The MSJ Discussion and Praise

[rbotteon]

After watching DD DC, I want to send a pray to MSJ:

1) Don't let them do it again. Don't let those idiots in charge of the editing ruin your movie.

2) I think you are one of the best directors out there. Kick asses with Ghost Rider.

3) PLEEEASE do Daredevil 2.

Greets.

R.

[War Lord]

At least I know who is your god.

[skorponok]

Maybe it shouldn't be called a "prayer"...but a request...a DEMAND:mad:;)!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully he pops up here soon, although he's understandably busy right now.

[FlameHead]

Quite, I would say. I'm staying positive that he'll pop in here some day and say hello. He's done it before and will likely do it again.

[rbotteon]

I would like to apologize with the guys in charge of the editing with the theatrical version of DD. Actually the responsability falls on the producers: Gary Foster and Avi Arad.
In the featurette that came with the DC DVD Foster claims that he wanted to give speed to the movie (????????). I don't know what you think about this...

.... hasn't much to do with Ghost Rider now, but I think I had to rectify this.

Excuse me.

R.

[Nero_Ordin]

I Sure Msj Will Finally Be Allowed To Make The Movie They Should Make.

[skorponok]

Well it is at a different studio...one that's a bit looser with these things than FOX.

[Nero_Ordin]

Well it is at a different studio...one that's a bit looser with these things than FOX.

there is a god. :) :)

[TheVileOne]

Do you guys not remember why David Goyer left this project?

And what makes you so sure that Sony won't butt in with the film and won't try to sanitize it at all?

[Spider-Fan]

Isn't it Sony that has Ghost Rider? Goyer left because they wanted to make a PG-13 flick, and it doesn't bother me that they do. Ghost Rider could be done PG-13 easily.

[BIGGUN]

Do you guys not remember why David Goyer left this project?

And what makes you so sure that New Line won't butt in with the film and won't try to sanitize it at all?

New Line? its at Columbia/Sony....and its wayyyy too early to say if they are going to interfere like 20th Century did w/ Daredevil. Im not familiar w/ Columbia's track record on sticking their noses where it doesnt belong during the production of a film but it seems you might Vile One. do you have any examples?

[TheVileOne]

I'm just saying, considering how much everyone seems to love the director's cut of Daredevil which was supposedly Johnson's real version of the movie, who's to say the executives won't try to have "make it more like Spider-man" again. So my hope is that Johnson will work with producers that will protect his vision of the movie which Gary Foster did not seem to do for him on Daredevil.

[FlameHead]

By the sounds of it, MSJ has a lot of control of this movie and we all know that he is very passionate about it. I can't see them taking that away from him. Plus, he's already proven himself now. His Directors cut was a hit, proving Sony wrong. They even respect him enough to be a producer (for Elektra anyway). Who knows, maybe he's a producer on this one too. I wouldn't doubt it in the least.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Sony knows how to handle their properties better than most. You've seen Spidey, they've earned th' benefit o' th' doubt with their final products.

[FlameHead]

Agreed. I wouldn't want this movie in any other hands than Sony. I trust them because of how well the Spidey franchise has turned out... and yes, I do know that it's not all up to Sony. Spidey turned out the way it did because of a lot of things, cast, director, blah blah blah. But without the support from the production company (and money) they movies wouldn't have been that good.

[Speds]

Well the man with love for fan-boys proved it again last night.

I had heard the Ghost Rider party was now at the Treasury Gardens and that they were filming Wednesday and Thursday nights. I play in a band and we had rehearsal Wednesday and a show on Thursday so I was spewing I wouldn't get down there.

It had totally left my brain until driving to the show last night I realised we were playing just 5 minutes from the Treasury Gardens. Needless to say we finished the set, downed a couple of beers and I dragged the rest of the band down to the set.

Same deal as the cemetary - vans, trucks and more vans. Security seemed more relaxed though and people were everywhere. Walking along the trailers I was explaining to friends who people like Blackheart and Gary Foster are.

Two new names came up, and this is just from memory so forgive spelling, two trailers had the names - Abigor & Gerswill.

Getting towards the end of the trailers and about to head down further to the set I saw who looked like... yes it is... "Mark!"

MSJ: "Yah!?"

Me: "Hey man, I just wanted to shake your hand and say hi"

Me: Extends hand...

MSJ: "oh cool..."

MSJ: Shakes...

Me: "I actually met you at the Q&A late last year"

MSJ: "Oh which one were you?"

Me: "the dude in the Spiderman t-shirt with all the questions about Ben Affleck and Kevin Smith"

Here MSJ shows a very believable sign of recognition on his face which made my day.

MSJ: "Oh yeah man for sure, so you've come down to see whats happening"

Me: "Yeah I've visited the other sets a few times just hoping to catch a glimpse of something"

MSJ: "You weren't the crazy guys yelling stuff over there were you"

Me: "Nah nah"

MSJ: "Did you come down to the city set the other day, it was cool man, we were blowing up shops, police cars, its was great.

Me: "Nah I wish, I read about it on the internet, which isn't quite the same I guess"

MSJ: "Oh its on the internet? Man it was awesome, anyway dude I should keep running, good to see ya"

Me: "Yeah man, thanks, seeya later.

**********

Now the following is how I wished the conversation continued...

Me: "Now Mark, I would be willing to set my head of fire to be part of this movie"

MSJ: "Oh cool, hey Nick!"

Nicholas Cage: "Yo"

MSJ: "This guy will do the flaming head parts for ya"

Nicholas Cage: "Awesome, I'll be in my trailer then."

MSJ: "First up is the love scene, Speds I want you to meet someone..."

Eva Mendez: "Hey handsome!"

ME: "YEEAAAAAAAAAAHH!!"

PS> Sorry Biggun, in the crazy nervous of talking to the man I forgot to name drop you, but I'll be keeping that secret weapon should the moment arise again.

Peace!

[Hunter Rider]

great to hear,i like the sounds of the all the stuff getting destroyed:cool:

Thanks for the post and keep dreaming of Eva:p

[splinterd]

Cool Beans !!!

[Abe]

did MSJ seem annoyed that wednesday night's shooting was posted up on the 'net?
last thing i want to do is annoy this guy, because he seems so nice and accomodating for the fans (and also the online fans).
that's why i don't bring my camera along to the sets. even though i'm kept at the barricades during filming and can't seem too much, i still respect the privacy MSJ would like until the movie's released on the big screen.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Two new names came up, and this is just from memory so forgive spelling, two trailers had the names - Abigor & Gerswill.

Hmmm..could this be the names of the other two demons?? Great post, man. I wish you could have asked MSJ when he was gonna come back on here and update us. Awesome post though.

[Speds]

did MSJ seem annoyed that wednesday night's shooting was posted up on the 'net?
last thing i want to do is annoy this guy, because he seems so nice and accomodating for the fans (and also the online fans).
that's why i don't bring my camera along to the sets. even though i'm kept at the barricades during filming and can't seem too much, i still respect the privacy MSJ would like until the movie's released on the big screen.

Yeah I really spewing I said (I'm a ****in idiot).... It was just I was little nervous and he asked was I at the set I just blurted and out came that. He seemed ok with it, he might have gone on into his trailer and cussed about though haha.

I was the same, never want to upset him or the crew. Some mates wanted try to get real close but I didn't wanna be the people that get yelled at and escorted off the premises... I wanted to be the nice little dorky fan-boy that people, crew or cast can see has a genuine interest and love for this character/movie and then maybe they would give me the time of day.

[InVictus]

Recently i thought about all this continuous source of news, if it could ruin the movie somehow...and i came to the conclusion that it can't, at least until they are still quite undefined.
We could get a glimpse of the type of scenes, some distant photo, but a lot of this movie is gonna be cgi and editing...
Also, all theese "first hand reports" could make Msj think that we don't trust him, that we are all breathing on his neck, and this is absolutely untrue, and i don't think he deserves something like that...
The thing i don't want to happen is something like the "Doom issue" in the F4 forum.
Fortunately most of hardcore GR fans tend to be far more patient, we are all old stone like cowboys...

[glassdemon]

Did the GhostRider director also do Daredevil? DD was such a let down

[Abe]

yeah, that being said though i don't think he'd appreciate all the photos being posted online. not to bag the guy who took this one inparticular, but the photo of the crew ID tags was a bit much i thought.
not only does it look bad on security for letting a photographer slip in to take the shot, but what if someone replicated it in order to get on the set?
it's stuff like that which COULD lead to a domino effect. in the end MSJ authorises a complete lockdown of the sets and no unauthorised people are allowed anywhere near them.
this is something i particularly don't want to see. i'm very happy with what i've seen from the sidelines so far. i'd hate to have to "move along" away from the sets during shooting, because of online photos and (in particular), my "side-line set reports" i post on the main screen.
i'd feel a GREAT shame if it came to that.

