The Metallica appreciation thread!

[Man-Thing]

This is a thread dedicated to the best hard rock/metal band ever!
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[Batty for Bats!]

As much as I LOVE metallica. and believe me, I have all of the albums except Load and Reloaded or whatever. To me, it just seems like they are getting ready to crawl into their death bed.

[Supergirl]

Metallica died with Cliff. Nothing they've done since even compares to thier first three albums... I love em, but they should have stopped.

[The Avatar]

muehhh

[Mr Sparkle]

Metallica died with Cliff. Nothing they've done since even compares to thier first three albums... I love em, but they should have stopped.


:up:

[Dr Doom]

SAINT ANGER SUCKED!!!!!


Although I love the rest of their stuff, but they went downhill after James found god and stopped drinking.

[danielisthor]

How many great songs were made from drinking and drugs. Drugs/Alcohol + Rock Band = Great F'ing music

[Known Felon]

SAINT ANGER SUCKED!!!!!


Although I love the rest of their stuff, but they went downhill after James found god and stopped drinking.
God and sobriety have killed their fair share of great bands.

[Dr Doom]

/\/\ Exactly /\/\

[Dr Doom]

Like KORN.

[Known Felon]

Like KORN.
Don't remind me.:(

[Dr Doom]

LIKE KORN!!!

































;)

[Milkman95]

Let's hope they do something to make up for St. Anger...............

[PLAS]

Lars said in an interview that the next album is going to be 70 minutes of normal snare drums and sequeaky guitar solos

but seriously, I've enjoyed Metallica since Master Of Puppets came out (I was 11 years old!!!) I loved Justice and thought that the Black Album, although overplayed, it did a really great job at bringing their sound into the mainstream, and to anyone who disagrees, during that tour, they would play most of the songs of that album but the stuff that they played the most was pre 88

I loved their 90's country-alternative-metal albums, they are great songs, but they only had one problem: too many songs, I've said it before, they should have just released an album with 18 songs and the rest release them as b-sides

st anger had several problems:
-james going pussywipped on us
-they needed to get rid of bob rock
-jason should have had more input into the band
-the songs were way too long and poorly arrenged
-etc
still, it could have been a great album

[Spider-Who?]

Lars said in an interview that the next album is going to be 70 minutes of normal snare drums and sequeaky guitar solos

but seriously, I've enjoyed Metallica since Master Of Puppets came out (I was 11 years old!!!) I loved Justice and thought that the Black Album, although overplayed, it did a really great job at bringing their sound into the mainstream, and to anyone who disagrees, during that tour, they would play most of the songs of that album but the stuff that they played the most was pre 88

I loved their 90's country-alternative-metal albums, they are great songs, but they only had one problem: too many songs, I've said it before, they should have just released an album with 18 songs and the rest release them as b-sides

st anger had several problems:
-james going pussywipped on us
-they needed to get rid of bob rock
-jason should have had more input into the band
-the songs were way too long and poorly arrenged
-etc
still, it could have been a great album

I actually greatly enjoyed St. Anger. Yeah, it was different in many ways than past albums but it still had that Metallica feel. So what if they drop tuned their guitars, lost the guitar solos and Lars experiemented with different snare sounds. You, being a musician, I'd think would understand the desire for a 20+ year old band to want to try different stuff.

adressing your problems:
1) How was James pussywhipped? Yeah, he got himself clean, off of drugs and alchohol. You know what? GOOD FOR HIM. GOOD FOR HIS FAMILY. GOOD FOR THE BAND. If James continued on this downward spiral, he would have lost his family, his band mates and maybe his life. I'm glad he was mature and focused enough to straighten his life out. And lyricwise, how is THIS pussified:

Get the f**k out of here
I just wanna get the f**k away from me
I rage, I glaze, I hurt, I hate
It hate it all, why? Why? Why me?

I cannot sleep wth a head like this
I wanna cry, I wanna scream
I rage, I glaze, I hurt, I hate
I wanna hate it all away

Hmmm...seems to follow many of his old lyrics. so he must have been pussified before too. some of you have said James found God (i'm guessing becoming a christian?). is this true? i havent heard this.

2) Bob Rock is an interesting fellow. I wont argue with you on this, but i wont agree either. I'll just say that Bob worked with them before and turned out good albums. Rock even said that he wouldnt work with metallica on St Anger if it was going to be the same old stuff, so dont blame him for the album.

3) Yes, Jason should have had more input in the band, but James and Lars were the song writers for all the albums (until SA). BUT at the time of St. Anger, it didnt matter; he quit the band. He had nothing to do with ANY of the writing of the album of any kind. Jason was just the first to go if James hadnt of got his act together.

4) I thought the length of the songs were fine. Have you forgotten that many of Metallica's early songs were just as long? Yeah, to be honest, at times, many of the riffs could have used LESS repeating, but come on, its ****ing Metallica; they do what they want. Arrangement wise, I thought the songs were interesting. I enjoy how they put them together. they all flowed (as much as metallica CAN "flow") and kicked you in the balls at the same time.

its my opinion that if they played the songs in their usual half/step down tuning, and kept the solos, MOST people wouldnt have anything to say.

[PLAS]

I actually greatly enjoyed St. Anger. Yeah, it was different in many ways than past albums but it still had that Metallica feel. So what if they drop tuned their guitars, lost the guitar solos and Lars experiemented with different snare sounds. You, being a musician, I'd think would understand the desire for a 20+ year old band to want to try different stuff.

I enjoyed St Anger too, but it was a trainwreck of an album, great ideas met halfway through, some of the greatest riffs they've done and the lyrics were pretty great too, the solos, and drum sounds and tunnings I could care less about that, but let's face it, Hammet's strengt lies on his guitar solos, maybe he wanted to go in a more experimental way, but it didn't go through, my whole beef is with the arrengements

adressing your problems:
1) How was James pussywhipped? Yeah, he got himself clean, off of drugs and alchohol. You know what? GOOD FOR HIM. GOOD FOR HIS FAMILY. GOOD FOR THE BAND. If James continued on this downward spiral, he would have lost his family, his band mates and maybe his life. I'm glad he was mature and focused enough to straighten his life out. And lyricwise, how is THIS pussified:

Get the f**k out of here
I just wanna get the f**k away from me
I rage, I glaze, I hurt, I hate
It hate it all, why? Why? Why me?

I cannot sleep wth a head like this
I wanna cry, I wanna scream
I rage, I glaze, I hurt, I hate
I wanna hate it all away

Hmmm...seems to follow many of his old lyrics. so he must have been pussified before too. some of you have said James found God (i'm guessing becoming a christian?). is this true? i havent heard this.

see Some Kind Of Monster, that's all I have to say, the guy's job is being in Metallica, and he takes some really strange attitudes toward that, I mean, I have a family too, and I keep a day job, but Metallica is his frickin day job



2) Bob Rock is an interesting fellow. I wont argue with you on this, but i wont agree either. I'll just say that Bob worked with them before and turned out good albums. Rock even said that he wouldnt work with metallica on St Anger if it was going to be the same old stuff, so dont blame him for the album.

I agree with you here too, but Rock has got to go for their next album, just like Flemming Rassmusen was off after Justice


3) Yes, Jason should have had more input in the band, but James and Lars were the song writers for all the albums (until SA). BUT at the time of St. Anger, it didnt matter; he quit the band. He had nothing to do with ANY of the writing of the album of any kind. Jason was just the first to go if James hadnt of got his act together.

it will always be a pitty, these guys are the main songwritters, but they really wasted someone really talented, yes, he's a great bass player, but he is also someone with such a wide array of musical tastes, and a very talented songwriter too, and he left because, among other things they wouldn't let him persue other proyects while metallica was on hiatus, and they would also never use his ideas... kinda like that drummer guy in Nirvana, remember him?



4) I thought the length of the songs were fine. Have you forgotten that many of Metallica's early songs were just as long? Yeah, to be honest, at times, many of the riffs could have used LESS repeating, but come on, its ****ing Metallica; they do what they want. Arrangement wise, I thought the songs were interesting. I enjoy how they put them together. they all flowed (as much as metallica CAN "flow") and kicked you in the balls at the same time.

I remember their old albums, refer to my first post for more info on that, but one thing is having a song long just because you are pointlesly repeating the same parts over and over and something totally different is having a song that lasts 9 minutes becuase there are way too many ideas that flow together and arrengements that keep the song interesting and the listener interested... hell, I never even realized Call Of Ktullu was ten minutes long, and it's a ****ing instrumental!!! but what makes it different from, say Sweet Amber? interesting arrengements


its my opinion that if they played the songs in their usual half/step down tuning, and kept the solos, MOST people wouldnt have anything to say.

like I said before, I didn't mind the lack of solos or the tunnings, hell, in the Load albums they were using country/western elements and I loved them. just like I love Metallica, trust me, they are, and have been and will be one of my favorite bands, and I will buy any album they release, but to say that I felt let down about SA makes me less of a fan? I don't think so... but if only the songs had been shaved a little bit, you know, take out the unnecesary fat, they would have been just great

[DOG LIPS]

Poor Napster. :(

[PLAS]

Poor Napster. :(
I really agree with you and that one, as far as I know, Metallica became what they are due to massive tapetrading... guess it's not the same when the same fans hit you in the wallet

[Dr Doom]

I really hate artists who go after P2P programs. "Oh no, now I can only buy twelve Bentlys instead of thirteen."

[AmerikazMostWanted]

I really hate artists who go after P2P programs. "Oh no, now I can only buy twelve Bentlys instead of thirteen."
Damnit Now I can't cook toast in my golden toaster :mad:

[Spider-Who?]

thanks for replying!

I enjoyed St Anger too, but it was a trainwreck of an album, great ideas met halfway through, some of the greatest riffs they've done and the lyrics were pretty great too, the solos, and drum sounds and tunnings I could care less about that, but let's face it, Hammet's strengt lies on his guitar solos, maybe he wanted to go in a more experimental way, but it didn't go through, my whole beef is with the arrengements.

yeah, Hammet's strength is in his lead work. He actually fought to get his solos on the album, but everyone else said that having solos would make the album feel "dated". (hammet shot back that the album WILL be dated w/out solos, since we are at a time where guitar solos dont exist in mainstream music).


see Some Kind Of Monster, that's all I have to say, the guy's job is being in Metallica, and he takes some really strange attitudes toward that, I mean, I have a family too, and I keep a day job, but Metallica is his frickin day job

I own some kind of monster. its pretty good. thats the thing, Metallica is more than just his day job. like many musicians, it is as much part of his life force as his real family. so any "strange attitudes" i can understand...for the most part.


I agree with you here too, but Rock has got to go for their next album, just like Flemming Rassmusen was off after Justice.


Yeah, i think they could use a new producer as well, for ****s and giggles even....but who?




it will always be a pitty, these guys are the main songwritters, but they really wasted someone really talented, yes, he's a great bass player, but he is also someone with such a wide array of musical tastes, and a very talented songwriter too, and he left because, among other things they wouldn't let him persue other proyects while metallica was on hiatus, and they would also never use his ideas... kinda like that drummer guy in Nirvana, remember him?

yeah, it does suck about Jason, but all in all, i think his depature was the best for everybody. I hope that Jason's new projects work out well.



