Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Nakon]

Awesome :up:
I Supose you can live then:woot:Oh man. I gotta be prepared to come through here. :bh: :oldrazz:

[DarknessOfDeath]

... back from BK...

i shouldn't have had that Mocha

[danoyse]

Then there's the fridge business. I've seen some ridiculous things in Indiana Jones movies before, but this was by far the most ridiculous. Again, I can understand if he got in the fridge, the atomic blast hit, and all that was left amidst the rubble of and destruction was the firdge..and Indy stumbled out. But no. He hid in the fridge and it literally flew thousands of feet, being smashed around and hitting everything on the way down, including the bad guys. The, it smashed into the rocks and rolled around some more, and Indy popped out and walked away, unscathed. What kind of fridge was this? Yes, it was line with lead, but was it padded with some revolutionary, soft, protective material? It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

It was probably made by the same company who made that life raft that Indy jumped out of a plane, slid down the side of a mountain, then flew off of a cliff in during Temple of Doom. :cwink:

[spideyboy_1111]

It was probably made by the same company who made that life raft that Indy jumped out of a plane, slid down the side of a mountain, then flew off of a cliff in during Temple of Doom. :cwink:

tested and passed on myth busters i believe :up::o

[theShape]

It was probably made by the same company who made that life raft that Indy jumped out of a plane, slid down the side of a mountain, then flew off of a cliff in during Temple of Doom. :cwink:

Even THAT is less ridiculous than the fridge scenario.

[spideyboy_1111]

plus a nuke is a friggin nuke.. not to mention if u actually watch TOD the fall wasnt really that far down *yawn*

[Paste Pot Pete]

The fridge bit was ridiculously funny and over-the-top.

If it really bothers you, you're taking a movie like Indiana Jones way too seriously.

And Spalko = Hot.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'd tap her ass...

I never realized how hawt Cate was until now... I mean I liked her in LOTR and such but this one made me really really like her.

[SFII]

My dad got one at Disneyland in California last month. The Indiana Jones ride there is awesome. :up:

This is what I got:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/JenM512/P5240597.jpg

:woot:
aw shoot! i wanna get one of those for my niece! :D

[turtlefocker]

I just went to the "nuke the fridge" site and looked at their reviews. I gathered they'd hate Indy so I read his review for The Strangers. Okay, this guy simply has no idea whatsoever about what horror is or should be.

I mean I haven't seen it and the Strangers may indeed be trash. But he thinks horror should be simple escapism that you don't feel connected to and can feel safe and smug walking away with "good triumphing over evil." Well that could explain why he disliked Funny Games which was the deconstruction of the American horror formula into something very uncomfortable, uncomforting and psychologically brutal to its audience to make a point.

But that isn't why I felt the need to type this. He then says "what happened to the old days with...Halloween?" He then has an elaborate paragraph describing why he thinks Halloween is a success. He is partially right, it developed Laurie Strode and her friends for a full hour before the mayhem started, making the actual killings sad, pointless and incredibly suspensful (at least for the first few times you watch it).

But his argument is The Strangers isn't htis because it is "too realistic" that a stranger can come into your house and kill you at anytime and that we should be afraid because it could happen to us. Did he not get the whole ****ing point of the original John Carptenter classic? The reason the movie was so chilling is because Michael Myers HAD NO REASON to kill them. He was this little boy who suffered from the banality of evil who one day butchered his sister before he hit puberty. He escapes 20 years later to randomly (as the original film presented the concept) stalk three teenage girls in high school. He mehtodically follows them, tortures them and kills them. It is quite disturbing and at the end despite Loomis saving Laurie and the kids, Michael or "the Shape" who is more the personification of evil than an actual person -- gets away. The final shots are of a simple empty American house with the lights off. It could be your house and "Michael" could be lurking there at any time. And if you don't keep an eye out like Laurie's friends failed to do, you may be next.

That is why Halloween is so good. This was a long off-topic rant, but I'll bring it back full circle. The type of people who can't let go of their hate for Indiana Jones IV and make websites about it and bashing AICN are the type of people who don't understand the movies they LIKE.

Great Post

:yay:

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/


Take a look and view the video.

Harrison Ford TV Public Service Announcements on Wildlife Trafficking (http://www.wildaid.org/index.asp?CID=8&PID=66&SUBID=&TERID=339)

[The Man of Steel]

nice :up:

[nocomics]

Saw this movie today,well half of it at least. Sorry,but this was so,so boring I left halfway thru it...Maybe it was the reviews I've read saying it was so-so,and my mood not really wanting to go,but did anyways...
Not gonna bash it too much,but the premise was ugh,bad imo...I did'nt think they thought the plot thru,and it was just thrown together....:o
anywho,maybe it will be a better DvD movie than on big screen.....

[Bim]

http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/

Take a look and view the video.cki
Cool :woot:

Too bad you didnt watch all of it, nocomics...

[chaseter]

For those still whining about the fridge scene...take a look back in history. They actually sold lead lined fridges as a means of protection during the cold war as everyone was scared of a nuclear attack. This is the time of bomb shelters, lead lined vaults, and underground bunkers to protect men...but the average Joe wouldn't have access to that stuff so they sold the lead fridges. Sure it was a bit over the top. But, when did George and Steve sit down and try to make these movies as realistic as possible? I am sure if and when Mythbusters test this that it could be plausible due to the fact that you can spread out your limbs to stabilize yourself while being jolted around. People have survived falling off waterfalls in barrels and some people have even survived falling out of planes thousands of feet in the air (yes look it up). If someone wants to challenge the physics, go back and watch the cart race in TOD. It is Indiana Jones, quit whining.

But I do hate the monkeys as it has nothing to do with well...nothing.

[theShape]

For those still whining about the fridge scene...take a look back in history. They actually sold lead lined fridges as a means of protection during the cold war as everyone was scared of a nuclear attack. This is the time of bomb shelters, lead lined vaults, and underground bunkers to protect men...but the average Joe wouldn't have access to that stuff so they sold the lead fridges. Sure it was a bit over the top. But, when did George and Steve sit down and try to make these movies as realistic as possible?

Yes, the fridge was lined with lead and may have helped Indy survive the atomic bomb. HOWEVER, the fridge was then propelled hundreds of feet into the air, hitting everything in its path on the way down, including the bad guys, and the landed in the rocks....HARD. I'm not saying that Lucas and Spielberg are trying to make things as realistic as possible. But this seemed like they were trying to make things as ridiculous as possible. How can you say that was a "bit" over the top?

I am sure if and when Mythbusters test this that it could be plausible due to the fact that you can spread out your limbs to stabilize yourself while being jolted around. People have survived falling off waterfalls in barrels and some people have even survived falling out of planes thousands of feet in the air (yes look it up). If someone wants to challenge the physics, go back and watch the cart race in TOD. It is Indiana Jones, quit whining.


"Jolted around"? The man would have died in that fridge, or he would have at least been seriously injured. There's no doubting this. It's fact. If the blast didn't kill him because the fridge was lined with lead, then he would have definitely gotten hurt from the landing alone. Look at it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q458wBAELE0&feature=related -- pure ridiculousness. I love plenty of the over-the-top, implausible action in the Indy movies, but this was too much. The "It's Indiana Jones!" defense doesn't work here.

[TNC9852002]

I'm sorry. I have little respect for people that walk out during the middle of a movie...It's just morally disturbing to me.

-TNC

[cerealkiller182]

"Jolted around"? The man would have died in that fridge, or he would have at least been seriously injured. There's no doubting this. It's fact. If the blast didn't kill him because the fridge was lined with lead, then he would have definitely gotten hurt from the landing alone. Look at it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q458wBAELE0&feature=related -- pure ridiculousness. I love plenty of the over-the-top, implausible action in the Indy movies, but this was too much. The "It's Indiana Jones!" defense doesn't work here.

Why? Because you said so? That seems to be everyones case against it, "Because i said its stupid." It gets to the point where its not even about Indiana Jones anymore, and becomes "Its just a movie, its not real."

I think its about time we all just move on. When people starting coining terms that will never be used outside of message boards, its time to stop. (seriously, "pwned" is so ****ing annoying, lets not repeat)

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm sorry. I have little respect for people that walk out during the middle of a movie...It's just morally disturbing to me.

-TNCi know right.

I especially hate when they asked how the movie ends then.

I be like well you should have stayed and watched it then!

[DACrowe]

Thanks. ;)



Great Post

:yay:

[DACrowe]

BTW I like how people have taken one intentionally silly scene they did not like (the refrigerator bit) and have made it much bigger than the actual movie in terms of their hate for it. The anger and effort put into bashing that 15 seconds is ridiculous. ;rolleyes:

[chaseter]

Yes, the fridge was lined with lead and may have helped Indy survive the atomic bomb. HOWEVER, the fridge was then propelled hundreds of feet into the air, hitting everything in its path on the way down, including the bad guys, and the landed in the rocks....HARD. I'm not saying that Lucas and Spielberg are trying to make things as realistic as possible. But this seemed like they were trying to make things as ridiculous as possible. How can you say that was a "bit" over the top?
Did you not read what I said:huh: People can survive being tossed or dropping from hundreds, even thousands of feet and people have even survived falling out of planes with no parachute:wow:. It was just luck and it was Indiana Jones. Look in Crusade, the ignition of the gas in the sewers would have caused an explosion:o Look in TOD, the odds of surviving from a raft are slim to none...it can happen but it required luck. Look also in TOD, carts going that fast could not handle turns seeing as the wheels were not locked onto the tracks...they were just sitting on top. Also, why would someone construct a mining track like a roller coaster ride:o This is an Indiana Jones movie, you want realistic...go watch National Treasure.



"Jolted around"? The man would have died in that fridge, or he would have at least been seriously injured. There's no doubting this. It's fact. If the blast didn't kill him because the fridge was lined with lead, then he would have definitely gotten hurt from the landing alone. Look at it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q458wBAELE0&feature=related -- pure ridiculousness. I love plenty of the over-the-top, implausible action in the Indy movies, but this was too much. The "It's Indiana Jones!" defense doesn't work here.
Read the above.

[chaseter]

i know right.

I especially hate when they asked how the movie ends then.

I be like well you should have stayed and watched it then!
Who pays to watch a movie and leaves:huh: I can understand being mad or dissapointed but spending nearly 10 bucks and just leaving is dumb IMO:o
BTW I like how people have taken one intentionally silly scene they did not like (the refrigerator bit) and have made it much bigger than the actual movie in terms of their hate for it. The anger and effort put into bashing that 15 seconds is ridiculous. ;rolleyes:
Yes it is:o Basing every argument off of one or two 15 second scenes and calling the whole movie lame, dumb, stupid, unrealisitc, etc...etc...is assanine. Voting a 1 for a movie is also assanine. Sure a 10/10 is pushing it but a 1/10 is childish:o

[The Apatow Crew]

Who pays to watch a movie and leaves:huh: I can understand being mad or dissapointed but spending nearly 10 bucks and just leaving is dumb IMO:oI know i never leave a movie. Ever!

[DarknessOfDeath]

I saw it three times already. :D

[chaseter]

I know i never leave a movie. Ever!
My little brother wanted to see Ultra Violet and so I took him and man did that movie suck hardcore. We both stayed but just laughed at it.

[The Apatow Crew]

My little brother wanted to see Ultra Violet and so I took him and man did that movie suck hardcore. We both stayed but just laughed at it.When i saw Silent Hill in theaters i wanted to leave but i didn't. i think it just cause i had no sleep for over 24 hours.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wanted to leave "The Brave one" ... but couldn't cause my parents were with me at the time.

[bunk]

I left the last Pirates movie early. It was because my friends little nephew was getting sick from popcorn though. That was an unpleasant ride home.

[mr. peasant]

"Jolted around"? The man would have died in that fridge, or he would have at least been seriously injured. There's no doubting this. It's fact. If the blast didn't kill him because the fridge was lined with lead, then he would have definitely gotten hurt from the landing alone. Look at it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q458wBAELE0&feature=related -- pure ridiculousness. I love plenty of the over-the-top, implausible action in the Indy movies, but this was too much. The "It's Indiana Jones!" defense doesn't work here.

Actually, the more the fridge bounces around and get smashed up, the more likely it is for Indy to survive since it means that more of the energy is being spent and there'd be less energy transferred to the occupant inside. Had it just splatted on the ground, then it would've been deadlier. Plus, if you want to complain about the impossibility of the whole situation, there's much more worth griping about since he'd probably have suffered radiation sickness or been vaporized by the heat of the explosion.