[Speds]

Did the GhostRider director also do Daredevil? DD was such a let down

Yeah he did. I think he did a great job on Daredevil, at first I thought it was just ok. I then saw Elektra (Mark was also involved here) and loved it, went back and re-watched Daredevil and ****in loved it. The bit where Elektra left an "Elektra" necklace but in brail.... awesome! :daredevil

[MarvelMovies]

Awesome..!!! and LUCKY!!!!

I want to shake MSJ's hand!!

That guy has a whole forum of fans over here!

[BIGGUN]

Did the GhostRider director also do Daredevil? DD was such a let down


i thought it was ok...not great as it had problems. however i thought the director's cut was much better. i saw alot of potentional in DD...which is a good sign for Mark.
thing that ive noticed about MSJ is his willingness to listen. he comes on to this site (probably others too) to gauge what worked and what didnt. he admitted that there were some problems w/ Daredevil and to me that is a sign that he is willing to try and avoid repeating those problems in the future.
also keep in mind this is not being rushed....they have until June to stop filming and then probably almost a whole year for post-production. this and in addition he has a really good quality crew working under him i can say it looks good for GR.

as far as taking photos...i dont think they mind too much. its common knowledge that most people will have small portable cameras on their person...if they really wanted a closed set they would have roped the entire area off or even fenced it in to avoid pics being taken. if i were MSJ i would actually welcome pics being taken....although it have to be limited of course. let the fans take pics of the sets, burned out cars ect...this will just help build hype for the film. now if you were taking pics of MSJ or Nic on the toilet than yeah id be PO'd at that point :D

But great work Speds on talking to the man himself! that in itself is quite an accomplishment. not a big deal on the name dropping thing...but i would be interesting to hear what his reaction would be if someone here was mentioned...Flamehead, MarvelMovies, Me...heh. maybe someone else will get a chance to ask or you might get a chance to see again. good work though :up:

[Abe]

my beef with the photos was simply the one of the crew ID tags.
even though it is cool to see behind the scenes stuff like that, i can see an adverse effect happening because of it's posting.
anyway, it's been posted now so there's no point in me whinging and harping on about it, hey? :)
as my grandma often says though, "it's all good."
ole`! :)

[BIGGUN]

my beef with the photos was simply the one of the crew ID tags.


yeah...i can see the point in that. its pretty easy to copy those things..unless there is something else on the back for ID purposes.

[glassdemon]

yeah, that being said though i don't think he'd appreciate all the photos being posted online. not to bag the guy who took this one inparticular, but the photo of the crew ID tags was a bit much i thought.
not only does it look bad on security for letting a photographer slip in to take the shot, but what if someone replicated it in order to get on the set?
it's stuff like that which COULD lead to a domino effect. in the end MSJ authorises a complete lockdown of the sets and no unauthorised people are allowed anywhere near them.
this is something i particularly don't want to see. i'm very happy with what i've seen from the sidelines so far. i'd hate to have to "move along" away from the sets during shooting, because of online photos and (in particular), my "side-line set reports" i post on the main screen.
i'd feel a GREAT shame if it came to that.

Lockdown of sets in public areas are almost impossible. Unless they are in a studio somewhere. No, most directors accept that fans, people will wander around take photos, talk with other people on set etc. Just part of public spectacles, it won't effect the sets prior to filming, unless some crazed fan is eating Mcdonalds and wandering around just as Nicholas Cage does a wheely up little Lonsdale chasing badguys. Usually sets are lockdown when they film.


The fan presence is subtlety encouraged, such good free PR, why would the studio or the director deny it? I have seen set people talking to people who pass by etc. Plus it's smack bang in the middle of the motorcycle district of the Melb CBD. From work, I walk pass, and sometimes through the sets when I have to go to another office.



Have no fear, I reakon they are all having a blast with this one. Fun for all.

[Abe]

it certainly seems like they are having a ball.
lucky people. man, i wish i was part of the crew working on this film!!!!

[FlameHead]

Wow! It's awesome that you got to chat with MSJ speds. Too bad you didn't get the chance to ask him a few questions about the flick. I probably wouldn't have been able to answer them anyway. It's strange that he was intrigued by the internet. I mean, he chats here and knows how serious some of us about the character. He's talked directly to some of us (which is why I agree with Biggun that he'd probably recognize some of our online names). He knows how things thing works and I'm sure he's been on the boards, perhaps just reading, since he's been in australia.

Abigor & Gerswill eh? Perhaps they're the other names of Demons, to go with Wallow. Could be.

As for the pictures and set reports and people on set... it's all part of the game. Like somebody said, it's free promotion and all movies like/need free promotion.... or any promotion that they can get.

[Abe]

talking about promotion of this film, when's the Ghost Rider game coming out?
i absolutely SUCK at video games, but i still buy the ones i hang for. like The Punisher hasn't even come out here in Oz yet, and i want it so bad!
and this Ghost Rider video game? gimme gimme gimme!!!!! :)

[BIGGUN]

talking about promotion of this film, when's the Ghost Rider game coming out?
i absolutely SUCK at video games, but i still buy the ones i hang for. like The Punisher hasn't even come out here in Oz yet, and i want it so bad!
and this Ghost Rider video game? gimme gimme gimme!!!!! :)

i want that game too....im thinking they will probably release it shortly after the film opens. maybe w/in a month of the film's opening. it will have to be before Christmas 2006 im sure.
man i cant wait to play that sucker. think im gonna have to start re-organizing my sound system and TV before it comes out. wanna experience the thing in full blown surround sound :p

[Riding Ghost]

man i cant wait to play that sucker. think im gonna have to start re-organizing my sound system and TV before it comes out. wanna experience the thing in full blown surround sound :p

I'm already prepared, my den is setup with bigscreen and an awesome surround sound. All I need now is Captain Kirks captain chair. :D

Does anyone have any thoughts on what game system it will come out on. I'm thinking "Sony" Playstation as opposed to x-box or gamecube since Sony is doing the movie. I'm assuming Sony studios and Sony game division are under the same company umbrela. I hope its on the next generation game system as well, like Playstation 3. That way we'll have the most current technology powering the game experience.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Comic book games usually come out on a couple systems.

[BIGGUN]

Comic book games usually come out on a couple systems.

yup...they wanna make the most money out of it im sure.
does anyone know when the Playstation 3 is supposed to come out? heard it was supposed to come out this year but was pushed back.

[FlameHead]

I'm gonna have to buy a system... I really am.

Oh and for those who are new to the hype, there is a GR game discussion thread that has a early screenshot of the game in deveopment. Check it out if you haven't already... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139125

[K-pax]

The Daredevil guy directed this. We know how that one turned out. Aren't you worried this is gonna be just as rushed as that movie?

Oh, and can someone post a picture of Blackheart and Caretaker? I haven't seen those guys in the comics before. Then again, Im not that familiar with the Ghostrider character :yellow:

[Mr Nick]

I may be in the minority here, but I thought Daredevil was OK. Not brilliant, but OK. And Mark Steven Johnson seems to me to be a pretty capable guy who really wants to make a faithful, satisfying film. Did you catch some of his comments on the boards? I found them reassuring. He said the Hellcycle was the coolest thing he'd ever seen and he was right.

As for Ghost Rider being rushed, it's not due til over a year from now and they seem to have almost finished filming, in Australia anyway. That should give them a fair old amount of time to do all the effects and post-production stuff. Spare a thought for the X-Men fans; next summer's X3 has just had a dramatic quick-change of director and filming still hasn't started!

:)

[Abe]

K-Pax, your concerns are warranted, yet I want to draw your attention to the Director's Cut for Daredevil. This, in my mind, should alleviate your concerns for Ghost Rider.
From what i've seen on the sets of this movie, it's going to be fabulous. Very dark, and hard-core in it's content (similar to LOTR's content), and most importantly, character-based.
Believe you me, marvel studios are very mindful of the fact DD isn't loved by the film-going public, so steps have been taken to not repeat the mistakes.
Stick around here also, as GR is being spoken about come July 14 at the San Diego Comic Con, so we should have some material to discuss at length.
Fun fun fun! :)

[Abe]

Also, Mr Nick, add me to the list of DD lovers. I have one of the billy clubs used in the film I love the movie that much.
The Director's Cut also, whew! Real good stuff!

[Mr Nick]

Thank God, I'm not the only one!!

Yes, must watch the DD Director's Cut.

:daredevil

[Crowley9]

Call me crazy, but I even liked the theatretical cut a lot. The Director's Cut even more.

[Jolie_Desastre]

i hope it turns out good. to make anyone else feel better the guy that directed taxi is directing fantastic four and that looks pretty good.

and daredevil was still a success nonetheless

[TheVileOne]

I'm concerned for one, but he's got over a year in post to finish this movie. So he doesn't have any excuses this time. That is unless executives and Gary Foster decide to intervene.