I remember their old albums, refer to my first post for more info on that, but one thing is having a song long just because you are pointlesly repeating the same parts over and over and something totally different is having a song that lasts 9 minutes becuase there are way too many ideas that flow together and arrengements that keep the song interesting and the listener interested... hell, I never even realized Call Of Ktullu was ten minutes long, and it's a ****ing instrumental!!! but what makes it different from, say Sweet Amber? interesting arrengements

okay, yeah, you got me here. BUT i will say this: St. Anger, the way the album is arranged, works well for simply head banging, pounding your fists, letting the emotion that the songs create stir in you and go balls out (the most effective for metallica, to date, imo). The songs get you angery/excited, and thats the point they were trying to convey, IMO; not "okay, we'll have a I-V-vi progression here, then yes! switch to a relative minor key here!" type structure. as the album title suggests, the theme of the album is about raw intense emotion, and the song writing/arrangments reflect that. btw, sweet amber's one of my favs (next to unnamed feeling). and call of Ktullu rocks.


like I said before, I didn't mind the lack of solos or the tunnings, hell, in the Load albums they were using country/western elements and I loved them. just like I love Metallica, trust me, they are, and have been and will be one of my favorite bands, and I will buy any album they release, but to say that I felt let down about SA makes me less of a fan? I don't think so... but if only the songs had been shaved a little bit, you know, take out the unnecesary fat, they would have been just great


no, dont get me wrong. i wouldnt even begin to claim someone isnt a fan. i respect your thoughts on the album and am glad someone out there who has an issue with it can actually give reasons. i enjoyed St. Anger very much. And its a fun album to play guitar with, play fighting games to and let anger out with. yes, the album does have its faults, but for what it is, what its meant to be, i think its fine. cheers.

[Man-Thing]

About half the songs on St. Anger do seemed rushed. I think if you watch SKOM, you can understand why. Their manager when he listened to the stuff from the Presidio recordings told them that all of them were weak but about four songs. I guess they put a lot of weight into what he says.

But, The unnamed feeling, St. Anger, Frantic, All within my hands, sweet amber, they all are good. I don't even mind the snare sound, it sounds different, and adds to it. When Load first came out, I hated it. Now it probably is my favorite album by them esspecially Outlaw and Bleeding Me. Those are true musical and lyrical master pieces.

As far as James finding God, he did say in the last issue of "SO WHAT?!" (the fan club mag) that he had found Jesus. Those are his words. I think it's cool.
I recently downloaded a concert of theirs from Live Metallica, and they played The God that Failed. Before they started James pretty much said that when the song was written that he couldn't understand why God (he doesn't say "God", but since this song is about him you can understand) felt so far away, but recently he realized that he had always been there. Also, he bearly even cusses, that's a big changed for Het.

He's also gotten a lot of religious tattoos. One of them is a Ford emblem, but instead of saying Ford it says "Faith", and it has a halo and angel wings on it. He has a tatto of a cross necklace around his neck, and a portrait of Jesus on one of his arms.

Not that it matters with his faith, but last year he was seen holding up Bush/Cheney signs after the show. He's been in the NRA for a long time, but he used to say he doesn't vote. He defenantly has changed.

[Man-Thing]

I really hate artists who go after P2P programs. "Oh no, now I can only buy twelve Bentlys instead of thirteen."I hate it when so called "fans" think they are entitled to something for free. That pretty much goes with everything though, I hate it when anyone thinks they are entitled to something for free.

I don't care how many of their albums you have bought, if you can't contribute to their success by buying an album then you shouldn't be able to steal it.

[Spider-Who?]

wow. i'm glad that he has found faith in Christ. Thats really good for him. I wonder if/how that will effect Metallica...

[Man-Thing]

I really agree with you and that one, as far as I know, Metallica became what they are due to massive tapetrading... guess it's not the same when the same fans hit you in the wallet
The difference being that Metallica initiated the tape trading. They didn't give napster or it's users to take what is their rightfully copyrighted product.

[Man-Thing]

wow. i'm glad that he has found faith in Christ. Thats really good for him. I wonder if/how that will effect Metallica...
I think it will give him more inspiration for lyrics. I don't think ever song will be like "Come worship the Lord" or anything, it will still be heavy, just from another source.

[Dr Doom]

I hate it when so called "fans" think they are entitled to something for free. That pretty much goes with everything though, I hate it when anyone thinks they are entitled to something for free.

I don't care how many of their albums you have bought, if you can't contribute to their success by buying an album then you shouldn't be able to steal it.

Listen, I buy all their albums, a vast majority of people do. But if a couple download for free, then I dont see a problem with that. I dont steal music, I actually buy CD's. But for St. Anger I heard alot of bad reviews. So I downloaded it to see what it was like, it sucked, so I didnt buy it.

[Spider-Who?]

concerning the P2P arguement...i am stuck in the middle...Yes, I agree that artists should be paid for what they have worked so hard on, and that fans stealing their songs is a slap in the face and wallet to them.

on the other side, there are countless bands i would never have a chance of getting into without downloading them, since i dont have the kind of cash to get every cd that comes out from so many bands, especially since cds cost so freaking much.

[Man-Thing]

Listen, I buy all their albums, a vast majority of people do. But if a couple download for free, then I dont see a problem with that. I dont steal music, I actually buy CD's. But for St. Anger I heard alot of bad reviews. So I downloaded it to see what it was like, it sucked, so I didnt buy it.
I agree to disagree.

[Man-Thing]

concerning the P2P arguement...i am stuck in the middle...Yes, I agree that artists should be paid for what they have worked so hard on, and that fans stealing their songs is a slap in the face and wallet to them.

on the other side, there are countless bands i would never have a chance of getting into without downloading them, since i dont have the kind of cash to get every cd that comes out from so many bands, especially since cds cost so freaking much.

I don't have a problem with it if the musicians and the record companies don't. I do have a problem however if they don't give them permission.
The one thing people forget (I think conveiniently) is that it takes blue collar workers to actually produce the albums. If you think it's okay to steal from a millionaire that's one thing, but stealing from a mother in Tawain who needs the security of her low paying job to pay for food is another.

[ABC]

sry eye don't like rock, oh well i just felt like postin' ;)

[Spider-Who?]

is there a link or something where i can read about James becoming a christian? i googled it, but found nothing.

[Man-Thing]

sry eye don't like rock, oh well i just felt like postin' ;)
yes!

[Man-Thing]

is there a link or something where i can read about James becoming a christian? i googled it, but found nothing.
I don't have a link, but it was in the last issue of SO WHAT?!. I saw it on the Metallica Boards, someone posted it, then the administrator erased it. I guess he decided not to make a big deal of it, I guess it happened in rehab from what I gathered, which does make sense.

[Dr Doom]

.......and then the music stopped.

[Spider-Who?]

what do you mean by that?

so what if he found god cleaned up his act, kicked alcoholism in the butt, more power to him.

[Man-Thing]

what do you mean by that?

so what if he found god cleaned up his act, kicked alcoholism in the butt, more power to him.careful there, your getting too deep for the typical cliche.

[jks]

Metallica >>>>> every band that has come out since 1983.

[Demogoblin]

Metallica = good s***.

My favorites:
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Creeping Death
Enter Sandman
Sad But True
Fuel (yes, I liked Reload)
Master of Puppets
Sanitarium
Saint Anger (yes, I liked St Anger, too :o )
No Leaf Clover
- Human
The Memory Remains
Fight Fire With Fire
Frantic

[Dr Doom]

What about Spineshank???

[Honey Vibe]

sry eye don't like rock, oh well i just felt like postin' ;)
I'm just here because I heard someone say, ...uh, well long story. Long story short? Don't know anything about the topic :(

[PLAS]

I am speechless, I just have nothing more to say

[Atrax robustus]

Didnt like St Anger but LOVE all their other stuff.

Metallica ROOOL!!!!! :D

[Dangerous]

I thought St Anger was badass, btw has Hetfield become religious now?
Thats a bit gay if he has, Hetfield is suppossed to kill stuff, like animals w/ his gun.

[PLAS]

I thought St Anger was badass, btw has Hetfield become religious now?
Thats a bit gay if he has, Hetfield is suppossed to kill stuff, like animals w/ his gun.
and eat them raw

[Dangerous]

Damn Straight.
I love Metallica, cept the Load albums which are crap.

[Atrax robustus]

Damn Straight.
I love Metallica, cept the load albums.
See, I loved the load albums too.
I thought they were fantastic.

[Dangerous]

They (Load Albums) were not really Metallica for me when I was 16/17, just abit of a shock.
St Anger was much more like it- an unholy racket.

[PLAS]

I consider the Load albums to be far superior than St Anger, and I already stated my reasons

[LastSunrise1981]

Metallica's first four albums are as amazing as it gets. However, they died when Cliff was killed and their drive, hunger, and talent as musicians died along with him it seemed.

Plus, you know, they did run out of Mustaines riffs.

[Dangerous]

They suck.
St Anger rules.

Because St Anger rocks and is way heavy, but re/load are blah, borring.

[PLAS]

okay, they only did three albums with Cliff, and saying that he was the spirit of Metallica is like saying that Brian Jones was the spirit of the Stones (there's idiots who say that), yes, he was a huge influence on the whole band, but he wasn't the be-all, end-all that some seem to put him to be

after Cliff died, instead of just quitting they did what no other metal band had donee before: they broke through the mainstream, they did albums that challanged them as musicians, composers, and people, they toured the world several times over, they went over some of the most unccompromising musical choices one could imagine and came through great

Blackened, Harvester Of Sorrow, To Live Is To Die, The God That Failed, Of Wolf And Man, 2 x 4, Enter Sandman, Sad But True, The Outlaw Thorn, Fuel, St Anger (yes), No Leaf Clover... these are just some of the great songs they did after Cliff died, and they can surely hold a candle to anything they've done

as far as the Mustaine comment, I love Megadeth, but that's just ignorant of you, according to that, Ride The Lighting would be the last good album they made, because that's where they used the material that they had that Dave had done with them

go get a dollar and buy yourself a clue

[PLAS]

They suck.
St Anger rules.

Because St Anger rocks and is way heavy, but re/load are blah, borring.
Load is way heavier than St Anger, in a way that obviously you don't want to understand... SA is just fast, aggressive and noisy, the Load albums are heavy in every sense of the word, great melodies, killer riffs, and they even went as far as experimenting with their sound... when was the last time you heard a boogie/metal song before Load? never or goth influenced country with a metal edge?

there is a whole world that lies behind a heavily distorted amp... and they went there on those albums, yet, they have some really heavy tunes

[Atrax robustus]

I consider the Load albums to be far superior than St Anger, and I already stated my reasons
I couldnt agree more.

[LastSunrise1981]

okay, they only did three albums with Cliff, and saying that he was the spirit of Metallica is like saying that Brian Jones was the spirit of the Stones (there's idiots who say that), yes, he was a huge influence on the whole band, but he wasn't the be-all, end-all that some seem to put him to be

after Cliff died, instead of just quitting they did what no other metal band had donee before: they broke through the mainstream, they did albums that challanged them as musicians, composers, and people, they toured the world several times over, they went over some of the most unccompromising musical choices one could imagine and came through great

Blackened, Harvester Of Sorrow, To Live Is To Die, The God That Failed, Of Wolf And Man, 2 x 4, Enter Sandman, Sad But True, The Outlaw Thorn, Fuel, St Anger (yes), No Leaf Clover... these are just some of the great songs they did after Cliff died, and they can surely hold a candle to anything they've done

as far as the Mustaine comment, I love Megadeth, but that's just ignorant of you, according to that, Ride The Lighting would be the last good album they made, because that's where they used the material that they had that Dave had done with them

go get a dollar and buy yourself a clue

I have a right to my opinion; and unlike you, I do have a clue and maybe you need to pry your lips away from Metallica's rectum and think realistically for once.

Metallica isn't Metallica anymore. Their first four albums were amazing, and yes, they did break into the mainstream. But so did Skid Row, Quiet Riot, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, and even Iron Maiden in some points. So once again, your point falls pointless and shows just how ignorant you are.

Even Mustaine himself says they used his riffs on MOP. But of course, if he wanted he could sue and what not, but he's not going to since he's made a pretty good penny off of Metallica and Megadeth too.

And you do know that "To Live Is To Die" also has some music and lyrics written by Burton too, right? Next.

Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, and Justice For All are all great Metallica albums. But anything afterwards is either straight out mediocre, or straight out pure and simple crap.

I will always LOVE Metallica's first four albums, but just because I find their later stuff to be **** doesn't make me ignorant, if anything it makes you ignorant for insulting people who have a different opinion. Now, go buy yourself a clue or make me a sandwich.

[PLAS]

I have a right to my opinion; and unlike you, I do have a clue and maybe you need to pry your lips away from Metallica's rectum and think realistically for once.

maybe you should read my posts to see how deep my lips are into their rectum...

Metallica isn't Metallica anymore. Their first four albums were amazing, and yes, they did break into the mainstream. But so did Skid Row, Quiet Riot, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, and even Iron Maiden in some points. So once again, your point falls pointless and shows just how ignorant you are.

Skid Row broke through in 89, not even worth mentioning them, might as well mention Enuff Z'Nuff, Bang Tango, Tora Tora and Bulletboys
Quiet Riot is 80's hair metal, which did get some airplay, but they, together with Motley Crue and Ratt were the whole wave of bands against which Metallica and the whole speed metal/thrash/crossover scene was reveling against.
Judas Priest and Iron Maiden are from the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, a movement that influenced Metallica and many other thrash/speed metal bands, and they did break through, but until the late 80's, after tons of singles, videos, tours and other promotional stuff, Metallica did it without even resorting to videos
Led Zeppelin were amongst the first anti-hippie bands, people who consider them metal have not heard them throughly

just to show you how ignorant I am

Even Mustaine himself says they used his riffs on MOP. But of course, if he wanted he could sue and what not, but he's not going to since he's made a pretty good penny off of Metallica and Megadeth too.

as much as I love Megadeth (one of my favorite albums of theirs is So Far So Good, which most everybody hates), I have got to admit, Dave talks a lot, a lot, sometimes, specially when talking politics and issues like that, he has a very sharp mind and a sharper tounge, but when it comes to Metallica, he always comes out bitter

And you do know that "To Live Is To Die" also has some music and lyrics written by Burton too, right? Next.

as far as I knew, To Live Is To Die is based on riffs that Cliff had made over the years, and the lyrics is an actual poem he wrote, which he considered to be his mantra, his whole outlook on life, this was their way of making him a tribute, My Friend Of Misery is Jason Newsted's own personal tribute to Cliff


Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, and Justice For All are all great Metallica albums. But anything afterwards is either straight out mediocre, or straight out pure and simple crap.

I will always LOVE Metallica's first four albums, but just because I find their later stuff to be **** doesn't make me ignorant, if anything it makes you ignorant for insulting people who have a different opinion. Now, go buy yourself a clue or make me a sandwich.

the last two paragraphs you just say the same thing over and over... and try to make yourself better by beliteling me

but that's only your opinion

[Doobie88]

I'll listen to them, and download their music. But I swore to NEVER buy their music, or pay for their concerts again... They've got enough of my cash, those greedy bastards think their fricken gold or something, wanting more then their worth.

[Dangerous]

Load is way heavier than St Anger, in a way that obviously you don't want to understand... SA is just fast, aggressive and noisy, the Load albums are heavy in every sense of the word, great melodies, killer riffs, and they even went as far as experimenting with their sound... when was the last time you heard a boogie/metal song before Load? never or goth influenced country with a metal edge?

there is a whole world that lies behind a heavily distorted amp... and they went there on those albums, yet, they have some really heavy tunes


I agree Load/Reload did have some, 'heavy' tracks like 'House that jack built' 'Fuel' etc, some real heavy grooves, but for the most part experimenting or not, I was bored.

St Anger tho, was like the old albums in that it was an adrenaline shot in the arm, and you and I both know that the album was actually WAY more heavy in the most obvious and basic sence of the word then the load stuf.

Also who's to say Metallica were not still experimenting w/ their sound on St Anger? It certainly does not sound like anything thay have done before.

[PLAS]

I agree Load/Reload did have some, 'heavy' tracks like 'House that jack built' 'Fuel' etc, some real heavy grooves, but for the most part experimenting or not, I was bored.

St Anger tho, was like the old albums in that it was an adrenaline shot in the arm, and you and I both know that the album was actually WAY more heavy in the most obvious and basic sence of the word then the load stuf.

Also who's to say Metallica were not still experimenting w/ their sound on St Anger? It certainly does not sound like anything thay have done before.
they were experimenting alright, with sounding like a garage band :p which they got just right

[Dangerous]

heh, ok well too bad its goes over your head.
I reckon its their best since Justice.

[Atrax robustus]

they were experimenting alright, with sounding like a garage band :p which they got just right
Yeah. those drums sound really bad.

They sound much better on the Live DVD you get with it though.

Personally I thought St Anger lacked any kind of drive.
The songs, whilst thrashy and fast, seemed to lack the heart, melody, riffs and soul of other Metallica songs.
The lyrics felt forced and everything sounded so... so... tinny.

Im not knocking Metallica on 1 album though. Theyre still one of the greatest bands (in my opinion) and I look forward to their next album with baited breath.
:)

I just hope they dont make it like St Anger.

[Milkman95]

IMO, they've become better musicians over the years..........St. Anger wasn't that good, but up until then, they've been improving and growing...........

I Disappear from the Mission Impossible II soundtrack was pretty good as well.........I kind of liked Frantic off St. Anger as well.........

[Atrax robustus]

heh, ok well too bad its goes over your head.
I reckon its their best since Justice.
Thats just patronising. It definitely doesnt go over Plas' head.

Its all about opinions. Just because we dont like it as much... doesnt mean it "goes over our heads" just that we dont like the style.

[Atrax robustus]

IMO, they've become better musicians over the years..........
Thats a big thumbs up! :up:

Theyve continued to grow and push boundaries. They have always tried to break the norm and push the boat out.

Gotta hand it to 'em... they kick ass! :p

[LastSunrise1981]

maybe you should read my posts to see how deep my lips are into their rectum...



Skid Row broke through in 89, not even worth mentioning them, might as well mention Enuff Z'Nuff, Bang Tango, Tora Tora and Bulletboys
Quiet Riot is 80's hair metal, which did get some airplay, but they, together with Motley Crue and Ratt were the whole wave of bands against which Metallica and the whole speed metal/thrash/crossover scene was reveling against.
Judas Priest and Iron Maiden are from the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, a movement that influenced Metallica and many other thrash/speed metal bands, and they did break through, but until the late 80's, after tons of singles, videos, tours and other promotional stuff, Metallica did it without even resorting to videos
Led Zeppelin were amongst the first anti-hippie bands, people who consider them metal have not heard them throughly

just to show you how ignorant I am



as much as I love Megadeth (one of my favorite albums of theirs is So Far So Good, which most everybody hates), I have got to admit, Dave talks a lot, a lot, sometimes, specially when talking politics and issues like that, he has a very sharp mind and a sharper tounge, but when it comes to Metallica, he always comes out bitter



as far as I knew, To Live Is To Die is based on riffs that Cliff had made over the years, and the lyrics is an actual poem he wrote, which he considered to be his mantra, his whole outlook on life, this was their way of making him a tribute, My Friend Of Misery is Jason Newsted's own personal tribute to Cliff




the last two paragraphs you just say the same thing over and over... and try to make yourself better by beliteling me

but that's only your opinion

I only belittled you because you insulted me. Consider us even.

[PLAS]

heh, ok well too bad its goes over your head.
I reckon its their best since Justice.
exactly, just like Justice sounds all scooped and with no bass whatsoever, but the songs on Justice are heads above SA, St Anger has some great songs, I'm not denying that, but they just needed more time to polish them and cut the fat

the only problem in Justice is the final mix, but it's not that bad a mix that ruins the songs, which are amongst the most solid Metallica had made to that point

the problem with St Anger was the lackluster arrengements, unpolished songwriting and forced aggresiveness, I actually love the way it sounds, the guitars are huge and noisy and the drums pound like they used to, it feels really raw, but the songs should have been more tight

[PLAS]

Yeah. those drums sound really bad.

They sound much better on the Live DVD you get with it though.

Personally I thought St Anger lacked any kind of drive.
The songs, whilst thrashy and fast, seemed to lack the heart, melody, riffs and soul of other Metallica songs.
The lyrics felt forced and everything sounded so... so... tinny.

Im not knocking Metallica on 1 album though. Theyre still one of the greatest bands (in my opinion) and I look forward to their next album with baited breath.
:)

I just hope they dont make it like St Anger.

you understand exactly what I have been trying to say... one thing is playing fast just for shock value and something else is bursting into a storm because it helps the song, listen to Dispossable Heroes from Master Of Puppets, there's speed with intent, the not as fast parts state the point and the really fast parts take the point home and plant it firmly, there you have a song with great arrengements and loads of speed AND heav¡ness

[Supergirl]

okay, they only did three albums with Cliff, and saying that he was the spirit of Metallica is like saying that Brian Jones was the spirit of the Stones (there's idiots who say that), yes, he was a huge influence on the whole band, but he wasn't the be-all, end-all that some seem to put him to be

after Cliff died, instead of just quitting they did what no other metal band had donee before: they broke through the mainstream, they did albums that challanged them as musicians, composers, and people, they toured the world several times over, they went over some of the most unccompromising musical choices one could imagine and came through great

Blackened, Harvester Of Sorrow, To Live Is To Die, The God That Failed, Of Wolf And Man, 2 x 4, Enter Sandman, Sad But True, The Outlaw Thorn, Fuel, St Anger (yes), No Leaf Clover... these are just some of the great songs they did after Cliff died, and they can surely hold a candle to anything they've done

as far as the Mustaine comment, I love Megadeth, but that's just ignorant of you, according to that, Ride The Lighting would be the last good album they made, because that's where they used the material that they had that Dave had done with them

go get a dollar and buy yourself a clue
Here's my reasoning: I liked the albums (for the most part) that Metallica came out with after Cliff died. Did I like them nearly as much as the three they did with Cliff? No. Do I consider those albums to be full fledged Metallica? No. Just like I don't consider any Lynyrd Skynyrd album released after Skynyrd's First... And Last to be full fledged Skynyrd. Nor do I consider the Paul Rodgers line up to be anywhere near what Freddie Mercury was with Queen. To counter the argument about the Stones, if he hadn't died Brian was about to quit the band anyway. Cliff wasn't about to quit when he died, making it much harder to recover from. To me Metallica without Cliff seems like what Zeppelin would have been without Bonzo and Jones. But yes, this is just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

[Dangerous]

exactly, just like Justice sounds all scooped and with no bass whatsoever, but the songs on Justice are heads above SA, St Anger has some great songs, I'm not denying that, but they just needed more time to polish them and cut the fat

the only problem in Justice is the final mix, but it's not that bad a mix that ruins the songs, which are amongst the most solid Metallica had made to that point

the problem with St Anger was the lackluster arrengements, unpolished songwriting and forced aggresiveness, I actually love the way it sounds, the guitars are huge and noisy and the drums pound like they used to, it feels really raw, but the songs should have been more tight

I understand what ur saying, St Anger was very different in terms of song writing and the production was kinda red, but overall I really liked the strange sounding album.

An yea, Justice is mixed very badly.

[PLAS]

Here's my reasoning: I liked the albums (for the most part) that Metallica came out with after Cliff died. Did I like them nearly as much as the three they did with Cliff? No. Do I consider those albums to be full fledged Metallica? No. Just like I don't consider any Lynyrd Skynyrd album released after Skynyrd's First... And Last to be full fledged Skynyrd. Nor do I consider the Paul Rodgers line up to be anywhere near what Freddie Mercury was with Queen. To counter the argument about the Stones, if he hadn't died Brian was about to quit the band anyway. Cliff wasn't about to quit when he died, making it much harder to recover from. To me Metallica without Cliff seems like what Zeppelin would have been without Bonzo and Jones. But yes, this is just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
I will print your opinion and wipe my bum with it... while listening to Load http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/mad.gif

[Atrax robustus]

you understand exactly what I have been trying to say... one thing is playing fast just for shock value and something else is bursting into a storm because it helps the song, listen to Dispossable Heroes from Master Of Puppets, there's speed with intent, the not as fast parts state the point and the really fast parts take the point home and plant it firmly, there you have a song with great arrengements and loads of speed AND heav¡ness
Yeah St Anger was "fast" for the sake of having an album that was that way.

Some of the songs on it pretty good. But on a whole the album just doesnt cut it for me. That being said, I dont mind if Im at a party and its put on. Its still an ok album, I was just disappointed as I expected more from Metallica and believe theyre capable of so much more. More heart, more thought, more feeling... just MORE!

It felt a bit "hollow" to me. Shame....

Bring on the next one! :)

[Atrax robustus]

Nor do I consider the Paul Rodgers line up to be anywhere near what Freddie Mercury was with Queen. Neither do I.
But I went too see them in Newcastle and they were fantastic.

If thats how good they were with Rodgers, I can only dream of what they would have been like with Freddy.

Just because Rodgers aint Freddy dont miss them. They are still a fantastic show to go and see. Rodgers doesnt try to be Freddy, he does it in his own style and its awesome.

[Dangerous]

Check it-
Hetfield is selling lots of animals he has killed on ebay right now,
hahahahh Hetfield is cool

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZmetQ5fclub

[Supergirl]

Kinda hard for me not to miss them since I don't live in the UK :(

[Atrax robustus]

Kinda hard for me not to miss them since I don't live in the UK :(
Shame, it was an absolutely fantastic show.

[PLAS]

Yeah St Anger was "fast" for the sake of having an album that was that way.

Some of the songs on it pretty good. But on a whole the album just doesnt cut it for me. That being said, I dont mind if Im at a party and its put on. Its still an ok album, I was just disappointed as I expected more from Metallica and believe theyre capable of so much more. More heart, more thought, more feeling... just MORE!

It felt a bit "hollow" to me. Shame....

Bring on the next one! :)
amen to that brotha!!!

and yes, when Metallica releases their next album, I will be there in line to buy it the day it comes out, just like I've done with every album they've released since Justice

they just need to focus on making kick ass, honest songs

oh, changing the subject, did you see in SKOM that they gave Rob 1 million bucks just as a retainer for joining the band? does anybody think if he'll last in the fold? he's a really talented guy, just listen to the stuff he's done with Suicidal Tendencies, Infectious Grooves, Ozzy and more recently with Jerry Cantrell

[Dangerous]

Look at the variety of wildlife Hetfield has killed!!! ahahahah
hit the link, he is a legend.

[PLAS]

James Hetfield is the Bill Brasky of Metal

[PLAS]

http://www2.elkman.net/fark/isthatabanjo.jpg
he rocks even with a banjo!!!

http://bands.freepage.de/caf2/james01.jpg
he don't need no smiley face, cuz he's a badass

http://www.wearesoutfitting.com/images/james_buff.jpg
he kills animals with his bare hands, the gun is there just because he don't wanna look like a show off

http://www.kennyliu.com/brainfart/source/20040318/images/kennyhet.jpg
he feeds his fans to his prey, then he hunts his pray... this little boy doesn't know he's about to become breakfast for a grizzly bear

[PLAS]

http://www.novaeramagazine.com.ar/Noticias/Img/tbn_Metallica01.jpg
if you've been wondering where has Ricky Martin gone... here's the reality, he was killed by James and fed to his fans, which were then fed to a pack of mad bobcats, and then hunted by James

[Man-Thing]

James is getting old.
http://img103.echo.cx/img103/4152/jamesny18lh.jpg
still the coolest leadman in rock though.

[Man-Thing]

amen to that brotha!!!

and yes, when Metallica releases their next album, I will be there in line to buy it the day it comes out, just like I've done with every album they've released since Justice

they just need to focus on making kick ass, honest songs

oh, changing the subject, did you see in SKOM that they gave Rob 1 million bucks just as a retainer for joining the band? does anybody think if he'll last in the fold? he's a really talented guy, just listen to the stuff he's done with Suicidal Tendencies, Infectious Grooves, Ozzy and more recently with Jerry Cantrell
I think rob will do awesome in Metallica. Have you heard his bass solo from the Madly in Anger tour? It's really cool, he gets that high pitch distortion sound that cliff got.

[Supergirl]

So Plas, the best retort to my comments you could come up with was that you wiped your bum with them? How mature :rolleyes:

[Man-Thing]

What is the essential Metallica song?

I can't think of one, but here's what comes to me.

Master of Puppets
Unnamed feeling
Creeping Death
Harvester of Sorrow

[Slipknot]

I don't care how many of their albums you have bought, if you can't contribute to their success by buying an album then you shouldn't be able to steal it.
Downloading music for free can help artists just as much as it hurts them. I will check out a new band and download an album of theres for free... then, if I really like them I will go out and buy a shirt of theres, maybe a album, and I will go to the place every band makes the real money from... there shows. Bands make the big money from touring, not from selling cds. I have discovered more bands downloading music than I could have ever imagined. I go to there shows, I buy there merchandise, and I sometimes even buy there cd's. What more can you ask of someone that would have never bought something from you in the first place if he hadn't discovered you through P2P?

[PLAS]

I think rob will do awesome in Metallica. Have you heard his bass solo from the Madly in Anger tour? It's really cool, he gets that high pitch distortion sound that cliff got.
where can I get it? I have some recent live metallica stuff, but no solos, he does pound away on Damage Inc. I have it here somewhere... Rob is one of the most underrated bassplayers around, he's up there with Flea and Claypool, but he needs more recognition, hopefully this gig will get him the due respect he deserves

[Supergirl]

What is the essential Metallica song?

I can't think of one, but here's what comes to me.

Master of Puppets
Unnamed feeling
Creeping Death
Harvester of SorrowAs much as I think it's an overrated and overplayed song, probably Enter Sandman. My favorite is Welcome Home (Sanitarium)

[PLAS]

So Plas, the best retort to my comments you could come up with was that you wiped your bum with them? How mature :rolleyes:
grow a ****ing sense of humor dammit, it was a great post, but I needed to amuse myself... can't some people take a joke?

[Supergirl]

Downloading music for free can help artists just as much as it hurts them. I will check out a new band and download a album of theres for free... then, if I really like them I will go out and buy a shirt of theres, maybe a album, and I will go to the place every band makes the real money from... there shows. Bands make the big money from touring, not from selling cds.
I personally started listening to Dream Theater via downloads, but have now bought all but three of their albums (those three I haven't only because they are unavailible in my town. Eventually I'll get them from Wal-Mart.com or some other viable alternative.) I'm also a big advocate for making copies of your albums on your computer, because I've had full collections of real CD's stolen from me not once but twice. (Including every Metallica CD EACH time, because the first time I respected their wishes and didn't make hard copies, and rebought the CDs. The last time I had them ripped to my computer, and will not be spending the hundreds of dollars to replace them again.)

[Supergirl]

grow a ****ing sense of humor dammit, it was a great post, but I needed to amuse myself... can't some people take a joke?
I'm sorry but I was expecting a well developed counter post, like you had posted elsewhere in the thread, my bad.

[PLAS]

As much as I think it's an overrated and overplayed song, probably Enter Sandman. My favorite is Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Enter Sandman is overplayed, but if you look into it, it's a perfect example of what Metallica does in a nutshell

Sanitarium is one of those songs that never get old

And Justice For All is also a great, epic song, just like the call of ktullu

[Man-Thing]

I personally started listening to Dream Theater via downloads, but have now bought all but three of their albums (those three I haven't only because they are unavailible in my town. Eventually I'll get them from Wal-Mart.com or some other viable alternative.) I'm also a big advocate for making copies of your albums on your computer, because I've had full collections of real CD's stolen from me not once but twice. (Including every Metallica CD EACH time, because the first time I respected their wishes and didn't make hard copies, and rebought the CDs. The last time I had them ripped to my computer, and will not be spending the hundreds of dollars to replace them again.)
that's fair use, that's not illegal.

[Man-Thing]

Downloading music for free can help artists just as much as it hurts them. I will check out a new band and download an album of theres for free... then, if I really like them I will go out and buy a shirt of theres, maybe a album, and I will go to the place every band makes the real money from... there shows. Bands make the big money from touring, not from selling cds. I have discovered more bands downloading music than I could have ever imagined. I go to there shows, I buy there merchandise, and I sometimes even buy there cd's. What more can you ask of someone that would have never bought something from you in the first place if he hadn't discovered you through P2P?
If the artist and their record company want to have people down load it, hey more power to them.
If they don't, that's when it's unethical IMO.
You can say because you download that you benefit the band by _________, it really doesn't matter. Many people say that, hardly any of them would be able to back it up. The ends do not justify the means.

[Supergirl]

If the artist and their record company want to have people down load it, hey more power to them.
If they don't, that's when it's unethical IMO.
You can say because you download that you benefit the band by _________, it really doesn't matter. Many people say that, hardly any of them would be able to back it up. The ends do not justify the means.
So testing someone's music and buying it if you like it is unethical? Like I said, I started listening to Dream Theater buy means of DLs and have now bought nine of their 12 albums and am trying to find the other 3. I know a lot of people that do that, and can verify by looking at their CD collections that 90% of them are real disks. The only reason that 90% of mine aren't is that twice I've had 200+ CDs stolen from my car. Believe it or not; in interviews where the question of what to do when the music is stolen from a fan; Lars actually said that they should buy it all over again. I'm sorry but thats unfair to fans.

[Man-Thing]

So testing someone's music and buying it if you like it is unethical? Like I said, I started listening to Dream Theater buy means of DLs and have now bought nine of their 12 albums and am trying to find the other 3. I know a lot of people that do that, and can verify by looking at their CD collections that 90% of them are real disks. The only reason that 90% of mine aren't is that twice I've had 200+ CDs stolen from my car. Believe it or not; in interviews where the question of what to do when the music is stolen from a fan; Lars actually said that they should buy it all over again. I'm sorry but thats unfair to fans.
Is it Dream Theater that allows you to download? How does their record company feel about it if so?

How is it Lars' fault if your music was stolen from your car? Why should his life be affected even in the smallest detail because of your misfortune. Metallica has a great fan base, and they are very generous to their fans. Don't make Lars seem immoral because of what you preceive is his moral dilema.

[Supergirl]

Is it Dream Theater that allows you to download? How does their record company feel about it if so?

How is it Lars' fault if your music was stolen from your car? Why should his life be affected even in the smallest detail because of your misfortune. Metallica has a great fan base, and they are very generous to their fans. Don't make Lars seem immoral because of what you preceive is his moral dilema.
I don't know how Dream Theater feels about it, but the fact of the matter is that if I hadn't downloaded them I would have never started to listen to them. Therefore I wouldn't have spent over $300 on their CD's and DVDs. I've done the same with many other bands.

It's not Lars's fault, I never said that it was. But according to him it's illegal for me to have a back up on my computer in case something like that happens. As I said before, the first time it happened I didn't have that hard copy, because I respected their wishes. I then went and spent an absurd ammount of money buying all of their albums a second time. If I had not made the copies that time I would have had to spend my hard earned money on them for a third time.

By the way, way to contradict yourself. First you say that its a fair and legal thing than you completely flip to the other side defending Lars's argument that it's not.

[Man-Thing]

I don't know how Dream Theater feels about it, but the fact of the matter is that if I hadn't downloaded them I would have never started to listen to them. Therefore I wouldn't have spent over $300 on their CD's and DVDs. I've done the same with many other bands.

It's not Lars's fault, I never said that it was. But according to him it's illegal for me to have a back up on my computer in case something like that happens. As I said before, the first time it happened I didn't have that hard copy, because I respected their wishes. I then went and spent an absurd ammount of money buying all of their albums a second time. If I had not made the copies that time I would have had to spend my hard earned money on them for a third time.

By the way, way to contradict yourself. First you say that its a fair and legal thing than you completely flip to the other side defending Lars's argument that it's not.

You didn't give the context in which he made that quote. If he's talking about having a back up copy on your computer then I disagree with him. I probably misread what you said. Fair use laws say you can have a back up copy, you just can't share it.

[Slipknot]

You can say because you download that you benefit the band by _________, it really doesn't matter. Many people say that, hardly any of them would be able to back it up.
I just went to a Killswitch Engage/As I Lay Dying/Once Beloved concert last night. I discovered them via downloading the album "The End Of Heartache" and I enjoyed it. I then went out and bought a shirt... and I actually bought "The End Of Heartache" cd at Strawberries too. I went to the concert last night and bought a shirt along with being apart of there DVD to be released in October I believe (which I will definitely be buying). I have spent around 70 dollars of my own money towards Killswitch Engage merchandise when I would have never gotten into them if I hadn't downloaded and listened to there album. If you want me to "back it up" then I can take a picture of myself holding my ticket, and "The End Of Heartache" cd along with myself wearing/holding the KSE shirts.

[Slipknot]

Fair use laws say you can have a back up copy, you just can't share it.
Didn't Sony try and put a cd protection on some of there cd releases? It doesn't allow you to rip the album to your computer and it also doesn't work in many portable cd players. It didn't go over too well for Sony, you buy and album and you can't even listen to it in your cd player.

[PLAS]

I download lots of albums on a daily basis, the ones that have what it takes, get bought by me

I guess it's fair, if your album is not good enough, I don't buy it, if I like it, I buy it

[Dangerous]

Sheesh, Hetfield has a grey beard! he is gettin old.

some of my fav songs are-

Harvester of sorrow
one
creeping death
frantic
blackened
batery
master of puppets

[PLAS]

they should remaster ...And Justice For All and have St. Anger edited of all the repeated parts, I bet it would be a whole lot shorter, but much more effective

[jks]

I thought St Anger was badass, btw has Hetfield become religious now?You're probably thinking of dave mustaine

[jks]

Metallica's first four albums are as amazing as it gets. However, they died when Cliff was killed and their drive, hunger, and talent as musicians died along with him it seemed.And yet progressed beyond riffs filled with nothing but power chords after cliff died.....

Plus, you know, they did run out of Mustaines riffs.
Which is why their songs got better.

[Man-Thing]

they should remaster ...And Justice For All and have St. Anger edited of all the repeated parts, I bet it would be a whole lot shorter, but much more effective
The SKOM movie ep has the song SKOM remixed with normal drums. It sounds great.
I think they should remix the first 4 albums with Hetfield laying down new vocals.

[jks]

I have a right to my opinion; and unlike you, I do have a clue and maybe you need to pry your lips away from Metallica's rectum and think realistically for once.Then pull yours away from mustaine's rectum and think logically for once

Metallica isn't Metallica anymore. Their first four albums were amazing, and yes, they did break into the mainstream. But so did Skid Row, Quiet Riot, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, and even Iron Maiden in some points. So once again, your point falls pointless and shows just how ignorant you are.Funny how you left megadeth off that list, even though they put out far more mainstream material than metallica ever did.

Even Mustaine himself says they used his riffs on MOP. But of course, if he wanted he could sue and what not, but he's not going to since he's made a pretty good penny off of Metallica and Megadeth too.Or perhaps he's talking out of his ass, like mustaine is notorious for doing. THINK LOGICALLY for a change, why would metallica credit mustaine for all of his material on kea and rtl, then not on mop?

And you do know that "To Live Is To Die" also has some music and lyrics written by Burton too, right? Next.Actually, those lyrics were NOT written by burton. They were taken from a book who's name escapes me. Next.

Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, and Justice For All are all great Metallica albums. But anything afterwards is either straight out mediocre, or straight out pure and simple crap.Just like post RIP megadeth.

I will always LOVE Metallica's first four albums, but just because I find their later stuff to be **** doesn't make me ignorant, if anything it makes you ignorant for insulting people who have a different opinion.No, it makes YOU ignorant because you can't accept that another band is in the exact same rut.

[PLAS]

You're probably thinking of dave mustaine
he's been a very religious person for a while now

[jks]

they should remaster ...And Justice For All and have St. Anger edited of all the repeated parts, I bet it would be a whole lot shorter, but much more effective
There are some edited tracks from ajfa circulating that have audible bass parts added, and the edit of the song "some kind of monster" is defineitely an improvement.

[jks]

he's been a very religious person for a while now
And a blithering idiot because of it....but that's a whole new story....

[PLAS]

The SKOM movie ep has the song SKOM remixed with normal drums. It sounds great.
I think they should remix the first 4 albums with Hetfield laying down new vocals.
I like James' squeaky scream vocals from those albums, it shows how he's matured as a singer over the years

from the squeaky yelp of Kill'em All and Ride... to the more focused screms in Master, the "my voice is changing" phase during Garage days, then the Bad Ass Growl in Justice to the SinGrowl in the black album and to the full fledged singing in the load albums

St Anger shows him covering all those bases, but many of the vocal melodies are kinda off, not gripping enough

[PLAS]

There are some edited tracks from ajfa circulating that have audible bass parts added, and the edit of the song "some kind of monster" is defineitely an improvement.
they should remaster it and release it in 2008 as a 20th aniversay edition, like they should do with Master, but that one is already perfect as it is... maybe in a deluxe package with actual liner notes

[LastSunrise1981]

Then pull yours away from mustaine's rectum and think logically for once

Funny how you left megadeth off that list, even though they put out far more mainstream material than metallica ever did.

Or perhaps he's talking out of his ass, like mustaine is notorious for doing. THINK LOGICALLY for a change, why would metallica credit mustaine for all of his material on kea and rtl, then not on mop?

Actually, those lyrics were NOT written by burton. They were taken from a book who's name escapes me. Next.

Just like post RIP megadeth.

No, it makes YOU ignorant because you can't accept that another band is in the exact same rut.

1) My lips are not planted on Mustaine's rectum. I just find him to be a better overall musician than Metallica, as far as success is concerned, then yes Metallica owns Megadeth in the department of mainstream success and so forth. But, it does not make Metallica the better overall band.

2) Megadeth's mainstream started with Countdown To Extinction, then progressed to Youthanasia, and of course Cryptic Writings. It came out full force with Risk, and of course, that was when Mustaine was still trying to get even with Metallica and outdo them on the music charts.

3) Because Mustaine mentioned on countless interviews he told them NOT to use his music, even if they did credit him for it, he still didn't want them using it in the first place. But as I said before, I question his words and his integrity on it, mainly due to the fact that as he got successful himself he could've filed a lawsuit and what not.

4) Read the And Justice For All Booklet again smartie, you'll see that it says lyrics written by Cliff Burton. Next.

5) Megadeth's albums are really good, except for Risk of course.

6) I love old Metallica, I will always love their first four albums. But I've always preferred Megadeth to Metallica, not because of Mustaine's past history with Metallica, but I've always enjoyed the creativity and the complexity of the riffs Dave has created through his years of metal. If that makes me ignorant, then so be it. I appreciate musicianship and I don't appreciate guys like Metallica who are going through the motions.

And I'll say it again, Metallica died when Cliff was killed. End of story.

[LastSunrise1981]

I like James' squeaky scream vocals from those albums, it shows how he's matured as a singer over the years

from the squeaky yelp of Kill'em All and Ride... to the more focused screms in Master, the "my voice is changing" phase during Garage days, then the Bad Ass Growl in Justice to the SinGrowl in the black album and to the full fledged singing in the load albums

St Anger shows him covering all those bases, but many of the vocal melodies are kinda off, not gripping enough

I think James was at his vocal peak during RTL and MOP. Of course, he was really good during And Justice. But as far as singing is concerned, his voice during RTL and MOP were just amazing in my opinion.

I don't know. I guess I just miss him singing MOP the way he did when he was younger, it just seems like the crowd singing the chorus just ruins the entire song for me.

He did mention he damaged his voice one time. Which obviously explains his current singing now.

[jks]

1) My lips are not planted on Mustaine's rectum. Looks otherwise to me I just find him to be a better overall musician than Metallica, as far as success is concerned, then yes Metallica owns Megadeth in the department of mainstream success and so forth. But, it does not make Metallica the better overall band.Ok, now what does that have to do with anything?

2) Megadeth's mainstream started with Countdown To Extinction, then progressed to Youthanasia, and of course Cryptic Writings. It came out full force with Risk, and of course, that was when Mustaine was still trying to get even with Metallica and outdo them on the music charts.Gooood

3) Because Mustaine mentioned on countless interviews he told them NOT to use his music, even if they did credit him for it, he still didn't want them using it in the first place.Doesn't matter. They had every LEGAL right to use it. But as I said before, I question his words and his integrity on it, mainly due to the fact that as he got successful himself he could've filed a lawsuit and what not.But he's filing lawsuits against even his former bass player, surely if he contributed to mop, he would have done SOMETHING about it.....

4) Read the And Justice For All Booklet again smartie, you'll see that it says lyrics written by Cliff Burton. Next.Read my post again. The words to tlitd were taken from a book, and I have seen this. Next.

5) Megadeth's albums are really good, except for Risk of course.And CW, twnah, and tshf

6) I love old Metallica, I will always love their first four albums. But I've always preferred Megadeth to Metallica, not because of Mustaine's past history with Metallica, but I've always enjoyed the creativity and the complexity of the riffs Dave has created through his years of metal.Good for you. If that makes me ignorant, then so be it.No, I already said what made you ignorant. I appreciate musicianship and I don't appreciate guys like Metallica who are going through the motions.Just like megadeth

And I'll say it again, Metallica died when Cliff was killed. End of story.
And that only makes you look even more foolish and ignorant. End of story.

[Slipknot]

And a blithering idiot because of it....but that's a whole new story....
In ways, yes. But he still seems to hate everyone the same as he always did. He just now comes up with random **** at times dealing with Christianity.

[PLAS]

now for a little bit of discussion... it's been stated that the first four albums were the best, now... does anybody have a least favortie song on each one of those or a song that you think just doesn't cut it?

in Kill'em All, I'd say that Phantom Lord or Metal Militia... Motorhead is not that much of a winner either

in Ride The Lighting I'd have to say Escape... really weak song compared to the others which are nothing short of classic

Master Of Puppets is perfect, not even an okay song, everything is excellent

Justice has one song which is not that memorable, but I forgot which one is it

[Dangerous]

The SKOM movie ep has the song SKOM remixed with normal drums. It sounds great.
I think they should remix the first 4 albums with Hetfield laying down new vocals.

HELLLLLL NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

He could never scream like he does on Kill em all anymore.
Thats one of the coolest things about the first 4 albums, -
How James' vocal style changes.
I don't want em all to sound the same.

That is a totally gay idea.

[Dangerous]

First 4 albums are the best by a LOOONNNNG shot.

[PLAS]

First 4 albums are the best by a LOOONNNNG shot.
each album has its different things, they all have something to offer

[Atrax robustus]

If I had to pick Metallicas best song, Id go for

ONE.

Its the most moving piece they do (IMO).
Theres so much energy, and heart in that song that its frightening.

The perfect mix of slow atmospheric and fast paced in your face.

Sheer Quality

[PLAS]

Better Than You is by far one of their worse songs

[Man-Thing]

Carpe Diem is really under rated. It's heavy!

[SpideyInATree]

It's about time this thread was done. :up:

I love all of Metallica's albums. From Kill 'Em All to Saint Anger. They do something that a lot of bands can't do, and that's mature and experiment with music.

What Metallica does to grab me are their lyrics. Load is a great album musically and lyrically...it sucked me into the world of Metallica and I was addicted for life.

My favorite album is, easily, Master of Puppets. It's the perfect example of an album. And if Metallica were to have released that today it'd blow every single piece of music out there away.

As for file sharing...I didn't really agree with Metallica on that front. I could see where they were coming from with it but they really hurt a lot of music fans. If it wasn't for file sharing and music downloading I wouldn't be into half the music I'm into right now. I've been able to expand my musical horizons and really get out there and find some great artists (I've also found a lot of crappy ones too). But if I enjoy something I'm going to buy it, plain and simple. If I download something and it's horrible...I don't buy it.

Personally, file sharing is a great idea and music artists should think about it instead of complaining about money. You have to TRY and make your music good. And, these days, a lot of the newer music I've been hearing just isn't that good. I literally feel sorry for some of these younger kids who have to grow up being force fed some of this crap. But anyway...

Metal Up Your Ass!!

[Jason Blood]

Orion is the best song they ever made

EVER

[PLAS]

Orion is a great song

[Equinox]

Orion is a great song

I second that and say that Master of Puppets was the greatest Rock Ballad ever.. It will kick any other songs ass :o

[Equinox]

Metallica still OWN all with their live shows :o

And Im waiting for the new album, now with Rob in the band :up:

[jks]

Metallica is just about the best live act out there.

[JLBats]

Funny I should see this thread just as I start playing Unforgiven.

[Equinox]

Funny I should see this thread just as I start playing Unforgiven.

LoL..They have a 24hr All Metallica Radio in AOL..But the damn thing jus doesnt work in my computer :o :mad:

[PLAS]

*in Hetfield grunty voice*

yeah!!!!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

no, that's: "YEE-AH-EE-YEAH-UH! :mad: "
:)

[Equinox]

Which song do you guys think is the best lyrics wise?

[Dr.Fear]

mettalica kinda sucks.

[Equinox]

mettalica kinda sucks.

And this is a metallica appreciation thread..Dont post here if you dont like them :up:

[dpm07]

Not a big metal fan, but Metallica is clearly a talented group, and very versatile as their history has illustrated.

[Dr.Fear]

maybe this is more fitting. i dont appreciate thier music. the only song of thiers i liked was the MI@ soundtrack. or was it the original?

[Slipknot]

mettalica kinda sucks.
If you are going to criticize a band you should atleast make an effort to spell the bands name correctly.

[LastSunrise1981]

Which song do you guys think is the best lyrics wise?

Lyric wise? Well, I have to say James best lyrics were from RTL to And Justice For All. I'll go a bit further and say The Unforgiven is his lyrical masterpiece, but anything from RTL to And Justice For All is great in terms of lyrics and musicianship.

[PLAS]

Lyric wise? Well, I have to say James best lyrics were from RTL to And Justice For All. I'll go a bit further and say The Unforgiven is his lyrical masterpiece, but anything from RTL to And Justice For All is great in terms of lyrics and musicianship.
I beg to differ, Master Of Puppets interwines all the songs into one theme, and the lyrics are just incredible

[jks]

lyrically I prefer everything from TBA forward because it's more personnal and can have many different meanings for many different people, as opposed to the political stuff from ajfa back.

[Equinox]

I think Fade to black was one of their best lyrical songs from their early days.. and Unforgiven from TBA.. But the most heartfelt song that James has written is Mama said

[PLAS]

lyrically I prefer everything from TBA forward because it's more personnal and can have many different meanings for many different people, as opposed to the political stuff from ajfa back.
specially "trapped under ice" which reffers to that oh-so-personal situation of being trapped under ice, you know, that's a song I can relate to on a very personal level

and let's not talk about "creeping death" which narrates the death of all the first born sons of the egypitan as told by the bible, yup, all those times that I have painted the door of my house with blood of a lamb I had just sacrificed, good times indeed

what about the title track? yes, every time I am put on the electric chair I even sing that song, just to make the experience a little bit more amusing?

did I tell you about the time I was fighting in the spanish civil war next to Ernest Hemmingway? well, we were cranking up "for whom the bell tolls" that time, and we drank like thirsty pillagers, yes we did


forget about this, I clearly read the wrong album.... I thought it was RTL

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

The only Metallica CD I have was the black album and my mom stole it from me....that *****. What other CD's should I get?

[Equinox]

The only Metallica CD I have was the black album and my mom stole it from me....that *****. What other CD's should I get?

If you like the heavy stuff.. Master of puppets and Ride the lightning..You can get And justice for all(One is my fav song in that)..

For the lighter stuff.. Load and Reload :(

Master of Puppets is a must :o

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

If you like the heavy stuff.. Master of puppets and Ride the lightning..You can get And justice for all(One is my fav song in that)..

For the lighter stuff.. Load and Reload :(

Master of Puppets is a must :o
I used to have some of the Ride the lightning and Master of puppets stuff downloaded and On a CD, but it got scratched. I like the heavy stuff better.:o

[Equinox]

I used to have some of the Ride the lightning and Master of puppets stuff downloaded and On a CD, but it got scratched. I like the heavy stuff better.:o

Everyone likes the heavier stuff better :D

It defines Metallica :o

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

Everyone likes the heavier stuff better :D

It defines Metallica :o
Yeah, but songs like fuel are catchy.

What about the song they recorded for the mission impossible soundtrack, was that every put on another CD besides that one?

[Equinox]

Yeah, but songs like fuel are catchy.

What about the song they recorded for the mission impossible soundtrack, was that every put on another CD besides that one?

No.. They considered putting it on the st. anger cd at one point.. But they decided against it for some reason

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

No.. They considered putting it on the st. anger cd at one point.. But they decided against it for some reason
Bastards! I love that song! :down:(

[PLAS]

Everyone likes the heavier stuff better :D

It defines Metallica :o
it all defines them, the heavy stuff, the light stuff, the experimental stuff

[Equinox]

it all defines them, the heavy stuff, the light stuff, the experimental stuff

Yeah I agree.. But they got famous through their earlier stuff first.. Although I like everything they got out.. I appreciate them for experimenting with different kinds of music without worrying about being labelled as sell outs..You need to have the balls to do that

[PLAS]

No.. They considered putting it on the st. anger cd at one point.. But they decided against it for some reason
that song is just not St Anger material, it's too short and not as repetitive

[Super Kal]

I bought St. Anger just because I had a dream about it

[PLAS]

I bought St. Anger just because I had a dream about it
was it a nightmare of a wet dream?

[Equinox]

I bought St. Anger just because I had a dream about it

I own all their albums except the Garage days cd's.. Do you guys know if they are worth it?

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

that song is just not St Anger material, it's too short and not as repetitive
So...St Anger wasn't very good?

[Supergirl]

Garage Inc is definitely worth it, in my opinion. Some great covers on it :up:

[Equinox]

So...St Anger wasn't very good?

Well, I liked a few songs in st.anger like frantic, the title track, some kind of monster, invisible kid and the unnamed feeling.. The others were jus so-so IMO

[PLAS]

Garage Days Revisited is the B side for the Creeping Death single that was issued back in 85 by Music For Nations, it's just Am I Evil and Blitzkrieg, those songs were included later in the reissued version of Kill'em All that Elektra did in 88, when they released ...And Justice For All, if you find a Megaforce records vinyl copy of KEA you will see that those two songs are not included, but if you have the Elektra records version they are there

The 5.98$ E.P. Garage Days Re-Revisited was an EP that Metallica recorded after MOP and before AJFA, kinda like a way to break Jason into the band, here they included just five (or six if you're counting the actual songs) tracks that cover their influences, from Budgie to the Misfits, to Diamond Head and Killing Joke... this album was a little bit more difficult to find, but it could be found, it became a hunt item after AJFA became a hit

Garage Inc. is a completely different thing, it's basically all the covers these guys had recorded to that point, they put the first two eps there with the covers they did forr b-sides on all the black album singles plus almost another dozen of songs they love and there you have it, double album

[Super Kal]

was it a nightmare of a wet dream?
actually, I'm into wrestling, so it was before 2003's Summerslam had come out, and I just had a dream about wrestling and the song St. Anger

[PLAS]

actually, I'm into wrestling, so it was before 2003's Summerslam had come out, and I just had a dream about we=restling and the song St. Anger
men in thights touching each other violently with ferocious music in the background while thousands watch such act

-rampant homoeroticism? check!
-spandex fetish? check!
-vouyerism? check!
-metal? check!!!

[Equinox]

men in thights touching each other violently with ferocious music in the background while thousands watch such act

-rampant homoeroticism? check!
-spandex fetish? check!
-vouyerism? check!
-metal? check!!!

Abusive language? Check
Drinking beer like never before? Check
100% Whoop ass guaranteed? Check
Rattlesnake from texas? Check

Stone cold steve austin DAMMITT :o

[jks]

specially "trapped under ice" which reffers to that oh-so-personal situation of being trapped under ice, you know, that's a song I can relate to on a very personal level

and let's not talk about "creeping death" which narrates the death of all the first born sons of the egypitan as told by the bible, yup, all those times that I have painted the door of my house with blood of a lamb I had just sacrificed, good times indeed

what about the title track? yes, every time I am put on the electric chair I even sing that song, just to make the experience a little bit more amusing?

did I tell you about the time I was fighting in the spanish civil war next to Ernest Hemmingway? well, we were cranking up "for whom the bell tolls" that time, and we drank like thirsty pillagers, yes we did


forget about this, I clearly read the wrong album.... I thought it was RTL



I have no idea why you quoted me and replied with that.........

[patrickbateman]

I'd Like To Thank Metallica For That Whole Napster Thing

[jks]

I'd Like To Thank Metallica For That Whole Napster Thing
Yeah, how dare they think they should be able to control their own property........

[PLAS]

I have no idea why you quoted me and replied with that.........
I had a long night, and it swerved into the day :o in the italics I specefy

[Man-Thing]

Fianlly some news :) (http://news.softpedia.com/news/METALLICA-Opens-ROLLING-STONES-Concert-5829.shtml)

[Equinox]

Hell Frigging Yeah :up:

But I dont live in the bay area :( .. I guess Id have to wait again for them to do a tour around america.. :)

[Man-Thing]

WOuldn't it be cool if Metallica played Paint it Black? I would love to go to that show.

[Equinox]

WOuldn't it be cool if Metallica played Paint it Black? I would love to go to that show.

Yeah..Its been a year since I went to their last concert :(

[Carter]

I saw them 2 years ago Summer Sanitarium Giants Stadium

It was very good

[Man-Thing]

Yeah..Its been a year since I went to their last concert :(
It's been since the Reload tour for me. :(

[Equinox]

It's been since the Reload tour for me. :(

Why did you miss last years tour???

[Man-Thing]

I didn't have any vacation days left. :(

[Addendum]

The first casette I got was Metallica's black album. I was in 7th grade and played it so much it literally snapped. From Metallica, I then discovered other metal bands such as Slayer, Venom, Heathen, Testament, Exodus, Sabbat (U.K.) to name a few.

I'm not a big Metallica fan as I once was. I still play their first 3 albums occasionally, but I'm playing more High on Fire, Sleep, Nevermore, Opeth, and Morbid Angel than I do Metallica

[Equinox]

The first casette I got was Metallica's black album. I was in 7th grade and played it so much it literally snapped. From Metallica, I then discovered other metal bands such as Slayer, Venom, Heathen, Testament, Exodus, Sabbat (U.K.) to name a few.

I'm not a big Metallica fan as I once was. I still play their first 3 albums occasionally, but I'm playing more High on Fire, Sleep, Nevermore, Opeth, and Morbid Angel than I do Metallica

Metallica were started the whole metal wave for other bands to follow :up:

[Addendum]

Metallica was one of many bands to hitch a ride on the "metal wave". Before Metallica, there was Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Venom, Witchfinder General and others in the NWOBHM. Before those bands were Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Blue Cheer.

Metallica just had a bigger wave than most. I'll give them that.

[Equinox]

Metallica was one of many bands to hitch a ride on the "metal wave". Before Metallica, there was Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Venom, Witchfinder General and others in the NWOBHM. Before those bands were Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Blue Cheer.

Metallica just had a bigger wave than most. I'll give them that.

The bigger wave is the one that counts :D ;)

[Addendum]

A bigger wave doesn't mean they created the ocean

[Equinox]

A bigger wave doesn't mean they created the ocean

But they were the Big Blue whale or the great white shark in it :o

[Addendum]

Key word being "were"

[Equinox]

Key word being "were"

And still are..I dont see any current metal bands having their wave of popularity still

[Addendum]

By popularity, you mean appearing on VH-1?

[Equinox]

By popularity, you mean appearing on VH-1?

They still remain one of the biggest concert draws all over the US.. and yeah, appearing on VH1..I dont see wats so fussy abt that

[Addendum]

If they're big concert draws, great for them. I'll choose a Nevermore concert or a Primus concert over a current Metallica concert.

[Equinox]

If they're big concert draws, great for them. I'll choose a Nevermore concert or a Primus concert over a current Metallica concert.

And maybe you can choose a different thread too..This is a METALLICA APPRECIATION THREAD..enuf said..lets stop arguing :up:

[Addendum]

I'm not arguing. I'm just stating that I don't like them as much as I did when I was younger, which was essentially "If it's not Metallica, it's *****". I find their first 3 albums to be essential in any metal collection, but the current state of Metallica isn't the end-all be-all of metal.

[PLAS]

St Anger = Audio Toilet Paper

[Equinox]

St Anger = Audio Toilet Paper

And you can get out of the toilet without using it :o

[PLAS]

And you can get out of the toilet without using it :o
I don't get it :confused:

[Equinox]

I don't get it :confused:

Im sorry, I meant cant get out of the toilet without using it :D

[PLAS]

Im sorry, I meant cant get out of the toilet without using it :D
I still don't get it

[Wilhelm-Scream]

it's weird to me that everyone hates Lars.
I was just watching a documentary about Ozzy last night and all the interview clips with Lars made me love him.
He's smart and funny and he takes no crap.
And he's the least "white-trash" guy in the band.

[Equinox]

I still don't get it

Somethings are better left unexplained :o

[Equinox]

it's weird to me that everyone hates Lars.
I was just watching a documentary about Ozzy last night and all the interview clips with Lars made me love him.
He's smart and funny and he takes no crap.
And he's the least "white-trash" guy in the band.

Yeah, hes the no-nonsense guy in the band and always, people who talk out loud abt their opinions are usually the ones who end up with a lot of flak from everybody :(

[jks]

it's weird to me that everyone hates Lars.
I was just watching a documentary about Ozzy last night and all the interview clips with Lars made me love him.
He's smart and funny and he takes no crap.
And he's the least "white-trash" guy in the band.

It's because he actually has the nerve to *gasp* protect his property from theft

[jks]

yeah

[Equinox]

Kick ass pic of Hetfield :eek: :up:

http://www.metallica.com/ivergence/image/sept2005_pic02.jpg

http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=12585

[SpideyInATree]

Hell yeah...Metallica on the Simpsons. I heard this on the radio Friday morning. Too bad the episode isn't going to air until May.

[droogiedroogie2]

Without reading the thread, I have to ask Man-Thing if he started this thread just so he could get flamed. It's so fashionable to trash Metallica right now. And granted, St. Anger eats poop, no doubt. And no doubt, Metallica bull****ted their fans for months, talking about "getting back to roots" and all that ****. But I'll go ahead and say I really like all the other records, and even own St. Anger--I don't take good enough care of my CDs to sell them if I don't like them.

[Dr Doom]

I own every CD too. But I'm still mad I wasted my money on St. Anger.

[LastSunrise1981]

If they're big concert draws, great for them. I'll choose a Nevermore concert or a Primus concert over a current Metallica concert.

Nevermore= :up: :up:

Love their new album The Godless Endeavor.

Metallica was awesome during Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, although afterwards their talent and their great songs just went down the tubes in my opinion.

Many people call it experimentation and signs of great musicians, which is all well and dandy, yet experimentations can sound good and none of those "experimentation" albums strike any chord with me. But that's still just me and people are free to disagree or agree.

I will say that I'd love to hear Metallica release an all acoustic album.

[Alexafades2blak]

OMG I HAVENT BEEN ON THE HYPE FOR LIKE WAT A DAY? AND ALREADY 9 PAGES OF METALLICA TALKIng! i dont really care wat anyone says about metallica i effing love them no matter wat! i luv st.anger i luv everything they have made... i own all their dvd's and cd's of course!!! my avatar and username is based on them o and so is my myspace =) ok got no more to say.... o and i wish to marry james 1 day =/

[Dr Doom]

Well, this started in July, so whats so amazing about it.

[Alexafades2blak]

o i c so who decided 2 bring it back?

[Dr Doom]

Equinox

[SpideyInATree]

He had good reason to bump this mofo with Metallica's future appearance in an episode of The Simpsons :up:

[Dr Doom]

Bah, I've lostinterest in Simpsons. Same as Metallica.

[Equinox]

OMG I HAVENT BEEN ON THE HYPE FOR LIKE WAT A DAY? AND ALREADY 9 PAGES OF METALLICA TALKIng! i dont really care wat anyone says about metallica i effing love them no matter wat! i luv st.anger i luv everything they have made... i own all their dvd's and cd's of course!!! my avatar and username is based on them o and so is my myspace =) ok got no more to say.... o and i wish to marry james 1 day =/

Your avvy is cool..Oh and 94.7 the zone ROCKS :o :up:

The best rock station in chicago :ghost:

[Supergirl]

Nevermore= :up: :up:

Love their new album The Godless Endeavor.

Metallica was awesome during Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, although afterwards their talent and their great songs just went down the tubes in my opinion.

Many people call it experimentation and signs of great musicians, which is all well and dandy, yet experimentations can sound good and none of those "experimentation" albums strike any chord with me. But that's still just me and people are free to disagree or agree.

I will say that I'd love to hear Metallica release an all acoustic album.
I actually have a bootleg of acoustic stuff by them. If you want it AIM me :)

[Equinox]

Thought I might bump this.. Any news of the new album that they are working on? When is it gonna be released and stuff...

[Man-Thing]

Thought I might bump this.. Any news of the new album that they are working on? When is it gonna be released and stuff...

No news.

They recently completed the mini tour where they were opening for the Rolling Stones.

They played the first part of Orion in it though.

http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=13437

[Equinox]

No news.

They recently completed the mini tour where they were opening for the Rolling Stones.

They played the first part of Orion in it though.

http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=13437

They opened with Orion :eek::up:

They never played Orion and Unforgiven when I went to see them :(

[Man-Thing]

They opened with Orion :eek::up:

They never played Orion and Unforgiven when I went to see them :(

I think that's the first time Orion has been played from the beginning. They didn't play the middle spacey sounding part of it.

[ScottyBBadd]

I own every CD too. But I'm still mad I wasted my money on St. Anger.


What is your fav CD then?

[PLAS]

I want to see them play Blackened, completely

[American Male]

Weirdness: I don't like Metallica . . . I don't like heavy metal. But, I LOVE their cover of "Whiskey in the Jar."

Call it irony. Call it bad (or good) taste. There's whiskey in the Jar-ohhhhhh.

[Mr Sparkle]

I want to see them play Blackened, completely

the bane of my existence is that while I hated them, my best friend loved them, so I know too much about Metallica, for someone who hates them, but less than most fans.

that's how I know Blackened is pretty good


:shame:

[Man-Thing]

Without reading the thread, I have to ask Man-Thing if he started this thread just so he could get flamed. It's so fashionable to trash Metallica right now. And granted, St. Anger eats poop, no doubt. And no doubt, Metallica bull****ted their fans for months, talking about "getting back to roots" and all that ****. But I'll go ahead and say I really like all the other records, and even own St. Anger--I don't take good enough care of my CDs to sell them if I don't like them.

you obviously haven't read any of my posts. I love confrontation.

[Man-Thing]

I want to see them play Blackened, completely
I got it. They played a lot during the madly in anger tour.

[Kritish]

James is a traitor ***** but that being said, lets remember the good ol days of Metallica.

Say your prayers little one
don't forget, my son
to include everyone

tuck you in, warm within
keep you free from sin
till the sandman he comes

sleep with one eye open
gripping your pillow tight

exit light
enter night
take my hand
off to never never land

something's wrong, shut the light
heavy thoughts tonight
and they aren't of snow white

dreams of war, dreams of liars
dreams of dragon's fire
and of things that will bite

sleep with one eye open
gripping your pillow tight

exit light
enter night
take my hand
off to never never land

now I lay me down to sleep
pray the lord my soul to keep
if I die before I wake
pray the lord my soul to take

hush little baby, don't say a word
and never mind that noise you heard
it's just the beast under your bed,
in your closet, in your head

exit light
enter night
grain of sand

exit light
enter night
take my hand
we're off to never never land

[Man-Thing]

why is James a traitor?

[Kritish]

why is James a traitor?

He turned into a Bible thumper. :mad:

[Man-Thing]

The term "Bible Thumper" is usually used by secular people to describe a Christian fundamentalist who "forces" their views upon them.

Do you have any evidence of this?

[SpideyInATree]

That'd be cool is James was a bible thumper. Maybe one day he'd come to my house preaching about the Lord and I'll be trying to BS with him about Metallica. That'd be cool if you ask me. :o

[Ghostvirus]

He turned into a Bible thumper. :mad:

Yes!! Finally something new people can bash metallica about. I have been hearing the same Crap for like 15 years!

They Cut there hair - BOO HOOO

Everything After ....& Justice For All wasn't that good - BOO HOOO

They sold out with the black album - BOO HOOOO

Why did Lars use that Drum on St. Anger - BOOO HOOO

The aren't anymore Solos - BOO HOOO

& Now A new one!!

James is a Bible thumper - BOOO FRICKEN HOOO!!!!!!

If you don't like metallica then get the hell out of this topic. Anyone that has been a TRUE! Metallica fan for over ten years has heard this all before! You are wasting what little breath I wish you had on saying the same crap!

There are 3 things in life that is Gauranteed. When a person is asked:

Q:What do you think of Star Wars?

A: I like EP. 4-6 but the new ones sucked!

Q: How about the Matrix Trilogy

A: I liked the first one, but Reloaded & Revolutions Blew!

Q: Ok, How about Metallica.

A: I like there Older Stuff but there new stuff sucks!

Shut up! Listen to your Slip Knot & pretend that is Rock. Leave Metallica alone! What the hell do you think the Song "Shoot Me" on St. Anger is all about.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yes!! Finally something new people can bash metallica about. I have been hearing the same Crap for like 15 years!

They Cut there hair - BOO HOOO

Everything After ....& Justice For All wasn't that good - BOO HOOO

They sold out with the black album - BOO HOOOO

Why did Lars use that Drum on St. Anger - BOOO HOOO

The aren't anymore Solos - BOO HOOO

& Now A new one!!

James is a Bible thumper - BOOO FRICKEN HOOO!!!!!!

If you don't like metallica then get the hell out of this topic. Anyone that has been a TRUE! Metallica fan for over ten years has heard this all before! You are wasting what little breath I wish you had on saying the same crap!

There are 3 things in life that is Gauranteed. When a person is asked:

Q:What do you think of Star Wars?

A: I like EP. 4-6 but the new ones sucked!

Q: How about the Matrix Trilogy

A: I liked the first one, but Reloaded & Revolutions Blew!

Q: Ok, How about Metallica.

A: I like there Older Stuff but there new stuff sucks!

Shut up! Listen to your Slip Knot & pretend that is Rock. Leave Metallica alone! What the hell do you think the Song "Shoot Me" on St. Anger is all about.What are you, twelve?

[Ghostvirus]

What are you, twelve?

Beautiful. Cliched insults, with just a hint of stupidity never gets old.

Yeah I am twelve. Even though I said that I have been Hearing these insults for 15 years. Failing math much?

[Sarge 2.0]

Beautiful. Cliched insults, with just a hint of stupidity never gets old.

Yeah I am twelve. Even though I said that I have been Hearing these insults for 15 years. Failing math much? Considering that: A. I don't know you and B. You didn't bother to put your age in your public profile I can only assume from that immature drivel that you decided to rant out two posts ago that you haven't even hit puberty yet. Fail logic, much?

[Ghostvirus]

Considering that: A. I don't know you and B. You didn't bother to put your age in your public profile I can only assume from that immature drivel that you decided to rant out two posts ago that you haven't even hit puberty yet. Fail logic, much?

I said in my topic that I have been Hearing these instults towards metallica for fifteen years. What don't you understand? Look you can call me Immature I really could give a crap. I am just a person that when I have a opinion I voice it strongly. I know that in society these days, that is something that is frowned upon. Oh Well I have an opinion that you disagree with, deal with it.

Please don't fall into the pack of Message board people that when challenged. They belittle a person by way of grammar, age/maturity, and intelligence. These sad qualities are also very cliched. So please in rebuttel to this post. Think hard at how you are going to rebutt. Do something original!:) :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

I said in my topic that I have been Hearing these instults towards metallica for fifteen years. What don't you understand? Look you can call me Immature I really could give a crap. I am just a person that when I have a opinion I voice it strongly. I know that in society these days, that is something that is frowned upon. Oh Well I have an opinion that you disagree with, deal with it.

Please don't fall into the pack of Message board people that when challenged. They belittle a person by way of grammar, age/maturity, and intelligence. These sad qualities are also very cliched. So please in rebuttel to this post. Think hard at how you are going to rebutt. Do something original!:) :up: Honestly? I typed that rebuttal because it fit. If someone wants to voice their opinion that Metallica's last album severely lacked in quality, especially in comparison to stuff like MoP, they can say that if they want. You didn't have to throw a cyber temper tantrum throwing out mindless generalisations, especially towards posters like Siva whom you don't know. Guess what? He hates Slipknot, and does not consider them "rock". There goes your insult. Also, you've fallen into an internet cliché yourself, my friend. You've tried to come off as more intelligent, and mature then I am after I've previously insulted your own maturity and intelligence! I suggest you try to conduct yourself in a more polite manner, it would make the Hype one tiny iota less chaotic. :)

[Addendum]

Hetfield's parents were "Christian Scientists". If he got sick, they prayed about it instead of going to the doctor. So when his mother got cancer and refused to get it looked at by a doctor and she died despite all her praying made him bitter.

I've seen no proof that James has "gone back to church". The last musician I know of who has, was Head from "Korn". In the case of Hetfield, "sobriety" doesn't equal "being a christian"

[Ghostvirus]

Hetfield's parents were "Christian Scientists". If he got sick, they prayed about it instead of going to the doctor. So when his mother got cancer and refused to get it looked at by a doctor and she died despite all her praying made him bitter.

I've seen no proof that James has "gone back to church". The last musician I know of who has, was Head from "Korn". In the case of Hetfield, "sobriety" doesn't equal "being a christian"

Totally true. Some times people get these two things confused. I think him getting sober is awesome!

[ScottyBBadd]

Shut up! Listen to your Slip Knot & pretend that is Rock. Leave Metallica alone! What the hell do you think the Song "Shoot Me" on St. Anger is all about.

Thank you, Thank you, thank you. I could not agree more. All Metallica is great.

[ScottyBBadd]

That'd be cool is James was a bible thumper. Maybe one day he'd come to my house preaching about the Lord and I'll be trying to BS with him about Metallica. That'd be cool if you ask me. :o

Cool by me.

[LastSunrise1981]

Totally true. Some times people get these two things confused. I think him getting sober is awesome!

James kind of hinted at being spiritual in "Some Kind of Monster". But, I don't think anyone really knows his beliefs on religion.

Unless people are getting him confused with Kirk? I know Kirk is a christian, at least he said he was in one interview. :confused:

[PLAS]

James kind of hinted at being spiritual in "Some Kind of Monster". But, I don't think anyone really knows his beliefs on religion.

Unless people are getting him confused with Kirk? I know Kirk is a christian, at least he said he was in one interview. :confused:
as far as I know, Kirk has always been a very spiritual person, but he's never specified what faith does he support, methinks he's more of a eastern cultures type of person

as far as James, I see that he has indeed found his faith, but I don't see him pushing it in the band

which is something I actually have come to appreciate about SA, with all the flaws the album has, I never felt that James was pushing his ideology through lyrics

if only they had thightened up the songs, cut the fat away, pulled a better sounding album and focused on better arrengements

[jks]

He turned into a Bible thumper. :mad:You're probably thinking of dave mustaine of megadeth, who has gone out of his way to make sure people know he's born again...even as far as having bands kicked off festival gigs because they have a rather satanic aspect to their music.

[PLAS]

what strikes me as funny is how "Metallica Appreciation Threads" become "let's bash Metallica" fests or "Megadeth is better/worse" rants

[Ghostvirus]

what strikes me as funny is how "Metallica Appreciation Threads" become "let's bash Metallica" fests or "Megadeth is better/worse" rants

Exactly! That is the point to my little supposed "tantrum" above. It has become fashonable to bash them. When everybody knows they were bumpin there **** hardcore back in the day! & if you weren't rockin to them, then why even come in here?

[Addendum]

I still play the albums with Cliff Burton on bass, and have a copy of "Cliff 'em All". I'm still on the hunt for bootlegs of their stuff up to '86.

[SpideyInATree]

what strikes me as funny is how "Metallica Appreciation Threads" become "let's bash Metallica" fests or "Megadeth is better/worse" rants

Come on, man. This is an Internet message board. That's all people like to do is ***** and complain about something. :p

[Man-Thing]

They are in the studio rehearsing for the new album!:eek:
http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=44960
:up: :cool:

[PLAS]

They are in the studio rehearsing for the new album!:eek:
http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=44960
:up: :cool:

ohmygod, this was the funnies thing ever:

COMMENT | Actually...
posted by : Mercyful Mike
11/30/2005 9:43:14 PM

It doesn't matter who produces this album cause it's gonna suck ass no matter what. The only way I can see this album being even close to good is if the four ass-clowns collectively known as Metallica don't ****ing play on it!!!!

[Equinox]

They are in the studio rehearsing for the new album!:eek:
http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=44960
:up: :cool:


Cool, Its about time :o:up:

[SpideyInATree]

YES!!!!!!!!!! :up:

New Metallica on the way in the near future. Gotta love that. I'm gonna have to visit the Metallica website and Encyclopedia Metallica more often now to see what the new album is going to be about.

Thanks for the update.

Metal Up Your Ass, *****ES!!! :mad:

[jks]

It's about time.


Btw, anyone else besides me notice that no one who criticises them on that page seems to have an IQ higher than that of toilet fungus?

[Equinox]

Btw, anyone else besides me notice that no one who criticises them on that page sems to have an IQ higher than that of toilet fungus?

HAHAHA! :D

[Equinox]

For guys who havent checked out the official website!!!

http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=13501

Sweet :up: