Catwoman / Selina Kyle thread

[Nepenthes]

I think that some of us have a problem with prostitution being seen as an empowering thing for women.

Too true. Part of the age old supression of female sexuality across the board, perhaps. I also partly see Catwoman as a rebellion against that, owning what was or is generally considered immoral or perverse


But in general, I find that presumption fairly repugnant when it comes from a man like Miller, particularly given his treatment of almost every other female character.

What characters are the worst examples of this you think? I havn't read all of Sin City (yawn) but i've never actually gotten a real handle on this complaint, which seems almost universal. Is it more a lack of strong female characters, or the mistreating of the few that he uses?

[jmc]

why don't you like it? it doesn't have to be as completely seedy. I guess alot of people just dont like that kind of content in comics though, not matter how it's treated. Which is fair enough I guess. Morrison recently used call girls without it coming of as sensational though. You almost didn't notice it was x-rated content. And the girl was basically a child too.....ugh

I got nothing wrong with hooker characters, I'm just not a fan of the hooker thing for Catwoman, she's had a hard enough life, adding a hooker element does nothing for the character. In fact I like the idea that she doesn't resort to becoming one, that she decides 'I might have to steal to survive, but I'm not going to be one of those girls'.

[Dr. Fate]

I got nothing wrong with hooker characters, I'm just not a fan of the hooker thing for Catwoman, she's had a hard enough life, adding a hooker element does nothing for the character. In fact I like the idea that she doesn't resort to becoming one, that she decides 'I might have to steal to survive, but I'm not going to be one of those girls'.
I imagine that's probably the route that the WB would take.

[Faded To Deaf]

The Catwoman I always envisioned was in the cartoons and movies, and she never was a hooker. I admit to not reading the comics, and hearing this for the first time, I have to say, you don't see too many characters like this. It's different than adolescent's story, that's for sure, and the idea that a woman uses all aspects of her persons to get what she wants in an easy way, sounds like a petty thief to me, which describes the Catwoman character. I wouldn't have the things to write the story that Catwoman's a hooker, but then again, I always thought of her as a bored socialite, but with definite childhood terrors and villainous upbringing. It's different I'll give you that.

[JatPat]

Russel? I think she's big enough an actress for such a movie. She's small enough an actress to catch everyone by surprise. She's good enough an actress to do justice to the role.

[punk_joey]

Just wanted to share some catwoman manips i did for the next movie..


http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh239/punkjoey89/catwomancopy.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh239/punkjoey89/THEdarkknightreturns.jpg

[punk_joey]

LOL! I didnt think it would come up this big, was working small, so thats why it looks soo ruff.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

God I love Catwoman!

[Dr. Fate]

God I love Catwoman!
Who doesn't love Catwoman? :cwink:

[The Caped Knight]

Just wanted to share some catwoman manips i did for the next movie..



http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh239/punkjoey89/THEdarkknightreturns.jpg

MEOW !!!!! :batty:

[David Rice]

Who doesn't love Catwoman? :cwink:

There are few...

Just wanted to share some catwoman manips i did for the next movie..

Why did put Eckhart's name on the poster?

[Dr. Fate]

There are few...

Then they have no souls. :cwink:

[elgato]

^ True

[Heretic]

Prostitution IS empowering to women!!!

I...I mean some people...spend a lot of money on them!

[David Rice]

Then they have no souls. :cwink:

I agree. :woot:

[jaymes_e06]

Hey guys a little artilce I came across earlier that I thought I would share with you all. It is a great little article about BM3 villian casting and especially Catwoman. The last couple sentences make absolutely no sense but you'll see what I mean...

Bring on Batman 3
by Mike Krumboltz
August 4, 2008 03:26:42 PM

"The Dark Knight" is still on the tip of everyone's tongue. But now, instead of folks breathlessly asking each other if they'd seen it, talk has turned to speculation over Batman's next foe. Who's it gonna be?

iVillage is reporting that the Caped Crusader may take on the Riddler in "Batman 3." According to the rumor mill, Johnny Depp might sign on to play the nefarious super-criminal. But caveat emptor—this could be just as false as the one about Crispin Glover playing the Joker.

Slashfilm notes that there are additional possibilities floating around. For instance, Phillip Seymour Hoffman may play the Penguin or Angelina Jolie could don Catwoman's skin-tight suit. Truth or fiction, fanboys around the world must be having a heart attack at the mere possibility.

Still, the "official" rumor mill is just one of the ways superfans are checking in on the next Batman flick. Many seek the scoop themselves. We've noticed impressive searches on "batman 3 rumors," "dark knight sequel casting rumors," and "batman's next villain."

That last query is very telling. People clearly want to know the answer, but we doubt even the filmmakers have decided. To that end, may we offer the studio execs this humble piece of Search-informed advice: Go with Catwoman. She's far-and-away the most popular baddie and there are already a slew of searches on possible cast members including Jessica Biel, Amy Adams, and, wait for it, Maggie Gyllenhaal. Do fans think Rachel Dawes, Bruce Wayne's one-and-only, was really the Catwoman all along?

Source:http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91673

[I-Style]

Lara Aldward for Catwoman!!!!!:up:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e393/stylei/laral2.jpg

[jaymes_e06]

^:hehe: Sexy. But how old is she now?

[I-Style]

^:hehe: Sexy. But how old is she now?

Thats my girl!!! :cmad:

[jaymes_e06]

HEY what ever floats your boat pal. :whatever:

[Jokers_Wild]

Seriously, the only way to compete with TDK, is to take the sequel in a completely differently direction, with Batman facing a completely different challenge. Catwoman, to me, would be purrr-fect. Batman has a villain or a possible ally he's attracted to, but is also dangerous, one he can sympathize with, but must resist, etc. Bring on the sexy Catwoman!!

[Two-Face]

Angelina Jolie for Selina Kyle in Batman 3.

[Dr. Fate]

Seriously, the only way to compete with TDK, is to take the sequel in a completely differently direction, with Batman facing a completely different challenge. Catwoman, to me, would be purrr-fect. Batman has a villain or a possible ally he's attracted to, but is also dangerous, one he can sympathize with, but must resist, etc. Bring on the sexy Catwoman!!
Exactly.

[Lasirius]

Angelina Jolie for Selina Kyle in Batman 3.

No, no, no. No Angelina Jolie for the part, she is too obvious as Catwoman and I really think she's won't be able to pull it off. I really hope those Depp and Jolie rumors are something the studio will ignore. We don't need these actors in every movie. My first and only choice for the part would be Eva Green and possibly, possibly Keri Russell.

[jaymes_e06]

Angelina Jolie for Selina Kyle in Batman 3.
Agreed.

[The Battousai]

Get Angie some acting lessons, then we'll talk :cwink:

[jaymes_e06]

An Oscar winner and three time Golden Globe winner needing acting lessons? Yeah, right. :cwink:

[Crook]

Yes, and Clint Eastwood personally chose her to star in his latest Oscar-baiting film. I'd say the man knows acting when he sees it. 'Nuff said.

[Nepenthes]

oscar baiting? he already won an Oscar, are you accusing him of shamelessly trying to score another? he doesn't seem like the type to me.

[Crook]

It was a joking jab. But it holds some truth. Everyone knows the fall is Oscar season, and it's no coincidence that every Eastwood film so far has come out at that same exact time.

[The Battousai]

An Oscar winner

For "A Girl, Interrupted", yes.

Have you seen the movie? I haven't...

and three time Golden Globe winner

Hahahahaha :funny:

That's the Emmy of movie awards, you know :oldrazz:

needing acting lessons? Yeah, right. :cwink:

Haven't personally seen any acting from her that's above average - especially considering her popularity.

[The Battousai]

Yes, and Clint Eastwood personally chose her to star in his latest Oscar-baiting film.

Uh, no he hasn't :huh:

Unless, of course, no one's told IMDB about it :hehe:

[Crook]

Haven't personally seen any acting from her that's above average - especially considering her popularity.

Well it sounds like you haven't seen many films of hers, much less ones that would showcase acting range.

I recommend Gia, Girl Interrupted, A Mighty Heart, and soon, Changeling (by Clint). If you can watch these performances and still be convinced that Jolie "needs acting lessons", then so be it. But I have a strong feeling that won't be the case.

[Nepenthes]

It was a joking jab. But it holds some truth. Everyone knows the fall is Oscar season, and it's no coincidence that every Eastwood film so far has come out at that same exact time.

no I was genuinely curious. maybe there's other reason for the timing who knows, but sure putting Angelina in the movie was never going to hurt. also he always picks movies with good Oscar topics, the kinda stuff they love. but I'd be surprised if at his age and level of achievement he'd really care about another statue. everybody knows he's legend. Just saying because I just checked around and yours seems a slightly common observation



and yeah she's hardly an average actor. not at all. Still very wrong for Catwoman though.

[Crook]

Uh, no he hasn't :huh:

Unless, of course, no one's told IMDB about it :hehe:
Well, yes and no. Depending on how you interpret this:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1589851/story.jhtml
MTV: You have "The Changeling" coming out with Angelina Jolie. Was casting her your idea?
Eastwood: They would have gone with whoever I wanted. [Brian] Grazer and Ron Howard were the ones who sent it to me, and they asked who I liked. They said Angelina Jolie is someone who's very interested in it. Her face is one that works both contemporarily and in a period. And so I said, "Yeah, let's go with her." It was kind of a no-brainer. I've worked with a lot of wonderful actresses. I can't say I've worked with anybody more professional.


In any case, I don't think anyone can really doubt Clint's eye for talent and his earned his stripes on more than a few occasions. I highly doubt he'd cast ANYONE in his films that couldn't act. Much less headline the entire project.

no I was genuinely curious. maybe there's other reason for the timing who knows, but sure putting Angelina in the movie as never going to hurt. also he always picks movies with good Oscar topics, the kinda stuff they love. but I'd really be surprised if at his age and level of achievement he'd really care about another statue. everybody knows he's legend. Just saying because I just checked around it seems it's a slightly common observation
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Whether it's intentional or not, it's a Hollywood trend to release these films during a particular season so they may be up for contention. Whatever it may be, it certainly doesn't put a strain in the amount of quality products being put out. I am not doubting Clint's directorial talents at all.


and yeah she's hardly an average actor. not at all. Still very wrong for Catwoman though.
She has the quintessential look for Selina and I think she's capable of whatever the role entails. She's more than qualified in my eyes. Maybe not your taste, but hardly "very wrong".

[The Battousai]

Well it sounds like you haven't seen many films of hers, much less ones that would showcase acting range.

I'm not a very eclectic moviegoer/renter, unfortunately :O

I recommend Gia, Girl Interrupted, A Mighty Heart, and soon, Changeling (by Clint).

Hehe - the only ones I haven't seen are the ones she's good in |'D

If you can watch these performances and still be convinced that Jolie "needs acting lessons", then so be it. But I have a strong feeling that won't be the case.

I'm not one to dismiss good acting when I see it - even when I don't necessarily like the actor (i.e. Clooney, Cruise). If I ever get a chance to see any of those, I hope to be pleasantly surprised :up:

[The Battousai]

Well, yes and no. Depending on how you interpret this:

I didn't know he was putting another movie together with one being filmed at the moment - my bad

She has the quintessential look for Selina and I think she's capable of whatever the role entails. She's more than qualified in my eyes. Maybe not your taste, but hardly "very wrong".

I would hope she treated the material like she did with her better films rather than the ones most people know her by (myself included).

[Crook]

Capable actors tend to turn in a great performance, given they're under the guidance of a capable director. So I wouldn't presume we're in any wrong hands with Nolan.

I already fully believe Jolie has what it takes, and on the slim chance he does cast her, that just reaffirms my stance. He hasn't really gone wrong with any of his first-hand casting choices. With that said, I'll support whomever he would cast so as long the actress has the looks for the role.

[The Battousai]

Capable actors tend to turn in a great performance, given they're under the guidance of a capable director. So I wouldn't presume we're in any wrong hands with Nolan.

I already fully believe Jolie has what it takes, and on the slim chance he does cast her, that just reaffirms my stance. He hasn't really gone wrong with any of his first-hand casting choices. With that said, I'll support whomever he would cast so as long the actress has the looks for the role.

:up:

[Nepenthes]

She has the quintessential look for Selina and I think she's capable of whatever the role entails. She's more than qualified in my eyes. Maybe not your taste, but hardly "very wrong".

She's more than capable, and physically she so perfect it's absurd.

But she can't act her way out of being who she fundamentally is: Angelina friggin Jolie, perhaps the most wanted and well-recognized woman in the entire world or the even the history of the entire world, no joke. I know you say she doesn't overshadow her roles in most of her films, but I think as Catwoman she certainly would. She's wearing black leather, spinning and kicking and wisecracking, no way most people would see anything other than Jolie in a catsuit right there. I want an actor who conjures a Selina from somewhere deeper and unknown, taking people by surprise, making her feel realer than a burglar with cat-ears is entitled to feel. It's the same argument you see all over the boards and that's the side I'm on, probably not much point going into it all yet again. not unless we're talking about Keys :yay:

[jaymes_e06]

I'm not a very eclectic moviegoer/renter, unfortunately :O



Hehe - the only ones I haven't seen are the ones she's good in |'D



I'm not one to dismiss good acting when I see it - even when I don't necessarily like the actor (i.e. Clooney, Cruise). If I ever get a chance to see any of those, I hope to be pleasantly surprised :up:
Gia is one of my fave bio pics and films of all time and not just because I got to see Angie running around fully nude for about 5 minute but it didn't hurt.

[jaymes_e06]

She's more than capable, and physically she so perfect it's absurd.

But she can't act her way out of being who she fundamentally is: Angelina friggin Jolie, perhaps the most wanted and well-recognized woman in the entire world or the even the history of the entire world, no joke. I know you say she doesn't overshadow her roles in most of her films, but I think as Catwoman she certainly would. She's wearing black leather, spinning and kicking and wisecracking, no way most people would see anything other than Jolie in a catsuit right there. I want an actor who conjures a Selina from somewhere deeper and unknown, taking people by surprise, making her feel realer than a burglar with cat-ears is entitled to feel. It's the same argument you see all over the boards and that's the side I'm on, probably not much point going into it all yet again. not unless we're talking about Keys :yay:
And Katie Holmes and the Cruise situation didn't overshadow BB. :whatever:

[jaymes_e06]

I've seen someone else do this so here's Angie as Catwoman
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/angiecatcopy.jpg

[Ziggyman]

Anything to get Angelina Jolie in spandex/leather...Is fine by me!!!

[Nepenthes]

And Katie Holmes and the Cruise situation didn't overshadow BB. :whatever:

no, they didn't. he made a scene at a premiere, big deal.

and I don't know what you're point would be anyway.

[jaymes_e06]

You say Angelina would overshadow the film well that happens when you have name actors. The same can be said about Christian Bale now with his family fiasco or the tragedy of Heath Ledger's death, God rest his soul and even yes Katie Holmes and her Bat**** crazy husband (boyfriend at the time). It happens. Get over it!

[Crook]

It doesn't really matter what your previous rep is, ANYTHING can happen that will make the media latch onto you and turn it into a scandal. Bale is a great example, actually. He stays out of the spotlight and never does anything in the public eye, yet he was all over the news regardless. These things cannot be helped and are hard to predict no matter who you are. So singling out Angie is in poor judgment.

The only valid argument is discounting people that actually do savor the spotlight and are attention whores. Katie being one, as she did nothing but promote her own marriage rather than BB. THAT is where I can understand that overshadowing things may become a problem, because they have an agenda.

[jaymes_e06]

^EXACTLY my point. Angelina is always an actress before she is anything else. She even has said something to the effect of "I do my job and have my life where because of my job I can help people and do what really matters in life being popular is just a bonus. This woman isn't starving for our attention. Notice how she kept out of the public eye while she was having her twins but because the media was going crazy not getting there angelina intrusive coverage of her life they insisted she show off her children to the world (because everyone wants to know what newborns look like:whatever:).

I don't think she revels in all the media coverage of herself as much as most of Hollywood does. She is in quality films and is a great philathropist. She doesn't ask to be constantly photographed by the paps. Give the woman a break.

[Nepenthes]

You say Angelina would overshadow the film well that happens when you have name actors. The same can be said about Christian Bale now with his family fiasco or the tragedy of Heath Ledger's death, God rest his soul and even yes Katie Holmes and her Bat**** crazy husband (boyfriend at the time). It happens. Get over it!

Bale was not a household name before BB, probably not even after, and his family fiasco has no bearing on the reception of the film and his Batman character. Why am I even pointing this out to you? Heath Ledgers death was an unseen event (not a casting decision) and still the point remains, casting Ledger did NOT restrict the role to typecast expectations of who Joker should be, in fact it did the exact opposite. My point is (and I pretty sure I made this clear) is that casting Jolie would be so obvious and superficially crowd-pleasing it would diminish the chances of any deeper and authentic character shining through. Now, if all you can understand about that is some vague notion of 'celebrity status', and you're just gonna refer me to other tabloid celebrities in the franchise, then please don't bother.

[jaymes_e06]

I noticed you didn't say anything about Katie overshadowing. She in all honesty was the easy choice to play Rachel Dawes I be the casting director thought "Who's down with the kids to get them in to see the movie, why didn't I think about KATIE HOLMES! She was in that show with that boat and that creek... The kids will love her. At least Jolie can act.

[Nepenthes]

I didn't say anything Katie Holmes because she's hardly in the same league as
Jolie and Rachel Dawes is no friggin' Catwoman.

[Crook]

The thing with the "obvious" choice is I think Nolan would know how to best utilize the actor's strengths regardless of audience expectations. I mean, even with Bale, Neeson, Caine, and Eckhart, Nolan managed to capture a very unique take with each character despite all of them being conventional choices for their respective roles.

Like I said earlier, a capable actor is more likely to deliver under a capable director. I don't at all think we "need" a Ledger or an Oldman to make Catwoman, anymore than we needed another Keaton-like choice to nail the role of Batman.

[jaymes_e06]

EXACTLY^ You just said everything I wanted to say so I have nothing to say but AGREED.

[Dark Knight]

Anything to get Angelina Jolie in spandex/leather...Is fine by me!!!



I agree....I certainly wouldn't complain if she was cast at all. :wow:

Whoever does get the role, I just hope Nolan has them get into top shape and I want to see Bale in top shape as well.

[Dark Knight]

I still think the role will end up going to one of these very good actress'.....

Natalie Portman
Angelina Jolie
Rachel Weisz (I can see her as Talia also
Kate Winslet (another Talia candidate)

Nolan will have a choice of very well respected actress and he will not settle for mediocrity when it comes to casting Selina/Catwoman IMO.

No to Sossymon (or however you spell her name)...No to Russell and the only reason I say no to Cottilard is because I have questions about how well she can do an American accent.

[batboy99]

Winslet as Talia? I dont see it, i dont even really see her as Catwoman, her looks fit alot better for ivy than those two.

[Dark Knight]

Winslet as Talia? I dont see it, i dont even really see her as Catwoman, her looks fit alot better for ivy than those two.




I know what you mean, but if she remains in shape and slim than her face and acting chops can do the rest.

[markstrange]

Nolen is trying to make characters that are what comic books are based on, not the other way around. As if the Joker was a reall person at one time and later became an exaggerated comicbook villain. The same applies to two-face, Scarecrow, and ultimently Catwoman if she is indeed the next villain. So Sex appeal isn't the first we should look for when choosing actresses for the role.

I was thinking lucy liu how about you?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uR-N_JXFtKUUgM:http://www.fantom-xp.com/wallpapers/75/Lucy_Liu.jpg

[DARKMETHOD]

i just heard from a hollywood reporter that Angilina Jolie has confirmed to friends that she has agreed to play Catwoman after speaking to Chris Nolan.
now this reporter is pretty famous and does do radio shows. he was also the guy who reported Heath Ledger would be the joker a week before any news came out.
so he does had cred...
but in the end, i still wait till they are filming to beleive it. :)

[Dr. Fate]

I still think the role will end up going to one of these very good actress'.....

Natalie Portman
Angelina Jolie
Rachel Weisz (I can see her as Talia also
Kate Winslet (another Talia candidate)

Nolan will have a choice of very well respected actress and he will not settle for mediocrity when it comes to casting Selina/Catwoman IMO.

No to Sossymon (or however you spell her name)...No to Russell and the only reason I say no to Cottilard is because I have questions about how well she can do an American accent.
Portman is too small and too much of a girly girl. She's pretty but not exactly sexy.

[StorminNorman]

Portman is too small and too much of a girly girl. She's pretty but not exactly sexy.

http://www.desktopexchange.com/gallery/albums/Natalie_Portman_Wallpaper/Natalie_Portman.jpg

[Dr. Fate]

http://www.desktopexchange.com/gallery/albums/Natalie_Portman_Wallpaper/Natalie_Portman.jpg
That pic isn't showing up Norman.

[Nepenthes]

this is Normans pic

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/Natalie_Portman.jpg

http://episcopalifem.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/nat-banner-closer.jpghttp://www.pluscamerimage.pl/data/img/a1e3fdd4b8028a8.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/041104/143348__natalie_l.jpghttp://www.89.gen.tr/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/natalie-portman-ass-closer.jpg

:wow:

from the film Closer

[Anubis]

Portman is sexy (Those above pics prove that.).....but can she play dangerously sexy? I don't know.

[Crook]

She looks sexy, but still has a youthful face. Doesn't really go along with Bale's mature features.

[Dr. Fate]

this is Normans pic

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/Natalie_Portman.jpg

http://episcopalifem.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/nat-banner-closer.jpghttp://www.pluscamerimage.pl/data/img/a1e3fdd4b8028a8.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/041104/143348__natalie_l.jpghttp://www.89.gen.tr/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/natalie-portman-ass-closer.jpg

:wow:

from the film Closer
I'm still not convinced that she's the right one for Catwoman, and as Crook points out, she would look too young standing next to Bale.

[jaymes_e06]

She's hot but not right for to play Selina Kyle. Besides I've always thought of Selina having pale eyes and you know who whould be another great choice to play her. Ellen Pompeo from grey's anatomy.

[Dr. Fate]

She's hot but not right for to play Selina Kyle. Besides I've always thought of Selina having pale eyes and you know who whould be another great choice to play her. Ellen Pompeo from grey's anatomy.
I always thought Ellen would make an ideal Invisible Woman/Sue Storm-Richards actually.

Do you think anyone would actually notice her barely there role in Daredevil as Karen Page?

[jaymes_e06]

I think she would be good for both IW and CW which might be a problem. I also remember her small roles in Daredevil. I thought I was the only one to notice!lol

[Dr. Fate]

I think she would be good for both IW and CW which might be a problem. I also remember her small roles in Daredevil. I thought I was the only one to notice!lol
I remember seeing the promos for Grey's Anatomy and kept thinking "There is something so familiar about that woman..." and then of course IMDB cleared up the rest.

[batboy99]

Pompeo reminds me so much of the BTAS Poison Ivy. Catwoman, not so much

[markstrange]

Lucy Liu!

[Anubis]

Why not. Cat Woman has been Black, white, why not Asian?

[Majik1387]

Because Catwoman is no, nor has she ever been Asian.
She also has never been black until the 60's show, then Berry's POS movie. Never in the comics.

Selina is white.

[markstrange]

So. Whats this big deal... the race of characters change all the time form books to film, from comic to movie. I think she would be perfect! I get tired of people getting stuck on the small stuff when the big picture is more important.

[DieSmiling]

So. Whats this big deal... the race of characters change all the time form books to film, from comic to movie. I think she would be perfect! I get tired of people getting stuck on the small stuff when the big picture is more important.

It's a big deal to fans of an iconic character if you change something as major as race -- that's not "small stuff" it's part of what defines them. Catwoman is WHITE. She just is. You wouldn't cast Will Smith as Batman or Chow Yun-Fat as Superman.

And before you start blathering on about Eartha Kitt or Halle Berry (who wasn't even supposed to be Selina Kyle) remember they were among the worst Catwomen ever interpreted.

[regwec]

Having an Asian actress as Selina is one thing, but having an Asian actress as mediocre as Lucy Liu is quite another.

[markstrange]

It's a big deal to fans of an iconic character if you change something as major as race -- that's not "small stuff" it's part of what defines them. Catwoman is WHITE. She just is. You wouldn't cast Will Smith as Batman or Chow Yun-Fat as Superman.

And before you start blathering on about Eartha Kitt or Halle Berry (who wasn't even supposed to be Selina Kyle) remember they were among the worst Catwomen ever interpreted.

Will Smith would not make a good batman, but I could see him playing The Flash and I for one think that Hally Berry did an alright job as catwoman, it was the direction and the writing that sucked; not her acting.

[Dr. Fate]

Because Catwoman is no, nor has she ever been Asian.
She also has never been black until the 60's show, then Berry's POS movie. Never in the comics.

Selina is white.
Exactly.


It's a big deal to fans of an iconic character if you change something as major as race -- that's not "small stuff" it's part of what defines them. Catwoman is WHITE. She just is. You wouldn't cast Will Smith as Batman or Chow Yun-Fat as Superman.

And before you start blathering on about Eartha Kitt or Halle Berry (who wasn't even supposed to be Selina Kyle) remember they were among the worst Catwomen ever interpreted.

Double Exactly.

[markstrange]

Comic books ever since they have been around, have changed things.
sometimes entire backgrounds have been altered. If a Black Catwoman
or an Asian Catwoman ever found its way to the pages of a comic book
we would not be having the conversation. You most likely would expect it.
but since its a "movie" you get all flustered at the very thought. It just strikes me
as odd.

[David Rice]

Lucy Liu!

Ummm, no.

[David Rice]

Comic books ever since they have been around, have changed things. sometimes entire backgrounds have been altered. If a Black Catwoman or an Asian Catwoman ever found its way to the pages of a comic book we would not be having the conversation. You most likely would expect it. but since its a "movie" you get all flustered at the very thought. It just strikes me as odd.

Yes, we would. She's white, leave it that way.

[jaymes_e06]

Catwoman shouldn't be another ethnicity just like Professor Xavier should be bold or Superman having a "S" on his chest. It's just a part of their character.

[batboy99]

I myself wouldnt mind a black catwoman, but i know that isnt in the characters origin. I dont get why people can be ok with changing catwomans ethnicity, but when someone suggests an actor of another race for another character(mostly male), people cant stand the idea? What makes catwoman different from those characters? Shes just as important.

[markstrange]

I myself wouldnt mind a black catwoman, but i know that isnt in the characters origin. I dont get why people can be ok with changing catwomans ethnicity, but when someone suggests an actor of another race for another character(mostly male), people cant stand the idea? What makes catwoman different from those characters? Shes just as important.

Will Smith would make a good Flash.

Denzel Washington for black batman, or two face or even Green Lantern

[Dark Knight]

Portman is too small and too much of a girly girl. She's pretty but not exactly sexy.



Check out the movie Closer...she is plenty sexy enough! :wow:

[Dark Knight]

this is Normans pic

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/Natalie_Portman.jpg

http://episcopalifem.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/nat-banner-closer.jpghttp://www.pluscamerimage.pl/data/img/a1e3fdd4b8028a8.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/041104/143348__natalie_l.jpghttp://www.89.gen.tr/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/natalie-portman-ass-closer.jpg

:wow:

from the film Closer






Thats what I'm talking about! Luv her! :wow:

Can she play dangerously sexy? She has the range to do whatever role she wants IMO.

[markstrange]

Natalie Portmancould do a great job, as Catwoman. I know one thing for sure, I don't want Angelina Jolie playing Catwoman, shes picked for far too many things.

The Penguin should rise up as the new Marconi and Catwoman should be on his pay role.

[CaptainClown]

Natalie Portmancould do a great job, as Catwoman. I know one thing for sure, I don't want Angelina Jolie playing Catwoman, shes picked for far too many things.

The Penguin should rise up as the new Marconi and Catwoman should be on his pay role.
I was with you on changing the race of the character but man the guys in this thread are more militant then Blackwater.

[David Rice]

Natalie Portmancould do a great job, as Catwoman. I know one thing for sure, I don't want Angelina Jolie playing Catwoman, shes picked for far too many things.

The Penguin should rise up as the new Marconi and Catwoman should be on his pay role.

That would be so far off from her character that it wouldn't even be funny.

[CaptainClown]

I would say Rashida Jones
http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2007/02/rashida-jones-lollipop.jpg

[markstrange]

That would be so far off from her character that it wouldn't even be funny.

Not if it was her that offered her skills, She likes a good High Stake theft and getting paid in the process would not be off from her character.

[markstrange]

I was with you on changing the race of the character but man the guys in this thread are more militant then Blackwater.

lol :woot: People get that way over characters sometimes.

[Crook]

Comic books ever since they have been around, have changed things.
sometimes entire backgrounds have been altered.
Please detail such scenarios that apply to classic and iconic characters on the same level as Catwoman.

If a Black Catwoman
or an Asian Catwoman ever found its way to the pages of a comic book
we would not be having the conversation. You most likely would expect it.
but since its a "movie" you get all flustered at the very thought. It just strikes me
as odd.
Miller turned her into a dominatrix/prostitute, and people went nuts over it for years. It's so looked down upon that it's not even referenced in continuity anymore, despite it being apart one of the most heralded Batman stories. And that's just a change in occupation.

You think a complete swipe of her ethnic background which in turn would significantly change how she also looks....would go over easily with the fanbase?! :funny:

[David Rice]

Not if it was her that offered her skills, She likes a good High Stake theft and getting paid in the process would not be off from her character.

Yes, it would because Catwoman would not offer her skills Oswald, she can't stand him.

[Marx]

I think Natalie Portman could do a great job! Rahda Mitchell would be another good choice!

[markstrange]

Please detail such scenarios that apply to classic and iconic characters on the same level as Catwoman.


Miller turned her into a dominatrix/prostitute, and people went nuts over it for years. It's so looked down upon that it's not even referenced in continuity anymore, despite it being apart one of the most heralded Batman stories. And that's just a change in occupation.

You think a complete swipe of her ethnic background which in turn would significantly change how she also looks....would go over easily with the fanbase?! :funny:

Wait What! Are you saying being a Asain or a Black is worse then being a prostitute!!! I really don't think you meant that, but you need to choose your words wisely.

[Crook]

There's nothing I said that needs to be reworded. If all you can get from my post is any indication of inferior races, then that is your issue.

If you want me to put it layman's terms, changing a character's race IS more of a significant deviation than merely switching job occupations. In that context, yet it is "worse" because now you're altering the character's origins, identity, and appearance.

[markstrange]

Selina Kyle, white or not, should be raised by criminals. Because she is a female, in the midst of male driven mob, she has to work harder to get respect. She ends up becoming the greatest thief ever, known as Catwoman. She should be on the penguins pay role because she was already there from birth. later she meets batman who seems to be her ticket out of the hell hole she was born into. She can represent a new dawn, hope of a better gotham. I'm sure you'll have something to say about this one also. :D

[Crook]

Selina Kyle, white or not, should be raised by criminals.
And why would this need to occur? I can understand the poverty background, as it sets up her development into Catwoman. But why would she specifically need to be raised by criminals?

Because she is a female, in the midst of male driven mob, she has to work harder to get respect. She ends up becoming the greatest thief ever, known as Catwoman. She should be on the penguins pay role because she was already there from birth. later she meets batman who seems to be her ticket out of the hell hole she was born into. She can represent a new dawn, hope of a better gotham. I'm sure you'll have something to say about this one also. :D
Yes, I will. Either you have little grasp on the character or by re-envisioning her you are willing to strip practically everything she stands for. From that paragraph alone, you've missed the core of the character on almost all accounts.

[bane]

If Nolan decides to go with a Turbo HOT babe, that isn't Megan Fox, he should pick....................Olga Kurylenko for Catwoman!She was the Best thing in the hitman movie and now she's a "Bond" girl!
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5065/olgawy1.jpg
http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/olga-kurylenko-front.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00415/Olga_Kurylenko_415918a.jpg
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/837/837143/olga_003_1195676028.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00464/007_682x400_464308a.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/15clz6h.jpg

[Two-Face]

I Wanna do her ^ :heart: :bh:

[Maggotx9]

excelent choice

[Beanjuice]

OLGA! yes yes yes!!!

[markstrange]

And why would this need to occur? I can understand the poverty background, as it sets up her development into Catwoman. But why would she specifically need to be raised by criminals?


Yes, I will. Either you have little grasp on the character or by re-envisioning her you are willing to strip practically everything she stands for. From that paragraph alone, you've missed the core of the character on almost all accounts.

Well there was that Idea that falcone was her father, that being said, I must admit I really don't care for catwoman.

[David Rice]

If Nolan decides to go with a Turbo HOT babe, that isn't Megan Fox, he should pick....................Olga Kurylenko for Catwoman!She was the Best thing in the hitman movie and now she's a "Bond" girl!

http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/olga-kurylenko-front.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00415/Olga_Kurylenko_415918a.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00464/007_682x400_464308a.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/15clz6h.jpg

YES!!!
I Wanna do her ^ :heart: :bh:

Yeah, yeah, me too!!!! :woot:

[Dr. Fate]

Well there was that Idea that falcone was her father, that being said, I must admit I really don't care for catwoman.
Then maybe this thread isn't the best place for you to hang out.

[CaptainClown]

Then maybe this thread isn't the best place for you to hang out.
The non fans of catwoman should be equally represented :woot:

[markstrange]

Yeah! lol

[elgato]

MARION!!!!!!

http://i351.photobucket.com/albums/q472/l1i2fe/cotillardpaper02.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh283/Shou1981/Blends-Headers/blendmarionccopy.png

OR ELIZA!!!!

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd150/damany410/eliza_dushku-6.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd150/damany410/eliza_dushku_5.jpg

[jaymes_e06]

I can see Marion but NO Eliza she can't act well enough.

[Nepenthes]

If Nolan decides to go with a Turbo HOT babe, that isn't Megan Fox, he should pick....................Olga Kurylenko for Catwoman!She was the Best thing in the hitman movie and now she's a "Bond" girl!
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5065/olgawy1.jpg



Olga is physically divine for Catwoman, it would be so perfect if she could act as well. She'd also need to become a bit of a name after 007, that's important for Catwoman I think, someone who automatically excites or interests people.

Marion I'd have no problem with either.

[CaptainClown]

Rashida Jones!
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/137361777-L.jpg

[markstrange]

How about... Katee Sackhoff

[jaymes_e06]

Hmm... That would be interesting.

[markstrange]

I would love it, If she was picked. Shes Fraking awesome as Starbuck!!!

[Nepenthes]

She's awesome as Starbuck but i think it's best to cast someone who isn't already so closely identified with a "tough girl". If she was known for at least a few other roles then fine. Theron, Alicia Keys and Angelina Jolie are known for much more than they're girl power roles. Katee also doesn't have the quintessentially feminine grace and appeal. I'm not saying she not attractive, it's just not the right type maybe, depending on the final conception of Catwoman it might call for a very specific appeal.

She is a great actor though. I read an interview where she said she couldn't wait to move onto other different roles after Galactica ends, I couldn't help but agree.





edit - okay maybe I was wrong on the quintessentially feminine bit. she's a babe

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/images/2007/05/16/katee.jpghttp://www.daemonstv.com/images/scifi/katee_sackhoff2.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/spaceball.gifhttp://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/Q/Q/P/saturn07pic44.jpg

[markstrange]

I know. She makes me go from this :down to this :up: if you know what I mean :grin:

[jaymes_e06]

Katee is VERY feminine.....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/untitled-1.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/2554462318_67c1fb934f.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/katee-sackhoff-sexy-4.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/2451153556_db5b54b675_b.jpg


VERY :wow:

[Nighthawk_Fan]

If Nolan decides to go with a Turbo HOT babe, that isn't Megan Fox, he should pick....................Olga Kurylenko for Catwoman!She was the Best thing in the hitman movie and now she's a "Bond" girl!
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5065/olgawy1.jpg
http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/olga-kurylenko-front.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00415/Olga_Kurylenko_415918a.jpg
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/837/837143/olga_003_1195676028.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00464/007_682x400_464308a.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/15clz6h.jpg
i must say, she certainly has the look.

[batboy99]

I can see Marion but NO Eliza she can't act well enough.Eliza would work better for a tv series.

[gwynplaine]

Wow, Olga is hot.

[jaymes_e06]

Eliza would work better for a tv series.
I can dig that. And that would be a cool series. I mean they made BOP an Catwoman would be such a better show.:cwink:

[batboy99]

Not a catwoman stand alone series. A live action Batman series

[Ziggyman]

Not a catwoman stand alone series. A live action Batman series

Live action...Really...

I don't think a Batman series could work like that...I wouldn't want one anyways...

[jaymes_e06]

Not a catwoman stand alone series. A live action Batman series
Catwoman maybe can have a live action series but Batman. IDK it just wouldn't make any sence and there would be to many incarnation of Batman (two or three animated series and a movie franchise and a live action series I think not).

And

I think that in choosing Nolan has been known to be contriversial so why not *DRUM ROLL PLEASE*... Shannen Doherty she is sexy and vixen'y and is a great actress. She has been known for her instability and was fired from 90210 but in the spin-off (which she is apart of) everyone says she is very respectful and they gave her another chance. She may be a little unorthadox but I think she could pull off the role swimmingly. Oh yeah and HOT!

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/15772871.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/CatwomanItsOnlyAMovieTP.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/shannen_doherty_1.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jh7058622/C109099.jpg

[Mr. Earle]

I hated Catwoman. I suppose Burton's bitter execution of the character affected me, but i also could never undestand how Bruce could ever like a woman like her.
But then i saw this video made by Paul Dini (BTAS director) and i finally got to like her and understand her relationship with bruce. Mostly because she isnt behaving like a total ***** and because its just so romantic. Catwoman isnt a ***** or a psycho (damn you burton) she just cant let it go. Its like the scorpion and the swan. So go ahead and watch it!

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