[Bishop2]

The Daredevil guy directed this. We know how that one turned out.

It's my favorite comic book movie to date, I wish other superhero films were as good as :daredevil was.

So no, not worried at all.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm concerned for one, but he's got over a year in post to finish this movie. So he doesn't have any excuses this time. That is unless executives and Gary Foster decide to intervene.

well to me you need look no further than Rothman for faults with DD

[Abe]

Who is Rothman? I always thought it was Gary Foster who screwed up DD, in turns of the editing and what-not.
Gary's involved in Ghost Rider also, as he was at the QnA session here in Melbourne, in November. Apart from him, MSJ has mostly a new crew working with him, to which I trust fully to produce a fantastic film.

[Hunter Rider]

Who is Rothman? I always thought it was Gary Foster who screwed up DD, in turns of the editing and what-not.
Gary's involved in Ghost Rider also, as he was at the QnA session here in Melbourne, in November. Apart from him, MSJ has mostly a new crew working with him, to which I trust fully to produce a fantastic film.

rothman is Fox's main man in these situations,he has a list of crimes as long as your arm and he is the guy that forced MSJ and Foster to mek it more like spiderman,i doubt MSJ would still be working with him if he was to blame

[The Hellrider]

As long as the coke-head execs stay far away, and let the actual creative people make their movie, then things will be fine, I believe.

I liked Daredevil, LOVED the DC. The only beef I had with DD was the shoddy CGI work, and with as much time as GR has to get that right, I see no reason to worry.

Hopefully MSJ will be somewhat redeemed, and we'll have a kick-ass Ghost Rider movie.

[Chris Wallace]

I liked DD. I don't see a problem.

[Danger Mouse]

I'm a DD Movie fan. Loved the Theatrical Release, and absolutely enjoyed the Director's Cut. Ghost Rider will be awesome.

[The Hellrider]

It's cool that we are all in agreement, lol^^

[BATMAN34]

The Daredevil guy directed this. We know how that one turned out. Aren't you worried this is gonna be just as rushed as that movie?

Oh, and can someone post a picture of Blackheart and Caretaker? I haven't seen those guys in the comics before. Then again, Im not that familiar with the Ghostrider character :yellow:

I loved DD & have yet to see the Directors cut, but will now with all the coments. When Bullseye killed Elektra and said "but me I'm magic" that's right off the Frank Miller classic page! Did not change a word! Now if the Punisher people were working on GR I would worry because let's face it the Punisher would never have used a popsicle as a torture tool to extract information!!!! GR will kick ass!!!! WORRY NOT TRUE BELIEVERS!!!!! :batman:

[TheVileOne]

They didn't make Daredevil more like Spider-man. If they did, Daredevil might've been a much better film in theatres :) . The only thing they did to make it more like Spider-man was to put in more CG shots of DD swinging around. But more like Spider-man it was not.

[Abe]

BATMAN34, please read the first 3 issues of Punisher War Zone (by Chuck Dixon and John Romita Jr.), because Frank does indeed use a popsicle as a torture device. In fact that whole scene from the movie was taken from PWZ.
I loved that it was in it too. It showed that the writer not only read Welcome Back Frank, but also PWZ #1-3! :)

[Hunter Rider]

They didn't make Daredevil more like Spider-man. If they did, Daredevil might've been a much better film in theatres :) . The only thing they did to make it more like Spider-man was to put in more CG shots of DD swinging around. But more like Spider-man it was not.

*sigh* you and your over-protective "spiderman movies rule" ,what i meant was that Rothman told MSJ to make it more spidey like,i.e lighter and more humourous which isn't what MSJ wanted as that's not what DD is

[Abe]

thanks hunter rider. now i see what rothman's been up to.
any word of him being in the credits for GR though??

[Hunter Rider]

thanks hunter rider. now i see what rothman's been up to.
any word of him being in the credits for GR though??

thankfully no,he is strictly a Fox guy,GR is at Sony same as Spiderman which is also good news

[The Hellrider]

thankfully no,he is strictly a Fox guy,GR is at Sony same as Spiderman which is also good news

That in itself is a blessing, if you ask me.

[Uncanny Orb]

Geez for the longest time I thought I was the only one who liked DD.

[TheVileOne]

*sigh* you and your over-protective "spiderman movies rule" ,what i meant was that Rothman told MSJ to make it more spidey like,i.e lighter and more humourous which isn't what MSJ wanted as that's not what DD is
Well they didn't make it lighter and more humorous at all. They just made it crappier.

[Hunter Rider]

Well they didn't make it lighter and more humorous at all. They just made it crappier.

didn't make it lighter ? they turned Foggy into a comedy sidekick and had that silly park fight between Matt and Elektra,2 humorous but totaly mis-placed scenes IMO

[K-pax]

didn't make it lighter ? they turned Foggy into a comedy sidekick and had that silly park fight between Matt and Elektra,2 humorous but totaly mis-placed scenes IMO

Those weren't the only misplaced scenes. The whole movie was

[Hunter Rider]

Those weren't the only misplaced scenes. The whole movie was

not if youve read Frank millers DD,there was several scenes in the film straight from those stories

[K-pax]

not if youve read Frank millers DD,there was several scenes in the film straight from those stories

Too rushed. There wasn't enough character development and no transition in- between the scenes, too many plotholes: we don't get to know where/how/when and why he gets a hold of that suit (and an ugly one at that). Neither do they explain how he can have a secret lair in his apartment even though he is a pennyless lawyer who gets paid in fish. And all of a sudden he fights a chick so random that she might as well could have been introduced via a parachutelanding

[Danger Mouse]

I don't recall an explanation on how a penniless college kid who has no steady job (like, say, a lawyer) could have custom-made latex/spandex costume with one-way reflective lens for eyes either. Much less plausible than a lawyer who buys regular leather outfits and make minor adjustments to them.

Your point?

[BPrulz182]

Yeah, what the heck was up with that totally random park fight scene? And why Ben Affleck as Matt Murdock? But I still have yet to check out that director's cut, heard good things obviously.

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[Danger Mouse]

Random? He asked for her name, she turned away from him. He grabbed her hand, she got defensive. She tried to push his hand away, he made a counter move. She found that a blind man with such martial art skills to be fascinating and wanted to test him. He obliged. She was, at first, holding back until he told her not to.

It wasn't as though he sought her out and pounced on her for no reason.

[BPrulz182]

Random? He asked for her name, she turned away from him. He grabbed her hand, she got defensive. She tried to push his hand away, he made a counter move. She found that a blind man with such martial art skills to be fascinating and wanted to test him. He obliged. She was, at first, holding back until he told her not to.

It wasn't as though he sought her out and pounced on her for no reason.

Hmmm.... I see your point, but for some reason I just found it random and out of place, and sort of unnecessary and irrelevant. Then the following day, they're (beep)ing. That's just me though, so chill out.
-by the way, Danger Mouse friggin rules.

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[K-pax]

this guy sums the movie up well and its from here I borrowed that "random" comment

http://maddox.xmission.com/dare_devil.html

[BPrulz182]

this guy sums the movie up well and its from here I borrowed that "random" comment

http://maddox.xmission.com/dare_devil.html

Haha, just checked it out, K-pax, and the first few times I saw this movie, I kinda stopped myself from asking, "How did he get all that high-tech stuff anyhow (the tank, all the costumes/weapons)?" But I shrugged it off, saying, "This is a comic book film, sometimes that sort of thing is irrelevant in SOME cases." Apparently not, though. As far as the rest of that article goes, yeah, for such a big fellow, Micheal Clarke Duncan is a nice-looking guy. I'm sure if Mark Steven Johnson looked hard enough he could've found a guy who could be more intimidating, as opposed to just getting the big names. But, as I recall, the movie was a bit rushed anyway. Oop, before I forget, while it was a somewhat cool scene, remember the part where Daredevil and Bullseye were fighting in the church, in front of the stained glass window, and Daredevil hears the sniper rifle from across the street, about to fire? Can you really see and aim that good through thick, multicolored stained glass? If somebody could clear that up for me I'd appreciate it. What else... the scene where Daredevil is following Elektra on the rooftops (to protect her from Bulleseye) after her father is murdered, some of my friends were saying, "Alright, well how'd he know where she was?" As a Daredevil reader, I was thinking to myself, "His heightened sense of smell led him to her." But MSJ didn't emphasize this in the movie (if that turned out to be the case) and just left the audience hanging in terms of that. Thankfully he's got more time on his hands with Ghost Rider, so maybe there won't be as many loose ends with this one.