However, the point remains that it was meant to be over-the-top and a set-up to get the final shot of Indy with the mushroom cloud in the background. You have to admit, that looked good. :D

[cerealkiller182]

Actually, the more the fridge bounces around and get smashed up, the more likely it is for Indy to survive since it means that more of the energy is being spent and there'd be less energy transferred to the occupant inside. Had it just splatted on the ground, then it would've been deadlier. Plus, if you want to complain about the impossibility of the whole situation, there's much more worth griping about since he'd probably have suffered radiation sickness or been vaporized by the heat of the explosion.

To be fair he suspended disbelief for that because of the lead-lining which is more than can be said about others

However, the point remains that it was meant to be over-the-top and a set-up to get the final shot of Indy with the mushroom cloud in the background. You have to admit, that looked good. :D

yeah it was

[블라스]

Jesus Christ, these people who are still ***ching about the fridge have no business going to see an Indiana Jones movie, or any other action/adventure movie for that matter.

[chaseter]

Jesus Christ, these people who are still ***ching about the fridge have no business going to see an Indiana Jones movie, or any other action/adventure movie for that matter.
Yet it is even more ironic and hypocritical that those people adore the first 3 which have the same amount of campy humor, over the top fights/events, and supernatural occurences yet tear down Kingdom.

[블라스]

It makes no sense, I know :(

[SFII]

remember in Last Crusade when the Nazi jet plane flies into the tunnel, and passes Indy and his dad in the car. i mean, come on.
enough with the *****ing about the fridge.

[spideyboy_1111]

i still don't get how people see the fridge scene as the "same amount" of campy as the previous films *yawn* a nuke is a nuke... pretty much the destroyer of everything... i'd love to see pics of nagasaki and nothing is standing but a bunch of led lined fridges

[블라스]

i still don't get how people see the fridge scene as the "same amount" of campy as the previous films *yawn* a nuke is a nuke... pretty much the destroyer of everything... i'd love to see pics of nagasaki and nothing is standing but a bunch of led lined fridges

http://www.overman.info/OverGifs/RollsEyesComeback.gif

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://www.overman.info/OverGifs/RollsEyesComeback.gif

that is one big barfy smiley... *burps*

[블라스]

It should only be used for life or death situations :dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

sometimes the truth can be unsettling :o

look at it this way... believable or not.. it's quite obvious theres an abundance of people who have a problem with it and don't have a damn problem with any of the other past events.. and many have been huge indy fans.. and still call it ridiculous. So whether you have a problem with it or not, if this many people do... then theres something wrong, and it probably wasn't a smart thing to put in the film :o

[Majik1387]

The only people I've found had a problem with it are fanboys.

General public didn't seem to care and thought it was funny.

[Rezzo]

The only people I've found had a problem with it are fanboys.

That's usually how it goes. :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

I know.:cwink:

[Cagefighterkip]

indy 4 rocked, cant wait for indy 5. really hope it happens.

[spideyboy_1111]

The only people I've found had a problem with it are fanboys.

General public didn't seem to care and thought it was funny.

i heard alot of "what the?"

but i think most just ignore it because they A) are brain dead and think just because it was lead lined it answers all and B) if you ignore that part and pretend it didn't happen the rest is all indy fun

[Schlosser85]

I can understand being mad or dissapointed but spending nearly 10 bucks and just leaving is dumb IMO


GFT

I've never walked out of a movie in the theater. But I'm pretty selective about what I go see anyway.

[kedrell]

I was quite let down with this movie and I lay most of the blame squarely on Lucas and his digital fetish as well as his love affair with aliens.

[spideyboy_1111]

for the people who don't understand walking out.. you do know you can get your $ back right? so your not wasting anything but time

[Mr. Credible]

I was quite let down with this movie and I lay most of the blame squarely on Lucas and his digital fetish as well as his love affair with aliens.

word.

why spielberg let that toolbox boss him around i'll never know.

[cerealkiller182]

well yeah if you want to ***** at people who have nothing to do with the quality of the movie

[bunk]

I was quite let down with this movie and I lay most of the blame squarely on Lucas and his digital fetish as well as his love affair with aliens.


Your avatar/sig rock pretty hard.

[That'ssuper!]

They really should have done Excalibur.

[RockSP]

They really should have done Excalibur.

Was that something they were considering?

[nocomics]

I'm sorry. I have little respect for people that walk out during the middle of a movie...It's just morally disturbing to me.

-TNC
/sigh its morally wrong sitting thru a movie that blows imo..Why waste my time even more...I've walked out of movies before for sucking(solaris,pathfinder),and I'm sure it won't be the last...
No matter how u look at it its a waste of money either way. I'd rather just go do something else than sit thru a movie I find terrible..
Far as the respect thing, well my respect for Lucas/spielberg dropped a little after this debacle not sure what they were thinking...This movie just did'nt click imo,just felt like it was thrown together and pushed out the door....

[Cagefighterkip]

i almost never walk out of movies. the only ones i can think of are Pathfinder, Benchwarmers, Catwoman, Pirates 3 and Oceans 12 and Oceans 13. (keep in mind i see about 2 movies in theaters a week)

[Sam Fisher]

Why would you want to waste your money on Catwoman or Benchwarmers???:dry:


Indy 4 has some major flaws but overall it's a good movie. 7/10

[BloodyWolverine]

Pathfinder i thought was cool really just had no marketing what so ever and some people don't like Indian or battle movies.

[SFII]

i don't think "Indiana Jones" and "aliens" mix well. the enjoyable point of an Indiana Jones movie is that it strays away from that "Space" stuff. there's already too many sci-fi movies that are pumped in our faces. some good, some bad.
Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be a nice old-time action flick. and it works the best with "religious" type of artifacts that he chases after. the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, and to a lesser degree the voodoo rock crap. but UFOs? that's too technologically advanced for an Indiana Jones movie.
i would've preferred something with more earthly-based religious-themed supernatural powers. not some spaceman crap. that's a whole other movie.

[BloodyWolverine]

Think about the 50s and area 51 is a big thing then and teh story really does make since too me. Hitlar was after christian powerful artifacts and thats those connection. For INdy Speilberg wanted to use the myth of area 51 and the whole alien perhaps cover up.

[spideyboy_1111]

Think about the 50s and area 51 is a big thing then and teh story really does make since too me. Hitlar was after christian powerful artifacts and thats those connection. For INdy Speilberg wanted to use the myth of area 51 and the whole alien perhaps cover up.

again... everyone brings this up... just because a theme happened in a certain genre doesn't mean it needs to be in an indy movie.. i dont see whats wrong with keeping all the indy movies based on nothing but 30's and 40's adventure serials, rather then expanding them.. what's next? indy in the 60's battling a mutation into a mutant due to being too close to the atomic bomb? theres some things that fit, somethings that don't and some things that are just meh... sorta works but coulda been better. this was exactly that... it's a bit to out there from what it could have been.

[블라스]

I can't be the only one who gets what Spielberg tried to do with this :confused:

Red scare, commies, Area 51, UFO conspiracies....all big things in the 50's.

Come on, let's be more open minded :dry:

Or not, whatever, I don't care, I loved the movie :o

[spideyboy_1111]

o i'm not saying i don't get it... cuz i completely do. i just don't think that kind of sci-fi needs to be in an indy movie

[블라스]

Huh...:huh:
Well, fair enough :up:

[spideyboy_1111]

why huh? aliens tend to be thrown in with "high-tech" and futuristic stuff to me... that kind of science fiction i don't feel meshes well with indy... it's too "sciencey" if that makes sense?

[블라스]

I can see where you're coming from, my "huh" was because I guess I just see things in a different way.
I totally dig the concept of aliens coming to Earth to build the pyramids and contacting ancient civilizations and all that stuff that has been mentioned by everyone from scientists to conspiracy nuts.
It just seems so cool and mysterious to me, so I loved what Spielberg and co. did with it.

[spideyboy_1111]

I can see where you're coming from, my "huh" was because I guess I just see things in a different way.
I totally dig the concept of aliens coming to Earth to build the pyramids and contacting ancient civilizations and all that stuff that has been mentioned by everyone from scientists to conspiracy nuts.
It just seems so cool and mysterious to me, so I loved what Spielberg and co. did with it.

see im fine with the whole story of them teaching the myans.. i just felt that it still should have more of an accurate historical feel... i felt the skull should have been more based of the hedges skull.. rather then alien shaped. and have it more about power then the aliens. i felt the aliens shouldn't of even been revealed till the end. and definately not come to life.

[The_Vision]

I can't be the only one who gets what Spielberg tried to do with this :confused:

Red scare, commies, Area 51, UFO conspiracies....all big things in the 50's.

Come on, let's be more open minded :dry:

Or not, whatever, I don't care, I loved the movie :o

I completely agree :)

[X-Maniac]

see im fine with the whole story of them teaching the myans.. i just felt that it still should have more of an accurate historical feel... i felt the skull should have been more based of the hedges skull.. rather then alien shaped. and have it more about power then the aliens. i felt the aliens shouldn't of even been revealed till the end. and definately not come to life.


I kind of agree. I didn't want to see an actual living alien, it just took it a step too far.

But I did think this movie was terrific entertainment. My review for my newspaper blog is here:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/05/indy-review.html

...and my local archaeology professor spoke about it here (dismissing the movies as myth and entirely unrelated to reality):

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/06/fact-vs-fantasy-a-reallife-ind.html

[Bim]

I can't be the only one who gets what Spielberg tried to do with this :confused:

Red scare, commies, Area 51, UFO conspiracies....all big things in the 50's.

Come on, let's be more open minded :dry:

Or not, whatever, I don't care, I loved the movie :o
:hehe: ur not alone, dont worry.

I dont get why the alien twist bugs some. Personally, i thought it was inevitable as soon as i saw "Area 51" and the timeline that the movie was taking place in. I liked the alien twist, and i found it interesting how it was portrayed in the movie, as interdimensional beings and not little green men from outer space :yay:

[BloodyWolverine]

Um Indy was never about future SCi-Fi stuff. Indy was a relic hunter that took place in real times and Indy theme is what ever was happening in that period of time. No one is picking on the Nazi's but put in Area 51 and its not an Indy film. It is no diffreant then the other movies except for better written stories. Its Indiana Jones just he is in a stage of alien consperacy and government developments. You gotta see its a matter of the times here. If not then i am sorry.

[RockSP]

i and it works the best with "religious" type of artifacts that he chases after. the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, and to a lesser degree the voodoo rock crap.

:huh: It wasn't Voodoo. But even if it was...why would it be "crap"? Christian and Jewish artifacts are okay but not other religions...?

[BloodyWolverine]

I agree there there are other ancient relics besides christian ones and believe me to people who believe them. they are as real and important as the holy grail.

[last_life]

You know what would have been cooler IMO?

A fortune telling artifact like the Cup of Jamshid or the Urim and Thummim.

:word:

[GhostPoet]

I can't be the only one who gets what Spielberg tried to do with this :confused:

Red scare, commies, Area 51, UFO conspiracies....all big things in the 50's.

Come on, let's be more open minded :dry:

Or not, whatever, I don't care, I loved the movie :o


Yup. I totally got what they went for and loved it. There is a HUGE difference between the 30's and the 50's in just about everyway...so of course it'll feel a little different...but on the other hand I still thought it felt like an Indy film and was fantastic.

[Hectorminator]

Yup. I totally got what they went for and loved it. There is a HUGE difference between the 30's and the 50's in just about everyway...so of course it'll feel a little different...but on the other hand I still thought it felt like an Indy film and was fantastic.

Indy is a character like Forrest Gump. He's in every significant historical moment that occurs during his lifetime. But the problem I think a lot of people had (myself included) was that just because it's 1957, doesn't mean Indiana Jones has to do EVERYTHING that might have been significant in 1957. Mostly surviving a nuclear bomb test. Granted, Indy did some pretty impossible things in all his previous movies, like jump out of a plane, escape numerous tombs, survive becoming poisoned, it still doesn't compare to being blown miles away in a fridge and surviving. This scene really challenged people to care about Indy's danger level later on in the movie, when we knew earlier that 65 year-old Indiana "nuked the fridge."

I wanted to love this movie, but it didn't have that grittiness from the classics. And it didn't have anything we haven't seen in movies recently.

[chaseter]

sometimes the truth can be unsettling :o

look at it this way... believable or not.. it's quite obvious theres an abundance of people who have a problem with it and don't have a damn problem with any of the other past events.. and many have been huge indy fans.. and still call it ridiculous. So whether you have a problem with it or not, if this many people do... then theres something wrong, and it probably wasn't a smart thing to put in the film :o
You don't hear about obese nerds complain today about the Death Star's firing beam as lasers will not merge onto one point without a condenser. So believable or not...it's quite obvious that the Death Star couldn't use that weapon:o What about Indy surviving a long @ss journey on submerged submarine? What about a guy pulling another's beating heart out and they still live? What about Indy pushing over an Egyptian statue that weighed 10 tons? Come on:whatever: This double standard is ridiculous.

[last_life]

Did you not read what I said:huh: People can survive being tossed or dropping from hundreds, even thousands of feet and people have even survived falling out of planes with no parachute:wow:. It was just luck and it was Indiana Jones. Look in Crusade, the ignition of the gas in the sewers would have caused an explosion:o Look in TOD, the odds of surviving from a raft are slim to none...it can happen but it required luck. Look also in TOD, carts going that fast could not handle turns seeing as the wheels were not locked onto the tracks...they were just sitting on top. Also, why would someone construct a mining track like a roller coaster ride:o This is an Indiana Jones movie, you want realistic...go watch National Treasure.




Read the above.

First off, I think you are confused on what it means to "survive" something. Those people who have lived after jumping out of a plane...did you ever seen the medical reports? They would be paralised from the waste or neck down, fractured every bone in their body, have major internal bleading and possibly brain damage. However, once put on life suport they are still alive. Thus they have "survived".

Survived =/= Unscathed

And the people who rode down Niagara, stop using them as excuses. The ones who survived were engineers who designed there pods and procedures to not drown or get injured during the fall plus water when fallen correctly offers better support than a hard rocky cliff side. Look up Houdini next time bucko.

The lead lined refrigerators are the same bi-product of the "duck and cover" method...it was invented to keep a paranoid society from breaking apart. A comfort blanket, they did not actually work. The only way to survive is to wait a maximum two weeks in and underground bunker fortified with hard/shock absorbent materials.

In fact, it would have been more believable if Indy happened to find a home made bunker in the test town. That would have been in character too, because Indy is skilled at looking for secret passages in the first place.

But overall, this whole thing is a bi-product of a new age of society that has grown up on science and skepticism. (Note I am not condemning it, in fact I support it.) You cannot show us stuff anymore, you have to at least explain it to us that would make sense in a believable way. Then we will accept the spectacle.

Its one of the reasons why the recent Batman and James Bond films are doing so well in the first place! :oldrazz:

[chaseter]

again... everyone brings this up... just because a theme happened in a certain genre doesn't mean it needs to be in an indy movie.. i dont see whats wrong with keeping all the indy movies based on nothing but 30's and 40's adventure serials, rather then expanding them.. what's next? indy in the 60's battling a mutation into a mutant due to being too close to the atomic bomb? theres some things that fit, somethings that don't and some things that are just meh... sorta works but coulda been better. this was exactly that... it's a bit to out there from what it could have been.
Yea...we can keep these movies in the 40's as long as nobody pays attention to his age:whatever: Better yet, recast him...everyone will love it:whatever:

[chaseter]

First off, I think you are confused on what it means to "survive" something. Those people who have lived after jumping out of a plane...did you ever seen the medical reports? They would be paralised from the waste or neck down, fractured every bone in their body, have major internal bleading and possibly brain damage. However, once put on life suport they are still alive. Thus they have "survived".

Survived =/= Unscathed

And the people who rode down Niagara, stop using them as excuses. The ones who survived were engineers who designed there pods and procedures to not drown or get injured during the fall plus water when fallen correctly offers better support than a hard rocky cliff side. Look up Houdini next time bucko.

The lead lined refrigerators are the same bi-product of the "duck and cover" method...it was invented to keep a paranoid society from breaking apart. A comfort blanket, they did not actually work. The only way to survive is to wait a maximum two weeks in and underground bunker fortified with hard/shock absorbent materials.

In fact, it would have been more believable if Indy happened to find a home made bunker in the test town. That would have been in character too, because Indy is skilled at looking for secret passages in the first place.

But overall, this whole thing is a bi-product of a new age of society that has grown up on science. (Note I am not condemning it, in fact I support it.) You cannot show us stuff anymore, you have to at least explain it to us that would make sense in a believable way. Then we will accept the spectacle.

Its one of the reasons why the recent Batman and James Bond films are doing so well in the first place! :oldrazz:
There was actually a gunner pilot in WWI or WWII that survived a 5000 foot fall or so. He was a gunner and they didn't have parachutes due to the confined space. His plane was shot down, the pilot bailed and having no parachute, he jumped anyways. He fell and hit a snow bank and walked away:wow: Sure others have had life changing injuries but that is still nothing to cough at as they survived. Indy was bruised and disoriented after his ordeal.

I am not saying that in a real life situation, someone would survive this. But this is an Indiana Jones movie for f-k's sake:o

As for the fridges...no sh** they wouldn't have worked but we were never nucked to try them out personally now were we:huh: You can be the first:o

If you want to dissect the physics, probabilities, and experimental data to 100% prove that this event could never happen, then be my guest. While you are at it, please explain the other 3 movies' events for me in a logical, scientific manner that can clarify why they happened. Thanks.

[spideyboy_1111]

Um Indy was never about future SCi-Fi stuff. Indy was a relic hunter that took place in real times and Indy theme is what ever was happening in that period of time. No one is picking on the Nazi's but put in Area 51 and its not an Indy film. It is no diffreant then the other movies except for better written stories. Its Indiana Jones just he is in a stage of alien consperacy and government developments. You gotta see its a matter of the times here. If not then i am sorry.

you do realize you just further proved my point. plus... how can you say "iny's theme was about whatever was happening in that period of time" you do realize the previous 3 movies were pretty much all in the same time frame right? :o so you can't really back that up with anything, its not valid proof since this is the first movie since the originals and has pretty much a 20 year gap

[spideyboy_1111]

Yea...we can keep these movies in the 40's as long as nobody pays attention to his age:whatever: Better yet, recast him...everyone will love it:whatever:

did i say that? no. Romancing the stone (while not a great movie) is a perfect example of a 30's serial being set in the 80's (i believe it was the 80's?) either way it was modern times. Yet it still had a very 30's adventure serial element to it. Just because a movie takes place decades before doesn't mean it has to be based off of adventure movies from that time frame either. :o

[Majik1387]

did i say that? no. Romancing the stone (while not a great movie) is a perfect example of a 30's serial being set in the 80's (i believe it was the 80's?) either way it was modern times. Yet it still had a very 30's adventure serial element to it. Just because a movie takes place decades before doesn't mean it has to be based off of adventure movies from that time frame either. :o
But the Indy movies have always been made that way.:huh:

[cerealkiller182]

and your example is based in the time frame it was filmed, its a flawed example

[chaseter]

You know what would have been cooler IMO?

A fortune telling artifact like the Cup of Jamshid or the Urim and Thummim.

:word:
Now that is extremely interesting. Never heard of those but damn I am sure some Russians would love a fortune telling device. It would also be awesome for Indy or one of the gang to see their fortune as in a horrible demise.

[spideyboy_1111]

You don't hear about obese nerds complain today about the Death Star's firing beam as lasers will not merge onto one point without a condenser. So believable or not...it's quite obvious that the Death Star couldn't use that weapon:o What about Indy surviving a long @ss journey on submerged submarine? What about a guy pulling another's beating heart out and they still live? What about Indy pushing over an Egyptian statue that weighed 10 tons? Come on:whatever: This double standard is ridiculous.

dude... a nuke is a nuke.. the rest are very passable when 1 is mystic and the others we see in adventure/action movies every day and are VERY use to... bond and jackie chan have been doing stuff like that for decades. Surviving a nuke though? thats on a whole new level of the spectrum. You might as well have indy survive being dragged to the bottom of the ocean floor in the deepest part without being crushed to death from the pressure, or throw him in lava and have him walk out barely burned :o

[spideyboy_1111]

and your example is based in the time frame it was filmed, its a flawed example

based in that time frame yes.. but the feel of it and the story was all based off of a 30's adventure serial.. its the genre it'd fit in. did you see them dealing with all the events or themes of the 80's? no... so why would indy have to? Yet people say "indy has always done that" psh.. the first 3 movies all took place with only a couple years apart.................................. :o

[chaseter]

dude... a nuke is a nuke.. the rest are very passable when 1 is mystic and the others we see in adventure/action movies every day and are VERY use to... bond and jackie chan have been doing stuff like that for decades. Surviving a nuke though? thats on a whole new level of the spectrum. You might as well have indy survive being dragged to the bottom of the ocean floor in the deepest part without being crushed to death from the pressure, or throw him in lava and have him walk out barely burned :o
We have lasers and know how they work...just as much as we do if not more than the atomic bomb:huh: Do you really try to win an argument or are you just so fed up with this movie that you will try to poke a hole in it anywhere? I am not trying to be rude, I didn't think this movie was perfect, but your rebuttals (see others' responses to your Romancing the Stone) seem to be quick and without thought.

I would love to dig through decade old news prints of Nagasaki and Hiroshima to see if someone actually survived but alas I am too lazy.

[spideyboy_1111]

We have lasers and know how they work...just as much as we do if not more than the atomic bomb:huh: Do you really try to win an argument or are you just so fed up with this movie that you will try to poke a hole in it anywhere? I am not trying to be rude, I didn't think this movie was perfect, but your rebuttals (see others' responses to your Romancing the Stone) seem to be quick and without thought.

ok again fed up with this movie? no... the movie was good. not great, and no where near what it should have been. I never once said i did not enjoy the movie. Just because i complain about it doesn't mean i hate it. i gave the movie a 6.5 out of 10.... its above average.

and what the hell does "we have lasers and know how they work" have anything to do with surviving a nuke?

[cerealkiller182]

based in that time frame yes.. but the feel of it and the story was all based off of a 30's adventure serial.. its the genre it'd fit in. did you see them dealing with all the events or themes of the 80's? no... so why would indy have to? Yet people say "indy has always done that" psh.. the first 3 movies all took place with only a couple years apart.................................. :o

Romancing the Stone took place in the 80s but was inspired by 30s serials, so it works in the 80 but feels like the old serials.

Indiana Jones was based on 30s serials and took place in the 30s, so it was basically a 30s serial.

KOTCS was based on 50s serials and took place in the 50s, so it was basically a 50s serial

This is the forumla that you are implying. Your example doesnt work for you case.

[spideyboy_1111]

But the Indy movies have always been made that way.:huh:

see above posts. you can't really say "always" when the 3 movies were all in the same time frame

[chaseter]

and what the hell does "we have lasers and know how they work" have anything to do with surviving a nuke?
It has just as much to do as you saying that nobody could ever survive that and it doesn't belong in an Indy movie:o

[spideyboy_1111]

Romancing the Stone took place in the 80s but was inspired by 30s serials, so it works in the 80 but feels like the old serials.

Indiana Jones was based on 30s serials and took place in the 30s, so it was basically a 30s serial.

KOTCS was based on 50s serials and took place in the 50s, so it was basically a 50s serial

This is the forumla that you are implying. Your example doesnt work for you case.

actually it does...

I understand and know completely that KOTCS (for some stupid reason) was based on a 50's serial...

what i'm saying is why couldn't it of done exactly what Romancing the stone did.... and have it be based of a 30's serial.. but be in another decade? why couldnt Indy be a 30's serial set in the 50's? thus making it feel more like and indy movie, and making it connect better with the other 3? the whole fact it "feels different" is the fact all indy movies have been a 30's serial where this one is 20 years later and for some reason a 50's serial set in the 50's. i dont see why it could be a 30's serial set in the 50's like romancing the stone was a 30's serial set in the 80's.

[spideyboy_1111]

It has just as much to do as you saying that nobody could ever survive that and it doesn't belong in an Indy movie:o

what? where did lasers come from anyway? james bond? please.. like he hasn't been doing that forever... star wars? thats a bad example, now saying "explosions in space" that'd be a better example since fire can't happen. But surviving a friggin nuke is sooooooooo far fetch'd compared to anything in an indy movie... it's a nuke. you might as well have indy diced up into billions of pieces and be put back together. and come alive :o

[cerealkiller182]

actually it does...

I understand and know completely that KOTCS (for some stupid reason) was based on a 50's serial...

what i'm saying is why couldn't it of done exactly what Romancing the stone did.... and have it be based of a 30's serial.. but be in another decade? why couldnt Indy be a 30's serial set in the 50's? thus making it feel more like and indy movie, and making it connect better with the other 3? the whole fact it "feels different" is the fact all indy movies have been a 30's serial where this one is 20 years later and for some reason a 50's serial set in the 50's. i dont see why it could be a 30's serial set in the 50's like romancing the stone was a 30's serial set in the 80's.

It could have been definitely, but it wasnt. The 50s elements thus work, including nuke the fridge (which is what ithought we were arguing).

[chaseter]

I respect everybody's opinions on movies if they actually sit down, analyze the themes and meaning, and go to enjoy themselves. I have problems with this movie as well, 2 big ones, but I don't sit in a thread and b**** about the same thing over and over to try and poison other people's possible experiences for this movie. Not every plot detail, character nuance, event, etc...is explained in detail as to allow the patron to use his/her own imagination a bit as well. That dealt with my huge live alien problem. I still loathe Mutt and the monkeys but do I come in here every other day to profess my undying hate for that part and subsequently rate this movie a 2/10? No.

[spideyboy_1111]

It could have been definitely, but it wasnt. The 50s elements thus work, including nuke the fridge.

obviously they don't work if this many people have been complaining about it :o

[chaseter]

what? where did lasers come from anyway? james bond? please.. like he hasn't been doing that forever... star wars? thats a bad example, now saying "explosions in space" that'd be a better example since fire can't happen. But surviving a friggin nuke is sooooooooo far fetch'd compared to anything in an indy movie... it's a nuke. you might as well have indy diced up into billions of pieces and be put back together. and come alive :o
I was giving a good example from a hugely loved franchise (the original Star Wars trilogy) with huge flaws yet you don't see fanboys sitting in a thread b****ing about it:o Yes, explosions in space is another good example.

[cerealkiller182]

obviously they don't work if this many people have been complaining about it :o

Complaining about it over ignorance that it doesnt meet some sense of realism that has never been a big factor in Indiana Jones

[spideyboy_1111]

I respect everybody's opinions on movies if they actually sit down, analyze the themes and meaning, and go to enjoy themselves. I have problems with this movie as well, 2 big ones, but I don't sit in a thread and b**** about the same thing over and over to try and poison other people's possible experiences for this movie. Not every plot detail, character nuance, event, etc...is explained in detail as to allow the patron to use his/her own imagination a bit as well. That dealt with my huge live alien problem. I still loathe Mutt and the monkeys but do I come in here every other day to profess my undying hate for that part and subsequently rate this movie a 2/10? No.

i'm not tryin to "poison" anyone.. i have no agenda here other then to speak my feelings. And i have said some good things about the movie and joined in on interesting and intelligent conversations. i have just as much right to "still be here" as the people who loved it completely and have constantly spoke there love for it and the positives just as much as i've spoke about what i didn't like :o

[chaseter]

obviously they don't work if this many people have been complaining about it :o
You are the first I have heard or seen complaining about the 50's serial theme:o The only complaints largely voiced from this movie are the fridge, the Mutt swinging, the prairie dogs, and the alien.

[cerealkiller182]

I was giving a good example from a hugely loved franchise (the original Star Wars trilogy) with huge flaws yet you don't see fanboys sitting in a thread b****ing about it:o Yes, explosions in space is another good example.

:up: :oldrazz:

[spideyboy_1111]

Complaining about it over ignorance that it doesnt meet some sense of realism that has never been a big factor in Indiana Jones

it's not ignorance.. the only way it could be was not realizing it's a 50's serial... which i completely acknowledge :o

[chaseter]

i'm not tryin to "poison" anyone.. i have no agenda here other then to speak my feelings. And i have said some good things about the movie and joined in on interesting and intelligent conversations. i have just as much right to "still be here" as the people who loved it completely and have constantly spoke there love for it and the positives just as much as i've spoke about what i didn't like :o
Did I quote you? Did I mention your name? Did you rate it a 2/10?

I was not talking to you personally...only in general.

[Majik1387]

You are the first I have heard or seen complaining about the 50's serial theme:o The only complaints largely voiced from this movie are the fridge, the Mutt swinging, the prairie dogs, and the alien.
People complained about them?:dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

You are the first I have heard or seen complaining about the 50's serial theme:o The only complaints largely voiced from this movie are the fridge, the Mutt swinging, the prairie dogs, and the alien.

that's because alot of people are stil ignorant on the fact that it's a 50's serial. The part's that make up the 50's serial are the russians, aliens, and the nuke. No one complains about the russians.. but the other 2 very much so. They just state them rather then saying 50's serial because they don't know :cwink:

Were all complaining about the same things ;)

[cerealkiller182]

it's not ignorance.. the only way it could be was not realizing it's a 50's serial... which i completely acknowledge :o

Wait what?

Ignorance was probably a strong word, but you say you acknowledge the 50s serials yet still argue the fridge(i thought)

[chaseter]

:up: :oldrazz:
Oh, but it is ok for them to be in Star Wars but how dare Lucas (the same friggin creator) to do a nuked fridge.

[chaseter]

that's because alot of people are stil ignorant on the fact that it's a 50's serial. The part's that make up the 50's serial are the russians, aliens, and the nuke. No one complains about the russians.. but the other 2 very much so. They just state them rather then saying 50's serial because they don't know :cwink:

Were all complaining about the same things ;)
Ahhhh...I see a little better from your side now. I can understand gripes over the aliens and the nuke but we all know Indy can't keep fighting the Germans and I think the Russians were a fresh way to go. Plus, Ford has aged and they needed a logical way to explain it. If the same formula would have been adhered to then some people would gripe and if it was changed like it was then some people would gripe. It is a doubled edge sword with fans these days.

[spideyboy_1111]

I was giving a good example from a hugely loved franchise (the original Star Wars trilogy) with huge flaws yet you don't see fanboys sitting in a thread b****ing about it:o Yes, explosions in space is another good example.

the point is.. the star wars movies set there own universe and create there own laws... and nothing from the original trilogy is more out-landish then another. This would be like making star wars episode 7 and making it look like it's from chronicle's of riddick or battlefield earth. It's the same reason people have problems with the new trilogy because it really doesn't feel like the same franchise. I will say this though, Indy doesn't suffer from that problem. It definately feels like the same characters and world... it just doesn't feel like the same genre (cuz now its a 50's serial) which kinda sucks. It's not bad, but just not a good kind of different.

[spideyboy_1111]

Did I quote you? Did I mention your name? Did you rate it a 2/10?

I was not talking to you personally...only in general.

i see, well thats ok then, it just looked like you were talking to me in context

[chaseter]

the point is.. the star wars movies set there own universe and create there own laws... and nothing from the original trilogy is more out-landish then another. This would be like making star wars episode 7 and making it look like it's from chronicle's of riddick or battlefield earth. It's the same reason people have problems with the new trilogy because it really doesn't feel like the same franchise. I will say this though, Indy doesn't suffer from that problem. It definately feels like the same characters and world... it just doesn't feel like the same genre (cuz now its a 50's serial) which kinda sucks. It's not bad, but just not a good kind of different.
But the campy humor, the outlandish events, paranormal artifact, and exotic locales has been the original formula and it has stayed the same. Changing the date of the film doesn't change their 'laws' as you mention it.

I do give it to you for understanding the 50's serial theme as most of the d-bags in here just say "I hate it cause it had an alien."

[spideyboy_1111]

Wait what?

Ignorance was probably a strong word, but you say you acknowledge the 50s serials yet still argue the fridge(i thought)

i do.. i know it's a 50's serial. and i don't like that it's a 50's serial. the thing that makes it a 50's serial isnt the fact it's in the 50's. it the elements of a 50's serial like aliens, nukes, and russians that do. (the red scare and the clothing just make it the 50's not a serial element) I don't like the stupidity of 50's serials where hiding under your school desk can save your life from an atomic bomb... :whatever: I think a movie franchise should always be based off the same genre in which it has always flowed... indy should always be based of 30's serials, and starship troopers should always be based off of 50's serials (get what i'm saying?) Since the fridge scene is an event that makes it a 50's serial... and since i do not like the fridge scene and the huge alien influence (when it should have been less or not revealed till the end) i think the 50's serial idea is lame. :cwink: does that help? tried to spell it out as best as i could?

[chaseter]

i do.. i know it's a 50's serial. and i don't like that it's a 50's serial. the thing that makes it a 50's serial isnt the fact it's in the 50's. it the elements of a 50's serial like aliens, nukes, and russians that do. (the red scare and the clothing just make it the 50's not a serial element) I don't like the stupidity of 50's serials where hiding under your school desk can save your life from an atomic bomb... :whatever: I think a movie franchise should always be based off the same genre in which it has always flowed... indy should always be based of 30's serials, and starship troopers should always be based off of 50's serials (get what i'm saying?) Since the fridge scene is an event that makes it a 50's serial... and since i do not like the fridge scene and the huge alien influence (when it should have been less or not revealed till the end) i think the 50's serial idea is lame. :cwink: does that help? tried to spell it out as best as i could?
*:woot:Shakes hand














**then kicks in nuts and runs:wow:

[cerealkiller182]

i do.. i know it's a 50's serial. and i don't like that it's a 50's serial. the thing that makes it a 50's serial isnt the fact it's in the 50's. it the elements of a 50's serial like aliens, nukes, and russians that do. (the red scare and the clothing just make it the 50's not a serial element) I don't like the stupidity of 50's serials where hiding under your school desk can save your life from an atomic bomb... :whatever: I think a movie franchise should always be based off the same genre in which it has always flowed... indy should always be based of 30's serials, and starship troopers should always be based off of 50's serials (get what i'm saying?) Since the fridge scene is an event that makes it a 50's serial... and since i do not like the fridge scene and the huge alien influence (when it should have been less or not revealed till the end) i think the 50's serial idea is lame. :cwink: does that help? tried to spell it out as best as i could?

This makes way more sense. I dont think anyone has just outright said they dont like 50s serials in general.

But these arnt really genres just gimmicks. Its always been an action/adventure with a "Believe it when i see it" protagonist. The fact that Indy has this notion, I feel the audience should also. Indys just as surprised as the audience when these things happen.

[spideyboy_1111]

Ahhhh...I see a little better from your side now. I can understand gripes over the aliens and the nuke but we all know Indy can't keep fighting the Germans and I think the Russians were a fresh way to go. Plus, Ford has aged and they needed a logical way to explain it. If the same formula would have been adhered to then some people would gripe and if it was changed like it was then some people would gripe. It is a doubled edge sword with fans these days.

o i love the russians, i do feel like they could have been much more of a threat and been alot darker though. I don't think people would complain though (and if there were then ya they'd be nit pickers) if the nuke scene, prairie dogs, monkey swinging, were all cut.. sure some still would be about the aliens.. but i think the movie would have felt more like indy to me if it didnt feel so much like a sci-fi alien flick to me... hell im surprised the CIA? or FBI ? whichever agency, they were talking to indy really were the men in black...

it just felt more like a sci-fi alien adventure film with a lil bit of 30's jungle adventure serial thrown in... and to me it felt like indy was out of his element is all. I mean take out indy and marion and throw in a random guy who doesnt dress like indy and you got your basic sci-fi channel film to an extent.

I just feel that the originals were more gritty, had more suspense and parrel (hell i still get emotion out of them and usually i don't after watching a movie so much) the danger felt real and the movies did overall.. even with all the paranormal elements. This, like 50's serials just sorta make me nod and forced to accept it.

[RockSP]

"Believe it when i see it" protagonist.

You'd think he'd learn one of these days...

[spideyboy_1111]

But the campy humor, the outlandish events, paranormal artifact, and exotic locales has been the original formula and it has stayed the same. Changing the date of the film doesn't change their 'laws' as you mention it.

I do give it to you for understanding the 50's serial theme as most of the d-bags in here just say "I hate it cause it had an alien."

no they didn't break the formula.. just exaggerated it much more to an almost extreme for me to enjoy. the previous indy movies have a slight creep factor to me even today watching... i go wow... raiders and especially TOD have some very dark moments even today watching them... where i feel like KOTSC was a little too family friendly... the only "dark moment" that i felt was truly like an indy film was during the ant scene.

[cerealkiller182]

You'd think he'd learn one these days...

You'd think so, but hell, Batman still thinks theres a scientific explanation for everything, regardless if he can come up with one.

[RockSP]

where i feel like KOTSC was a little too family friendly...

Yeah I guess Speilberg has gotten soft with age.

[chaseter]

no they didn't break the formula.. just exaggerated it much more to an almost extreme for me to enjoy. the previous indy movies have a slight creep factor to me even today watching... i go wow... raiders and especially TOD have some very dark moments even today watching them... where i feel like KOTSC was a little too family friendly... the only "dark moment" that i felt was truly like an indy film was during the ant scene.
I will most certainly agree with you that the way the main villians died was far far far more gruesome in the original 3:o To an extent yes, this was more of a kid friendly movie but the rating system has changed. It makes me laugh to see the PG in front of Raiders:woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

This makes way more sense. I dont think anyone has just outright said they dont like 50s serials in general.

But these arnt really genres just gimmicks. Its always been an action/adventure with a "Believe it when i see it" protagonist. The fact that Indy has this notion, I feel the audience should also. Indys just as surprised as the audience when these things happen.

indeed. but they are gimmicks that do typically make up that genre. And i do love that simple believe it when i see it formula... indy always has a hard time believing in the mystical, and the villain is always all to eager for it.. I just didn't really feel like Irina was as much of a threat as his previous villains.. which bugs me a bit too. in the past indy has always fought a huge group.. i think the russians would have felt like more of a huge threat if we saw who Spilinko (or however you spell her name) was answering to.

[chaseter]

Yeah I guess Speilberg has gotten soft with age.
If he does JP4 he better not skip out on the gore:o

[spideyboy_1111]

I will most certainly agree with you that the way the main villians died was far far far more gruesome in the original 3:o To an extent yes, this was more of a kid friendly movie but the rating system has changed. It makes me laugh to see the PG in front of Raiders:woot:

ya, lol it's weird some pg movies that were made back then should have been pg13... and then some movies that were R should have been pg-13. i think they should have re-rated them with an update today though...

[cerealkiller182]

indeed. but they are gimmicks that do typically make up that genre. And i do love that simple believe it when i see it formula... indy always has a hard time believing in the mystical, and the villain is always all to eager for it.. I just didn't really feel like Irina was as much of a threat as his previous villains.. which bugs me a bit too. in the past indy has always fought a huge group.. i think the russians would have felt like more of a huge threat if we saw who Spilinko (or however you spell her name) was answering to.

Spalko i believe. I thought she worked on the same level as Belloq. The fact that she had more confidence, resources, and information, but still gets beat by Indy.

[RockSP]

Belloq and Spalko pretty much beat themselves. Greedy bastards...

[spideyboy_1111]

Spalko i believe. I thought she worked on the same level as Belloq. The fact that she had more confidence, resources, and information, but still gets beat by Indy.

yeah, but belloq still had the nazi's... and just knowing there nazi's for one is a huge threat.. but then you got the creepy guy with the glasses and them just acting more brutal imo... nazi's imo were like the ant's in KOTCS devouring everyone in there path... the Russians imo were more strategic yet pompous and almost like they were trying to just act tougher then what they were... while coming up short in the end.. i dunno.. i just found the russians almost a laughable threat compared to the nazi's or hell even the mystical psycho cult of the TOD

[spideyboy_1111]

Belloq and Spalko pretty much beat themselves. Greedy bastards...

all indy villains do :-P

[SFII]

has "nuked the fridge" become the modern day "jumped the shark"?

i like it. :)

[Majik1387]

all indy villains do :-P
Exactly, Indy just usually beats the muscled henchmen.:o:up:

[Faded To Deaf]

I went to watch the movie with my mom, but the power went out about 1/3 of the way in, I think. Got to when the crazy skull guys were attacking though the grave site. Was good so far, plan to go a second time to see the whole way through.

Also, in case you were wondering; I got two free movie passes, one for the movie I didn't get to see, and one for the inconvenience.

Don't worry fans of my obviously talented writing, I will return to bless you with my thought on the movie! :hehe:

[danoyse]

ya, lol it's weird some pg movies that were made back then should have been pg13... and then some movies that were R should have been pg-13. i think they should have re-rated them with an update today though...

I recall it was Temple of Doom and Gremlins being released the same summer that finally pushed the MPAA to create the PG-13 raiting.

Also, I remember the Temple of Doom ads had an additional warning under the rating that said: "This film may be too intense for younger children." It was on all the newspaper ads and was also on the VHS release.

[spideyboy_1111]

I recall it was Temple of Doom and Gremlins being released the same summer that finally pushed the MPAA to create the PG-13 raiting.

Also, I remember the Temple of Doom ads had an additional warning under the rating that said: "This film may be too intense for younger children." It was on all the newspaper ads and was also on the VHS release.

yup yup :) i wasn't even born yet (year later), but thats exactly what happened

[spideyboy_1111]

a fun little tidbit :)
Along with Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, also rated PG, Gremlins was one of two films in 1984 to influence the MPAA to create the PG-13 rating, with Red Dawn being the first film released with the rating in August 1984.[18] The scene in which a gremlin explodes in the microwave was particularly influential to the idea that some films too light to be rated R are still too mature to be rated PG. Indeed, before Gremlins came out, the controversy over Indiana Jones might very well have died. The change to the rating system was not insignificant; the rating PG-13 turned out to be appealing to some film patrons, as it implied some excitement without going too far.[18]

[danoyse]

yup yup :) i wasn't even born yet (year later), but thats exactly what happened

I remember it well. I wasn't allowed to see Temple of Doom, but oddly enough I did get to see Gremlins on my 10th birthday that summer.

I also remember being a big fan The Muppets Take Manhattan that summer. Good times. :up:

[That'ssuper!]

They should have done Excalibur!

[The_Vision]

I dont know why people are complaining about the fridge scene, its just as realistic as the lid falling on the ark in Raiders.

[demento]

I saw it last night w/my girlfriend and man, what a huge disappointment. Semi-clever nods to the previous franchise installments do not a movie make. And neither does a convoluted story, esoteric archaeological mumbo-jumbo, piss-poor dialog, or contrived plot devices.

As for the players, Ford's quips all fell flat for me - perhaps a combination of lack of effort and not having much to work with. His throwing his body around like Daniel Craig at a construction site didn't work for me either and I was really, really trying to keep my disbelief airborne in that regard. Cate Blanchet was amusing for about 5 minutes but not a very compelling villain, Shia was, well... Shia. And worst of all, Ray Winstone and especially John Hurt were embarrassingly underused (go watch The Proposition to see what they're both capable of).

All in all, the movie was flat out boring almost to the point of walking out (something I haven't done since The Punisher) but being this is likely the last 'hurrah', we suffered through it.

George Lucas, you just used up the last of your credit.

1/10

[Spider-Vader]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/442704

Funny parody be warned the F-BOMB is used once.

[DarknessOfDeath]

thats hilarious lols

[DACrowe]

I've kind of come to the conclusion that as the internet community seems to grow up, many fans who joined these sites to revel in their favorite characters on the big screen have aged enough to see many of them aren't good (X3, FF, Ghost Rider, etc.) and seeing the potential of cinema outside of popcorn spectacle. They get...snobby. So then when a good summer spectacle comes out it doesn't have the "dark serious maturity" they've trained themselves in group-think to want. They don't like camp or cheese and belittle and mercilessly critique (negatively) every second of the film unless it is "uber-serious and dark" (a la Chris Nolan's efforts). Even if they fail to see anymore that some movies don't strive to be that and some are even better off not being that way. They just don't get it anymore and overly hwine about good stuff.

[BlackLantern]

^^^Agreed....and you'd swear the internet fans speak for everyone the way the opinions are thrown around

[Bim]

I've kind of come to the conclusion that as the internet community seems to grow up, many fans who joined these sites to revel in their favorite characters on the big screen have aged enough to see many of them aren't good (X3, FF, Ghost Rider, etc.) and seeing the potential of cinema outside of popcorn spectacle. They get...snobby. So then when a good summer spectacle comes out it doesn't have the "dark serious maturity" they've trained themselves in group-think to want. They don't like camp or cheese and belittle and mercilessly critique (negatively) every second of the film unless it is "uber-serious and dark" (a la Chris Nolan's efforts). Even if they fail to see anymore that some movies don't strive to be that and some are even better off not being that way. They just don't get it anymore and overly whine about good stuff.
:hehe: so true

[Riven]

I've kind of come to the conclusion that as the internet community seems to grow up, many fans who joined these sites to revel in their favorite characters on the big screen have aged enough to see many of them aren't good (X3, FF, Ghost Rider, etc.) and seeing the potential of cinema outside of popcorn spectacle. They get...snobby. So then when a good summer spectacle comes out it doesn't have the "dark serious maturity" they've trained themselves in group-think to want. They don't like camp or cheese and belittle and mercilessly critique (negatively) every second of the film unless it is "uber-serious and dark" (a la Chris Nolan's efforts). Even if they fail to see anymore that some movies don't strive to be that and some are even better off not being that way. They just don't get it anymore and overly hwine about good stuff.
For someone talking about snobbery, that has to be one of the most pretentious posts I've read in a long time.

I read your post as:
"I like Indiana Jones IV -> Some people do not -> These people invent reasons not to like it -> Therefor they are wrong"

I happen to REALLY appreciate action-packed films that can be silly, over-the-top and just plain fun. I also appreciate movies that take a more intense or "dark" approach, delve deeper psychologically or take themselves more seriously. I appreciate them on different levels and I'm perfectly capable of assigning value to how each type succeeds on its own level. So, somehow... inexplicably... I manage to ESCAPE your narrow little definition of the "fan" you're trying to ostracise from having a valid opinion about your favored film of the moment. :wow: I wonder what that means. Could you explain that to me, because I'm just a dimwitted fan, drunk on his own sense of filmbuffery, that can't possibly make sound judgements...

[BlackLantern]

I think what happens is the internet fans, well the more vocal ones, especially AICN, seem to come off as their opinion is that of the majority....Prime example is the Shia hate....you'd swear the guy ate babies the way people talk about him...I think a big part of it comes from the fact that he took shots at the internet fans during TF's hype and I thought it was long overdue....fans, especially the hardcore internet fanboys, need a good whack in the junk every so often...

[Cagefighterkip]

I think what happens is the internet fans, well the more vocal ones, especially AICN, seem to come off as their opinion is that of the majority....Prime example is the Shia hate....you'd swear the guy ate babies the way people talk about him...I think a big part of it comes from the fact that he took shots at the internet fans during TF's hype and I thought it was long overdue....fans, especially the hardcore internet fanboys, need a good whack in the junk every so often...

hellz yeah :)

[SuperKoala]

yeah

[last_life]

There was actually a gunner pilot in WWI or WWII that survived a 5000 foot fall or so. He was a gunner and they didn't have parachutes due to the confined space. His plane was shot down, the pilot bailed and having no parachute, he jumped anyways. He fell and hit a snow bank and walked away:wow: Sure others have had life changing injuries but that is still nothing to cough at as they survived. Indy was bruised and disoriented after his ordeal.

I am not saying that in a real life situation, someone would survive this. But this is an Indiana Jones movie for f-k's sake:o

As for the fridges...no sh** they wouldn't have worked but we were never nucked to try them out personally now were we:huh: You can be the first:o

If you want to dissect the physics, probabilities, and experimental data to 100% prove that this event could never happen, then be my guest. While you are at it, please explain the other 3 movies' events for me in a logical, scientific manner that can clarify why they happened. Thanks.


Well someone sounds like they need to take a chill pill due to unessisary violent rage. People may argue points, but your way of doing it is very childish, insulting and actualy does what you said you hate people doing. (Poo pooing on people's movie going experiences.)

You have to accept that for all the reasons you can like a movie, someone is going to hate it for exactly those reasons. Get a life and move on.

On your other points:

1) One thing, facts? Can you point to your research for this story. Two flaws I can see already is that one its a snow bank. If you had to land on something, water and snow would be around the top two. Worst two are rocks and metal. Second is that when you often get injured, your body produces a morphine-like chemical that allows you to walk away from the incident with no pain for up to 2 hours.

2) Again with the childish rage. They did test them, they do not work. You know how thick the lead you would need to prevent an A-Bomb from affecting you? Minimum of 12 feet and that does not even cover the radiation.

3) Last point, I cannot. Those movies were made for a different era. Like I said, we are in a new era now. We do not have to "imagine" Sci-Fi or Fantasy anymore because we are already living it.

Not to mention while there are huge problems with the movie mythologically, I think the reason people hated this movie was crap like CGI Gophers, CGI Cute Aliens and non-emotional or logical plot.

[DACrowe]

For someone talking about snobbery, that has to be one of the most pretentious posts I've read in a long time.

I read your post as:
"I like Indiana Jones IV -> Some people do not -> These people invent reasons not to like it -> Therefor they are wrong"

I happen to REALLY appreciate action-packed films that can be silly, over-the-top and just plain fun. I also appreciate movies that take a more intense or "dark" approach, delve deeper psychologically or take themselves more seriously. I appreciate them on different levels and I'm perfectly capable of assigning value to how each type succeeds on its own level. So, somehow... inexplicably... I manage to ESCAPE your narrow little definition of the "fan" you're trying to ostracise from having a valid opinion about your favored film of the moment. :wow: I wonder what that means. Could you explain that to me, because I'm just a dimwitted fan, drunk on his own sense of filmbuffery, that can't possibly make sound judgements...

woah, calm down.

I was simply saying I've noticed a trend on these boards that it went from "everything and the kitchen sink is acceptable" to an over-analytical standpoint that anything not perceived as "serious" which really means all themes and tones encompassing the phrase "dark" -- are bad. Even if the original Indy movies for example were very light hearted.

I'm not saying all and I'm not saying that is the only reason people dislike this movie, but I have noticed this trend on the internets where every scene is scrutinized by fans in painstaking detail and if not every second is taken with a straight face there is a good deal of complaining. The more humor that is in a movie that is based on "sacred material" the less liked it is. Even if the material does call on some humor.

Sorry if I pissed you off.

[BloodyWolverine]

13 1/10 votes is kinda silly. I know everyone has an opinion but no movies unless a bad b movie should rate a 1/10 i always think 3 is low enough and should be changed because its kinda silly option.

[Spider-Vader]

I walked in expecting a fun action movie & that's what I got. Oh yeah it had a couple flaws, but so did Doom, Crusade & even Raiders (Marion's Indeeeeeeeee got annoying). Anyone who walked in expecting more is dumb.

[thejon93]

13 1/10 votes is kinda silly. I know everyone has an opinion but no movies unless a bad b movie should rate a 1/10 i always think 3 is low enough and should be changed because its kinda silly option.
Then what's the purpose 10/10? Or any other rating for that matter? I personally was disappointed because this has 'Star Wars Ep. I-III' spray-painted all over it, literally. I guarentee this will get more sequels, not because of how fans feel, but because of the cash they'll be makin' by putting very little care into making the film itself. Geogre Lucas is an idiot, he lost his touch right after the millenium was here. Steven Spielburg however, is still awesome, 'Minority Report' FTW. I may come across as being hipicritical but this is my opinion, I love action/adventure flicks and was excited when hearing about this one, two of my favourite things coming back to the screen; Indiana Jones and Action/Adventure. I have a hate for films that have CGI-overkill, this one's CGI was bad, don't even get me started on the alien; which I'm sure you all should know about by now, whether you've seen the film or not. Speaking on my behalf, this film just doesn't have the charm of the original 'Indiana Jones' films which made me come to relize that if I asked anyone why they liked this film, they would say it's because of Indiana Jones. Alright, whatelse? Geogre Lucas is obviously trying to sell us off blind by not giving two !@#*s about anything at all having to do with this film apart from the money. I wish I could talk more about what I didn't like from the film, but it's just the feeling I had when walking out from it that made me realize how I truly felt about it. 2/5

[danoyse]

I think what happens is the internet fans, well the more vocal ones, especially AICN, seem to come off as their opinion is that of the majority....Prime example is the Shia hate....you'd swear the guy ate babies the way people talk about him...I think a big part of it comes from the fact that he took shots at the internet fans during TF's hype and I thought it was long overdue....fans, especially the hardcore internet fanboys, need a good whack in the junk every so often...

I also love that when the target of the hate gives them a taste of their own medicine by ripping them back in an interview, suddenly it's like how dare that person be mean to them like that? :whatever:

From what I've read of the Shia hate (which I still don't get), he had every right to respond back and tell them off. Why shouldn't it work both ways? Maybe if they had voiced their opinions with an ounce of maturity that they would have been responded to in the same way.

But maturity is something that you rarely find on the internet.

It's why I'm so glad the original Indy movies came out in the 80s, before the internet, and we didn't have to listen to it back then.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I agree.


OH and what did Shia say?

[TLH]

The people who vote 10 and 1 tend to average to the median score anyway. Based on 36 people voting ten, and 13 people voting one, that gives a total of 373 points, divided by 49 votes = 7.6 .

If you subtract the 10's and the 1's from the poll, the average score is 7.3. With the 10's and the 1's the average score is 7.4.

So in essence they don't have much of an effect. It's marginal.

[danoyse]

I agree.


OH and what did Shia say?

No idea, I was just going from BL's post that he took shots at the Transformers fan. And good for him if he did. :up:

[BlackLantern]

There was an interview I saw with Shia about TF....they had asked him about Megatron and his jet form as opposed to his G1 gun form...he said something like "the gun thing was cool but its not practical for the movie, maybe the 25 people on the internet are mad about that but Megatron works better this way".....

[The Man of Steel]

Ford is probably gonna be 70 before they get he 5th one out :(

[BlackLantern]

^^^why does anyone even think there is going to be another one?? I certainly don't

[The Man of Steel]

That's because your a blasphemer :down

[BlackLantern]

nothing has led me to believe there would be another film......

[DarknessOfDeath]

Actually if you go to www.harrisonweb.com and then scroll down a bit, Ford and Lucas are open to a 5th one but no details have been discussed of what the plot would entail.

[The Man of Steel]

read these
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=45131

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23728354-5006023,00.html

[BlackLantern]

and its all conjecture at this point....

[The Man of Steel]

Faith, You must have

[BlackLantern]

to be honest Ive enjoyed the 4 films so Im rather neutral about it....there could not be another one and I'd be ok or vice versa

[The Man of Steel]

My life will end if i find out they're not doing a 5th one :(:(:(:(:(:(

[Rezzo]

My life will end if i find out they're not doing a 5th one :(:(:(:(:(:(

You'll learn to get over it eventually. :oldrazz:

[The Man of Steel]

no I won't :( I'll be dead:(

[DarknessOfDeath]

Friday was great but b/c I had to work that day, I sold 3 copies of Indiana Jones.

An older couple (probably in their 50's) came in and I saw them at the Indiana Jones movie stand so I approached them and asked if they needed help. The guy asked me about Temple of doom was the first one and I said no, but its actually a prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark which came out first in 1981. So I sold them the second last copy of TOD to them. I asked them if they saw the new one and they said yes and they found it enjoyable and quite good.

The guy said that the new one felt like the other three films and he was glad that Harrison Ford returned as Indiana Jones. His wife said the film was "Wonderful."

A woman later on walked in and we talked about Indiana Jones (duh). Again, I caught her staring at the IJ stand and she was wondering if this one (tod) was the first one. I explained to her that TOD, in perspectively, can be watched as a prequel (according to the date(1935) of when the story takes place or by release date (1984).

Anyway, she ended up buying the last copy of TOD and the third last copy of The Last Crusade.

[spideyboy_1111]

13 1/10 votes is kinda silly. I know everyone has an opinion but no movies unless a bad b movie should rate a 1/10 i always think 3 is low enough and should be changed because its kinda silly option.

well there's always going to be cynical people that vote the lowest just because they think there funny... i mean look at any poll on the hype.. #1 is never the lowest on any list

[Bim]

to be honest Ive enjoyed the 4 films so Im rather neutral about it....there could not be another one and I'd be ok or vice versa
Same here... i'm happy with the 4 Indy films we got, and if they go for another, awesome... if they dont, i think Skulls was a nice way to finish the series :yay:

[Majik1387]

I'd just be annoyed if we got a Mutt spinoff. I mean I liked Shia in the movie, but not enough for him to take on the franchise or start a spinoff.

[Rezzo]

I'd just be annoyed if we got a Mutt spinoff. I mean I liked Shia in the movie, but not enough for him to take on the franchise or start a spinoff.

Likewise, I enjoyed his character in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but I don't want to see him take on the franchise and I'm not interested in seeing a spinoff.

[DarknessOfDeath]

If we get another, fine. If not... fine... either way like BIM said, Indy4 was a nice way of ending the series - but who knows - it may or may not be the end.

If there is going to be another one - one thing I want kept in place is Indiana Jones as the main lead just like he was in the other 4 films.

[Cagefighterkip]

giving shia his own movie - as good as it is - is like giving Marion or Short Round there own movie. good characters but a spinOff would not work.

[chaseter]

On your other points:

1) One thing, facts? Can you point to your research for this story. Two flaws I can see already is that one its a snow bank. If you had to land on something, water and snow would be around the top two. Worst two are rocks and metal. Second is that when you often get injured, your body produces a morphine-like chemical that allows you to walk away from the incident with no pain for up to 2 hours.

2) Again with the childish rage. They did test them, they do not work. You know how thick the lead you would need to prevent an A-Bomb from affecting you? Minimum of 12 feet and that does not even cover the radiation.

3) Last point, I cannot. Those movies were made for a different era. Like I said, we are in a new era now. We do not have to "imagine" Sci-Fi or Fantasy anymore because we are already living it.

Not to mention while there are huge problems with the movie mythologically, I think the reason people hated this movie was crap like CGI Gophers, CGI Cute Aliens and non-emotional or logical plot.
1)And you disproved me how:huh: Secondly, if his injuries were life threatening...you would think someone else would have seen blood, broken bones, etc...The fact of the matter is that he lived. A man lived from falling thousands of feet out of the air with no safety devices. That equates to a 1 in a billion chance, the odds are slim. Which then drove my example of the nuked fridge scene. Sure it is unlikely for him to survive, but: a)this being a movie, b)it being Indy, and c)there is a chance all put together do not make this impossible...just improbable.

And if you hit water from that high...you die.

2)The bomb was not dropped directly over the town, it was a few miles off. This is also a 50's serial movie and with nuclear threats at their high in that time in history, panicked men and women looked and bought anything that could potentially save their lives...even if it was ridiculous...it is called histeria. Indy also had radiation poisoning if you recall the Geigher counter.

3)50's serial movie. This is the reason the saucer looked the way it did, the reason for the plot, the reason for the way the aliens looked...which were not cute btw. Sure we are living Sci-fi compared to their visions 50 years ago but the Indiana Jones movies have never been about fact, truth, or realism...they have been about fantasy and if you recall, the most outrageous looks into the future were based on fantasy. The Sci-fi movies that we cherish today don't try to realistically paint a picture for a future that is imminent, they like to divulge a little to enhance our imagination and their visual prowess.

[Faded To Deaf]

Just saw it half an hour ago. I give it a 7 / 10. I thought the aliens and other dimension stuff was a little weird, acceptable, but weird. Although I don't actually remember the Jones movies, I couldn't shake the feeling in the climax that this didn't feel like a Jones movie.

I loved the action and the deaths, and at first didn't like the idea of Jones III, I grew accustomed to it, and thought it would be cool to have a sequel featuring him.

I was very entertained, and the movie flew by with the fun. I would recommend this movie as a rental rather then the theaters.

[Bim]

If we get another, fine. If not... fine... either way like BIM said, Indy4 was a nice way of ending the series - but who knows - it may or may not be the end.

If there is going to be another one - one thing I want kept in place is Indiana Jones as the main lead just like he was in the other 4 films.
And now, agree with u :woot:

[That'ssuper!]

I wish they had just left the Crystal Skulls as a supernatural artifact, rather than an extraterrestrially developed one. I wish they had just done Excalibur or Atlantis.

[Bim]

I enjoyed Cristal Skull, but Atlantis would have been cool aswell :woot:

[That'ssuper!]

Indiana Jones and the Journey to Akator should have been the title.

[DarknessOfDeath]

well, a little late for that now, isn't it?

[Mr. Credible]

The people who vote 10 and 1 tend to average to the median score anyway. Based on 36 people voting ten, and 13 people voting one, that gives a total of 373 points, divided by 49 votes = 7.6 .

If you subtract the 10's and the 1's from the poll, the average score is 7.3. With the 10's and the 1's the average score is 7.4.

So in essence they don't have much of an effect. It's marginal.

thank you.

you get the guys who are both over and under rating this movie, and 7 is about what this movie deserves.

with it's better-than-average production values, it, in no way, deserves a '1', and, with it's glaring flaws, it in no way deserves a '10'.

[DarknessOfDeath]

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Gotta love John Williams... :heart:

and Indiana Jones :indy:

:D

[kane9321]

People need to cut Shia a break, for real. I mean, what has Shia done to make some people hate his guts?

transformers:cmad:

I didnt like his character in the movie at all...something was just..off. That whole "swinging tarzan" bit was dumb as a hell.. I actually wished he'd swing missing the car and go over the cliff

The whole "Roswell" angle was sweet, I really enjoyed that

Who the **** was "ox" again?

Blanchettt..was hotness

I hate "ANTS" now!

[Bim]

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Gotta love John Williams... :heart:

and Indiana Jones :indy:

:D
Pure sweetness :woot: :indy:

I actually wished he'd swing missing the car and go over the cliff

:hehe: that's just evil :oldrazz:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

to be honest Ive enjoyed the 4 films so Im rather neutral about it....there could not be another one and I'd be ok or vice versa

Yeah, i kinda dont want them to do a 5th movie, but if they do one, and its better than KOTCS, then I would be made up, so we'll see.

[DarknessOfDeath]

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Pay attention to what the last question Walters asks him and pay really close attention to Harrison's answer.

It made me shed a tear...

:(:)

[Octoberist]

Yeah, i kinda dont want them to do a 5th movie, but if they do one, and its better than KOTCS, then I would be made up, so we'll see.

If they do a 5th one, then they're not better than the dudes who want to remake Rosemary's Baby, The Birds, and other remakes. This is a terrible time right now, and milking the cash cow can only lead to a taint on Indy's rep. Indy 4 is kinda pushing it, Indy will finish it off.

[Dark Spidey]

Went to see this film again today. That's twice now. Considering going again next week for a third time too.

It's so weird. As an old school Indy fan, I never even wanted this movie to be made. After how much I hated the new Star Wars films... I was just dreading it. But I frickin' love this movie!!!

As far as i'm concerned, it's perfect. It's like if they had to bring Indy back, this is exactly how it needed to be done. I'm absolutely overjoyed with this film.

So darn it, I will be going again next week!

[RockSP]

I dont know why people are complaining about the fridge scene, its just as realistic as the lid falling on the ark in Raiders.

Hmm...don't really remember what happened with the lid but the whole ark thing was a mystical occurence. Fridge & nuke, not so much.

[KALEL114]

Updated take.
Domestic: $253,026,000 43.6%
+ Foreign: $326,800,000 56.4%

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= Worldwide: $579,826,000

With that it, blew passed Ironman in Worlwide Gross.

[블라스]

Went to see this film again today. That's twice now. Considering going again next week for a third time too.

It's so weird. As an old school Indy fan, I never even wanted this movie to be made. After how much I hated the new Star Wars films... I was just dreading it. But I frickin' love this movie!!!

As far as i'm concerned, it's perfect. It's like if they had to bring Indy back, this is exactly how it needed to be done. I'm absolutely overjoyed with this film.

So darn it, I will be going again next week!

:heart: :heart:

[Bim]

If they do a 5th one, then they're not better than the dudes who want to remake Rosemary's Baby, The Birds, and other remakes. This is a terrible time right now, and milking the cash cow can only lead to a taint on Indy's rep. Indy 4 is kinda pushing it, Indy will finish it off.
If they come up with a good plot for it, i dont see what the problem is.

[That'ssuper!]

Indy 5 could always be a prequel.

[Hobgoblin]

Blanchettt..was hotness


Yup, the accent, black hair and blue yes did it for me. :woot:

[RockSP]

Yup, the accent, black hair and blue yes did it for me. :woot:

I liked her blue no, personally

[Asteroid-Man]

my order of indy films:

4. Temple
3. Crusade
2. Kingdom
1. Raiders

[DarknessOfDeath]

for me its...

Temple
Raiders
Kingdom
Crusade

and how can the 5th one be a prequel??

[chaseter]

my order of indy films:

4. Temple
3. Crusade
2. Kingdom
1. Raiders
Know I know you smoke crack:o

[That'ssuper!]

for me its...

Temple
Raiders
Kingdom
Crusade

and how can the 5th one be a prequel??

Set it in 1956 or in 1951, before his father died.

[mr. peasant]

Now I may be wrong but isn't the whole point of introducing Mutt as Indy's son (and to be Henry Jones III) so that they could pass on the mantle over or at least do the major legwork/action sequences should they decide to continue the franchise? If that's the case making movies set prior the Kingdom kind of defeats this.

[Spider-Vader]

That's because your a blasphemer :down
ROFL.


Who the **** was "ox" again?

The old crazy guy.

If Mutt will get his own series I think they should have one more with Mutt & have subtle things, like Mutt having his jacket off when Indy does & so on. He should also keep the greaser get-up & have the sword as his 'whip'. No hat or revolver either. Give him a regular pistol.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If they do a 5th one, then they're not better than the dudes who want to remake Rosemary's Baby, The Birds, and other remakes. This is a terrible time right now, and milking the cash cow can only lead to a taint on Indy's rep. Indy 4 is kinda pushing it, Indy will finish it off.

KOTCS was a solid effort, and in no way an embarrasment to the series, but it could be improved upon, if they could do that with a 5th, i'd be all for it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If they do a 5th one, then they're not better than the dudes who want to remake Rosemary's Baby, The Birds, and other remakes. This is a terrible time right now, and milking the cash cow can only lead to a taint on Indy's rep. Indy 4 is kinda pushing it, Indy will finish it off.

KOTCS was a solid effort, and in no way an embarrasment to the series, but it could be improved upon, if they could do that with a 5th, i'd be all for it.

[SuperKoala]

please no indy 5!!!!!

[SodaPop]

KOTCS was a solid effort, and in no way an embarrasment to the series, but it could be improved upon, if they could do that with a 5th, i'd be all for it.
I totally agree with that. And personally, I dont see why there is such a hate for Shia. He is a good actor and he's becoming into blockbuster material right now.

[BloodyWolverine]

Then what's the purpose 10/10? Or any other rating for that matter? I personally was disappointed because this has 'Star Wars Ep. I-III' spray-painted all over it, literally. I guarentee this will get more sequels, not because of how fans feel, but because of the cash they'll be makin' by putting very little care into making the film itself. Geogre Lucas is an idiot, he lost his touch right after the millenium was here. Steven Spielburg however, is still awesome, 'Minority Report' FTW. I may come across as being hipicritical but this is my opinion, I love action/adventure flicks and was excited when hearing about this one, two of my favourite things coming back to the screen; Indiana Jones and Action/Adventure. I have a hate for films that have CGI-overkill, this one's CGI was bad, don't even get me started on the alien; which I'm sure you all should know about by now, whether you've seen the film or not. Speaking on my behalf, this film just doesn't have the charm of the original 'Indiana Jones' films which made me come to relize that if I asked anyone why they liked this film, they would say it's because of Indiana Jones. Alright, whatelse? Geogre Lucas is obviously trying to sell us off blind by not giving two !@#*s about anything at all having to do with this film apart from the money. I wish I could talk more about what I didn't like from the film, but it's just the feeling I had when walking out from it that made me realize how I truly felt about it. 2/5
My point is no movie i have seen thus far this spring / summer deserves a 1/10. I am saying not to hate on ths fil for please do but i have given a film i disliked no lower then a 5/10.
I prefer the star system really be it 5 / 4 1/2 and so on.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Just got back from my bro's graduation...

Obviously it was boring except for the part when my bro got his degree and such... but the ending was sweet. The orchestra played the Indiana Jones theme right through Marion's theme and then to IJ's theme (just like the Raiders theme) as the graduates filed out of the room.

I was a bit surprised but funny I was thinking about the Indiana Jones theme cause I was playing it in my head. Even Marion's theme. hehe

Just thought I'd say it :)

[last_life]

1)And you disproved me how:huh: Secondly, if his injuries were life threatening...you would think someone else would have seen blood, broken bones, etc...The fact of the matter is that he lived. A man lived from falling thousands of feet out of the air with no safety devices. That equates to a 1 in a billion chance, the odds are slim. Which then drove my example of the nuked fridge scene. Sure it is unlikely for him to survive, but: a)this being a movie, b)it being Indy, and c)there is a chance all put together do not make this impossible...just improbable.

And if you hit water from that high...you die.

2)The bomb was not dropped directly over the town, it was a few miles off. This is also a 50's serial movie and with nuclear threats at their high in that time in history, panicked men and women looked and bought anything that could potentially save their lives...even if it was ridiculous...it is called histeria. Indy also had radiation poisoning if you recall the Geigher counter.

3)50's serial movie. This is the reason the saucer looked the way it did, the reason for the plot, the reason for the way the aliens looked...which were not cute btw. Sure we are living Sci-fi compared to their visions 50 years ago but the Indiana Jones movies have never been about fact, truth, or realism...they have been about fantasy and if you recall, the most outrageous looks into the future were based on fantasy. The Sci-fi movies that we cherish today don't try to realistically paint a picture for a future that is imminent, they like to divulge a little to enhance our imagination and their visual prowess.


1) Once again: he came out unscathed. Survived =/= Unscathed. Plus if you actually knew people with radiation poisoning...well enough beating a dead horse.

Also yes if you fall high enough in water it will kill you. Same with being put in a metal contraption and being thrashed around on rocks.

2) Even without ground zero, people who get hit by a nuke unless living about 100 miles away for an average size will be severally burned weather blocked are not. They will also get horrifying damage from the blast alone. Also, histerya does not mean that all of a sudden the damn thing will work. The whole thing was just stupid and should have been omitted with good old fashion Indy action such as the plane fight in Raders! We did not need CGI Gophers for that piece of action to work! :whatever:

3) They went to far. Look at it this way, when you open up an Ark what happens? See, that is fantasy! We are talking about a Nuclear Bomb here. Its a real thing, and we have real examples and evidences of what happens when you get hit by a nuke. Jesus, even if you did not know the science most people have a very good idea what a nuke is like by Terminator 2 alone! In fact there is a video that makes fun of the whole thing by combining the stuff together.

So yes, its one thing when you are doing fantasy for fantasy. Its another when you take things that are very real and very serious and make a "ha-ha" out of it.

Same thing with the Army Ants. Why not Tigers or Puma's instead? At least there would be SOME accuracy's there!

[That'ssuper!]

1) Once again: he came out unscathed. Survived =/= Unscathed. Plus if you actually knew people with radiation poisoning...well enough beating a dead horse.

Also yes if you fall high enough in water it will kill you. Same with being put in a metal contraption and being thrashed around on rocks.

2) Even without ground zero, people who get hit by a nuke unless living about 100 miles away for an average size will be severally burned weather blocked are not. They will also get horrifying damage from the blast alone. Also, histerya does not mean that all of a sudden the damn thing will work. The whole thing was just stupid and should have been omitted with good old fashion Indy action such as the plane fight in Raders! We did not need CGI Gophers for that piece of action to work! :whatever:

3) They went to far. Look at it this way, when you open up an Ark what happens? See, that is fantasy! We are talking about a Nuclear Bomb here. Its a real thing, and we have real examples and evidences of what happens when you get hit by a nuke. Jesus, even if you did not know the science most people have a very good idea what a nuke is like by Terminator 2 alone! In fact there is a video that makes fun of the whole thing by combining the stuff together.

So yes, its one thing when you are doing fantasy for fantasy. Its another when you take things that are very real and very serious and make a "ha-ha" out of it.

Same thing with the Army Ants. Why not Tigers or Puma's instead? At least there would be SOME accuracy's there!

In terms of accuracy, I agree with the nuking the fridge, and the overuse of CGI, portions of your statement. However I must correct you on some of the facts in the final part of your words which would not realistically work in the film.

The "Army Ants" are actually called Dorylus or Siafu, a real life species, only a different species in the same genus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siafu

Dorylus is part of the "creepy crawler scenes" which every Indiana Jones fillm has featured. Raiders had snakes, TOD had insects, TLC had rats, this one has Siafu.

http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/ENTERTAINMENT/805220305/1006/RSS05

Puma is a name only derived to mean the small species of genus Puma concolor which exists in the Americas. The appropriate term for this cat in Central and South America is Jaguar or Jagurandi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi

Tigers aren't indigenous to the Americas, that's general logic.

[cerealkiller182]

1) Once again: he came out unscathed. Survived =/= Unscathed. Plus if you actually knew people with radiation poisoning...well enough beating a dead horse.

Also yes if you fall high enough in water it will kill you. Same with being put in a metal contraption and being thrashed around on rocks.

2) Even without ground zero, people who get hit by a nuke unless living about 100 miles away for an average size will be severally burned weather blocked are not. They will also get horrifying damage from the blast alone. Also, histerya does not mean that all of a sudden the damn thing will work. The whole thing was just stupid and should have been omitted with good old fashion Indy action such as the plane fight in Raders! We did not need CGI Gophers for that piece of action to work! :whatever:

3) They went to far. Look at it this way, when you open up an Ark what happens? See, that is fantasy! We are talking about a Nuclear Bomb here. Its a real thing, and we have real examples and evidences of what happens when you get hit by a nuke. Jesus, even if you did not know the science most people have a very good idea what a nuke is like by Terminator 2 alone! In fact there is a video that makes fun of the whole thing by combining the stuff together.

So yes, its one thing when you are doing fantasy for fantasy. Its another when you take things that are very real and very serious and make a "ha-ha" out of it.

Same thing with the Army Ants. Why not Tigers or Puma's instead? At least there would be SOME accuracy's there!

Going too far is arguing physics in any movie especially one based in fantasy/science fiction and based on 30s/50s action/adventure serials where such scenes could/would possibly happen.

Everything you say is true about Indy not surviving but i just dont care. It was cool. It was fun. It was entertaining. Get over it.

[That'ssuper!]

They should have done Excalibur...

[Majik1387]

Well they didn't, so get over it already.

[That'ssuper!]

Well they didn't, so get over it already.

IMO you should get over it.

[chaseter]

^How can you get over something that was enjoyed?

[chaseter]

1) Once again: he came out unscathed. Survived =/= Unscathed. Plus if you actually knew people with radiation poisoning...well enough beating a dead horse.
He was hurt = scathed...yet survived. Actually, unscathed does equal survived:huh:


2) Even without ground zero, people who get hit by a nuke unless living about 100 miles away for an average size will be severally burned weather blocked are not. They will also get horrifying damage from the blast alone. Also, histerya does not mean that all of a sudden the damn thing will work. The whole thing was just stupid and should have been omitted with good old fashion Indy action such as the plane fight in Raders! We did not need CGI Gophers for that piece of action to work! :whatever:
Again, this is a 50's serial movie in which aliens, nuclear holocaust, and the Red Scare were at the forefront of American culture. In the 30's serial movie, with the war going on, Nazi's were at the forefront of American culture backlashing. The blast was an ode to those times, nothing more. I never said that he would deffinitely survive, I am saying that there is a chance, as small as it be, that someone might survive. That coupled with the fact that this is a freaking fantasy film would make you suspend your beliefs for a bit:o

I guess Lucas and Spielberg better go back and take out the Raider's effects of the Ark, the melting faces, and the ghosts as well as return and remove the nazi plane fight and the aging man from Crusade because they were special effects and not a choreographed fight...

3) They went to far. Look at it this way, when you open up an Ark what happens? See, that is fantasy! We are talking about a Nuclear Bomb here. Its a real thing, and we have real examples and evidences of what happens when you get hit by a nuke. Jesus, even if you did not know the science most people have a very good idea what a nuke is like by Terminator 2 alone! In fact there is a video that makes fun of the whole thing by combining the stuff together.
I totally understand your take on fantasy vs. reality but no one will ever enjoy a sci-fi movie if they analyze every single occurence by figuring out the physics, chemisty, biology, [insert life science], etc... Why? Because most sci-fi is what is in the name...fiction...meaning it is made up. Some people actually sit down and make some pretty convincing sci-fi concepts (Michael Crichton for example). But at the end of the day, people didn't go into Jurassic Park and say ahhh that can't really happen...this movie sucks.

Just look at this scene this way: It is 50's America and nuclear war looms. They sell fridge's with lead lined interiors to try and calm the average American...giving them a purchased false sense of protection. If a threat occurs...someone actually gets in their fridge and hopes for the best.

All the old people in my theatre laughed at that because today it is comical that people thought it would actually work back then. I didn't understand it and thought it was lame...see my first review...but then I did a little research and found the meaning behind the joke instead of constantly bashing it on the internet.



Same thing with the Army Ants. Why not Tigers or Puma's instead? At least there would be SOME accuracy's there!
These ants actually exist and they can actually make a bridge to get somewhere or something and they actually hunt down threats. See where a little research comes in before putting the final nail in the coffin so to speak:o If you know the meanings behind the jokes and the stories, it makes the movie a lot better and most other movies as well. Why do you think the educated are film critics instead of Joe Schmo that likes to drink beer and watch Nascar?

[dark_b]

i liked the movie. the tarzan scene was the worst scene in the movie. i dont care for the other indy movies. i dont care what was there.lucas and spielberg pushed it to the limit.
there should never be a tarzan scene in an indy movie where mutt swings so fast. 3 swings where he is using every muscle and in pain would work. but to swing so fast that he was able to catch the cars was just ''meeeeh''.

Ford was in an extreme shape. extreme.

i noticed that marion looked a lot older in the movie then in the trailers.

i liked how they teased like Mutt will be the next indiana jones. but then second later you see indy who takes hes hat.they basicly showed us that there is only one indiana jones. and its Ford. no way that Shia will get hes spin off....no way.

[RockSP]

no way that Shia will get hes spin off....no way.

Just like there was only supposed to be 3 Indy movies.

A spin-off is very possible.

[DarknessOfDeath]

No. There was a contract for 5 films.

[RockSP]

No. There was a contract for 5 films.

I don't think there was a "contract". Lucas may have wanted to make 5 films initially, but when Crusade came out they were saying it was the last one. Lucas even said "Three is a good number to end with".

[DarknessOfDeath]

With or without a contact, the thing is, 5 movies were planned with Paramount.

Indiana Jones 5 - Sequel Plans (http://www.movie-moron.com/?p=453)


http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x89/edwardbayntun/news/Indiana-Jones-5.jpg

With Harrison Ford already 65, the notion of an Indiana Jones 5 might seem ridiculous. But another sequel is, in fact, extremely likely…

In the 1980s there were originally 5 Indiana Jones movies planned. The 19 year delay since The Last Crusade was due to a disagreement over the direction of the story. That has now been resolved.

Spielberg says he became particularly interested in returning to the series after his son asked when the remaining two would be released. All of which means… we’re still one short.



Spielberg stated at the Cannes press conference that he was indeed open to making another film if the public wanted more. “That’s why we made this Indiana Jones. We’ll certainly have our ear to the ground to hear what happens. That’ll decide where we go from here.”

Given that Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull will, without doubt, be the biggest financial hit of the year, and the critical response has been good… this criteria has been well met.





For his part Harrison Ford said last week “Till they tell me otherwise, I will continue to be Indiana Jones.”

But here’s the kicker. Don’t expect Indiana Jones to be the lead in Indiana Jones 5. George Lucas explained to reporters at a recent premiere “I have an idea to make Shia [LaBeouf] the lead character next time and have Harrison come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out.”

It doesn’t get much more black and white than that.

http://www.movie-moron.com/?p=453

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[RockSP]

Like I said, they may have originally wanted 5. But then they decided to stop at 3. Obviously they've changed their minds (and I'm sure all that $$$$$$$ helped).

But my main point is dark_b seems to think a Mutt spin-off could never happen. It can. Easily. If they say no spin-off now (not that they have to my knowledge), they could always change their minds later.

[dark_b]

Like I said, they may have originally wanted 5. But then they decided to stop at 3. Obviously they've changed their minds (and I'm sure all that $$$$$$$ helped).

But my main point is dark_b seems to think a Mutt spin-off could never happen. It can. Easily. If they say no spin-off now (not that they have to my knowledge), they could always change their minds later.well i meant a spin off where spielberg is the director and Ford has a cameo or a small role. i dont think this will happen.

[RockSP]

well i meant a spin off where spielberg is the director and Ford has a cameo or a small role. i dont think this will happen.

Gotcha.

[dark_b]

it was my fault. i didnt writte this in my original post.

but with a different director everything could happen. the problem is that indiana jones is indiana jones(Ford).

you cna have Mutt and have the title completely different. but dont destroy indiana jones. please just dont.

[samsnee]

Here's a review of Frank Darabont's original script. I wish they went in more detail though.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686188/Review_Darabonts_Indiana_Jones_IV.html#readmore

[Hoedowned]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37049

Apparently the Frank Darabont draft got leaked, but it was been taken down. Anyone managed to get it?

[Octoberist]

why does he think that Temple of Doom is so bad. clearly, it's no longer the case now, and he just used it as a punching bag.

[Rezzo]

Here's a review of Frank Darabont's original script. I wish they went in more detail though.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686188/Review_Darabonts_Indiana_Jones_IV.html#readmore

What could have been, but oh well.

[Cagefighterkip]

NEVERMIND:

http://www.mediafire.com/?1pfz jtexmym

thats the link for the script download

[That'ssuper!]

I realize this movie could have been called Indiana Jones and the Thirteen Crystal Skulls

[chaseter]

It seems the Darabont script is pretty much the same minus Shia but with Sala and Dr. Jones Sr. The fridge, the ants, the aliens, etc... are all in there as well.

[Octoberist]

i prefer the original title "city of gods". I know that there's a movie with the same name, but it flows better than "Kingdom of the blah skulls"

[Bishop2]

NEVERMIND:

http://www.mediafire.com/?1pfz jtexmym

thats the link for the script download

Doesn't appear to work. I'd love to get my hands on this script... I've been dying to read Darabont's version for years now!

[DACrowe]

The title is better. I haven't read it, because it was taken down bu it sounds the ending is much better. With that said I am happy with Mutt's inclusion and have to add that it still was missing Short Round! :mad:

[Spider-Vader]

Indy's the highest grossing 2008 film worldwide as of right now.

1 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Par. $585.1
2 Iron Man Par. $538.1

But Domestic it's still number 2.

[chaseter]

^Wow. I like how Indiana was second this past weekend and Sex and the City was third after its second week!

[last_life]

Indy's the highest grossing 2008 film worldwide as of right now.

1 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Par. $585.1
2 Iron Man Par. $538.1

But Domestic it's still number 2.

Duh. Of course it is going to gross high. It says "Indiana Jones" in the title!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Saw it again for a 4th time...

[RockSP]

^^jeeeeeeeez...

[DarknessOfDeath]

...

oh give it a break already.

[RockSP]

...

Go give it a break already.

:huh: I think maybe you should follow that advise lol. Go see something else, already.

[That'ssuper!]

Does anyone have a working link to download the script for City of the Gods?

[Spider-Vader]

:huh: I think maybe you should follow that advise lol. Go see something else, already.

I'm pretty sure you'll see TDK one billion times.

[danoyse]

Saw it again for a 4th time...

I saw it tonight for the 2nd time. :woot:

I almost saw Narnia, but the movie theater was mobbed because they were having a Hulk preview screening. Didn't want to deal with the crowd, so I went to the theater across the street to see Indy instead (42nd St in NYC has two multiplexes). Turns out they were also having a Hulk screening, so there was a whole crowd in the lobby there too.

But I managed to get in to see Indy...and I was pleasantly surprised to find Indy was nearly sold out. Crowd seemed to really enjoy it, too. Hope this means it's going to have another good weekend.

I thought the movie was even better the 2nd time. I'm hoping to catch it at least one more time before the summer is out. :up:

[Spider-Vader]

That's good people are mobbing to see Hulk. :woot:

[danoyse]

It was insane--the line was around the block. It reminded me of opening night for the first Spiderman movie.

Of course, all of those Hulk tickets were free tonight, so I'm sure that helped too. :cwink:

[BatJeff7786]

It seems the Darabont script is pretty much the same minus Shia but with Sala and Dr. Jones Sr. The fridge, the ants, the aliens, etc... are all in there as well.

I've only scanned it but the upsides include Indy actually trying to clear his name after being accused of being a Red (which should have been a plot point in the final movie), and Marion is actually treated like a real character instead of an afterthought. I'm gonna try to read the whole thing this weekend.

[chaseter]

I've only scanned it but the upsides include Indy actually trying to clear his name after being accused of being a Red (which should have been a plot point in the final movie), and Marion is actually treated like a real character instead of an afterthought. I'm gonna try to read the whole thing this weekend.
Well we all know it was probably better anyways seeing as Lucas isn't totally on his game anymore but we still got a good solid Indy movie. But the main point is that what people are griping about is exactly the same in the Darabont script. But yes, Marion wasn't as fiesty as she was in Raiders but we have to consider that she is a mom now.

Btw, can you send me the link...I only read highlights.