Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Spider-Fan]

But we're not talking about Star Wars, we're talking about Indiana Jones. There's a difference when one series takes place in a made-up world and another that takes place here.

The other difference is that we've seen all 6 movies Star Wars movie and can fairly compare the special effects in both trilogies. You're making this proclamation that the CGI looks fake in Indy IV based on a 90-second trailer.

Yes, I am going off a 90 second trailer. However, in the previous 3 Indy movies, I can't recall any fake looking scenes, while in the 90 second trailer, things look fake. That is already a step down.

[Matt Murdock]

You can't say it's a step down if the film isn't complete yet. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[The_Vision]

in the previous 3 Indy movies, I can't recall any fake looking scenes

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7527/344ig5.jpg

:D

[Matt Murdock]

And what about the guy who drinks from the wrong grail?

[The_Vision]

Oh yeah lol not too bad i suppose :p Always used to scare me this scene when i was little.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9833/377cb7.jpg

[Matt Murdock]

That looks SO realistic.

[Spider-Fan]

You can't say it's a step down if the film isn't complete yet. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

People said the effects in SM3 (though I thought they looked fine) looked incomplete in the trailer, and they looked the same in the release of the movie.

Also, I won't comment on the pics cause movie are MOVING pictures. Getting a still is like comparing apples to oranges. Though I will say I do recall a few shots that looked like clamation (particularly toward the end of Raiders).

But, for the most part, the shots looked fine. That 90 sec trailer though doesn't look great, thus why I feel the movie will overall look faker.

[Matt Murdock]

It must be awesome never being wrong.

[Spider-Fan]

It must be awesome never being wrong.

It has its advantages :woot:

[Cagefighterkip]

Oh yeah lol not too bad i suppose :p Always used to scare me this scene when i was little.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9833/377cb7.jpg

this wasnt what scared me in the Indy flicks when i was little (i loved the effect of him shredding to dust)... it was when they try to pull Indy's heart out at the end of TOD and the whole Evil Indy scene in TOD as well...

[DoctorJones]

Oh yeah lol not too bad i suppose :p Always used to scare me this scene when i was little.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9833/377cb7.jpg

That scene is one of many examples Crusade matches Raiders. I wasn't so shocked by the heart ripping in Doom, considering I can't really see what it is and the overly mean tone of that film.

[Cagefighterkip]

That scene is one of many examples Crusade matches Raiders. I wasn't so shocked by the heart ripping in Doom, considering I can't really see what it is and the overly mean tone of that film.

i thought it was dark, but i never thought TOD was a mean spirited flick... it was fun and everything had a great wrap up with the kids rescued, indy and willy gettign together, saving the tribe and killing an entire heart-rippin' cult into a river filled with man eating crocs

[DoctorJones]

Doom's has great cinematography by Douglas Slocombe, so the violence and the bloodshed is so much more in your face: poison, diamond among ice, gunfire in the club, Shanghai chase, Indiana killing the Thuggees via strangulation and rolling pin, being forced to drink blood and getting burnt by his sidekick, collapsing bridge, crocodiles, fiery cult, hot Sankara stones etc. You're right, the baby elephant was welcome relief.

[danoyse]

Yes, I am going off a 90 second trailer. However, in the previous 3 Indy movies, I can't recall any fake looking scenes, while in the 90 second trailer, things look fake. That is already a step down.

Then I think you should probably watch the original trilogy again. :cwink:

And no, you still can't compare 3 complete movies with a 90 second trailer.

[Cagefighterkip]

And no, you still can't compare 3 complete movies with a 90 second trailer.

and yeah;
it bugs the f*** outta me when people compate several 2hr flicks to a stinking couple min trailer or a tv spot grr... :cmad:

[Spider-Fan]

Then I think you should probably watch the original trilogy again. :cwink:

And no, you still can't compare 3 complete movies with a 90 second trailer.

I plan on rewatching these in May, so I'll get around to it.

and yeah;
it bugs the f*** outta me when people compate several 2hr flicks to a stinking couple min trailer or a tv spot grr... :cmad:

Yes I can compare the two, since the 90 sec trailer is all I have on the new one. When I have the 2hr or whatever length movie the new one will be to go on, then I will have my final say. But, that 90 sec trailer is telling me what to expect, and from my point-of-view, that expectation is a video game.

[danoyse]

But, that 90 sec trailer is telling me what to expect, and from my point-of-view, that expectation is a video game.

But you also had many negative views about the movie before you even saw the trailer, so your expectations were already low. You're just finding things to nitpick about.

[thejon93]

Oh yeah lol not too bad i suppose :p Always used to scare me this scene when i was little.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9833/377cb7.jpg
The "heart" scene from 'Indiana Jone II' used to scare the holy hell out of me.

[Cagefighterkip]

But you also had many negative views about the movie before you even saw the trailer, so your expectations were already low. You're just finding things to nitpick about.

theres no pleasing some people;
sometimes they just need to be negative -- me: glass is always half full

[danoyse]

theres no pleasing some people;
sometimes they just need to be negative -- me: glass is always half full

Some people just need reasons not to like it. To me, the argument is pointless:

- CGI wasn't in the original movies only because the technology didn't exist back then. If they had it, they would have used it. It doesn't always look perfect, but neither did the best special effects back in the 80s either. Many of the SFX in the original trilogy look dated, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the film.

- Harrison Ford is 65, he's hardly geriatric yet, he looks great, and he simply is Indiana Jones. He's plays a character beloved by an entire generation of movie fans who are geniunely thrilled at the chance to get to see him as Indy on the big screen at least one more time.

- Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have been discussing a new Indy movie since the last one ended. It's not something they just came up with when Stallone started dusting off his old franchises. No studio was pushing them to put together a new movie, no one's career is hinging on it...they all wanted to do this film, which is the best reason to make a new movie.

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

It's that simple.

[Gamma Ray]

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

It's that simple.


Indy is an archaeologist. He finds historical things, not sci-fi movie rejects.

[Hoedowned]

Indy is an archaeologist. He finds historical things, not sci-fi movie rejects.

Well, the sci-fi things are mistaken for historical artifacts. There has to be something interesting about the item everyone is seeking, "archeological importance" isn't just gonna cut it. Having said that, the whole aliens for gods thing sounds a bit too Stargate-ish for it's own good.

[cerealkiller182]

Indy is an archaeologist. He finds historical things, not sci-fi movie rejects.

Extraterrestrials jump starting civilization is not a new conept

[TNC9852002]

It's almost near fact, BTW

-TNC

[jimmylace]

exactly- everyone moaning about the CGI needs to rewatch the originals that used the photographic techology of the time. Theres tons of "fake" compositing that's no where near as good as CGI is. Spielberg said that only 1/3rd of the fx would be CGI; and most of them would hardly be noticeable (removing wires etc)

[nightwing06]

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[Prefix]

Indy is an archaeologist. He finds historical things, not sci-fi movie rejects.
The crystal skulls are real-life artifacts, with mythology surrounding them that involves aliens. It is very much in the vein of Indiana Jones, rather than Star Wars.

[Iceman]

Yes, I am going off a 90 second trailer. However, in the previous 3 Indy movies, I can't recall any fake looking scenes, while in the 90 second trailer, things look fake. That is already a step down.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7527/344ig5.jpg

:D

Haha well played :woot::up:

The original Indy movies are such classics that it's easy to forgive stuff like this. It doesn't really affect enjoyment of the film. If CrystalSkull is as good & the effects are the only problem I'm not going ot llose too much sleep.

[DoctorJones]

It's almost near fact, BTW

-TNC

Haha, true, I'm really fascinated by aliens replacing gods/fairies et al. in the modern world. It's a fresh twist certainly for Indiana Jones's return. It's not new actually: an alien being worshipped in ancient times is in the Infernal Machine video game.

[The Kid]

wow i didn't know ford and mutt were at the kids choice awards. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm173381120/nm0000148

FOUND VIDEO!

This is the single coolest thing i've seen all week.
http://defamer.com/374155/harrison-ford-disappointed-to-learn-slime-contains-no-alcohol

edit: WHOA was I late to the party or what?

[Spider-Fan]

But you also had many negative views about the movie before you even saw the trailer, so your expectations were already low. You're just finding things to nitpick about.

Yes, but I am also a fan of the series. You're just trying to minimize my opinion on this movie by showing I am not in favor of it (which is the debate method used by a movie's supporters on this site...always has been, and heck even I used to do it. Glad I don't anymore).

theres no pleasing some people;
sometimes they just need to be negative -- me: glass is always half full

I am quite the positive person. Just not on this production. Again, the first 3 Indy movies more than please me. However, I am entitled to my negative views of the movie.


Replies to points in the next post in bold (since I have no idea how to isolate points):
Some people just need reasons not to like it. To me, the argument is pointless:

- CGI wasn't in the original movies only because the technology didn't exist back then. If they had it, they would have used it. It doesn't always look perfect, but neither did the best special effects back in the 80s either. Many of the SFX in the original trilogy look dated, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the film.

Equally weak argument cause CGI wasn't around back then, so this is a moot argument. Who cares if it would have been used back in the day. Point is it wasn't, and they did things another way, which often times produces superior results than what CGI does, since it is nowhere near perfected.

- Harrison Ford is 65, he's hardly geriatric yet, he looks great, and he simply is Indiana Jones. He's plays a character beloved by an entire generation of movie fans who are geniunely thrilled at the chance to get to see him as Indy on the big screen at least one more time.

Watching Firewall showed me how little I think Ford has in the tank. He looked old in the movie. I prefer my Indy to not look like John McCain (I know, extreme example, but you get my point).

- Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have been discussing a new Indy movie since the last one ended. It's not something they just came up with when Stallone started dusting off his old franchises. No studio was pushing them to put together a new movie, no one's career is hinging on it...they all wanted to do this film, which is the best reason to make a new movie.

Yes, and this movie went nowhere for years. I choose to think instead of them getting this fabulous script they all had to do, they all realized that Indy 4 is kind of now or never, and they lowered their standards. Also, I am of the opinion that Ford needs this movie if he wants to keep his career going, which I think he does.

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

Indy's whole series has been based on history (cultural and religious), and thus the Ark, the grail, etc. are all fair game. Aliens are a major risk cause this is not what has been established as what the Indy movies cover. Area 51 is not like the Ark, cause the Ark had historical basis through centuries, thus research and knowledge on the matter are easier to come by for someone like Indy. Aliens are a whole different matter. This is putting an orange in a bushel of apples, and could easily back fire.

It's that simple.

It is not that simple. Maybe for you it is, but not me. Thus, I must respectively disagree with you :)

[Spider-Fan]

The crystal skulls are real-life artifacts, with mythology surrounding them that involves aliens. It is very much in the vein of Indiana Jones, rather than Star Wars.

I am not that familiar with these crystal skulls, so could you explain the real myth around them? This post has sparked my curiosity on the matter.

EDIT: I looked up some info, but found very little on the alien elements of the skulls, so if you could point me to info on the alien aspects of their legend, that would be sufficient. Found some of the stories I read somewhat interesting, but the alien stuff is most what I am looking for.

[Tojo]

I think the point is that Indy and co believe the crystal skulls are connected to an ancient civilisation, such as the maya. Could be wrong though. Is area 51 definatley a location in this film then?

[Tojo]

wow i didn't know ford and mutt were at the kids choice awards. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm173381120/nm0000148

FOUND VIDEO!

This is the single coolest thing i've seen all week.
http://defamer.com/374155/harrison-ford-disappointed-to-learn-slime-contains-no-alcohol

edit: WHOA was I late to the party or what?

haha. It's funny because none of those punk-ass kids even know what indiana jones is. haha.

[Spider-Fan]

I think the point is that Indy and co believe the crystal skulls are connected to an ancient civilisation, such as the maya. Could be wrong though. Is area 51 definatley a location in this film then?

I would assume the Mayans will be mentioned. They were mentioned a lot in the sites I looked up. Also read some connections with the Aztecs as well.

Though found nothing of the alien aspects. There was some mention, but no details following the mentions.

[Prefix]

Though found nothing of the alien aspects. There was some mention, but no details following the mentions.I actually own a book about mysterious artifacts and the crystal skulls are featured in it. It talks about how people believe they are alien in origin, such as being actual alien skeletons, alien works of art or even instruments of telepathy.

[Spider-Fan]

I actually own a book about mysterious artifacts and the crystal skulls are featured in it. It talks about how people believe they are alien in origin, such as being actual alien skeletons, alien works of art or even instruments of telepathy.

I did come across the accusation of telepathy, divinity, healing powers, and even death (death being mostly from the Skull of Doom) that have been associated with the skulls. But, why exactly do people think they are of alien origin? That is what I really couldn't find on the sites I looked these up on. It didn't go into further detail.

[Golgo-13]

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Nice pics.

[Prefix]

I did come across the accusation of telepathy, divinity, healing powers, and even death (death being mostly from the Skull of Doom) that have been associated with the skulls. But, why exactly do people think they are of alien origin? That is what I really couldn't find on the sites I looked these up on. It didn't go into further detail.Thats probably because there is no evidence to back up the claims. It's a crazy conspiracy theory.

[Watson]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/Sakperi/indysm.jpg
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Why hello there...*makes dreamy eyes*



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So this one confirms that it is the warehouse seen at the end of raiders.

[Spider-Fan]

Thats probably because there is no evidence to back up the claims. It's a crazy conspiracy theory.

It might be a conspiracy theory, but even conspiracy theories have reasons. I chalk up my lack of being able to find anything on the matter the fact that this is the internet, and not an actual expert on the subject.

[Cagefighterkip]

i wonder why indy is just watching the soviets take the crates... god im so curious; cant w8 for this flick!

[Cagefighterkip]

Some people just need reasons not to like it. To me, the argument is pointless:

- CGI wasn't in the original movies only because the technology didn't exist back then. If they had it, they would have used it. It doesn't always look perfect, but neither did the best special effects back in the 80s either. Many of the SFX in the original trilogy look dated, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the film.

- Harrison Ford is 65, he's hardly geriatric yet, he looks great, and he simply is Indiana Jones. He's plays a character beloved by an entire generation of movie fans who are geniunely thrilled at the chance to get to see him as Indy on the big screen at least one more time.

- Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have been discussing a new Indy movie since the last one ended. It's not something they just came up with when Stallone started dusting off his old franchises. No studio was pushing them to put together a new movie, no one's career is hinging on it...they all wanted to do this film, which is the best reason to make a new movie.

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

It's that simple.


genius; best post today

[danoyse]

Yes, but I am also a fan of the series. You're just trying to minimize my opinion on this movie by showing I am not in favor of it (which is the debate method used by a movie's supporters on this site...always has been, and heck even I used to do it. Glad I don't anymore).

No, minimizing your opinion would be refuting all of your points by referring to your Spiderman 3 avvy, which many people have done on here and I never have. I'm simply backing up what I believe are pointless reasons to bash the movie.

I am quite the positive person. Just not on this production. Again, the first 3 Indy movies more than please me. However, I am entitled to my negative views of the movie.

That you are. Just as we are entitled to disagree.

Replies to points in the next post in bold (since I have no idea how to isolate points):

You just have to put the statement in quotes.

Equally weak argument cause CGI wasn't around back then, so this is a moot argument. Who cares if it would have been used back in the day. Point is it wasn't, and they did things another way, which often times produces superior results than what CGI does, since it is nowhere near perfected.

So why constantly bring up how everything looked so much better back then (when it didn't) and how the fact they're using CGI now is a strike against the film. If they had it, they would have. All of the movies use the best technology available at the times they were made, and in that sense...this movie is no different than the original trilogy.

Watching Firewall showed me how little I think Ford has in the tank. He looked old in the movie. I prefer my Indy to not look like John McCain (I know, extreme example, but you get my point).

Firewall wasn't bad becaue Harrison Ford is old, Firewall was bad due to its terrible script. I couldn't even finish watching that movie.

Yes, and this movie went nowhere for years. I choose to think instead of them getting this fabulous script they all had to do, they all realized that Indy 4 is kind of now or never, and they lowered their standards. Also, I am of the opinion that Ford needs this movie if he wants to keep his career going, which I think he does.

They were in no rush to make another Indy movie. They'd made 3 Indy movies in 10 years. They moved on to other things. Look at their resumes over the last 19 years and they've all moved on to a multiude of projects. They've all wanted to do this project, wouldn't move on with it until it was a script they all agreed on one. You have absolutely no proof that anyone's lowered their standards.

And Harrison Ford will never be in need of a career surge. He's starred in 6 of the biggest films of all time and is perfectly happy working on his ranch in Wyoming when he's not working. He does exactly what he wants to do, not what the public wants him to do.

Indy's whole series has been based on history (cultural and religious), and thus the Ark, the grail, etc. are all fair game. Aliens are a major risk cause this is not what has been established as what the Indy movies cover. Area 51 is not like the Ark, cause the Ark had historical basis through centuries, thus research and knowledge on the matter are easier to come by for someone like Indy. Aliens are a whole different matter. This is putting an orange in a bushel of apples, and could easily back fire.

And so are Crystal Skulls. I looked them up when I heard the title of the movie and their history goes back to Mayan and Aztec cultures, and no one actually knows where they come from or how old they are. Some even claim they are remnants of the lost city of Atlantis or an alien species, other think the only date back the last 150 years or so.

In other words, right up Indy's alley. If they're after crystal skulls and it leads to Area 51--a significant part of American mythology, it fits right in.

You're making this movie far too difficult to deal with than it should be.

[Compi716]

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Now THAT is Indiana Jones!

[Cagefighterkip]

new pics, up at the raider.net... a couple new ones not posted here...

http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=683

[Golgo-13]

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[Secret Fawful]

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I think you people will be praising Mutt more than Short Round come May.

[Tojo]

No-one can surpass the might and cuteness of Shortie.

Heard a terrible rumour yesterday that Ford has signed on for Indy 5, while Lebof has signed on for Indy 5, 6 and 7. While i'm all for and Indy 5, if they do it really soon, i'm not for a Mutt-becomes-Indy spin-off series

[scifiwolf]

Hey Spider-Fan, I see you're still fightin the fight (Mad props for sticking to your guns, even if I disagree with your pessimism). I think you're having trouble becuase there's just not mutch out there on the crystal skulls. They're real in that there's a lot of history with respect to their existence, but their existence is still a mystery. There haven't been any definitive, unrefutable artifacts to support their legend, but only to encourage it. If you want some good info, the most relevant search you should do is for the Mitchell-Hedges skull. It's the closest you'll come to finding an example of the real crystal skull. Hope that helps.

And Tojo, Ford and Labeouf have both signed on for 3-picture deals, just to cover all bases. We've been told that this was a formality and no more Indy movies are to be made. This was all gone over last year.

[Tojo]

That makes absolutley no sense, that shia and Ford would sign a 3-pic deal if no more are going to be made. Why bother, even if it's just a formality? Personally i'd love to see one more done for a 2010 release, so it is a 5 film series, as Lucas originally intended.

[Watson]

That makes absolutley no sense, that shia and Ford would sign a 3-pic deal if no more are going to be made. Why bother, even if it's just a formality? Personally i'd love to see one more done for a 2010 release, so it is a 5 film series, as Lucas originally intended.

I don't think it necessarily means it will be made, it's just a precaution in case they do decide to keep the frnachise going. We'll have to wait till May 22 to see if Shia could really carry it off.

BTW gang...only 38 more days till Indy's back :wow:

[Gallagher]

BTW gang...only 38 more days till Indy's back :wow:

Thank you sir, for making my day

[Spider-Fan]

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No, minimizing your opinion would be refuting all of your points by referring to your Spiderman 3 avvy, which many people have done on here and I never have. I'm simply backing up what I believe are pointless reasons to bash the movie.

Sorry for the false accusation, but people do the dance of denouncing negative opinions on here frequently.

That you are. Just as we are entitled to disagree.

And I acknowledge that :)

You just have to put the statement in quotes.

In quotes how? Like I would a normal quoting of a post just without the posters name in it?

So why constantly bring up how everything looked so much better back then (when it didn't) and how the fact they're using CGI now is a strike against the film. If they had it, they would have. All of the movies use the best technology available at the times they were made, and in that sense...this movie is no different than the original trilogy.

My big knock on CGI is it eleminate creativity in many ways. Back in the old days, people had to find ways to make something look real (sometimes it worked great, other times not so much), while CGI people just do it computerized whether or not the shot ends up looking good. When CGI is perfected, I will like it, but in most capacities it is used, it stands out, and when you can just do something on a computer without concerning yourself on the realism of how it looks, I think a lot of creativity is lost. That is my personal opinion, of course. I know CGI keeps budgets down in some cases, but I still don't like it. Especially since CGI gives a movie a newer style feel, and part of the Indy franchise has been an older feel.

Firewall wasn't bad becaue Harrison Ford is old, Firewall was bad due to its terrible script. I couldn't even finish watching that movie.

The script sucked, but Ford's action scenes equally sucked in it. I love Ford, but he has to show me he can still do Indy. Pics and words don't do that, only time I will know for sure if he can is when I see the movie.

They were in no rush to make another Indy movie. They'd made 3 Indy movies in 10 years. They moved on to other things. Look at their resumes over the last 19 years and they've all moved on to a multiude of projects. They've all wanted to do this project, wouldn't move on with it until it was a script they all agreed on one. You have absolutely no proof that anyone's lowered their standards.

You also have no proof that they didn't lower their standards. Why they are actually making this movie is anyone's guess. What they say in interviews may be correct, or they could be playing politics by not saying why they actually are. I admit there is no proof proving my point, but at the same time, no one can show me a shred of evidence saying I'm wrong.

And Harrison Ford will never be in need of a career surge. He's starred in 6 of the biggest films of all time and is perfectly happy working on his ranch in Wyoming when he's not working. He does exactly what he wants to do, not what the public wants him to do.

You're right he doesn't have to still do movies. However, I think Ford clearly wants to still be a major star. Why else would he do Firewall (since that script was just horrid).

And so are Crystal Skulls. I looked them up when I heard the title of the movie and their history goes back to Mayan and Aztec cultures, and no one actually knows where they come from or how old they are. Some even claim they are remnants of the lost city of Atlantis or an alien species, other think the only date back the last 150 years or so.

I actually read up on these yesterday, but this is the thing. I found no reasons other than the technology required to making them as a point of why they are of alien origin. Overplaying this could end up doing more harm than good (since again, Indy is all about history, and if there is not much suggesting they are truly alien other than that, than the alien argument could be fairly flimsy at best). But, the research I did was all on the net. I never spoke to an expert on the matter, so there might be more reasons they are thought to be of alien origin, but I just couldn't find any other reasons.

In other words, right up Indy's alley. If they're after crystal skulls and it leads to Area 51--a significant part of American mythology, it fits right in.

Again, as with the alien aspect of the skulls, we shall see. I need to see more of a connection other than just the process in which they were made could be alien.

You're making this movie far too difficult to deal with than it should be.

No, I just am not going to blindly love this movie before I see it. I was fooled into thinking Superman Returns would be a great movie before I actually saw that piece of trash, so movies this long in the making are now on a show me basis in order to obtain my approval.


Like I said, I am a hard sell (though Lucas and co will get my money when the movie opens).


Sorry in advance scifiwolf, but I do have a reply point in bold, lol (I need to learn this seperating points thing):
Hey Spider-Fan, I see you're still fightin the fight (Mad props for sticking to your guns, even if I disagree with your pessimism). I think you're having trouble becuase there's just not mutch out there on the crystal skulls. They're real in that there's a lot of history with respect to their existence, but their existence is still a mystery. There haven't been any definitive, unrefutable artifacts to support their legend, but only to encourage it. If you want some good info, the most relevant search you should do is for the Mitchell-Hedges skull. It's the closest you'll come to finding an example of the real crystal skull. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the props :)

I will say reading about the subject has peeked my curiosity on the matter. Not to where I am hyped for the movie, but to where I do want to read more on the subject. I'll have to remember the tip about the Mitchell-Hedges skull. Thanks :up:

And Tojo, Ford and Labeouf have both signed on for 3-picture deals, just to cover all bases. We've been told that this was a formality and no more Indy movies are to be made. This was all gone over last year.

I won't even get into my view on an Indy 5 until the smoke from Indy 4 clears, lol.

[Tojo]

Got these of raider.net...

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[Cagefighterkip]

Got these of raider.net...

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[BatJeff7786]

Got these of raider.net...

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh11/metalinvader1982/indy43.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh11/metalinvader1982/indy42.jpg
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You know, the second pic looks rather comical....

[Cagefighterkip]

http://www.theraider.net/features/articles/fourth_installment.php

fascinating article on fourth movies in movie franchises...

[The Kid]

Great link and fascinating read. That's the real question here, isn't it. Why does this movie exist? I fear it's been made solely for the sake of vanity. Ford's not getting any younger and of course doesn't have much time left before doing another Indy is impossible. If that's the main reason this movie was made, it's not a good reason. Story should come first. However Spielberg's not the most successful hollywood director to date because he makes decisions without much thought put into them. There has to be something else going on here besides one last go around with Indy. There just has to be or the film will bomb, not gonna sugar coat it. Indy has to, I don't know, fight a dragon or something big.

[danoyse]

Replies in bold (again):

All you need to do is put QUOTE and /QUOTE in brackets around every point you're trying to quote. I didn't put the brackets here because I would have ended up quoting myself. Look at how it looks whenever you quote a post. It's easy.

In quotes how? Like I would a normal quoting of a post just without the posters name in it?

Exactly. Just QUOTE in brackets at the beginning of the text you quote, then put /QUOTE in brackets at the end of the quoted text.

My big knock on CGI is it eleminate creativity in many ways. Back in the old days, people had to find ways to make something look real (sometimes it worked great, other times not so much), while CGI people just do it computerized whether or not the shot ends up looking good. When CGI is perfected, I will like it, but in most capacities it is used, it stands out, and when you can just do something on a computer without concerning yourself on the realism of how it looks, I think a lot of creativity is lost. That is my personal opinion, of course. I know CGI keeps budgets down in some cases, but I still don't like it. Especially since CGI gives a movie a newer style feel, and part of the Indy franchise has been an older feel.

And in the 80s the special effects in the original movies were cutting edge. They look dated now, which is why they don't use them anymore. Special effects are going to look as good as the technology allows it to look, and it's necessary to create things that otherwise wouldn't exist.

The script sucked, but Ford's action scenes equally sucked in it. I love Ford, but he has to show me he can still do Indy. Pics and words don't do that, only time I will know for sure if he can is when I see the movie.

He will. On May 22nd. :cwink:

You also have no proof that they didn't lower their standards. Why they are actually making this movie is anyone's guess. What they say in interviews may be correct, or they could be playing politics by not saying why they actually are. I admit there is no proof proving my point, but at the same time, no one can show me a shred of evidence saying I'm wrong.

You really haven't followed these movies at all, have you?

You're right he doesn't have to still do movies. However, I think Ford clearly wants to still be a major star. Why else would he do Firewall (since that script was just horrid).

Harrison Ford is a major star. He may not be churning out major action movies today (well, at least until this movie, anyway)...but his most famous characters are classics. He seems fine with that.

I actually read up on these yesterday, but this is the thing. I found no reasons other than the technology required to making them as a point of why they are of alien origin. Overplaying this could end up doing more harm than good (since again, Indy is all about history, and if there is not much suggesting they are truly alien other than that, than the alien argument could be fairly flimsy at best). But, the research I did was all on the net. I never spoke to an expert on the matter, so there might be more reasons they are thought to be of alien origin, but I just couldn't find any other reasons.

No...research into crystal skulls is clearly archaelogical, which is what Indy does, so it fits. Crystal skulls have no confirmed origin, so it could be anything.

The Nazis wanted the Ark and the Grail to make their armies invincible. Now the Russians are after crystal skulls for some evil purpose, so how does that not sound like the other Indy movies?

Again, as with the alien aspect of the skulls, we shall see. I need to see more of a connection other than just the process in which they were made could be alien.

You will. On May 22nd. :cwink:

No, I just am not going to blindly love this movie before I see it. I was fooled into thinking Superman Returns would be a great movie before I actually saw that piece of trash, so movies this long in the making are now on a show me basis in order to obtain my approval.

No, but you are blindly dismissing all of it. :whatever:

I could see your point if this had been a recast Indy with an all-new creative team, because that would worry me. But this is the same crew coming back to make a movie that they are only making because they wanted to do it. That's good enough for me.

[Spider-Fan]

All you need to do is put QUOTE and /QUOTE in brackets around every point you're trying to quote. I didn't put the brackets here because I would have ended up quoting myself. Look at how it looks whenever you quote a post. It's easy.

I see. Always wondered how that worked (not the most computer savy person in the world, lol). Thanks.

And in the 80s the special effects in the original movies were cutting edge. They look dated now, which is why they don't use them anymore. Special effects are going to look as good as the technology allows it to look, and it's necessary to create things that otherwise wouldn't exist.

When CGI doesn't look obvious, I will be much more supportive of it. However, it gives movies a video game esque feel to me when it is obvious. For a newer franchise, I wouldn't mind (like the SM movies, I don't care about the CGI), but for a series that has not had that video game feel (even in bad or dated shots), it won't feel quite right. At least not to me.

He will. On May 22nd.

We shall see :cwink:

You really haven't followed these movies at all, have you?

Probably not as much as some in this thread, but even paying attention to the production doesn't tell you about the mindset backstage or how they all thought. I think by having scripts written for Indy 4 all these years means they want it made, but no one here is getting younger (primarily a problem for Ford, since Spielberg and Lucas don't have to appear on the screen), so I do think that a no or never mindset could easily have slipped in, thus lowering their standards. Again, we shall see May 22nd.

Harrison Ford is a major star. He may not be churning out major action movies today (well, at least until this movie, anyway)...but his most famous characters are classics. He seems fine with that.

Yes, he has had one of the greatest cinema careers ever. No doubt about that. But, Hollywood is a what have you done for me lately business. Just look at Cruise. He is untouchable right now, but once upon a time, he was the star of some of the best movies being made at the time. The real question I have is whether Ford has the Stallone mindset (which, if you ask me, turned out a mediocre Rocky Balboa, though a big step up from IV and V, and a terrible Rambo). But, no one other than Ford can answer this question for me. All I or anyone can do on this matter is speculate.

No...research into crystal skulls is clearly archaelogical, which is what Indy does, so it fits. Crystal skulls have no confirmed origin, so it could be anything.

Confirmed origin is not what I was looking for (as a mystery, answers will be few and far between). I am more interested in further details in matter of the alien theories associated with them. If I found the answers to their mystery, I would become very rich :woot:

I still say going into Area 51 can be a reach, since this is not lore that is easily researched through historical documents, but rather gov't conspiracy. Again, we shall see if it works.

The Nazis wanted the Ark and the Grail to make their armies invincible. Now the Russians are after crystal skulls for some evil purpose, so how does that not sound like the other Indy movies?

I will miss those Nazis :csad:

You will. On May 22nd.

We shall see :cwink:

No, but you are blindly dismissing all of it.

I am not blindly dismissing it. If the movie is good (imo, since I have disagreements on the quality of some of the more recent franchise ressurecting sequels with some), then I will acknowledge that I was very wrong, and own up to it (let people rag on me all they want). I owned up to SR when I saw that (prior to seeing it, I thought it would be great), and I owned up to The Hulk when I surprisingly loved it (though I was convinced the movie was going to be horrible). Heck, I could describe many times I admit to being wrong in life (like a certain choice I made in 2004...I'll leave that to your imagination...it still eats away at me everyday :csad:

I could see your point if this had been a recast Indy with an all-new creative team, because that would worry me. But this is the same crew coming back to make a movie that they are only making because they wanted to do it. That's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]

You're right. This is the same crew. But, this is the same crew quite possibly many years too late. Look what Lucas became with those trash prequel Star Wars movies. Look how "happy" Speilberg's movies have become since 1995. And my last impression of Ford was Firewall (very bitter taste, I might add). I have to see that Lucas still has some of his creative mind left. I have to see Speilberg get back to being the director that made Jurassic Park, not The Lost World. This is not to say Speilberg is a bad director now. On the contrary, he is still one of (if not the) best. It's just that his movies now are much edgier and less in the tone Indy I feel needs to have. Even the "dark" ToD was very light in many respects (though I must say I hated Spielberg's WotW, The Lost World, and The Terminal for the record). And from Ford, I have to not see the man I saw in Firewall ever again (as long as he is Indy).

To sum up, I am not writing this movie off, but I don't think this movie was neccessary, the window for making Indy 4 might have passed already, these men making the movie have changed over the years (can they get back to the place they need to be at for Indy?), it is possible to me that they at some point lowered their standards.

This movie has a lot to prove to me, but Hollywood is a show me business, and May 22nd is their opportunity to show me I was wrong.

And so ends the longest post I have ever made, lol.

[danoyse]

Spider-Fan, you worry too much.

Look, I don't worry about Lucas screwing it up like the Star Wars prequels because he didn't write the script and he's not directing the movie. Just because he's involved doesn't mean it's doomed.

And I don't think Saving Private Ryan and Munich qualify as the Spielberg's 'happy' movies since 1994. Not sure where you're going with that.

Yes, Harrison Ford is getting older and they can't wait around forever. He even joked at an AFI benefit that Sean Connery will be too old to play his father if they keep waiting. But they're not just racing into the movie because he's due at the retirement home next year. The movie is set in the 50s, so they're acknowledging his later age too.

And he's not that old. In fact, I saw him in NYC a few years ago and he looked great.

And I've followed his career long enough to know he doesn't give a crap what Hollywood expects from him. He does what he wants. If they don't like it, he doesn't care.

I don't mind the idea of aliens because it's connected to crystal skulls, which is connected to archaelogy...which is a natural fit for Indy. It's not like he's looking for ET.

I was a fan of the movies since the very beginning, I've seen all of them in the theater, and they've been talking about Indy IV since the last one ended. And now it's finally here. I see a giant Indy billboard on my way to work every morning. And that's just too cool. :up:

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Fan, you worry too much.

We shall see :cwink:

Look, I don't worry about Lucas screwing it up like the Star Wars prequels because he didn't write the script and he's not directing the movie. Just because he's involved doesn't mean it's doomed.

It does worry me. Remember, Lucas had to agree on the script also. And Indy is partly his creation. I think he will have more involvement than people think. Based on the prequels, this worries me.

And I don't think Saving Private Ryan and Munich qualify as the Spielberg's 'happy' movies since 1994. Not sure where you're going with that.

By happy, I mean that to be sarcastic. Most of Spielbergs movies since 1995 have been (while for the most part brilliant) extremely depressing.

Yes, Harrison Ford is getting older and they can't wait around forever. He even joked at an AFI benefit that Sean Connery will be too old to play his father if they keep waiting. But they're not just racing into the movie because he's due at the retirement home next year. The movie is set in the 50s, so they're acknowledging his later age too.

Well, using Ford his age would have to be acknowledged. However, like you said. They couldn't wait around forever.

And he's not that old. In fact, I saw him in NYC a few years ago and he looked great.

For a man his age, he looks good. As an action star his age, not so much. Again, this is based on Firewall, since I have not enough footage of this movie.

And I've followed his career long enough to know he doesn't give a crap what Hollywood expects from him. He does what he wants. If they don't like it, he doesn't care.

I know little about the personal lives of celebs (I am not a tabloids guy). I just go by what I see on the screen, so I have no comment here or opinion on his personal life.

I don't mind the idea of aliens because it's connected to crystal skulls, which is connected to archaelogy...which is a natural fit for Indy. It's not like he's looking for ET.

There is a balance though. We need more archaeology in handling the skulls, and less ET. Over doing it could go more into the ET catagory.

I was a fan of the movies since the very beginning, I've seen all of them in the theater, and they've been talking about Indy IV since the last one ended. And now it's finally here. I see a giant Indy billboard on my way to work every morning. And that's just too cool. :up:

I have not seen any in the theater (born in 1986). But, I became a huge fan of the series once I saw them. I am glad you are hyped for the movie. I really am. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble. Just presenting my side of the spectrum.

[Jack Napier]

Great link and fascinating read. That's the real question here, isn't it. Why does this movie exist?
Why does any movie exist? It's movies like Saw that are ridiculous with the excessive churning out of sequels. Indy has been 3/3 so far, so I see no reason why not to make a fourth.
I fear it's been made solely for the sake of vanity. Ford's not getting any younger and of course doesn't have much time left before doing another Indy is impossible. If that's the main reason this movie was made, it's not a good reason. Story should come first.
I recently read in some magazine that Tom Brokaw, one of Ford's closest friends, disclosed that Spielberg asked Ford to dye his hair for this film, and he told him no way. He also said that the last thing he cared to do was make one last film with Spielberg. He may retire after this, and if he does, hasn't he earned it? Spielberg and Lucas have been shaping the story for the last 8 years or so, and I don't think any director can guarantee as good a time at the theater as Spielberg.
However Spielberg's not the most successful hollywood director to date because he makes decisions without much thought put into them. There has to be something else going on here besides one last go around with Indy. There just has to be or the film will bomb, not gonna sugar coat it. Indy has to, I don't know, fight a dragon or something big.
Sorry, Spielberg doesn't put much thought into his films? Fight a dragon? What Indy movies did you watch as a kid?

[scifiwolf]

There is a balance though. We need more archaeology in handling the skulls, and less ET. Over doing it could go more into the ET catagory.
I agree, but everything we've heard is that aliens aren't present in the movie, and that their connection to the skulls is peripheral at best. This won't be The X-Files. ;)

[Hypestyle]

....they should film the sequels concurrently, like Matrix or Lord of the Rings..

..and what will be the creepy creatures in this one? Raiders had snakes, temple had bugs, crusade had rats..

[Agentsands77]

I agree, but everything we've heard is that aliens aren't present in the movie, and that their connection to the skulls is peripheral at best. This won't be The X-Files. ;)
Actually, I wouldn't be so sure. It's looking more and more like aliens will actually make an appearance, especially since the release of THE INDIANA JONES HANDBOOK (which has a section on how to escape an alien, saying to "make like Indy and get out of there!" in addition to sections dealing with all sorts of other Indiana Jones moments from the films, including moments from INDY IV).

At the very least, it's pretty much a done deal that we'll see the alien skeletons/bodies. We have an action figure being released in the design of one of them, and the Lego set Temple of Akator includes them.

[Tempest19]

These aliens are going to be ancient gods. the natives will call them gods. put my money on it right now. aliens are cool though. they fit PERFECTLY if you look into all the archeology behind it.

[Rezzo]

..and what will be the creepy creatures in this one? Raiders had snakes, temple had bugs, crusade had rats..

I believe there will be giant ants.

[Tempest19]

/\ Yeah. Think that's right. Heard that somewhere too.

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, but everything we've heard is that aliens aren't present in the movie, and that their connection to the skulls is peripheral at best. This won't be The X-Files. ;)

Well, they have to save somethings for you when you see the movie. Their not going to show you every secret, lol.

[The Chris]

You know, the second pic looks rather comical....

Yeah, and I love it. any time indy's confronted by a snake is great.

[Jack Napier]

There's an anaconda in the film, too. Indy should be non too pleased by that...:woot:

[The Apatow Crew]

I seen a tv spot this earlier today. It seemed to showcase a lo of action in it.

[Cagefighterkip]

There's an anaconda in the film, too. Indy should be non too pleased by that...:woot:

whoah
anaconda rlly?

[turtlefocker]

really

[OctaviusINC]

really?

[The Amazing Lee]

Really really.

http://www.exeter.gov.uk/autumnfestival/media/imagefestival/s/8/S2_CG_CHAR_Shrek_01_cmyk_1_image.jpg

[Cagefighterkip]

Really really.

http://www.exeter.gov.uk/autumnfestival/media/imagefestival/s/8/S2_CG_CHAR_Shrek_01_cmyk_1_image.jpg

lol :) clever wit here

[BloodyWolverine]

Its Indiana Jones thats all i care about. Indiana Jones is one of the best iconic characters in movie cinema history and Harrison wa smade to play it and i like Ray Winstone as a side kick but will miss John Ryse Davis.
But people are talking doom because of Phantom Menace but remember PM and all the Prequels made good money and were intertaining and if you ask me Indiana Jones will be the second best summer film behind TDK but maybe tied with Iron Man.

[Rezzo]

Do you guys think a 140 running time is too long?

[Kent]

Naw. Maybe it's close to too long, but it's not quite there.

[Gold Samurai]

Got these of raider.net...

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh11/metalinvader1982/indy43.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh11/metalinvader1982/indy42.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh11/metalinvader1982/indy41.jpg

Really old pictures

[scifiwolf]

^Lol - I was gonna tell him that, but I didn't think I could do it without coming across as an ass. I really love that shot in the marketplace, though.

[DoctorJones]

The Peruvian marketplace reminds me of Cairo in Raiders, although being older, Indiana looks more like a backpacker than just casually strolling through.

[Tojo]

Really old pictures

Not everyone has seen them though. I had no idea how old they might be, and frankly, i don't think it matters.

[CorpusBlack]

Do you guys think a 140 running time is too long?

Being an Indy film I could go for 300 mins.

[Tojo]

Do you guys think a 140 running time is too long?

It's alot longer than all the others i think but no. How can an Indy film be too long? I really doubt it'll feel like it's over 2 hrs, Raiders and Doom flew by for me.

[Tojo]

Being an Indy film I could go for 300 mins.

I concur.

[CorpusBlack]

I concur.

And I concur you concurring with me. :up:

[Gold Samurai]

It's alot longer than all the others i think but no. How can an Indy film be too long? I really doubt it'll feel like it's over 2 hrs, Raiders and Doom flew by for me.


Doom went by really fast IMO the moment they got into the underground temple.

[Lord Valumart]

It's alot longer than all the others i think but no. How can an Indy film be too long? I really doubt it'll feel like it's over 2 hrs, Raiders and Doom flew by for me.

i actualyl cannot belvie that raiders is aslong as it is...it really does just fly by...

[cerealkiller182]

Doom went by really fast IMO the moment they got into the underground temple.

i actualyl cannot belvie that raiders is aslong as it is...it really does just fly by...

Yeah, thats my fave part of Indy. the movies tend to really move. I read a screenwriting book once that characterized the second act as throwing obstacles in front of your hero, and I think that is what Indy franchise does to a "t", a very effective "t"

[Gotham]

Just now read about the two-hour and three minute running time:

:up::up:

[BloodyWolverine]

You know i think Indy looks ok for the age Harrison is and you know he si doing his stunt work to a point which many actors don't do.

[DoctorJones]

Yup, Ford has always looked great: he was almost 40 filming Raiders. Anyone who claims otherwise is a jealous ageist. :oldrazz:

[GhostPoet]

Do you guys think a 140 running time is too long?

Not really...Actually I prefer my films a little longer.

[Cagefighterkip]

140mins is perfect, not too short and not too long

[CorpusBlack]

Yup, Ford has always looked great: he was almost 40 filming Raiders. Anyone who claims otherwise is a jealous ageist. :oldrazz:

Paramount has actually done some work to his features digitally.

[OctaviusINC]

Paramount has actually done some work to his features digitally.

Really? I wasn't aware.

I know there's a thread on theraider.net forum arguing that the beginning of the film takes place earlier in Indy's life. They took screencaps from the trailer and there's some shots where he has brown hair and some where it's all gray. Personally I haven't a clue. I could definetly see them digitally aging him like they did to Xavier and Magneto in the beginning of X3.

[dark_b]

obviously they will make him younger then he really is. obviously he will ahve a stund double.

lets get realistic here.

[Nirvana]

140 minutes of Indy is very good. I am happy with the running time.

[DoctorJones]

Paramount has actually done some work to his features digitally.

Sheer and utter rubbish. And Ford did many of his own stunts: stunt technology has improved and become safer since Crusade. Ford was held by safety harnesses while doing his own work and actually using his whip. It's disgusting how the media paints him as a cripple and that a film cannot celebrate age.

[DoctorJones]

obviously they will make him younger then he really is. obviously he will ahve a stund double.


65 playing 58 huh? Not a lot of difference. And did you think Ford did all his stunts in the past films? Ever heard of Vic Armstrong?

[Tojo]

I agree Doctor Jones. Unless there is a scene where it takes place earlier(allegedley 1925, Eygpt, with Abner) then i don't think they'd digitally work his face. He's supposed to be 58 in the film, and that's more or less what he looks.

Obviously at 65 he can't do some of the crazier stunts but i think he's still extraordinarily fit for a man of his age.

[BloodyWolverine]

I saw the trailer and i can tell his age especially wehn he messses up and land in the cab of teh truck real hard. I think they will have a few funnier jokes with his age in there but its Indy man and unless he breaks a hip he will keep goin

[Cagefighterkip]

I agree Doctor Jones. Unless there is a scene where it takes place earlier(allegedley 1925, Eygpt, with Abner) then i don't think they'd digitally work his face. He's supposed to be 58 in the film, and that's more or less what he looks.

Obviously at 65 he can't do some of the crazier stunts but i think he's still extraordinarily fit for a man of his age.

yknow i agree with that, but i find it odd that bruce willis, stallone and now ford are doing these flicks and are in such good shape... but they constantly get made fun of for being too old when they look great.

[Figs]

yknow i agree with that, but i find it odd that bruce willis, stallone and now ford are doing these flicks and are in such good shape... but they constantly get made fun of for being too old when they look great.

Most of the time when people take the time to make fun of others it's usually almost always due to jealousy. Especially when the person getting ripped on never did anything personal to the attacker.

I saw and enjoyed both Live Free or Die Hard and Rambo and can't wait to see Ford on the big screen again as Indiana.

[OctaviusINC]

And just because YOU asked for it...More "Crystal Skull" Bashing!

http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=689

[Rezzo]

And just because YOU asked for it...More "Crystal Skull" Bashing!

http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=689

Might as well post the article from New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/).


Is Shia LaBeouf the Next Jar Jar Binks? (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/04/is_shia_labeouf_the_next_jar_j.html)

http://i26.tinypic.com/vy48sw.jpg

Amid today's reports that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull's running time will be an unending 140 minutes (http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/16/indiana-jones-and-the-two-hour-and-twenty-something-minute-sequel/) come additional rumors that the movie itself is a giant stinker. "I have been told by a couple people to 'keep expectations low,'" says /Film's Peter Sciretta (http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/16/indiana-jones-and-the-two-hour-and-twenty-something-minute-sequel/). "According to some insiders," adds CHUD's Devin Faraci (http://chud.com/articles/articles/14385/1/INDIANA-JONES-AND-THE-NUMB-BUTT-CHEEKS/Page1.html), "the movie may not have turned out to be what people in the industry call 'good.'" This is after George Lucas himself attempted to quell fans' hopes two weeks ago with this ringing endorsement in USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-03-24-lucas_N.htm?csp=34): "When you do a movie like this, a sequel that's very, very anticipated, people anticipate ultimately that it's going to be the Second Coming … And it's not. It's just a movie. Just like the other movies." Since we liked the trailer, and because we'll watch anything with Shia LaBeouf, we're still holding out hope that Skull won't be another Phantom Menace — but what if it is?

Despite its many problems — the story, the actors, the dialogue, the special effects, the overall tone, etc. — Star Wars: Episode I will forever be remembered as a movie ruined completely by Jar Jar Binks, the computer-generated Gungan who generous critics found merely annoying and less-generous ones likened to a modern-day blackface minstrel (http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990705/williams). If Indiana Jones 4 does, in fact, turn out crappy, it's pretty obvious who'll bear the blame. And, hey, as we said, we like Shia LaBeouf; while some have expressed disbelief at his continued ability to be cast in tons of movies despite a deadly lack of charisma, we thought he was utterly believable in his Transformers role as a guy running from Transformers.

Still, if Crystal Skull stinks for any reason — because Lucas passed on Frank Darabont's screenplay (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/04/02/frank-darabont-wont-get-credit-on-indy-4-wont-work-with-lucas-again/), because it's 140 minutes long, or because Harrison Ford is unable to convincingly portray an archaeologist who can still walk without electric-scooter assistance — it's LaBeouf who'll be the easy scapegoat. And unlike Jar Jar who was a fictional character rendered in CGI (much like Hayden Christensen) and didn't have to worry about sustaining a career, Shia will have only his role in his other billion-dollar action-movie franchise to fall back on.

[Dr Lee]

bah... If i go in and enjoy it then who gives a stuff what the critics say.... or anyone else that for that matter...

[BloodyWolverine]

I agree and i just watched Phanto Menace and it wasn't that bad compared to so movie i have seen that people said were oscar worthy. Sure the prequels will never match teh originals but one element in Indy 4 is Harrison is back and none of the cast but Chewbacca came back in teh prequels well guess teh droids. My point is this is Indiana Jones not Star Wars.
I could care less about critics for they no nothing about fun movies . They never did and never will.

[Cagefighterkip]

bah... If i go in and enjoy it then who gives a stuff what the critics say.... or anyone else that for that matter...

agreed---
besides, indy jones isnt star wars, its indy and its spielberg

[Gotham]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-04-16-harrison-ford_N.htm

Great new picture. And ever adding to the mystery of the plot.

[DoctorJones]

http://asp.usatoday.com/_common/_scripts/big_picture.aspx?width=490&height=328&storyURL=//www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-04-16-harrison-ford_N.htm&imageURL=/life/_photos/2008/04/17/indianax-large.jpg

"Forrestal..." Sorry, Raiders flashback.

Besides, I though AOTC was the weakest Star Wars film despite the lack of Jar Jar. The fact the series went out on a high with ROTS means I feel people's fears about Lucas are unfounded: moreso, considering Spielberg's last film Munich was his best since Schindler's List. Those were very dark films though: but Spielberg did great with Catch Me If You Can.

[Tojo]

Meh...the Indy films weren't like by critics in the 80's either. Who really cares what they'll think? I'm pretty sure it'll do well at the BO, despite being awol for 20yrs and Ford being an old man(yes it does count sometimes).

Still, as Lucas neither wrote the script or directed the film, and Spielberg did direct it, then i genuinley believe this'll be as enjoyable as the others(hopefully as good as Raiders!).

You cannot compare it Star Wars, because firstly Star Wars is an industry compared to Indy. Star Wars was like a world event compared to this. Ridiculous really, but people hyped Star Wars up so much that they forgot it was just a goddamn movie. KOTCS is just a movie to me. I'll enjoy even if it isn't as good as the others. It's Ford, Spielberg and great supporting cast. Infact i'm even hoping it'll be a different beast to the others, because they never rehashed eachother at all.

and why are people *****ing about a 140m long movie? They can't sit still for 2hrs and 20 minutes?!

[joker072]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-04-16-harrison-ford_N.htm

Great new picture. And ever adding to the mystery of the plot.

Thanks for the heads up, Gotham!

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[The Chris]

About the new york magazine article

this may be blinded by my love for the other movies, but this and the chud article sound like straight up bulls**t. I've heard the film is 2 hrs 3 mins, Shia is getting undeserved hate, and I can't see Spielberg or Harrison letting this one suck. I think it's bs.

[Rezzo]

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'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull': The Untold Story (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20192043,00.html)

After almost 20 years, Harrison Ford, Steven Spielberg, and George Lucas team up for a new whip-cracking adventure. Here's why it took so long, what to expect, and what the trio think about living up to their own legends

Harrison Ford keeps his own hangar at the Santa Monica Municipal Airport. Among his inventory are a helicopter, a jet, and an immaculately painted blue-and-green biplane. He's a skilled pilot, and sometimes he goes for rides between earthly appointments. Today's a helicopter day. In fact, Ford's been out choppering around on this clear, calm mid-March afternoon, touching down only now to do an interview. Wearing jeans, a navy blue T-shirt, and dark aviator glasses, he strides across the landing area so purposefully you can almost hear a military march.

Seeing him in person, up close, makes the hard fact that Ford will turn 66 this July seem like a clerical mistake. He looks strikingly younger than he has lately on film. There's a big vein showing down the middle of each of his sizable biceps. Yet hard-bodied as he keeps himself, he's only mortal. And so for every punch he throws as the world's best-known archaeologist in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, audiences will be thinking about a different, offscreen battle: the one between Ford and Father Time.

Ford first played the whip-wielding, globe-trotting Dr. Jones in 1981's Raiders of the Lost Ark, returned in 1984's Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and seemingly wrapped up the series playing son to Sean Connery in 1989's Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. But prospects for a post-trilogy resurrection got going in the early 1990s and never stopped. Early in the twisty-turny development process, executive producer George Lucas (who created the character) and director Steven Spielberg realized that if they ever did incubate a story good enough to justify taking that fedora out of mothballs, so much time would have passed that it would look silly to pretend Indy was the same old — that is, young — guy. They ultimately set Crystal Skull in 1957, 19 years after the events of Last Crusade. In a neat real-world parallel, it's been exactly 19 years since that movie was released.

''That's one of the things I was most keen about,'' says Ford, sitting down for an indoors talk shortly after landing. ''Just acknowledge the years, without reservation. What's the big deal? The guy's 18, 20 years older. So what?'' There it is, the question on which hundreds of millions in grosses are riding. So what? Well, some people might not want to see a beloved action icon reaching AARP eligibility. ''Yeah, I've heard it,'' Ford says. '''Aaaaw, he's older.' Well, s---, yes. And by the way? So are you. So...are... you! Take a look in the f---ing mirror!''

Whether Ford can still hack it as an action hero is just one of many questions hovering around Crystal Skull. Per Spielberg's strict decree, not even the Paramount marketing team has been allowed to see any work-in-progress versions. Neither has EW. (Finishing touches weren't done until mid-April.) But we do have inside intelligence on what it's about: greed, abduction, the Cold War, anticommunist fervor, torture, theft, artifact-acquisition rivalry, and the post-WWII generation gap, among other things. (Now's a good time to bail out if you hate spoilers — even though we'd classify the ones that follow as mild.)

Remember dark-haired Marion Ravenwood, Indy's squeeze from Raiders? She's back and once again played by Karen Allen, now 56 and looking remarkably unchanged. Expect to see Marion and Indy trading gibes through lots of South American jungle jeopardy involving quicksand, amphibious vehicles, so-called Ugha warriors, and large, nasty ants. To the likely delight of teenage girls, Spielberg and Co. have also given Indy a sidekick played by 21-year-old Shia LaBeouf, a strong ticket-seller in Disturbia and Transformers last year. (Spielberg helped produce the latter.) Muscled up, LaBeouf adopts a sort of Marlon Brando punk-rebel persona right out of The Wild One as a leather-jacketed, switchblade-carrying, motorcycle-riding young searcher named Mutt Williams. Hmmm, Mutt — as in a mongrel, of mixed or uncertain parentage. Will it turn out he's the son of Indy and/or Marion? And does Crystal Skull set up Mutt as a spin-off-ready new hero? Fans have been arguing these points online for well over a year.

Another focus of chatroom buzz has been the baddies, a nasty group of Russian soldiers and operatives in search of the title object because of its reputed mind-controlling powers. (About time, says Ford, that Indy moved on from tangling with German SS officers, as he did in movies 1 and 3: ''We plum wore the Nazis out. Couldn't go there again.'') The leader of the KGB-backed pack is Cate Blanchett, in a severe, straight-banged, ink black wig, as Agent Irina Spalko. She's a born interrogator. Gimlet-eyed and handy with a sword, she crosses blades with Mutt. Asked if Agent Spalko gives off a vaguely dominatrix vibe, Lucas says, ''Not so vaguely,'' and bursts out laughing. Could be the kinkiest thing he's helped brainstorm since he put Princess Leia in a gold bikini and chains in Return of the Jedi.

Karen Allen remembers the day the phone rang in January 2007. She was at home in the Berkshires in Massachusetts, where, between TV and film gigs, she's built a life raising a son, teaching acting and yoga, and running a luxury-knitwear business. It was Spielberg on the line. He said, ''I bet you know why I'm calling.'' She had no idea. ''He said, 'Haven't you been watching television?''' she recalls. '''It's been announced! We're gonna make Indiana Jones 4! And guess what? You're in it!'''

Allen had heard so many inconclusive rumors about a new Indy movie over the past decade or so that she'd given up believing it would happen — not surprising, given the film's stop-and-go-and-stop history. Beginning in the early '90s, five key writers went through myriad script drafts, continually hitting narrative booby traps. The parameters kept shifting for a story that had to first satisfy Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford. None of them had any contractual imperative to reunite, and each of them had mutually-agreed-upon veto power. ''Three very powerful, opinionated individuals,'' says writer-director David Koepp, who had worked with Spielberg on Jurassic Park and War of the Worlds and wound up becoming what Spielberg called the ''closer'' on Crystal Skull. ''That's just hard to get to line up.''

Die Hard scribe Jeb Stuart got the boulder rolling with an early-'90s script titled Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars, a stab at addressing one of Lucas' central ideas. It made sense, Lucas argued, for the first three Indy movies to imitate 1930s and '40s adventure serials, as the stories were set in that period. But with Indy older, and the setting pushed to the '50s, the genre should also switch to the sort of trope you'd find only in that later era: namely, aliens invading Earth in spaceships with the military in hot pursuit. Or so Lucas argued, to raspberries from his collaborators. ''Harrison said, 'No way am I being in a Steve Spielberg movie like that,''' recalls Lucas. ''And Steven said, 'I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.'''

The creative wrangling continued with Jeffrey Boam writing (he'd worked on Last Crusade). M. Night Shyamalan told Howard Stern he was eyeing the Indy franchise in the summer of 2000, though no actual scripts seem to have come of that. Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile) turned in a draft and did one revision circa 2003-04. According to Darabont, he put over the idea of Marion returning, instead of Indy having some new love interest. Darabont was a rabid fan of the franchise, having worked for Lucas' early-'90s TV show, The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Spielberg was reportedly extremely keen on Darabont's work. But after Lucas said no to it, for reasons no one will discuss, Darabont went public with his disappointment. He complained to a journalist as he promoted his film The Mist last year that Lucas was ''insane'' to reject his script, and voiced his unhappiness in several other interviews. He's eased up on the rhetoric since, and now says, via e-mail, that ''there's honestly not much to add that hasn't been said.... For me to comment beyond that is to promote a controversy that doesn't exist.'' Spielberg won't elaborate, other than to say, ''Why do you want to get into that?''

At some point, aliens got bumped aside for a new central concept: crystal skulls. Lucas has said he'd been interested for years in the real-life mythology behind them — what Ford calls ''the mysto-crypto stuff that's part of every Indiana Jones movie.'' After a go-round with Jeff Nathanson (Catch Me if You Can, Rush Hour 3), David Koepp finally came in about two years ago. He cooked up an acceptable stew of already-established ingredients, plus some of his own. (He's the only screenwriter with final credit; story credit goes to Lucas and Nathanson.) Are aliens still in there too? ''I can neither confirm nor deny,'' says Koepp. According to Ford, ''There's no element of any of the original scripts that has completely gone away. George made sure of that. 'Cause he is that persistent. And that dogged.'' Spielberg won't touch plot queries. His only comment? ''You'll find out on May 22nd.''

When Shia LaBeouf got cast in Crystal Skull, he had to check in at Spielberg's office to read the script. He didn't get his own copy until shortly before shooting began. ''That was weird,'' he says. ''I was not prepared for not being able to have a script during prep.'' When he finally got one to keep, every page had been bar-coded and watermarked to discourage easy duplication. He says he was also given a hotline number. If he needed to valet-park his car — and was even thinking of leaving the script in the backseat — all he had to do was dial the hotline and someone would come retrieve it. And what if LaBeouf ever felt the urge to blab about the plot? Best not to think about that. ''The joke I had was that Steven had snipers following me,'' he says, ''and if I ever slipped and gave up any tidbits, that was the end.''

Why the fear factor? Because Spielberg hates audiences knowing any more than he wants them to before opening weekend. As cameras rolled for principal photography from mid-June through mid-October of last year, that made life on the set feel like a witness-protection program at times. When Spielberg shot scenes on location in and around Yale University in Connecticut (standing in for Dr. Jones' Marshall College), onlookers went into a frenzy snapping cell-phone pics and posting videos on YouTube of a motorcycle-chase scene involving LaBeouf and Ford, among other moments. The production had to build nine-foot-high fencing to keep the actors hidden from view as they went to and from sensitive scenes. Says LaBeouf: ''We had to wear robes and hoods like we were in the [Yale secret society] Skull and Bones. And we were never supposed to be grouped or bunched together. We were always supposed to be separated until we came to set.''

When production moved to L.A., the bulk of shooting commenced at five separate studios, since no single facility could accommodate all the sets. That meant an awful lot of entry points for Lucasfilm security folks to lock down. Despite the precautions and confidentiality agreements, two big leaks nearly blew up in fall 2007. An extra who played a Russian soldier blabbed story details to an Oklahoma newspaper; the actor persuaded the paper to take down the article from its website, but not before it circulated to every fan chatroom in the land. And thieves broke into Crystal Skull's production office at Universal last September, stealing a computer along with proof sheets of sensitive photos and a budget breakdown detailing salaries. A law-enforcement sting operation recovered the stolen materials within a week.

Fan websites like Ain't It Cool News and TheRaider.net have bandied about all manner of spoilers in the months since. Lucas says Spielberg was dispirited about how much information is out there, despite their best efforts. Relax, Lucas says. ''They're not coming to see the plot,'' he argues. ''They're coming to see Steve Spielberg interpret a story. You can't get that any other way than by actually seeing the movie.'' He believes it's impossible to truly spoil Crystal Skull. ''I've been trying to get Steven to put the scene where Indiana Jones gets killed into the trailer,'' he deadpans. ''And he just refuses to do it.''

A death scene for Dr. Jones? That would never happen, Harrison Ford assures us. He remembers trying to persuade Lucas to kill off his Han Solo character in the second or third initial Star Wars movie, insisting it'd make for a better story. ''You don't need him,'' says Ford. ''He's got no mama, got no papa — out there all by himself. He's a piece you can move around or get rid of. But I couldn't get George to go along with that. He didn't want to stop making the toys.''

Ford never had the same feelings of disposability about Indy, whom he finds much more interesting than Han Solo — especially since Indy's mortality has always been a key part of his appeal. ''One of the pleasures is that we allow him to get in too deep,'' Ford says. ''He's in over his head and has to pull himself out. A character without fear or with no sense of his own inadequacy would be a pain in the ass to be around.'' Time to embrace our own foolish, feeble humanity again — and Indiana Jones, courtesy of a buff sexagenarian, is here to show us how.

[Gotham]

Great new pictures! :woot:

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks for the heads up, Gotham!

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Awesome pics. :up: I am not reading to much at this point as the movie is soon and i want some surprises but nice to see a few new stills. Cate is gonna be a hell of a villain.

[Spider-Fan]

140 minutes for this series is a tad long. I personal don't care about runtimes (unless they are far too long or far too short). But, summer movies seem to be getting longer as time goes on (for the most part), so it is only predictable I guess.

I will say I am not paying attention to the reviews on this movie (that is my job for myself), but that comment on if it sucks Shia becomes Jar Jar has a lot of merit. People will see it that way (regardless of other flaws).

[Webhead2006]

Sweet new articles and photos for the film. So 140 mins has been confirmed for the official run time then? How many hrs/mins is that i cant think of what it is right now.

[Spider-Fan]

http://asp.usatoday.com/_common/_scripts/big_picture.aspx?width=490&height=328&storyURL=//www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-04-16-harrison-ford_N.htm&imageURL=/life/_photos/2008/04/17/indianax-large.jpg

"Forrestal..." Sorry, Raiders flashback.

Besides, I though AOTC was the weakest Star Wars film despite the lack of Jar Jar. The fact the series went out on a high with ROTS means I feel people's fears about Lucas are unfounded: moreso, considering Spielberg's last film Munich was his best since Schindler's List. Those were very dark films though: but Spielberg did great with Catch Me If You Can.

Catch Me If You Can still was not that happy of a movie. It had light hearted comedy in it, but it is quite depressing. Especially when he goes looking for his father after he is told he died. This movie needs to be old school Speilberg, not depressing Speilberg. I don't go into Indy movies wanting to see something that will depress me or think how about the world can be. I want to have fun.

And ROTS was not a great movie. It was the best he could do after 2 previously horrendous movies, but the film has very glaring flaws (my biggest gripe being Palpatine was way too over-the-top in his evilness....I mean, laughing as he dangles from a Senate seat? COME ON!!!...that and some poor prequel tie-in things that were weakly done). ROTS was good, about a 6 if 5 is mediocre on a scale of 10, imo. It still showed Lucas' lack of creativity, and thus my worry when he is involved in anything now.

[Spider-Fan]

Sweet new articles and photos for the film. So 140 mins has been confirmed for the official run time then? How many hrs/mins is that i cant think of what it is right now.

2hr. 20min. = 140 minutes

Not sure the runtime is official though.

[Rezzo]

So 140 mins has been confirmed for the official run time then? How many hrs/mins is that i cant think of what it is right now.

Yep, it´s official and that would be 2 hours 20 minutes.

[Webhead2006]

ok thanks guys i hope that is the official run time sounds like a good ammount of time for the film wasnt the other 3 between 2hr 5mins-2hr 15mins.

[Rezzo]

ok thanks guys i hope that is the official run time sounds like a good ammount of time for the film wasnt the other 3 between 2hr 5mins-2hr 15mins.

Well John Williams said he finished all seven reels and that each reel is about 20 minutes so that´s where the 140 minutes comes from.

[Spider-Fan]

ok thanks guys i hope that is the official run time sounds like a good ammount of time for the film wasnt the other 3 between 2hr 5mins-2hr 15mins.

Raiders- 1hr. 55 min (or 115 min)
ToD- 1hr. 58 min (or 118 min)
Last Crusade- 2hr. 7min (or 127 min)

So this is 13 minutes longer than LC.

[Webhead2006]

ah ok yea so then its pretty much sure it will be that length which is good ammount of time i am glad it is not just 2hr or less then 2hr would have totally sucked if it was so short.

[Webhead2006]

Raiders- 1hr. 55 min (or 115 min)
ToD- 1hr. 58 min (or 118 min)
Last Crusade- 2hr. 7min (or 127 min)

So this is 13 minutes longer than LC.
oh i thought the first two were 2hrs long i havent been to any sites lately that states their official run times so i forgot their run times.

[Spider-Fan]

oh i thought the first two were 2hrs long i havent been to any sites lately that states their official run times so i forgot their run times.

I went to imdb for the runtimes. Like I said, it seems long for the series, but like any movie, the runtime should be whatever is neccessary to tell the story.

[Webhead2006]

true and hopefully we have a great story for the film.

[danoyse]

Might as well post the article from New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/).

:whatever: New York Magazine is notoriously snarky. It looks like the entire article exists because they're just annoyed Shia was cast.

[GhostPoet]

The hate against Shia is totally uncalled for and completely baseless. He's a fantastic actor and a worthy actor for the role in an Indy film.

[Cagefighterkip]

The hate against Shia is totally uncalled for and completely baseless. He's a fantastic actor and a worthy actor for the role in an Indy film.

he was fantastic in everything before be it the criminally underrated HOLES or DISTURBIA or TRANSFORMERS... hes great and he will be greatin this new flick

[Spider-Fan]

I am not a huge fan of Shia. I hated Disturbia, and find him playing mostly the same character.

[Tojo]

Does anyone know what Mutts role in this film is yet? I don't think he is Indy's student, because of those lines in the trailer;

Mutt-'You're a teacher?!'

Indy-'Part time'

..yet we know they are both involved in a motorcycle chase on campus. Either way it's cheesy, if indeed he is Indy's son, which is likely(otherwise why create a 20yr old character as his side-kick).

[Rezzo]

Does anyone know what Mutts role in this film is yet?

He´s basically Indy´s new sidekick and...

His son.

[OctaviusINC]

Does anyone know what Mutts role in this film is yet? I don't think he is Indy's student, because of those lines in the trailer;

Mutt-'You're a teacher?!'

Indy-'Part time'

..yet we know they are both involved in a motorcycle chase on campus. Either way it's cheesy, if indeed he is Indy's son, which is likely(otherwise why create a 20yr old character as his side-kick).

Well, from what I've heard,

We're introduced to Mutt when he finds Indy at the campus to tell him that Marion and professor Oxely has gone missing while searching for the lost city of gold (location of the crystal skulls), and he believes the Russians are involved. He then says that Marion's his mother. Soviet Agents break this conversation up,Thus leading to the motorcycle chase.

[Rocker22]

Have not seen this one in here:

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Mutt is not scared to punch girls.

[Rezzo]

Have not seen this one in here:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4272/indiana011a4189bnf8.jpg

Mutt is not scared to punch girls.

Was posted like 3-4 pages back.

[Rocker22]

I see it now, just slightly better quality.

[Rezzo]

Thanks for the heads up, Gotham!

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I cropped this one better in case anyone wants to save it.

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[Threshold]

The hate against Shia is totally uncalled for and completely baseless. He's a fantastic actor and a worthy actor for the role in an Indy film.

He's good at the one character he's ever played in anything.

[Jack Napier]

Not sure if the picture will turn up, but this is from TheRaider.net:
http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/screens/ij4_34.jpg

[Rezzo]

Not sure if the picture will turn up, but this is from TheRaider.net:
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Stealing another site´s bandwidth is not cool.

[pyromaniac]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-04-16-harrison-ford_N.htm

Great new picture. And ever adding to the mystery of the plot.

Wow, that was a good read.

It made me realise I'd never really understood Ford, beyond than all the news about him and Flockhart, but it helps when you read a good article, or an interview especially, to 'get to know' the person in question.

[Hunter Rider]

Stealing another site´s bandwidth is not cool.

I checked the URL, it's hosted at tiny pic.

[Rezzo]

I checked the URL, it's hosted at tiny pic.

His post is the one that has the original link, but my post has it hosted through TinyPic.

[The Chris]

Not sure if the picture will turn up, but this is from TheRaider.net:
http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/screens/ij4_34.jpg

Looks like Indy's gonna throwdown with another big dude!

[Hunter Rider]

His post is the one that has the original link, but my post has it hosted through TinyPic.

Sorry i didn't realise that, ive edited it to just a link.

[Cagefighterkip]

Looks like Indy's gonna throwdown with another big dude!

that looks freakin awesome

[Watson]

These new pics are uber fantastic. I wonder what the countdown clock is about in the picture with Indy fighting the big dude?

[Jack Napier]

Stealing another site´s bandwidth is not cool.

Sorry, dad.

For anyone wondering what the sequence what the big guy sequence is about, SPOILERS:

Go see the movie on May 22.

Even Spider-Fan will be there. :whatever:

[Rezzo]

Sorry, dad.

:cwink::cwink::cwink:

[Cagefighterkip]

These new pics are uber fantastic. I wonder what the countdown clock is about in the picture with Indy fighting the big dude?

probably that bomb... theres rumors of a bomb on a nuclear field

[Watson]

probably that bomb... theres rumors of a bomb on a nuclear field

Bomb? Whoa I missed that rumour.

[Spider-Fan]

Sorry, dad.

For anyone wondering what the sequence what the big guy sequence is about, SPOILERS:

Go see the movie on May 22.

Even Spider-Fan will be there. :whatever:

LOL...That's funny :woot:

Yes, I'll be there. Like I said, they have my money (that's the brilliance of this...even people like me who are against this movie will see it).

[Spider-Vader]

From what Lucas says a 5th movie may be coming:

Major-ish Spoiler:

And for the second time in one day we get someone saying that another Indiana Jones sequel is possible! First Harrison Ford in the interview with USA Today, and now George Lucas during the interview with CINEMA:

"First, we wait, how the new adventure reaches the audience. But I can tell this much, I myself like the idea of working on sequels, too. Why not with Harrison? His figure has aged during the years, the combination with Shia LaBeouf as his son is at least as attractive as with Sean Connery as his father in the last film. I can image a lot, there."

[Tojo]

So Shia as his son is official then? I really doubt Lucas would give that away, which makes me think the article is bulls**t.

However i'd want a 5th(and final) regardless of how well this is received. They better make it in the next couple of yrs though.

[BloodyWolverine]

Catch Me If You Can still was not that happy of a movie. It had light hearted comedy in it, but it is quite depressing. Especially when he goes looking for his father after he is told he died. This movie needs to be old school Speilberg, not depressing Speilberg. I don't go into Indy movies wanting to see something that will depress me or think how about the world can be. I want to have fun.

And ROTS was not a great movie. It was the best he could do after 2 previously horrendous movies, but the film has very glaring flaws (my biggest gripe being Palpatine was way too over-the-top in his evilness....I mean, laughing as he dangles from a Senate seat? COME ON!!!...that and some poor prequel tie-in things that were weakly done). ROTS was good, about a 6 if 5 is mediocre on a scale of 10, imo. It still showed Lucas' lack of creativity, and thus my worry when he is involved in anything now.
Again i wanna state i Know Bay Directed Tranformers but i could so see Speilbergs more humorisc up beat scifi stuff in Transfromers you can tell a Speilberg project by the looks of it and a Lucas one too but David Keopp who wrote Spiderman 1 wrote this script and i have good hopes f Lucas approved his work on his baby.
Lucas gets no love or credit Of having an imagination. Indiana was his idea and so wastn't Episodes 4,5 and 6 and too be honest 1,2 and 3 was not bad.
Speilberg has a sucess during summer box office movies so i not worried just relax and enjoy the movie. Its Indy freakin Jones here.

[The Chris]

George Lucas should get a little more respect. Yeah, two of the star wars prequels suck, yeah he should stop messing witht he old ones, but he still is the creater of maybe the biggest franchise in film history, and he is the man who created Indiana Jones. He's been with this since the beginning, and he knows probably more than anyone what Indy is all about.

Just because Spielberg hasn't done "happy" in a while doesn't mean he can't. He's just trying to grow as a filmmaker. No harm in that. That's why he's the best to me, his stuff is so different. Plus I do remember Spielberg calling this movie the sweet taste after Munich's sour one, or something like that.

[Agentsands77]

So Shia as his son is official then? I really doubt Lucas would give that away, which makes me think the article is bulls**t.
He did give it away, and the article's entirely legit. In the same article he confirms that the crystal skull is alien in origin.

[nightwing06]

Looks like Indy is going to take on another big guy

[nightwing06]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3504/002fd6gi9.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6825/001yb8.jpg
http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/4/18/f_etwquicksanm_e4b60da.jpg

[Spider-Fan]

Again i wanna state i Know Bay Directed Tranformers but i could so see Speilbergs more humorisc up beat scifi stuff in Transfromers you can tell a Speilberg project by the looks of it and a Lucas one too but David Keopp who wrote Spiderman 1 wrote this script and i have good hopes f Lucas approved his work on his baby.
Lucas gets no love or credit Of having an imagination. Indiana was his idea and so wastn't Episodes 4,5 and 6 and too be honest 1,2 and 3 was not bad.
Speilberg has a sucess during summer box office movies so i not worried just relax and enjoy the movie. Its Indy freakin Jones here.

Transformers was more Bay than Speilberg (I've been in this discussion before). Now, Koepp is a mixed bag. He did write SM1, which is an awesome movie, but he also wrote The Lost World (suckage). Now, he did write JP1, but he wrote that with Crichton, the book's author. Lucas I feel was once creative, but he has long since lost it. I am not a prequel fan (ROTS was ok, but far from great).

Like I said, we shall see :yay:

[BloodyWolverine]

Cate Blanchett as a villain is kinda appealing but i cannot recall what country her character is from i was thinking Russian but she has like Nazi looking clothes on.

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Cate Blanchett as a villain is kinda appealing but i cannot recall what country her character is from i was thinking Russian but she has like Nazi looking clothes on.

She´s Agent Irina Spalko and she´s Russian.

[BloodyWolverine]

I thought she was russian and the main villain i would assume.

[Watson]

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/4/18/f_etwquicksanm_e4b60da.jpg

The long rumoured quicksand scene!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6825/001yb8.jpg




she looks so fantastic. I am looking forward to seeing her as a villian almost as much as I am finally getting to see Indy again.


Also here is the whole EW article for those interested.

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[Nirvana]

He did give it away, and the article's entirely legit. In the same article he confirms that the crystal skull is alien in origin.

Both confirmed...very interesting.

[DoctorJones]

Now, Koepp is a mixed bag. He did write SM1, which is an awesome movie, but he also wrote The Lost World (suckage). Now, he did write JP1, but he wrote that with Crichton, the book's author.


Koepp's Spider-Man script got dreadful reviews, and he got credit despite it being Alvin Sargent's script on screen.

Secondly, Koepp wrote Jurassic Park on his own to his credit, long after Crichton and the uncredited Malia Scotch Marmo left.

Anyway, plundering the best of Stuart and Darabont's scripts gives me faith in Koepp, and it's not like an Indiana Jones film to just stick to the script. Gags and fight scenes are improvised each day during those films' shoots.

[Cagefighterkip]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3504/002fd6gi9.jpg


he looks like he did in THE LAST CRUSADE there, reminds me of the tank fight in that flick

[BloodyWolverine]

Last Crusade was my favorite Indy film mayeb its because i watched it the most. Raiders is iconic for it was teh begining but my fav was Last Crusade. Maybe because of the Sean, Harrison Pairing.

Also Last Crusade had alot of laughs in it between the Jones and had a lil of it in Temple of Doom. Harrison does dry humor but his reactions to stuff is funny.

[terry78]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6825/001yb8.jpg

This looks hotter than need be.

[TLH]

What a badass. Cate Blanchett is one hell of an actress too.

[DocHoliday]

he looks like he did in THE LAST CRUSADE there, reminds me of the tank fight in that flick

My thoughts exactly.

[Cagefighterkip]

What a badass. Cate Blanchett is one hell of an actress too.

very true
she was fantastic in IM NOT THERE...

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4734&Itemid=99

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http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4734&Itemid=99

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IESB is quite late on those pics. :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6825/001yb8.jpg


Awesome pic, i really feel Cate may end up as the best villain in the series.

[Sebastos]

Cate's character gets punched by Shia? :eek:

[Golgo-13]

Think there's gonna be some 3 way sexual tension between Kate, Marion and Indy?

[Webhead2006]

so is the film 140mins or 123mins i was reading that was the time at another site.

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so is the film 140mins or 123mins i was reading that was the time at another site.

At the moment I think the 140 minutes is official.

[Cagefighterkip]

At the moment I think the 140 minutes is official.

it is

[Agentsands77]

At the moment I think the 140 minutes is official.
Nah, it isn't official, and was taken from a comment by John Williams that was misinterpreted. The running time of KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL is a lean 123 minutes.

[Webhead2006]

darn i was hoping for 140mins would have been nice 2hr 20min run time then. So 123 mins is just about like 2hr 5min ish?

[dark_b]

darn i was hoping for 140mins would have been nice 2hr 20min run time then. So 123 mins is just about like 2hr 5min ish?

1 hour = 60 minutes.
2 hours = 120 minutes.

120 minutes + 3 minutes = 123 minutes.

123 minutes = 2 hours and 3 minutes.

:grin:

[DocHoliday]

Cate looks like a badass.

[Captain Planet!]

http://i32.tinypic.com/t5kl1i.jpg
wtf? :funny:

[pyromaniac]

1 hour = 60 minutes.
2 hours = 120 minutes.

120 minutes + 3 minutes = 123 minutes.

123 minutes = 2 hours and 3 minutes.

:grin:

I thought Web was funny too... Maybe he was hopeful?

Anyway, I'll admit I find it a bit strange to see Cate as a villain. I don't know if she's walked the dark side before. But I know she is a good actor.

[Spider-Fan]

Koepp's Spider-Man script got dreadful reviews, and he got credit despite it being Alvin Sargent's script on screen.

Secondly, Koepp wrote Jurassic Park on his own to his credit, long after Crichton and the uncredited Malia Scotch Marmo left.

Anyway, plundering the best of Stuart and Darabont's scripts gives me faith in Koepp, and it's not like an Indiana Jones film to just stick to the script. Gags and fight scenes are improvised each day during those films' shoots.

So basically, that is only making my point (minus Koepp doing JP alone when the others left).

Like I said, he is a very mixed bag.

[The Lizard]

Also here is the whole EW article for those interested.

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http://img174.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=35307_ew-0425-img151_122_914lo.jpg

http://img243.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35309_ew-0425-img152_122_560lo.jpg

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I just got that issue of EW yesterday, and I found the combined interview with George Lucas and Steven Spielberg quite interesting.

Lucas seems to come off a bit bombastic and defensive in the way he loudly laughs about not being able to satisfy movie fans. Spielberg, on the other hand, seems to be a lot more grounded and diplomatic in the way he talks about the film.
There's one part where Lucas actually tells Spielberg that he could have saved a lot of time if he had just filmed most of this new Indy movie in a green-screen studio instead of on-location. :whatever: I'm so glad Spielberg is the director here and not Lucas.

[The Kid]

Thank the maker for Spielberg. He's human. He knows he's not perfect and can use help to make his movies. Lucas meanwhile thinks he's a infallible God of film. It gets to me some times because I used to worship Lucas before he went and mucked up my fav movie franchise with his shoddy writing and directing. :csad:

[Dangerous]

Have there been any leaked reviews yet?

[Tojo]

I just got that issue of EW yesterday, and I found the combined interview with George Lucas and Steven Spielberg quite interesting.

Lucas seems to come off a bit bombastic and defensive in the way he loudly laughs about not being able to satisfy movie fans. Spielberg, on the other hand, seems to be a lot more grounded and diplomatic in the way he talks about the film.
There's one part where Lucas actually tells Spielberg that he could have saved a lot of time if he had just filmed most of this new Indy movie in a green-screen studio instead of on-location. :whatever: I'm so glad Spielberg is the director here and not Lucas.

Maybe he was joking. Lucas can be quite funny sometimes.

Atleast, i hope he was joking. I've already seen some obvious green screen stuff in the trailer. All the locations and sets in Indy looked real, or atleast like they were made of something.

[BloodyWolverine]

I thought Web was funny too... Maybe he was hopeful?

Anyway, I'll admit I find it a bit strange to see Cate as a villain. I don't know if she's walked the dark side before. But I know she is a good actor.
Yes in lord of the rings when she is tempted by th e ring a darkness comes over her. Trust me she can play a villain. Actually i hear the villian is funner to playa nd sometimes easier.

[Figs]

Hopefully Lucas was joking to Spielberg about him not using green screen to save money.

If not...F*** Lucas lol. Seriously, that guy is CGI crazy...addicted like a junky.

While I don't mind CGI when it's necessary when it's overused to the point where it's very noticable is when it gets annoying.

I don't have any complaints like some fans about the use of CGI in some of those dangerous action sequences, like where they smashing into each others vehicles near the edge of that cliff.

I recently rewatched the entire trilogy and noticed that almost every movie has scenes where it showed them racing in front of a moving screen instead of actual settings.

These scenes weren't horrible for this day and age but they were still noticable. So I don't see the complaints about them using CGI backdrops for certain dangerous scenes when they did something very similar in the original trilogy.

[dark_b]

can people give me some facts that lucas is obssesed with CGI?

it was smart to use a lot of greenscreen in the star wars prequels. it would cost a lot of money ot make those huge sets.

[Figs]

can people give me some facts that lucas is obssesed with CGI?

it was smart to use a lot of greenscreen in the star wars prequels. it would cost a lot of money ot make those huge sets.


Just read interviews with him...not to mention the fact that he overdid it with the CGI in the original Star Wars films. I understood he wanted to make the films as he originall intended, which he couldn't back then due to budget.

It's just some of the stuff was too much, he should have held back a little.

[dark_b]

ok. but thsi is star wars. just because he used a lot of CGI in the star wars movies that doesnt mena that he wants to use a CGI indiana jones in this movie. i am using this as an example of course. he didnt say this.

[The Lizard]

For example, Lucas went overboard with the Special Edition version of Mos Eisley cantina. It was nice that he was able to add some more Dewback lizards and pack animals and such to make the scenes more lively. However, there are several scenes (including the famous suspenseful "These aren't the droids you're looking for" scene) where the goofy CGI robots hovering all over the place are a distraction and mess up the original flow of the film.

But I guess those who really, really love having little CGI comedy-relief robots shoved into a film don't mind that sort of thing.

[Figs]

ok. but thsi is star wars. just because he used a lot of CGI in the star wars movies that doesnt mena that he wants to use a CGI indiana jones in this movie. i am using this as an example of course. he didnt say this.


I understand what your saying. That's why before the Star Wars example I gave I had also typed the bit about his interviews. Not just interviews about the new Indiana Jones film but older interviews as well.

He just seems to have this attitude of not liking traditional effects anymore ever.

[BloodyWolverine]

Do you guys not listen to commentary for not lucas but Knoll talks about the set that were built and how they mixed sets and cgi together. Set were mad ein teh prequel trilogies. Yoda not so much for well what he would have to do he had to be digitally done.
R2 was a mix of cgi and Kenny Bake robot so Lucas yes uses effects but he uses sets and some practical stuff.

[Tojo]

Do you guys not listen to commentary for not lucas but Knoll talks about the set that were built and how they mixed sets and cgi together. Set were mad ein teh prequel trilogies. Yoda not so much for well what he would have to do he had to be digitally done.
R2 was a mix of cgi and Kenny Bake robot so Lucas yes uses effects but he uses sets and some practical stuff.

If you've seen set pictures of the prequels then you'll see he uses the absolute bare minimum. I happen to think too much, whether it's cheaper or faster, is a distraction. I want to watch a movie not a computer game. That said, with the action, detail and sheer magnitude of the worlds they showed us in the prequels it was inevitable, or rather impossible that they wouldn't use mostly CGI. And it's Star Wars, so whatever.

Indy is set in the real world however and CGI won't fly by me. Some backdrops and minor details yes, but largely it will distract me. If Lucas was directing you know he'd throw in cgi snakes, sets etc

[The Kid]

can people give me some facts that lucas is obssesed with CGI?

it was smart to use a lot of greenscreen in the star wars prequels. it would cost a lot of money ot make those huge sets.

Because today's Lucas will want to do everything in the computer and has lost touch with the human/organic side of film that he once had a good grasp of. Examples? Facts? Well isn't it obvious? The character that got the most focus in Phantom Menace was a cartoon character. All the clone troops, robots, space ships, almost every thing was a soulless cartoon the audience had no attachment to so who cares what happens.

And I'm a firm believer that in order to really invest in the characters emotionally, they have to be real.

The Prequels are more cartoons than live action and I'd hate to see that happen with my Indy. Spielberg knows this. That's why he shot on film because it's more "alive" not cold and dead like the computers Lucas clings to because he's more machine now than man...

[DACMAN]

If you've seen set pictures of the prequels then you'll see he uses the absolute bare minimum. I happen to think too much, whether it's cheaper or faster, is a distraction. I want to watch a movie not a computer game. That said, with the action, detail and sheer magnitude of the worlds they showed us in the prequels it was inevitable, or rather impossible that they wouldn't use mostly CGI. And it's Star Wars, so whatever.

Indy is set in the real world however and CGI won't fly by me. Some backdrops and minor details yes, but largely it will distract me. If Lucas was directing you know he'd throw in cgi snakes, sets etc
CGI wip.

[Tojo]

Because today's Lucas will want to do everything in the computer and has lost touch with the human/organic side of film that he once had a good grasp of. Examples? Facts? Well isn't it obvious? The character that got the most focus in Phantom Menace was a cartoon character. All the clone troops, robots, space ships, almost every thing was a soulless cartoon the audience had no attachment to so who cares what happens.

And I'm a firm believer that in order to really invest in the characters emotionally, they have to be real.

The Prequels are more cartoons than live action and I'd hate to see that happen with my Indy. Spielberg knows this. That's why he shot on film because it's more "alive" not cold and dead like the computers Lucas clings to because he's more machine now than man...

hahaha! I agree 100% with everything you said. Apart from the space ship thing. Without cgi the battles in space couldn't have reached anywhere near it's potential. It was neccesary and looked really fun as a result.

But yeah it is hard to car about those prequels, especially since the actors don't really hold their own against a CGI gungan.

[Tojo]

the cgi whip was a rumour surely? I read that the suits wanted it to be cgi on health and safety grounds.

[BloodyWolverine]

Harrison i am sure has some say about indys character and i willing to bet that he said no cgi whip George. People are making Lucas the devil here and i say ease off a bit for they be no Indy without him or thank god Paramount.

[DocHoliday]

Lucas gets too much poo flung his way. it's to be expected though when you are as influential as him. Peter jackson better get prepared for that in years to come.

[Spider-Fan]

Lucas gets too much poo flung his way. it's to be expected though when you are as influential as him. Peter jackson better get prepared for that in years to come.

Thing is the CGI in LOTR looked FAR superior to that in the Star Wars prequels, though Kong could have looked better in King Kong (the fur looked fake specifically).

[DoctorJones]

Ford refused the CGI whip and trained for two weeks to get back into the mindset of using it. Can we stop rehasing topics? Only two hundred digital matte painting shots in this film, ok?

[scifiwolf]

I agree with DoctorJones. This topic has been beaten to death.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/balonywolf/ij4_34.jpg

[TLH]

^We've seen that situation before in Indy movies.

[Webhead2006]

yea all the crazy cgi talks should stop. Yes there is some cg shots in the film like matted backgrounds like seen in the chase scene and some other probably dangerous locales and what not. But we have been told many times in reports the film is 70% phsyical/real sets and people and 30% cgi. Also as others have said its only like around 300 shots or so i believe that are cgi which is a low number.

[블라스]

Ooooh I can't wait to see Indy kicking that guy's ass :cmad:

[Cagefighterkip]

Ooooh I can't wait to see Indy kicking that guy's ass :cmad:

or vice versa lol

[scifiwolf]

I can't wait to see what that rocket sled does. ;)

[thejon93]

So... 'Indy IV' vs. 'Postal', who will win...:whatever:
kPSAlpq893U

[Tempest19]

Just a quick question. I've been looking everywhere for the EMPIRE Indiana Jones mag. How's the best way to get one? Is there a special store that carries these? Can you get it easily online- at some place other than E-Bay?

[OctaviusINC]

So... 'Indy IV' vs. 'Postal', who will win...:whatever:
kPSAlpq893U

Pffftt. Nice try Uwe, with your reverse psychology. I think I'll take his advice and "Go Inneyana Joes".

[Spider-Vader]

I agree with that nazi...er German. Uwe is dumb, his movie won't make crap. H*ll, bet 'SATC' (which'll get beat by Indy that week) will do better.

[Cagefighterkip]

Pffftt. Nice try Uwe, with your reverse psychology. I think I'll take his advice and "Go Inneyana Joes".

isnt he german?
hes just sad indy kicked his ancestors asses in RAIDERS and CRUSADE

[Shifty]

Just a quick question. I've been looking everywhere for the EMPIRE Indiana Jones mag. How's the best way to get one? Is there a special store that carries these? Can you get it easily online- at some place other than E-Bay?

Some place that sells British or European magazines. Big bookstore?

[Frank Noir]

I hope nobody has posted this yet: an early review (from DarkHorizons). It's VERY positive.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/jonesah_mr_jone.php

[Prefix]

isnt he german?
hes just sad indy kicked his ancestors asses in RAIDERS and CRUSADE
:dry:

[DoctorJones]

I can't wait to see what that rocket sled does. ;)

Me too, if they keep that whole part of the 1995 script.

[BloodyWolverine]

I hope nobody has posted this yet: an early review (from DarkHorizons). It's VERY positive.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/jonesah_mr_jone.php

I wonder how he got to see the film and review it already. Its pretty neat to hear its the better of teh sequels. If it is indeed better then Last Crusade then i am there. Anything Indy i would seen it for i missed teh first 3 in theators i am not missing this one.

[The Lizard]

News report: Crystal skulls are pretty much debunked as being ancient artifacts at this point...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080418/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilmcannesindianajonesskull

Scientific tests show they're most likely made in the late 19th century, not ancient Central America, and they were sold by an art dealer well known for dealing in frauds.

Free publicity for the Indy movie is good, but kind of unfortunate that the main item the movie revolves around is held up to be phony.

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[scifiwolf]

No, I was gonna try and do it when I wasn't in between classes later on. God, I'm loving the look of the movie. It looks like the first movie of its kind that Steven has done since The Lost World.

[Golgo-13]

I'm gonna start avoiding this thread. With all the goodies being released i don't wanna be too spoiled. :up:

[DoctorJones]

Free publicity for the Indy movie is good, but kind of unfortunate that the main item the movie revolves around is held up to be phony.

I asked the British Museum straight up about the authenticity of the artifacts: it's a fake, but a valuable fake. And nonetheless, the Holy Grail's still just a cup; the Ark is just a gold box, and the Sankara Stones/Shiva lingams are still sculptures.

And those new photos look good.

[The Apatow Crew]

So... 'Indy IV' vs. 'Postal', who will win...:whatever:
kPSAlpq893Ulol i like how he feels the need tp swearall the time.

[TLH]

Great set pictures. Hard to stop looking.

[Hunter Rider]

http://i26.tinypic.com/2dad6xf.jpg

[Threshold]

Despite my hesitancy to jump on the Indy IV bandwagon, it's sooo good seeing Harrison Ford back in this character.

[Watson]

I'm gonna start avoiding this thread. With all the goodies being released i don't wanna be too spoiled. :up:

I want to but it's so hard to stop getting the info :(


The new pics look great!

[Rezzo]

Click on them to see the full size.

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[Spider-Fan]

News report: Crystal skulls are pretty much debunked as being ancient artifacts at this point...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080418/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilmcannesindianajonesskull

Scientific tests show they're most likely made in the late 19th century, not ancient Central America, and they were sold by an art dealer well known for dealing in frauds.

Free publicity for the Indy movie is good, but kind of unfortunate that the main item the movie revolves around is held up to be phony.

That does hurt the credability of Indy's findings in the movie a lot.

[Gold Samurai]

I hope nobody has posted this yet: an early review (from DarkHorizons). It's VERY positive.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/jonesah_mr_jone.php


Sounds plant-ish

* The best Indy sequel by far
* The best performance by Ford so far
* Incredible action sequences
* The best villain in Cate Blanchett
* The best ending to an Indy film

Here's another review with TONS of spoilers
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156477673&blogID=381635860

[Tojo]

yep, gonna stay away from those reviews and anymore photos. I want to watch this film without any more knowledge.

Had a dream about Indiana Jones last night. It was set in Texas or Kansas on a small ranch. Indy and Mutt were there. This strange organism appeared out of nowhere and basically took over people. it was like a snake skin, and once it was attached to you it started covering the whole surface of your body and didn't stop. It was disgusting. It got on Mutts foot and him and Indy had some banter. Weird dream lol.

[Rocker22]

The new pictures are looking good.

[dark_b]

Click on them to see the full size.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2r6ilq1.jpg (http://i32.tinypic.com/200rciq.jpg)

so when they filmed it looked like this in the background? no way.

[Webhead2006]

Sweet new pics and all that. And the article about the skulls are phony in real life has been long thought to be right. Or for all we know some could be real from acient times and others recreated only a few hundred years ago. Fakes happen all the time. And those pics mostly came from this link SPOILER WARNING: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156477673&blogID=381635860

[Gold Samurai]

And those pics mostly came from this link SPOILER WARNING: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156477673&blogID=381635860

Yeah I posted the link up above. I wonder when that blog will be shut down by paramount