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-Dave Chappelle, Chappelle's Show

[Bishop2]

didn't make it lighter ? they turned Foggy into a comedy sidekick and had that silly park fight between Matt and Elektra,2 humorous but totaly mis-placed scenes IMO

Foggy's always been a comedy sidekick. However, he should not be portrayed as a blithering idiot who doesn't know the first thing about law, like he was in the Director's Cut.

[Danger Mouse]

Foggy's always been a comedy sidekick. However, he should not be portrayed as a blithering idiot who doesn't know the first thing about law, like he was in the Director's Cut.
That much I agree. He was second-chair, for goodness sake. He should've been on top of the case.

[aaron]

rothman is Fox's main man in these situations,he has a list of crimes as long as your arm and he is the guy that forced MSJ and Foster to mek it more like spiderman,i doubt MSJ would still be working with him if he was to blame

rothman is the guy who is aslo trying to ***** up x3 (deaths, not giving fans the characters they want, *****ty plots etc) and the reason alex proyas didnt want to direct x3 when given the opportunity.

[dpm07]

I'm a DD Movie fan. Loved the Theatrical Release, and absolutely enjoyed the Director's Cut. Ghost Rider will be awesome.

I agree completely.:up:

[Mauser9910]

My only concern would be if they made it too nice, like Spawn was (urgh !) but Daredevil delivered already (Bullseye's killings), plus, if GR messes up with some demons, it could be pretty brutal.
I know Blackheart can take a lot of punishment lol... :D

[Peyton Westlake]

Spawn was a hideous movie at best. I really dont think DD should be mentioned in the same sentence as Spawn's movie.

[skorponok]

K-PAX have you taken anyone's advice and watched the Daredevil DC yet?

Because it doesn't seem like it.

[K-pax]

K-PAX have you taken anyone's advice and watched the Daredevil DC yet?

Because it doesn't seem like it.

I did. Nelson talks to Coolio and Matt doesn't get laid. Still a piece of ****.

[ScarletSpider]

I'm a DD Movie fan. Loved the Theatrical Release, and absolutely enjoyed the Director's Cut. Ghost Rider will be awesome.
I'm the same :up: :daredevil

I have faith in you MSJ, the hard time you've been given over DD is ridiculous, as soon as I gain super powers (and I will) you will be avenged.

[K-pax]

I'm the same :up: :daredevil

I have faith in you MSJ, the hard time you've been given over DD is ridiculous, as soon as I gain super powers (and I will) you will be avenged.

u disgrace

[Abe]

K-Pax, please have something constructive to write in relation to your opinions, rather than simply voicing them.
Whilst it's always good to voice your opinions, it'd be a huge help if you could be constructive in the same instance. Offer something else here, please.
By the way, I'm assuming your moniker is in relation to the movie, K-Pax? I've seen that film and it's quite interesting. Great performance by Jeff Bridges.

[Marcus M.]

Daredevil was good. It was destroyed in the editing room. Watch the directors cut and you will see. What bothers me is that they have an old sick looking man playing Blaze.

[K-pax]

I saw the director's cut and it didn't exchange Affleck, Farrell, Duncan and Garner for suitable leads. They were still there and they didn't deliver. Story was too rushed, cgi was horrendous, obvious wirework, the dialogue was abysmal and none of the characters were portrayed the way they should have.. None, expect maybe Urich.

[casketmouth]

This may have been posted b4 but the director is the guy from daredevil? crap good by ghost rider.

Did the studios not watch that horrible garbage called daredevil? seriously, and they wonder why hollywood is losing money and is at an all timwe low??? cause movies with great ideas attatched to them are given to the likes of MSJ who clearly had no idea how to make a live action movie and forgot that daredevil was a movie not a cartoon.


bagh!! maybe he'll suprise me or he might pull a joel schumacher...and screw up twice. I go with the joel. Cage may hold this together but this foolish idiot who made a moronic attempt of a good Comic adaptation better not mess up again or that will honestly be the last time I ever spend money on his garbage.

I pray miracles happen here and the idiot thinks this time around. He couldn't even direct DD, and this time they're givin him writing privelages. The studio execs are really stupid!!!!

sorry had to vent.

[Abe]

i understand the need to vent. boy, do i. :)
but that being written, i think you'll be surprised at how great ghost rider will turn out to be.
have you seen the footage that's just been posted? oh boy. whatever doubts i had (whilst they were here in melbourne filming (which were very minor)) have now been blown apart and completely forgotten.
i love the new footage, and i hope you do to.

[FlameHead]

Guys, we really have to stop with this MSJ bashing stuff... or at least keep it all in the same thread. There is NO need to start a new thread just to post your views on this director... or to talk about his involvement with DareDevil.

[Cold2daToucH004]

MSJ did a great job with DareDevil. I thought he made it good, and you really felt for the character. There were a few scenes I wish never made it in the final cut of the flick... But overall its one of my favorite superhero/comic flicks. I hope he has more freedom with Ghost Rider.. (i heard Fox was on his a s s the whole way through production with DareDevil). The directors cut owned too.

Overall, MSJ is bad a s s, and i'd like to see his take on more comic's 2 film

[northpole]

This may have been posted b4 but the director is the guy from daredevil? crap good by ghost rider.

Did the studios not watch that horrible garbage called daredevil? seriously, and they wonder why hollywood is losing money and is at an all timwe low??? cause movies with great ideas attatched to them are given to the likes of MSJ who clearly had no idea how to make a live action movie and forgot that daredevil was a movie not a cartoon.


bagh!! maybe he'll suprise me or he might pull a joel schumacher...and screw up twice. I go with the joel. Cage may hold this together but this foolish idiot who made a moronic attempt of a good Comic adaptation better not mess up again or that will honestly be the last time I ever spend money on his garbage.

I pray miracles happen here and the idiot thinks this time around. He couldn't even direct DD, and this time they're givin him writing privelages. The studio execs are really stupid!!!!

sorry had to vent.

those are my thoughts exactly

[invincible mann]

i will let the movie speak for itself
but i was at the ghost rider panel
and i think MSJ is taking this very seriously
daredevil was one thing
but ghost rider is a different film and frankly sony is a different studio

[Ryo Jin]

Was it really MSJ's fault his DareDevil movie was cut? After seeing the Director's Cut of DareDevil, it was a whole lot better. I was under the impression that it was FOX's fault...afterall, they did the same to Fantastic 4. FOX seems to do a really good job at making their Superhero movies suck thanks to cutting out important developing scenes. When will they get it through their thick skulls that we don't give a damn how long the movie is as along as it's good/better?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/daredevil1.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/ff.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/ghostrider.gif

[MarvelMovies]

Guys, we really have to stop with this MSJ bashing stuff... or at least keep it all in the same thread. There is NO need to start a new thread just to post your views on this director... or to talk about his involvement with DareDevil.

Agreed... FH speaks the truth, I tell ya.

I get tired of seeing all of these threads about MSJ this.. and Daredevil that...

Frankly, it gets old... annoying.. and I don't care to see any bashing about this movie at all.

This board doesn't have a specific moderator like many of the others because it usually doesn't need one to supress the banter...

I think everybody should check out Daredevil: The Director's Cut, before talking about MSJ and DD anymore. Also, if you watch the featurette on that DVD, he talks about how the studio toned down his film.. cut out fights and other parts of the story to make a film that was short and entertaining. Granted it might have been entertaining, but the extra 30 MINUTES!!! of footage added to the DD: DC DVD make me want MSJ to direct every superhero movie...

Now, he's with Sony... who, unlike Fox, don't crush their inspiring directors (Elektra.. anyone.. which btw is also getting a Director's cut). Spider-Man, unlike Elektra, was awesome.. and Sam Raimi was given everything he needed.

Unlike most people, I liked Daredevil & Fantastic Four... but many don't see that same value. I didn't LOVE Daredevil, but the DC was another story.

Just drop the whole DD & MSJ bashing.. and get onto the real topic.. GHOST RIDER!

The hot head is about to fry all of our butts cause Ghost Rider at Sony with Nic Cage and MSJ is completely different then Daredevil at Fox with Ben Affleck and MSJ.. so please stop comparing the two.

Nobody cares.

Or...

At the very least, keep it all in the same thread, so I don't have to read it in every other thread.. cause sometimes, I can care less about certain opinions.. esp ones about this topic.

[Exabyte]

This may have been posted b4 but the director is the guy from daredevil? crap good by ghost rider.

Did the studios not watch that horrible garbage called daredevil? seriously, and they wonder why hollywood is losing money and is at an all timwe low??? cause movies with great ideas attatched to them are given to the likes of MSJ who clearly had no idea how to make a live action movie and forgot that daredevil was a movie not a cartoon.


bagh!! maybe he'll suprise me or he might pull a joel schumacher...and screw up twice. I go with the joel. Cage may hold this together but this foolish idiot who made a moronic attempt of a good Comic adaptation better not mess up again or that will honestly be the last time I ever spend money on his garbage.

I pray miracles happen here and the idiot thinks this time around. He couldn't even direct DD, and this time they're givin him writing privelages. The studio execs are really stupid!!!!

sorry had to vent.

You need to focus on spelling Ghost correctly, not Gost

[Emerald Knight]

Daredevil was Fox's fault. Daredevil: the Director's cut was much more filling in terms of story and character. It wasn't perfect (the trial scenes) but it was infinitely better than what Fox initially released.

MSJ knew what he was doing, it's just that Fox tends to screw up good things. Look at their television shows...or lack there of.

I'm guessing we'll get an extended cut of Fantastic Four down the road as well.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Daredevil was Fox's fault. Daredevil: the Director's cut was much more filling in terms of story and character. It wasn't perfect (the trial scenes) but it was infinitely better than what Fox initially released.

MSJ knew what he was doing, it's just that Fox tends to screw up good things. Look at their television shows...or lack there of.

I'm guessing we'll get an extended cut of Fantastic Four down the road as well.

Give up. No matter how much it is explained people won't listen.

[RedIsNotBlue]

This may have been posted b4 but the director is the guy from daredevil? crap good by ghost rider.

Did the studios not watch that horrible garbage called daredevil? seriously, and they wonder why hollywood is losing money and is at an all timwe low??? cause movies with great ideas attatched to them are given to the likes of MSJ who clearly had no idea how to make a live action movie and forgot that daredevil was a movie not a cartoon.


bagh!! maybe he'll suprise me or he might pull a joel schumacher...and screw up twice. I go with the joel. Cage may hold this together but this foolish idiot who made a moronic attempt of a good Comic adaptation better not mess up again or that will honestly be the last time I ever spend money on his garbage.

I pray miracles happen here and the idiot thinks this time around. He couldn't even direct DD, and this time they're givin him writing privelages. The studio execs are really stupid!!!!

sorry had to vent.


Just shutup and go see the movie because you know your going to no matter how much you "vent". :o

[Carter-SL]

Why don't people make judgement next year when the movie is released. I myself can not wait to see it, mainly as it was filmed in melbourne and got to see some of what they were doing. Bring on August 2006.

[FlameHead]

You're one lucky son of a beeper. I would have loved to have been near that set.

[ultimatefan]

I just seen DD´s director´s cut and it sure got my hopes higher for GR. It was a much better movie and showed MSJ is a better writer and director than Fox´s Cro-Magnons in suits allowed people to think with the theatrical release. With Sony, that gives much more support to directors and doesn´t chop and butcher their movies, I have hope Ghost Rider may be a pretty good comic book movie.

[MarvelMovies]

:D

Glad you took to the time to check out the DC.

I thought it was a much needed improvement as well.

[FlameHead]

I agree. Huge fan of the DC of DareDevil... though I didn't even mind the theatrical cut. The DC cut was 1000 times better though... considering the story was put back into it.

[lawless]

Well, there have been a string of horrible comic book movies with exceptions these days (thankfully Batman is not one of them).

Therefore, this one is bound to be horrible simply because of the director. Since when did this guy get inaugurated as a comic book movie director? I mean come on. Daredevil was ridiculous. Did this guy even read the comic? SO yes, thankfully Nick Cage is a diehard fan of Ghost Rider but that doesn't mean he has any say, so Johnson can go ruin the movie, which is bound to be bad anyway.

Not to sound pessimistic as I haven't even seen the trailer, but after the horrible creation of Daredevil, I have every right to be. The effects will probably be cool, especially with Ghost Rider. Mephisto? Blackheart? Anyone else willing to make an appearance will end up looking dumb. I'm picturing it to be a lot like the ending of Mortal Kombat 2 where Ghost Rider usses his "powers" and morphs into a dinosaur to battle Blackheart.

[ultimatefan]

See the director´s cut of DD. It´s a much better movie.

[batman 833]

Okay first of all,what do you mean saying batman is not one of them do you mean batman Begins was a horrible movie or the opposite?,second yes daredevil was awfull but that does'nt mean that MSJ is a bad director every director has had its bad moments, so you have to give him a chance, i think sony is giving him liberty enough to create his whole vision of GR and that the cut we will see in the theater will be his complete vision of the story,there are possibilities with GR that DD didn't have there's more spectacular things you can achieve with him,plus the suit(leather jacket boots spikes etc) are pretty acurate to the source material which was'nt the case with DD and from what he said answering the fans in this forum, he has more confidence this time around and has obviously learned from his mistakes in DD, so don't jump to conclusions so soon at least not until we have seen GR fully concieved in an oficial trailer, have some faith.

[Mr Nick]

Lawless, I'd take a look at the 'Ask MSJ part 2' thread before you judge either the director or the film.

A little pessimism isn't a bad thing. Maybe I'm getting a little too wildly optimistic and risking a little disappointment. However, the director's comments are bang-on what this Ghost Rider fan wants to see on screen at the end of the day and the images from the production that I've seen courtesy of the other fans on this superb board have really impressed me.

Also, as I understand it, Nic Cage was a major driving force behind this film getting made in the first place and I reckon he probably made significant contributions, at least while he was working on the picture. Mark Steven Johnson is very fan friendly, as his posts on this board show, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he was influenced by some of the suggestions and comments the fans made. I applaud him for being so open.

You didn't like Daredevil and that's fine, but I'm hoping you might find reason to be more confident in this film. For one thing, this was a Sony movie, not a Fox movie as DD was and Sony have received nothing but praise from Sam Raimi and Mark Steven Johnson for the freedom and cooperation they have given them.

So, please read through these threads and you might find many reasons to look forward to this film.

:up:

[The PhantaZm]

Batman Begins was crap! Why is that movie on a pedastool, it sucked! :mad:

MSJ isn't a better director than Nolan but hes definitely a better comic book director.

Its Nic Cage I'm worried about. I can't see him in this role.

[GMONEY]

This movies gonna blow up big!!!Especially cause Sony got its back!!!

[Mr. Freeze]

Yeah really there is no Fox or Lion gate films to bust the directors balls


MSJ learned from his mistakes, this movie will deliever

to bad it is not R though......

[Caliber]

Yeah really there is no Fox or Lion gate films to bust the directors balls


MSJ learned from his mistakes, this movie will deliever

to bad it is not R though......

I think that he will deliver because he knows GR. He wouldn't want to ruin this so I would wait to see the movie or a trailer to judge for now.

[FlameHead]

I can't understand peoples obsession with starting a new thread on this very same topic. It seems like it happens every week.

The MSJ thread is here; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190086

[Weadazoid]

Well, there have been a string of horrible comic book movies with exceptions these days (thankfully Batman is not one of them).

Therefore, this one is bound to be horrible simply because of the director. Since when did this guy get inaugurated as a comic book movie director? I mean come on. Daredevil was ridiculous. Did this guy even read the comic? SO yes, thankfully Nick Cage is a diehard fan of Ghost Rider but that doesn't mean he has any say, so Johnson can go ruin the movie, which is bound to be bad anyway.

Not to sound pessimistic as I haven't even seen the trailer, but after the horrible creation of Daredevil, I have every right to be. The effects will probably be cool, especially with Ghost Rider. Mephisto? Blackheart? Anyone else willing to make an appearance will end up looking dumb. I'm picturing it to be a lot like the ending of Mortal Kombat 2 where Ghost Rider usses his "powers" and morphs into a dinosaur to battle Blackheart.



WTF man oh man I have sen them all now, people teeling us it will be like Spawn only worse, and now this


Ghost Riders voice is going to shake the Theaters, I don't think there will be any need to morph into anything other then himself

You have some realy solid actors and Actresses taking the reigns here, Cage is well respected, Fonda is an Icon, Bentley will probubly fill the evil role quite well, and Eva is a hotty, who isn't the best actress in the world but she isn't just there for eye candy either.

[FlameHead]

I was watchin' the DD Directors Cut with commantary just the other day and realized another reason why Mark is so perfect for this movie; he loves Motorcycles. I thought that was pretty neat. Not only is he a huge fan of the Character himself but also he is also a major fan of a major part of the storyline.

I wonder if he got into Motorcycles because of Ghost Rider?

[FlameHead]

A little bit of info from here; http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/20/ghostrider.htm

Question: Daredevil, I was really let down. What happened?

Johnson: Sorry you didn't dig it. I think we'll let Eva answer that one. (laughs) Dude, it's totally OK if you didn't like it. I know some people love it, some people hate it. I do think the director's cut is a much better version of the movie. (applause) If you would take the time to see that, I could defend that movie pretty well. There are some battles that you are going to lose. There were 30 minutes of story that got cut out. When you cut the story out of the movie, you're in big trouble. It was one of those battles that you find yourself in. You wage a war to make the best movie you can. I still think the movie is good even though it's up-and-down.

Luckily, in this case, we have a studio behind us that really gets us and has really been supportive and has given us what we need to make it right.

[Advanced Dark]

You guys would have been smothered by Pirates 2. No doubt about it. Also with Majesco dropping the video game and handing it over to Climax it gives the new company time to not rush the product.

I'm sure I speak for everyone here. You give us the best Ghost Rider movie you can...and we'll wait till 2007. No biggie. I just hope it's not a short movie. :)

For those who can't wait....GOT RITALIN?

[Uncanny Orb]

Stop trying to get him to send you free stuff. J/K

[Advanced Dark]

^^^ Oh yeah please send me a Ghost Rider skull candle. Hey...tha'ts a great idea! :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

Getting a little thread-happy aren't ya there Blades? :p

[Darth Elektra]

Im not very happy with the push back,I was always for it coming out in Aug but Feb is in my opionion just stupid!

[WarBlade]

This is good news. Sony's international release date page (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/ghostrider/international/) was a mess. Maybe now we'll see something that makes sense. :up:

Year in, year out I dispair over floods of certain kinds of movie titles in selected months and each year I shake my head at film distributers leaving huge holes elsewhere in the year where I can't sell a damn thing. As summer kicks off here we got Harry Potter delayed one week with the end result being Potter one week, then a one week gap with no new releases, before the chaos of two made-in-NZ monsters only five days apart. :( I recall I, Robot Spider-man, King Arthur and Riddick doing something almost identical release-wise in the middle of last year and I can't for the life of me figure why distributers can't throw us a lucretive bone or two early in the year.

The part I can figure out is that the big simultaneous release blockbusters come out with northern summer releases, while the not-so-big releases, say Riddick for example, come out earlier, but then distribution costs being what they are (for titles like Riddick) the prints finish a U.S. run and get shipped my way for second hand use months later. So the damn things gets jammed together with the big names here anyway. :mad:

Hooray for something marketable in the January to May wasteland of movie releases! :D Even if I have to wait for GR I'm hoping I might get it through before the end of April although really I'd like to get it February/March if possible. :up:

[Advanced Dark]

Getting a little thread-happy aren't ya there Blades? :p

2 or 3 whole threads. WOW! C'mon LS half the threads here are filled with posts whining about the thread itself. Just like the clown in the X3 forums saying my X3 thread should be in the non-spoilers section. Everyone is so busy kissing Retroman's hiney when he posts about who's being considered to score X3 and what company is doing visual effects in the spoilers section. What's the diff? If you guys would save that energy and use it in threads you're interested in you'd realize you're being 3 times as productive. See now I"ve wasted one more post. Damnit! :)

[FlameHead]

100% indeed. I've known for a while that this project would not have been handled properly by any other man and seeing the recent footage has only solidifed that thought.

MSJ, if you're reading this, you're team is doing amazing work. The next year will be an interesting one to watch unfold. I can't wait to see what Sony has up their sleeves for a promotion campaign.

[BEER]

*Smooch*
*Smooch*
*Smooch*

MSJ: "Enough! My buttcheex are getting red!" :mad:

[FlameHead]

Hey, I tell it like I see it and I love what I see.

[mongoro]

:ghost:

[mongoro]

Yep I agree with ya Flamehead tell it like I see it and yep love what I see with this movie haveing MSJ going the extra mile and then some for all of us fans ect:up:

[FlameHead]

That's what's best about it all. A man kind enough to let us be the some of the first to know about the situation and have it come directly from him. He cares about the fans and that matters to me.

I wonder if he chats on other sites or is it just here?

["Iron Man"]

I don't think he is IMO, because his last comic book adaption, Daredevil (2003), just plain sucked!:ghost:

[Uncanny Orb]

Yay another thread about how much DD sucked!

[FlameHead]

Well, we can expect this to happen more and more over the next year but, it's still a useless thread and more than likely will be deleted and/or merged.

To answer the question asked; the movie has been filmed and mostly completed. Whether he's right for it or not doesn't matter anymore. Judgement time starts in Feb 2007, not after DD was completed.

[Spawn187]

Well i think he can be a great director if he grew some balls. He really needs to be blunt and a @$$ when it comes to asking for money for effects. i think it was some of the effects in daredevil that kinda made the movie bad but it could have been worse i mean remember STEEL with shaq now thats what i call a Bad movie.

[zer00]

lol. Moses. Lmao

[CConn]

Hulk rocked. :down

[Casius--J]

Whether he is the right director or not is irrelevant now as the movie has completed shooting.

And imo DD was good and the Directors Cut was great!!

oh yeah and yes this is a pointless thread!!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well I don't think we should judge something until we have seen it. Sorry if that seems a little crazy.

[NDX]

I'm just here to pad my most count.

I'll pre-judge the movie when I see the previews and commercials. Because I can.

[Cold2daToucH004]

Since when is 100+ million a failure (DD)? DD was a great movie, the studio made MSJ do sh!± he didnt wanna do, the directors cut was even better.

MSJ got a lot of garbage for DD, it was a great movie, and IMO couldnt be made any better. He was a huge fan of the flick, and it ended up grossing 100+ mill domestic. What more could you ask for? Not every coming film will make 200+... it just doesnt happen

[rscal]

Since when is 100+ million a failure (DD)? DD was a great movie, the studio made MSJ do sh!± he didnt wanna do, the directors cut was even better.

MSJ got a lot of garbage for DD, it was a great movie, and IMO couldnt be made any better. He was a huge fan of the flick, and it ended up grossing 100+ mill domestic. What more could you ask for? Not every coming film will make 200+... it just doesnt happen

Then tell me what other movies you think are great so i don't waste my money. Heehee . guess we have different tastes in movies and ideas of good dialogue and action since i think daredevil was the second worst marvel movie made, the worst for me was the punisher (the newest one, thought Dolph's at least had him use guns more than twice and had the attitude of punisher) The effects for GR so far looks good and at least MSJ got rid of the Native American mythos that was seen in the original scripting of GR. so it looks somewhat promising would have rather seen Keifer for the starring role, but i know Cage really persued this one which kinda makes me nervous since Ben AFFLACK !!!! did the same with Daredevil.

[Duneboy]

I thought DD could have been alot better & I don't hold out much for GR. My biggest complaint w/ DD was they kept playing music in just about every friggin' scene making it resemble a music video & not an action film. I mean, where the heck was Stick?!

[deathshead2]

I liked DD so HA.

[Abe]

I loved Daredevil, and thought the Director's Cut was it-and-a-bit. Heck, I might even watch it tonight! :)
That being written, MSJ has my full support on Ghost Rider.

[str8raz0r]

I say wait until you see the final product. Directors can do very different films, even in the same genre, over the course of their career.

Compare Hellraiser (directed by Clive Barker) to Nightbreed or Lord of Illusions (also directed by Barker). You've got three films, all written and directed by thee same guy, with extremely different looks and feels.

Not only that, but the character focus between DD and GR are ridiculously different.

You can't judge GR based on DD, plain and simple.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think a good example would be Joel Schumacher. He made 2 horrible Batman films yet most of his other movies are great.

[Cold2daToucH004]

Then tell me what other movies you think are great so i don't waste my money. Heehee . guess we have different tastes in movies and ideas of good dialogue and action since i think daredevil was the second worst marvel movie made, the worst for me was the punisher (the newest one, thought Dolph's at least had him use guns more than twice and had the attitude of punisher) The effects for GR so far looks good and at least MSJ got rid of the Native American mythos that was seen in the original scripting of GR. so it looks somewhat promising would have rather seen Keifer for the starring role, but i know Cage really persued this one which kinda makes me nervous since Ben AFFLACK !!!! did the same with Daredevil.
You just said you liked Dolph's Punisher, therefore... this conversation ends here.

[theescapeclause]

Compare Hellraiser (directed by Clive Barker) to Nightbreed or Lord of Illusions (also directed by Barker). You've got three films, all written and directed by thee same guy, with extremely different looks and feels.
I agree 100%. Look at Robert Rodriguez. It's hard to think the guy that did Spy Kids brought Sin City to life. I think most of us agree that Daredevil wasn't as good as it could have been. I'm pretty sure most agree that the director's cut was fantastic, and showed how much a studio can butcher a film. In the end, Daredevil doesn't have anything to do with Ghost Rider. MSJ has been on this project for years, he knows the comics, and he wants a kick ass Ghost Rider movie as much as we do. I know I can't wait to see what he's done with Ghosty.

[SonOfTheDark]

We will see when the movie is out, but the Daredevil DC was quite good, so Im optimistic ;)

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061113_mark_steven_johnson_wants_dare.html

[NDX]

NO! They nixed Grease 3?! How could they?!

Oh, wrong article.

Anyway, would be interested in seeing a Daredevil 2, although I still need to see the Director's Cut. Waiting for the next set of dvd sales that include it. Hopefully by Christmas.

Didn't see much, well, anything on Ghost Rider in that link.

[Advanced Dark]

Here's the full article:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10554320&postcount=18

[RedIsNotBlue]

Oh my god. Did MSJ really say he is interested in Preacher?? MSJ man...we need to talk so I can tell you how much I love you.

[zer00]

Yeah posted in the wizard world texas thread. And I wait for the day when MSJ will not rock my socks.

[Vartha]

Wow I didn't know there was interst in a DD2 movie, cool.
I haven't seen the directors cut either NDX, is it out yet, I really haven't been looking for it.

[zer00]

Get it

I liked the theatrical cut

then I saw the DC


I now think the theatrical cut is ****

[auzi]

YAHOO!!! OMG, sounds like its going to happen, yeah, i can't wait to see it, they should need to bring all the actors back and change the studio this time, so that MARK STEVEN JOHNSON could make his own movie, i think SONY would be good as they were very supportive with MARK STEVEN JOHNSON on GHOST RIDER!!!






:daredevil :daredevil :daredevil
AFFLECK played a superb DAREDEVIL!!!

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost:
Can't wait to see it!!!

[NDX]

Johnson said he might be interested in using Marvel's version of Scarecrow, who was in his original plans for the first Ghost Rider film before hearing that a Scarecrow would be in Batman Begins.

"I think you could still do it here and do Marvel's version of Scarecrow, which was such a cool character," Johnson said.

Damn you Batman!

[zer00]

YAHOO!!! OMG, sounds like its going to happen, yeah, i can't wait to see it, they should need to bring all the actors back and change the studio this time, so that MARK STEVEN JOHNSON could make his own movie, i think SONY would be good as they were very supportive with MARK STEVEN JOHNSON on GHOST RIDER!!!



Not one for book learning are you

[FlameHead]

Exciting news on the DD2 front... but, I really don't know what to expect at this point. If GR is successfull, there definitely will be a sequel which will likely happen right away. That's at least a 2 year wait for DD to even start. By then, either the previous ill reviewed verision will be forgotten (for the better perhaps) or the character will be and the lack of interest may remove any reason to do a sequel... from a studio point of view.

Also, Mark may want to do something else in between these Superhero flicks, just to change it up a little. I think he mentioned a comedy recently, didn't he? Personally, I'd like to see him take on something else in between, or sometime soon anyway. What intrigues me most about the man as a director (besides the obvious GR connection of course) is his vesatility. 'Simon Birch' and DareDevil (and/or Ghost Rider) are two completly different movies afterall and I'm sure Mark has a whole other skillset he's achin' to explore.

Either way, whatever Mark chooses as his next projects in the coming years, I'm sure he's made a lot of fans here who'll support him along the way, no matter what it is. Me included.

[CAH]

Great News!

MSJ doing 'Preacher' would be fantastic!

But of course I know he wants to do GR2 before anything else...as long as GR is successful Box-Office wise, which I'm sure it will be. It's getting so close, and I keep getting more excited! It looks SOOOO good. I hope it delivers.

DD2 I could do without, but if the story is right and actors are good this time (no Ben and Jen!)...I'd be all for it Mark.



CAH

[Canadian Rider]

I just thought we should start a thread since MSJ comes by, to say thank you.

His passion and drive has made my dream come true at least, bad ole Johnny B. riding large and mean on the big screen. Without MSJ I don't think this would have happened, no offense to Nic.

Thanks Mark for perservering and putting up with so much crap about the early shots. This movie will be great and I wanted to say thank you here on the boards.

You have done an amazing job in taking the best of the Rider Lore and putting together an amazing looking movie. I cannot wait to see the finished product.

I cannot wait to see my main man on the big screen. I have written on my blog and elsewhere, but Johnny has always been a hero that I could relate to in many ways, so to see him on the big screen is just amazing. He was the hero for me as a kid, a teen and now an "older" guy who just spoke to my situations. He is not a press favorite and he has struggles in a lot of areas. He is on the side of good, while being the bounty hunter for the devil.

Thanks Mark for making a dream a reality for me.

Flamehead -- thanks for all you have done to make this section Rock here at the Hype and welcoming me aboard. Like I said, this is a great community and you have brought us together. Thanks!

[webhead731]

I'd also like to thank MSJ for the movie. It looks passed amazing.:cool:

Flamehead is a great poster too.:up:

[Vartha]

THERE'S A POSTER OF FH? :D
Nice job these last few days on the boards FH! You've done a great job!

[Mr Nick]

Yes indeedy, MSJ has proved to me that he's the best guy for the job. He knows his stuff and is a very capable director. And his contact with us little people here goes to show what a gutsy, thoroughly decent and respectful fella he is.

As for Flamehead. Well, he's the Big Cheese, the Top Dog, Numero Uno Honcho on this here board. He makes everyone feel welcome. He's a gent and a scholar.

Respect to you both, my friends.

:woot:

[wolfsfang]

Just watched the trailer for the 100th time and I must say that if it is anything to go by this movie is going to be a work of art.

Daredevil was my second fave Superhero movie (after Spider-Man) but both these already look set to be making a drop to third and second place respectively because this movie just looks to damn cool.

Seriously I am looking a hell of a lot more forward to this move then SM3 and that one has Venom in it, and anyone who remembers me on these boards should no that my love for the character of Venom knows no bounds.

So for you to make me put a movie with Venom in it below another just shows that you are not just a great director...you're a bloody GOD!

[webhead731]

I know!

I'm really excited and I really don't have many doubts!:wow:

MSJ is great!:up:

[Canadian Rider]

Bring it on !!!

[PenanceStare]

I too have the feeling that this flick is going to be surprisingly good.

[CAH]

MSJ is hella cool.

GR will be his masterpiece.

CAH

[Vartha]

I hope the GR movie starts a new Monster trend and Werewolf by Night finally gets made.

[wolfsfang]

Hey Mark Vartha just announced your next project for you

Werewolf by Night

[webhead731]

Yeah!

I'd like to see that!:)

[wolfsfang]

Heh we should start a "Mark for Werewolf by Night" petition.

[FlameHead]

I too have the feeling that this flick is going to be surprisingly good.

Yup. I said it once and I'll say it again; Sleeper Hit.

[wolfsfang]

Yup. I said it once and I'll say it again; Sleeper Hit.

Not if we do enough shouting and keep everyone awake :woot:

[FlameHead]

LoL. You got me.

[InVictus]

Nay, before that MSJ MUST do GR sequel with Scarecrow, the Real, crazy as hell, sick, trusty rusty's friend straw head.

[deemar325]

I gotta be honest the trailers don't impress me much, MSJ isn't a very good director to me. Plus how is a Ghostrider movie PG-13?

It just feels all wrong.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I gotta be honest the trailers don't impress me much, MSJ isn't a very good director to me. Plus how is a Ghostrider movie PG-13?

It just feels all wrong.

How is Ghost Rider NOT PG-13?? I dunno there is like some weird perception that Ghost Rider just goes around killing people like the Punisher.

[zer00]

I gotta be honest the trailers don't impress me much, MSJ isn't a very good director to me. Plus how is a Ghostrider movie PG-13?

It just feels all wrong.

Trailers are good

MSJ is a good director


Ghost Rider is a Pg-13 character


I just blew your whole argument

[BIGGUN]

even Howard Mackie the writer of the 90s Ghost Rider said himself that the book was written for kids 11 and up. he wrote stories that both adults and kids would understand and enjoy...it was never meant to be on the level of Hellblazer or even Spawn.
i have a feeling that people who say that GR should only be rated R have never picked up and actually read the comics

[WiscoD]

Trailers are good

MSJ is a good director


Ghost Rider is a Pg-13 character


I just blew your whole argumentBOOOOOOMMMM!!!!! Did i just hear someone get detonated?????

[NDX]

i have a feeling that people who say that GR should only be rated R have never picked up and actually read the comics

Same impression I get. Always assume Ghost Rider should be R for the character. Apparently they want this movie to be the next Man-Thing, a generic horror film.

[BIGGUN]

exactly.
Ghost Rider was a horror book for kids. GASP!!! oh my gawd! how lame! :whatever:

when i heard MSJ or Cage make comparisons to the old monster films i KNEW they got it. thats the feeling i got when read the old comics....like it was one of those old classic monster movies.

[NDX]

Early on in the 1990s series, the stories were very dark, but the violence was done right to the point where it wasn't over the top but both apropriote for youths as well as being very dark and at time disturbing (such as Deathwatch destroying w building).

[BIGGUN]

yup...i admire stuff that tries to make that balance. takes more creativity to get away w/ stuff rather than just show everything...that to me gets boring after awhile.
its a shame that so many people online are so cynical now and everything needs to be a "dark and gritty R" for it to entertain them. like people who have told me that they cant watch / get bored watching black and white films because it doesnt seem real :huh:

[NDX]

One of the best things in the world are old Bob Hope movies from the 1940s. I enjoy watching many B&W movies. Some are very good. Especially slapstick comedies.

[zer00]

NDX is nothing but a troll

[wolfsfang]

My personal opinion (and has been such since I first learned of a GR movie)

I don't really care what rating they give it!

Really we should stop worrying about a little thing like that and just enjoy the idea that someone if finally putting the Rider on the bigscreen where he belongs.

[xwolverine2]

i used to be crazy about the pg13 rating....

but after seeing what ive seen... it definatly doesnt NEED and R rating.
this movie will own sm3.

[CAH]

exactly.
Ghost Rider was a horror book for kids. GASP!!! oh my gawd! how lame! :whatever:

when i heard MSJ or Cage make comparisons to the old monster films i KNEW they got it. thats the feeling i got when read the old comics....like it was one of those old classic monster movies.
VERY true.

Ands that's the same impression I get when looking at this poster...

http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/GhostRiderBigPoster.jpg/200px-GhostRiderBigPoster.jpg

CAH

[Mr. Socko]

I haven't been following Ghost Rider that much, but am a fan of MSJ's DareDevil DC and I just watched the GR trailer....I was blown away. I'm really excited about this movie now, time to brush up on my Ghost Rider knowledge, gotta get some good comics.

[ampersand]

Trailers are good

MSJ is a good director


Ghost Rider is a Pg-13 character


I just blew your whole argument
Hmmm... you may be right in what you're saying, but you actually did nothing at all to refute his arguments. Literally, nothing.

[zer00]

You're obviously quite wrong

[ampersand]

You're obviously quite wrong
You actually just did the very same thing. All you said was that I'm wrong and did absolutely nothing to back that up.

[zer00]

You prove yet again how wrong you truly are.

[ampersand]

You prove yet again how wrong you truly are.:dry:

[FlameHead]

Early on in the 1990s series, the stories were very dark, but the violence was done right to the point where it wasn't over the top but both apropriote for youths as well as being very dark and at time disturbing (such as Deathwatch destroying w building).

Disturbing yes but, not graphic. And the violence was honerable in the 90's series. It wasn't mindless destruction, murder, death, kills...


yup...i admire stuff that tries to make that balance. takes more creativity to get away w/ stuff rather than just show everything...that to me gets boring after awhile.


using creativity to instill emotion instead of just showin' reality. What a beautiful concept. I mean, we get reality every day and the point of going to a movie is to escape reality...

[FlameHead]

I haven't been following Ghost Rider that much, but am a fan of MSJ's DareDevil DC and I just watched the GR trailer....I was blown away. I'm really excited about this movie now, time to brush up on my Ghost Rider knowledge, gotta get some good comics.

Welcome aboard Socko. You're in for a fun ride!!

[zer00]

:dry:

Sign of lack of argument

[ampersand]

Sign of lack of argument
Or sign of lack of willingness to argue with a brick wall. Seriously, every single one of your posts has been the equivalent of "no, you're stupid!"

[zer00]

Or sign of lack of willingness to argue with a brick wall. Seriously, every single one of your posts has been the equivalent of "no, you're stupid!"

So you're calling me names now? So mature

[ampersand]

So you're calling me names now? So matureYes, I'm comparing you to a brick wall because you refuse to respond to me in any way that refutes what I have said. Instead, you resort to either saying that I am wrong with absolutely nothing to back up that argument, or saying things like that^ to try and take the focus off the fact that you are, in fact, completely full of it. If you can explain to me how this post
Trailers are good

MSJ is a good director


Ghost Rider is a Pg-13 character


I just blew your whole argument
in any way, shape or form gives a logical argument against what deemar said other than offering your opinion (without anything to back it up) against his, please do so. If you can't, just stop posting stupid comebacks that offer nothing to the thread.

[zer00]

I started to read that

but it was so much I lost interest

so I stabbed myself in the hand

that was a 1000 times more entertaining

[ampersand]

I started to read that

but it was so much I lost interest

so I stabbed myself in the hand

that was a 1000 times more entertaining
:dry:

[zer00]

http://img9.imagepile.net/img9/474Keaton.jpg

[The_Raven]

:dry:

Just end it now. Let it go.

All you can get out of this is a burst blood vessel in your head.

[ampersand]

Just end it now. Let it go.

All you can get out of this is a burst blood vessel in your head.Yeah, I'm done.

[zer00]

Oh I get it

you're too cool for school


Well then no prize for you

[FlameHead]

Good Idea.

Zer00. You're being naughty again.

[FlameHead]

Not that naughty is entirely bad...

[zer00]

I know I know

But it's not my fault

[FlameHead]

I know. It's never you're fault.

[zer00]

Yup

Well time to drain the old lizard:up:

[FlameHead]

Watch the scales.

Wait, do lizards have scales?

[zer00]

...good question

I'm pretty sure they do

but not armor like scales

though some do have those

[FlameHead]

Is an armadillo a lizard?

[The_Raven]

zer00...

...is that Chris Jericho in your avatar?

[zer00]

Armadillo is not a lizard


and yes it is

[NDX]

Armadillo makes a great soccer ball.

(just living up to my new troll status)

[FlameHead]

Anyhoo, Lizards are fun and all but... I'm going to bed.

[zer00]

the classic avvy is back I see

[The_Raven]

and yes it is

I thought so.

Jericho rules.

[zer00]

He was actually placed on another plain of existence

due to his awesome not being able to be contained on this one

[FlameHead]

the classic avvy is back I see

Yeah, I figure I started with the bugger. It's just as well to go the home stretch with it....

[The_Raven]

He was actually placed on another plain of existence

due to his awesome not being able to be contained on this one

And here I was thinking that he just got held back because of lameass bookers who didn't know how to use him.

Last I heard, he'd quit wrestling and moved to Japan or something. It's a shame, if Vince wasn't such a dumbass he could have been ****in gold.

[NDX]

Where is your avvy from FH?

[The_Raven]

Yeah, I figure I started with the bugger. It's just as well to go the home stretch with it....

It's not the same...:(

[zer00]

And here I was thinking that he just got held back because of lameass bookers who didn't know how to use him.

Last I heard, he'd quit wrestling and moved to Japan or something. It's a shame, if Vince wasn't such a dumbass he could have been ****in gold.

Not true

he's semi retired

writing his memoirs right now

he's not living in Japan

still planning on coming back, apparently Vince has been throwing around his name as well.

[NDX]

Jericho's also working on the fifth Fozzy album's lyrics.

[The_Raven]

Not true

he's semi retired

writing his memoirs right now

he's not living in Japan

still planning on coming back, apparently Vince has been throwing around his name as well.

Cool. Last time I watched wrestling...there was a big deal about how he "might" show up on TNA...but he was probably done with wrestling for good.

But if he's coming back then hell yeah. :up:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Your all ****ing fired.

[Vartha]

lol for watching wrestling? lol

[The_Raven]

Your all ****ing fired.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/blackestofblueskies/stunner18.gif

[zer00]

Stunner!

Stunner!

Stunner!

[Vartha]

lol

[The_Raven]

MSJ reads this thread...he's gonna be like "Uh....wtf?!?"

[CAH]

Wow, this thread has really drifted away from its purpose...but thats why I love The Hype.

CAH

[Vartha]

hahaha Mark will laugh lol.

[zer00]

He'll see the genius of the Z-man

shhh

listen

they're chanting my name


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[NDX]

There was a lot of work put into this thread to bring it to this level.

[Vartha]

Yup takes alot to get it THIS entertaining. :D

[zer00]

*takes off hard hat*

Now back to my quantum jetpack

[NDX]

He'll see the genius of the Z-man

shhh

listen

they're chanting my name

Delusions of being the Rock, aye?

[zer00]

Delusions of being the Rock, aye?

It fits

and that's all that matters

[The_Raven]

It fits

and that's all that matters

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/blackestofblueskies/stunner7.gif

[NDX]

Now if that was only the stunner where Rock flipped into the ropes and bounced off them. Hell, better acting in that move alone than in all of Scorpion King.

[zer00]

You...must really like Stone Cold

[The_Raven]

Now if that was only the stunner where Rock flipped into the ropes and bounced off them. Hell, better acting in that move alone than in all of Scorpion King.

I don't have a GIF of that one :(

You...must really like Stone Cold

I do.

[zer00]

Now if that was only the stunner where Rock flipped into the ropes and bounced off them. Hell, better acting in that move alone than in all of Scorpion King.

That was a ****ing awesome stunner

Hey Scorpion King may have sucked


*end post*

[NDX]

Not as bad as Doom, but I won't blame Dwayne for that one.