Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[DarknessOfDeath]

The Ark of the Covenant was mentioned in Last Crusade. The German doctor asked him what one of the drawings on the wall of the tomb of knight was, and he said the ark of the covenant.


yeah... but that was only one connection. :p

still no mention of Marion... I love Karen Allen. :o:hehe:

[Bim]

I enjoyed that part hehe.
Hilarious.
"say: grab the rope!" :hehe: everyone was laughing their butts off in this scene.

[Spider-Fan]

yeah... but that was only one connection. :p

still no mention of Marion... I love Karen Allen. :o:hehe:

But you said there was no connection...I just had to correct you :cwink:

[DarknessOfDeath]

But you said there was no connection...I just had to correct you :cwink:


Well I've watched temple of doom twice this week; Raiders and Last Crusade once but TOD is still fresh in my mind so obviously I missed that connection you mentioned, Spider-Fan. Sorry... but again thats only one connection so far through out the entire trilogy whereas Skulls had plenty.

[GhostPoet]

I really liked how it had a sci-fi element to it. But still had history as well. As, like others mentioned Aliens are pretty grounded in world history.

[The Guardian]

Harrison Ford strikes me as the type who can just jump on a motorcycle and start riding, regardless of if he has had any training to ride a motorcycle. In doing so he impregnates 8 women without even touching them. He is just THAT bad ass.

LOL, I'M SURE HE COULD, LOL!!!:D:up: TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PEOPLE GIVING THE MOVIE A 10, I GAVE IT A 10!!!:o:oldrazz: BUT NOT BECAUSE I'M BLIND TO THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE HAS FLAWS, OR BECAUSE MY STANDARDS ARE LOWER THAN ANYONE ELSE IS!!! I GIVE A MOVIE ITS SCORE BASED ON HOW MUCH FUN I HAD WHILE I WAS WATCHING IT AND WITH INDY I HAD A BLAST!!! I DON'T LEAVE MY BRAIN AT THE DOOR BUT I DON'T LET IT SEEP INTO REALITY SO MUCH THAT IT DROWNS OUT THE FUN OF THE MOVIE!!! NOW I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD ACCEPT THE RIDICULOUS JUST TO ENJOY A MOVIE IF IT'S JUST NOT YOU, BUT SINCE MY LIFE IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS:oldrazz: IT'S VERY EASY FOR ME TO OVERLOOK IT WHEN IT COMES TO FILMS OR ENTERTAINMENT!!!:D:up:

[Mr. Socko]

Like the old saying goes "People will believe the impossible but not the implausible."

Kinda like in Temple of Doom, to this day people still talk about how stupid it was that the mine cart leaped over the first set of tracks and landed exactly on the second set of tracks while continuing to keep it's momentum. Yet no one complains about how impossible Mola Ram's heart-ripping scenes were.

[mathhater]

Aliens are grounded in history, just as much as the angels of the Lord in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I disagree. The Ark of the Covenant for example is an item that has had great historical significance for many peoples of the world. Whether you believe in it's divinity or not is irrelevant, the item itself has a basis in history and our culture. And while you may or may not believe in angels, that was an element that was historically tied to this item.

But aliens just don't hold quite that same status in our culture. Religion goes hand in hand with history, which is why I didn't mind the supernatural elements found in the previous films. But aliens & spaceships go hand in hand with science fiction and in my opinion, feel out of place in Indy stories.

Just in short, I have an easier time seeing an archeologist going after religious artifacts over inter-dimensional ones.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I really liked how it had a sci-fi element to it. But still had history as well. As, like others mentioned Aliens are pretty grounded in world history.


Me too

but my friend whom I went to see it with, kept saying "Like the whole Alien story line has been done before in other movies like Independence Day, Men In Black..." she also said it wasn't very Indiana Jones...like when he was searching for the crystal skull...

I don't think she caught on the moments/connections that were shown throughout to connect this movie and the first three... Why? Cause she hasn't seen the first three in a long time to get what was going on.

For me, I caught on pretty quick cause I had already seen the movies plenty of times over the last 15 years to get the connections and moments.

I can agree perhaps the Alien plot line was a bit out there in terms of being in a Indiana Jones movie, but what else can I say? Obviously, the story was set 20 years later after Last Crusade and the area 51 happened in the late 50's/early 60's so that didn't really bother me cause I knew the timeline was going to be set during that period...

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I disagree. The Ark of the Covenant for example is an item that has had great historical significance for many peoples of the world.And legends of "magical" beings, coming down, from the sky, in "fiery, flying chariots", and abducting people, mating with them, and teaching humans about technology, have had great historical significance for many peoples of the world. EVERY culture.
Simple-minded, ignorant people of the past called them "gods". Makes more sense that they were just another species that evolved on another planet or in another dimension, that started developing before we did, and so, was more advanced, and therefore appeared to be "magical".

It is awesome. What a career high for Indy. Instead of just seeing their minions, or "angels", and the magic they've set forth from afar, he got to see the SOURCE of all the legends!
What a dream come true for an archaeologist nearing the end of his life.

[블라스]

LOL, I'M SURE HE COULD, LOL!!!:D:up: TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PEOPLE GIVING THE MOVIE A 10, I GAVE IT A 10!!!:oBUT NOT BECAUSE I'M BLIND TO THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE HAS FLAWS, OR BECAUSE MY STANDARDS ARE LOWER THAN ANYONE ELSE IS!!! I GIVE A MOVIE ITS SCORE BASED ON HOW MUCH FUN I HAD WHILE I WAS WATCHING IT AND WITH INDY I HAD A BLAST!!! I DON'T LEAVE MY BRAIN AT THE DOOR BUT I DON'T LET IT SEEP INTO REALITY SO MUCH THAT IT DROWNS OUT THE FUN OF THE MOVIE!!! NOW I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD ACCEPT THE RIDICULOUS JUST TO ENJOY A MOVIE IF IT'S JUST NOT YOU, BUT SINCE MY LIFE IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUSIT'S VERY EASY FOR ME TO OVERLOOK IT WHEN IT COMES TO FILMS OR ENTERTAINMENT!!!:D:up:


I also gave it a 10/10 :up: :up:
Of course the movie has flaws, there's no perfect movie.
I just had a hell of a time, and that's why I love adventure/action movies.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I also gave it a 10/10 :up: :up:
Of course the movie has flaws, there's no perfect movie.
I just had a hell of a time, and that's why I love adventure/action movies.

Glad you agree cause the other three weren't even that perfect so why should this one be any perfect? All of em have flaws but I like em cause of the adventure, fun and excitement. :)

[cerealkiller182]

And legends of "magical" beings, coming down, from the sky, in "fiery, flying chariots", and abducting people, mating with them, and teaching humans about technology, have had great historical significance for many peoples of the world. EVERY culture.
Simple-minded, ignorant people of the past called them "gods". Makes more sense that they were just another species that evolved on another planet or in another dimension, that started developing before we did, and so, was more advanced, and therefore appeared to be "magical".

It is awesome. What a career high for Indy. Instead of just seeing their minions, or "angels", and the magic they've set forth from afar, he got to see the SOURCE of all the legends!
What a dream come true for an archaeologist nearing the end of his life.

Even though you only reiterated what so many people have said, i think you said it best.

[GhostPoet]

Glad you agree cause the other three weren't even that perfect so why should this one be any perfect? All of em have flaws but I like em cause of the adventure, fun and excitement. :)

Exactly...I watched the first three this week and saw PLENTY of big flaws. But it didn't stop me from having fun and enjoying the movies AT ALL. :)

[블라스]

Agent and Ghost: Hell yeah :up:

[mathhater]

And legends of "magical" beings, coming down, from the sky, in "fiery, flying chariots", and abducting people, mating with them, and teaching humans about technology, have had great historical significance for many peoples of the world. EVERY culture.
Simple-minded, ignorant people of the past called them "gods". Makes more sense that they were just another species that evolved on another planet or in another dimension, that started developing before we did, and so, was more advanced, and therefore appeared to be "magical".

It is awesome. What a career high for Indy. Instead of just seeing their minions, or "angels", and the magic they've set forth from afar, he got to see the SOURCE of all the legends!
What a dream come true for an archaeologist nearing the end of his life.

Fair enough. I'm just glad this wasn't as big a turnoff for others as it was for me. But bottom line, it was just easier for me to accept stories over what was basically a gold box, some rocks, and a cup, as opposed to telepathic alien skulls and a giant flying saucer. I mean, that's my gripe in a nutshell.

[DarknessOfDeath]

And legends of "magical" beings, coming down, from the sky, in "fiery, flying chariots", and abducting people, mating with them, and teaching humans about technology, have had great historical significance for many peoples of the world. EVERY culture.
Simple-minded, ignorant people of the past called them "gods". Makes more sense that they were just another species that evolved on another planet or in another dimension, that started developing before we did, and so, was more advanced, and therefore appeared to be "magical".

It is awesome. What a career high for Indy. Instead of just seeing their minions, or "angels", and the magic they've set forth from afar, he got to see the SOURCE of all the legends!
What a dream come true for an archaeologist nearing the end of his life.

No one quite like you could have said it any better. I wish I could explain that to my friend...but Im not gonna push it.

Even though you only reiterated what so many people have said, i think you said it best.

I agree.

Exactly...I watched the first three this week and saw PLENTY of big flaws. But it didn't stop me from having fun and enjoying the movies AT ALL. :)

:) Yay

Agent and Ghost: Hell yeah :up:

lols :up:

I love the part when Marion tells Indy about Mutt being his son. haha.

[Shifty]

'Jones' grosses $25 mil on Thursday
Film opens with strong start
By PAMELA MCCLINTOCK
Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117986369.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)

Steven Spielberg's "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" posted a domestic gross of nearly $25 million from 4,260 theaters as it opened Thursday in a strong, but not record-breaking, start.

Looking to take advantage of the long Memorial Day holiday, Paramount decided to unspool the tentpole one day early and go out on Thursday, meaning a five-day opening. Par is distributing the film -- which opened day-and-date around the globe -- on behalf of George Lucas' Lucasfilm.

Toplining Harrison Ford, "Crystal Skull" marks the return of Spielberg's classic action-adventure franchise to the bigscreen after nearly 20 years. Film has been tracking strongly, particularly among older adults.

All along, the challenge for Par has been to whip up interest among younger auds who didn't grow up on the first three "Indiana Jones" movies.

"Crystal Skull" scored the fourth best Thursday opening ever after Lucas' "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," which grossed a whopping $50 million in its opening day, "The Matrix Reloaded," which grossed $42.5 million, and "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones," which grossed $30.1 million. Those three films likewise all opened in May.

Film got off to a strong start in France and Belgium, grossing $2.2 million as it opened in theaters there Wednesday. International numbers for Thursday weren't available as of Friday morning.

"Crystal Skull" also stars Cate Blanchett, Shia LaBeouf, Karen Allen and Ray Winstone.

(Dave McNary contributed to this report.)

A little lower than I thought it would be.

[cerealkiller182]

I want to see Indy and Mac during the war. Maybe a comic series.

[War Party]

That gross is pretty close to what I said for Thurs. I predicted $30 million.

[GhostPoet]

Pretty good for a thursday. Considering I don't know anyone who will go see a movie on a thursday...everyone seems to have the same comment. "Thursday seems like a weird time to open a movie" I agree. I'll normally only see a movie on a friday or saturday. Guess we'll see how it goes today. Friday is the real test of staying power.

[Symbiotic]

$25 mil's good I guess, thought I must say I'm surprised it didn't get more.

[DarknessOfDeath]

That gross is pretty close to what I said for Thurs. I predicted $30 million.


Not bad for a start... I mean thats only for one night but Fridays are always busy for those who generally go see movies before the weekend.

[블라스]

I really loved how Indy mentioned his "War Spy" times :up:
That made him even more badass :D

[Gamma Ray]

Who is that idiot who kept saying it made 50 mil?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I really loved how Indy mentioned his "War Spy" times :up:
That made him even more badass :D


when?

I didn't get the "I like Ike" part...

[mathhater]

^ kids today...and your music...and make-out parties...

It was the nickname for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, used during his 1952 presidential campaign.

[cerealkiller182]

when?

I didn't get the "I like Ike" part...

President Isenhower (sp?)

[Dark Donnie]

Who is that idiot who kept saying it made 50 mil?

no clue, one site reported $25-30 yesterday, and $2 Mil Wed

[Shifty]

when?

I didn't get the "I like Ike" part...

When the FBI was interrogating him and conversations with Mac.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services

va5Btg4kkUE

McCain was 16 when that aired.

[DarknessOfDeath]

^ kids today...and your music...and make-out parties...

It was the nickname for President Dwight D. Eisenhower.


Okay. I thought it was another connection I missed from the other three movies...

makes sense.

[Gamma Ray]

I didn't think it was possible to not "get" I Like Ike, as long as you have an elementary school education...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5Btg4kkUE

[블라스]

when?

I didn't get the "I like Ike" part...


Well, when Mac betrayed him, and he was all "When we were spying, and you were with the OSS, etc....".

And then when the CIA gets him because they think Indy's a commie, and then General Ross comes and he's all like "Boys, you don't know who you're messing with here, this guy's got so many medals, etc, etc", remember? :cwink:

I also believe he calls Indy a militar ranking of some sort, am I wrong? :huh:

[DieSmiling]

I didn't think it was possible to not "get" I Like Ike, as long as you have an elementary school education...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5Btg4kkUE

Well he's Canadian. I can understand why he wouldn't get it.

[Bim]

Yeah, i'm not from USA either, i figured he meant the president, but good to know for sure :woot:

[SuperDaniel]

Before starting my review i have to say that my 3 favorite heroes of my childhood is Superman, Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones.

I`m not going to get into Star Wars but 2 years a go i went to see Superman for the first time in the theaters and left incredibly disappointed. The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was going to be the first time i would watch an Indiana Jones movie in the theaters too. I just didnt want to be disappointed again...

Saw it last night and the theater was packed here in Sao Paulo, Brazil and i`m glad to say that this movie was to me the 2nd best in the series. My favorite is Last Crusade. I never really liked Raiders. Yes! I said it! It is just because it was the last of the series i saw. I really hate the ending with the rays from god and the cheesy effects..

Now back to KofCS...

I thought that the snake scene was one of the most hilarious sequences I've seen in a Indiana Jones movie. It was just genius. Or even Marion`s face when Indy says "but none of them were you." That smile was perfect.

I was really afraid of how they were going to handle Indy having a son. Superman Returns had that and it DIDNT WORK at all for me. But it works here, Thank god! They used the humour side of it and i loved it.

The action scenes were amazing. Spielberg is a genius with camera work. He just knows how to make an action scene so fun and put humor into it.

People complain about Indy surviving a nuclear blast, the swinging like Tarzan but i thought they were as corny and over the top as some scenes from the other movies.

I for one loved the aliens story. The fact that they came here in the past IS part of the culture and it`s been shown in many books like "Were gods astronauts?". It is one of the mysteries of mankind. I just loved the line in the end when Indy said knowledge was their gold. It makes perfect sense and in theme with the movie. Who is Indiana Jones? An archeologist. A man in seek for knowledge.

Anyways, i had as much fun as i hoped from an Indiana Jones movie. Thank you Spielberg , Lucas and Harrison for bringing back the feeling i felt when watching an Indiana Jones when i was a kid. Something Bryan Singer couldn`t do with Superman.

My two cents.

[mathhater]

Well he's Canadian. I can understand why he wouldn't get it.

^ Understandable...

[블라스]

I'm Mexican and I knew about Ike :cmad:
But then again, I really like WW2 stuff :dry:

[Shifty]

Well he's Canadian. I can understand why he wouldn't get it.

We still learn world history.

And get The Simpsons.

Homer Simpson: President Eisenhower celebrates 40th wedding anniversary. Not pictured: Mrs. Eisenhower.

[GhostPoet]

Superdaniel, big props for your review! It really said everything I felt about it.

[DarknessOfDeath]

pardon me, but I wasn't much of a history buff in high school...

[Excel]

Back to Box office dissappoints between this in Narnia....not good.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Before starting my review i have to say that my 3 favorite heroes of my childhood is Superman, Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones.

I`m not going to get into Star Wars but 2 years a go i went to see Superman for the first time in the theaters and left incredibly disappointed. The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was going to be the first time i would watch an Indiana Jones movie in the theaters too. I just didnt want to be disappointed again...

Saw it last night and the theater was packed here in Sao Paulo, Brazil and i`m glad to say that this movie was to me the 2nd best in the series. My favorite is Last Crusade. I never really liked Raiders. Yes! I said it! It is just because it was the last of the series i saw. I really hate the ending with the rays from god and the cheesy effects..

Now back to KofCS...

I thought that the snake scene was one of the most hilarious sequences I've seen in a Indiana Jones movie. It was just genius. Or even Marion`s face when Indy says "but none of them were you." That smile was perfect.

I was really afraid of how they were going to handle Indy having a son. Superman Returns had that and it DIDNT WORK at all for me. But it works here, Thank god! They used the humour side of it and i loved it.

The action scenes were amazing. Spielberg is a genius with camera work. He just knows how to make an action scene so fun and put humor into it.

People complain about Indy surviving a nuclear blast, the swinging like Tarzan but i thought they were as corny and over the top as some scenes from the other movies.

I for one loved the aliens story. The fact that they came here in the past IS part of the culture and it`s been shown in many books like "Were gods astronauts?". It is one of the mysteries of mankind. I just loved the line in the end when Indy said knowledge was their gold. It makes perfect sense and in theme with the movie. Who is Indiana Jones? An archeologist. A man in seek for knowledge.

Anyways, i had as much fun as i hoped from an Indiana Jones movie. Thank you Spielberg , Lucas and Harrison for bringing back the feeling i felt when watching an Indiana Jones when i was a kid. Something Bryan Singer couldn`t do with Superman.

My two cents.


Honest review...

man, I need to watch it again.

[Figs]

when?

I didn't get the "I like Ike" part...


You can also see that statement printed/written on the bomb before it drops.

[Kanon]

Also "I like Ike" was painted on the atomic bomb

[Figs]

Also "I like Ike" was painted on the atomic bomb


I just said that.:woot:

[Kanon]

oops :p

[The Chris]

Just saw it. Loved it. Big time. Probably my third favorite in the series right now, but could get higher on dvd.

[Shifty]

For the box office numbers: Well this will have an older audience so many of them are working on Thursday/Friday. Not like Spider-Man or Star Wars.

Paramount should have re-released the 3 films ala the Star Wars Special Editions to try and establish a younger fanbase prior to the release. The weekend should be much stronger and have longer legs than the usual summer blockbuster simply because its a 28 year old franchise.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well the experience for me was...well honestly, the theater wasn't heated so I kept getting the chills and my legs felt stiff. I'm thinking of seeing this movie two more times: by myself and with my parents.

Plus I had a headache - which meant I didn't eat enough and I didn't get very much sleep either.

[Dark Donnie]

Back to Box office dissappoints between this in Narnia....not good.

Don't know about that, one site projected it at $125 Mil by tuesday

[The Guardian]

Who is that idiot who kept saying it made 50 mil?

I WAS THE ONE WHO POSTED IT, BUT I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING WHAT THEY SAID ON ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT AND I RESENT BEING CALLED AN IDIOT FOR MAKING AN HONEST MISTAKE!!!:rolleyes:

[Joker]

There's a lot of denial in this thread and just remember, the real healing doesn't begin until you accept reality head-on. Until then, I wish you gentlemen the best of luck on your road to recovery and who knows-maybe down the road there actually will be that worthwhile Indy movie. I know I'd love to see it, just like the old days.

Best Wishes,
Kakihara

Or maybe we actually did like the movie, and you're just being a troll?

[Matt Murdock]

PEOPLE.
We all need to learn (especially when giving our reviews) that this movie premiered yesterday. There are, probably, many people who have yet to see it. For the sake of your other hypesters, USE SPOILER TAGS!

[Matt Murdock]

There's a lot of denial in this thread and just remember, the real healing doesn't begin until you accept reality head-on. Until then, I wish you gentlemen the best of luck on your road to recovery and who knows-maybe down the road there actually will be that worthwhile Indy movie. I know I'd love to see it, just like the old days.

Best Wishes,
Kakihara

How's the weather on your pedestal?

[chaseter]

Alright…just got back from seeing this movie and here is my review:

The movie starts off (no the prairie dogs were not lame and were actually quite funny amidst all the action) with a bang, great suspense and of course a great introduction to our villains. Cate Blanchet is of course wonderful as the kinky/bondage seductress Russian Irina, a psychic bent on bringing back Stalin some mind control goodies. The first big fight as seen in the trailers is at the governmental warehouse where our plot and treasure is quickly introduced. As Indy makes an escape (look for an open box from a previous film…wink wink), a scene in which he enters is extremely hilarious as the lifeless town is prepared for a test. Although he hides in a lead laden fridge, the possibility of him surviving the long travel in it is a little over the top.

We are then introduced to Mutt in the second act and Shia does a good job amidst the bigger names and I give him credit for this even though I personally hate him…and guess what role he plays??? The amusing side kick of course…who would-a –thought? But I saw that coming. After the FBI is on high ‘Red’ alert, we see how 50’s America is shaping up amidst the Cold War and our duo is off to South America to find Mutt’s mother and answer the big question to the mystery at the end of Indy’s whip. Through a little archeological work, and grave robbing!...a great action scene happens in the jungle as Mutt, Mary (she goes by another name), Indy, and the Oxley fumble against the Russians for control of an artifact. Once again, a great Indiana Jones fight scene ensues, the best out of the entire series I must say and visually spectacular as well. The ants as others mentions were great, compelling, and damn creepy. However, another corny scene mucks up this act in the form of a swinging Mutt and guerrilla…I mean monkey task force. Another George Lucas moment in fact that seems to cut away from the thing at hand.

The last part of the film is great as it involves all the good ‘ole mystery solving from the past Indy films. I don’t want to give much away through a character/plot twist but the ending wasn’t what I expected. I loved the plot of the crystal skulls but showing the real alien was a bit too much for me. I think it would have been great to just show the room start to spin and the skulls destroy her…not morphing into a live alien But that is just me. A few minor/corny moments amidst all the great action, funny dialogue, and campy humor that we have all come to expect. Is this the best movie of the franchise…no but it fits in great with the series and ties up all the loose ends from the previous movies without making horrible or fake feeling character connections. Ford was great again but he did seem a bit out of it from his past performances as Indy. But it was great to see him do a lot of his own stunts. Anyways, I rate this better than Temple, God I hate Short Round, and on par with Crusade. Great movie, great time.

8.5/10

I would say this was one of the few franchises to survive the trilogy curse and can now be said to have moved into the 4 film hall of fame.
I thought my review was quite witty and good and nobody mentioned it:csad: because everyone is petty arguing in here:o:csad:

[Joker]

I thought my review was quite witty and good and nobody mentioned it:csad: because everyone is petty arguing in here:o:csad:

I only read the score, saw you werent some whiney fanboy making stupid claims about it, and decided to leave you alone cause you're on our side ;)

[black_dust]

PEOPLE.
We all need to learn (especially when giving our reviews) that this movie premiered yesterday. There are, probably, many people who have yet to see it. For the sake of your other hypesters, USE SPOILER TAGS!

If they have any sense they wouldnt come in the thread, ive stayed out of here for a year to keep my self from seeing anything that could spoil the film

[chaseter]

I only read the score, saw you werent some whiney fanboy making stupid claims about it, and decided to leave you alone cause you're on our side ;)
But I said 'Red' alert and guerrila...monkey task force:o:csad:

I thought those were clever:csad: But yes, I really enjoyed the movie.

[The Man of Steel]

Back from my second time of watching of the film :D

[xero1186]

I figured it out! I know what it was that has this movie standing aside from the other three.

The first three Indy movies dealt with religion. This movie did but the context of which they used aliens in this movies shows that they had started civilizations and taught them how to live contradicts the fact that the ark and the grail prove christianity in 1&3. The whole time I felt like science and religion where smashing heads when I thought about the series as a whole.

things i liked

1. Blow dart scene
2. killer ants
3. fencing
4.Shia NOT getting the hat at the end.
5. the janitor from scrubs was an fbi agent
6. snake scene


Things i didnt like

1. Tarzan scene
2. Marriage
3. refridgerator
4. Obnoxious saucer spaceship at the end
5. He didnt shoot anyone.

[The Guard]

I'm one of those people who insists on pacing, plotting, characterterization, etc. A movie has GOT to have those elements almost perfect for me to consider it a great film.

Except when it comes to Indiana Jones movies. Because none of them have ever been perfect films, on any level. They are serials. Incredibly well made and well executed serial movies, but serial movies nonetheless. They're about fun and adventure and intrigue. And they are populated with larger than life serial villains, larger than life situations, the arcane and the odd. These movies are throwbacks, and always have been, and while I recognize their "flaws", I love them just the same. You want to whine about character development? Be fair about it, then. Since when did the prior Indiana Jones movies EVER have what passes for appropriate character development today? If one cannot see the "flaws" in prior movies, they are deluding themselves. And complaining about this movie's "realism" compared to previous movies is absurd. Half the POINT of Indiana Jones is that he uncovers the unknown and the mysterious.

So I just flat out loved it. If you didn't enjoy this movie on some human level, then you either are not human, not an Indiana Jones fan, or you cannot reconcile the fact that he's older. The entire movie feels like a love letter to the previous movies, while carving out a new direction for Indiana Jones and his family. This was easily an Indiana Jones movie. It was every bit as well written and clever and involved as any Indiana Jones movie that there's ever been, perhaps moreso. There was never a terrible amount of "substance" to the previous franchise. Pretending that every plot point must make sense or completely "serve the plot" is just absurd. The movie featured the same kinds of random "danger" plot points that every Indiana Jones movie or story has had so far. And they were fantastic.

I was a bit concerned when Ford first appeared onscreen that he wasn't going to pull it off. And at first, he didn't. And then, little by little, you see him start to slip back into it, into the old mannerisms, the speech patterns, the little half grins here and there. And he was Indiana Jones again. An older man, certainly, but that is every bit the Indiana Jones seen in the previous movies.

All in all, this movie has too many fantastic moments to be anything but a good movie. It is also a hilarious movie. Easily the funniest of the franchise. Ford was almost note perfect with almost every delivery he had.

"Damn, I thought that was closer!"

"Why didn't you make him finish school!?!"

Just classic, classic stuff. The rest of the actors do a fine job as well, ridiculous accents (that's the POINT) or not. The dialogue in the movie isn't brilliant (was it ever?), but it is oh so appropriate. And there are so many fantastic moments where the filmmakers managed to find true humor. Not fart jokes and sex jokes, but real, old fashioned humor. The nuclear testing grounds, the motorcycle chase and the library, the drysand pit with the "son revalation" and the "snake" moment, the waterfalls, you name it.

The movie hits one major speedbump in the middle when George Lucas just cannot control himself and we are treated to Mutt swashbuckling while stuck between two speeding vehicles and getting hit in the balls, and then swinging around on vines at impossible speeds. That is admittedly a bit hard to swallow. But the rest of the movie...it's just nigh perfection. The cinematograpy was definitely different, but not really all that unwelcome. And the music...the music was as good as anything I've heard from John Williams in years. It absolutely elevated the story and the emotional moments in it.

The stuff between Indy and Marion was great. The interaction between Jones and the "double agent" was fantastic. The nods to Marcus and Indiana's father are very much appreciated. Seeing the Ark is hilarious, seeing it sort of just ignored in all the chaos. The action is great. The fight between Indiana Jones and the Russian commander is one of the best I've seen on film.

And in particular, the end with Mutt symbolically almost putting on the hat was just priceless.

I see some talk about how this movie didn't feature religious themes. It most certainly did. The Nazca Indians saw the aliens as their gods. That's probably why the original title was INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE GODS. And if you don't believe that aliens have been a part of history, you haven't studied history closely enough. A number of the ancient tribes appear to have had some thing to do with extraterrestrials at one point or another.

I'm not going to bother to rank it. That really defeats the purpose of enjoying a movie. This movie has elements I wish the previous ones had, and the previous ones had elements I wish this one had. But an Indiana Jones movie is an Indiana Jones movie. And this was a very good one. I'm all for another one, if they can find the right storyline.

They don't make movies like this anymore. Maybe they'll start doing it again.

[The Guardian]

I thought my review was quite witty and good and nobody mentioned it:csad: because everyone is petty arguing in here:o:csad:

AT LEAST SOMEONE(GAMMA RAY):rolleyes: DIDN'T CALL YOU AN IDIOT FOR MAKING A SIMPLE MISTAKE!!!:(:oldrazz::D

[Joker]

I'm one of those people who insists on pacing, plotting, characterterization, etc. A movie has GOT to have those elements almost perfect for me to consider it a great film.

Except when it comes to Indiana Jones movies. Because none of them have ever been perfect films, on any level. They are serials. Incredibly well made and well executed serial movies, but serial movies nonetheless. They're about fun and adventure and intrigue. And they are populated with larger than life serial villains, larger than life situations, the arcane and the odd. These movies are throwbacks, and always have been, and while I recognize their "flaws", I love them just the same. You want to whine about character development? Be fair about it, then. Since when did the prior Indiana Jones movies EVER have what passes for appropriate character development today? If one cannot see the "flaws" in prior movies, they are deluding themselves. And complaining about this movie's "realism" compared to previous movies is absurd. Half the POINT of Indiana Jones is that he uncovers the unknown and the mysterious.

So I just flat out loved it. If you didn't enjoy this movie on some human level, then you either are not human, not an Indiana Jones fan, or you cannot reconcile the fact that he's older. The entire movie feels like a love letter to the previous movies, while carving out a new direction for Indiana Jones and his family. This was easily an Indiana Jones movie. It was every bit as well written and clever and involved as any Indiana Jones movie that there's ever been, perhaps moreso. There was never a terrible amount of "substance" to the previous franchise. Pretending that every plot point must make sense or completely "serve the plot" is just absurd. The movie featured the same kinds of random "danger" plot points that every Indiana Jones movie or story has had so far. And they were fantastic.

All in all, this movie has too many fantastic moments to be anything but a good movie. It is also a hilarious movie. Easily the funniest of the franchise. Ford was note perfect with almost every delivery he had.

"Damn, I thought that was closer"

"Why didn't you make him finish school?"

The rest of the actors do a fine job as well, ridiculous accents (that's the POINT) or not. The dialogue in the movie isn't brilliant (was it ever?), but it is oh so appropriate. And there are so many fantastic moments where the filmmakers managed to find true humor. Not fart jokes and sex jokes, but real, old fashioned humor. The motorcycle chase and the library, the drysand pit with the "son revalation" and the "snake" moment, the waterfalls, you name it.

The movie hits one speedbump in the middle when George Lucas just cannot control himself and we are treated to Mutt swashbuckling while stuck between two speeding tanks, and then swinging around on vines. That's a bit hard to swallow. But the rest of the movie...is near perfection. The cinematograpy was definitely different, but not unwelcome. And the music...the music was as good as anything I've heard from John Williams in years. It absolutely elevated the story and the emotional moments in it.

In particular, the end with Mutt almost putting on the hat was just priceless.

I see some talk about how this movie didn't feature religious themes. It most certainly did. The Nazca Indians saw the aliens as their gods. That's probably why the original title was INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE GODS. And if you don't believe that aliens have been a part of history, you haven't studied history closely enough. A number of the ancient tribes appear to have had some thing to do with extraterrestrials at one point or another.

I'm not going to bother to rank it. That really defeats the purpose of enjoying a movie. This movie has elements I wish the previous ones had, and the previous ones had elements I wish this one had. But an Indiana Jones movie is an Indiana Jones movie. And this was a very good one. I'm all for another one, if they can find the right storyline.

Let's run away together :heart:

[cerealkiller182]

Things i didnt like

1. Tarzan scene
2. Marriage
3. refridgerator
4. Obnoxious saucer spaceship at the end
5. He didnt shoot anyone.


Damn, i didnt even notice he didnt shoot anyone

[The Chris]

1. Raiders
2. Crusade
3. Kingdom
4. Temple

That's how I rank em. Best, most fun movie series around.

The epitomy of summer fun. Had a huge smile through out the whole movie, especially the jungle chase

[chaseter]

I must say that the jungle fight scene was incredible and lasted like 10 minutes.

[xero1186]

Its great that they had aliens as their gods but that really clusterF***s things when you also have the ark and grail in the equation.

[Joker]

I think my favorite action scene was the motorcycle chase, but I really liked all the set-pieces.

[Joker]

Its great that they had aliens as their gods but that really clusterF***s things when you also have the ark and grail in the equation.

The aliens came and jumpstarted civilization, and was worshipped by these people. If you look at Temple of Doom, Kali and Shiva are also apparently both real. I think this series just goes "ok, every religion and every legend you've ever heard is all true. All of it. It all co-exists." No more of a contradiction in this than there was in Temple.

[The Man of Steel]

great scene :up:

[cerealkiller182]

Its great that they had aliens as their gods but that really clusterF***s things when you also have the ark and grail in the equation.

Different religion, different gods. For one they were polytheists and the Chirstians are monotheists which makes them way different in the first place.

[chaseter]

Its great that they had aliens as their gods but that really clusterF***s things when you also have the ark and grail in the equation.
But then you would have the people complain about how everything deals with Christianity only. Not only do the 13 Mayan crystal skulls actually exist but many older cultures like the Egyptians, believed in aliens.

[The Man of Steel]

I Didn't like how in the whole first 15mins that it didn't really feel like indy at all, but it all came together when it got to the part with Mutt

[Kanon]

Damn, i didnt even notice he didnt shoot anyone
Me neither...

[Joker]

I Didn't like how in the whole first 15mins that it didn't really feel like indy at all, but it all came together when it got to the part with Mutt

I really think alot of that is because the first 15 minutes were set in 1950's america, and not 1930's (exotic location). I still think it felt like Indy, just Indy in a much different enviroment.

[The Guard]

You know there's magic when actors can make incredibly simple lines of dialogue so...magical. That was ALWAYS the appeal of the Indiana Jones franchise. The way they cut right to the heart of things.

"I'm sorry, son...they got us".

And it's just hilarious stuff.

[The Guard]

I should mention that the locales were incredible. There were some WONDERFUL shots of the landscapes.

[Mr. Socko]

Raiders 9/10
Temple 10/10
Last Crusade 10/10
Crystal Skull 8/10

Some of the exposition confused me and made no sense and it seemed to go on and on. I think I even missed some of it which is why I'll be seeing this again tomorrow. On another note, wikipedia and box office mojo both list the budget at $185. It also says $150 Million was spent on advertising. The film will need to make back at least $400 Million before Lucasfilm and Paramount Pictures can both see profit.

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

It made $25 Million Thursday. Pretty good, and I think it'll do even better today.

[cerealkiller182]

Iread something about Ford and Spielberg refusing to take their share of the profits until the movie made $300 million or something like that.

[Shifty]

I was curious to see how many films of Spielberg had aliens, turns out 20% of them. Unless some showed up in 1941, haven't seen that. And it looks like he's lined up the next ten years with work already.

1970s
Duel (1971)
The Sugarland Express (1974)
Jaws (1975)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
1941 (1979)

1980s
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
The Color Purple (1985)
Empire of the Sun (1987)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Always (1989)

1990s
Hook (1991)
Jurassic Park (1993)
Schindler's List (1993)
The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
Amistad (1997)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)

2000s
Artificial Intelligence: A.I. (2001)
Minority Report (2002)
Catch Me if You Can (2002)
The Terminal (2004)
War of the Worlds (2005)
Munich (2005)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)

Future
2010s
Tintin
Lincoln
The Trial of the Chicago 7
Tintin 3
Interstellar
Flight 103

[The Chris]

I was curious to see how many films of Spielberg had aliens, turns out 20% of them. Unless some showed up in 1941, haven't seen that. And it looks like he's lined up the next ten years with work already.

1970s
Duel (1971)
The Sugarland Express (1974)
Jaws (1975)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
1941 (1979)

1980s
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
The Color Purple (1985)
Empire of the Sun (1987)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Always (1989)

1990s
Hook (1991)
Jurassic Park (1993)
Schindler's List (1993)
The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
Amistad (1997)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)

2000s
Artificial Intelligence: A.I. (2001)
Minority Report (2002)
Catch Me if You Can (2002)
The Terminal (2004)
War of the Worlds (2005)
Munich (2005)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)

Future
2010s
Tintin
Lincoln
The Trial of the Chicago 7
Tintin 3
Interstellar
Flight 103


I don't know about A.I. I think those were higher class robots.

[cerealkiller182]

I don't know about A.I. I think those were higher class robots.

aliens at the end of it

[The Chris]

aliens at the end of it

I know what part he was talking about, I don't think they were aliens.

[Bim]

I think my favorite action scene was the motorcycle chase, but I really liked all the set-pieces.
That really was a fun scene :woot:

Dr. Jones: on my first viewing, the first 15 minutes threw me off a bit, but on my second viewings things made more sense... i do admit, my eagerness once i sat waiting for the movie to start was high :hehe:

[The Kid]

In ways this was better than Temple, and in ways worse than last crusade. It's a movie squarely directed at long time fanboys like me and I ate it all up, the subtle references to the old movies, Indy dipping the hat, the line "so much life is wasted in waiting" and the not so subtle like the ark one. I guess it's ok, just a little too blatant. You'll see. That spalko ***** is hot. The ending is the most ****ed up ending to an indiana jones movie I've ever seen. I just didn't understand it, but that's fine. I didn't really get the ending to last crusade either until I re-watched it. (Oh they're not really immortal anymore. lol) Part of me is thinking the ending was a dream created by the crystal skull dude. I don't know.

Solid 8/10.

[Matt Murdock]

Its great that they had aliens as their gods but that really clusterF***s things when you also have the ark and grail in the equation.

And rocks. :dry:

[GhostPoet]

Back to Box office dissappoints between this in Narnia....not good.


Wait till after the weekend to say things like that. Very few people go to the movies on Thursday. Friday and saturday are the big movie nights for the regular joe.

[Trainwreck2100]

I LOVED the opening sequence. Even the cameo by the Ark. Best line of dialog exchange of the year:


i got a call during the opening part, but i'm seeing it tonight, was it obvious?

[Joker]

i got a call during the opening part, but i'm seeing it tonight, was it obvious?

Yes, you actually see the ark.

[William15]

Spoiler alert!!!

I went to see the movie tonight and I must say I really loved it! It was very fun and the action was great. The only thing I didn't like, was Mutt swinging through the jungle like Tarzan...

I was sort of hoping for a reference to other Indiana Jones adventures, especially my favourite one: The Fate of Atlantis.
It would've been cool to see a picture of Sophia Hapgood, or the necklace that was very important in the game. Or a cameo of some sort. In the end, when the wedding was on, and the doors were blown open I thought someone was gonna enter, and at one point I hoped it was gonna be Sophia and then her saying something like: ,,Why wasn't I invited!? You've got some explaining to do Dr. Jones!''
The fanboy in me was dreaming of something liked this.

I really enjoyed it, and I was a but bummed, that I was alone in the theaters, because it would've been cooler if I was there with my father, friends or other family. This is a movie you should enjoy with a big group.

Too bad Marcus wasn't in the movie (Not in real live, that is - Or did he die?), but I loved that there were pictures of him in the university (And the statue ofcourse:yay:). Seeing Sallah again, would've also been funny I think, but maybe in the future. I definantly wanna see more Indy movies, because I loved him when I was a kid, and I still love him now!

I don't wanna sound dirty, but we need more whip action! :oldrazz:

I think that might be it... And I've got to say, the atombomb scene with the test town was very funny!:word:


Spoiler ends here!

[Kanon]

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i70fa56666e6c5bccb957857567443980

[Joker]

Yes, you actually see the ark.

Dear Mister J,

This was not a spoiler, as it effects nothing in the plot.


Good day sir.

[Punisher RULES]

Saw it this morning and it was indeed an 8 of of 10. I was expecting a bit more but I was happy with what I got. The film really exposition heavy and fast paced and it was really hard to keep up with what the hell was going on with the strong accents and overall quickness of the dialogue. Even when concentrating hard it was difficult to catch the story as it's whizzing by at breakneck speed. Seeing the photo of Henry Sr. was cool but on the downside it made me long to see Sean Connery in the film but was great that they were giving a nod to him and other past characters.


Ms. Spalko and Marion were both smokin hot. Even for an older lady Karan Allen still has it "going on" so to speak. Cate Blanchett is quite convincing in her role and did I mention she was one fine peace of human?

[DACrowe]

Well after hearing all the conflicting and mixed reports, I finally saw it.

It was a good movie. I mean what it boils down to is the movie was extremely entertaining and kept my interest throughout (unlike the Mummy sequel or Tom Raider or National Treasure as I keep seeing this compared to)....

but it is flawed. It has its share of problems and in the end I think it ties with Temple of Doom at the bottom of the franchise well below Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade.

I liked the overall feeling of the movie. Indy is back and kicks ass, still. Age doesn't matter. It just was really awesome to see Indy again and it kept the overall feeling of the original films. I think the opening teaser was great stuff. The introduction to Indy in the 1950s and intertextual wink to American Graffiti was very amusing. Seeing INdy finally in the warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant is (and hearing that music fleetingly twice in the sequence) and it turning out to be Area 51 is probably my favorite part of this movie...he was so close to finding it again.

And I am going to go against fan consensus and say I liked the prarie dogs and the atomic bomb portion of it. They were entertaining. Seeing Indy realize he was on a testing ground and saying "God, this can't be happening" and hiding in a refrigerator was hilarious and fun. This series has always been simple fun. However, I agree his survival was a foreshadowing of weaknesses in the movie to come.

To skim over the rest I think Shia LeBoeuf(sp?) did surprisingly well as Indy's son, Mutt Williams. I loved the Brando look and the entire introduction with the preps vs. greaser fight and the motorcycle chase that ended with Dr. Jones speeding through his library. I also thought the action scene with the poison darts and the quicksand set pieces were a lot of fun as well. Speaking of which, I am REALLY happy to see Marion back. Marion will always be Indy's best girl and seeing that they had a kid and the chemistry between them brought back the magic of the original films the best.

Which leads to the problems of this movie. It doesn't have all the ingredients that made the first three such classics as a whole. I felt the plot left little breathing room. While ROTLA has almost non-stop action in the middle there is time for Indy and Marion to sit down and talk in that film and bounce off each other. The best moments of the Last Crusade was Indy talking to his father about their relationship. There is no real scene where Mutt and Indy or Indy and Marion can just stop for a moment and communicate about the problems they're all having.

And the other thing this movie I feel is lacking compared to the other three is scope. The other three's macguffins or executions (in TOD's case) were huge. The movies then relied on more pratical effects and location shooting that gave them this grandiose scale and the finales in all three were jaw dropping. Simply put KOTCS's ending disappoints because of its increasing reliance on CGI and not grounding it. The action scenes loses their luster when you can tell a lot of CGI is used. I'm not going to nitpick about Mutt vine swinging (though that was silly), but more the ants and all the locations being computer generated and not having that lived-in feel that the original three did. I really feel this is where Lucas's negative influences come from as the same can be said about his prequel movies (to an even worse extent).

The final scene where they just wrap everything up is the weak point in the movie. When all previous movies were soaring in their final fifteen minutes, this scene felt like Speilberg was just tying off loose ends. Oh greedy Ray Winstone dies (like the Benny character in the Mummy), but does so as Indy's friend. Here the baddie gets killed by what she wants just like the Nazis in ROTLK and TLC, except I don't really notice the formula when I'm watching those. Indy now gets away with his new found family and it closes.

The final scene of Indy marrying Marion is very satisfying as is him keeping his hat from Mutt (who I presume is supposed to become the "heir" to the franchise in the near future), but it lacks the power of the final shots in TLC as the franchise closer (for now). But you know what--I don't really care. Did this movie need to be made? No. But unlike Die Hard 4 or Rambo or Rocky VI, etc., I feel this movie was worth making. To paraphrase another critic, this movie was simply made for "old time's sake." This creative team was back for another yarn and seeing Ford back in the fedora was worth it. It felt like a genuinely loving attempt to revisit one of our favorite cinematic characters and his world as opposed to a cash-in sequel. It was at the end of the day fun and felt enough in line with the previous movies I'll take it as part of a quadrilogy instead of a disgrace to the original trilogy. For those complaining it is not dark enough or serious enough, neither were the originals. It was a fun installment.

8/10.

How I rate the series:

Raiders of the Lost Ark: 4 stars.
Temple of Doom: 3 stars.
The Last Crusade: 3 1/2 stars.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: 3 stars.

Now I hope they find the time within the next five years to do an Indy V before Ford hits 70 and then it would just become a joke.

[turtlefocker]

The thing is, it didn't serve the plot at all. I could let it slide if there were some great reason Indy found himself in a nuclear test zone and it someone how advanced the plot, but it wasn't the case. It was thrown in for cheap laughs. And on top of that, it wasn't THAT entertaining and it really just served to destroy suspension of disbelief the audience could've had simply because it was THAT ridiculously outrageous.

In my opinion they id that sop that ending would get less heat. Basically if you accept this at the start of the movie you're more than likely going to go with the ending.

_____

25 million That's not as good as was earlier reported... in fact it's just a tiny bit over half what was thought... Budget was $185 million by the way... for comparison "Live Free or Die Hard" made upwards of $9 million and had a budget of $110 million.

I was hoping Indy would have made more...

[Balthus Dire]

I think they focused way too heavily on the extravagent CGI shots and along the way forgot about what made this franchise so great: the characters.

[Rezzo]

i got a call during the opening part, but i'm seeing it tonight, was it obvious?

Yep you see it clearly, here's a pic of how you see it.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2pqt18p.jpg

[Kent]

Just got back from seeing this. I loved it. Kind of tired (it's 00:30 AM here, so...), so I'll make this brief and disjoint.

I loved Irina Spalko, and Cate Blanchett's performance. She was a very good villain.
I liked Shia in this... he did well enough.
As for the whole alien angle. I didn't mind at all. I find the idea of aliens more plausible than the paranormal stuff that the previous Indy's sported anyways.

Yes, there's some silly over-the-top stuff in there, but I didn't mind. The Indy flicks have always been a bit cartoony. I especially don't get the prairie dog hate. ;)

I gave it an 8, though that might be closer to a 9 over time. I tried to be conservative with my score.

[GoldGoblin]

I hope they make another one.

[cerealkiller182]

Spoiler alert!!!

I went to see the movie tonight and I must say I really loved it! It was very fun and the action was great. The only thing I didn't like, was Mutt swinging through the jungle like Tarzan...

I was sort of hoping for a reference to other Indiana Jones adventures, especially my favourite one: The Fate of Atlantis.
It would've been cool to see a picture of Sophia Hapgood, or the necklace that was very important in the game. Or a cameo of some sort. In the end, when the wedding was on, and the doors were blown open I thought someone was gonna enter, and at one point I hoped it was gonna be Sophia and then her saying something like: ,,Why wasn't I invited!? You've got some explaining to do Dr. Jones!''
The fanboy in me was dreaming of something liked this.

I really enjoyed it, and I was a but bummed, that I was alone in the theaters, because it would've been cooler if I was there with my father, friends or other family. This is a movie you should enjoy with a big group.

Too bad Marcus wasn't in the movie (Not in real live, that is - Or did he die?), but I loved that there were pictures of him in the university (And the statue ofcourse:yay:). Seeing Sallah again, would've also been funny I think, but maybe in the future. I definantly wanna see more Indy movies, because I loved him when I was a kid, and I still love him now!

I don't wanna sound dirty, but we need more whip action! :oldrazz:

I think that might be it... And I've got to say, the atombomb scene with the test town was very funny!:word:


Spoiler ends here!

Yes the actor who played Marcus has passed on. The statue was anice touch but too bad they destroyed it

[Tyrinus]

I really don't get how this movies is getting such high ratings. It wasn't well written and Ford didn't seem to be putting much effort into his performance.

So disappointing.

[Fanticon]

Yes, there's some silly over-the-top stuff in there, but I didn't mind. The Indy flicks have always been a bit cartoony. I especially don't get the prairie dog hate. ;)

I gave it an 8, though that might be closer to a 9 over time. I tried to be conservative with my score.

first off you should use spoiler tags...and secondly...i agree with everything you said except the boldface captured quote. It just didnt' belong...period. Same with the monkey swingin' sequence:cool:

Other than that we're in total agreement.:woot:

[Gallagher]

I really don't get how this movies is getting such high ratings. It wasn't well written and Ford didn't seem to be putting much effort into his performance.

So disappointing.

I thought Ford fantastic, that smile he gave when he saw Marion for the first time really made me grin. Can't quite place it, just terrific acting.

[The Caped Knight]

I just came back from my second viewing I found the movie to be very entertaining (despite some scenes that really weren't necessary)

1. The nuclear Bomb testing site /Saved by a refrigerator

2. Mutt as Tarzan

3 The attack of The ants

Other than that the movie was basically a good old fashion Indy adventure . While this movie was very predictable

1. Mutt revealed to be Indy's son

2. Marion Mutt's mother

3. Indy's partner another backstabbing partner

4. The main Villain getting killed in the end by some supernatural way

It was still enjoyable , I must admit The only thing I didn't see come was The Crystal Skull's true Extra-Terrestrial origin . That was a pretty cool twisted by Spielberg (a nod to E.T.)

I also loved all the nod, homages & Tributes to past Indy films that were in this movie .

I rank this indy flick

1. Raiders -10/10

2. Last Crusade -10/10

3. Crystal Skull - 8/10

4. Doom - Garbage

[Kanon]

Acting was superb for everyone in the movie. Blanchett should get an Oscar for this, she was uncanny...

[The Chris]

Yeah, loved Blanchett's character. Really dug Harrison and Shia's chemestry, and most of all this is the coolest harrison has been since air force one. it's like Bruce Willis in Live Free or Die Hard, having the glee back in the eyes playing their iconic role.

[Untilteld]

And I'm off to view this after a long awaited week.

[The Caped Knight]

Acting was superb for everyone in the movie.

Agreed

Harrison Ford still got It . :indy:

[The Caped Knight]

http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

[Compi716]

Just saw it and I am VERY happy! Sure, it's no Raiders but it was a really fun movie, and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

[Fanticon]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here


3 The attack of The ants

and here

4. Doom - Garbage

Other than that we're in the same boat! I loved it and had a lot fun watching it! Except where I've already noted...

Refrigerator, prairie dogs and monkees


and please tell me while on Kal El's topic of homages to the other films...did anyone else hear Indy say
"This is intolerable":grin: I about jumped out of my seat when he said that!

[Kent]

I am VERY happy!

This sums it up perfectly for me. I'm so glad that it turned out as good as it did. I'm relieved.

[Balthus Dire]

I really have never understood all the hatred for ToD.

[Kent]

I really have never understood all the hatred for ToD.

Me neither. It's my least favorite of the films (still is), but it certainly isn't bad.

[Majik1387]

I really have never understood all the hatred for ToD.
I asked someone to explain it to me a page back or so.:csad:

[The Caped Knight]

I really have never understood all the hatred for ToD.

My reason for disliking it is that it's a horror flick gone bad it was way too dark but not in a cool way , plus the female lead actress was annoying as hell. And after a great first movie with great actors and a great storyline . TOD feel short of greatness . Thankfully Last Crusade got back on the right track .

The only two things good about TOD are

1. the sidekick Short Round

2. The Mine cart case sequence .

The rest is totally pure GARBAGE .

[Fanticon]

I asked someone to explain it to me a page back or so.:csad:

There are too many reasons to give...but Its actually my favorite! And I have no problem explaining why people hate it...but it won't budge how much I love it.

First off..."THAT WASN'T SO BAD...WAS IT?!" - That entire sequence is comparable to how ridiculous surving the A-bomb testing site detonation inside of a refrigerator is in the new one...

Temple of Doom is my favorite...and I even showed up to my midnight screening rocking my TOD T-shirt...which looks super authentic now that its been 10 years since I've had it and people thought it was an original :yay:...it felt good.

[Schlosser85]

I liked the refrigerator scene, and I really liked the Mutt-Spalko swordfight. In fact, the only part of the whole big jungle chase that I didn't care for was the Tarzan bit, which is admittedly cheesy as all hell and I can't argue with anyone about.

CGI prairie dogs were "meh", unnecessary (what no real prairie dogs?) but not a big deal to me, mostly because they were there for like 2 seconds.

The alien stuff didn't bother me either. The MacGuffin has always been some supernatural power, I don't see why aliens are any more hard to swallow than the Ark of the Covenant melting Nazis' faces, Mola Ram pulling people's hearts out and them still being alive until they're lowered into the fire pit and the heart bursts into flames in his hand, or the Holy Grail aging Donovan. Spalko's fate was very much in line with the whole "supernatural power awakens and destroys unworthy intruder" theme of Raiders and Last Crusade.
I agree most people who knew anything about the movie had probably already guessed that Mutt was Indy's son, and as soon as you find out his mother's name is Marion it pretty much removes all doubt.

I liked the bit with the ants.

And the snake-quicksand bit was HILARIOUS. Probably the two most classic Indy moments in KOTCS were that and during the motorcycle chase when Indy gets pulled off the motorycle into the car and fights his way out the other window back onto the motorcycle.

[CJWilkie]

Spoiler alert!!!

I was sort of hoping for a reference to other Indiana Jones adventures, especially my favourite one: The Fate of Atlantis.
It would've been cool to see a picture of Sophia Hapgood, or the necklace that was very important in the game. Or a cameo of some sort. In the end, when the wedding was on, and the doors were blown open I thought someone was gonna enter, and at one point I hoped it was gonna be Sophia and then her saying something like: ,,Why wasn't I invited!? You've got some explaining to do Dr. Jones!''
The fanboy in me was dreaming of something liked this.



Spoiler ends here!

Erm in reference to the end of the film:


MAJOR SPOILERS - don't read until seen film...

I'd say it was very similar to the end of Atlantis! A spinning room with the main character attacked by psychic energy only to become a ghostly apparition herself (the shadow she left looked very much like the alien as she floated up after her eyes burned out)!


I loved the film: ants, UFOs, and all.
OK the Nuclear test was a bit OTT, but the one thing I didn't agree with was how the hell they survived dropping down 3 waterfalls. I mean seriously. Other than that I loved it all. Especially the more interesting espionage which I feel was missing from the others. It was cool exploring the archaelogical side a little more, even if for a lot he was following a crazy old man's clues.
Loved the references to other films, even if his Dad did have to die...
Overall fantastic - everything the Indy series is about, even if it did go astray at times...8/10

[echostation]

One thing I will give this film is I LOVE how Cate beat the **** out of Shia... that guy was pretty annoyin and I'm glad Cate basically punched and kicked the crap out of him and made the little dude bleed... that was sweet

[The Kid]

I think part of the intense negative reaction I'm seeing at places on this new fangled computer thing may be based on a desire to reject anything that doesn't seem to fit into the Indy mold the way the previous films did. Yet I can't see why when that ship has come in and sailed away with last crusade. I'm surprised this flick's as good as it is, really.

Best part?

Mutt and the monkey army.

It's a classic 80s movie moment I thought I'd forgotten existed, but definitely up there with something out of the goonies. God, Shia would have fit right in with them.

[Starbird]

Likes-
I loved the atom bomb testing..but yet ..I don't think it's very possible to survive that... I loved Mutt's bringing into the movie, by Indy riding on the back of his Harley. I don't see why they brought back the 'Area 51'(noticed it on the barge doors) where the Alien's Skull and corpse was found..It was kind of random. The Indy and Snake scene:D..Uhh..I loved when the Mayans temple and mayan soldiers encounter until the actual alien encounter...the UFO underneath the Mayan Pyramid tomb...sheer genius.
Dislikes-
monkeys..groundhogs..the chase scene was WAYYYYY too long..and last but not least waterfalls. The rate of survival..well..this movie does deserve a bit of fantasy too it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I really have never understood all the hatred for ToD.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/TempleofDoom9.jpg

[The Chris]

The old fashioned nature of the film worked for me very much. I guess I'm too much of a geek, but any time Indy punched someone in the face, or smirked, I had a huge smile on my face.

I love the fight with the big dude with the ants around them. Indy getting his butt kicked most of the fight, then fighting back, then fighting a way to win. Pure Indy. Also I didn't mind that indy didn't do as many crazy things in the jungle truck chase as he did in the desert truck chase in raiders or tank chase in crusade because he's older. But, that one part where there was this long wide shot of the two trucks driving along, and you see indy about to jump. Then the one truck is covered by the trees while the russians shoot, and then bam! Indy jumps onto the truck and shows no mercy. I was throwing punches in the theater.

[The Caped Knight]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/TempleofDoom9.jpg

She was most definitely a major factor . Thankfully In The Last Crusade actress Alison Doody as Elsa Schneider made Kate Capshaw awful preformance as Willie Scott in TOD seem like a bad dream .

http://images.wikia.com/indianajones/images/7/70/Elsa.jpg
Elsa :heart:

[Rocker22]

Just got back...I enjoyed it. I was fine with the extreme sci-fi theme in the movie. It did have the moments that had me cracking up. I think overall it worked, it came together nicely, 8/10.

[chaseter]

I really don't get how this movies is getting such high ratings. It wasn't well written and Ford didn't seem to be putting much effort into his performance.

So disappointing.
Seeing as he puts as much wit and effort into his lines as well as still doing most of his stunts...no he puts no effort into it:whatever:

[TLH]

Just got back...I enjoyed it. I was fine with the extreme sci-fi theme in the movie. It did have the moments that had me cracking up. I think overall it worked, it came together nicely, 8/10.

Glad to hear you liked it Rocker. I value your opinion in movies, probably because I have yet to disagree with you about them. :yay:

[Shifty]

"This is intolerable":grin: I about jumped out of my seat when he said that!

I watched Last Crusade 13 hours earlier, and loved that line.


Communist Party members no fans of Indy
Last Updated: Friday, May 23, 2008 | 4:41 PM ET
CBC News

Some members of the Communist Party in Russia have weighed in on the latest Indiana Jones movie, deploring the film as "anti-Soviet propaganda."

In a statement online and in an open letter, Communist Party members in St. Petersburg have blasted Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for what they see as its negative portrayal of Russians, including Cate Blanchett's turn as an evil KGB agent.
Communist party members in St. Petersburg were critical of Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, including the Russian villain portrayed by Cate Blanchett.

"You insult the Soviet and Russian people, everyone who remembers the difficult 1950s!" blasts an open letter addressed to the film's star, U.S. actor Harrison Ford.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, the fourth film in the action franchise, opened at theatres around the globe on Thursday. Set in the late 1950s, the film sees the aging adventurer and archaeologist battling Blanchett's villain while in search of a mystical artifact.

According to Russian media reports, the film is being shown on just over 800 screens across the nation and is the country's widest-ever release for a Hollywood film. However, members of the Communist Party have called for the Russian Culture Ministry to ban the film.

"It's rubbish," charged party member Vladimir Mukhin in comments posted on the local St. Petersburg Communist Party website.

"In 1957, the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the U.S. Why should we agree to that sort of lie and let the West trick our youth?"


:whatever:

[Spider-Bat]

The one thing I thought I'd see more of would be a bigger battle with those natives, I thought they'd be trying to protect the skulls. I was thinking something on a larger scale like temple of Doom type stuff.

I still love the film but it seemed like they were trying to not over do it with the running time.

They could've made it longer, fans who love the character and haven't seen him in so long like myself would be happy to spend any amount of time with Indy.

I've been ignoring all the whining and complaining but I still don't have any major complaints. I love Jones, and I'd have just liked it to be a bit longer and, a better main villian and a Sallah appearance at the end at least at the church.

[Norman Bates]

She was most definitely a major factor . Thankfully In The Last Crusade actress Alison Doody as Elsa Schneider made Kate Capshaw awful preformance as Willie Scott in TOD seem like a bad dream .

http://images.wikia.com/indianajones/images/7/70/Elsa.jpg
Elsa :heart:

Calling her performance awful is a bit weird. She played the role exactly as she should have. That character was definitely intentionally annoying throughout the written script, and she brought it to life quite well.

Anyway, I found her quite hilarious at times. Especially in the jungle where Short Round and Indy are cheating with their cards and Willie is just running and screaming at nearly everything.

"The problem with her is the noise."

[DarknessOfDeath]

I love hysterical women and Willie was hilarious. Sure she was annoying but in a freaking fun and great way. :D The part when she grabs the snake and throws it, haha. and Indy is freaking out.

[DarknessOfDeath]

The old fashioned nature of the film worked for me very much. I guess I'm too much of a geek, but any time Indy punched someone in the face, or smirked, I had a huge smile on my face.

I love the fight with the big dude with the ants around them. Indy getting his butt kicked most of the fight, then fighting back, then fighting a way to win. Pure Indy. Also I didn't mind that indy didn't do as many crazy things in the jungle truck chase as he did in the desert truck chase in raiders or tank chase in crusade because he's older. But, that one part where there was this long wide shot of the two trucks driving along, and you see indy about to jump. Then the one truck is covered by the trees while the russians shoot, and then bam! Indy jumps onto the truck and shows no mercy. I was throwing punches in the theater.

Aww sweet man.

my biggest excitement was how and when Marion was gonna show up. Oh man and I love the banter between her and Indy. I was more than happy that Karen Allen came back. I loved her in Raiders and I love her even more in Skull. Oh and the whole scene with the snake. Oh gawd. I wanna see it again.

[War Party]

The set design from Guy Hendrix Dyas was fantastic in this film. It's such a great looking movie and I mentioned how much I loved the cinematography because it reminded me of a Hitchcock film. most notably Vertigo.

[The Chris]

Aww sweet man.

my biggest excitement was how and when Marion was gonna show up. Oh man and I love the banter between her and Indy. I was more than happy that Karen Allen came back. I loved her in Raiders and I love her even more in Skull. Oh and the whole scene with the snake. Oh gawd. I wanna see it again.

I'm seeing it again with my father on father's day. Hope he likes it. The snake scene was hilarious. Me and the girl I saw it with were laughing so hard. I really dug this movie, and the 1950's feeling was really well done, while still keeping the indiana jones feel and setting. The aliens thing was not over done to me, and even made the movie one of the fresher fourth installments. I hope more people start to like it, or people start to come around. This for me is not Phantom Menace. It's too much like the other three for me to think that.

[DarknessOfDeath]

*bites into his Indy Double Whopper*

mmm

mmm

mmmmmmmmmmmm so delicious

chris... you have made great points and I agree

[RonStoppablefan]

I love hysterical women and Willie was hilarious. Sure she was annoying but in a freaking fun and great way. :D The part when she grabs the snake and throws it, haha. and Indy is freaking out.

Yah it was funny when Indy freaked about the snake. I just LOL'd at that part. Really though the only part I found her loopey at was after they fell off the waterfall and she wouldn't let go of some of the car and just laughed strangly, I'm shocked Indy didn't think the women went nutts LOL.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Waterfall in which movie??

[The Caped Knight]

Aww sweet man.

my biggest excitement was how and when Marion was gonna show up. Oh man and I love the banter between her and Indy. I was more than happy that Karen Allen came back. I loved her in Raiders and I love her even more in Skull. Oh and the whole scene with the snake. Oh gawd. I wanna see it again.

Same here, It was pure Classic love/hate playful banter like Lois & Clark. The Jones family moments in this movie (Between Indy,Marion & Mutt) were priceless , My favorite was when the secret of Mutt true Dad was revealed in truck . :woot:

[Symbiotic]

Saw it tonight. 9/10. My favorite of the series.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Same here, It was pure Classic love/hate playful banter like Lois & Clark. The Jones family moments in this movie (Between Indy,Marion & Mutt) were priceless , My favorite was when the secret of Mutt true Dad was revealed in truck . :woot:


Same here. :D uh wasn't it in the sand part?

but anyway, I loved every scene with Marion/Indy/Mutt...

Question: about Ox... in a scene, Mutt is crying and my friend was wondering who Ox was and what was his relationship to Marion and Mutt.

Now... Collin Williams was the guy whom Marion married but what happened to him?

[Rocker22]

Same here. :D uh wasn't it in the sand part?

but anyway, I loved every scene with Marion/Indy/Mutt...

Question: about Ox... in a scene, Mutt is crying and my friend was wondering who Ox was and what was his relationship to Marion and Mutt.

Now... Collin Williams was the guy whom Marion married but what happened to him?

Indy and Ox were both close with friends with Abner, so Ox was it seems to have been a father figure to Mutt after Collin died.

[DarknessOfDeath]

How did Colin die??

[Rocker22]

Mutt said at some point that he died in the war.

[The Caped Knight]

Question: about Ox... in a scene, Mutt is crying and my friend was wondering who Ox was and what was his relationship to Marion and Mutt.

Now... Collin Williams was the guy whom Marion married but what happened to him?

Harold Oxley was like a surrogate father to Indiana Jones son Henry Jr. III aka : Mutt Williams . Ox was also a good friend to both Indiana & Marion .


He died during the war .

[DarknessOfDeath]

Ah. I knew Indy and Ox were close and I had this feeling that since Indy left Marion, Ox helped Marion look after Mutt. Question is, did Ox ever know that Mutt was Indy's son?

I thought I heard Mutt called Ox "Uncle" ...

[The Caped Knight]

Same here. :D uh wasn't it in the sand part?



It began in The Sand pit (with just Indy & Marion) Then it continued in the Truck When Mutt learns the truth .

[DarknessOfDeath]

You know whats weird...

I feel like I've seen this movie before... like I've seen it in a dream. A lot of scenes felt familiar...especially near the end when Indy, Marion, Mutt, and Ox are on the rocky mountain and the water pours into the big gaping hole... A lot of scenes seemed so familiar.

[Rocker22]

Ah. I knew Indy and Ox were close and I had this feeling that since Indy left Marion, Ox helped Marion look after Mutt. Question is, did Ox ever know that Mutt was Indy's son?

I thought I heard Mutt called Ox "Uncle" ...

No offense, but were you paying attention? Ox is clearly surprised at the end, at least it was to me.

[The Caped Knight]

did Ox ever know that Mutt was Indy's son?


In The Novel, He suspected the possibilities that Mutt was Indy's Boy based on Mutt having the exact same characteristic as Indiana . But he dis-missed the idea when Marion lied to him .

In The movie, he only learned the truth at the end of the movie .

Remember

Ox : Father !?

Indiana Jones : Some Where your Grandfather's having a good laugh . (to Mutt)

[Mr. Socko]

The ending at the wedding scene should have been filled with cameos! Sallah, Short Round, Willie Scott, the ghost of Grandpa Jones...LoL

[DarknessOfDeath]

No offense, but were you paying attention? Ox is clearly surprised at the end, at least it was to me.

Sorry... my brain hurts

In The Novel, He suspected the possibilities that Mutt was Indy's Boy based on Mutt having the exact same characteristic as Indiana . But he dis-missed the idea when Marion lied to him .

In The movie, he only learned the truth at the end of the movie .

Okay... thanks.

[DarknessOfDeath]

watching Indy4 on-line but I plan on seeing it again in theaters

[TNC9852002]

nvm

-TNC

[DACrowe]

I do wish Short Round as an adult was at the wedding as I always felt Indy raised Short Round whenever he wasn't on adventures. I also think Sallah REALLY should have been there, considering he knew both the bride and groom very well.

I'm sure Rhys-Davies and the actor who played Short Round would not have minded doing one day cameos in the new Indy.

Oh well. :(

I liked the movie, even if it was anti-climactic.

[The Caped Knight]

I do wish Short Round as an adult was at the wedding as I always felt Indy raised Short Round whenever he wasn't on adventures. I also think Sallah REALLY should have been there, considering he knew both the bride and groom very well.

I'm sure Rhys-Davies and the actor who played Short Round would not have minded doing one day cameos in the new Indy.

Oh well. :(

I liked the movie, even if it was anti-climactic.

I believe Sallah died .

[The Chris]

watching Indy4 on-line but I plan on seeing it again in theaters

Where?

[Marx]

I do wish Short Round as an adult was at the wedding as I always felt Indy raised Short Round whenever he wasn't on adventures. I also think Sallah REALLY should have been there, considering he knew both the bride and groom very well.

I'm sure Rhys-Davies and the actor who played Short Round would not have minded doing one day cameos in the new Indy.

Oh well. :(

I liked the movie, even if it was anti-climactic.

What was your opinion on the Mutt/Tarzan swing through the trees with the CGI monkeys?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I believe Sallah died .

wha? :(

Where?

www.surfthechannel.com

[The Caped Knight]

The ending at the wedding scene should have been filled with cameos! Sallah, Short Round, Willie Scott, the ghost of Grandpa Jones...LoL

lol this is not STAR WARS (The Force doesn't exist)

[murdock_matt]

I wanted so SOOOOO badly to like this movie, and I can see how some of my fellow Indy fans can get into it, but I just can't do it. I just can't make the leap. It's too far out there. With the other films, the sought object was real with rumored special powers. It's not a real leap to think there's a real Ark of the Covenant, but to seek it as a historical artifact and THEN discover there's something special about it, that's great. Same with the Sankara stones or the Holy Grail. But to start out with the balls-out, in-your-face elements of this new quest... it just put me off from the very beginning.

I had always wished this quest had been for another religious artifact - like the True Cross which has a fascinating history (one that includes the artifact being lost to time) and purported magical powers (resurrection and healing).

[The Caped Knight]

wha? :(



www.surfthechannel.com (http://www.surfthechannel.com)


novel

First Marcus Brody, then Henry Jones Sr. & finally Sallha

Indy's in his Sixties , most of his friends are either already dead or dying .

[Marx]

I wanted so SOOOOO badly to like this movie, and I can see how some of my fellow Indy fans can get into it, but I just can't do it. I just can't make the leap. It's too far out there. With the other films, the sought object was real with rumored special powers. It's not a real leap to think there's a real Ark of the Covenant, but to seek it as a historical artifact and THEN discover there's something special about it, that's great. Same with the Sankara stones or the Holy Grail. But to start out with the balls-out, in-your-face elements of this new quest... it just put me off from the very beginning.

I had always wished this quest had been for another religious artifact - like the True Cross which has a fascinating history (one that includes the artifact being lost to time) and purported magical powers (resurrection and healing).

You're not alone in your opinion Murdoch.

[Fading]

I just finished watching this movie a few hours ago. I really enjoyed it, I think some of the hate on this movie comes from ppl who just generally ***** on every movie that comes out anymore. This movie is indeed a bit out there, but so have the others. We've had a heart removal with a guy surviving, the arc of the covenent melting nazi's, the holy grail healing a gun shot wound and so on. Tho around the end made me roll my eyes for a brief second.

The main positives tho were Ford proved he is still Indiana Jones. Sure he's not as active as he was, but his character is aged as well he shouldn't be jumping like a monkey at 60. The story kept the typical fun and adventure of a Jones movie, and it did well on portraying the 50's IMO. Shia also did better than I expected, and nice seeing Indy's old torch still looks the part and aged well too.

Downside was mainly tooooo muuuuccchhh CGI....Lucas needs to be kept away from the creative process when CGI is involved. Did the CGI gophers really need to be there?

[DACrowe]

On Temple of Doom (from the argument a few pages back)...it is truly underrated.

When I was little it was too dark for me and when I grew older it was too silly. But recently in the last few 3-4 since the trilogy has been on DVD, I've really learned to appreciate that movie. It is NOT nearly as good as Raiders or Crusade for that matter, but it is no better or worse than Crystal Skull. If TOD is "too dark," then Crystal Skull is too light. But they are both enjoyable experiences and worthy of the Indiana Jones brand name.

What I love about TOD now is its unique qualities. You know those bits in every Indiana Jones movie where a character says "Remember when we..." and lists some obscure previous adventure...TOD is that adventure. It is the only one in the series that isn't about racing an evil superpower to finding a missing artifact. It is about surviving basically Indy's descent into hell and back again. It was not a religious object from Christianity but about a little-known Indian cult.

It was very enjoyable in that way. And I didn't see anything wrong with Indy going dark. Yeah I think the comedy was too broad in some bits and over the top--like the monkey brain dinner scene--but it makes the movie stand out. People ***** that Capshaw's Willie Scott was annoying, but she was supposed to be. After the very independent Marion, we got the complete opposite and while her screaming got annoying, it worked.

Now what makes it really good and one of the better adventure films out there: Iconic sequences like the human sacrifice scenes. John Williams' music has never been more menacing in an Indy Jones movie and literally causes the skin to crawl. The lead Thugee (I forget his name) was amazingly well acted and IMO one of the best Indy villains, just behind Belloq and Nazi glasses guy in Raiders. The mine cart scene was intense and classic and the final battle ontop of the bridge above croc infested waters is one of the best adventure climaxes ever. Seeing Indy's slow deducing to cut the rope bridge was brilliantly hilarious.

Also, I really liked the whole build up with finding the Indian village and the menace it builds, the only thing that comes close to matching the build up of the ominous power of the ark in the first movie. And the use of children slavery and torture was bad, but when you see Indy walking back with the children at the end, you really feel he accomplished something bigger than usual this time and it can't help but bring a smile to your face.

But most of all I love the teaser. It isn't in the jungle or desert -- it opens with a hilariously self-deprecating musical number with Capshaw singing Anything Goes in Chinese. It then turns into a Bond movie circa 1935 and seeing Indy duke it out in falling ballons just makes me grin. And he and Short Round have a great rapport. While I liked Shia in this movie and his character, I thought Shorot Round was more of a son to Indy than Mutt will be.

In short TOD is a solid three star film, not great, but sitll a lot of fun and most of all different. I like it.

[The Caped Knight]

I wanted so SOOOOO badly to like this movie, and I can see how some of my fellow Indy fans can get into it, but I just can't do it. I just can't make the leap. It's too far out there. With the other films, the sought object was real with rumored special powers. It's not a real leap to think there's a real Ark of the Covenant, but to seek it as a historical artifact and THEN discover there's something special about it, that's great. Same with the Sankara stones or the Holy Grail. But to start out with the balls-out, in-your-face elements of this new quest... it just put me off from the very beginning.

I had always wished this quest had been for another religious artifact - like the True Cross which has a fascinating history (one that includes the artifact being lost to time) and purported magical powers (resurrection and healing).

How hard is it to make the leap ?

Basically The Crystal Skull is actually The Brain of an Extra-Terrestrial
Who knows The High-Tec that will eventually be used in this movies universe on Earth will probably be pieces of High-tec recovered from E.T. that's still in the USA hanger 51 .

[Fading]

As for spoiler talk and what I thought they could have done to improve it -

1. Remove the CGI gophers, remove the CGI monkies. Mutt did not need a platoon of monkies to kick a Nazi-esque girl in the face, they didn't even do anything other than annoy the Russians in the car for a brief second. However the CGI ants were fine.

2. Tone down the ALIENS!!! The charm of the Indy films was the mystery. We saw the arc, we saw what it did, it was never fully explained why tho I think the audience understood. It was left to our imagination, and left it feeling mysterious. They should have never shown the alien alive. We should have seen the skulls arranged, a glow, the Russian-Nazi like chick get her wish and go up in flames. The portal should not have been shown. It should have had them escaping rubble never seeing what was going on, and finish with them escaping and Mutt going, "What was that?" and Indy saying, "We're better off not knowing kid".

[mathhater]

I wanted so SOOOOO badly to like this movie, and I can see how some of my fellow Indy fans can get into it, but I just can't do it. I just can't make the leap. It's too far out there. With the other films, the sought object was real with rumored special powers. It's not a real leap to think there's a real Ark of the Covenant, but to seek it as a historical artifact and THEN discover there's something special about it, that's great. Same with the Sankara stones or the Holy Grail. But to start out with the balls-out, in-your-face elements of this new quest... it just put me off from the very beginning.

I had always wished this quest had been for another religious artifact - like the True Cross which has a fascinating history (one that includes the artifact being lost to time) and purported magical powers (resurrection and healing).

Amen! Agree 100% I'm really glad that most people are digging this movie, but I'm so glad someone's finally come along with the same issues I had. Exactly for the reasons you mention is why the entire film was ruined for me. I'm proud of myself for not having left the theater actually.

[Marx]

I just finished watching this movie a few hours ago. I really enjoyed it, I think some of the hate on this movie comes from ppl who just generally ***** on every movie that comes out anymore. This movie is indeed a bit out there, but so have the others. We've had a heart removal with a guy surviving, the arc of the covenent melting nazi's, the holy grail healing a gun shot wound and so on. Tho around the end made me roll my eyes for a brief second.

I think the thing that did it for me was that Indy has always been after religious artifacts. While it may still have been a little out there, it wasn't as out there as Crystal Skull.


The main positives tho were Ford proved he is still Indiana Jones. Sure he's not as active as he was, but his character is aged as well he shouldn't be jumping like a monkey at 60. The story kept the typical fun and adventure of a Jones movie, and it did well on portraying the 50's IMO. Shia also did better than I expected, and nice seeing Indy's old torch still looks the part and aged well too.


He is still Indiana Jones. And you're right...he did prove it!


Downside was mainly tooooo muuuuccchhh CGI....Lucas needs to be kept away from the creative process when CGI is involved. Did the CGI gophers really need to be there?

That's what I loved about the originals, there wasn't alot of CGI.

[DACrowe]

What was your opinion on the Mutt/Tarzan swing through the trees with the CGI monkeys?

It was cheesy and unnecessary. But it was so small, I did not really mind at all. I think it is just a small aspect of a bigger problem in the movie which is too much of a reliance on CGI and not location shooting or practical effects which I think took away the epic scope the others had. I think it didn't need to be there, but that didn't bug me or ruin the movie or anything.

Still I give the movie 8/10.

[Marx]

As for spoiler talk and what I thought they could have done to improve it -

1. Remove the CGI gophers, remove the CGI monkies. Mutt did not need a platoon of monkies to kick a Nazi-esque girl in the face, they didn't even do anything other than annoy the Russians in the car for a brief second. However the CGI ants were fine.

2. Tone down the ALIENS!!! The charm of the Indy films was the mystery. We saw the arc, we saw what it did, it was never fully explained why tho I think the audience understood. It was left to our imagination, and left it feeling mysterious. They should have never shown the alien alive. We should have seen the skulls arranged, a glow, the Russian-Nazi like chick get her wish and go up in flames. The portal should not have been shown. It should have had them escaping rubble never seeing what was going on, and finish with them escaping and Mutt going, "What was that?" and Indy saying, "We're better off not knowing kid".

That to me, would have been great! I agree. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

It was cheesy and unnecessary. But it was so small, I did not really mind at all. I think it is just a small aspect of a bigger problem in the movie which is too much of a reliance on CGI and not location shooting or practical effects which I think took away the epic scope the others had. I think it didn't need to be there, but that didn't bug me or ruin the movie or anything.

Still I give the movie 8/10.

I thought the movie was good too...but it really sticks out in the series. At least for me. You couldn't be more right. There was too much CGI and not enough location shooting and practical effects. (Something all of the others thrived on.)

[DarknessOfDeath]

guys... I think I may have dreamt of this movie... :wow: The ant scene and ... omg...

[DarknessOfDeath]

this is freaking me out...

[Fading]

BTW just wanted to say above when I said, "I think the ppl that ***** are the ones that ***** about every movie anymore", I meant the real whiners. I don't mean the ones in here, it's ok if you didn't like it, it's all down to personal taste. However after seeing it, I really liked it, not the greatest Indy but not bad by any stretch either (in fact it shows the Indy series is still the best action/adventure series compared to newer movies). However I got home to read the reviews and saw a lot of, "OMG BURN LUCAS AND SPIELBERG, Harrison Ford is too old and shouldn't be let near a movie set, I'm boycotting. Why not just get someone else to play Indy!?!?!".

Harrison IS Indiana Jones. the trilogy would not be what it is without him. Just as Star Wars wouldn't have been the same without Harrison, Fisher, and Hamill. It's just one of those movies that the perfect actor was placed in a role made just for them.

Not only that but this isn't Bond. This put a nice cap on Indy's life, he grew and found happiness.

[That'ssuper!]

I say it's the third best in the series.

[Rezzo]

I say it's the third best in the series.

I didn't think it was any better than the previous three, but I did enjoy it and overall I thought it was a nice addition to the series.

[Bim]

lol this is not STAR WARS (The Force doesn't exist)
*pictures the ghosts of Shorty, Marcus, Sallah and Henry Senior looking towards Indy, Marion and Mutt and smiling* :hehe:

[Mladen]

Everyone else is doing their opinions, so here's mine:

I didn't HATE the film. But I didn't LIKE it either. I certainly don't need to see it again.

Some parts were definately really cool. But overall the experience was just disappointing for a series of films which have always been awesome.

The opening of the film through the warehouse, nuclear test, up to the CIA interview, felt like a bad Indiana Jones fan-film. Unconvincing sets, bad lighting, horrible dialogue and acting, and cg sand moles? cg sand moles? why? What possible use is the distracting and pointless use of cg critters?

Indy started the film looking VERY old (the baggy shirt and pants didn't help), but soon that changes, once he gets the jacket and shaves the grey stubble, he looks a LOT younger... I don't know if its a choice of wardrobe or editing, but the problems with this film had NOTHING to do with Harrison being old. After the corny opening scenes in the warehouse, Harrison turned to top Indy form throughout the film. He's energetic and spry just like Sean Connery in Crusade.

The fight in the milk-bar was hilarious! Loved the greasers vs. preppy schoolkids and the motorcycle chase was decent.

Shia was great fun. Lots of nice little references to the father/son dynamic from Crusade. For me, the best parts of the film were Indy and Shia following the trail of the mystery, exploring the tombs, etc. The bit with he blow-dart was great, I totally didn't expect it! Harrison took on a lot of Sean Connery's dialogue and mannerisms for his performance, and Shia played like the young Indiana from Crusade... made for a whole heap of fun... but then they're captured and more characters are added so for the remainder of the film you never really see them have any more moments just between the two of them.

By the last third of the film, having four people running along with Jones, each getting a little moment for the screen, felt a bit crowded. The previous films always found a way to give Indiana some alone-time to solve the climax of the film himself (Marion is kidnapped in Raiders, Jones is alone on the bridge in Temple, Jones has to solve the three challenges on his own in Crusade), Skulls doesn't have a moment like this. Its always an emsemble.

Why was Marion even in it? She turns up in the last third of the film, serves no plot purpose other than telling Indy that Mutt is his son (which could have been done numerous other ways), and driving a boat-truck and otherwise just stole screen time. If the point is to have a male/female dynamic for Indy like in the other films... ummm... Cate Blanchett? If the point of Marion is fan-service, then by all means give her a part in the FIRST third of the film where she'd have more to do, and AGAIN at the end, but not for the entire climax of the film when it detracts from Indiana and Mutt's dynamic duo. If the idea is to put her up against Cate Blanchett, then you'll need more than one scene with a hood-mounted machine gun and no dialogue (a bit of a missed opportunity here... I would have LOVED too see the two women absolutely HATE each other).

The lead characters spent way too long being captured, uncaptured, captured again, uncaptured, almost captured, and then escaped! Just too much. Almost as annoying as the number of times Ray Winston seems to change sides (and the number of times everybody blindly trusts him).

Monkey rope-swinging?

Most of the battle in the trucks was cool, though a bit long, and edited strangely at times.

The ants were fun (came out of nowhere, and were conveniently repulsed by the magic item, but were fun! Good choice of critters).

ALIENS? I should point out that I was totally fine with the skulls, with the alien skeletons, was willing to let the burnt alien corpse slide, etc. But the moment they CAME TO LIFE, grew flesh, and started moving around on screen like the creatures at the end of AI... just... no. A lot of people say its no more retarded than holy grail, arc of the covenant, magic shankara stones... No. It's a LOT more retarded. In the context of a movie about an adventurer archaeologist, magic and religious miracles fits into that territory. I understand the 50s b-grade sci-fi homage, the skull itself, its powers and its relation to the lost civilisation were totally fine and kept it from being just another magic artefact, but having cg ALIENS walk around in the flesh was just too much. Indi never saw God or Jesus or Shiva wandering around, he only saw the EFFECTS of the miracles (but the 600 year old knight who speaks perfect modern english in crusade was reaching the dumbness factor, although he had one of the best lines in that film so I can forgive him).

Cate Blanchett's death scene was dissapointing. The 'let me see everything' thing was a great idea, but all we got was her eyes briefly bursting into flame (just like happened in Raiders to random nazi thugs). This from the people who brought us melting nazis and rapid-aging disorder. I guess it was hard to really HATE her, so it would have been a bit much to make us watch her torture, but still... Give us a big death scene! Something to scare the kids like in the previous films!

Corny marriage scene shoehorned into the movie in the last third, after almost no development of the romance.

I really liked the Shia-almost-puts-on-the-hat moment.



I've listed a lot of negatives, but there were a lot of great moments in the film too. But overall I just feel that the bad outweighs the good. I really wanted to like this film.

[The Caped Knight]

*pictures the ghosts of Shorty, Marcus, Sallah and Henry Senior looking towards Indy, Marion and Mutt and smiling* :hehe:

:woot: :pal: :hehe: :lmao: :funny:

[Drizzle]

Saw it tonight. 9/10. My favorite of the series.
Really?

[The Caped Knight]

Everyone else is doing their opinions, so here's mine:



Corny marriage scene shoehorned into the movie in the last third, after almost no development of the romance.






Hello The Build up was set way back in Raiders Of The Lost Ark . They just add more to it a bit in this movie with playful banter between Indiana & Marion .

[DarknessOfDeath]

I think I may have a special bond with Indiana Jones and Harrison Ford... cause the movie feels like a dream I had based on what I saw in it that felt so familiar...

I feel weird

[Mladen]

Hello The Build up was set way back in Raiders Of The Lost Ark . They just add more to it a bit in this movie with playful banter between Indiana & Marion .

About ten seconds worth of playful banter bridges twenty years of not seeing or talking to each other?
For a series of movies that've NEVER relied on anyone having seen the previous installment?

[The Caped Knight]

About ten seconds worth of playful banter bridges twenty years of not seeing or talking to each other?
For a series of movies that've NEVER relied on anyone having seen the previous installment?

Well according to the novel Marion & Indiana keep in contact (just before Mutt was born) Also Marion mention in the movie Indy left her at the alter (implying that they were planing to get married . and they had a fallout years ago that they didn't go through with the marriage .)

Besides out of all three of Indy girls . I like Marion the most . I'm glad Indy finally got married to her .

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well according to the novel Marion & Indiana keep in contact (just before Mutt was born) Also Marion mention in the movie Indy left her at the alter (implying that they were planing to get married . and they had a fallout years ago that they didn't go through with the marriage .)

Besides out of all three of Indy girls . I like Marion the most . I'm glad Indy finally got married to her .


Me too. Marion was badass... I loved her in Skull.

I mean, think about it. You have to get the character of Marion and what her relationship was to Indy to get the banter between the two of em in Skull. The second they started bantering at each other I caught on pretty quick cause I understood both of them and their pasts and also what kind of a past they had 'together'. :D

oh man. I love her... oh mommy :woot:

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Okay so I finally caved in and saw the movie today, I remember liking the originals as a kid and liking them but as one grows into adulthood so do their likes and dislikes.

It's not a bad movie, it's not the greatest either, the beginning sequence was fun we even get to see a bit of the covenant from Raiders, Harrison looks in top form for his age and Mutt is a likable character.

Cate Blanchett who I don't particularly find desirable was actually looking hot with the wig.

The truck sequence was cool except for the ridiculous sword fight between Mutt and Cate, the CGI was obvious and when did Mutt all of a sudden develop Spider-Man abilities to swing from vines?

In conclusion it's an okay end to the series, am I holding my breath for an Indy 5? not exactly we already have The Mummy 3 coming out let's see if audiences still dig the adventurous archeologist/crusader type of film.

Little kids might get bored throughout all the talking and just don't care for Indiana Jones, anyways here's how I put the movies in order of good to okay.

1) Raiders Of The Lost Ark
2) Last Crusade
3) Temple Of Doom
4) Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull

[The Caped Knight]

Me too. Marion was badass... I loved her in Skull.

I mean, think about it. You have to get the character of Marion and what her relationship was to Indy to get the banter between the two of em in Skull. The second they started bantering at each other I caught on pretty quick cause I understood both of them and their pasts and also what kind of a past they had 'together'. :D

oh man. I love her... oh mommy :woot:

Put this way Marion= Lois Lane , Indiana= Clark Kent/Superman

[Mladen]

Well according to the novel Marion & Indiana keep in contact (just before Mutt was born) Also Marion mention in the movie Indy left her at the alter (implying that they were planing to get married . and they had a fallout years ago that they didn't go through with the marriage .)

Besides out of all three of Indy girls . I like Marion the most . I'm glad Indy finally got married to her .

Ignoring the novel (since most movie-goers won't read it), for me, its way too short a sequence to suddenly tell the audience its his one true love. They suddenly start arguing like an old married couple, then go to kiss after ten seconds, kind of tells you they're still in love, but it just happened so quickly and got lost in the non-stop action of the last third of the film.

Thats why I think her role might have worked better at the beginning of the film, before he and Mutt go off, giving Indy time to really think about the relationship through the film and paralleled with his growing relationship with Mutt (maybe Indy is clued in that its his son early on, but is told to not tell Mutt who hasn't yet been told its his father... for me that might be a bit more fulfilling).
Trying to give attention to both a father/son relationship and to a true-reunited-love relationship kind of weakened both (Crusade took a whole film to do just the one). I guess the next film is about Mutt and Indy more exclusively, but I think that may have been a good reason to allow this film to let Marion and Indy's relationship get a bit more screen time... Indy had unique relationships with Mack, Oxley, Mutt, and Marion, for me it just spread him (and the audience's focus) out a little too thin.

Not saying that Marion wasn't the right choice for his true love, but really, we're choosing out of only two-surviving Jones girls here!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Put this way Marion= Lois Lane , Indiana= Clark Kent/Superman

I never liked Lois/Clark so Marion/Indy are my fave. :heart:(always have been) they kinda remind me of my parents. haha. omg...this is so weird now that I thought of it.

[Mr. Socko]

Hello The Build up was set way back in Raiders Of The Lost Ark . They just add more to it a bit in this movie with playful banter between Indiana & Marion .
SPOILERS AHEAD

That is one problem I had with the Indy/Marion relationship in the film. It relies far too greatly on what is known from Raiders. Indiana and Marion have about two or three scenes together in the entire film. Even the 'chemisty' itself relied on what the viewer was suppose to know from Raiders of the Lost Ark. It doesn't hold as well on it's own. Let's take it in it's own context. Indiana Jones meets up with an old flame he has not seen in two decades. They have two or three personal moments together and in the end decide to get married.

It was rather mangled because Marion did not show up until the half way mark in the film. But, due to their connection from Raiders, it's something I forgive and don't have a big problem with. Of all the Indy girls, it makes the most sense for him to marry Ravenwood.

[Untilteld]

Alright;

this was a really good addition to the series. I loved the little easter eggs, (the ark, marcus' statue) and loved everything until the end. I thought the alien skulls were okay, the corpse fine, but all the skeletons forming a real alien? c'mon. I know **** went down in TOD that was unrealistic, but c'mon. I would of said okay with it all until the spaceship showed up and it flew away, that did it for me. The aliens were a bad thing about this movie, nothing else really. Mutt ftw. :heart:

[Mr. Socko]

Me too. Marion was badass... I loved her in Skull.

I mean, think about it. You have to get the character of Marion and what her relationship was to Indy to get the banter between the two of em in Skull. The second they started bantering at each other I caught on pretty quick cause I understood both of them and their pasts and also what kind of a past they had 'together'. :D

oh man. I love her... oh mommy :woot:

But nothing beats Spalko's sexy bob hair:heart:


Not saying that Marion wasn't the right choice for his true love, but really, we're choosing out of only two-surviving Jones girls here!

LoL! And the other, Spielberg's wife..er, I mean, Willie, was just some girl he randomly met in Shanghai :woot::oldrazz:

[Mladen]

LoL! And the other, Spielberg's wife..er, I mean, Willie, was just some girl he randomly met in Shanghai :woot::oldrazz:

anything goes

[Untilteld]

Short Round should of made an appearence. :(:heart:

[Gold Samurai]

Put this way Marion= Lois Lane , Indiana= Clark Kent/Superman


At least Indy didn't look over his son while he was sleeping

[Conebone69]

Just saw it. Even though it wasnt everything I expected it still was a great, fun movie. My only main problem I had with the movie was the aliens. The crystal skull was fine but they didnt need to have aliens come to life. And just the whole spaceship thing was terrible. Its just not indiana jones-ish at all

Overall: 8/10

[The Caped Knight]

At least Indy didn't look over his son while he was sleeping

Ok I mean the Classic Lois & Clark from the comics not Superman Returns .

[CrypticOne]

I'm probably going to see this sometime on Sunday. I have to see it for myself, to much opinions are mixed, good and bad. I guess one has to decide for themselves.

I hoping for just a good/solid film.

[Conebone69]

I'm probably going to see this sometime on Sunday. I have to see it for myself, to much opinions are mixed, good and bad. I guess one has to decide for themselves.

I hoping for just a good/solid film.
Its a good movie overall. Theres just some aspects of it that you probably wont like if your a fan of the other indys

[chaseter]

Just saw it. Even though it wasnt everything I expected it still was a great, fun movie. My only main problem I had with the movie was the aliens. The crystal skull was fine but they didnt need to have aliens come to life. And just the whole spaceship thing was terrible. Its just not indiana jones-ish at all

Overall: 8/10
While I do agree with you 100% on this, how is this out of the realm of Indiana Jones:huh: The ark is opened and spirits come out taking the souls of all the nazi's, a man can pull hearts out of a chest and stones glow and catch on fire, and last but not least...a cup can heal wounds and give immortal life when filled with water. No this doesn't fit in with the Christian artifact line but it still is within canon of the films.

[BloodyWolverine]

I see the other movies as classics and you can't compare a classic to modern films so you gotta go into it not viewing it as a classic. Indy 4 is a great now film that reminds us of good old times CrypticOne but we likely may dissagree for we may not like it but i sure had fun. This film at best will win no oscar but will take troubles away for 2 hours.
Enjoy the movie and leave past films at home especially if they bes classics

[bullets]

I was pleasantly suprised by this film . The reviews had cast doubt over me but i went in and had a good time. There are so many fun sequences. Harrison was good as always . Shia did a good job as did the other supporting characters. The theatre was packed and everyone walked out happy. It was great to see marion back but I would of liked to see her do a little more. The ending is definately out there but it doesnt make this a bad film. I'll be the first to say I enjoyed it all the way through .

[Hush]

I just saw it and it definately tops my summer movie list so far. This was just great I loved Shia and in a way he kinda stole the show. Great film.

[Untilteld]

Was there a scene after the credits at all?

[bullets]

Its a good movie overall. Theres just some aspects of it that you probably wont like if your a fan of the other indys


I'm a fan of the other Indy movies and enjoyed i thoroughly . The very last scene though my heart almost sank until my spirits were lifted again.

[chaseter]

I just saw it and it definately tops my summer movie list so far.
This summer has been better by far from last summer:o Iron Man, Narnia, and now Indy easily beat FF4:2, Shrek the Turd, and SM3:csad:

And we still have Hancock, Dark Knight, Tropic Thunder, etc... to go:woot::woot:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I just saw it and it definately tops my summer movie list so far. This was just great I loved Shia and in a way he kinda stole the show. Great film.


but but... what about mommy? :(

[CrypticOne]

I see the other movies as classics and you can't compare a classic to modern films so you gotta go into it not viewing it as a classic. Indy 4 is a great now film that reminds us of good old times CrypticOne but we likely may dissagree for we may not like it but i sure had fun. This film at best will win no oscar but will take troubles away for 2 hours.
Enjoy the movie and leave past films at home especially if they bes classics

Thanks for the advice man. I have only seen part of Raiders of the Lost Ark....so I'm pretty new to the series, but I'm going to buy the trilogy after I see Crystal Skull.

[BloodyWolverine]

I was pleasantly suprised by this film . The reviews had cast doubt over me but i went in and had a good time. There are so many fun sequences. Harrison was good as always . Shia did a good job as did the other supporting characters. The theatre was packed and everyone walked out happy. It was great to see marion back but I would of liked to see her do a little more. The ending is definately out there but it doesnt make this a bad film. I'll be the first to say I enjoyed it all the way through .
No i enjoyed it the same way.

[bullets]

Short Round should of made an appearence. :(:heart:


maybe so but the would of only had a two second cameo . they should do something with him in indiana 5

[Mladen]

how is this out of the realm of Indiana Jones:huh: The ark is opened and spirits come out taking the souls of all the nazi's, a man can pull hearts out of a chest and stones glow and catch on fire, and last but not least...a cup can heal wounds and give immortal life when filled with water. No this doesn't fit in with the Christian artifact line but it still is within canon of the films.

Adventurer archaeologist and magical artefacts go hand in hand. Not so much aliens.
Like others, the IDEA that they're aliens doesn't bother me. Skulls, skeletons, even a charred corpse, I can live with. But them coming to life and flying off in a spaceship was just too much. In the previous films, Indiana only witnessed the miracles, but he could still remain skeptical as to what caused them. We didn't actually see God or Jesus or Shiva come down right in close to the screen. You never saw what actually caused the miracles (magic or something else?), or whether they were just illusions (the heart thing from TOD). For this film to compare to the previous ones in terms of the miracles, God's enormous hand would have to have actually appeared in the sky.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'd like Karen Allen return if there is an Indy5...

[Untilteld]

maybe so but the would of only had a two second cameo . they should do something with him in indiana 5

Mutt and Indy are discovering something and see Short Round already in the place looking for it and he turns out and yells

"DR. JONES"!

:heart::heart:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Mutt and Indy are discovering something and see Short Round already in the place looking for it and he turns out and yells

"DR. JONES"!

:heart::heart:


:woot::woot:

[bullets]

Adventurer archaeologist and magical artefacts go hand in hand. Not so much aliens.
Like others, the IDEA that they're aliens doesn't bother me. Skulls, skeletons, even a charred corpse, I can live with. But them coming to life and flying off in a spaceship was just too much. In the previous films, Indiana only witnessed the miracles, but he could still remain skeptical as to what caused them. We didn't actually see God or Jesus or Shiva come down right in close to the screen. You never saw what actually caused the miracles (magic or something else?), or whether they were just illusions (the heart thing from TOD). For this film to compare to the previous ones in terms of the miracles, God's enormous hand would have to have actually appeared in the sky.





Your basically dissallowing indiana to come into contact with aliens. He is in essense a comic hero . He hasn't really been grounded in reality. Yes he is a professor , He does bleed , and he makes mistakes . However the guy has always come across something supernatural in his films. It's not that big of a stretch . The scale is big bu the doesnt truly unravel the mystery . There is still some things left to the imagination . Indiana kept his distance and really doesn't know everything .. He never will and that is what the ending is implying.

[Mladen]

However the guy has always come across something supernatural in his films. It's not that big of a stretch .

In the context of the adventurer archaeologist, I believe there's a big difference in those two types of supernatural.
But as I said, the idea of aliens wasn't a big deal. The skulls, skeletons, even the alien in the bag weren't too bad at all. It kept the film from just being another relgious-relic hunt, and was good for the 50s... What I have a problem with is how it was treated by the end of the film.

The scale is big but the doesnt truly unravel the mystery . There is still some things left to the imagination . Indiana kept his distance and really doesn't know everything .. He never will and that is what the ending is implying.

Are you kidding? We're treated to an extended close up an alien's living and breathing face as he stares Cate Blanchett in the face, and Indiana Jones watches an enormous flying saucer take off. NOTHING was left to the imagination.

[The Caped Knight]

Mutt and Indy are discovering something and see Short Round already in the place looking for it and he turns out and yells

"DR. JONES"!

:heart::heart:

You do know that the actor who played Short Round in TOD isn't a little kid anymore with the funny voice , he an adult now who can speak properly ? If you get The Indiana Jones Trilogy on Dvd in the interview segment in the dvd special features . you'll see in Tempel of Doom dvd that the actor is much old now .and he's got a deep voice .

[Leenie]

I enjoyed it.

Of course, I don't think it's as good as the first three, but I was expecting that.

[bullets]

Are you kidding? We're treated to an extended close up an alien's living and breathing face as he stares Cate Blanchett in the face, and Indiana Jones watches an enormous flying saucer take off. NOTHING was left to the imagination.


??
Yeah he basically watches it take off . Oh wait "what happened to it " is uttered by Indiana . Also he know nothing more or will ever know from then on about it . Indy five doesnt even have to mention this subplot. If you see something like that do you already know all there is to know about it besides how it's face looks .

[The Caped Knight]

Indiana Jones watches an enormous flying saucer take off. NOTHING was left to the imagination.

To be accurate we didn't see The spaceship actually fly into space, We saw it rise, but the rock like fortress cover it's appearence of it taking off into space .

[Untilteld]

You do know that the actor who played Short Round in TOD isn't a little kid anymore with the funny voice , he an adult now who can speak properly ? If you get The Indiana Jones Trilogy on Dvd in the interview segment in the dvd special features . you'll see in Tempel of Doom dvd that the actor is much old now .and he's got a deep voice .

I know that obviously. I'm saying he'd be grown up and has become an (?)archaeologist(?) himself and saw Indy looking for the same thing he was. And yes I have the trilogy set, watched em all this past week.

[bullets]

You do know that the actor who played Short Round in TOD isn't a little kid anymore with the funny voice , he an adult now who can speak properly ? If you get The Indiana Jones Trilogy on Dvd in the interview segment in the dvd special features . you'll see in Tempel of Doom dvd that the actor is much old now .and he's got a deep voice .


That is true his schtick was over by the time he was on head of the class.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Just watched my fave part: the waterfall sequence... I laughed and wanted to laugh so hard but I knew my brother is sleeping so I had to keep the noise level down.


What i love about the scene is when after each water-fall, everyone has to climb back into the car boat but only to fall out of it again after each fall. haha. Hilarious. I notice Indy takes off his hat and clutches it against him before the third drop. hehe he sure loves his hat.

[Mladen]

Also he know nothing more or will ever know from then on about it . Indy five doesnt even have to mention this subplot. If you see something like that do you already know all there is to know about it besides how it's face looks .

So? As you said, "The scale is big but the doesnt truly unravel the mystery ." Yes, it does. They know that the aliens helped build that early Mayan(?) civilisation, they know that the aliens ruled them, they return the skull and the alien comes to life (the audience sees this happen, don't know how much Indy sees, but the fact that he knew the thing was alive anyway should tell him as much). They escape, and they see the spaceship take off. Then John Hurt tells him that its travelled back to its own dimension "space between spaces".

"There is still some things left to the imagination ."

name one

[bullets]

Just watched my fave part: the waterfall sequence... I laughed and wanted to laugh so hard but I knew my brother is sleeping so I had to keep the noise level down.


What i love about the scene is when after each water-fall, everyone has to climb back into the car boat but only to fall out of it again after each fall. haha. Hilarious. I notice Indy takes off his hat and clutches it against him before the third drop. hehe he sure loves his hat.



yeah that last little bit with maron clutching the steering wheel was hilarious.

[DarknessOfDeath]

"don't ever do that again..."

"yes dear..."

hehe :D

[bullets]

So? As you said, "The scale is big but the doesnt truly unravel the mystery ." Yes, it does. They know that the aliens helped build that early Mayan(?) civilisation, they know that the aliens ruled them, they return the skull and the alien comes to life (the audience sees this happen, don't know how much Indy sees, but the fact that he knew the thing was alive anyway should tell him as much). They escape, and they see the spaceship take off. Then John Hurt tells him that its travelled back to its own dimension "space between spaces".

"There is still some things left to the imagination ."

name one


the space between spaces and what else is out there .

[Episode29]

You know what kinda bothered me? Indy's complete confusion when Shia told him that Marrion was his mother. Marrion who? But then later, confesses no other woman could compete with her.

Let's say your greatest love affair was with a woman named, oh, Betsy Rutherford. You love with the passion of a thousand suns, but allas, you eventually seperate. Cut to twenty years later and some dopey kid comes calling, saying his mother told him he could count on you to help him and her. You ask her name, and he says Betsy Sniersen. Wouldn't it at least semi-dawn on you to at ask if her maiden name was, perhaps, Rutherford?

It just seemed lazy to me, and made Indy (who's usually ahead of everyone else) look like a befuddled dope.

[bullets]

shia says mary i think and not marion.

[Mladen]

shia says mary i think and not marion.

Yeah, Shia says Marion, but the last bit is obscured by shouting in the milk-bar and INDY says, "I knew lots of Marys". So he misheard and Mutt didn't ever raise the topic again because he got insulted.

[chaseter]

You know what kinda bothered me? Indy's complete confusion when Shia told him that Marrion was his mother. Marrion who? But then later, confesses no other woman could compete with her.

Let's say your greatest love affair was with a woman named, oh, Betsy Rutherford. You love with the passion of a thousand suns, but allas, you eventually seperate. Cut to twenty years later and some dopey kid comes calling, saying his mother told him he could count on you to help him and her. You ask her name, and he says Betsy Sniersen. Wouldn't it at least semi-dawn on you to at ask if her maiden name was, perhaps, Rutherford?

It just seemed lazy to me, and made Indy (who's usually ahead of everyone else) look like a befuddled dope.

Mutt never told Indy his mother's last name and only called her Mary, not Marion. Indy never called her Mary so why would he make the connection? As for when Indy was told the truth, how many guys do you know would make all the connections then and there without any surprise, befudlement, or confusion that the woman he had a child with never contacted him? This also showed that Indy isn't great with everything.

[chaseter]

Yeah, Shia says Marion, but the last bit is obscured by shouting in the milk-bar and INDY says, "I knew lots of Marys". So he misheard and Mutt didn't ever raise the topic again because he got insulted.

No...he says Mary.

[DarknessOfDeath]

See...even when he tries...Indy isn't perfect but I still love him very much :heart::D

[Mladen]

the space between spaces and what else is out there .

SPOILERS
Well we did see their faces, examples of their technology, they saw a damn big part of the mystery. "ah, and this is how they helped men learn agriculture and how to build, and this is where their council ruled over mankind, here's what a living breathing alien looks like, here's a closeup of its face, here's what their spaceship looks like. Oh, and it doesn't fly, it travels to other dimensions."
I think we have different definitions of 'subtle' and 'leaving it to the imagination'.

At least it didn't talk.
The fact that it didn't tell them EVERYTHING about the mysteries of the universe was only due to time constraints. ;)

oh well, we can all agree that Mutt was cool and that Harrison wasn't hampered by his age.

[The Caped Knight]

You know what kinda bothered me? Indy's complete confusion when Shia told him that Marrion was his mother. Marrion who? But then later, confesses no other woman could compete with her.



You know I get the feeling based on these kinds of comments (No offence to you 29) You guys really weren't paying close attention to certain details in the film .

The reason Indy was puzzled was because Mutt didn't tell Indy his mother's full name Marion Ravenwood. He just that his mother's name was Marion, Also based on Mutt's last name Willaims , Indy didn't make the connection .

Indiana even said "Marion, I knew alot of women named Marion"

[Mladen]

No...he says Mary.

I heard marion, but the last part was obscured by Indy cutting him short. (can somebody who has seen it a few times please clarify?)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I have an aunt name Marion...so maybe Indy knows her too :D:indy:

[Infinity9999x]

You know I get the feeling based on these kinds of comments (No offence to you 29) You guys really weren't paying close attention to certain details in the film .

The reason Indy was puzzled was because Mutt didn't tell Indy his mother's full name Marion Ravenwood. He just that his mother's name was Marion, Also based on Mutt's last name Willaims , Indy didn't make the connection .

Indiana even said "Marion, I knew alot of women named Marion"

He didn't even say Marion, Mutt said Mary . That's why Indy never made the connection.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I heard marion, but the last part was obscured by Indy cutting him short. (can somebody who has seen it a few times please clarify?)


currently watching it right now...

[The Caped Knight]

I heard marion, but the last part was obscured by Indy cutting him short. (can somebody who has seen it a few times please clarify?)

I've seen it twice it's Marion

[bullets]

You know I get the feeling based on these kinds of comments (No offence to you 29) You guys really weren't paying close attention to certain details in the film .

The reason Indy was puzzled was because Mutt didn't tell Indy his mother's full name Marion Ravenwood. He just that his mother's name was Marion, Also based on Mutt's last name Willaims , Indy didn't make the connection .

Indiana even said "Marion, I knew alot of women named Marion"


no dude i remember him saying mary not marion.

[Episode29]

You know I get the feeling based on these kinds of comments (No offence to you 29) You guys really weren't paying close attention to certain details in the film .

The reason Indy was puzzled was because Mutt didn't tell Indy his mother's full name Marion Ravenwood. He just that his mother's name was Marion, Also based on Mutt's last name Willaims , Indy didn't make the connection .

Indiana even said "Marion, I knew alot of women named Marion"

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy dimply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

[Infinity9999x]

no dude i remember him saying mary not marion.


It's definitely Mary, I just got out of the theater not twenty minutes ago.

[bullets]

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy dimply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.



Indy could of also just been acting fecicious or whatever.

[The Caped Knight]

Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

Their's enough time by then Indy noticed the two KGB spies looking at them.

[Infinity9999x]

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy dimply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

The reason he didn't inquire was because Mutt said his mom's name was Mary. Mary is a much more common name then Marion, which is why Indy didn't make the connection.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy dimply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

maybe he didn't think it was a big deal to him...at the moment until he saw the KGB dudes and Indy knew he and Mutt had to get the hell out of the place... ask questions later.

[Conebone69]

While I do agree with you 100% on this, how is this out of the realm of Indiana Jones:huh: The ark is opened and spirits come out taking the souls of all the nazi's, a man can pull hearts out of a chest and stones glow and catch on fire, and last but not least...a cup can heal wounds and give immortal life when filled with water. No this doesn't fit in with the Christian artifact line but it still is within canon of the films.
Yeah but there were never live aliens and flying saucers