Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[SFII]

Deleted Scenes:

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."


these 3 all sounds funny as hell! :D i would've loved to have seen these scenes included in the movie, damn it!

[RickO'Connell]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.

Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."

Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)

The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."

Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

I hope these are on the DVD

[Mee]

I liked Kingdom, but it could've been a lot better. Some cheesy stuff, too many lame/undeveloped characters, but overall I liked it. 7.5 maybe an 8.

[Octoberist]

I liked Kingdom, but it could've been a lot better. Some cheesy stuff, too many lame/undeveloped characters, but overall I liked it. 7.5 maybe an 8.

Yeah, there were several elements in the movie that stick out like a sore thumb. and those are enough to, in my opinion, taint the movie somewhat.

[Rezzo]

Anyone pick up the soundtrack?

[spideyboy_1111]

I hope these are on the DVD

were they even filmed? just because they were in a script or novel, means nothing :o

[Bim]

I ordered my soundtrack from amazon, i should be getting it soon... looking forward to it for sure! :yay:

Anyone know if any of those deleted scenes were filmed? would be interesting to see some of them on the DVD :woot:

[GhostPoet]

meh...I like the UFO more than the vortex idea.

[bunk]

I thought the score was somewhat lacking in this one.

[Rocker22]

Anyone pick up the soundtrack?

Yep I grabbed it last week.

[SFII]

question: i noticed in this new film the "S" word "s h i t" was used twice, i believe. has it been used in previous Indiana Jones movies? i can't recall.

[GhostPoet]

I remember it being used on the bridge in ToD if I remember...

[turtlefocker]

Deleted Scenes:

Orellana's Death
A brief prologue where we see Orellana trying to return the skull, and being driven mad in the process. He makes it to the Chauchilla Cemetery and the "living dead" overtake him.

Yucatan Pennisula 1957
Indy is crawling beneath a Mayan city, while Mac is outside warning him that a tropical storm is fast approaching. Indy crawls toward the statue of a serpent, and ultimately falls down its mouth into an underground river. He's washed out through the side of a cliff, and uses his bullwhip to swing to safety. Meanwhile, the Russians invade Indy's campsite. When Indy finally returns, he finds everyone dead except Mac. The two are taken prisoner.



Sounds cool but I loved the opening drag race and Indy introduction and think these scenes would cheapen it...


Spalko Operates
This occurs after Indy has survived the A bomb, and Spalko has returned to her base. As three top Russian officials look on, Spalko dissects the Roswell alien in a small operating room. As the officials leave, they coldly inform her that she is not to fail.


Sets up the idea that Spalko is not the main baddie which makes the ending seem less cool and reveals the alien to early in my opinion.


The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.


Would love to see that scene reinstated in the film.


The Football Stadium
Just as a crucial play is about to begin, the motorcycle pursuit bursts onto the field. The quarterback, realizing the other team has backed off, launches a perfect pass. Indy ends up catching it and the crowd applauds. He then throws a pass of his own- through the car's open window and into the head of the driver. (This scene would've appeared in between the student protest and Brody's statue.)

Fortune and Glory
Prior to leaving his house with Mutt, Indy pauses to examine a sketching of Akator. He remarks to himself: "Akator. Where Oxley was taking the skull. If it exists, it would be the find of a lifetime. Make a reputation even politicians can't touch." Presumably, this would've explained how he intended to avoid further pressure from the government.

Nazca Lesson on the Flight to Peru
During the flight, Mutt expresses an interest in the Nazca lines. Indy is trying to sleep, but admires the kid's interest and briefly explains them to him.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)


Meh.


Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."


I like the sound of those


Fighting in the Jungle
Spalko incorporates a lot of sexual innuendo in her fight with Mutt, teasing him about his youth. At one point, Mutt is distracted by the buttons on Spalko's top popping open.

Spalko survives the giant ants by entering an altered state, using mental techniques she has learned from the Inuits. She essentially just stands very still so the ants will not perceive her as a threat. There is no tree or ants building a bridge to reach her.

Marion's Plan Revealed
After landing the duck in a tree, the method to Marion's madness is explained. She yells to Indy: "Saw the tree earlier! When I was driving up! Cliff's not that high at this spot!"

The Duck Ride
As they head downriver, Mac tries to introduce himself to Marion. Indy tells him to back off- having already noticed him eyeing Marion in the camp. As they near the falls, a piranha is washed into the duck and bites Mutt.

Indy realizes that Oxley isn't referring to the waterfall as "the way down"- but the road that runs beside it. Indy instructs everyone to jump from the duck as they go over the falls, as a way of increasing their odds of surviving.

Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."

Climb To Akator
As the group climbs the moutain to the waterfall entrance, Indy warns Mutt to be careful: "Remember kid, three points of contact at all times. Safety first!" Mutt replies by pointing out the obvious: How's any of this safe, man?

Meanwhile, Spalko collapses as a strong vision overtakes her. She realizes that Indy has found the entrance to Akator, and uses a tracking device to confirm her hunch. (Mac doesn't leave homing beacons, and instead is only carrying one in his pocket.)



Meh. Sounds like they would have just taken up time.


The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.

The Lost City
Indy realizes the entire city is functioning as a massive power generator- via water turbines and copper tubing. He uses the skull to open the inner chamber, but it works by reversing its magnetic charge. When the crystal skeletons come to life, Marion remarks how beautiful their eyes are. But Indy is watching Marion instead. When she asks why he isn't paying closer attention, he tells her: "I've found what I was looking for."



Would have liked those to have been in the movie.


Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Brody's Bible
After stopping to inspect the lettering being painted on Indy's new door, the Dean rushes into an office. He talks to a photo of Marcus, and says that he wished Marcus were there to see the day- but perhaps he is. The Dean removes a Bible that had belonged to Marcus and races to the College chapel. The ceremony has been on hold for the Bible, and Indy isn't amused. This also prompts Oxley to comment to the Dean about "how much time is spent waiting."

We have Spalko and Mac briefly talking as they prepare to leave the Area 51 hangar, and Dovchenko being picked by his men after the rocket sled ride.

There's also one I forgot to add, where Indy and Mutt stake out Indy's house. After Indy is confident that it's safe, they go in and research Oxley's letter. But Indy makes a point that they not stick around too long.

Another Marion scene occurs after they climb up the waterfall. Indy jumps first, and yells for the others to follow. Marion leaps first- right into his arms.

It's also worth noting that Indy and Marion are slightly more affectionate to each other after the jungle chase. In addition to holding hands, Marion is frequently moving to stand beside Indy or lock her arm in his.

Boring

_

I'm gonna have to make a fan edit that puts

The Dean's Speech
Indy's Eyes of Fire
Spalko Practices
Spalko and Mac
The Obelisk
and
The Lost City

all back in

[spideyboy_1111]

meh...I like the UFO more than the vortex idea.

the alien bones coming to life and a vortex to me feel more "indy-ish" to me then a UFO and the bones combining and coming alive in the flesh...

[GhostPoet]

Neither of it felt any less Indy-ish to me.

[SFII]

it was funny how they kept tossing Indy that huge snake to get him out of the quicksand. Shia did it with such a straight face. lol :D

[Rezzo]

it was funny how they kept tossing Indy that huge snake to get him out of the quicksand. Shia did it with such a straight face. lol :D

One of my favorite scenes, had me laughing and smiling quite a bit when I first saw it. :up:

[danoyse]

question: i noticed in this new film the "S" word "s h i t" was used twice, i believe. has it been used in previous Indiana Jones movies? i can't recall.

Yep. In Raiders, just before the Nazis boarded their ship and the captain told them their radio was dead. In Temple of Doom, on the bridge when the Thugees were coming from both sides of the rope bridge.

Can't remember if there was any in Last Crusade.

[Matt Murdock]

question: i noticed in this new film the "S" word "s h i t" was used twice, i believe. has it been used in previous Indiana Jones movies? i can't recall.
It was used in Raiders when Indy saw the German submarine and in TOD when Indy was on the bridge.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I really wish they had made a Indy movie in the 90's. Maybe we would have seen his years as a spy. Thats a whole decade or more of stuff we missed.

[spideyboy_1111]

I really wish they had made a Indy movie in the 90's. Maybe we would have seen his years as a spy. Thats a whole decade or more of stuff we missed.

same here... i wish movies would utilize the X3 de-aging technology more often... it looked great!

[Lord Blackbolt]

That tech looked wierd to me though. It still looked fake. They need to perfect it more.

[Bim]

it was funny how they kept tossing Indy that huge snake to get him out of the quicksand. Shia did it with such a straight face. lol :D
That scene was awesome, i loved it... everyone around me was laughing too :hehe:

[Omega Wizard]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

[Bim]

:hehe:

[DACrowe]

Deleted Scenes:

The Dean's Speech
At Indy's house, the Dean offers Indy another piece of advice. He points out that the youth are always asking, "Who will I be?", then later proclaiming, "This is who I am!". But at his age, he has begun to ask, "Who will they say I was?" This affects Indy and leads him to think about his legacy.

Chauchilla Cemetery
During the fight, Mutt throws his switchblade into a warrior's arm- which is then thrown back at him. This is where the still of Mutt examining the bloody switchblade occurs.

Mutt nearly falls through the floor when they enter the chamber, prompting Indy to warn him that they are on a promontory. Indy examines the conquistadors, and realizes they have been wrapped with the same material that was used in the Roswell container. This is how they remained preserved. Indy recovers the skull, and his eyes begin to glow red while staring into it.

Mutt tries to snap him out of the trance, and the burial chamber begins to collapse. Mutt ends up hanging over the Nazca lines, and Indy uses the dead corpse of Orellana to pull him back up. They race to escape as the rest of the chamber collapses. (This might've been a good scene to keep, since it made good use of the Nazca setting and provided a little extra action.)

Indy's Eyes of Fire
The scene where Indy is restrained and forced to stare at the skull is slightly more graphic. His eyes begin to glow red again and eventually tears of blood streak down his face.

Spalko Practices
Before leaving the camp and beginning their jungle convoy, Spalko practices her fencing in a clearing. Dovchenko secretly watches her with a mixture of respect and lust.

Spalko and Mac
One plot point is that the skull will not communicate with Spalko, which frustrates her. During the convoy, Mac notices her attempting to stare into it. He doesn't believe in the psychic nonsense and she tells him of psionic experiments the USSR has been performing.

In one, baby rabbits were taken on a submarine and systematically killed. The mother rabbit was left on the shore and monitored using an EEG. At the precise death of each, the mother registered a strong reaction. Spalko explains: "There is an organic mind-body link shared by all living creatures. If we could control that collective mind..."


Indy and Marion
Indy squeezed and later held Marion's hand during the duck escape, and here they lie beside each other after surviving the waterfall. Marion kids him about being tired, and says it's no wonder, considering the way he's always running all over the world. This prompts Indy to reply: "It ain't the mileage, honey, it's the years."


The Obelisk
It takes a long time for Indy to investigate the pyramid and solve the riddle of the obelisk. This allows Mutt time to take in the spectacle of the lost valley. Once inside, Marion is left hanging on a receeding step. Indy tells her to drop, and promises he will not let her down (implying he is through letting her down in life). She falls into his arms, similar to how she did in the Well of Souls.


Spalko's Death
The 13 aliens spring to life, but do not join into one. Instead, they stare down at Spalko and ultimately close in on her. Her eyes burn black and she screams: "I CAN STILL SEE!" She then leaves her body and floats overhead, watching her own destruction. Her ghostly spirit is soon pulled up into the dark vortex, followed closely by her own corpse.

Mac's Downfall
Indy's group is separated in the labyrinth of corridors. Mac eventually catches up with him, and Indy considers breaking his nose again. He then remembers that Mac has saved his life on several occasions, and realizes that survival is more important than anything else. They continue to flee, but the vortex catches up to them. Mac's pockets are weighted down with gold, causing Mac to be drawn backwards. Indy catches Mac with the whip, and Mac watches as Indy risks his life for someone who's been a lousy friend. He frees himself to save Indy, and laughs at the thought of flying literally into the unknown with pocketfuls of gold.

The Vanishing Vortex
Instead of a UFO, the vortex rises above the city as flying debris spins all around it. The vortex slowly takes on an odd shape, becomes two dimensional, and finally is as thin as a photograph's edge. Then, it simply blinks out of existence.

Oxley explains about the "space between spaces", and demonstrates by holding his hands in an "X" formation- then inverting them. This is a gesture which the alien had made to them in the hidden chamber.

Man, I wish these were kept in. Especially the much superior deaths of Saplko and Mac. I also REALLY have no idea why they would cut that great line "It's not the mileage honey, it's the years." It would have been a great "full circle" line.

The vortex also is less obvious as a flying saucher and would be much more mysterious (i.e. ominous) than seeing the spaceship.

[SFII]

well, my favorite line of the movie is: "I've got a bad feeling about this."
the Star Wars geek in me loves that.
i'm probably the only one in the theater that recognized the line and laughed a little bit.
but then again, i saw a matinee and there was only about 8 other people in the theater. most were elders.

[BloodyWolverine]

I prefer a matinee call me cheap but less kids as well and i don't knwo why parenst took 5 or 6 year olds to see this one.

[Omega Wizard]

I hate getting the last post on a page.
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

[Warhammer]

Wow, I wish that those deleted scenes were in the movie. They would have made it much better, especially "Spalko's Death."

:lmao: @ the Spielberg/Lucas pic. :up:

[LostSon88]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

Nice. :grin:

[Spider-Vader]

This thread is too hard to keep up with.

[The Joker]

those deleted scenes are pretty awesome. I especially like the more graphic staring into the skull one.

[terry78]

The deleted scenes are all in the novel. I just picked it up today and flipped around, and that "I can still see" scene as well as Mac's death are in there.

[That'ssuper!]

When I first learned they were going to Nazca, I thought they were going after the Ica Stones. Then an idea popped into my head, could Indiana Jones use a living dinosaur as an artifact?

[turtlefocker]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

Probably true

[SFII]

When I first learned they were going to Nazca, I thought they were going after the Ica Stones. Then an idea popped into my head, could Indiana Jones use a living dinosaur as an artifact?
no, Indy will discover a living dinosaur in the next one.
they should have him journey to the Galapagos Islands or something.
and damn it, i just thought of something... Lucas and Speilberg should've put extinct animals in KOTCS! like, in 1957, there must've been a couple of animals still living before they become extinct in the near future.

