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The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 09:03 AM
The Official Writing Help Thread

Welcome. This thread is about anyone and everyone who wants to be a writer and doesn't know where to start. Also, veterans can come here to learn a thing or two and help others.

What to write?
The first thing you want to do is decide what you want to write about. Prehaps you want to write a dark film noir like Sin City. Prehaps you want to write about a fun or funny story such as Donald Duck. Or maybe you want to addapt a movie. The sky's the limit.

Format
Now that you have your topic you have to decide how you want to write it.

Screenplay
This is copied off an article that will help you as it helped me.


Below is a short and concise - but hopefully useful outline on how to write a script. It is by no means comprehensive and is a mish mash of various teachers' and theorists' ideas and work. See this as a simple crash course. Hope it helps. Here we go.

Writing a script (especially a feature length one) is not as easy as many seem to believe it is. Compared to the novel or traditional prose, the script is a unique animal. Ultimately most see a script as not a thing in itself but rather like an architect's plan for a building. In the same way that a building's plans are not the building itself - the script is ultimately an aspiration towards making a film. However increasingly scriptwriting is being considered by some as an art unto itself and one that is often read and appreciated regardless of whether it is produced or not.

There are a considerable amount of rules and conventions you are expected to follow when writing a script. Some are annoying and some are downright stupid. But if you want to have your script read you should try and follow as many of these conventions as possible. Script readers, commissioning editors and producers who have an intimidating pile of scripts on their desk tend to first throw "unconventionally" formatted and styled scripts straight into the dustbin without even reading them. To them this is a time saving way of weeding out the amateurs from the professionals or serious writers. Never make it obvious you're new to the game - even if you are.

Many of these conventions are largely based on Classic Hollywood Realism - the style of the vast majority of American films. But even if your script is to be the ultimate surreal, Dadaist, art-house experience, conventional wisdom tell us that it's nevertheless useful to learn these "rules" anyway. The logic is that you've got to know the rules before you can subvert them.


THE PLOT

The first thing to do is to work out what your script is going to be about. This is your business so figure it out yourself. (Although bear in mind what is written below because it does impact in the type or idea you will want to develop). Then you need to create a plot - i.e. basically what happens in your story and in what order.

The traditional Hollywood script plot structure is often called the three-act structure. Another way of looking at it is what I call the "balance-imbalance-balance" concept. These concepts work pretty much the same - focusing primarily on a central character. The Balance/Imbalance/Balance structure works in the following way. (We'll call our central character "X").

1 - Balance: This is the initial state of your main character: X is a content dog trainer living with her dog Shoop. She avoids men because of previous affairs gone sour.

2 - Imbalance: A challenge or obstacle is foisted onto our hero which she undertakes to do something about. This changes her life: Shoop is stolen by a rival dog training company. Lonely and her spirits low, X spends her time searching for Shoop. She begins to lose customers as a result. Along the way she meets a helpful, sensitive policeman with buns of steel who embarks on the dog searching journey with her. Eventually she and Mr Buns of Steel track down Shoop and rescue the canine.

3 - Balance: Things are restored back to order but with something gained: Having rescued the dog, X returns to her life of contented dog training now with the addition of a well hung policeman in her bed. She has also overcome her fear of taking romantic risks. Together with the help of her beau her business has taken off like never before. Our hero has learnt something and gained from the experience. In other words she has developed.


The most dramatic elements occur in the "imbalance" section. The challenge and what our hero does to overcome it is the "meat on the bones" of our story.

If I were to ask what X's primary challenge is, you might say that it is to find her dog. I might disagree and say that her primary goal is actually to overcome her loneliness and fear of men. In this way scripts can have different levels of meaning.

X's story could be a comedy, a serious drama and even a feminist comment on the way women are expected to conform to patriarchal society in which life without a man is seen as meaningless. It's your choice.

Now how does the plot become a script? Follow the easy steps below.

STEP ONE
Clearly write out your concept in a couple of lines: eg: "This movie is about "X, a happy dog trainer whose life is thrown into disarray when her faithful doggy companion Shoop is abducted by a rival dog training company." This sets out what your story is about as well as who your primary characters are. You should also try and figure out if this will be a comedy, a drama or horror story. This is called the "genre" of the film. (Producers need to know this or they get very confused.) However today we see more and more mixing of genres in the same film. No dialogue should be added until STEP SEVEN

STEP TWO
Write a paragraph outlining the story in a little more detail - this time adding in a few more characters and important events. Get a stronger feeling for how the thing will play out. We find out X has actually been rather lonely, we learn that there's a hot policeman in there too and there's a climatic shootout towards the end when Shoop is rescued. One could call this paragraph a short synopsis of your story.

STEP THREE
Write a longer outline of your plot. Depending on you, this can be anything from two to twenty pages. (You can also break this step into more steps and write increasingly longer outlines before proceeding to Step Four.). This pretty much establishes the basics of your plot and many of the twists and turns that may take place. Some also call this the "beats" of your script. You can add in stuff about the bad guys, who they are and their motivation for their actions.

STEP FOUR
Take your long outline and begin to break it up into one-or-two line paragraphs. Each paragraph should be a particular unique event. Eg:

What once was:

"X is woken up in the morning by Shoop's long tongue in her face. Later X drives to her dog-training school with Shoop panting in the back."

Becomes:

Paragraph one: X is woken up in the morning by Shoop's long tongue licking her face.

Paragraph two. X drives to her dog training school with Shoop panting in the back.


STEP FIVE
Fill in more paragraphs to make the story flow well and add any other paragraphs needed to fill out the story and expand elements that need it. The paragraphs should include more detailed actions on how things happen.

STEP SIX
Turn these paragraphs into scenes. The concept of a scene is very difficult to explain and almost needs to be intuitively understood. I've never seen an adequate explanation or definition to-date. It helps a great deal to read as many scripts as possible to get a feeling for this. Nevertheless, roughly, a scene is an event that happens in a unique place and time. E.g. The paragraph description:

Paragraph Sixty Five X arrives at the factory and after looking around discovers Shoop's dog leash in the bathroom.


Could be broken down into:

EXT. ABANDONED FACTORY. DAY X looks up at the front of the abandoned factory. A sign atop reads "NUWARE TILES". X walks up to the front door and opens it.

INT. ABANDONED FACTORY FLOOR. DAY Walking through the dark factory building it becomes clear that there is no-one here anymore. Rubble and trash are strewn all over the floor.

INT. ABANDONED FACTORY TOILET. DAY X opens the door to a filthy toilet and looks in. About to walk away she sees something. A dog's leash. Bending down she picks it up and realises that it is Shoop's leash.


INT/EXT: This refers to the location of the scene. If it is inside it is INT (for interior); if it is set outside it is EXT (for exterior). This should be followed by the location e.g. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE.

DAY/NIGHT: This refers to wether the scene occurs in the day or night. This follows the location.

STEP SEVEN
Start filling in dialogue as well as more detail under each scene. You should have a first draft completed by the end of this process.

STEP EIGHT, NINE, TEN, ELEVEN etc... There's a corny but valuable saying about writing that goes: "Writing is not about writing - but about re-writing". The first draft will almost always be ****. It's in the refining, re-writing, re-plotting and fine-tuning that great scripts get made. Congratulations - you've written a script! Now wasn't that fun?


OTHER HANDY HINTS

Format
In order to gauge more or less how long a film a script will make (very useful for producers), there are certain standards in formatting. Avoid these at your own risk. Americans especially are very rigid about this. These standards allow us to measure a script's length by saying that: "a page of script equals roughly a minute of screen time". This is a very rough guide (often action films scripts are short but take longer on screen than a dialogue based script) and not to be completely trusted.

Font
You should use Courier (or New Courier) Size 12. This is a fixed-width font, which many believe makes it easier to read. You'll be surprised how picky some readers are about this.

Length
Should fall between 90 to 120 pages. Anything longer and your chances of being read begin to diminish. Dumb huh?

Numbering
Avoid numbering scenes unless it is a shooting script which will only be seen by yourself or when actually shootingthe film. Script readers don't like them.

Layout
A script layout should look something like this. Some will demand exact measured layouts but few are very sticky about exact distances from margins etc. (Note that it is difficult to display exact layouts on web browsers - this is only a rough guide.)

INT. WAREHOUSE. DAY
Fred walks up to the fiendish looking man in the suit. The fiend holds a dog collar in his hand. Fred aims the gun at the man.

FRED
Where is he?

THE MAN
Where is who?

FRED
The place is surrounded. If you
don't give me the dog, we'll take
him the hard way. Your choice.

Dialogue
This one is a toughie. It's very hard to teach dialogue. One has to develop an ear for the way people really speak and not how we think they speak. Listen to people from various backgrounds and in various situations talk as often as you can. You'll probably notice that people are not very eloquent in general. They don't express themselves very well vocally and a great deal of what is NOT said is just as important (often more so) than what is said. Bring these thoughts to your scriptwriting process. And again read lots of scripts and watch many films to become more sensitive to dialogue.

An important thing to remember is that scripts are the basis of the visual medium of film. An old adage is: never say what you can show instead. In other words if a character is angry don't have her say "I'm angry!", show it to us. E.g. have her smash a window with a chair instead.

Characters
There is almost always a central character in a Hollywood movie. That is because Hollywood films work on the basis of the audience being able to identify with a character and his or her experiences. More than one central character tends to confuse the viewers (at least according to many studio execs).

Characters are expected to be three dimensional and rounded. By that it is meant that we should get a sense of their history and how it has affected them as well as understanding why they do what they do (usually called Motivation). (E.g. X avoids men because of a previous heartbreaking episode). This is based on the idea that we do things for knowable reasons. Modern psychology came up with this somewhat naďve notion. However we rarely actually have access to the full reasons why we, others (or ourselves) do what we do. Nevertheless Hollywood believes otherwise.

This convention often leads to some awfully contrived scenes in which characters reveal really corny back-stories and traumatic past events. This is also called "exposition" and is very difficult to write without being obvious or corny. Exposition should happen organically and without the audience realising it. Some filmmakers such as David Cronenberg don't allow us to get close to their characters and we rarely know why they do things except for the obvious. Unlike in most Hollywood films we are not participants in Cronenberg's films - but voyeurs watching the action from the outside.

Nevertheless it often helps to create back-stories for your characters. These are basically histories for your characters - their life experiences, social and economic background etc. This doesn't have to all be obviously present in the script but helps to craft more real characters.

Part of having a three dimensional character is that we see him or her develop across the course of the script. They should change in front of our very eyes. Again remember these are all conventions for a conventional style of film.

Camera Directions
It's usually not appreciated that you include camera movements in your scripts. There are ways of getting around this in sticky situations. Sometimes it can't be avoided. Tarantino's scripts on the other hand are full of camera directions. If the script is going to be pitched to outside producers and script-readers try and avoid it. If you are going to direct the thing yourself than go ahead and put them in.

The most useful advice I can give however is to read as many scripts you can lay your hands on - either on the Internet or at your local bookstore.

The author of this article is filmmaker Luiz De Barros.
Luiz runs the prestigious South African Independent Film Site.

Novel
The best way to learn how to write a novel is simply to read one. Look at the style, the format, the dialouge. Just read and learn.

The Comic Book

Ok. This is how a comic book is written. There are two ways. Page by page or plot.

Page by Page

This is how most comic books are written.

Here's how the page is set up.




Page
This is where the number of the page goes.

Panel
This is where the number of the panel. Panels are the boxes that pictures are in.

Description
What happens in the panel, the setting, the characters, the camera.

Dialouge
The dialouge is the words that your characters say. This is how they are set up.

BOB1: Is this a good idea?
FRANK1: Of course Bobby. Why?
BOB2: It's just that-

Caption
This is the the boxes that are either the narriration or now are used as the character's thoughts. They are set up like the dialouge.


Characters
If you are writing for a character or characters that you created it's advisable that you now write a short description of the character. Include simple things such as appearance, clothing etc.

Plot
Now you should write the main plot of the story. Write maybe one or two pages on just how the story proggresses. Include plot twists and developments.

Time to Start!
Well you've got everything. Now you just have to write it. And don't worry you will probably go through many drafts of the story, everyone does. Also I find it hardest to write the beggining, so after I'm satisfied with it I can move on to the story.


Final Words
I want to thank you for reading this and if you have anymore questions about anything, feel free to ask.

-Good Luck.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:02 AM
Hey this is pretty cool man. Might I make a sugestion, though?

How about we, if you guys are up to it, have like class sessions? I mean like, a think tank. We could set a date for it, maybe it'll last an hour or two, and we could take turns asking questions and sharing opinions, much like the guys at fmwriters.com do.

It's just a thought. Also, we can also just come and hang out, talk about projects or concepts we're working on.

The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 12:04 PM
I like that idea. I'll take it into mind.

The Demon's Head
07-26-2005, 12:06 PM
Thank you for making the thread, Spider-Bat. :up:

The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 12:10 PM
You're welcome. Hopefuly it might be stickied! :D

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 09:05 PM
Hey, I just wrote the first five pages of my comedy. Oh wait...no one cares. Oh, well...I guess I'll just go play.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 09:15 PM
Hey, I just wrote the first five pages of my comedy. Oh wait...no one cares. Oh, well...I guess I'll just go play.

I care. post the damn thing. I'm partial to good dark comedies, though. I wrote one and won two awards for it.

The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 09:15 PM
I care. post the damn thing. I'm partial to good dark comedies, though. I wrote one and won two awards for it.

You can win awards on the hype?

JLBats
07-26-2005, 09:19 PM
You can win awards on the hype?

Not on the hype, it was a provincial award for excellence or something.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 09:22 PM
It's on my hollywood screenwriter thingy, I'll try. You guys are witnesses that this is my story, and it's copywrited. Be back in a flash.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 09:24 PM
Here it is. It's the first draft so it may suck...

FADE IN:

INT. RESTAURANT - NIGHT

FADE INTO an upscale and very elegant restaurant. Waiters and staff scurry around with serving trays and such to serve the various patrons that pepper the establishment.

We then focus on one couple in particular, a young man and a young woman. They seem to be very young, maybe in their early twenties at the most.

The young man is LUKE, 22, he's smart, confident, and basically your average kind of guy. The young woman is VERONICA, 21, beautiful, smart, and confident. She's the apple of Luke's eye.

LUKE
So, how's this for our 3rd anniversary? I think I did pretty good, if I must say so myself.

VERONICA
It's great. But how are you gonna pay for it?

LUKE
I think I'm not going to. Just slip away to use the bathroom, and sneak my way out. Then, you could do the same thing, and meet me outside at the car. What do you say?

VERONICA
Sure, we do that anyways.

LUKE
(raised eyebrow)
We do?

Veronica smiles.

LUKE
I think I want this night to be special. There's something I wanna tell you. Uhm-
(takes a sip of wine)
-all my life I've always...looked for that perfect someone, perferably a female, I could share a connection with. A companion, someone I could be with and never want to leave.

VERONICA
Luke, if you wanted to get into my pants tonight, all you have to do is buy more wine...

LUKE
No, it's not that. Well, I wouldn't mind...but, that's not what I'm trying to do. Okay, where was I...
(thinking)
You are that companion. That someone, I don't want to leave, the person I've looked my whole life to find and...uhm...there's something I want to ask of you...

VERONICA
You want oral, is that it?

LUKE
Huh?

VERONICA
Well, I mean, we have been dating since freshman year and-

LUKE
-No! I don't, well...look that's not what I'm trying to get at here.

VERONICA
Does it envolve any kind of sex?

LUKE
I don't know.

VERONICA
Then what the hell do you want?

LUKE
Will you let me finish, please?

Veronica leans back in her chair as if telling him to proceed with what he's talking about.

LUKE
What I'm trying to say is-

A WAITER walks up to the table with a phone.

WAITER
-Sir, a Mr. Thompson?

With a sigh, Luke takes the phone from the waiter, who walks off.

LUKE
(into the phone)
What?

ERIC (filtered)
Hey man, can you bring home some whipped cream and a few scented candals?

LUKE
Eric, I'm kind of in the middle something here?

ERIC (filtered)
Well, I mean the freaking store is like on the way home, the least you could do is stop by and get a few things...

LUKE
Eric, I'm about to -you know with, Veronica...

ERIC (filtered)
(confused)
What in the restaurant?

LUKE
Well, it's what had in mind.

ERIC (filtered)
Okay, whatever. Just don't forget the whipped cream and scented candles, okay.

LUKE
What do you want that for? Hello? Hello? Eric? He hung up on me!

VERONICA
So what we're you going to say?

Luke exhales sharply and takes a longer sip of wine.

LUKE
Okay, here it goes. Veronica, will you-

A cellphone rings.

VERONICA
Oh shoot, let me get that.
(She answers her cell)
Hello? Oh, hi daddy. Yeah, I'm fine. Just eating dinner. Really? That's great! What does mom think?

Luke looks around the room, impatiently.

VERONICA
I'd love to come down and celebrate! Yeah, that'd be great.
(she notices Luke)
Hey, I hate to talk so short, but I'm going to have to let you go, okay? Okay. I love you, too. All right, Bye.

Veronica hangs up the phone.

VERONICA
What's your problem? Do you know how often it is that I get to talk to my father?

LUKE
I'm sorry, babe, but I think this is a little more important...

VERONICA
Okay, what is that's so important?

Luke drinks the last of his wine. Exhales more sharply, and shakes his head, wildly. He claps his hands togther, as if getting his head in order, then looks up and smiles at a bewildered Veronica.

LUKE
Okay, here it goes. Veronica, will you-

Her cellphone rings, yet again. Veronica scoffs as she looks down at her cellphone's caller i.d. Luke, has had it. He snatches the cell phone and throws it into the champagne bucket.

LUKE
-Will you marry me!

Veronica stands their, mouth agape. The cellphone still rings. She doesn't know what to think or what to say.

Luke pulls out a small jewelry box and opens it. Inside lies a stunning, diamond engagement ring. Veronica melts, once her eyes fall upon it. She looks up at a desparete Luke, who wears a smile. Veronica smiles, too.

She looks up at Luke, her eyes are starting to well up.

VERONICA
Yes.

LUKE
Oh, thank god.

Luke takes the ring out and gets onto one knee in front Veronica. He takes her and places the ring onto her finger. She pulls his head in for a passionate kiss. They pull away. Suddenly, there's an appluase.

Luke and Veronica turn to find the whole establishment has watched the entire scene. With an half embarassed, half joyful expression, they both smile and kiss each other once more.

SOFT ROCK music starts to play. The we...

CUT TO:

A BLACK SCREEN

SUPERIMPOSE: THE WEDDING in white letters, that fades into the shot, as the music continues to play. Then, as the final opening credits roll, we...

FADE IN:

EXT. APARTMENT - HALLWAY - NIGHT

Luke wearily walks towards the apartment, a grocery bag in hand. His tux is in disarray. He walks up to the door, there are noises coming from with. Music blaring, laughing. The usual. Luke rolls his eyes and knocks on the door, hard.

The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 09:28 PM
I like it a lot. It's very funny so far. I could see it as a movie. GREAT JOB MAN!

JLBats
07-26-2005, 09:30 PM
Pretty good, but you need to cut exposition down a little. The first bits of dialogue, where he talks about sneaking away? Might try cutting it down. It seems a little forced right now. I like that you aren't using a set-up-punchline system and the humor basically comes from character, but some of it gets a little murky and one liner. Overall, 8/10 so far. Pretty damn good.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 09:31 PM
Also, when he proposes, it doesn't mean enough to us. Maybe don't start at the restaurant. Or maybe do some cut-aways to their past relationship.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 09:34 PM
I'm slow, explain.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 09:36 PM
I'm slow, explain.

When it begins, we don't know the characters. It's too quick. Add a nice slow build up, with him buying the ring, etc. It gives a nice dramatic irony when we know and she doesn't. And to make us feel for the characters, maybe throw in a cutaway to when they first met, something like a quick cut of 9th grade and him snapping her bra strap in gym class or what not.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 09:39 PM
I agree. That's what I had in mind. And when she says "freshman year" she refering to college. Their in their twenties. Thanks for the advice.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 10:02 PM
If he suggests, however, that they were in high school when they met, we get a little more depth to the relationship, and perhaps a scene somewhat like this:

VERONICA
Do you remember the first time we met?

INT. HIGH SCHOOL GYM CLASS-FLASHBACK

Young Luke snaps Young Veronica's bra strap, showing through her thin gym shirt. She gasps in horror, falls to the ground in agony. Luke points and laughs.

INT. RESTAURANT-PRESENT

LUKE
...I have a vague recollection...

The Spider-Bat
07-26-2005, 10:03 PM
That's a good one. Although it does give the R rating.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:24 PM
It was going to be R anyway. You mind if I use that?

Anyways, hers's what I kind of got going.

We meet Luke, Eric, and Kyle (you'll meet him later) in the first grade where Luke meets them at the same time we do.

-fast forward-

They are in highschool. We see that Luke has just broken up with his girlfriend, she broke his heart. Then he meets Veronica. I think I might change it to where Eric does that to her, and Luke shields her from view or something and helps her out. Through the story Eric and Veronica hate each other. We akso see Luke and Veronica's relationship blossom.

-fast forward-

Were at the Post-College stage of their lives (i.e. present day)

We seem him buy the ring and tell Eric about it. Eric's happy for him. ( I know it's weird because he hates her, but, he's really grown up. Okay, he's grown up a little bit.) Also Eric and Kyle are like gigalos, they go from girl to girl, night after night. They don't work.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 10:25 PM
Sounds cool, you can definitely use it. I just love it when characters meet under awful circumstances.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:32 PM
Okay, I'm gonna work on it somemore. I know this sounds kind of dumb, but by cut the exposistion what do you mean. Am I putting to much info in it? And also, what would you suggest: Doing in the order of the outline above, as a flashback, like you stated I'm open to both ideas. Oh and anyone fell free to put in some criticism and insight, thanks so far, Spider Bat and JL.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 10:39 PM
Okay, I'm gonna work on it somemore. I know this sounds kind of dumb, but by cut the exposistion what do you mean. Am I putting to much info in it? And also, what would you suggest: Doing in the order of the outline above, as a flashback, like you stated I'm open to both ideas. Oh and anyone fell free to put in some criticism and insight, thanks so far, Spider Bat and JL.

In the beginning, it isn't even that it's expositiony. But it seems like it. You need to integrate the comments about sneaking away without paying into the dialogue a bit better. And I recommend you do it as a quick flashback in the restaurant scene. It'll add some spice and break up the scene nicely. Maybe he did it, and not Eric, but he did it because Eric dared him. Maybe we find that out later. You could tie that quick flashback into more flashbacks later, explaining the interpersonal relationships. Just some thoughts.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:49 PM
Also, how's the dialouge? I think it's the best I've written. What do you guys think?

Hey thanks for the insight, I'll try and do that.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:49 PM
Also, how's the dialouge? I think it's the best I've written. What do you guys think?

Hey thanks for the insight, I'll try and do that.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 10:52 PM
Also, how's the dialouge? I think it's the best I've written. What do you guys think?

Hey thanks for the insight, I'll try and do that.

The dialogue, except the lines about skipping out on the cheque which needs to be rewritten to sound a bit more naturalistic, is pretty damn good. You have pretty good flow, I just think you need something to spice up the long scene, keep the story kinetic, flowing. That's what I think a little flashback would do. Otherwise, wow, damn good.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 10:59 PM
Thanks. Say...you think I have potential...you know...hollywood. Don't get me wrong, I like to go indy a little too.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:02 PM
Thanks. Say...you think I have potential...you know...hollywood. Don't get me wrong, I like to go indy a little too.

Honestly, none of us will ever make it in Hollywood without severely dumbing ourselves down and making movies that have no appeal to ourselves. Go indy. Indy is more respectable, smarter, and just better.

But, dumb all your work down and make it real set-up punchline type humor with no substance and weak characters... you got a Hollywood hit:up:

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:05 PM
Indy Here I Come!

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:06 PM
A wise choice. And if it makes a splash a Hollywood studio might wake up and purchase it off you.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:07 PM
Oh, and can I recommend, if you have people acting in this... have them play it fairly straight. If they punch it up too much you've got a sitcom on your hands.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:16 PM
Thanx for the advise. Hey I never told you guys the plot. ( IT'S COPYWRITED!!!) Okay, I have nothing to fear, I have witnesses.

here it is.

Luke has been deeply in love with his girlfriend, Veronica. Feeling that she's the women he wants to spend the rest of his life with, Luke decides to propose to her. She agrees to get married and they begin to make preperations. After telling his friends, Eric and Kyle, about the good news. Kyle decides to throw a bachelor party, the same night Veronica's sisters are due to come and visit/ meet Luke at his apartment. Choas ensues, when Veronica finds Luke in a compromising situation with a striper. She walks out and leaves the next day, to go back to her parent's house with her sisters. Desperate to salvage the wedding and most importantly, the relationship, Luke and his friend embark on a journey to set things right. Will Luke and Veronica be together once more? Will he when her heart back? Or will all his efforts be completely wasted?

That's what I had in mind. What do you guys think?

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:20 PM
It sounds decent, but it's one of those ideas that could end up stupid flick no one will see, or Annie Hall style masterpeace. It'll come down to the execution. Don't make it dumb. That's one of the problems you see with comedy today, the writer's think comedy=dumb. Make it have layers, subplots, great characters, humour that actually comes from character and not one-liners.

It'll all come down to the execution.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:24 PM
Ah. So doing it Kevin Smith style is out of the question?




Just kidding. BTW, for you who have no clue who that is, buy clerks, mallrats, chasing amy, dogma (wait, don't), and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Don't go anywhere near Jersey Girl!

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Who's Annie Hall?

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:26 PM
Who's Annie Hall?

It was a comedy in the seventies, excellent movie, my sig is a quote from it. And Kevin Smith does some smart things in his movies. Do it in your own style. Just remember, all in the execution.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:27 PM
It sounds decent, but it's one of those ideas that could end up stupid flick no one will see, or Annie Hall style masterpeace. It'll come down to the execution. Don't make it dumb. That's one of the problems you see with comedy today, the writer's think comedy=dumb. Make it have layers, subplots, great characters, humour that actually comes from character and not one-liners.

It'll all come down to the execution.


Think American Wedding meets The Bachelor Party meets Wedding Crashers meets Slackers. (it'll be better.)

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:31 PM
Think American Wedding meets The Bachelor Party meets Wedding Crashers meets Slackers. (it'll be better.)

I don't know, when I see those movies... sometimes it's like they don't want you to be stimulated by them. Please put some layers and intelligence in for the higher IQ viewers. It'll have a broader appeal and be better for it.

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:35 PM
Oh, yeah. I'm gonna make it a smart mixture of these. Don't worry, I've invested a lot of time with these characters and the plot to not make them sterotypical and retarded.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:44 PM
Oh, yeah. I'm gonna make it a smart mixture of these. Don't worry, I've invested a lot of time with these characters and the plot to not make them sterotypical and retarded.

:up: :up: :up:

My idea:

I'm making a mockumentary about teenage life. The problems follow a similar pattern to Seinfeld. Very meager things get blown out of porportion. The whole show is inspired by my own troubles and the way I noticed teens today are basically cynical, apathetic and completely irresponsible. I have two characters who are archetypes of an intellectual teen and also based on different philosophical archetypes. One, Doggie Moore, is the Nietzche archetype. A negative, cynical, intelligent and cultured child. He's been so surrounded by bull**** all his life that he can't take it. He's jaded, and he doesn't hide the fact. At the same time, he is incredibly well cultured and smart. He is just frustrated that most teens aren't like him. The other intellectual is Becky, a Socrates archetype. She is hopeful, cheery, giving. She loves life, but she is just as smart and cultured as Doggie. The difference is, she doesn't have his hopeless apathy. She is more a child of the radical sixties. The other three main characters are more pop cultural archetypes. Mac is the typical Brit mod rocker. The only thing that keeps his life from being perfect is his listless worrying about karma. The next is B.B., a totally self involved ***** who only really cares about herself and her dad's awful coffee shop business. Finally, there's Joe. Joe is based on a typical Aspergers syndrome child. He swings about topics wildly and is always one step behind others in thinking. He is caring, but at the same time he is insane to Rain Man porportions.

What does everyone think?

DC/MARVEL
07-26-2005, 11:47 PM
:up: :up: :up:

Awesome as well man. I like Doggie, he seems cool. The other characters do aswell. I'd like to see excerpt of it too, I liked Seinfield, so...

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:49 PM
:up: :up: :up:

Awesome as well man. I like Doggie, he seems cool. The other characters do aswell. I'd like to see excerpt of it too, I liked Seinfield, so...

I only have a few scripts complete, going through editing right now. The first one I ever made involved them finding a bag after gym practice and not knowing what to do with it. Seems simple, but... the plot thickens eventually. I'll admit, it occasionally takes steps into the surreal.

JLBats
07-26-2005, 11:56 PM
If you ideas for stories, they'd always be appreciated. I have one that I'm doing right now about a really crappy and badly done roadtrip. Basically, no booze, no partying, no fun whatsoever. They go stay in a hotel, and then they watch some tv. Should be fun. It's basically a spoof of the movie I Wanna Hold Your Hand.

DC/MARVEL
07-27-2005, 12:06 AM
Cool.

JLBats
07-27-2005, 12:25 AM
If anybody has suggestions or story ideas, more than open to 'em.

Elektra_Kirigi
07-27-2005, 06:18 PM
This was my idea for the start of an ELEKTRA origin triolgy.

ELEKTRA ASSASSIN (1)
We open with Elektra starting college. She is a political science major. She meets Matt Murdock, and Foggy Nelsonn as she is getting a tour of the campus. Matt asks her out, and after being rejected, he decides he won't give up so he amazes her, and asks her again. One year passes, and on Elektra's 20th birthday, she and her father are being held up in the Admistration Building of Columbia. Matt is supose to meet Elektra here, so when he sees what is going on he goes to help. The scene plays out exactly like in the comics. (Act 1 is based off of Daredevil 168 when she is introduced and Elektra Minus 1, where we see that Matt and Elektra are told by Stick to stay away from each other.) Elektra leaves Matt to go back to Greece, and figure out her life.
Act 2
Another year passes and Elektra is training to hopfully work for the Order of the Hand. She passes with amazing scores, and Roshi accepts her aplication. She goes to work for them as an assassin. 2 years later she is given the assignment of CAPTURING (remember capturing) Dennis O'Calihan, an associate of Stone's (Stick is mentioned as his patner), if Stone is there, then he must be brought in too. She is told that she must complete this task with his son & right hand man Kirigi, and Typhoid Mary (This is a more realistic version of her, she kisses her victims, and in the prosess of kissing them, she ultimatly kiss them -- stab, shoot, etc). They head to London, England where the meeting between the two is to take place (Tower Bridge). Typhoid keeps track of him O'Calihan calls Stone and tells him that the date is moved up tomorrow night, and to Kings Cross Typhoid is spotted without knowing it. O'Calihan calls Stone and tells him it is still tomorrow but with take place at the Tower Bridge. Typhoid briefs Kirigi and Elektra about it, but Elektra is told to go to the Tower Bridge just in case. Elektra goes, and O'Calihan, and Stone arrive. She KILLS O'Calihan after hearing the information needed. Stone gets away. Back in Tokyo, Elektra is debriefed, and is completly killed with the board. This scene is very much like the one between Sydney and Director Chase in Alias 4x1. At the end like in Alias, Elektra quits.
Act 3
Elektra goes back to New York to see Matt. She talks to him, and their relationship picks back up, 1 year later, they come for Elektra. Elektra has moved in with Matt, and he has proposed, when she start seeing Kirigi and Typhoid all over the place. They taunt her, sending her notes, and calling her. Finally, she comes home with Matt one night, and the house seems all too quiet. Elektra puts her things in the bedroom, and comes out looking for Matt but instead, she finds him with a knife to his throat, and Typhoid holding it. Kirigi is sitting in a chair next to Matt. He greets her, and matt asks what is going on, Kirigi tells Matt about Elektra's skeletons, and we found out she didn't tell him everything. Matt is upset with her. Typhoid kisses Matt, and is ready to stab him, when Elektra jumps and gets her out of the way. Kirigi sits and watches. Matt is knocked out in the corner. Typhoid and Elektra battle it out, and Elektra is barely alive with Kirigi comes, and slices her stomach. Then he picks her up, like in the comics and kills her. We cut to: 2 hours later, Matt wakes up and sees Elektra, an ambulace comes and takes her. She is dead. A day later, a rade (spelling) falls over the hospital where is is being held, andStick ressustes her. The last words are from stick to Elektra "I am doing this for one reason,... I need your help."
TO BE CONTINUED.

I wrote a bit of a treatment already (it was like a first draft) but I had decided then that it would be one movie but I have decided to break it up. I will post part if you want?

The Spider-Bat
07-27-2005, 06:19 PM
BATMAN

THE LAST LAUGH

ISSUE GUIDE




ISSUE 1



ACT 1
We start out on the first page as a news report about The Joker kidnapping a young boy. The police have no information at all. The young boy is called James Lindsay. He was kidnapped from his bed three hours prior to the report.

After that we zoom out to see we are actually in the apartment of one of the Joker’s old thugs. His name is Alex. Suddenly Alex feels a breeze. He looks at his window. It’s open, and he didn’t do that. Alex is scared for a second. He grabs a gun of the nightstand and puts it in his pockets. He slowly goes to the window. He puts one of his hands on the gun and the other on the window to close it. A cable grabs his hand. Alex cries for help. He is pulled outside and up. We see a black panel.

Alex wakes up. He screams! He’s being held by a black figure. The Batman. He looks down. The cars look like toys. He screams again. Batman pulls him in closer. He tells him something threatening. He then throws him off the roof. Alex screams but a cable catches his foot. He is pulled up. Batman grabs him by his hair and reels him in. He interrogates him about where The Joker would hide young James. Every time he doesn’t corporate Batman drops him until he’s inches from the pavement. He then brings him up and continues the interrogation. Alex eventually tells Batman that Joker probably has James in an old apartment that he used to hide drugs in. Alex closes his eyes and begs to be let go. He falls on the roof and looks around. Batman’s gone.



ACT 2



The Joker sits on a chair smoking a cigarette. He thinks about his life. We catch a quick glimpse of him as the Red Hood. He looks angry, and yet, happy. He remembers falling into the acid. He then hears crying. He throws the cigarette on the floor and steps on it. He proceeds on to a door. We now see the apartment. It’s made of wood entirely and it’s empty save for a table and a chair. The Joker walks in the door. James hangs by chains on the wall. He’s almost naked except for a pair of boxers. The Joker sees him crying. He laughs. His demented mind enjoys every second of it. He approaches a surgical table next to poor James. He grabs a knife off it. “I think the doctor’s ready to begin kid” he chuckles.
We see the Batmobile tearing through the streets of Gotham. Batman is driving at full speed almost hitting the other cars. He parks in front of the apartment building. Batman gets out of the car and uses his grappling cable to get into a window. He’s in the apartment. He hears screaming coming through the door. Batman rushes and breaks in. The Joker is just about to begin. The two fight. Batman doesn’t pull his punches! The Joker falls down easily. Batman frees the kid.




ACT 3


Through the rest of the issue were in Arkham Asylum. We go through the Joker’s regular day. It should be pretty long. We finally end up in The Joker’s cell where he has a flashback: He remembers torturing Jason Todd, the second Robin. He then remembers asking him to tell him who Batman is, and threatening to kill his already wounded mom. Jason tells him. And we end the issue with The Joker laughing.[/center]

JLBats
07-27-2005, 06:23 PM
Wow, some great ideas here. I'll go through them and offer suggestions if I get a chance.

Pioline
07-27-2005, 07:01 PM
Cool idea except I did it before and it didn't get many replys but who cares.

Good that this one has.:up:

The Phantom
07-28-2005, 12:35 AM
Here's a little Gathering of Ideas for a story I'm developing. I'm no where near done, but this is what I got so far.





LYCAN
(Werewolves in Space!)

Premises

a) Paul G. Toole was a miner for Sectora Corp. He was a resident of the Zedra Quadrant. He had a family, but his daughter died in a freak accident, while the two were stargazing on a space walk. After that, Paul's relationship with his wife grew stale. With their thread of connection now gone, she left and got remarried to a pilot of a starliner. Paul never recovered. And then he found God, the most unlikely of people he thought he'd ever meet. He began to contemplate a change in careers. Maybe spend his time serving this new church that he now attended. And then when everything seemed to fall into place, a new offer came from Sectora Corp. Paul agreed to take it as his last job before moving on with his life.

b) Sectora Issue Product: Probe Hopper 7545X91 comes across an interesting object. It is the size of a planet. And shares many of the characteristics of a planet. Yet it is not organic. It is entirely machine made. The metals are mixture of hues. Blues and grays and dark shadows. Steel cold blue. Probe Hopper takes a couple of orbital pictures, and then sends off a probe to the planet. But just before it begins its departure from the strange planet, a slithery, venomous ray of darkmatter shoots from the core of the planet and ensnares the probe hopper and pulls back to the planet. Despite it's struggle, the probe hopper can't fight off the pull of darkmatter, and descends back to the surface of this alien planet, where it knows its chances of surviving a crash are nil to none. So as a desparate measure, it immedately sends off the files of the pics it has taken back to Sectora Corp. capitol suite on the planet Turgis of the Zedra Quadrant. The boardroom of officials of the corporation hold a meeting upon receiving this photos of this planet.They're the only mining company with the knowledge of such a planet, and they intend to take advantage of the financial possibilities. The decision is made to send off a sweep team to go to the planet and retrieve as much data as they can before an actual mining project can be setup upon the planet.

Characters

Mr. Ned - lead scientist of R&D, the maverick geezer.

Dr. Carrie Estavado - Sectora Corp. psychiatrist and anthropologist, dreamer.

Paul G. Toole - Sectora Corp. lead miner, holy man.

Lance Ford - Sectora Corp. miner, the mediator.

Frank Drake - Sectora Corp. miner, the old friend.

Destin McNamara - Sweep team leader, *******.

Yori Kowalski - Sweep team commando, obnoxious risk taker.

Gordy Monroe - Sweep team commando, thinker.

Vicky Tamahori - Sweep team commando, punk rebel and grunt.

Tyrone Angelgard - Sweep team commando, the poetic brute.

Assassin32
07-29-2005, 02:04 AM
Just kidding. BTW, for you who have no clue who that is, buy clerks, mallrats, chasing amy, dogma (wait, don't), and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Don't go anywhere near Jersey Girl!

Hey.....Dogma and Jersey Girl own.:mad:

The Phantom
07-29-2005, 07:35 AM
Some added notes. I used the Step One and Step Two techniques detailed on the first page of this thread.

Plot Points

Step One: Before miner Paul G. Toole can retire as a priest, he must take on one last mission on an undiscovered planet. It so happens that this planet is the homeworld to a race of werewolves. (Science Fiction, Horror)

Step Two: Paul is planning on retiring to a priest escape the shadows of his old life, where he watched his daughter die in a freak accident right before his very eyes. His wife left him because of the "incident". And so he plans to move on, but before he can he's contacted by his company (Sectora Corp.) who asks him to commit to one last job. He is sent on a mission to live on a new, strange planet for ten days with his mining crew to find out what type of minerals can be found on the planet. They are sent with a Sweep Team and a company psychiatrist and anthropologist. Sneaking onto the mission is the adventerous old fart, Mr. Ned and his assistant. But they discover that this "man-made" planet is the homeworld to a race of Werewolves. So now Paul and the rest of members of the mission must survive on the planet and find a way to escape the bloodthirsty fangs of the werewolves.

DC/MARVEL
07-29-2005, 04:51 PM
Hey.....Dogma and Jersey Girl own.:mad:


Yeah, without Ben Affleck.

DrVenkman90
07-29-2005, 05:53 PM
hey guys i am writing this story and it seems bad to me. I don't know of anyways to make it better so I was wondering if you could help. Here is chapter one. Oh and it is called Dc Vs. Marvel.
Chapter 1
In a smoky alley filled with darkness a hero walks. The hero’s name is Batman and he is filled with anger at injustice. Every year, on the same day, at the same hour, he lays two roses for the two parents that were killed by that same injustice he fights to keep out of the city he loves named Gotham. He lays the two roses down on the ground and says, “I will avenge you, no matter how long it takes.” As he walks to the car he calls the Batmobile he thinks about what he has accomplished as a superhero. He thinks about the friend he fought with in battle Jason Todd. Jason Todd died fighting evil. This evils name was the Joker.
Batman had never known anything about the Joker. He was a sadistic mad man bent on making Batman’s life terrible. Joker was still on the run from Batman. Joker took away Jason Todd and made Batgirl (Barbra Gordon) a paraplegic. Batman had enough tragedies in his life. But being Batman had a responsibility. Batman finally reached the Batmobile. He jumps in and drives to the legendary Batcave.
The car phone rang while he was driving. “Hello,” He said in a raspy voice to conceal his identity. “Hey Batman, its Superman and we have a problem.” “What is it Superman.” “The Watchtower has picked up that” he pauses for a moment. “Our planet is going to merge with another one just like our own making there more people and no one should be harmed by it, but the only bad thing is there will be another 6.5 billon people on Earth.” “But there is going to be land because with our two planets merging the land will be doubled somehow.” “Is that even possible,” says the Dark Knight. “No, but it’s going to happen in one hour and there is nothing we can do to stop it.”
“This does mean someone here or there is using a force to do this since it isn’t possible.” “Well, the more the merrier.” “Actually Batman, with more people there will be more villains.” But Superman wouldn’t there be more heroes.” “Yeah you’re right Batman.” “So Clark when is the welcome party.” “Well the news will tell the world about it and then it is done.” “This is weird, there is going to be a person like me coming.” The car pulls into the Batcave. “Superman ill meet you at the Watchtower.” “Bye Bruce,” Superman said. Bruce hangs up the phone and gets out of the car.
The Batplane was something of beauty. It was a stealth fighter developed by Wayne Tech. It was a prototype so no one had one. Batman gets and then is approached by Dick Grayson. “Hey Dick, want to take a trip to the Watchtower.” “Sure Bruce, I would love to.” Nightwing gets in and they take off to the Watchtower.

The Demon's Head
07-30-2005, 10:14 AM
BATMAN: REDEMPTION

ACT 1

We open at Jarvis Tetch's cell in Arkhm Asylum for the criminally insane.
"aND thICK aNd Fast TheY came aT last, aNd MorE anD MoRe. aLL HOPPing thrOUGH tHe FRothy wAVES AnD scraMBLING tO tHE sHORe!" he mutters to himself. A figure, wearing black enters Tetch's cell. "wOUld yOu likE Some moRe teA?" Asks Tetch. The figure looks at him and pulls out a gun. He aims it at Tetch's face. "yOu coUlD aLwaYs Have MOre!" cries Tetch. He fires.
Blood splatters over the wall. Tetch's blood drips all over the floor, His eyes Peering out as if he was looking directly at us. A message is written with blood on the wall: "None of them are safe..."

Kevin D. Comicboy
11-07-2006, 01:52 PM
bumping this because I think this may bring us closer to being friends... i'm so lonely sometimes.