Catwoman / Selina Kyle thread

[Darth Elektra]

There is one Selina/Catwoman to play in a Batman movie in my opinion.

http://www.poster.net/jolie-angelina/jolie-angelina-portrait-6500224.jpg

I agree.

[batboy99]

i love the purple suit,but it wont work in a movie,though id love to see it,it wont work

[itsthebatman]

^ Never again do I click on a link provided by you.....

C'mon! fat chicks need lovin' too!

[David Rice]

I knew there was a reason I acknowledged your existence :up::cwink:

HA HA HA But it's true man! How could a purple suit work?

[Ryan227]

C'mon! fat chicks need lovin' too!

LOL yeah but then that old saying always pops in my head, "Fat chicks are like a mo-ped, fun to ride until your friends see you on one".

[Vs-F-J]

HA HA HA But it's true man! How could a purple suit work?

Erm well I kinda showed you how with those examples of Nina Williams :whatever:

What, does Chris Nolan hate the colour purple or something? What other reason is there?

I don't really know much about Nolan, only that he made Batman Begins and I enjoyed it, but if people keep saying "Oh that could never happen because Nolan wouldn't allow it" then maybe he's kinda a jerk, and perhaps someone who's more willing to take risks should be put in charge (as long as it's not Schumacher!)

[itsthebatman]

Erm well I kinda showed you how with those examples of Nina Williams :whatever:

What, does Chris Nolan hate the colour purple or something? What other reason is there?

I don't really know much about Nolan, only that he made Batman Begins and I enjoyed it, but if people keep saying "Oh that could never happen because Nolan wouldn't allow it" then maybe he's kinda a jerk, and perhaps someone who's more willing to take risks should be put in charge (as long as it's not Schumacher!)

People say this without having any idea about what Nolan will or won't do. There is no evidence thus far to say he wouldn't allow a purple suit if Catwoman were a character, just as there is no evidence (and indeed ample to the contrary) to say that Joker will be diluted and toned-down, as many people assume. People assume that 'grounded in reality' means 'documentary'. It's still about a man who 'dresses up like Dracula' as Frank Miller puts it, it's still fantasy, and on the vidence of BB. I think Nolan knows that.

[regwec]

"Grounding" in reality really just equates to making an unrealistic element seem believable, which is what good film makers should do, and what Schumacher refused to do. Begins still had fear gas and ninjas and jet-powered cars and hand-glider-capes, but it was presented in an unironic, believable fashion. Nolan, I'm sure, does not want to fill his films with bland characters and narrative; he assuredly does want to feed the coolest ideas from Batman comics, to his audience, in digestable portions. For all we know, he may even have Batman rocket into space, but the scene would play more like Apollo 13 than Batman and Robin.

[DieSmiling]

Nolan probably wouldn't put a purple Catwoman suit in one of his movies because it would look unrealistic, campy, cheesy, and stupid. But of course, we don't know anything for sure.

[regwec]

Nolan probably wouldn't put a purple Catwoman suit in one of his movies because it would look unrealistic
Clearly, I needn't have bothered with the post just above.

[itsthebatman]

Clearly, I needn't have bothered with the post just above.

I join you in banging my head against the nearest brick wall.
http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_y/proverb4.jpg

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I don't think hes banging his head.

I think hes cutting his leg.

:wow:


EMO!!!!!!!!!!

[itsthebatman]

I don't think hes banging his head.

I think hes cutting his leg.

:wow:


EMO!!!!!!!!!!

He's doing both. Big freak.

[Spider-Fan83]

was watching an old episode of Supernatural (i think in was call "heart"?) anywho, was thinking that the woman who was in that episode, Emmanuelle Vaugier
could be an interesting Selina/Catwoman
http://users.static.freeblog.hu/s/o/r/sorozatjunkie/files/momentofbeauty/emmanuelle_vaugier01.jpg

[batboy99]

lol do you just throw random names for every casting role?lol

[Spider-Fan83]

lol do you just throw random names for every casting role?lol
ya, most of the time, why, are you saying you actually think about your picks? wow, so, you really believe in all of your picks and think there the best fit? LOL
i don't like to see more the just the same few of names, over and over again, so, i like to add new names, new ideas, sometime random thoughts, to see what people think

and it's not like, she's the most random (or worse) name, someone has suggested

[batboy99]

uh well ya,i dont throw around names of people who probably cant act
and i kinda wantto be a casting director and im not gonna cast people who again,probably cannot act and dont even look like they fit the role at all

[Spider-Fan83]

^do, you even have any idea who she is, have you ever seen her in anything? no? then how do you know she probably can't act
(I maybe not, obsess over my picks, and act like they are the one and only, perfect choice, but I don't just cast with out reasoning, or thought, behind it)

I said, that I thought of her from a role she had on a show (so, what if it was only a cameo role)
which got me thinking of other roles i'v seen her in, and I thought, she could be kinda interesting

I didn't come in her saying "hey, i just found a pic of a some hot ckick, she'd be awsome" :whatever:
claim yourself down, dude

[DieSmiling]

Clearly, I needn't have bothered with the post just above.

I'm just saying, it's highly unlikely she would wear purple in a Nolan film, just like it would be highly unlikely that Batman would wear blue and gray. What kind of cat burglar wears purple? It would look retarded.

[batboy99]

^do, you even have any idea who she is, have you ever seen her in anything? no? then how do you know she probably can't act
(I maybe not, obsess over my picks, and act like they are the one and only, perfect choice, but I don't just cast with out reasoning, or thought, behind it)

I said, that I thought of her from a role she had on a show (so, what if it was only a cameo role)
which got me thinking of other roles i'v seen her in, and I thought, she could be kinda interesting

I didn't come in her saying "hey, i just found a pic of a some hot ckick, she'd be awsome" :whatever:
claim yourself down, dude
:huh: what??and i am calm,i dont know where you are getting at
and i meant that post as a joke so i think you are the one who needs to ''claim'' down LOL:P

[Vs-F-J]

I'm just saying, it's highly unlikely she would wear purple in a Nolan film, just like it would be highly unlikely that Batman would wear blue and gray. What kind of cat burglar wears purple? It would look retarded.

Catwoman isn't just any cat burglar, is she? She does happen to be a fictional cat burglar who dresses up like a cat, wields a whip, does acrobatics etc, right? Let's not forget this is actually a movie people, gritty or not! What real cat burglars would do or wear doesn't come into it! Real crime fighters don't wear black rubber suits and bat ears, do they?

I suppose if we really wanted to make Catwoman sensible we would drop the whole 'cat' thing altogether, put her in a boilersuit and have her use an elavator instead of climbing walls! Oh that sounds like fun! :whatever:

[David Rice]

Erm well I kinda showed you how with those examples of Nina Williams :whatever:

What, does Chris Nolan hate the colour purple or something? What other reason is there?

I don't really know much about Nolan, only that he made Batman Begins and I enjoyed it, but if people keep saying "Oh that could never happen because Nolan wouldn't allow it" then maybe he's kinda a jerk, and perhaps someone who's more willing to take risks should be put in charge (as long as it's not Schumacher!)

People say this without having any idea about what Nolan will or won't do. There is no evidence thus far to say he wouldn't allow a purple suit if Catwoman were a character, just as there is no evidence (and indeed ample to the contrary) to say that Joker will be diluted and toned-down, as many people assume. People assume that 'grounded in reality' means 'documentary'. It's still about a man who 'dresses up like Dracula' as Frank Miller puts it, it's still fantasy, and on the vidence of BB. I think Nolan knows that.

That picture you showed me looks like ****! It reminds me of the Berry Catwoman.

ERRRR, get this thought your heads people! Nolan = Reality! If Catwoman were real she would not have a purple suit. It would NEVER happen. She would wear black to hide in the shadows just the way Batman does.

[David Rice]

"Grounding" in reality really just equates to making an unrealistic element seem believable, which is what good film makers should do, and what Schumacher refused to do. Begins still had fear gas and ninjas and jet-powered cars and hand-glider-capes, but it was presented in an unironic, believable fashion. Nolan, I'm sure, does not want to fill his films with bland characters and narrative; he assuredly does want to feed the coolest ideas from Batman comics, to his audience, in digestable portions. For all we know, he may even have Batman rocket into space, but the scene would play more like Apollo 13 than Batman and Robin.

YES!!! Thank you!!!!!!

Nolan probably wouldn't put a purple Catwoman suit in one of his movies because it would look unrealistic, campy, cheesy, and stupid. But of course, we don't know anything for sure.

Clearly, I needn't have bothered with the post just above.

I join you in banging my head against the nearest brick wall.
http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_y/proverb4.jpg

I too am BANGING AWAY!!!!!

[Doc Holliday]

I join you in banging my head against the nearest brick wall.
http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_y/proverb4.jpg

Monty Python anyone?

I would write out the "Latin" (don't know if it's actually Latin or not) chant, but I don't really know what they say.

[Vs-F-J]

[b]
That picture you showed me looks like ****! It reminds me of the Berry Catwoman.

Oh yeah I can see the similarity! SO similar it's uncanny :whatever:. Halle Berry on the brain is not something I'd boast about.

[b]ERRRR, get this thought your heads people! Nolan = Reality! If Catwoman were real she would not have a purple suit. It would NEVER happen. She would wear black to hide in the shadows just the way Batman does.

Reality? People dressing up in costumes to commit and fight crime? Riiiiiiight :whatever: The true reality is that it's a bloody film, so characters can wear whatever they like and it can be MADE believable if the director is good enough! First and foremost Catwoman has to look cool, and I don't care if her outfit's made out of cotton candy to achieve this!

I agree with what the other guys said before - people seem to think they have a telepathic link with Nolan or something, but they don't know squat! Right now anything's possible :wow: Maybe Nolan won't even be directing them by the time Selina turns up and the new director might have a more open mind.

I say Catwoman should start off wearing her purple catsuit (she's just turned up in Gotham City, she wants to show off, be flamboyant etc) but she should adopt the black Hush costume (with steel cable whip) as the story gets more serious and she finds herself in more dangerous situations!

[StorminNorman]

The only reason for a Cat Burgler to wear a purple suit is to appease fanboys. Thats not good enough.

And just because I know you will use the "well look at Batman's suit" excuse, the Bat motif of Bruce's suit is to serve a purpose. It creates a symbol that a simply bullet proof suit alone would not do. Now the mere hint of a bat will scare the **** out of Gotham's criminals - he has filled the underworld with chiroptophobia.

Why would Catwoman chose a purple suit, much less one with a tail that would do nothing but hinder her criminal activities? Black is understandable - it gives you camouflage. A cat motif is understandable, in a world of increasing "freak crime" any Gotham criminal - especially a woman - would feel the need of creating their own symbol. But again, the purple is pointless and unnecessary.

Not to mention it is incredibly hideous and would god-awful on film. As would as spandex batsuit. Or Louie Anderson.

[David Rice]

Oh yeah I can see the similarity! SO similar it's uncanny :whatever:. Halle Berry on the brain is not something I'd boast about.

Reality? People dressing up in costumes to commit and fight crime? Riiiiiiight :whatever: The true reality is that it's a bloody film, so characters can wear whatever they like and it can be MADE believable if the director is good enough! First and foremost Catwoman has to look cool, and I don't care if her outfit's made out of cotton candy to achieve this!

I agree with what the other guys said before - people seem to think they have a telepathic link with Nolan or something, but they don't know squat! Right now anything's possible :wow: Maybe Nolan won't even be directing them by the time Selina turns up and the new director might have a more open mind.

I say Catwoman should start off wearing her purple catsuit (she's just turned up in Gotham City, she wants to show off, be flamboyant etc) but she should adopt the black Hush costume (with steel cable whip) as the story gets more serious and she finds herself in more dangerous situations!

Uhhhh, ok why not? I never said I HAD her on the brain, but if I did what's wrong with that?

Well, I got news for ya pal. The reason why Nolan's film worked for the people (not fans) was because it was grounded and NOT over the top. We're not tying to make another B&R here.

A woman in a purple Catwoman suit is WAY over the top and your cotton candy comment tells me that you are way too young to know what the hell you talking about.

No, they can't wear whatever they want and B&R proved that.

We don't think we have a link with Nolan. We are making judgements based on what we have seen. Oh, and new director with an open mind = B&R.

[David Rice]

The only reason for a Cat Burgler to wear a purple suit is to appease fanboys. Thats not good enough.

And just because I know you will use the "well look at Batman's suit" excuse, the Bat motif of Bruce's suit is to serve a purpose. It creates a symbol that a simply bullet proof suit alone would not do. Now the mere hint of a bat will scare the **** out of Gotham's criminals - he has filled the underworld with chiroptophobia.

Why would Catwoman chose a purple suit, much less one with a tail that would do nothing but hinder her criminal activities? Black is understandable - it gives you camouflage. A cat motif is understandable, in a world of increasing "freak crime" any Gotham criminal - especially a woman - would feel the need of creating their own symbol. But again, the purple is pointless and unnecessary.

Not to mention it is incredibly hideous and would god-awful on film. As would as spandex batsuit. Or Louie Anderson.

AHHHHHH, Genius!!! Thank you Noman.

[StorminNorman]

[b]

Uhhhh, ok why not? I never said I HAD her on the brain, but if I did what's wrong with that?

Well, I got news for ya pal. The reason why Nolan's film worked for the people (not fans) was because it was grounded and NOT over the top. We're not tying to make another B&R here.

A woman in a purple Catwoman suit is WAY over the top and you cotton candy comment proves you are way too young to know what the hell you talking about.

No, they can't wear whatever they want and B&R proved that.

We don't think we have a link with Nolan. We are making judgements based on what we have seen. Oh, and new director with an open mind = B&R.

The problem with B&R is not the look of the film, but the horrible writing and campy nature of the film as a whole. While I agree with your point - purple cat suit = no no, your use of B&R as a point against it is off.

[David Rice]

The problem with B&R is not the look of the film, but the horrible writing and campy nature of the film as a whole. While I agree with your point - purple cat suit = no no, your use of B&R as a point against it is off.

That is not the only problem. The look of the film was horrible as well. The bright colors and the flare! AHHHHHHH!

[StorminNorman]

That is not the only problem. The look of the film was horrible as well. The bright colors and the flare! AHHHHHHH!

While I am not a fan of the bright colors and neon - a doable film could of been done with it.

Picture it - Gotham starts out as a dark, gothic city with petrified citizens and controlled by mobs. (Tim Burton) However a symbol of hope comes and the organized crime starts to be ousted by the Batman, forcing traditional bosses out of Gotham. The only people crazy enough to stand up against Batman? Crazy people. You now have the freakish, mentally unstable criminal Batman fights in Forever and B&R. Their outlandish outfits mirror their own shattered minds.

The city has become a neon urban jungle because the people are now willing to venture into the streets. With the mob bosses gone businesses are no longer afraid to invest in the city. Also with traditional organized crime now no longer safe in Gotham, corrupt business men must now make the public believe their city is full of life and hope, in an attempt to hide their own dirty doings. How do you do this? Make Gotham become another Vegas. Enter the Neon baby!

And now to defend the Bat Nipples. If Batman is trying to display himself as an actual creature of the night, it is reasonable that he would want to make his costume look as organic and naturalistic as possible. So by giving the costume the features of a normal mammal (abs, muscle definition, nipples) you can extend the facade of Batman being more than merely "some ******* in a costume".

Now if you could fit that all into the script, you would have a doable movie without removing many of the visible aspects of Batman and Robin, and to a lesser extent, Batman Forever.

[David Rice]

While I am not a fan of the bright colors and neon - a doable film could of been done with it.

Picture it - Gotham starts out as a dark, gothic city with petrified citizens and controlled by mobs. (Tim Burton) However a symbol of hope comes and the organized crime starts to be ousted by the Batman, forcing traditional bosses out of Gotham. The only people crazy enough to stand up against Batman? Crazy people. You now have the freakish, mentally unstable criminal Batman fights in Forever and B&R. Their outlandish outfits mirror their own shattered minds.

The city has become a neon urban jungle because the people are now willing to venture into the streets. With the mob bosses gone businesses are no longer afraid to invest in the city. Also with traditional organized crime now no longer safe in Gotham, corrupt business men must now make the public believe their city is full of life and hope, in an attempt to hide their own dirty doings. How do you do this? Make Gotham become another Vegas. Enter the Neon baby!

And now to defend the Bat Nipples. If Batman is trying to display himself as an actual creature of the night, it is reasonable that he would want to make his costume look as organic and naturalistic as possible. So by giving the costume the features of a normal mammal (abs, muscle definition, nipples) you can extend the facade of Batman being more than merely "some ******* in a costume".

Now if you could fit that all into the script, you would have a doable movie without removing many of the visible aspects of Batman and Robin, and to a lesser extent, Batman Forever.

Sorry man, I will never be about to see it that way. I hate those movies and Joel should hang himself for making them. Good points though..

[StorminNorman]

Sorry man, I will never be about to see it that way. I hate those movies and Joel should hang himself for making them. Good points though..

Oh I am not trying to defend those movies in the least. I am just saying that there could of been a valid reason for Gotham looking like it did, for the criminals costumes to look like they did and even for Batman to have nipples.

But the piss poor script did not give any rhyme or reason for the dramatic change in style from Burton to Schumacher and the campy nature mixed with the neon and jazz to seem to mock the character of Batman as well as the comic genre in general.

I wish we could of seen Joel take Batman seriously in film-form. Sadly that will never happen, it could of been great. :(

To bring this conversation back to the matter-at-hand, if someone could give me a reason why a rational human being would prance around the rooftops of Gotham wearing a bright purple catsuit, by all means educate and possibly entertain me. If you can't defend it past "well it was in the comics" then you aren't doin much.

[David Rice]

Oh I am not trying to defend those movies in the least. I am just saying that there could of been a valid reason for Gotham looking like it did, for the criminals costumes to look like they did and even for Batman to have nipples.

But the piss poor script did not give any rhyme or reason for the dramatic change in style from Burton to Schumacher and the campy nature mixed with the neon and jazz to seem to mock the character of Batman as well as the comic genre in general.

I wish we could of seen Joel take Batman seriously in film-form. Sadly that will never happen, it could of been great. :(

To bring this conversation back to the matter-at-hand, if someone could give me a reason why a rational human being would prance around the rooftops of Gotham wearing a bright purple catsuit, by all means educate and possibly entertain me. If you can't defend it past "well it was in the comics" then you aren't doin much.


I get ya about B&R. I see your point now. I think we should give up on the purple suit thing though. Nobody is going to change these guys ideas. The truth is if I were 16 then a purple suit would sound great to me too.

Black is realistic!
Black is sleaker!
Black blends better
Black is hot! (Returns)
Black is sexy! (Returns)
Black is better!

Here we go!

http://www.gulacy.com/dc/catwoman/catwoman-37/catwoman37-08.jpg

http://www.gulacy.com/dc/catwoman/catwoman-30/catwoman30-02-03.jpg

http://www.gulacy.com/dc/catwoman/catwoman-42/catwoman42-cover.jpg

[regwec]

To bring this conversation back to the matter-at-hand, if someone could give me a reason why a rational human being would prance around the rooftops of Gotham wearing a bright purple catsuit, by all means educate and possibly entertain me. If you can't defend it past "well it was in the comics" then you aren't doin much.

Well, if we see Catwoman at all, then she will most likely be in her earliest, thrill-seeking, cat burglar guise; rather than in her later, vigilante incarnation. The motivation for our Catwoman is likely to be the persuit of excitement, adrenaline, and fame, as well as simple material wealth. With that in mind, she would likely design her outfit for its arresting asthetics, in order to better galvanise her infamy. She may even decide to wear a deliberately impracticle colour, in order to increase the thrills. A costume of this nature needn't be purple, but there is no reason why it shouldn't be, either.

Catwoman's costume has changed more than almost any other character's throughout her history. The costume we see in the movie (if we ever do) should reflect the kind of Catwoman they want script- femme fatale, glamorous gold digger, or streetfighting do-gooder. I happen to prefer her when depicted as a materialistically and sexually greedy adrenaline-junky. The purple costume suits that purpose as well as any.

[regwec]

A woman in a purple Catwoman suit is WAY over the top and your cotton candy comment tells me that you are way too young to know what the hell you talking about.

You seem very eager to speak pejoratively of other people's youth or age, yet both your "insight" and your language are very immature.

[itsthebatman]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/37/250px-Catwoman-ninelives-tpb.jpg
I like the grey and black ones best. Can you imagine Angelina Jolie squeezing into that purple one on the left? Yummy.

[David Rice]

You seem very eager to speak pejoratively of other people's youth or age, yet both your "insight" and your language are very immature.

HA HA HA!

Ok, well I'm sorry you think so.

I'm sorry my "insight" and my language skills are not up to your level.

I'm sorry this is only a message board and I don't feel the need to show off my insight and language skills to impress everyone.

However, I am glad that you know me so well based on what I write on this board.

Yeeeeeah! :whatever:

[Two-Face]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/37/250px-Catwoman-ninelives-tpb.jpg
I like the grey and black ones best. Can you imagine Angelina Jolie squeezing into that purple one on the left? Yummy.


Oh yeah, I can see Jolie in that purple cat costume!:woot:

[regwec]

HA HA HA!

Ok, well I'm sorry you think so.

I'm sorry my "insight" and my language skills are not up to your level.

I'm sorry this is only a message board and I don't feel the need to show off my insight and language skills to impress everyone.

However, I am glad that you know me so well based on what I write on this board.

Yeeeeeah! :whatever:
You misunderstand me- I haven't said that you are immature, only that you are behaving immaturely while accusing others of the same. And again, you have criticised me for rushing to judge you, when you did exactly the same with Vs-F-J. Just be cool.

[itsthebatman]

Oh yeah, I can see Jolie in that purple cat costume!:woot:

Knew you'd like that idea, Two-Face.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I seriously prefer no other costume besides the black umpsuit and goggles - if any costume from the comics makes it into the movie it should be that. It's faithful to the comics while being realistic to the world.

But then again I'm talking about Batman 3

[Vs-F-J]

You misunderstand me- I haven't said that you are immature, only that you are behaving immaturely while accusing others of the same. And again, you have criticised me for rushing to judge you, when you did exactly the same with Vs-F-J. Just be cool.

Thanks regwec!

I got no problem with you gothamcentral, we've agreed on things in the past and we see eye-to-eye now and then. But maybe you could be a little less critical and quick to judge. Actually I'm an adult in my twenties, not a child or teenager, so I'm not easily patronised. The cotton candy comment was a flamboyant joke, not puerility.

I agree with regwec, I like the idea of Catwoman being an attention-seeker and wanting to look flamboyant and glamorous, and so she wears a very aesthetic, eye-catching catsuit to start off with. After all, cats are very vain! I'm not talking green spandex and red coned wigs though! It would have to be very dark purple, sleek, sexy and tight. Something that makes her feel good!

But I'm not against black at all! Of course black is the iconic colour for Catwoman and I love it, that's why I think she should build up to wearing the black suit, once the story gets more serious and she wants to show she means business and is not playing around any more! That way it will have a big impact, and would reflect that she has progressed towards finding her identity as the Catwoman we know.

[Spider-Fan83]

http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/catsuit.jpg

[David Rice]

You misunderstand me- I haven't said that you are immature, only that you are behaving immaturely while accusing others of the same. And again, you have criticised me for rushing to judge you, when you did exactly the same with Vs-F-J. Just be cool.

Ok, I misunderstand you then. But I didn't accuse anyone of being immature and I wasn't criticising you man. I'm just fooling about... So you be cool sucka! :woot:

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/5d/images.art.com/images/-/Be-Cool---John-Travolta-advanced--C10215580.jpeg

[David Rice]

Thanks regwec!

I got no problem with you gothamcentral, we've agreed on things in the past and we see eye-to-eye now and then. But maybe you could be a little less critical and quick to judge. Actually I'm an adult in my twenties, not a child or teenager, so I'm not easily patronised. The cotton candy comment was a flamboyant joke, not puerility.

I agree with regwec, I like the idea of Catwoman being an attention-seeker and wanting to look flamboyant and glamorous, and so she wears a very aesthetic, eye-catching catsuit to start off with. After all, cats are very vain! I'm not talking green spandex and red coned wigs though! It would have to be very dark purple, sleek, sexy and tight. Something that makes her feel good!

But I'm not against black at all! Of course black is the iconic colour for Catwoman and I love it, that's why I think she should build up to wearing the black suit, once the story gets more serious and she wants to show she means business and is not playing around any more! That way it will have a big impact, and would reflect that she has progressed towards finding her identity as the Catwoman we know.

Alright! I sorry if I've patronised you. Clearly I have miss juged what you said Sir. Please accept my sincere apologies! You are a gentlemen and a scolor!

[DieSmiling]

Catwoman isn't just any cat burglar, is she? She does happen to be a fictional cat burglar who dresses up like a cat, wields a whip, does acrobatics etc, right? Let's not forget this is actually a movie people, gritty or not! What real cat burglars would do or wear doesn't come into it! Real crime fighters don't wear black rubber suits and bat ears, do they?

I suppose if we really wanted to make Catwoman sensible we would drop the whole 'cat' thing altogether, put her in a boilersuit and have her use an elavator instead of climbing walls! Oh that sounds like fun! :whatever:

You're completely missing the point. The point is, if you took these characters from an unrealistic comic book world, and placed them in a world grounded in realism, how would it work? Make the most sense?

Would Batman wear blue and gray tights? No, that would be ridiculous. It would look stupid and wouldn't seem practical. Instead he wears all black bulletproof armor, what a guy doing what he's doing would need to wear.

Is Ra's Al Ghul literally immortal, lowering himself into the lazerus pit, or is he a man grounded in reality who is immortal in a different way?

Face it, you can talk about how none of this is realistic at all (of course it isn't) but in Nolan's world THERE IS NO WAY CATWOMAN WOULD EVER WEAR PURPLE. I'll bet anyone $10,000 that a purple Catwoman suit never shows up in a Nolan movie. It's just not his style; look at how low key the Scarecrow is.

[Vs-F-J]

You're completely missing the point. The point is, if you took these characters from an unrealistic comic book world, and placed them in a world grounded in realism, how would it work? Make the most sense?

Would Batman wear blue and gray tights? No, that would be ridiculous. It would look stupid and wouldn't seem practical. Instead he wears all black bulletproof armor, what a guy doing what he's doing would need to wear.

Is Ra's Al Ghul literally immortal, lowering himself into the lazerus pit, or is he a man grounded in reality who is immortal in a different way?

Face it, you can talk about how none of this is realistic at all (of course it isn't) but in Nolan's world THERE IS NO WAY CATWOMAN WOULD EVER WEAR PURPLE. I'll bet anyone $10,000 that a purple Catwoman suit never shows up in a Nolan movie. It's just not his style; look at how low key the Scarecrow is.

I take your point (kinda), but I think you're missing mine. I'm not saying I think Catwoman will wear a purple catsuit, I'm saying I think it might be a good idea. Do you see the difference?

And I'm not saying I want an exclusively purple Catwoman - I think she should wear a number of different catsuits to reflect her multi-dimensional image, but the Hush outfit (or some other black catsuit) should be her main one.

Come on now, I think we've exhausted this purple catsuit debate now - let's discuss something else! :wow:

[regwec]

I'll bet anyone $10,000 that a purple Catwoman suit never shows up in a Nolan movie. It's just not his style; look at how low key the Scarecrow is.

Yes, The Scarecrow wears a monstrously sinister sack-mask and a torn straightjacket, speaks in a distorted voice, cackles like Satan, shoots hallucinagenic gas from his wrists and rides a horse that appears to breathe fire.

All of those things might be seen in a suburban park or shopping centre any day of the week. But when was the last time you saw someone wearing purple?

[bkey]

wow. An unecessary bump of a 9 month old thread. So what do u guys think? Selina in or not? I hear there are some blond actresses cast in some unnamed roles. Selina and Harley Quinn anyone?

[DieSmiling]

Not in. I hope she's in the third. How did that porn shot never get taken down by a mod?

[The Battousai]

wow. An unecessary bump of a 9 month old thread. So what do u guys think? Selina in or not? I hear there are some blond actresses cast in some unnamed roles. Selina and Harley Quinn anyone?

They won't touch Harley - the most they'll do for her is a nod (like when she's a psychiatrist), but they wouldn't make the appearance known beforehand.

Kyle's a possibility, but I'm not counting on it.

[Spade]

If they do anything with her, I imagine that it would just be a fleeting line at the end of this film in the same vein as the Joker issue that Gordon brought up with Bruce at the end of Begins.

As far as what I expect? A whip, a penchant for elaborate burglary, and some flirtatious interaction with Mr. Wayne. The costume I could care less about, though it would be a treat to see something that makes sure no one will confuse her for the Pitof take on the character.

[Batnam]

Wtf.. How is that pic sill on here?

[aaron smith]

I don't want to dip my toes into the suit color shark tank, but have a few thoughts.
For one, I know it's probably canon, but does Selina HAVE to be tall, as has been mentioned in consideration of actresses? This picture was mentioned as classic a few pages back, and she doesn't look particularly lanky here. Wouldn't it make more sense for her image of Catwoman if she was a little shorter?

http://www.nearmintheroes.com/coolcovers/CatwomanCv42.jpg

Minor thought, but beyond that I think the vigilante/Robin Hood portrayal would be most cinematically interesting. We'll have had at least one contrasting portrayal of someone trying to do good but struggling or twisted in their manner of going about it in both BB (Gordon and Ra's) and TDK (Dent) and otherwise wouldn't have such a contrast in the third movie, and will by that time have plenty of random thugs, robbers, murderers, and maniacs to cover those bases. It would be something new, differentiate this portrayal from Pfieffers, and provide another contrast to Bruce's and Two-Face's methods of dealing with crime if that is explored in the third movie.
Whichever way, I think it will be important to show that she was inspired by Batman and forging her own path in her best understanding of his footsteps.

[BatmanFanatic]

I seriously prefer no other costume besides the black umpsuit and goggles - if any costume from the comics makes it into the movie it should be that. It's faithful to the comics while being realistic to the world.

But then again I'm talking about Batman 3

What!? Why not the purple body suit? Or the dark gray? That's faithful... the black is the newest version. =( It's all "urban-goth-anime" style.

[BatmanFanatic]

Face it, you can talk about how none of this is realistic at all (of course it isn't) but in Nolan's world THERE IS NO WAY CATWOMAN WOULD EVER WEAR PURPLE. I'll bet anyone $10,000 that a purple Catwoman suit never shows up in a Nolan movie. It's just not his style; look at how low key the Scarecrow is.

#1.) In Nolans world there would never be a Catwoman.
#2.) There is no reason if there was to be a Catwoman she couldn't wear a dark, non-reflective purple.
#3.) I bet people would have said "in Nolans world, there would never be a gimmicky bat-pod-pops-out-of-the-tumbler sequence..." but there is. So don't think his brand of "realism" can't have some serious loopholes.

[batman_gr]

lol ya know what,im working on anotherm naip so ill just post this one someone made forme
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/Batman/cat3S-1.jpg


this is by far the worst idea evah...i'd rather see reese witherspoon...really...

[Doctor Baywatch]

Man, Scarlett Johansson is such a stupid idea to play Catwoman. She has a totally wrong body for the role.

[Gianakin_]

#1.) In Nolans world there would never be a Catwoman.
#2.) There is no reason if there was to be a Catwoman she couldn't wear a dark, non-reflective purple.
#3.) I bet people would have said "in Nolans world, there would never be a gimmicky bat-pod-pops-out-of-the-tumbler sequence..." but there is. So don't think his brand of "realism" can't have some serious loopholes.

I think it would be a VERY interesting challenge for Nolan to introduce another character with a themed costume. I mean, Ra's, Joker, Two-Face, those people don't have suits in the conventional meaning of the superhero world.
Scarecrow's costume was a straightjacket and his mask was rarely used.

Catwoman, on the other hand, has a cat-themed attire, which Nolan would have to approach like Batman's costume in BB (it's less complicated, naturally), so I'd like to see if he'd want to do, and then how he'd do it.

[regwec]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/sienna.jpg

Once again, for good measure.

[BatmanFanatic]

I think it would be a VERY interesting challenge for Nolan to introduce another character with a themed costume. I mean, Ra's, Joker, Two-Face, those people don't have suits in the conventional meaning of the superhero world.
Scarecrow's costume was a straightjacket and his mask was rarely used.

Catwoman, on the other hand, has a cat-themed attire, which Nolan would have to approach like Batman's costume in BB (it's less complicated, naturally), so I'd like to see if he'd want to do, and then how he'd do it.

May be interesting, but that doesn't change the fact it's not happening. For there to be a story with Selina it would have to take place over more than one film, and as we know she is not in this film, she wont be in the next one either.

I also think Nolan is more interested in Batman-the-asexual-superhero than the Batman with a strange sturring in his pants. A film about the sexual tension between the criminal Catwoman and the justice of Batman would not play to Nolans strengths...it would be a character driven film rather than a plot and twist driven film.

[Gianakin_]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/sienna.jpg

Once again, for good measure.

You win. By far the best choice. She was the only good thing in RE2.

[Gianakin_]

May be interesting, but that doesn't change the fact it's not happening. For there to be a story with Selina it would have to take place over more than one film, and as we know she is not in this film, she wont be in the next one either.

I also think Nolan is more interested in Batman-the-asexual-superhero than the Batman with a strange sturring in his pants. A film about the sexual tension between the criminal Catwoman and the justice of Batman would not play to Nolans strengths...it would be a character driven film rather than a plot and twist driven film.

Both valid points, but we don't know yet. True, I'm talking out of hope that I'll one day see it, but still. I don't know. At this point, we're both speculating.

[regwec]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/sienna.jpg

Once again, for good measure.
That's a great idea, Regwec!

[Gianakin_]

That's a great idea, Regwec!

You got Two-faced?:woot:

[regwec]

Well, I respect my opinion and am always gratified to recieve my own endorsement.

[Gianakin_]

Well, I respect my opinion and am always gratified to recieve my own endorsement.

For this choice you made for Catwoman, you are indeed.

[batman_gr]

we can guess all we want but it's clearly sure that no matter what we guess,no matter who we would like to see as catwoman (if there will ever be one) nolan is going to surprise us.i tell you this,noone guessed correctly for batman or the joker or anyone.the casting up to now has been a surpriseand i think that nolan is able to surprise us again if he wants to.he is not going to go for the expected like jolie(for christs sake man?!wtf) beckinsale or the RE2 girl.

still my hope lies with rachel weisz and yes..Reese Witherspoon!

[regwec]

You're right, Nolan would probably try to make a huge departure from the essence of the character, which his supporters would then laud as "perfect".

Judi Dench, perhaps?

[Gianakin_]

Well, Bale had been a fan favorite for Batman since before 2004, I believe. But yes, we'll probably get a surprise casting, like the Joker and Harvey Dent.

[Dark Sentinel]

regwec, who is that actress? she looks familiar but i cant place her

[Gianakin_]

regwec, who is that actress? she looks familiar but i cant place her

Siena Guillory from Resident Evil 2 (Jill Valentine) and Helen of Troy (TV movie, she was Helen).

[jtfaria]

Judi Dench, perhaps?

Why not Judy Tenuta (http://www.judytenuta.com/index2.html)?

[batman_gr]

You're right, Nolan would probably try to make a huge departure from the essence of the character, which his supporters would then laud as "perfect".

Judi Dench, perhaps?



just imagine that...god...you have officially ruined my day!:woot:

[batman_gr]

Why not Judy Tenuta (http://www.judytenuta.com/index2.html)?


now that's a great choice for Batman : Year 100 .

i agree with you giannakin.i ve been wanting to see bale as batman ever since american psycho.he was great.but he was the least expected.i mean everybody was into that role from jackman to eastwood if they were to do an older version of bats.hell,even cillian murphy was cast as batman too!

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, at one point they were going to do Batman Beyond and there was talk of Paul Newman as Bruce Wayne.

But despite everything, I'd be interested to see a "huge departure from the essence of the character" type of Catwoman. The comics' Catwoman never really did anything to me (apart from the Loeb Catwoman). So far, the best version of her, to me, is Burton's.

I'd like to see an equally departed (but also equally compelling) character from the comics and the romance between her and Bale's Batman. That alone would make the film for me.

[batman_gr]

^^ what you said...

[ALP]

We won't see her in The Dark Knight, but if her name is mentioned then I'd say theres a big chance of Catwoman being in B3

[David Rice]

#1.) In Nolans world there would never be a Catwoman.
#2.) There is no reason if there was to be a Catwoman she couldn't wear a dark, non-reflective purple.
#3.) I bet people would have said "in Nolans world, there would never be a gimmicky bat-pod-pops-out-of-the-tumbler sequence..." but there is. So don't think his brand of "realism" can't have some serious loopholes.

1. You don't know that. Nolan could be very fond of Catwoman and we just don't know it yet.
2. Yes there is. It's the same reason you will never see Batman in blue and grey in a film.
3. I believe that bat-pod-pops-out-of-the-tumbler sequence was just a rumor started by BOF and then it was later was debunked.

May be interesting, but that doesn't change the fact it's not happening. For there to be a story with Selina it would have to take place over more than one film, and as we know she is not in this film, she wont be in the next one either.

That's not really true. It doesn't have to happen that way. Look at TDK. The Joker is a huge character! There was only a small cameo that lead up to him in this film. They could do the same thing for Catwoman.

Maybe they could leave it a mystery. Who really knows? There are so many ways she could be done.

[Mr. Socko]

I think it would be a VERY interesting challenge for Nolan to introduce another character with a themed costume. I mean, Ra's, Joker, Two-Face, those people don't have suits in the conventional meaning of the superhero world.
Scarecrow's costume was a straightjacket and his mask was rarely used.

Catwoman, on the other hand, has a cat-themed attire, which Nolan would have to approach like Batman's costume in BB (it's less complicated, naturally), so I'd like to see if he'd want to do, and then how he'd do it.

As you said, Joker and Ra's don't even wear 'themed costumes', but even their look was subtracted on film(for me). I feel the same way about the Scarecrow. It's great that Nolan knows how to nail a character in terms of well, characterization...but I am left disappointed in terms of visualization of his villains. I prefer a more comic book look and I feel as if Chris Nolan and the filmmakers have stripped the characters of their more fantastical looks for more realistic looks. And at this point, I am convinced Two Face probably won't wear a two-toned suit.

May be interesting, but that doesn't change the fact it's not happening. For there to be a story with Selina it would have to take place over more than one film, and as we know she is not in this film, she wont be in the next one either.

I also think Nolan is more interested in Batman-the-asexual-superhero than the Batman with a strange sturring in his pants. A film about the sexual tension between the criminal Catwoman and the justice of Batman would not play to Nolans strengths...it would be a character driven film rather than a plot and twist driven film.

I don't think I understand where this line of thinking comes from. Previously she has been handled well within one film, and TDK will be Joker's film. One movie is sufficient I believe.

[ALP]

Why not Judy Tenuta (http://www.judytenuta.com/index2.html)?


Is this a joke?

[Gianakin_]

As you said, Joker and Ra's don't even wear 'themed costumes', but even their look was subtracted on film(for me). I feel the same way about the Scarecrow. It's great that Nolan knows how to nail a character in terms of well, characterization...but I am left disappointed in terms of visualization of his villains. I prefer a more comic book look and I feel as if Chris Nolan and the filmmakers have stripped the characters of their more fantastical looks for more realistic looks. And at this point, I am convinced Two Face probably won't wear a two-toned suit.

Well, I see where you're coming from, but whenever I think of Al Ghul, I don't think of his clothes. Whenever I think of Joker, I think of purple and the white/red/green combo on his face. I see those in TDK with the Joker.
Scarecrow, sure, he had a hinge of a costume in the end, but dare I say I like it more than he best of all the other versions (namely, the 4th season of BTAS)? So, I'm covered there.
As for Two-Face's suit, I won't even miss it. If it's there, fine, good. If not, fine, good.
As for Catwoman, I predict she will be handled like Scarecrow. But, I'd like to see parallels between her and Bats, and one of them could easily be a full costume.

[David Rice]

Is this a joke?

God I hope so! :csad:

[Dr. Fate]

Alas, I still fear that we'll never see Catwoman in Nolan's films simply because of the failure & bad reputation of that horrid Halle Berry Catwoman film. We may have to wait a long time before seeing her again just because WB may think people haven't forgotten that craptacular failure. :csad:

[David Rice]

Alas, I still fear that we'll never see Catwoman in Nolan's films simply because of the failure & bad reputation of that horrid Halle Berry Catwoman film. We may have to wait a long time before seeing her again just because WB may think people haven't forgotten that craptacular failure. :csad:

I disagree, WB trusts Nolan's vision and we all know he could deliver a bad as Catwoman.

[Dr. Fate]

I disagree, WB trusts Nolan's vision and we all know he could deliver a bad as Catwoman.
Trust me, I want to see what he could do with her, and I'm sure he can do good things with her character, I just don't want to get my hopes up just yet.

[David Rice]

Trust me, I want to see what he could do with her, and I'm sure he can do good things with her character, I just don't want to get my hopes up just yet.

I hear that! :cwink:

[Art Damage]

Any incarnation of Catwoman is just a disaster for this saga of the Batman story. I'm just so sick of the character..

[Vs-F-J]

For one, I know it's probably canon, but does Selina HAVE to be tall, as has been mentioned in consideration of actresses? This picture was mentioned as classic a few pages back, and she doesn't look particularly lanky here. Wouldn't it make more sense for her image of Catwoman if she was a little shorter?.

Blasphemy! Catwoman has always been a tall and sexy woman with a dancer/model's physique! Her cannon height is 5'7"-5'8", and the word you're looking for is statuesque, not lanky. Why would anyone want to see Catwoman as a little dwarf anyway? :whatever:

On another note, I for one think that a little trot down purple lane with Catwoman's costume could be quite doable, especially if one is intelligent enough to make it work. It would work if it was a very dark purple colour that looked completely black when she's out in the dark and shadows, but has a purple tint in bright light.

If she's portrayed as a professional cat burglar then this wouldn't be a plausible idea, but if Selina's portrayed the way I see her: a vain and glamorous thrill-seeker with a taste for style and a disregard for rules, then a dark purple suit would reflect her personality well. After a couple of close-shaves with Batman she could realise that perhaps purple is not the most sensible colour to wear, and decide to switch to black leather :cwink:.

[Mr. Socko]

Well, I see where you're coming from, but whenever I think of Al Ghul, I don't think of his clothes. Whenever I think of Joker, I think of purple and the white/red/green combo on his face. I see those in TDK with the Joker.
Scarecrow, sure, he had a hinge of a costume in the end, but dare I say I like it more than he best of all the other versions (namely, the 4th season of BTAS)? So, I'm covered there.
As for Two-Face's suit, I won't even miss it. If it's there, fine, good. If not, fine, good.
As for Catwoman, I predict she will be handled like Scarecrow. But, I'd like to see parallels between her and Bats, and one of them could easily be a full costume.

Oh I don't hate the looks, I just don't think they've been utilized to their fullest potential, besides Joker. I'm starting to like his look and well it's all there unlike Ra's and Scarecrow. I liked Crane's mask in Begins, but that's all he had besides the straitjacket at the end(which won't be returning for TDK), he's back to just a mask with a business suit and tie. It does not take away from the film itself at all, however if these things were there, it would just be that much better.

The scarred face, the coin, the split suit, are the three main things everyone thinks of when visualizing Two Face. Nolan can take away one of these aspects(probably will), and it won't hurt the character or the film in the slightest, but I don't agree with taking away one of the villain's coolest traits for the sake of gritty realism. Which strangely reminds me of the perma-white argument...but I won't pull that in here... whoop-dee-doo.

I'd probably be disappointed with whatever Catwoman look he'd go with too. Let me guess, a black normex suit with goggles, some pouches, and maybe a whip if we're lucky.

[Gianakin_]

I'd argue that the two-suit isn't as essential, or jumps immediately when people think of Two-Face, but... I won't.
I was disappointed that Crane's straightjacket won't be back for TDK, too. Creative differences with Nolan, probably.
As for Catwoman's suit. I can't answer ya!

[Mr. Socko]

Face's suit is no more essential, or just as essential as Joker wearing purple. It's not necessary, just something that's usually with the character and I think it makes 'em look better. But like you said, it's not essential. Like Scarecrow's costume being removed, it doesn't hinder anything, but it would be a plus if it were there.

In this respect I sometimes think of Nolan as the exact opposite of Burton.

[David Rice]

Any incarnation of Catwoman is just a disaster for this saga of the Batman story. I'm just so sick of the character..

I disagree and most of us are not suck of her.

[ALP]

I wouldn't mind seeing Catwoman again...but if she's not there, won't bother me either

[jmc]

Yeah, at one point they were going to do Batman Beyond and there was talk of Paul Newman as Bruce Wayne.

But despite everything, I'd be interested to see a "huge departure from the essence of the character" type of Catwoman. The comics' Catwoman never really did anything to me (apart from the Loeb Catwoman). So far, the best version of her, to me, is Burton's.

I'd like to see an equally departed (but also equally compelling) character from the comics and the romance between her and Bale's Batman. That alone would make the film for me.

I've written this in another part of SHH, this is a departure from the regular Catwoman, I tried to gave the character justification for doing what she does much like I imagine Nolan would do. It's more of an escape angle. It's also the angle I used for one of my artworks.

Selina, young lady with a very troubled upbringing, feels trapped inside the world of thievery and knows no way out, perhaps she screws up a heist for some major mob boss, owing him millions of dollars, as a result she must continue to work for him in order to pay off the debt. Perhaps she hates what her life has become, perhaps she hates herself, all she wants is a clean slate, yet doesn't know how to get it. She looks out for herself and trusts no-one. The only thing that gives her any sort of happiness are her cats, they give her warmth, comfort and make her feel safe. Perhaps that's the reason she wears the mask when she steals, she feel safe inside it yet she longs for the day where she doesn't need it to feel that way.

[boog_spin]

now that's a great choice for Batman : Year 100 .

i agree with you giannakin.i ve been wanting to see bale as batman ever since american psycho.he was great.but he was the least expected.i mean everybody was into that role from jackman to eastwood if they were to do an older version of bats.hell,even cillian murphy was cast as batman too!

clint eastwod would kick ass as the ultimate older bruce wayne...dude is as tough as nails...imagine a young eastwood as batman. i can't imagine anyone wanting to f*** with him....

[boog_spin]

Oh I don't hate the looks, I just don't think they've been utilized to their fullest potential, besides Joker. I'm starting to like his look and well it's all there unlike Ra's and Scarecrow. I liked Crane's mask in Begins, but that's all he had besides the straitjacket at the end(which won't be returning for TDK), he's back to just a mask with a business suit and tie. It does not take away from the film itself at all, however if these things were there, it would just be that much better.

The scarred face, the coin, the split suit, are the three main things everyone thinks of when visualizing Two Face. Nolan can take away one of these aspects(probably will), and it won't hurt the character or the film in the slightest, but I don't agree with taking away one of the villain's coolest traits for the sake of gritty realism. Which strangely reminds me of the perma-white argument...but I won't pull that in here... whoop-dee-doo.

I'd probably be disappointed with whatever Catwoman look he'd go with too. Let me guess, a black normex suit with goggles, some pouches, and maybe a whip if we're lucky.

i think the scarred face is a must have...but figuring how nolan works, i think the split personality is the key thing with this character, not a "double suit", although i do think the coin is very important (wow how particular and geeky do i sound? haha) ....IMHO parts of burtons joker sort of resembled what a nolan two-face could be....especially the scene where the joker killed "bob"...acts totally normal but then totally snaps...does that make sense?

i can see a two-face that seems completely in control, and then just blows up and gets pissed off...

anyways, thats my 2 cents!!!!!:yay:

for the most part two-face is under control (no matter how sick the "control" is) but he has a point where he just snaps and goes berserk

[boog_spin]

Oh I don't hate the looks, I just don't think they've been utilized to their fullest potential, besides Joker. I'm starting to like his look and well it's all there unlike Ra's and Scarecrow. I liked Crane's mask in Begins, but that's all he had besides the straitjacket at the end(which won't be returning for TDK), he's back to just a mask with a business suit and tie. It does not take away from the film itself at all, however if these things were there, it would just be that much better.

The scarred face, the coin, the split suit, are the three main things everyone thinks of when visualizing Two Face. Nolan can take away one of these aspects(probably will), and it won't hurt the character or the film in the slightest, but I don't agree with taking away one of the villain's coolest traits for the sake of gritty realism. Which strangely reminds me of the perma-white argument...but I won't pull that in here... whoop-dee-doo.

I'd probably be disappointed with whatever Catwoman look he'd go with too. Let me guess, a black normex suit with goggles, some pouches, and maybe a whip if we're lucky.

i think the scarred face is a must have...but figuring how nolan works, i think the split personality is the key thing with this character, not a "double suit", although i do think the coin is very important (wow how particular and geeky do i sound? haha) ....IMHO parts of burtons joker sort of resembled what a nolan two-face could be....especially the scene where the joker killed "bob"...acts totally normal but then totally snaps...does that make sense?

i can see a two-face that seems completely in control, and then just blows up and gets pissed off...

anyways, thats my 2 cents!!!!!:yay:

for the most part two-face is under control (no matter how sick the "control" is) but he has a point where he just snaps and goes berserk

[Mr. Socko]

Characterization and visualization are two different things. I was only talking about the latter...and I prefer both to be as best as possible for a film while some could care less about the latter.

I never said a "double suit" would be the key to character but I understand what you are saying. Though when he becomes Two Face, there is no going back, Harvey is all but lost.

[Majik1387]

This seems like a good place to post this.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/Artwork/krcatwoman.jpg

[boog_spin]

Characterization and visualization are two different things. I was only talking about the latter...and I prefer both to be as best as possible for a film while some could care less about the latter.

I never said a "double suit" would be the key to character but I understand what you are saying. Though when he becomes Two Face, there is no going back, Harvey is all but lost.

yeah what i mean is a total psycho "two" face kind of vibe...normal and then SNAPS.

i think we are on the same page:yay:

[jmc]

This seems like a good place to post this.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/Artwork/krcatwoman.jpg

Didn't you posted this here already?

[jmc]

^ Sorry, my bad, wrong Catwoman thread. :whatever:

[Majik1387]

It's cool, to make sure I wouldn't repost it in here I went back like 5 pages.:oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

This seems like a good place to post this.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/Artwork/krcatwoman.jpg

Great manip Majik, I like it! :)

A suit like this would be perfect, especially in a Begins sequel

oh and Did you ever finish your Burton one?

[jmc]

I posted this on another Catwoman thread, it's gotten mixed a response just as I expected and hoped!!! Controversial - hell yeah!! :woot:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/348/2/1/Catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg

[Majik1387]

I did. You can see it on my Art thread and on my Deviant page.(links in sig)
It's also in the Batman Begins Sequel Art and TDK fan art/manips threads.

[Majik1387]

I posted this on another Catwoman thread, it's gotten mixed a response just as I expected and hoped!!! Controversial - hell yeah!! :woot:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/348/2/1/Catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg

Shameless manip post copycat.:o:oldrazz::cwink:

[jmc]

That's Mr Copycat thank you.

:woot:

[Vs-F-J]

This seems like a good place to post this.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/Artwork/krcatwoman.jpg

Gorgeous manip, Mr Majik! It's practical and streamlined, yet still remains sexy and feminine. Love the stylish gloves and boots, and you've actually used a really nice pic of Keri's face :cwink:.

[TromaFreak64]

I posted this on another Catwoman thread, it's gotten mixed a response just as I expected and hoped!!! Controversial - hell yeah!! :woot:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/348/2/1/Catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg

It seems pretty appropriate to the Nolan-verse we've seen so far.

[Joker'sHenchman]

Mr. Socko- is that a pic of you in your avatar?

[Majik1387]

Gorgeous manip, Mr Majik! It's practical and streamlined, yet still remains sexy and feminine. Love the stylish gloves and boots, and you've actually used a really nice pic of Keri's face :cwink:.
Thanks.:yay:
I pretty much tried giving her the BTAS costume minus the gold belt. Plus added a mini backpack for her to store her treasures. I don't believe her character would have to change anyto ork in Nolan's films.

[David Rice]

I posted this on another Catwoman thread, it's gotten mixed a response just as I expected and hoped!!! Controversial - hell yeah!! :woot:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/348/2/1/Catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg

Looks great! Three things... what's that little red area below her chin? Don't think her eyes are not on the same level, or something. Maybe make the boots higher on her legs.

Other than that, this would look great on film!

[Mr. Socko]

I posted this on another Catwoman thread, it's gotten mixed a response just as I expected and hoped!!! Controversial - hell yeah!! :woot:


http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/348/2/1/Catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg

It's a fantastic manip, very well done. But I dislike the style, that's just not "Catwoman" to me. That suit isn't sleek or sexy, it's bulky and only practical. Btw, I put it in spoilers as I didn't want it to unnecessarily make the page longer.

It seems pretty appropriate to the Nolan-verse we've seen so far.
That's what scares me. Just not my style.

Mr. Socko- is that a pic of you in your avatar?

It might be:oldrazz:

[jmc]

It's a fantastic manip, very well done. But I dislike the style, that's just not "Catwoman" to me. That suit isn't sleek or sexy, it's bulky and only practical. Btw, I put it in spoilers as I didn't want it to unnecessarily make the page longer.

The practicality of it is kinda the point, it's functional, something I'd imagine Nolan doing. Plus, if you were to remove the tools, it's still very sleek, she wouldn't wear them all the time.

[Vs-F-J]

Mr. Socko- is that a pic of you in your avatar?

Yes just exactly who is that cheeky-looking emo in your avatar? :cwink: :grin:

[Mr. Socko]

I've used four different avvys of myself and each time I still get many "who is that" comments :oldrazz:

I just randomly grab pictures of white boys with purple hair who all look the same and put them in my avvy for no apparent reason. This is what I really look like

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Chicago_Hobo.jpg/800px-Chicago_Hobo.jpg

[Majik1387]

I noticed that, and I feel like asking how many people with the same shade of purple hair can there be for them to keep asking.

[elgato]

Finally! This thread woke up once more! :woot:
MAYBE HERE SOMEONE PUTS THE HELL ATTENTION TO THIS I FOUND AT THEHAHAHATIMES.COM!! :cmad:


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/gatochico/hahacopia.jpg

[Vs-F-J]

Socko and Majik, tut tut on the caustic attitude :nono:. How are they supposed to know if they may have never seen any of your previous avatars? Anyway, you could just be taking pictures of your colourful-looking brother and passing them off as yourself for all we know :lmao:.

Elgato, for the love of GOD will you just explain the significance of this clipping you keep peddling!!!

[elgato]

Socko and Majik, tut tut on the causticity :nono:. How are they supposed to know if they may have never seen any of your previous avatars? Anyway, you could just be taking pictures of your colourful-looking brother and passing them off as yourself for all we know :lmao:.

Elgato, for the love of GOD will you just explain the significance of this clipping you keep peddling!!!

The haha times it's a the gotham times paper altered by the Joker. The original story tells about a splitted family, the title says "FAMILY TORN APART BY FEAR" and the Jokerized version says "FAMILY TORN APART BY WHIT TIGER" and at one time it shows the pic I posted! HAPPY?! You could have asked the other two times I posted it :cmad:

:yay:

[Vs-F-J]

The haha times it's a the gotham times paper altered by the Joker. The original story tells about a splitted family, the title says "FAMILY TORN APART BY FEAR" and the Jokerized version says "FAMILY TORN APART BY WHIT TIGER" and at one time it shows the pic I posted! HAPPY?! You could have asked the other two times I posted it :cmad:

:yay:

:angry: I shouldn't have had to ask, you should have just told us! :oldrazz: Anyway, I was asking you to explain why this is important, i.e. who wrote it! Was it Nolan? Otherwise, isn't it just a piece of fan work?

[elgato]

:angry: I shouldn't have had to ask, you should have just told us! :oldrazz: Anyway, I was asking you to explain why this is important, i.e. who wrote it! Was it Nolan? Otherwise, isn't it just a piece of fan work?

No, those are completely original. visit the hahahatimes.com, it's an official viral site, you shoul take a look at the VIRAL MARKETING forums:whatever:

:oldrazz:

[Judson Caspian]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.

[BatmanFanatic]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but as bulky as above.

I hope you meant not as bulky.

And since when has Catwoman been an assassin? *shakes head* She has a no-kill rule just like Bats!

[Judson Caspian]

I hope you meant not as bulky.

And since when has Catwoman been an assassin? *shakes head* She has a no-kill rule just like Bats!
Edited.

She has? Never really thought of that.

[BatmanFanatic]

Edited.

She has? Never really thought of that.

Yah, she's not a real "villain" in the Bat-verse, because all she does that is bad is steal from rich people. Half the stories are about her teaming up with Batman or having a fling with him.

One very out of character thing in BR is that she was after revenge and "gallons of blood" from someone. That's never been her comic book motivation.

She's a lover, not a fighter!

[Judson Caspian]

Then at least she could be moving swift and agile like an assassin.

[Crook]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.
I could see trying to adjust the likes of Freeze and Ivy for Nolan's franchise....but Catwoman? I mean, really? She's as real as anyone from the mythos could get.


http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.
And that has absolutely no resemblance with the character..

[Paste Pot Pete]

Selina has killed.

She killed her sister's pimp years back, and recently shot Black Mask in the head.

[Mr. Socko]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.

Dear God, you make me want to cry. :(:csad:

[BatmanFanatic]

Selina has killed.

She killed her sister's pimp years back, and recently shot Black Mask in the head.

You could say that Batman is a sadistic psychopath who loves to brutalize the innocent if you count Millers All-Star B&R series. But that's obviously not the spirit of the Batman we all know and love.

Not everything she's 'done' somewhere in a comic book is true to her character either. The whole prostitute/dominatrix/sisters pimp is Millers idea, who wants dominatrixes everywhere.

[jmc]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.


Even I wouldn't take a Catwoman design that far. Looks more like what a Nolan-ized Mr Freeze would wear.

[Paste Pot Pete]

You could say that Batman is a sadistic psychopath who loves to brutalize the innocent if you count Millers All-Star B&R series. But that's obviously not the spirit of the Batman we all know and love.

Not everything she's 'done' somewhere in a comic book is true to her character either. The whole prostitute/dominatrix/sisters pimp is Millers idea, who wants dominatrixes everywhere.

Well, All-Star isn't canon.

I'm not advocating a killer Selina, ala BR. I'm just saying, it's happened before. And it doesn't have to go against the character; blowing away Black Mask was a big character moment and it felt true.

[metal666]

IMO Catwoman is more about avoiding fighting so she wouldn't really need all the armor. I think they could show her pre-black leather. Or something like that. I want to see what she wore before she was the polished profeshional thief with the ears.

[escobar2248]

Well, All-Star isn't canon.

I'm not advocating a killer Selina, ala BR. I'm just saying, it's happened before. And it doesn't have to go against the character; blowing away Black Mask was a big character moment and it felt true.

I agree, when she took out Black Mask it was a powerful moment. Same kinda feeling when Batman wanted to kill Joker after seeing Elliott get killed. Then Gordon stepped in and stopped him.

Catwoman/Selina's adaptation into Nolan's world would be interesting to see. I would like to see a romantic flirtation between her and Bruce/Bats of course.

I really like Lee's depiction of her, something in that neck of the woods I would be happy with, but with Nolan's twist of course.

[escobar2248]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.

That's too militant for me, it needs to be considerably more feminine. You are on the right path though. I do like the night vision. On Lee's version, she wears a set of goggles on her costume, those could be adapted for the film to have nightvision, thermal, etc.

[Majik1387]

I can think of how Catwoman could work in Nolan's atmosphere. A swift and agile assassin, kinda like Luger from Killzone. "Catwoman" is a code name, or something similar. Maybe I'm just too far on this.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2825/lugerbig1jh9.png

But with half her face visible. Armour could be an idea, but not as bulky as above.
Sorry, but this is a really bad idea.
I hope you meant not as bulky.
And since when has Catwoman been an assassin? *shakes head* She has a no-kill rule just like Bats!
Edited.
She has? Never really thought of that.
Not in canon comics.
Yah, she's not a real "villain" in the Bat-verse, because all she does that is bad is steal from rich people. Half the stories are about her teaming up with Batman or having a fling with him.

One very out of character thing in BR is that she was after revenge and "gallons of blood" from someone. That's never been her comic book motivation.

She's a lover, not a fighter!
I didn't mind her wanting revenge against the guy who almost killed her. I mean, he was the only one that would drive her to kill and she got her revenge, but I didn't feel that it took away from her character.
Then at least she could be moving swift and agile like an assassin.
I can agree wit this
Selina has killed.
She killed her sister's pimp years back, and recently shot Black Mask in the head.
You could say that Batman is a sadistic psychopath who loves to brutalize the innocent if you count Millers All-Star B&R series. But that's obviously not the spirit of the Batman we all know and love.
Not everything she's 'done' somewhere in a comic book is true to her character either. The whole prostitute/dominatrix/sisters pimp is Millers idea, who wants dominatrixes everywhere.
Please don't bring any of Miller's bull**** to the character. Thank you.
Even I wouldn't take a Catwoman design that far. Looks more like what a Nolan-ized Mr Freeze would wear.
It actually looks close to a design I made for Mr. Freeze.:wow:
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/JAQUIA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg

[Paste Pot Pete]

My take on Selina is that if you give her too much moral highground, you're watering down the character. And this is something that writers have been trying to do for a long time, really shoehorning her into that Batfamily. But she's much more than that, she's much more ambiguous.

The beauty of her relationship with Batman has always or should always be that they are sort of two sides of the same coin. Someone described it once like this: Batman lives on the edge between good and bad, and so does Catwoman, but Batman will always remain just slightly on the light side whereas Catwoman will always remain just slightly on the dark side, always flirting with the other side but never crossing over. And because of this, they can never be together, even though they are almost perfect for each other.

[jmc]

^ Their relationship is one that reads more like a tragic love story, two people who should be together but forever destined to be apart.

I agree that the character is neither good nor bad, but is ambiguous.

[Judson Caspian]

Selina has killed.

She killed her sister's pimp years back, and recently shot Black Mask in the head.
Ah, well then. Assassin it is. :oldrazz:
And that has absolutely no resemblance with the character..
And you haven't read what I wrote.

[Crook]

I read exactly what you wrote. Unless your point of that picture was to show the complete opposite of what you think Catwoman would even barely resemble, then my statement still stands.

[Judson Caspian]

Unless you didn't read this part:

but not as bulky as above.

... my discussion with you is quite over.

[Crook]

And how does that make my comment invalid? You could slim that ish down all you want, it still looks nothing like the Catwoman suit.

What exactly was your point there?

[Majik1387]

It's still not good for Catwoman however you put it.

[Judson Caspian]

And how does that make my comment invalid? You could slim that ish down all you want, it still looks nothing like the Catwoman suit.
That's a matter of opinion. I don't agree with a narrow one like yours.

[Crook]

You concede that this is a matter of opinion, and then in the next sentence you denounce mines as being narrow?

I don't think I'm the one having trouble with differing opinions. Instead of running away from the argument, why don't you add something to it?

I bet you can't even find 5 people here that would agree the pic looks anything like Catwoman, so I'd hardly say my opinion is not shared by others.

[Vs-F-J]

My take on Selina is that if you give her too much moral highground, you're watering down the character. And this is something that writers have been trying to do for a long time, really shoehorning her into that Batfamily. But she's much more than that, she's much more ambiguous.

The beauty of her relationship with Batman has always or should always be that they are sort of two sides of the same coin. Someone described it once like this: Batman lives on the edge between good and bad, and so does Catwoman, but Batman will always remain just slightly on the light side whereas Catwoman will always remain just slightly on the dark side, always flirting with the other side but never crossing over. And because of this, they can never be together, even though they are almost perfect for each other.

^Very profound :up:

I don't like how Catwoman seems to get sentimentalised by fans who want to emphasise her "goodness" deep down. That's what they did with Berry's Catwoman and it was nauseating! To me, Catwoman's always been a badass ****** who loves trouble and looks out for herself first and foremost. She's not Elle Driver evil, but she's a bad girl who always keeps one foot on the dark side. Whenever Batman thinks he's getting through to her and converting her to the path of light, she leads him on, lulls him into a false sense of security - and then kicks him in the nuts lol!

She's not more of a lover than a fighter (that reeks of Uma Ivy!); Catwoman doesn't go looking for fights, but if one comes her way then she relishes the chance to sharpen her claws and play with her opponent! She's a swift and agile martial artist who especially enjoys taking on thuggish men and humiliating them. Even Batman isn't quite prepared to take her on physically.

She's not a killer, and she could never cross the line into absolute evil, but I don't want to see her saving little boys from collapsing ferris wheels or rescuing old ladies from burning buildings either! She's an anti-heroine leaning against villainess.

[jimmy]

Selina Kyle is nasty.

[jmc]

^Very profound :up:

I don't like how Catwoman seems to get sentimentalised by fans who want to emphasise her "goodness" deep down. That's what they did with Berry's Catwoman and it was nauseating! To me, Catwoman's always been a badass ****** who loves trouble and looks out for herself first and foremost. She's not Elle Driver evil, but she's a bad girl who always keeps one foot on the dark side. Whenever Batman thinks he's getting through to her and converting her to the path of light, she leads him on, lulls him into a false sense of security - and then kicks him in the nuts lol!

She's not more of a lover than a fighter (that reeks of Uma Ivy!); Catwoman doesn't go looking for fights, but if one comes her way then she relishes the chance to sharpen her claws and play with her opponent! She's a swift and agile martial artist who especially enjoys taking on thuggish men and humiliating them. Even Batman isn't quite prepared to take her on physically.

She's not a killer, and she could never cross the line into absolute evil, but I don't want to see her saving little boys from collapsing ferris wheels or rescuing old ladies from burning buildings either! She's an anti-heroine leaning against villainess.

It all depends on how you look at the character, some see her as you describe, others not, but one thing's for sure, she is an anti-hero(heroine), in fact one of the few female characters in any media to have that tag.

[Judson Caspian]

You concede that this is a matter of opinion, and then in the next sentence you denounce mines as being narrow?

I don't think I'm the one having trouble with differing opinions. Instead of running away from the argument, why don't you add something to it?

I bet you can't even find 5 people here that would agree the pic looks anything like Catwoman, so I'd hardly say my opinion is not shared by others.
Even though it's obvious you're slow: If it had armour, perhaps similar to that of what Batman is wearing, it could work. Otherwise I suppose you think that not even his suit is "Batman" enough for you. However, when it comes to Catwoman, you make it sound as if I'm referring to an exact replica of the image I posted. Even though you have read everything I wrote in that post.

Exactly what part of what I wrote in that post did you not understand?

Btw, I'm not running away from any argument. If that's how you feel only after a couple of minutes since my last post, you're probably paranoid.

[BatmanFanatic]

^Very profound :up:

I don't like how Catwoman seems to get sentimentalised by fans who want to emphasise her "goodness" deep down. That's what they did with Berry's Catwoman and it was nauseating! To me, Catwoman's always been a badass ****** who loves trouble and looks out for herself first and foremost. She's not Elle Driver evil, but she's a bad girl who always keeps one foot on the dark side. Whenever Batman thinks he's getting through to her and converting her to the path of light, she leads him on, lulls him into a false sense of security - and then kicks him in the nuts lol!

She's not more of a lover than a fighter (that reeks of Uma Ivy!); Catwoman doesn't go looking for fights, but if one comes her way then she relishes the chance to sharpen her claws and play with her opponent! She's a swift and agile martial artist who especially enjoys taking on thuggish men and humiliating them. Even Batman isn't quite prepared to take her on physically.

She's not a killer, and she could never cross the line into absolute evil, but I don't want to see her saving little boys from collapsing ferris wheels or rescuing old ladies from burning buildings either! She's an anti-heroine leaning against villainess.

I don't see anyone suggesting she needs to be saving little old ladies all the time, but she often did save people if she could in her own comic book. She is good "deep down inside" , she doesn't cause pain and suffering for fun, and she is more about stealth than confrontation. Her "flaw" is that she's very good at being a theif, and she really loves stealing all those pretty jewels. She does like the thrill of danger and the high from robbing from the rich and getting away with it, but that doesn't make her evil... it's like her personal vice. And fight wise, sure she can take out a few security guards if she has to, but she prefers to be sneaky. And yes she can hold her own against Batman for a few minutes, but only long enough to escape into the night, and that usually requires her to use a little feminine charm or brawling tactics. I don't think she can compete with Bats in a straight, sporting fight, that's kind of a crazy idea. A slender gymnast vs a 220 pound martial arts expert? She's quick and crafty and good, but not that good.

Not every single character in a comic book has to be the "biggest, bad-@$$ fighter" in order for them to be interesting. If that were the case how would anyone win against anyone else in these stories. Selina Kyle has always won through escape... not by murder or savagery.

That's my opinion!

[BatmanFanatic]

Please don't bring any of Miller's bull**** to the character. Thank you.


I'm the last person to go with Millers take on anything, especially beloved Selina Kyle. Just wanted to throw that out there, Majik.

[Crook]

Even though it's obvious you're slow: If it had armour, perhaps similar to that of what Batman is wearing, it could work. Otherwise I suppose you think that not even his suit is "Batman" enough for you.
Please tell me where the hell do you see any similarities between that suit, and the images of Batman and Catwoman. Asides from the color black. Please.

Because you're pretty much the only guy seeing this.


However, when it comes to Catwoman, you make it sound as if I'm referring to an exact replica of the image I posted. Even though you have read everything I wrote in that post.
Please cite where in any of my posts I indicated this:

And how does that make my comment invalid? You could slim that ish down all you want, it still looks nothing like the Catwoman suit.

What exactly was your point there?


I bet you can't even find 5 people here that would agree the pic looks anything like Catwoman, so I'd hardly say my opinion is not shared by others.
I bolded and underlined it for you just in case. Notice how the words I chose didn't indicate I wanted a direct adaptation of the comic book suit. My issue was it looked nothing like Catwoman. Not that it wasn't a complete replica. I even made a point in my very first post to say there was no resemblance.

Btw, I'm not running away from any argument. If that's how you feel only after a couple of minutes since my last post, you're probably paranoid.
Unless you didn't read this part:

... my discussion with you is quite over.
Doesn't sound like you wanted to go any further. But then again, here you are.

[Vs-F-J]

It all depends on how you look at the character, some see her as you describe, others not, but one thing's for sure, she is an anti-hero(heroine), in fact one of the few female characters in any media to have that tag.

That's not exactly true, as there are hundreds of female characters with the "anti-hero" tag nowadays. From The Bride (Kill Bill), Elektra, Nina Williams and Atia of the Julii, to Scarlett O'Hara, Rebecca Sharp and Catherine Earnshaw. The list goes on :cwink:.

But as you say, I can definitely see a distinct divide between the way people see the character of Catwoman, and it will be interesting to see which way Nolan chooses to go (if he does, of course!)

[jmc]

^ I don't want to get into a anti-heroine debate but there aren't exactly hundreds, not true anti-heroines anyway, but the Cat certainly is one of them. :yay:

[BatmanFanatic]

I guess it also depends how you define "anti-hero." I mean, are you talking full on killer who is the main character of a story? Or a criminal with morals who leads the story? Or just a thrill seeking person who ocassionaly bends the rules? What counts exactly.

[Crook]

Well it's a pretty general term. All of those fit into the anti-hero category.

[Gianakin_]

Selina, young lady with a very troubled upbringing, feels trapped inside the world of thievery and knows no way out, perhaps she screws up a heist for some major mob boss, owing him millions of dollars, as a result she must continue to work for him in order to pay off the debt. Perhaps she hates what her life has become, perhaps she hates herself, all she wants is a clean slate, yet doesn't know how to get it. She looks out for herself and trusts no-one. The only thing that gives her any sort of happiness are her cats, they give her warmth, comfort and make her feel safe. Perhaps that's the reason she wears the mask when she steals, she feel safe inside it yet she longs for the day where she doesn't need it to feel that way.

It's a departure, but I find it more interesting than most of the comic books' incarnations, too. Good job.

[Gianakin_]

This is what I really look like

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Chicago_Hobo.jpg/800px-Chicago_Hobo.jpg

Nice coat.

[BatmanFanatic]

Nice coat.

Careful now... they're gonna come looking for him.

Everyone.

*grin*

[Gianakin_]

Lol!

[jmc]

It's a departure, but I find it more interesting than most of the comic books' incarnations, too. Good job.

Thanks, it's the only reason I could think of to justify why she would wear a cat mask.

[Ledlunar]

I always liked how she was portrayed In Jeph Loebs work aswell as the two catwoman episodes of season 4 of B:TAS

-In Cult of the cat... She seems to be addicted to stealing and even uuses this line to get Batmans sympathy before knocking him out and escaping to go steal more.

-and in Scratch my Back She plays Night Wing like a fiddle though he doops her in the end they makes her pretty wicked in those 2 episodes compared to her early boring episodes I rarely watch like : Cat scratch fever <blah

[Ledlunar]

I take it Mr Socko uses a public Library computer and refills the same ratty old Mcdonalds cup...

and yea Nice Coat

[BatmanFanatic]

I always liked how she was portrayed In Jeph Loebs work aswell as the two catwoman episodes of season 4 of B:TAS

-In Cult of the cat... She seems to be addicted to stealing and even uuses this line to get Batmans sympathy before knocking him out and escaping to go steal more.

-and in Scratch my Back She plays Night Wing like a fiddle though he doops her in the end they makes her pretty wicked in those 2 episodes compared to her early boring episodes I rarely watch like : Cat scratch fever <blah

I like the "Almost Got 'Em" episode, I thought it was an incredibly clever idea, having all the villains sitting around talking about how they almost got Batman, and in the end Batman was actually dressed up as one of them, trying to figure out the location of where Joker hid Selina Kyle.

[Ledlunar]

yea I almost forgot Catwoman was actually a main part of the plot in that one,,, Its pretty much the best episdoe on season 2,,,

I Threw a rock at him! - Batman really holds Croc in low regard to make him act so mental got himself a Bat Laugh too I bet.

[BatmanFanatic]

yea I almost forgot Catwoman was actually a main part of the plot in that one,,, Its pretty much the best episdoe on season 2,,,

I Threw a rock at him! - Batman really holds Croc in low regard to make him act so mental got himself a Bat Laugh too I bet.

Yah, that part was freakn' awesome =) I threw a rock at 'em!!!

I like it when Bruce plays dress up. Uses his brain as well as his muscles ;)

[Ledlunar]

except when he loses his memory... I always hated the fat guy who ate drum sticks while homeless people were slaving... then again at least he got them working...

[BatmanFanatic]

except when he loses his memory... I always hated the fat guy who ate drum sticks while homeless people were slaving... then again at least he got them working...


Whaaaa ?

[Ledlunar]

you know where bruce goes undercover as a homeless guy and ends up losing his memory.... he's got ridiculous white hair? Its season 1 I cant remmeber the title right now,,, not Underdwellers thats with the kids .... I think its "forgotten" or something like that.. THE bad guy eats chicken legs the whole time

[BatmanFanatic]

you know where bruce goes undercover as a homeless guy and ends up losing his memory.... he's got ridiculous white hair? Its season 1 I cant remmeber the title right now,,, not Underdwellers thats with the kids .... I think its forgotten or something like that.. THE bad guy eats chicken legs the whole time


Oooooh. yah okay, I remember that episode. Not sure what you were talking about for a second.

You know I think I remember liking that episode a lot. Because he had to start from scratch and rediscover his identity... his morals, etc. Got hit in the head didn't he? Had amnesia I think...then someone was like "hey, you look strong, why don't you beat up so and so for me.." something like that.

[Gianakin_]

you know where bruce goes undercover as a homeless guy and ends up losing his memory.... he's got ridiculous white hair? Its season 1 I cant remmeber the title right now,,, not Underdwellers thats with the kids .... I think its "forgotten" or something like that.. THE bad guy eats chicken legs the whole time

Yes, it's called The Forgotten.

[BatmanFanatic]

Yes, it's called The Forgotten.

BTAS was so deep. Seriously. They don't even write feature films with such brilliant themes and concepts.

They should hire those guys instead of freakn' Goyer. With his FEAR! and It's what you DO THAT DEFINES YOU! and all that crap.

[Ledlunar]

I like the Its Never Two Late with Rupert Thorn having a mob war with the old Mob guy and he is scared of trains cause when he was little his friend lost a leg,,, then his friend becomes priest and kind of helps him redeem himself... Scarecrows got some good ones too but he looks so stupid up til season 4 where he looks nuts,,, I cant even remember Forgotten too well,,, but Yea he does rediscover himself,,, I haven't slept in like 23 hours maybe Ill fall asleep watching it .... NOW...

P.S... I always hated Rupert Thorn than there was this Fat Kid in High School Who thought he was a don cause he sold drugs, and he had man boobies but acted like he had pec's or some **** so me and my friend referred to him as Rupert Thorn.. it only made me hate Thorn and that kid more

[BatmanFanatic]

I like the Its Never Two Late with Rupert Thorn having a mob war with the old Mob guy and he is scared of trains cause when he was little his friend lost a leg,,, then his friend becomes priest and kind of helps him redeem himself... Scarecrows got some good ones too but he looks so stupid up til season 4 where he looks nuts,,, I cant even remember Forgotten too well,,, but Yea he does rediscover himself,,, I haven't slept in like 23 hours maybe Ill fall asleep watching it .... NOW...

P.S... I always hated Rupert Thorn than there was this Fat Kid in High School Who thought he was a don cause he sold drugs, and he had man boobies but acted like he had pec's or some **** so me and my friend referred to him as Rupert Thorn.. it only made me hate Thorn and that kid more

Wow, I can tell you've been up for 23 hours ;)

[Vs-F-J]

Well it's a pretty general term. All of those fit into the anti-hero category.

Exactly, and there are plenty of "true" anti-heroines out there.

I don't see anyone suggesting she needs to be saving little old ladies all the time, but she often did save people if she could in her own comic book. She is good "deep down inside" , she doesn't cause pain and suffering for fun, and she is more about stealth than confrontation. Her "flaw" is that she's very good at being a theif, and she really loves stealing all those pretty jewels. She does like the thrill of danger and the high from robbing from the rich and getting away with it, but that doesn't make her evil... it's like her personal vice. And fight wise, sure she can take out a few security guards if she has to, but she prefers to be sneaky. And yes she can hold her own against Batman for a few minutes, but only long enough to escape into the night, and that usually requires her to use a little feminine charm or brawling tactics. I don't think she can compete with Bats in a straight, sporting fight, that's kind of a crazy idea. A slender gymnast vs a 220 pound martial arts expert? She's quick and crafty and good, but not that good.

Not every single character in a comic book has to be the "biggest, bad-@$$ fighter" in order for them to be interesting. If that were the case how would anyone win against anyone else in these stories. Selina Kyle has always won through escape... not by murder or savagery.

That's my opinion!

You actually haven't said anything that differs from my opinion, but you have spelled out the stuff I just didn't bother to say lol! Of course her fighting advantage is through craftiness and escape, I did say "swift and agile" skills, I never suggested she was the biggest, toughest fighter in the world who could beat up anybody - just that Batman is never quite fully prepared to take her on and that she enjoys taking on arrogant thugs and wiping the floor with them. And didn't I say something about suprise-attacking people with kicks to the nuts? Now that's craftly!

[Ledlunar]

Wow, I can tell you've been up for 23 hours ;)

Night all..... :brucebat:

time for "The Forgotten"

[Gianakin_]

BTAS was so deep. Seriously. They don't even write feature films with such brilliant themes and concepts.

They should hire those guys instead of freakn' Goyer. With his FEAR! and It's what you DO THAT DEFINES YOU! and all that crap.

I seriously don't get some people's biff with the repeated use of "Fear", but anyway.
TAS was deep, yes, but somehow, when Timm tries to do a movie, they somehow fail to reach their full potential. Mask of the Phantasm excluded, of course. So, I can't really say that I'd be excited to see a Batfilm from him. Dini? Well, maybe yes.

[BatmanFanatic]

Exactly, and there are plenty of "true" anti-heroines out there.



You actually haven't said anything that differs from my opinion, but you have spelled out the stuff I just didn't bother to say lol! Of course her fighting advantage is through craftiness and escape, I did say "swift and agile" skills, I never suggested she was the biggest, toughest fighter in the world who could beat up anybody - just that Batman is never quite fully prepared to take her on and that she enjoys taking on arrogant thugs and wiping the floor with them. And didn't I say something about suprise-attacking people with kicks to the nuts? Now that's craftly!

That's cool. I was sort of speaking in general about the big bad-a$$ fighting thing... because it seems like people get obsessed with comic book characters physical skills.

Like for instance I saw on this forum something in a thread about what kind of "fighting style" Joker should have. Fighting style? He runs like a little girl from Batman, or uses a gun if he can help it. I think even the versions of him where he's skilled enough to use a knife are pushing it in the "fighting skills" department.

But this is a big action movie, so some people think that something like hand to hand combat between Joker and Batman would be awesome. I think it would be out of character. I mean, sure Batman can beat the crap out of him for info, or Joker can be running away in a truck firing a bazooka at the batmobile, but actual hand to hand combat? No way!

So, same thing with Selina Kyle. Who I think is way, way better at martial arts than the average cop or security guard, and obviously infinitely better than the Joker, who has 0 skills, but she couldn't have a hand to hand fight with Batman for more than a minute or so for me to think it's believable. In her profession it's not the number one skill she needs to spend time improving.

As for the kick to the nuts, I'm not a fan of that. (Huge part of a thread back from when Rachel did it in the trailer, I talked about why I didnt like it.) But I guess some people think thats crafty. It's just so overdone. Not original. Hell, I'd rather she tried to claw Batmans eyes than go for the groin cheap shot. But thats just me.

Toodles!

[Vs-F-J]

You're right, she doesn't have to become a full-blown Trinity, Matrix-style. But I do think that martial arts skills is more a part of the character than with certain other villains. BTAS Catwoman always used a bit of powerful karate to get herself out of a tight situation, BR Catwoman was a kick boxer, even Julie Newmar had her own brand of Cat-ratee lol!

Sorry you abhor the groin attack so much, but as a woman I'm sure she knows a man's weak-spot is the most efficient target to help her get out of being cornered. And like you pointed out, she's not an honourable martial artist who would consider such a tactic as beneath her :cwink:. But of course there are also other sneaky tactics (she could put her heel through his foot? :funny:)

[The Guard]

I get the feeling that if Nolan was going to use Catwoman, he would have done so from the start and built her into the character we all know. I hope we see her in the third film, but I'm not holding my breath at this point.

[itsthebatman]

All it needs is a wee mention of Selina Kyle towards the end of TDK, and we're all set. Especially if Rachel goes the way of all flesh in this one.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Like for instance I saw on this forum something in a thread about what kind of "fighting style" Joker should have. Fighting style? He runs like a little girl from Batman, or uses a gun if he can help it. I think even the versions of him where he's skilled enough to use a knife are pushing it in the "fighting skills" department.

But this is a big action movie, so some people think that something like hand to hand combat between Joker and Batman would be awesome. I think it would be out of character. I mean, sure Batman can beat the crap out of him for info, or Joker can be running away in a truck firing a bazooka at the batmobile, but actual hand to hand combat? No way!


Joker was a skilled fighter in his original incarnation. He owned Batman's ass in their first fight in Batman #1, knocking him straight off a bridge with a kick to the face. Batman even says afterwards, "It seems I've at last met a foe that can give me a good fight!"

I think the reason why they slowly turned Joker into a pansy (even though he still gets licks in every now and then, especially in BTAS) is because they've amped up Batman so much in the opposite direction. In the beginning, Batman was just a very good fighter, so it was believable that a guy like Joker could come along and hold his own. But then they turned Batman into literally the greatest fighter in the world, and that narrowed his list of physical opponents dramatically.

But I think there's a good chance we'll see a fight between the two, if only because Nolan is so enamored with Batman #1. And I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility with this Batman, who is clearly a great fighter but not the greatest. I think a quick, unpredictable Joker can put up a decent fight against him.

[ALP]

As you said, when Batman#1 was written, Batman was not known as a martial arts masters and one of the world's greatest fighters.

In Begins he has been established as a very skilled fighter, he trained under Ra's Al Ghul, defeated many of Al Ghul's own ninjas, and even stood his own against Ra's himself....

For Joker to be able to fight Batman in TDK one on one, he must be a pretty damn good fighter himself. I'd say the best way to go about it is making Joker a dirty player during their fights.

[Juha]

I seriously don't get some people's biff with the repeated use of "Fear", but anyway.

Same here.

Fear created Batman. His most important weapon is intimidation. The entire character is all about fear so I think it's only reasonable that it was such a major theme in the first movie which, after all, was an origin story. Fear, as a theme, is always present when dealing with a character like Batman.

[Gianakin_]

No, the biff is with the continuous use of the word.
Which, to me is no problem, script-wise or whatever.

[Juha]

No, the biff is with the continuous use of the word.

Yeah I got that. And I still can't see what the problem is. But then again, I enjoy lines like "why do we fall?" and "it's not who I am underneath..." :yay:

[Gianakin_]

Me too.

[BatmanFanatic]

Yeah I got that. And I still can't see what the problem is. But then again, I enjoy lines like "why do we fall?" and "it's not who I am underneath..." :yay:


Oh no! Not the "Why do we fall!" Noooooo!!! *runs* Lol =)

[Juha]

Oh no! Not the "Why do we fall!" Noooooo!!! *runs* Lol =)

Now let me get this right. You are bashing my bad taste when it comes to corny lines?

I don't care how cute you are, I'm so gonna ninja kick your booty! :woot:

[BatmanFanatic]

Now let me get this right. You are bashing my bad taste when it comes to corny lines?

I don't care how cute you are, I'm so gonna ninja kick your booty! :woot:

Good luck - muahahhaa!

[Juha]

Good luck - muahahhaa!


A little fight in you! I like that!

[BatmanFanatic]

A little fight in you! I like that!

Like?

You're gonna LOVE me. :woot:

[Juha]

You nailed it! I'm gonna spare your life for now. :cwink:

[BatmanFanatic]

You nailed it! I'm gonna spare your life for now. :cwink:

*takes a bow*

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/blogs/fillips/images/Cynthia%20Rothrock1.bmp

Okay. Back to economics homework.

[Laderlappen]

Selina
http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/A/8/P/waitresspic3.jpg
serving you some breakfast.


Keri Russell for Selina Kyle / Catwoman

[MiniBond]

that's too bad...I wanted grapefruit juice !:o :o :funny:

[David Rice]

that's too bad...I wanted grapefruit juice !:o :o :funny:
Exactly! I'll never get what people see in her. :sleepy:

[Crook]

My initial problem with her is the "look". She definitely has the acting skills, but I wasn't sure if she could nail the sultry/classy allure Selina is known for.

That changed after I saw this photoshoot though:

http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_07.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_05.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_06.jpg

That last pic especially reminds me of a younger, but different Pfeiffer. If the production can make Keri look like that, I'd be a happy man.

[BatmanFanatic]

My initial problem with her is the "look". She definitely has the acting skills, but I wasn't sure if she could nail the sultry/classy allure Selina is known for.

That changed after I saw this photoshoot though:

http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_07.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_05.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_06.jpg



That last pic especially reminds me of a younger, but different Pfeiffer. If the production can make Keri look like that, I'd be a happy man.

Good lord its amazing what they can do in a photoshoot. It doesn't even look like the same woman!

[Crook]

Oh it's definitely her, I can recognize the face and everything. The make-up just accentuates her features though, and it's stunning.

That look can easily be replicated for film. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

My initial problem with her is the "look". She definitely has the acting skills, but I wasn't sure if she could nail the sultry/classy allure Selina is known for.

That changed after I saw this photoshoot though:

http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_07.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_05.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_06.jpg

That last pic especially reminds me of a younger, but different Pfeiffer. If the production can make Keri look like that, I'd be a happy man.


:heart:Keri would be perfect.

[jmc]

Keri seems to be the one name that seems to cause the least amount of controversy when discussing potential actress portraying the Cat.

[BatmanFanatic]

Keri seems to be the one name that seems to cause the least amount of controversy when discussing potential actress portraying the Cat.

Yah, I have to agree there. We're not trying to rip each others heads off when we consider her =P

[Majik1387]

My initial problem with her is the "look". She definitely has the acting skills, but I wasn't sure if she could nail the sultry/classy allure Selina is known for.

That changed after I saw this photoshoot though:

http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_07.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_05.jpg
http://kerirussell.fanhost.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/Interview/interviewmag_06.jpg

That last pic especially reminds me of a younger, but different Pfeiffer. If the production can make Keri look like that, I'd be a happy man.
That last one is the one I used in my Catwoman manip.:cwink:

[regwec]

Catwoman doesn't need any revision to work in a film. The point of the Batman villains is how they react with and stimulate different parts of Batman's nature. Part of Catwoman's raison d'etre is obviously sexual, but there is also the fact that she dons a costume and becomes a "creature of the night" but through avirice and for fun (in the version of the character I prefer and would recommend for screen). There's a neat contrast with Batman there.

[BatmanFanatic]

Catwoman doesn't need any revision to work in a film. The point of the Batman villains is how they react with and stimulate different parts of Batman's nature. Part of Catwoman's raison d'etre is obviously sexual, but there is also the fact that she dons a costume and becomes a "creature of the night" but through avirice and for fun (in the version of the character I prefer and would recommend for screen). There's a neat contrast with Batman there.

She also exists to challenge his morality. He basically falls in love with a woman who is a criminal and proud of it. But she doesn't kill people and she isn't pure evil... just greedy. This forces Batman to decide whether her criminal transgressions are great enough to withhold his love and protection from her, and whether he should actively try to put the woman he loves behind bars.

A BRILLIANT dramatic set-up if there's ever been one.

[regwec]

Yep, words well wrought.

[BatmanFanatic]

Yep, words well wrought.

Why thank you. :yay: I also find it interesting to note that he always lets her get away with it, one way or another, to rob another day. To me that ties in nicely with the idea that love is a force far greater than our human notions of justice, and no matter how many times she steals, plunders or kicks him in the face and laughs, he can't change the way he feels about her. Though he may go through the motions of attempting to catch her or even threatening her or putting her in handcuffs (from which she always quickly escapes) he's completely whipped. All Catwoman has to do is bat her eyelashes and say "Oh, please don't let them lock me up. I'll never do it again, really..." and he'll believe her. Or rather not, but he'll let her go anyway.

They are the yin and yang of the comic book universe. She is outwardly criminal but secretly nice and very happy in her life. He is outwardly heroic but secretly vengeful and very unhappy in his. It's beautiful. *wipes a tear* :cwink:

[regwec]

Yeah, that's why it terrifies me so much that Nolan would "uglify" her in the same way as The Joker. No doubt a majority of users here would rush to defend the decision, but I think it would destroy the dynamic which you describe.

[BatmanFanatic]

Yeah, that's why it terrifies me so much that Nolan would "uglify" her in the same way as The Joker. No doubt a majority of users here would rush to defend the decision, but I think it would destroy the dynamic which you describe.

I feel exactly the same way. And it's only safe to say that at the moment because everyone else is gone on here. Lol!

I am contented by the thought that Nolan isn't going to bother himself with her character in the third film. A sexy burglar playing second fiddle to two face? Bruce struggling with his morality vs his heart and loins while his old friend is deciding who lives and dies by the toss of a coin? I doubt it.

I think characterization is a weak point for Nolan, and the Cat/Bat dynamic is more character than plot based. Nolan is great at the big twists, the original plot elements, the pacing, structure and visuals ... he works well with a great premise from which to work. But a story all about Bruce and Selina would be too melodramatic for his strengths. And probably wouldn't make too good of a summer blockbuster...not enough action... it's more like "Batman for women" that whole part of the mythos... the tragic love that could not be! =)

[regwec]

I suppose that, from a marketing perspective, "Batman for women" might be a difficult sell; it wasn't a stunning success for Superman Returns. I do think that Selina is a cornerstone of the fiction that shouldn't be ignored, however. If nothing else, she at least prevents the necessity of creating rather vapid "feminine interest" characters like Rachel Dawes.

I will say that Nolan does seem to make good use of female leads in general; Hillary Swank was possibly the best thing about Insomnia. There is no escaping the fact that Catwoman is "comicbooky", though, and I fear that would induce him to make some needless "gritty" or "realistic" revisions of the mythos. He would be following Frank Miller's lead in this respect, but it is a motion I have always deplored.

[itsthebatman]

Yeah, that's why it terrifies me so much that Nolan would "uglify" her in the same way as The Joker. No doubt a majority of users here would rush to defend the decision, but I think it would destroy the dynamic which you describe.
He missed his best chance of 'uglifying' her by casting Maggie Gyllenhaal in a separate role.:o

I feel exactly the same way. And it's only safe to say that at the moment because everyone else is gone on here. Lol!

I am contented by the thought that Nolan isn't going to bother himself with her character in the third film. A sexy burglar playing second fiddle to two face? Bruce struggling with his morality vs his heart and loins while his old friend is deciding who lives and dies by the toss of a coin? I doubt it.

I think characterization is a weak point for Nolan, and the Cat/Bat dynamic is more character than plot based. Nolan is great at the big twists, the original plot elements, the pacing, structure and visuals ... he works well with a great premise from which to work. But a story all about Bruce and Selina would be too melodramatic for his strengths. And probably wouldn't make too good of a summer blockbuster...not enough action... it's more like "Batman for women" that whole part of the mythos... the tragic love that could not be! =)
It doesn't have to be all about her - but it could be about Bruce trying to find love, especially in the wake of Rachels' mooted death, and how he copes with this new woman in his life. If they played with the on-off dynamic established in TLH and Dark Victory, it could work well. But there probably wouldn't be enough time in one movie to do justice to it.
Damn you, Rachel Dawes!
Also, BF... don't you ever sleep?

[jmc]

Gritty and realistic is how the character would be portrayed, like it or not. If Nolan was to add the Cat, he would adapt her to fit into his Batman universe, and he would give her reason for what she does and justification for why she wears a cat mask.

[batboy99]

Exactly! I'll never get what people see in her. :sleepy:
She can act for starters...

[itsthebatman]

Gritty and realistic is how the character would be portrayed, like it or not. If Nolan was to add the Cat, he would adapt her to fit into his Batman universe, and he would give her reason for what she does and justification for why she wears a cat mask.
'Cats frighten me. It's time my robbery victims shared my dread.'

[itsthebatman]

I will say that Nolan does seem to make good use of female leads in general; Hillary Swank was possibly the best thing about Insomnia.
Carrie-Anne Moss was great in Memento. Scarlett Johannson in The Prestige? Not so much.

[jmc]

'Cats frighten me. It's time my robbery victims shared my dread.'

Should have seen that one coming. :woot:

[regwec]

he would give her reason for what she does and justification for why she wears a cat mask.
She already has those: you mean that he would change her character and motivations.

Yes, I expect he would, though unlike The Joker, there really have been many quite different revisions of Catwoman's character from which he could choose. I expect he would take Frank Miller's pseudo-gritty and vaguely misogynistic approach, or something similar. Or just dull her down altogether, a la Ra's al Ghul and the Scarecrow.

[BatmanFanatic]

I suppose that, from a marketing perspective, "Batman for women" might be a difficult sell; it wasn't a stunning success for Superman Returns. I do think that Selina is a cornerstone of the fiction that shouldn't be ignored, however. If nothing else, she at least prevents the necessity of creating rather vapid "feminine interest" characters like Rachel Dawes.

Yes, I love her in the fiction, and I wish there were more "types" of Batman films so we could have our pick, just like in the comics and graphic novels.

There could be the good, smaller, 'Batman for Women' type film, and another dark, black and white Sin-city style Batman film, and all the other aspects which don't fit in with the current BIG-Batman type movies. Unfortunately for those who love variety, Batman just doesn't get any smaller than the summer blockbusters with the huge explosions as long as the WB execs have a say.


I will say that Nolan does seem to make good use of female leads in general; Hillary Swank was possibly the best thing about Insomnia.

Swank may have been great, but every other film he did the woman was merely something to be rescued or killed as motivation for the central characters. That includes Memento, Following, Prestige and Begins. And he didn't write Insomnia so I think Hillarys character was already pre-set to be interesting.

There is no escaping the fact that Catwoman is "comicbooky", though, and I fear that would induce him to make some needless "gritty" or "realistic" revisions of the mythos. He would be following Frank Miller's lead in this respect, but it is a motion I have always deplored.

I deplore that motion in equal measure. I do NOT want to see Selina as some washed up hooker or former S&M call girl. Or wearing army recon gear to rob museums and high rise penthouses.

But now I fear I must be off as the INWT cult will be waking up at any moment to beat me with sticks. :cwink:

[BatmanFanatic]

He missed his best chance of 'uglifying' her by casting Maggie Gyllenhaal in a separate role.:o

I'm sure I'm a horrible person for laughing my butt off at that ;)

But there probably wouldn't be enough time in one movie to do justice to it.
Damn you, Rachel Dawes!


Nope, that's why I'm sure it wont be happening.

Also, BF... don't you ever sleep?

I'm not sleeping yet because I'm on a roll with my script =)

[BatmanFanatic]

'Cats frighten me. It's time my robbery victims shared my dread.'


ROFL!!!!

:applaud

Yes, it's clear the justification for characters behavior in Nolan's "realism" is flawless. I can't wait to see the explanation for that one. I'm sure it will really out-do the comic books =P

[Vs-F-J]

Keri seems to be the one name that seems to cause the least amount of controversy when discussing potential actress portraying the Cat.

Well, these forums are extremely fickle, cos I'm sure that only a month ago the majority was decided that Charlize would be the best choice for the role.

Charlize perfectly combines superb acting talent with almighty sex appeal (and only almighty sex appeal is worthy of Catwoman!) I still stand by her for Catwoman - even if I now stand alone. :whatever:

http://laviecommeellevient.blog.20minutes.fr/album/pour_le_plaisir/charlize-theron-paris.jpg

[regwec]

I'll stand by Sienna Guillory, 'cause I always have. Pah. That woman owes me.

[Mr. Socko]

I like Charlize, and think she would do a good job. But I think Keri Russell would be even better.

[Vs-F-J]

^Now that surprises me. I thought you'd go for the goddess over the girl next door.

[itsthebatman]

I'll stand by Sienna Guillory, 'cause I always have. Pah. That woman owes me.
Send her an invoice.

[Laderlappen]

^Now that surprises me. I thought you'd go for the goddess over the girl next door.I would very much like to meet the girls you have next door Vs.

[nitemareseraph]

I like Charlize, and think she would do a good job. But I think Keri Russell would be even better.


I like Keri Russell, but not so much for Catwoman.....I do, however, like the idea of Kate Beckinsale.......

[Majik1387]

I prefer a real actress over a living mannequin.:o

[nitemareseraph]

I prefer a real actress over a living mannequin.:o

Just to be clear.......are you referring to Beckinsale? Lol

[Laderlappen]

Can somebody explain to me why Kate B is sucha popular choice?

[Gianakin_]

My guess is, she was seen in Underworld with a tightleather costume that fit her like a glove (and made her sexy).
But I personally don't see her as Catwoman.

[regwec]

Send her an invoice.
I'm not allowed to send her any more post after the "earlobe" incident. :csad:

[union_jak]

I've decided Keri Russell is my first choice now.

[jmc]

ROFL!!!!

:applaud

Yes, it's clear the justification for characters behavior in Nolan's "realism" is flawless. I can't wait to see the explanation for that one. I'm sure it will really out-do the comic books =P

O ye of little faith.

[Izzy_23]

My guess is, she was seen in Underworld with a tightleather costume that fit her like a glove (and made her sexy).
But I personally don't see her as Catwoman.

She'd make a good Poison Ivy.

[Majik1387]

No she wouldn't. At all.

[Izzy_23]

No she wouldn't. At all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Kate_Beckinsale.jpg/452px-Kate_Beckinsale.jpg

She's got the look and she could play the part.

But who would you cast as Ivy?

[Majik1387]

Looks, I can give you. I will say she is a beautiful woman, but that's where it ends. She can't act for ****.
As for who I would cast, at the moment I'm liking Kate Winslet for Poison Ivy.
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060928/104125__kate_l.jpg

[batboy99]

i can see that working

[Laderlappen]

She's got the look and she could play the part.



But who would you cast as Ivy?

Being a woman is not enough to be cast in any part.

[David Rice]

She can act for starters...

After what you said about Eliza and Beckinsale I can't take anything you say about acting to heart.

Sorry...

:csad:

As for Russell...

She can act, I'll give you that, but she has no sex appeal. She's a great big :sleepy: fest!!!!!

[jmc]

Hmm, good actress or someone who has sex appeal?

I'll take the good actress.

[Dr. Fate]

Even if Keri Russell did exude sex appeal I wouldn't be able to see her as Catwoman. Heck, I'm having a hard enough time imagining her voice coming out of Wonder Woman's mouth for that direct to DVD WW feature due out later this year/early next year.

[David Rice]

Hmm, good actress or someone who has sex appeal?

I'll take the good actress.

You need both. If you know anything about Catwoman you would know that. :cwink:

Even if Keri Russell did exude sex appeal I wouldn't be able to see her as Catwoman. Heck, I'm having a hard enough time imagining her voice coming out of Wonder Woman's mouth for that direct to DVD WW feature due out later this year/early next year.

Thank you! :woot:

[jmc]

You need both. If you know anything about Catwoman you would know that. :cwink:


I know about Catwoman. In your opinion Keri has no sex appeal, she's a good actress, who's to say she can't bring sex appeal to the character?