[SFII]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg
how fast the artists are out there to come up with something great like this piece of artwork. :)
Star Wars the crayons. lol !

[turtlefocker]

no, Indy will discover a living dinosaur in the next one.
they should have him journey to the Galapagos Islands or something.
and damn it, i just thought of something... Lucas and Speilberg should've put extinct animals in KOTCS! like, in 1957, there must've been a couple of animals still living before they become extinct in the near future.

http://www.bakerradio.com/learn/picture.php?albumid=41&pictureid=480

[TNC9852002]

It's ridiculous. No one blamed Lucas for all of the things they didn't like in the past Indy movies, but NOW, for everything they didn't like in Indy 4,

does Spielberg get blamed?

NO

does David Koepp get blamed?

NO

does Jeff Nathanson get blamed?

NO

None of the other 3 producers take any flack from this here.

Ok, I know WHY people are doing this...Lucas is an easy target. A lot of people seem to pick up on how he operates, but I can't see how that justifies where he's just taking hit after hit for every shortcoming this movie had.

I just wish they knew that they are not being fair and not being rational thinkers. Lucas could've been responsible for what they did like in the movie and he'd never get credit for that. Any positive feedback would probably go right to Spielberg or Spielberg alone.

-TNC

[Nirvana]

It's ridiculous. No one blamed Lucas for all of the things they didn't like in the past Indy movies, but NOW, for everything they didn't like in Indy 4,

does Spielberg get blamed?

NO

does David Koepp get blamed?

NO

does Jeff Nathanson get blamed?

NO

None of the other 3 producers take any flack from this here.

Ok, I know WHY people are doing this...Lucas is an easy target. A lot of people seem to pick up on how he operates, but I can't see how that justifies where he's just taking hit after hit for every shortcoming this movie had.

I just wish they knew that they are not being fair and not being rational thinkers. Lucas could've been responsible for what they did like in the movie and he'd never get credit for that. Any positive feedback would probably go right to Spielberg or Spielberg alone.

-TNC

Totally agree

[danoyse]

I prefer a matinee call me cheap but less kids as well and i don't knwo why parenst took 5 or 6 year olds to see this one.

My parents took me to see Raiders when I was 7. :oldrazz:

I saw Indy IV in Oklahoma at a movie theater that seemed full of teenagers confused about who that old man with the hat was. I'm so glad I grew up in the 80s.

I loved the movie, but at some of the more 'controversial' moments, I wasn't thinking that I didn't like them...all I could wonder was just how much this was getting ripped on the internet right now. :whatever:

[DarknessOfDeath]

well, my favorite line of the movie is: "I've got a bad feeling about this."
the Star Wars geek in me loves that.
i'm probably the only one in the theater that recognized the line and laughed a little bit.
but then again, i saw a matinee and there was only about 8 other people in the theater. most were elders.

heh that would explain it was just you... hehe :oldrazz::grin:

[SFII]

Steven Spielberg brought us:
Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
E.T.
Poltergeist

it's not out of his realm to accept aliens or supernatural beings/things in his movies.

[The Man of Steel]

agreed :up:

[terry78]

If he stuck with the same stuff, people would have been like, "it's a ripoff of Tomb Raider or *insert other current everyman adventurer here*". The fans would know that Indy came first, but you know how this current gen is.

[The Man of Steel]

how long y'all think it'll be before a 5th film?

[DarknessOfDeath]

so as usual nothing about young indy...brillaint...


Sorry bro...

I ordered this one, since i really enjoyed the Making of SW one... is it good?

What I posted was from another message board I was hanging around...

and I don't have it but Im gonna order the one thats like 500 pages and has the leather cover on it from the Official site.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Would be cool if those list of scenes were filmed, but I doubt it. I don't want to be disappointed just b/c those scenes are in the book, doesn't mean they were actually filmed. The book is always going to be written differently than what will be seen in the movie in regards to scenes and such.

So... but Im looking forward to the DVD.

[danoyse]

If he stuck with the same stuff, people would have been like, "it's a ripoff of Tomb Raider or *insert other current everyman adventurer here*". The fans would know that Indy came first, but you know how this current gen is.

During the "Come on, genius" scene, a kid behind me said "Like National Treasure 2!" when the stone Indy was on tilted forwards. Sadly, I had just watched NT2 on a plane ride to LA last weekend and was thinking the same thing...

[cerealkiller182]

During the "Come on, genius" scene, a kid behind me said "Like National Treasure 2!" when the stone Indy was on tilted forwards. Sadly, I had just watched NT2 on a plane ride to LA last weekend and was thinking the same thing...

my little brother asked if he could borrow my Indy movies before he saw the 4th. I think someones telling them. Nickolodeon and Disney im sure have covered behind the scenes action.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Okay... I was deeply touched when I read this from Zombie's post off of the JCForums...

Crystal Skull is about a man with nobody--his dad is dead, his old friend (Brody) is dead and his new friend (Ray Winston) betrays him and leaves him for dead--finding family again. Its about him unwittingly becoming a mentor figure to a lost, angry young man without focus in his life, being reunited with the only major love of his life and then finding out that he has a son and that the boy he has been mentoring is in fact that very son. The film is about a fractured family finding itself after being split apart for twenty years and finally coming back together--ending with the wedding scene that caps this point. At the beginning of the movie Indy has nobody and at the end of it he has found a family. Thats a pretty poignant touch.

--

*sniffles*

[Captain Planet!]

The best options (imo) for Indy 5

Indiana Jones and the Three Sacred Treasures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan

Indiana Jones and the Spear of Destiny (Sallah could be in this one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_destiny

Indiana Jones and the Four Treasures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Treasures

Indiana Jones and the Tablets of Destiny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablets_of_Destiny

Indiana Jones and the Secrets of Stonehenge

Indiana Jones and the Search for Noah's Ark

Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth

[BloodyWolverine]

Can this make the most money domestically of the Indy Movies. By my estimates By this next monday indy 4 should Jump over Temple Of Doom and Last Crusade.
Domestically Indy 4 is 159 Million and is about 7 million on Tuesday which should be the amount dayly until Friday.

[Asteroid-Man]

Personally I loved how they gave Mutt a fear too! Rats, Snakes and now Scorpions!

[BloodyWolverine]

Well i am not sure it was actually Scorpions but teh fact it was crawling on him and stung him.

[Asteroid-Man]

Indy wasn't afraid of snakes 'til they were crawling on him either. I hope this hate for Scorpions continues.

[SFII]

i find myself wondering if the gophers had any significant meaning. like, was it a nod to Caddyshack or something??

also, what was the deal with Marion still holding onto that damn steering wheel like she was driving, after they already crashed??

[DACrowe]

Well they didn't have that "gross out scene" unless you count the ants...but they were CGI and not nearly as creepy crawly as real snakes, bugs and rats in each respective film. BTW Indy IV will make the most unadjusted. Adjusted Raiders made over $600 million, Temple made nearly $400 million and Crusade made well over $300 million.

[DACrowe]

i find myself wondering if the gophers had any significant meaning. like, was it a nod to Caddyshack or something??

also, what was the deal with Marion still holding onto that damn steering wheel like she was driving, after they already crashed??

For humor's sake. You fall off three waterfalls ina row, see how easy you let go of what you used to brace yourself with.

I wish they had kept the line in the screenplay for that moment, something like:

MARION: You look terrible.

INDY: It's not the mileage honey, it's the years.

[Rezzo]

how long y'all think it'll be before a 5th film?

Well Spielberg will be tied up for quite a while so if there is to be a fifth film then it's probably gonna take a while.

[The Green Goblin]

The Fridge scene does not bother me. Its Indiana Jones, rafts from airplanes, crawling under trucks, gunshot, with no sleep or food, THE SUBMARINE!, jumping tracks in mine shafts etc.. Its comics/pulp/serials stuff! Sheesh.

Didn't care for the vine swinging scene , of course, but keep in mind, this is also a kid's movie and as a kid. I would have probably loved that.

What did bother me was the script, some of the lines just flat, and the skull plot was confusing and convaluted. Wonder what that Darabont script was like. Where are you Mr Kasdan?

I don't think this movie should have been made, (Crusade was perfect ending!) but that being said , KOTCS was still a fun, nostalgic ride.

7.5 out of 10.

Oh yeah, Cate was HOT! :wow::o

and although shia laPOOF was not bad, (surprisingly) i would have preferred Indy had a DAUGHTER

[Spider-Vader]

how long y'all think it'll be before a 5th film?

Probably after Lincoln, if Spielberg ever gets that off the ground. That movie could of came out last year if Spielberg really cared.

I'm pretty sure Lucas will make a plot soon.

[Gold Samurai]

The Fridge scene does not bother me.

I smell a future mythbuster's episode :yay:

[That'ssuper!]

I say he should be in the hunt for a living dinosaur.

[The Green Goblin]

I smell a future mythbuster's episode :yay:

Someone WILL die :o

[DarknessOfDeath]

I say he should be in the hunt for a living dinosaur.


that would be interesting...hmm

[Rezzo]

I say he should be in the hunt for a living dinosaur.

that would be interesting...hmm

An incredibly far-fetched idea. :oldrazz:

[DarknessOfDeath]

An incredibly far-fetched idea. :oldrazz:

:csad:

i like the dinos

Indiana Jones and the Land Before Time

Indy befriends a little dino kinda like Ducky.. :ohttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gifhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/th_redface.gif

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

holycrap.... thats totally how i see lucas

[Rezzo]

:csad:

i like the dinos

Indiana Jones and the Land Before Time

Indy befriends a little dino kinda like Ducky.. :ohttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gifhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/th_redface.gif

That just sounds so incredibly funny and I'm getting an incredibly funny image in my mind. :oldrazz:

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah... Lucas is always way over his head. Sometimes I wish he could shut up...

[spideyboy_1111]

It's ridiculous. No one blamed Lucas for all of the things they didn't like in the past Indy movies, but NOW, for everything they didn't like in Indy 4,

does Spielberg get blamed?

NO

does David Koepp get blamed?

NO

does Jeff Nathanson get blamed?

NO

None of the other 3 producers take any flack from this here.

Ok, I know WHY people are doing this...Lucas is an easy target. A lot of people seem to pick up on how he operates, but I can't see how that justifies where he's just taking hit after hit for every shortcoming this movie had.

I just wish they knew that they are not being fair and not being rational thinkers. Lucas could've been responsible for what they did like in the movie and he'd never get credit for that. Any positive feedback would probably go right to Spielberg or Spielberg alone.

-TNC

except thats totally when lucas was a credit worthy person.... and not a "lets revamp the sacred trilogy, pretend the original version didn't exist... and then make horrible prequels, past 10 years lucas has done nothing but disappoint and piss off fans. why take the heat off him now?

[chaseter]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg
This is hilarious but they weren't gophers...they were prairie dogs.

[spideyboy_1111]

For humor's sake. You fall off three waterfalls ina row, see how easy you let go of what you used to brace yourself with.

I wish they had kept the line in the screenplay for that moment, something like:

MARION: You look terrible.

INDY: It's not the mileage honey, it's the years.

actually if im not mistaken that was a nod to Raiders..... i believe she drove a car and couldn't let go of the steering wheel after.... if not then it was a nod to another movie cuz i remember that before in something

[Apollo]

I absolutely loved it, it was just as enjoyable as Ironman! this is a film i'll probably watch a dozen more time. I went in to the movie not really knowing much about it since i didn't spoil myself silly, i did the same thing with Ironman, and i think it makes the movies much more enjoyable.
The Set pieces were amazing, i loved the inside of the temple. I'm glad Spielberg went for a lot of set pieces than just all CGI like the star wars prequels. I also enjoyed a lot of the shooting techniques and a loved the characters.
Yea i think it could have had more to it, but thats what sequels are for and i wish they make this into a second trilogy.

I really enjoyed it, i think it is on par with the original films. Though I do think it should have been made 10 years ago.

9/10

[DarknessOfDeath]

I absolutely loved it, it was just as enjoyable as Ironman! this is a film i'll probably watch a dozen more time. I went in to the movie not really knowing much about it since i didn't spoil myself silly, i did the same thing with Ironman, and i think it makes the movies much more enjoyable.
The Set pieces were amazing, i loved the inside of the temple. I'm glad Spielberg went for a lot of set pieces than just all CGI like the star wars prequels. I also enjoyed a lot of the shooting techniques and a loved the characters.
Yea i think it could have had more to it, but thats what sequels are for and i wish they make this into a second trilogy.

I really enjoyed it, i think it is on par with the original films. Though I do think it should have been made 10 years ago.

9/10

My thoughts exactly :up:

[SFII]

I say he should be in the hunt for a living dinosaur.
they already made a little movie in the 80s about that. it's called Baby.
it was pretty cool too. the guy from Greatest American Hero was in it. :)

[SFII]

actually if im not mistaken that was a nod to Raiders..... i believe she drove a car and couldn't let go of the steering wheel after.... if not then it was a nod to another movie cuz i remember that before in something
yeah, like a bad Pee-Wee Herman movie.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, like a bad Pee-Wee Herman movie.

actually its not... it's in a movie.... where the girl can't let go of the steering wheel after a crazy adventure drive, she just sits there holding on to it... i coulda sworn it was raiders when i watched it in the theater... thats going to really bug me now.. i gotta think of what movie thats from...

[Episode29]

My (belated) review:

For the past decade the return of Indiana Jones to film-screens has been speculated and discussed with more religious fervour than the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant combined. As time marched on though, it seemed less and less likely to ever develop past the point of fan-fiction. However, occasionally miracles happen in that little town of Hollywood, and Harrison Ford, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas all threw their battered fedoras into the ring once more to bring us the latest Dr. Jones adventure, Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull.

A lot has changed since we last saw Indy and crew ride into the sunset at the end of The Last Crusade, most importantly the demise of the Nazi threat. This time around it’s those blasted Commies, led by a dominatrix-like Cate Blanchett, up to no good, and seeking to capture unlimited power in the form of the cheesy-looking skulls of the title. Indy, initially forced into aiding the Russians, is soon racing to beat them to the prize, aided by a mysterious young greaser of dubious lineage named Mutt (Shia LaBeouf). Along the way they are joined by friends old and new, such as Karen Allen, resurrecting her Raiders Of The Lost Ark character Marion Ravenwood, Ray Winstone as Indy’s shifty accomplice, and a loopy old professor played by John Hurt.

Now, before digging into the details I’ll answer the million dollar question. No, Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull doesn’t come within spitting distance of the level of quality accomplished by the first three series entries. It’s a reasonably competent adventure film with a few really entertaining set-pieces and enough tongue-in-cheek humour to (sort of) warrant its existence. If it were a National Treasure sequel it’d be a revelation, however as an Indy film it’s a bit disappointing.

When Indy IV clicks though, especially in the action sequences, there is a palpable sense of the classic magic that emanated from the original films. The first major scene, a Soviet-led Area 51 break-in, crackles with an excited sense of joy, as Ford swings from the rafters and engages in some nicely staged fisticuffs. As well, a jungle-set vehicle chase, while a little too heavy on CG (a major stumbling block for the film), contains more inventiveness than most of the films that the series inspired.

It’s unfortunate that the script, by David Koepp, lacks a firm grasp on how to pull all the narrative threads together. The film relies far too heavily on exposition, having Indy deliver long, tortured explanations regarding the crystal skulls, and their usage, history, etc. In previous films the artifacts were simply used as character motivation, with little information necessary. I dare anyone to try and recall anything of consequence about Temple Of Doom’s Sankara stones. The long-winded middle section of this film stifles the energy that is so vital to the enterprise.

Spielberg and Lucas seem desperate to make every event in the film bigger and more cartoonish than their predecessors, which hurt the film in a number of ways. The computer-aided immensity of the environments takes away from the intimacy of the series. Whereas previous adventures were filmed in real locations, which lent an aura of believability, the backdrops here just look... Fake. Also, whose idea was it to make the creepy-crawly scene here in CG? Lucas, no doubt. Animated insects have never been less threatening. The CG gophers I can (barely) forgive, but the finale flat-out doesn't work. It's big, but lacks wonder. And why is Winstone's character suddenly struck a paraplegic???

With those complaints noted, I must admit that the actors all seem to be having fun, with Ford typically engaging, however it’s LaBeouf who gives the standout performance. He completely understands the tone of the film and matches it accordingly. Winstone, Allen and Hurt inject good humour into their underwritten parts, while Blanchett is something of a frustration. The actress is game, but she never gets an iconic villainous moment, and her come-uppance is extremely underwhelming.

As an immediate experience, Indy IV is engaging and breezy, with a light-hearted appeal that most mega-blockbusters lack. It’s only in retrospect that the numerous flaws (a few of which I mentioned) become apparent. While I don’t think the film was necessary, or enriches the series in any way, I must say that I enjoyed my time at the Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull and suspect you might as well.

3 out of 5

[bunk]

they already made a little movie in the 80s about that. it's called Baby.
it was pretty cool too. the guy from Greatest American Hero was in it. :)

Oh s***. I used to love that movie when I was like 5, I completely forgot about it.

[Kal-El 8]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/lucascrayonscomic.jpg

:pal::woot::hehe::funny::lmao::applaud GENIUS !!!!!!!!!

[Catman]

According to Wiki there's no need to blame David Keopp.

Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars script by Jeb Stuart, dated February 20, 1995:

The original script's prologue is set in Borneo in 1949, with Indiana proposing to Dr. Elaine McGregor after defeating pirates. She abandons him at the altar, because the government requests her aid in decoding an alien cylinder (covered in Egyptian, Mayan and Sanskrit symbols) in New Mexico. Indiana pursues her, and battles Russians agents and aliens for the cylinder.

The script featured army ants, a rocket sled fight, Indiana surviving an atomic explosion by sealing himself in a fridge, and a climactic battle between the US military and flying saucers. Henry Jones, Sr., Short Round, Sallah, Marion and Willie cameo at Indiana and Elaine's wedding(s). Indiana is also a former Colonel of the OSS.
[30]

[The Chris]

According to Wiki there's no need to blame David Keopp.

Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars script by Jeb Stuart, dated February 20, 1995:

The original script's prologue is set in Borneo in 1949, with Indiana proposing to Dr. Elaine McGregor after defeating pirates. She abandons him at the altar, because the government requests her aid in decoding an alien cylinder (covered in Egyptian, Mayan and Sanskrit symbols) in New Mexico. Indiana pursues her, and battles Russians agents and aliens for the cylinder.

The script featured army ants, a rocket sled fight, Indiana surviving an atomic explosion by sealing himself in a fridge, and a climactic battle between the US military and flying saucers. Henry Jones, Sr., Short Round, Sallah, Marion and Willie cameo at Indiana and Elaine's wedding(s). Indiana is also a former Colonel of the OSS.
[30]

I think the rocket sled thing was in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull too. Love the ants, and don't mind the fridge thing anymore due to finding out the reasons (or possible reasons) it's in there. Thank god Marion was the one he gets married to in this one. That's the only woman I could see Indiana Jones getting married too because she's perfect for him, and their way of settling down would probably be going on more artifact missions, and they'd probably take Mutt with them. Any way, if they gave indy another love interest and then had Marion at their wedding, not only would it have been weird, it would have pissed me off.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I made a Karen Allen appreciation thread... *sighs* I love Marion :heart: Watching Raiders.

[SFII]

I made a Karen Allen appreciation thread... *sighs* I love Marion :heart: Watching Raiders.
ya know, she was also in Animal House. and guess what... she was a bartender! :D
anything else she was in?

[DarknessOfDeath]

ya know, she was also in Animal House. and guess what... she was a bartender! :D
anything else she was in?

Starman... with Jeff Bridges.

I heard its pretty good. I probably seen it but its been so long that I forget. Thats another movie Im going to get myself to watch before the week is over.

:hehe:

[spideyboy_1111]

ya know, she was also in Animal House. and guess what... she was a bartender! :D
anything else she was in?

Bold = probably most notable movies/appearances

# Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008) .... Marion Ravenwood
# When Will I Be Loved (2004) .... Alexandra Barrie
# Poster Boy (2004) .... Eunice Kray
# Briar Patch (2003) .... Butcher Lee
... aka Plain Dirty (USA: DVD title)
# The Root (2003/I)
# Where Are They Now?: A Delta Alumni Update (2003) (V) .... Katy Schoenstein
# Shaka Zulu: The Citadel (2001) (TV) .... Katherine Farewell
# World Traveler (2001) .... Delores
... aka Globe-trotter, Le (Canada: French title)
# My Horrible Year! (2001) (TV) .... Belinda Faulkner
# "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" .... Paula Varney (1 episode, 2001)
... aka Law & Order: SVU (USA: promotional abbreviation)
... aka Special Victims Unit (New Zealand: English title)
- Scourge (2001) TV episode .... Paula Varney
# In the Bedroom (2001) .... Marla Keyes
# The Perfect Storm (2000) .... Melissa Brown
... aka Sturm, Der (Germany)

# The Basket (1999) .... Bessie Emery
# Wind River (1998) .... Martha (Wilson)
# Falling Sky (1998) .... Resse Nicholson
# All the Winters That Have Been (1997) (TV) .... Hannah Raven
# 'Til There Was You (1997) .... Betty Dawkan
# "Law & Order" .... Judith Sandler (1 episode, 1996)
... aka Law & Order Prime (USA: informal title)
- Survivor (1996) TV episode .... Judith Sandler
# Hostile Advances: The Kerry Ellison Story (1996) (TV) .... Margaret
# Ripper (1996) (VG) .... Dr. Clare Burton
# "The Road Home" (1994) TV series .... Allison Matson
# Ghost in the Machine (1993) .... Terry Monroe
... aka Deadly Terror
# King of the Hill (1993) .... Miss Mathey, Aaron's Teacher
# Voyage (1993) (TV) .... Catherine 'Kit' Norvell
... aka Cruise of Fear
# The Sandlot (1993) .... Mom
... aka The Sandlot Kids
# Rapture (1993) (TV) .... Georgianne Corcoran
# Malcolm X (1992) .... Miss Dunne
... aka X (USA: poster title)
# The Turning (1992) .... Glory Lawson
... aka Pocahontas, Virginia
# Nonesense and Lullabyes: Nursery Rhymes (1992) (V)
# Nonesense and Lullabyes: Poems (1992) (V)
# Sweet Talker (1991) .... Julie Maguire
... aka Confidence
# Secret Weapon (1990) (TV) .... Ruth
# Challenger (1990) (TV) .... Christa McAuliffe

# Animal Behavior (1989) .... Alex Bristow
# Scrooged (1988) .... Claire Phillips
# The Glass Menagerie (1987) .... Laura Wingfield
# Terminus (1987/I) .... Gus
# Backfire (1987) .... Mara McAndrew
# "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" .... Jackie Foster (1 episode, 1986)
- The Creeper (1986) TV episode .... Jackie Foster
# Starman (1984) .... Jenny Hayden
... aka John Carpenter's Starman (USA: complete title)
# Until September (1984) .... Mo Alexander
# Split Image (1982) .... Rebecca/Amy
... aka Captured (Canada: English title)
... aka Envoûtement, L' (Canada: French title)
# Shoot the Moon (1982) .... Sandy
# Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) .... Marion Ravenwood
... aka Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark (USA: video title)
# "East of Eden" (1981) TV mini-series .... Abra
... aka John Steinbeck's 'East of Eden'
# A Small Circle of Friends (1980) .... Jessica Bloom
# Cruising (1980) .... Nancy
... aka Cruising (West Germany)
... aka William Friedkin's Cruising (USA: closing credits title)

# "Knots Landing" .... Annie Fairgate (1 episode, 1979)
- Pilot (1979) TV episode .... Annie Fairgate
# The Wanderers (1979) .... Nina
# Manhattan (1979) .... Television Actor #2
# Lovey: A Circle of Children, Part II (1978) (TV) .... Elizabeth
# Animal House (1978) .... Katy
... aka National Lampoon's Animal House

[BloodyWolverine]

I thought she was in the movie called The Abyss.

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought she was in the movie called The Abyss.

not according to IMDB

[Trainwreck2100]

:csad:

i like the dinos

Indiana Jones and the Land Before Time

Indy befriends a little dino kinda like Ducky.. :ohttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gifhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/th_redface.gif

Indy and the cloneasaurus

[Episode29]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Spielberg would have been wise to look to Sylvester Stallone for inspiration. With Rocky Balboa and Rambo Stallone demonstrated how to properly deliver follow-ups to long dormant franchises. He understood that you need to strip the iconic character down to his basic essence and place him in a story that emphasizes his mythic qualities. Indy IV needed to be more intimate and scaled back and not a tired attempt at meeting the typical bloated aesthetic standards of the modern blockbuster.

[The Man of Steel]

nice lucas pics :woot:

[britrogue]

I still like the idea of Indiana Jones and The Return Of The Monkey Army for the next film

[TheDarkAce]

Indiana Jones 4 was great, I absolutely loved it! The TDK trailer was even attached to it! I hope Indy goes in search for the lost city of Atlantis in the next movie (Everybody knows there is going to be an Indy 5).

[danoyse]

my little brother asked if he could borrow my Indy movies before he saw the 4th. I think someones telling them. Nickolodeon and Disney im sure have covered behind the scenes action.

Nickelodeon has had a ton of Indy IV ads leading up to the release. I read in an article that it was tracking surprisingly strong with kids leading up to it.

In Disneyland this summer (where they have an Indiana Jones ride), they're having a Indiana Jones adventure show, and a 'treasure hunt' for kids around the park. I was there last week and saw a ton of kids wearing replica Indy hats.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Finally got to see Indy 4 today, meaning i have watched an Indy movie every day this week starting on Monday :yay:.

Well, i absolutely loved this movie, the nods to the first 3 were great (especially the musical ones with the Ark theme and the Holy Grail/Henry Jones Snr theme). The first 90-100 mins was just pure, unadulterated Indy for me, it was only in the last 30-40 mins after the jungle chase that my attention began to waver and i started getting a little bored.

Complaints include less of a role than i thought for Ray Winstone and Karen Allen, and some really poor CGI, which both surprises and dissapoints me as Spielberg is normally spot on with CGI.

The cast was excellent though, Ford was amazing, he just is Indianna Jones, but Lebeouf and Blanchett were also amazing, and put in some excellent performances which were thoroughly enjoyable and they both added to the excellent supporting casts this series has a knack for. Karen Allen, Winstone and John Hurt were very good with what they given considering.

Overall, not the disaster that was feared, and not the masterpiece that many expected, but Indianna Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull by no means brings shame to the original trilogy, and takes its place proudly in a very good quadrilogy. 8.5/10 for me, welcome back Indy, you have been missed.

[Tony Stark]

The Fridge scene does not bother me. Its Indiana Jones, rafts from airplanes, crawling under trucks, gunshot, with no sleep or food, THE SUBMARINE!, jumping tracks in mine shafts etc.. Its comics/pulp/serials stuff! Sheesh.

Didn't care for the vine swinging scene , of course, but keep in mind, this is also a kid's movie and as a kid. I would have probably loved that.

What did bother me was the script, some of the lines just flat, and the skull plot was confusing and convaluted. Wonder what that Darabont script was like. Where are you Mr Kasdan?

I don't think this movie should have been made, (Crusade was perfect ending!) but that being said , KOTCS was still a fun, nostalgic ride.

7.5 out of 10.

Oh yeah, Cate was HOT! :wow::o

and although shia laPOOF was not bad, (surprisingly) i would have preferred Indy had a DAUGHTER

You are right, if the movie did have a weakness it was in the script. Realy the first 10-15 minutes felt really akward dialogue wise. I thought they could have left out the whole McCarthyism thing because that's a subplot that went absolutely no where and felt out of place.

When the movie is in it's "zone" it's awesome and a great nostalgic return for Indy.

What dissapointed me the most was after having Karen Allen return, they really gave her nothing to do. Gone was the spunky Marion from Raiders. They had maybe one Marion moment when she says "Get your hands off me you dirty Rusky bastards!" After that they didn't give her any dialogue.

The other problem was that Ray Winstone, who is an excellent actor, had a badly written character in Mac. I know he's supposed to be Indy's longtime friend and ultimate betrayer, but he didn't have the rivalry that we saw with the Belloq character from Raiders. To me the whole "double agent" story line just didn't work.

However, I can put aside all of the minor gripes, because while this lacks the character driven story that Last Crusade had, it has all of the mystery and wonder that Raiders had, which I thought was lacking a bit in Last crusade. When Indy and Mutt are going through the ancient Myan ruins, that when this film becomes and Indiana Jones film.

[BloodyWolverine]

I think Karen driving the boat vehicle into the tree was a good moment and Indy and Her bantering about the fact he didn't merry her back then and i think when Indy told her that teh other women weren't her that she was in love with Indy again when she was planning in just being mad at him.

[GhostPoet]

Ok, so from what I gather...movie snobs hated it. People looking for a fun Indy movie loved it.

That's awesome! that must mean it's a great Indy film =P

[블라스]

It is :up:

[Bim]

I think Karen driving the boat vehicle into the tree was a good moment and Indy and Her bantering about the fact he didn't merry her back then and i think when Indy told her that teh other women weren't her that she was in love with Indy again when she was planning in just being mad at him.
I loved the part where they all were in the back of the truck, and the russian starts to get fed up and tries to shut Marion up :hehe:

[Warhammer]

Ok, so from what I gather...movie snobs hated it. People looking for a fun Indy movie loved it.

That's awesome! that must mean it's a great Indy film =P

People have a right to like or dislike the movie. There is no need to call people "movie snobs" or make the "looking for fun" excuse.

[terry78]

I want a crossover next. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skrull.


It could work.

[Frodo]

I didn't think it was that good , and I'm not a movie snob . Most of the people I've talked to didn't like it or thought it was mediocre at best.

However, if they do another one I hope they get some new screenwriters and bring back Shia and Karen. I would also like it to be a bit more grounded on earth and maybe set in 59,60 or 61.

I think it would be cool to incorparate the whole james bond like spy elements from the early sixties like From Russia with Love . Not that it would be a spy film but bring that whole atmosphere . I guess the soviets would still be the villians but if they are I would hope they make them much more formatable and not cartoon like.

[SFII]

i just remembered something... when i saw the movie, there was a part during the graveyard scene where Mutt yells to Indy "I thought you were a god damn teacher?!", well the "god damn" part was silenced/missing. was this on purpose? i could read his lips. atfirst i thought maybe it was a bad movie projector mishap, but then i realized that "god damn" is a term that many people(not me) have a problem with. so perhaps Spielberg/Lucas gave direct orders to movie theaters across the country/world to "bleep" that part out.

[DACrowe]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Spielberg would have been wise to look to Sylvester Stallone for inspiration. With Rocky Balboa and Rambo Stallone demonstrated how to properly deliver follow-ups to long dormant franchises. He understood that you need to strip the iconic character down to his basic essence and place him in a story that emphasizes his mythic qualities. Indy IV needed to be more intimate and scaled back and not a tired attempt at meeting the typical bloated aesthetic standards of the modern blockbuster.

I respectfully disagree. Rocky Balboa was a decent movie and very heartwarming, but like every sequel at least after Rocky II (I would argue after the first movie) it felt repetitive and unneeded. It was much better than Rocky V and probably a better movie than III and IV for that matter, but none of them were necessary.

Now most sequels are not necessary, but Balboa didn't prove to me we needed to return to the character as a 65 year-old man who somehow still can beat or fight to a draw the heavyweight champion of the world. It was silly and came off desperate for Stalone's career.

And after all the hype I finally saw Rambo this week. Keep in mind I thought the first was really cheesy but entertaining and hated the sequels, but I thought Rambo IV was rubbish. I mean it is better than the sequels and tries to bring back Burma to mainstream media, but it is again such a silly movie. The entire first hour of the movie is an incredibly long and self-indulgent build-up to the action and then the action has no rythym or pace and is just 30 minutes of constant gunfiring. The climax of the movie was Rambo standing in one place shooting everything that wasn't white. I get Stallone's political point of view (though I don't agree with them), but the way he tries to make a Reagan/W.-esque stand against evil and "whiney liberals" cowboy style...it was REALLY cheesy. And the last few minutes with him standing by the tree made me laugh very hard.


Indiana Jones IV did not try to be this epic "death of an archeologist" (as opposed to salesman or boxer/warrior), but an episodic fun adventure in the man's life and puts a capper on his old age and how he has survived the changing times. It was just a lot of fun to see and seeing Jones have a family that he realized he missed in his younger years and exit stage right with his hat was far more satisfying than seeing Rocky standing in the twilight hours of his old staircase in the snow waiting for death or Rambo walking home alone for the first time...Indy went with a crack and a smile and just shows me Speilberg knew what he was doing all along and that is why something like Indiana Jones is timeless and Rambo is not.

Just my opinion.

[DACrowe]

I didn't think it was that good , and I'm not a movie snob . Most of the people I've talked to didn't like it or thought it was mediocre at best.

However, if they do another one I hope they get some new screenwriters and bring back Shia and Karen. I would also like it to be a bit more grounded on earth and maybe set in 59,60 or 61.

I think it would be cool to incorparate the whole james bond like spy elements from the early sixties like From Russia with Love . Not that it would be a spy film but bring that whole atmosphere . I guess the soviets would still be the villians but if they are I would hope they make them much more formatable and not cartoon like.

And the Nazis or Thuggee weren't cartoonish in the previous movies? I agree that the Soviets should have been more menacing when on screen, but the villains in all the Indy movies are very over-the-top/cartoonish.

[Joker]

Ok, I just saw this today. It was good mindless fun. The plot was wafer thin, the movie was filled with silly/cheesy moments, but it was good fun. The action scenes were great.

Cate Blanchett was a good villainess. I really enjoyed her. Shia LeBouf was.....Shia LeBouf. Can't say his character stood out much as being unique. But I enjoyed him, nonetheless. Karen Allen was simply there. John Hurt was good but underused. Harrison showed his age alot in several scenes. He looked haggard and worn.

Overall I give it a 7/10. Leave your brain at the door and enjoy the movie for what it is.

[LostSon88]

when i saw the movie, there was a part during the graveyard scene where Mutt yells to Indy "I thought you were a god damn teacher?!", well the "god damn" part was silenced/missing. was this on purpose? i could read his lips. atfirst i thought maybe it was a bad movie projector mishap, but then i realized that "god damn" is a term that many people(not me) have a problem with.

I think you're seeing things that wearn't there...he never said that. However, when he said, "You're a teacher?" he was stuttering...almost in shock.

I guess if you looked at his lips hard enough you could think he was muttering something like that but i'm pretty sure he was just stuttering as he said that line...

[DarknessOfDeath]

My only gripe is the monkies when they jump on Irina in the car... and the Alien. I wish there was more to it than what was presented on screen. Come on, Spielberg, I want an explaination. I thought the ship part was cool cause Indy was the only one who was in the scenes/shots near the end and it felt like you were actually there with him. :heart:

Plus I felt moved when he goes to sit down and taps his knee and Marion goes to him. :heart: okay yeah I probably said this before but with the Marion theme in the background and she and Indy holding each other close was so emotional... and a nice touch knowing what kind of a relationship they had back then and still have to this day.

I think Marion had the same amount of screen time that she had in Raiders and seeing her again in Skull, was worth it.

[Pablo Parker]

And the Nazis or Thuggee weren't cartoonish in the previous movies? I agree that the Soviets should have been more menacing when on screen, but the villains in all the Indy movies are very over-the-top/cartoonish.

agree... and btw, about the soviets not being bad enough that many people coments, i think they are overlooking the fact that they SHOT TO DEATH the whole Akator tribe! If that´s not evil i don´t know what it is...

[The Man of Steel]

lol, :funny::up: agreed

[Browncoat]

Leave your brain at the door and enjoy the movie for what it is.

:up: If only more people saw it this way. When was Indy ever anything else?

[Rezzo]

:up: If only more people saw it this way. When was Indy ever anything else?

Never. :cwink:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I agree with you guys. :)

[turtlefocker]

agree... and btw, about the soviets not being bad enough that many people coments, i think they are overlooking the fact that they SHOT TO DEATH the whole Akator tribe! If that´s not evil i don´t know what it is...

does it show that? I must have missed it... somehow...

[Pablo Parker]

i think it´s not a matter of leaving your brain out of the door as it is a matter of knowing how to enjoy a film that doesn´t take itself too seriously. That´s what i hated about the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels. They tried to make the series look like a a whole. An epic tale with a deep meaning, when all they had to be was... fun. That´s what Indiana Jones does. And that´s why they are good adventure films. They don´t try to be the Godfather... And they never should :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I remember hearing gun shots and then a scene of dead bodies..

[Ace Frehley]

Yeah it shows it - just before Blanchett pics up one of the trackers.

[Pablo Parker]

I remember hearing gun shots and then a scene of dead bodies..

yep. and Spalko walking amog the corpses... That´s how they goy to the main temple of akator.
so they actually killed more people than the nazis in the other 2 films combined if you think about it :wow:

[Rezzo]

does it show that? I must have missed it... somehow...

It's brief and you don't see much blood, but you definitely get to see them briefly.

[RockSP]

It was just okay. I haven't seen the other 3 in years, but just going from memory this was my least favorite.

[Episode29]

I respectfully disagree. Rocky Balboa was a decent movie and very heartwarming, but like every sequel at least after Rocky II (I would argue after the first movie) it felt repetitive and unneeded. It was much better than Rocky V and probably a better movie than III and IV for that matter, but none of them were necessary.

Now most sequels are not necessary, but Balboa didn't prove to me we needed to return to the character as a 65 year-old man who somehow still can beat or fight to a draw the heavyweight champion of the world. It was silly and came off desperate for Stalone's career.

And after all the hype I finally saw Rambo this week. Keep in mind I thought the first was really cheesy but entertaining and hated the sequels, but I thought Rambo IV was rubbish. I mean it is better than the sequels and tries to bring back Burma to mainstream media, but it is again such a silly movie. The entire first hour of the movie is an incredibly long and self-indulgent build-up to the action and then the action has no rythym or pace and is just 30 minutes of constant gunfiring. The climax of the movie was Rambo standing in one place shooting everything that wasn't white. I get Stallone's political point of view (though I don't agree with them), but the way he tries to make a Reagan/W.-esque stand against evil and "whiney liberals" cowboy style...it was REALLY cheesy. And the last few minutes with him standing by the tree made me laugh very hard.


Indiana Jones IV did not try to be this epic "death of an archeologist" (as opposed to salesman or boxer/warrior), but an episodic fun adventure in the man's life and puts a capper on his old age and how he has survived the changing times. It was just a lot of fun to see and seeing Jones have a family that he realized he missed in his younger years and exit stage right with his hat was far more satisfying than seeing Rocky standing in the twilight hours of his old staircase in the snow waiting for death or Rambo walking home alone for the first time...Indy went with a crack and a smile and just shows me Speilberg knew what he was doing all along and that is why something like Indiana Jones is timeless and Rambo is not.

Just my opinion.

See, I would argue that the final scenes of Rambo/Rocky packed far more punch than the tepid Indy wedding scene. The Stallone vehicles managed to end on such perfect poetic notes that honoured the films that preceeded them. Now, I can totally see your point regarding their actual artistic quality. Let's be honest, Stallone ain't the best writer/director, and those two films are far from flawless cinematic classics. BUT, I get the feeling her understands Rambo/Rocky far better than Spielberg and Koepp do Indiana Jones. He was far most competent in updating his characters.

I'm not saying that IndyIV should have been a small, wistful film. Rather, it should have aimed for the level of realistic thrills of Raiders. KOTCS felt more inspired by the modern blockbusters, with its dopey CG effects, underwritten characters, and nonsensical script, and not the personal type of film the previous three were. Indy felt like a passenger, not the driving force, of his own adventure. This betrays the legacy of the films, and shows a baffling misunderstanding of why we pay to see Indiana Jones films.

[DACrowe]

I think Speilberg shows a great understanding of what Indiana Jones is. I would not argue that KOTCS is the weakest in the series or that it had too much CGI and the ending was anti-climactic (the alien stuff, not the wedding scene) and not enough practical effects or location shooting.

But I think the essence of Indy is there. It should be a fun wild adventure ride. I do agree that the story Lucas came up with is the weakest of four (at least iin MacGuffin and set pieces that didn't take place at a university) and that Koepp is no Lawerence Kasadan (he is semi-retired, why couldn't he come back)? With all that said Speilberg still understood the appeal of Indy and while this feels like more of an epilogue (though I hope there is more) to the previous films, it still captures in that tone the Indy magic.

It doesn't take itself seriously and the ending with Indy having found a family after seeing the price of his loner personality (despite a plethora of sidekicks) at the beginning. He found a family and rekindled old relationships from his youth which he thought was gone. Him putting the hat on is leaving with a bow. It is not as epic a conclusion as the final scene in LC, but that is why I think it is more of an epilogue film and an attempt to revisit this character at least one more time before Ford is too old. I'd say the first hour is great fun and while it goes downhill, it keeps a quick pace and a pulse on what makes Indy such a timeless likable series, even if it pales to its predecessors.

Both Rocky VI and Rambo IV felt like desperate attempts to revive Stallone's career. I do not deny there is some emotion in Rocky VI that lends itself to the audience to be viewed as a warm and affable film. But it still feels arbitrary in its plot/formula and unneeded. Rocky would be much better as a single film today or a single film with a companion sequel than this long line of (mostly mediocre) sequels. Stallone took a nice bow, but I did not want to see Rocky as an old man and this "death of a salesman" approach he took to it worked, but only to muddling results as I don't think it fit the material.

And as I said Rambo IV was a cheesy, silly chest-pounding Reagan tunnel-vision styled cowboy shoot 'em up, but the shoot 'em up was not all that good. The bow and arrow bit was cool for all of its five seconds, but otherwise it was an hour plus build up for a boring escape that led to a short climax that involved Stallone standing in one place and seemingly ending genocide in Burma, which is really, really, really cheesy. The last shot meant nothing to me because I am not a fan of the series and this movie failed to make me care as Stallone wrote Rambo as an unlikable archetype and proves again that unless he is playing Balboa, he struggles with performing emotions.

The latter may be just because I don't like much about Rambo, but while IJIV wasn't as good as it could be, I'm glad Speilberg avoided those approaches. I wish KOTCS was more like Raiders, but since none of them really have reached that level I was content for a fun adventure that got the character and didn't weigh him down with slow-mo shots of "badass." Rocky Balboa was okay, but again feels like another unnecessary tack on to the 1970s classic. Rambo IV didn't even feel like First Blood, as surprisingly First Blood is somewhat liberal and much less about "killing the bad guys" as its sequls are.

[DarknessOfDeath]

In a matter of opinion, its Indiana Jones. just a movie... which I had fun with and felt excited to watch and I'm glad I came along for the adventure from seeing an Indiana Jones film for the first time on the big screen. :up:

Seen it twice and after each showing, it gets better.

[DarknessOfDeath]

In a matter of opinion, its Indiana Jones. just a movie... which I had fun with and felt excited to watch and I'm glad I came along for the adventure from seeing an Indiana Jones film for the first time on the big screen. :up:

Seen it twice and after each showing, it gets better.

[Rac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
Zomg. Like KotCS wasn't enough already. Spielberg ruined my childhood.



Spot the sarcasm.

[BloodyWolverine]

For some Indiana Jones is a character that will longer then the actor who played him but too some he will be in a league of many great Characters braught to life by Harrison Ford which that was my like for Indy. A character of many great ones performed by harrison who at one point was going to be a Carpenter for he could not get a job in hollywood until He met Lucas and Han Solo and Indy was born but i think Jack Ryan and His role as a Fugitve should have honorible mentionings.

[chaseter]

Damn...most of those deleted scenes sound awesome.

I just got through watching Last Crusade and will probably see Kingdom again tomorrow. But the level of bickering about stuff from Kingdom is hilarious due to the level of camp, unrealism, and dialogue from the previous 3. Some fanboys are being hypocritical when judging this film. I just don't get it. Only the Mutt Tarzan scene should be criticized and for good reason.

[SFII]

the beginning car racing scenes were a nod to American Graffiti.

[Mladen]

the beginning car racing scenes were a nod to American Graffiti.

a nod to his own movie?

[Gallagher]

a nod to his own movie?

Lucas is a big fan of doing that. Also note Indy's 'I have a bad feeling about this.'






Although I really liked that :woot:

[hame4479]

My biggest problem was Shia and company stealing precious indy screentime. I don't want to see shia swordfighting or involved in any action set pieces. I simply want Indy kicking ass and saving everyone's in the process. And is it just me or was Marion useless other than being a plot device for Indy's son and driving off of a cliff onto a tree which was the second dumbest part of the movie?

[The Man of Steel]

I Kinda Liked The sword fight

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I respectfully disagree. Rocky Balboa was a decent movie and very heartwarming, but like every sequel at least after Rocky II (I would argue after the first movie) it felt repetitive and unneeded. It was much better than Rocky V and probably a better movie than III and IV for that matter, but none of them were necessary.

Now most sequels are not necessary, but Balboa didn't prove to me we needed to return to the character as a 65 year-old man who somehow still can beat or fight to a draw the heavyweight champion of the world. It was silly and came off desperate for Stalone's career.

And after all the hype I finally saw Rambo this week. Keep in mind I thought the first was really cheesy but entertaining and hated the sequels, but I thought Rambo IV was rubbish. I mean it is better than the sequels and tries to bring back Burma to mainstream media, but it is again such a silly movie. The entire first hour of the movie is an incredibly long and self-indulgent build-up to the action and then the action has no rythym or pace and is just 30 minutes of constant gunfiring. The climax of the movie was Rambo standing in one place shooting everything that wasn't white. I get Stallone's political point of view (though I don't agree with them), but the way he tries to make a Reagan/W.-esque stand against evil and "whiney liberals" cowboy style...it was REALLY cheesy. And the last few minutes with him standing by the tree made me laugh very hard.


Indiana Jones IV did not try to be this epic "death of an archeologist" (as opposed to salesman or boxer/warrior), but an episodic fun adventure in the man's life and puts a capper on his old age and how he has survived the changing times. It was just a lot of fun to see and seeing Jones have a family that he realized he missed in his younger years and exit stage right with his hat was far more satisfying than seeing Rocky standing in the twilight hours of his old staircase in the snow waiting for death or Rambo walking home alone for the first time...Indy went with a crack and a smile and just shows me Speilberg knew what he was doing all along and that is why something like Indiana Jones is timeless and Rambo is not.

Just my opinion.

I didnt see that much difference in Indy 4 and Rambo 4, i really enjoyed both, Indy 4 was probably the better movie, but the only difference really was that Rambo had 2 unsatisfying sequels and the Indy series didnt, so KC had a lot more to live up to IMO.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
Zomg. Like KotCS wasn't enough already. Spielberg ruined my childhood.



Spot the sarcasm.

? i dont see the difference other then better quality.... :huh: though i have heard they replaced some guns with walkie talkies (which does suck)

[terry78]

I suspect we either get an animated series, a CGI animated movie, or another live action series about a younger, but not a boyish, Indiana Jones in the future.

[turtlefocker]

? i dont see the difference other then better quality.... :huh: though i have heard they replaced some guns with walkie talkies (which does suck)

I thought they did that in ET, not Indy?

[danoyse]

the beginning car racing scenes were a nod to American Graffiti.

Actually, I think the opening with the Elvis song playing the background was used to establish how much time had passed since the last movie. I know it was definitely a Lucas touch, since he loves his old cars and racing.

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought they did that in ET, not Indy?

i dunno... i was just reading things off of the youtube thing... i couldn't see anything wrong with that scene other then enhancing the detail

[Frodo]

And the Nazis or Thuggee weren't cartoonish in the previous movies? I agree that the Soviets should have been more menacing when on screen, but the villains in all the Indy movies are very over-the-top/cartoonish.

Maybe so , but IMO if you're gonna have Cate Blancett play the villian you should give her better material. I mean come on, the Natasha wig ? She looked silly.Had the film been better I could look over the cartoonishness . Sorry, I give Lucas a pass on this one .

[DarknessOfDeath]

that was her idea... she knew what her look should be according to the official Inidana Jones magazine

[Rac]

? i dont see the difference other then better quality.... :huh: though i have heard they replaced some guns with walkie talkies (which does suck)
Look at the backgrounds.

[spideyboy_1111]

Look at the backgrounds.

so they went from making one have vegetation to the other being a desert ? :o why are people crying about that?

[danoyse]

Yeah, I really don't see what the big deal is. They enhanced the background. So what? :huh:

[Gallagher]

Changing the end of ROTJ to include the plank of wood that played Vader in the prequels = Big Thing.

Changing a bit of vegitation = Being pissy.

[Rac]

I'm not complaining about that. I'm just saying, if they did a minor thing like that what else are they gonna do? Add chipmunks?

[turtlefocker]

Maybe it was accidental in the clean up process....

[DarknessOfDeath]

Cate Blanchett said "[For Spalko's look] I researched yearbooks of high school photos from the 1950's america and I found a couple of pictures, one of a russian girl and one of an american girl with an incredibly short fringe. I thought it really emphasized her eyes, so thats what we went with in the end. I wanted her to have almost an inpenetrable, steel-like quality, with not a hair out of place, no matter what she was doing.."

Theres a lot of interesting stuff she talks about but im not typing it all out. :o

[Infinity9999x]

I think Speilberg shows a great understanding of what Indiana Jones is. I would not argue that KOTCS is the weakest in the series or that it had too much CGI and the ending was anti-climactic (the alien stuff, not the wedding scene) and not enough practical effects or location shooting.

But I think the essence of Indy is there. It should be a fun wild adventure ride. I do agree that the story Lucas came up with is the weakest of four (at least iin MacGuffin and set pieces that didn't take place at a university) and that Koepp is no Lawerence Kasadan (he is semi-retired, why couldn't he come back)? With all that said Speilberg still understood the appeal of Indy and while this feels like more of an epilogue (though I hope there is more) to the previous films, it still captures in that tone the Indy magic.

It doesn't take itself seriously and the ending with Indy having found a family after seeing the price of his loner personality (despite a plethora of sidekicks) at the beginning. He found a family and rekindled old relationships from his youth which he thought was gone. Him putting the hat on is leaving with a bow. It is not as epic a conclusion as the final scene in LC, but that is why I think it is more of an epilogue film and an attempt to revisit this character at least one more time before Ford is too old. I'd say the first hour is great fun and while it goes downhill, it keeps a quick pace and a pulse on what makes Indy such a timeless likable series, even if it pales to its predecessors.

Both Rocky VI and Rambo IV felt like desperate attempts to revive Stallone's career. I do not deny there is some emotion in Rocky VI that lends itself to the audience to be viewed as a warm and affable film. But it still feels arbitrary in its plot/formula and unneeded. Rocky would be much better as a single film today or a single film with a companion sequel than this long line of (mostly mediocre) sequels. Stallone took a nice bow, but I did not want to see Rocky as an old man and this "death of a salesman" approach he took to it worked, but only to muddling results as I don't think it fit the material.

And as I said Rambo IV was a cheesy, silly chest-pounding Reagan tunnel-vision styled cowboy shoot 'em up, but the shoot 'em up was not all that good. The bow and arrow bit was cool for all of its five seconds, but otherwise it was an hour plus build up for a boring escape that led to a short climax that involved Stallone standing in one place and seemingly ending genocide in Burma, which is really, really, really cheesy. The last shot meant nothing to me because I am not a fan of the series and this movie failed to make me care as Stallone wrote Rambo as an unlikable archetype and proves again that unless he is playing Balboa, he struggles with performing emotions.



While Rocky Balboa may have been a desperate attempt to reboot Stallone's career, I still would say it's the best Rocky movie since the first. As other's have said, I think it captures the character of Rocky far better then any of the sequels after the first movie did. And while I agree with you that the new Indy movie did capture that old-school feel of an Indy movie, I don't think the script allowed us enough insight into his character. Now, Indy movies have never exactly focused on character development, but in the newest Indy it just didn't quite have the essence that the old films did.

When it all comes down to it, if a person walked up to me on the street and said "what two movies should I watch to best understand the character of Rocky Balboa?" I'd tell them to watch Rocky and Rocky Balboa. If a person asked me the same question about Indiana Jones, I'd probably tell them to watch Raiders and Last Crusade. Now, that doesn't mean I don't like KOTCS, I do, but I just don't think it captured the core essence of it's main character as well as Rocky Balboa did.

My biggest problem was Shia and company stealing precious indy screentime. I don't want to see shia swordfighting or involved in any action set pieces. I simply want Indy kicking ass and saving everyone's in the process. And is it just me or was Marion useless other than being a plot device for Indy's son and driving off of a cliff onto a tree which was the second dumbest part of the movie?

I didn't mind Shia getting action scenes, but I was disappointed that they couldn't something more interesting with his character. And I totally agree with Marion. I expected to see a little more dialog between her and Indy and more of her trademark spunk. She was a little to tamed down in this version.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I would have welcomed more screen time for Marion but in the end, I was okay with what we got of her and to me, she hasn't really changed much over the years. She's still the same Marion from Raiders.

But keep in mind, she has aged over the years so, yeah she maybe tamed a little bit in this movie, and that didn't mind me at all. Some people change a bit in 20 years time.

[BloodyWolverine]

I'm not complaining about that. I'm just saying, if they did a minor thing like that what else are they gonna do? Add chipmunks?
Give it a rest we have heard your opinion which is your own but you been complaing for days. You don't like the film but there is stating a valid opinion and just being annoying about it. I can respect the fact you are a die hard 1-3 fan but things change and i don't believe George and Steven have changed its just maybe what was good then may be contributed to never seeing it before. As too now its not as good as it would be when your a child.
I mean teh child that grew up sees raiders and last crusade as untouchible no matter how good a current installment is.
I like the classics but i was not in love with them. That allowed me to welcome an new movie into teh trilogy.
I thought this film was great compared too alot of other stuff out now. And i loved Pirates and Rings. This film too me was a look at Harrison in his golden years. Truely one of the great character actors all time. Like Johnny Depp will be at his age.

[scifiwolf]

To Sciwolf, Rezzo, Cafefighterkip, Dr. Watson and danyose, we have followed this pretty much all the way, I hope you guys enjoyed it. :yay:This is about 80 pages too late, but I haven't been on any message boards in about a week and a half. I saw the movie last Sunday, and loved it. I had my issues with it, but I really need to see it many more times before I let those issues bring my opinion down.

[BloodyWolverine]

Yeah sure i agree there was some parts needed maybe done differantly but over all i enjoyed it but also it was my first Indy movie on the big screen so i may like it cause i never had that with raiders or teh otehr movies.

[SFII]

I Kinda Liked The sword fight
i too enjoyed the swordfight.
and the numerous little treetop smacks to the nuts that Shia endured during it. :applaud
it was funny.

[GhostPoet]

My biggest problem was Shia and company stealing precious indy screentime. I don't want to see shia swordfighting or involved in any action set pieces. I simply want Indy kicking ass and saving everyone's in the process. And is it just me or was Marion useless other than being a plot device for Indy's son and driving off of a cliff onto a tree which was the second dumbest part of the movie?

I really liked Mutt's sword fighting scene.

Also...if you consider that useless (Marion driving off cliff) then you have to consider Marion's role in raiders worthless...spent most of the movie in a basket for her major role :P

[chaseter]

I enjoyed the sword fight as well. It also added depth to Mutt going from prep school to prep school and the fact that he liked blades.

[SFII]

oh another thought i had whilst watching the movie was... during the ufo emergence scene, i kept anticipating hearing the 5-musical-note tune from Close Encounters. :D
it never happend tho.

[chaseter]

oh another thought i had whilst watching the movie was... during the ufo emergence scene, i kept waiting to hear the 5-musical-note tune from Close Encounters. :D
it never happend tho.
Kingdom's aliens would have pwned Encounter's aliens and their lame music talking:o

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would have welcomed more screen time for Marion but in the end, I was okay with what we got of her and to me, she hasn't really changed much over the years. She's still the same Marion from Raiders.

But keep in mind, she has aged over the years so, yeah she maybe tamed a little bit in this movie, and that didn't mind me at all. Some people change a bit in 20 years time.

Exactly, like Indy, she is in the twilight years of her life, she is not going to be the youthful, spunky and gutsy girl she was in Raiders, people grow up.

[chaseter]

Exactly, like Indy, she is in the twilight years of her life, she is not going to be the youthful, spunky and gutsy girl she was in Raiders, people grow up.
Not 35 year old fanboys that still live with their parents:o

[Mr. Credible]

I enjoyed the sword fight as well. It also added depth to Mutt going from prep school to prep school and the fact that he liked blades.

um... that's what you would call depth?

wow.

[terry78]

Not 35 year old fanboys that still live with their parents:o

Hey! My parents live with ME!!! :cmad:

[Cagefighterkip]

Kingdom's aliens would have pwned Encounter's aliens and their lame music talking:o

close encoters is one of the most overRated movies ever made ever

[SFII]

close encoters is one of the most overRated movies ever made ever
How dare you! :wow: Close Encounters was awesome.
it was better than that damn E.T. crap!

[Rezzo]

Saw it again today and it was even better than my first two times. :up:

[Cagefighterkip]

How dare you! :wow: Close Encounters was awesome.
it was better than that damn E.T. crap!

loved ET, close encounters i saw in theaters (theres a second run theater near where i live that shows big old classic blockbusters and due to indy 4's release they recently played the indy trilogy, close encounters, and et one every night, late) and almost left about five times... the raiders trilogy was awesome to see on the big screen, always loved ET but couldnt stand "third kind"

[SFII]

loved ET, close encounters i saw in theaters (theres a second run theater near where i live that shows big old classic blockbusters and due to indy 4's release they recently played the indy trilogy, close encounters, and et one every night, late) and almost left about five times... the raiders trilogy was awesome to see on the big screen, always loved ET but couldnt stand "third kind"
well, compared to the other films you mentioned, Close Encounters is the slowest moving(and oldest) one. so, i can understand your boredom seeing it on the big screen. i might be bored too. it's kind of a film that was intreging for its time, in the 70s.
but, Richard Dreyfuss put on an excellent performance. and i thought the plot was pretty interesting with the whole mass hysteria of the Devil's Tower calling. and that african tribe of people singing the ufo tune backwards. and the end was kindof cool how the UFO opened up and let out people from the past who disappeared unexplainably.

[The Man of Steel]

i too enjoyed the swordfight.
and the numerous little treetop smacks to the nuts that Shia endured during it. :applaud
it was funny.
lol, that was great :funny::up:

[Schlosser85]

Saw it for the third time, enjoyed it even more this time than the second time, the slow parts didn't seem as slow to me. I just wish we'd had more depth in the relationship between Indy and Mutt.

The audience has seemed to generally enjoy it every time I've seen it.

[The Man of Steel]

I Agree, I Would have liked a little more Bonding between the charcters

[raybia]

The movie had many flaws and its the fourth best in the series but considering the caliber of this series, fourth is a huge compliment. I loved this movie!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

wth... Ford just stuffed paper in his mouth and he ate it......... :wow: watching Frantic.

anywho. Now Im thinking of seeing Indy4 again for a third time, probably on Tuesday since its cheap.

[The Man of Steel]

how much is it for you, Junior?

[Rezzo]

I've noticed each time I've gone to see it that the audience is mostly comprised of older people, haven't really seen any kids or younger people at my viewings.

[The Man of Steel]

me neither, most teens and old people

[Schlosser85]

Mostly older people here too, all three times.

[DarknessOfDeath]

how much is it for you, Junior?


Don't call me Jr, Dad. You should know better.

Anyway, ... so does it get better on the third viewing? Why? how?

[Rezzo]

Anyway, ... so does it get better on the third viewing? Why? how?

Scenes that bugged me a bit at first are starting to grow on me more, the swinging scene in particular. Also the movie is just so much damn fun and hasn't gotten old or boring to me. At this point I can't wait to get my hands on the DVD and add it to my collection. Anyone else looking forward to getting all the movies on Blu-ray?

[DarknessOfDeath]

man... I can't wait for the dvd...maybe I'll go see it once a week ...

[BloodyWolverine]

well the people who would like indy would be people who grew up during the 80's naturally and teens are mostly into cinema these days.

[SFII]

i wish Mutt would've gotten his motorcycle back somehow.

[The Joker]

i wish Mutt would've gotten his motorcycle back somehow.

I'm sure he made them go back to the graveyard for it :o

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah... imagine a scene where he finds his motorcycle and ends up riding it in the Jungle? ... oh yay.

[Mrh7448]

Just saw this. I rathered enjoyed it, it was a fun adventure flick despite feeling much more far fetched than previous ventures. It helps that I did not have high expectations for this movie.

Did enjoy the Pancho Villa conversation, since that was an episode of the Young Indiana Jones series. There were some good nods in there.

Overall not too bad, not great but not as horrible as some seem to think IMO.

[StylishHokie21]

I'll be going to watch it again for the second time soon.

[DACrowe]

Yeah speaking of which I thought it'd be interesting to try and create a timeline for Indiana Jones (sue me, I'm bored). I'm making this up as I go from what I remember so correct me if I'm wrong and fill in anything I miss.

Okay:

July 1, 1897 -- Henry Jones Jr. is born to Henry and Anna Jones (I set the year back two years because Indy is supposed to be at least 60 in KOTCS, even though the tv show once said it was 1899).

1907 -- Henry travels with his parents around the world. An early stop is in Egypt where Henry scales pyramids and meets T.E. Lawrence (one day to be Lawrence of Arabia). They travel to the Valley of the Kings where Henry has his first adventure in helping "Larry" solve a murder.

1908 -- Henry while traveling Africa meets former US President Theodore Roosevelt and takes some advice from the touring great hunter.

1909 -- Henry goes to Romania and meets Vlad Tepes (Dracula) a living vampire, as well as the undead. ONe of his first supernatural (and violent) adventures.

1912 -- Henry, now having returned to the States with a widowed and grieving father, is going by the name Indiana, after their old dog still alive from his childhood. Indiana when on a boy scouts trip discovers grave robbers stealing the Cross of Coronado in Utah. Indiana steals it from them and is chased home, discovering his love of whips and fear of snakes along the way (as well as a nasty scar). He has to give the cross back, because of his father. But he gets his trusty fedora hat back as a consolation prize and a new passion.

1914 -- To have one last fling before returning to school, he and his older cousin go to the border. It is there that Indiana is kidnapped by raiding Mexican freedom fighters. They are going to execute Indy, but he is fortunately saved by their leader, Pancho Villa, who was in one of his more compassionate moods that day.

1915 -- After months of imprisonment, Indy is inspired to join their cause by Pnacho's words and his new friends, including Remy. Indy joins Pancho Villa's forces at the famous and tragic loss at Celaya where Indy killed for the first time. Indy soon lost the taste for the cause and after avenging a murder that was left unresolved from Egypt, he joined Remy to fight in the Great War in Europe.

1916 -- Indy becomes an affable soldier in the French Army (albeit he fights with the Belgans, alongside Belgan Remy). Indy becomes a messenger courier and corporal.

September 1916 -- Indy and Remy are sent with Belgan troops on a suicide human shiled-type mission by French commander Phillppe Pértain (later to become head of Vichy French government in WWII). This is a bloody battle that involves flames, trench warfare, poison gas and commanding officers that want Indy dead. Hen ad Remy barely survive.

October 1916 -- Indy and Remy go on leave to Paris where Indy loses his virginity to a French belly dancer.

December 1916 -- Invited to London, Indy is appointed to be intelligence for the British. Indy also falls in love for the first time.

1917 -- Acting as a spy in Moscow for the British and Americans, Indy spies on the communist movement under Lenin to see whether it will overthrow Tsar Nicholas II (ally in the wartime cause). Indy befriends the communists and does not believe they would not revolt. Indy loses respect and his position when giving unreliable information about them.

1918 -- Indy ends his "wartime" activities with Remy in the French Foreign Legion (I think) and sees the end of his frontline battlefield days (thankfully).

1918 -- Indy runs guns to the Congo and toys with the idea of joining that war.

1919 -- Indy finally returns to the states and talks to his dad for the first time since he ran away with Pancho Villa and retreives his trusty fedora.

1919 -- Indy goes to the University of Chicago where he works his way through school as a waiter at an Italian restaurant. He learns to play the saxophone for the jazz/blues band there and fight off mobsters at the beginning of prohibition, before they became underlings of Al Capone.

1920 -- Indy meets Harold Oxley as well as archeological mentor, Abner Ravenwood. He also meets Abner's daughter, Marion. He would..."deflower" Marion and leave, causing a rift between him and his mentor.


Okay here is a big chunk of time we don't know what Indy did. He likely got his PhD here (I do not know from where) and began his adult archeology adventures. He also became a Professor or Archeology at a school in Conn. (likely Yale, but they never name it) and meets Marcus Brody.

1935 -- Indy discovers the mystical emperor's tomb and the remains of Nurhaci, founding emperor of the Manchu dynasty. In an attempt to trade it for a priceless diamond of some sort with a Shanghi gangster named Lao Che, Indy is poisoned. In the process he loses the diamond and his old sidekick and friend, Wu Han. He escapes with "prisoner" Willie Scott, a famous American lounge singer, and his "adopted buddy," ten year old Short Round.

1935 -- After escaping a crashing airplane with Willie and Short Round, Indy ends up in India. There a small village forces him to save their sacred stone of Shiva as well as all their children, which has been stolen by a "civilized" and once abandoned palace. Once there Indy discovers they are really a large resurgence of the Thuggee cult that practices in gruesome human sacrifices. Indy saves the children and one of the three Shiva stones after his most disturbing adventure that included torture, drinking human blood, being brainwashed, British calvalry, etc. Indy also wins (and beds) Willie.

1936 -- Indy discovers an ancient Incan artifact after avoiding the most elaborate death traps he ever faced. It is then stolen from him by corrupt rival archeologist, the French Belloq.

1936 -- Indy is comissioned by the American government to find the Ark of the Covenant, before the Nazis do. With the Nazis having already finding the city it was buried under outside of Cairo, Indy enlists the help of old flame, Marion Ravenwood, and sidekick Sallah to do so. Indy escapes snake-filled Well of Souls with the Ark only to have it stolen by Belloq and the Nazis. Indy and Marion recover the Ark after it is opened by the Nazis and Belloq and the wrath of God swallows them whole. Indy loses the Ark to the American government but begins a relationship with Marion again.

1937 -- A week before their wedding, Indy walks out on Marion again. He unknowingly had impregnated Marion before doing so.

1938 -- Recovers the Cross of Coronado on the high seas and killed the gangster who had it.

1938 -- Races the Nazis again to find the Holy Grail. This time Indy is accompanied by his estranged father and Marcus, as well as Sallah. Indy loses the Grail at the end as God does not wish it to leave its temple (as well as the treacherous Dr. Elsa Schneider), but he develops a strong relationship with his father after 19 years of silence.

December 1941 -- Joins the US OSS to spy on the Nazis in France and later Germany.

1942 -- Meets MI6's Mac McHale who saves his life from the Nazis. The two become good friends.

1945 -- Indy and Mac become double agents and spy on the Soviets in Berlin during the first inklings of the Cold War.

1947 -- Driven by US government out into desert outside of Roswell and examines alien remains (though he cannot tell what they are).

1949 -- Discovers the Babylonian INfernal Machine with the help of the CIA, racing the Soviets. He also fights monsters, mystical creatures and island dwelling Japanese who do not know WWII ended.

1950 -- Recovers ancient Native American artifact from cliche American gangsters in Wyoming...with some help from the Blues.

1957 -- Is kidnapped by Soviets who break him into Area 51 to find alien remains. He is then betrayed by sidekick Mac over money. Indy escapes the Russians and a nuclear explosion. Due to his relationship with Mac, Indy is investigated by the FBI still under Hoover (and McCarthyism ideaology) who blacklist Col. Henry Jones and cost him his now tenured professor position.

1957 -- Joins Mutt on a quest to find the crystal skull that holds the secrets of El Dorado within and Mutt's kidnapped mother and father figure, Harold Oxley. Indy learns it was the Russian who did the kidnapping and that the skull is that of an alien's from 5,000 years ago. Indy also learns that Mutt is his son from Marion. Indy loses the skull (and Mac loses his life along with the Russians) to a flying saucer rising from ancient ruins, but Indy rekindles his relationship with Marion and finds a son in the process.

1957 -- Indy is reinstated as Assistant Dean at his university and marries Marion Ravenwood, finally.

What happens next? I dunno. Unless you count those TV show bookends that feature a cycloptic Indy in his 90s in the early 1990s. But it makes sense as it mentions he has a daughter who has her own children and is in her 50s, which obviously contradicts KOTCS. So it no longer counts.

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ Nice timeline.

Hmm

[Mladen]

Yeah speaking of which I thought it'd be interesting to try and create a timeline for Indiana Jones (sue me, I'm bored). I'm making this up as I go from what I remember so correct me if I'm wrong and fill in anything I miss.

Okay:

July 1, 1897 -- Henry Jones Jr. is born to Henry and Anna Jones (I set the year back two years because Indy is supposed to be at least 60 in KOTCS, even though the tv show once said it was 1899).

1907 -- Henry travels with his parents around the world. An early stop is in Egypt where Henry scales pyramids and meets T.E. Lawrence (one day to be Lawrence of Arabia). They travel to the Valley of the Kings where Henry has his first adventure in helping "Larry" solve a murder.

1908 -- Henry while traveling Africa meets former US President Theodore Roosevelt and takes some advice from the touring great hunter.

1909 -- Henry goes to Romania and meets Vlad Tepes (Dracula) a living vampire, as well as the undead. ONe of his first supernatural (and violent) adventures.

1912 -- Henry, now having returned to the States with a widowed and grieving father, is going by the name Indiana, after their old dog still alive from his childhood. Indiana when on a boy scouts trip discovers grave robbers stealing the Cross of Coronado in Utah. Indiana steals it from them and is chased home, discovering his love of whips and fear of snakes along the way (as well as a nasty scar). He has to give the cross back, because of his father. But he gets his trusty fedora hat back as a consolation prize and a new passion.

1914 -- To have one last fling before returning to school, he and his older cousin go to the border. It is there that Indiana is kidnapped by raiding Mexican freedom fighters. They are going to execute Indy, but he is fortunately saved by their leader, Pancho Villa, who was in one of his more compassionate moods that day.

1915 -- After months of imprisonment, Indy is inspired to join their cause by Pnacho's words and his new friends, including Remy. Indy joins Pancho Villa's forces at the famous and tragic loss at Celaya where Indy killed for the first time. Indy soon lost the taste for the cause and after avenging a murder that was left unresolved from Egypt, he joined Remy to fight in the Great War in Europe.

1916 -- Indy becomes an affable soldier in the French Army (albeit he fights with the Belgans, alongside Belgan Remy). Indy becomes a messenger courier and corporal.

September 1916 -- Indy and Remy are sent with Belgan troops on a suicide human shiled-type mission by French commander Phillppe Pértain (later to become head of Vichy French government in WWII). This is a bloody battle that involves flames, trench warfare, poison gas and commanding officers that want Indy dead. Hen ad Remy barely survive.

October 1916 -- Indy and Remy go on leave to Paris where Indy loses his virginity to a French belly dancer.

December 1916 -- Invited to London, Indy is appointed to be intelligence for the British. Indy also falls in love for the first time.

1917 -- Acting as a spy in Moscow for the British and Americans, Indy spies on the communist movement under Lenin to see whether it will overthrow Tsar Nicholas II (ally in the wartime cause). Indy befriends the communists and does not believe they would not revolt. Indy loses respect and his position when giving unreliable information about them.

1918 -- Indy ends his "wartime" activities with Remy in the French Foreign Legion (I think) and sees the end of his frontline battlefield days (thankfully).

1918 -- Indy runs guns to the Congo and toys with the idea of joining that war.

1919 -- Indy finally returns to the states and talks to his dad for the first time since he ran away with Pancho Villa and retreives his trusty fedora.

1919 -- Indy goes to the University of Chicago where he works his way through school as a waiter at an Italian restaurant. He learns to play the saxophone for the jazz/blues band there and fight off mobsters at the beginning of prohibition, before they became underlings of Al Capone.

1920 -- Indy meets Harold Oxley as well as archeological mentor, Abner Ravenwood. He also meets Abner's daughter, Marion. He would..."deflower" Marion and leave, causing a rift between him and his mentor.


Okay here is a big chunk of time we don't know what Indy did. He likely got his PhD here (I do not know from where) and began his adult archeology adventures. He also became a Professor or Archeology at a school in Conn. (likely Yale, but they never name it) and meets Marcus Brody.

1935 -- Indy discovers the mystical emperor's tomb and the remains of Nurhaci, founding emperor of the Manchu dynasty. In an attempt to trade it for a priceless diamond of some sort with a Shanghi gangster named Lao Che, Indy is poisoned. In the process he loses the diamond and his old sidekick and friend, Wu Han. He escapes with "prisoner" Willie Scott, a famous American lounge singer, and his "adopted buddy," ten year old Short Round.

1935 -- After escaping a crashing airplane with Willie and Short Round, Indy ends up in India. There a small village forces him to save their sacred stone of Shiva as well as all their children, which has been stolen by a "civilized" and once abandoned palace. Once there Indy discovers they are really a large resurgence of the Thuggee cult that practices in gruesome human sacrifices. Indy saves the children and one of the three Shiva stones after his most disturbing adventure that included torture, drinking human blood, being brainwashed, British calvalry, etc. Indy also wins (and beds) Willie.

1936 -- Indy discovers an ancient Incan artifact after avoiding the most elaborate death traps he ever faced. It is then stolen from him by corrupt rival archeologist, the French Belloq.

1936 -- Indy is comissioned by the American government to find the Ark of the Covenant, before the Nazis do. With the Nazis having already finding the city it was buried under outside of Cairo, Indy enlists the help of old flame, Marion Ravenwood, and sidekick Sallah to do so. Indy escapes snake-filled Well of Souls with the Ark only to have it stolen by Belloq and the Nazis. Indy and Marion recover the Ark after it is opened by the Nazis and Belloq and the wrath of God swallows them whole. Indy loses the Ark to the American government but begins a relationship with Marion again.

1937 -- A week before their wedding, Indy walks out on Marion again. He unknowingly had impregnated Marion before doing so.

1938 -- Recovers the Cross of Coronado on the high seas and killed the gangster who had it.

1938 -- Races the Nazis again to find the Holy Grail. This time Indy is accompanied by his estranged father and Marcus, as well as Sallah. Indy loses the Grail at the end as God does not wish it to leave its temple (as well as the treacherous Dr. Elsa Schneider), but he develops a strong relationship with his father after 19 years of silence.

December 1941 -- Joins the US OSS to spy on the Nazis in France and later Germany.

1942 -- Meets MI6's Mac McHale who saves his life from the Nazis. The two become good friends.

1945 -- Indy and Mac become double agents and spy on the Soviets in Berlin during the first inklings of the Cold War.

1947 -- Driven by US government out into desert outside of Roswell and examines alien remains (though he cannot tell what they are).

1949 -- Discovers the Babylonian INfernal Machine with the help of the CIA, racing the Soviets. He also fights monsters, mystical creatures and island dwelling Japanese who do not know WWII ended.

1950 -- Recovers ancient Native American artifact from cliche American gangsters in Wyoming...with some help from the Blues.

1957 -- Is kidnapped by Soviets who break him into Area 51 to find alien remains. He is then betrayed by sidekick Mac over money. Indy escapes the Russians and a nuclear explosion. Due to his relationship with Mac, Indy is investigated by the FBI still under Hoover (and McCarthyism ideaology) who blacklist Col. Henry Jones and cost him his now tenured professor position.

1957 -- Joins Mutt on a quest to find the crystal skull that holds the secrets of El Dorado within and Mutt's kidnapped mother and father figure, Harold Oxley. Indy learns it was the Russian who did the kidnapping and that the skull is that of an alien's from 5,000 years ago. Indy also learns that Mutt is his son from Marion. Indy loses the skull (and Mac loses his life along with the Russians) to a flying saucer rising from ancient ruins, but Indy rekindles his relationship with Marion and finds a son in the process.

1957 -- Indy is reinstated as Assistant Dean at his university and marries Marion Ravenwood, finally.

What happens next? I dunno. Unless you count those TV show bookends that feature a cycloptic Indy in his 90s in the early 1990s. But it makes sense as it mentions he has a daughter who has her own children and is in her 50s, which obviously contradicts KOTCS. So it no longer counts.

You're missing "fate of atlantis" (1939) off that list (Its considered canon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Fate_of_Atlantis

[SFII]

thank god for nerds with nothing better to do than create Indiana Jones' timeline. :)

[Halloween]

I liked the movie, but it wasnt great. Gave it a 7 out of 10. I like the other 3 better though. Indy just looks too old. Definately had some good laughs. I enjoyed the action. Of course the alien plotline is a little too far fetched for me. I'll buy the DVD though for sure.

[OctaviousINC]

thank god for nerds with nothing better to do than create Indiana Jones' timeline. :)
It's been done numerous times, but here's the best one:


http://www.theraider.net/information/timeline/index.php

It belongs in a museum.

[Johnny Drama]

It's been done numerous times, but here's the best one:


http://www.theraider.net/information/timeline/index.php

It belongs in a museum.

Thats missing alot of info actually

[The Man of Steel]

Don't call me Jr, Dad. You should know better.

*slaps Indy across the face*

That's for talking back to me :mad:
Go to your Room Junior

[DACrowe]

thank god for nerds with nothing better to do than create Indiana Jones' timeline. :)

ouch.

It was a waste of 30 minutes of my time. But I suppose posting about various superhero movies "hype" aka marketing and arguing about existing ones merits would have been time better spent. :rolleyes:

[Ace Frehley]

Scenes that bugged me a bit at first are starting to grow on me more, the swinging scene in particular. Also the movie is just so much damn fun and hasn't gotten old or boring to me. At this point I can't wait to get my hands on the DVD and add it to my collection. Anyone else looking forward to getting all the movies on Blu-ray?

For sure, you know when and if a 4 movie blu-ray boxset is coming out?

[Downhere]

For sure, you know when and if a 4 movie blu-ray boxset is coming out?

No announcement as of yet.

[BloodyWolverine]

I am board cause all there is new this weekend is sex and the city and the stranger i guess every summer has there ho hum weekend. Will Indy be king a second weekend. If so what do you think it will make.

[DarknessOfDeath]

*slaps Indy across the face*

That's for talking back to me :mad:
Go to your Room Junior


*is slapped and puts his hand on the spot where he was slapped*

:mad::(

[Drizzle]

yeah... imagine a scene where he finds his motorcycle and ends up riding it in the Jungle? ... oh yay.
You know what would have been much better than the retarded monkey vine swinging scene? If the Russians detained Mutt's motorcycle and brought it with them in the jungle, thus bringing the bike into the jungle chase instead of the Tarzan scene.

[DarknessOfDeath]

That would have been a lot cooler than the swinging scene, but *shrugs* oh well, its just one little scene. Sure, its not the greatest scene ever, but a scene like that doesn't ruin the movie overall for me. Ignore it :o

[Knightsaber Priss]

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Last Crusade
3. Temple of Doom

Does this tell you how much I didn't like this movie? This guy really sums up what I think of the movie.

*Warning* There is some strong language in the videos so click at your own risk.*
http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/

[Rezzo]

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Last Crusade
3. Temple of Doom

Does this tell you how much I didn't like this movie?

Care to explain why you didn't like it?

[The Man of Steel]

*is slapped and puts his hand on the spot where he was slapped*

:mad::(

*pats Indy on the back*

It's alright Junior, It's alright

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Last Crusade
3. Temple of Doom

Does this tell you how much I didn't like this movie? This guy really sums up what I think of the movie.

:mad: and why is that?

[spideyboy_1111]

why do people who love the movie get pissed off when people don't like it? it was a mediocre film and for indy's return should have been much more epic imo...

[Rezzo]

why do people who love the movie get pissed off when people don't like it? it was a mediocre film and for indy's return should have been much more epic imo...

I don't see anyone bashing someone right now for not liking it, Dr. Jones and myself only asked Godzilla2000 if they'd like to explain why they didn't like it.

[Knightsaber Priss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTahE4oohd4

Care to explain why you didn't like it?

See my edit. The guy I posted a link to describes how I feel perfectly better than how I could describe it. Also click on the above link.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTahE4oohd4



See my edit. The guy I posted a link to describes how I feel perfectly better than how I could describe it. Also click on the above link.

agrees.. thats pretty much how i felt as well... good review :up:

[DX]

So, I finally got to see this today and I must say that it was pretty awesome.

It was great seeing Indy on the big screen. Some stuff was a little OTT but I had a lot of fun. I give it a 9. :up:

[Knightsaber Priss]

So, I finally got to see this today and I must say that it was pretty awesome.

It was great seeing Indy on the big screen. Some stuff was a little OTT but I had a lot of fun. I give it a 9. :up:

Why don't you just watch the real Indy movies instead with a nice home theater setup? How can you like those corny things like the Prairie Dogs, Shia Fonz impressions, a weak storyline that hasn't one iota of clarity? Really, people really tick me off with how they'll watch any money driven, spoonfed crap. I just wish very bad things on humanity in general when I read these sheep minded comments.

[cerealkiller182]

why is everyone so hung up on prairie dogs? Two minutes of footage and the whole movie goes down hill? Stop whining for the sake of whining

[SFII]

why is everyone so hung up on prairie dogs?
because it felt like a Geico commercial.

but i'm over it now.

[spideyboy_1111]

why is everyone so hung up on prairie dogs? Two minutes of footage and the whole movie goes down hill? Stop whining for the sake of whining

its not really whining persay... when you have several things that take you out of a movie... that's never a good thing.

-the prairie dogs
-atomic bomb fridge survival
-swinging monkeys
-tree branch land and flip
-etc...

all did that... sure the other previous movies had a few outlandish thing... but i really felt that in KOTCS these elements were far more cartoony. i felt the previous indy films were much more darker and just felt something was missing from KOTCS... i saw it for my second time last night, and while i left my brain at the door and enjoyed it a little more... i still feel the same about it

[cerealkiller182]

its not really whining persay... when you have several things that take you out of a movie... that's never a good thing.

-the prairie dogs
-atomic bomb fridge survival
-swinging monkeys
-tree branch land and flip
-etc...

all did that... sure the other previous movies had a few outlandish thing... but i really felt that in KOTCS these elements were far more cartoony. i felt the previous indy films were much more darker and just felt something was missing from KOTCS... i saw it for my second time last night, and while i left my brain at the door and enjoyed it a little more... i still feel the same about it

it is whining because it is such a trivial part of the whole film. i dont care if people dont like the movie, thats there opinion, but everyone seems to have something to say about prairie dogs like they even mattered in the long run.

[Captain Planet!]

You guys complain about the cheese, but look at Raiders. Plenty of cheese there, and they got betrayed by a friggin monkey.

[spideyboy_1111]

it is whining because it is such a trivial part of the whole film. i dont care if people dont like the movie, thats there opinion, but everyone seems to have something to say about prairie dogs like they even mattered in the long run.

when you strip away most the bad crap in any film the movie becomes good... not very filled with anything.. but a plot alone doesn't make the film work *yawn*

[spideyboy_1111]

You guys complain about the cheese, but look at Raiders. Plenty of cheese there, and they got betrayed by a friggin monkey.

*sigh.... at least it was a real monkey, and the level of cheese in KOTCS was far more then even any scene with Willie in it from TOD:o

[cerealkiller182]

when you strip away most the bad crap in any film the movie becomes good... not very filled with anything.. but a plot alone doesn't make the film work *yawn*

Im not saying theres nothing to complain about.But prairie dog *****ing is overkill,nitpicky, and the same nonsense the spawns characters like the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

[spideyboy_1111]

Im not saying theres nothing to complain about.But prairie dog *****ing is overkill,nitpicky, and the same nonsense the spawns characters like the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.


now if it was just just the prairie dogs... then i'd be perfectly fine... and i dont think anyone hated or disliked the movie just because of the prairie dogs, that imo would be VERY nitpicky... but since its a combo of many things and they add to that combo, then yeah i see nothing wrong with complaining about them as long as other things are mentioned as well.

[DACrowe]

agrees.. thats pretty much how i felt as well... good review :up:

His review was okay (albeit I disagree with what he said about TOD). However, he strikes me as one of them youngins' (realize I too am in the group who grew up with the movies ;) ) who has lived with these movies for so long he doesn't spot some of the stuff that makes them work.

He complains about too much comic relief and it being too over-the-top. Well I agree that the vine swinging for example didn't work, but *****ing about going off three waterfalls? That's a great Indy moment and he seems to forget in Raiders Indy survives some crazy **** like holding his breath underwater for an entire submarine ride and far be it from LC not having a sense of humor--the middle section of that movie almost turned into a comedy!

I agree the ending was anti-climactic and the skull should have been more menacing/mysterious, but I still feel some file these movies under "sacred cows" and nothing would live up to their hopes. It is a solid action/adventure movie that captures some of that old spunk of the series and has Indiana Jones perfectly updated into the 1950s and uses all of its supporting cast (minus probably Mac) very well.

But I think this is a case with unreachable expectations. It hurts when it isn't as good as its predecessors, but when it doesn't live up to the hype of being the best adventure movie of all time -- fans backlash. Ask Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi about that. And my bet is that TDK will not reach expectations and no matter how good it is, at least 1/3 of the posts on those board will be negative and even moreso for part 3, judging by history.

[DACrowe]

P.S. what is so awful about prarie dogs. They're barely noticeable CGI (I only noticed it when I first saw them because of all the whining on the internet). And they did not take away from their scenes but added some nice bits of humor.

[Octoberist]

again, it seems like Temple of Doom kinda gets picked on but it's based on the age demographic. again, TOD is my favorite Indy film, and I realize how some may not like it as much as the other two. However, I do have to say that at least TOD had that INDY authenticity and vibe (a little darker) that Kingdom kinda lacked.

I agree, however, that Kingdom is above average..

[GhostPoet]

P.S. what is so awful about prarie dogs. They're barely noticeable CGI (I only noticed it when I first saw them because of all the whining on the internet). And they did not take away from their scenes but added some nice bits of humor.

Agreed. The only part of the movie I didn't like was the vine swinging. That was literally the only scene I didn't enjoy.

[Octoberist]

P.S. what is so awful about prarie dogs. They're barely noticeable CGI (I only noticed it when I first saw them because of all the whining on the internet). And they did not take away from their scenes but added some nice bits of humor.

but they were not very funny. by the third time, i was like "okay...funny haha..no".

[DX]

Why don't you just watch the real Indy movies instead with a nice home theater setup? How can you like those corny things like the Prairie Dogs, Shia Fonz impressions, a weak storyline that hasn't one iota of clarity? Really, people really tick me off with how they'll watch any money driven, spoonfed crap. I just wish very bad things on humanity in general when I read these sheep minded comments.
Sorry, but no. I didn't like it because I'm sheep minded...I liked it because, well, I liked it...:whatever:

[xwolverine2]

P.S. what is so awful about prarie dogs. They're barely noticeable CGI (I only noticed it when I first saw them because of all the whining on the internet). And they did not take away from their scenes but added some nice bits of humor.

...what prairie dogs???:huh:

[Cagefighterkip]

im seeing it w/a couple friends in half an hour... third time for me...

[BMM]

...what prairie dogs???:huh:

The ones shown at the beginning of the movie.

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think the conclusion that Spielberg sold out and made this for money instead of trying to make a good movie.

Spielberg and crew tried to do something different while trying to keep it familiar.

They used cold war propaganda. It takes place in the 50s not the 30s.

They used aliens instead of magic. They took inspiration from new sources.

They used CGI. Spielberg always uses the best techniques of the time. If their was good CGI at the time Raiders would have it.

But Ford fell into Indy like second nature. He added Marion. Indy himself had progressed as a person what with saying to be a good archaeologist you have to get out of the library.

I understand if you dont like it. I recognize objectivity, but to say Spielberg sold out just because you didnt like it is absurd. Spielberg and Lucas tried to make something that was different rather than a carbon copy of Raiders. He may have missed the mark, but he shouldnt be damned for it.

[Handsome Rob]

I gave it a 7. It was a good, fun trip down memory lane.

My least favorite one of the series, absolutely, but still enjoyable.

[spideyboy_1111]

His review was okay (albeit I disagree with what he said about TOD). However, he strikes me as one of them youngins' (realize I too am in the group who grew up with the movies ;) ) who has lived with these movies for so long he doesn't spot some of the stuff that makes them work.

He complains about too much comic relief and it being too over-the-top. Well I agree that the vine swinging for example didn't work, but *****ing about going off three waterfalls? That's a great Indy moment and he seems to forget in Raiders Indy survives some crazy **** like holding his breath underwater for an entire submarine ride and far be it from LC not having a sense of humor--the middle section of that movie almost turned into a comedy!

I agree the ending was anti-climactic and the skull should have been more menacing/mysterious, but I still feel some file these movies under "sacred cows" and nothing would live up to their hopes. It is a solid action/adventure movie that captures some of that old spunk of the series and has Indiana Jones perfectly updated into the 1950s and uses all of its supporting cast (minus probably Mac) very well.

But I think this is a case with unreachable expectations. It hurts when it isn't as good as its predecessors, but when it doesn't live up to the hype of being the best adventure movie of all time -- fans backlash. Ask Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi about that. And my bet is that TDK will not reach expectations and no matter how good it is, at least 1/3 of the posts on those board will be negative and even moreso for part 3, judging by history.

ya i loved TOD and the water fall scenes i felt were very true to the indy movies, i disagreed with his remarks on that as well.

spidey 3 sucked plain and simple as did superman returns. I knew people who worked on spider-man 3, and all cringed in certain scenes... it was a huge let down for dumb reasons... X3 was better then spidey 3... but still a huge let down (i'd file indy 4 just above that) it wasn't a bad flick, just a disappointment. Superman returns just plain sucked. those comparisons arn't very accurate imo... i don't think indy was really anywhere near those. And personally i think TDK is similar to X2... where its the characters we like, but in a all new story, so i find it hard to be that let down, yet fanboys will find a way to be...

[The Guard]

The waterfalls were classic. Ford's acting in that sequence, his tone of voice, was just priceless.

And so the movie was made to make money. So what? Why ELSE does Hollywood make movies? Why else were the originals made? The fact is, an Indiana Jones movie was made. Money shouldn't enter into it. Whether it's a good or a bad movie should be the issue.

[Rezzo]

Anyone else wish there were more scenes involved in the river?

[jimslimbo]

Since ben burtt returned to do the sound for the film. Could someone explain to be how was the sound. How creative was it? How was the surround usage? How much did the theater shake with subwoffer acton?

thanks

[The Man of Steel]

Anyone else wish there were more scenes involved in the river?
I Do :(

[spideyboy_1111]

I Do :(

ditto... take out the jungle jeep chace and replace it with being on the river in boats...

[DACrowe]

but they were not very funny. by the third time, i was like "okay...funny haha..no".

Both audiences I saw it with thought so. In fact the only hatred I see for it is online where fanboys want their heroes to be "dark and serious. It should be mature and rated R with lots of blood..." blah blah blah. I'm not saying you are saying that, but I won't be surprised if people start coming out and saying "Replace Speilberg, he doesn't get Indiana Jones" and "They should reboot it and make it darker, like what Nolan did!"

You think not? Give the fanboys time and it will come.

[spideyboy_1111]

Both audiences I saw it with thought so. In fact the only hatred I see for it is online where fanboys want their heroes to be "dark and serious. It should be mature and rated R with lots of blood..." blah blah blah. I'm not saying you are saying that, but I won't be surprised if people start coming out and saying "Replace Speilberg, he doesn't get Indiana Jones" and "They should reboot it and make it darker, like what Nolan did!"

You think not? Give the fanboys time and it will come.

lol just because it's funny doesnt mean it should be in there :-P... alot of people laughed at the saturday night fever peter... thought it was funny. did they think it was good? no... lol

[DACrowe]

ya i loved TOD and the water fall scenes i felt were very true to the indy movies, i disagreed with his remarks on that as well.

spidey 3 sucked plain and simple as did superman returns. I knew people who worked on spider-man 3, and all cringed in certain scenes... it was a huge let down for dumb reasons... X3 was better then spidey 3... but still a huge let down (i'd file indy 4 just above that) it wasn't a bad flick, just a disappointment. Superman returns just plain sucked. those comparisons arn't very accurate imo... i don't think indy was really anywhere near those. And personally i think TDK is similar to X2... where its the characters we like, but in a all new story, so i find it hard to be that let down, yet fanboys will find a way to be...

I'm not going to turn this into a Spidey debate, but I'll say the backlash to SM3 was greater than whatever flaws (real or perceived) that the movie had. It was a reaction to a huge marketing campaign that sold it as a religious experience and it turned out to be an average superhero movie (that did have its good points and is far superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY to X3, IMO) and they acted like Raimi raped their mother and burned down their homes.

That was the backlash I am talking about. That is what is happening to Indy and one day it will happen to Nolan as no fanboy director/writer has not been turned on by the rabid masses who worship their previous work in the long run, that I have seen anyway.

[DACrowe]

lol just because it's funny doesnt mean it should be in there :-P... alot of people laughed at the saturday night fever peter... thought it was funny. did they think it was good? no... lol

Never said it did, but my last 3-5 posts have been about nitpicking and overreaction in the fan community to the point where it is beyond the caricature of comic book guy in the Simpsons show.

[Geo7877]

I'm not going to turn this into a Spidey debate, but I'll say the backlash to SM3 was greater than whatever flaws (real or perceived) that the movie had. It was a reaction to a huge marketing campaign that sold it as a religious experience and it turned out to be an average superhero movie (that did have its good points and is far superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY to X3, IMO) and they acted like Raimi raped their mother and burned down their homes.


...or maybe Spider-man 3 just wasn't that great. Especially after the phenomenal S-M 2.

[Ace Frehley]

I'm not going to turn this into a Spidey debate, but I'll say the backlash to SM3 was greater than whatever flaws (real or perceived) that the movie had. It was a reaction to a huge marketing campaign that sold it as a religious experience and it turned out to be an average superhero movie (that did have its good points and is far superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY to X3, IMO) and they acted like Raimi raped their mother and burned down their homes.

That was the backlash I am talking about. That is what is happening to Indy and one day it will happen to Nolan as no fanboy director/writer has not been turned on by the rabid masses who worship their previous work in the long run, that I have seen anyway.

Wrong

[Bim]

ditto... take out the jungle jeep chace and replace it with being on the river in boats...
Noooo! i liked the jungle jeep chase

[Neto Magnus]

ok so I just watch all 4 Indy's in a row. I only saw the first one when I was a kid but never saw Indy 2 and 3 til now. But my god, Temple of Doom has got to be the worst Spielberg movie ever. I really hated every minute of it. The new one wasn't that bad but imo it was unnecessary just like Die hard 4, Rambo 4 and Rocky 6. I'm really sick of sequels more than ever now. With movies like X2 and Spidey 2 I had some hopes for sequels but enough is enough.

btw, I no Sean Connery retired from acting but why was his character dead in Indy 4? Wasn't he supposed to be immortal?

[Geo7877]

ok so I just watch all 4 Indy's in a row. I only saw the first one when I was a kid but never saw Indy 2 and 3 til now. But my god, Temple of Doom has got to be the worst Spielberg movie ever. I really hated every minute of it. The new one wasn't that bad but imo it was unnecessary just like Die hard 4, Rambo 4 and Rocky 6. I'm really sick of sequels more than ever now. With movies like X2 and Spidey 2 I had some hopes for sequels but enough is enough.

btw, I no Sean Connery retired from acting but why was his character dead in Indy 4? Wasn't he supposed to be immortal?

When the grail crossed the seal, the immortality was taken.

Temple of Doom is a fantastic movie imo. The second best Indy movie, right behind Raiders.

[Neto Magnus]

When the grail crossed the seal, the immortality was taken.

Temple of Doom is a fantastic movie imo. The second best Indy movie, right behind Raiders.

Oh I guess I missed that.

I dunno maybe had I seen Temple of Doom when I was a kid then things might be different. I'm half Asian so kids used to call me short round back in the 80s. I never knew what they meant til now. :( But that kid and the white lady completely ruined the movie. Oh and the cheap production design.

[Rezzo]

Noooo! i liked the jungle jeep chase

Only problem I really had with it that sequence was the sword fight that eventually leads to the swinging scene, but I absolutely loved how it started of with Indy.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Oh I guess I missed that.

I dunno maybe had I seen Temple of Doom when I was a kid then things might be different. I'm half Asian so kids used to call me short round back in the 80s. I never knew what they meant til now. :( But that kid and the white lady completely ruined the movie. Oh and the cheap production design.

oh man. :( They're like the only two people Indy trusted during the adventure. If it weren't for Short Round bringing Indy back to the light side, he, along with Willie would have been dead for all eternity in hell. I felt Temple of Doom was dark and it was interesting that Harrison Ford was capable to explore Indy's dark side. That was very different and I thought he did a great job. Theres no denying the darkness within yourself especially when you were out seeking fortune and glory but in the end, it gave a totally different perspective on Indy as a whole...once he realized and understood the "stone's" power at the end after he returned the one stone back to the tribe. "Yes...I understand its power." but in the other two, he's not seeking 'fortune' and 'glory.

Plus Willie was meant to be annoying which I found always enjoyable everytime I watch TOD. I like the friendship between Indy and Short Round especially since how much shorty looks up to Indy. I :heart: the scene when they hug and Indy apologizes to him for hitting him even though he didn't mean to hurt him.

Plus Short round tried to stop the gaurd from pouring the blood down Indy's throat.

like I said, he tried even though he failed in attempt to save the one man he looked up to as a father figure and that one man alone, is Indiana Jones.

wow...ok. I never realized how much I love Indiana Jones until now. :indy: