Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Doctor Jones]

I don't mind CGI as long as it's good.

And Jar Jar was failed attempt at creating a likable R2D2/C3PO type character. Luckily, Lucas listen to the fans (to a point) and lessen Jar Jar's involvement in the other prequel movies.

I don't think or know if he listened to them. Maybe though. Or maybe because there were more important parts to the story that didn't need Jar Jar in the other two films.

[Octoberist]

You can tell that he intended Jar Jar to have a bigger role prior to Episode 2 and 3, by his role in Episode 1. I think he realize that perhaps he wasn't needed.

[8wid]

I think Mutt's character was only created in order to open a role for Shia Labeouf after his success with Transformers. Which also kind of hints that selling toys had a large part in making a fourth Indy.

[Octoberist]

I mean, there wasn't much to him. Let's say he's no Short Round, or even MARCUS BRODY!!!

[JAK®]

Oh, it's not that. It's the fact he wants to put CGI creatures into his movies. And he was the guy who created Jar Jar and thought it was funny.
He trys to kiddy-ize everything. Let's just gut the seriousness out of all his movies by throwing in a CGI creature.I'm guessing you saw the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies as a kid.

[Octoberist]

that's a strange comment, Jak (Registered). It's such a general statement. I mean, I saw the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones as a kid too. Who hasn't?

[spideyboy_1111]

Hey, it's 2009. :cwink:

2007 before that when they were filming. That's exactly what someone would say to have it their way.

Plus, it's the 1950's. A different feel to the 30's. The cinamatography was quite consistant but still altered because of the setting. It's the Cold War, new decade. New tone calls for it.

...... wow haha. the era and styles of whats around them can be different, but the way the movie is filmed SHOULD NOT BE. Thats what makes it feel like it doesn't fit in with the older films. The older films were restricted with what they could use... those same restrictions should apply.. i wouldn't mind some CG... but you can still make CG look like it belongs in a film. I'm assuming you don't know to much about the industries.. there's programs and filters that can make things look brilliant. But the filming styles should not change.

[spideyboy_1111]

What's wrong with putting in CGI creatures? He pushed the bounderies of technology. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, he even said himself if he went too far before TPM came out when he watched it in a SFX screening.

Jar Jar was funny to me as a seven year old and a little later. It worked for me. But now I don't like him, but it's for the kids. People who aren't kids can't even speak for them.

i don't have a problem with CG, it has it's places, it's just when the puppets turn into CG (yoda in episode 2 and 3) and the scenery all becomes fake, is when i have a problem. you lose the sense of realism.

[Bim]

i don't have a problem with CG, it has it's places, it's just when the puppets turn into CG (yoda in episode 2 and 3) and the scenery all becomes fake, is when i have a problem. you lose the sense of realism.
I love CG Yoda from episodes II and III... in fact, i hope they digitalize TPM Yoda in the next DVD release :oldrazz:

spidey: u obviously have ur opinion regarding this and i respect it, but u sound as if they didnt shoot ANYTHING in Indy 4 for real and it was all CG, which isnt the case.

[Spider-Vader]

I think Mutt's character was only created in order to open a role for Shia Labeouf after his success with Transformers. Which also kind of hints that selling toys had a large part in making a fourth Indy.

I doubt that. Shia LaBeouf probably had nothing to do with Transformers' success.

Who wants Indy to die alone? I wanted him to have a kid & get married.

[cerealkiller182]

I disagree about Mutt being just because of Shia, but of course it was for selling toys. Lucas has always been pretty candid about referring to himself as a toymaker not a filmmaker. Hes all about licenses and merchandising, thats where most of his cash comes from.

[GhostPoet]

i don't have a problem with CG, it has it's places, it's just when the puppets turn into CG (yoda in episode 2 and 3) and the scenery all becomes fake, is when i have a problem. you lose the sense of realism.


Huh? The Yoda puppet in Ep1 was crap...Yoda didn't look great until Ep 2 and 3.

[Doctor Jones]

...... wow haha. the era and styles of whats around them can be different, but the way the movie is filmed SHOULD NOT BE. Thats what makes it feel like it doesn't fit in with the older films. The older films were restricted with what they could use... those same restrictions should apply.. i wouldn't mind some CG... but you can still make CG look like it belongs in a film. I'm assuming you don't know to much about the industries.. there's programs and filters that can make things look brilliant. But the filming styles should not change.

So you're saying they can use filters to make it look different, but film the same way twenty years before? Or did I read that wrong? Why would I need to film something the same way if I can use a filter to make it look like it did before?

But still, it's 2009. Nobody films like this anymore. Hey, at least they edited it like they did before. But does it really matter if they filmed it the same way? I really don't care about that. The cinematography Kaminski used felt very consistant to Slocombe's. But also lended to the new era. New era, new film. It's like filming a film in the 30's. Then in the 50's. People take up the new technolgy to achieve greater filming.

[spideyboy_1111]

I love CG Yoda from episodes II and III... in fact, i hope they digitalize TPM Yoda in the next DVD release :oldrazz:

spidey: u obviously have ur opinion regarding this and i respect it, but u sound as if they didnt shoot ANYTHING in Indy 4 for real and it was all CG, which isnt the case.

i was actually talking more about episodes 2 and 3.... but my point still is, there are indeed scenes in Indy where none of the background is even real. Something that did not happen with the previous indy films.

[spideyboy_1111]

So you're saying they can use filters to make it look different, but film the same way twenty years before? Or did I read that wrong? Why would I need to film something the same way if I can use a filter to make it look like it did before?

But still, it's 2009. Nobody films like this anymore. Hey, at least they edited it like they did before. But does it really matter if they filmed it the same way? I really don't care about that. The cinematography Kaminski used felt very consistant to Slocombe's. But also lended to the new era. New era, new film. It's like filming a film in the 30's. Then in the 50's. People take up the new technolgy to achieve greater filming.

if they were to use any CGI at all, they'd have to put a filter on it is what i was refering to.

and thats my point, NOBODY films like this anymore, i personally think it'd make it more interesting because its filmed differently. You want the feel and the look of the movies to connect, and this one didnt.

I honestly can't even believe you think just because there was a "decade jump" in the time in the movies, that the film and tech used to make the film, sets, effects etc... lol should all be upgraded too.. sorry but that makes me giggle.

[Octoberist]

i think one of the problems with Indy 4 was the cinematography by Janusz Kaminski. His style has a very sleek look, that almost looks HD/digital. It's great for films like Munich, but he kinda dropped the ball with Indy 4, where everything looks washout and fake. It lacks the richness of the original films. and yes it can be done, you just have to get the right people.

[Bim]

I honestly can't even believe you think just because there was a "decade jump" in the time in the movies, that the film and tech used to make the film, sets, effects etc... lol should all be upgraded too.. sorry but that makes me giggle.
Lots of things make me giggle, smiling's a great thing :oldrazz::hehe:

Ghostpoet: i agree about that Yoda puppet from TPM, i didnt like the upgrade at all. Yoda looked younger, but for me just didnt look better. I really liked digitasl Yoda in AOTC and ROTS.

Originally Indy was supossed to have a daughter, not a son, but Spielberg didnt like that idea. He did like the idea of a son... at first they were also gonna make him geeky and preppy, but then they realized Indy's son had to be to him what Indy was to his father, and that's how Mutt came to be. And it was actually Steven that suggested Shia to Lucas... apparently Steven had seen the movie 'Holes' years ago with his kids and from the moment he saw Shia he thought he would be great in an Indy movie.

Had he been alive, i think River Phoenix would have been the perfect son for Indy :woot:

[Doctor Jones]

Lots of things make me giggle, smiling's a great thing :oldrazz::hehe:

Ghostpoet: i agree about that Yoda puppet from TPM, i didnt like the upgrade at all. Yoda looked younger, but for me just didnt look better. I really liked digitasl Yoda in AOTC and ROTS.

Originally Indy was supossed to have a daughter, not a son, but Spielberg didnt like that idea. He did like the idea of a son... at first they were also gonna make him geeky and preppy, but then they realized Indy's son had to be to him what Indy was to his father, and that's how Mutt came to be. And it was actually Steven that suggested Shia to Lucas... apparently Steven had seen the movie 'Holes' years ago with his kids and from the moment he saw Shia he thought he would be great in an Indy movie.

Had he been alive, i think River Phoenix would have been the perfect son for Indy :woot:

Yeah, I remember him saying this. Before he was a huge star really. I mean he was in Even Stevens and this film, but that didn't put him on the map until around Disturbia.

Phoenix would of been a great son of Indy. If he didn't already play a younger version of him. It's too bad he's gone, he owuld of been one hell of an actor today.

[Doctor Jones]

if they were to use any CGI at all, they'd have to put a filter on it is what i was refering to.

and thats my point, NOBODY films like this anymore, i personally think it'd make it more interesting because its filmed differently. You want the feel and the look of the movies to connect, and this one didnt.

[B]I honestly can't even believe you think just because there was a "decade jump" in the time in the movies, that the film and tech used to make the film, sets, effects etc... lol should all be upgraded too.. sorry but that makes me giggle.

Well, you think they're gonna use the stuff from two decades ago or the stuff now? If they did,you would be seeing films done this way now. But frankly we don't. That's why No director wants to shoot with that stuff. If they have the chance to improve filming, they're gonna use the new technolgy. That's what technolgy in general does you know. It keeps changing to make it better. Do you want a CD player always changing your cd's in it, or an iPod where you can store thousands of songs to make it more conveniant? It's all about making the experiece better. And filming is no exception.

[8wid]

I just realized some interesting villains for the 1950s; since this period is when a lot of imperialistic territories are breaking down, warlords from some newly independent nation would make much sense since quite a few hold to ancient beliefs of the supernatural even to this day. I personally would like to see Indy go to Africa, and by that somewhere other than Cairo.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, you think they're gonna use the stuff from two decades ago or the stuff now? If they did,you would be seeing films done this way now. But frankly we don't. That's why No director wants to shoot with that stuff. If they have the chance to improve filming, they're gonna use the new technolgy. That's what technolgy in general does you know. It keeps changing to make it better. Do you want a CD player always changing your cd's in it, or an iPod where you can store thousands of songs to make it more conveniant? It's all about making the experiece better. And filming is no exception.

my whole point is (Which you seem to have missed, or simply can't understand) is to make the movie look the same. Not everything would have to be from 2 decades ago... there's ways to get around that.

[Doctor Jones]

my whole point is (Which you seem to have missed, or simply can't understand) is to make the movie look the same. Not everything would have to be from 2 decades ago... there's ways to get around that.

Well, how so? Instead of using the same cameras. But didn't you say they should pull out the cameras they used 20 years ago in order to get that look?

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, how so? Instead of using the same cameras. But didn't you say they should pull out the cameras they used 20 years ago in order to get that look?

i said that's what i would have done. I find it a very interesting concept. If you want an old movie, use an old camera. Photographers do it all the time with old cameras.

[sithgoblin]

i said that's what i would have done. I find it a very interesting concept. If you want an old movie, use an old camera. Photographers do it all the time with old cameras.

It's not just cameras and lenses. Film stock has completely changed since then as well, and this affects the look just as much.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's not just cameras and lenses. Film stock has completely changed since then as well, and this affects the look just as much.

agrees

[JAK®]

that's a strange comment, Jak (Registered). It's such a general statement. I mean, I saw the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones as a kid too. Who hasn't?
Basically, a lot of fan outrage for this movie is based on wanting to protect their childhood heroes from the 'evils' of modern technology. In other words, these people were happiest as children and reject the adulteration of childhood memories.

[The Amazing Lee]

I don't think the technology is mainly to blame...it's the director's (or the producer in this case) priority to care more about the visuals than the story, which is why Indy ultimately didn't live up to the originals, especially Raiders of the lost ark.

What Raiders did was to take a genre that was dying out and to bring it back in the guise of a Hollywood movie. Essentially Indy was elaborating and borrowing from a formula whilst initially adding it's own unique style in a gritty but fresh take on the saturday serials.

I think what the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull did was to cram as much background knowledge about the 1950s taking the homage a step further and instead of this world built around and for Indy and his exploits, it felt as if this extreme focus on the Cold war made it feel as if Indy was simply dropped into it, not adding anything to his character but simply a "see what we did there...look we're making a film about the 1950s with Indy in it."

I just think that they focused way too much on the mis-en-scene and getting the Indy feel to the locations and the indy formula that they initially forgot about the characters and the only thing that stopped it being another generic action film was the fact that it had Indiana Jones in it himself.

Maybe I'm rambling on but at times it felt as if they had a bucket with scenario options in it and Lucas and the screenwriter simply picked out the notes at random and put them together without much thought.

I don't hate the film...just didn't think it added much to Indiana Jones...

...like Spielberg said...he made this for the fans, and because of this he made a film that had everything that made up all of the previous films without adding anything new, engaging or brilliant.

[Bim]

Basically, a lot of fan outrage for this movie is based on wanting to protect their childhood heroes from the 'evils' of modern technology. In other words, these people were happiest as children and reject the adulteration of childhood memories.
I've never heard it verbalized it this way, but i gotta say u could have a valid point there :cwink:

I've said a few times that the movies that had a big impact on us as children are a very tough sale when it comes to sequels, because we already have an idea of what they are and what they should be.

[GhostPoet]

Lucas uses movies as a testing ground for new technology, rather then getting a good story out there and allowing new tech to help it along.

[Sam Fisher]

So when Lucas does the Special Editions of these movies, maybe Spelberg can have him replace Indy's whip with a walkie talkie.

[JAK®]

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that the majority of complaints this movie receives is because of hatred for George Lucas rather than the movie itself.

[Bim]

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that the majority of complaints this movie receives is because of hatred for George Lucas rather than the movie itself.
Indeed :hehe:

People seem to forget the fact that Spielberg agreed to direct it AND Harrison agreed to star in it because they liked the concept they came up with (and it took a while considering the gap between the Last Crusade and this movie). But's it's just easier to vent out the Lucas-raped-my-childhood rage this way :cwink:

[Alien Anal]

here is some weird information i found out

A friend of mine was the creator of the crystal skull and he said it is a really really cheap prop

[JAK®]

here is some weird information i found out

A friend of mine was the creator of the crystal skull and he said it is a really really cheap propIt probably was.

[I'm Old Greg]

i'm watching this movie now on BLURAY. and my GOD is it awful....:csad:

doesn't it just have odd editing through out it? it just doesn't flow right.

and it looks like the movie was shot on set in front of a blue screen most of the time...it also has a odd haze about it...maybe to wash out peoples wrinkles? i dunno but its not great looking makes the film look even more fake.

and the shots of the acting is terrible...

for instance, the part when Mutts Mom yells look out, she wiggles her hands about. You'd think she would grab her son and pull him down so he wouldn't get shot. instead she wiggles and points at him...:huh:

this movie is just very strange...

i watched the making of feature how Speilberg hated the alien idea...and the names they were going to go with, Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men....

Spielberg is overrated and or lost it....and Lucas is a hack...

Harrison Ford deserved better than this...

and Shya geting a nod at the end of becoming the next Indy...funny how No one likes the Idea or wants it....seems like No one wanted the movie they dished out either,.

and also the hat....they got it wrong....ever noticed how it kept unforming? the crown of it would pop up or whatever making it look like crap through out the movie.

[JAK®]

The movie was great I thought.

[I'm Old Greg]

and what was up with that Mac guy calling indy, Jonesy....it was really ridiculous how many times he backstabed him...

[Octoberist]

mac was very underdeveloped. Even my friends who liked the movie didn't like his character because there wasn't much to him.

[Bim]

I personally didnt care for Mac, so i think i'm gonna have to agree with u, Octoberist ... i honestly didnt care if he died or not at the end, so i guess that says it all.

[GhostPoet]

What this movie needs...is a CGI semi-talking dog.

[The Amazing Lee]

I liked Mac but he was one dimensional, I just wish he was a little bit more fleshed out.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I wished that too. I like the character, it was just his execution. He didn't need to die. He could of been just smacked in the face and knocked out by Indy at the end like Yuri was in the Darabont draft. That was a great draft, but alot of things could of gone. Fused that with this film and the Darabont draft and Indy 4 would make alot of people happy. I mean a giant snake eating Indy? Do you know how much of an outcry that would caused? Worse than the monkeys and aliens probably. Guys you may think Lucas is insane, but he passed that up thankfully.

Personally, the Darabont draft felt like a cry to the oringinal three. Like we NEEDED to have Nazis to ebe like the other films, we NEEDED to have Indy riding a horse again.

[I'm Old Greg]

Mac running to save himself was such an odd out take...

speilberg really shot this movie off"....Mac just stops and goes back for jewlry, it just looked odd. it was like someone told him to do it with out an acting....i can't explain it but thats how the movie seemed...

another strange aspect, how Indy would talk to the Marion or whatever Mutt", and the Russians would just stang there (like the extras they were excited to be in a sppeilberg film) and allow them to gab. it was just odd...

and action scenes, like that huge wheel metal thing coming out them thats splits the jeep but the jeep doesn't even wiggle or have any impact of movement from that thing that tore through a huge Tire on the hood...

the movie was just off..

[I'm Old Greg]

Yeah, I wished that too. I like the character, it was just his execution. He didn't need to die. He could of been just smacked in the face and knocked out by Indy at the end like Yuri was in the Darabont draft. That was a great draft, but alot of things could of gone. Fused that with this film and the Darabont draft and Indy 4 would make alot of people happy. I mean a giant snake eating Indy? Do you know how much of an outcry that would caused? Worse than the monkeys and aliens probably. Guys you may think Lucas is insane, but he passed that up thankfully.

Personally, the Darabont draft felt like a cry to the oringinal three. Like we NEEDED to have Nazis to ebe like the other films, we NEEDED to have Indy riding a horse again.


the ONLY Reason why Lucas took out a snake eating Indy is, no more money to make off Ford as Indy if that happened...thats all that is. cause Lucas is hack for some time.

[Bim]

the ONLY Reason why Lucas took out a snake eating Indy is, no more money to make off Ford as Indy if that happened...thats all that is. cause Lucas is hack for some time.
:whatever:

I think my problem with Mac was his constant change of loyalties. Had they done that ONCE and towards the end, i think it would have been better, cause we would have had more time to get to know him and maybe like him more. But he was revealed a traitor from the start, so for me that was it.

[cerealkiller182]

I liked Mac as the opportunist who wasnt completely amoral. He was working with the bad guys but was still looking out for Indy. I think they should have kept going with that direction instead of the double agent stuff which was really silly by the end.

[Doctor Jones]

the ONLY Reason why Lucas took out a snake eating Indy is, no more money to make off Ford as Indy if that happened...thats all that is. cause Lucas is hack for some time.

My God. People like you need to move on and find some more hobbies than SW and these films if that's what's all your life is all about. And people like you that all you do is come to the SW and these threads just somewhere to bash Lucas just for the sake of it REALLY need to find some more time with your life.

Because you know, these are just films at the end of the day. Not your damn life.

[Doctor Jones]

I liked Mac as the opportunist who wasnt completely amoral. He was working with the bad guys but was still looking out for Indy. I think they should have kept going with that direction instead of the double agent stuff which was really silly by the end.

Well, he's going to be featured in the book coming out this spring with Indy so we could see that. I'm really looking forward to it.

[JAK®]

My God. People like you need to move on and find some more hobbies than SW and these films if that's what's all your life is all about. And people like you that all you do is come to the SW and these threads just somewhere to bash Lucas just for the sake of it REALLY need to find some more time with your life.

Because you know, these are just films at the end of the day. Not your damn life.

But but... Lucas raped their childhoods!

[I'm Old Greg]

My God. People like you need to move on and find some more hobbies than SW and these films if that's what's all your life is all about. And people like you that all you do is come to the SW and these threads just somewhere to bash Lucas just for the sake of it REALLY need to find some more time with your life.

Because you know, these are just films at the end of the day. Not your damn life.


true words spoken with the guy with Han Solo in his avatar and Doctor Jones as his handle :whatever:

if that were true about me you wouldn't give such a damn. You miss took me for yourself:o

[Doctor Jones]

true words spoken with the guy with Han Solo in his avatar and Doctor Jones as his handle :whatever:

if that were true about me you wouldn't give such a damn. You miss took me for yourself:o

:huh:

I have no problem with Indy 4 or the prequels? And I still would give a damn as well. I give a damn about all the damn fanboys who keep moaning and complaining when this thing happened TEN YEARS AGO. Because its annoying as hell and people now just do it just for the sake of it. Lucas is actually an incredible storyteller, and even though you may not agree with him, um... he still created Star Wars you know. His films, his vision, whataver the hell he can do with them.

[I'm Old Greg]

why do you care so much what i said"?

i never brought up the prequels, what a star warz?

[Doctor Jones]

why do you care so much what i said"?

i never brought up the prequels, what a star warz?

Because you like many, come here and just call Lucas a hack when we just in conversation. It's like every page needs a "Luas is a hack" comment in it on these kind og theads which is tiring.

And I don't really know what you mean about "what a star warz?"

Did you mean what's Star Wars or what about Star Wars?

[I'm Old Greg]

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[Doctor Jones]

"As long as their is man there will always be war."

[I'm Old Greg]

eunuch?

[Doctor Jones]

eunuch?

:huh:

[Bim]

But but... Lucas raped their childhoods!
:hehe:

Doctor Jones: I didnt know Mac was going to be featured in the book that's coming out... it should be interesting to see some of their adventures together though, cause from the movie one gets the feeling that they had many.