Catwoman / Selina Kyle thread

[Timstuff]

OK, there hasn't really been any talk from people connected to the project that she'll be in the movie, but since this is a new forum, I figured we could use a thread to discuss the possibility of Catwoman / Selina Kyle being in the movie.

Personally, I think she should be played by Kate Beckinsale, wearing the Catwoman costume that was seen in Hush. I've come up with what I think is a pretty good background story for her. I think her origin should sort of rhyme with Batman's, but not repeat it.

Selina would have had a very tough childhood. She grew up in a crappy part of Gotham, her dad ran off when she was a kid, her Mom died, and she has a kid sister who she was struggling to support, even though she herself was still a minor. She did confide in a good friend of hers though; and elderly woman who lived next door, who took care of stray cats. Often times, Selina and her sister would go over and feed the cats with her.

Selina had great skill in learning gymnastics, and in desperation to support her sister and herself, she began to employ these skills as a theif. One night though, she stole from the wrong man: Carmine Falcone. Selina managed to escape from Falcone and his thugs, but she was far from safe.

Falcone knew who she was, because he was, in fact, her real biological father. He sent his thugs to her home, where they proceeded to trash the place and tormented Selina's sister. Poor Selina looses custody of her Sister, and is ordered by the CPS not to see her during her psychological therapy.

Selina decides to use the money she got from theiving to travel to Europe, where she hones her skills and becomes a master theif. She also learns martial arts so she can better defend herself. She returns to Gotham as a wealthy socialite, and at night she is "Catwoman" a persona she created because she identified herself with her friend's stray cats. Her mission is to put an end to poverty in Gotham, so that people won't be forced to steal to survive, like she once had to.

Discuss. :)

[ultimatefan]

I guess they´re going to avoid that now because of CINO... Leave it for the third movie, maybe. In any case... JOLIE DAMMIT!!

[SolidRoar]

They should treat her like they treated Batman after B&R to make her win the audience over again. They can start by introducing her character, Selina Kyle, in Batman 2 and only show her as Catwoman (if they want to) at the end of the film or in Batman 3.

Oh, and BECKINSALE DAMMIT! :D

[CConn]

I agree with the Lee Costume and Beckinsale ideas, though I really don't think, if Catwoman is ever introduced, an orgin will be needed or shown.
They should treat her like they treated Batman after B&R to make her win the audience over again. They can start by introducing her character, Selina Kyle, in Batman 2 and only show her as Catwoman (if they want to) at the end of the film or in Batman 3.I agree 100%. :up:

[batboyRETURNS]

I like Beckinsale alot for Catwoman.

[CConn]

I like Beckinsale alot for Catwoman.I like Beckinsale a lot period... :o

[BatmanRules33]

I guess they´re going to avoid that now because of CINO... Leave it for the third movie, maybe. In any case... JOLIE DAMMIT!!

i agree except with jolie. no way, shes too over rated and big (you no where).

[BK]

I say leave her origin story very simple. The way it's planned out in the first post, it almost feels like it's her own movie if every one of those scenes are shown. 20 minutes, tops, of introducing her character is enough. Rough childhood, decides to take up thievary, always been a gymnast and fighter, rises up Gotham's ranks, blabla.

As for the suit, they can't really screw it up if they go for the Balent costume, or the one in Brubaker's series. She's a cat burglar after all, so she doesn't need ultra concealing stuff. Her skills as a burglar at night should be enough.

Actresses, my top 2 has always been Jolie and Theron. Any one of them could play the role to a T. Beckinsale...I'm on the gate with her. She's an ok actress, but I don't know if she could pull of the Catwoman side. Doesn't seem like the type to exude sexuality and flexible. She's more of the girly girl, or rich socialite type to me.

[Timstuff]

I fully agree that her origin shouldn't be fleshed out too much, because it would take too long and to show it all it'd need a movie of it's own. But what I wrote was a backstory, and Selina's gonna need a good one if they want the character to have depth. She could make some references to things that happened in her past so that we have some idea of where she came from and what her motives are. We don't need to have a full blown origin story though, because this is, after all, a BATMAN movie, so they shouldn't spend too much time on setting up a supporting character.

I also agree that actual appearances by Catwoman in film #2 should be kept to a minimum, because they should use Selina's presence to build up steam for number #3, where her role could be signifigantly expanded since she'd already be established from film #2. If they really want to do her relationship with Bruce/Batman justice, they should establish it in #2 and build on it in #3.

[BK]

Agreed. Heck, I think it would be cool if they mirrored BR's ending and have Catwoman show up in some shape or form in the catsuit.

She'll need a backstory, yes. But I think a rough explanation would be enough. I still don't like how she goes international to learn skills, mirrors Bruce too much. I'd rather have it be that she stays in her city and learn that way. She's not trying to become a master fighter, so I don't see the point.

[criticalcasting]

I like Beckinsale a lot period... :o

If this was 1995, just after Hackers, and before Angelina Jolie came out into the mainstream of hollywood tabloids, I would've picked her for the newest Catwoman. But now she's "Lara Croft" and Mrs. Smith and Bradgelina and I'm starting to get sick. I remember interviews with her back in 1997 when she said she would be wary of how the media could f**k up her image. Well, they're on her case every minute of every day and I sympathize for her.

Beckinsale is my top choice at the moment, she's still sort of has that air of mystery about her, and hey why not she's British anyway, I kind of like this British-European-dominated cast. Those brits are damn good actors aren't they? The Brits are lucky they dont have a Sean William-Scott;) I'm ashamed we even do.

Plus, Bale and Beckinsale have worked together before (indie film, Laurel Canyon), and it was decent, nothing spectacular, but nothing horrible like "anakin, you're breaking my heart!":)

My only requirement, please cast a WOMAN, a WOMAN, a 25-35 yr old who actually looks like her age. Not one of these actresses who still look like they could pass for college girls: Katie Holmes, Jessica Alba, etc. Look, I'm sorry they started their careers in those family-friendly, and/or teenagerific tv shows. It hasn't helped. Scarlett Johansson, on the other hand, that girl's going places. (Ghost World rocked!)

[kpjoon]

Kate Beckinsale was ALWAYS my choice for a Catwoman ever since I saw Underworld. She has the look, the body, and the talent in my opinion. BUT! I disagree on having the Catwoman costume being based off the HUSH design. I mean, I'm a fan of the costume myself but seeing the goggles in live action seems a bit silly.
I want something original for a Catwoman costume...

The way I see it, have Selina Kyle in number two and a short glimpse of her as catwoman around the end and fully introduce Catwoman in the third.

[Timstuff]

Agreed. Heck, I think it would be cool if they mirrored BR's ending and have Catwoman show up in some shape or form in the catsuit.

That's actually a very cool idea. As long as it's just differetent enough that people won't see it as being a direct copy of BR, I'm all for it. It would be a very cool way to introduce the character and wet people's appetite for the sequel, kind of like how they had the Joker card at the end of Begins. :)


Beckinsale is my top choice at the moment, she's still sort of has that air of mystery about her, and hey why not she's British anyway, I kind of like this British-European-dominated cast. Those brits are damn good actors aren't they?

Yeah, I think Beckinsale would be a great actress for Catwoman, and she'd fit in very nicely with the very british cast and director. She's a very talented and beautiful actress, and she also has some experience with action, and has worked with bale before. She has a great mysteriouse cat-look to her as well. Just look at her on the Underwold 2 poster! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Guyper/underworld_evolution.jpg

Granted, the movie looks pretty stupid, but that's hardly Beckinsale's fault. :p

[kpjoon]

I will watch anything with Beckinsale in it... even though it sucks.
Pearl Harbor anyone?

[Ceb-Man]

Kate Beckinsale as Catwoman....oh yeah!

The Ceb-Man!

[x_man]

Beckinsale all the way........

On to the costume.

I really like Jim Lee's Catwoman, but then i say THE BATMAN Catwoman and I really liked it. I liked the orange goggles a lot. I dunno but maybe it should be a mix of those two.

[Macphisto]

The problem with Beckinsale, though, is that while she looks sexy, she can't act sexy. More often that not, she comes across as too rigid and sounds like she's reading her lines from a teleprompter.

[BK]

^^ Yeah that was my thoughts on her too, but I said it in a less harsher way. :o

[Future Prez]

CINO ruins all chances we fans have of Batman had of seeing a beautiful vixen clad in tight black spandex, topped off with cat-like ears... now I have even more reason to hate that stupid CINO!!!!!!

[criticalcasting]

The problem with Beckinsale, though, is that while she looks sexy, she can't act sexy. More often that not, she comes across as too rigid and sounds like she's reading her lines from a teleprompter.

I think you just have to watch Beckinsale's films OTHER than the big movies. You need to watch the smaller films she's done.

[Rizpower]

My only requirement, please cast a WOMAN, a WOMAN, a 25-35 yr old who actually looks like her age. Not one of these actresses who still look like they could pass for college girls: Katie Holmes, Jessica Alba, etc. Look, I'm sorry they started their careers in those family-friendly, and/or teenagerific tv shows. It hasn't helped. Scarlett Johansson, on the other hand, that girl's going places. (Ghost World rocked!)
Your requirements are: I don't want to feel old when I go to the theater, so cast Catwoman MY age.

That's stupid. I don't think a 40 year old chick can be running along buildings and swinging on a whip. Bale is 30, Catwoman is 30 or under. And even then, that's besides the point. Cast whoever can actually ACT THE PART APPROPRIATELY.

[Macphisto]

I think you just have to watch Beckinsale's films OTHER than the big movies. You need to watch the smaller films she's done.

Just checked imdb. I've seen every single movie she's been in, be it leading role or cameo.

Edit: Thought I should add that I'm not some anti-Beckinsale obsessive who hunts down her latest release just to *****. lol. I've seen all her movies because it's my job to. I'm a film journalist and have been for the past six years. Anyway, not once have I seen a performance that screamed major catwoman contender. Sure she looks hot in leather, but that's where any comparison to the femme fatale ends.

[Timstuff]

She may not have had a role that "screams" Catwoman, but that's because she wasn't playing Catwoman in those roles. But as me and many others have been saying, there are many reasons why she is a good canidate for the role.

1. She looks like Selina from the comics
2. Has experience with action roles
3. Has worked with Christian Bale
4. She's got the talent to make the role work
5. She looks good in tight leather
6. Nolan likes working with brittish actors, and Beckinsale is brittish

[Macphisto]

She may not have had a role that "screams" Catwoman, but that's because she wasn't playing Catwoman in those roles. But as me and many others have been saying, there are many reasons why she is a good canidate for the role.

1. She looks like Selina from the comics
2. Has experience with action roles
3. Has worked with Christian Bale
4. She's got the talent to make the role work
5. She looks good in tight leather
6. Nolan likes working with brittish actors, and Beckinsale is brittish

Ok, I can see your reasoning, but I mostly disagree.

1. Given how Selina's appearance has undergone countless changes through the years, so do a thousand other actresses.

2. agreed there.

3. Yes, and the basis of their relationship was that they lacked chemistry together. Which was very evident.

4. Like I said before: she looks sexy, but she can't act sexy. She'd make a great librarian.

5,6 I agree.

Of course this is just my opinion. Like yourself, many others, aside from BK, seem to think she'd be great.

[BK]

I'm curious, who are your top 3 choices for the role?

[criticalcasting]

Your requirements are: I don't want to feel old when I go to the theater, so cast Catwoman MY age.

That's stupid. I don't think a 40 year old chick can be running along buildings and swinging on a whip. Bale is 30, Catwoman is 30 or under. And even then, that's besides the point. Cast whoever can actually ACT THE PART APPROPRIATELY.

Heh. You totally have the wrong impression of my post. I didn't say I wanted a 40 yr old. I said I wanted a 25-35 yr old, and someone who looks ehr age. Catwoman is a WOMAN...it doesn't say CATGIRL or CATCOLLEGEGIRL, or CATTEENAGER. I'm around Katie Holme's age by the way, and I'm done. :batman:

[Dark Knight]

wait to put Catwoman in 3rd film. Jolie IS Selina/Catwoman!!

[jg73]

It will take a good five years for the shockingly bad Catwoman with Halle Berry to be forgotten so Selina shouldn't be in any of the films in the near future. As for who should play her, I don't think Beckinsale should even be considered. She's been given many opportunities to be an A grade star and she has bombed in all of them. Jolie or Theron for catwoman and Eva Green for Talia

[hey yo its sean]

Maybe "Catwoman" doesn't even need to be a part of the equation. Just have Selina Kyle be a love interest while alluding to her leading a double life as Catwoman.

[kpjoon]

^Exactly what I've been saying.

Batman Begins: Rachel
Batman 2: Selina Kyle
Batman 3: Catwoman.

It's perfect.

:)

[BatmanRules33]

wait to put Catwoman in 3rd film. Jolie IS Selina/Catwoman!!

no shes not. shes joker:o

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Jolie all the way. Beckinsale ain't half the actress that Angie is and would be a pi$$ poor choice.

[Timstuff]

JolieBeckinsale all the way. BeckinsaleJolie ain't half the actress that AngieKate is and would be a pi$$ poor choice.

There, that's better. :p

OK, OK, technically neither of them have been in many good movies as of late, and Jolie has an Oscar which in the eyes of shallow persons makes her better. But Beckinsale at least is not a paparazzi and media magnet, and she would work better with the cast they have set up. To me Jolie is too much celebrity, and not enough actress. Beckinsale has the talent but is still waiting for a breakthrough project IMO.

[BK]

Waiting? I think she's already tried and failed with Van Helsing and the Underworld films don't you think? :p

In the very least, both of them deserve a screentest. And yes, technically if we wanted a safer choice for the role, Beckinsale would be it. I just don't think she could pull it off imo. Jolie however just oozes the traits of Catwoman even outsier her acting career. Ain't her fault the media loves her. And plus, if we really think about it she's only been in the spotlight 3 significant times. That ain't much for what seems like billions like the posters here seem to imply. Just remember, it can't be as bad as TomKat. Unlike them, Jolie wants to focus on promoting her movies and not her personal life. Look how well both her and Pitt handled their situations despite the overwhelming odds. :up:

[BatmanRules33]

Waiting? I think she's already tried and failed with Van Helsing and the Underworld films don't you think? :p



hell yeah. especially van helsing. what a horrible dissapointment THAT was. and her accent sucked. "know one can beat transelvanian horses. not even verewolves." oh brother.:down


and please no more with the jolie ****. we dont even know (and i doubt) that catwoman will appear in nolans films. and IF she were, it sure as hell wouldnt be JOlie. shes not british, and nolan likes british ppl. plus, she IS too much celebrity, and damn, her and brad just better jump off a roof togther and end there sad existence in the public eye, ARGH. im almost about to say the same thing about tom and katie, bleh!

[hey yo its sean]

I think i agree with BK. While Beckinsale may have displayed some of Catwoman's traits with Underworld(which is debateable), Jolie just exudes the character, and all the time.

[Timstuff]

Beckinsale does well with what she has. She's not in extremely high demand, so you can't really blame her for accepting a crappy script or two.

[BatmanRules33]

are ppl saying beckinsale cuz she 1. was in a movie with bale and they were in love, therefore thinking theres some kinda chemistry already (wich i doubt) or 2. cuz ppl think she looks good in black leather?

[BK]

Beckinsale does well with what she has. She's not in extremely high demand, so you can't really blame her for accepting a crappy script or two.
It's not that, it's that both of the films were obviously made to be hits with the public. And both...failed. :o

[The Riddler]

kate beckinsale is perfect.

[SilentType]

I've seen nothing to suggest she can act.

[DorkyFresh]

rent the Aviator, she was pretty good in it. she's GREAT with accents...

[Dark Knight]

Waiting? I think she's already tried and failed with Van Helsing and the Underworld films don't you think? :p

In the very least, both of them deserve a screentest. And yes, technically if we wanted a safer choice for the role, Beckinsale would be it. I just don't think she could pull it off imo. Jolie however just oozes the traits of Catwoman even outsier her acting career. Ain't her fault the media loves her. And plus, if we really think about it she's only been in the spotlight 3 significant times. That ain't much for what seems like billions like the posters here seem to imply. Just remember, it can't be as bad as TomKat. Unlike them, Jolie wants to focus on promoting her movies and not her personal life. Look how well both her and Pitt handled their situations despite the overwhelming odds. :up:


Beckinsale as Talia.......Jolie as Catwoman. No debate.....

[Dark Knight]

I've seen nothing to suggest she can act.


watch......Serendipity, Pearl Harbor, Laurel Canyon, Aviator. Good acting by her in those films.

[The Riddler]

Beckinsale as Talia.......Jolie as Catwoman. No debate.....
except there is a debate.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

My top 3 choices are

1. Angelina Jolie
2. Shannyn Sossamon
3. Christina Ricci

[Timstuff]

Beckinsale as Talia.......Jolie as Catwoman. No debate.....

No, it's actually quite open to debate. I want Talia to look more foreign and ethnic, so they need someone like Mia Maestro. And I've already said on many occasions why I don't want Jolie as Catwoman, but I don't feel like dragging all that into this.

[The Riddler]

My top 3 choices are

1. Angelina Jolie
2. Shannyn Sossamon
3. Christina Ricci
christina ricci?

what are you smoking?

[BK]

Yeah..I don't really know about that.

Can someone make it possible to make Jolie and Theron one person? That'd be the perfect Catwoman. :(

[BatmanRules33]

Beckinsale as Talia.......Jolie as Catwoman. No debate.....

your right theres no debate...they both suck for batman!! keep em away!!:down

[Timstuff]

Christinna Ricci looks too crazy and not sexy enough. And more importantly, she does not look like a WOMAN. :o

She might work as Harley Quinn... But I'm more partial to Brittany Murphy for that role.

[Zues4Life]

I have to say that Angelina Jolie or Kate Beckinsale would be good for the role of Selina Kyle/Catwoman.

[Zues4Life]

Christinna Ricci looks too crazy and not sexy enough. And more importantly, she does not look like a WOMAN. :o

She might work as Harley Quinn... But I'm more partial to Brittany Murphy for that role.


Same here.Brittany Murphy has the perfect look for Harley Quinn.

[Dark Knight]

Same here.Brittany Murphy has the perfect look for Harley Quinn.


yeah...the only ones i want to see for Harley is Murphy or Johansonn

[Zues4Life]

Since we know that the Joker is in the sequel,we need to start a petition to get Harley Quinn in the movie.:D

[IzzyJG99]

I am a man of few words and there are a few words.

Catwoman. Hush Catwoman Design. NOW. I said now, damnit!

[Timstuff]

It would be awesome if Dr. Harleen Quinzel takes over Arkham in film #2 and Catwoman has a fight with Harley Quinn in Batman 3. :D

[Zues4Life]

I'd like to see something similar to TAS.Harley is Jack Napiers counciler and she falls in love with him and an accident turns him into he Joker and he turns to a life of crime and Harley joins him.BOOYA!!!:D

[kpjoon]

sheri moon= the perfect harley

[Nancy-Twin]

sheri moon= the perfect harley

aww yeah she actually would be! Did you see House of 1000 corpses? hmmm her or Murphy definently.

[Timstuff]

If they want to do Selina/Catwoman's relationship with Bruce/Batman justice, they're really gonna have to do it across multiple films. I don't think they can accurately convey the sheer complexity of their relationship if they have to do it all in one movie, and since Selina is more of a "long term" love interest in the comics, it would make sense to have her appear in more than one film.

That's why I say it would work best for her to be established in the second film, without letting the audience know that she's Catwoman other than a few mentions of high-profile thefts that have been occuring in Europe, and at the end of the movie, we could get a tingling tease that she will in fact be appearing as Catwoman in the next film, like the Joker card at the end of Begins. Maybe they could "homage" the final shot from Batman Returns. Then, in the third film, they can truly dive into the complexity of the relationship between the Bat and the Cat.

[patrickbateman]

MY PIC FOR TAILA BUT SHE COULD WORK AS CATWOMAN

LISA RAY
http://www.g21.net/Auggrax/lisaraycov.jpg
http://www.g21.net/Auggrax/lisamars.jpg

[kpjoon]

aww yeah she actually would be! Did you see House of 1000 corpses? hmmm her or Murphy definently.
Yup! Which is exactly why she's my top choice! :up:

[Timstuff]

So, does anyone else think that there should be any refference to Maggie Kyle in the movie if Selina shows up? I think it would be interesting if Selina at least mentioned her.

[Timstuff]

Michael Uslan apparently thinks Catwoman could show up in the new series. He adresses it in the last question of his latest interview.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3367

[zanos]

OK, there hasn't really been any talk from people connected to the project that she'll be in the movie, but since this is a new forum, I figured we could use a thread to discuss the possibility of Catwoman / Selina Kyle being in the movie.

Personally, I think she should be played by Kate Beckinsale, wearing the Catwoman costume that was seen in Hush. I've come up with what I think is a pretty good background story for her. I think her origin should sort of rhyme with Batman's, but not repeat it.

Selina would have had a very tough childhood. She grew up in a crappy part of Gotham, her dad ran off when she was a kid, her Mom died, and she has a kid sister who she was struggling to support, even though she herself was still a minor. She did confide in a good friend of hers though; and elderly woman who lived next door, who took care of stray cats. Often times, Selina and her sister would go over and feed the cats with her.

Selina had great skill in learning gymnastics, and in desperation to support her sister and herself, she began to employ these skills as a theif. One night though, she stole from the wrong man: Carmine Falcone. Selina managed to escape from Falcone and his thugs, but she was far from safe.

Falcone knew who she was, because he was, in fact, her real biological father. He sent his thugs to her home, where they proceeded to trash the place and tormented Selina's sister. Poor Selina looses custody of her Sister, and is ordered by the CPS not to see her during her psychological therapy.

Selina decides to use the money she got from theiving to travel to Europe, where she hones her skills and becomes a master theif. She also learns martial arts so she can better defend herself. She returns to Gotham as a wealthy socialite, and at night she is "Catwoman" a persona she created because she identified herself with her friend's stray cats. Her mission is to put an end to poverty in Gotham, so that people won't be forced to steal to survive, like she once had to.

Discuss. :)


Kate Beckinsale is an ok choice but I've never seen her do the ultra sexy and confident seductress role before. Ideally this role should probably go to Charlize Theron. Btw there's no reason at all for her to adopt a persona like Catwoman or wear a silly cat costume. It's not like she stands for anything other than stealing.

[kpjoon]

Theron doesn't look too bad in the Aeon Flux movie
But Beckinsale is still my top choice

[Boy Zeppo]

In my humble opinion Beckinsale isn't strong enough an actor to be any part in the movie, Katie Holmes (who I believe to be a good actress) is the weakest of the awesome cast in begins and beckinsale could be drowned by the class... and she isn't very Catwoman atall... to me...

Jolie is more like what I see as Catwoman

but she brings a great deal of superstar baggage and I doubt she will be Batman movie of the current franchise...

if Nolan was casting Brit's for the parts there are many better than Beckingsale... Claire Forlani is one who has a good record with Hollywood movies but there are many... Martine McCutcheon is better than Beckingsale... Thandie Newton... Kiera Knightley

my favourite pics are on looks Charisma Carpenter, but she may be acted off the screen, OR Carrie Anne Moss

i dont no really

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

angelina jolie..is CATWOMEN!

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5356/angelinajolie160xc.jpg


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/149/angelinajolie127tq.jpg



http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6013/angelinajoliepart20972ur.jpg

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Nah, Kate Beckinsale.

[BK]

Jolie's more Catwoman in her real life than Beckinsale will ever be. :up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

argghhhhh

jolie.......

:D

[BigBadBat87]

Radha Mitchell would be great.She's going to be a star.She appeared in Pitch Black,Man On Fire,Finding Neverland,Phonebooth,and recently the title role in Woody Allen's Melinda & Melinda.She's the new Michelle Phifer.

[The Sage]

MY PIC FOR TAILA BUT SHE COULD WORK AS CATWOMAN

LISA RAY
http://www.g21.net/Auggrax/lisaraycov.jpg
http://www.g21.net/Auggrax/lisamars.jpg

I agree about her as Talia! :eek::up:

[Dark Knight]

Jolie's more Catwoman in her real life than Beckinsale will ever be. :up:


Exactly! Jolie IS Catwoman in every sense of the word! I don't understand how some of you don't see that. Some of you are nuts....

[Dark Knight]

Radha Mitchell would be great.She's going to be a star.She appeared in Pitch Black,Man On Fire,Finding Neverland,Phonebooth,and recently the title role in Woody Allen's Melinda & Melinda.She's the new Michelle Phifer.


she was hot in Pitch Black...and in Man on Fire....

[Timstuff]

Exactly! Jolie IS Catwoman in every sense of the word! I don't understand how some of you don't see that. Some of you are nuts....

Jolie is a **** in real life, but that doesn't mean she'd be good as Catwoman on screen. I don't think of Catwoman as a ****, I think of her as being seductive and manipulative. I'm sure Jolie could play a non-****ty Catwoman, but I'd have a hard time imagining them hiring her unless that's the approach they wanted to take.

I think that Beckinsale would be a much better choice. She does not have an over-powering celebrity status, she looks alot like Jim Lee's Catwoman, and while she's beautiful, she looks a little more subtle than Jolie. She's been in alot of crap movies, but she's not a highly sought-after actress. Under Nolan's direction and a good script she could be great though.

[BK]

Jolie is a **** in real life, but that doesn't mean she'd be good as Catwoman on screen. I don't think of Catwoman as a ****, I think of her as being seductive and manipulative. I'm sure Jolie could play a non-****ty Catwoman, but I'd have a hard time imagining them hiring her unless that's the approach they wanted to take.
Please explain how in the world Jolie is a ****.... :down

[Timstuff]

Come on, don't tell me you've never watched or read an interview with her? :rolleyes:

She openly brags about her sexuality constantly. On Leno last year (before she hooked up with Brad Pitt) she said that she often invites male friends over just to have sex, and then they go back to being "just friends" the next morning. She has one of the most active and public sex lives of any female celebrity, I can't believe that you never knew she was a ****.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

so..but when a man does the same thing has sex with multible women he is called a stud..

don't figure.

[Timstuff]

No, I call him an unloyal pig.

[BK]

Come on, don't tell me you've never watched or read an interview with her? :rolleyes:

She openly brags about her sexuality constantly. On Leno last year (before she hooked up with Brad Pitt) she said that she often invites male friends over just to have sex, and then they go back to being "just friends" the next morning. She has one of the most active and public sex lives of any female celebrity, I can't believe that you never knew she was a ****.
Do...you know what a **** is? :confused:

Get a dictionary, it's either a promiscuous woman, or a prostitute. She's not the latter, and I wouldn't consider her promiscuous. She doesn't just get "any random male" off the street and ask to have sex with them. A **** is also someone without any standards, willing to screw anything. Again, obviously not Jolie since she seems to go with the "friends-with-benefits" angle (situation I'm also in with 2 other friends :D ). But I digress...

So to sum it up, she's not a ****. She's what you call a nympho. :up:

This is one of the problems in America. They can never tell from a good f*** or a good **** from the other. :o

[The Sage]

Jolie or Theron would be good for Selina. I see Beckinsale more as Talia personally.

[BK]

Jolie or Theron would be good for Selina. I see Beckinsale more as Talia personally.
You suck. I wanna hear a better opinion than a simple sentence. That's not the sage I know. :down




















:p

No but really, you really should say more. :o

[Timstuff]

OK, so perhaps Jolie does not meet the Webster definition of ****. But the term is used pretty loosely these days, often to describe someone who frequently jumps between multiple sexual partners without inhibition.

Anyway, I do not see Beckinsale as Talia, she doesn't have enough of a foreign look, probably because she's british. Mia Maestro and Eva Green seem like better canidates to me, however there could be someone even better who I haven't heard of. Beckinsale has a fairly exotic look to her, but it's not the kind I'd want for Talia. It's more the kind I'd want for Catwoman.

[BK]

OK, so perhaps Jolie does not meet the Webster definition of ****. But the term is used pretty loosely these days, often to describe someone who frequently jumps between multiple sexual partners without inhibition.
Doesn't matter how loosely the term is used, the fact is it's wrong and only idiots that don't know what they're talking about (not you in particular) use it.

It's fine to not like an actress for the role. I can gladly admit the argument that she's too famous holds some weight in being a factor to her casting. But when you go as for to personally attack her because of her open sexuality (ooh a girl that likes sex; tsk tsk), it's just not needed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Fun/snoop_nope.gif

[catwoman19]

OK, there hasn't really been any talk from people connected to the project that she'll be in the movie, but since this is a new forum, I figured we could use a thread to discuss the possibility of Catwoman / Selina Kyle being in the movie.

Personally, I think she should be played by Kate Beckinsale, wearing the Catwoman costume that was seen in Hush. I've come up with what I think is a pretty good background story for her. I think her origin should sort of rhyme with Batman's, but not repeat it.

Selina would have had a very tough childhood. She grew up in a crappy part of Gotham, her dad ran off when she was a kid, her Mom died, and she has a kid sister who she was struggling to support, even though she herself was still a minor. She did confide in a good friend of hers though; and elderly woman who lived next door, who took care of stray cats. Often times, Selina and her sister would go over and feed the cats with her.

Selina had great skill in learning gymnastics, and in desperation to support her sister and herself, she began to employ these skills as a theif. One night though, she stole from the wrong man: Carmine Falcone. Selina managed to escape from Falcone and his thugs, but she was far from safe.

Falcone knew who she was, because he was, in fact, her real biological father. He sent his thugs to her home, where they proceeded to trash the place and tormented Selina's sister. Poor Selina looses custody of her Sister, and is ordered by the CPS not to see her during her psychological therapy.

Selina decides to use the money she got from theiving to travel to Europe, where she hones her skills and becomes a master theif. She also learns martial arts so she can better defend herself. She returns to Gotham as a wealthy socialite, and at night she is "Catwoman" a persona she created because she identified herself with her friend's stray cats. Her mission is to put an end to poverty in Gotham, so that people won't be forced to steal to survive, like she once had to.

Discuss. :)


i totally agree. i even think that they should use the hush story line later for batman if they continue after the 3 movies they make. the purple costume would be fine but the hush outfit would be best. and the actress just has to have a sex appeal to her and cleverness. otherwise it just won't work. they really need to make sure they stick with the ORIGINAL catwoman and not the crappy halley version..... that movie just scared everyone away from my main girl. so i hope they bring selina into the BB movie sometime. She needs to be brought back they way she's suppost to be.

CATWOMAN ROCKS!!!!
bat luvs cat.

[BK]

and the actress just has to have a sex appeal to her and cleverness. otherwise it just won't work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/joliecatwoman.jpg

:o

[catwoman19]

personally i do think jolie would be a good choice. thanks for showing everyone what im talking about BK. :)

[catwoman19]

and im sure that jolie could seduce bats too.. just like catwoman. hehe

[Timstuff]

Jolie's sex life has nothing to do with wether or not she'd be good for the role (except that it draws so much negative attention from the press). It has little to no bearing on wether or not she'd be qualified for the role, but I do not like how some people speak as if it somehow makes her better for the role.

And as popular as that comparison pic of Jolie is, I do not really see the resemblance that so many people rant and rave about.

I think that Kate Beckinsale has a very good resemblance to Jim Lee's version Catwoman.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Guyper/underworld_evolution.jpg

http://www.cnv.co.il/dude/pics/catwoman.jpg

[catwoman19]

i dont think any one is really saying Kate Beckinsale isn't a good part. personally i don't think the comparasion that you show looks like hush cats at all. but kates normal pic would been a better show. jolie's sex life has nothing to do with it. its her sex appeal that most are refering to. kate's role would fit the age to match christain bale a lot better. kate or jolie would be a great either way. im just afraid kate wouldn't have that sexyness to her. her role in underworld , she was really cold.
http://www.celebritysearchengine.co.uk/fantasy/picturefolder/katebeckinsale/kate-beckinsale-3.jpg

[catwoman19]

this would work too

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/07/in.look.style.beckinsale/vert.beckinsale.jpg

[Timstuff]

Her character in Underworld was cold, but I think that that had more to do with the writing/direction than Beckinsale's ability to act. She hasn't really gotten a truly "sexy" role yet, but she's a good actress and I'm sure she could pull it off. She works with the material she is given, and as long as Nolan and Goyer know how to make Catwoman sexy, Beckinsale would be a fine choice.

[BK]

Both women deserve a screentest. Whoever gets picked I'm sure will be up to par.

[Timstuff]

100% agreed.

[The Sage]

You suck. I wanna hear a better opinion than a simple sentence. That's not the sage I know. :down




















:p

No but really, you really should say more. :o


LOL

I like Jolie as an actress and as a beautiful woman. I think she could play Selina well. My opinion has nothing to do with her personal life, because quite frankly when she's on that big screen in the theater, I could give a crap about what she does in her private life. It's the acting that matters. Theron's a good actress too, great look and body. Both could do the role well, though I'd prefer Jolie more mainly because she has more of the look.


Anyway, I do not see Beckinsale as Talia, she doesn't have enough of a foreign look, probably because she's british. Mia Maestro and Eva Green seem like better canidates to me, however there could be someone even better who I haven't heard of. Beckinsale has a fairly exotic look to her, but it's not the kind I'd want for Talia. It's more the kind I'd want for Catwoman.

Her look is great to me. I haven't read anythign that says Talia's supposed to look real foreign, only that she has somewhat of an exotic look and mesmerizing look. Beckinsale has that IMO. As an actress, I thought she was good in Scorese's The Aviator, a REAL film unlike Underworld (sorry to all the Underworld fans out there.)

[Dark Knight]

Jolie or Theron would be good for Selina. I see Beckinsale more as Talia personally.


Thats the way I see it also.....Theron would be a good Poison Ivy though. :up:

[Dark Knight]

i dont think any one is really saying Kate Beckinsale isn't a good part. personally i don't think the comparasion that you show looks like hush cats at all. but kates normal pic would been a better show. jolie's sex life has nothing to do with it. its her sex appeal that most are refering to. kate's role would fit the age to match christain bale a lot better. kate or jolie would be a great either way. im just afraid kate wouldn't have that sexyness to her. her role in underworld , she was really cold.
http://www.celebritysearchengine.co.uk/fantasy/picturefolder/katebeckinsale/kate-beckinsale-3.jpg


May I present...Talia Al Ghul.

So gorgeous and mesmerizing. I read a recent article about how she needs to more space from her marriage, and that her husband clings and smothers her (can't blame him really) oh..oh...if she gets the part of Talia.....knowing the chemistry of her and Bale in Laurel Canyon....sparks may fly! :up:

[Dark Knight]

Beskinsale is not as aggressive as Jolie is....and that is why i think Jolie beats her out for the role of Catwoman. Plus Jolie just exudes Catwoman, with her eyes, lips, sexuality and aggressive yet cute attitude at the same time. Beckinsale has that gorgeous, mesmerizing, exotic and mysterious look of Talia. She actually looks like she can be a daughter of Ra's Al Ghul/Neeson.

[Dark Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/joliecatwoman.jpg

:o


that pic alone....just proves she would make a great Selina Kyle/Catwoman :up:

[Selina_Kyle]

Exactly! Jolie IS Catwoman in every sense of the word! I don't understand how some of you don't see that. Some of you are nuts....

Go Angelina! :) :up: :up:

[Robin91939]

http://antoine.tissier.lost-oasis.net/gimp/Halle.Berry.avant.jpg
http://www2.morgenpost.de/z/photos/p/Catwoman/i69aa851ee927c5efa2114254e1564357_bmp.jpg
http://heavenlycelebrities.com/Pics/halle_berry/halle_berry266.jpg


She would make the perfect Selina Kyle....(not Patience Phillips)


I really would be behind casting her as Selina...I mean, my god Just look, and the woman can act.


-R

[Selina_Kyle]

omg NO. Halle Berry may be a great actress but not for this role. She was horrific in "Catwoman" that movie must've scared off a number of potential Catwoman fans!

[Dark Knight]

http://antoine.tissier.lost-oasis.net/gimp/Halle.Berry.avant.jpg
http://www2.morgenpost.de/z/photos/p/Catwoman/i69aa851ee927c5efa2114254e1564357_bmp.jpg
http://heavenlycelebrities.com/Pics/halle_berry/halle_berry266.jpg


She would make the perfect Selina Kyle....(not Patience Phillips)




I really would be behind casting her as Selina...I mean, my god Just look, and the woman can act.


-R

my wish....is to have just one full night with her alone in my bed.....(actually her bed would be a bit nicer) haha

[Dark Knight]

Go Angelina! :) :up: :up:


oh yeah...it's a slam dunk choice actually. Plus she is the right age also. She is like a year younger than Bale i believe.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

oh angelina..how i love thee..a cyborg can love too...

:o

[Dark Knight]

oh angelina..how i love thee..a cyborg can love too...

:o


lol...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

ohh baby..

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1332/066xm.jpg

[Timstuff]

Beskinsale is not as aggressive as Jolie is....and that is why i think Jolie beats her out for the role of Catwoman. Plus Jolie just exudes Catwoman, with her eyes, lips, sexuality and aggressive yet cute attitude at the same time. Beckinsale has that gorgeous, mesmerizing, exotic and mysterious look of Talia. She actually looks like she can be a daughter of Ra's Al Ghul/Neeson.

See, here is an example of someone who uses Jolie's real life personality as a reason for why she should be Catwoman, and I can't stand it! By this logic we should have gotten Osama Bin Laden to play Ra's Al Ghul because he's an arab who wants to blow the crap out of our cities. Jolie is more sexually aggressive in real life, but that does not mean that Kate Beckinsale can't play a sexually aggressive woman in a movie. People claim they don't care about Jolie's personal life if you bring it up in a negative context, but they frequently say "She's teh sexx0rz on legs!" when they're talking about how great she is.

And once again, freakin' no to Beckinsale as Talia.

[Timstuff]

Anyway, this manip pretty much says it all.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1791

BECKINSALE DANGIT!!!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

evrybody will have an idea of who they would wan't..beckingsale..gorgeous.but anglelia isn't just a pretty face,shes good at action and a oscar winner..not to mention very good at playing spit personalitys..

:up:

[BK]

See, here is an example of someone who uses Jolie's real life personality as a reason for why she should be Catwoman, and I can't stand it! By this logic we should have gotten Osama Bin Laden to play Ra's Al Ghul because he's an arab who wants to blow the crap out of our cities.
There's a BIG difference there man. You know, for the fact that Bin Laden is not even an actor who works in the U.S. and really is a madman. Compared to Jolie who LOOKS the part, already ACTS the part, and is an actress. Tell me specifically what similarities you see in those 2 situations, because I can't see a damn thing.

Jolie is more sexually aggressive in real life, but that does not mean that Kate Beckinsale can't play a sexually aggressive woman in a movie.
Jolie has a one-up on Beckinsale in this category because she can do it naturally, no? Just because Beckinsale hasn't been given the chance to show it off, does it mean we can't count Jolie's obvious advantage here?
People claim they don't care about Jolie's personal life if you bring it up in a negative context, but they frequently say "She's teh sexx0rz on legs!" when they're talking about how great she is.
Last time I checked, legs = body part = appearance, nothing to do with her personal life. Unless there was this huge scandal I'm missing about how her legs caused mass hysteria for weeks, then that statement has no merit at all.

[Superman79]

So, maybe this is wayyy out there, (and really Beckensdale or Jolie would be perfect for both Talia and Selina) but what about a dark horse candidate like Rachel McAdams for Selina. We know she can do sweet, and carry a mean streak, plus she really is smokin hot. Not saying she's perfect, but she could pull it off.

Another one (and this might actually be better for Talia, but hey...) would be the ever radiant Monica Bellucci.

Just tossin those out there...feel free to toss tehm back or whatever..

[Dark Knight]

evrybody will have an idea of who they would wan't..beckingsale..gorgeous.but anglelia isn't just a pretty face,shes good at action and a oscar winner..not to mention very good at playing spit personalitys..

:up:


another reason why she would be a bit more appropriate for Selina ahead of Beckinsale.

[BigBadBat87]

Anybody have any sugestions besides Jolie & Backinsale?

[Dark Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/joliecatwoman.jpg

:o


can someone manip the pic on the left of Jolie with that pose of Catwoman from Batman Returns.....that TimStuff loves using with Beckinsale? I'll bet Jolie would look better than Beckinsale as Catwoman in that manip.

[Timstuff]

another reason why she would be a bit more appropriate for Selina ahead of Beckinsale.

If you want to play the "She already did in another movie, so she's perfect!", guess what? Kate Beckinsale has played a love interest of Christian Bale's before. Does that [i]really make her more qualified for the role? In my opinion, no. I don't think actors should be cast in a certain role because they were good at a similar role in another movie, because that's type casting, and I do not like type casting. I think people should be cast because they have acting ability, not because they "proved" they were good for a specific role in a different movie.

[BK]

I seem to remember you and others bringing up Beckinsale and Bale's previous work COUNTLESS times. :confused:

And no, it would not be typecasting, because typecasting requires the actor/actress to play a specific type of role more than like 4-5 times. Playing it twice or even thrice is hardly that.

Why wouldn't recounting previous works be accountable? I also seem to remember everyone on the batboards bringing up American Psycho and Equilibrium as a basis for why Bale would be good in the role of Bruce Wayne and Batman respectively. Now are you saying their basis was wrong? Cause I also seem to recount Bale doing one hell of a job in Batman Begins.

[Timstuff]

My problem is that many people seem to shut out any possibilities other than Jolie because they've already decided "Jolie can do everything that I want Catwoman to do, so that means that there's no one else who would be just as good!" The truth is though that there are other actresses besides Jolie who could play Catwoman, and there are certainly choices that the studio/production team would be more likely to select. Jolie is not a very realistic nomination, and IMO she is not the best choice avalible.

[BK]

That mindset is conjured up by yourself. No one here has said that Jolie's the only choice. We simply stated because she (insert whatever reason here), she has a one-up over the others that haven't done that. That's all, it's pretty simple. No need to get all riled up over it.

[Dark Knight]

My problem is that many people seem to shut out any possibilities other than Jolie because they've already decided "Jolie can do everything that I want Catwoman to do, so that means that there's no one else who would be just as good!" The truth is though that there are other actresses besides Jolie who could play Catwoman, and there are certainly choices that the studio/production team would be more likely to select. Jolie is not a very realistic nomination, and IMO she is not the best choice avalible.


why is she not realistic?? She is a heckuva an actress.....and she seems like a really appropriate for the part of Catwoman....if Selina Kyle is ever reintroduced. She wouldn't bring baggage.....i think she is a professional.

[DarMar106]

mmm..

[Dark Knight]

Anybody have any sugestions besides Jolie & Backinsale?


not really.....

[Timstuff]

why is she not realistic?? She is a heckuva an actress.....and she seems like a really appropriate for the part of Catwoman....if Selina Kyle is ever reintroduced. She wouldn't bring baggage.....i think she is a professional.

She's probably more expensive than the studio wants to pay. Charlize Theron used to be one of my favorite picks (and I'm sure she could do the job well enough), but I realised she was an un-realistic choice because she's likely more expensive than the studio would want to pay. Her paycheck for Aeon Flux was 10 million, which is probably about a tenth of that film's budget. I don't know what Jolie gets for her films, but she's an even bigger name than Theron, so I expect she gets payed even more.

[Dark Knight]

She's probably more expensive than the studio wants to pay. Charlize Theron used to be one of my favorite picks (and I'm sure she could do the job well enough), but I realised she was an un-realistic choice because she's likely more expensive than the studio would want to pay. Her paycheck for Aeon Flux was 10 million, which is probably about a tenth of that film's budget. I don't know what Jolie gets for her films, but she's an even bigger name than Theron, so I expect she gets payed even more.


but look at the other all star thesps involved with BEGINS? they all took pay cuts to be in the production.....if Jolie likes the script and wants to work with Nolan and the rest of the ensemble....she will take a paycut.

[The Sage]

See, here is an example of someone who uses Jolie's real life personality as a reason for why she should be Catwoman, and I can't stand it! By this logic we should have gotten Osama Bin Laden to play Ra's Al Ghul because he's an arab who wants to blow the crap out of our cities. Jolie is more sexually aggressive in real life, but that does not mean that Kate Beckinsale can't play a sexually aggressive woman in a movie. People claim they don't care about Jolie's personal life if you bring it up in a negative context, but they frequently say "She's teh sexx0rz on legs!" when they're talking about how great she is.

And once again, freakin' no to Beckinsale as Talia.

My reason for selecting Jolie as a choice for Catwoman has nothing to do with her personal life. :o

[The Sage]

Anyway, this manip pretty much says it all.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1791

BECKINSALE DANGIT!!!

These pictures pretty much say it all.

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7146/beck22800x6004hg.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6361/beck50800x6007ke.jpg

TALIA AL GHUL MOTHERF**KER! :mad:

[Timstuff]

I don't see anything. And I'm guessing that whatever they were they would not convince me that she'd be good as Talia.

[BK]

I definitely see Talia in the first pic. :up:

And timstuff, what makes you say she can't do Talia? None of her previous roles are close to either Selina or Talia, so why begrudge her of one, and not the other?

[Timstuff]

She could do Talia, just like Jolie could do Poison Ivy. But I think she's better for Catwoman (which I think those pics reaffirm if anything), just like you guys would say about Jolie. Personally I think that we could do better than Beckinsale for Talia, because I want someone with more of a foreign and exotic look to them. Not that Beckinsale doesn't look exotic, it's just that I think she looks more Catwoman-exotic, and I think Talia should look more mediterrenian exotic.

Anyway, this thread is about CATWOMAN. So let's not get side-tracked by bringing in all these other characters who you think a certain Catwoman nom should play instead. So for now we can agree to dissagree.

[Dark Knight]

These pictures pretty much say it all.

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7146/beck22800x6004hg.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6361/beck50800x6007ke.jpg

TALIA AL GHUL MOTHERF**KER! :mad:


yep! these pics are more proof to me that this gorgeous woman is the ideal Talia! The hair, the face, the body......Please Goyer and Nolan write in Talia to make her presence in the sequel. She should introduce herself as Lady Shiva....an assasin sent by the league to kill the man who "might" have killed Ra's Al Ghul. Then later in the film she reveals her true identity, to the general movie audiences surprise! Perfect way to write Talia in the story IMO.

[Timstuff]

Those pictures scream Selina Kyle to me. If you want to talk about Talia start a new thread. Otherwise I see it as just an attempt to distract attention from the fact that many people want her as Catwoman.

[BK]

Many? Compared to the people that want Jolie? :p

[Dark Knight]

Many? Compared to the people that want Jolie? :p


yeah...i think there is more of a consensus of Jolie for Catwoman

[Darko]

Kate Beckinsale is TALIA dammit.

[Dark Knight]

Kate Beckinsale is TALIA dammit.

i agree....it would be sweet to see her and Bale onscreen together again....

[Timstuff]

yeah...i think there is more of a consensus of Jolie for Catwoman

According to the last poll, 55% of the respondants DIDN'T wan't Jolie. Beckinsale was in second place and had a fairly small percentage in comparison to Jolie, but this being the internet I was actually surprised that there weren't even more people flocking to Jolie.

Kate Beckinsale is TALIA dammit.

Good for you. Why don't you start a TALIA thread to boast about it? It's pretty obviouse to me that you're only saying that here because you don't want her to be Catwoman. :o

[The Sage]

Angelina Jolie for Catwoman.

[BK]

According to the last poll, 55% of the respondants DIDN'T wan't Jolie. Beckinsale was in second place and had a fairly small percentage in comparison to Jolie, but this being the internet I was actually surprised that there weren't even more people flocking to Jolie.
Ok, so you wanna play that game. According to the last poll:

Kate Beckinsale had 16.51% of all the choices provided. That means 83.49% DIDN'T want Beckinsale for Catwoman. Quite a leap from Jolie's 55%, no?

Also, Jolie got 134 votes, while Beckinsale got 52. So basically her numbers were close to tripled by the Jolie fans that wanted her for Catwoman.

:)

[The Sage]

Ok, so you wanna play that game. According to the last poll:

Kate Beckinsale had 16.51% of all the choices provided. That means 83.49% DIDN'T want Beckinsale for Catwoman. Quite a leap from Jolie's 55%, no?

Also, Jolie got 134 votes, while Beckinsale got 52. So basically her numbers were close to tripled by the Jolie fans that wanted her for Catwoman.

:)


SMELL THE OWNAGE...

[Timstuff]

I won't be blinded by a silly internet poll. Almost everyone who voted knew who Jolie is, but I'll bet less than half know who Beckinsale is, and I'll bet even fewer knew any compelling reason as to why they should vote for her. Point is, if someone DIDN'T vote Jolie, it obviousely wasn't because they were un-familiar with her.

And once again, it's AN INTERNET POLL. Internet polls are about as reliable as a wetherman when it comes to judging public opinion, especially somewhere as isolated as an internet message board. Which is why I am VERY grateful that it WON'T be internet polls that decide who plays Catwoman, if she's even in the Batman sequels (which I hope she is).

[IzzyJG99]

No offense, but Jolie looks like a used up hooker on a sunday morning.

They need to find someone who's not mainstream.

[Timstuff]

Beckinsale has been in some mainstream movies, but no big hits. Her better work is mostly small productions. She's a fairly fresh face I'd say, at least in comparison to Jolie who's face is everywhere.

[BK]

I won't be blinded by a silly internet poll. Almost everyone who voted knew who Jolie is, but I'll bet less than half know who Beckinsale is, and I'll bet even fewer knew any compelling reason as to why they should vote for her. Point is, if someone DIDN'T vote Jolie, it obviousely wasn't because they were un-familiar with her.

And once again, it's AN INTERNET POLL. Internet polls are about as reliable as a wetherman when it comes to judging public opinion, especially somewhere as isolated as an internet message board. Which is why I am VERY grateful that it WON'T be internet polls that decide who plays Catwoman, if she's even in the Batman sequels (which I hope she is).
Ok...so you said all of that, yet you were the one to bring up that poll in the first place. :confused:

No offense, but Jolie looks like a used up hooker on a sunday morning.
I have 2 responses to that:

1) You must've not seen her on a good day

2) Sign me up for used hookers on Sunday mornings

:up:

[The Sage]

I won't be blinded by a silly internet poll. Almost everyone who voted knew who Jolie is, but I'll bet less than half know who Beckinsale is, and I'll bet even fewer knew any compelling reason as to why they should vote for her. Point is, if someone DIDN'T vote Jolie, it obviousely wasn't because they were un-familiar with her.

And once again, it's AN INTERNET POLL. Internet polls are about as reliable as a wetherman when it comes to judging public opinion, especially somewhere as isolated as an internet message board. Which is why I am VERY grateful that it WON'T be internet polls that decide who plays Catwoman, if she's even in the Batman sequels (which I hope she is).

Buddy didn't you bring up the poll in the first place? :rolleyes:

[my0pic_spidey]

Angelina Jolie for Catwoman.


:up: :up:

[criticalcasting]

They need to find someone who's not mainstream.


Man, it sucks she's so mainstream and exposed byt he media and tabloids these days. I remember when she was that kick-ass girl from Hackers, and when she just started to gain recognition from Gia. IF we could go back in time just a few years, then Jolie would be my Catwoman candidate. It's all messed up now. thank the media for f***ing up actors' images. Brangelina......sigh.

[Robin91939]

Beckinsale= Talia Head
Jolie or Alba= Selina Kyle


-R

[Superman79]

Beckinsale= Talia Head
Jolie or Alba= Selina Kyle


-R

agreed.

hehe...Talia's last name is "head"...heehee:)

[The Chairman]

Catwoman's story should be similar to Batman's. She too went through a horrible personal experience that caused her to alienate herself from the outside world. One night she can't take it anymore and tries to kill herself with gas. She passes out but is revived by her cats. Catwoman goes around fighting villians just as Batmn would do, but also commits criminal acts as well, much like in Batman Returns. All the while, her secret identity is romancing Bruce Wayne when she's not kicking the crap out of him when he's Batman.

As for casting, a few actresses stick out in my mind. Jessica Alba is one of them. I know a lot of people think she's a horrible choice for the role. but she has had experience in super hero movies (though Fantastic 4 stunk) and if anyone watched the great shortlived tv series Dark Angel, she can do all of Catwoman's stunts. I think Kate Beckinsale would do the role nicely, too. Angelina Jolie has more of a Poison Ivy feel to her.

No matter what, though, I still think Michelle is the definitive Catwoman.

[Timstuff]

Alba seems a bit young for Bale, and she's already played Sue Storm in Fantastic 4, so that doesn't really help her chances alot, since there's probably an F4 sequel on the way.

Beckinsale is still my top choice. (and I don't want to hear any "Talia" remarks. Take it to a Talia-related thread).

[Timstuff]

And also, I don't want to see another origin involving Selina dying and coming back from cats. That was never part of her origin in the comics, and it's too much like Batman Returns. I think she should have had a bad childhood and become a thief out of desperation, eventually escalating to a master thief and donning the Catwoman costume.

[The Only Woj]

So, maybe this is wayyy out there, (and really Beckensdale or Jolie would be perfect for both Talia and Selina) but what about a dark horse candidate like Rachel McAdams for Selina. We know she can do sweet, and carry a mean streak, plus she really is smokin hot. Not saying she's perfect, but she could pull it off.

My vote is for McAdams. I really like her. :up:

[BigBadBat87]

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/03/13/thumb/venus1.jpg

Radha Mitchell as Selina Kyle Dammit!!! :eek: :up:

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_1750012.jpg Purrrr...

http://img.iskon.hr/kl/2004/05/24/0002030v.jpg Mrrowww...

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

meh.

[Milkman95]

My vote is for McAdams. I really like her. :up:

I like her too, but rumor has it she's in the running for Silver St. Cloud in BB2.........

If Gina Gershon was younger, I'd cast her in a second..............I'd rather go with a semi-unknown, NOT Angelina Jolie..........

[Superman79]

I like her too, but rumor has it she's in the running for Silver St. Cloud in BB2.........

If Gina Gershon was younger, I'd cast her in a second..............I'd rather go with a semi-unknown, NOT Angelina Jolie..........

Silver huh? Really, well as long as she's in the movies...but I still say that Catwoman would be a completely new type of roel for her (that she would fit well) and seeing that side of her would increase the appeal, plus the DOES look a lot like Selina, IMHO

[Timstuff]

I think I'd rather have McAdams playing Selina than introduce another useless dead-end character like Silver St. Cloud.

[The Sage]

I like her too, but rumor has it she's in the running for Silver St. Cloud in BB2.........

If Gina Gershon was younger, I'd cast her in a second..............I'd rather go with a semi-unknown, NOT Angelina Jolie..........

That's the latest rumor? Don't know if it's true or not, but that would be nice. Seeing Silver on the big screen.

[regwec]

I used to be a supporter of Jolie for Catwoman.

I would now prefer almost anyone else in the role.

The difference? About 400,000,000,000 square inches of newspaper and magazine over-exposure.

[Timstuff]

LOL welcome to the club. :D:up:

[The Chairman]

I like her too, but rumor has it she's in the running for Silver St. Cloud in BB2.........

If Gina Gershon was younger, I'd cast her in a second..............I'd rather go with a semi-unknown, NOT Angelina Jolie..........

I already posted a love interest thread and thought McAdams would be perect for a love interest, but I don't know about Catwoman. The role is a little deep for someone just starting out.

[The Chairman]

Heh. You totally have the wrong impression of my post. I didn't say I wanted a 40 yr old. I said I wanted a 25-35 yr old, and someone who looks ehr age. Catwoman is a WOMAN...it doesn't say CATGIRL or CATCOLLEGEGIRL, or CATTEENAGER. I'm around Katie Holme's age by the way, and I'm done. :batman:

Exactly right. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she did it, and she will forever be Catwoman.

[Timstuff]

Michelle Pfiefer was great as Catwoman, but I'm sure that whoever they get to play her in the new movies, as long as they giver her the same kind of respect they gave to re-adapting Batman, could be just as good, maybe even better than Pfiefer. Pfiefer was an amazing actress as Catwoman. But unfortunately, the writing of her character was un-faithful to the source material, and overall I didn't like it. She was such an amazing actress that she managed to shine even with a cruddy script, which I think is commendable and a testament to how talented she is.

I'm sure that Nolan and crew won't let us down if they choose to include Catwoman in the sequels. As talented as Pfiefer was, I'm sure that one of today's actresses is capable of delivering a performance that we'll all like and be happy with.

[Dark Knight]

overexposure means nothing to me...espcially if an actress is perfect for the role. Jolie has all the makings of a perfect Catwoman. Not her fault the paparazzi tails her everywhere. Plus she will bring even more people to the theaters....and create good buzz.

[Timstuff]

This arguement has been going on for years now. My POV is that Jolie is too much of a "superstar" to really fit in with the current cast, which is with the exception of Katie Holmes (who wasn't involved with the TomKat fiasco until AFTER Begins finished shooting), is full of very seriouse actors. Christian Bale said "A great actor never lets himself become bigger than the part he's playing", and the cast of Begins was a very good example of actors who are well know for their talent, but aren't media icons and never let themselves become too big to be believable in their roles. Everyone recognizes Jolie as being Jolie, because we constantly see her on TV and in print, everywhere. No matter what movie I see her in, I always think "Angelina Jolie" the whole time.

Anyway, this arguement isn't going anywhere. No matter what there's going to be people who say Jolie is too big a name for the role, and people who say that it doesn't matter. What DOES matter is who they end up choosing, but biases aside I don't think it's going to be Jolie.

[Dark Knight]

This arguement has been going on for years now. My POV is that Jolie is too much of a "superstar" to really fit in with the current cast, which is with the exception of Katie Holmes (who wasn't involved with the TomKat fiasco until AFTER Begins finished shooting), is full of very seriouse actors. Christian Bale said "A great actor never lets himself become bigger than the part he's playing", and the cast of Begins was a very good example of actors who are well know for their talent, but aren't media icons and never let themselves become too big to be believable in their roles. Everyone recognizes Jolie as being Jolie, because we constantly see her on TV and in print, everywhere. No matter what movie I see her in, I always think "Angelina Jolie" the whole time.

Anyway, this arguement isn't going anywhere. No matter what there's going to be people who say Jolie is too big a name for the role, and people who say that it doesn't matter. What DOES matter is who they end up choosing, but biases aside I don't think it's going to be Jolie.


it doesn't matter anyway.....i don't think Catwoman will be in the next film....my guess is Talia will show up.

[The Sage]

This goes out to the Jolie supporters:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4448/angelinajolie77ee1412803lo.jpg

[Dark Knight]

This goes out to the Jolie supporters:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4448/angelinajolie77ee1412803lo.jpg


the ultimate Catwoman! Yum! :up:

[Timstuff]

If Jolie were cast I would grow to accept it, because if Nolan were to select her he obviousely knows what he's doing and he knows what he's looking for. But my opinion is that someone with less media exposure would be a better choice.

[BK]

True. But if Nolan does cast her...I expect everyone to shut their mouths. :o

[Timstuff]

I would definately shut my mouth. What good is whining after the fact supposed to accomplish? :confused:

Whoever would be cast is who would be in the film, and IMO it'd be alot better to embrace whatever choice the director makes rather than tear myself apart by rejecting it, which would also decrease my ability to appreciate the movie.

Unless of course the choice really, really sucked. Like if they got Madonna. Then I'd probably start a petition drive or something. :D

[DorkyFresh]

I would definately shut my mouth. What good is whining after the fact supposed to accomplish? :confused:
Well at least you're not like the Wellingites...

[mad_harleyq]

Amber Valletta(hitch) i would have never thought of her if i didnt see this photo of her as a brunettehttp://celebritywallpapers.org/wallpapers/ambervalletta/amber_valletta_7.jpg

[Timstuff]

Casting aside, how should Selina be introduced in Batman 2?

[Selina_Kyle]

Casting aside, how should Selina be introduced in Batman 2?

I think it should just start out as Bruce first meeting Selina in the city or something and sparks fly and save till the end until shes Catwoman? What do you think?

[BK]

I'd have them meet up at a charity event and introduce themselves while dancing (an ode to BR). From then on they can expand on her character through dates since both of them connected real well.

[Jolie_Desastre]

JOlie is catwoman period

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1103/inside013tv.jpg
wow everyone believes way too many rumors here

[Superman79]

Casting aside, how should Selina be introduced in Batman 2?

I would almost be partial to more trickery like the Ra's thing...have Catwoman appear early and challenge Batman, and bring Selina in as well, but (and this is more for the casual audience and not us fanboys) don't give away Catwoman's Identity until 3/4 into the movie...give clues, but don't just give it away. Like i said...better for the casual audience, but it could be fun this way.

[regwec]

JOlie is catwoman period
No she isn't. You see? I can do that too!

[CaptainStacy]

1. She looks like Selina from the comics
2. Has experience with action roles
3. Has worked with Christian Bale
4. She's got the talent to make the role work
5. She looks good in tight leather
6. Nolan likes working with brittish actors, and Beckinsale is brittish


Sounds good to ME.

Kate for Cat!

[Jolie_Desastre]

No she isn't. You see? I can do that too!

yes she is! :p now we're being childish, but she has those catlike eyes and she looks like selina kyle and has the characteristics and talent to play kyle. so there i think she's kyle

[ArmsHeldOut]

Sounds good to ME.

Kate for Cat!


Kate Beckinsale for me. Yes please.

[Timstuff]

Of the three "most popular" choices for Catwoman, I'd rank them this:

1. Kate Beckinsale
2. Charlize Theron
3. Angelina Jolie

They could do alot worse than Jolie for Catwoman, and if she were chosen I would accept it and focus on the positive things she'd bring to the role. However my opinion is that Beckinsale would be best since she has the least media exposure and is more "ripe" for a big role like Catwoman. I rank Theron a notch above Jolie because I think she'd be a great Catwoman, if it weren't for the fact that she'd cost more than the studio would be interested in paying, similar to Jolie. Except she doesn't have as much media exposure, which is a plus (I'm not sure how much it's going to change after she's in Aeon Flux though). I think that Beckinsale is the most realistic choice.

Anyway, as for how I'd introduce Selina Kyle, I like the idea of her and Bruce meeting at some kind of charity ball. Bruce would see her standing across the room wearing an amazing gown, and the two of them would exchange glances as he passes by. Something about her really catches Bruce, and he can't stop thinking about her. Bruce decides he wants to know who this mysterious woman is, and they end up meeting on the dance floor, in homage to BR like BK suggested. After they introduce themselves (and we learn that it's Selina) be carrying on a converation while they're dancing, making small-talk and chatting about their backgrounds a bit, with Bruce seeming unusually flustered and a bit nervous, something that Selina didn't expect given Bruce's "playboy" reputation.

When the song ends, Selina asks Bruce if he wants to dance again, and he agrees. But this time it's a slow song, and before Bruce knows it, Selina has rested her head on his shoulder, and his hand hand is on her lower back. As things heat up on the dance floor though, Bruce ends up pulling away and leaving. Selina would be confused about what just happened. Bruce is also confused... Confused and afraid. When he tells Alfred about Selina, he says he left because he remembers what happened with Rachel, and how she couldn't have him as both Bruce and Batman. But deep down, it's also because he doesn't want to betray his parents' memory by becoming "distracted" from his mission, or by letting them go and opening his heart up to someone else. Those would be interesting and deep themes to have in the movie I think.

Selina would want to see Bruce again, and Alfred convinces him to go. Selina would be a bit of a mystery to Bruce, which would be an interesting element since he is a detective. Bruce is obviousely quite enigmatic himself, but he does a fairly good job hiding it whenever he's around Selina. We wouldn't actually see Catwoman until the end of the movie. Perhaps Batman would find her stealing something, and he chases her but she gets away. Then in the third movie, they could have Selina/Catwoman's role expanded further, and they could also further delve into Bruce's fears about moving on from his losses in the past.

They need to have at least one moment where the audience wants to slap Bruce upside the head for acting like a cold jerk. You can't have a good Bat/Cat story without one such moment. :)

[Timstuff]

bump

[Dark Knight]

Sounds good to ME.

Kate for Cat!


i think Beckinsales role as Selene in Underworld is too closely related to the Catwoman character. Thats another reason why i think Jolie would be better as Catwoman. However, Beckinsale for Talia.....all the way! :up: I'll battle until the end of time on this one my friend.....lol

[Timstuff]

People could say the same thing about Jolie being Lara Croft. I don't think it makes any difference. It's all up to the director's preference.

[DorkyFresh]

They COULD but they don't.....only you do. Beckinsale on the other hand wore a black outfit with material similar to Catwoman from Batman Returns.

[DorkyFresh]

As if there weren't enough reasons for Angelina to play CATwoman....hehe.....











http://www.beautifulangelina.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/preoctoberps02.jpg

[Timstuff]

Who cares? I don't think that it makes a difference for either actress. Both Underworld and the last Tomb Raider flick were flops, so I doubt that they're gonna be on people's minds if either actress gets cast. :o

[Cats]

What about supermodel Josie Maran for Catwoman? I thought she did quite a good job in Van Helsing.

http://images.rev108.com/viewnext.asp?picnow=141_12712_big.jpg&secloc=celebz6524lol8911
http://images.rev108.com/viewnext.asp?picnow=141_12717_big.jpg&secloc=celebz6524lol8911

[regwec]

I can't even remember who she was in "Van Helsing", which reflects badly on either her, me, or the movie; or all three.

[Cats]

She was one of the brides of dracula, a little unrecognizable due to the heavy make-up.
http://bystander.homestead.com/files/vampirebody.jpghttp://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/news/van_helsing/josie_maran.jpg

[mongo44]

http://www.poster.net/weisz-rachel/weisz-rachel-photo-rachel-weisz-6200285.jpg

I still say rachel weisz, it's not only her look and build, but her voice. Very deep and sultry.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/constantine/rachel_weisz/con4.jpg

Can you all tell that I am hoplessly and deeply infatuated with her?

[Macphisto]

http://www.poster.net/weisz-rachel/weisz-rachel-photo-rachel-weisz-6200285.jpg

I still say rachel weisz, it's not only her look and build, but her voice. Very deep and sultry.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/constantine/rachel_weisz/con4.jpg

Can you all tell that I am hoplessly and deeply infatuated with her?

I think she'd be a terrible choice. The woman simply cannot do a convincing American accent. She sounds like a New York cabbie from the '40s.

[Two-Face]

http://users.teol.net/~stevopfc/Pictures/Angelina%20Jolie/Angelina%20Jolie%20(3).jpg

[Timstuff]

Josie Maran irritated me like a rash in Van Helsing. She'd be a terrible choice as Catwoman! If she were cast I'd set something on fire. And Rachel Weisz is a good actress, but she can't play american characters convincingly. And if Catwoman had a brittish accent then it would not be right.

[Macphisto]

Rachel Weisz is a good actress, but she can't play american characters convincingly. And if Catwoman had a brittish accent then it would not be right.

Agreed, and this is coming from a Brit.

[mongo44]

And Rachel Weisz is a good actress, but she can't play american characters convincingly. And if Catwoman had a brittish accent then it would not be right.

Wrong! See Runaway Jury. This coming from an American actor specializing in accents.

[DorkyFresh]

Wrong! See Runaway Jury. This coming from an American actor specializing in accents.
Agreed...she did just fine in Constantine as well.

[Milkman95]

Trying to post some pics - how do you host them so you can paste them on a thread?

Just curious..........

[Macphisto]

Wrong! See Runaway Jury. This coming from an American actor specializing in accents.
Well, you are 'hoplessly and deeply infatuated with her' and so maybe your penis is conquering your brain when you watch her. Happens to me all the time.

There's a very popular radio show over here in the uk called the Jonathon Ross Show (BBC radio 2) and whenever a film is released with Weisz playing an American he plays soundbytes on air between ad breaks as comic relief. She's up there with Dick Van Dyke in foreign accent atrocities. One look at her film career and you'll see even the critics agree on one thing about her.

'Rachel Weisz is English. However, in this piece, she played a brash american, with an accent which defies description ... Weisz's performance was hampered inexorably by the strange ovoid shapes her mouth was cast into by the OTT-ness of her accent. Not offputting as such, just...strangely fascinating.'

'Weisz can be a good actress, but her tough-gal posturing and effortful American accent wear thinner by the blockbuster'

'My only real beef is Weisz, who I adore as an actress but who tragically sheds her British accent for a nasal and badly forced American squeak.'

These three quotes are taken from reviews of Runaway Jury and Constantine found on rottentomatoes.com, and are just the tip of the iceberg. But I won't bore you any further.

[Macphisto]

Trying to post some pics - how do you host them so you can paste them on a thread?

Just curious..........

I usually upload mine onto http://www.imagevenue.com/

[DorkyFresh]

These three quotes are taken from reviews of Runaway Jury and Constantine found on rottentomatoes.com, and are just the tip of the iceberg. But I won't bore you any further.
I'm on the fence with Rachel Weisz.....but I don't need to read other reviews to tell me what my own opinion is. And my opinion is that she did just fine in Constantine...

[Macphisto]

I'm on the fence with Rachel Weisz.....but I don't need to read other reviews to tell me what my own opinion is.
Neither do I. Those quotes are just to show that I'm not alone in my opinion her Amercian accent is bordering on horrific. I could have quoted more scathing reviews but I'm just too much of a nice guy.

[Milkman95]

I usually upload mine onto http://www.imagevenue.com/

Thanks..............

[mongo44]

Neither do I. Those quotes are just to show that I'm not alone in my opinion her Amercian accent is bordering on horrific. I could have quoted more scathing reviews but I'm just too much of a nice guy.

It’s not uncommon for an actor to change the resonance of their voice to achive an “accent” of some kind. My natural voice is deep in bass, raspy, and very southern. I was not cast in a part years ago because a director thought I sounded too southern. No one agreed with the director. However, I spent a solid year working on my voice to get it more “American” and less southern. To do this I have to raise the pitch in my voice actually talking higher than I normally do. I have gotten so accustom to it that now people are surprised when I relax my voice and talk in a normal tone.



Here in America not everyone speaks in the same accent. Here in the south alone we have so many variations on the southern accent it’s unbelievable. In the mountains of NC people still sound Scottish. In New Orleans it is a French sounding accent mixed with Caribbean and southern. My grandfather was from OK and he and his family sounded like they all had mock Irish accents and still do.



Am I infatuated? Yes. But not so much to sacrifice a great role such as Selina Kyle in the Batman franchise? No, Rachael is a phenomenal actor. I think Angelina Jolie falls into the over infatuation category for many on this board. I don’t think she can act her way out of a wet paper bag. (Maybe tear it with her huge collagen lips or augmented boobages). I could get over Rachael’s muddled American accent (which is actually a Californian accent) to see her in this role. America is a melting pot so are our accents.

[Timstuff]

You could also just use the file attachments when you're writing your post.

[regwec]

[color=black][font=Verdana]I think Angelina Jolie falls into the over infatuation category for many on this board. I don’t think she can act her way out of a wet paper bag.
There's a lot of truth in that. Back when I used to support Jolie for the role, my motivation was largely that I considered her at least twenty times as attractive as any other mortal.

[BK]

Bah, bs. She's not a tremendously good actress, but she's definitely good. FAR from bad. Her looks have nothing to do with it. Are we so jaded that we percieve a beautiful actress to be nothing but a folktale?

[regwec]

Not at all, and I didn't say that she was a bad actress as such. What I did say was that my support for her was primarily because of her looks. I refuse to believe that looks have nothing to do with it: otherwise why don't we have Judi Dench? She's a great actress!

[BK]

My comment about her looks was referring to her skills as an actress.

Of course looks has a lot to do with casting a specific role, especially this one. Jolie fills both categories to a T imo, so no complaints here.

[Timstuff]

Jolie isn't a bad actress. She's certainly a better potential Catwoman than alot of other names that I've heard thrown around. If she were cast, I would accept it, because I think they could get a pretty good performance out of her. I would prefer Beckinsale because she has less media exposure and is less recognizeable, but if Jolie were selected it'd hardly be the end of the world.

[Timstuff]

What kind of fighting style should Catwoman have, assuming she gets a chance to deal out some damage? I'm not very familiar with different martial arts styles, so I wouldn't know what kind would suit her personality/occupation best.

[regwec]

In 'Year One', Bruce Wayne assesses that Selina has "had karate training. But only karate". I think this would be about right: she's skilled, but not in Batman's league.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, she should be able to defend herself, but it should be pretty clear that Batman's martial arts skills are superior. They could explain her as having learned a style or two of martial arts on her way to becoming Catwoman, however they need to pick a style for her that seems uniquely "Catwoman".

For example, in Batman Begins, he's supposed to have learned Ninjitsu from Ra's Al Ghul, however the fighting style they used to filmed him was Keysi, because visually it was the best fit for the movie. In CINO they used the Brazillian style of martial arts, which may not have been such a bad idea if the rest of the movie didn't suck and they didn't wire-fu and over-edit everything. However it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to go with something else to differenciate themselves from CINO. It needs to be something a bit more visually arresting than plain-ol' Karate, but it also can't be something over-the-top that would look ridiculous in a "realistic" movie.

[Two-Face]

How did Selina learn to fight in comics?

[Dark Knight]

Yeah, she should be able to defend herself, but it should be pretty clear that Batman's martial arts skills are superior. They could explain her as having learned a style or two of martial arts on her way to becoming Catwoman, however they need to pick a style for her that seems uniquely "Catwoman".

For example, in Batman Begins, he's supposed to have learned Ninjitsu from Ra's Al Ghul, however the fighting style they used to filmed him was Keysi, because visually it was the best fit for the movie. In CINO they used the Brazillian style of martial arts, which may not have been such a bad idea if the rest of the movie didn't suck and they didn't wire-fu and over-edit everything. However it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to go with something else to differenciate themselves from CINO. It needs to be something a bit more visually arresting than plain-ol' Karate, but it also can't be something over-the-top that would look ridiculous in a "realistic" movie.


i think Catwoman should use the Brazilian Kapuera style....plus mix it in with some kickboxing or tai fighting styles.

[Timstuff]

Is the Brazillian Kapuera style sort of like breakdancing, except used for massive butt kicking? Such a style would probably fit Catwoman pretty well, because she'd probably want something that has a little bit of visual flash, so that her opponent could be slightly distracted while she deals out the damage. I think that they should also mix in some sort of grappeling fighting style, but "sexy it up" a little. I think it could be cool if Catwoman's fighting style sort of says "When I kick your butt, you'd love every minute of it if it weren't for the massive pain that ensues."

[regwec]

Whatever she does, it should be a realistic representation of what a woman of her weight and stature could achieve. I can't stand fight scenes like those in "Buffy", where a small, light female will deliver a short, weak backfist to a much larger and stronger opponent, and send him/her/it flying across the room.

I would like Catwoman to use an aethletic but commonplace style, such as Wado Ryu Karate or Tae Kwon Do, and employ it as a last resort.

[JLBats]

Whatever she does, it should be a realistic representation of what a woman of her weight and stature could achieve. I can't stand fight scenes like those in "Buffy", where a small, light female will deliver a short, weak backfist to a much larger and stronger opponent, and send him/her/it flying across the room.

I would like Catwoman to use an aethletic but commonplace style, such as Wado Ryu Karate or Tae Kwon Do, and employ it as a last resort.

That's because Buffy had magical strength powers:confused:

[regwec]

Yes, and it looked crap.

[JLBats]

Yes, and it looked crap.

In my opinion it had an energy to it that was nice. Not anything I'd want for Catwoman though.

[DorkyFresh]

I don't think Catwoman should even use martial arts.....she should use her whip if she ever gets in a confrontation, but if she must go hand to hand.....then it'd probably be best for her to straight up scratch the person to death.

[Timstuff]

I agree with Regwec that Catwoman's fighting style should be efficient and not over-the-top. She's a catburglar afterall, not a Ninja. Fighting should be her last resort, because she typically runs away to avoid a physical conflict. When she does fight though, it should still look unique and interesting, and a bit sexy too. She shouldn't be an expert martial arts master, but she should still be a compitent fighter and have some visual finesse to her moves. She may lack the technical knowledge and be weaker than Batman, but she should definately have the coordination, balance, and agility. She is Catwoman afterall, and if she has the skills to use Gotham's rooftops as her jungle gym, some of that grace and agility is likely to carry over to her fighting style, even if she phsyically isn't a match for Batman.

[Timstuff]

I don't think Catwoman should even use martial arts.....she should use her whip if she ever gets in a confrontation, but if she must go hand to hand.....then it'd probably be best for her to straight up scratch the person to death.

Her first option should always be to run away, but when she gets into a physical confrontation she should usually use her whip to keep attackers at bay. However, when she does get in close she should have some fairly good martial arts ability. There is actually a japanese weapon similar to Catwoman's claws called the Neko-Te, that was used by the Kunoichi (female Ninjas). I could see Catwoman using her claws (which I think should be retractable) with her fighting style in a similar fashion.

http://www.entertheninja.com/images/wpn_nekote.gif

The Neko-te were usually used by the kunoichi (female ninja). The weapon is strong iron fingernails that were fastened into leather bands fitted on the fingers, and resembled claws (not like that of of the shuko, ashiko) and were also dipped in poisons. The eyes were a favorite spot for slashing.

http://www.entertheninja.com/ninja_fact/weapons.shtml

[TheScarecrow]

As long as Christina Ricci plays her there will be no problem....

[DorkyFresh]

Actually....there WILL be a problem. You can bet there'll be a $#!+storm from a lot of batfans if Ricci ends up as Catwoman.

[Timstuff]

Ricci is quite possibly one of the worst nominations for the role I've heard. Just because she wore a catwoman mask in a photoshoot does not automatically make her Catwoman material. Just like how Brandon Routh wearing a Superman costume for halloween did not automatically make him Superman material (that didn't stop Bryan Singer though, unfortunately).

A big fat "no" to Ricci as Catwoman. She just plain looks too weird, and doesn't resemble Selina at all.

[DorkyFresh]

yeah but there's a difference....


...Routh actually looks like Supes, Ricci doesn't look like Catwoman.

[Timstuff]

Routh's head almost looks like supes. But that's getting off topic.

Ricci would suck as Catwoman!

[Babs Gordon]

yeah i'm pretty sure i wouldn't like ricci in the role.

here's a question. do you want a year one style selina, a hush style selina or a TLH style selina?

[Timstuff]

Hush Selina, all the way.

[regwec]

Yes, I'd personally prefer Selina not to be portrayed as a prostitute. If we're going to have a 'Year One' style Catwoman, then it would be better to make her a lapdancer/poledancer.

Having said that, I prefer the amatuerish Catwoman, who sometimes slips up, to the super-efficient Catwoman we've seen since 'Hush'.

[antmanx68]

I never liked the prostitute angle for catwoman. I think even if she slips up and stuff she needs to be pretty proficient for Batman to even give a crap. I really would love it if she was just a thrill seeking, eccentric, seductive catburglar who loved her job and had fun with it. She loves cats, she mods her gear to be cat themed, and then when she has a run in with Batman she becomes fascinated with him and they have their rivalry/romance/teamup/love/hate. I also really like the idea that Catwoman is "bad" because she is frivolous and totally self centered and she's always causing criminal mischief but when things get serious she isnt an evil person. I really like her portrayal in Hush, and i'd love to see Jolie playing that.

[Babs Gordon]

yeah i guess i'd want something somewhere between hush and TLH. i wouldn't want her to be a major part of any story. and i'd want her to be someone batman sort of meets in passing. he's got bigger fish to fry in this trilogy basically. maybe she could be a kind of obstacle in his way.

[antmanx68]

I want her to start out being someone Batman randomly encounters. But by the end Batman gets through to her and she ends up helping him with something big. I dont konw what it is, but something about their uneasy teamup in Hush really appealed to me.

[regwec]

Yes, she definately needs to be a competent thrill-seeker, but I think that it's important that we see that she's self-taught, and learning on the job. Mistakes happen. I disliked the fact that, in the last couple of issues of "Catwoman", she was able to breach an Uber-high security military research facility without even breaking a sweat.

[BK]

Was of now isn't she very experienced? At that point I wouldn't expect anything less from a cat burglar. :p

[regwec]

Sure, but this verged on the meta-human, which she isn't supposed to be.

[M.O.Steel]

agreed.

hehe...Talia's last name is "head"...heehee:)

RAS = head
AL GHUL = the Demon

Talia's last name is not head.

[Dark Knight]

Yes, she definately needs to be a competent thrill-seeker, but I think that it's important that we see that she's self-taught, and learning on the job. Mistakes happen. I disliked the fact that, in the last couple of issues of "Catwoman", she was able to breach an Uber-high security military research facility without even breaking a sweat.


C. Eccleston was sent unto us that we might see The Joker portrayed righteously.


i agree.....^

[Alfie Luke]

M. O. Steel,
I read in some comics ( including Hush ) people calling her Talia Head.
( I could be wrong though... or it could vary from comic to comic )

Anyways, what would you guys prefer Selina to be during the day?
Something like in TAS?

[Two-Face]

I like Selina TAS version:


"Selina Kyle has always had a thing for cats. She is a sophisticated, yet vengeful woman who is both as beautiful as she is deadly. Selina Kyle is a strong animal rights activist. However, as Catwoman she often takes matters into her own hands. This brings her into conflict with Batman. Catwoman has a somewhat different relationship with Batman than the rest of his rogues gallery. She is attracted to Batman and he shares that attraction in return. However, the law separates the two from anything more. It should be noted that while Catwoman and Batman have had their encounters, so have Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne."

"animal rights activist" case is bit stong so maybe don't give that out in the movie other that Selina Kyle TAS version is perfect.

[antmanx68]

I agree, i could do without the "activist part" But yea thats basically how i'd have her be in the sequel.

[antmanx68]

RAS = head
AL GHUL = the Demon

Talia's last name is not head.

In Hush she is called Talia Head, it kind of bothered the heck out of me for a couple different reasons.

[Timstuff]

If Selina has an agenda, it should be to hel Gotham's poor people, since when she was young she had to become a thief just to survive. The animal rights activist angle is just a bit too silly for me. She should definately have a thing for cats though, which is why she mods her costume and equipment with a cat motif and takes up the name.

Since Selina is wealthy and many people know her, I think she would have used her resources to cover up her background in the slums. The story that she writes for herself could be that she inherited her money from a dead relative in Europe, and that she's returned to Gotham after roaming abroad. Her troubled teenage years as thief would be one of her little secrets, as would her struggle to support her kid sister Maggie. Most people would think she's just another wealthy socialite who throws money at charitable foundations to get out of paying taxes and likes parties, however that's about all that most people know about her. She should be an enigma, and as we all know Batman can't resist trying to solve a good mystery, which is part of why he'd probably be attracted to her. Also, the two of them would probably subconciousely sense eachother's duality, but not actually find out how similar they are until later.

[Alfie Luke]

* sniff * Timstuff... you seem so... passionate about this!

... good times, good times.

BTW, should Catwoman have ennemies of her own or should she face the same villains as Batman? ( I'm sure she has her OWN foes, right? )

[Babs Gordon]

after watching the aeon flux trailer i'm more convinced that charlize theoron could be good behind the goggles. that is... if they'd ever use someone that high profile for the role.