Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[StrainedEyes]

Entertainment Weekly had over 30 pages devoted to Sex and the City and it made me sick. Talk about overrated.

Just because you think something is stupid, doesn't mean the world agrees with you.

If it was 30 pages for Indy you wouldn't be complaining.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I didn't say I hated the fact that theres a Sex and the City movie, and I never said it was stupid, Im just saying that 30 pages devoted to a movie wither its Indy, Iron Man, the Hulk, Speed Racer - 30 pages devoted to one movie only was unnecessary and a little overkill in the marketing aspect.

All Im saying is there was 30 pages devoted to the movie itself, isn't that a bit overrated? Cause thats all that the magazine had in it. Nothing else but they could have taken half of those 30 pages and devoted to other movies that were coming out. I'm not complaining..Im just saying...just thought I mention it.

[TLH]

Just because you think something is stupid, doesn't mean the world agrees with you.

If it was 30 pages for Indy you wouldn't be complaining.

But that's the thing...it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. He never said "and everybody/the world agrees with me". He also never called the film "stupid". All you've done is put words in his mouth. Maybe you should read posts carefully before replying to them next time.

[Matt Murdock]

Jesus Christ, don't turn this into an "I have an opinion about something and that's my right" thread. Just keep the discussion on Indy!

[DarknessOfDeath]

...

Who liked the waterfall scenes? :D

[Matt Murdock]

I liked every scene.

[Matt Murdock]

Except for the monkeys.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I liked every scene.

Really?

I need to see it again. Am planning on seeing it tomorrow. I just have to remember to go into the theater with a full stomache and comfortable clothes and oh tonight I will need a good night sleep.

Time to watch the Last crusade :o

[TLH]

Jesus Christ, don't turn this into an "I have an opinion about something and that's my right" thread. Just keep the discussion on Indy!

*slap*

"...that's for Blasphemy"

(There, now we're back to talking about Indy)

[Rezzo]

...

Who liked the waterfall scenes? :D

I absolutely loved the waterfall scenes. :up:

[StrainedEyes]

But that's the thing...it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. He never said "and everybody/the world agrees with me". He also never called the film "stupid". All you've done is put words in his mouth. Maybe you should read posts carefully before replying to them next time.

I'm sure me saying "Indiana Jones, talk about over rated." in this thread would result in everyone thinking I wasn't insulting he movie or audience who enjoys it.

[Gallagher]

I enjoyed every single second of this film. This is what the Star Wars prequels should have felt like in my opinion.

[StrainedEyes]

The fight between the ant circle is the best scene.

[Captain Planet!]

Saw it last night at the drive in, it was wonderful! I liked every minute of it! And the way they did the Aliens didn't bother me at all! Neither did Mutt swinging like a monkey. And I thought Shia was fine, I actually liked Mutt. And the CGI wasn't bad.


And for those that think it was too "corny", you must have seen a different movie than me. 9/10, and I can't wait for an Indy 5!

[TLH]

Boxofficemojo estimates $25 million for Monday, bringing the five day total for Indiana Jones to $151 million.

[StrainedEyes]

His escape from the warehouse was a good scene too. The soldiers getting fried.

[Matt Murdock]

I was surprised at how graphic some scenes in this film were, to be honest.

[Captain Planet!]

What graphic scenes?

[Nirvana]

So far I've seen this twice. Both on opening day might I add (midnight, later that afternoon). I definitely plan on seeing it a third time (hopefully later tonight) and possibly even a fourth time. I absolutely loved this movie (I gave my review several pages back). But yeah, great movie :up:

[terry78]

What graphic scenes?

Where soldiers get fried/eaten, etc.

[Captain Planet!]

Where soldiers get fried/eaten, etc.
They were no where near as graphic as scenes from Raiders. I thought that movie was a little bit over the top with the violence, but it's still a great movie.

[bunk]

I really enjoyed it. I think they could've done a better job toeing the line with the alien aspect though. It was enough to see the alien skeletons chilling in the circle. The actual alien was crossing the line for me though (and it should've been a physical creature). I wish they'd just left more to the imagination. The action was freaking relentless!

[The Guard]

I love this nonsense about "John Hurt was wasted, and that the role he played didn't require a great actor. So we're *****ing now that a good actor played a supporting role to fantastic effect?

Why was Spalko and the soviets climbing down the cliff face on ropes, after the ant attack, when they had vehicles to get away? I know they were trying to get the skulls but if memory serves me correct, at that point, Marion hadn't drove off the cliff yet...

Because they thought that was the only way down. Marion, who had driven past and seen the tree below earlier, knew that was not the case.

The alien skeletons were magnetized. But how come the soldiers' guns were unaffected inside the wearhouse?

I think that they were. The movies shows them moving, the straps, etc moving. It looked like only smaller metal objects were attracted until the alien coffin was very close to the objects (the lights, etc).

To those of you who didn't like this movie. What was so bad about it?

Ok, so it's corny. What, have you never watched another Indiana Jones movie? Read the books? Do you labor under some delusion that Indiana Jones is an entirely straight concept? The only difference between this movie and previous movies is that because this movie was made in 2008, the corniness was on an entirely different scale in this movie. If you hate the "cheese" now, how the hell did you enjoy the other three movies and their cheesiness?

As far as the writing goes: This script was not a mishmash of previous projects, as some have stated. Maybe of previous scripts for this very project, but what script isn't? I have read almost all of the previous attempts at INDY 4. The only thing they've kept intact in CRYSTAL SKULL are the very basic ideas about Indiana getting on with his life, and the idea of aliens being archaeologists.

People talk about the action in this movie "rivaling" previous movies. Please. The action in the movie beat the pants off what is in the other movies. Easily. And what's so wrong with the saucer at the end? That was an AMAZING sequence, both visually and thematically.

Anyway...

Aliens, contrary to half the statements here, do have quite a bit to do with archaeology in the context of this movie. Archaeology is defined as:

The systematic study of past human life and culture by the recovery and examination of remaining material evidence, such as graves, buildings, tools, and pottery.

Archaeology is about discovering how people lived, evolved, etc. This movies themes DEFINITELY fit that mold. It seems to me that discovering where mankind first got their ideas for things like growing crops and irrigation is a pretty damned important element of "early culture".

What was the significant moral to be taught through the aliens and the crystal skull? Jones simply states after the fact, "Knowledge was there treasure, not gold".....okay...why didn't Lucas or Koepp build upon that?

First, because it's such an obvious meaning. And two, because these two filmmakers have never felt the need to expressly build on their themes. They just state them and assume people are smart enough to figure them out.

In Raiders, the moral is that man was not meant to control god's power. In Temple of Doom, Jones releases a population of children from slavery. In Last Crusade, Jones gives up the Holy Grail after realizing that he only wanted a closer relationship with his father.

"Not all treasure is material", and "Knowledge is power. But too much of it can be dangerous if you haven't been prepared for it's effects". And along the same lines, "humans are not meant to walk with gods".

Wow, that was hard to figure out. Those are clearly the themes of this movie. The idea of the atomic/nuclear bomb was even tied into this theme. And it's effects were, as well. Unlimited knowledge in irresponsible hands.

Indiana and the others shied away from finding out exactly what went on with the aliens. They knew they weren't ready. Irena thought she was, and she was "destroyed".

The crystal skull had to be returned so that the "hive mind" could return to it's dimension with the knowledge they had acquired on Earth. Their treasure was indeed knowledge, and their gift was attempting to share that knowledge.

The idea of "Return" came from the aliens. Through Ox and Indy. Why would the aliens want the skull returned? Because they needed it returned to be able to return to their dimension with the knowledge they had acquired about humanity. Like Irena said, there were other crash sites. This points to there being other alien archaeologists.

The gift that the aliens offered was EVERYTHING they knew. A gift Indy wanted no part of. Not because he wanted to be rude, but precisely because he knew, from prior experience with the crystal skull, that it was too much to process for a human mind. That may well have been a gift for a higher being. But the humans weren't ready for that yet. As Indy said: "Careful what you wish for" and later, he states "You can't imagine it, and neither could the humans who built this place". There's a very definite inference there. The movie made it clear that it was very difficult for humans to communicate via the skulls/aliens. That it affected humans in a way that was detrimental. That the human brain could not handle it. Irena thought she could simply because she wanted it, but obviously was not worthy of the gift. Looked at a little more closely, one can see that these are at once science fiction and religious themes. Think about it. What does that remind you of, in say...a certain religion?

Human minds not being able to handle something larger in scale...

As far as this "the movie explains too much" talk...

Why, when the cup of Christ was explained in detail and its effects seen on both ends of the spectrum, when the Ark was explained in detail and its effects seen, when the Sankra stones were explained and their effects seen, would the nature of the aliens not be explained?

Are people complaining because the nature of the aliens was more interesting and relevant to both Indiana Jones and our world, and simply fleshed out better? I think that may well be the case, under the circumstances. And I think a lot of people simply haven't realized that yet.

I think the main problem I have with the alien stuff is that you actually see it. In Raiders, Temple, and Crusade, you saw the artifact and the artifact's power, but you never saw a physical form representing the source of the power.

Give me a break. Previous films showed physical forms representative of the power. In CRUSADE you saw the hundreds year old knight guarding the chalice. In RAIDERS, you saw the very spirits who were the forces inside the Ark. Both of those movies movies showed almost everything relevant about their respective plot points, and as I recall, so did TEMPLE OF DOOM. Don't whine because CRYSTALL SKULL has even more to offer in terms of themes and relevance and story.

People, with this movie, Indiana Jones has entered a new "age". Both in terms of the actual year the movies are happening and in his own continuity. That is the entire point of the "atomic bomb cloud" scene. It is symbolic. The movie in general, and I would think this is just common knowledge, on some level has to be bigger, louder, and more intense to compete with movies now.

Too many of you have an absolutely ridiculous rose-colored glasses view of the previous movies, which were very entertaining, but no less "flawed". And obviously many of you just have no blooming idea what the nature of a movie serial is. There are scenes in CRYSTAL SKULL that are immediate parodies of the concepts involved in the Indiana Jones mythology, and they are intended to be that way. The way Indiana and his friends survive ridiculous perils and impossible odds. The weird "Oh no" looks Irena keeps giving when things go wrong for her, those "Here we go again" looks. And many other elements. I look at the poses people are striking in this movie, at the kind of action beats...at the escalating and ongoing perils, and it's just sheer brilliance. The only difference between this movie and previous movies in this regard is that the "impossible to survive" moments are bigger (and funnier), and in the end, the themes were somewhat bigger and more relevant.

To those of you who truly didn't like this movie?

What the hell were you looking for?

[Bim]

*slap*

"...that's for Blasphemy"

(There, now we're back to talking about Indy)
:hehe: good one, i just saw Last Crusade yesterday :woot:

[Captain Planet!]

So... what should be after in Indy 5? :D

I think it'd be cool to see him go to Japan, or China again.

[BlackLantern]

city of Atlantis or some other big myth.....

[Bim]

IF there's a fifth, i'd love for it to be about Atlantis :yay:

[Rocker22]

Well they already tackled Atlantis in one of the games.

[BlackLantern]

the games are kinda crappy though....Emperors' Tomb was OK at best, the new Indy game due out later in the year looks promising though

[Lord Valumart]

i thought infernal machine was good until the end...

[Rocker22]

the games are kinda crappy though....Emperors' Tomb was OK at best, the new Indy game due out later in the year looks promising though

Yeah but they are using them as continuity's in the Lost Diary I have heard.

[BlackLantern]

the plots of the games were OK, but the games were poorly executed....

[The Caped Knight]

I saw it for the third time last night , I notice during The Atomic Bomb sequence , just before it drop. It reads "I like Ike" on it . The same joke Jones said before he escapes Area 51 .

[Bim]

Well they already tackled Atlantis in one of the games.
I havent played any of the games :oldrazz: so it's new to me :hehe:

[DarknessOfDeath]

what about the hmm I dunno. Im currently watching a video about the Maya calendar and this whole thing about what may happen in 2012...

I know the alien has been done now, what else could come after that?

[The Lizard]

the death of Spalko.

For the latter, it just wasnt up to par with the deaths of the past movies' villains and was a bit of a let down.

Agreed. The gruesome final deaths are an Indy tradition, and this one just didn't measure up. It was like a video game effect. :csad:

[bunk]

Well they already tackled Atlantis in one of the games.


It's funny, I just discovered my old Atlantis disc today by accident. It was pretty much like an artifact too, the way I had to remove a layer of dust to see what it actually was. I have no memory of the game at all.

[Lord Valumart]

It's funny, I just discovered my old Atlantis disc today by accident. It was pretty much like an artifact too, the way I had to remove a layer of dust to see what it actually was. I have no memory of the game at all.

surely thats for the best?

[bunk]

Probably. Though I'll always remember you, Carmen Sandiego. *sniff*

[bunk]

I enjoyed a lot of the little things they threw in there.

Indy momentarily appearing to be angry at Mutt in the house when he was actually just figuring something out. Classic.

Indy remarking on how the situation is "intolerable".

[DarknessOfDeath]

what about something about the predictions for the future? or the first human civilization...

[The Guard]

I would imagine a fifth movie would almost certainly have to deal with the discovery of the cradle/origins of life, perhaps tying it to the idea of the Garden of Eden. Although Atlantis would be really, really cool. It may have been done, but it can be done so much better.

[DACrowe]

I'm feeling the urge to dust off my old copy of Infernal Machine on N64 (the only good 3D Indy game).

Anyway here's my take on the next one: Teaser is somewhere in Asia (preferably Japan or China). Then the rest of the movie is about Indy finding Excalibur and discovering Lady in the Lake is real as he fights Druids who look for it and maybe they could have a human sacrifice or two. ;) He is racing them who have an evil archelogoist helping them (if the formula ain't broke, don't fix it) and can go somewhere in the Holy Lands, France and of course Britain.

The movie should end with Indy and his family riding off into the sunset with a parallel to Last Crusade. Bring Sallah and Short Round back for cameos as well!

[Lord Valumart]

Indiana Jones and the Key to the World...deals with the garden of eden and the origins of life on earth...done and done...

[RickO'Connell]

They will probably do something where more of the Alien species find out that the humans found their place & activated the ship & the Aliens get pissed off & they send a fleet to destroy Earth & then they will after finding out bring back from the dead Jet Li's Dragon Emperor & Imothep from the first two Mummy movies & Indiana Jones & family teams up with the O'Connell's & save the world from an Alien Invasion. The name of the movie would be "Indiana Jones & The Mummy Returns Again"

Thank god I am not a script writer :wow:

[JackBauer]

surely thats for the best?

Surely you jest. Fate of Atlantis rules. Nur Ab Sal FTW.

[DarknessOfDeath]

gah... nevermind...

[DACrowe]

Favorite moments:

-Kids racing Russians to Elvis.

-Entire opening teaser afterwards but especially seeing the ark, hearing the ark music again and "Any last words, Dr. Jones?" "Yeah, I like Ike!"

-Indy reflecting on Marcus and Henry Sr.'s deaths and what Broadbent said aobut getting older. As well as comments on the Red Scare in this scene (btw Scott Holleran in his review rags on this and defends McCarthyism as a good thing at box office mojo :eek: ).

-The milkshake bar brawl including the music and the words "Get that greaser."

-The entire university chase, especially the Marcus statue getting decapitated and Indy frowning at Mutt like his father did to him in Crusade. Also the bit in the library was great.

-The blowdart bit in the graveyard.

-Indy and Mutt finding the alien crystal skull and deducing why it is there.

-Marion's reveal.

-The sand trap with the big "surprise" and the snake.

-Indy, Marion and Mutt arguing in the back of the car.

-Indy beating Mac in the car chase and the sequence as a whole (minus the lame vine swinging).

-Falling off the waterfalls.

-Seeing those natives in the lighting for the first moment.

-The aftermath scene where Indy talks about his father (and yes that includes the flying saucer).

-The final wedding scene.

[BlackLantern]

I'm feeling the urge to dust off my old copy of Infernal Machine on N64 (the only good 3D Indy game).

Anyway here's my take on the next one: Teaser is somewhere in Asia (preferably Japan or China). Then the rest of the movie is about Indy finding Excalibur and discovering Lady in the Lake is real as he fights Druids who look for it and maybe they could have a human sacrifice or two. ;) He is racing them who have an evil archelogoist helping them (if the formula ain't broke, don't fix it) and can go somewhere in the Holy Lands, France and of course Britain.

The movie should end with Indy and his family riding off into the sunset with a parallel to Last Crusade. Bring Sallah and Short Round back for cameos as well!

the last Tomb Raider game dealt with that....**** Short Round....that dudes like 30 now anyway.

[bunk]

-The entire university chase, especially the Marcus statue getting decapitated and Indy frowning at Mutt like his father did to him in Crusade. Also the bit in the library was great.



Hahaha! I forgot about that part, that was great.

[DACrowe]

Just a cameo in the teaser of him still being an occasional sidekick to INdy and a good friend who can say once "DR. JOOOOOOOOOOOONES!" Short Round is awesome no matter what.

[DarknessOfDeath]

If its decided they'll do 2 more, if I were Steven Spielberg, I would shoot 5 & 6 back to back. Anything could happen at some point but only time will tell. I know Spielberg is busy with other projects but Im not ready to say goodbye to Indiana Jones, Marion and Mutt yet. We havn;t seen much of the father/son relationship between Indy and Mutt (whom Marion confirms is Henry Jones the third in KOTCS. I'd like to see 1 or two more adventures with the Jones before the world self destructs.

[BlackLantern]

You have to think..... this film is set in 1957....if they did a next one it would have to be set no later than '59......I can't deal with Indiana Jones in the 60's

[Lord Valumart]

You have to think..... this film is set in 1957....if they did a next one it would have to be set no later than '59......I can't deal with Indiana Jones in the 60's

but weren't the 60's the same as the 50's until about 66:huh::huh:

[DarknessOfDeath]

what about the stories be set in 1958 and 1959?

[BloodyWolverine]

What if they did a story revovling around stone henge for that be cool no ones did a a real story revovling teh druids and what Stone Henge is for besides being some clock or something.

[SodaPop]

What if they did a story revovling around stone henge for that be cool no ones did a a real story revovling teh druids and what Stone Henge is for besides being some clock or something.
That would be cool, and as i've said before, the spear of destiny would be a great story.

[BloodyWolverine]

Isn't it called the spear of longenious our something. I think it was called something like that in Hellboy.

[bunk]

Should they keep using the Soviets, or find some different antagonists though?

[Lord Valumart]

they could change it to some sort of insane cult trying to take over the world...or they could have it more contained like temple...with asmall threat that would cause ripples through out the world...

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ that would be interesting.

[BloodyWolverine]

Have they done anything involving an African based legend like the Zulu tribe or maybe some primative culture. Like Australian tribe.

[shapeshifter]

so I guess i'm of the minority again.
you guys all liked it?

[TLH]

so I guess i'm of the minority again.
you guys all liked it?

Yeah, pretty much.

[BlackLantern]

so I guess i'm of the minority again.
you guys all liked it?

Yes I liked it.....don't hate:oldrazz:

[bunk]

The more I think about it, the more I realize I enjoyed it. I think Guard's post slapped some sense into me a little.

[Bim]

I liked it too :woot:

[Joker]

There's tons of legends they could still do. I've always said Spear of Destiny. The idea was being thrown around before about the cross Christ was crucified on. Stone Henge is a brilliant idea. I'm actually reading a book on Vlad Tepish, the real life Dracula, right now, and there's a chapter about how when they found his tomb, his body wasn't in it...I think that would be a cool starting off point for one of these...Indy vs a crazy Dracula cult :o

[BlackLantern]

^^^there have already been 2 movies involving religious artifacts....I don't think another is needed...

[Joker]

Actually, there have been 4 movies involving religious artifacts :o

[BlackLantern]

ok involving Christian artifacts...

[Joker]

There's only been 1 movie involving a Christian artifact :o

[BlackLantern]

the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail.....both involved GOD....I'd prefer a god free story....

[Joker]

the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail.....both involved GOD....I'd prefer a god free story....

the Ark is jewish though. Same god, yeah, but still different. And I don't mind the involvement of gods (yes, plural, as we've had the christian/jewish god, Kali, and Shiva all actively taking a role in the movies) because these movies have fantasty elements in them. I don't care if they do Stonehenge with the Druid gods, some roman or greek thing with their gods, or another christian thing. One of the old Indy comics did one with a Buddah artifact...but it wasnt very interesting...

[DACrowe]

I'd actually argue that there have been two movies involving elements of Christian importance, as the Bible begins with the Old Testament and the Ark and Hebrew people were held in high esteem (despite what Mel Gibson says :p ).

But there has only been ONE Jewish artifact as the Grail is obviously only apart of Christian lore. The Thugees existed from TOD and were a cult formed of Hindus and Muslims in India that worshipped Kali and killed in her name, but they were thieves and highway murders who used strangulation after befriendment (somewhat like the beginning of TOD), but I know of no firey human sacrifices. But I'd be interested to learn if thati s actually based on any folklore. But the Thugees were wiped out by the British (at least one thing that empire did right in the 18th and 19th centuries).

I know very little about the Crystal skulls, but as the ones of historical significance were barely mentioned in KOTCS, it doesn't really matter. What I know is that there are 13 traditional Mayan skulls (only 8 have currently been found). They supposedly have to come together at some chamber to prevent the end of the world on Dec. 21, 2012. The movie diverged from that mostly and focused on those crackpot conspiracy theorists who think that everything major in ancient human history was built by aliens, an applicable fairly tale for Jones but not nearly as cool or awe-inspiring as the Ark of the Covenant or the stones of Shiva, as they are rarely used in modern pop culture while aliens are everywhere. Also, the Grail may be referenced a lot, but no one has done a Grail chase on film better than Indy.

That is actually a pretty diverse group of artifacts and histories. I think something in Africa, eastern Asia (as it has only gotten a teaser) or Druid history in Europe would be intriguing. I like the idea of Stone Henge a lot and it could tie in with my Excalibur idea with druids and the lady of the lake. Yeah, I read it was in a TR game (which I didn't realize), but not many people play those anymore and I think Speilberg can do it differently (i.e. better). Just saying....

[DIRECTOR]

anybody here thought that Marian was ............... i don't know ............. didn't do justice to her role????? I didn't like her acting

[Tony Stark]

Just got back from seeing it. Overall an 8/10. I thought the beginning was weak, but once they got back the college campus it picked up and was solid to the end.

Overall, not as good as Raiders, and about equal with Last Crusade.

[DACrowe]

the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail.....both involved GOD....I'd prefer a god free story....

If it's a cool story, why not?

[StylishHokie21]

Just got back from seeing it. Overall an 8/10. I thought the beginning was weak, but once they got back the college campus it picked up and was solid to the end.

Overall, not as good as Raiders, and about equal with Last Crusade.

Agreed. I think I might go see it one more time.

[Joker]

What I know is that there are 13 traditional Mayan skulls (only 8 have currently been found). They supposedly have to come together at some chamber to prevent the end of the world on Dec. 21, 2012.

Wrong. The 2012 stuff is all conjecture made by those stupid crazy 2012 people. The legends dont say what the crystal skulls are for, other than they WILL (meaning by themselves due to fate) come together when "humanity most needs them."

[Gallagher]

Wrong. The 2012 stuff is all conjecture made by those stupid crazy 2012 people. The legends dont say what the crystal skulls are for, other than they WILL (meaning by themselves due to fate) come together when "humanity most needs them."

Sounds like the ****ing Avengers.

Crystal Skulls! ASSEMBLE!

[shapeshifter]

If it's a cool story, why not?
because Christianity is oppressive and putts people off

[Joker]

because Christianity is oppressive and putts people off

I'm an athiest myself, and if you people cant divorce yourself enough from that while watching an Indiana Jones movie to enjoy it, then you're idiots and dont deserve to enjoy them.

[Warhammer]

the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail.....both involved GOD....I'd prefer a god free story....

It shouldn't matter whether it is an artifact relating to God as long as the overall direction and script of the film is quality.

[shapeshifter]

I'm an athiest myself, and if you people cant divorce yourself enough from that while watching an Indiana Jones movie to enjoy it, then you're idiots and dont deserve to enjoy them.
wow be a bigger ass.
people are allowed to think what they want. disliking something is not a direct insult to you.
so piss off

[Matt Murdock]

You're quite the temperamental little fella, aren't you shapeshifter?

[Joker]

wow be a bigger ass.
people are allowed to think what they want. disliking something is not a direct insult to you.
so piss off

I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying if you're that milatant about something that's really not that important, you're not only just as bad as the "oppressive and off putting" christians, but that you dont deserve to enjoy the fun inherant in the concepts. Do you also get upset when you see Wonder Woman, because you don't believe in all that Greek stuff? Or when you see Thor, because the Norse religion was full of crazies?

[Warhammer]

You're quite the temperamental little fella, aren't you shapeshifter?

Oh damn, you just messed up now. :o

[RickO'Connell]

Here are some DVD Covers that I am messing around with what do you guys think (work in progress)

Version 1

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Version 2

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[shapeshifter]

i just get sick of how everyone feels like some of these movies are beyond reproach

[DACrowe]

because Christianity is oppressive and putts people off

I figured that'd be the answer. :whatever:

This is a movie meant for fantasy and if you can't separate yourself from your politics (as far as I'm concerned most athiests are becoming as self-righteous and holier-than-thou as the oppressive Christian denominations with far fewer benefits for their local communities--not saying you are one though) or personal beliefs long enough to enjoy an Indiana Jones movie, then just quit watching these movies all together.

Raiders and Crusade are classics and the other two are darn good. Are you going to complain about Shiva as well in Temple coming down and helping Indy kill the cult leader? Why it's no more outlandish than the stupid theorists out there who think aliens built crystal skulls and the pyramids. But it's okay to think that in this context, because it is fun.

If you are going to ***** about God's presence in Indiana Jones movies, I just feel bad for you. Especially since that is about as fanatical as those who condemn Hollywood movies for being to secular and not good-Christian fun anymore. :whatever:

[Joker]

i just get sick of how everyone feels like some of these movies are unquestionable

Attacking them for dealing with religious mythology is a stupid argument. ALL of them have dealt with it, and just because you personally dislike Christians doesnt mean no movie should feature christian mythology. It's your baggage, not the movies.

[shapeshifter]

I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying if you're that milatant about something that's really not that important, you're not only just as bad as the "oppressive and off putting" christians, but that you dont deserve to enjoy the fun inherant in the concepts. Do you also get upset when you see Wonder Woman, because you don't believe in all that Greek stuff? Or when you see Thor, because the Norse religion was full of crazies?
its a personal bias yes, but its a personal bias against one of the most fascist religions ever

[Joker]

I figured that'd be the answer. :whatever:

Tbhis is a movie meant for fantasy and if you can't separate yourself from your politics (as far as I'm concerned many athiests are becoming as self-righteous and holier-than-thou as the oppressive Christian denominations, not saying you are one though) or personal beliefs long enough to enjoy an Indiana Jones movie, then just quit watching these movies all together.

Raiders and Crusade are classics and the other two are darn good. Are you going to complain about Shiva as well in Temple coming down and helping Indy kill the cult leader? Why it's no more outlandish than the stupid theorists out there who think aliens built crystal skulls and the pyramids. But it's okay to think that in this context, because it is fun.

If you are going to ***** about God's presence in Indiana Jones movies, I just feel bad for you. Especially since that is about as fanatical as those who condemn Hollywood movies for being to secular and not good-Christian fun anymore. :whatever:

I dont always agree with you, but at the moment, I think I want to make out with you.

[Joker]

its a personal bias yes, but its a personal bias against one of the most fascist religions ever

Ever religion has at some point done exactly what the Christians do/have done. The romans fed those who didn't believe in their god, including the Christians, to lions. Fanatical Muslims still do the same things. So as I said, if you can't put aside this hatred of yours to enjoy a movie that shows not only god, but Shiva, Kali, and aliens all as having pretty much equal power, then it's your loss, and maybe you should just stop watching the movies.

[DACrowe]

I dont always agree with you, but at the moment, I think I want to make out with you.

I'll just settle for a hand shake. ;)

[Warhammer]

its a personal bias yes, but its a personal bias against one of the most fascist religions ever

*jumps in for a second*

If one brings bias into the equation, then a valid criticism is not possible.

*jumps out*

[BloodyWolverine]

I was thinking about Indiana Jones and The Tomb Of King Tut. I think he should do an eygpt one so we can get Salla back. That or a Druid/ Stone Henge Story. I know there is teh Mummy but it would be cool to see Indy and teh crew dealing with Mummies and maybe people who would later be Iraqes.

[Bim]

Here are some DVD Covers that I am messing around with what do you guys think (work in progress)

Version 1

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/727091/img/727091.jpg

Version 2

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/727199/img/727199.jpg
Nice ones :woot:

I'm liking the first one best, but the skull in the second one looks great :)

[Kanon]

I was thinking about Indiana Jones and The Tomb Of King Tut. I think he should do an eygpt one so we can get Salla back. That or a Druid/ Stone Henge Story. I know there is teh Mummy but it would be cool to see Indy and teh crew dealing with Mummies and maybe people who would later be Iraqes.
Yeah, and Indy looks cool in the desert...

[chaseter]

I was thinking about Indiana Jones and The Tomb Of King Tut. I think he should do an eygpt one so we can get Salla back. That or a Druid/ Stone Henge Story. I know there is teh Mummy but it would be cool to see Indy and teh crew dealing with Mummies and maybe people who would later be Iraqes.
No mummies coming alive please:o

[chaseter]

Well Indy whipped the competition with 101 million putting it as the 10 highest summer blockbuster opening of all time and with a grand domestic total of 126 million from its 25 million on Thursday. So had they released this puppy on a Friday, it would probably had beaten the likes of Spider-Man 1, 2 and probably X3 putting it in the 3rd or 4th spot. After today, it will easily have well over 300 million worldwide.

[Golgo-13]

Been thinking about the movie alot later. i've grown to like the Alien angle the more and more i think about it. I believe though, that they shouldn't have shown the 'being' in all it's glory at it's end. We already got a glimpse of it's hand in the warehouse; then they showed it on the autopsy table in the jungle (which i don't think they should have done. They should have just showed us it's silhouette or something and made it more subtle). This way we could leave it up to out own individual imaginations what these beings were.

But like i said, in the year the movie takes place, the subject of UFO's is perfect 'cause that's when that stuff was at it's all time high, paranoia wise.

[chaseter]

Been thinking about the movie alot later. i've grown to like the Alien angle the more and more i think about it. I believe though, that they shouldn't have shown the 'being' in all it's glory at it's end. We already got a glimpse of it's hand in the warehouse; then they showed it on the autopsy table in the jungle (which i don't think they should have done. They should have just showed us it's silhouette or something and made it more subtle). This way we could leave it up to out own individual imaginations what these beings were.

But like i said, in the year the movie takes place, the subject of UFO's is perfect 'cause that's when that stuff was at it's all time high, paranoia wise.
Read my spoiler thoughts on why we saw what we saw a few pages back. I think it is the best explanation so far.

[chaseter]

I just watched it a second time and it is much better the second go around. Still hated the Mutt-monkey part. However, I have a new theory about the alienforming at the end and it is as follows:

When objects spin in a cirlce in a fast motion, the objects appear as one, which goes along with the separate being but one consciousness line. This is the part when the skulls begin to show Irina everything. After everyone is dead but Irina, we see the true Alien...only Irina sees the alien and Irina even says "I can see". However, I think it is all in her head. The aliens were dead yet all that remained were their skeletons, imprinted with their history and their powers...the same as the current crystal skull legend that they hold information that once we have the technology to read them, we will understand their technologies and advance our own civilization. Therefore, I don't think a true alien formed at the end but was just a manifestation from the 13 sepearate skulls whose powers (their eyes) killed Irina. Those aliens had been dead for thousands of years and other aliens were looking for them as Irina mentioned evident from the Roswell and Russian crash sites.

Here Golgo

[The Kid]

I want a mutt monkey ice pop. where's the merchandise?

[StrainedEyes]

Here Golgo

I think that an alien actually forming is a better explanation then the one you cooked up.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

My brother asked me how the movie ended, I told him, he asked me if I was joking.

[Golgo-13]

Here Golgo

Yeah, i can see it going down like that. :up:

[BlackLantern]

My brother asked me how the movie ended, I told him, he asked me if I was joking.

Tell your brother to pop the stick out of his butt and go see the movie at his earliest opportunity.....:oldrazz:

[chaseter]

I think that an alien actually forming is a better explanation then the one you cooked up.
From what? Why would one single alien form from the remains of 13 dead ones?

[BlackLantern]

From what? Why would one single alien form from the remains of 13 dead ones?

Because its a physical representation of long dead beings.....

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Tell your brother to pop the stick out of his butt and go see the movie at his earliest opportunity.....:oldrazz:
Trust me it would take a whole team working round the clock to get it out of there.

Without saying to much it didn't feel like an Indy movie to me, he did several things that felt very un-Indy like.

[The Kid]

this is a comicbook forum?

[danoyse]

-Indy reflecting on Marcus and Henry Sr.'s deaths and what Broadbent said aobut getting older. As well as comments on the Red Scare in this scene (btw Scott Holleran in his review rags on this and defends McCarthyism as a good thing at box office mojo :eek: ).


Scott Holleran is the most moronic critic in the world. I swear Box Office Mojo just keeps him around to see what nonsense he can come up with next.

I loved the references to Marcus and Henry Sr, especially when Indy called Mutt "junior" at the end. Indy's going to be just like his dad, I think.

[GregComicFan]

I finally saw the movie...

I liked it. But Iron Man was way better (more entertaining, more exciting, overall) and so Iron Man still rules the summer for me (until TDK)...

I liked everything... except:

-I agree with reviewers who complained that Indy did nothing at the end of the movie. It's true. He goes into the pyramid/temple thing... goes into a room and says "ooooh aaaaah"... then he goes into another room and says "oooooh aaaahhh" again (this time the room with all the archeological artifacts).... then he enters the alien chamber and goes "oooooh wow. neat stuff!"... then Irina shows up, wakes up the alien, things start spinning, and Indiana says "ok. I'm gonna go home now" basically. The end. It really was an anti-climatic ending. The hero does nothing but exit.

-Irina was a very WEAK villain. Come on. She really was. Here's some examples why: 1) from the very beginning, she's laughable. She tries to read Indy's mind and Indy just laughs at her and thus the audience giggles and thinks she's silly too. a great villain shouldn't be marginalized and made out to be "ridiculous" to the audience. 2) She's incompetent - everytime she captures Indy, he escapes in no time. She was not threatening at all. I never believed she would do Indy harm. She was more of an annoyance than a real threatening villain. 3) Indy never fights her. Who fights her? Shia's character Mutt... and he holds his own pretty well, then does the vine-swinging jump kick on her. So a supporting character kicks the villain's butt. Once again, to the audience (and to me) this made her seem like a really weak villain. That would be like if Robin kicked the Joker's butt and Batman stood back and did nothing. This villain was lame.

-Steven Speilberg needs to find an alien and have sex with it. This guy would add aliens to every movie if he could... Close Encounters of the Third Kind, AI, War of the Worlds, and now Indiana Jones. And then the guy produced both Men in Blacks and ET and I'm probably missing some other alien-love-fest he had a hand in. Ugh. Come on. I bet if Jurassic Park 4 gets made the dinosaurs will team-up with some aliens. Seriously.

Greg

[Joker]

Indiana NEVER does anything at the end of the movies, except for Temple of Doom. The ending of this was pretty much exactly the same as the endings of Raiders and Crusade. That is NOT a valid complaint.

[GregComicFan]

Yeah I know Raiders ended pretty much the same way. That DOESNT mean I have to like it. Maybe I thought Raiders had a "soft" ending too.

I still think Irina was a crap villain.

[Warhammer]

From what? Why would one single alien form from the remains of 13 dead ones?

Well, it was said that they were a hive mind. They were physically split into 13, but shared one consciousness.

I finally saw the movie...

I liked it. But Iron Man was way better (more entertaining, more exciting, overall) and so Iron Man still rules the summer for me (until TDK)...

I liked everything... except:

-I agree with reviewers who complained that Indy did nothing at the end of the movie. It's true. He goes into the pyramid/temple thing... goes into a room and says "ooooh aaaaah"... then he goes into another room and says "oooooh aaaahhh" again (this time the room with all the archeological artifacts).... then he enters the alien chamber and goes "oooooh wow. neat stuff!"... then Irina shows up, wakes up the alien, things start spinning, and Indiana says "ok. I'm gonna go home now" basically. The end. It really was an anti-climatic ending. The hero does nothing but exit.

-Irina was a very WEAK villain. Come on. She really was. Here's some examples why: 1) from the very beginning, she's laughable. She tries to read Indy's mind and Indy just laughs at her and thus the audience giggles and thinks she's silly too. a great villain shouldn't be marginalized and made out to be "ridiculous" to the audience. 2) She's incompetent - everytime she captures Indy, he escapes in no time. She was not threatening at all. I never believed she would do Indy harm. She was more of an annoyance than a real threatening villain. 3) Indy never fights her. Who fights her? Shia's character Mutt... and he holds his own pretty well, then does the vine-swinging jump kick on her. So a supporting character kicks the villain's butt. Once again, to the audience (and to me) this made her seem like a really weak villain. That would be like if Robin kicked the Joker's butt and Batman stood back and did nothing. This villain was lame.

-Steven Speilberg needs to find an alien and have sex with it. This guy would add aliens to every movie if he could... Close Encounters of the Third Kind, AI, War of the Worlds, and now Indiana Jones. And then the guy produced both Men in Blacks and ET and I'm probably missing some other alien-love-fest he had a hand in. Ugh. Come on. I bet if Jurassic Park 4 gets made the dinosaurs will team-up with some aliens. Seriously.

Greg

If you are to blame anyone, blame George Lucas. George Lucas came up with the story, and for all we know, he wanted to do something like this since the early 90's, when he came up with the first script involving crystal skulls. Steven Spielberg put some input into how things would be executed, but he only directed the movie. He didn't write it.

[Joker]

None of Indy's villains are ever exactly competent. Short Round pretty much single handedly took down the entire Thugee cult in Temple, and he was 12 years old. Indy escaped from the Nazi's in Raiders twice, and then escaped from them two more times in Crusade. He escaped from Irina twice too, I'm not counting the one where they got to the quicksand then then immediately were recaptured.

[Joker]

Well, it was said that they were a hive mind. They were physically split into 13, but shared one consciousness.



If you are to blame anyone, blame George Lucas. George Lucas came up with the story, and for all we know, he wanted to do something like this since the early 90's, when he came up with the first script involving crystal skulls. Steven Spielberg put some input into how things would be executed, but he only directed the movie. He didn't write it.

It was originally going to be titled "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars," which does get alluded to in the dialouge in one scene. I think if they had named it that, people would have known what to expect going in, and the alien plot would have been better recieved.

[BlackLantern]

Indy and his dad took out 2 nazi war planes with Indys dads' umbrella and a ****load of luck....

[Dread]

As has become common in the 21st century, franchises from the 80's returning to the big screen from either comics (SUPERMAN RETURNS) or other properties. In just the last few years alone, TERMINATOR, RAMBO, ROCKY, TRANSFORMERS, and others have returned to the big screen after nearly a generation of absence, with more set to come (G.I. JOE is next). Entering this mix after 19 years is the lovechild of George Lucas and Steven Speilberg, INDIANA JONES, back for his 4th movie, THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. Sure, Harrison Ford is over 60, but so was Sly Stallone and he got back into the ring, right? Of course, ROCKY BALBOA was full of heart and affection for the franchise and was genuinely touching.

And yes, I know the INDY JONES franchise limped into the 90's with a TV show, "The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" that lasted two seasons and had a DTV and featured an aged, eyepatched Indy in the twilight of his life babbling about his old romps, but I barely watched that and lost interest in it fairly quick back then. Even as a kid, they felt like appetizers to the main course of a movie.

INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in 1981 all but invented (or reinvented) the "summer movie blockbuster" in many ways, with a simple storyline, a mixture of comedy and action, and thrilling stunts and set-pieces. Indy is the ultimate hero and he fights villains with little middle-ground; usually Nazi's, who never needed a motivation. From a hero who can take beatings and only have a cut lip to show for it to armies of goons who can't hit a target from ten feet away with assault weapons, INDIANA JONES perfected all of these things that had come before. The only one I saw in theaters during it's original release was LAST CRUSADE, and I was 7. I went with the whole family and while I didn't "get" everything, it was naturally thrilling and funny enough that I enjoyed the heck out of it. Naturally all of the Indy movies are pleasing for all ages and I have owned the trilogy for years, probably getting the most reply value out of the original, RAIDERS. Unlike many others, I actually liked TEMPLE OF DOOM, although it was easily the worst of the trilogy (and began Lucas' annoying habit of needless prequels). All of them have been a part of popular culture for years and have been spoofed in other films and even THE SIMPSONS.

So, after 19 years with all parties grayer, how does it stack up?

Overall, it is a fun ride. It doesn't try to outdo RAIDERS and while there are nods to LAST CRUSADE in the mention of Indy's (now deceased) father, this movie is mostly a sequel to RAIDERS. The movie is at times thrilling, but also is sometimes corny and over the top, with quite a few "oh, come ON!" moments in it. It is a crowd pleaser, though, and while it has violence, it isn't so extreme that families with grade school kids need be turned away, nor does it have sexual themes, making it the perfect family movie adventure experience. CGI, which didn't exist much in the 80's, all but rips the heart out of the thrills in this movie. Part of the thrill of past Indy films was that it was real stunts, real fire, real explosions, real rocks, etc. Here everything is all digital so that senior citizens can stumble out of the way of that dreaded green-screen. I mean it is a modern reality and naturally Lucas has become CGI's most frequent john in the bordello of SFX, but at least this isn't as overblown with CGI as the Star Wars prequels were. Still, a lack of a sense of danger to any stunt-person or actor took some of the edge off a lot of the thrills. Not to say the film lacked any; it had a few. But the edge was dulled.

Honestly, while the adventure involving the KGB and aliens and whatnot was interesting enough, what got me to enjoy the film was seeing how Indy was coping with the times and his life, and with his relationship with his latest sidekick, Mutt Williams, played by Shia LeBouf, and ultimately Marion, Karen Allen bouncing back into the franchise like she never left. The last stab at giving Indy a sidekick was Short-Round in TEMPLE OF DOOM, an annoying pre-teen stereotype. Mutt is older, cooler, and is able to take up a lot of the physical action towards the middle of the film. In many ways he reminded me of the brasher Indy from RAIDERS, and that was perhaps the point. Of course, the mentor/student dynamic takes on more significance once Mutt's heritage is revealed, which is a secret to no one, really. Next they'll tell me Anakin becomes Vader in EPISODE III.

The storyline is moved forward to 1957, the heart of the Cold War with the Russian Communists. Indiana Jones, looking grayer and sounding more grizzled than before, is dragged to the middle of the Nevada desert with his "friend-turned-enemy of the film", Mac (Ray Winstone) to dig up a relic that the military has hidden for the KGB, led by Cate Blanchett, the skinniest adversary ever to face Dr. Jones who wasn't turned into a skeleton (and who had the token fashion accessory that Lucas villains all seem to have; elbow length leather gloves). At first I thought they were after the Ark, which does get a shot on-screen, but instead they are after the evidence from Roswell. Namely, the crystal skull of an alien that is magnetic and, Blanchett's Irina Spalko believes, the key to Stalin's "psychic soldier" project (the dictator was obsessed with psychic powers during his rule). Indy manages to escape and survive a nuclear warhead detonation (!), which frankly is a bit over the top to the point where I thought, "If you can survive that, nothing will kill you". Despite having a general for a pal and a lengthy war record, the rest of the feds are knee deep into McCarthyism and naturally question Indy's patriotism because he has now been associated with Commie agents (and in the case of Mac, a double-agent). This leads to Indy being fired from his university gig and all but pushed into retirement.

But of course it doesn't end that way. Mutt Williams, a young "greaser", right down to the leather jacket and obsession with combing his hair, runs into Indy's life with a quest that leads into the skull and the life of a mutual friend. The pair are immediately on the run from KGB agents and venture into Peru and the Amazon to find Mutt's seeming father, Professor Oxley (played with eccentric charm by William Hurt). Mutt of course is inexperienced and has an attitude, but has potential that naturally his association with Indiana Jones helps unlock in him. From escaping a diner to a fight with temple savages, Indy proves himself to the young Mutt and eventually earns his respect, which is good because Mutt is essential to surviving the adventure. Obviously with Harrison Ford hampered a bit by age in the action department, Mutt takes on some of that role from him, and Shia does a good job. I thought he did well in TRANSFORMERS and here he does even better. The interesting twist is that Indy sees the potential in the boy and helps mentor him even before learning that Mutt is his son, which of course makes him feel more overprotective. Perhaps this is to counter-act the revelation that Indy has become what Superman became; a dead-beat father. Fortunately for Indy, he always had some edge to him and he can legitimately claim he "didn't know" (unlike the all-knowing Superman). Loving and leaving was typical of movie heroes for ages; the 50's was when James Bond was created, after all, and he all but cemented that tactic in the 60's.

Karen Allen is still good looking at over 50 and seems to pick up her role almost where she left, as Marion was always Indy's best female lead. The pair have chemistry and bicker well in the heat of battle. Considering that Ford himself is over 60, I appreciated having his love interest be someone near in age, unlike many franchises which pair middle aged men with women young enough to be their daughters (see: THE TUXEDO).

In a way I could understand the shift in the mythology of the series, from Biblical themed mysticism to alien stuff, and not just because of who Lucas is. The 50's was the era of B-Movie stuff, of comics and films about alien invaders in saucers and all that, and of pulp comics. There is at least an explanation beyond just going, "Oh, it's George Lucas." That said, I did think that psychic alien skulls and space-ships that go to another dimension (is it a place "a long long time ago far far away"?) was a bit much. Many have theorized that ancient cultures were visited by alien life which was how they mastered techniques without our current technology. Personally, I see this theory as an easy excuse for why people currently seem dumber than ever despite more tech and knowledge than ever in history and believing "aliens helped with ancient stuff" is an easy way to make us not feel as inept compared to people in ancient times. Some of the CGI, from the demolishing temple to the swarm of ravenous ants that plagued the heroes (great, go and rip off THE MUMMY while we're at it) was over the top and it was like watching a video game, but on the whole if you checked your logic circuit at the door, it was a bit of fun.

The suspension of belief for me was near the breaking point, though, and this was from someone who loved IRON MAN. I mean, can YOU buy that the pushing-70-years-old John Hurt can be in a boat/jeep and plummet down THREE waterfalls deep enough to kill Superman WITHOUT ONE BRUISE!? At least Indy would occasionally have a cut lip from suffering a 20 minute beating. CGI prairie dogs SUCK. And then there is the "grabbing the snake" bit, and the monkeys teaching Mutt how to "do the Tarzan" in 4 minutes, and....yeah, your mind needs to stay in "popcorn" mode for this one. Thankfully, doing so will still leave you with a smirk on your face.

And naturally there were many nostalgia moments, from the music, the "map travel sequences", Indy using the whip, his theme, tucking his fedora down to nap on a plane, menaced by snakes and poison darts, and so on. And I liked that Indy's "arc" seemed to get a sense of finality with marrying Marion and welcoming Mutt into the mix. The film also kept the final "moral" for the fate of the villains, something which Indy warned Spalko, "Careful, you may get exactly what you wish for." She wanted ultimate knowledge and it destroyed her, much as Mac's greed destroyed him. The sword-fight between Mutt and Spalko was pretty good, even if the foreshadowing for it was fairly heavy-handed.

No one walks into this movie expecting CITIZEN KANE, they are expecting a fun thrillride, and that is basically what they get. I'd give it a 7 out of 10, and while it isn't better than RAIDERS or LAST CRUSADE, it is probably a better film than TEMPLE OF DOOM. It also bookends the series well, at least until Lucas & Speilberg decide to make another half billion or so and slap Mutt in the fedora.

[DACrowe]

Well in Crusade he goes through all those major traps and saves his father's life. But yeah, Elsa kills Donovhan (with some help from God) and steals the grail and his father saves him then, but Indy saved his father. In Raiders he did nothing. Really he's most active in Temple of Doom.

I have to add that saying Indy never got in a fight with the villain is a bad argument. Indy is not a superhero and the only villain he had a full out fight with (as in main baddie) was again in Temple and then used the power of Shiva to win, as the villain used magic as well. He never fought Belloq, Indy's best villain, hand-to-hand nor Donovhan or Elsa in Crusade.

I'm not sure I follow that argument.

[Joker]

Well in Crusade he goes through all those major traps and saves his father's life. But yeah, Elsa kills Donovhan (with some help from God) and steals the grail and his father saves him then, but Indy saved his father. In Raiders he did nothing. Really he's most active in Temple of Doom.

I have to add that saying Indy never got in a fight with the villain is a bad argument. Indy is not a superhero and the only villain he had a full out fight with (as in main baddie) was again in Temple and then used the power of Shiva to win, as the villain used magic as well. He never fought Belloq, Indy's best villain, hand-to-hand nor Donovhan or Elsa in Crusade.

I'm not sure I follow that argument.

He usually fought there sidekicks in hand to hand combat, which he does in this one too...

[Dread]

As a side-note to my review, I remember reading the back of MANGA ENTERTAINMENT's DVD for CASTLE OF COGLIOSTRO, the best known Lupin the Third film (from the same director of PRINCESS MONONOKE and SPIRITED AWAY) in which Speilberg cites the film as one he always enjoyed. And I watch an Indy Jones film and I see a lot of things that the Lupin the Third franchise had in Japan; a mixture of action and comedy, wide set-pieces, exotic villains, and a rogue-ish hero. Indy's somewhat more straight-laced than the thief Lupin III, but I saw and appreciated some of the influences.

[spideyboy_1111]

what about the hmm I dunno. Im currently watching a video about the Maya calendar and this whole thing about what may happen in 2012...

I know the alien has been done now, what else could come after that?

imo since the real skulls are connected with the 2012 thing.. thats what the movie should have been more about... trying to bring all the skulls together to stop an apocalyptic event (but in that time period)

[RickO'Connell]

I have to say Mac has one of the most satisfying deaths in movie history. It felt great seeing that annoying fat man die

[Warhammer]

imo since the real skulls are connected with the 2012 thing.. thats what the movie should have been more about... trying to bring all the skulls together to stop an apocalyptic event (but in that time period)

The real existing crystal skulls are thought by many to be a scam, and do not date as far back as they are mentioned in myths.

[spideyboy_1111]

anybody here thought that Marian was ............... i don't know ............. didn't do justice to her role????? I didn't like her acting

she was way toooo smiley for me... it looked like she was on something

[Joker]

The real existing crystal skulls are thought by many to be a scam, and do not date as far back as they are mentioned in myths.

Yup, none of them date back to earier than the 1500's from what I understand, although the Meyers-Bridges skull or whatever it's called is still a mystery in that it has no tool marks on it.

[Joker]

she was way toooo smiley for me... it looked like she was on something

She acted exactly like she did in Raiders, which I watched just before seeing Crystal Skull for the 2nd time...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I saw it today but don't feel like writing a review right now, so I'll just give you a one word rating.

Meh

RATING: 6/10.

[The Guard]

It was originally going to be titled "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars," which does get alluded to in the dialouge in one scene. I think if they had named it that, people would have known what to expect going in, and the alien plot would have been better recieved.

It also preserved an element of surprise. INDIANA JONES AND THE SAUCER MEN FROM MARS doesn't allow for that.

And that was a rather subpar script to boot.

[spideyboy_1111]

The real existing crystal skulls are thought by many to be a scam, and do not date as far back as they are mentioned in myths.

everything is a bunch of theories... many believe them not to be a scam as well... and scam or not theres a big mythos and legend to them, which i feel should have been explored rather then another set of skulls that start telling the same story but then fork off into something a bit out there. the Hedges (i think thats his last name) skull (the first one that was found) is believed to hold information within it. we use the same type of crystal in modern microchips, a study on it by Hewlet Packard showed it had markings inside of it that conduct light in a way that is unnatural. A documentary i watched also said that due to them being crystal you can't actually date them :o

[spideyboy_1111]

It also would have preserved any element of surprise. INDIANA JONES AND THE SAUCER MEN FROM MARS doesn't allow for that.

And that was a rather subpar script to boot.

lol what surprise... the first local they were in already prep'd you for aliens :o

[Arkady Rossovich]

It should atleast make 50 million next weekend and it should be around 200 million domestically. I am no expert on box office numbers but 50 million too 47 sounds about right but it could have Iron Man numbers.

It's odd to hear that. People would have said "sequel!" immediately,but with these reactions..it's a maybe. I don't think there was a generation gap,just 2 things..

1- Harrison Ford isn't young anymore.

2- It's the sequel thing. Sequels to movies or franchises that already ended.

[The Chris]

What does everyone think of either a cartoon or maybe some comics or books taking place in between Last Crusade and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. A lot obviously happened in 19 years.

[Humpty Dumpty]

For those who have already seen the movie, here’s an interesting little bit of trivia: In the library scene where Indiana Jones’ student asks him a question, Indiana responds by recommending that the student read a book by “Childe.” The “Childe” to whom he refers is none other than the highly influential real-life archaeologist Vere Gordon Childe. What is ironic about this is that Childe was a staunch Marxist and used a Marxist analytical approach to describe the sociologies of the past cultures he studied, a method that was considered very unusual and revolutionary for its time. This basically means that despite the Soviets being the official “bad guys” in this movie, Indiana Jones himself is actually a Marxist, which is kind of funny. That’s a kind of subtle humor you don’t find in many movies!

[Hoedowned]

What does everyone think of either a cartoon or maybe some comics or books taking place in between Last Crusade and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. A lot obviously happened in 19 years.

The WWII stuff? That would be pretty cool. Much much better than a Mutt spin-off.

[Matt Murdock]

Or, or... or... he wanted his students to see things from both sides of the issue?

[The Chris]

The WWII stuff? That would be pretty cool. Much much better than a Mutt spin-off.

Yep. I find it funny that Indy ended up fighting nazis again but this time as a soldier. Nice touch there.

[BlackLantern]

The WWII stuff? That would be pretty cool. Much much better than a Mutt spin-off.

both would be fine by me....

[ANTOINE X]

Well finally Indy4 is first with a 126M....Probably mean an Indy 5.... oh no!:csad:

[Joker]

Well finally Indy4 is first with a 126M....Probably mean an Indy 5.... oh no!:csad:

If you don't want to see it, don't see it. There are alot of us who want another one.

[Erzengel]

Indiana Jones is my favorite "franchise/series" after Star Wars. Even Temple of Doom, which most people think is the weakest of the Original 3, I think is still a really great movie.

That being said, Crystal Skull had the "feel" of the previous 3, with the action and comedy. I really enjoyed the movie.

However, I felt the whole alien theme just didn't fit with the previous 3 movies.

I've been avoiding spoilers for this movie since I heard about it. So I wasn't exactly sure what the whole movie was going to be about.

So like most sequels I'm going to have to rank this less than the previous ones.

Raiders - ****
Last Crusade - ****
Temple of Doom - ***
Crystal Skull - ***

[The Chris]

If you don't want to see it, don't see it. There are alot of us who want another one.
I know I want another one. This series needed to go beyond three. It's so episodic you can put a trailer of the next movie after a preceding one and say, "on the next episode of the adventure of Indiana Jones" It feels that way more than any other film franchise. Pirates could of been that way, but they decided to make that a straight forward trilogy so what the heck.

[ANTOINE X]

If you don't want to see it, don't see it. There are alot of us who want another one.


Yep! Indy 4 was my last unfortunately! I Liked the first 3 a lot! Honestly its unfair to say that 4th one was not a good movie cause if it was in the 80's I would have probably liked it more...I Guess the real reason is I'M getting old and movie like national treasure and Indy is not my type anymore :csad:...

[danoyse]

-I agree with reviewers who complained that Indy did nothing at the end of the movie. It's true. He goes into the pyramid/temple thing... goes into a room and says "ooooh aaaaah"... then he goes into another room and says "oooooh aaaahhh" again (this time the room with all the archeological artifacts).... then he enters the alien chamber and goes "oooooh wow. neat stuff!"... then Irina shows up, wakes up the alien, things start spinning, and Indiana says "ok. I'm gonna go home now" basically. The end. It really was an anti-climatic ending. The hero does nothing but exit.

Well in Raiders all he did was keep his eyes shut, and he didn't even know where the ark was at the end of the movie.



-Irina was a very WEAK villain. Come on. She really was. Here's some examples why: 1) from the very beginning, she's laughable. She tries to read Indy's mind and Indy just laughs at her and thus the audience giggles and thinks she's silly too. a great villain shouldn't be marginalized and made out to be "ridiculous" to the audience. 2) She's incompetent - everytime she captures Indy, he escapes in no time. She was not threatening at all. I never believed she would do Indy harm. She was more of an annoyance than a real threatening villain. 3) Indy never fights her. Who fights her? Shia's character Mutt... and he holds his own pretty well, then does the vine-swinging jump kick on her. So a supporting character kicks the villain's butt. Once again, to the audience (and to me) this made her seem like a really weak villain. That would be like if Robin kicked the Joker's butt and Batman stood back and did nothing. This villain was lame.

Indy didn't fight the main villians in Raiders. They were melted by the ghosts in the ark. He let the stones take care of Mola Ram in Temple of Doom. And he didn't kill Donovan at the end of Last Crusade. Elsa was the one who gave Donovan the wrong cup to drink from--she even said to let her choose the cup.

-Steven Speilberg needs to find an alien and have sex with it. This guy would add aliens to every movie if he could... Close Encounters of the Third Kind, AI, War of the Worlds, and now Indiana Jones. And then the guy produced both Men in Blacks and ET and I'm probably missing some other alien-love-fest he had a hand in. Ugh. Come on. I bet if Jurassic Park 4 gets made the dinosaurs will team-up with some aliens. Seriously.

Steven Spielberg directed ET. He didn't produce it. And considering I first saw that movie in 1982 and the ending still made me cry when I watched it on TV about 20 minutes ago, and that Close Encounters still one of the best alien movies ever made...I tend to trust him with alien stories. :cwink:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wow...I had to go back a few pages and read some of the posts that caught my attention. Interesting point of views, guys.

[Erzengel]

I know I gave a star review, but since this poll is private, I gave Crystal Skull 8 out of 10. :up:

[The Man of Steel]

Lovin the Name Change :up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Ah thanks Mario.

am wondering, how can we let Spielberg, Ford and co know we want another??

[Joker]

Ah thanks Mario.

am wondering, how can we let Spielberg, Ford and co know we want another??

Kidnap them :o

[BlackLantern]

Ah thanks Mario.

am wondering, how can we let Spielberg, Ford and co know we want another??

Honestly....none of them probably care what you or anyone else on this board wants....they all have more blockbusters to their credit and more money than GOD....if a script comes along and they all like it it will happen....tho it seems like this one is well received and they might just want to leave it at that....

[DarknessOfDeath]

Kidnap them :o


I get to have Karen Allen all to myself... er kidding. :o

[DarknessOfDeath]

Honestly....none of them probably care what you or anyone else on this board wants....they all have more blockbusters to their credit and more money than GOD....if a script comes along and they all like it it will happen....tho it seems like this one is well received and they might just want to leave it at that....


honestly, I don't care either way... I'm just saying. If theres no more. Fine. if theres more... okay then.

simple

[Bim]

Well i just watched this very interesting 2 hour documentary in the History Channel (latin america), called Indiana Jones: The Ultimate Quest, and it was basically about the Indy movies and how they translate in real life and archeology. Anyone else seen it?

They briefly touched on the Crystal Skulls, and what i found funny about it is that some have had issues in this last movie with the alien twist, but yet in this documentary some believe that those skulls are of alien origin . I found fascinating that people at HP were given one of the found skulls for them to examine, and they couldnt explain how it was made.

Fascinating how the rituals in TOD were actually based on real stuff for the most part, and that there's this place in Peru that they called the Real Temple of Doom :woot:

What i loved most is the fact that real life archeologists LOVE Indy and gladly admit that they were drawn to become archeologists after watching Indy movies as kids, and even if they admit a lot of similarities between Indy and their world, they say that the one thing that really isnt true is that girls fall in love with archeology teachers :hehe:... i laughed out loud when my sister said "well duh, u dont look like Harrison!" :oldrazz:

[The Chris]

Well, there two things that can get the message to make another one. The movie keeps making the money, and also people can get asking the three like they were doing with this one.

[Joker]

Well i just watched this very interesting 2 hour documentary in the History Channel (latin america), called Indiana Jones: The Ultimate Quest, and it was basically about the Indy movies and how they translate in real life and archeology. Anyone else seen it?

They briefly touched on the Crystal Skulls, and what i found funny about it is that some have had issues in this last movie with the alien twist, but yet in this documentary some believe that those skulls are of alien origin . I found fascinating that people at HP were given one of the found skulls for them to examine, and they couldnt explain how it was made.

Fascinating how the rituals in TOD were actually based on real stuff for the most part, and that there's this place in Peru that they called the Real Temple of Doom :woot:

What i loved most is the fact that real life archeologists LOVE Indy and gladly admit that they were drawn to become archeologists after watching Indy movies as kids, and even if they admit a lot of similarities between Indy and their world, they say that the one thing that really isnt true is that girls fall in love with archeology teachers :hehe:... i laughed out loud when my sister said "well duh, u dont look like Harrison!" :oldrazz:

I hate that woman who had one of the real crystal skulls. It told her it's name is Max? Despite Max being a modern name that wouldnt have been used at all by Mayans in the BC era? F**king crazy dumb ass b**ch.

[Bim]

I hate that woman who had one of the real crystal skulls. It told her it's name is Max? Despite Max being a modern name that wouldnt have been used at all by Mayans in the BC era? F**king crazy dumb ass b**ch.
:hehe: yeah, that lady was odd... i think she's in "Ox" territory and has had it for too long :cwink:

[danoyse]

Honestly....none of them probably care what you or anyone else on this board wants....they all have more blockbusters to their credit and more money than GOD....if a script comes along and they all like it it will happen....tho it seems like this one is well received and they might just want to leave it at that....

That's what I liked about this movie. Sure it was cheesy as all hell in spots, but everyone looked like they were having so much fun doing the movie that it was a blast to watch. It was like being on the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland. I can't wait to see it again.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I was so confused during the part when the 13 crystal skulls/aliens were shifting into one and everything started to implode and I had no idea about the actual crystal skulls exist for reals... where have I been? and the Mayans? hmm. The name sounds familiar but still, I was confused for the most part... I've always been interested in archeology, astrology, astromony, science, and I liked how those connect into one concept relating to 2012...

but i've always taken a keen interest in who the first human civilization were to appear on earth...if you'd go back to the ancient times.

I dunno. Funny, I have plans on going to Vancouver for school in 2012 to take writing for film and television... hmm.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Well finally Indy4 is first with a 126M....Probably mean an Indy 5.... oh no!:csad:
Lets just wait and see if it has legs enough to carry it through all Summer, The Dark Knight will trample all over Indy.

[Joker]

Lets just wait and see if it has legs enough to carry it through all Summer, The Dark Knight will trample all over Indy.

Well yeah, but that has to be expceted. Ledgers last full performance and all. Until then though, I think Indy is going to do just fine. And it's going to do fantastic on DVD.

[BlackLantern]

Paramount distributed and is getting a piece of both Iron Man and Indiana Jones...and Incredible Hulk when that comes out as well....TDK is all Warner Bros. has....

[Schlosser85]

I'm going to see it again tomorrow with my parents this time.

[CrypticOne]

I just got back from seeing this. This Indy adventure being my first. The movie wasn't that great. It had its moments, but other than that, it was pretty average.

7/10

[Joker]

I just got back from seeing this. This Indy adventure being my first. The movie wasn't that great. It had its moments, but other than that, it was pretty average.

7/10

You should have at least watched Raiders first.

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah I watched all 3 before I saw the new one, it helped me remember the good times Indy and Marion used to have :o

[danoyse]

Paramount distributed and is getting a piece of both Iron Man and Indiana Jones...and Incredible Hulk when that comes out as well....TDK is all Warner Bros. has....

The also have another Harry Potter movie in November.

[Gold Samurai]

So with the movie raking in 311 million world wide in five days and having the second largest opening behind the third pirates movies could Indy be the winner?

Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull
Iron-man
Dark Knight?

[BlackLantern]

November isn't summer.....

[danoyse]

November isn't summer.....

I was thinking the whole year. I like looking at the bigger picture. :oldrazz:

[BlackLantern]

from a purely company standpoint....Paramount is probably going to beat Warner Bros. with a crowbar...

[CrypticOne]

You should have at least watched Raiders first.

Yeah, I'm going to go back and watch the originals in a couple days. I sure do hope they are better.

[Joker]

Yeah, I'm going to go back and watch the originals in a couple days. I sure do hope they are better.

If you had seen Raiders you would have gotten alot more enjoyment out of this one. It's like watching Star Wars, but starting with Empire Strikes Back..

[DarknessOfDeath]

If you had seen Raiders you would have gotten alot more enjoyment out of this one. It's like watching Star Wars, but starting with Empire Strikes Back..


????

[Joker]

????

This is the only Indy movie that I think feels like a direct sequel to another, with it's returning characters and all. I think it's the same kind of experience as watching Empire first. Sure, you can figure out what's going on, but you'd get alot more out of it if you had seen A New Hope first.

[DarknessOfDeath]

oh...

well for me, seeing Marion again...felt very much like I was watching an Indiana Jones movie...besides her, Indy was badass.

My brain has been hurting ever since I got deja vu - I;ve been experincing ESP...er... cause I keep getting this strange feeling that I;ve seen Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in my dreams... and the scenes in it felt so familiar...


Im scared...

[Joker]

I'm not saying that it didnt feel like an Indy movie. I'm just saying that while the rest totally stand alone, this one is better if you know who Marion is before seeing it. Is it totally nessecary? No, but it does help.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm not saying that it didnt feel like an Indy movie. I'm just saying that while the rest totally stand alone, this one is better if you know who Marion is before seeing it. Is it totally nessecary? No, but it does help.


I gotcha. Sorry, I rambled on in a different direction ...

what do you think? I keep getting this odd familiar feeling...and I can't get em out of my head and this whole thing about the maya and the 13 crystal skull...ack... my brain hurts. :csad:

someone make it better :csad:

[chaseter]

I'm not saying that it didnt feel like an Indy movie. I'm just saying that while the rest totally stand alone, this one is better if you know who Marion is before seeing it. Is it totally nessecary? No, but it does help.
That and the little shot of the Ark:woot: The only other reference to the original 3 was the moment Indy took to remember his father and Marcus and his loathing for snakes.

[Nirvana]

Just left my theater and saw this for the third time. I have to say it gets better every time and I really hope they move forward with Indy 5 :up:

I have to say, this is the first time I saw this movie in my local theater (The other times were at Disney) and this time I really noticed the amazing sound, music, and audio. It made me enjoy the film more.

[chaseter]

I gotcha. Sorry, I rambled on in a different direction ...

what do you think? I keep getting this odd familiar feeling...and I can't get em out of my head and this whole thing about the maya and the 13 crystal skull...ack... my brain hurts. :csad:

someone make it better :csad:
Take 2 pills from your parent's...choose the most colorful one, and drink a few beers. That should right you.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Take 2 pills from your parent's...choose the most colorful one, and drink a few beers. That should right you.

I live on my own... but I got advil... don;t think beer will do me any good... but guys... this feeling so weird... this is not a first time I felt these kind of feelings...

[chaseter]

I live on my own... but I got advil... don;t think beer will do me any good... but guys... this feeling so weird... this is not a first time I felt these kind of feelings...
Maybe you are a psychic:o

[BlackLantern]

I live on my own... but I got advil... don;t think beer will do me any good... but guys... this feeling so weird... this is not a first time I felt these kind of feelings...

Listen here Priscilla....it was a fun movie....enjoy it and go have a sammich....

[Joker]

I live on my own... but I got advil... don;t think beer will do me any good... but guys... this feeling so weird... this is not a first time I felt these kind of feelings...

You're delusional. I recommend that you don't listen to anything dogs tell you to do in the future, no good can come of it :o

[DarknessOfDeath]

Maybe you are a psychic:o


perhaps. Sometimes I can almost feel that something is going to happen ... like that one day, my bro asked if I wanted a ride home and I said no... later that day, Im walking along and my bro happened to be in a car accident...

Listen here Priscilla....it was a fun movie....enjoy it and go have a sammich....

Im no Priscilla... so quit it. :o

I just had a burger...

You're delusional. I recommend that you don't listen to anything dogs tell you to do in the future, no good can come of it :o

delusional huh? Well maybe theres something to do with Indiana Jones and my interest in archeology, astomony, astrology, science... the bible :huh: first human civilization...and these so called crystal skulls... and only 8 have been found?? :huh:

Either that, the connection I have with Indiana Jones is special. hmm

[Joker]

perhaps. Sometimes I can almost feel that something is going to happen ... like that one day, my bro asked if I wanted a ride home and I said no... later that day, Im walking along and my bro happened to be in a car accident...


But if you had said yes, would that accident still have happened? It would have taken you a few seconds to get into the car, therefore the events of the entire day would have been changed.

[DarknessOfDeath]

But if you had said yes, would that accident still have happened? It would have taken you a few seconds to get into the car, therefore the events of the entire day would have been changed.

If I had, I probably wouldn't be here... :huh:

and this was 5/6 years ago...

[chaseter]

But if you had said yes, would that accident still have happened? It would have taken you a few seconds to get into the car, therefore the events of the entire day would have been changed.
You just made the Matrix glitch and my cat walked by twice.

[Joker]

If I had, I probably wouldn't be here... :huh:

and this was 5/6 years ago...

Doesn't matter when it was. If you would have taken the time to get in the car, he wouldn't have been where the accident happened when it happened. Cause and effect. Causality would have changed due to the events leading up to the event, and the event never would have taken place. It's like in Donnie Darko. Him leaving his house when the jet engine fell led to all these events, but him staying would have made it so none of the events happened. Cause, and effect. You getting into that car could have made the events totally change, just cause of the time it took you to physically get in.

[DarknessOfDeath]

*shrugs* I get what you mean but... whats the chance of me surviving the odds?

Im glad Im living and no one got seriously injured.

[Joker]

The odds would have totally changed. It's the Butterfly Effect :o

[DarknessOfDeath]

Though I mostly get Deja Vu... its like this odd feeling comes over me and I get dizzy all of the sudden and my mind realizes that I've done this before or been there before at exactly the same time and setting...

[BloodyWolverine]

Indy is at 313 million world wide so does that opening possibly merit a sequel with such an opening ?

[The Kid]

There better be damnit. The whiny *****es online crying about a few flaws endlessly don't really deserve one, but for a movie, a 4th movie in fact, to come out after all these years and be this good, it's a damn miracle. I'm game for a fifth.

[DarknessOfDeath]

There better be damnit. The whiny *****es online crying about a few flaws endlessly don't really deserve one, but for a movie, a 4th movie in fact, to come out after all these years and be this good, it's a damn miracle. I'm game for a fifth.


You and me, kid...

[BloodyWolverine]

Harrison Has to be the coolest grumpy actor since The Duke is there anyone like Harrison.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Harrison Has to be the coolest grumpy actor since The Duke is there anyone like Harrison.

I love himhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Joker]

Everyone loves Harrison Ford...he's so dreamy :heart:

[bullets]

Indiana NEVER does anything at the end of the movies, except for Temple of Doom. The ending of this was pretty much exactly the same as the endings of Raiders and Crusade. That is NOT a valid complaint.



Thank you . Also Indy did alot of fighting throughout the movie and tried to save his friend in a situation where others were running for their lives.

Also the main villain did capture indy and co. numerous times and had him lead her to the objective. Not too shabby.

[BloodyWolverine]

My 3 favorite Indy 4 moments.

1 Indy saying he would break his nose if he got loose and he did.

2 The Jungle vehicle fight and chase scene.

3 The 3 Water Fall scene.

Ok I have 4.

4 The ship destroying the temple as it rouse . I don't are if you like aliens in thsi or not but that was wicked cool.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I won't kill myself if there is one but I certainly hope that there isn't a sequel or a spinoff with the overrated Shia La-I don't care to spell out his name.

[BloodyWolverine]

But i am sure a Pirates 4 would be ok. I loved those movie but i rather they stay 3 movies. If Indy can go on and it can i so wish it would.

[bullets]

Mutt would have to be part of the sequel . I dont want to see Muff Jones but I'd be ok if they ventured out together again and left marion home.

[Majik1387]

There better be damnit. The whiny *****es online crying about a few flaws endlessly don't really deserve one, but for a movie, a 4th movie in fact, to come out after all these years and be this good, it's a damn miracle. I'm game for a fifth.
Me too. And they better bring in Short Round.:cmad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

But i am sure a Pirates 4 would be ok. I loved those movie but i rather they stay 3 movies. If Indy can go on and it can i so wish it would.Actually smart ass, it wouldn't be.:oldrazz: Don't let the Knightely ava fool you, I don't want anymore Pirates of the...movies either. I would perfer if SP came up with another interesting franchise. The movie made a sh**tload so I'm sure my cries of "Uncle" will remain unheard though.

[Drizzle]

But i am sure a Pirates 4 would be ok. I loved those movie but i rather they stay 3 movies. If Indy can go on and it can i so wish it would.
The difference between the "Pirates" and "Indy" movies is that "Crystal Skull" didn't have any loose ends that left it open for a sequel. "At World's End", however, ended with some loose ends that could definitely warrant a fourth one somewhere down the line.

A "Pirates 4" in 5-10 years wouldn't feel like overkill. An "Indy 5" would. A fifth movie would just seem like George Lucas trying to squeeze every penny out of the franchise.

We got the fourth one, it was good. Now instead of running the franchise into the ground, let's just let it rest so it doesn't become a dead horse to be beaten.

[spideyboy_1111]

There better be damnit. The whiny *****es online crying about a few flaws endlessly don't really deserve one, but for a movie, a 4th movie in fact, to come out after all these years and be this good, it's a damn miracle. I'm game for a fifth.

if a 5th one happens... it sure as hell not get sci-fi on us again.... i prefer indy sticking with artifacts and paranormal :o

[Joker]

if a 5th one happens... it sure as hell not get sci-fi on us again.... i prefer indy sticking with artifacts and paranormal :o

artifacts like the crystal skull? an paranormal things like the aliens?

[Majik1387]

if a 5th one happens... it sure as hell not get sci-fi on us again.... i prefer indy sticking with artifacts and paranormal :o
:huh:

Contradictory?

[The Kid]

Shorty, Sallah, marion, oh hell, even Willie. Bring em all back.

It'd be cool if they cloned indiana Jones and old Indy had to fight young Indy (cgi de-aged ala x3 of course). And Old Indy outsmarts him.

Or hell, maybe time travel should be the main focus. Have indy come to 2015. :wow:

DANCE ON YOUR OWN TIME, KID. :woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

:huh:

Contradictory?

its the same but different... sci-fi is usually in reference to space, aliens, advanced technology, science itself, mutations, evolution, dimensions etc...

where as paranormal is more like magic, ghosts, witchcraft, religious power, cryptozology, mystical powers and beings

[spideyboy_1111]

artifacts like the crystal skull? an paranormal things like the aliens?

see above post...



i still feel like the original crystal skulls would have been a better story... and less alien involvement

[Majik1387]

its the same but different... sci-fi is usually in reference to space, aliens, advanced technology, science itself, mutations, evolution, dimensions etc...

where as paranormal is more like magic, ghosts, witchcraft, religious power, cryptozology, mystical powers and beings
No. Paranormal is pretty much anything classified as sci-fi

Supernatural is magic, ghosts, witchcraft, etc

[spideyboy_1111]

No. Paranormal is pretty much anything classified as sci-fi

Supernatural is magic, ghosts, witchcraft, etc

well then fine... supernatural and artifacts relating to them... :o

[Joker]

its the same but different... sci-fi is usually in reference to space, aliens, advanced technology, science itself, mutations, evolution, dimensions etc...

where as paranormal is more like magic, ghosts, witchcraft, religious power, cryptozology, mystical powers and beings

From Dictionary.com: *ahem*

paranormal

adjective
1. seemingly outside normal sensory channels [syn: extrasensory] [ant: sensorial]
2. not in accordance with scientific laws; "what seemed to be paranormal manifestations"

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help (pār'ə-nôr'məl) Pronunciation Key
adj. Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers.

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help [par-uh-nawr-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective of or pertaining to the claimed occurrence of an event or perception without scientific explanation, as psychokinesis, extrasensory perception, or other purportedly supernatural phenomena.

sounds like aliens would fit in there just fine to me :o

[BloodyWolverine]

I think one more would be fine under 6 movies is a good cut off make 34 and 5 be kinda in sink. 3 was about family, 4 was about the same thing. It be funny if Willie had a daughter with Indy or something .

[spideyboy_1111]

From Dictionary.com: *ahem*

paranormal

adjective
1. seemingly outside normal sensory channels [syn: extrasensory] [ant: sensorial]
2. not in accordance with scientific laws; "what seemed to be paranormal manifestations"

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help (pār'ə-nôr'məl) Pronunciation Key
adj. Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers.

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help [par-uh-nawr-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective of or pertaining to the claimed occurrence of an event or perception without scientific explanation, as psychokinesis, extrasensory perception, or other purportedly supernatural phenomena.

sounds like aliens would fit in there just fine to me :o


ahh but aliens technically could still be explained by our sciences, they might not fit 100% of earth's physical laws, and there tech may be used of elements not found within our science, but doesn't mean they can't be explained... mental powers alone doesnt make aliens fall under paranormal...

[spideyboy_1111]

I think one more would be fine under 6 movies is a good cut off make 34 and 5 be kinda in sink. 3 was about family, 4 was about the same thing. It be funny if Willie had a daughter with Indy or something .

i think that'd be repetitive.. now willie having a daughter that Mutt fell for, that'd be kinda fun. I'd enjoy willies return but she'd have to hate indy... (prob for some breakup) and she'd have a "gwen and MJ" relationship with marion

[BloodyWolverine]

Well do consider the 1957 is teh time of Area 51 drama and alien hystaria and it all fit in teh 50s time line. Aliens, I Like Ike and so on.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I wasn't comfortable with the Alien stuff, yeah I know the movies always had magic in them but I just wasn't comfortable with that Alien stuff.

[Joker]

ahh but aliens technically could still be explained by our sciences, they might not fit 100% of earth's physical laws, and there tech may be used of elements not found within our science, but doesn't mean they can't be explained... mental powers alone doesnt make aliens fall under paranormal...

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help (pār'ə-nôr'məl) Pronunciation Key
adj. Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers.

yes it does :o

[TNC9852002]

OMG. This pisses me off something terrible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuke_the_fridge :mad: :mad:

-TNC

[BloodyWolverine]

i think that'd be repetitive.. now willie having a daughter that Mutt fell for, that'd be kinda fun. I'd enjoy willies return but she'd have to hate indy... (prob for some breakup) and she'd have a "gwen and MJ" relationship with marion
Maybe Willie should have passed on and the girl found out who her father was. Maybe she in the same type of intrist like Indy but her mom wanted her to be a lady of grace or what not.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well do consider the 1957 is teh time of Area 51 drama and alien hystaria and it all fit in teh 50s time line. Aliens, I Like Ike and so on.

doesn't mean it belongs in an indiana jones film either though :o, thats like throwing y2k into every movie taking place in 1999.... or in the 1960's making sure a big plot revolves around civil rights

[spideyboy_1111]

par·a·nor·mal Audio Help (pār'ə-nôr'məl) Pronunciation Key
adj. Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers.

yes it does :o

the aliens had a paranormal ability yes... but does that make aliens as a whole paranormal? no

[BloodyWolverine]

Well aliens in a since have abilities not that of a human be it mind powers and what not and there devises can have powerful influences which can be considered paranormal like Big Foot and Nessy.
Sure its not magical or holy but aliens are not human and normal and whos to say no aliens never visited earth and did leave there finger print here on some tribe be it Myans or Egyptians.

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe Willie should have passed on and the girl found out who her father was. Maybe she in the same type of intrist like Indy but her mom wanted her to be a lady of grace or what not.

haha sorry, but it's true.... if you don't find that scene utterly absurd for anything but a cartoon character to experience... then maybe you should rethink that.

and i love how people use the "but indy survives other absurd things in his movie" come on people those are usually on some level of believability... sure the lead lining made have stopped him from instantly combusting, but the bomb would have completely irradiated him when he got out, melted and obliterated the fridge...

[Joker]

OMG. This pisses me off something terrible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuke_the_fridge :mad: :mad:

-TNC

It'll get deleted, as it's not actually a phrase, and is probably just something some moron and his friends made up.

[Majik1387]

Maybe you people looking for realism should avoid movies altogether.:dry:

[BloodyWolverine]

haha sorry, but it's true.... if you don't find that scene utterly absurd for anything but a cartoon character to experience... then maybe you should rethink that.

and i love how people use the "but indy survives other absurd things in his movie" come on people those are usually on some level of believability... sure the lead lining made have stopped him from instantly combusting, but the bomb would have completely irradiated him when he got out, melted and obliterated the fridge...
Whos to say the impact didn't blow teh fridge into the air and thus he never got a full does of it for remember he saw teh mushroom cloud after teh fridge had been blown from teh house.

[Joker]

haha sorry, but it's true.... if you don't find that scene utterly absurd for anything but a cartoon character to experience... then maybe you should rethink that.

and i love how people use the "but indy survives other absurd things in his movie" come on people those are usually on some level of believability... sure the lead lining made have stopped him from instantly combusting, but the bomb would have completely irradiated him when he got out, melted and obliterated the fridge...

In the 50's, people were told that doing things like this would actually let them survive a nuke. This movie was made as if it was made in the 50's, just like the others were made as if they were made in the 30's (the big song and dance at the beginning of Temple of Doom). These movies are all throwbacks to serials. So, in a 1950's serial, seeing the protagonist get into a fridge to survive a nuclear blast would have been likely, hence why it is in the movie.

If you people are too dense to grasp this simple idea, maybe you should just go back to eating paint chips.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

doesn't mean it belongs in an indiana jones film either though :o, thats like throwing y2k into every movie taking place in 1999.... or in the 1960's making sure a big plot revolves around civil rightsLOL!! Thankyou very much.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well aliens in a since have abilities not that of a human be it mind powers and what not and there devises can have powerful influences which can be considered paranormal like Big Foot and Nessy.
Sure its not magical or holy but aliens are not human and normal and whos to say no aliens never visited earth and did leave there finger print here on some tribe be it Myans or Egyptians.

o i have no problem with aliens being involved... but they shouldn't have been as involved as they were in the film... i think the ending would have been a nice twist in revealing that they were alien skulls and the lesson learned by indy and crew would be that knowledge is the greatest treasure... but i wouldn't have made them alien shaped, and i would have based all the mythology on the real crystal skull mythos... and making it so the 12skulls must come together to stop an apocalyptic event. all the previous movies left a metaphor... Raiders being don't tamper with gods power, and don't try to be a god, ToD being that children are a great treasure, as is freedom. Sometimes the greatest wonders come in the smallest packages, and finally Crusades was about family and greed. KOTCS slightly the same... but there really was no message besides "be careful what you wish for".... which imo was played out pretty badly

[Joker]

doesn't mean it belongs in an indiana jones film either though :o, thats like throwing y2k into every movie taking place in 1999.... or in the 1960's making sure a big plot revolves around civil rights

See my previous post. It was made like a 50's movie serial, which is why it has them. Aliens, nuclear weapons, and commies were in almost every serial from that time period.

[BloodyWolverine]

In the 50's, people were told that doing things like this would actually let them survive a nuke. This movie was made as if it was made in the 50's, just like the others were made as if they were made in the 30's (the big song and dance at the beginning of Temple of Doom). These movies are all throwbacks to serials. So, in a 1950's serial, seeing the protagonist get into a fridge to survive a nuclear blast would have been likely, hence why it is in the movie.

If you people are too dense to grasp this simple idea, maybe you should just go back to eating paint chips.
I agree with you and this is Lucas movie science not fact and thats why its called Science fiction. But i won't say tehy shoudl eat paint chips lol.

[TNC9852002]

I'm surprised that this is even a discussion here.

-TNC

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe you people looking for realism should avoid movies altogether.:dry:

maybe you should realize realism isn't always my thing either and... i LOVE the original movies to death, and this brought in something new to a formula and exaggerated it. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and they tried to out do themselves and i think it shows and hurt the movie

[spideyboy_1111]

Whos to say the impact didn't blow teh fridge into the air and thus he never got a full does of it for remember he saw teh mushroom cloud after teh fridge had been blown from teh house.

did you not see the jeep of russians explode? they were ALOT farther away then indy was... :o. and he was standing way to close to the mushroom cloud... hundreds of miles away can still even have radiation poisoning from an atomic bomb:o

[spideyboy_1111]

See my previous post. It was made like a 50's movie serial, which is why it has them. Aliens, nuclear weapons, and commies were in almost every serial from that time period.

thus changing the genre of the film.. the indiana jones franchise should ALWAYS be based on the adventure serials of the 30's no matter what decade.... what's next indy and the 50ft woman? Indy vs the blob? indy vs godzilla? that excuse is lame :o

[Joker]

thus changing the genre of the film.. the indiana jones franchise should ALWAYS be based on the adventure serials of the 30's no matter what decade.... what's next indy and the 50ft woman? Indy vs the blob? indy vs godzilla? that excuse is lame :o

I totally disagree. Progression is a good thing, and this movie was to 50's serials what the others are to 30's serials, and it works just fine. And I would love if in the next one they actually did something with radiation causing super powers, but it would be hard to link that to archeaology.

[spideyboy_1111]

I totally disagree. Progression is a good thing, and this movie was to 50's serials what the others are to 30's serials, and it works just fine. And I would love if in the next one they actually did something with radiation causing super powers, but it would be hard to link that to archeaology.

i don't believe in progression when it loses the magic of a franchise. and many feel that, whether they enjoyed the film or not is another story... but losing the magic is a big deal in my book, and thats what this film disappointingly did.

[StrainedEyes]

OMG. This pisses me off something terrible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuke_the_fridge :mad: :mad:

-TNC

Haha I think that's kind of funny.

It is true that him surviving a Nuclear blast really takes the danger away from a standard fist fight.

[Joker]

Haha I think that's kind of funny.

It is true that him surviving a Nuclear blast really takes the danger away from a standard fist fight.

I think him being Indiana God Damn Jones takes away the danger anyway. We know he's going to win going into this things.

[StrainedEyes]

I think him being Indiana God Damn Jones takes away the danger anyway. We know he's going to win going into this things.

Yeah.. but now he's radiated Indiana Jones. He could disintegrate people with his whip. (Which was grossly underused in this one)

Not to mention the debate whether crossing the grail over the seal took his immortality away... Though Henry Sr. died, I guess that solves that debate.

[Joker]

I did make the joke, while in the theater, that the next movie could be "Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Cancer Ward"