Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Mladen]

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy simply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

good point.
if Indy did say 'Marion', to have him say something flippant 'i knew lots of marions' like that and then later say, "I knew lots of women... But they all had the same problem... they weren't you!" implies she was always on his mind. You'd expect her to at least cross his mind during the Mutt conversation, no matter how many other Marions you know.

Indy hearing mary from marion (or mutt calling her Mary) gives him an excuse and makes more sense. a lot of us are hearing different things, which is probably what was intended.

[Episode29]

good point.
if Indy did say 'Marion', to have him say something flippant 'i knew lots of marions' like that and then later say, "I knew lots of women... But they all had the same problem... they weren't you!" implies she was always on his mind. You'd expect her to at least cross his mind during the Mutt conversation, no matter how many other Marions you know.

Indy hearing mary from marion (or mutt calling her Mary) gives him an excuse and makes more sense. a lot of us are hearing different things, which is probably what was intended.

Exactly! Although I swear I heard "Marion"...

[chaseter]

Okay, if Indy did say "Mary", fine and dandy. I missed it.

But as you say, Indy dimply stating "I knew lots of Marion's", c'mon. He says that none of the other women compared to her. Hence, you'd think that he'd at least inquire about her maiden-name or something.

Why would Indy further poke into a kid's life when he says his last name is Williams and he was obviously sore about his parent's pasts?...especially his kidnapped mother. Do you know how lame it would have been if Indy asked for his mother's maiden name?

And I know for certain Mutt says Mary the first time. He may say Marion a second but at first it is Mary.

[bullets]

Yeah but there were never live aliens and flying saucers



i dont get the issue. i thought it was interesting enough and it was still involving an archaelogical find.

[chaseter]

Yeah but there were never live aliens and flying saucers

That doesn't make sense??? I do think the ending was a bit out of place and over the top...but it isn't out of canon for a fantastical plot element like that. To say alien elements are out of line and not God elements...that is just asanine. A guy that was hundreds of years old guarding a cup is seen as alright and aliens are not...well then I don't know what to say.

[Infinity9999x]

Exactly! Although I swear I heard "Marion"...


It was Mary, I'm sure of it.


At least, I think I am, all this talk about it has me doubting. :csad:

Though I'd still bet money on Mary.

[Conebone69]

Its just too out of territory for me. God forbid I have opinions!

[chaseter]

Its just too out of territory for me. God forbid I have opinions!

I think you will find most people agree with you on that part...including me, but saying it doesn't belong according to a 3 film history is a faulty opinion.

[Bunker]

I just saw it tonight, I liked it a lot, the action was pretty exciting and the whole thing kept me entertained, the crowd actually clapped at the end, which was surprising.

[Joker]

Its just too out of territory for me. God forbid I have opinions!

Yes, before this, there were never aliens. But then again, before Temple of Doom, we never had anyone get there heart ripped out and keep on living. Just cause it's the first time it's been done doesnt mean it doesnt fit. All it means is we hadnt seen it before.

On an unrelated note, just got back from seeing it the 2nd time, and plan on going again next week with another group. It's fun as hell, and even better the 2nd time around, I would say.

Also, Mutt defineitly says "Mary" the first time.

[Stevens25]

I think an Indiana Jones cartoon would be an awesome idea! Or at least,an animated film. It would have to be an adult friendly cartoon though(like with death,violence;etc).

Btw,has anyone seen this idiotic story? Jeez.:whatever:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

[Fading]

How I saw the Marion deal is (and he did say Mary, pretty sure of it) is that she was the one, but it had been 20 years. I think she was the girl he compared all other girls too which is why he said, "but they didn't work because they weren't you". Which means over the years no other girl had a chance because of his love for Marion. However that doesn't mean time can't make you temporarily forget a person's name, or that Marion is constantly on his mind. He's human and just like the rest of us can forget someones name, even if she was on his mind over the years, this is a long time later and he's seen a lot since. Seeing her in person just immediately rejogged his memory as a face is more easily recognizable than a name.

[DACrowe]

I don't think the aliens necessarily coming to life at the end were so bad as how it was done. Too much CGI and really not that satisfying. The room spun really fast and the bad guy dies stupidly (like in every Indy movie, but this time we felt the formula) and they escape to see a flying saucer.

If the skulls had

[spoiler]

Killed Blanchett and then the main characters escape as the room is spinning and glowing and we don't know what happens in there, other than it just collapses and ceases to be...that would have been vague and cool enough. But so much cGI and aliens and a spaceship...felt not quite all there.

I stand by this has the weakest finale of the four films, but at the same time I think the first two acts are strong enough (even though they have their problems) that the movie manages to pull it off as a satisfying adventure yarn, but not the epics the first three were.

I hope if there is a fifth one that Speilberg abandons lucas's advice and grounds it more in real locations and practical effects and avoids most things computers for it. It also would need to be made within the next five years or their window is gone.

BTW has anyone tried to figure out everywhere Jones has been in his life:

-He dug for mummies in Egypt as a boy
-He rode with Pancho Villas
-He fought in the infantry of WWI
-Spied on the communists before the rise of Lenin in Russia
-Served in the French Foreign Legion
-Went to college in Chicago and became part of the jazz scene

All before the age of 25.

-Had many adventures in the east apparently, not the least of which in discovering the last Thugee cult and destroying it
-Found the Ark of the Covenant
-Found the Holy Grail
-Spied on the Nazis in WWII and apparently helped fight in the underground
-Spied on the Soviets at the beginning of the Cold War in Berlin
-Went to Roswell
-Broke into Area 51
-And found living aliens that apparently built the Mayan culture.

Anything else? Quite busy for one lifetime.

[Mladen]

How I saw the Marion deal is (and he did say Mary, pretty sure of it) is that she was the one, but it had been 20 years. I think she was the girl he compared all other girls too which is why he said, "but they didn't work because they weren't you". Which means over the years no other girl had a chance because of his love for Marion. However that doesn't mean time can't make you temporarily forget a person's name, or that Marion is constantly on his mind. He's human and just like the rest of us can forget someones name, even if she was on his mind over the years, this is a long time later and he's seen a lot since. Seeing her in person just immediately rejogged his memory as a face is more easily recognizable than a name.

I find it hard to believe you've ever been in love? You don't just forget somebody's name. They may not always be on your mind, but if somebody mentions that name, its hard to keep thoughts flooding back, regardless of how much time has passed.
Obviously doesn't apply if he heard 'mary'

[Mladen]

I
Anything else? Quite busy for one lifetime.

Lets not forget the accusations of grave-robbery at Honduras, and the 'misunderstanding' with the Sultan of Madagascar.

[The Caped Knight]

I see The E.T. angle as a sort of explanation of how later on in Indy's world on Earth Modern technology will come into existence from whatever other Advance Alien Technology that was uncovered by the USA that is probably in Hanger 51 .

Just like it was established in the movie universe "TRANSFORMERS" The USA used Megatron & The Cube to create modern Tech .

[Joker]

I don't think the aliens necessarily coming to life at the end were so bad as how it was done. Too much CGI and really not that satisfying. The room spun really fast and the bad guy dies stupidly (like in every Indy movie, but this time we felt the formula) and they escape to see a flying saucer.

If the skulls had

[spoiler]

Killed Blanchett and then the main characters escape as the room is spinning and glowing and we don't know what happens in there, other than it just collapses and ceases to be...that would have been vague and cool enough. But so much cGI and aliens and a spaceship...felt not quite all there.

I stand by this has the weakest finale of the four films, but at the same time I think the first two acts are strong enough (even though they have their problems) that the movie manages to pull it off as a satisfying adventure yarn, but not the epics the first three were.

I hope if there is a fifth one that Speilberg abandons lucas's advice and grounds it more in real locations and practical effects and avoids most things computers for it. It also would need to be made within the next five years or their window is gone.

BTW has anyone tried to figure out everywhere Jones has been in his life:

-He dug for mummies in Egypt as a boy
-He rode with Pancho Villas
-He fought in the infantry of WWI
-Spied on the communists before the rise of Lenin in Russia
-Served in the French Foreign Legion
-Went to college in Chicago and became part of the jazz scene

All before the age of 25.

-Had many adventures in the east apparently, not the least of which in discovering the last Thugee cult and destroying it
-Found the Ark of the Covenant
-Found the Holy Grail
-Spied on the Nazis in WWII and apparently helped fight in the underground
-Spied on the Soviets at the beginning of the Cold War in Berlin
-Went to Roswell
-Broke into Area 51
-And found living aliens that apparently built the Mayan culture.

Anything else? Quite busy for one lifetime.

Just watch Young Indiana Jones...in the first episode alone he digs for mummies, and by the third he's hanging out with Teddy Roosevelt, hunting in Africa. He's done ALOT of crap. Even the games are in continuity, so he also rediscovered and saw Atlantis destroyed.

[DACrowe]

I see The E.T. angle as a sort of explanation of how later on in Indy's world on Earth Modern technology will come into existence from whatever other Advance Alien Technology that was uncovered by the USA that is probably in Hanger 51 .

Just like it was established in the movie universe "TRANSFORMERS" The USA used Megatron & The Cube to create modern Tech .

Don't bring up that movie.

[Mladen]

Even the games are in continuity, so he also rediscovered and saw Atlantis destroyed.

That game is great fun.
Sophia is Indy's true love (or maybe I just like red-heads).

[The Caped Knight]

Don't bring up that movie.

:wow: You didn't like :trans: ?

[Fading]

I find it hard to believe you've ever been in love? You don't just forget somebody's name. They may not always be on your mind, but if somebody mentions that name, its hard to keep thoughts flooding back, regardless of how much time has passed.
Obviously doesn't apply if he heard 'mary'

Of course I have, but at the same time we're talking about a 60 year old guy and a relationship he hasn't been in for like 20 years. Your mind slips the older you get. I'm 25, so I guess in reality I can't fully understand what your minds like at that age either. I'm just saying time can dull memory, hearing a name once might not immediately bring to mind someone you've met 20 years ago, especially when he heard "Mary" and met several Mary's since.

It's like if I had a best friend named Joe, and we did everything together. After high school I never hung around Joe again. Over the coarse of 20 years I met several ppl named Joe. Then some random stranger comes up and says, "You know Joe?".

[Ash J. Williams]

I got back earlier from seeing this and I thought it was, for the most part, enjoyable. I don't think the sci-fi element -- if it's alright to call it that -- took too much away from the movie. My only problems with the movie were the action was sometimes too far-fectched and the story was slighty weak. 7/10 for me.

[Mladen]

It's like if I had a best friend named Joe, and we did everything together. After high school I never hung around Joe again. Over the coarse of 20 years I met several ppl named Joe. Then some random stranger comes up and says, "You know Joe?".

To be fair, best friend doesn't really compare to true-love. Especially if you wouldn't say something like, "I've had a lot of friends, Joe. But something was never quite right... They weren't YOU, Joe."

There's no reason he'd think of Marion when he heard 'Mary' though. Thats fairly obvious. Its not like he EVER called her 'Mary' in Raiders, so whether thats a nickname she picked up later, or the audience and Indy are mishearing Mutt say 'Marion', then there's no reason to expect him to make the connection.
But if Indy HAD said, 'I knew a lot of Marions', well, then that'd be a whole other story

[black_dust]

Mutt "Now she said you'd help me.."
Indy "me? Whats your moms name again?"
Mutt "Mary, Mary Williams your remember her?
Indy "Ive heard alot of Marys kid"
Mutt "Shut up thats my mother your talking about! thats my mother!"

Mary :up:

[Darkness Falls]

saw it today
not bad, really enjoyable like the other 3

nice references to the others

harrison ford is still the man

[Immortalfire]

Commies offended by Indy...http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

:whatever:

[Joker]

Commies offended by Indy...http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

:whatever:

If they were smart, they woudlnt be commies. So who cares what those reds have to say. BETTER DEAD THAN RED :cmad:

[~†~§iX~†~]

The big problem I had with the plot was the fact that if Indiana or Mutt had NEVER been involved, the outcome would have still been the same.
You could say the same about Raiders though!......

[Joker]

You could say the same about Raiders though!......

And Last Crusade.

[GreenKToo]

My little corner of the world may not mean much in the grand scheme of things but, both theaters in my area that had Indy playing were sold out last nite.(3 screens showing it at one theater, 4 at the other) and when I say sold out, I mean every single showing at all the different times. We couldnt get tickets for it at all.

[~†~§iX~†~]

And Last Crusade.
I was going to say that originally, but I thought about it and I disagree. If Indy didn't get involved his Dad may not have been saved!......

[darkseid26]

i thought the movie was great, classic indie. it was full of action, in fact it probably had more than Iron Man.

my favorite seen is the car "chase" before the water fall stuff.

[Joker]

I was going to say that originally, but I thought about it and I disagree. If Indy didn't get involved his Dad may not have been saved!......

But if neither Indy nor his father got involved, as he was saying with this one (neither Indy nor Mutt) then the Nazis either would never have found the grail, or have found it on there own (maybe they could have just stolen Henry Seniors diary?) and would have all died trying to get it out anyway.

[~†~§iX~†~]

But if neither Indy nor his father got involved, as he was saying with this one (neither Indy nor Mutt) then the Nazis either would never have found the grail, or have found it on there own (maybe they could have just stolen Henry Seniors diary?) and would have all died trying to get it out anyway.

Hmmm, yeah I see that. It is one of those never ending what if debates though isn't it. But those similarities between Indy 1, 3 and 4 have always made me see Temple of Doom as the black sheep of the family. I mean, Indy actually gets what he sets out to find, and oddly enough he doesn't have this "It belongs in a museum" mentality that he has through Raiders and Crusade (Probably because oof the locals)!......

[turtlefocker]

The ending at the wedding scene] should have been filled with cameos! Sallah, Short Round, Willie Scott, the ghost of Grandpa Jones...LoL

Those two would have been great and really tied the series to a close... such a wasted opportunity...

[ultimatefan]

Mutt "Now she said you'd help me.."
Indy "me? Whats your moms name again?"
Mutt "Mary, Mary Williams your remember her?
Indy "Ive heard alot of Marys kid"
Mutt "Shut up thats my mother your talking about! thats my mother!"

Mary :up:

Yeah, she clearly adopted a different name, Williams is from her husband, I believe. Mary could be a nickname or she just decided to adopt the name Mary for some reason.

[Rac]

The ending at the wedding scene] should have been filled with cameos! Sallah, Short Round, Willie Scott, the ghost of Grandpa Jones...LoL

Those two would have been great and really tied the series to a close... such a wasted opportunity...
True.

nice references to the others
What's the full list of references to the previous three (and the Young Indy)?

I only catched:
- The Ark (Raiders)
- spying in the war (Young Indy)
- Pic of Connery (Crusade)

[Joker]

Hmmm, yeah I see that. It is one of those never ending what if debates though isn't it. But those similarities between Indy 1, 3 and 4 have always made me see Temple of Doom as the black sheep of the family. I mean, Indy actually gets what he sets out to find, and oddly enough he doesn't have this "It belongs in a museum" mentality that he has through Raiders and Crusade (Probably because oof the locals)!......

I think he develops that outlook throughout Temple. At the beginning, he's seeking "fortune and glory," showing what Belloq said about them not being all that different, and both having fallen from the light at times, is actually quite true. He even sells the ashes of that emperor to a private collector at the beginning, for a jewel. But by the end, he's come to respect the locals, and the artifacts. I honestly think if he had just been given the stones at the beginning of Temple, he would have sold them to the highest bidder, but if they hadn't fallen out of his pouch at the end, I think they would have gone to a museum, leaving the one for the village.

[turtlefocker]

With all the references to Raiders, Crusade and even young Indy it's kind of annoying that the film basically pretends Temple never happened.

[The Chris]

What's the full list of references to the previous three (and the Young Indy)?

I only catched:
- The Ark (Raiders)
- spying in the war (Young Indy)
- Pic of Connery (Crusade)

I think also when Mutt smiled at the marcus statue's head going into the car, and then he looks at Indy, who is not amused, reminded me of a similar scene in last Crusade. Also, Indy calling Mutt junior. Those are some I remember.

[Rac]

I think also when Mutt smiled at the marcus statue's head going into the car, and then he looks at Indy, who is not amused, reminded me of a similar scene in last Crusade. Also, Indy calling Mutt junior. Those are some I remember.
That just reminded how awesome the smile/no smile scene in Crusade was. :woot: But yeah, that scene in KotCS was definetely nod to LS. Junior thing too.

[Symbiotic]

When Marion showed up, the lady sitting 2 seats next to me went "Awwww. It's the girl from the first one!" No s**t. That was then followed by "Mutt's gonna turn out to be Indy's son!" Ugh. Sure, most of us saw it coming. But still, don't announce it to everyone in the whole damn theater.

[Joker]

the Pancho Villa thing is another Young Indy refference.

[Rac]

Yeah, I was thinking that could be one. Haven't seen the all the episodes so I wasn't sure.

[The Caped Knight]

With all the references to Raiders, Crusade and even young Indy it's kind of annoying that the film basically pretends Temple never happened.

Because it didn't (Spielberg even said out of the three movies, TOD was his least favorite .)

[Joker]

Because it didn't (Spielberg even said out of the three movies, TOD was his least favorite .)

It's still in continuity though. The Lost Journal pieces together pretty much all of his adventures that are in continuity, and Temple of Doom is in there.

[bullets]

When Marion showed up, the lady sitting 2 seats next to me went "Awwww. It's the girl from the first one!" No s**t. That was then followed by "Mutt's gonna turn out to be Indy's son!" Ugh. Sure, most of us saw it coming. But still, don't announce it to everyone in the whole damn theater.



Thats kind of funny . I'm suprised it would take anyone that long to catch on.

[Symbiotic]

Thats kind of funny . I'm suprised it would take anyone that long to catch on.Yeah.

[The Caped Knight]

It's still in continuity though. The Lost Journal pieces together pretty much all of his adventures that are in continuity, and Temple of Doom is in there.

That's true . So either their's a deleted scene that mention something related to TOD or Spielberg didn't think it was actually necessary to remind anyone about that awful movie .

[turtlefocker]

That's true . So either their's a deleted scene that mention something related to TOD or Spielberg didn't think it was actually necessary to remind anyone about that awful movie .

If you think that film is awful then you have ****ty taste in movies or are a film snob.... or, most likely, you're just following the crowd and haven't seen it in years.

Worst of the Indy movies? sure

Bad movie? No. ****ing. Way.

[Rac]

Thats kind of funny . I'm suprised it would take anyone that long to catch on.
Especially since we all knew who Shia was gonna play.

[bullets]

Especially since we all knew who Shia was gonna play.


People I know who don't even go online were assuming it would be his son .

[Rac]

I thought it was announced in papers and everything?

[The Caped Knight]

Commies offended by Indy...http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

:whatever:

Man alive these people really need to let go of their pride and just enjoy the movie as a form of Entertainment .

[Amazing Afroman]

Oh communists! Still frustratingly entertaining after 90 years.

[BritishChap007]

That's true . So either their's a deleted scene that mention something related to TOD or Spielberg didn't think it was actually necessary to remind anyone about that awful movie .

There is a nod to TOD. When Shia and Indy are "grave robbing," Indy tells Shia "Don't touch anything."

A direct quote from TOD.

This line is even in Trailer 2 and 3, I think.

[JackBauer]

Man alive these people really need to let go of their pride and just enjoy the movie as a form of Entertainment .

Seriously! You didn't see Nazis complaining about Raiders and Last Crusade. :D

[TLH]

Box Office Mojo estimates Indy at $31 million for Friday, bringing it's total up to $56 mill for the first two days.

[The Caped Knight]

Seriously! You didn't see Nazis complaining about Raiders and Last Crusade. :D

My thought exactly . :cwink:

[Excel]

Nice increase; nobody saw that one coming.

[The Caped Knight]

Box Office Mojo estimates Indy at $31 million for Friday, bringing it's total up to $56 mill for the first two days.

The only reason it had a weak opening Night was because it was released on a Thursday Night instead of a Friday Night .

I expect it to at least make it to $100 mill by the end of the weekend .

[Prison Mike]

With all the references to Raiders, Crusade and even young Indy it's kind of annoying that the film basically pretends Temple never happened.

it's better that way

[turtlefocker]

Box Office Mojo estimates Indy at $31 million for Friday, bringing it's total up to $56 mill for the first two days.

I don't think anyone expected it to make more on it's second night than it did on it's first. That's gotta be a good sign.

[TLH]

It should easily cross $100 million by Sunday...and probably have closer to $110 million. Monday should put it over $130 million I would guess.

[Untilteld]

I'm going to pick up the Lego Indiana Jones game today, :D. You can play as Mutt, which is weird cause it's the original trilogy.

[turtlefocker]

it's better that way

This film would feel wholly out of place in this series if Temple never happened.

[TLH]

I don't think anyone expected it to make more on it's second night than it did on it's first. That's gotta be a good sign.

I know some people who badly wanted to see the film but honestly thought it was coming out Friday (even I did for a while). In my opinion I'm not sure how many people actually knew/remembered the film actually came out on the Thursday.

Plus, long weekends mean that some people will wait for Monday.

[TLH]

This film would feel wholly out of place in this series if Temple never happened.

Temple is still a great film. Problem is it just happens to part of one of the greatest trilogies of all time, and also happens to be sandwiched in between two better films. I always thought Temple was a fantastic Indiana Jones adventure.

[turtlefocker]

It should easily cross $100 million by Sunday...and probably have closer to $110 million. Monday should put it over $130 million I would guess.

Indy will at least tie with Iron Man's 100.8 million opening weekend... meaning it beats Live Free or Die Hard's $33 million opening weekend and Prince Caspian's 55 million.

[TNC9852002]

There is a nod to TOD. When Shia and Indy are "grave robbing," Indy tells Shia "Don't touch anything."

A direct quote from TOD.

This line is even in Trailer 2 and 3, I think.
Hmmmm...I'll have to check that out. Sounds plausible.

-TNC

[terry78]

A lot of fanboys don't seem to get that most people only go to movies on the weekend. Even if it opens during the week, not many people have the time nor the funds to go until a Friday or Saturday.

[TLH]

Indy will at least tie with Iron Man's 100.8 million opening weekend... meaning it beats Live Free or Die Hard's $33 million opening weekend and Prince Caspian's 55 million.

Unless you're referring to the resurrection of a classic hero many years later kind-of-thing, I don't get the comparison. The Die Hard films never were huge box office threats -- they did well but nothing epic.

Either way, Indy was always going to beat Live Free and Narnia combined.

[Spider-Fan]

Temple is still a great film. Problem is it just happens to part of one of the greatest trilogies of all time, and also happens to be sandwiched in between two better films. I always thought Temple was a fantastic Indiana Jones adventure.

I agree. ToD is underrated. 3rd best of the series, but people act like it is the black sheep of the series.

[Mogwai]

loved this movie. loved it! 'summer' movies are the best.

[turtlefocker]

Unless you're referring to the resurrection of a classic hero many years later kind-of-thing, I don't get the comparison. The Die Hard films never were huge box office threats -- they did well but nothing epic.

Either way, Indy was always going to beat Live Free and Narnia combined.

thats what I was looking at

[Moviefan2k4]

ToD is underrated. 3rd best of the series, but people act like it is the black sheep of the series.There's a reason for that. The violence level had been raised dramatically since "Raiders", to the point that "Temple" became one of the primary catalysts for the creation of the PG-13 rating (which did not exist at the time). Also, you're dealing with a touchy subject, which was the warlord bent on occultic powers and such. there's quite a few folks who are put off by that alone, and mixed with the violence it was a lot for people to take. As a result, people bailed, and so Lucas and Speilberg made "Last Crusade", which the director described as his "apology for the second one".

Item of note: chronologically, "Temple of Doom" is actually the first "Indiana Jones" entry, as it takes place before "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

[Drizzle]

I'm going to pick up the Lego Indiana Jones game today, :D. You can play as Mutt, which is weird cause it's the original trilogy.
The game doesn't come out until June 3rd. :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

With all the references to Raiders, Crusade and even young Indy it's kind of annoying that the film basically pretends Temple never happened.

The opening titles of Temple of Doom are also really out of place.

There's a reason for that. The violence level had been raised dramatically since "Raiders", to the point that "Temple" became one of the primary catalysts for the creation of the PG-13 rating (which did not exist at the time). Also, you're dealing with a touchy subject, which was the warlord bent on occultic powers and such. there's quite a few folks who are put off by that alone, and mixed with the violence it was a lot for people to take. As a result, people bailed, and so Lucas and Speilberg made "Last Crusade", which the director described as his "apology for the second one".

Item of note: chronologically, "Temple of Doom" is actually the first "Indiana Jones" entry, as it takes place before "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Unfortunately, it leaves a gaping continuity error in the series.
But hey, George loves placing films out of order(yes, that was his idea).

[Lord Valumart]

Unfortunately, it leaves a gaping continuity error in the series.
But hey, George loves placing films out of order(yes, that was his idea).

what error?:huh:

[KALEL114]

What continuity error?

[turtlefocker]

The opening titles of Temple of Doom are also really out of place.


Unfortunately, it leaves a gaping continuity error in the series.
But hey, George loves placing films out of order(yes, that was his idea).

What continuity error...?

It works as a prequel and wouldn't make sense as a sequel...

I think he develops that outlook throughout Temple. At the beginning, he's seeking "fortune and glory," showing what Belloq said about them not being all that different, and both having fallen from the light at times, is actually quite true. He even sells the ashes of that emperor to a private collector at the beginning, for a jewel. But by the end, he's come to respect the locals, and the artifacts. I honestly think if he had just been given the stones at the beginning of Temple, he would have sold them to the highest bidder, but if they hadn't fallen out of his pouch at the end, I think they would have gone to a museum, leaving the one for the village.

[Moviefan2k4]

Of the four Indy films thus far, I think my faves are probably "Last Crusade" and "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", with "Raiders" a fairly-close third. I've seen scenes from "Temple of Doom" many times on cable, and never felt an urge to watch the whole thing. After reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, I've decided to permanently pass on it. My DVD collection for the series would include the other three, and that's it.

[PWN3R]

Temple of Doom only gets better and better as the years go on. I use to think it was just an ok film, but now I'm madly in love with it.

Short Round + Monkey Brains = Me melting :heart:

[Kevin Roegele]

Short Round is very funny, the way he copies Indy and tells Willie what to do. I'm laughing just thinking about him telling her to, "Eat it!" and shouting, "I kill you!" to some generic thug.

[PWN3R]

You cheat! YOU CHEAT!

[weezerspider]

I saw the film last night, It was really good. It had its WTF moments(Atomic Bomb scene, Monkey scene, wedding scene), but overall I'd put up there with TLC as a very good film, but still not as good as Raiders.

[Spider-X]

One thing i thought was just visually (and also conceptually) very cool was the alien skeletons. They bluish crystal just looks friggen awesome to me.

I wish i had badass crystal bones :(

[DieSmiling]

It blows my mind how much hate Temple of Doom gets. It's hands down my favorite Indy movie.

"You call him Docta Jones, doll!"

[turtlefocker]

Temple is still a great film. Problem is it just happens to part of one of the greatest trilogies of all time, and also happens to be sandwiched in between two better films. I always thought Temple was a fantastic Indiana Jones adventure.

I agree. ToD is underrated. 3rd best of the series, but people act like it is the black sheep of the series.

Temple of Doom only gets better and better as the years go on. I use to think it was just an ok film, but now I'm madly in love with it.

Short Round + Monkey Brains = Me melting :heart:

Short Round is very funny, the way he copies Indy and tells Willie what to do. I'm laughing just thinking about him telling her to, "Eat it!" and shouting, "I kill you!" to some generic thug.

It blows my mind how much hate Temple of Doom gets. It's hands down my favorite Indy movie.

"You call him Docta Jones, doll!"




TOD FTW

anyone who hates that movie has no heart. I mean, sure it's no Raiders, but It's still good and in my experience most people who hate it haven't seen it in years (or at all) or they have a ****ty personality in person (no heart)

Of the four Indy films thus far, I think my faves are probably "Last Crusade" and "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", with "Raiders" a fairly-close third. I've seen scenes from "Temple of Doom" many times on cable, and never felt an urge to watch the whole thing. After reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, I've decided to permanently pass on it. My DVD collection for the series would include the other three, and that's it.


For shame, for shame.

[Spider-X]

It blows my mind how much hate Temple of Doom gets. It's hands down my favorite Indy movie.

"You call him Docta Jones, doll!"

I don't hate it..i just think it's waaay cheaper looking, cheeser, and less coherent compared to the others

[Rezzo]

It blows my mind how much hate Temple of Doom gets. It's hands down my favorite Indy movie.

"You call him Docta Jones, doll!"

Same here, I've never had a problem with it and can't see why some say it's complete "garbage".

[Spider-X]

TOD FTW

anyone who hates that movie has no heart. I mean, sure it's no Raiders, but It's still good and in my experience most people who hate it haven't seen it in years (or at all) or they have a ****ty personality in person (no heart)

what's with you and your claims that if people don't like certain things regarding Indiana Jones films then they are worthless ****ty people who are sheeps of the masses and have poor judgement and bad breath :huh:

[turtlefocker]

what's with you and your claims that if people don't like certain things then they are worthless ****ty people with poor judgement and bad breath :huh:

I said "in my experience" as in people I know in real life... you know outside of the internet's they are *******s who happen to dislike TOD... disliking TOD isn't there defining characteristic it just happens to be a strange coincidence I suppose. They have very nice breath though.

or you know they'll say they "wouldn't like it" but haven't seen it...

[Electrix]

Russian Communists Unhappy With Indiana Jones (http://filmonic.com/russian-communists-unhappy-indiana-jones)

[Starbird]

TOD is a good movie...it's just not my favorite...but it does get its place spot before KOTCS.

[Rezzo]

Russian Communists Unhappy With Indiana Jones (http://filmonic.com/russian-communists-unhappy-indiana-jones)

Guess they don't understand that it's just a movie. :dry:

[Drizzle]

There's a reason for that. The violence level had been raised dramatically since "Raiders", to the point that "Temple" became one of the primary catalysts for the creation of the PG-13 rating (which did not exist at the time). Also, you're dealing with a touchy subject, which was the warlord bent on occultic powers and such. there's quite a few folks who are put off by that alone, and mixed with the violence it was a lot for people to take. As a result, people bailed, and so Lucas and Speilberg made "Last Crusade", which the director described as his "apology for the second one".
If by "people", do you mean yourself? Because "Temple of Doom" was a very successful film.

[turtlefocker]

That paraphrased Spielberg quote is taken completely out of context

[Schlosser85]

Other communists said the generation born after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union were being fed revisionist, Hollywood history. They advocated banning the Indiana Jones outright to prevent "ideological sabotage."
"Our movie-goers are teenagers who are completely unaware of what happened in 1957," St Peterburg Communist Party chief Sergei Malinkovich told Reuters.
"They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war."
"It's rubbish ... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the U.S. Why should we agree to that sort of lie and let the West trick our youth?"
Vladimir Mukhin, another member of the local Communist Party, said in comments posted on the Internet site that he would ask Russia's Culture Ministry to ban the film for its "anti-Soviet propaganda."


I'm fairly sure in 1936 a bunch of Nazis didn't get melted by the Ark of the Covenant either. :whatever:

[The Caped Knight]

If by "people", do you mean yourself? Because "Temple of Doom"was a very successful film.


Not Really

TOD made less money @ The Box Office than the other two indy films .

Raiders Of The Lost Ark - $209,562,121
Tempel Of Doom - $179,870,271
The Last Crusade - $197,171,806

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

And The Critics bashed it

[Moviefan2k4]

If by "people", do you mean yourself? Because "Temple of Doom" was a very successful film.I can't say for sure (I was just 4 when the film came out), but its my suspicion that much of the box-office take from "The Temple of Doom" was likely from fans of "Raiders", drawn into the prequel for its notoriety. Ang Lee's "Hulk" was a fine example of this phenomenon. Generally, it goes like this: people go to see a film because they're fans of a prior example, but often get frustrated by the next one, due to the content. Yet, the theaters and the studio still gets its money.

"The Phantom Menace" is another one. It made a colossal take in its thetrical run, simply because it was "Star Wars". Yet, nine years later, there's quite a few fans who have expressed disappointment with that entry. It made a huge amount of money, but its lasting success remains in debate. That's the kind of point I was trying to make regarding "Temple of Doom"...financial success doesn't always equal a worthwhile film.

[DieSmiling]

Not Really

TOD made less money @ The Box Office than the other two indy films .

Raiders Of The Lost Ark - $209,562,121
Tempel Of Doom - $179,870,271
The Last Crusade - $197,171,806

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

And The Critics bashed it

What are you talking about?

Adjusted for inflation it made $368 million (which is more than Last Crusade made when adjusted for inflation, $339 million) and it only cost $28 million to make, so at $179 million it clearly made a MASSIVE profit.

And I don't consider an 86% on rottentomaotes to be "critics bashing it" either.

If you don't like the film that's fine, but don't pretend it wasn't a huge hit. It was.

[DACrowe]

I posted this about TOD a few pages back, but since no one seems to have read it, here for the current discussion:

When I was little it was too dark for me and when I grew older it was too silly. But recently in the last few 3-4 since the trilogy has been on DVD, I've really learned to appreciate that movie. It is NOT nearly as good as Raiders or Crusade for that matter, but it is no better or worse than Crystal Skull. If TOD is "too dark," then Crystal Skull is too light. But they are both enjoyable experiences and worthy of the Indiana Jones brand name.

What I love about TOD now is its unique qualities. You know those bits in every Indiana Jones movie where a character says "Remember when we..." and lists some obscure previous adventure...TOD is that adventure. It is the only one in the series that isn't about racing an evil superpower to finding a missing artifact. It is about surviving basically Indy's descent into hell and back again. It was not a religious object from Christianity but about a little-known Indian cult.

It was very enjoyable in that way. And I didn't see anything wrong with Indy going dark. Yeah I think the comedy was too broad in some bits and over the top--like the monkey brain dinner scene--but it makes the movie stand out. People ***** that Capshaw's Willie Scott was annoying, but she was supposed to be. After the very independent Marion, we got the complete opposite and while her screaming got annoying, it worked.

Now what makes it really good and one of the better adventure films out there: Iconic sequences like the human sacrifice scenes. John Williams' music has never been more menacing in an Indy Jones movie and literally causes the skin to crawl. The lead Thugee (I forget his name) was amazingly well acted and IMO one of the best Indy villains, just behind Belloq and Nazi glasses guy in Raiders. The mine cart scene was intense and classic and the final battle ontop of the bridge above croc infested waters is one of the best adventure climaxes ever. Seeing Indy's slow deducing to cut the rope bridge was brilliantly hilarious.

Also, I really liked the whole build up with finding the Indian village and the menace it builds, the only thing that comes close to matching the build up of the ominous power of the ark in the first movie. And the use of children slavery and torture was bad, but when you see Indy walking back with the children at the end, you really feel he accomplished something bigger than usual this time and it can't help but bring a smile to your face.

But most of all I love the teaser. It isn't in the jungle or desert -- it opens with a hilariously self-deprecating musical number with Capshaw singing Anything Goes in Chinese. It then turns into a Bond movie circa 1935 and seeing Indy duke it out in falling ballons just makes me grin. And he and Short Round have a great rapport. While I liked Shia in this movie and his character, I thought Short Round was more of a son to Indy than Mutt will be.

In short TOD is a solid three star film, not great, but still a lot of fun and most of all different. I like it.

[DACrowe]

Not Really

TOD made less money @ The Box Office than the other two indy films .

Raiders Of The Lost Ark - $209,562,121
Tempel Of Doom - $179,870,271
The Last Crusade - $197,171,806

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

And The Critics bashed it

Oh yeah the critics sure bashed the hell out of that movie. I mean 86% on rottentomatoes is pathetic (even though it is higher than Crystal Skull)! Roger Ebert giving it 4 stars and calling it his second favorite after Raiders in the Skull review...man he sure showed Capshaw and Short Round there!

[The Caped Knight]

Ok my mistake .

[Kaiser]

Oh yeah the critics sure bashed the hell out of that movie. I mean 86% on rottentomatoes is pathetic (even though it is higher than Crystal Skull)! Roger Ebert giving it 4 stars and calling it his second favorite after Raiders in the Skull review...man he sure showed Capshaw and Short Round there!

LOL! Actually look at who is reviewing the movie on RTs and when they were reviewed.

:whatever:

[KALEL114]

FYI. The adjusted for inflation totals.
Raiders $606,416,000
TOD $368,305,800
LC $339,985,500

[DACrowe]

Oh so half of them being from critics not reviewing it in 1984 makes it void? You mean like caucus states aren't states, type logic?

Also here is a quote from Roger Ebert circa 1984:

"No apologies are necessary. This is the most cheerfully exciting, bizarre, goofy, romantic adventure movie since "Raiders," and it is high praise to say that it's not so much a sequel as an equal. It's quite an experience."

Not to say you have to agree with Ebert, but it is a fallacy when people say it was poorly received by critics and audiences alike.

[Sparky9292]

Members of the Russian Communist party have called for the new Indiana Jones film to be banned in the county because they say it distorts history.


LMFAO! Yeah and since Russians don't pirate movies much :grin:, that will be easy to accomplish!

300 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/)pissed off the Iranians.

True Lies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111503/) pissed off the Arabs for portraying them as terrorists.

Sorry, but during the 50's we did have a red scare.. it was stupid, but it fits the film.

If every director had to worry about offending some country, you'd get more films like The Sum of All Fears (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0164184/). They completely changed the villian from Arabs to white supremacists! Israel loses an A-bomb and the .... white supremacists find it and use it on the US???:csad:

[Mr. Socko]

What continuity error...?

It works as a prequel and wouldn't make sense as a sequel...

In Raiders, he is skeptical of these religious artifacts and the powers they hold, he doesn't really believe in it. This contradicts the fact that one year previously, he watched a hindu use the powers of a religion to rip a man's heart out and Indy himself even performed their magic. So in Raiders, how the heck can he be skeptical of this stuff if he witnessed and was involved in tons of supernatural things just one year prior?

The answer is because the films were made out of order.

Of the four Indy films thus far, I think my faves are probably "Last Crusade" and "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", with "Raiders" a fairly-close third. I've seen scenes from "Temple of Doom" many times on cable, and never felt an urge to watch the whole thing. After reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, I've decided to permanently pass on it. My DVD collection for the series would include the other three, and that's it.

If that is your choice, fine, but it's ridiculous to not watch a classic Indy film just because it contains things that contradict your religion. It's all harmless fun.

[Mr. Socko]

LOL! Actually look at who is reviewing the movie on RTs and when they were reviewed.

:whatever:


Unless you have a heap of "Temple" reviews from the 80s that you don't mind scanning for us, those reviews on meta and RT are the only ones we can go by. But I will agree, they are somewhat biased. Much like ESB which originally had gotten mixed reviews, now is usually looked at as the greatest Star Wars film.

[Superfreak]

great flick

1)glad he stopped talking to himself as he was during the opening adventure
2)I feel that the ship at the end was slightly overkill, but speilberg does sometimes do these cracked out things that are sometimes a little too much (the end of AI being one of those). It felt out of place, but didn't ruin the movie.

Otherwise, no raiders, no crusade, but equal to TOD

[DarkSuperman]

I just got back from seeing Indy and I have to say that was a VERY enjoyable film! I it's my second favorite indy film right behind Last Crusade. I liked Shia Lebeauf he did a very splendid job as Mutt.

I really hope they make another one. Maybe they can go after Excalibur or the Spear of Longinus?

[The Lizard]

It was OK, although not as good as the old Indy movies. I'd give it about a 7 out of 10.

Some great action of course. A little too much over-the top silliness though (eg: the nuclear refrigerator and the multiple waterfall drops), but still fun overall.

Iron Man is still the best summer movie so far by a long shot. Let's see if Hulk or Dark Knight can change that.

[black_dust]

It was OK, although not as good as the old Indy movies. I'd give it about a 7.5 out of 10.

Some great action of course. A little too much over-the top silliness though (eg: the nuclear refrigerator and the multiple waterfall drops), but still fun overall.

Iron Man is still the best summer movie so far by a long shot. Let's see if Hulk or Dark Knight can change that.
Agreed :D

[Rac]

Not Really

TOD made less money @ The Box Office than the other two indy films .

Raiders Of The Lost Ark - $209,562,121
Tempel Of Doom - $179,870,271
The Last Crusade - $197,171,806

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

And The Critics bashed it

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=1984&p=.htm :whatever:

FYI. The adjusted for inflation totals.
Raiders $606,416,000
TOD $368,305,800
LC $339,985,500

Wow! Raiders made a killing! :wow:

How do you do the inflation math? I wanna do it for some other old movies just for fun.

[KALEL114]

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

:up:

[DieSmiling]

How do you do the inflation math? I wanna do it for some other old movies just for fun.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

That only gives numbers for the top 100 movies, but that's where I (and I assume everyone else) has been getting their numbers.

[turtlefocker]

Not Really

TOD made less money @ The Box Office than the other two indy films .

Raiders Of The Lost Ark - $209,562,121
Tempel Of Doom - $179,870,271
The Last Crusade - $197,171,806

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

And The Critics bashed it

What are you talking about?

Adjusted for inflation it made $368 million (which is more than Last Crusade made when adjusted for inflation, $339 million) and it only cost $28 million to make, so at $179 million it clearly made a MASSIVE profit.

And I don't consider an 86% on rottentomaotes to be "critics bashing it" either.

If you don't like the film that's fine, but don't pretend it wasn't a huge hit. It was.

Oh yeah the critics sure bashed the hell out of that movie. I mean 86% on rottentomatoes is pathetic (even though it is higher than Crystal Skull)! Roger Ebert giving it 4 stars and calling it his second favorite after Raiders in the Skull review...man he sure showed Capshaw and Short Round there!

No disrespect to Kal-El but you gotta admit it's pretty funny when people get owned so massively.

[IncrediNate]

just saw it ... pretty standard spielberg work.... awesome with a little bit of overkill
but still an awesome summer flick

[KALEL114]

You can easily do it for any movie though. This should help.
http://boxofficemojo.com/about/adjuster.htm

[Fanticon]

So its become a fight between Skull and Doom, eh?:whatever:

[Rac]

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

:up:http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

That only gives numbers for the top 100 movies, but that's where I (and I assume everyone else) has been getting their numbers.You can easily do it for any movie though. This should help.
http://boxofficemojo.com/about/adjuster.htm

Thanks! :up:

Jesus GWTW and SW made some money. :wow:

[Alex The Great]

Just saw it, 8 out of 10. Nice movie....funny, action, the works....

i liked the ending lol....

oh and here's something funny....Russia has banned this movie from been viewed on the screens.....heh....poor sports.


Oh and only a NAZI would give a IJ movie 1 out of 10. :cmad:

[TLH]

No disrespect to Kal-El but you gotta admit it's pretty funny when people get owned so massively.

Uh, it's not funny.

It's hilarious :yay:

[The Senator]

I saw this last night.

I must say that I found this to be an entertaining flick. It had a few problems with it, most notably Indy surviving an atomic blast, the monkey scene, and the flesh-and-blood alien at the end,but in all, I thought Spielberg and co. did a good job capturing the spirit of the 50s pulp movies this sequel was inspired by. Most importantly, it was great to see Indy back in action.

In terms of acting, Ford was perfect as an older Jones. Ford looked and acted younger in 'Skull' than in most of his recent piles of garb-- er, films such as "Hollywood Homicide" and "Firewall." Shia LeBeouf was surprisingly good as well. He played off of Ford well, and Karen Allen's return was great. And, like always, Cate Blanchett was perfect.

I'd give this an 8/10, and I'd rank it third behind 'Raiders' and 'The Last Crusade.'

[Majik1387]

The only problem I really had with the movie were the monkeys distracting the Russians and the death of Spalko.

For the latter, it just wasn up to par with the deaths of the past movies' villains and was a bit of a let down.


I'll get more into it later, but those two things were the only things i was a bit dissappointed by.



And to those who dislike Temple of Doom, all I gotta say is you're stupid.:o

[The Man of Steel]

I don't hate Temple of Doom, It's just my least favorite of the four

[Alex The Great]

only a NAZI would dislike TOD :cmad:

[The Man of Steel]

Make That a Nazi/Russian/Allien :mad:

[Untilteld]

I don't hate Temple of Doom, It's just my least favorite of the four

Same here, I love them all but TOD has to be at the bottom for me.

[KALEL114]

Thanks! :up:

Jesus GWTW and SW made some money. :wow:
No prob. It certainly is an eye opener.

[chaseter]

In the context of the adventurer archaeologist, I believe there's a big difference in those two types of supernatural.
But as I said, the idea of aliens wasn't a big deal. The skulls, skeletons, even the alien in the bag weren't too bad at all. It kept the film from just being another relgious-relic hunt, and was good for the 50s... What I have a problem with is how it was treated by the end of the film.
Saying aliens don't exist but God does? I totally agree with you that it was a bit over the top and had me going 'ugh' as I know George thought of that moment but with visible spirits in Raiders and Aliens...what is the difference as they are both supernatural?

[DarknessOfDeath]

So its become a fight between Skull and Doom, eh?:whatever:


Skull Doom :grin:

:hehe:

[chaseter]

So? As you said, "The scale is big but the doesnt truly unravel the mystery ." Yes, it does. They know that the aliens helped build that early Mayan(?) civilisation, they know that the aliens ruled them, they return the skull and the alien comes to life (the audience sees this happen, don't know how much Indy sees, but the fact that he knew the thing was alive anyway should tell him as much). They escape, and they see the spaceship take off. Then John Hurt tells him that its travelled back to its own dimension "space between spaces".

"There is still some things left to the imagination ."

name one
But do we need more explanation for a story that most people have never heard of? Yes, Raiders and Crusade didn't need to delve as deep into explanations as most of the world knows of Jesus Christ and most know of the Ark and the Holy Grail. How many movies have dealt with such things dealing with Christianity and how many movies have dealt with the 13 mayan crystal skulls? Which do you think would need more explanation to understand the broad scope of the movie? As for explaining everything...no it doesn't. Do we know where they came from, where they actually went, will they be back, etc..etc..?

[chaseter]

It was OK, although not as good as the old Indy movies. I'd give it about a 7.5 out of 10.

Some great action of course. A little too much over-the top silliness though (eg: the nuclear refrigerator and the multiple waterfall drops), but still fun overall.

Iron Man is still the best summer movie so far by a long shot. Let's see if Hulk or Dark Knight can change that.
No to the first part and absolutely yes to the second:o:woot:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wasn't expecting anything more and different in terms of over the top action when the first three were. haha...

The waterfall scene remains my fave. :D gawd. I love that part.

[Symbiotic]

I loved the blowgun death.:word:

[DarknessOfDeath]

That was cool^^

IS that the only part you love?

Every single scene with Marion...:heart: I loved to bits.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I didn't like it.

The setting for the opening scene was awful and this should be the introduction to Indy with him being the central character, instead it's Russians and Cate Blanchett stealing the introduction, The rocket and Nuke, Jesus Christ. It wasn't even exciting it was just bewildering.

Afterwards, Indiana Jones, that's our lead hero Indiana Jones, is being pulled round on bike hanging on the back like a bubbles the pet chimp on his kid caretakers back.


I was watching this movie wondering who the hell these people are, there was no attachment to them what so ever if they lived or died, wouldn't care. Whats even more saddening is, this is a good cast, Ray Winstone, Cate Blanchet and John Hurt, who was wasted the most.

Cate Blanchet's character didn't seem bad enough, there was too much co-operation and blablabla standing around doing nothing... the only good thing was the horney inducing dominatrix vibe and even with nothing to do Indy was so bland and without spark or sas he was a secondary character in all scenes, an equal not a lead with a weird murmuring tone of monotony and apathy, it was Richard Kimble. There was no sence of danger or excitement.

Indy's son, Jesus Christ...
Then the big flying saucer, what the ****?
The thing about Knowledge being gold and the crumbling ruins and Ray Winston going for the loot was like a bad version of the last crusade Crusade.

This movie did totally suck balls.

[Symbiotic]

That was cool^^

IS that the only part you love?Absolutley not! I gave this baby a 9 out of 10 on the rating scale!

[DarknessOfDeath]

So its become a fight between Skull and Doom, eh?:whatever:


I say Skull Doom :grin:


Indiana Jones and the Skull of Doom :grin:

Absolutley not! I gave this baby a 9 out of 10 on the rating scale!


Okay okay. I havn't yet give it a rating. Wanna help me out with that? :grin::o

[Symbiotic]

Okay okay. I havn't yet give it a rating. Wanna help me out with that? :grin::oSomething higher than an 8.:word:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Something higher than an 8.:word:

I was thinking between an 8, 8.5 or a 9...

You know whats freaky? I think I may have dreamt about this movie ages ago. Somehow the scenes in it, seemed all too familiar. Weird eh?

[Symbiotic]

I was thinking between an 8, 8.5 or a 9...

You know whats freaky? I think I may have dreamt about this movie ages ago. Somehow the scenes in it, seemed all too familiar. Weird eh?Indeed.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Indeed.


Seriously man. The more I think about it, the more it gets freakier...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm scared :(

[Dark Phantom]

Here is my critique with the film.

It wasn't the fact that there were aliens, its just that missed the opportunity to explain why. What was the significant moral to be taught through the aliens and the crystal skull? Jones simply states after the fact, "Knowledge was there treasure, not gold".....okay...why didn't Lucas or Koepp build upon that?

This has been erking me since see Indy 4. The climax of the film failed to establish a senitmental conclusion within Indy tied to the mythology of the artifact. The other Indy movies prove my point. In Raiders, the moral is that man was not meant to control god's power. In Temple of Doom, Jones releases a population of children from slavery. In Last Crusade, Jones gives up the Holy Grail after realizing that he only wanted a closer relationship with his father. In Crystal Skull, we are only told after the fact! This dissapoints me because Speilberg is known for showing NOT telling. I wanted something intimate like what was shown in the Last Crusade. The supposed moral was a missed opportunity.

Overall I rated this an 8 out of 10. The beginning was good, but the climax failed to live up to expectations.

[BloodyWolverine]

Full Review.


Ok i thaught i give my full review and leave it at that for the haters will have there opinion i am gonna give my full opinion. I gave thsi movie a 10/10 and many would say that must have been an at the time vote. And i say no for i still feel the same way and i don't rewatch movies for not everyone can see the same movie more then once with gas prices 4 dollars a gallon. I am going by memory and i'll not give out major details but many may want to cover there eyes for i have alot to say in defense of the film for in my opinion best 2008 film so far and i loved Iron Man.

I have seen all 4 films 3 on vhs and dvd mostly this wa smy first theator indy film experiance but it does not increase my rating.
I would vote all 4 as such.
Raiders 10/10.
Last Crusade 10/10.
KOTCS 10/10.
TOD 9.5/10.
The whole trailer was awesomely good. But i seperate the newest chapter from the classics for its really the better idea. KOTC at best is a call back to the best parts of the first 3 and it puts the spin of what happened to Indy 19 years later.

Indy 4 answers a few question did Indy ever settle down. Did Henry senior live or die. Did Indy ever see Marion again. Temple of Doom does seem out of place here but this movie makes you smile cause it kinda further connect the family bond more from Last Crusade. The son becomes a father which is agood creative story arch.

I will not say Indy 4 is perfect for what movie is perfect. Many say Hurt had no heart in his character. John Hurt plays what he does best kinda odd and crazy which is what he does best.

Cates character was in my view best villain other then the Raiders villain. Shia in my view did a good job and even the scene in teh trees with his fury cousins was kinda seemingly wriiten with Shia in mind.
Besides him looking a bit too young to be Indy and marions of spring he was a desent character.

I loved the alien stuff and it is not lucas inspired it is so Steven Speilberg and theres nothing cooler then the effects of the ship reveal and i am sorry if seem corny but the aliens stuff worked really well for me and i liked that part of the end.

The wedding caps the end well and and i think Indys father spirit knocked off Indy hat at teh wedding saying he was watching it. For seem ment for Hnery teh 3rd to pick it up.

10/10 NO regrets.

[Rezzo]

I was thinking between an 8, 8.5 or a 9...

I gave it an 8 at first, but upon further thinking I bumped it up to a 9.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I gave it an 8 at first, but upon further thinking I bumped it up to a 9.


I still want to see it again and I plan on going on Tuesday. :) Thats only if I don't get called into work but I doubt it and Im still gonna go either way. Probably to an earlier show at around 12:30 in the afternoon.

I wanna watch the first three (again) starting with Temple Of Doom, Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade.

[DarknessOfDeath]

:dry:

*picks his nose*


Caution: http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon4.gif

*burps*

:grin:

[The Chris]

I like to look at this movie as a mix between the three previous ones. The set pieces and scenery of Raiders, the over the top nature of Temple, and the light humor of Crusade. Glad it increased on Friday. Imagine what it would have done on friday if it came out on friday.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

lol spoilers.

[Spider-Vader]

It could be the Temple of Doom before the next film, I guess.

Although even as incredibly insane as Temple of Doom was, I still liked it. Even with Han Solo in place of Indy too.
Yeah Indy did feel like Han in TOD.

Haven't seen the movie yet, but I had to post this...

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I already posted that.
Well I don't have a problem with Temple of Doom or (gasp!) the Star Wars prequels, so people saying KOTCS is "as bad" as them doesn't mean much to me.
Ditto, except I hated AOTC. It was so boring.

is kung-fu panda a remake of chris farley's Beverly Hills Ninja? i'm not clear on this one?
It's a cartoon movie.
I'm really looking forward to Eagle Eye.
Is that the new Bond?

however, episode 1 deserved the criticisms for the most part..
Nah. AOTC did.

Best movie of the year!

10/10!

And i'm alredy imaginning how could ''Indiana Jones 5'' be. Maybe Indy, Marion, Mutt and Ox searching for the Spear of Destiny?
Forget Ox, have Short Round as an archaeologist.

[Rezzo]

Is that the new Bond?

Quantum of Solace is the new Bond movie, Eagle Eye is Shia's next movie coming out in September.

[StrainedEyes]

I pretty much agree with everyone. The Nuke scene was pretty weird, it didn't feel like an Indy movie and just didn't work. The monkey scene was ridiculous. I can accept coincidences, but that was a huge one, Shia making it to the right car just in time by way of vines. And the actual visual of the alien and the saucer felt completely out of place. The ants were great, but the ant ladder wasn't executed well. It didn't have any real threat and completely disappeared after that shot, I'm sure there were plenty of ants to make a higher ladder. The first soldier being eaten was a lot more powerful and scary then the second soldier, the first soldier practically melted. The second being pulled into the hole was a little too much.
Everything involving Indy was great, I loved the nods to the old movie, the stuff with him and Mutt and Marion was all good. Everything about the story was fine up until the alien formed and became an actual being. I liked the room of skeletons and I hoped it would have done something more original with that.
The Russians also felt strange. They didn't really feel like part of a larger army looking for power, like in the older movies with the Nazis. It felt like some rogue faction of 20 soldiers looking for aliens. I didn't like it.
But, overall it was fun. I just wish it was toned down a little. Yes there are over the top moments in the old trilogy, but nothing like in this one. You can't help but feel like Lucas was involved in the intergalactic ending.

Fun, nice to see Harrison punching the crap out of people, the investigation and exploring was all great. It has a lot of good moments (The snake rope was very Indy). But it's definitely my least favorite Indy movie and I really hope Mutt doesn't get his own series. The end thing with the hat made me sad.

I wish Spielberg and co. didn't try to fit in with the Summer Blockbuster typical, I think it could have been a better more original movie, but it's great to see Harrison doing what he does best.

Oh, and seeing The Janitor's turn as an FBI agent was a little out of left field. :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I don't mind so much of the connection between Indy and Han. I love both very much and no one can be Indy and Han at the same time but Ford. Oh gawd. I loved how he said "I have a bad feeling about this..." it was so Han Solo. :heart:

So charming. No wonder Marion fell in love with him...

[Kaleb]

Well, when Mac betrayed him, and he was all "When we were spying, and you were with the OSS, etc....".

And then when the CIA gets him because they think Indy's a commie, and then General Ross comes and he's all like "Boys, you don't know who you're messing with here, this guy's got so many medals, etc, etc", remember? :cwink:

I also believe he calls Indy a militar ranking of some sort, am I wrong? :huh:
I think he calls Indy a Colonel.

[The Kid]

Alright I'm pissed. The internet's being way too harsh on this movie as usual. Therefore I will begin a flame war:

Ahem:

THIS MOVIE KICKS IRONMAN'S ASS.

discuss.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I love you :heart: Short Round is! So Cute! damn. Im gonna watch Temple of doom right now!!

[Joker]

I just want to say this...For those of you complaing about the ants doing the ladder thing, look at this...

http://www.cracked.com/article_15816_5-most-horrifying-bugs-in-world.html

4th entry. See, they can actually DO that. So your complaints about it being out of place and stupid are in fact, retarded, and you should shut up about it.

[YJ1]

This AWFUL movie ranks right up there with the most depressing and disappointing sequels I’ve ever endured. This movie hurts as much as Caddyshack 2 or Highlander 2. As a fan of the trilogy, I left the theatre completely dumbfounded after sitting through this wild and unfocused mess. I literally needed to give myself a standing eight count in the parking lot. A pause as if I was just punched in the gut. The movie really is that bad and I’m still a bit stunned. After filtering a few of the reviews, I was expecting some over-the-top, dumb action…James Bond level silliness but still an enjoyable romp. What they delivered was brain damaged sequences held together but the worst plot imaginable. George Lucas and his alien fetish needs to be expunged from the human ranks. Still being an Indy fan, I began searching for aspects of this movie that I liked and that could raise my ranking from a flat zero. I was able to elevate my gut reaction to a four out of ten but that rating is way to kind for one of the worst all around movies of the year.

4/10

[LastSunrise1981]

How has Indy done Box office wise so far?

[turtlefocker]

You had to of at least liked everything after the nuke and before the grave-yard attack.. it was pure "Last Crusade" with a little American Graffiti and classic Bond thrown in.

[turtlefocker]

How has Indy done Box office wise so far?

Domestic Total as of May. 23, 2008: $56,041,000

Production Budget: $185 million

[War Party]

Well it's box office for Friday was $31 million. And Saturdays are usually higher than Fridays, so i say the box office will just fine for this film.

[RickO'Connell]

Am I the only one that hates the stupid beginning with those annoying kids driving ? The movie should have started right when they pull up at the base. The kids were annoying that had to be Lucas's idea

[turtlefocker]

Am I the only one that hates the stupid beginning with those annoying kids driving ? The movie should have started right when they pull up at the base. The kids were annoying that had to be Lucas's idea

Stop being such an ass

[RickO'Connell]

Stop being such an ass

Neva I would have preferred a five minute long title sequence then what we got :o

[Joker]

Am I the only one that hates the stupid beginning with those annoying kids driving ? The movie should have started right when they pull up at the base. The kids were annoying that had to be Lucas's idea

I loved that part. Not only was it a great way to establish that we're in the 50's, with the hot rod and Elvis, but it also made the fact that this guy who was just racing some teenagers a few seconds ago is actually a commie with Indiana Jones in his trunk.

[RickO'Connell]

I loved that part. Not only was it a great way to establish that we're in the 50's, with the hot rod and Elvis, but it also made the fact that this guy who was just racing some teenagers a few seconds ago is actually a commie with Indiana Jones in his trunk.

With the way that one driver was smiling it was like he was expecting to see one of the girls show their boobs or something :o

[Joker]

With the way that one driver was smiling it was like he was expecting to see one of the girls show their boobs or something :o

He was only doing it to impress the girls, I think that much was meant to be obvious. He only disobeys his superior in the passengers seat when the girls tell him to go. So while he may have been a dirty commie, he was still a man :o

[StylishHokie21]

I just got back from it and thought it was alright. It's definitely the weakest of the four, but it was still entertaining. I gave it an 8....might see it one more time.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Watching Temple of Doom.

Indy vs the big guy

[The Kid]

I just want to say this...For those of you complaing about the ants doing the ladder thing, look at this...

http://www.cracked.com/article_15816_5-most-horrifying-bugs-in-world.html

4th entry. See, they can actually DO that. So your complaints about it being out of place and stupid are in fact, retarded, and you should shut up about it.

Awww the part about bullet ants... awwww :huh: :huh::huh:

[The Kid]

This AWFUL movie ranks right up there with the most depressing and disappointing sequels I’ve ever endured. This movie hurts as much as Caddyshack 2 or Highlander 2. As a fan of the trilogy, I left the theatre completely dumbfounded after sitting through this wild and unfocused mess. I literally needed to give myself a standing eight count in the parking lot. A pause as if I was just punched in the gut. The movie really is that bad and I’m still a bit stunned. After filtering a few of the reviews, I was expecting some over-the-top, dumb action…James Bond level silliness but still an enjoyable romp. What they delivered was brain damaged sequences held together but the worst plot imaginable. George Lucas and his alien fetish needs to be expunged from the human ranks. Still being an Indy fan, I began searching for aspects of this movie that I liked and that could raise my ranking from a flat zero. I was able to elevate my gut reaction to a four out of ten but that rating is way to kind for one of the worst all around movies of the year.

4/10

But Indiana jones got into a frigging refrigerator and survived a nuclear blast. I came after that. I'm sorry.

[Joker]

But Indiana jones got into a frigging refrigerator and survived a nuclear blast. I came after that. I'm sorry.

No my friend, you have it backwards. The refrigerator put Indiana Jones into it, so that his awesome powers would save IT from the nuclear blast.

[StrainedEyes]

Haha is there any possibility that a fridge (lined with lead or not) would survive an almost dead-on nuclear blast, while a car at least a mile away is obliterated?

[Stevens25]

Haha is there any possibility that a fridge (lined with lead or not) would survive an almost dead-on nuclear blast, while a car at least a mile away is obliterated?

I've wondered that myself after watching that scene.

[chaseter]

Yea that is one of three scenes or moments that I was like...ok. But minus those...I have no problems what-so-ever so I can look over them.

[StrainedEyes]

How come Marion completely disappeared from the big chase scene after getting whapped in the head?

[Drizzle]

THIS MOVIE KICKS IRONMAN'S ASS.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/Coyoteesharptongue/lex-luthor-wrong1.jpg

[Joker]

How come Marion completely disappeared from the big chase scene after getting whapped in the head?

My guess is, she got knocked out and crashed the car, only to come to and drive in later.

[StrainedEyes]

My guess is, she got knocked out and crashed the car, only to come to and drive in later.

They drove for quite a while after she vanished. She managed to catch up pretty quickly after being knocked out and crashing her car. Everyone in the movie seemed to have really good jungle navigation skills.

[Joker]

They drove for quite a while after she vanished. She managed to catch up pretty quickly after being knocked out and crashing her car. Everyone in the movie seemed to have really good jungle navigation skills.

Maybe getting hit in the head just distracted her and threw her off course, causing her to fall behind them. And she has the entire ant scene to catch up.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I forget...how much of Marion was there in Raiders? Even though she showed up about half way through in Skull, I think she had more than enough screen time cause we all know who she was when we met her in Raiders and what her relationship is to Indy so I had no real problem with the amount of screen time she had but yet again, I wouldn't have minded a little more... but she was the greatest part in this movie that I felt I was falling in love with her all over again. :heart:

[The Kid]

No my friend, you have it backwards. The refrigerator put Indiana Jones into it, so that his awesome powers would save IT from the nuclear blast.

My mistake. You're right. Then the man just looks at the mushroom cloud forming probably thinking "well that tickled..." :woot:

[The Man of Steel]

My guess is, she got knocked out and crashed the car, only to come to and drive in later.thats what id say too

[Joker]

My mistake. You're right. Then the man just looks at the mushroom cloud forming probably thinking "well that tickled..." :woot:

"Eh...I've seen bigger."

[Bond]

I saw this movie Friday night. The story was pretty ridiculous... but overall, I liked it. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Haha is there any possibility that a fridge (lined with lead or not) would survive an almost dead-on nuclear blast, while a car at least a mile away is obliterated?


When the FBI agent told Indy he'd just survived a nuclear explosion I was almost expecting Indy to say "Pfft, that was a walk in the park" :woot::oldrazz:

[DarknessOfDeath]

okay...I guess I'll have to figure it out when I watch Raiders... *sighs*

[Rezzo]

Just came back from my second viewing and I enjoyed it even more than my first time. :grin:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Anyone visit my Realm?

[Majik1387]

Saying aliens don't exist but God does? I totally agree with you that it was a bit over the top and had me going 'ugh' as I know George thought of that moment but with visible spirits in Raiders and Aliens...what is the difference as they are both supernatural?
After some rethinking, I think people are dissappointed this movie is paranormal as opposed to supernatural. They just gotta get over it.:yay:
I gave it an 8 at first, but upon further thinking I bumped it up to a 9.
Me too.
Am I the only one that hates the stupid beginning with those annoying kids driving ? The movie should have started right when they pull up at the base. The kids were annoying that had to be Lucas's idea
Yes. You are the only one who hated it. Now please be quiet.:o
I loved that part. Not only was it a great way to establish that we're in the 50's, with the hot rod and Elvis, but it also made the fact that this guy who was just racing some teenagers a few seconds ago is actually a commie with Indiana Jones in his trunk.
I totally love it, at first I was like "Eh..." but then I remembered ToD had Anything Goes opening the movie the way movies of that time frame did.
Haha is there any possibility that a fridge (lined with lead or not) would survive an almost dead-on nuclear blast, while a car at least a mile away is obliterated?
I've wondered that myself after watching that scene.
The car wasn't lined in lead and Indy wasn't in it.:o
How come Marion completely disappeared from the big chase scene after getting whapped in the head?
Deleted scene maybe?
Anyone visit my Realm?
What is your realm?

[블라스]

We can all just agree thay if someone could survive a nuclear last, well...that'd be Indy.

[StrainedEyes]

We can all just agree thay if someone could survive a nuclear last, well...that'd be Indy.

My money is on mannequin dad from mannequin family on couch.

[StrainedEyes]

So.. what was the big gift that the aliens wanted to give? Was it knowledge? That's what the movie implied but it looked more like they just wanted to kill her. I know she was saying "No more" as in her brain couldn't take any more information, but it still seemed a little sadistic. Especially with Mr. Alien's bizarre smile. I was hoping that Blanchet's head would explode, ala Raiders. But it wasn't meant to be.

[Leenie]

Like I said in my previous post in this thread, I enjoyed the movie, though I don't think it's as good as the trilogy (and I didn't expect it to be in the first place). The movie overall gets a 7.5/10 from me.

Ok, it's been over 24 hours since seeing the movie, and now that I have all of my thoughts together, I can actually elaborate on some of the hot issues concerning this film.

1) A LOT of fans have been complaining about Indy getting into the fridge that saved him from the nuclear bomb, but honestly, that didn't bother me one bit. SO MANY action movies have scenes where the audience asks themselves, "How in the hell can he get out of this one?!" and this is just one of those scenes. Most people I talked to absolutely loved Live Free or Die Hard (I did as well), and that entire film had those kind of scenes in there. I just don't see what the big deal is about that scene.

Now, if there's a scene that needs to be picked apart, it would be Shia LeBeouf being freakin' Tarzan. Seriously ... THAT was the big "WTF moment" for me.

2) I am very aware that the whole alien thing has been making a lot of people puzzled. Sure, it may be very different from the rest of the Indy movies, but I liked it! I've always interpreted the Indy movies as nods to the adventure movies that were so popular during the time periods that each film took place in. In this movie's case, it was giving a nod to the popularity of sci-fi films back in the 1950's.

In short, the certain plot twist is certainly going to turn many fans off, and I can see why. Luckily that wasn't the case for me.

[StrainedEyes]

Like I said in my previous post in this thread, I enjoyed the movie, though I don't think it's as good as the trilogy (and I didn't expect it to be in the first place). The movie overall gets a 7.5/10 from me.

Ok, it's been over 24 hours since seeing the movie, and now that I have all of my thoughts together, I can actually elaborate on some of the hot issues concerning this film.

1) A LOT of fans have been complaining about Indy getting into the fridge that saved him from the nuclear bomb, but honestly, that didn't bother me one bit. SO MANY action movies have scenes where the audience asks themselves, "How in the hell can he get out of this one?!" and this is just one of those scenes. Most people I talked to absolutely loved Live Free or Die Hard (I did as well), and that entire film had those kind of scenes in there. I just don't see what the big deal is about that scene.

Now, if there's a scene that needs to be picked apart, it would be Shia LeBeouf being freakin' Tarzan. Seriously ... THAT was the big "WTF moment" for me.

2) I am very aware that the whole alien thing has been making a lot of people puzzled. Sure, it may be very different from the rest of the Indy movies, but I liked it! I've always interpreted the Indy movies as nods to the adventure movies that were so popular during the time periods that each film took place in. In this movie's case, it was giving a nod to the popularity of sci-fi films back in the 1950's.

In short, the certain plot twist is certainly going to turn many fans off, and I can see why. Luckily that wasn't the case for me.

I think the main problem I have with the alien stuff is that you actually see it. In Raiders, Temple, and Crusade, you saw the artifact and the artifact's power, but you never saw a physical form representing the source of the power. You never saw God or Shiva or what have you, you saw the power. Which is great and what is unique about the original 3 movies..
Here it is completely blatant. I loved all the circle of skeletons stuff, and I was hoping it would explore that aspect and do what the old movies did. But instead it went the complete opposite way by having both an alien and a spaceship. It eliminated all the mystery still surrounding the crystal skull.

I like that Indiana Jones movies don't feel the need to show some creature or entity as the source of the magic or whatever. If in Temple, when all 3 stones were aligned, some mystical being formed and ripped people's hearts out, it would have been silly. That's kind of how I feel here.

I don't dislike it because it's aliens , frankly I like that, it's another field of belief and was interesting throughout most of the movie. I just think it went too far in the end.

[Joker]

So.. what was the big gift that the aliens wanted to give? Was it knowledge? That's what the movie implied but it looked more like they just wanted to kill her. I know she was saying "No more" as in her brain couldn't take any more information, but it still seemed a little sadistic. Especially with Mr. Alien's bizarre smile. I was hoping that Blanchet's head would explode, ala Raiders. But it wasn't meant to be.

I think that there was definite sarcasm when they said "gift." The skull, having been on this adventure with them, knew her motivations, and that they were selfish. As Indy said earlier, be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.

[Leenie]

I think the main problem I have with the alien stuff is that you actually see it. In Raiders, Temple, and Crusade, you saw the artifact and the artifact's power, but you never saw a physical form representing the source of the power. You never saw God or Shiva or what have you, you saw the power. Which is great and what is unique about the original 3 movies..
Here it is completely blatant. I loved all the circle of skeletons stuff, and I was hoping it would explore that aspect and do what the old movies did. But instead it went the complete opposite way by having both an alien and a spaceship. It eliminated all the mystery still surrounding the crystal skull.

I like that Indiana Jones movies don't feel the need to show some creature or entity as the source of the magic or whatever. If in Temple, when all 3 stones were aligned, some mystical being formed and ripped people's hearts out, it would have been silly. That's kind of how I feel here.

I don't dislike it because it's aliens , frankly I like that, it's another field of belief and was interesting throughout most of the movie. I just think it went too far in the end.

Oh, I completely see where you're coming from ... And I do agree with you! More mystery needed to be there. The lack of it is a part of the reason why it's my least favorite of the four.

[Vile]

Finally saw the film and I rated it a 5.

Fun film through and through, just nothing terribly special nor deserving of an Indiana Jones film. I was very surprised that besides Indy himself there was not one memorable character among the cast. They were all pretty forgettable - and the communists were just boring villains altogether.

Still, it was nice to see Indy wear the hat again...if only for the reason of "Why not?"

Here's hoping, though, they STOP franchise right here.

[nightwing06]

Ok first things first.Is it great to see Indy in action again? Yes,though watching an older Indy takes a bit getting used to.
I liked that a lot of his history is revealed during the film.
His participation in World War II,his rank,and his work for the government at the beginning of the cold war.There are nice little touches and referrences throughout the film
I thought Ford and Shia LaBeouf worked well on the big screen together
The Connecticut and Jungle chase sequences were fun.Seeing Karen Allen again was also a nice touch.
What didnt work John Hurt as Professor 'Ox' Oxley i thought his talents were waisted.Some of the CGI was a bit off.There wasnt much to Ray Winstone ... 'Mac' George McHale character he just mad e me long for John Rhys-Davies ...Sallah
Cate Blanchett's Irina Spalko should have been more fleshed out and more menacing,though i did enjoy her swordfight with Mutt.
The ending was a bit lackluster
Now on to my major gripe which contains spoilers




The whole father/son part felt forced to me and wasnt handled right
I dont mind Indy having a son.But i felt it should have been established going in.If Mutt and Indy had fallen into the same "Self Reliance" relationship he and Henry Jones Sr. had it would have been more believable.Mutt maybe escaping his own responsibilities and seeking adventure and Indy having to go after him would have been better.Spielberg stated earlier this year that this film is not about father's and sons but i think if it had been we would have ended up with a stronger film.



In the end its a good film with flaws
We can never have that same magic of Raiders of the Lost Ark
To the producers at Paramount please let Indy walk off into the sunset
Scale of 1-10 7 1/2

[Spider-Vader]

Alright I'm pissed. The internet's being way too harsh on this movie as usual. Therefore I will begin a flame war:

Ahem:

THIS MOVIE KICKS IRONMAN'S ASS.

discuss.

If you want a flame war just replace Iron Man with Batman Begins or TDK. Then the BM fan boys will flood in here like a hive of aliens



http://web.tiscalinet.it/silviodr/alien.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

After some rethinking, I think people are dissappointed this movie is paranormal as opposed to supernatural. They just gotta get over it.:yay:

Me too.

Yes. You are the only one who hated it. Now please be quiet.:o

I totally love it, at first I was like "Eh..." but then I remembered ToD had Anything Goes opening the movie the way movies of that time frame did.


The car wasn't lined in lead and Indy wasn't in it.:o

Deleted scene maybe?

What is your realm?

:dry:

Link is in my sig

[ANTOINE X]

Indy 4 third at the box office with 25M...Unless its doing good on DVD there s not gonna be a 5th movie

[spideyboy_1111]

so i finally saw indy sat night... and being a very big fan and after getting over all of the excitement of "ooo indy is back" i was sadly disappointed :(, hearing about the aliens pissed me off but made me prepare myself for them (which was good) so i tried to go in with an open mind... but... there were SOOOO plot holes in the movie....
First off... to get it out...

the Hates:

1) I am well aware indy tends to survive VERY improbable odds and do very fantastic things to get out of a pinch but... I am sorry... but no matter how much lead is lined within a fridge... there's no way a human could have survived that nuke that was clearly dropped on the city... not only would the fridge had been destroyed, but as soon as indy got out of the fridge and saw the mushroom cloud at that close of a proximity to it, he would have died a horrible and painful radiated death.

2) the magnetized (yet only when convenient, alien bodies) the aliens attract all metal... magnetized or not, with no explanation... and yet seem to not at all during the vehicle gun fight..... the bullets should have been flying at ox... or the skull should have stuck to the side of the car

3) when were the aliens archaeologists? archeology is "The systematic study of past human life and culture by the recovery and examination of remaining material evidence, such as graves, buildings, tools, and pottery. " well... last i checked the Mayans existed around the same time as about half those artifacts... i can understand them taking things to study, but they were clearly not learning about an ancient past, they were learning about human present, at the time.

4) How exactly did the explorers originally get into the chamber to steal the crystal skull? because you obviously already had to of had one in order to open the door that held them. And why take one? there were plenty more.. hell there was entire bone structures too.

5) The aliens suddenly becoming alive? with no explanation at all? I can suck that up... but it was a bit of an annoyance.

6) Snake rope... sure again we are stretching reality.. but even a boa constrictor couldn't have lived through that

7) Kate's accent.. way too thick... and she was the ultimate and really only villain? shouldn't there of been a bigger baddie ahead of that? plus Stalin i believe was never a follower of the occult or supernatural... i would have much of preferred an underground nazi organization that was still together after the end of WW2. Plus.... seriously.. stallin wants a Alien skull and nothing else in area 51?

8) Monkeys.... wtf, that had to of been the most WTF scene since Saturday Night Fever peter parker

9) Unlike the previous indy films, this one strayed from history the most. After watching the real story of the crystal skulls i was highly disappointed. the skulls are documented as human shaped (not cone headed with foil inside). And all are hidden, when the 12 are brought together they unleash a great power said to stop the "end of the world of 2012" Some theories believe the skulls were created by superior technology like atlantis, others aliens (which i was fine with aliens being in the movie for that reason... but it should have been MUCH MUCH less involvement)i think the movie would have been much better if indy had to collect 12 hidden skulls around the world and bring them together. The "incredible power" should have been knowledge itself "thus the nice lesson learned" (aliens shouldn't have been brought in till the end) it just didn't make sense for me for the alien to be all thankful, then seek death upon the villain and nearly destroying indy's clan along the way... i mean the alien obviously knew the villain was a villain but couldn't it have done something nice for indy and co to go home with? some nice metaphor like how the previous 3 indy films did?

The good:

1) Harrison Ford/Indy what can i say, the character is gold will always enjoy him

2) Marion, love her, though she came off as a crazy kook in some parts... smiling in some scenes like she was drugged up... still adorable though

3) Mutt, pretty good character, def worthy of being Indy's son.

4) the ants... loved the ant scene, as well as the waterfalls

overall i give the movie a 6.5/10 (the .5 is being generous, it disappointingly pales in comparison to the originals... looks like Lucas sucks again, just said he had to bring Spielberg down with him this time :(.

[Iceman]

Indy 4 third at the box office with 25M...Unless its doing good on DVD there s not gonna be a 5th movie

:confused: 3rd in the weekly box office. Not surprising given it was released on a thursday!

[Tojo]

So, I just saw the film. Wow, what a mixed bag. I have to say first of all that for me, it does compare in any way to the trilogy. Not even close. Crystal skull had fleeting moments of Indy magic, but not nearly enough to be thought of in the same context as Raiders, Crusade, or even Doom.

Before I watched I was digging the fact that we’d see and old Indy, that they wouldn’t try and pass him off as mid-40’s or whatever, that it was set in the 50’s and that it’s have a sci-fi/paranormal b-movie vibe to it as opposed to the trilogy. Still, like the trilogy, I expected it to be handled in a subtle way. Yes we saw crazy s**t in Crusade and Raiders at the end, because, a 500yr old Knight and evil spirits is indeed crazy s**t. This is fine, because it’s Indy. But the finale to Crystal Skull was too much, much to much. We never saw God in Raiders, and the whole thing was shrouded in mystery, as it should be. But showing outright a dodgy CGI E.T just made me think ‘oh wtf is Spielberg doing’.

Even in the warehouse when we saw the alien, or in the tent, it was just too much. Despite this the main problem for me was the script. It was convulted, bland and humourless. Without a couple of good action scenes(I actually loved the ants fight, despite it being a rip-off from raiders with the plane fight), and the chase through the university, the script would have flat-lined. It literally had no spark for me. Makes me wonder what Darabonts draft was like. Where were the jokes? No-one in the audience laughed until they saw the CGI alien death-staring Blanchett. Another problem was Ford himself. I needed subtitles to understand what he was mumbling about through 90% of the film. Other than that he seems to have lost a lot of his charm. I get it, he’s older, but still. Spalko, woefully acted by Blanchett, had zero connection or rapport with Indy, and had little to do. I expected Indy and Spalko to have sexual chemistry atleast, but no. Apart from those two action sequences I mentioned, the rest were pretty standard. I would even go as far as saying pretty unoriginal, since this is Indiana Jones. Shia swinging through the jungle with CGI monkies in tow was fu**in hilarious, in a sad way, and so untrue to an Indy film, but this is Spielberg, the man who in recent yrs was responsible for AI and a 14yr old girl doing gymnastics infront of a velociraptor and then kicking it in the head.

However, for me it was Leboeuf who shined in this. The scenes with him, Indy and Marion stood out, and he had a good rapport with Indy. I think I’m one of the few who actually liked this angle of the film.

So yes, this film disappointed. A Definate blotch on the Indy legacy. It wasn’t Star Wars prequel bad, but what Spielberg was attempting only God knows. Still, the scene where Indy picks his hat off the floor and we see his sillouhette on the car in area 51 almost made up for it by itself. Almost.

[Tojo]

so i finally saw indy sat night... and being a very big fan and after getting over all of the excitement of "ooo indy is back" i was sadly disappointed :(, hearing about the aliens pissed me off but made me prepare myself for them (which was good) so i tried to go in with an open mind... but... there were SOOOO plot holes in the movie....
First off... to get it out...

the Hates:

1) I am well aware indy tends to survive VERY improbable odds and do very fantastic things to get out of a pinch but... I am sorry... but no matter how much lead is lined within a fridge... there's no way a human could have survived that nuke that was clearly dropped on the city... not only would the fridge had been destroyed, but as soon as indy got out of the fridge and saw the mushroom cloud at that close of a proximity to it, he would have died a horrible and painful radiated death.

2) the magnetized (yet only when convenient, alien bodies) the aliens attract all metal... magnetized or not, with no explanation... and yet seem to not at all during the vehicle gun fight..... the bullets should have been flying at ox... or the skull should have stuck to the side of the car

3) when were the aliens archaeologists? archeology is "The systematic study of past human life and culture by the recovery and examination of remaining material evidence, such as graves, buildings, tools, and pottery. " well... last i checked the Mayans existed around the same time as about half those artifacts... i can understand them taking things to study, but they were clearly not learning about an ancient past, they were learning about human present, at the time.

4) How exactly did the explorers originally get into the chamber to steal the crystal skull? because you obviously already had to of had one in order to open the door that held them. And why take one? there were plenty more.. hell there was entire bone structures too.

5) The aliens suddenly becoming alive? with no explanation at all? I can suck that up... but it was a bit of an annoyance.

6) Snake rope... sure again we are stretching reality.. but even a boa constrictor couldn't have lived through that

7) Kate's accent.. way too thick... and she was the ultimate and really only villain? shouldn't there of been a bigger baddie ahead of that? plus Stalin i believe was never a follower of the occult or supernatural... i would have much of preferred an underground nazi organization that was still together after the end of WW2. Plus.... seriously.. stallin wants a Alien skull and nothing else in area 51?

8) Monkeys.... wtf, that had to of been the most WTF scene since Saturday Night Fever peter parker

9) Unlike the previous indy films, this one strayed from history the most. After watching the real story of the crystal skulls i was highly disappointed. the skulls are documented as human shaped (not cone headed with foil inside). And all are hidden, when the 12 are brought together they unleash a great power said to stop the "end of the world of 2012" Some theories believe the skulls were created by superior technology like atlantis, others aliens (which i was fine with aliens being in the movie for that reason... but it should have been MUCH MUCH less involvement)i think the movie would have been much better if indy had to collect 12 hidden skulls around the world and bring them together. The "incredible power" should have been knowledge itself "thus the nice lesson learned" (aliens shouldn't have been brought in till the end) it just didn't make sense for me for the alien to be all thankful, then seek death upon the villain and nearly destroying indy's clan along the way... i mean the alien obviously knew the villain was a villain but couldn't it have done something nice for indy and co to go home with? some nice metaphor like how the previous 3 indy films did?



I definatley agree with all of these. But Stalin's pre-occupation with the paranormal was well documented. The Russians definatley had a pyscho- paranormal department, as did the USA. This all fits in well with the extra-terrestial slant to the film.

[spideyboy_1111]

I definatley agree with all of these. But Stalin's pre-occupation with the paranormal was well documented. The Russians definatley had a pyscho- paranormal department, as did the USA. This all fits in well with the extra-terrestial slant to the film.

well thats good to know at least. ooo and i also loved the college car chase... that rocked... but overall the movie was still a huge let down. George Lucas might have some brilliant ideas.. but he's a horrible writer

[War Party]

well thats good to know at least. ooo and i also loved the college car chase... that rocked... but overall the movie was still a huge let down. George Lucas might have some brilliant ideas.. but he's a horrible writer

Lucas didn't write the script. Koepp did.

[spideyboy_1111]

Lucas didn't write the script. Koepp did.

well who ever put most of the stories or some of those ideas together sucked... and im shocked Spielberg went along with it

[Lord Valumart]

9) Unlike the previous indy films, this one strayed from history the most. After watching the real story of the crystal skulls i was highly disappointed. the skulls are documented as human shaped (not cone headed with foil inside). And all are hidden, when the 12 are brought together they unleash a great power said to stop the "end of the world of 2012" Some theories believe the skulls were created by superior technology like atlantis, others aliens (which i was fine with aliens being in the movie for that reason... but it should have been MUCH MUCH less involvement)i think the movie would have been much better if indy had to collect 12 hidden skulls around the world and bring them together. The "incredible power" should have been knowledge itself "thus the nice lesson learned" (aliens shouldn't have been brought in till the end) it just didn't make sense for me for the alien to be all thankful, then seek death upon the villain and nearly destroying indy's clan along the way... i mean the alien obviously knew the villain was a villain but couldn't it have done something nice for indy and co to go home with? some nice metaphor like how the previous 3 indy films did?

indy does mention the real skulls at a point saying that they exist and that that they don;t look like that...it was either in Ox's cell or the grave yard...

[Untilteld]

So how did 'Postal' do? Hahahaha.

[Dr.Doom]

After hearing what Lucas said about the next movie, when the hat blew towards Mutt's feet and he picked it up I was actually saying "NO, NO, NO!!!" out loud:o

[Bim]

For those interested in the numbers, box office mojo estimates this movie made US$ 31,000,000 on friday http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-05-23&p=.htm

[ANTOINE X]

I think what was lacking to make a good Indy4 movie was Villain Bosses!. Instead on focusing on clues to find the treasure I would rather focus on how to defeat a Boss villains to go trough the next step!I would Also add to the challenge a dark indy or if you want the arc enemy of Indy who would look after each other during all the adventure a bit like 'Enemy at the gates' and finally meat at the end. I think those things would have improve Indy 4 Fun factor!

[BloodyWolverine]

:confused: 3rd in the weekly box office. Not surprising given it was released on a thursday!
We are talking about a 5 day weekend here so a thursday one day hall of 25 million isn't too bad and Iron Man and Caspian wasn't even close there.
On Saturday it made 31 million so it increased some. I not sure what you ment by 3rd in weekly box office.

[Bim]

We are talking about a 5 day weekend here so a thursday one day hall of 25 million isn't too bad and Iron Man and Caspian wasn't even close there.
On Saturday it made 31 million so it increased some. I not sure what you ment by 3rd in weekly box office.
It was on friday actually, saturday's numbers arent out yet :cwink:

[BloodyWolverine]

I ment friday god whats wrong with me today. I think Iron Man has spun off its threat legs and Caspian wasn't even making good doe during the week so Indy 4 should do relatively well the first two weeks and weekends. There is Sex and The City but i would gouge my eyes out before id see that one but ofcourse people will flock but it would be a large flock to over take Indy in week 2 but some people are just idiots about what is good.

[888]

Spielberg should realize that the obsessively analytical youth of today is far too cynical for anymore indiana jones adventures. they're so compelled to prove how smart they are by pointing out the "flaws" in the flick that they never thought about the possibility that some scenes are intentionally silly or outlandish, like the old classic serials and b-movies this franchise is based on. I shudder to think what would have happened if "temple of doom" was released in the internet age.

[terry78]

Saw it last night...I did enjoy it. I liked how the filter of the actual film at the beginning seemed to look like it was made in the 80s, that was what I noticed right off the bat as soon as the old Paramount logo came up. The CGI didn't bug me, I've seen goofier stuff in the older Indiana films so I wasn't crying about it. The refrigerator thing also didn't bug me as those old pulp novels and radio shows, they could do **** like that and have it work. Blanchett's accent was cartoonishly evil, but I kept picturing Natasha Fatale and it kept taking me out of the movie. Other than that, thumbs up.

[Rezzo]

On Saturday it made 31 million so it increased some.

It made $31 million on Friday, Saturday's numbers aren't in yet. $56 million ain't bad for it's first two days.

[Bim]

Spielberg should realize that the obsessively analytical youth of today is far too cynical for anymore indiana jones adventures. they're so compelled to prove how smart they are by pointing out the "flaws" in the flick that they never thought about the possibility that some scenes are intentionally silly or outlandish, like the old classic serials and b-movies this franchise is based on. I shudder to think what would have happened if "temple of doom" was released in the internet age.
I think audiences kill their own ability to enjoy anything sometimes :huh: and with movies like this one, people tend to have absurd expectations.

[spideyboy_1111]

indy does mention the real skulls at a point saying that they exist and that that they don;t look like that...it was either in Ox's cell or the grave yard...

o i heard that as well.. but why turn one legend into 2 seperate stories of 12 skulls when the ones we have work perfectly fine in the story... :o... hell thats like making another holy grail or another arc

[TLH]

It made $31 million on Friday, Saturday's numbers aren't in yet. $56 million ain't bad for it's first two days.

Early estimates are putting it at $36 million for Saturday.

[Bim]

$37 million, according to box office mojo http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=indianajones4.htm

$33 million on sunday... sunday isnt over... is this a mistake or what? :huh: i'm confused :hehe:

[turtlefocker]

Opening Weekend: $101,000,00

Domestic Total as of May. 25, 2008: $126,000,000 (Estimate)

126 million from three days is good - budget was 185 million for reference

[StrainedEyes]

so i finally saw indy sat night... and being a very big fan and after getting over all of the excitement of "ooo indy is back" i was sadly disappointed :(, hearing about the aliens pissed me off but made me prepare myself for them (which was good) so i tried to go in with an open mind... but... there were SOOOO plot holes in the movie....
First off... to get it out...

the Hates:

1) I am well aware indy tends to survive VERY improbable odds and do very fantastic things to get out of a pinch but... I am sorry... but no matter how much lead is lined within a fridge... there's no way a human could have survived that nuke that was clearly dropped on the city... not only would the fridge had been destroyed, but as soon as indy got out of the fridge and saw the mushroom cloud at that close of a proximity to it, he would have died a horrible and painful radiated death.

2) the magnetized (yet only when convenient, alien bodies) the aliens attract all metal... magnetized or not, with no explanation... and yet seem to not at all during the vehicle gun fight..... the bullets should have been flying at ox... or the skull should have stuck to the side of the car

3) when were the aliens archaeologists? archeology is "The systematic study of past human life and culture by the recovery and examination of remaining material evidence, such as graves, buildings, tools, and pottery. " well... last i checked the Mayans existed around the same time as about half those artifacts... i can understand them taking things to study, but they were clearly not learning about an ancient past, they were learning about human present, at the time.

4) How exactly did the explorers originally get into the chamber to steal the crystal skull? because you obviously already had to of had one in order to open the door that held them. And why take one? there were plenty more.. hell there was entire bone structures too.

5) The aliens suddenly becoming alive? with no explanation at all? I can suck that up... but it was a bit of an annoyance.

6) Snake rope... sure again we are stretching reality.. but even a boa constrictor couldn't have lived through that

7) Kate's accent.. way too thick... and she was the ultimate and really only villain? shouldn't there of been a bigger baddie ahead of that? plus Stalin i believe was never a follower of the occult or supernatural... i would have much of preferred an underground nazi organization that was still together after the end of WW2. Plus.... seriously.. stallin wants a Alien skull and nothing else in area 51?

8) Monkeys.... wtf, that had to of been the most WTF scene since Saturday Night Fever peter parker

9) Unlike the previous indy films, this one strayed from history the most. After watching the real story of the crystal skulls i was highly disappointed. the skulls are documented as human shaped (not cone headed with foil inside). And all are hidden, when the 12 are brought together they unleash a great power said to stop the "end of the world of 2012" Some theories believe the skulls were created by superior technology like atlantis, others aliens (which i was fine with aliens being in the movie for that reason... but it should have been MUCH MUCH less involvement)i think the movie would have been much better if indy had to collect 12 hidden skulls around the world and bring them together. The "incredible power" should have been knowledge itself "thus the nice lesson learned" (aliens shouldn't have been brought in till the end) it just didn't make sense for me for the alien to be all thankful, then seek death upon the villain and nearly destroying indy's clan along the way... i mean the alien obviously knew the villain was a villain but couldn't it have done something nice for indy and co to go home with? some nice metaphor like how the previous 3 indy films did?

The good:

1) Harrison Ford/Indy what can i say, the character is gold will always enjoy him

2) Marion, love her, though she came off as a crazy kook in some parts... smiling in some scenes like she was drugged up... still adorable though

3) Mutt, pretty good character, def worthy of being Indy's son.

4) the ants... loved the ant scene, as well as the waterfalls

overall i give the movie a 6.5/10 (the .5 is being generous, it disappointingly pales in comparison to the originals... looks like Lucas sucks again, just said he had to bring Spielberg down with him this time :(.

I agree with all of your points. The movie had a lot of plot holes, the magnet stuff especially irked me last night thinking about the movie when I was going to sleep.

I'd like to add a few -


1. Is Area 51 really only guarded by the 5 people at the random gate entrance? No one showed up during that entire fire fight coupled with explosions.

2. A small one that's silly but kind of bothered me, When Shia took the beer from the waitress's tray, then Indy put it back, she didn't notice it and just walked away. That's a pretty ditsy waitress.

3. When Indiana jumps up and blows the poisonous dart back into the mouth of that native. Unless the dart has an arrow head at both ends, it wouldn't have stuck in the guy's mouth like it did. It some how turned around in the blow gun in order to kill the native. Yes it could have all be laced with poison and killed him that way, but the way it was animated it definitely stabbed the guy in the back of the throat.

4. Indy stopping while in danger to randomly spout of professorial knowledge about quick sand. It was funny, But when has the character ever done that before? He never pulled a comedic turn during a dangerous situation just to show how smart he is. The closest I can remember is "I said no camels, that's 5 camels!" :cwink:

6. During the jungle chase, they had plenty of straight driving space. When the cars were in line, the big cutting machine was creating a nice straight road for the cars to follow, because the jungle was incredibly dense and impossible to drive through. Indy blew that up, yet they had miles and miles of straight away to have a chase and sword fight in.

5. The entire jungle chase was riddled with too many leaps of faith. The biggest being people who fell behind not only being able to catch up in record time, but being able to find other people in such a dense and vast jungle.
First there is Shia catching up to two speeding cars by way of vines and thankfully landing a drop kick right on target.
Second is Marion who I've mentioned before. She gets hit in the head and disappears for awhile. She some how manages to get to find her way to the ant grotto (Which both Indiana and Russian car had to crash in order to get to), despite being miles away in a jungle and having no idea where the two seeding cars ended up.

6. This one is part of the jungle chase but needs it's own number. The big truck full of soldiers. Where was it during the big shoot-out/car chase? It was there when the cars were driving in a line, then when the **** hit the fan it bolted and drove out of harms way, but managed to find the ant grotto just when Blanchet needed them. People in this movie have fantastic jungle navigation skills, especially when jungle's are one of the scariest and hardest places to find your way in.

7. I'd just like to mention the magnet thing again. The shoot outs I'll be ok with, because the skull was in a bag, maybe I can buy that leap of logic. But the skull was out and about in that room full of artifacts and nothing got sucked to it. Guns were used in that final scene in the skull room and no one had trouble. In the tent scene there was no sign of anything being pulled. The crystal skull was only really magnetic during the scene in which it was found.
If we're to believe that the skeleton of the alien in the beginning was so magnetized that it could suck little bits of metal from across a room, then the actual skull without any muscle/skin/metal box should be way more magnetized.



Yes all movies have these sorts of continuity issues. But there were a lot of them in Indy 4.

I am going to see it again today with a different set of people, maybe my opinions will change.

[TLH]

$37 million, according to box office mojo http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=indianajones4.htm

$33 million on sunday... sunday isnt over... is this a mistake or what? :huh: i'm confused :hehe:

It's a projection. Sunday's tend to drop by VERY predictable percentages and these early projections are often correct or off by a couple million.

[Rezzo]

Opening Weekend: $101,000,00

Domestic Total as of May. 25, 2008: $126,000,000 (Estimate)

126 million from three days is good - budget was 185 million for reference

That's not bad. :up:

[KALEL114]

Edit: Doh! Someone beat me to it.

[terry78]

It may still do pretty well next weekend unless Sex and the City/The Strangers combo somehow beats it down.

[Bim]

It's a projection. Sunday's tend to drop by VERY predictable percentages and these early projections are often correct or off by a couple million.
Aaah ok, thanks for clearing that up for me :woot:

I'm actually looking forward to overseas numbers, i get the feeling it's been huge in my part of the world :)

[TLH]

Indiana Jones Box Office summary:
Thursday: $25,041,072
Friday: $31,000,000
Saturday: $37,000,000
Sunday: $33,000,000
------------------------
$126,041,072 over its first four days

Monday should probably add at least $22 million to that, and potentially as high as $28 million.

[Bim]

I want to see how it did wednesday worldwide, cause i saw it then and i know many did too.

[turtlefocker]

Based on this we could probably bet on Indy 5

[Bim]

And as i type this, Last Crusade starts showing in one of our local channels :woot:

[Jack O Lantern]

Spielberg should realize that the obsessively analytical youth of today is far too cynical for anymore indiana jones adventures. they're so compelled to prove how smart they are by pointing out the "flaws" in the flick that they never thought about the possibility that some scenes are intentionally silly or outlandish, like the old classic serials and b-movies this franchise is based on. I shudder to think what would have happened if "temple of doom" was released in the internet age.

Even Raiders has *flaws*. I diffently agree with you. The Die Hard franchise is a better way to look at how jaded the youth of today has become. In Die Hard 4 McClane lands on a moving jets wing and people complain about how impossible that is. In Die Hard 2 has has a fight on a planes wing and the audience of that day talk about how exciting that sequence was.

And before I'm accused of "Well in my day..." I'm 21.

[StrainedEyes]

Even Raiders has *flaws*. I diffently agree with you. The Die Hard franchise is a better way to look at how jaded the youth of today has become. In Die Hard 4 McClane lands on a moving jets wing and people complain about how impossible that is. In Die Hard 2 has has a fight on a planes wing and the audience of that day talk about how exciting that sequence was.

And before I'm accused of "Well in my day..." I'm 21.

I don't really remember any scenes in Raiders that were completely impossible in real life, aside from the obvious supernatural stuff.

Temple had the jump from the plane in the raft, I get that one (Though with a big enough raft it is possible to survive such a thing. Thank you Mythbusters). But even the bridge scene looked so much like it was possible.

Crusade again there are no stand out sequences that seems completely illogical.

People keep bringing up the argument that all the Indiana Jones films have these crazy scenes of impossibility, but I for the life of me can't remember what they were.

[chamber-music]

slightly off topic but the BBC has been showing the orginal trilogy over the past few weeks and I just realised Alfred Molina was in Raiders.

[Bim]

slightly off topic but the BBC has been showing the orginal trilogy over the past few weeks and I just realised Alfred Molina was in Raiders.
"Adios señor" :hehe:

[Jack O Lantern]

I don't really remember any scenes in Raiders that were completely impossible in real life, aside from the obvious supernatural stuff.

Karen Allen's fall into the Well of Souls. Indy being strong enough to move that ginat statue. Indy being strong enough to move that Giant Brick. Indy surviving a submerged Sub-Marine's journey.

Temple had the jump from the plane in the raft, I get that one (Though with a big enough raft it is possible to survive such a thing. Thank you Mythbusters). But even the bridge scene looked so much like it was possible.

I doubt it would be possible.

Crusade again there are no stand out sequences that seems completely illogical.

Indy and Ilsa swiming in propane but it not buring. Indy going over the cliff on the tank; it's never explained how he gets out of that' even in the long shot you don't see him jumping of the tank.

People keep bringing up the argument that all the Indiana Jones films have these crazy scenes of impossibility, but I for the life of me can't remember what they were.

None of the sequences are beyond the realm of possiblity in Indy 4; just unlikley; just like in the prvious 3. Sure the monkey is cringe worthy but not impossible.

[Kanon]

"You throw me whip, I throw you Idol"

BTW that quote was wrongly attributed to Shortie in SNL with Shia...

[TLH]

"You throw me whip, I throw you Idol"

BTW that quote was wrongly attributed to Shortie in SNL with Shia...

I believe the original from Raiders actually goes like this:
"Throw me the idol!"
"Give me the whip!"
"No time to argue. You throw me the idol, I give you the whip!"

:D I love Raiders.

[spideyboy_1111]

Karen Allen's fall into the Well of Souls. Indy being strong enough to move that ginat statue. Indy being strong enough to move that Giant Brick. Indy surviving a submerged Sub-Marine's journey.


I doubt it would be possible.


Indy and Ilsa swiming in propane but it not buring. Indy going over the cliff on the tank; it's never explained how he gets out of that' even in the long shot you don't see him jumping of the tank.


None of the sequences are beyond the realm of possiblity in Indy 4; just unlikley; just like in the prvious 3. Sure the monkey is cringe worthy but not impossible.

sorry.. but on a scale to 1to10... the original trilogies event probabilities are actually pretty damn low while CS is near 10 or above it... i can by the water falls easily... its the other crap i can't. the original trilogy other then the "mystical" elements weren't compared to the new film... seriously monkeys and a nuke? compared to getting out of a tank on time? and diving under water to not get burned? (u do realise that kerosene only burns on top right?)

[Kanon]

I agree with all of your points. The movie had a lot of plot holes, the magnet stuff especially irked me last night thinking about the movie when I was going to sleep.

I'd like to add a few -

3. When Indiana jumps up and blows the poisonous dart back into the mouth of that native. Unless the dart has an arrow head at both ends, it wouldn't have stuck in the guy's mouth like it did. It some how turned around in the blow gun in order to kill the native. Yes it could have all be laced with poison and killed him that way, but the way it was animated it definitely stabbed the guy in the back of the throat.

I think he just swallow it