Contest Of Marvels (Thread 1)

[JewishHobbit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

I would like to welcome everyone to the "Contest of Marvels" tournament. Some time ago I did an open enrollment for a tournament and I am very pleased with how many of you came to join. It's been fun preparing for the tournament and here it is. I, JewishHobbit, am in charge and will be the iron fist and ultimate voice behind this tournament, however my number 1 man and now Co-Leader will be Phaedrus45. It will be he who posts the new matches and keeps the order of matches in each thread organized. So if there are any questions, debates, etc. You may ask either he or I. Now on to the rules of the game!!!

RULES

Basic

1) The first rule is simply this, this is a gentleman's game. I will tolerate debate but I will not tolerate rudeness or any form of belittling. Everything is to be kept cordial or I WILL be forced to act. If there is anyone being a jerk to you please do not retaliate with more of the same, bring it to my attention and I will deal with it.

2) ALL SPAMMING IS TO BE KEPT AT A MINIMAL!!! This was one of the two rules I was promised to maintain by the higher ups and I will be firm on this. General conversation in the threads is fine as long as it doesn't stray too far away from topic. All general conversation off topic can continue over in the discussion thread here (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190200&page=1).

3) And I am sorry but all team rosters have been filled. No one else may join in on this tournament though I would like to hear your opinions and see your votes when the time for voting comes. Who knows, if a person drops out I may be inclined to find a replacement and you may be it!

How To Play

1) Each week there will be 16 matches posted from the Marvel Round Robin Tournament. For the matches where you have a character participating you may debate for your character however you like. Be as creative as you wish, whether it be writing a story, drawing a picture, quoting comic appearances, or by just gabbing your jaw! You will be trying to convince everyone why they should vote for your character to advance in the tournament,.. do a good job of convincing them. And remember, sometimes it takes the tiniest fish in the pond to take out the largest shark, don't get discouraged!

2) Soon after there will be a time for voting. When either Phaed or I give the okay to start voting you will post who you think will win in each match. You MUST vote for every match in the thread for your vote to count at all. You may vote on whatever criteria that you may,.. I simply ask that you vote fairly and not on personal vendetas. The only obvious Bias voting I'll tolerate is if it's simply to advance your own character in some way as it's part of the game. I will not tolerate personal vendetas against fellow posters. This is a gentleman's game and I expect you all to be good sportsmen. Also note that any votes that are cast prior to the proper time for voting will not count.

3) When voting is over Phaed or I will add up all votes. The characters with the highest vote counts in each match will advance to the next round as those with the lower counts are eliminated from the tournament. This will continue on down the tournament until we have that one final champion!!

4) There is a reward in this tournament. It was originally going to be copies of Amazing Spiderman 121 and 122 but do to personal reasons I had to sell those on ebay (to make money to pay bills to the baby doctor to be specific). However Phaed has offered a collection of his own comics as the prize. We will learn what those are as time goes on. The one who owns the character that wins the whole tournament will get the prizes,.. there will be no 2nd or 3rd place.

Weekly Schedual

1) The new matches will be posted by Phaed on Friday nights (around midnight Phaed's time). You may begin debating as you like as soon as you see the matches posted.

2) Voting will begin on Tuesday around noon-time. All voting may now be posted and any voting prior to this will not be counted. Debating may continue beyond this point if the players wish to do so.

3) Voting will end on Thursday around noon-time, thus ending the match. This is when the votes are talleyed and the winners proclaimed. Conversation may continue after this but it is to all be in good conduct!

4) There will be two days of rest and the next Friday Phaed will post the next matches and it will all begin anew. By this time there should be little to no mention of the previous matches in these threads. Any continued discussion can be carried over to the recruitment thread as stated earlier.


AND THERE YOU HAVE IT!!! I hope you all enjoy yourself. I will be watching You! As soon as Phaed gets the first matches up I declare this tournament a go!!!!

Bracket 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/brack1.jpg)
Bracket 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/brack2.jpg)

[deathshead2]

Will he have the matchs up by tonight?

[JewishHobbit]

Will he have the matchs up by tonight?

Yup, Phaed will post them when he gets home from the movies

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

BRACKET #1

Match 1:

Shard (VICTOR) bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=8123)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picss/shard.jpg


VS.

Stepford Cuckoos: bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=13068)

http://tag06.250free.com/cuckoos_phoenixendsong.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #1

Match #2

Ikaris - Jae Guthrie bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=4764)

http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/headshots/joshguthrie.jpg


vs.

Enchantress (SPARTA) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/e/enchantress.htm)

http://www.geocities.com/worthington05/Pictures/Enchantress1.art

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2

Match 1:

Diablo (BLAZE) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/diablo.htm)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsd/diablo.gif


vs.

Doctor Octopus (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/droctopus.htm)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsd/droctopus.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #2

Match 2

Goblin Queen (BLAZE) bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=6850)

http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/headshots/mutantx/goblinqueen2.jpg


vs.

Radius bio (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=848)
http://www.geocities.com/area51/cavern/3474/radius.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

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[Phaedrus45]

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[JewishHobbit]

RULE

When debating I ask that you please do something to make your post stand out. This will help the voters skim through the thread looking for the defenses of each match. This is for all of us, please do this.

Example:

Bugs Bunny Vs Elmer Fudd

Explanation of why you'd win

Winner - Bugs Bunny

Now you don't have to do it this way but in just some fashion where it's easy to find when skimming the thread.

[Johnny Blaze]

BRACKET #2

Match 2

Goblin Queen (BLAZE) bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=6850)

http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/headshots/mutantx/goblinqueen2.jpg


vs.

Radius bio (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=848)
http://www.geocities.com/area51/cavern/3474/radius.jpg Really don't think I have to debate this one too much as it's a no brainer. Radius' FF aren't going to do jack against the Goblin Queen's mental powers. One quick psi-blast and Radius is turned into Vegetable Man. :o

[Johnny Blaze]

BRACKET 2

Match 1:

Diablo (BLAZE) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/diablo.htm)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsd/diablo.gif


vs.

Doctor Octopus (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/droctopus.htm)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsd/droctopus.jpg Ock is a great character, but still, I don't see him taking out Diablo.
Diablo is an alchemical master who's been around for over a hundred years. He's taken on the Fantastic Four multiple times, as well as the Avengers. He has powders and potions that can do an array of different things, from transmutation, invisibility, teleportation, etc. It would be simple for him to create a alchemical powder or potion to melt Ock's tentacles or what not. Hell, he more than likely has a few alchemical acids on his person anyway; he basically is like Batman in the sense that he keeps his bases covered with a wide range of powders, potions, and what not on his person at all times. Even still, Ock is just a regular human, and one good blow would take him down for the count.
I see Ock holding his own for a few, but, when Diablo wants to end it, it's over.

[Phaedrus45]

Really don't think I have to debate this one too much as it's a no brainer. Radius' FF aren't going to do jack against the Goblin Queen's mental powers. One quick psi-blast and Radius is turned into Vegetable Man. :o

Man, I forgot that with the prep time, Goblin Queen original took over this same local, New York City. This match-up location is made for her, because she's done it all before.

Let's see if anyone can come up with a way that Radius can take her out.

[POWdER-man]

Diablo vs Doctor Octopus

Doc Ock has been one of Spiderman's most fiersome foes. Not only has he taken on Spiderman he has also beaten him on many occasions. ie Spiderman 18 (Revenge of The Sinister Six)
Although most people know him for his tentacles, he is also the worlds leading authority on Nuclear Radiation and is a bona-fide genius. He was the Master Planner, he has assembled the Sinister six, has betrayed and dismantled them, and he's a brillaint engineer and inventor.

Although without the tentacles he is simply a criminal mastermind, however without his potions Diablo is simply a man without any superpowers.

Diablo's attempt to throw any potions towards Doc can be taken care of by many different manners:

1.DEFLECTION He can deflect it with any debris that Doc could find around him, either bringing up something to shield himself, or he could throw something to stop the potion from coming towards the Doc.

2. AVOIDANCE He could also avoid any attempts to throw anything in his direction, he is able to avoid Spiderman's quickness and agility so it would be simple for him to avoid a superpowerless opponent's throw. His tentacles can make him travel 50 mph.

3. COUNTER ACTION When Diablo throws his capsule or potion Doc could use his tentacles to generate winds that could blow it right back to Diablo.

Now Offensive

1. AGGRESIVE ATTACK Doc ock's tentacles can travel speeds of 90 mph so it could be ended quickly all he has to do is get one tentacle to stab through him, grab his head and crush it, grab his arms and legs and rip them off in different directions.

2. STRATEGIC ATTACK Doc's strategy has always been to attack in different directions. Even IF Diablo managed to throw a potion and IF it actually connects and hits one of Doc's tentacles, that's only 1 of 4 tentacles. When he is concentrating on that one tentacle there are 3 others that have ripped him to pieces. As well even he melts a portion of his tentacle, he could still use the rest of the tentacle to project though him.

3. DISTANCE ATTACK IF he chooses not to come close to Diablo he could throw large objects because each tentacle can lift 3 tons and keep throwing large objects until it connects and squishes him. Even if Diablo uses his potions to stop these objects, Doc Ock can keep throwing whatever is available until Diablo runs out of effective potions to use. As well Doc's tentacles can reach 24 feet each that's 48 feet in wingspan.

Winner DOCTOR OCTOPUS

[JewishHobbit]

Voting May Now Begin

[JewishHobbit]

My Votes Go To:
Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

(normally I'll vote last when I close the matches, but for this week I'll vote first so all can see what I mean by voting)

[wiegeabo]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Dr. Octopus
Goblin Queen

[POWdER-man]

Goblin Queen
Enchantress
Stepford Cuckoos
Dr. Octopus

[The Joker]

Goblin Queen
Enchantress
Stepford Cuckoos
Dr. Octopus

[deathshead2]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

[Johnny Blaze]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

[Midnight Ice]

MY VOTES:

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

[Da Docta]

GQ
shard
enchantress
Doc ock

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Stepford
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

[Phaedrus45]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Doc Octopus
Goblin Queen

[Phaedrus45]

Tally so far:

Stepford 9-1 over Shard
Enchantress 10-0 over Ikaris
Diablo tied 5-5 with Doc Octopus
Goblin Queen 10-0 over Radius

[Nightwolf]

Shard
Enchantress
Doc Octopus
Goblin Queen

[Harlekin]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Diablo
Goblin Queen

[Sparta*]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Doc Ock
Goblin Queen

[WOLVERINE25TH]

It's a two-pronged massacre.

[Nightwing.]

Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Doctor Octopus
Goblin Queen

[Phaedrus45]

UPDATE:

Stepford 13-1 over Shard
Enchantress 14-0 over Ikaris
Doctor Octopus 8-6 over Diablo
Goblin Queen 14-0 over Radius

[Da Docta]

wow!
poor Shard

[Phaedrus45]

wow!
poor Shard

Hey, at least she did better than Ikaris and Radius. They didn't even garner a vote.

[Nightwolf]

I like Shard and was a bit torn on who to vote for but when your fighting a telepath its always going to be hard. Although is it the real Shard or holographic Shard?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Dang, good pernt, we all forgot to ask that.

[Sparta*]

Yeah...that would make a pretty big difference...psychic attacks won't hurt a hologram.

[JewishHobbit]

Heh,... yeah, it was the hologram

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well crap. I demand a recount! Change my vote to hologram Shard!

[POWdER-man]

Being telepaths, wouldn't they automatically tell if it's not a person and simply a hologram. And if they work together to form a "supermind" wouldn't they be able to detect where that person is around them? The whole reading minds around them thing.

[Nightwolf]

Yeah, I edited my vote aswell.

[Da Docta]

hell yeah!

[Nightwing.]

if im not mistaken all votes are final and cant be changed once they have been posted.any edited votes posts can lead to quite a heavy penalty

[Sparta*]

Not if the information was misleading though....

None the less, I'm still going to vote for the Cuckoos, because psychic attacks won't work on hologram Shard...but she still wouldn't beat them.

[Da Docta]

she has energy blasts though

[Nightwolf]

if im not mistaken all votes are final and cant be changed once they have been posted.any edited votes posts can lead to quite a heavy penalty

Oh, i dint know, where does it say that?

[Nightwing.]

well it doesnt but if JH is following DTL rules then thats how it should be because its unfair if people start changing their votes.people have a set time to explain things fully and if they miss something that costs them votes then its something that they need to work on for the next time eg if someone is a hologram or not.if theyve missed the deadline and then start giving info then its too late and their own tough luck and i expect the same to be put in place if i am that person who misses info.its my own tough luck.ill know for next time.

Nightwing

[Da Docta]

but i thought you all knew that it was the hologram

[WOLVERINE25TH]

There was no specification an' she appeared in both forms.

[JewishHobbit]

Votes are to be final but it is true that I simply forgot to post the rule. I'll make sure I fix that. But nonetheless, there wasn't enough changed votes to make the differance anyhow.

Voting Is Now Over

Winners are:
Stepford Cuckoos
Enchantress
Doctor Octopus
Goblin Queen

Knocked Out Of Tournament:
Radius
Diablo
Ikaris
Shard

[POWdER-man]

Thank you Blaze a job well done. We will see how the next match will be.

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg


BRACKET #1

Match #3:


Wood God (ANG_HULK) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/woodgod.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Woodgod.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Woodgod.jpg)

vs.

Jean Grey (JH) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jeangrey.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_phoenixIV.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=phoenixIV.jpg)



Match #4:


Amelia Voght bio (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1117)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_voght.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=voght.jpg)


vs.

Ghost Rider - Danny (WOLVERINE) bio (http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-G/GhostRider5.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_ghostrideri.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=ghostrideri.jpg)

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #2,

Match #3:



Dust bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/dust.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_dust.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=dust.jpg)

vs.

Rictor bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/r/rictor.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_rictor.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=rictor.jpg)



Match #4:


Omega Red (WIEGEABO) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/o/omegared.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_omega.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=omega.jpg)



vs.

Mesmero (HARLEKIN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mesmero.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Mesmero.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Mesmero.jpg)

[JewishHobbit]

:D Much cleaner this way than with all the threads of information like before. Good job man.

[Phaedrus45]

:D Much cleaner this way than with all the threads of information like before. Good job man.

lol...I'm learning, I'm learning. I just usually look like this when trying to figure things out...:confused: .

[Phaedrus45]

The location of this weeks fights will be The Savage Land.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

GHOST RIDER VS. AMELIA VOGHT

Ghost Rider is a being born of hell when the demon Zarathos posessed Danny Ketch upon touching a glowing gas cap on a motorcycle. Despite GR's restrictions to only being able to transform at night and when the blood of innocents has been spilled, Amelia's alliance to the mutant terrorist group of Magneto's Acolytes definitely makes her a candidate to call upon the GR's vengeance. Despite Amelia's abilities to teleport herself and other objects as a mist, she has no offensive powers which gives GR an edge. She is also a mutant by birth whereas GR's powers are purely supernatural. All it would take is for GR's chain to be in the right place at the right time to capture Amelia once she materialized and draw her in quickly to suffer the wrath of GR's penance stare before she could even think about teleporting again. Overwhelmed by the guilt of the innocent human lives she was part of taking for Magneto's twisted dream, she would crumble into a heap as an empty human shell while GR rides off into the night for his next act of vengeance.

WINNER: GHOST RIDER

[Da Docta]

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[JewishHobbit]

Jean Grey Vs Woodgod

Okay, the big thing about these two is that woodgod is big on strength whereas Jean is big on mind. To the best of my knowledge Woodgod has never shown any resistence to telepathy though Jean has shown her strength against people with abnormal strength. She's held her own with some of the strongest and most diverse characters in the marvel universe,.. someone with a little extra strength shouldn't proove to be that bad. All she has to do is do some telepathic whammy and he's down without even having to touch her.

Winner: Jean Grey

[wiegeabo]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

Omega's got the advantage in that he can kill Mesmero without having to get too close to him by just using his pheromones. Or he can drain his life by grabbing him with his tenticles. If he can keep from making eye contact with Mesmero, Omega can avoid being controlled. Luckily, Omega's had so much training, he probably doesn't need to use his eyes to hunt and fight Mesmero once he's in range. He can use his tenticles to lash out around him until he makes contact.

Mesmero does have the power to hurt and disrupt those near him without making eye contact. But Omega's used to pain, and he should be able to ignore any disorientation, again using his tenticles to reach out and maintain counter any disorientation.

[JewishHobbit]

Voting May Now Begin

[Phaedrus45]

Winners:

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider - Danny
Dust
Omega Red

[Da Docta]

Jean Grey
Amelia Voght
Dust
Mesmero

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider
Dust
Omega Red

[Harlekin]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

Omega's got the advantage in that he can kill Mesmero without having to get too close to him by just using his pheromones. Or he can drain his life by grabbing him with his tenticles. If he can keep from making eye contact with Mesmero, Omega can avoid being controlled. Luckily, Omega's had so much training, he probably doesn't need to use his eyes to hunt and fight Mesmero once he's in range. He can use his tenticles to lash out around him until he makes contact.

Mesmero does have the power to hurt and disrupt those near him without making eye contact. But Omega's used to pain, and he should be able to ignore any disorientation, again using his tenticles to reach out and maintain counter any disorientation.

You underestimate how easy eye contact is made. It needs only a split second, and BAM! Mesmero has Omega Red under his control. With info on the guy via Weapon-X, I think Mesmero could potentially get the drop on him in the Savage Land, as he also handily blends into the scenery. One moment is all it takes for Omega Red to go down, and Mesmero will have that moment.

Winner=Mesmero

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider
Dust
Mesmero

[POWdER-man]

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider
Dust
Omega Red

[spiderxxman]

MY VOTES:

Jean Grey
Gohst Rider
Dust
Omega Red

[Johnny Blaze]

Some tough picks this round, but...

Jean Grey
Amelia Voght
Dust
Mesmero

Mesmero and Red were the toughest choice of all, but Ketch Vs Voght was hard as well.

[Phaedrus45]

Results so far:

Jean Grey 7-0 over Wood God
Ghost Rider - Danny 5-2 over Amelia Voght
Dust 7-0 over Rictor
Omega Red 4-3 over Mesmero

[Sparta*]

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider
Rictor
Omega Red

[Nightwolf]

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider
Rictor
Mesmero

[JewishHobbit]

My votes go to:

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider (tough one)
Dust
Mesmero (tough one too, I wanted both to win!)

And with that Voting Is Now Closed

Winners:

Jean Grey
Ghost Rider (Ketch)
Dust

Those out of tournament:

Wood God
Amelia Voght
Rictor

Tie:

Omega Red and Mesmero.

Now what to do about a tie? Follow me to the Discussion thread........

[JewishHobbit]

Okay, on the first post of this thread there are two links to each bracket that will be taking place in this thread. They're up to date so check them out.

[Phaedrus45]

Okay, on the first post of this thread there are two links to each bracket that will be taking place in this thread. They're up to date so check them out.

That looks awesome, JH!

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg

BRACKET #1,

Match #5:

Hyperion - Exiles (JH) bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=28111)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_hyperion.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=hyperion.jpg)

vs.

Cardiac (WOLVERINE) bio (http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Cardiac/Cardiac.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_CardiacFlyTone.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=CardiacFlyTone.gif)


Match #6:

Madison Jeffries bio (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=4925)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_madisonjeffries.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=madisonjeffries.jpg)

vs.

Llyron - Fathom 5

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Llyron.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Llyron.jpg)

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #2,

Match #5:

Nico Minoru (JH) bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/sistergrimm.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_sistergrimm.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=sistergrimm.jpg)

vs.

Scorpion (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Scorpion/scorpion.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_ScorpionLogoPic.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=ScorpionLogoPic.gif)


Match #6:

Namor (ICEMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/submariner.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_namor.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=namor.gif)

vs.

Thunderstrike (HARLEKIN) bio (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7589/thndrstk.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_tstrike2.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=tstrike2.jpg)



REMATCH,

Match #4:


Omega Red (WIEGEABO) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/o/omegared.htm)

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Mesmero (HARLEKIN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mesmero.htm)

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[POWdER-man]

NICO MINORU VS SCORPION

Here we have another (somewhat) mutant against one of Spiderman's greatest foes, the Scorpion.

Truly I do know much about this character (Minoru) other than what I have read on her different Bio's from different websites.


INTRO
From what I read , Nico’s body absorbed the staff and this is the source of all her power. However she is EXTREMELY limited by the fact that her staff can only be released if she (Nico) is bleeding, and when she finally does release her staff it’s only good for a few uses before she has to absorb it again to recharge it, AND once she’s cast a spell, she can’t cast it again without something going wrong. As well, when she reabsorbs the staff sometimes it appears very painful for her.

Scorpion on the other hand has Superhuman Strength Class 25, Superhuman speed, agility, stamina, reflexes, and durability. His full-body battlesuit is composed of two layers of light steel mesh separated by a thin layer of insulated rubber. He uses a cybernetically controlled, seven-foot mechanical tail, which can whip at speeds of over 100 feet per second. The tail has a low-density plasma projector and a spike at its tip which can squirt acid. The Scorpion can use his tail as an extra leg, or he can coil it behind him to spring himself a distance of at least 30 feet. Scorpion is able to climb vertical surfaces using the pincer grip powers of his hands. The Scorpion also retains his deductive reasoning from his career as a private investigator.

MATCH
As in incidences with Spiderman, the scorpion would not waste any time and move very quickly. By herself she has virtually no defences so he would go after her with his superhuman speed and agility and basically take her out with one punch, or knock her head off with his tail. Without sustaining an injury to cause her to bleed she would be helpless and be easily taken care of since she has normal human speed, and durability and has no healing factor.

WINNER SCORPION

[POWdER-man]

NICO MINORU VS SCORPION

Scorpion would not have any difficulty with this one, Nico has absolutely no combat, strategic, or arsenal training and even her staff powers does not, by no means, make her a powerful sorcerer. Actually it’s quite the opposite, here are some of the very few spells she has casted in her past:

Smoke (Caused thick black smoke to come out of the Staff of One).
Away (Nico teleported).
Mud (Mud shot out of the end of the Staff of One).
Burst (Cause two spray paint cans to explode).
Rock and Roll (Caused tremor).
Waterproof (Made a bubble that the Runaways could sit inside and travel underwater in).
Float On (Levitated Chase's parents).
Flashback (Saw the past through Future Gert's mind).

ONE BIG thing to think about is that she has a never killed anyone so the thought would probably sickened her and she would hesitate even if she was given the opportunity. She didn’t even kill her ex-boyfriend-vampire(secretly hidden identity), so how would she be capable to kill Gargan in cold blood. As well, her reasoning and emotional state is questionable since she had recently tried to ressurect the very thing she despised, her dead ex-boyfriend.

WINNER SCORPION

[Phaedrus45]

OMG! Did you just admit that you don't read Runaways??!!?? It's got to be the most hyped book on the board. (I guess you can say it puts the "hype" in Superherohype.

[POWdER-man]

I am sorry, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. But no, Runaways were never a consideration of my collection.

[JewishHobbit]

OH Hey!!!! This week's location will be in the Dessert Ruins of Akkaba Egypt,.. the home land of Apocalypse! (basically broken and destroied "cursed",.. steriotypical dessert sand heat, etc.)

[Da Docta]

nice defence by the way, powderman
real nice

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Of all the characters in my arsenal my weakest ones get put up against gods...

HYPERION VS. CARDIAC

Alright, so we know Hyperion is basically Superman on steroids and evil. That means hitting him won't work. Shooting him won't work. So, Cardiac uses a valliant ploy that could either be hit or miss against him. Charging his staff to full power, he lulls Hyperion into getting close enough and grabbing him. Just before fatal pressure could be applied, Cardiac shoves his staff down Hyperion's throat where his glider immediately snatches it up and pulls Hyperion upwards as the staff shocks him from within. The glider releases the staff over a pyramid and lets Hyperion fall on the point. Even if it doesn't penetrate him, the shock to his internal systems should have been sufficient to take the fight out of him for this round.

WINNER: CARDIAC...if you can believe it.

[JewishHobbit]

Nico Vs Scorpion

Granted,.. if it came down to a fist fight Nico would be destroied but she's smarter than that and this is one situation where the 24 hour preptime will come in handy. She will know of Scorpion (as everyone knows who they face) but she will be able to take the preptime to plan. She will know that he is usually rash and jumps into a fight though not always. She will have to be able to think up spells that are good for a quick dodge, confusion, and/or a quick win. She will have all these planned out and ready to say in a moment's need before the match even begins. And summoning the staff of one shouldn't be a problem as she can use a rock, a knife, a thumbnail, or whatever else to cut herself. Or she could just be on her period (as she was in one issue).

Battle
The Battle comes and Nico has a slight advantage in the location,... it is a dessert and there is little room to hide. She has a good chance of seeing or hearing Scorpion on his way. So she appears and Scorpion is around. She is ready with the spells in her head. She isn't one to kill but she doesn't mind being tough. She used a "deconstruct" spell on the Wrecker and he litterally fell to pieces and was stated to rebuild in an hour. So I'm thinking it would take a maximum of 3 spells to take out Scorpion easiest though it can get easier depending on circumstance.

1) She appears and uses a spell I call "Aware" that would give her a type of spidey sense or cosmic awareness so that she can sense where Scorpion is.

2) Then as Scorpion comes near her she'd use a distraction spell I'd call "Multiplicity" where there'd be a legion of fake Nicos around her so that Scorpion would find it difficult to take her out so quickly.

3) Then when Scorpion appears attacking or whatever she'd use a simple final spell I'd call, "Sleep" wich is just that. Scorpion would basically fall asleep.

Uneventful ending I know but Nico isn't one for dramatics,..... she wants the job done. And keep in mind these three spells are the drawn out version. She can easily just do two of them or if she gets the drop on Gorgon she can just use the final one.

Winner - Nico Minoru

[Harlekin]

Namor vs Thunderstrike

I'll be honest with you, Namor is a lot stronger than Thunderstrike, and its doubtful the desert would take its toll in time for his limitations there to matter. Even than, he possesses a minimum strength of 40 tons, which Thunderstrike can stand against.

That'd scenario would apply if Thunderstrike didn't posses a magical hammer capable of controlling the weather. Within minutes, Namor finds himself weak and dehydrated as Thunderstrike lays down the smacketh, brining Namor down.

He may be faster and stronger, but Thunderstrike could keep him busy long enough for that not to apply through his varied use of his hammer.

Winner=Thunderstrike

[Harlekin]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

Let's be honest here, Omega Red outpowers Mesmero in the physical sense. What one must not underestimate though is the power of eyecontact. A simple connection and Omega is under Mesmero's powers. Eyecontact is so easily made, its laughable. About every other fight the X-Men have with Mesmero, half of their ranks are under his control a minute later.

During a simple conversation, walking in opposite directions, etc. etc. eyecontact is a constant in our world, and the same holds true in battle. Omega Red gloats but for a second, and BAM! he loses.

Winner=Mesmero

[JewishHobbit]

Of all the characters in my arsenal my weakest ones get put up against gods...

HYPERION VS. CARDIAC

Alright, so we know Hyperion is basically Superman on steroids and evil. That means hitting him won't work. Shooting him won't work. So, Cardiac uses a valliant ploy that could either be hit or miss against him. Charging his staff to full power, he lulls Hyperion into getting close enough and grabbing him. Just before fatal pressure could be applied, Cardiac shoves his staff down Hyperion's throat where his glider immediately snatches it up and pulls Hyperion upwards as the staff shocks him from within. The glider releases the staff over a pyramid and lets Hyperion fall on the point. Even if it doesn't penetrate him, the shock to his internal systems should have been sufficient to take the fight out of him for this round.

WINNER: CARDIAC...if you can believe it.

Wow,.. creative I'll give you but dude,.... that's stretching :)

Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Cardiac

Hyperion breaks Cardiac's neck while smiling about it.

Winner - Hyperion (Exiles)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, look what you guys give me to work with here! I mean, c'mon...do you let yer pet rabbit pick these matches or what?! If you love that wait till ya see my Deadpool vs. Silver Surfer.

[JewishHobbit]

Well, look what you guys give me to work with here! I mean, c'mon...do you let yer pet rabbit pick these matches or what?! If you love that wait till ya see my Deadpool vs. Silver Surfer.

We didn't hand pick the matches and decide on them. We put everyone's names "in a hat" and drew the matches randomly. Sucks in some occations but it's just the way of the game.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

yeah, that was my next guess. I probably woulda been better off with th' rabbit. :-P

[JewishHobbit]

Hey now,.... I get the impression that ol' Bugs would still pick it oddly just to be caniving

[Johnny Blaze]

Wow,.. creative I'll give you but dude,.... that's stretching :)

Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Cardiac

Hyperion breaks Cardiac's neck while smiling about it.

Winner - Hyperion (Exiles) Yeah, I don't see anyway Cardiac could defeat him; even though that was creative Wolverine. The guy's an evil Superman for Pete's sake. Cardiac wouldn't stand a chance. :o :(

[JewishHobbit]

And I actually do find that kinda sad because I love Cardiac!

[Johnny Blaze]

Not much Cardiac can do though, except bleed on him. :o

It'd be like Booster Gold taking on Ultraman or something. You may like Booster more, but he'd still get his ass handed to him.

[JewishHobbit]

Granted

[Da Docta]

Yeah, I don't see anyway Cardiac could defeat him; even though that was creative Wolverine. The guy's an evil Superman for Pete's sake. Cardiac wouldn't stand a chance. :o :(
i think even more so than superman

[POWdER-man]

Nico Vs Scorpion

Granted,.. if it came down to a fist fight Nico would be destroied but she's smarter than that and this is one situation where the 24 hour preptime will come in handy. She will know of Scorpion (as everyone knows who they face) but she will be able to take the preptime to plan. She will know that he is usually rash and jumps into a fight though not always. She will have to be able to think up spells that are good for a quick dodge, confusion, and/or a quick win. She will have all these planned out and ready to say in a moment's need before the match even begins. And summoning the staff of one shouldn't be a problem as she can use a rock, a knife, a thumbnail, or whatever else to cut herself. Or she could just be on her period (as she was in one issue).

Battle
The Battle comes and Nico has a slight advantage in the location,... it is a dessert and there is little room to hide. She has a good chance of seeing or hearing Scorpion on his way. So she appears and Scorpion is around. She is ready with the spells in her head. She isn't one to kill but she doesn't mind being tough. She used a "deconstruct" spell on the Wrecker and he litterally fell to pieces and was stated to rebuild in an hour. So I'm thinking it would take a maximum of 3 spells to take out Scorpion easiest though it can get easier depending on circumstance.

1) She appears and uses a spell I call "Aware" that would give her a type of spidey sense or cosmic awareness so that she can sense where Scorpion is.

2) Then as Scorpion comes near her she'd use a distraction spell I'd call "Multiplicity" where there'd be a legion of fake Nicos around her so that Scorpion would find it difficult to take her out so quickly.

3) Then when Scorpion appears attacking or whatever she'd use a simple final spell I'd call, "Sleep" wich is just that. Scorpion would basically fall asleep.

Uneventful ending I know but Nico isn't one for dramatics,..... she wants the job done. And keep in mind these three spells are the drawn out version. She can easily just do two of them or if she gets the drop on Gorgon she can just use the final one.

Winner - Nico Minoru


NICO VS SCORPION
I have a slight issue with a few things here.

1. Do you consider that Nico has the ability and technological know how AND resources (ie SHIELD) to do research on Scorpion? She might be able to find out basic information on him from news reports but would it give her the information to gather on his personality, strategy and weaknesses? If you can honestly say yes than I will accept it.

2. These spells (Aware, multiplicity and sleep) have they ever been used by Nico? If not, then would you not be able to conjur up any spell you want towards any opponent to fit that opponents strengths and expose their weaknesses. ie. Using the spell "Slowness" on Quicksilver debilitaing his speed or using "Weak Kitten" on the Hulk and making him a little scared fragile kitten... Although she might, in "theory", pull off these spells in real life, if there is no basis to go by then this would give you the ability to conjur the right spell at the right time through the whole tounament.

Battle

Now that I know the terrain. It's true that there would be no place to hide for the scorpion, but there would also not be any place for Nico to hide. So the time it takes for her to cause herself to bleed and release her magic staff Scorpion would be on top of her within a second if he is in close quarters using his Superhuman speed (which scorpion would normally be with his opponent). If he was not close he would use his tail as a springboard as far as 30 feet and project himself towards Nico. Even if she managed to cut herself and pull out the staff before he got there all he has to shoot out his acid from his tail and burn right through her before she casts any of her spells. Once she is debilitated he would come up closer to finish the job.

You are also forgetting that Scorpion has superhuman reflexes and agility, abilities that Nico probably has never faced. So this would overwhelm her on how fast he would move. Of course Scorpion although crazy would be foolish to just stay there and let her fire away. Scorpion has still kept his detective reasoning, so he would figure out before she attempts to cast a spell on him (that this staff would be her source of power) so he would use his abilities to avoid and dodge her attempts. Hey if he can avoid spiderman's punches and advances than what chance does a human have?

Although the deconstruct spell was used it did not kill the Wrecker. He would just simply come back together once it wears off and she might cast it again and again and again but eventually he will be given his opportunity to kill her. Whether she has her back turned, is asleep, or is taking a bathroom break, he will eventually get her. It's simply inevitable.


WINNER SCORPION

[POWdER-man]

Wow,.. creative I'll give you but dude,.... that's stretching :)

Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Cardiac

Hyperion breaks Cardiac's neck while smiling about it.

Winner - Hyperion (Exiles)

Hmmm although I agree that the pyramid is a stretch. The fact that he stuck his staff inside him, this would be very interesting. Although his outside is tough as nails the inside of him would more than likely be weaker. A severe shock directly to his system might be enough to cause severe internal injuries either to his heart or respiratory system. No matter how tough you are, you are at least ten times weaker on the inside....Still a stretch but an interesting and creative maneuver that should be more considered than forgotten.

[JewishHobbit]

Oh I agree. The staff was creative,... it was the pyramid I was calling a stretch.

[POWdER-man]

Well, look what you guys give me to work with here! I mean, c'mon...do you let yer pet rabbit pick these matches or what?! If you love that wait till ya see my Deadpool vs. Silver Surfer.

At least its your weakest characters and not your big ones. I would be more concerned if my big guys were facing bad a** characters.

[JewishHobbit]

Hoo Hoo! An Opponant!!! Rebuttle time!

NICO VS SCORPION
I have a slight issue with a few things here.

1. Do you consider that Nico has the ability and technological know how AND resources (ie SHIELD) to do research on Scorpion? She might be able to find out basic information on him from news reports but would it give her the information to gather on his personality, strategy and weaknesses? If you can honestly say yes than I will accept it.

I had said before the tournament started that everyone entering a match would know the main basics of their opponant. Nico would know about Scorpion's tale, agility, and furociousness before the match starts same as Scorpion would know about Nico's staff,.. needing to shed blood, etc. So this is fine in my arguement and will probably help yours as well as Scorpion would know to counter this.

2. These spells (Aware, multiplicity and sleep) have they ever been used by Nico? If not, then would you not be able to conjur up any spell you want towards any opponent to fit that opponents strengths and expose their weaknesses. ie. Using the spell "Slowness" on Quicksilver debilitaing his speed or using "Weak Kitten" on the Hulk and making him a little scared fragile kitten... Although she might, in "theory", pull off these spells in real life, if there is no basis to go by then this would give you the ability to conjur the right spell at the right time through the whole tounament.

The thing about the Staff of One is that she can only use each spell once, then it's gone. So I have to come up with new ones because she can't do old ones. And she's successfully done every spell that I can think of save Raising Alex back from the dead and now it looks like that may have worked. Her diversity in her spell casting is one of the reasons why I wanted her so much and had her high on my list. She's basically the answer to any problem :) She would have problems probably if it was a spert of the moment fight but the 24 hour preptime really helps her prepare and do well,.. having the spells in mind already as I did in this match.


Now some rebuttles to your story. The first thing is that Nico only takes a second to get the staff. A realistic estimation of maybe 4 to 5 seconds. Scorpion is definately fast but unless he appears right beside her that's gonna be tough getting to her before she cuts herself. And even if she has other spells planed it only takes a second to see someone coming at you to say "Shield" or "Away" or something like that to deflect the quick attack,... leading back into my previous spells planned winning me the match :)

And You don't have to kill your opponant to win,.. just incompasitate them. Scorpion sleeping or locked in a metal block he can't escape, or whatever, is enough to win the match. Scorpion is a fighter but Nico is very recourceful in what she can do in a match,.. and in many cases it's the resorceful thinkers who will win the match.

Winner - Nico Minoru

[Phaedrus45]

I am sorry, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. But no, Runaways were never a consideration of my collection.

A little bit of both. I think someone said it has 27 threads devoted to it? It always seems to get a bunch of 10/10 in the Bought/Thought threads; I usually give it about an 8/10. I'm not as hyped about it as others.

[Phaedrus45]

Wow,.. creative I'll give you but dude,.... that's stretching :)

Hyperion (Exiles) Vs Cardiac

Hyperion breaks Cardiac's neck while smiling about it.

Winner - Hyperion (Exiles)

Oh, God....that had me laughing so hard. This might be JH's shortest debate!

[Phaedrus45]

Hey now,.... I get the impression that ol' Bugs would still pick it oddly just to be caniving

We need Bugs vs. Daffy! I pick Daffy!!!!

[Phaedrus45]

Hmmm although I agree that the pyramid is a stretch. The fact that he stuck his staff inside him, this would be very interesting. Although his outside is tough as nails the inside of him would more than likely be weaker. A severe shock directly to his system might be enough to cause severe internal injuries either to his heart or respiratory system. No matter how tough you are, you are at least ten times weaker on the inside....Still a stretch but an interesting and creative

The one thing that Cardiac would have in an advantage over Hyperion is that Hyperion always seems to let a lot of his foes get the first hit as he's telling them how doomed they are. It's just, they usually don't get to go for a second.

[wiegeabo]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

Like I said before, Omega Red's a trained super killer with skills that rival a super-soldier's. He wouldn't need to see Mesmero to kill him. He could lash out randomly with his tenticles and, once contact is made, drain his lifeforce.

Just getting near Mesmero will allow Omega to kill him with his pheromones. Mesmero can inflict pain without making eye contact, but Omega is very use to pain and can ignore it.

Omega Red wins

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Eh, I added the pyramid fer effect. I said it didn't penetrate him...just thought it'd be a nice li'l FU move. If my guy was gonna lose (an' he so totally is) I'm gonna get in an FU move.

An' Powder, I'd rather it be my bigger guys 'cause at least then I c'n put up a decent fight in th' numbers.

[JewishHobbit]

We need Bugs vs. Daffy! I pick Daffy!!!!

Are you kidding! Bugs will ALWAYS be one up on Daffy. Bugs rocks!!!! Only the little Grimlin thing gets one up on Bugs! THAT'S IT!!!

Eh, I added the pyramid fer effect. I said it didn't penetrate him...just thought it'd be a nice li'l FU move. If my guy was gonna lose (an' he so totally is) I'm gonna get in an FU move.

Can't blame you there,... always good to get an FU move in there! And because I'm a fan of Cardiac I'm okay with it! Won't vote for ya.... but I'm okay with it.

[POWdER-man]

NICO VS SCORPION



I had said before the tournament started that everyone entering a match would know the main basics of their opponant. Nico would know about Scorpion's tale, agility, and furociousness before the match starts same as Scorpion would know about Nico's staff,.. needing to shed blood, etc. So this is fine in my arguement and will probably help yours as well as Scorpion would know to counter this.

Ok I had to get refreshed on this by looking back. People should take note, this was used against me last time as a defence. As well I used it as a defense.

The thing about the Staff of One is that she can only use each spell once, then it's gone. So I have to come up with new ones because she can't do old ones. And she's successfully done every spell that I can think of save Raising Alex back from the dead and now it looks like that may have worked. Her diversity in her spell casting is one of the reasons why I wanted her so much and had her high on my list. She's basically the answer to any problem :) She would have problems probably if it was a spert of the moment fight but the 24 hour preptime really helps her prepare and do well,.. having the spells in mind already as I did in this match.

Ok but:
I also agree with this. For most people this won't be a problem but for those of you with technical or even Magical geniouses please be cautious. I don't want people just randomly coming up with some power tool at all times that's just right. I know Forge can do some amazing things and people like Reed can do some crazy stuff to,.. but please, lets be reasonable or I may just rule your idea Bullcrap! This goes toward how much you do with your Magic users and such as well. I'm hoping common sense is going to be used in this!!!! Easy way to refrain from this trap... make things that's already been shown made in the comics or just make sure it's a believable feet!!!

Has she ever used any spells directly on herself? To improve her abilities?

Like I said if you or anyone else were given the ability to cast the right spell at the right time every time then we might as well award that person the prize.

I know it's difficult but you can justify this reasoning for each and every match.

i.e. (If Galactus was in the tournament)...I use the spell "Shrink" and Galactus shrinks to the size of a walnut and Nico steps on him. The end.

[-b] WINNER NICO [-b]


Now some rebuttles to your story. The first thing is that Nico only takes a second to get the staff. A realistic estimation of maybe 4 to 5 seconds Scorpion is definately fast but unless he appears right beside her that's gonna be tough getting to her before she cuts herself. And even if she has other spells planed it only takes a second to see someone coming at you to say "Shield" or "Away" or something like that to deflect the quick attack,... leading back into my previous spells planned winning me the match :)

12.1 m/s is the fastest a human being can run that has ever been recorded. Since Scorpion is Super human, I will be conservative and say that he can run only twice as fast which would put us about 24m/second. So imagine within Nico's time of 5 seconds to pull her staff out, scorpion could be as far as 120 metres away.

Scorpion could be far away from Nico but THERE has to be a limit on how far she could cast a spell. Say again we are being conservative and she could cast a spell as far as 100m. Now that is far away, more realistically she could probably only cast as far as 50m or less.

So lets see 100m that would be about 4 seconds for Scorpion to get there. She cast her first spell right away to give her awareness. She now sees Scorpion coming in fast. At about the 50 m mark she casts her second spell because she only has about 2 seconds before Scorpion is on on top of her. This gives her the multiplicity Nico's. This slightly confuses scorpion, however at this time he is directly approaching her in a straight line since she hasn't shown any aggresion towards him. Her last spell she points her staff at him and shoots away. Scorpion is at about the 25m mark at this point and he sees her pointing the staff at him, so he quickly maneuvers and leaps up, Nico sees this but cant not do anything because she has positioned her staff and this spell is wasted on air. He comes down and continues in a straight path. Nico reabsorbs the staff but meanwhile Scorpion has knocked her to the ground since he has continued to run straight. Once he realize which one is the real Nico he picks her up and finishs her.

[OFF topic] This has never been mentioned and it always has bothered me but where do the competitors start from? I mean do they simply walk/run there from where ever they are coming from? Or are they both dropped so much distances away? ie in a battle one on each side of an arena.


And You don't have to kill your opponant to win,.. just incompasitate them. Scorpion sleeping or locked in a metal block he can't escape, or whatever, is enough to win the match. Scorpion is a fighter but Nico is very recourceful in what she can do in a match,.. and in many cases it's the resorceful thinkers who will win the match.

In many cases? (debatable) but certainly not all, you can be a master thinker (which Nico is not) and if you don't the right abilities to take care of it then you will have trouble.

WINNER SCORPION

[POWdER-man]

NICO VS SCORPION

Another manuever Scorpion can use, is to sit and wait for Nico to come to him. He could lay on the ground and let the sand cover him. He could use a simple air tube to keep his breathing. and when she approaches (even with her new awareness, Spiderman is only capable to detect an exact position from a villain, to counter attack, if the villain is attacking him. She might be able to detect that there is a trouble near but she wouldn't be able to pin point an exact location. She would be on her guard and when Scorpion feels that she is close enough he leaps out of sand. This would take her by surprise and he quickly disables her and then finishes her with whatever way he wishes.

WINNER SCORPION

[JewishHobbit]

Nico Minoru Vs Scorpion Debate

Well when I gave that rule about rediculous creations or spells I ment it as in I don't want Forge creating a machine that when facing Magneto turns all metal surounding them into wood. Stuff like that is bogus. Using spells like making someone sleep or to create illusions are simplistic and I don't think breaking that rule at all. Now if I said that she said "Death" and he died or if she said "Comet" and a comet fell from the sky and landed on Scorpion,... that'd be a stretch. But her spells have been simple and all three I used were very simple so I don't think that that broke the rule at all. If others disagree then I encourage them to vote against her,.. but I really don't think it has.

I will say this though,.. I don't think she's ever used a spell that has effected her in any way so if she makes it past this round I will not use spells like that,.. such as making her larger or stronger, etc. So that said I'll take out the "Aware" spell of my story. Being that it's a pretty bare land though I don't think that she even needs it and it doesn't hurt my case in the slightest.


12.1 m/s is the fastest a human being can run that has ever been recorded. Since Scorpion is Super human, I will be conservative and say that he can run only twice as fast which would put us about 24m/second. So imagine within Nico's time of 5 seconds to pull her staff out, scorpion could be as far as 120 metres away.

Scorpion could be far away from Nico but THERE has to be a limit on how far she could cast a spell. Say again we are being conservative and she could cast a spell as far as 100m. Now that is far away, more realistically she could probably only cast as far as 50m or less.

So lets see 100m that would be about 4 seconds for Scorpion to get there. She cast her first spell right away to give her awareness. She now sees Scorpion coming in fast. At about the 50 m mark she casts her second spell because she only has about 2 seconds before Scorpion is on on top of her. This gives her the multiplicity Nico's. This slightly confuses scorpion, however at this time he is directly approaching her in a straight line since she hasn't shown any aggresion towards him. Her last spell she points her staff at him and shoots away. Scorpion is at about the 25m mark at this point and he sees her pointing the staff at him, so he quickly maneuvers and leaps up, Nico sees this but cant not do anything because she has positioned her staff and this spell is wasted on air. He comes down and continues in a straight path. Nico reabsorbs the staff but meanwhile Scorpion has knocked her to the ground since he has continued to run straight. Once he realize which one is the real Nico he picks her up and finishs her

My only problem with all this is that you're assuming she has to actually cut herself and get the staff out. Now we've seen on several occations when she's knowing she's going into battle she'll have the staff out already. If she knows that this match is coming she will be prepared so she will have the staff ready and all it takes then is the amount of time it takes to speak a single word, maybe two. And though she's no strategist like Cap or Cyke she is coming into her own quite well in the second volume of Runaways. Enough to plan a decent strategy at least.

Winner - Nico Muffin

This has never been mentioned and it always has bothered me but where do the competitors start from? I mean do they simply walk/run there from where ever they are coming from? Or are they both dropped so much distances away? ie in a battle one on each side of an arena.

you know I always pictured it as they appear one on each side of the playing field,.. or at least in two differant places... and then they find each other. But being that I've never made an official ruling on this I'll say do as you like. I'll probably make it a rule that you start separate after this week though so everyone knows,.. but it won't apply until next week because that just wouldn't be fair.

[JewishHobbit]

NICO VS SCORPION

Another manuever Scorpion can use, is to sit and wait for Nico to come to him. He could lay on the ground and let the sand cover him. He could use a simple air tube to keep his breathing. and when she approaches (even with her new awareness, Spiderman is only capable to detect an exact position from a villain, to counter attack, if the villain is attacking him. She might be able to detect that there is a trouble near but she wouldn't be able to pin point an exact location. She would be on her guard and when Scorpion feels that she is close enough he leaps out of sand. This would take her by surprise and he quickly disables her and then finishes her with whatever way he wishes.

WINNER SCORPION

Gotta say that I like that one... good job. But my only defense on this is that Scorpion isn't really one to wait is he? (sorry but it's been a while since I've read anything with him in it). I was thinking he's more rash to want to attack with some planning but not enough to patiently wait his prey out. At least in the issues I remember he was kinda rash. I'm specifically thinking of the issue in "Invasion of the Spider Slayers" when the robot invervened and he got annoyed and just attacked it and ended up frying his tail.

[POWdER-man]

Nico Minoru Vs Scorpion Debate



Well when I gave that rule about rediculous creations or spells I ment it as in I don't want Forge creating a machine that when facing Magneto turns all metal surounding them into wood. Stuff like that is bogus. Using spells like making someone sleep or to create illusions are simplistic and I don't think breaking that rule at all. Now if I said that she said "Death" and he died or if she said "Comet" and a comet fell from the sky and landed on Scorpion,... that'd be a stretch. But her spells have been simple and all three I used were very simple so I don't think that that broke the rule at all. If others disagree then I encourage them to vote against her,.. but I really don't think it has.

I will say this though,.. I don't think she's ever used a spell that has effected her in any way so if she makes it past this round I will not use spells like that,.. such as making her larger or stronger, etc. So that said I'll take out the "Aware" spell of my story. Being that it's a pretty bare land though I don't think that she even needs it and it doesn't hurt my case in the slightest.

No problem, I understand I have no real beef towards your spells, but I just want to make sure precidence is set from his point forward. To make others think more closely on what they write down.

My only problem with all this is that you're assuming she has to actually cut herself and get the staff out. Now we've seen on several occations when she's knowing she's going into battle she'll have the staff out already. If she knows that this match is coming she will be prepared so she will have the staff ready and all it takes then is the amount of time it takes to speak a single word, maybe two. And though she's no strategist like Cap or Cyke she is coming into her own quite well in the second volume of Runaways. Enough to plan a decent strategy at least.

Even if she did get the staff out early she could not cast a spell on him if Gargan is not even there. So having it out early does not benefit her much. Although like you said, she could be prepared. But as I said there has to be a limit to how far she could send a spell and it's going to take about 4-5 seconds from 100 m for Gargan to reach her. She will have great difficulty hitting a moving fast target from far distances (especially if she has never dealt with such speed before). So even when she is close to him she would still have to deal with trying to hit a fast moving target with superhuman agility and reflexes. So when Scorpion is that close she has just about one chance to fire a spell off before he reaches her. She just better pray that she hasn't used up all of her spells before reabsorbing. 'Cause when that happens it's over, she will be trying to renergize her staff and meanwhile he has gotten to her and it's over.

WINNER SCORPION

[JewishHobbit]

Nico Minoru Vs Scorpion Debate
Even if she did get the staff out early she could not cast a spell on him if Gargan is not even there. So having it out early does not benefit her much. Although like you said, she could be prepared. But as I said there has to be a limit to how far she could send a spell and it's going to take about 4-5 seconds from 100 m for Gargan to reach her. She will have great difficulty hitting a moving fast target from far distances (especially if she has never dealt with such speed before). So even when she is close to him she would still have to deal with trying to hit a fast moving target with superhuman agility and reflexes. So when Scorpion is that close she has just about one chance to fire a spell off before he reaches her. She just better pray that she hasn't used up all of her spells before reabsorbing. 'Cause when that happens it's over, she will be trying to renergize her staff and meanwhile he has gotten to her and it's over.

WINNER SCORPION

That's if she has to use up enough spells to wear out the staff. All she needs to do is connect with one and it's over. Even if she can't hit him specifically she can deflect his attack though she better get the next one in,.. that I'll agree. So if you're bolting toward me,.. it doesn't take 4 or 5 seconds to say "Wall" or "River" or whatver it takes to block you or slow you down. Then when you slow or stop it gives her a chance to give the "sleep" spell and you're out. She won't just stand there waiting for you,.. even if it is a only a few seconds. She seems to be the sharpest one of the Runaways,.. she's not dumb enough to not defend herself as quickly as she possibly can.... as I said before,.. it only takes as long as it takes her to speak.

Winner - Nico Minoru

[POWdER-man]

Gotta say that I like that one... good job. But my only defense on this is that Scorpion isn't really one to wait is he? (sorry but it's been a while since I've read anything with him in it). I was thinking he's more rash to want to attack with some planning but not enough to patiently wait his prey out. At least in the issues I remember he was kinda rash. I'm specifically thinking of the issue in "Invasion of the Spider Slayers" when the robot invervened and he got annoyed and just attacked it and ended up frying his tail.

Well typically when he is "engaged" and already fighting in a fight he might act rash.

However, there have been many instances where he has waited patiently (the right time to strike), to attack. Since he has already received prep-time and from his reasoning skills as a former detective he would know that Nico can cast pretty well any type of spell. So he might figure this would be the best fighting technique.

She has not battled him yet (so she is not like Spiderman). He knows nothing more about her than what he found out in the prep-time, so he hold no grudge towards Nico. This would almost be a "job" to him. Similiar to Osborn's plan to kidnap Aunt May.

He has waited many times in the shadows to attack JJ and Spiderman. So he would strategically wait for her, as he strategize to attack SHIELD or convince everyone he was insane so to be transferred to lower level security Insane Asylum, or for the right time to break out of prison (the many times).

WINNER SCORPION

I do say JH, you are a good debater. Great Job!!!

[POWdER-man]

That's if she has to use up enough spells to wear out the staff. All she needs to do is connect with one and it's over. Even if she can't hit him specifically she can deflect his attack though she better get the next one in,.. that I'll agree. So if you're bolting toward me,.. it doesn't take 4 or 5 seconds to say "Wall" or "River" or whatver it takes to block you or slow you down. Then when you slow or stop it gives her a chance to give the "sleep" spell and you're out. She won't just stand there waiting for you,.. even if it is a only a few seconds. She seems to be the sharpest one of the Runaways,.. she's not dumb enough to not defend herself as quickly as she possibly can.... as I said before,.. it only takes as long as it takes her to speak.

Winner - Nico Minoru


But that's the real question: Can she "connect"? I am not saying it would take her long to say a spell but when does she start saying the spells? Is she saying them from long distances or in close quarters? If there was a wall that she conjured, then she wouldn't be able to hit him either if he is on the other side. If there was a river than he would reform his attack and she would still have to hit a moving target from a great distance and she has already wasted one spell.

Sorry it's hard to debate without an idea of which spells you are using. I just imagine her using a spell or two to try and slow, debilitate or confuse Scorpion and only one to actually attack. (by what you have been saying)

So if she only has one to actually hit him (to debilitate/knockout) than I just have a hard time believing Scorpion can be hit by her spell if he can avoid Spiderman's techniques but he can't out maneuver her. Especially since she is still young, inexperienced and hasn't shown much highly effective/powerful spells.

WINNER SCORPION

[JewishHobbit]

Hmm,... here's a thought. What if while he's leaping toward her she uses a "Gravity" spell where he'd instantly slam against the ground as if a force hit him in the back. He may role toward her or maybe he hits so hard he just impales into the sand,.. he may be winded. Then all she'd have to do is capitolize, which takes a second and boom... "Sleep" baby!

Nico has Scorpion chops!

[JewishHobbit]

I do say JH, you are a good debater. Great Job!!!

And thanks,.. you're dang good yourself. I was sure there wasn't much Scorpion can do against Nico after her prep time and planned spells but you're making me sweat here. I really have no idea who's gonna win between us. :up:
















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[POWdER-man]

Hmm,... here's a thought. What if while he's leaping toward her she uses a "Gravity" spell where he'd instantly slam against the ground as if a force hit him in the back. He may role toward her or maybe he hits so hard he just impales into the sand,.. he may be winded. Then all she'd have to do is capitolize, which takes a second and boom... "Sleep" baby!

Nico has Scorpion chops!


OK but we are forgetting that scorpion can shoot out acid and a bio Electric Sting as well and it only takes him a second to shoot it. When dodging her first spell he could use his tail to shoot out as far as Nico can cast a spell. So he hits her and kills her, she hits him and he gets knocked down and winded. But comes to and sees Nico dead.

WINNER: SCORPION just laid the SMACKDOWN

[POWdER-man]

And thanks,.. you're dang good yourself. I was sure there wasn't much Scorpion can do against Nico after her prep time and planned spells but you're making me sweat here. I really have no idea who's gonna win between us. :up:


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[POWdER-man]

Nico VS Scorpion

By the way, this is what I imagine what the outcome would look like. (also backs up my claim that Gargan can sit and wait under the sand)

He has waited under the sand for the right opportunity and now without her awareness ability (as JH mentioned he would remove) she is even more vulnerable. She gets close enough, he jumps out of the sand, (the sudden burst takes her by surprise since she had no knowledge he was nearby) and zaps her without her even counter attacking.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/Powderman_22/scorpion.jpg

WINNER SCORPION

[Phaedrus45]

Jeffries vs. LLyron

Man, Llyron and Namor sure have it bad this week stuck in the desert. Still, although I don't have a history of Llyron, I think he's more skilled and stronger than Jeffies. Now, I take it Jeffries will have Box with him, but he's one of those "reluctant mutants." Llyyron goes for the quick kill and takes out Jeffries by avoiding box. The quicker he does it, the better.

Winner - Llyron

[Harlekin]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

Like I said before, Omega Red's a trained super killer with skills that rival a super-soldier's. He wouldn't need to see Mesmero to kill him. He could lash out randomly with his tenticles and, once contact is made, drain his lifeforce.

Just getting near Mesmero will allow Omega to kill him with his pheromones. Mesmero can inflict pain without making eye contact, but Omega is very use to pain and can ignore it.

Omega Red wins
That doesn't mean eye contact won't be made. It's so easy to think that Mesmero shouldn't give the X-Men any trouble, and be a real threat since he needs to make eyecontact. It's just such an easy thing to do.

It all depends on that.

Winner=Mesmero

[JewishHobbit]

OK but we are forgetting that scorpion can shoot out acid and a bio Electric Sting as well and it only takes him a second to shoot it. When dodging her first spell he could use his tail to shoot out as far as Nico can cast a spell. So he hits her and kills her, she hits him and he gets knocked down and winded. But comes to and sees Nico dead.

WINNER: SCORPION just laid the SMACKDOWN

Who says Scorpion can dodge a magic attack? Has he dodged one previously? Not every spell comes from Nico's staff as a lazer or anything like that. He could just hit like an invisible wall and slam down into the dirt,.. tail and all,.. meaning if he sprays he'd burn his own butt. Nico still gets her sleep spell in.

Nico wins burnt scorpion buns!

[POWdER-man]

Who says Scorpion can dodge a magic attack? Has he dodged one previously? Not every spell comes from Nico's staff as a lazer or anything like that. He could just hit like an invisible wall and slam down into the dirt,.. tail and all,.. meaning if he sprays he'd burn his own butt. Nico still gets her sleep spell in.

Nico wins burnt scorpion buns!

One thing before I start, although I agree that he has never had to face a magic attack, I could counter that claim by saying that (I don't believe) she has ever faced someone with superhuman speed, agility and reflexes. This could overwhelm her on how fast he moves and maneuvers. Her spell may not come out as a direct lazer each time but she has to have a limit to her spell powers (distance, height and width). Her spells can not be an infinite power expanding to an unlimited usage. However, her exact limitation would be impossible to determine, you would have to agree that there must be a limitation.


Back to the Match
OK I give you this, with an unlimited ability to create spells it would make her quite invincible. As such, I am not even sure what sequence of spells you are using so I can attempt this counter attack.

So lets try this one, knowing prior to the match that Nico will be using a combination of any spell. He draws up three seperate simple strategies.

1. The hide strategy: (which was explained previously) He would take cover by hiding in the sand, digging a trench or hole and using a basic camouflage tarp to hide his whereabouts. Once Nico explores the terrain, she would be thinking that she would spot Scorpion long before he would approach her. Once she gets close enough all he has to is get the jump on her, this would catch her by surprise since she was not expecting him to be that close and he simply finishes her with either using his tail or just snapping her neck.

2. The Cat and Mouse strategy: Knowing that her sole manner to attack is using her spells, he pretends to do a frontal attack, and soon as she whips out the wand and fires away, he counters by heading the opposite direction and/or away from the attack. This would be extremely useful if she casts the hidden wall spell, because this would have absolutely no effect on him. It might confuse him on what she casted, but that's all. He does this two more times and Nico is left helpless and she needs to reabsorb the staff. Meanwhille scorpion comes back full force (since he knows her weakness from the briefing) and slays her with ease.

3. Sniper Strategy: Although this has been forgotten, deserts are not simply a flat surface. Deserts have dunes, dips and hills throughout the area. Scorpion would use this and scout out a location that would give him a height advantage, cover and protection. He would wait for her to come near enough and shoot a blast with his tail. Scorpion has hit with deadly accuracy in the past and this would not be any different since she is unaware of the impending doom, she does not try to move until it's too late. Even if somehow he misses with his first blast, he would not simply stop there but he would continue on firing away. Any counter attacks by Nico would be blocked by the cover and protection of his hide out. Eventually Scorpion would get her, it would simply be a matter of time.

WINNER SCORPION

[Langoth]

On Omega Red, let me just say this.

Omega Red needs one hit to win. Last time I checked, Mesmero didn't have super endurance, and couldn't take a hit from someone who can press 10 tons, and is coated in the second or third strongest metal ever. Omega Red could literally SPEAR HIM THROUGH THE HEAD WITH A COIL IN UNDER A SECOND.

Coil shoots out, straight through Mesmero at high speeds, as Omega Red ALSO has super human speed. One hit, its over.

[POWdER-man]

On Omega Red, let me just say this.



Psst...I am sure Wiegeabo wouldn't mind you joining in the debate but Owner matches are to be debated between the owners. ie. Wiegeabo and Harlekin

Although good points. You should consider debating the ownerless matches. That way you can still have the fun, and there are as many ownerless matches as there owner matches so you would give more lively debate towards those matches.

[Langoth]

Psst...I am sure Wiegeabo wouldn't mind you joining in the debate but Owner matches are to be debated between the owners. ie. Wiegeabo and Harlekin

Although good points. You should consider debating the ownerless matches. That way you can still have the fun, and there are as many ownerless matches as there owner matches so you would give more lively debate towards those matches.

Eh, sorry. I just hate it when people underestimate Omega Red because he's a lame villain. I've tried to find everything out about the cahracter and powers basically because of the Animated Series, the only time he was actually cool :P

[POWdER-man]

Yeah no problem. It's not a big deal and Omega Red is not the only character out there that is underestimated.

[wiegeabo]

That's why I put Omega on my list. I wanted him because he's basically just a walking death machine. A lot of potential there.

[JewishHobbit]

His first two arcs were great and then after that he just kinda dopped. Too bad,.. I like him too. I was hoping he'd be a big player in the Weapon X series but he ended up just sitting at a table eating :(

[JewishHobbit]

His first two arcs were great and then after that he just kinda dropped. Too bad,.. I like him too. I was hoping he'd be a big player in the Weapon X series but he ended up just sitting at a table eating :(

[POWdER-man]

His first two arcs were great and then after that he just kinda dopped. Too bad,.. I like him too. I was hoping he'd be a big player in the Weapon X series but he ended up just sitting at a table eating :(

LMAO...oh he is such a glutton....Maybe thats his new powers!!! He is trying to become like the blob.

[Langoth]

LMAO...oh he is such a glutton....Maybe thats his new powers!!! He is trying to become like the blob.

He really represents the corrupt, sickly underbelly of the old Soviet Union now. Which is really unfortunate, he used to be so much better...

[Harlekin]

On Omega Red, let me just say this.

Omega Red needs one hit to win. Last time I checked, Mesmero didn't have super endurance, and couldn't take a hit from someone who can press 10 tons, and is coated in the second or third strongest metal ever. Omega Red could literally SPEAR HIM THROUGH THE HEAD WITH A COIL IN UNDER A SECOND.

Coil shoots out, straight through Mesmero at high speeds, as Omega Red ALSO has super human speed. One hit, its over.

Even though you aren't allowed to debate, I'll still respond. Mesmero has routinely stood against the likes of the X-Men, people who are prepared for what he can do, and they still get caught.

I agree that the only chance Mesmero has of winning is a single moment of eyecontact, but really how hard is that to do.

Mesmero=Winner

[Phaedrus45]

Damn, another week and this darn Mesmero vs. Omega Red match-up still isn't any easier.

[wiegeabo]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

The key for Omega's victory is avoiding eye contact. One way to do this is for Omega to scout out a likely place that Mesmero will walk by while hunting Omega and bury himself in the sand. When Mesmero walks by either Omega's phermones rising up from the sand will kill Mesmero, or he will spring the trap, lashing out with his tenticles to grab and drain his opponent.

Omega Red wins

[POWdER-man]

hmpff...you stole my idea....

Let's see if I will vote for you now...:mad:






JK........ It wouldn't effect my decision but it's interesting how you used "one" of my strategy guides....lol

[Phaedrus45]

I was thinking about how each side of a debate could say, "I will hide and wait for ... to walk by and ....." Now, for some characters in some fights, I would think it would be plausable...like Rhino probably wouldn't be so smart to think, or patient enough to wait, for someone to come by while he hid out. I guess this really makes how the characters are introduced into the environment important. If we are "beaming them up" to the location where they will be on different areas of a map, then one can wait. If they will be visible to each other when they get teleported, then the "waiting game" can't happen. If they just get a note saying, "Meet me in the desert, putz!" at specific time, then I guess it could.

[wiegeabo]

You don't have a patent on the idea! :p ...do you :confused:

It's really a classic tactic, though, used by everyone from comic characters to real life snipers (although they'd most likely be wearing a gunney sack as well). And in a desert, it's really the easiest place to hide. Sure you can hide on the "other side" of a dune, but someone may still see you. This way, the only way you're spoted (without telepathy or magic) is when some stumbles upon you. And in this case, that's exactly what Omega would want.

[Harlekin]

Omega Red vs Mesmero

The key for Omega's victory is avoiding eye contact. One way to do this is for Omega to scout out a likely place that Mesmero will walk by while hunting Omega and bury himself in the sand. When Mesmero walks by either Omega's phermones rising up from the sand will kill Mesmero, or he will spring the trap, lashing out with his tenticles to grab and drain his opponent.

Omega Red wins
Which can be quite easily reversed as well. Mesmero isn't stupid. If they both pulled this kind of waiting game, I'd give the edge to Mesmero, since Omega Red has always been shown to be much more battle-happy.

Winner=Mesmero

[POWdER-man]

Sorry...Hide and Seek Strategy Copyright 2005 :(

Now I get to sue you....:p

[POWdER-man]

You don't have a patent on the idea! :p ...do you :confused:

It's really a classic tactic, though, used by everyone from comic characters to real life snipers (although they'd most likely be wearing a gunney sack as well). And in a desert, it's really the easiest place to hide. Sure you can hide on the "other side" of a dune, but someone may still see you. This way, the only way you're spoted (without telepathy or magic) is when some stumbles upon you. And in this case, that's exactly what Omega would want.


It's not as easy to spot someone especially with the glaring heat and light beating down on you. Have you ever seen "Flight of the Phoenix" that's a perfect example of how a dune/hill can conceal your whereabouts.

Another thing not thought of is if it's daytime or nighttime. That could change things drastically

[POWdER-man]

Hmm...I was just thinking about something obscure but what about ideas that are created and used by a person.

Say Wolverine25th came up with a specific and creative (and original) strategy that he worked hard on, should his opponent be able to counter by saying that they would do the same thing (in so many words).

I am not talking about about an avoid and strike tactic, or a full out blown attack, just an interesting idea like his stick his staff half way down his throat and blast away. (Although, I don't think his opponent would bother with his strengths).

[Phaedrus45]

Hmm...I was just thinking about something obscure but what about ideas that are created and used by a person.

Say Wolverine25th came up with a specific and creative (and original) strategy that he worked hard on, should his opponent be able to counter by saying that they would do the same thing (in so many words).

I am not talking about about an avoid and strike tactic, or a full out blown attack, just an interesting idea like his stick his staff half way down his throat and blast away. (Although, I don't think his opponent would bother with his strengths).

Well, the person who comes up with the idea should be able to use it the first time...but, with their next opponent, they'd expect it with their prep-time.

[POWdER-man]

Oh I meant on that actual match itself and not in future matches. But hmm I see your point....I didn't think of future matches.

[wiegeabo]

Just leave it up to the voters. If the voters think that the opponent copying the idea is good and would work better, they should vote for it. If they think it cheap and just copying, then they'll vote against it. It comes down to the person if they want to risk copying the idea and losing votes. As votes and matches are lost due to "cheap" moves, the cheap moves will disappear from future matches (hopefully).

[Phaedrus45]

Considering most of what we say will be stealing anyway (or, borrowing ideas from comics, if we prefer the term), I don't think it will be too much of a problem. (Unless, someone steals the Pyramid idea. Now, the chance of that happening twice would be totally crazy!) Basically, I would say just as some of us have already: Is it in their character to do that?

[Harlekin]

Than I immediately want to come up and say that I am not stealing the idea, just using it against you. What works for Omega can work for Mesmero as well, so they pretty much cancel each other out, even though Mesmero's attempt at the plan has a higher chance of being succesful.

[wiegeabo]

That's fine. Even when using each other's ideas, the fine points can still be debated.

For example, is Mesmero's durability greater than Red's? If not, I'd argue that Omega could stay hidden longer through the blistering day or freezing night and would be the one to take best advantage of staying hidden.


For those not in it, a similar thing has come up in the DTL. The basic thing some of us do, including myself, is to not read our opponents post until after our post is finished. This way, even when similarities appear (which happens frequently), it's no one's fault because the ideas were original when developed. The one rule we have to ensure this is that editing posts is illegal (except for spelling and gramatical mistakes), and changing a battle post is an automatic loss.

[Harlekin]

Mesmero's durability is definitely not greater than Red's, but I think Omega would have trouble staying still and hidden for a long time, considering he has a real battle itch.

[POWdER-man]

Just leave it up to the voters. If the voters think that the opponent copying the idea is good and would work better, they should vote for it. If they think it cheap and just copying, then they'll vote against it. It comes down to the person if they want to risk copying the idea and losing votes.

Yeah that's fine, it makes sense. :up:

As votes and matches are lost due to "cheap" moves, the cheap moves will disappear from future matches (hopefully).

I am confused, are you saying that cheap moves are being currently used? :confused:

[Phaedrus45]

You know, I didn't think about this, but Omega and Mesmero both should know more about each other from the first battle, right? I don't know if it works this way....never got to ask JH...but, I figure you two have fought before, and since it was a draw, you guys are having a second match. The first one doesn't get a "doesn't count," right? So, one of the questions we also have to ask ourselves is which has a better advantage in a re-match? Who learns better from previous matches?

[wiegeabo]

I am confused, are you saying that cheap moves are being currently used? :confused:

Damn, my reply didn't go through. One more try.

No, I don't think any cheap moves have been used, but that's just me. Some players may feel that a move other people are fine with is cheap. And they'll post their disagreement with the move by voting against that character.

Trying to regulate what is cheap would be impossible (partially because voters opinions on what is cheap are different), so the easiest way to determine what is a so-called 'cheap' move is through votes. People who use 'cheap' moves are taking the risk of earning losses by losing votes for the move against earning wins by gaining votes for the move. It's just a chance they'll have to take. But, hopefully, as the tournament progresses, any use of 'cheap' moves will fade away as players learn what voters are willing to accept, forcing the users to develop better strategies, making the tournament better.

Obviously there's no guarantee of any of this, but I think it's a good solution.

[JewishHobbit]

You know, I didn't think about this, but Omega and Mesmero both should know more about each other from the first battle, right? I don't know if it works this way....never got to ask JH...but, I figure you two have fought before, and since it was a draw, you guys are having a second match. The first one doesn't get a "doesn't count," right? So, one of the questions we also have to ask ourselves is which has a better advantage in a re-match? Who learns better from previous matches?

Personally I'm a big fan of continuity so lets say this is round 2 for the characters as well as us,... just for kicks. We'll keep that an ongoing rule. Round two match is for both us and the characters.


And I also agree with what W said about the copying ideas. You can do it if you like but at the risk of votes.

[Midnight Ice]

Namor VS. Thunderstrike

Man, being in a desert is a handicap for Namor, but I don't think that the fight would last long enough for it to matter. (If it lasts too long, Namor would probably dehydrate since this is a desert.)


BATTLE:

First, Namor looks around and says. "What the HELL am I doing in a $#%@&^! desert!?!?!"

Being faster than Thunderstrike, Namor is able to land punch after punch on him. Namor then grabs Thunderstrike by the leg and tosses him into a pyramid, causing some of the stones to fall on him. When Thunderstrike emerges from the rubble, Namor is there waiting for him and punches him in the face, full force, knocking him out.


WINNER: Namor

[Harlekin]

Namor VS. Thunderstrike

Man, being in a desert is a handicap for Namor, but I don't think that the fight would last long enough for it to matter. (If it lasts too long, Namor would probably dehydrate since this is a desert.)


BATTLE:

First, Namor looks around and says. "What the HELL am I doing in a $#%@&^! desert!?!?!"

Being faster than Thunderstrike, Namor is able to land punch after punch on him. Namor then grabs Thunderstrike by the leg and tosses him into a pyramid, causing some of the stones to fall on him. When Thunderstrike emerges from the rubble, Namor is there waiting for him and punches him in the face, full force, knocking him out.


WINNER: Namor

By the time Namor has questioned the location, Thunderstrike is already whipping up storms that sent Namor flying and away from Strike while he is being dehydrated. One smack with the good old hammer and byebye Namor.

Winner=Thunderstrike

[Midnight Ice]

By the time Namor has questioned the location, Thunderstrike is already whipping up storms that sent Namor flying and away from Strike while he is being dehydrated. One smack with the good old hammer and byebye Namor.

Winner=Thunderstrike
haha. i just added that line in to be funny, but...tochae...

[JewishHobbit]

Okay one more........

Nico Minoru picks up large rock and throws it at Scorpion.

Nico Minoru Wins!

Just kidding. I think the match between her and Scorpion has been debated to its full. I think I'll just let the votes carey on who wins,.. and either way powderman it's been a good debate. I hope Nico wins, I know she's capable of it, but if she loses this is the type of match I'd like to lose in. Best of luck to ya.

[POWdER-man]

Okay one more........

Nico Minoru picks up large rock and throws it at Scorpion.

Nico Minoru Wins!

Just kidding. I think the match between her and Scorpion has been debated to its full. I think I'll just let the votes carey on who wins,.. and either way powderman it's been a good debate. I hope Nico wins, I know she's capable of it, but if she loses this is the type of match I'd like to lose in. Best of luck to ya.

BTW Scorpion decides to whip sand in Nico's face, pushes her down and takes her lunch money.

Scorpion wins!

JK. Yeah I have given it a rest. The match will be decided the way it will be decided. It's been an AMAZING debate JH. I hope to go up against you more. As I would agree, I would like Scorpion to continue but this is worth losing to. Good luck and may the force be with you...errr......This ring has been entrusted to you, young master Baggins...(:confused: it's the only quote I could think of right now :().

OFF TOPIC: I always wondered since Gargan (Same as Peter with spiders) was exposed to become and have scorpion abilities, wouldn't that allow him to be more capable to being in a desert? Since a scopion's natural habitat is living in a desert (most but not all I believe). It's too bad it was never shown (that I am aware of) with him in a desert, because in "theory" he should be quite capable of adapting to this location.

[JewishHobbit]

Voting May Now Begin

[Da Docta]

mesmero
thunderstrike
nico
hyperion
lyron

[Phaedrus45]

OK, this first one is too difficult....

Winners:

Scorpion (mainly because I find Nico too inexperienced at this moment in her life.)
Namor
Hyperion
Llyron

BONUS MATCH: Omega Red

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Hyperion
Madion Jeffries
Scorpion
Thunderstrike
Omega Red

[wiegeabo]

Hyperion
Thunderstrike
Nico Minoru
Madison Jeffries

Omega Red

[Midnight Ice]

Nico
Namor
Omega Red
Hyperion (Exiles)
Llyron

[POWdER-man]

Scorpion (Good Match JH!!)
Hyperion
Thuderstrike
Llyron

Bonus
Omega Red (Another Tough decision)

[Da Docta]

edit

[Phaedrus45]

Results so far:

Hyperion 6-0 over Cardiac
Llyron 4-2 over Madison Jeffries
Nico 3-3 tie with Scorpion
Thunderstrike 4-2 over Namor
Omega Red 5-1 over Mesmero

[Nightwolf]

Hyperion (I think a good match would be between Hyperion and my Gladiator)
Llyron
Nico
Thunderstrike
Mesmero

[Sparta*]

Hyperion
Llyron
Scorpion
Namor
Omega Red

[Johnny Blaze]

Hyperion (Exiles)
Madison Jeffries
Nico Minoru
Thunderstrike
Mesmero

[Phaedrus45]

New Results Update:

Hyperion 9-0 over Cardiac
Llyron 6-3 over Madison Jeffries
Nico 5-4 over Scorpion
Thunderstrike 6-3 over Namor
Omega Red 6-3 over Mesmero

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Gee, what a shock.

[Phaedrus45]

Gee, what a shock.

If it makes you feel any better, I have to go up against Magneto next week.

Of course, your one match is almost a flip of the coin match. I figure I won't know who to vote for until I hear all the debating. (Black Cat vs. Domino)

[Phaedrus45]

Damnation! Ok, so next week I have one of my powerhouses, Devos the Devestator, fighting. His bio says:



Powers/Abilities: Devos wields numerous firearms and special devices of alien origins in battle, but chiefly relies upon the devices in his armor. His armor grants him superhuman strength (class 90), flight, a "Luminator" which can blind his opponents, twin blades in his left gauntlet, knock out gas, a gas which can smother out flame, infra-red detectors, an electric shield, miniature missiles, electrical blasts, and sensors. Devos has also commanded various space vessels, held at his Arsenal Planet. The most powerful of these was his Death Cruiser (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/devosff.htm#death).

Also, the Fantastic Four really didn't beat him, but he was forced to try and save himself from his exploding ship, thinking the FF would just die in the explosion. Another time, a portal removed him from combat. SO, his loss record can actual be considered zero, from what I've read.

NOW, who is the LAST person he'd want to face? MAGNETO!!! Yeah, battle armor might as well be a slinky nightie!

[Nightwolf]

If it makes you feel any better, I have to go up against Magneto next week.

Of course, your one match is almost a flip of the coin match. I figure I won't know who to vote for until I hear all the debating. (Black Cat vs. Domino)

Yeah, I think this match will be very interesting.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I feel a little better, but not much until someone has Jubilee (or comparable) go up against Galactus (or comparable) or some crap.

[POWdER-man]

It's not looking good for good old Scorpion. He is down one and JH still has to vote. Maybe if I bribe him with some Pipe Weed, and some mushrooms maybe he will vote for him. :D

[Da Docta]

Lmao

[JewishHobbit]

Damnation! Ok, so next week I have one of my powerhouses, Devos the Devestator, fighting. His bio says:



Powers/Abilities: Devos wields numerous firearms and special devices of alien origins in battle, but chiefly relies upon the devices in his armor. His armor grants him superhuman strength (class 90), flight, a "Luminator" which can blind his opponents, twin blades in his left gauntlet, knock out gas, a gas which can smother out flame, infra-red detectors, an electric shield, miniature missiles, electrical blasts, and sensors. Devos has also commanded various space vessels, held at his Arsenal Planet. The most powerful of these was his Death Cruiser (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/devosff.htm#death).

Also, the Fantastic Four really didn't beat him, but he was forced to try and save himself from his exploding ship, thinking the FF would just die in the explosion. Another time, a portal removed him from combat. SO, his loss record can actual be considered zero, from what I've read.

NOW, who is the LAST person he'd want to face? MAGNETO!!! Yeah, battle armor might as well be a slinky nightie!


Hah! I saw this while making the brackets and shook my head. Of all characters for the awsome character to face,.. it's one that can kill him in a second. Sorry bout the luck pal!

[JewishHobbit]

My votes go to:

Hyperion
Llyron
Nico Minoru
Thunderstrike
Mesmero

Voting Is Now Closed

Winners:

Hyperion
Llyron
Nico Minoru
Omega Red
Thunderstrike

Those Eliminated:

Cardiac
Madison Jeffries
Scorpion (nya nya :p, just kidding)
Mesmero
Namor

[JewishHobbit]

Good match powder! I really didn't think I was going to win this one. I really liked your plan of hiding in the sand,.. it was good. I had to think up some good defenses on that one. Hope we have another match soon!

[POWdER-man]

Oh we will, I am sure of that. Good Match....RIP Scorpion

[wiegeabo]

Great matches Harl. Thought I was going to lose this week because I was an idiot and didn't vote last week, which would have given Red the win, and given you the chance to capitalize.

[Phaedrus45]

Hah! I saw this while making the brackets and shook my head. Of all characters for the awsome character to face,.. it's one that can kill him in a second. Sorry bout the luck pal!

Oh, yeah? Just wait until Hyperion goes up against Beak! or, Monkey Joe.

[Langoth]

Long live Arkady! :D

[Midnight Ice]

My votes go to:

Hyperion
Llyron
Nico Minoru
Thunderstrike
Mesmero

Voting Is Now Closed

Winners:

Hyperion
Llyron
Nico Minoru
Omega Red

Those Eliminated:

Cardiac
Madison Jeffries
Scorpion (nya nya :p, just kidding)
Mesmero
Just to let you know, you didn't include the Thunderstrike/Namor match in the results.


Good match Harlekin! :xmen:

[Harlekin]

A very nice match as well Wieg. I'm actually the idiot that didn't vote this week (Angel Season 5 boxset just arrived in the mail) but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Good luck on any further ventures.

And a good match to Midnight Ice as well, albeit a bit of a late one, you put up a fight.

[JewishHobbit]

Just to let you know, you didn't include the Thunderstrike/Namor match in the results.


Oops,.. thanks. Problem fixed!

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg


BRACKET #1,

Match #7:

Siena Blaze bio (http://www.mutanthigh.com/blaze.html)


http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_blaze.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=blaze.jpg)


vs.

Swordsman I

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Swordsman.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Swordsman.jpg)


Match #8:

Devos The Devestator (PHAED) bio (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/devosff.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_devosff1.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=devosff1.jpg)



vs.

Magneto (ICEMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/magneto.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Magneto.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Magneto.jpg)

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #2,

Match #7:

High Evolutionary (PHAED) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/highevolutionary.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_High-Evolutionary.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=High-Evolutionary.jpg)

vs.

Prodigy - Academy X bio (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com/avatars/13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com)

[/url]
[url="http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=13.jpg"]http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_13.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Prodigy.gif)

Match #8:

Scarlet Spider (SPIDERMAN) bio (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/ben_reilly.html)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_spider14_.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=spider14_.jpg)

vs.

Mystique (ICEMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mystique.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Mystique.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Mystique.jpg)

[Johnny Blaze]

Minor mistake, but it's Siena Blaze, not Sonia Blaze. :up:

[JewishHobbit]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com/avatars/13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com

This is the Prodigy that is a member of Academy X. The Prodigy that you have listed is coming up later in the tournament.

And location this week is in the Avengers Mansion (before it was destroied.) And I give free reign to use anything that would be laying around therein (not computer files or anything that would take specific avenger skills or passwords or anything like that,... but I mean anything but basic stuff that the avengers would leave lieing around that you could pick up.

[deathshead2]

Hey you have a pic of the prodigy that I own?So do I still own the one from the slingers?

[Phaedrus45]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com/avatars/13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com

This is the Prodigy that is a member of Academy X. The Prodigy that you have listed is coming up later in the tournament.

And location this week is in the Avengers Mansion (before it was destroied.) And I give free reign to use anything that would be laying around therein (not computer files or anything that would take specific avenger skills or passwords or anything like that,... but I mean anything but basic stuff that the avengers would leave lieing around that you could pick up.

Thanks, JH. When I get back home later, I'll fix it. Hmmmm...avengers mansion. Trying to think if anything will help me with Devos.

[Nightwing.]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com/avatars/13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mutantprodigy.tripod.com

This is the Prodigy that is a member of Academy X. The Prodigy that you have listed is coming up later in the tournament.

And location this week is in the Avengers Mansion (before it was destroied.) And I give free reign to use anything that would be laying around therein (not computer files or anything that would take specific avenger skills or passwords or anything like that,... but I mean anything but basic stuff that the avengers would leave lieing around that you could pick up.

what defenses does the avengers mansion have?

[JewishHobbit]

To tell you the truth I'm not sure as I've read very little Avengers. Maybe a more longterm fan can answer that one. But for now I'd say just go with none until he hear otherwise.

[JewishHobbit]

Now for some ownerless debating. Free for anyone to pick up on:

Siena Blaze Vs Swordsman

For those of you not familiar with the X-World Siena Blaze is a force to be reconned with. She draws her power directly from the EM field and basically can destroy whatever she hits. She's also very ruthless and has no qualms with killing. She nearly killed Xavier, Cyclops, and Storm on her first time out and that's not easy to do single handedly. Swordsman may know Avengers Mansion and that may give him some help but Sienna wouldn't care to do property damage and would just blow up whatever part of the house is in front of her until she got her target. In the end Swordman will go down.

Winner - Sienna Blaze

[Da Docta]

hey uh does anyone here know what issue had the battle between mags and doom?

[JewishHobbit]

Hmm,.. I know they had a fight in Super Villain Team-Up issue 14 that crossed over into Champions 16.... but other than that I can't recall a specific fight between the two. Did they ever go at it in the Secret Wars?

[Midnight Ice]

EDIT

[Phaedrus45]

High Evolutionary vs. Prodigy-Academy X:

As said about the High Evolutionary: "The High Evolutionary possesses a highly evolved brain which has been heightened to the limit of human potential. The High Evolutionary has committed to memory all the written knowledge known to man. His vast intuitive capacity makes him one of the most brilliant theoreticians on Earth. The High Evolutionary possesses vast psionic powers enabling him to rearrange matter, among other feats. The extent of his psionic powers is unknown." With all his knowledge, I believe HE would be able to easily find a way to not allow Prodigy to swipe his knowledge. Also, with his psionic powers and being able to rearrange matter, Prodigy wouldn't last for very long at all. Prodigy is also very afraid of how powerful he could become right now...and is still very inexperienced. Those factors don't make him anywhere near as terrifying as HE is.

Winner: High Evolutionary

[Phaedrus45]

Magneto vs. Devos:

Well, this would be a tough fight, but there are two things going for me. 1) Magneto has only a rudimentary knowledge of hand-to-hand combat. and 2) My character has never been beaten. He has been forced to flee a ship that was going to be destroyed, all the while thinking it would take out the Fantastic Four and he was teleported out of combat, not having a chance to compete.

What I have going against me is my armor. So, I would totally remove all metallic objects that Magneto could control. Everything would be non-metallic, and I would rely on hand to hand combat. Devos has been trained in all forms of combat at a very young age, and is considered one of the best. Plus, since he is from various solar systems, not every planet would rely on metallic weapons. There would be a vast array of materials at Devos' command.

While on paper, it would seem this is a simple match, it really isn't.

Winner: Devos!

[Midnight Ice]

Magneto VS Devos

If Devos has his armor on, then it would be a simple match. Just crshes the armor with Devos in it, with Mag's power. However, if Devos removes the armor because he is indeed fighting Magneto, he would only be delaying his fate.
First of all, the Avenger's Mansion has thousands of pounds of metal in the frame of the buiding itself. All that metal can be used against Devos. Not to mention any metal weapons the Avengers have stored in the estate or hidden throughout the grounds. While Devos may have some non-metal weapons, Magneto's force field can deflect them.
With the metals that the mansion is built with, any metal Jets on the premises, or even the metal fence surrounding the mansioin can easily be used against Devos. Magneto can choose to warp the metal around Devos, not letting him breath to knock him unconsious, or he can simple impale Devos on any of the metal avialable.

WINNER: Magneto

[Phaedrus45]

Magneto vs. Devos:

While it is true that Avenger's Mansion will be filled with metallic objects, Devos wouldn't be so lame as to make himself an easy target for Magneto. While many might think it a hinderance, it would actually be beneficial, because Magneto wouldn't be able to fight as well when walls and rooms make for quick attacks and quick fleeing if necessary. And, a force field is nice, but eventually if Magneto attacks, the field would have to come down. Basically, Devos has been trained for these kind of attacks....in the field, and especially with using buildings to your advantage. Magneto is more of a "I've got a bomb and I'm not afraid to use it" kind of guy.

Winner: Devos

[WOLVERINE25TH]

We are not men, we are Devos!

[Midnight Ice]

Magneto VS Devos:

Magneto does not even need to drop his force field to attack Devos. He can use any metallic object as a weapon while maintaining the force field. If it comes down to it, Magneto can just colapse the entire mansion down onto Devos.

WINNER: Magneto

[Midnight Ice]

Scarlet Spider VS Mystique:

First of all, while they both have fast reflexes, I would say that it woudl be hard to for Mystique to get around his spider-sense. But, being in the Avenger's Mansion would help Mystique, not hinder her. She could easily enter in the shape of an Avenger, sure his spider sense would be going off, but he wouldn't expect an Avenger to do him harm. Mystique would be able to fool Scarlet Spider long enough to kock him out.

WINNER: Mystique

[Phaedrus45]

Magneto vs. Devos:

The last place Devos would hide out would be on the top floors. More than likely, he'd be below, where Magneto would be ineffective in toppling the entire Mansion on him. And, if Maggie did destroy the mansion, he still hadn't won a fight, he'd just make it so he cannot get to Devos, making the game a draw.

As said, Devos has the following devices that can be made into weapons to use, and it doesn't have to be fit into his armor: a "Luminator" which can blind his opponents, twin blades in his left gauntlet, knock out gas, a gas which can smother out flame, infra-red detectors, an electric shield, miniature missiles, electrical blasts, and sensors.

Devos would easily set up traps for Maggie. First, he'd use his Luminator on him, then using his knock out gas take out Mags. Infra-red detectors will easily let him know when Mags is coming, too. An arsenal could be available for Devos, and he wouldn't keep them on him. Like a Predator, he'd have his traps set and planned out.

[JewishHobbit]

Sorry for the lateness guys,.. had to work over at work

VOTING MAY NOW BEGIN

[Midnight Ice]

Siena Blaze
High Evolutionary
Mystique
Magneto

[POWdER-man]

Siena Blaze
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider
Magneto (tough matchup but have to give it magneto, he has faced the x-men all by himself many times)

[deathshead2]

Siena Blaze
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider
Magneto

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider

[Phaedrus45]

Siena Blaze
Devos (1 vote...bunch more to go!!!)
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider (This was a tough one, but since other characters aren't allowed to interact in matches, her changing into an Avenger didn't seem like it would fit into the matches. Plus, even if they were, Spidey's been around the block enough times.)

[wiegeabo]

Magneto
Scarlet Spider
High Evolutionary
Siena Blaze

[Johnny Blaze]

Siena Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider

[Nightwolf]

Siena Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider

[Phaedrus45]

Results so far:

Siena Blaze 8-0 over Swordsman I
Magneto 7-1 over Devos
High Evolutionary 8-0 over Prodigy
Scarlet Spider 7-1 over Mystique

[Sparta*]

Siena Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Mystique

[Harlekin]

Siena Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider

[Da Docta]

Siena Blaze
Magneto
High Evolutionary
Mystique

[JewishHobbit]

My votes go to:

Siena Blaze
Magneto
Hight Evolutionary
Scarlet Spider

Voting Is Now Closed

Winners are -

Scarlet Spider
High Evolutionary
Siena Blaze
Magneto

Those out of tournament:

Swordman II
Devos
Mystique
Prodigy (Academy X)

[Phaedrus45]

Thank God that High Evolutionary isn't going up against Magneto next round. That would have peeved me to no end.

[Midnight Ice]

Great match Phaedrus! :xmen:

[Johnny Blaze]

Thank God that High Evolutionary isn't going up against Magneto next round. That would have peeved me to no end.
Yeah, but the Evolutionary is an uber genius. With 24 hours to prepare for the match, he'd easily be able to prevent Magneto from manipulating his armor.

[Phaedrus45]

Great match Phaedrus! :xmen:

Yeah, you too, buddy. The funny thing is when I was writing down who I was picking to win, I first typed out Magneto, then thought, "WAIT! I can't do that!!!!"

[POWdER-man]

Well you can certainly do that when you are against me :D

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg


BRACKET #1,

Match #9:

Charles Xavier (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/professorx.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_profx.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=profx.jpg)

vs.

Ronan The Accuser (BLAZE) bio (http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/RonanTheAccuser.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_Ronan-the-Accuser.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=Ronan-the-Accuser.jpg)


Match #10:

Human Torch - Tara (DWARFLORD)

vs.

Zaran The Weapons Master bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/z/zaran.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_zaran.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=zaran.gif)

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET #2,

Match #9:


Radioactive Man (PHAED) bio (http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/RadioactiveMan.htm)

http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/th_RadioactiveMan.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/?action=view&current=RadioactiveMan.jpg)

vs.

Tri-Sentinel (WOLVERINE) bio (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/tri_sentinel.html)

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Match #10:

Doppleganger bio (http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Doppleganger/doppleganger.htm)

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vs.

Scott Lang (SPIDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/a/antmanii.htm)

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[Phaedrus45]

All finished. If anyone has any information on Tara, the Human Torch, plus submit it. Thanks

Phaed

[Phaedrus45]

Just a reminder that this contest takes place aboard the S.H.I.E.L.D. helecarrier while it's inflight. All factors that go into it's being inflight will be observed, i.e. people to fly it and being many miles over land.

Enjoy the friendly skies!

[JewishHobbit]

Well, I dont' have any bios or anything at the moment and have no time to look as I'm about to get off of here but she's from the comic "New Invaders" that just ended and she's basically an android human torch like Jim Hammond and the other old one from back in WWII (but she's new). Basically she's a girl with little emtion, cares nothing about being nude all the time, and flies and does the same stuff as all the other normal human torches.

[Phaedrus45]

Well, I dont' have any bios or anything at the moment and have no time to look as I'm about to get off of here but she's from the comic "New Invaders" that just ended and she's basically an android human torch like Jim Hammond and the other old one from back in WWII (but she's new). Basically she's a girl with little emtion, cares nothing about being nude all the time, and flies and does the same stuff as all the other normal human torches.

If I remember right, too, in the last issue, didn't she go really ballistic?

[Johnny Blaze]

Charles Xavier (POWDERMAN) bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/professorx.htm)

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vs.

Ronan The Accuser (BLAZE) bio (http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/RonanTheAccuser.htm)

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With his telepathy uneffective, or at the very least severely weakened by the advanced Kree technology, Ronan would make short work of Xavier. The Accusor has high level super-human physical attributes and weilds a cosmic rod that can fire powerful blasts of energy and preform low level transmutation feats. It also allows him to summon up a potent force field as well as allow him to fly.
Ronan is a beast in combat, able to go toe to toe with the best of them; he once defeated and killed the Silver Surfer imposter, Bartak, who had vaste energy power on the level of the Silver Surfer.
If there was no preptime, Xavier could more than likely take Ronan out telepathically before he could muster an offensive. But, since each character is given time to prepare for the coming match, Ronan would whoop Xavier's ass pretty easily. :o

[JewishHobbit]

If I remember right, too, in the last issue, didn't she go really ballistic?

Yes, we learned that the Red Skull had a hand in creating her and used her as a type of time bomb,.. but I think she got better afterwords when Jim Hammond sacreficed himself. Or maybe she died too. I don't quite recall. I remember loving the series but I sold it so I can't go back to check (I do plan on getting the tpb eventually though)

[POWdER-man]

Charles Xavier is arguably the greatest telepath on Marvel's Earth, but with preptime, and being a high ranking figure in the Kree Empire, Ronan would have access to all kinds of mental blockers and the like; the Supreme Intelligence is a massively powerful telepath, and the Kree are wary of it, so Ronan, being a politician and high level enforcer for the Kree would probably have his own personal blockers laying around. If not, he could very easily get his hands on some. :up:

With his telepathy uneffective, or at the very least severely weakened by the advanced Kree technology, Ronan would make short work of Xavier. The Accusor has high level super-human physical attributes and weilds a cosmic rod that can fire powerful blasts of energy and preform low level transmutation feats. It also allows him to summon up a potent force field as well as allow him to fly.
Ronan is a beast in combat, able to go toe to toe with the best of them; he once defeated and killed the Silver Surfer imposter, Bartak, who had vaste energy power on the level of the Silver Surfer.
If there was no preptime, Xavier could more than likely take Ronan out telepathically before he could muster an offensive. But, since each character is given time to prepare for the coming match, Ronan would whoop Xavier's ass pretty easily. :o

CHARLES XAVIER (aka: Professor X) vs ronan
Well I must admit that this is a tough match. Probably why I left to the end of my debates to argue.

Although Ronan the Accuser is EXTREMELY powerful, he has virtually no
defense against a mental attack. So he depends heavily on that mental blocker.

Prep-Time:

Professor X would go down to Cerebro in the x-mansion and use it’s powers to strengthen his and locate Ronan. With the given information of where he would be lhis base he would simply go quickly to that direction, he would then read his mind and find out his gameplan and strategy. No matter what, he knows that he will be using a mental blocker of some kind.

Match:

With the Hellecarrier, there are hundreds if not thousands of rooms and locations to hide, so finding Charles will be difficult and time consuming. As well, with that powerful rod it would be impossible for him to use it inside the Hellecarrier because it would immediately damage the plane causing it to crash killing both Ronan and Charles, ending in a draw. The other problem is that it's very close quarters so any use of it might cause a collapse of the area or debris and shrapnel to fly back at him.

Charles could also bring Cerebro with him and attach it to the many electronic resources available in the plane. If he could not connect it himself he would simply take control of one of the many pilots to do it for him or read their minds and learn how to do it himself. This would amplify his powers by tenfold and even if there is small amount of telepathy that could control Ronan it would still be control and all he has to do is to tell him to turn off or take off his mental blocker. Once that happens it's over and Charles just has to hit him with a "mental bolt" and Ronan is unconscious or he could put him into physical or mental paralysis.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER

[POWdER-man]

CHARLES XAVIER vs Ronan

This location is perfect for Professor X.

Charles would just camp out in a hidden location not visible by Ronan. Charles would then secure his hovercraft and make sure that it will not budge. He then quickly takes control of the pilots of the Hellecarrier and gets them to start tossing around the aircraft in all sorts of directions. Ronan, in his search for Charles, is caught by surprise and is thrown around and up in the air hitting walls and the ground. Ronan is in serious disorientation and in the midst of this plan of Charles', Ronan's Mental Blocker is either damaged, dropped or has fallen off. The second that happens Charles just simply uses his mental attack and Ronan is done.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER

[POWdER-man]

CHARLES XAVIER (aka: Professor X) vs Ronan

Another scenario that would work for Charles is that again he would take control of the pilots and cause the disturbance of the flight path catching Ronan by surprise and then opening all of the back hangers and doors and go in an immediate ascent causing everything to fall backwords. Ronan will be thrown around and out one of the openings.

Ronan will quickly recover once he is outside and with his flight ability he stops from falling. Charles quickly gets one of the crew to use the powerful Vortex beam (which can transport anyone or thing of varying size aboard the ship) to transport the mental blocker off of Ronan. Then without it, Ronan is helpless and Charles takes control of him.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER

[Phaedrus45]

Radioactive Man vs. Tri-Sentinel


One of the more difficult matches for my character, Radioactive Man. In prepping for this match, there will be certain powers of RM that won't affect the Tri-Sentinel:
Light-flash of Amazing intensity to temporarily blind opponents, range 1 area

Controlled light-effect that allows him to Hypnotize a target at Remarkable rank, range of 1 area.

But, Radioactive Man would use:

CL1000 Invulnerability to radiation

Radiation/Heat Bolts (Energy attack) of Amazing power and range

Force-Field of Monstrous protection against physical and energy attacks.

At the start of the battle, I'm positive that the Tri-Sentinel probably would attempt to take out the Helecarrier. There is not much a battle that they could do besides on top. Radioactive Man would make sure the crew knows about the up-coming attack, and have it fully armed. (Obviously, the crew would want to save their own lives!) The battle would happen on top of the carrier, and using Radiation and Heat Bolts, Radioactive Man would simply direct his assault to the container holding the Vibramium, which when open would totally incapacitate the Tri-Sentinel. With his force-field, Radioactive man would be safe from the Sentinels attacks, since they'd be energy-based attacks. The Radiation and Heat bolts alone...with it's wide range, would also effect the Tri-Sentinels mechanics.

Winner: Radioactive Man!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

TRI-SENTINEL VS. RADIOACTIVE MAN

The Tri-Sentinel was created by Loki with the sole function of tracking and destroying a nuclear power plant. Guess what? Radioactive Man just happens to be a living one. Now, unfortunately, since the Vibranium was installed after the fact by the Life Foundation and it's highly doubtful they published their modifications on the web, RM's got no clue about it nor any reason he should be targeting it. RM would attempt to use his various types of radioactive blasts to severely cripple or destroy the Sentinel, but with its quick repair capabilities, shielding both internal and external, and the fact it's enhanced by magic, that could be a futile endeavor. Tack on that the Sentinel can fly and easily attack from another front on the mid-air battle ground or destroy the Hellicarrier with little trouble cause it and RM to plummet to the ground and a grisly death below. Above all, Sentinels are designed to terminate with extreme lethality, and as soon as its various sensors and scanning devices determine the extend of RM's powers, it could recalibrate its weapon systems accordingly and open fire...six times high!

Now, if SHIELD is allowed to interfere with this fight (which seems really cruddy if they can) RM becomes a secondary threat and the Hellicarrier the primary, since they have anti-Sentinel weapons on hand. Determining the power source all it would take is one full powered blast to sever the core, destroy it, and cause the carrier and RM to fall. Granted, the Sentinel would take some heavy damage in the firefight to ensue, but the best thing about a machine is it doesn't know when to quit.

WINNER: TRI-SENTINEL

[POWdER-man]

Actually, each opponent is given a sypnosis about each character which would include their weaknesses. So I think because of that RM would at least know about the Vibranium. Whether or not he could get to it and destroy it or not is another question.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

........

Well, that's retarded. T'hell kinda challenge is that if you get a full list o' yer opponent's weaknesses an' crap?

[Johnny Blaze]

CHARLES XAVIER (aka: Professor X) vs ronan
Well I must admit that this is a tough match. Probably why I left to the end of my debates to argue.

Although Ronan the Accuser is EXTREMELY powerful, he has virtually no
defense against a mental attack. So he depends heavily on that mental blocker.

Prep-Time:

Professor X would go down to Cerebro in the x-mansion and use it’s powers to strengthen his and locate Ronan. With the given information of where he would be lhis base he would simply go quickly to that direction, he would then read his mind and find out his gameplan and strategy. No matter what, he knows that he will be using a mental blocker of some kind.

Match:

With the Hellecarrier, there are hundreds if not thousands of rooms and locations to hide, so finding Charles will be difficult and time consuming. As well, with that powerful rod it would be impossible for him to use it inside the Hellecarrier because it would immediately damage the plane causing it to crash killing both Ronan and Charles, ending in a draw. The other problem is that it's very close quarters so any use of it might cause a collapse of the area or debris and shrapnel to fly back at him.

Charles could also bring Cerebro with him and attach it to the many electronic resources available in the plane. If he could not connect it himself he would simply take control of one of the many pilots to do it for him or read their minds and learn how to do it himself. This would amplify his powers by tenfold and even if there is small amount of telepathy that could control Ronan it would still be control and all he has to do is to tell him to turn off or take off his mental blocker. Once that happens it's over and Charles just has to hit him with a "mental bolt" and Ronan is unconscious or he could put him into physical or mental paralysis.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER
A few things...

1) Cerebro would only allow access for Xavier to scan the planet Earth. THere is no chance at all that Ronan would spend his preptime on that mud ball. He'd be in the Kree Empire billions of miles away. No way in hell Xavier would be able to read his mind and see his strategies.
Besides, that's pretty lame anyways, and I'm pretty sure spying on an opponent during preptime is a big "no, no" (since Hobbit is basing this off the DTL).

2) Ronan wouldn't care one bit about crashing the helicarrier, or about any shrapnel. The guy's a beast who can take shots from the Silver Surfer for God's sake. What the hell is shrapnel going to do to him? Or crashing into the Earth? Not to mention his Cosmic Rod allows him to fly. He could send the carrier crashing and simply fly away.

CHARLES XAVIER vs Ronan

This location is perfect for Professor X.

Charles would just camp out in a hidden location not visible by Ronan. Charles would then secure his hovercraft and make sure that it will not budge. He then quickly takes control of the pilots of the Hellecarrier and gets them to start tossing around the aircraft in all sorts of directions. Ronan, in his search for Charles, is caught by surprise and is thrown around and up in the air hitting walls and the ground. Ronan is in serious disorientation and in the midst of this plan of Charles', Ronan's Mental Blocker is either damaged, dropped or has fallen off. The second that happens Charles just simply uses his mental attack and Ronan is done.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER So, the man who can go toe-to-toe with cosmic bricks is going to get disoriented from getting tossed around the helicarier? :rolleyes:
He is extremely intelligent, and can transmute matter with his Cosmic Rod. He'd easily be able to keep himself from being bounces around and possibly losing the blocker.
And who's to say the blocker is a device worn on the head? The Kree are a race far more advanced than Earthlings, so it would be safe to assume that it would be a small device. And, with Ronan being a high ranking politician and commander in the Kree Empire, it's also safe to assume that he would have his own, personal mental blocker to keep the Supreme Intelligence from reading his mind. Hell, more than likely, his blocker is a part of his highly advanced armor.

CHARLES XAVIER (aka: Professor X) vs Ronan

Another scenario that would work for Charles is that again he would take control of the pilots and cause the disturbance of the flight path catching Ronan by surprise and then opening all of the back hangers and doors and go in an immediate ascent causing everything to fall backwords. Ronan will be thrown around and out one of the openings.

Ronan will quickly recover once he is outside and with his flight ability he stops from falling. Charles quickly gets one of the crew to use the powerful Vortex beam (which can transport anyone or thing of varying size aboard the ship) to transport the mental blocker off of Ronan. Then without it, Ronan is helpless and Charles takes control of him.

WINNER CHARLES XAVIER So, how is Chuckles going to know where the blocker is to beam it off of him? That's stretching quite a bit, don't you think? :o
I'm glad you finally had Ronan use his flight at least, since he seemed to forget about it, as well as his other powers, in the other scenarios you presented. :up:

With no preptime, I can see Chuck taking Ronan down, since it's debatable whether or not he'd have any mental protection with him. But, with a day to prepare for the fight, Ronan would take Xavier.

Actually, each opponent is given a sypnosis about each character which would include their weaknesses. So I think because of that RM would at least know about the Vibranium. Whether or not he could get to it and destroy it or not is another question. I have to agree with Wolverine; that is pretty retarded. The characters should know the names of their opponents and that's it. Part of the preptime is researching your opponents after all and trying to figure out their weaknesses.
If you're told about all their abilities and weaknesses before the preptime, then you all are royally ****ed when you fight people like Thanos, Doom, and Kang. :o

[POWdER-man]

All I have to say is...WOW I think you should tone down your hostility and attitude. :o

You seemed to be emmiting a lot of hostility from your words and I would appreciate that you not belittle my strategy as I will defend them later when I have the opportunity...:o

[POWdER-man]

A few things...

1) Cerebro would only allow access for Xavier to scan the planet Earth. THere is no chance at all that Ronan would spend his preptime on that mud ball. He'd be in the Kree Empire billions of miles away. No way in hell Xavier would be able to read his mind and see his strategies.
Besides, that's pretty lame anyways, and I'm pretty sure spying on an opponent during preptime is a big "no, no" (since Hobbit is basing this off the DTL).

That is true that Ronan would more than likely be off the planet for most of the prep-time but he would have to grace earth by his presence at some point prior to the match to ensure he is there "on time". Although I agree that spying would not be best course of action taken, it would be in Xavier's character to study and know his opponent even if it were to simply understand them. Even though knowing his gameplan and strategy would be useless for Charles since he would just have to follow his.

2) Ronan wouldn't care one bit about crashing the helicarrier, or about any shrapnel. The guy's a beast who can take shots from the Silver Surfer for God's sake. What the hell is shrapnel going to do to him? Or crashing into the Earth? Not to mention his Cosmic Rod allows him to fly. He could send the carrier crashing and simply fly away.

Ah but you are forgetting or just simply not aware that the Hellecarrier contains some powerful arsenal including but not limited to an Atomic Warhead and some state of the art military equipment. If this were in an open area he may merely be blown off his feet, however in a contained area this could proove deadly for even him. The combination of these explosions could be instant not leaving him an opportunity to escape. So if he simply goes in and unleashes his power this match would end very quickly with both participants and all of the crew dead.



So, the man who can go toe-to-toe with cosmic bricks is going to get disoriented from getting tossed around the helicarier? :rolleyes:
He is extremely intelligent, and can transmute matter with his Cosmic Rod. He'd easily be able to keep himself from being bounces around and possibly losing the blocker.
And who's to say the blocker is a device worn on the head? The Kree are a race far more advanced than Earthlings, so it would be safe to assume that it would be a small device. And, with Ronan being a high ranking politician and commander in the Kree Empire, it's also safe to assume that he would have his own, personal mental blocker to keep the Supreme Intelligence from reading his mind. Hell, more than likely, his blocker is a part of his highly advanced armor.

BTW There is no mention in my debates that it was something worn on his head. I left it open minded to whatever it could be.

He might be able to go toe to toe with some of the most powerful beings but a "sudden" drop or movement can catch him off guard and knock him off balance. It only takes a second for him to lose his balance. He could regroup after a few seconds, so he would probably not be disorientated for very long but it only takes a second for the "small device" (by your admittance) to jar loose from such a "big" guy. As well, it doesn't even have to come loose, it could be simply crushed by the weight of Ronan in those few seconds of tumbling. Once that happens he is left open and Xavier would have him.
If it were a part of his armour wouldn't it be something that is already currently being used as a defense aaginst the Supreme Intelligence and therefore listed as part of a defense/characteristic of his armour. No it's not, so it would more that likely be an outside source for this blocker.


So, how is Chuckles going to know where the blocker is to beam it off of him? That's stretching quite a bit, don't you think? :o
I'm glad you finally had Ronan use his flight at least, since he seemed to forget about it, as well as his other powers, in the other scenarios you presented. :up:

His name is Charles so I would appreciate that you address him by his name.
Stretching? No I don't think so, because they could use it to beam off his whole equipment if they wanted to, leaving him Buck naked. This again would be a matter of seconds and already pre-planned by Charles so they would be ready to beam his equipment the instant he leaves the hellecarrier. Meanwhile Ronan is still trying to get his bearrings.

With no preptime, I can see Chuck taking Ronan down, since it's debatable whether or not he'd have any mental protection with him. But, with a day to prepare for the fight, Ronan would take Xavier.

In combination with the strongest Telepath on earth and Cerebro this match is more tougher than you would like to ackowledge. This combination might be enough to overpower his mental blocker just enough to give him the edge. Ronan would be too confident and arrogant to think that Chares could beat him so he might underestimate the combination of power between cerebro and Xavier.

If this match were located in a location like 2 weeks ago in the desert, than Charles would have no chance to beat Ronan between the lack of hiding spots and technology resources. But since they are in the Hellecarrier than Charles could buy his time until it was the right moment to strike when it's most effective. I wouldn't even doubt that the Hellecarrier has personal sensors to tell where every being is located in the aircraft, giving Xavier and opportunity to move locations if Ronan is approaching his area.

I have to agree with Wolverine; that is pretty retarded. The characters should know the names of their opponents and that's it. Part of the preptime is researching your opponents after all and trying to figure out their weaknesses.
If you're told about all their abilities and weaknesses before the preptime, then you all are royally ****ed when you fight people like Thanos, Doom, and Kang. :o

Whether you like it or not it is known between characters what each players strengths and weaknesses are (This was mentioned by JH in the battle of Scorpion between Nico Minoru only 2 weeks ago). Some individuals have no known weaknesses so it would make it harder to create a strategy from that.

As well, individuals like Doom, Thanos and Kang would probably have the technology capability to find out this information anyways...

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Frig man, I've been operatin' with a handicap this whole time! But I still got a buncha wins so I musta done SOMETHIN' right at least. Luckily.

[POWdER-man]

:D lol well some call it luck some call it skill........it's not as much as an advantage as you would think. You still have to figure out a way to expose that weakness, and in some cases it's impossible. Especially if there are not any known weaknesses of the character......

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, so first...hopefully JH can answer my question. Since I come up with a location without even thinking about who's fighting, it will obviously effect battle outcomes. Now, since this week we have a flying Shield helecarrier, but the idea that there will be prep time, how should it effect my battle. As I said, Tri-Sentinel could ideally take out the carrier without even really touching Radioactive Man. (Although, I believe the carrier has been attacked before, and in someway it's built, people still survived aboard it.) And, with prep-time, the carrier would prepare itself, but I don't want the carrier fighting my battle for me, of course. Thus, I took the battle on top of the carrier.


Anyway, this said,

Radioactive Man vs. Tri-Sentinel


As stated, Radioactive Man in pretty immune to energy-based attacks and has a protective field around him. He'd take his opportunity to attack the Tri-Sentinel and make his way onto his outer shell, and would eventually crack him open like an egg. Radioactive Man doesn't need to know the Tri-Sentinel's every weakness, but how he's been defeated in the past would probably be common knowledge in the Marvel Universe. (Just check out the Daily Bugle on how Public Enemy #1, i.e. Spider-Man, defeated the machine.)

Winner: Radioactive Man