PM

Excuse me, young man, I have done this many times in teh past:mad:

Oh yeah.... :rolleyes:

I wasn't accusing you of anything I was just making sure you knew the conditions of this game, of which you have never voted in.

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 04:16 PM

What part of "I voted a bunch of times", are you failing to register?

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 04:30 PM

Jeez man, you might be looking for a fight but I am really not interested. You say you voted a bunch of times but as far as I know the only outside voter who regularly voted was Annoying Silence.

Just chill...ok...;)

JewishHobbit

01-31-2006, 05:29 PM

Brodie did vote quite a bit during the first round if I'm not mistaken, and almost took Ang's team. Keep in friendly people.

JewishHobbit

01-31-2006, 05:39 PM

In defense of my writeup, I state that finding information about each other is not necessary. If Proctor could, that would be great. But even without any info, the fight still progresses the same way.

Now, both appear on the planet. Proctor sees a guy literally glowing with energy, a riot of fleeing aliens, and Galactus himself destroying the planet. That fact alone tells Proctor he doesn't have time to mess around if he wants to survive. So the battle proceeds instantly.

I said Proctor would try to use his telepathy on New Son, not that it would necessarily work. He may even try his tk to knock New Son around to try and keep him off balance. And even try telepathically ordering the aliens to attack and distract New Son.

At this point, Proctor wants to finish the fight instantly becuase of Galactus, and because he might just see aliens attacking New Son just spontaneously explode. A good hint that Proctor better make this quick. So he goes with a teleport, stab, and overload. Not knowing that New Son's death would wipe out the planet. So he teleports to "safety". New Son explodes, and the energy spreads out to encompass the planet. But there is a time, no matter how short, between New Son's death and Proctor's. During this time, Proctor has won the fight and is transported to safety for use in the next round.

Proctor wins

So I'm thinking, if the only way your character can beat mine is by killing himself and hoping he dies last...... that's an obvious nod at who could and should easily win this match. The guy who can win WITHOUT commiting suicide in the process.

Winner - New Sun

wiegeabo

01-31-2006, 05:43 PM

Now, now. That's just one strategy. And Proctor wouldn't know that killing New Son in such a way would eventually kill himself as well. But a win is a win.

Proctor wins

JewishHobbit

01-31-2006, 05:44 PM

Xavier
Tri-Sentinel
Captain Britain
New Sun

JewishHobbit

01-31-2006, 05:46 PM

Now, now. That's just one tactic. And Proctor wouldn't know that killing New Son in such a way would eventually kill himself as well. But a win is a win.

Proctor wins

And what other tactic would he do? All he ever did in the comics was throw his sword around talking about how Sersi didn't love him. New Sun, on the other hand, could fight in any number of ways, in charging things, hand fighting, evaperating objects with but a thought. The dude could charge Proctor's head and make it go boom the moment he tries anything, and it would only take a second. Proctor's a cool character, but he wouldn't know the first thing about New Sun, and he would go down to his ignorance.

Winner - New Sun-

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 05:58 PM

Results So Far:

Xavier 4-4 tie with Thanos
Kang 6-2 over Captain Britain-Braddock
Tri-Sentinel 6-2 over Beta Ray Bill
Proctor 4-4 tie with New Son

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 06:09 PM

Brodie did vote quite a bit during the first round if I'm not mistaken, and almost took Ang's team. Keep in friendly people.

Damn you Hobbit you got me curious.... so I looked up the posts per member in all 4 threads and he voted only once. Which I believe was the first week of the second round after he got his characters...;)

Anyways, yeah I was just making sure he knew the rules...:O

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:12 PM

You shut your lying trap, boy.:mad:

It was before I got my characters

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:16 PM

Also, I voted a bunch more times under a name that may have been deleted due to... grossly offensive behavior.

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 06:24 PM

Haha YES.......the man on wheels is fighting him till the end...:D

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 06:39 PM

Haha YES.......the man on wheels is fighting him till the end...:D

He used to be BrodieBruce. And, yes, he peeved someone off and got his butt banned right when he was going to take over Ang's team at the end of Round 1.

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:41 PM

Dont' sell me so short, I was banned probably over 20 other tiems as well:up:

Sparta*

01-31-2006, 06:46 PM

You shut your lying trap, boy.:mad:

It was before I got my characters

Oh wow, you've been banned before, i'm shaking in my boots. This is a good thread and we don't need your trolling around here...I don't know for sure, but i'm pretty positive everyone ACTUALLY involved in this tourney doesn't give a ***** who you think would win considering you've never debated or done anything to be involved.

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:48 PM

Settle down, son, I didn't know this was a private club.

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 06:48 PM

He used to be BrodieBruce. And, yes, he peeved someone off and got his butt banned right when he was going to take over Ang's team at the end of Round 1.

Just clarifying the text you quoted was for Xavier not Brodie...;)

Yeah I knew he was brodiebruce, and I knew he was going to take Ang's team and he got banned (I was the one who actually noticed in the Lost thread).

But go see for yourself, brodiebruce only posted once per each of the threads...so unless the other posts were deleted but that one wasn't, or he used another alias he didn't vote very much...put the point is....actually there is no point...but what I am trying to say...actually I have already said what I wanted to say....

Anyways, we need more beardless Chuck Norris in this thread....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/chuck1.jpg

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:50 PM

Just clarifying the text you quoted was for Xavier not Brodie...;)

Yeah I knew he was brodiebruce, and I knew he was going to take Ang's team and he got banned (I was the one who actually noticed in the Lost thread).

But go see for yourself, brodiebruce only posted once per each of the threads...so unless the other posts were deleted but that one wasn't, or he used another alias he didn't vote very much...put the point is....actually there is no point...but what I am trying to say...actually I have already said what I wanted to say....

Anyways, we need more beardless Chuck Norris in this thread....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/powderman_222/chuck1.jpg

Like I said, I did it a bunch more times under a name that must have been deleted. They did that to more than a few of my names.

Sparta*

01-31-2006, 06:51 PM

bah...looking at that Chuck Norris picture is like staring directly into the sun...I have to look away quickly lol

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 06:51 PM

Come on guys, I made a harmless remark to ensure he knew the rules...I think more people voting would be great as long as they take the time to consider the debates....

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 06:53 PM

Which I did.

Phaedrus45

01-31-2006, 07:01 PM

The reason to be worried, Brodie, is because there are two heavy hitters that both characters are hoping will be going into the final rounds. We generally only get the contestants voting...but, we'd love to have everyone who wanted to cast a vote. But, most who have tried don't understand the contest; so, they don't bother. Now, since Powder would be ahead by one crucial vote without your vote...there is a worry that possibly the one week you vote might actually effect his character. If a person gets tied or a character knocked out of the tourney based on your vote, that would be a real pain...considering you haven't voted for a while...but, more so if you don't vote again.

Now, Powder doesn't mind you voting. He just wanted to make sure you understand the contest. We want your vote, and especially if you vote each week. That's all. (But, you have to see where he's coming from. To possibly lose a hard fought battle by having you re-appear at this point would be a pain in the butt.)

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 07:08 PM

Brodie The Wise

01-31-2006, 07:08 PM

It was a close fight anyway, somebody had to win.

Johnny Blaze

01-31-2006, 07:41 PM

Aww, but when you say shields and Forcefields and such, would he have them on just to smack a cripple....that would seem like overkill...:D Of course he'd have them. He's Thanos. He never goes into a fight unprepared.

And as I said, there's nothing Xavier could do to take him out. Nothing.

Telepathy? Thanos is immune. Even Moondragon with the Mind Gem could not get through his defenses. Xavier's not getting through even with Cerebro and other power boosts backing him up if the Heather (an Xavier level telepath whether you wish to admit it or not) with the Mind Gem backing her, making her the telepathic power in the univerese, could not.

The explosion? Thanos has survived planet killing level stuff before. Including actually surviving an exploding planet with no harm whatsoever. He's taken blasts from beings such as Omega and a Beyonder and survived. There's nothing Xavier could get within 24 hours that could even knock the Titan out.

Add in the fact that Thanos is in the top tier of physical strength, an A-grade cosmic energy manipulator, is a scientific genius on Richard's level at the least, is one of the greatest strategic genius' in the entire MU, has total control of his body's molecular structure (he is an Eternal), can transmute matter (another forgotten and underused ability), is a mystic, is a top tier hand to hand fighter (he did personally train Gamora) and Xavier does not stand a chance.

And my votes are...

Thanos
Kang
Beta Ray Bill
Proctor

wiegeabo

01-31-2006, 08:03 PM

Proctor vs New Son

Same strategy, different tactics.

So, during prep-time, Proctor does as much research as he can on New Son and finds...nothing. This does not suit well with Dane. So he's going to be extra cautious when the battle appears.

When it's time for battle, Proctor arrives on the planet and sees...rioting aliens, his enemy 100 feet away, and Galactus the World Devourer having at the planet. It's time for swear words and a quick teleportation to put some distance between him and his opponent (and the 80-foot tall planet eater).

With no information on New Son, Proctor decides to get some. Taking over the aliens minds (who should be quite susceptible even to weak telepathic control since rational thought is not currently on their minds), he sends a wave at them after New Son. Once he sees a few of them spontaneously glow and explode, Dave will figure that it's best not to tackle New Son head on.

So, he settles for a quick behind-the-back, teleporting sneak attack. (Some may call that cowardly, but Proctor will kill them later.) By the time New Son realizes his opponent is behind him, the Ebony Blade has already been driven through his back and out his chest. Proctor blasts New Son with energy in the hopes it will hurt him even more.

It does. And it backfires as New Son begins to crackle with overload and pulse with energy. A few more choice curses, and Dane teleports to safety. Well, what he thinks is safe until New Sun explodes and Proctor sees the energy coming at him. Another swear escapes his lips as he closes his eyes...and is teleported away for the next round. (And Galactus is upset because the planet he was feeding on is now gone. How annoying.)

Proctor wins

JewishHobbit

01-31-2006, 08:14 PM

Is Proctor that powerful a telepath? I was always under the impression that he was very low level.

POWdER-man

01-31-2006, 10:19 PM

Of course he'd have them. He's Thanos. He never goes into a fight unprepared.

Yeah but after he sees that his opponent is a feeble old parapelegic cripple he won't worry about using them. I mean IF Xavier's telepathy does not work against Thanos he will realize that it is his only power so why would he bother. He has fought extremely more physically stronger characters without using a forcefield so why would he use it against someone who can't even walk....

Thanos' superiority complex will more than likely hinder his better judgement and he will let his guard down. I mean really, what would Thanos expect from a cripple?

Telepathy? Thanos is immune. Even Moondragon with the Mind Gem could not get through his defenses. Xavier's not getting through even with Cerebro and other power boosts backing him up if the Heather (an Xavier level telepath whether you wish to admit it or not) with the Mind Gem backing her, making her the telepathic power in the univerese, could not.

Nobody is immune completely. Sure he met Moondragon and what I have seen she is below Shadowking, Dark Phoenix and Professor X in psionic powers who all three are listed as having monstrous telepathy. And this is WITHOUT Xavier having cerebro or other telepathy enhancing equipment.

BTW:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6933928&postcount=521

Umm, you even stated yourself previously that the Gem doesn't boost her powers (at least much) and that it just makes it broader.

So really the voters have to consider that Xavier is more powerful than Moodragon, and this is prior to even using cerebro which really boosts his powers.

The explosion? Thanos has survived planet killing level stuff before. Including actually surviving an exploding planet with no harm whatsoever. He's taken blasts from beings such as Omega and a Beyonder and survived. There's nothing Xavier could get within 24 hours that could even knock the Titan out.

Well, if Xavier's telepathy works on him it wouldn't matter but if it doesn't then Thanos will realize this and realize that X is no threat to him. If he is no threat than why would Thanos bother putting up his forceshields when he hasn't against physically stronger beings. The explosive will be a surprise strategy, and Thanos would never think in a million years that Xavier would vaporize himself as well as him so that he could win the match.

That's the key, surprise. Thanos wouldn't expect a Kamakazee ploy by his opponent to annihilate both bodies. Especially from a feeble old cripple.

Add in the fact that Thanos is in the top tier of physical strength, an A-grade cosmic energy manipulator, is a scientific genius on Richard's level at the least, is one of the greatest strategic genius' in the entire MU, has total control of his body's molecular structure (he is an Eternal), can transmute matter (another forgotten and underused ability), is a mystic, is a top tier hand to hand fighter (he did personally train Gamora) and Xavier does not stand a chance.

As for being physically stronger, well if they were going to do an arm wrestling competition I could see why that would matter. He is highly intelligent and a great strategist but they aren't going to war, it's two men on either side on the ring. Plus no one could predict that Xavier would set off a nuclear explosion to kill both him and Thanos. Plus I highly doubt that Xavier will be engaging Thanos in a fist fight...:D

If Xavier's telepathy works than Thanos is beat, if it doesn't than Xavier has no power ability to fight against Thanos. Thanos will look at this crippled old man in a hovercraft and probably laugh his head off. Between Xavier and all his previous matches Thanos probably thinks this tournament is a joke. He will smugly walk up to Xavier and stand tall above his opponent. He decides to finish this quickly as it's wasting his precious time. He pulls a mighty fist high in the air and smashes down with full force that drives Xavier's body flat onto the ground and immediately setting off the nuclear explosive. Thanos would not have time to react to the explosion and all he could maybe mutter would be "Aw SHi........." as the explosion vaporizes everything within the vicinity. Plus with something that powerful going off next to Galactus would rudely interrupt his meal. The explosion would be strong enough that he would take notice and move to investigate what defences are mounting on this planet. If thanos is not immediately killed in the explosion, Galactus will spot him in a heartbeat and will think he is attempting to attack him. If Thanos didn't suffer a massive explosion he would be a match for Galactus but since Thanos is nearly incapicitated, he would be no match for Galactus. Meanwhile Xavier had left well before this explosion, in his astral form, and is far enough to still hear the loud explosion and see the flash and smoke. He knows what he did was for the greater good and he will than fsoar back home to communicate to Jean and decide what to do next (since Jean was alive in this tournament;)).

WINNER THE UNDERDOG, XAVIER

wiegeabo

01-31-2006, 10:58 PM

Is Proctor that powerful a telepath? I was always under the impression that he was very low level.

Even low level could influence a few people. Maybe make them think that it's New Son's fault Galactus is here, and if they take him out Galactus will leave.

Nightwolf

02-01-2006, 01:13 AM

Xavier
Kang
Tri-Sentinel
Proctor

Johnny Blaze

02-01-2006, 07:04 AM

Yeah but after he sees that his opponent is a feeble old parapelegic cripple he won't worry about using them. I mean IF Xavier's telepathy does not work against Thanos he will realize that it is his only power so why would he bother. He has fought extremely more physically stronger characters without using a forcefield so why would he use it against someone who can't even walk....

Thanos' superiority complex will more than likely hinder his better judgement and he will let his guard down. I mean really, what would Thanos expect from a cripple?

Since Thanos know's all about Xavier and is not one to get cocky and arogant like that in this situation, no I don't think that at all.

Nobody is immune completely. Sure he met Moondragon and what I have seen she is below Shadowking, Dark Phoenix and Professor X in psionic powers who all three are listed as having monstrous telepathy. And this is WITHOUT Xavier having cerebro or other telepathy enhancing equipment.

BTW:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6933928&postcount=521

Umm, you even stated yourself previously that the Gem doesn't boost her powers (at least much) and that it just makes it broader.

So really the voters have to consider that Xavier is more powerful than Moodragon, and this is prior to even using cerebro which really boosts his powers.

Actually, I'm glad you brought that up (that the gem does not enhance power). It makes Moondragon rendering Xavier catatonic, psychically, prove that she is at least on his level. Don't believe me? Read Infinity Crusade. :D

Well, if Xavier's telepathy works on him it wouldn't matter but if it doesn't then Thanos will realize this and realize that X is no threat to him. If he is no threat than why would Thanos bother putting up his forceshields when he hasn't against physically stronger beings. The explosive will be a surprise strategy, and Thanos would never think in a million years that Xavier would vaporize himself as well as him so that he could win the match.

You don't read too much Thanos I see. The point is, he's Thanos. He's always prepared for every eventuality going into a known fight. Whether it'd be with Tyrant, Galactus, Dr. Doom, or Xavier.

That's the key, surprise. Thanos wouldn't expect a Kamakazee ploy by his opponent to annihilate both bodies. Especially from a feeble old cripple.

It's not whether he'd be surprised by the attack or not. It wouldn't kill him or even put him down, shields or no. I've already mentioned attacks that's he's survived, with and without shields, that's proven that he'd be able to survive an attack of any magnatude that Xavier could muster within 24 hours.

As for being physically stronger, well if they were going to do an arm wrestling competition I could see why that would matter. He is highly intelligent and a great strategist but they aren't going to war, it's two men on either side on the ring. Plus no one could predict that Xavier would set off a nuclear explosion to kill both him and Thanos. Plus I highly doubt that Xavier will be engaging Thanos in battle...:D

If Xavier's telepathy works than Thanos is beat, if it doesn't than Xavier has no power ability to fight against Thanos. Thanos will look at this crippled old man in a hovercraft and probably laugh his head off. Between Xavier and all his previous matches Thanos probably thinks this tournament is a joke. He will smugly walk up to Xavier and stand tall above his opponent. He decides to finish this quickly as it's wasting his precious time. He pulls a mighty fist high in the air and smashes down with full force that drives Xavier's body flat onto the ground and immediately setting off the nuclear explosive.

Thanos would laugh off a nuclear blast in his worst incarnation. And that's before his resurrection when he was still casually batting around Thor and the Thing at the same time.

Thanos would not have time to react to the explosion and all he could maybe mutter would be "Aw SHi........." as the explosion vaporizes everything within the vicinity. Plus with something that powerful going off next to Galactus would rudely interrupt his meal. The explosion would be strong enough that he would take notice and move to investigate what defences are mounting on this planet. If thanos is not immediately killed in the explosion, Galactus will spot him in a heartbeat and will think he is attempting to attack him. If Thanos didn't suffer a massive explosion he would be a match for Galactus but since Thanos is nearly incapicitated, he would be no match for Galactus. Meanwhile Xavier had left well before this explosion, in his astral form, and is far enough to still hear the loud explosion and see the flash and smoke. He knows what he did was for the greater good and he will than fsoar back home to communicate to Jean and decide what to do next (since Jean was alive in this tournament;)).

WINNER THE UNDERDOG, XAVIER Galactus would not think that Thanos is trying to attack him. That's the biggest stretch I've heard in this thing. :rolleyes:
Galactus would know that it would not be an attempt on his life by the Titan. He knows Thanos well enough that any attack by him on his person would not be so mundane and usless as a nuclear explosion.

Yes, Thanos is immune to telepathy, and, yes, he could eat an nuclear blast for breakfast. There's nothing Xavier could do to him to hurt him. Nothing. To think otherwise is ludicrous.

POWdER-man

02-01-2006, 09:27 AM

Phaedrus45

02-01-2006, 12:00 PM

Updated Results:

Xavier 5-5 tie with Thanos
Kang 8-2 over Captain Britain-Braddock
Tri-Sentinel 7-3 over Beta Ray Bill
Proctor 6-4 over New Son

WOLVERINE25TH

02-01-2006, 01:15 PM

Wow, Tri's doin' a lot better than I thought he would.

Johnny Blaze

02-01-2006, 02:34 PM

Thanos does know Xavier and vice versa. That completely reassures my point. Thanos "knows" that the only thing going for Xavier is his telepathy. He doesn't have superhuman strength, he doesn't have cosmic powers, he doesn't have anything but his telepathic powers. So if his telepathic powers are proven useless than he won't have to worry about anything else.

Yes, but he also wouldn't be a fool. He may not have three shields like he had on when he faced Omega, but he'd damn sure have at least one of his personal force fields on him. He pretty much always does. Hell, with Galactus ravaging the world he'd probably come with more than one.

RE: Moondragon incapicatating Xavier(actually he wasn't paralized he was knocked out)
Well in that instant Xavier wasn't even engaging Moondragon in a fight. He was just trying to communicate to her and she sent a mental blast that caught him off guard. It doesn't mean her telepathy was stronger it just shows that she was able to blast him when he wasn't expecting it since he was only trying to find out information from her.

It wasn't some suprise attack out of nowhere. Xavier knew that the convo could spiral down the tube, so to speak (if he didn't he's a moron). I'm sure he had psychic defenses up like he always does. It's like Thanos and his shields. He pretty much always has psychic defenses up.
Moondragon's is on his level whether you choose to except it or not. She's taken control of an entire world's population with her mental powers before. I'd say a feat like that puts right up there with Xavier.

Later in that series Thanos attempted to tap into Xavier's power to defeat the Goddess. Why might you ask, because he knows how powerful of a telepath Xavier he is. At the end, Xavier, with the combined assistance of Adam Warlock and Thanos were capable of beaten the Goddess.

Yeah I have read some Thanos, unfortunately a lot of it involved his obsession with Death and some reflection on his past deeds..

You're missing out on some good Thanos reading. :(
Read the Cosmic Powers mini for his fight with Tyrant. And, if you can find it, the Blood & Thunder crossover where he casually stalemates a warrior madness afflicted Thor WITH the Power Gem. This is after Thor's kicked the living crap out of the Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, and the entire Watch combined. The first arc of his last series was damn good too. :up:

Again my point is that he will probably come prepared for a mental battle, but he won't expect a physical attack from the likes of Xavier who is all about mental power. He would be convinced that his physical prowess alone would be enough to fend off anything that feeble old crippled could muster.

I still think a direct nuclear explosive from an advanced species who is capable of annihilating a whole planet would certainly be effective against Thanos.

You need to read more Thanos. He's survived an exploding planet before with no harm done at all (gas giant at point blank). He's taken blasts from beings that would make a nuke look like a stick of TNT (Tyrant and Omega for examples). He's more than capable of surviving anything Xavier could get within 24 hours.

WINNER XAVIER

BTW, anyone who might be scared to vote to break the tie should feel free to vote. I am please with this outcome. Of course I would like to see Xavier dethrone the mightiest combatant in this competition, I would still respect it if he ends up losing. At least he gave Thanos a scare....:D

And Blaze, it's always a pleasure...;)
You too. No offense to anyone else, but you're definitely the most enjoyable one to go up against. :D :up: