Welling/Smallville influences in the Comics

[RakuMon]

The most obvious would be Birthright, but this is a thread for you guys to post art and/or stories that bear a striking resemblance to the cast & crew of Smallville.

Here's a good one for starters. Originally published in Superman Secret Files & Origins 2004:
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews/3058/3058_2.jpg
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews/3058/3058_2.jpg
Clearly, the artist was inspired by TW for Clark (red jacket and all!) and Kristen Kreuk for Lana.

[triplet]

Uhmm... I can't see anything but an X....

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think the new Teen Titans comic book (of this month I believe) has an appearence of reference to Lionel Luthor which is too cool.

[Morg]

Uhmm... I can't see anything but an X....


copy and paste and you will see it

[RakuMon]

Uhmm... I can't see anything but an X....
If the pic isn't showing up, try copying the link.
Or you could go directly to here:
http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=3058&p=2

[triplet]

Oh, I can see it now.. It even shows up in the forum now too.. it must look for the file in your cache.

It does look like Tom. With the bangs hanging in his eyes and everything...

:D

[NHawk19]

hmm interesting maybe Smallville wont be as stand alone as some would think

[TheStrider]

wow cool

[RakuMon]

Here's another one.
It's pretty obvious that Ma and Pa are based off of John Schneider and Annette O'Toole:
http://theages.superman.ws/History/birthright/SupermanBirthrightCVR3.jpg

[TheStrider]

Pa Kent yes, Martha, not so sure of.

[RakuMon]

There is an issue of Superman/Batman in which Superman talks about first encountering kryptonite and he refers to them as "meteor rocks."
I can't think of which issue that is though. I know it's one of the earlier ones. If anyone has a scan, this is the place to post it!

[The Sage]

It's issue 2.

[RakuMon]

It's issue 2.
Thanks!

[RakuMon]

I think the new Teen Titans comic book (of this month I believe) has an appearence of reference to Lionel Luthor which is too cool.

From K-Site:
Teen Titans #26 Has A "Lionel Luthor"
Issue #26 of DC's Teen Titans comic book, which hit stores today, featured the first mention of a new "Lionel Luthor" in current comics continuity... and who "Lionel" is may surprise you!
Anyone know who Lionel is in Teen Titans? I haven't been following the series (though I know Connor is a clone of Clark and Lex).

This was the solicit info for the ish:
TEEN TITANS #26

Written by Geoff Johns
Art and cover by Tony Daniel and Marlo Alquiza

Superstar artist Tony Daniel (Spawn, The Tenth) joins the Titans for a special issue dealing with the aftermath of the recent crossover with OUTSIDERS. Feeling empty after recent events, Superboy goes on a soul-searching journey into his past and possible futures with an unlikely guide: Raven.
On sale July 20 • 32 pg, FC, $2.50 US
And here's the cover:
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Jul05/TeenTitansCv26.jpg

[RakuMon]

Here's another one from Birthright.
Clark's hair is definitely Welling-esque:
http://theages.superman.ws/History/birthright/birth-got-milk.jpg

[AgentPat]

These are all great examples, Raku! :up:

I'm at work right now so I don't have it in front of me, but there's a shot of a photo of Clark and Lana near the end of the first issue of BR (I think it's the first, if not, it's the second.) IIRC, the text was Martha explaining to Clark that she hadn't seen Lana since he left, or something along those lines. That's worth a scan here. ;)

If you don't know which one I'm talking about, I'll scan it tonight. :)

[RakuMon]

These are all great examples, Raku! :up:

I'm at work right now so I don't have it in front of me, but there's a shot of a photo of Clark and Lana near the end of the first issue of BR (I think it's the first, if not, it's the second.) IIRC, the text was Martha explaining to Clark that she hadn't seen Lana since he left, or something along those lines. That's worth a scan here. ;)

If you don't know which one I'm talking about, I'll scan it tonight. :)
I know which one. But I don't have a scan of it. I'm just trying to pull examples of the net. :D If you could help me out, I'm trying to find an example of that Birthright "prequel" (I think it was a Superman Secret Files, but I'm not sure). You know the one. Where Clark first meets Lex in school and Lex fixes the furnace in the basement. There're a lot of examples there. Especially Lex's "foster father" who bears a striking resemblance to a certain magnificent bastard!

[AgentPat]

I know which one. But I don't have a scan of it. I'm just trying to pull examples of the net. :D If you could help me out, I'm trying to find an example of that Birthright "prequel" (I think it was a Superman Secret Files, but I'm not sure). You know the one. Where Clark first meets Lex in school and Lex fixes the furnace in the basement. There're a lot of examples there. Especially Lex's "foster father" who bears a striking resemblance to a certain magnificent bastard!Oh sure, I've got 'em all. Just have to dig 'em outta the right box. ;)

I'll see if I can find those two tonight. It'll be my pleasure. :D :D :up:

[RakuMon]

Oh sure, I've got 'em all. Just have to dig 'em outta the right box. ;)

I'll see if I can find those two tonight. It'll be my pleasure. :D :D :up:
Thanks! :up:

Here's another for the archives:
http://theages.superman.ws/History/birthright/ma_and_pa.jpg

[Spider-Gamer]

wow cool
I have to agree! :cool:

[AgentPat]

That's cool! Do you also know which Loeb/McGuinnes issue of Superman has the panel with three kids who are obviously a nod to Pete, Clark and Chloe?

(Maybe this should continue in the "Welling influence" thread?Not off the top of my head, but I know there's a lot of that kind of thing in SFAS, though that's more a case of the show imitating the comics, not the other way around.

[RakuMon]

This isn't a DC Comic (or a even a good one at that!), but former Marvel head Bill Jemas did a series back in 2002 which was essentially a parody of the comic book industry.
This was the cover of the first issue:
http://www.imakinarium.net/comic/Homenajes/marville.jpg

[Lara]

This isn't a DC Comic (or a even a good one at that!), but former Marvel head Bill Jemas did a series back in 2002 which was essentially a parody of the comic book industry.
This was the cover of the first issue:
http://www.imakinarium.net/comic/Homenajes/marville.jpg
It's just showing a red x. Can you retry?

[RakuMon]

It's just showing a red x. Can you retry?
Here's a direct link to the image:
http://www.imakinarium.net/comic/Homenajes/marville.jpg

[triplet]

You know, that won't open for me...

EDIT: man, that took like 5 minutes to open. weird...

Sorta Clark with an \M/ instead of an \S/ on his chest on the Chandler's field scarecrow frame....

[RakuMon]

Check out Lex's "father" from the story "Young Luthor in Smallville" from Superman/Batman Secret Files (2003), by Mark Waid and Renato Guedes:
http://superman.ws/tales3/young/1.gif
http://superman.ws/tales3/young/2.gif
http://superman.ws/tales3/young/
Also, check out young Clark:
http://superman.ws/tales3/young/4.gif

[mellyM]

lol, wow, I kind of want to know what happens next now

[triplet]

lol, wow, I kind of want to know what happens next now

See it here: http://superman.ws/tales3/young/?page=5

But Rakumon missed one intervening page, here: http://superman.ws/tales3/young/?page=3


Interesting story.

Clark does look a lot like Tom Welling and Lex's guardian does look a lot like John Glover.....

[mellyM]

See it here: http://superman.ws/tales3/young/?page=5

But Rakumon missed one intervening page, here: http://superman.ws/tales3/young/?page=3


Interesting story.

Clark does look a lot like Tom Welling and Lex's guardian does look a lot like John Glover.....

Thanks!..thats the end? well hell, thats not nearly enough

[RakuMon]

Thanks!..thats the end? well hell, thats not nearly enough
Well, that's because this was a short story in a Superman/Batman Secret Files which essentially served as a "prequel" to Superman Birthright.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

The guy who did the artwork for Birthright has also done artwork for the tpb "Superman: That Healing Touch" (the follow up to "Superman: Unconventional Warfare") written by great writer Greg Rucka which has come out earlier this month and his Clark I think resembles Welling a bit.
In fact there's a scene in that book (I just bought it) in which Clark talks to Lana and he is drawn exactly like Tom, even the hair looks the same. Amazing.

[RakuMon]

Bumped in anticipation of Pat's scans
;)

[RakuMon]

Another example, this one from Superman/Batman #16:
http://supermantv.net/smallville/origins/smallville/jonathan-and-martha.jpg

[avidreader]

I like the yellow blanket, I've read alot of hoo haa about Smallville choosing a yellow blanket.

[The Question]

I think he means Pa Kent looks alot like the guy in Smallville in that book.


I've noticed that in the comics (especially in Adventures of Superman, the best Superman comic out right now), Superman is drawn looking alot like Welling.

[RakuMon]

I think he means Pa Kent looks alot like the guy in Smallville in that book.


I've noticed that in the comics (especially in Adventures of Superman, the best Superman comic out right now), Superman is drawn looking alot like Welling.
Was actually referring to both the de-aged ma & pa AND the yellow blanket:
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/319/normal_Memoria_%28374%29.jpg
Also, isn't Jonathan's dialogue lifted straight from the Pilot?
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season1/101/normal_pilot_096.jpg

[avidreader]

I think he said, we cant keep him sweeheart. So very similar lines.

[RakuMon]

I think he said, we cant keep him sweeheart. So very similar lines.
I'm sure Trip would know.

Trip, can you access your copy of the Pilot script and figure out what Jonathan says to Martha upon finding Clark?

I could have sworn Jonathan calls her "Martha Clark Kent."

[The Question]

Is that her maden name or her middle name?

[Serene]

I'm sure Trip would know.

Trip, can you access your copy of the Pilot script and figure out what Jonathan says to Martha upon finding Clark?

I could have sworn Jonathan calls her "Martha Clark Kent."

I'm not Trip, but I have script sites saved. :)

I don't see where Jonathan refers to Martha that way in that scene. Maybe another scene?
Here is where they initially find Clark:
******************
Cut to the Kent's overturned vehicle. They are inside the overturned car, hanging upside down. They start to revive. Jonathan looks out the window and sees a naked little boy.

Jonathan: Martha?

Martha turns her head to look out the driver's side window. They look at each other in shock.

Cut to the boy. The boy smiles.


Cut to Jonathan and Martha walking through the debris. Martha is holding the little boy wrapped in a blanket.

Jonathan: [In exasperation] Kids don't just fall out of the sky, Martha.

Martha: Then where did he come from?

Jonathan: I don't know, but he must have parents.

They find the pod.

Martha: Well, if he does, they're definitely not from Kansas.

Jonathan: [Placatingly] Sweetheart, we can't keep him. What are we going to tell people-we found him out in a field?

Martha: [Cryptically] We didn't find him. He found us.

[RakuMon]

Hmmmm.... Thanks Serene.

I know that Jonathan calls Martha "Martha Clark Kent" somewhere in the series.
Perhaps in "Lineage?"

[avidreader]

Hmmmm.... Thanks Serene.

I know that Jonathan calls Martha "Martha Clark Kent" somewhere in the series.
Perhaps in "Lineage?"

Your thinking of the Superman Movie. Jonathan says to Martha after they find Clark "Martha Clark Kent I know what your thinking"

[Serene]

Hmmmm.... Thanks Serene.

I know that Jonathan calls Martha "Martha Clark Kent" somewhere in the series.
Perhaps in "Lineage?"

Honestly.. the things I do for you. ;)

You are mostly right though. Here is a flashback scene from Lineage where Martha explains Clark's name.

*********
Jonathan glances over his shoulder to make sure Martha has left the room, then opens the door. Ethan is standing on the porch.

Ethan: Evening, Jonathan.

Jonathan: Ethan.

Ethan: [Concerned] I saw what was left of your truck out on Route 17. I wanted to stop by and make sure you're alright.

Jonathan: Oh, yeah, we're, uh, a little banged up, but we're fine. Look, I-I'm sure there are folks who need your attention a lot more than...

Jonathan is interrupted as Clark runs into the room. Martha chases after him, laughing slightly. She catches him and pulls him close, smiling up at Ethan and Jonathan.

Ethan: [Curiously] Who's the little fella?

Martha: He got away from me. He's a strong little guy.

Ethan steps inside and walks toward Martha and Clark, while Jonathan attempts to explain.

Jonathan: That's um...

Martha: [Quickly] Clark. I thought my family name would make a good first name. Deputy, I would like you to be the first one in Smallville to meet our son.

[RakuMon]

Here are some Supergirl comic spoilers (Jeph Loeb's the writer) from K-Site that show more of SV's influence in the comics:


Two Of This Week's DC Comics Feature Smallville Tie-Ins
Two comic book releases that came out this past Wednesday featured ties to Smallville.

Supergirl #2, written by Jeph Loeb ("Red," "Insurgence"), features some mentions of some elements that will surely make you think of the show. Be warned of spoilers below.

In the comic's last page, Lex Luthor is collecting various colors and kinds of Kryptonite and wearing them in his gauntlet, which is almost reminiscent of Marvel's Infinity Gauntlet with the Infinity Gems back in 1990. Lex is communicating with the Calculator and reporting to him what the various kinds of Kryptonite do.

Green Kryptonite is said to be "deadly to Kryptonians".... and Lex comments that "now, thanks to the recent meteor shower, [it] is actually in greater abundance."

Red Kryptonite "apparently causes erratic and unpredictable behavior." Apparently Lex saw the episode "Red" and liked what he had seen.

Blue Kryptonite "is effective when dealing with Bizarro."

And that leaves things with... Black Kryptonite. The Calculator asks what happens when a Kryptonian is exposed to it, and Lex just grins. To Be Continued...

While we don't normally condone the spoiling of big comic book surprises, we're just relaying this information so you know to pick this issue up immediately. Very good things are coming in Supergirl, and it almost sounds like some more ideas and concepts from Smallville are creeping their way into the comics.

Also this week... the Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files features the very first comic book story written by Chris Castallo. Castallo was until recently the Senior VP of Development at Tollin-Robbins Productions, and was involved with Smallville as it was being developed.

Both comics have ties to DC's upcoming Infinite Crisis, so you may not want to miss them.

[Kane]

While we don't normally condone the spoiling of big comic book surprises, we're just relaying this information so you know to pick this issue up immediately. Very good things are coming in Supergirl, and it almost sounds like some more ideas and concepts from Smallville are creeping their way into the comics.

Also this week... the Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files features the very first comic book story written by Chris Castallo. Castallo was until recently the Senior VP of Development at Tollin-Robbins Productions, and was involved with Smallville as it was being developed.

Both comics have ties to DC's upcoming Infinite Crisis, so you may not want to miss them.
I think this could be the last time. Check out some of the reviews for Supergirl Issue 2, they are pretty bad. Alot are slamming Jeph Loeb for some paper thin writing and characterization here. And the Red Kryptonite's effects are different in the comics, the effects are unpredictable, they could totally mess with Superman's powers too (they dont just turn him evil every time)... Black may have a different effect as well (as opposed to spliting people in 2 on smallville).

I wanted to like Supergirl cause I met the artists; Ian Churchill and Micheal Turner, and theyre cool guys (their artwork for her is nice)... but people seem to want Jeph to step down from the project, hopefully after some time at Marvel he will.

And I dont know if Supergirl directly ties in with Infinite Crisis, the purpose of the first 6 issues was to define her place in the DC universe. Issue 3 involves the Outsiders, Issue 4 involves the JLA and its rumored in Issue 6, she'll meet Linda Danvers.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

The most obvious would be Birthright, but this is a thread for you guys to post art and/or stories that bear a striking resemblance to the cast & crew of Smallville.

Here's a good one for starters. Originally published in Superman Secret Files & Origins 2004:
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews/3058/3058_2.jpg
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews/3058/3058_2.jpg
Clearly, the artist was inspired by TW for Clark (red jacket and all!) and Kristen Kreuk for Lana.

IMO that doesn't look like Kruek at all to me.

Personally, I *hate* the idea of Smallville becoming canon. It's a good show and I like it, but...

...ugh, I just don't like the idea of it as Superman's past.

[Kane]

Hahaha dont worry. DC is smart enough not to make it canon.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Lord, I pray that that's true.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The real only thing Smallville has done to the comics was clear up Red Kryptonite and brought Black Kryptonite into the comics which for one I hate the black but love the fact that Red K has been cleared up. Other then that Smallville has not really done anything for the comics. The biggest thing they were going to do was bring Chole in but even that idea has been killed.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I had heard those Chloe rumors a while back and they upset me. I didn't know the status of that, I'm glad to hear they axed it.

[Brainiac 8]

Here are some Supergirl comic spoilers (Jeph Loeb's the writer) from K-Site that show more of SV's influence in the comics:


Two Of This Week's DC Comics Feature Smallville Tie-Ins
Two comic book releases that came out this past Wednesday featured ties to Smallville.

Supergirl #2, written by Jeph Loeb ("Red," "Insurgence"), features some mentions of some elements that will surely make you think of the show. Be warned of spoilers below.

In the comic's last page, Lex Luthor is collecting various colors and kinds of Kryptonite and wearing them in his gauntlet, which is almost reminiscent of Marvel's Infinity Gauntlet with the Infinity Gems back in 1990. Lex is communicating with the Calculator and reporting to him what the various kinds of Kryptonite do.

Green Kryptonite is said to be "deadly to Kryptonians".... and Lex comments that "now, thanks to the recent meteor shower, [it] is actually in greater abundance."

Red Kryptonite "apparently causes erratic and unpredictable behavior." Apparently Lex saw the episode "Red" and liked what he had seen.

Blue Kryptonite "is effective when dealing with Bizarro."

And that leaves things with... Black Kryptonite. The Calculator asks what happens when a Kryptonian is exposed to it, and Lex just grins. To Be Continued...

While we don't normally condone the spoiling of big comic book surprises, we're just relaying this information so you know to pick this issue up immediately. Very good things are coming in Supergirl, and it almost sounds like some more ideas and concepts from Smallville are creeping their way into the comics.

Also this week... the Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files features the very first comic book story written by Chris Castallo. Castallo was until recently the Senior VP of Development at Tollin-Robbins Productions, and was involved with Smallville as it was being developed.

Both comics have ties to DC's upcoming Infinite Crisis, so you may not want to miss them.


I know, I got a little giddy when I realized they were going to introduce that element in the comic continuity. Why not they have all kinds of other types in the comic, I am curious what it is going to do in the comics.

[AgentPat]

Since SV focuses on Superman's younger years, and the comics are in a "current" timeline, incorporating continuity details from SV is hard to do beyond a passing reference. Add to this fact that SV isn't DONE yet, so referencing SV characters like Chloe or even Lionel is problematic. What if the SV producers decide to off one or both? Including such characters in "current" Superman continuity limits what the SV writers can do.

That said, I don't see why certain elements in SV continuity can't become canon. Lois & Clark established one of the *biggest* changes in Superman canon EVER, so SV shouldn't be any different. In fact, SV is the only Superman show that actually gets DC's approval on changes to the mythos before presenting them to the public. The SV team won't do anything that DC doesn't give their thumbs up to first. That makes *both* sides pretty smart.

Also, just to correct an apparent misnomer, Red K (as established in SV) doesn't make Clark evil. He loses his moral compass and simply does what he wants to do. While this is a decidedly *dangerous* state for a virtually invulnerable being, it doesn't make him evil per se. He's not out to hurt anybody. He just does what makes him feel good. During the commentary track on Red, Welling himself points out that Clark isn't bad. He just doesn't see any consequences to his actions.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Since SV focuses on Superman's younger years, and the comics are in a "current" timeline, incorporating continuity details from SV is hard to do beyond a passing reference. Add to this fact that SV isn't DONE yet, so referencing SV characters like Chloe or even Lionel is problematic. What if the SV producers decide to off one or both? Including such characters in "current" Superman continuity limits what the SV writers can do.

That said, I don't see why certain elements in SV continuity can't become canon. Lois & Clark established one of the *biggest* changes in Superman canon EVER, so SV shouldn't be any different. In fact, SV is the only Superman show that actually gets DC's approval on changes to the mythos before presenting them to the public. The SV team won't do anything that DC doesn't give their thumbs up to first. That makes *both* sides pretty smart.

Also, just to correct an apparent misnomer, Red K (as established in SV) doesn't make Clark evil. He loses his moral compass and simply does what he wants to do. While this is a decidedly *dangerous* state for a virtually invulnerable being, it doesn't make him evil per se. He's not out to hurt anybody. He just does what makes him feel good. During the commentary track on Red, Welling himself points out that Clark isn't bad. He just doesn't see any consequences to his actions.And to correct you Red K doesn't make Clark evil on the show as well as we saw when he got married it just allows him to do what he wants with no feeling thats why most fans on the comics are happy with that because before Red K made him loses his powers, gave other people powers and etc. So really they are one in the same now. But other then that Chole will not show up in the comics unless they go off of the idea they were going to do with her being Superboys pal. Really as we stated SV is more or less an Elseworld tell. The comics are pulling from Pre-Crisis which is somewhat like Smallville but in many ways different.

[Kane]

Also, just to correct an apparent misnomer, Red K (as established in SV) doesn't make Clark evil. He loses his moral compass and simply does what he wants to do. While this is a decidedly *dangerous* state for a virtually invulnerable being, it doesn't make him evil per se. He's not out to hurt anybody. He just does what makes him feel good. During the commentary track on Red, Welling himself points out that Clark isn't bad. He just doesn't see any consequences to his actions.

Not misinformed, thats what I meant. It lowers his inhabitions, and in turn allows him to embrace his dark side, doing less than moral things, thus going evil.

But, that wasnt my point. It was that in the comics, Red K is totally unpredictable in it's effects...I just read a postcrisis comic where Luthor once used a red kryptonite on Superman that caused Superman to lose his powers temporarily, but everytime Clark uses it on 'Smallville' the effects are always the same, they make it the equivalent of teenage drug use.

[Bad Superman]

Red K Clark rules. No one can deny that. :D

[Ultimate_Superman]

Red K Clark rules. No one can deny that. :DYour right it reminds me of your hero the bad Superman from Superman III

[Bad Superman]

Your right it reminds me of your hero the bad Superman from Superman III

YEEEEEEEEHHHHHH!!!!!

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SIII/junkyard-portrait.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

Really IMO I dont want to see anything from Smallville in the comics I mean the black K is already to much as is. if Smallville is going to be in the comics then they should have based All-Star after it like how All-Star Bat-Marv and Robin is based off of Sin City. I feel Smallville is a great show but just how many of you want it far away from SR many comic fans well alot of comic fans feel the same way about SV and the comics. Its good but should stay far away from it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

YEEEEEEEEHHHHHH!!!!!

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SIII/junkyard-portrait.jpg


I love the scene where he's at the bar slamming back shots of JD :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

Really IMO I dont want to see anything from Smallville in the comics I mean the black K is already to much as is. if Smallville is going to be in the comics then they should have based All-Star after it like how All-Star Bat-Marv and Robin is based off of Sin City. I feel Smallville is a great show but just how many of you want it far away from SR many comic fans well alot of comic fans feel the same way about SV and the comics. Its good but should stay far away from it.


too many people get caught up in what is "canon" and what isnt. That in and of itself is a losing proposition because the Superman canon has a habit of changing and adapting to fit current times moreso than any hero I can remember. Take it from someone who fought the Byrne revamp kicking and screaming, and also detested Lois & Clark until I realized that it's all just different versions of the same story, and canon for the most part has become a matter of preference. Think of the Superman story like a good joke. The way it gets told changes over time, but the punchline more or less remains the same, and we always laugh at it.

[Ultimate_Superman]

too many people get caught up in what is "canon" and what isnt. That in and of itself is a losing proposition because the Superman canon has a habit of changing and adapting to fit current times moreso than any hero I can remember. Take it from someone who fought the Byrne revamp kicking and screaming, and also detested Lois & Clark until I realized that it's all just different versions of the same story, and canon for the most part has become a matter of preference. Think of the Superman story like a good joke. The way it gets told changes over time, but the punchline more or less remains the same, and we always laugh at it.And your right Hulk but most of Bryne stuff has been taken away which I was almost moved to tears of joy when it was and also really if you look at it the only Smallville stuff in the comics like say Black K comes from Leob and he is now gone and I would expect to see that stuff slowly fade away as well. As for Lois and Clark the only thing Lois and Clark did was force Superman into marrage which I think is a good and bad idea but one that should be talked about in the comic forum then here. But SV has made little to no impact on the comics and I doubt it will.

[AgentPat]

And to correct you Red K doesn't make Clark evil on the show as well as we saw when he got married it just allows him to do what he wants...:confused: What's there to correct? We're both agreeing with each other, yes?

Not misinformed, thats what I meant. It lowers his inhabitions, and in turn allows him to embrace his dark side, doing less than moral things, thus going evil.I disagree with using the term "evil" if only because it implies a malicious intent or being wicked at heart, but other than that, we're on the same page.

Also, I'm quite aware of the unpredictable nature of Red K in the comics. I'm glad to see SV tame that wild card. It was sorely needed, IMHO.

[Kane]

:confused: What's there to correct? We're both agreeing with each other, yes?

I disagree with using the term "evil" if only because it implies a malicious intent or being wicked at heart, but other than that, we're on the same page.

Also, I'm quite aware of the unpredictable nature of Red K in the comics. I'm glad to see SV tame that wild card. It was sorely needed, IMHO.

Alright I can live with that, Red K is just a minor issue anyways..

But other elements in Smallville should be left out of the comics postcrisis timeline, or they will contradict existing elements and create a huge mess. Lionel Luthor shouldnt be brought in, due to the deaths of Lex's parents when he was young. Theyve dismissed the Chloe idea (and even then, she was supposed to be a different character, a classmate of Conner Kent and Cassandra Sandsmark).

The Fortress was built by Eradicator in the comics, meaning no stones, no Godly spirit of Jor-el and no magical witch Lanabelle. Birthright also confirmed that Lex was only in Smallville for less than a year, and him and Clark were only distant friends/rivals.

Lana was defintely handled differently in the comics, in a 'Joey Potter' kind of way; girl next door who was his best friend since Clark was a child. She had feelings for Clark but Clark could never fully reciprocate..... they shouldnt mess with that. They definately shouldnt make Pete Ross black and card him off to Witchitaw, since the postcrisis Pete is a totally different character from Sam Jone's one.

Its also pretty dull making the freaks of the week officially comic book canon, as similar characters already appear in Superman's future (created through Star Labs, Metron, Cadmus etc) as Meta-Humans....and it would contradict existing postcrisis material to have Brainiac appear this early (while Clarks still only 18).

So ya, overall...you can understand why Smallville should be left out of the official postcrisis canon. An elseworlds tale?...thats possible.. but not the main timeline.

[Bad Superman]

I love the scene where he's at the bar slamming back shots of JD :D

:D Yeeeah. I love that scene too. :D

As soon as I reach the 5 K mark I'll try to do or ask someone to do an avatar with that scene. :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Alright I can live with that, Red K is just a minor issue anyways..

But other elements in Smallville should be left out of the comics postcrisis timeline, or they will contradict existing elements and create a huge mess. Lionel Luthor shouldnt be brought in, due to the deaths of Lex's parents when he was young. Theyve dismissed the Chloe idea (and even then, she was supposed to be a different character, a classmate of Conner Kent and Cassandra Sandsmark).

The Fortress was built by Eradicator in the comics, meaning no stones, no Godly spirit of Jor-el and no magical witch Lanabelle. Birthright also confirmed that Lex was only in Smallville for less than a year, and him and Clark were only distant friends/rivals.

Lana was defintely handled differently in the comics, in a 'Joey Potter' kind of way; girl next door who was his best friend since Clark was a child. She had feelings for Clark but Clark could never fully reciprocate..... they shouldnt mess with that. They definately shouldnt make Pete Ross black and card him off to Witchitaw, since the postcrisis Pete is a totally different character from Sam Jone's one.

Its also pretty dull making the freaks of the week officially comic book canon, as similar characters already appear in Superman's future (created through Star Labs, Metron, Cadmus etc) as Meta-Humans....and it would contradict existing postcrisis material to have Brainiac appear this early (while Clarks still only 18).

So ya, overall...you can understand why Smallville should be left out of the official postcrisis canon. An elseworlds tale?...thats possible.. but not the main timeline.Sad part is thats only naming a few things that should not go into the comics.

[Brainiac 8]

I have always viewed Smallville as an elseworld tale, so the continuity changes don't bother me. I agree it should stay out of comic cannon though, introducing black kryptonite doesn't bother me too much, as long as it being there makes sense.:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you look at the books it has already showed up in and really to be honest the only time things from Smallville ever show up in is in Leob books and thats because he use to work with Smallville other then that you never heard of these things till now.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:D Yeeeah. I love that scene too. :D

As soon as I reach the 5 K mark I'll try to do or ask someone to do an avatar with that scene. :up:You should do the part where he makes the tower stright

[Bad Superman]

You should do the part where he makes the tower stright

Or blowing out the Olympic Torch. . . That was so funny. :D

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

If the pic isn't showing up, try copying the link.
Or you could go directly to here:
http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=3058&p=2

it's uncanny pete looks just like he does on the show smallville.... :eek:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Just finished reading "Superman: That Healing Touch". As I said previously. in the first story Clark is drawn like Welling (and the type of clothes he wear in the show) and they have a Smallville flashback in which Lana is also similar to Kirsten and we also get to see why Pete acepts becoming Lex's Vice-President. Lex also appears in Smallville in that story but he has hair in it. Later on the book there's a report where Clark is exposed as Superman and he is drawn in a mixture of Reeve and Welling which was really cool.
Oh and as a cool bonus, Myx shows Clark and Lois what would be like if they had a super-baby.
Just thought I'd let you know about it.

[RakuMon]

This might be a bit of a stretch, but does anyone else see a little Welling resemblance on the Jim Lee cover of Infinite Crisis #2? I think I see it in his depiction of Superboy. DO NOT click on the link if you don't want the ending to Infinite Crisis #1 spoiled!!!!

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg

[AgentPat]

This might be a bit of a stretch, but does anyone else see a little Welling resemblance on the Jim Lee cover of Infinite Crisis #2? I think I see it in his depiction of Superboy. DO NOT click on the link if you don't want the ending to Infinite Crisis #1 spoiled!!!!

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpgIt's in the nose - and a little in the eyes/eyebrows. But yeah, I see it. Weather or not that was intentional is another argument, but there is a resemblance.

On a separate note, THAT's supposed to be Superboy? :eek:

Um... yeah, okay. That's one mighty fine Superboy, ahuh!!! :D :up:

Geeze, if only Singer's Superboy looked like that. :(

[RakuMon]

It's in the nose - and a little in the eyes/eyebrows. But yeah, I see it. Weather or not that was intentional is another argument, but there is a resemblance.

On a separate note, THAT's supposed to be Superboy? :eek:

Um... yeah, okay. That's one mighty fine Superboy, ahuh!!! :D :up:

Geeze, if only Singer's Superboy looked like that. :(
I think it's the tussled hair that reminds me of Welling! :D
As for the story itself, in case you're not familiar, pre-Crisis (read: Earth-2) Superman, his wife Lois, Alexander Luthor and the original Superboy are witnessing the events leading up to the pending Infinite Crisis. The last page of ish #1 has the original Superman breaking through a barrier and returning to the DCU!

[NHawk19]

I think we'll see a lot more of the SV canon appearing in the comics in the years to come. Especially if DC ever decides to pull off another reboot similar to the Pre/Post Crisis line which was drawn in the 80's

[RakuMon]

Pretty cool blog called Monitor Duty interviews Mark Waid and has an in-depth discussion of Superman: Birthright:
http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/09/alan_kistler_on.shtml

Some highlights:
And now for the last part of my profile on Superman, as we look at SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT, with commentary by Mark Waid, writer of BIRTHRIGHT and KINGDOM COME.

Don't worry. This is shorter than parts 1 and 2. And sorry it had to be split up like that, but with a guy as big as Kal-El there's just so much to tell.

Let's start now, eh?

This is continued from Part 2.
http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/09/_hello_again_ne.shtml

BIRTHRIGHT: Mark Waid’s Amalgamation

DC had found that readers were digging the few Silver Age concepts Loeb and a few others had brought back. Also, the WB had started their show SMALLVILLE (which Jeph Loeb was a part of), a live-action weekly drama that showcased a teenage Clark Kent dealing with his powers and abilities and trying to figure out (as all teenagers do) just where he fit in the world and what was waiting for him later in life.

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/1Smallville1.jpghttp://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2SmallKents.jpghttp://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/1SmallLuthor.jpg

The TV show had four major concepts that were a change from the post-Crisis comic books. First, Clark was seen arriving on Earth as a child and was not born via a birthing matrix. Second, rather than only one sample of Kryptonite falling to Earth, the show depicted that an entire meteor storm had occurred the day Kal arrived, resulting in some people being mutated into villains Clark would later have to fight. Third, the Kents were de-aged by at least a good decade and were a little more unsure of themselves. Rather than the grandparent types Byrne had introduced who always knew what to say or do, these versions of the Kents were constantly worried about their son and had frequent arguments with themselves and him about what was best for his life. Finally, the show had brought back the concept that Lex Luthor and Clark were closer in age (Lex was shown to be at least five or so years older) and met each other in Smallville when Lex moved there. A large part of the show’s focus would be to watch Clark and Lex start off as friends and then to slowly have Lex become more and more the manipulative villain we knew he would eventually be, as Clark would become more and more worried at how his friend was changing.

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/Smallville3.jpghttp://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/WBSuperman.jpg

The show has been a success with many and sparked interest in some TV viewers to start picking up the comics. DC decided therefore that the comics should start reflecting at least a little bit of the show. If viewers found they enjoyed the fact that Clark and Lex had been friends once, DC was afraid they’d get turned off and disappointed when they picked up a comic book and read that in the comics they hadn’t met until they were adults. Or if they liked how the version of Krypton in the WB cartoon was a utopian future, they might be disappointed to see that in the comics it was a cold, sterile place. What was needed was a limited series that retouched on the early days of Superman and tweaked a bit. It would be the new official origin that would be fine with long-time comic fans and would also work well as a jumping-on point for newcomers.

[The Sage]

Can't find the picture, but black kryptonite is now in the comics. No word on what it can do though. Lex has it in his Lexosuit.

[The Sage]

Just to refresh what I said before. Black Kryptonite is in comics now, thanks to Mr. Jeph Loeb. It, not surprisingly, can do the same thing it does on Smallville.

Examples:
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2694/supergirlv502page220tn.jpg

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5696/blackkusage0ra.jpg

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/318/blackkusage18vj.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yea thats something I didn't like and hope they change and keep away from the comics. But then again Supergirl is done by Leob and since he did do SV I am guessing it is okay for him to add that in to the comics on his title but I just wished it stayed out of the comics all together.

[Kane]

Most agree (in the comics forum) that Loeb's writing in Supergirl has been garbage. Its basically paper thin plots leading to her fighting every single faction of heroes (JSA, Titans, Outsiders, JLA) and pretty much beating them all up easily. Her characterization has been pretty bad too but hopefully Loeb wont be in charge of the series for long. Whoever takes over next should try to restore the characterization of the more popular precrisis Kara Zor-el to the new Kara.

The irony is she had a good start however in the Superman/Batman series, the solo series has just been incredibly weak but not beyond repair. The artwork drawing her like some 16 year old Paris Hilton could use an overhaul too.

[Kane]

Some highlights:
And now for the last part of my profile on Superman, as we look at SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT, with commentary by Mark Waid, writer of BIRTHRIGHT and KINGDOM COME.


Waid's writing and interpretation of Superman is really good. This, developed in 2001 when Smallville had just started, did introduce some elements from Smallville into the story, however in the long-run it did more damage than good.

This origins story is the only real contradiction of the Post-Crisis universe. It contradicts John Bryne's Man of Steel origins which was used as a basis and refered to many times in the stories following it, even after Zero Hour.

Apparently 2006's Secret Origins issue will finally clear this whole mess up. For the sake of continuity I hope Birthright is officially de-canonized. It's a nice story (good setup for a restart Superman movie) but it doesnt fit well into the established canon.

[RakuMon]

I think we can all safely assume that Infinite Crisis is going to throw all that Pre-Crisis vs. Post-Crisis "contradiction" out the window. What is and what isn't canon will be moot. After this, there will be a new canon. Count on it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

From 25+ years of reading Superman comics, I can safely say that holding onto any sort of "canon" other than the basics with regards to Superman is a losing proposition. If you spend too much time worrying about what's current canon and what isnt, you'll drive yourself crazy and miss out on some good comics.

[Kane]

From 25+ years of reading Superman comics, I can safely say that holding onto any sort of "canon" other than the basics with regards to Superman is a losing proposition. If you spend too much time worrying about what's current canon and what isnt, you'll drive yourself crazy and miss out on some good comics.

Its not about missing out. I mean there are alot of great stories that are outside the postcrisis canon; Kingdom Come, Superman Red Son, Superman Last Son of Earth, Frank Miller's Batman etc The key thing is that whats inside the postcrisis canon doesnt conflict. DC went to great lengths in 1986 to establish a main timeline continuity that worked. Its the one reason I prefer DC to Marvel. The series are easier to follow as the majority of them fit into a main established official timeline.

[Kane]

I think we can all safely assume that Infinite Crisis is going to throw all that Pre-Crisis vs. Post-Crisis "contradiction" out the window. What is and what isn't canon will be moot. After this, there will be a new canon. Count on it.

No there wont. Its been stated that the Infinite Crisis wont result in a new timeline restart. The events of IC will just affect the lives of the characters strongly, in the future (such as the rumor of Batman ending up in an insane asylum). The post-crisis will continue, I doubt they could bring back Earth 2 successfully like Golden Age Superman is attempting to do.

[mellyM]

This may be a dumb question, so forgive as I've just recently started to read comics, after trying to get into them and finally fell in love with the 4 part Sacrifice series leading up to the Infinite Crisis (I have IC#1 and 2 now)..anyway, why are there 2 Supermans and why does one appear to be older?

[AgentPat]

...why are there 2 Supermans and why does one appear to be older?I could SOOOO run with this, but I'll be good. :D

Quick, somebody answer Melly's question before I change my mind. LOL

[Ultimate_Superman]

One Superman in the Superman from Action Comics June of 1938 the first Superman. The other (the younger one ) is the Superman of now. Really head over to the comic forum there are tons of threads built for this. Also do go to the Superman comic forum go to the DC Comic forum.

[mellyM]

I could SOOOO run with this, but I'll be good. :D

Quick, somebody answer Melly's question before I change my mind. LOL
lol, well answer please because I'm all confuzzled

EDIT: Oops someone did answer, sort of, because that makes no sense to me, lol. and I've been to those threads and for a novice like myself I come away even more confused..this probably isn't the right thread to ask the question anyway I suppose

[Ultimate_Superman]

To better help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Golden_Age_version As well as this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also the Superman's your seeing is Birthright Superman and Golden Age Superman.

[Brainiac 8]

Yea thats something I didn't like and hope they change and keep away from the comics. But then again Supergirl is done by Leob and since he did do SV I am guessing it is okay for him to add that in to the comics on his title but I just wished it stayed out of the comics all together.


This was the way I was thinking also, that they should keep certain ideas seperate. But I was reading an ask eddie forum, and he was saying that Loeb invented The Black Kryptonite for the comics before he ever put it into Smallville.

I guess he invented it for his upcoming Supergirl story at the time, but decided somewhere within that timeframe to use it in Smallville also. So it wasn't really copied over into the comics, but vise versa.

[Kane]

Before the Crisis of 1986, the DC universe consisted of multiple earths occupying the same space but vibrating at different frequencies. The older Superman is Superman of Earth 2 (named Kal-L). His origin was based off the classic superman from Action Comics #1 and in his backstory he was rocketed to earth from Krypton and adopted (from an orphanage) by John and Mary Kent, who eventually died. Clark Kent (Kal-L) eventually worked for the Daily Star where years later he becomes the manager.

This Superman appears alot older given hes been around since the Golden Age and WW2. In the 1986 Crisis on Infinite Earths, where all the earths were fused into one in a new timeline, only the earth 1 heroes mainly were folded into that new timeline. Kal-L had no place in that earth and he, along with Superboy Prime (from another Earth) and Alexander Luthor (a hero of Earth 3) were trapped in the anti-matter universe after a battle. Luthor used his abilities to open a door into a pocket universe where they could exist in and view his new earth from above the heavens. He also saved Earth 2 Lois Lane before Earth 2 was lost, so she and Kal-L could be together forever in the pocket universe, removed from time.

For more information, read Infinite Crisis Issue 2. It explains this whole situation, for people who arent familiar with the older comics, in great detail.

[mellyM]

Before the Crisis of 1986, the DC universe consisted of multiple earths occupying the same space but vibrating at different frequencies. The older Superman is Superman of Earth 2 (named Kal-L). His origin was based off the classic superman from Action Comics #1 and in his backstory he was rocketed to earth from Krypton and adopted (from an orphanage) by John and Mary Kent, who eventually died. Clark Kent (Kal-L) eventually worked for the Daily Star where years later he becomes the manager.

This Superman appears alot older given hes been around since the Golden Age and WW2. In the 1986 Crisis on Infinite Earths, where all the earths were fused into one in a new timeline, only the earth 1 heroes mainly were folded into that new timeline. Kal-L had no place in that earth and he, along with Superboy Prime (from another Earth) and Alexander Luthor (a hero of Earth 3) were trapped in the anti-matter universe after a battle. Luthor used his abilities to open a door into a pocket universe where they could exist in and view his new earth from above the heavens. He also saved Earth 2 Lois Lane before Earth 2 was lost, so she and Kal-L could be together forever in the pocket universe, removed from time.

For more information, read Infinite Crisis Issue 2. It explains this whole situation, for people who arent familiar with the older comics, in great detail.
Thank you for that, it makes sense now, and I understand the reason for the original crisis a bit better. Good lord, who knew comics were so complicated? lol

[Brainiac 8]

Great expanation Crisis, and your right, infinite crisis #2 does a really good job of catching up anyone who missed the original Crisis.

[Ultimate_Superman]

This was the way I was thinking also, that they should keep certain ideas seperate. But I was reading an ask eddie forum, and he was saying that Loeb invented The Black Kryptonite for the comics before he ever put it into Smallville.

I guess he invented it for his upcoming Supergirl story at the time, but decided somewhere within that timeframe to use it in Smallville also. So it wasn't really copied over into the comics, but vise versa.Yea but the way Smallville handled it made me just like not even want to see it in the comics. Because SV did the black K thing almost a year before it even showed up in the comics and IMO it was just handled bad on the show and with that on top of a Supergirl more powerful then Superman and just going around kicking every single heroes ass it just turns me off.

[Kane]

Thank you for that, it makes sense now, and I understand the reason for the original crisis a bit better. Good lord, who knew comics were so complicated? lol

lol After almost 70 years, it was bound to happen but movements like the Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour tend to clean up and simplify continuity. Unfortunately it seems the Infinite Crisis is having the opposite effect.

[Kane]

Yea but the way Smallville handled it made me just like not even want to see it in the comics. Because SV did the black K thing almost a year before it even showed up in the comics and IMO it was just handled bad on the show and with that on top of a Supergirl more powerful then Superman and just going around kicking every single heroes ass it just turns me off.

Agreed. Hopefully Supergirl's powers will stabilize soon. The reason her powers are so strong is shes spent decades in cryogenic freeze in proximety to the sun (which charged her up like a battery). Her problem is her attitude; attack first, ask questions later. Her characterization has just been bad and they need to bring the innocence of precrisis Kara back.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Zero Hours didn't clean it up IMO that was just a complete mess. Infinite Crisis on the other is really the follow up to COIE. So really you would have had to have read COIE or known some history about it to get whats going on now. Also as far as the Superman we have today you would have to read Birthright, because most and alot of post-crisis stories were thrown out and changed because of that book.

[Brainiac 8]

Yea but the way Smallville handled it made me just like not even want to see it in the comics. Because SV did the black K thing almost a year before it even showed up in the comics and IMO it was just handled bad on the show and with that on top of a Supergirl more powerful then Superman and just going around kicking every single heroes ass it just turns me off.


I agree with you Tony about how they handle certain things like that. I still am buying Supergirl, just in case it gets better, but so far it is far below sub-par storywise.

I'm not sure why Loeb created the Black K, but hopefully it will be for an interesting reason. I actually dislike though when the comics take from other media, usually it messes up what they have been doing in the comics.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Agreed. Hopefully Supergirl's powers will stabilize soon. The reason her powers are so strong is shes spent decades in cryogenic freeze in proximety to the sun (which charged her up like a battery). Her problem is her attitude; attack first, ask questions later. Her characterization has just been bad and they need to bring the innocence of precrisis Kara back.Yea I hope when she fights Superman in issue 6 he smacks her around a few to make her remember who wears the \s/ in the family.

[Kane]

Zero Hours didn't clean it up IMO that was just a complete mess. Infinite Crisis on the other is really the follow up to COIE. So really you would have had to have read COIE or known some history about it to get whats going on now. Also as far as the Superman we have today you would have to read Birthright, because most and alot of post-crisis stories were thrown out and changed because of that book.

Zero Hour sorted out alot of gliches from the crisis that didnt add up; like Hawkman's origins, the Legion of Superheroes etc.

The Infinite Crisis on the other hand seems to be making things more complicated all over again, possibly undoing the effort it took to have one earth but trying to bring back Earth 2 (but hopefully not the multiverse itself). IC, the prelude issues and the 52s (for 2006) are clearly a ploy to sell comics but capitalizing on the 20th anniversery of the COIE. My only concern is the lasting ramifications of the IC.

As far as Birthright goes...you should really read this;

http://supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/birthright

Birthright really does more damage to continuity than good so I'm hoping its eventually decanonized.

[Kane]

I'm not sure why Loeb created the Black K, but hopefully it will be for an interesting reason. I actually dislike though when the comics take from other media, usually it messes up what they have been doing in the comics.

Agreed, though some moves from the media I actually liked; the inclusion of Harley Quinn into the DCU, making John Stewart the GL of the JLA to match with JLU etc

As long as it doesnt openly contradict stuff in the postcrisis canon, I dont have a problem with it. Alot of elements in Birthright do openly contradict previously established elements in continuity.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Zero Hour sorted out alot of gliches from the crisis that didnt add up; like Hawkman's origins, the Legion of Superheroes etc.

The Infinite Crisis on the other hand seems to be making things more complicated all over again, possibly undoing the effort it took to have one earth but trying to bring back Earth 2 (but hopefully not the multiverse itself). IC, the prelude issues and the 52s (for 2006) are clearly a ploy to sell comics but capitalizing on the 20th anniversery of the COIE. My only concern is the lasting ramifications of the IC.

As far as Birthright goes...you should really read this;

http://supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/birthright

Birthright really does more damage to continuity than good so I'm hoping its eventually decanonized.Oh I know what Birthright did but I happened to like it. Birthright did mess with alot of contiuity but there is a comic issue coming out to clear things up as well. Also I said that about Zero Hours because most of the stuff that happened during it and the stuff it was trying to fix is now gone anyways almost 90% of it.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Agreed, though some moves from the media I actually liked; the inclusion of Harley Quinn into the DCU, making John Stewart the GL of the JLA to match with JLU etc

As long as it doesnt openly contradict stuff in the postcrisis canon, I dont have a problem with it. Alot of elements in Birthright do openly contradict previously established elements in continuity.But you see the ting is what does Birthright really contradicts? I mean Lex origin went back to pre-crisis. The \s/ went back to being from krypton instead of the Kents. Ma Kent now was never married before meeting John. The Kents look younger. But other then that it really has no effect on the major stories dealing with Superman's life.

[Kane]

Zero Hour is almost like an epilogue to COIE. I liked Birthright too, its a well written story and it would have made a good template for a Superman restart movie. However, when weighing the ramifications of it screwing up established continuity, I'd rather have it de-canonized.

I think this is one major element DC will need to address in the future and explain; the same way they cleared up what happened to Hal Jordan during the 90s, the messed up origins of Powergirl, the truth about Donna Troy etc...

Maybe they can find some logically way, of explaining storywise, why Birthright origins replaced Man of Steels.

[Kane]

But you see the ting is what does Birthright really contradicts? I mean Lex origin went back to pre-crisis. The \s/ went back to being from krypton instead of the Kents. Ma Kent now was never married before meeting John. The Kents look younger. But other then that it really has no effect on the major stories dealing with Superman's life.

Check the link I gave you. It does. Even small things like the Birthing Matrix from Man of Steel. Hank Henshaw used that Matrix to transform into Cyborg Superman in the Death of Superman saga.

There are references to the MOS origins throughout the comics of the 90s.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Zero Hour is almost like an epilogue to COIE. I liked Birthright too, its a well written story and it would have made a good template for a Superman restart movie. However, when weighing the ramifications of it screwing up established continuity, I'd rather have it de-canonized.

I think this is one major element DC will need to address in the future and explain; the same way they cleared up what happened to Hal Jordan during the 90s, the messed up origins of Powergirl, the truth about Donna Troy etc...

Maybe they can find some logically way, of explaining storywise, why Birthright origins replaced Man of Steels.because Man of Steels origin IMO was not that good. MOS IMO is like how you view Birthright. I mean MOS made Superman a test tube baby for christ sakes. Ma Kent was married before John and the only reason why John is here now is because her husband died. The \S/ was a family symbol from the Kents. Clark Kent was the real person (meaning more human) and Superman was the fake. He could barely lift or even hold a plane. I mean yea it had its good points like the meeting between Batman and Superman but it was IMO poorly done compared to Birthright. The problem with Birthright is it started off as a comic and became a novel and DC didn't say this was the new origin till like almost the end of the series.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Exactly. John Byrne is a hack....

[Kane]

because Man of Steels origin IMO was not that good. MOS IMO is like how you view Birthright. I mean MOS made Superman a test tube baby for christ sakes. Ma Kent was married before John and the only reason why John is here now is because her husband died. The \S/ was a family symbol from the Kents. Clark Kent was the real person (meaning more human) and Superman was the fake. He could barely lift or even hold a plane. I mean yea it had its good points like the meeting between Batman and Superman but it was IMO poorly done compared to Birthright. The problem with Birthright is it started off as a comic and became a novel and DC didn't say this was the new origin till like almost the end of the series.

Again, Im not disputing the quality of Birthright or MOS...but just continuity itself. There are way too many contraditions and discrepancies as a result of Birthright.

I would have liked Birthright as the origin too but Id rather not let 20 years of canon get messed up as a result of that.

They need to write a story explaining why Birthright replaced the MOS origins, maybe a disruption in the timeline etc....and outline the effects of this replacement on the past continuity.

[Kane]

Exactly. John Byrne is a hack....

Agreed.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Check the link I gave you. It does. Even small things like the Birthing Matrix from Man of Steel. Hank Henshaw used that Matrix to transform into Cyborg Superman in the Death of Superman saga.

There are references to the MOS origins throughout the comics of the 90s.As I said before I know and understand what your saying. Some are little things that can be fixed. Doomsday who says things had to change? It could have happen before anyone knew like how it did in the comics. Birthing Matrix I am glad its gone Superman is not a test tube baby. As I said before little things where changed nothing major. Superman still died he is still married to Lois. The major point are still intact. The little things could be fixed in like a follow up to the story

[Ultimate_Superman]

Again, Im not disputing the quality of Birthright or MOS...but just continuity itself. There are way too many contraditions and discrepancies as a result of Birthright.

I would have liked Birthright as the origin too but Id rather not let 20 years of canon get messed up as a result of that.

They need to write a story explaining why Birthright replaced the MOS origins, maybe a disruption in the timeline etc....and outline the effects of this replacement on the past continuity.Well there is talks of a follow up like The Man Who Laugh

[The Sage]

From 25+ years of reading Superman comics, I can safely say that holding onto any sort of "canon" other than the basics with regards to Superman is a losing proposition. If you spend too much time worrying about what's current canon and what isnt, you'll drive yourself crazy and miss out on some good comics.

That honestly needs to be a sig.

It really doesn't matter what canon, as long as the concepts are correct.

[The Sage]

Again, Im not disputing the quality of Birthright or MOS...but just continuity itself. There are way too many contraditions and discrepancies as a result of Birthright.

I would have liked Birthright as the origin too but Id rather not let 20 years of canon get messed up as a result of that.

They need to write a story explaining why Birthright replaced the MOS origins, maybe a disruption in the timeline etc....and outline the effects of this replacement on the past continuity.

There already is one....the editors have come to their senses and realized what Byrne did was whack, and decided to correct the Superman concept. :p

Plus you do need to revamp the origin every now and then. :)

[Kane]

I'd rather have specifics than a loose continuity. As yes, the Birthright origins replacing the MOS ones is a fixable problem. They just need to write a story explaining why and how it happened, and how it effected the past 20 years as a result.

[Kane]

There already is one

Whats that?

[Ultimate_Superman]

What did it really change though on a major way? Really the way Birthright could have fixed all of this was just change the dates on the papers if they did that this would not be an issue to much.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Whats that?Read the whole post he was being smart with you:o

[Kane]

The changes were minor but I still agree its something that needs an explanation in the comics. Powergirls origins were inconsistent too, one issue Kryptonite affected her, in the next it didnt and she was Atlantean etc... but they wrote JSA Classified to fix her origins (or at least explain why it kept changing). Its something they need to address in the near future.

[Ultimate_Superman]

More then likely tey will fix it after Crisis what I want to see is what happened to Lana after High School.

[RakuMon]

I'd rather have specifics than a loose continuity. As yes, the Birthright origins replacing the MOS ones is a fixable problem. They just need to write a story explaining why and how it happened, and how it effected the past 20 years as a result.

Do you need a story written to explain to you why people don't age in the comics? I mean, Robin's been 16 for, what, ten years?

Those books were written 20 years ago, but time in the DC Universe has only progressed five or six years or something like that. The reason the origin had to be updated was to make the series relevant in 2005 (or in BR's case, 2003).

[Kane]

She stayed behind, in Smallville. Clark left her to travel the world upon high school graduation. She refused to go with him.

[Kane]

Do you need a story written to explain to you why people don't age in the comics? I mean, Robin's been 16 for, what, ten years?

Those books were written 20 years ago, but time in the DC Universe has only progressed five or six years or something like that. The reason the origin had to be updated was to make the series relevant in 2005 (or in BR's case, 2003).

Yes the DC timeline moves slower but thats irrelevant to explaining origins contradicting each other and the elements of each, found in established continuity, also conflicting.

And for the record, they have explained aging when it was necessary (Jay Garrick, Alan Scott etc) but yes its obvious the DCU moves in a slower time (the timeline chart at the end of Zero Hour explains that).

[Ultimate_Superman]

She stayed behind, in Smallville. Clark left her to travel the world upon high school graduation. She refused to go with him.Now did they say that because in an interview with Waid he said he was going to touch on that. Also Clark never asked she just up and left SV to get away when they finshed school.

[Kane]

Now did they say that because in an interview with Waid he said he was going to touch on that. Also Clark never asked she just up and left SV to get away when they finshed school.

Im going by the DC Comics Encyclopedia 2004 Edition. It's pretty accurate, as far as Birthright is concerned at least.

[Kane]

A recent Superman Issue depicting Clark and Lex's friendship in Smallville;

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WHL59NC1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WHL59NC1)

You need this sequential image device to play it;

http://cdisplay.techknight.com/setup.zip

[Ultimate_Superman]

^^ That really does not come from Smallville it more or less comes from Birthright and Pre-Crisis Superman.

[Kane]

I'm putting it up just for comparison. And Birthright was designed to be a tie-in with Smallville obviously.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Pre-Crisis inspired Smallville which inspired Birthright... it's all inter-related..

[Ultimate_Superman]

True they all come together in some small way but really Birthright is really more or less the way I look at it giving us back our Pre-Crisis Superman. You can say Smallville inspired the movement which got Birthright off the ground but in Birthright Smallville played no part to it. The only thing from Smallville that has been in the comics is with Supergirl having black K

[Kane]

True they all come together in some small way but really Birthright is really more or less the way I look at it giving us back our Pre-Crisis Superman. You can say Smallville inspired the movement which got Birthright off the ground but in Birthright Smallville played no part to it. The only thing from Smallville that has been in the comics is with Supergirl having black K

Along with the de-aging of the Kents.

[The Incredible Hulk]

You can say Smallville inspired the movement which got Birthright off the ground but in Birthright Smallville played no part to it. The only thing from Smallville that has been in the comics is with Supergirl having black K

:rolleyes: Waid himself said he took his inspiration from Smallville, and for god's sake look at how Clark, Lex, Lana, and the Kents are all depicted. Stop kidding yourself... anything not to give credit right?

[Ultimate_Superman]

:rolleyes: Waid himself said he took his inspiration from Smallville, and for god's sake look at how Clark, Lex, Lana, and the Kents are all depicted. Stop kidding yourself... anything not to give credit right?yes:( because I think the two should stay far apart

[Kane]

Well back then it didnt matter. Smallville just came out and it's direction compared to the comics wasnt as divergent as it is today and Birthright reflected that.

I only wish Birthright didnt counter MoS so obviously, it caused alot of inconsistances that hopefully will be explained during Infinite Crisis.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No you have to wait until the new DC Encyclopedia for that.

[Serene]

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in..It kind of goes along with what we were discussing in the Reckoning thread about Lana being Clark's love, but not Superman's, but it really doesn't belong there.

It's more the reverse of this thread.. an example of something from the comics influencing SV.

In Hidden, Lana says to just-about-dead Clark:...I need you to know that from the first moment that I saw you, I knew that no one could make me happier than you. But, I also knew that you would never change. You would always be running around, trying to save the day. All those times I pushed away was because I knew this day would come...

Now look at what I just saw posted in another forum:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6364/letter48xg.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4245/letter51ql.jpg
The words aren't exactly the same.. but the sentiment is.
Btw..I'd love to know the name of the comic these panels are from, if anyone knows.

*sniff* :(

[Serene]

Double...

[Serene]

...and a TRIPLE!

Yay me! :)

[user123456789]

omg serene that strip gave me a tear & sniff..

wait no, my windows open... *shudders

haha

and PLEASE someone tell us where the strip is from? thats like the kind of comics i'd LOVE to read about clark, lana, & superman.

[Kane]

Lana loves Clark, thats obvious. She always did....even into adulthood...her marriage with Pete Ross fell apart.

Clark never loved Lana though....it was like the Clark/Chloe relationship. It worked out much better that way. Lois wasnt sloppy seconds.

[NHawk19]

Secrets and lies between Clark and Lana wonder where they got that from?

[rumpuso]

That's really a beautiful passage, Serene. Nice find!

[Kane]

Could someone tell me where that was from? I dont seem to remember it...and what year? It was obviously some years ago since it looks like it was before the Kents got de-aged in Birthright.

[avidreader]

Serene if Smallville ends anywhere near like that strip, I think I'll be a mess for a week or maybe more. :(

That was beautiful, I didnt know comic books could be so emotional.

Kudos to the writer of that strip.

[triplet]

Serene if Smallville ends anywhere near like that strip, I think I'll be a mess for a week or maybe more. :(

That was beautiful, I didnt know comic books could be so emotional.

Kudos to the writer of that strip.

Comic books aren't just for kids, avid. I have started reading them again thanks to renewed interest in all things Superman (thanks to Smallville) and I love them. They do often tell extremely compelling stories.

[avidreader]

Comic books are just for kids, avid. I have started reading them again thanks to renewed interest in all things Superman (thanks to Smallville) and I love them. They do often tell extremely compelling stories.

They are or they arent for kids. :confused:

I dont have a problem with the stories they have in them, I just dont enjoy reading the way they are formatted. I never know which way to go. Just a personal thing.

I did read Birthright and Superman for All Seasons, and enjoyed them immensely.

[triplet]

They are or they arent for kids. :confused:

Oops. Aren't... typos happen. :D

I dont have a problem with the stories they have in them, I just dont enjoy reading the way they are formatted. I never know which way to go. Just a personal thing.

I did read Birthright and Superman for All Seasons, and enjoyed them immensely.

Me, I get so much out of them but I love the art too, not just the stories. They are usually beautifully drawn and colored nowadays. No longer are they the washed out newsprint colors of when I was reading comics while I was a kid.

The colors are richer and darker and there is a lot more attention paid to composition than I think used to be. The characters looked more flat back then too.

I really like them, although sometimes I agree it's hard to get used to the order you need to read the panels when they get creative, but still... I find them highly enjoyable.

[Wargod]

:rolleyes: Waid himself said he took his inspiration from Smallville, and for god's sake look at how Clark, Lex, Lana, and the Kents are all depicted. Stop kidding yourself... anything not to give credit right?

I found it at ComicBook Resources:

Another specific example of Waid's contribution to the new Superman timeline is the reinterpretation of Lex Luthor and while there may be elements that seem new, Waid is happy to give credit where credit is due. "My take on Lex is pretty much Elliot Maggin's take--thanks again, Elliot! [laughter].



There've been comments that the television series "Smallville" has been influencing Waid's take on The Man Of Steel and while he admits to being a fan, he says it isn't dictating the events of "Birthright." "I love 'Smallville' and won't miss an episode, and it's every bit as influential as the rest of Superman's grand history--but no more so or no less so. For instance, I would have wanted to put young Luthor back in Smallville regardless of the TV series. I will, however, cop to the fact that it was 'Smallville' that showed me with stunning clarity how cool it would be to have Ma and Pa Kent actually be parents, not kindly, white-haired grandparent-types. [laughter]"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=3385

[The Incredible Hulk]

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in..It kind of goes along with what we were discussing in the Reckoning thread about Lana being Clark's love, but not Superman's, but it really doesn't belong there.

It's more the reverse of this thread.. an example of something from the comics influencing SV.

In Hidden, Lana says to just-about-dead Clark:...I need you to know that from the first moment that I saw you, I knew that no one could make me happier than you. But, I also knew that you would never change. You would always be running around, trying to save the day. All those times I pushed away was because I knew this day would come...

Now look at what I just saw posted in another forum:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6364/letter48xg.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4245/letter51ql.jpg
The words aren't exactly the same.. but the sentiment is.
Btw..I'd love to know the name of the comic these panels are from, if anyone knows.

*sniff* :(

I'm pretty sure thats from Action Comics #800. I'm not home and cant say it without doubt but if someone had a gun to my head, I'd say that was it...

It has this cover:
http://www.imakinarium.net/comic/Homenajes/DC/drewstruzman03action800.jpg

[Kane]

800? But that came out in early 2003?

That was after Birthright..... but then why are the Kents still old?

[The Incredible Hulk]

AC's dont follow the exact same continuity as the regular Superman comics as far I know

[Kane]

Action comics does.... alot of events in AC follow the regular timeline events.

I think it was the events of Birthright took a while to be implented as canon into the timeline.

[The Sage]

I'm pretty sure thats from Action Comics #800. I'm not home and cant say it without doubt but if someone had a gun to my head, I'd say that was it...

It has this cover:
http://www.imakinarium.net/comic/Homenajes/DC/drewstruzman03action800.jpg

That is Action Comics 800. It's got some of the best images ever in it.

[user123456789]

That is Action Comics 800. It's got some of the best images ever in it.

gotta add that to the list of comic books im goin to buy

[RakuMon]

In the 2nd issue of All Star Superman, page 12, panel 4, Superman is communicating with a hologram of a future incarnation of Superman named Kal Kent, Man of Steel of Tomorrow. Superman of the year 853,450 AD.

Anyway, this future Superman is sporting a variation of the \8/ symbol.
It's also something that could conceivably make sense on Smallville.

Could someone get a scan up?
Here's the cover:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4562_400x600.jpg

[Kane]

lol All Star Superman is whacked. Super Lois killed it for me.

[AgentPat]

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4562_400x600.jpgThat's an... uh... um... funny drawing. :eek:

[Wargod]

In the 2nd issue of All Star Superman, page 12, panel 4, Superman is communicating with a hologram of a future incarnation of Superman named Kal Kent, Man of Steel of Tomorrow. Superman of the year 853,450 AD.

Anyway, this future Superman is sporting a variation of the \8/ symbol.
It's also something that could conceivably make sense on Smallville.

Could someone get a scan up?
Here's the cover:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4562_400x600.jpg

The Superman of 853,450 AD was created in 1998 as part of the crossover "DC one million", that were written by Grant Morrison ( the same writer of All star Superman)

http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/Heros/Small/justicelegiona.gif

http://www.xraycomics.com/scans/superman_man_of_steel_one_million_1.jpg



http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/asimov/20/dc1million.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_One_Million

[Kane]

That sh^t is whacked.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't know I kind of liked the DC One Million arc. I thought it was very good IMO. Though I would have loved to see Superman Prime in action.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The Superman of 853,450 AD was created in 1998 as part of the crossover "DC one million", that were written by Grant Morrison ( the same writer of All star Superman)

http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/Heros/Small/justicelegiona.gif

http://www.xraycomics.com/scans/superman_man_of_steel_one_million_1.jpg



http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/asimov/20/dc1million.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_One_MillionCorrect you are what people need to reember smallville didn't make up that \8/ symbol they just use it more because if I am correct they can't use the sheild at the moment.

[RakuMon]

The Superman of 853,450 AD was created in 1998 as part of the crossover "DC one million", that were written by Grant Morrison ( the same writer of All star Superman)

Didn't catch the One Million connection. Thanks for that.

Correct you are what people need to reember smallville didn't make up that \8/ symbol they just use it more because if I am correct they can't use the sheild at the moment.

I know that Smallville didn't invent the \8/. I just thought the way that symbol looked would be a good one to use on SV.

I guess this post should have gone into the \S/ & \8/ thread instead.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No you were right t put it in here because really the reason we see that \8/ symbol more is now because of SV but it really wasn't shown to much expect for the end of season 2 and start of season 3.

[AgentPat]

...people need to remember smallville didn't make up that \8/ symbolCorrect. DC invented the Kryptonian symbols.

they just use it more because if I am correct they can't use the shield at the moment.There's no moratorium on using the S or the shield. You can't swing a dead cat on the SV set w/o hitting an "S," "8," or something shaped like Superman's diamond shield. You just don't see the "traditional" \S/ shield (with the S in it) because in SV continuity, it doesn't exist yet. That said, the art dept likes to sneak it in whenever they get the opportunity...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/transference7.jpg

[RakuMon]

No you were right t put it in here because really the reason we see that \8/ symbol more is now because of SV but it really wasn't shown to much expect for the end of season 2 and start of season 3.

It's cool. If someone could get a scan up, that would be great!

[RakuMon]

Some tidbits from Wizard World LA:

From Comic Book Resources
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6919
Some other bits gleaned during the question and answer session:

* "Brave New World" will be 80-pages for $1 and will serve as a bookend to "Infinite Crisis" leading into the other titles and introducing new characters.
* There are plans to incorporate "Smallville’s" Chloe Sullivan into Superman’s world, editor Matt Idelson said.

From Newsarama:
http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA06/DC/DCNATIONWWLA.htm
Asked of Chloe from Smallville will ever appear in the DCU, Didio and Superman editor Matt Idelson had different responses. Didio said there were no plans, but Idelson followed his response and said there actually were some plans.

[mellyM]

Some tidbits from Wizard World LA:

From Comic Book Resources
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6919
Some other bits gleaned during the question and answer session:

* "Brave New World" will be 80-pages for $1 and will serve as a bookend to "Infinite Crisis" leading into the other titles and introducing new characters.
* There are plans to incorporate "Smallville’s" Chloe Sullivan into Superman’s world, editor Matt Idelson said.

From Newsarama:
http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA06/DC/DCNATIONWWLA.htm
Asked of Chloe from Smallville will ever appear in the DCU, Didio and Superman editor Matt Idelson had different responses. Didio said there were no plans, but Idelson followed his response and said there actually were some plans.
Cool:) thats great for Smallville, and Allison, since she shaped the character. And maybe it will help put that ridiculous Chlois theory to rest, lol.

[smsvmos]

In the 2nd issue of All Star Superman, page 12, panel 4, Superman is communicating with a hologram of a future incarnation of Superman named Kal Kent, Man of Steel of Tomorrow. Superman of the year 853,450 AD.

Anyway, this future Superman is sporting a variation of the \8/ symbol.
It's also something that could conceivably make sense on Smallville.

Could someone get a scan up?
Here's the cover:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4562_400x600.jpg


Here is the Image but is the same Superman from DC One Million

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/smsvmos/KalKent.jpg

[avidreader]

Now who out there was saying the other day that Smallville wouldnt leave an impact on the Superman Universe. ;)

This may also put to rest the notion that Chloe has to die before Smallville ends.

Great news for the team!:up:

[AgentPat]

And from the same issue, I like how Frank Quitely draws his Superman...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/superman10.jpg

:)

[The Caped Knight]

And maybe it will help put that ridiculous Chlois theory to rest, lol.

Amen on that MellyM Will see that Lois & Chloe are two different women .

[The Caped Knight]

Smallville influences in the Comics

Well Teen Titans #1 Annual.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/892/teentitansannualscan136tc.jpg
Conner in Clark's loft, Jonathan giving Conner a telescope, Jonathan helping Conner with controling his Super powers (X-ray vision & Telescopic Vision)

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1852/teentitansannualscan144nw.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6470/teentitansannualscan157qe.jpg
Conner & Cassie having Sex in Clark's loft.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9503/teentitansannualscan162ua.jpg
The Morning after, Cassie wearing Conner's T-shirt & meet the kents {In "Hidden" The morning after Lana wore Clark's shirt & meet The kents.}

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7100/teentitansannualscan174wk.jpg
Conner trying to explain himself to Jonathan & Martha, {Clark in "Hidden" trying to explain himself to his Jonathan & Martha.}

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6475/teentitansannualscan198xh.jpg
Conner taken flight, (Kal-EL in "Cursade".)

[AgentPat]

^^ LMFAO!!!! Brilliant! :up:

[The Caped Knight]

^^ LMFAO!!!! Brilliant! :up:

I was shocked Jonathan didn't say anything, He just looked @ Martha. :eek: And all Martha did was invite Cassie to Breakfast . :eek:

I was shocked that Conner even had the balls to have sex with Cassie in Clark's loft . :eek:

[AgentPat]

Great stuff, Kal! :up:

BTW, where's Tony?
According to DC editor Matt Idelson at yesterday's Wizard World L.A...

"There are plans to incorporate Smallville's Chloe Sullivan into Superman's world."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6919


:eek: :D :p

[Brainiac 8]

Now who out there was saying the other day that Smallville wouldnt leave an impact on the Superman Universe. ;)

This may also put to rest the notion that Chloe has to die before Smallville ends.

Great news for the team!:up:

This goes back to a thread we had a while back talking about Chloe's ultimate fate. I am pretty stoked about this news myself. Those K-Siters can put this in their pipe and smoke it.:D ;)

[The Caped Knight]

Smallville influences in the Comics
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/jetfire85/sb1.jpg
{Kryptonian Symbol on The Kent Farm cornfields} , {"Covanant"}

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/jetfire85/69913d8d.jpg
Conner asking Clark how he didn't lose his mind growing up in Smallville.

Conner using The words "Cow town" to describe "SMALLVILLE" .

[Brainiac 8]

Good eye on all of this Kal.:up:

[The Caped Knight]

This goes back to a thread we had a while back talking about Chloe's ultimate fate. I am pretty stoked about this news myself. Those K-Siters can put this in their pipe and smoke it.:D ;)

Maybe Chloe will Get involed with Bart Allen .

[Brainiac 8]

Maybe Chloe will Get involed with Bart Allen .

That would be cool, assuming Bart is still around after his being pulled into the Speed Force.:) :confused:

[The Caped Knight]

Smallville influences in the Comics

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5192/tenchiteentitans16p031uw.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9990/tenchiteentitans16p042ck.jpg
Conner's X-ray vision Kick's in While talking to Cassie. lol

[The Caped Knight]

That would be cool, assuming Bart is still around after his being pulled into the Speed Force.:) :confused:

True.

[AgentPat]

Good eye on all of this Kal.:up:Indeed! I've never read TT's, but now I'm starting to get interested LOLOL!!

Just LOOK how the barn...err... LOFT is drawn. Jeeze!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/892/teentitansannualscan136tc.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/lockdown2.jpg

"No influence?" My freakin' BUTT! :p

[The Caped Knight]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/retro_takeout/sboy02.jpg

A forshadowing of The Future {The words in The red & yellow box are from Martha} also Lex's missing plane

[The Caped Knight]

"No influence?" My freakin' BUTT! :p

Smallville has a lot of influences in the Comics, Most of it is centered around Conner. Since he spends most of his time in SMALLVILLE. But their is also a lot in The Superman comics.

[The Caped Knight]

Smallville influences in the Comics

http://happyending.org/gallery/albums/userpics/Superman2220001.jpg
Lois Lane looks very much like Erica Durance from Smallville.

[smsvmos]

I was shocked Jonathan didn't say anything, He just looked @ Martha. :eek: And all Martha did was invite Cassie to Breakfast . :eek:

I was shocked that Conner even had the balls to have sex with Cassie in Clark's loft . :eek:

We all know he had those what u mean its guts :D

[The Caped Knight]

"No influence?" My freakin' BUTT!

Pat I'll even go a step further, Every incarnations of Superman , { Live Action movies, Tv Series, or even the Cartoons} has had a major influences in the Comics.

[The Caped Knight]

We all know he had those, what u mean its guts :D

Excatly . lol :D

[The Caped Knight]

Smallville influences in the Comics
http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/liviapenn/newscans/whatareyou.jpg

Lois & Clark playful banter

[AgentPat]

Pat I'll even go a step further, Every incarnations of Superman , { Live Action movies, Tv Series, or even the Cartoons} has had a major influences in the Comics.It's interesting to see laid out like you've done. Raku will enjoy the new posts in this thread when he gets here, probably on Monday.

I read comics - Superman almost exclusively - but I personally don't care if the show influences them or not. That said, it's nice to see that SV isn't as self-contained and in its own world as some people seem to think. Obviously, it has a fairly large and devoted fan base. If incorporating some themes from the show into the comics helps to draw more fans into reading comics, then I'm glad to see them do it. :up:

[BaK]

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4562_400x600.jpg

Grant Morrison - great stuff so far in All Star S.. :up:

[Thunder Emperor]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5192/tenchiteentitans16p031uw.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9990/tenchiteentitans16p042ck.jpg
Conner's X-ray vision Kick's in While talking to Cassie. lol


which teen titian comics is this from

[Thunder Emperor]

Indeed! I've never read TT's, but now I'm starting to get interested LOLOL!!

Just LOOK how the barn...err... LOFT is drawn. Jeeze!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/892/teentitansannualscan136tc.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/lockdown2.jpg

"No influence?" My freakin' BUTT! :p


which comic is this from also, haven't been to the comic book store in two weeks.

[Gmanofsteel]

Great stuff, Kal! :up:

BTW, where's Tony?
According to DC editor Matt Idelson at yesterday's Wizard World L.A...

"There are plans to incorporate Smallville's Chloe Sullivan into Superman's world."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6919

I hate this with a passion :down: :down: :down:

Yes, she's a good character, but she also is a cheap copy of lois and steals what little significance lana had in clark's early years, maybe even make oete ross less important. Now we are going to get that crap in the comics, go figure. Not only does it have a rushed/sloppy feel to it since Chloe wasn't in birthright (an official origin without a character that's supposed to exist during that time?) but I am also willing to bet DC is using this in hopes of getting some of the young teens that love chloe so much to read comics now because their favorite character is in them.

oh well out with the old, in with new. :rolleyes:

[The Caped Knight]

which teen titian comics is this from
http://www.heroesanddragons.com/Archive/Reviews/TugsPick/images/Teen_Titans_v3_016.jpg
Teen Titans #16

which comic is this from also, haven't been to the comic book store in two weeks.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Titans_annual.jpg
Teen Titans Annual # 1

[The Caped Knight]

I hate this with a passion :down: :down: :down:

Yes, she's a good character, but she also is a cheap copy of lois and steals what little significance lana had in clark's early years, maybe even make oete ross less important. Now we are going to get that crap in the comics, go figure. Not only does it have a rushed/sloppy feel to it since Chloe wasn't in birthright (an official origin without a character that's supposed to exist during that time?) but I am also willing to bet DC is using this in hopes of getting some of the young teens that love chloe so much to read comics now because their favorite character is in them.

oh well out with the old, in with new. :rolleyes:

TW4S, She's nothing like Lois lane, Chloe is a good reporter, But she not The Ace Reporter like Lois Lane is. besides You've got nothing to worry about, Clark is SUPERMAN & he's married to Lois Lane.{that's never going to change} Pete's Married to lana. Beisde look on the bright side this news will finally Shut the Chlois fans up for good.

[AgentPat]

...I am also willing to bet DC is using this in hopes of getting some of the young teens that love chloe so much to read comics now because their favorite character is in them...But is that such a bad thing? :( SV is what got me back into reading comics. :O

Anyhoo... Teen Titans... somebody help me out here. I don't read that comic or watch the show. Who are they? The younger versions of the older characters? Who's Conner? Who's Cassie? How are they related to Clark/Superman and Diana/Wonder Woman?

[Gmanofsteel]

Beside look on the bright side this news will finally Shut the Chlois fans up for good.
That is the only bright side about this story for me lol Everything else is not as certain. Smallville's practically made chloe their own lois lane, the chlois fans wouldn't even have any fuel to their theory had they not made her an "intern" at the daily planet (I use quotes because if that's a intern job, then the janitors must be wearing suits at the daily planet too . . . ) Chloe's already become a plot crutch for the show, and now they want to introduce her int he comics when even the origin doesn't show her in existence either.

[The Caped Knight]

Who's Conner? Who's Cassie? How are they related to Clark/Superman and Diana/Wonder Woman?


Conner Kent / Kon-EL / SUPERBOY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_%28Modern_Age%29

Cassandra "Cassie" Sandsmark / WONDERGIRL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girl#Cassandra_Sandsmark

[The Caped Knight]

That is the only bright side about this story for me lol Everything else is not as certain. Smallville's practically made chloe their own lois lane, the chlois fans wouldn't even have any fuel to their theory had they not made her an "intern" at the daily planet (I use quotes because if that's a intern job, then the janitors must be wearing suits at the daily planet too . . . ) Chloe's already become a plot crutch for the show, and now they want to introduce her int he comics when even the origin doesn't show her in existence either.


Yeah exsept, Chloe is working in "The basement", She hasn't written a BIG STORY yet that has made the front page of The Daily Planet newspaper. So even thought she @ The planet she hasn't done that much yet.

[AgentPat]

Interesting reads. Thanks Kal! :up:

Ya learn somethin' new every day. LOL

[avidreader]

Interesting reads. Thanks Kal! :up:

Ya learn somethin' new every day. LOL

So can you give me the abridged version? :D

[The Caped Knight]

So can you give me the abridged version? :D

Conner Kent is very much like Clark Kent from the {SMALLVILLE : Tv series}.

[avidreader]

Conner Kent is very much like Clark Kent from the {SMALLVILLE : Tv series}.

Thanks Kal. Why the name change? To avoid confusion?

[The Caped Knight]

Thanks Kal. Why the name change? To avoid confusion?

Clark decide that Superboy had proven himself worth of wearing The \S/ symbol, and truly showed he was a Superboy. so to reward him. Clark told him his Secret Identity Clark Kent. He gave Superboy the Kryptonian name "Kon-EL" & Conner Kent as his Secret Identity name.

[Gmanofsteel]

Yeah exsept, Chloe is working in "The basement", She hasn't written a BIG STORY yet that has made the front page of The Daily Planet newspaper. So even thought she @ The planet she hasn't done that much yet.
Of course we all know how great it is in the basement as an intern. Completely dressed up, complete computer and internet access . . . .Working late hours . . . . . She might as well be a reporter considering how many liberties they've taken by making a sucky low job appear cool. She shouldn't even be considered for writing stories if she's "just an intern", yet she talks about stories like her angel of vengence as if she's a reporter, give me a break.

[avidreader]

Of course we all know how great it is in the basement as an intern. Completely dressed up, complete computer and internet access . . . .Working late hours . . . . . She might as well be a reporter considering how many liberties they've taken by making a sucky low job appear cool. She shouldn't even be considered for writing stories if she's "just an intern", yet she talks about stories like her angel of vengence as if she's a reporter, give me a break.

Well she thought that was going to lead her to a big break. She's still allowed to ge the scoop if she goes after it.

Most of the time she's just writing obituaries and she even made a reference to some great story she was working on about jay walking.

Hardly Pulitzer material.

And the fact that she wants to wear a suit to work just shows that she's ambitious and serious about her job. I dont see anything wrong with that.



*******

Thanks for the backstory of Connor, Kal.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/jetfire85/e870edac.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/jetfire85/721efb0b.jpg
Teen Titans #1 [2003]

Oh and Clark gave Conner his first pair of Glasses,

Conner also attends SMALLVILLE HIGH, The school look's excatly like the Tv series .

[Ultimate_Superman]

Right because SV influences was suppose to be in Conner's life not Superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Great stuff, Kal! :up:

BTW, where's Tony?
According to DC editor Matt Idelson at yesterday's Wizard World L.A...

"There are plans to incorporate Smallville's Chloe Sullivan into Superman's world."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6919


:eek: :D :pRight but as I said before not into Superman's world but into Conner' world where she was suppose to show before his titled got canned. See everything from SV will be put into Superboy not Superman which is were it should be and for the SV fans that do pick up Superboy's title don't expect to see Kal-el(meaning red-k Clark but a darker more on the edge person then that.)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Conner Kent is very much like Clark Kent from the {SMALLVILLE : Tv series}.No he isn't Conner is nothing like SV Clark. Conner is more like Batman and Robin (Tim) is more like Clark from SV. Which fits because Conner is a clone mix or Superman and Lex which makes him darker and is also a guy who doesnt want to live under Superman's shadow but be his own hero (hint why t-shirts and jeans instead of an outfit). Now the SV he lives in is alot like SV but other then that if you read Young Justice and his own title he not like Clark Kent from SV at all. Also to correct you Superman never told Conner who he was; Conner figured that out when fighting Pre-Crisis Superboy during Zero-Hours. Thats how he knew he was Clark. Superman treats Conner pretty much like an unwanted child.

[AgentPat]

Right but as I said before not into Superman's world but into Conner' world where she was suppose to show before his titled got canned. See everything from SV will be put into Superboy not Superman which is were it should be and for the SV fans that do pick up Superboy's title don't expect to see Kal-el(meaning red-k Clark but a darker more on the edge person then that.)Ok, whatever Tony. But here's the quote again, just for the helluvit...

"There are plans to incorporate Smallville's Chloe Sullivan into Superman's world."

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ok, whatever Tony. But here's the quote again, just for the helluvit...

"There are plans to incorporate Smallville's Chloe Sullivan into Superman's world."And how many times have we heard this and it never happens? This is something you take with a grain of sault because as I said befor they could do it but believe it or not alot of comic fans want to have SV have nothing to do with the comics. So as I say before I take it with a grain of salt till I see it done which I doubt it will be; unless as I said before they give Superboy his own series then I am okay with it because its Superboy and Superman already has his Lois. But I doubt they will put her there in Superman's titles after they worked so hard to bring back fans who were upset with their writing and upset with adding things from SV.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also as I said before take it with a grain of salt

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA06/DC/DCNATIONWWLA.htm

Asked of Chloe from Smallville will ever appear in the DCU, Didio and Superman editor Matt Idelson had different responses. Didio said there were no plans, but Idelson followed his response and said there actually were some plans.


Meaning they haven't made up their mind yet. Oh and if you didn't know Didio is the VP of all of DCU. Which means he does have the final say so.

[AgentPat]

Again, whatever. I understand the wait and see mentality, but that's just what it should be at this point. The condemnations from people are unwarranted, IMHO.

Matt Idelson is the senior editor at DC handling Superman and Action Comics. He should know what's on the front AND back burners of future Superman comics.

Here's a few excerpts from a recent interview (March 9, 2006) with Idelson over on SMHP:

Q: How important do you view continuity? Do you see it as your job to maintain a stable continuity?

A: I think continuity is hugely important. It's what validates the time and money the readers have invested in the characters, and it's the history that defines the characters, too. To ignore it is just wrong. At the same time, you have to be flexible enough to allow a character to grow, even if it means altering some past bit of continuity. I think the best balance is to have a story-driven reason for the continuity, one that you can tell in a later tale if you don't have the space to explain it immediately

Q: What's your main approach on Superman? How do you want to present him to the reader in regards to the "reboot" after INFINITE CRISIS?

A: I really want people to see him as a fun, cool guy who takes his responsibilities seriously. He's gotten labeled as a boy scout or even dull, and I'd love to dispel that notion. Big things are always going to be happening in the Superman books, that's a given, but I'd love for people to find Superman every bit as contemporary a character as whatever the hot thing is right now.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/interviews/interviews-intro.php?topic=c-interview_idelson1

[Ultimate_Superman]

Again, whatever. I understand the wait and see mentality, but that's just what it should be at this point. The condemnations from people are unwarranted, IMHO.

Matt Idelson is the senior editor at DC handling Superman and Action Comics. He should know what's on the front AND back burners of future Superman comics.

Here's a few excerpts from a recent interview (March 9, 2006) with Idelson over on SMHP:

Q: How important do you view continuity? Do you see it as your job to maintain a stable continuity?

A: I think continuity is hugely important. It's what validates the time and money the readers have invested in the characters, and it's the history that defines the characters, too. To ignore it is just wrong. At the same time, you have to be flexible enough to allow a character to grow, even if it means altering some past bit of continuity. I think the best balance is to have a story-driven reason for the continuity, one that you can tell in a later tale if you don't have the space to explain it immediately

Q: What's your main approach on Superman? How do you want to present him to the reader in regards to the "reboot" after INFINITE CRISIS?

A: I really want people to see him as a fun, cool guy who takes his responsibilities seriously. He's gotten labeled as a boy scout or even dull, and I'd love to dispel that notion. Big things are always going to be happening in the Superman books, that's a given, but I'd love for people to find Superman every bit as contemporary a character as whatever the hot thing is right now.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/interviews/interviews-intro.php?topic=c-interview_idelson1Your showing me nothing new that I havent already read or supports the fact that Chloe is coming. If you read what he has said then infact you might think different because most of the fans do not wish to she Chloe or anything dealing with SV show up in the comics because most SV fans dont read the comics. But as I said before I will take this with a grain of salt because though he may be the senior editor Didio use to have that role before he did and has moved up to the VP of DC comics and he is the one who has always nixed the idea and if he says no then it is no. Good example JMS is the head of alot of stuff in Marvel and for Sins of The Past he wanted to make Peter the father of Gwen Stacy kids(Spider-Man) but the VP of all of Marvel said no to the idea and they had to go with something else. As I said before he can want to or maybe have plans for it but if Didio says no then she will not show up.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Once again I think Chloe would fit in the comics with Superboy but with Superman she does not fit and would just IMO kill Superman because then you'll have two Lois. As I said before how many SV fans pick up the comics? Most of the SV fans either watch the show and buy the DVD's and thats it. Thats all they have to with Superman. But the comics is another story all together SV has done alot to get the movies off the ground but they have done nothing for the comics. The comics did that all on their own; the comics battled their way through arc like Superman/Blue and others to where we get classic like For Tomorrow, Ruin, IC and its tie in(stuff SV had nothing to do with.) When they do try to add elements of SV in to the comics it turns out bad and is poorly done. So as I have said before he could do it but as long as 90% of Superman fans want SV to have nothing to do with the comics and since he does listen to the fans I don't see it happening with Superman but with Superboy where she was suppose to go in the first place or if they do a follow up to Birthright(which is not suppose to happen anytime soon) which explains what happened to Lana and then you could bring Chloe in and it would work well.

[avidreader]

Q: What's your main approach on Superman? How do you want to present him to the reader in regards to the "reboot" after INFINITE CRISIS?

A: I really want people to see him as a fun, cool guy who takes his responsibilities seriously. He's gotten labeled as a boy scout or even dull, and I'd love to dispel that notion. Big things are always going to be happening in the Superman books, that's a given, but I'd love for people to find Superman every bit as contemporary a character as whatever the hot thing is right now.



I'd say Smallville has made a big influence in regards to that answer above.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'd say Smallville has made a big influence in regards to that answer above.You tell me how and give examples how? SV has not had a big influence on the comics. Now getting SR made yes it did but the comics SV really has little to nothing to do with it. The only thing you might can say is Lex knowing Clark but Waid already said he was going to do that be it SV had it or not he wanted to bring back Silver age Superman.

[mathhater]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/retro_takeout/sboy02.jpg

A forshadowing of The Future {The words in The red & yellow box are from Martha} also Lex's missing plane

I think the narration here is from Earth-2 Superman, and not Martha. I believe he's narrating the entire book...leading up to the big reveal of who it is who's watching the DCU on the last page.

[The Sage]

Not an influence, but perhaps Smallville was inspired by this:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1551/jinx5.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/373/clarkfootball.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3548/jinx6.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5700/clarkboot.jpg

[RakuMon]

Not an influence, but perhaps Smallville was inspired by this:

Do we have a thread that shows how SV has framed their scenes similar to ones from the comics? If not, this thread's as good as any.

Having comics/screen caps comparisons is better than bickering about continuity post-Infinite Crisis. :rolleyes:

[The Sage]

If someone can get some caps from Hidden:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8648/bswwtrinity002354zl.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1070/bswwtrinity002438yf.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1052/bswwtrinity002449xa.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

I dont remember that part in Trinity I gotta go back and read the book again.

[The Sage]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7186/hypnotic3697lg.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/928/justice4rm.jpg

[BaK]

It would be "interesting" to know if Ross have had that drawn up before Aquadude epi aired..

[Ultimate_Superman]

It would have been even better if it really was influenced from SV.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

This isn't a direct influence from SV but as it exemplifies one of the of most well achieved aspects of the show, so I wanted to share this Lois narrative from Superman: Ruin Revealed written by best selling novelist Greg Rucka.

Lois (v.o.):- "I've spent most of my career writing stories about my husband. His name is Clark Kent. His name is Kal-El. His name is Superman.
There are things a newspaper story, a radio report, a television spot can never reveal. You see Superman on the cover of a magazine or on the front page of a newspaper and even at his worst, he makes it look...easy.
Effortless. He's handsome, he's noble, he's kind, and he can make a diamond just by squeezing a lump of coal for 3 seconds. He can fly.
You look at Superman and wonder what can he possibly worry about ? What could possibly ever hurt him ?
But just because his skin is invulnerable doesn't mean his heart is.
And that's how you hurt Superman. You break his heart."

I think this is something Smallville has always exemplified well.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think that is more shown in the comics then SV but hey whatever floats your boat.

[Nautica7mk]

I think that is more shown in the comics then SV but hey whatever floats your boat.
I agree. On Smallville, Clark's confused, disappointed in his heritage, angry, and the only real heartbreak for him that I felt resonated in his entire character was when his father died. Or any other time where Martha and Jonathan were in danger.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The only time we really see Clark worrying about something is with Lana. Hell he has hardly shown any sadness to his dads death. I mean they make it look like he cares more about her then his own father.

[Nautica7mk]

The show does revolve around Lana Lang so I'm not surprised.

[avidreader]

This isn't a direct influence from SV but as it exemplifies one of the of most well achieved aspects of the show, so I wanted to share this Lois narrative from Superman: Ruin Revealed written by best selling novelist Greg Rucka.

Lois (v.o.):- "I've spent most of my career writing stories about my husband. His name is Clark Kent. His name is Kal-El. His name is Superman.
There are things a newspaper story, a radio report, a television spot can never reveal. You see Superman on the cover of a magazine or on the front page of a newspaper and even at his worst, he makes it look...easy.
Effortless. He's handsome, he's noble, he's kind, and he can make a diamond just by squeezing a lump of coal for 3 seconds. He can fly.
You look at Superman and wonder what can he possibly worry about ? What could possibly ever hurt him ?
But just because his skin is invulnerable doesn't mean his heart is.
And that's how you hurt Superman. You break his heart."

I think this is something Smallville has always exemplified well.

Well I agree with you 100%. You dont have to be worrying about the entire world to show that you possess the qualities mentioned.

[RakuMon]

Anyone got a scan of the last page/panel of Infinite Crisis #7?

There is a scene that bears a resemblance to this:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/multimedia/Wallpaper-Images/clark-scar.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

Once again no it doesn't he use his heat vision and burned a \S/ into him as said before DC has gone now out of its why to take any thing from this show or that shows something close to the show out of the comics. Hint why there is no more black K and why everything else like the Kents and the barn will be changing soon. It's sad really because somethings I did like well two things Kents are younger and The Barn but hey I guess they have other ideas.

[Kane]

I dont think it was Smallville-influenced at all though but Superboy, gone insane, cuts the \S/ symbol into his chest revealing an \S/ in blood....

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/4372/superboy5qq.jpg


One messed up kid.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I love the droll from the mouth shows he is crazy. If anything this more or less looks like the Death of superman \S/ then something from SV.

[The Kid]

yikes~ disgusting

[Ultimate_Superman]

^^ You think thats bad the boy took out 35 GL's and alot of heroes.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Once again no it doesn't he use his heat vision and burned a \S/ into him as said before DC has gone now out of its why to take any thing from this show or that shows something close to the show out of the comics. Hint why there is no more black K and why everything else like the Kents and the barn will be changing soon. It's sad really because somethings I did like well two things Kents are younger and The Barn but hey I guess they have other ideas.


LOL hilarious how Tony has to come in and try to "rain on anyone's parade" who points out similarities between Smallville in the comics. Like it's somehow morally reprehenisble that they've done so.
DC has not "gone out of it's way" or even said they were "going out of their way" to take anything related to the show out of the comics. Now youre just making **** up.....

[Kane]

There isnt really anything from the televison series put into the comics, with the exception of Black Kryptonite. That seems to be the only Smallville TV series element adapted.

The de-aging of the Kents through Birthright is likely gone soon given the removal of Birthright from continuity and the addition of a new origins story.
Thats probably what Tony was refering to.

[The Incredible Hulk]

There isnt really anything from the televison series put into the comics, with the exception of Black Kryptonite. That seems to be the only Smallville TV series element adapted.

Oh no? :confused: Have you seen any depictions of the young Clark in the past 5 years?

The de-aging of the Kents through Birthright is likely gone soon given the removal of Birthright from continuity and the addition of a new origins story.
Thats probably what Tony was refering to.

Whether it's been "undone" in yet another stupid DC continuity flip flop is irrelevant. The fact is, for a time in certain comics, they're were things that were inspired by the show, and even to this day similarities show up. Regardless of what DC does with it's "continuity" those things arent erased from existence.

[Kane]

Oh no? :confused: Have you seen any depictions of the young Clark in the past 5 years?

There were depictions of young Clark before Smallville aired...and they arent too different from the depictions today.

Whether it's been "undone" in yet another stupid DC continuity flip flop is irrelevant. The fact is, for a time in certain comics, they're were things that were inspired by the show, and even to this day similarities show up. Regardless of what DC does with it's "continuity" those things arent erased from existence.

Birthright itself messed continuity up bigtime...so a new origins that works with continuity instead of against it would be welcome. Of course for a certain time, Birthright was the origins...but its time has come.

Even within Birthright, the only similarity to the Smallville TV series was the de-aging of the Kents. The Clark/Lex friendship as kids was inspired from the silverage comics right up to the lab accident that drove Lex insane and made him bald. The relationship between the two was handled way differently than Smallville (given they were only friends for a few months also) and even the Lana Lang character was handled differently.

So I dont see what the big deal is.... Black K and the Kents de-aging for some years are the only real elements that transfered over.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's pointless to keep arguing this with you because you'll never concede and choose to see what you want to see.
I've been reading comics long enough to see the impacts of all the live action depictions start showing up in the books themselves. It happened with the Reeve films, Superboy, L&C, etc. Smallville is no different in that regard. The coincidences are just too many. Whether they "count" in continuity like Birthright is irrelevant, it was still there.

[Ultimate_Superman]

LOL hilarious how Tony has to come in and try to "rain on anyone's parade" who points out similarities between Smallville in the comics. Like it's somehow morally reprehenisble that they've done so.
DC has not "gone out of it's way" or even said they were "going out of their way" to take anything related to the show out of the comics. Now youre just making **** up.....Well Hulk lets see how old is Birthright????? No more then 2 to 3 years old and as some like to believe done because of Smallville. Now tell me why the new origin would be changed so quickly? Why are they getting kid of the black K? Why are they writing more towards the Donner/Singer Superman then SV. Yes they are going out of their way if you would get rid of a 2 year old origin that quickly (which was very good). Its nothing personal I am just saying they are taking what ever is or was SV out of the comic. Hint why you have never seen Chloe nor going to. SV in the comics was suppose to happen with the new Superboy series and well you see where he's at :(

[The Incredible Hulk]

regardless, of them redoing Birthright, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH SMALLVILLE. What's your native language? Perhaps it would make more sense if I wrote it in that....

And who said the current comics are being written to follow Donner's continuity? :confused: They'd be remaking pre-crisis Superman which aint gonna happen.

[Kane]

It's pointless to keep arguing this with you because you'll never concede and choose to see what you want to see.
I've been reading comics long enough to see the impacts of all the live action depictions start showing up in the books themselves. It happened with the Reeve films, Superboy, L&C, etc. Smallville is no different in that regard. The coincidences are just too many. Whether they "count" in continuity like Birthright is irrelevant, it was still there.

Ive been reading them for long enough also.. but aside from the 2 elements I mentioned, can you name any other element(s) that came directly into the comics clearly influenced off Smallville the series?

I definately cant. Even within Birthright...the only influence from the television series itself was the de-aging of the Kents.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Now am I say Birthright never happened no but if you really want to be honest about thing the only signs of SV in the comics comes from Supergirl (only because Lebo worked on the series) and Teen Titans (Only because Superboy was suppose to be where you saw some of the show at) but Birthright had little to do with SV only thing hey did was deage the Kents anything else from Birthright was just Pre-Crisis Superman.