Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah.. but now he's radiated Indiana Jones. He could disintegrate people with his whip. (Which was grossly underused in this one)

Not to mention the debate whether crossing the grail over the seal took his immortality away... Though Henry Sr. died, I guess that solves that debate.

actually i realized that too... i can only remember indy using his whip once in the whole damn movie.... and that was swinging from the rafters at area 51

[Geo7877]

actually i realized that too... i can only remember indy using his whip once in the whole damn movie.... and that was swinging from the rafters at area 51

He used it to take the gun from the soldier in the beginning, to swing from the rafters, and to try and save Mac. That's all I can remember.

[spideyboy_1111]

He used it to take the gun from the soldier in the beginning, to swing from the rafters, and to try and save Mac. That's all I can remember.

and then it just kinda went away... i mean that woulda been a handy tool for the quicksand

[LostSon88]

I caught it this afternoon.

8/10

Slow start but it really picked up once Marion was reintroduced...from there, the movie really clicked for me.

How does it rank among the trilogy? Hmm...i'd say for my preference...

1) TOD
2) Last Crusade
3) Raiders/Crystal Skull

One thing I really enjoyed, was the father-son dynamic. Something I also really loved about Last Crusade.

Just the little looks that Indy and Mutt would give each other throughout the film and how they'd see the similarities in one another, I really liked that.

[Geo7877]

and then it just kinda went away... i mean that woulda been a handy tool for the quicksand

I forgot to look for it the second time. But I hope he doesn't have it on him during the quicksand scene. I'm pretty sure they took all his possessions off him and it was in a tent somewhere, thus making sense. I don't think it was on his waist.

If anyone is going to see the movie again, confirm that he does not have his whip during the quicksand scene.

[deathfromabove]

Well in Raiders all he did was keep his eyes shut, and he didn't even know where the ark was at the end of the movie.





Indy didn't fight the main villians in Raiders. They were melted by the ghosts in the ark. He let the stones take care of Mola Ram in Temple of Doom. And he didn't kill Donovan at the end of Last Crusade. Elsa was the one who gave Donovan the wrong cup to drink from--she even said to let her choose the cup.



Steven Spielberg directed ET. He didn't produce it. And considering I first saw that movie in 1982 and the ending still made me cry when I watched it on TV about 20 minutes ago, and that Close Encounters still one of the best alien movies ever made...I tend to trust him with alien stories. :cwink:

not to mention there are no aliens in "crystal skull".

i repeat, there are no aliens in the movie.

[The Joker]

and then it just kinda went away... i mean that woulda been a handy tool for the quicksand

Either he didnt have it, as the commies took all his gear before the random escape, or it was already submerged. Either way, he couldnt have used it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Either he didnt have it, as the commies took all his gear before the random escape, or it was already submerged. Either way, he couldnt have used it. actually for a couple of minutes they were just calf deep in it....:o but he most likely didnt have it on him... which still makes it uber lame because thats about half the movie without his whip

[Omega Wizard]

I picked up the 12" figures, I lurves them.

[hame4479]

There was just something so off about this film, and it really was the overuse of cgi not really on creatures but more on environments and having Shia swing like ****ing Tarzan. Indy was all about old school sets and this movie really lacked those, plus the last act loses all kinds of steam. On the other hand it gains points for hitting Shia in the nuts over and over and over again. Cate Blanchett was just creeping it up too, which sucks because I was really hoping to like her in the role. Also every time Shia called Indy an old man I wished he woulda put that kid in his place, I am just not used to Indy taking crap from anybody especially a kid.

[FIREPHOENIX]

Awesome movie


Harrison Ford could be 80 and in a wheelchair and Indy would still be awesome has hell.

[BloodyWolverine]

People are complaining why not show alien angle througout were people not watching the films you start out at area 51 and find a strange odd corpse ina silver wrapped tube thats magnatized you then find this skull and that looks alien like and then are shocked god forbid to see an alien or a ship at the end of the movie.
Its was a logical asuumption when the crrystal skull pics for months showed a obvious differant look to it from the documentry crystal human looking skull.

[spideyboy_1111]

People are complaining why not show alien angle througout were people not watching the films you start out at area 51 and find a strange odd corpse ina silver wrapped tube thats magnatized you then find this skull and that looks alien like and then are shocked god forbid to see an alien or a ship at the end of the movie.
Its was a logical asuumption when the crrystal skull pics for months showed a obvious differant look to it from the documentry crystal human looking skull.

umm i think you got it backwards a bit... were complaining saying that the aliens SHOULDN'T have been throughout. no one seriously sat through the whole movie not realizing aliens were involved till the end :o

and most of us didn't keep up on the movie during production or see images of an alien shaped skull :o

[Dr.Doom]

I caught it this afternoon.

8/10

Slow start but it really picked up once Marion was reintroduced...from there, the movie really clicked for me.

How does it rank among the trilogy? Hmm...i'd say for my preference...

1) TOD
2) Last Crusade
3) Raiders/Crystal Skull

One thing I really enjoyed, was the father-son dynamic. Something I also really loved about Last Crusade.

Just the little looks that Indy and Mutt would give each other throughout the film and how they'd see the similarities in one another, I really liked that.
:wow::wow::wow::wow:

[spideyboy_1111]

:wow::wow::wow::wow:

hey, alot of people like TOD... you haters are just more vocal about it :whatever:

[BloodyWolverine]

:wow::wow::wow::wow:
I noticed that as well who has TOD 1. Its kinda cool for someone out is brave enough to admit they like it more.

My list has changed a little bit.

Raiders Of The Lost Ark. 1.
Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. 2.
Last Crusade.3
The Temple Of Doom.4

[CFE]

I finally saw 'KOTCS' on Sunday...but before I put in my two cents, can anyone tell me the general Hype concensus about the film, since I haven't been in here in a few days...

CFE

[turtlefocker]

TOD is my number 1 too... go check the thread where people voted for the best, a lot of people voted TOD

TOD > Raiders > Crystal Skull > Crusade

In my opinion

[DarknessOfDeath]

Im up now... Im going to see Indiana jones again today...

[Ace Frehley]

$25 million yesterday for Indy in the US

$300 million worldwide

[GhostPoet]

WOO!
Go Indy!!! :)

[Trainwreck2100]

and then it just kinda went away... i mean that woulda been a handy tool for the quicksand

It wasn't quicksand

[spideyboy_1111]

It wasn't quicksand

:o i know... but quicksand is faster to type out :whatever:

[shapeshifter]

It wasn't quicksand
don't be that guy

[KALEL114]

$25 million yesterday for Indy in the US

$300 million worldwide

Specifics.

Overseas- $146,455,434 (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=indianajones4.htm)
Domestic- $151,081,000

[Warhammer]

everything is a bunch of theories... many believe them not to be a scam as well... and scam or not theres a big mythos and legend to them, which i feel should have been explored rather then another set of skulls that start telling the same story but then fork off into something a bit out there. the Hedges (i think thats his last name) skull (the first one that was found) is believed to hold information within it. we use the same type of crystal in modern microchips, a study on it by Hewlet Packard showed it had markings inside of it that conduct light in a way that is unnatural. A documentary i watched also said that due to them being crystal you can't actually date them :o

It is interesting about the relation between the crystal and the modern microchips, but I'm calling a bit of bulls*** on that last part about not being able to date them.

You watched that Sci-Fi channel documentary on crystal skulls didn't you? :o

[spideyboy_1111]

It is interesting about the relation between the crystal and the modern microchips, but I'm calling a bit of bulls*** on that last part about not being able to date them.

You watched that Sci-Fi channel documentary on crystal skulls didn't you? :o

yup... according to that documentary, you can't date crystal... due to the way it grows

[The Chris]

He used it to take the gun from the soldier in the beginning, to swing from the rafters, and to try and save Mac. That's all I can remember.

I don't remember the movies over doing the whip usage. I think he used it the most in Raiders (Opening scene swing, Snatching thingfrom toht's hand, scene in street before shooting sword dude) Three or four times for temple (Assassin gets hanged on ceiling fan, I think he swung to get to the stones not sure, swing when getting shot at by Mola rom's scum, and snatching the sword out of scum's hand) think in last crusade he only used it twice (swinging through dad's window, saving dad from falling off tank wheel) , not counting when he whipped his chin. In this movie it's the rafters swinging, the gun snatching, and giving it to mac to try to save him.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I've been doing a bit of research on the crystal skulls... interesting...cause I knew hardly anything about them going into the movie... I mean I probably heard bits and pieces here and there but I guess I needed to refresh my memory

[Rezzo]

How many times has everyone gone to see it? I've seen it twice so far and plan on going again later this week.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Going to see it later today

[Ace Frehley]

Twice so far

[Bad Superman]

Indy is at 313 million world wide so does that opening possibly merit a sequel with such an opening ?

I hope so.

[Rezzo]

Indy is at 313 million world wide so does that opening possibly merit a sequel with such an opening ?

I hope so.

Likewise, I'd like to see one more.

[The Don Killuminati]

this movie was fun, interesting, but lacked the Indy feel i had in the first 3. the wedding at the end was a lame way to end such a big movie but what the hell.

now, shia about to put on indys hat and indy snatching it away was a great sneaky way of saying Indy isnt done yet, Mutt... take a step back til its time lol

[Kent]

yup... according to that documentary, you can't date crystal... due to the way it grows

I was under the impression that the skulls have been dated by analyzing the carvings in the crystal and determining the tools that had to have been used for those carvings... thus setting the lower bound for the age at the time when said tools were first developed.
I guess you could say the aliens helped to make these tools for the Mayans (or whomever), but then we should find these ancient tools as well... and we haven't.

[BloodyWolverine]

I don't think anyone will ever wear the fedora for its Indy hat i bet he will be buried with the hat on if Indy will ever die but likely won't on teh screen. I noticed that Indys hat wa sknocked off the most in this film. Did anyone else noticed that.

[amazingfantasy15]

this movie was fun, interesting, but lacked the Indy feel i had in the first 3. the wedding at the end was a lame way to end such a big movie but what the hell.

now, shia about to put on indys hat and indy snatching it away was a great sneaky way of saying Indy isnt done yet, Mutt... take a step back til its time lol

I felt the same way, it felt like there was something missing, that Indy magic. I felt the same way about the Temple of Doom. In many ways it was like Live Free or Die Hard, all the elements were there for a great Indy movie, but something just didn't click. Although maybe I'd feel different if I saw it again. Might be one of those movies the improves on a second viewing.

[Dr. Watson]

How many times has everyone gone to see it? I've seen it twice so far and plan on going again later this week.

I'm seeing it for the second time Thursday. I have a feeling I'll prob see it one more time after that.

[Bim]

I've seen it two times, i have at least one more in me :cwink:

[Gallagher]

Seen it twice, that's enough for me. I'm not gonna overdo it :woot:

[theShape]

I felt the same way, it felt like there was something missing, that Indy magic. I felt the same way about the Temple of Doom. In many ways it was like Live Free or Die Hard, all the elements were there for a great Indy movie, but something just didn't click. Although maybe I'd feel different if I saw it again. Might be one of those movies the improves on a second viewing.

Also, too much CGI for an action movie like Indy.

[shapeshifter]

Also, too much CGI for an action movie like Indy.
i thought so too. It felt like the new episodes of star wars did. To polished and glitzy. To late career Lucasish for my taste.

[Azrael2007]

I virtually never post on the Hype, but this thread has made me...

I have read through the comments on Indy 4 on here.

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.

Please read the following:

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

[Bim]

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.
And anyone who generalizes like that is an even bigger one :whatever:

[shapeshifter]

I virtually never post on the Hype, but this thread has made me...

I have read through the comments on Indy 4 on here.

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.

Please read the following:

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

some good points there.

[Azrael2007]

And anyone who generalizes like that is an even bigger one :whatever:

I am driven to idiocy based upon my disgust at this film :whatever:

[shapeshifter]

I am driven to idiocy based upon my disgust at this film :whatever:
take it from me kid, you are going to dig a deep hole here doing this. I do the same damn thing far to often. Some of these guys are going to gang rape you with their opinions and try to tear you apart. If you're in it for the long haul I wish you better luck than I usually have.

[Raiden]

Also, too much CGI for an action movie like Indy.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think Indy should have CGI, but w/e.

[shapeshifter]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think Indy should have CGI, but w/e.
i suppose you could argue that Spielberg has always used cutting edge film techniques and CG is just the latest in a long line, but I'm such a fan of the old techniques and so slow to warm up to CG that I would have been very happy to see the movie without it.

[GhostPoet]

I'd gladly watch the film again. That's how much I enjoyed it.

[블라스]

I virtually never post on the Hype, but this thread has made me...

I have read through the comments on Indy 4 on here.

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.

Please read the following:

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html


I rated this a 10 because I had a hell of a time with the movie.
I feel sorry for people like you.
Kiss my ass, you moron.

[Azrael2007]

take it from me kid, you are going to dig a deep hole here doing this. I do the same damn thing far to often. Some of these guys are going to gang rape you with their opinions and try to tear you apart. If you're in it for the long haul I wish you better luck than I usually have.

Nope. Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.

I'm a lifelong Indy fan, and I just got Phantom Menaced to the power of ten. I'm not going to argue with people who will inevitably come round to my way of thinking (to a certain extent at least) once the dust has settled. Just like Phantom Menace, just like Matrix Reloaded...It'll happen.

"...and like that...he's gone..."

[Bim]

I am driven to idiocy based upon my disgust at this film :whatever:
Well ur opinion, even if u hated this movie, would be welcomed, if u didnt go around calling people idiots, just a bit of advice.

I can live with people hating this movie, that doesnt really bother me. However, i'm not a f***** idiot.

[shapeshifter]

Nope. Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.

I'm a lifelong Indy fan, and I just got Phantom Menaced to the power of ten. I'm not going to argue with people who will inevitably come round to my way of thinking (to a certain extent at least) once the dust has settled. Just like Phantom Menace, just like Matrix Reloaded...It'll happen.

"...and like that...he's gone..."
just kind of hit and run huh. probably the safest way to go around here.

[Warhammer]

take it from me kid, you are going to dig a deep hole here doing this. I do the same damn thing far to often. Some of these guys are going to gang rape you with their opinions and try to tear you apart. If you're in it for the long haul I wish you better luck than I usually have.

If he didn't call people "f**king idiots," and respected others' opinions like he'd want his opinion to be respected, then maybe he would not be ganged up on. Anybody can say and believe what they wish.

[shapeshifter]

if you say so

[Bim]

just kind of hit and run huh. probably the safest way to go around here.
That would explain why he rarely posts here.

[amazingfantasy15]

Nope. Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.

I'm a lifelong Indy fan, and I just got Phantom Menaced to the power of ten. I'm not going to argue with people who will inevitably come round to my way of thinking (to a certain extent at least) once the dust has settled. Just like Phantom Menace, just like Matrix Reloaded...It'll happen.

"...and like that...he's gone..."

It's not as bad as The Phantom Menace or Matrix Reloaded. It was a fun action movie, like Indy always has been and didn't try to be anything more, unlike Phantom Menace and Matrix Reloaded. Sure it wasn't perfect and to me lacked that Indy magic, but still a good action/adventure flick.

[The Amazing Lee]

This was a fantasically shot, fun movie that was a blast. Sure it wasn't the best movie in the world or the best Indiana and it had it's flaws, but I enjoyed it...and that's what counts eh?

I'll give this a 7.5

:)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm happy that other people loved it but I didn't.

I'll say something nice about it though. I liked the way Indy was introduced via shadow. I'll really complain later when I get the strength.

[The Man of Steel]

How many times has everyone gone to see it? I've seen it twice so far and plan on going again later this week.
i've seen it now 5 times and am going to see it again this weekend

[Rezzo]

i've seen it now 5 times and am going to see it again this weekend

Wow, the next time I see it will probably be my last time seeing it until the DVD is released.

[The Man of Steel]

Wow, the next time I see it will probably be my last time seeing it until the DVD is released.
next time i see it might be my last. :(

when do you think it'll come out on DVD?

[Rezzo]

when do you think it'll come out on DVD?

I remember someone mentioning December.

[spideyboy_1111]

I was under the impression that the skulls have been dated by analyzing the carvings in the crystal and determining the tools that had to have been used for those carvings... thus setting the lower bound for the age at the time when said tools were first developed.
I guess you could say the aliens helped to make these tools for the Mayans (or whomever), but then we should find these ancient tools as well... and we haven't.

well thats the only way we can come close to determining... some say only modern machines could make them. they can't officially date them, just make educated guesses.

[spideyboy_1111]

summer movies always come out between oct-dec just in time for x-mas

[Fanticon]

Final box office numbers are scheduled to be posted on Wed...i think its going to report a slightly bigger opening.

[The Man of Steel]

I remember someone mentioning December.
that's too long away :csad:

[Drizzle]

that's too long away :csad:
Maybe October or November.

[Thot]

My wife, two kids and I went to see Indy IV last Friday night. We all came out disappointed. There was lots of complaining and criticizing the film in the car all the way back home as well. We went in primed to enjoy at least a decent Indiana Jones film and left the theater feeling cheated and disrespected. KOTC is sloppy, lazy and uninspired film-making. Harrison Ford brought his A-game, but his honest efforts were sorely wasted. The "refrigerator/A-bomb" fiasco, weird cinematography, overuse of CGI (and bad CGI at that), cartoony gophers, Jungle Mutt, and of course the immensely retarded and senseless ending featuring the already infamous alien saucer scene. And for the first time in any Indiana Jones movie, Indy himself did NOT save the day at the end! Unbelieveable!! There were some good points as well, but the bad just make them moot. Unless Spielberg and Lucas repent of their sins on this one, I hope they don't make another. Let Indy rest in peace.

[chaseter]

I virtually never post on the Hype, but this thread has made me...

I have read through the comments on Indy 4 on here.

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.

Please read the following:

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html
Lets keep it that way then:o

All films have problems with scene to scene continuity while some are huge blatant mistakes and others are overlooked. If you go watch a film and write down every single thing that you find wrong with it...then you are the how you said it...f**king idiot.

[DACrowe]

I just want to say some of the fanboy nitpicking is hilarious. Not enough whip action? He only uses his whip three times and people think therefore it is missing the magic of the originals? Well that's interesting, as he only used his whip TWO TIMES in Last Crusade and four times in Temple of Doom!

I mean I agree it is not as good as the original three, but this is the typical fanboy backlash I predict would hit when anything gets overhyped. I think TDK is on the fringe of coming under the same fire that Speilberg is for this, Raimi did for Spidey, Singer for SR, etc. I know for sure that QOS is not going to meet expectations and fans are going to be screaming for Forster and maybe even Craig's heads.

I mean fanboys are trying to turn "nuke the fridge" into jump the shark? Really? No one noticed when Indy fell out of plane on a raft and landed safely thousands of feet below, only to steer it off a cliff and then a waterfall without so much as a scratch?

:rolleyes:

[DACrowe]

Nope. Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.

I'm a lifelong Indy fan, and I just got Phantom Menaced to the power of ten. I'm not going to argue with people who will inevitably come round to my way of thinking (to a certain extent at least) once the dust has settled. Just like Phantom Menace, just like Matrix Reloaded...It'll happen.

"...and like that...he's gone..."

I'm not going to argue with you at all, ,as you seem to have no interest but the entire tone of your posts, particularly the original--screams whiney fanboy. The fact you turned Phantom Menace into a verb is....well good luck with that "fan rage" built up inside of you.:hehe:

[chaseter]

I virtually never post on the Hype, but this thread has made me...

I have read through the comments on Indy 4 on here.

Anyone who rated this over a 5: You are all f**king idiots.

Please read the following:

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com...f-indy-iv.html


Lets take a look at of few of these 'mistakes' and seperate which ones are actual continuity errors between the prior films and lets also look at which ones are opinion without merit shall we? I am not going to go through all 50 as that would take way too long.

1)this is absolutely hilariously stupid
2) Indy said that he and Oxley “used to be obsessed” about the skulls. A more compelling motivation would’ve been, very simply, that Indy was STILL obsessed about the skulls, that it was his latest and greatest passion, that he would love to find one, and he takes off to get it. But here, his motivations are muddled and confusing. Does he want to save Oxley and Mutt’s mom as a courtesy to this kid he's never met before or does he want the skull? Does he even care about the skull?
What is wrong with this. Indy looked for them, nearly died in the jungle, and never found them. So he lost interest and went on to other things. Ox was the only one to continue to look for them.

4) The Warehouse - If Indy knew what the Russians were looking for and how to find it, why did he later ask the FBI agents what was in the box? If he didn’t know what was IN the box, how did he know the box had magnetic properties? He does sorta explain this dilemma in the interrogation scene. He tells the FBI agents a tale about being thrown on a bus in the middle of the night, seeing mutilated bodies, and being told not to say anything. He revealed nothing about his experience with the box and knowing about its properties. The fact that we even have to endure a convoluted piece of verbal exposition about what happened in order to explain how Indy knew about a box and its magnetic properties without knowing its contents is weak screenwriting.
Indy didn't know what was in the box, he explained it. All he was shown was something shrouded and pieces of a crash site. How hard would it be to notice something was magnetized at the site and was probably the thing under the shroud? If the government then stowed away what none of the archaeologists knew...wouldn't you think he would want to know what was in it that the Russians wanted it so bad?

5) Skulls - Correct me if I’m wrong. Indy said in the diner that there were 13 skulls. He found one in Peru, and Spalko obtained another one at the warehouse, right? But there were already 12 in the chamber that needed 13. That's 14 skulls. Then Spalko says later that more skulls were found in Russia and other places. Then why did she need the one in the warehouse? What was the point of the warehouse sequence? What was the point of Indy saying that there were only 13 skulls? How did they know that the skull in the warehouse WASN’T the important 13th skull that needed to be returned? Indy films were a lot of things, but confusing was never one of them.
13 skulls from Aqcuator idiot. All the aliens had crystal bodies including the Roswell one and the few Irina examined in Russia. This guy is an idiot.

I agree with #6

Why was Mac in Peru? Presumably, it’s a conspiracy of the most absurd kind. I think I understand. Try to follow me. The Russians let Marion mail the letter to her son with the instructions to take the letter to Indy so that he will go on the hunt to obtain the 13th skull. And the Russians knew that Indy took on this challenge because they saw Mutt with Indy in the diner, and thus, they sent Mac to Peru to follow them. But Mac’s already betrayed Indy. That makes it an even bigger risk to the Russians to have him there. Why not send some anonymous spy? Why was Mac even in Peru? Didn’t he get paid off for the warehouse job? Shouldn’t he be on holiday? Since when did Russians pay?
Russian soldiers were in Peru. How do you think they were able to be at the grave site that night? I am sure they were all there and who looks less conspicuous...Mac or Russian soldiers or even Irina? They followed him...hard to comprehend?

10) Funny that Mac didn’t die in that crushing head-on collision in the warehouse, which involved THREE vehicles when that third truck rammed into back of what was Indy’s jeep.
Funny how a lot of these happen in EVERY Indy movie.

13) Indy tells the Crystal Skull story to Mutt in the diner almost dismissively (“It's just a story, kid”) even though he just helped the Russians find one in the warehouse… in a box that he didn’t know about but somehow knew it had magnetic properties.
Do you not watch the movies you review? Indy said the Legend was a bedtime story...not the actual skulls, he knew they existed. But he didn't know that they were alien at the time.

Yea I got bored...this guy is an idiot.

[chaseter]

I just want to say some of the fanboy nitpicking is hilarious. Not enough whip action? He only uses his whip three times and people think therefore it is missing the magic of the originals? Well that's interesting, as he only used his whip TWO TIMES in Last Crusade and four times in Temple of Doom!

I mean I agree it is not as good as the original three, but this is the typical fanboy backlash I predict would hit when anything gets overhyped. I think TDK is on the fringe of coming under the same fire that Speilberg is for this, Raimi did for Spidey, Singer for SR, etc. I know for sure that QOS is not going to meet expectations and fans are going to be screaming for Forster and maybe even Craig's heads.

I mean fanboys are trying to turn "nuke the fridge" into jump the shark? Really? No one noticed when Indy fell out of plane on a raft and landed safely thousands of feet below, only to steer it off a cliff and then a waterfall without so much as a scratch?

:rolleyes:
But he survived an underwater journey on the top of a submarine in Raiders. That is plausible:woot:

[Iceman/Psylocke]

This is Indy - he would have survived the nuke even without the fridge. :cool:

[chaseter]

This is Indy - he would have survived the nuke even without the fridge. :cool:
He would have beat away the atoms with his whip:o:cwink:

[Bim]

He would have beat away the atoms with his whip:o:cwink:
:hehe:

[DACrowe]

Nope. Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.

I'm a lifelong Indy fan, and I just got Phantom Menaced to the power of ten. I'm not going to argue with people who will inevitably come round to my way of thinking (to a certain extent at least) once the dust has settled. Just like Phantom Menace, just like Matrix Reloaded...It'll happen.

"...and like that...he's gone..."

BTW I read your fifty cries. I only thoroughly read the first five and skimmed the rest. I just want to say HOW THICK ARE YOU to think that the remains in Area 51 and Irina talks about being found in Russia are apart of the 13 legendary skulls. The skulls in the lost city are 7,000 years old and one is missing. The box in Area 51 are remains from that Roswell crap that Indy went to. I mean if you can't follow that, you are pretty simple minded. As are your complaints of "too much exposition that is confusing" in the graveyard scene, where it is telling what happened visually (as you mueled about not being done in the diner sequence).

The rest of your *****ing was same-old, same-old.

[Schlosser85]

Won't be putting myself up for that. Have no intention of arguing the merits or otherwise of this reprehensible movie with anyone.


How convenient, your points get demolished, so you pull a "won't waste time arguing" act to cover up the fact that you have nothing more to say. :whatever:

[The Lizard]

But he survived an underwater journey on the top of a submarine in Raiders. That is plausible:woot:

He tied himself to the periscope, which never submerged. Pretty risky, but he would have presumably untied himself if the sub had lowered the periscope.

[Chris Wallace]

I enjoyed the movie but I wasn't blown away by it. The story seemd a little...I don't know. It just didn't grab me. And for the life of me I could not comprehend why Indy would so blindly trust a guy who had already double-crossed him at the beginning of the movie, not to mention making it clear from then on that he was working with the bad guys!!!!

[Eros]

This is Indy - he would have survived the nuke even without the fridge. :cool:

If that had happened in say The Mummy Movies, people would be all over it for its insanity.

[Lord Valumart]

And for the life of me I could not comprehend why Indy would so blindly trust a guy who had already double-crossed him at the beginning of the movie, not to mention making it clear from then on that he was working with the bad guys!!!!

seriously? the whole information about them working together for a while previously, the whole bit in the tent...about then working in berlin as double agents...he'd trust Mac cause he'd worked with him before...

[Chris Wallace]

Screw me once, shame on you...

[Kanon]

Yeah, Mac actually fooled me with the double agent stuff...

I'm no Indy, but still...

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, Mac actually fooled me with the double agent stuff...

I'm no Indy, but still...

Not me...I was skeptical when he first said he was CIA. About halfway through, I knew he was dirty. I wasn't the least bit surprised to see him dropping those tracking devices.

[BloodyWolverine]

if you say so
No one is saying any of the dislikers shouldn't have an opinion but most should take in account that most here are Indiana Jones fans. It be like going into a Lord of The Rings forum Aand saying Tolkien Stole ideas from rawling. It not wise to inflare die hard fans of a specific fallowing.

[shapeshifter]

No one is saying any of the dislikers shouldn't have an opinion but most should take in account that most here are Indiana Jones fans. It be like going into a Lord of The Rings forum Aand saying Tolkien Stole ideas from rawling. It not wise to inflare die hard fans of a specific fallowing.
i'm a huge fan of Indy. I've seen the first three more times than I can count. I'm just not a big fan of the new installment. It came up short in my eyes and when I tried to start a discussion it was met with people telling me to take my hate some place else.
So yeah I got pissed.

[BloodyWolverine]

I liked the old films but i think this was worth it if seeing Harrison back in a good way. Sure its no Raiders but there are far worse movies out there and i wasn't jumping on ya. I liked the films but wasn't an avid fan so maybe thats why i don't get too emotional.

[SFII]

I just saw the movie!
it was pretty cool. i gave it an 8 out of 10. :)
there were some parts that seemed to drag on unnecessarily tho. but it wasn't that bad.
i must say that things seemed awkward when Marion made her debut in the film. she seemed out of place/out of sorts. i found myself watching her every move too much. maybe she felt a little bit uncomfortable being infront of a camera filming her again. it's been too long.
Shia was much better in this film than he was in Transformers. in Transformers he was annoying and obnoxious. in this film, he did a good job. i didn't know he had it in him.
the ending was kinda wierd with the whole alien crap, but when you think about Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, it makes sense. they both have done films which are basically based upon the beliefs of aliens, etc.
some other quick notes:
-Cate Blanchet's blue eyes looked incredibly beautiful.
-I loved it when Indy says "I've got a bad feeling about this". great nod to Star Wars! :D
-Shia and the monkeys seemed a bit like a nod to the ewoks. meh.
-I think part of the reason why there were over-extended action scenes is due to the dialogue. the producers probably wanted to rush the film out, so they kept the dialogue short, so the actors didn't have to study/memorize much. therefore, they put in a lot of parts where there's no dialogue, and a lot of action.
-the sword fighting was a bit of a nod to lightsabers and pirates. kinda cool.

overall, i liked it. thank god John Williams did the music or else this movie would be hurting a bit. the music definitely enhances the movie.

[Backdrifter]

Man, this one was pretty crappy.

It started off alright... until the nuclear explosion. From there it just sort of went down hill. The alien thing was stupid and clearly a Lucas idea. Indiana Jones has always delt with the supernatural surrounding ancient artifacts. But, aliens? Come on. That's silly. The love story was forced. The son story was contrived. I want to see the movie that Darabont wrote w/o Lucas' input. I bet that was devoid of monkey swinging scenes.

[CrypticOne]

What I didn't understand about this movie, was when Indy is involved in the atomic bomb explosion. A fridge could save you?

And then the CGI animals (the prarie dogs and monkeys)....I have no words here.

[Cagefighterkip]

overall, i liked it. thank god John Williams did the music or else this movie would be hurting a bit. the music definitely enhances the movie.

agreed, i dug it, but williams music saves every movie that hes made thats bad... like the star wars prequels; fantastic music

[Rezzo]

I want to see the movie that Darabont wrote w/o Lucas' input.

A shame that we'll probably never find out what it consisted of.

[Chris Wallace]

What I didn't understand about this movie, was when Indy is involved in the atomic bomb explosion. A fridge could save you?

And then the CGI animals (the prarie dogs and monkeys)....I have no words here.
The fridge was lead-lined, & clearly labeled thus. That gives it maybe a 30% plausibility rating, in a world where disembodied skeletons can come back to life if the skull is returned.

[Rezzo]

What I didn't understand about this movie, was when Indy is involved in the atomic bomb explosion. A fridge could save you?

And then the CGI animals (the prarie dogs and monkeys)....I have no words here.

The fridge was lined with lead.

[cerealkiller182]

Man, this one was pretty crappy.

It started off alright... until the nuclear explosion. From there it just sort of went down hill. The alien thing was stupid and clearly a Lucas idea. Indiana Jones has always delt with the supernatural surrounding ancient artifacts. But, aliens? Come on. That's silly. The love story was forced. The son story was contrived. I want to see the movie that Darabont wrote w/o Lucas' input. I bet that was devoid of monkey swinging scenes.

Imsure that Spielberg had just as much control over the aliens as Lucas. I dont see why Indy should be regulated to just the supernatural. Besides being based on 50s serials rather than 30s which was more scifi than fantasy, aliens jumpstarting human civilization is not a new theory. Afterall Indy is not a theologist hes an archaeologist, he studies the origins of civilization, not religion

And i still dont know why people are complaining about prairie dogs. I mean seriously they were prolly on screen collectively for a minute.

[Cagefighterkip]

god i want to see Frank Darabonts script in a big way! i wanna see it big... hopefully now that "4"s out... itll "leak" soon

[CrypticOne]

The fridge was lined with lead.

When he got out of the fridge, he was maybe 100 meters away from the mushroom cloud, radiation poisioning.

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[Iceman/Psylocke]

If that had happened in say The Mummy Movies, people would be all over it for its insanity.No, because it wouldn't stand out as any worse than an average scene in The Mummy movies.

[Backdrifter]

So was his skeleton lined with adamantium? Because the distance the violent rolling would kill anyone inside. I just can suspend my disbelief that far. :)

[CrypticOne]

god i want to see Frank Darabonts script in a big way! i wanna see it big... hopefully now that "4"s out... itll "leak" soon

I agree!

[Rezzo]

So was his skeleton lined with adamantium?

Possibly. :oldrazz:

[SFII]

Man, this one was pretty crappy.

It started off alright... until the nuclear explosion. From there it just sort of went down hill. The alien thing was stupid and clearly a Lucas idea. Indiana Jones has always delt with the supernatural surrounding ancient artifacts. But, aliens? Come on. That's silly. The love story was forced. The son story was contrived. I want to see the movie that Darabont wrote w/o Lucas' input. I bet that was devoid of monkey swinging scenes.
come on, you can't blame just Lucas. Spielberg has done atleast 2 big movies involving UFOs/Aliens. Close Encounters, and E.T.
and ofcourse Lucas did Star Wars. and furtermore Harrison was Han Solo.
so, i thought it was not too far a stretch for them to use aliens in this one.

[cerealkiller182]

So was his skeleton lined with adamantium? Because the distance the violent rolling would kill anyone inside. I just can suspend my disbelief that far. :)

After ghosts, bodies immediately decomposing for drinking from the wrong cup, 4000 year old knight, men surviving their hearts being ripped from their chests, voodoo dolls, and countless other acts of the supernatural and you cant suspend your disbelief.

Why are people so hung up on this? Indy could have died, seen the pearly gates, pushed off the edge of a cloud by Sean Connery, and fall back into his body and people would prolly buy that. But 50s paranoia damage control reflected in 50s serial sci-fi which served as inspiration for this film doesnt cut it?

[Rezzo]

Why are people so hung up on this?

Some kind of new "standard" I guess. :huh:

[cerealkiller182]

god i want to see Frank Darabonts script in a big way! i wanna see it big... hopefully now that "4"s out... itll "leak" soon

What sucks is that Lucas is a genius business man. Lucas halted the Darabont script and the first thing Lucas does with his films is making sure he has the merchandising rights (publications included), so I wonder if he'll resort to letting them publish it.

Although this is the same guy who said the original Star Wars dont exist and then planned to put them on DVD.

[Chris Wallace]

So was his skeleton lined with adamantium? Because the distance the violent rolling would kill anyone inside. I just can suspend my disbelief that far. :) Meaning you also roll your eyes at the cliche'd action movie plot device of someone running out in the open, while being chased by a stream of machine gun fire, & yet miraculously managing to stay one step ahead of the bullets?::hehe:

[SFII]

does anyone know any details about what Darabonts' script was about?

[American_Hobo]

It was fun movie.
I give it 8/10.
Although Indy could've used whip more(as far as I can remember..i only remember using the whip once throughout the whole movie.)
And yeah, he didn't have to wear the grandpa pants.

[Rezzo]

does anyone know any details about what Darabonts' script was about?

I don't think there are any details out there about it.

[The Lizard]

After ghosts, bodies immediately decomposing for drinking from the wrong cup, 4000 year old knight, men surviving their hearts being ripped from their chests, voodoo dolls, and countless other acts of the supernatural and you cant suspend your disbelief.



But here's the thing - Indiana Jones himself isn't a supernatural guy, nor was the refrigerator a supernatural refrigerator.

Suspending belief for supernatural or science-fiction elements isn't the same as suspending belief for cartoonish violations of the basic real-world physics that exists even in the Indiana Jones universe.

It's like saying "Well, if you can accept the Hulk existing in a movie, then why not accept the Hulk jumping from the earth to the moon in that movie?"

[terry78]

It was fun movie.
I give it 8/10.
Although Indy could've used whip more(as far as I can remember..i only remember using the whip once throughout the whole movie.)
And yeah, he didn't have to wear the grandpa pants.

Yeah, he did. He's an old man. He wears old man ****.

[bunk]

People are really coming up with some silly reasons for not liking this movie. My friend who hated it mentioned, "too many critters", "too many references to Indy being old", and "bad acting". It's real kitchen sink attitude for some who didn't like it. Just say you don't like the story, or the fact it has CG or something (which is of course, hilarious).

[The Joker]

But here's the thing - Indiana Jones himself isn't a supernatural guy, nor was the refrigerator a supernatural refrigerator.

Suspending belief for supernatural or science-fiction elements isn't the same as suspending belief for cartoonish violations of the basic real-world physics that exists even in the Indiana Jones universe.

It's like saying "Well, if you can accept the Hulk existing in a movie, then why not accept the Hulk jumping from the earth to the moon in that movie?"

In the 50's, people were told they could survive a nuclear blast by doing exactly what Indy did. Hell, even less (ducking under your school desk was a common one they told kids). This movie is done like it was made in the 50's. Hence him surviving. End of debate. You people are just to thick to understand a concept that they've been doing since Raiders, in that they take the mindset of the time periods the movie is set in, and apply that to all the movies logic.

[terry78]

^Exactly, I was sitting around and hearing some of the older folks laughing at all the references to liking Ike, the Howdy Doody theme, the "Red Menace", and other stuff, probably remembering how crazy it was back then.

[The Joker]

It's the exact same thing as starting Temple of Doom out with the over the top song and dance number.

[Chris Wallace]

In the 50's, people were told they could survive a nuclear blast by doing exactly what Indy did. Hell, even less (ducking under your school desk was a common one they told kids). This movie is done like it was made in the 50's. Hence him surviving. End of debate. You people are just to thick to understand a concept that they've been doing since Raiders, in that they take the mindset of the time periods the movie is set in, and apply that to all the movies logic.

In the military we were told if we lay flat on the ground in a straight line (no extended extremities) our helmets would shield us from the blast. I never bought that line of BS myself. I pretty much said if I see a nuke drop, I'm just gonna stand there & watch b/c there's no way I'm gonna survive.

[spideyboy_1111]

come on, you can't blame just Lucas. Spielberg has done atleast 2 big movies involving UFOs/Aliens. Close Encounters, and E.T.
and ofcourse Lucas did Star Wars. and furtermore Harrison was Han Solo.
so, i thought it was not too far a stretch for them to use aliens in this one.

actually you can... lucas is a joke these days.. sure he created an amazing franchise... but then tried to change everything and out do himself.... he doesn't have his "magic" anymore and is simply just a fan boy who thinks he's god... hell he had some horrrrrrrible ideas for indy... and it took spielbergs brains to fix'em

if we had it all lucas's way we'd have Indiana Smith... hell look at the things he came up with in raiders...
Lucas came up with a submarine, a monkey giving the Nazi salute, and Marion punching Jones in Nepal.
where as Spielberg came up with Jones being chased by a boulder...
Lucas saw him as a Bondian playboy, Kasdan and Spielberg felt the professor and adventurer elements of the character made him complex enough.

[Octoberist]

In the 50's, people were told they could survive a nuclear blast by doing exactly what Indy did. Hell, even less (ducking under your school desk was a common one they told kids). This movie is done like it was made in the 50's. Hence him surviving. End of debate. You people are just to thick to understand a concept that they've been doing since Raiders, in that they take the mindset of the time periods the movie is set in, and apply that to all the movies logic.

I was more irked by the monkey scene than anything else.

Besides that, I think SMART PEOPLE (like mE!!!) didn't understand how or why the script felt so unpolished. I think for me, Lucas mentioned how they couldn't make another Indy until the story was perfect.

Here, the story was okay. But it could've been better, and I think that's why people are 'overly' bashing the film. Most are.

I for one, didn't like the fact that Mac and the villain were very undeveloped like all heck. Moreso than the flat but still fun villains from Temple of Doom or Last Crusade (Nobody can't touch Belloq).

I didn't like how they used exposition for almost every scene. That's a big no-no to me.

But I still enjoyed it. But I felt like it was the same Spielberg who directed "The Lost World" working here, not the old 80s Spielberg that we all know and love.

[SFII]

i liked the Elvis song in the beginning. :)

[spideyboy_1111]

In the 50's, people were told they could survive a nuclear blast by doing exactly what Indy did. Hell, even less (ducking under your school desk was a common one they told kids). This movie is done like it was made in the 50's. Hence him surviving. End of debate. You people are just to thick to understand a concept that they've been doing since Raiders, in that they take the mindset of the time periods the movie is set in, and apply that to all the movies logic.

well in that case why didn't he just hide under a desk like they taught the kids in elementary to do.. would you be singing the same tune then? :o

[bunk]

actually you can... lucas is a joke these days.. sure he created an amazing franchise... but then tried to change everything and out do himself.... he doesn't have his "magic" anymore and is simply just a fan boy who thinks he's god... hell he had some horrrrrrrible ideas for indy... and it took spielbergs brains to fix'em

if we had it all lucas's way we'd have Indiana Smith... hell look at the things he came up with in raiders...

That's weird. I could swear it was the other way around regarding the last name choice. Anyway, it's nothing new with Lucas, he's always had good and bad ideas at the same time. It's not like that started after he made the original trilogy. Didn't he consider making Luke a f***ing midget?

[The Joker]

actually you can... lucas is a joke these days.. sure he created an amazing franchise... but then tried to change everything and out do himself.... he doesn't have his "magic" anymore and is simply just a fan boy who thinks he's god... hell he had some horrrrrrrible ideas for indy... and it took spielbergs brains to fix'em

if we had it all lucas's way we'd have Indiana Smith... hell look at the things he came up with in raiders...

All of Lucas ideas were great there though...the monkey-nazi was hillarious, and Marion decking Indy is one of the best introductions of a female protagonists ever. And he was a playboy, as he's had a different chick in every movie, except this one, of course.

[The Joker]

well in that case why didn't he just hide under a desk like they taught the kids in elementary to do.. would you be singing the same tune then? :o

You were told to take cover under the most solid thing around. So he picked the fridge. Makes perect sense to me.

[Octoberist]

All of Lucas ideas were great there though...the monkey-nazi was hillarious, and Marion decking Indy is one of the best introductions of a female protagonists ever. And he was a playboy, as he's had a different chick in every movie, except this one, of course.

the monkey nazi thing was cute and is still cute. I just think that Lucas doesn't have the same sense of humor anymore. which is sad.

[The Lizard]

You people are just to thick to understand a concept that they've been doing since Raiders, in that they take the mindset of the time periods the movie is set in, and apply that to all the movies logic.

Well, I'm not too thick to realize that there's also a lot of modern logic in the Indy movies as well, or else they would end up looking like slow-moving comedies to modern audiences. Since when did 1950's audiences conceive of "spacemen" looking like the modern stereotypical gray aliens for example?

[Octoberist]

Well, I'm not too thick to realize that there's also a lot of modern logic in the Indy movies as well, or else they would end up looking like slow-moving comedies to modern audiences. Since when did 1950's audiences conceive of "spacemen" looking like the modern stereotypical gray aliens for example?

it was a mistake to even show them..the CGI was terrible.

[The Joker]

Well, I'm not too thick to realize that there's also a lot of modern logic in the Indy movies as well, or else they would end up looking like slow-moving comedies to modern audiences. Since when did 1950's audiences conceive of "spacemen" looking like the modern stereotypical gray aliens for example?

That idea originated in the 50's, actually.

[bunk]

it was a mistake to even show them..the CGI was terrible.

I agree. Leave it too imagination, or at least make it a physical creature since it didn't have real complex movements anyway.

[Octoberist]

I agree. Leave it too imagination, or at least make it a physical creature since it didn't have real complex movements anyway.

When they showed the silloutte, I prayed that they won't show the actual alien. Knowing how Lucas is (i kid I kid), bam, it was right there in its fakerery glory.

[spideyboy_1111]

You were told to take cover under the most solid thing around. So he picked the fridge. Makes perect sense to me.

you do realize this would be the only "ignorant" depiction of anything in an indiana jones movie right? The US thought Asians were yellow skinned people with sharp teeth and nails at one point too... would you want them looking like that in a movie? Indy has always had some bases of reality (magic is another story) but like said before, the fridge was not magic, nor was indy... if a car explodes several miles away... the fridge would too.... i think your seriously looking to justify that non-sense.

[bunk]

I still love the saucer leaving though. That was pretty impressive

[The Amazing Lee]

I honestly didn't think the CGI was that bad, to be fair.

[SFII]

i know we all hated the monkeys scene. but what about the ants?

[The Lizard]

That idea originated in the 50's, actually.

Not in 1950's movies, serials or TV shows.

They depicted aliens like this:

http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/SaucerMenLobbyCard.jpg

http://s00.middlebury.edu/AC103A/images/invaders2.gif

http://www.serialexperience.com/image_gallery/Lane_Bradford.jpg

[spideyboy_1111]

i know we all hated the monkeys scene. but what about the ants?

those ants actually act like that.. (prob not as aggressive as shown) but there was nothing they did that was pushing belief really... it would have taken them a longer time to drag a body back to the hive... but i felt that scene was pretty true to the indy gore

[Octoberist]

I still love the saucer leaving though. That was pretty impressive

I do like, however, seeing Indy looking at the saucer from the corner of the screen. You can tell that he was in awe. Samething with Indy looking at the atom bomb explosion.

Anyway,

I think the 'fridge' thing is over-the-top. maybe a little too much for an Indiana Jones film. If that bomb can't destroy Indy then how can a Russian fist-fighting him can? yeah, they're flesh eating ants and all.

But what's more threatening: An Atom Bomb or ants?

There were contradictions in the 'logic' in the movie that even surprised me.

[The Amazing Lee]

i know we all hated the monkeys scene. but what about the ants?

I didn't. :huh:

[bunk]

you do realize this would be the only "ignorant" depiction of anything in an indiana jones movie right? The US thought Asians were yellow skinned people with sharp teeth and nails at one point too... would you want them looking like that in a movie? Indy has always had some bases of reality (magic is another story) but like said before, the fridge was not magic, nor was indy... if a car explodes several miles away... the fridge would too.... i think your seriously looking to justify that non-sense.

Uh no. That's how they were sometimes portrayed for propaganda reasons. Asian people have lived in the U.S. for quite some time, even before the 50's believe it or not.

[bunk]

The ants were awesome. Someone tried to argue it wasn't as good as the Raiders scene with the propellers, by virtue of it not being as graphic. I don't know how some blood spray is somehow more graphic than ants entering a guys face and dragging him away.

[The Joker]

Uh no. That's how they were sometimes portrayed for propaganda reasons. Asian people have lived in the U.S. for quite some time, even before the 50's believe it or not.

^this

[spideyboy_1111]

Uh no. That's how they were sometimes portrayed for propaganda reasons. Asian people have lived in the U.S. for quite some time, even before the 50's believe it or not.

im just making a point... a sarcastic one yes, but still a point. like liz did with the lil green men.

whats next? Indy vs the robot men from space? Indy vs the blob? Indy vs Godzilla?


actually.... Indiana jones and monster island would be kinda cool... having him visit a prehistoric island or something like king kongs....


Atlantis would be best though

[The Joker]

im just making a point... a sarcastic one yes, but still a point. like liz did with the lil green men.

whats next? Indy vs the robot men from space? Indy vs the blob? Indy vs Godzilla?


actually.... Indiana jones and monster island would be kinda cool... having him visit a prehistoric island or something like king kongs....


Atlantis would be best though

I wouldnt mind him venturing into more sci-fi type things at all.

[spideyboy_1111]

I wouldnt mind him venturing into more sci-fi type things at all.

but see don't you understand thats why this movie feels different? Indy had an awesome 30's and 40's serials feel to it... just because he's in the 50's doesnt mean it has to be done like a 50's movie... would you have preferred TOD to be a Film Noir?

[The Lizard]

Atlantis would be best though

One of the Indy video games had him discovering Atlantis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_of_atlantis

[spideyboy_1111]

One of the Indy video games had him discovering Atlantis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_of_atlantis

im well aware.. and just don't care.. lol. not everyone has access to play every indy game or read every indy book... why not make a movie based off one?

[The Joker]

but see don't you understand thats why this movie feels different? Indy had an awesome 30's and 40's serials feel to it... just because he's in the 50's doesnt mean it has to be done like a 50's movie... would you have preferred TOD to be a Film Noir?

TOD was set in the 30's though. So it was done like a 30's serial, just like the other two were. And yes, since it's set in the 50's, it should be done like a 50's serial, that's the entire point. And yeah, it felt a bit different, but it still felt like Indiana Jones in this situation.

[The Joker]

im well aware.. and just don't care.. lol. not everyone has access to play every indy game or read every indy book... why not make a movie based off one?

The game is mentioned in the Lost Diary of Indiana Jones, meaning it's in continuity, meaning there's almost no chance they'll retcon it out and redo the Atlantis thing in a movie.

[SFII]

hey, i'm just glad there were no more Nazis in this one. substituting the Russians in their place was genius tho.

btw, did anyone else find Cate Blanchet's character to be really sexy, or was it just me? :)

[The Joker]

hey, i'm just glad there were no more Nazis in this one. substituting the Russians in their place was genius tho.

btw, did anyone else find Cate Blanchet's character to be really sexy, or was it just me? :)

It wasnt just you. And yeah, the commies were a great replacement for the nazis.

[Octoberist]

She was sexy. hot! But as a character, she was just kinda one dimensional.

[spideyboy_1111]

The game is mentioned in the Lost Diary of Indiana Jones, meaning it's in continuity, meaning there's almost no chance they'll retcon it out and redo the Atlantis thing in a movie.

whats the lost diary of indy? i can't even wiki it... *yawn*

[spideyboy_1111]

TOD was set in the 30's though. So it was done like a 30's serial, just like the other two were. And yes, since it's set in the 50's, it should be done like a 50's serial, that's the entire point. And yeah, it felt a bit different, but it still felt like Indiana Jones in this situation.

ya if you wanna change the franchise.... now you got a 30's serial in a lame 50's serial... :o

[The Joker]

ya if you wanna change the franchise.... now you got a 30's serial in a lame 50's serial... :o

First 3- 30's style

Second 3- 50's style

I would be 100% fine with that...if you dont like it, just dont watc any sequels...b**ching about it in here isnt going to change anything.

[The Joker]

whats the lost diary of indy? i can't even wiki it... *yawn*

It's a book they put out, done in the style of a diary kept by Indy, which chronicles alot of his adventures from Young Indiana Jones up until Crystal Skull. It's $25, and really worth picking up.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Maybe they can do a animated movie....done old school cell animation. Not like the starwars cartoon movie. They can adapt the Atlantis story

[The Kid]

Harrison Ford Voicing an Animated Indy? Why hasn't this been done already?

[SFII]

in Last Crusade, we were told that whoever drinks from the holy grail would have eternal life. this could explain why Indy survived the Nuclear Bomb. yet, in KOTCS, we learn that Indy's dad died. but Indy's dad drank from the holy grail. how could he die??

[Comicfilmer]

Go re-watch Last Crusade. To remain immortal the one who drank from the grail would have to stay behind in the temple. Once you crossed the seal on the floor, the deal was off.

[SFII]

Go re-watch Last Crusade. To remain immortal the one who drank from the grail would have to stay behind in the temple. Once you crossed the seal on the floor, the deal was off.

oh, if that's the case, then RIP Indy's dad. :(

hey, btw, anyone else love it how Marcus Brody's statue's head fell into the lap of the KGB guy? :D Brody is still up to his old tricks!

[DarknessOfDeath]

*Swings in with his bullwhip*

I'm back...

:D

[Schlosser85]

Shia was much better in this film than he was in Transformers. in Transformers he was annoying and obnoxious. in this film, he did a good job. i didn't know he had it in him.



I think he had better material to work with, which should always be kept in mind when judging an actor imho.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well finally Indy4 is first with a 126M....Probably mean an Indy 5.... oh no!:csad:

I heard on another board that even with all the money it has made,a sequel may not be made. It seems some were expecting a smashing huge success,and this isn't it.

[The Joker]

It was like, #3 on the biggest Memorial day weekend openings ever list...if that's not a huge success, I dont know what is...

[The Man of Steel]

She was sexy. hot! But as a character, she was just kinda one dimensional.
agreed

*Swings in with his bullwhip*

I'm back...

:D

welcome back Dr. Jones :grin::indy:

[Rezzo]

It was like, #3 on the biggest Memorial day weekend openings ever list...if that's not a huge success, I dont know what is...

I thought it was number 2?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I saw it again today...and I picked up the Indiana Jones Handbook and the Magazine...plus other ones too. I'll list em if anyone is interested in what I bought.

Anyway, I enjoyed the movie the second time around.

[The Guard]

Indy was all about old school sets and this movie really lacked those

Are we really pretending there were no "sets"? Wow.

I just want to say some of the fanboy nitpicking is hilarious. Not enough whip action? He only uses his whip three times and people think therefore it is missing the magic of the originals? Well that's interesting, as he only used his whip TWO TIMES in Last Crusade and four times in Temple of Doom!

I mean fanboys are trying to turn "nuke the fridge" into jump the shark? Really? No one noticed when Indy fell out of plane on a raft and landed safely thousands of feet below, only to steer it off a cliff and then a waterfall without so much as a scratch?

This I just don't understand. It's like people haven't even SEEN the original movies in years, and are trying to compare them to CRYSTAL SKULL. And using realism to pick apart INDIANA JONES?

Classic.

Also, someone explain to me how psychic aliens are NOT supernatural in nature? Sci-fi and supernatural often go hand in hand.

[PWN3R]

I thought it was number 2?

That's because it is. Pirates: AWE is #1.

So yeah I saw this film again over the weekend, and I enjoyed it even more. Really picked up on the little details that came with Ford's performance.:up:

[Rezzo]

That's because it is. Pirates: AWE is #1.

So yeah I saw this film again over the weekend, and I enjoyed it even more. Really picked up on the little details that came with Ford's performance.:up:

Thought so and it seems like a majority of people are saying it's more enjoyable the second time around which I would agree with. :up:

[bunk]

I have to say, Crystal Skull is definitely the most humorous in my view.

[DarknessOfDeath]

agreed



welcome back Dr. Jones :grin::indy:

Thanks *pats on the head*

You know, in the Indiana Jones Magazine, theres a cute picture of Ford with "Short Round" and gawd, it made me so emotional that I almost shed a tear...

The Magazine is a great pick up. I recommand it for any Indy fan out there. Reading every page and every word for word from the people who help create Indiana Jones - especially Ford himself, it brought back memories and it makes you want to go back and watch all the films again.

I had a blast, I chuckled, laughed, grinned, even my heart melted and theres a lot of interesting stuff to read on.

Cate Blanchette wanted to be Harrison Ford - to be Indiana Jones! ... Don't we all, sweetheart. lols

it was fun to read all the facts and theres humor in there I swear.

[Spider-Vader]

I love TOD and I love CS. CS just would have been better with some Short Round :cmad:
Hopefully 5 will.
Yes someone did post it but does anyone here think sex and teh city will knock Indy off i hear haters say it will fall 60 % next weekend.
I doubt it. It's an R rated comedy, it could of done well later in the summer but now? No way, it's not a comedy like "Knocked Up" where both men & women can enjoy it. I see this weekend going like this:
1. Indy IV
2. Caspian
3. Iron Man
4. SATC
5. The Strangers
That's because it is. Pirates: AWE is #1.

That movie doesn't deserve it.

[SFII]

one of my favorite parts is when Indy says "I've got a bad feeling about this.". classic Star Wars at it's finest!

[DarknessOfDeath]

That's because it is. Pirates: AWE is #1.

So yeah I saw this film again over the weekend, and I enjoyed it even more. Really picked up on the little details that came with Ford's performance.:up:

Thought so and it seems like a majority of people are saying it's more enjoyable the second time around which I would agree with. :up:

I have to say, Crystal Skull is definitely the most humorous in my view.

I definately agree. I notice if you look really deep into Harrison Ford's eyes during the close up shots of him throughout the film, he seems young... I mean you can tell ...gah. I mean even though he's aged a bit, but when you look into his eyes, I can still see the image of his younger self (back in the first 3 films) and its so interesting...that Im looking into the eyes of Indiana Jones himself.

[bunk]

I love the sand pit scene when he stops to explain the difference. So awesome lol.

[SFII]

I definately agree. I notice if you look really deep into Harrison Ford's eyes during the close up shots of him throughout the film, he seems young... I mean you can tell ...gah. I mean even though he's aged a bit, but when you look into his eyes, I can still see the image of his younger self (back in the first 3 films) and its so interesting...that Im looking into the eyes of Indiana Jones himself.
you are knocking at the gay frontdoor with this type of stuff.

[SFII]

I love the sand pit scene when he stops to explain the difference. So awesome lol.
i hated that part because it seemed like such a filler scene.
and it was so obvious that the retarded guy was gonna go get "help" from the russians.
i'm like what am i doing here, you're wasting my time!

[The Joker]

For my fellow Short Round Fanatics, I will scan and post the letter from The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones that's from an older Short Round a bit later :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

you are knocking at the gay frontdoor with this type of stuff.

Uh..im not gay... all I was trying to say was that theres a hint of younger Indy in his eyes if you look deeply enough in them. Because he's a little older, he's still the same ol Indiana Jones from when we last saw of him back in 1989.

[BloodyWolverine]

I am gonna make a Poll of what everyone think sound like a good Indy 5 movie title i will give 11 choices. Ofcourse Lucas likely won't care about little old BW ideas for Indy 5.
I may also make a poll on best Indiana Jones scene from all 4 movies. But won't post that until tomarrow maybe.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Um... I have a forum for that BW^^

[chaseter]

When he got out of the fridge, he was maybe 100 meters away from the mushroom cloud, radiation poisioning.

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100 meters?:huh::wow::whatever: He was maybe half a mile to a mile away from it. And he did get radiation and was therefore washed afterwards.

[chaseter]

But here's the thing - Indiana Jones himself isn't a supernatural guy, nor was the refrigerator a supernatural refrigerator.

Suspending belief for supernatural or science-fiction elements isn't the same as suspending belief for cartoonish violations of the basic real-world physics that exists even in the Indiana Jones universe.

It's like saying "Well, if you can accept the Hulk existing in a movie, then why not accept the Hulk jumping from the earth to the moon in that movie?"
He survived a 1,000 foot fall with a life raft:o

[DarknessOfDeath]

He survived a 1,000 foot fall with a life raft:o


That scene makes me laugh...haha and its still fun to watch :hehe:

[PWN3R]

Seriously I don't understand half of the *****ing for this film. It's Indiana Jones. It's going to be un-realistic in a way.

I would love to know how the original trilogy would be received if it was released today.

[chaseter]

Seriously I don't understand half of the *****ing for this film. It's Indiana Jones. It's going to be un-realistic in a way.

I would love to know how the original trilogy would be received if it was released today.
Fat kids and bald guys would go crazy from the unrealistic props like the dead Molina prop from Raiders.

[Warhammer]

hey, i'm just glad there were no more Nazis in this one. substituting the Russians in their place was genius tho.

btw, did anyone else find Cate Blanchet's character to be really sexy, or was it just me? :)

Hell yes. She was so sexy. I'd tear that ass up. :up:

I think he had better material to work with, which should always be kept in mind when judging an actor imho.

That's because Sam Witwicky and Mutt Williams were two different characters. Shia seemed obnoxious (etc.) in Transformers because his character required it.

[PWN3R]

Yeah, Blanchett was furiously hot with her Red Commie hair. :o:csad:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Mmmm who thought Karen Allen was sexy? :o

[Rezzo]

New featurette on the official site (http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) entitled Frank Marshall's Diary.

[Warhammer]

Mmmm who thought Karen Allen was sexy? :o

She hasn't aged as well as Harrison Ford. I'll leave it at that.

[SFII]

Mmmm who thought Karen Allen was sexy? :o
she looked like a deer in headlights.
sadly.
she seems sweet tho.

[chaseter]

she looked like a deer in headlights.
sadly.
she seems sweet tho.
That is her character, sweet, feisty, but always gets caught.

[DarknessOfDeath]

She hasn't aged as well as Harrison Ford. I'll leave it at that.


oh come on... ;) She's not that bad. I loved her in Skull. I love the part near the end when Indy pats his knee and Marion goes over to him and sits on him and they hold each other close. I was like...Awww. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif :woot:

[The Joker]

Short Round Letter:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/ShortRoundLetter.jpg

The eye of the peacock is the diamond from the beginning of Temple of Doom, by the way.

[SFII]

oh come on... ;) She's not that bad. I loved her in Skull. I love the part near the end when Indy pats his knee and Marion goes over to him and sits on him and they hold each other close. I was like...Awww. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif :woot:
i don't remember that scene.
i like when Marion asks Indy if he had other lovers after her, and he said "i've had a few... but they weren't you." or something along those lines. and then the love theme played for a few seconds. that was kinda cool.

[The Joker]

"Yeah there were other girls. But they all had the same problem."

"Yeah? What was that?"

"They weren't you!"

[DarknessOfDeath]

i don't remember that scene.
i like when Marion asks Indy if he had other lovers after her, and he said "i've had a few... but they weren't you." or something along those lines. and then the love theme played for a few seconds. that was kinda cool.

Its before the very end scene...

[The Joker]

Seeing as it was the last post on the last page :cmad:

Short Round Letter:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/ShortRoundLetter.jpg

The eye of the peacock is the diamond from the beginning of Temple of Doom, by the way.

[SFII]

omg! the next Indiana Jones movie needs to be based in some Far East Asian country, so that we can see Short Round once again!

[The Joker]

I agree. When did China become communist? Cause it could easily be Indy, Mutt, and Short Round vs the Chinese communists in the next one.

[Octoberist]

where's that short round letter from?

[Octoberist]

i still think that they missed the boat by not having short round or sallah at Indy's wedding

[The Joker]

the letter is from The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I bought the Indiana Jones Handbook...quite interesting and humorous...

"How to handle awkward foods.."

When I read that, first thing came to my mind was "Monkey Brain..." and I could almost hear the guy who was sitting next to Willie say that in my head...I had a good laugh. :D

[SFII]

I agree. When did China become communist? Cause it could easily be Indy, Mutt, and Short Round vs the Chinese communists in the next one.
and with any luck, it could re-spark the actor who plays Short Round's acting career, and:
1) launch a Goonies 2 movie, finally.
2) launch more Indiana Jones' spin-off movies featuring Shia and Short Round as a team!

[The Joker]

The Further Adventures of Mutt Williams & Short Round :D

[bullets]

i still think that they missed the boat by not having short round or sallah at Indy's wedding


i think if short round was there i'd want to know what as up with his character. they could of had sallah appear and i would of been content enough.

also ,On the fireplace mantel in Indy's home, there is a photograph of Willie Scott (Kate Capshaw) from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom." She is wearing her red stage dress

[The Joker]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20080528janitor.png

And bullets, that same picture on his mantel is in the Lost Journal too. Just not in color.

[DarknessOfDeath]

oh god... this handbook is so awsome. I recommand it. *rolls on the floor laughing*

[SFII]

also ,On the fireplace mantel in Indy's home, there is a photograph of Willie Scott (Kate Capshaw) from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom." She is wearing her red stage dress
oh god i missed that! :wow: that's awesome.
ya know, Willie is her professional name. :word:

[DarknessOfDeath]

... seriously? Where?

[Omega Wizard]

Short Round Letter:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/ShortRoundLetter.jpg

The eye of the peacock is the diamond from the beginning of Temple of Doom, by the way.
short round ftw.

[블라스]

I would kill any of you to see another Indy movie with Short Round :(
In fact, as much as I liked Mutt, if they're thinking "spin-off", it should be with Short Round, as a badass kung fu adventurer in the 50's, looking for treasure and kicking ass :cmad:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Okay first off I just wanna say that the alien part didn't really bug me. As for the alien being shown, someone else said this and I think so too that the alien is just an image projected from Irina's mind and that no one else saw it. Indy and the others left her behind... but the only thing that Indy and co witnessed was the ship, which I didn't mind. On my second viewing, when I was watching the part when all you see is the destruction of the temple and Indy witnessing it, it feels your with him while everything in front of Indy is happening and your seeing it with him. so Cool.

as far as the monkey scene is concerned, the bit with Mutt swinging is fine, though the scene could do without most of the monkies, but I like the part when Mutt comes face to face with the monkey. so Cute. My fave mutt moment, actually... but I don't like the bit when the monkies start attacking Irina and co in the car - the monkies seem fake to me especially when Irina and co are trying to get them off of them.

[Majik1387]

Yeah, thats the only thing that bugged me about the monkeys.

[BloodyWolverine]

I liked That Part where Marion and Indy are about to kiss and Mutt pops up with some grotesk skeleton and after a few moments Indy smiles cause i think Indy sees some of him in Mutt at that age.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I liked That Part where Marion and Indy are about to kiss and Mutt pops up with some grotesk skeleton and after a few moments Indy smiles cause i think Indy sees some of him in Mutt at that age.


yeah. me too.

Any scene with Marion and Indy; Indy, Marion and Mutt are my fave.

The waterfall scenes :heart:

[블라스]

This was such a great movie, I can't wait to see it again :up:

[BloodyWolverine]

This was such a great movie, I can't wait to see it again :up:
What was your vote for it?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I finally gave it a rating of 9/10 :up:

[블라스]

What was your vote for it?

10, like the other 3 movies :woot:

[SFII]

guys, i have just figured out the next great Indiana Jones synopsis. It definitely involves Short Round. but this time, Short Round is the bad guy!
and Indy and Shorty are both trying to track down the same artifact of some kind. perhaps that black pearl or black eye thingy in that letter Shorty wrote about.
then, during the film you can have awesome scenes like Shorty backhand slapping Indy in the face. very reminiscent to what Indy did to Shorty in TOD. and Shorty could say something like "I've waited a long time to do that."
also, another great line Shorty could say to Indy in regards to Shorty's motivation of claiming the artifact, is "Fortune and glory, Dr. Jones."
god it would be awesome. and yes, Shorty would be very proficient in the art of kung-fu. we can even have Mutt in the movie, and have him do some fighting against Shorty.
ofcourse in the end, Shorty would realize he was gravely mistaken, and turn back to the good side.
:)

[BloodyWolverine]

I have 10 for the others except for TOD 9/10 for Willie annoys me and that Monkey Brain scene is my least favorite thing in all of Indy saga.

[Octoberist]

i love the monkey brain scene. better dead and eaten, then swinging with a teenaged greaser.

[DarthSkywalker]

I enjoyed the movie a lot, especially the first hour and half. However once Indy shots the RPG things are hit and miss. Mostly the misses seem to involve Mutt. He is a terrible contrast to Blanchett who rips it up. Still loved most of the rest, especially the finale and the "hat" scene.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

this time, Short Round is the bad guy! No way! :cmad:

I have 10 for the others except for TOD 9/10 for Willie annoys me and that Monkey Brain scene is my least favorite thing in all of Indy saga.What's wrong with monkey brain? :csad:

[DocHoliday]

No way! :cmad:

What's wrong with monkey brain? :csad:

Nothing as long as they're chilled.

[DarknessOfDeath]

The Indiana Jones handbook tells you how to be mentally prepared for awkward foods...like Monkey brain. :p

[BloodyWolverine]

Its just grosse is all but other then a few parts TOD was great but alot of people have it not ranked up there with other Indy movies.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Sure its gross but its funny when Willie passes out. haha.

Short Round's reaction was priceless too.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Just a little tidbit...read this from another message forum

According to GL, they wanted to bring real monkeys to film that scene but Hawaii wouldn't allow the production company to bring any animals to the island. So that seems to be the main reason they had to use CG monkeys.

[shapeshifter]

No way! :cmad:

What's wrong with monkey brain? :csad:
I don't want to eat AIDS

[DarknessOfDeath]

That tidbit I posted about the CG monkies is from "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones", which chronicles the production of all 4 movies, as the title indicates.

There are some other interesting parts there as well, like the fact that Indy's kid was originally going to be a 13-year-old girl. Spielberg said something like "I already did that in Jurassic Park" and so they went with an older boy.

[BloodyWolverine]

Well i think a Girl would have been better then a Son for Indy but Henry Jones the 3rd kinda a respect link to Indys dad.

[turtlefocker]

Production Budget: $185 million

Domestic Total as of May. 26, 2008: $151,958,445
+ Foreign: $146,399,872

= Worldwide: $298,358,317

"Raiders of the Lost Ark, would equal over $600 million today, but Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was only realistically aiming for the attendance levels of the other two, with The Last Crusade as the low bar at $340 million adjusted."

[BloodyWolverine]

Well i think Indy 4 should cap at 400 mill world wide. Also domestically Indy 4 at least will be second in domestic take in the movie series.

[Gallagher]

Just now realizing how ridiculously under-used Shortround has been in this series.

[protocida]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.

Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)

The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."

Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

[spideyboy_1111]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.

Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)

The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."

Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

most of those scenes should have been in the film or replaced other scenes, Irina's downfall was much better then the one we got:o

[Nirvana]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.

Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)

The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."

Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

How do you know this?

[protocida]

Nevelization and pics.

[Nirvana]

Alright pretty random but has anyone been collecting the BK Indy toys? Because I am missing Motor Wheels Mutt, Mine Cart Chase, and Temple of Mystery and I cannot find them anywhere (traveled out of state and still couldn't find them!). Anyone have them, know where I can get them (not ebay) or willing to look out at a local Burger King? I'd really appreciate it.

[Lord Valumart]

That tidbit I posted about the CG monkies is from "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones", which chronicles the production of all 4 movies, as the title indicates.

so as usual nothing about young indy...brillaint...

[Bim]

That tidbit I posted about the CG monkies is from "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones", which chronicles the production of all 4 movies, as the title indicates.
I ordered this one, since i really enjoyed the Making of SW one... is it good?

[Rezzo]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.

Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)

The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."

Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

If these are true then some of them sound pretty good. :up: