New X-Men: Academy X

[Joaqenix]

New X-Men

Craig Kyle and Chris Yost(writers) & Paco Medina(artist)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7987/20nxmc0dl.jpg

Characters: Surge, Elixir, Dust, Hellion, Rockslide, Mercury, X-23

Supporting Characters: Emma Frost, Cyclops, Prodigy (de-powered), Stepford Cuckoos, Anole, Icarus (dead?)

Storyline Info: M-Day has shaken the students at the Xavier Institute to their cores, and many friends can no longer stay. But when major enemies from both the past and the future rear their heads, will the kids that remain even survive to see their possible futures as X-Men?

Snazzy first post thanks to Specter313

New X-Men = best X-book out there by far.

[Nightwolf]

I do like this book at the moment but I am also for the change thats coming up. If I were to pick a team for this book, everyone in the new roster would be who I'd choose, well except Rockslide who I'd swap with Wind Dancer. Murcury is my favorite.

[Joaqenix]

I actually like the team too...but I'd switch Rockslide for Wind Dancer also. I'm just glad Tag is gone. What a worthless character story-wise. And Prodigy has very boring powers.

[BrianWilly]

Personally I'm surprised that Wallflower is not amongst the people you listed, considering her father is supposed to be a part of the teaching staff in the fall.

I really like this book. It's not perfect, but it's got a lot of heart and so much besides going for it. Bad enough that the creative teams are changing, but it sucks that House of M is going to be screwing up the squads...one more reason to hate it.

[usagicassidy]

I just hope I still like it after the mix up. Right now New is my favorite book.

[JewishHobbit]

I agree. This book is great! Personally Prodigy is my favorate character so I'm a little upset to see him not on the main roster. This new roster really seems to be more like the Hellions with a couple new additions. Granted the Hellions are a better team than the New Mutants but still. I'm okay with loosing Tag though I like his role as Hellion's best friend. I like Laurie but if any of the NM's had to go it was her,..she was just boring. I'm a little put out that Wither, Icaris, and Winddancer are gone. And I HATE that Prodigy is gone!

Oh well,.. I'm not one to complain so I'll still read it and I'm sure I'll love it. I hope that so many characters aren't just thrown away though.

[chamber-music]

I want to see Prodigy and surge get together for real.

[usagicassidy]

Okay what is happeneing in this whole House of M thing? I didn't know what the ramifications of this would be and I just picked up issue 16 (not sure if I ever got 15) and am severly confused, and dissappointed. I'm guessing this is one of those 'temporary alternate' things because they don't have the same history, but when is it going to go back to normal? Thumbs down to this issue.

[JewishHobbit]

I loved the issue myself, but mostly for the cameos... Synch and Doug Ramsey specifically!

And this is do to the House of M where Magneto and Wanda wiped out the universe and started a new one in their image. This is Academy X in that world. It is just a temporary thing but it's going to have major ramifications all over the Marvel Universe apparently and according to all the news reports it really is going to have an impact and not be just another small change (like AoA ended up being,.. only 4 survivors and not much else).

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Love th' book. Hopefully it doesn't go through cancellation hell like another great an' underrated book. *Cough* Spider-Girl *Cough*

[usagicassidy]

Yeah I loved seeing Synch too. But Soorya or however you spell her name, wow completely different.

[chamber-music]

:0 The other thing I like about New X Men Academy is how they don't forget dead characters like Northstar, Magik, Cypher and Synch.

[afmvdp]

I actually hope that the house of M really does shake up alot of things and make some changes to the boring marvelverse as it exists... but considering just how MANY changes they are doing it is hard to believe... for instance killing off Mr. Fantastic and Sue storm. Do I hope it's true? Yes. Is it likely though... not really.

[ghost113]

i like davids character his powers are boring but he is a minority and i am cool with minority the writers should just amp his powers up. im happy there getting rid of tag and rockslide. plain sucky characters they are.

[ghost113]

also synch was an asum character glad to see him back even just for a little while.

[ghost113]

I just saw a cover for New X-men #20 and rockslide is still in it but it's that htey are adding X-23. she is good to be in this book and not in Uncanny X-men.

[Harlekin]

A Doug Ramsey cameo? Which issue and what happened? I may have to get that one.

[ghost113]

issue 16

[ghost113]

he really didnt do anything

[Kevin]

Also 17

[SMroxs]

I read the first couple issues of this book and then quit. I think Generation X did the whole jr. X-Men thing much better. But then I've never really liked all these kids hanging around the X-Mansion anyway. They need to be off in a seperate school like Gen X was.

I've been reading it again for the House of M ties in (which I like :) )and I'll keep reading afterwards to see if I like the new team, but none of these kids seem particularly interesting to me.

[squeekness]

I only picked up this book for Icaris. If Jay is gone I guess I'll be dropping it. I like mostly the older characters anyway. It's not a bad book, just not for me.:O

[Kevin]

I only picked up this book for Icaris. If Jay is gone I guess I'll be dropping it. I like mostly the older characters anyway. It's not a bad book, just not for me.:O

I made a deal with myself. If Kevin or Jay dies I'm dropping It. If Jay loses his powers I might drop it.

[ghost113]

JAy and kevin are cool but for some reason prodigy and elixir are my favorites.

[ghost113]

Also on the cover of issue 20 it looked as if everyone is on new squads.

[ghost113]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/newxmen20.jpg

New X-men Academy X #20

[Colossal Spoons]

That isnt' a "new" squad, that is THE squad. HoM is supposed to put a huge dent in the number of students at Xaviers so those kids you see above are the new main kids on New X-Men. I'm happy with the team, although I with Jay could have stayed. I'm a sucker for Guthries. :up:

[ghost113]

But notice how everyone is wearing different uniforms.

[JewishHobbit]

Man,.. what storylines are they going with? Every main connections, love or otherwise, is lost!

Hellion liked Sofia but Sofia is gone
Surge liked David but David is gone
Mercury liked Kevin but Kevin is gone
Elixer liked Laurie but Laurie's gone
Hellion's best friend was Tag but Tag's gone
Elixer was David's roommate but David's gone

The only connection I can see is that Surge is still with her roomie Dust.

Other than that whole new connections need to be made with this crew. I'm game as I love this book thus far but I do have to say I am a little nervous as so many of my favorate characters are missing from that cover.

[ctvampslayer]

Love the book, love the new creative team. I'm not worried at all, they've said the other New Mutants and Hellions will make appearances.

[JewishHobbit]

Okay good,... I must have missed that part. I was hoping they weren't going to just flat out drop them.

[Generation Lee]

From uncannyxmen.net

Trevor -- Speaking of the cast, I know that you’ve already confirmed who they will be, but can you go down the list of cast members that will make up the core lineup of the book and tell us a little about why you picked each character?

Kyle -- I don’t think Chris and I have confirmed who the final cast will be BUT I can tell you that all of the New Mutants and Hellions play a big part in our run. As to the kids in the other squads, they are in the story but aren’t focused on like the New Mutants and Hellions.

Yost -- For me, it’s all about conflict. Which characters make for really dramatic interactions? And what kind of drama do you get out of the absence of certain characters? When characters are given burdens and responsibilities, and don’t have anything or anyone to fall back on? Every character we’ve chosen is going to be put in situations that will test them, and the inclusions and exclusions were chosen for those reason.

And of course, on top of all of that, the inclusion of relatively unknown X-23 into the mix will provide its own kind of drama.

[ghost113]

I myself really like the new look of the book. everyone looks a bit older. like what happens to normal teens during the summer.

[Generation Lee]

OK quickly changing my mind about the new writers althought finger's crossed. The Scott and Jean of the X Writers are allowed to return

From Newsarama.com

NRAMA: What do you guys have in mind for the next generation of X-Men post-HoM, should you have stayed on with the book? Nunzio had earlier mentioned about an arc with Cessily, Laurie and Sean…

CW: Our next story would have focused on Sean Garrison coming to the school as the new guidance counselor. He would have gotten close to Laurie, by removing Laurie's mom (who was the moral compass for Laurie) from the equation. And with their combined pheromone powers, they would basically take over the school. The students and teachers would have fallen under the influence of Garrison's pheromones. And only Cessily (who we established as immune way back when) would be free. She would have to convince Laurie (her romantic rival and ex-roommate) to turn against her father and the two would have to work together to save the school.

NRAMA: And beyond that?

ND: Beyond that, we had hoped to take the kids to Nova Roma - we had Amara join the cast, and we wanted a big adventure tale. Then there was a lot of romance and interpersonal plans we had for down the line. The most developed plan was to eventually have Icarus convert to Islam to win the heart of Dust. We wanted to play with how the Guthrie clan (and characters like Cannonball and Husk) would react to one of the siblings converting.

I knew Icarus would convert he had so much repect for Dust, I loved that the backwater hick could be more open minded than the "westernised" girl.

[Colossal Spoons]

Like I said earlier, HoM is supposed to majorly lower the number of mutants, especially students at Xaviers so anybody you don't see in the new team could potentially be dead. Look at the most recent issue, they're all fighting each other...to the death thanks to Laurie's pheromones. We'll see.

[usagicassidy]

How rediculious is it that a big comic shop, located right outside of MSU, so it's not in a small area, DOESN'T carry Academy X or even know what it is?!

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, that's a shame.

[Nightwolf]

I think I would have liked the arc about Cessily.

[JewishHobbit]

I think I would have too. Anyhow,.. I just wanted to say that I am loving House of M (academy x). This is the first time that I can see how interesting and powerful a character Laurie can be. I REALLY hope Synch somehow lives through HoM,.. I really want him to come back!

[Colossal Spoons]

Too true, for Wallflower to cause a telepath as powerful as Quentin to kill himself is just unbelievable. What I don't get is how he didn't pick up her thinking about using her pheromones on him?

[Generation Lee]

Because she was manipulating his emotions to the point he couldn't read her mind. Remember sometimes powers are tied to emotions, Quentain would probably need a very clear head to focus and pick up on thoughts. Laurie is SHIELD so she knows how to deal with telepaths even Omega type.

I agree with JewsHobbitt about the current HOM storyline. I really like the homage they are paying to the first New Mutants team but at the same time having it about their New Mutants. Also Jubliee impressed power ways very nice.

[ghost113]

I hope thet icarus and kevin come back. they were pretty cool.

[Muze]

the colors in that pic hurt my eyes. and the designs are kind of bland. but oh well. i'm sure something good will come out of this lineup.

[ghost113]

i think separating teammates will make for good storylines.

[FieryBalrog]

Why the hell is Rockslide being kept after the revamp, he's probably the most boring character out of the entire Academy X cast. Put Prodigy in his place!

[ghost113]

i agree. i always thought rockslide was there for one reason to be the hellions powerhouse. He is not even an interesting character in the hellions mini series.

[JewishHobbit]

I personally love Rockslide,.. but remember... these are new writers who has a plan for each character on this team. They could potentially make him more interesting for you. Maybe they have some big story in mind that will bring out some great depths to the charcter. You never know until you read it!

[FieryBalrog]

I personally love Rockslide,.. but remember... these are new writers who has a plan for each character on this team. They could potentially make him more interesting for you. Maybe they have some big story in mind that will bring out some great depths to the charcter. You never know until you read it!


Possibly.

Or he could remain the Thing minus personality.

+ detachable limbs.

[JewishHobbit]

but hey,.. those detatchable limbs can go a long way!

[chamber-music]

it seems to me they got rid of the intresting characters and left us with the boring ones. The only member left on the team that interests me is elixer other than that the rest are kinda blah.

[ghost113]

hopefully they will make him more interesting but chamber-music has a point where are all the good chracterdslike jay, wither laurie, and windsong.

[mightiest_mortal]

Personally i found most of the New Mutants to be a bit boring and Goodytwoshoesy. The writing was very good.. but not particularly realistic for people of their ages.
I hope this change in the team makes them standout a bit more and be a lot more interesting.

[ghost113]

for some reason i feel that they aren't teens who play around and play jokes on each other while still trying to manage passing math and trying to learn how to use their powers.

[Generation Lee]

Ok I just think Josh converting to Islam would be a great development story for all the cast. IMO of course.

They seemed goodytwoshoes but come on every X-Man who were not a villian started of kinda like this anyway the Hellions were there to remind us all that there are various degrees of teenagers and they're behaviour.

[JewishHobbit]

I was a goodytwoshoes growing up and my circle of friends, about 30 or so,.. were all just like me. So When I read the New Mutants I find that I can relate to them more than the Hellions. I think the writers have done a great job relating the differant lifestyles of teenagers.

[ghost113]

wolverine wasn't a villian neither was most of generation x. Skin and synch weren't goodytwoshoes. don't even say anytihng about them being killed off either.

[OutcryX]

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[ghost113]

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[OutcryX]

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[ghost113]

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[OutcryX]

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[ghost113]

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[OutcryX]

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[ghost113]

i surrender. now what was this tread about?

[FieryBalrog]

it seems to me they got rid of the intresting characters and left us with the boring ones. The only member left on the team that interests me is elixer other than that the rest are kinda blah.

Personally I think Hellion and Surge are two of the more interesting characters- especially Hellion. Still can't figure out the rest, though.

Oh, and I like Mercury too. Wheres Prodigy, though?

[FieryBalrog]

Ok I just think Josh converting to Islam would be a great development story for all the cast. IMO of course.

huh? why? :confused:

They seemed goodytwoshoes but come on every X-Man who were not a villian started of kinda like this anyway the Hellions were there to remind us all that there are various degrees of teenagers and they're behaviour.
Well, theyre really not that goody-two-shoes except maybe David, whos so far into it though that its kind of interesting. Consider Laurie abuses her pheromones, Josh was basically using Laurie as the rebound from dating a teacher, Surge is a temperamental hothead, and... well yea, Icarus is a total bore.

[mightiest_mortal]

Yeah.. Jay converting to Islam just to pull a girl?
Sounds a bit shallow to me.

[ctvampslayer]

Picked up #18 yesterday. All I can say is wow. Bad Laurie.

[ghost113]

hopefully the writers can make icarus interesting

[ghost113]

Maybe He'll use his other powers finally, the other new mutants besides Surge use thier powers alot or for fun.

[Colossal Spoons]

Elixir can't use his powers for fun. This "healing a person to death" thing he did to Noriko was clever though.

[ghost113]

he COULD HAVE SOMEONE DIE AND THEN BRING THEM BACK TO LIFE.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, that's just F'in mean. He obviously can't bring people back from the dead. He tried pretty damn hard with Northstar.

[ghost113]

Okay, then does anyone know the limitations of his powers.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nope, they haven't really explored the limits of any of their powers except for Prodigy.

[ghost113]

Okay whatever

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't sound so defeated, we weren't arguing lol. You asked a question and I answered.

[ghost113]

No Iam saying like okay lets talk about something else from new x-men academy x

[Kevin]

well i guess ima get issue 19. it may be my last but i'll see if that holds up

[JewishHobbit]

Really? Why the last? The new stuff seems interesting for what I've seen.

[ghost113]

looks like they are trying to mature the characters which looks like a good thing from the covers we have seen

[Kevin]

because i really want jay or kevin to be in the book. but i might still get it...maybe

[JewishHobbit]

They did say that you'll still see characters that we know and love,.. just that their not a part of that main team. I think Jay and Kevin will still be around. And besides, it would suck if they are gone,.. but the new creative team could build up the other characters to where you may ending up liking them more,.. you never know until you give it a try.

[ghost113]

who is kevin is he wither

[ctvampslayer]

Yes.

[ghost113]

has anyone done fan art of this charcters they all have so much potential

[JewishHobbit]

I wouldn't mind seeing that myself.

[ghost113]

it would be cool wouldn't it' too bad i can't draw

[kent brockman]

rogue, wolverine, and wither should all hold hands. wonder what would happen.

[Joaqenix]

SPOILERS first off, for #19 and the Yearbook.

Well, the yearbook was pretty pointless and just tied up some loose ends. Not much to talk about...I wouldn't even really recommend it unless you really love Academy X.

19 had lots of craziness in it though. What I want to know is, is Laurie dead? I mean, I know she is in the House of M world, but do we know if that means shes also dead in the 616 universe? I don't know if they've clarified that...

[Colossal Spoons]

I think HoM deaths carry over into 616. R.I.P. Quill, Laurie, Synch, that Cuckoo, and maybe Noriko and Ms. Moonstar

[BrianWilly]

I don't think they've made a public announcement about it yet, but my instinct is that it wouldn't carry over. Or else Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben are going to be alive again, and Reed and Sue Richards are going to stay dead, etc etc. Plus, Noriko is going to be on the new team.

As I said in another thread...even under the influence of the utter SUCK that is House of M, New X-Men still manages to be awesome. Dang.

[Kevin]

but the thing is, wanda made gwen and ben so thery are NOt real. wallflower and the rest are. wanda did not make everthing in new x-men 19 happen, things JUST happened. it looks to me (as it should be) that everyone who died in HOM are very much dead. wallflower was real and she was really stabbed. i dont hate her but i dont care if she's dead (which she should be) HOM is just a blanket. a very, very thin blanket.

[BrianWilly]

But members of the Fantastic Four really are dead in this universe, and I can't imagine Marvel planning on keeping them that way, so people who died because of Wanda probably aren't going to stay dead. Then again, maybe I'm giving too much credit to Marvel and Bendis in terms of them keeping consistency between books.

[JewishHobbit]

I actually think I'd prefur those who die in HoM stay dead,.. but with the FF I doubt that's going to happen.

[Kevin]

the FF are not dead tho, wanda put them somewhere like she put Prof. X. i mean did the FF die on panel? if they did then they are dead. we've seen people stabbed and again, that was very real.

[Colossal Spoons]

^^ True, were the FF members' deaths on panel like the NXM kids' were? If so, then R.I.P.

The only death I wish hadn't happened was Quill, I reall liked him. That cuckoo will be missed also.

[JewishHobbit]

I'll read it tomorrow when I get it,.. but if it was Sophie or Esme,.. then they're both already dead. (Sophie died in Riot At Xaviers, and Sophie died in Planet X)

[house of f]

read what i found

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/NewXmen/ish20/Kyle_Yost.htm

[JewishHobbit]

Holy crap.... I love these guys!!!!! I got chills listening to what they had to say and now this has become my most anticipated book!!!! And I love that David, Sophia, and Jay are still going to be around! And this page is awsome!

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/NewXmen/ish20/NXM020016.jpg

[house of f]

yeah i know it looks realy,realy,realy cool

[ghost113]

I wonder why thet all are crying they probably realizing their powers from coming out of the warped reality of House of M

[house of f]

or there dream lifes have been took from them

[Colossal Spoons]

"Tag fans should say their goodbyes now...Sorry" YES!!!!!

JewishHobbit, I'm right there with you on being an NXM junkie. I'm one of the few Rockslide fans I know and I'm thrilled that he's on the team too. I'm also really anxious to see if they give Elixir some kind of offense as opposed to being "just a healer". We all saw what he did to Surge in HoM.

[Joaqenix]

Wow, the art looks amazing. I'm really excited for the next issue. House of M was fine and all, but I'm anxious to get back into the real world with this book.

New X-Men is, IMO, one of the strongest X-books out there right now.

Glad to see that most of the characters will still be around, but I couldn't care less that Tag is gone. Thank goodness. He was completely pointless and I normally forgot he was even in the book. I'm wondering if maybe Sofia loses her powers and thats why she isn't a main character, but she could be dating Julian or something and stick around that way. It just doesn't make sense for her to be pushed out of the forefront of the story.

[ghost113]

Good Point House Of F But Thats What I Meant And The Art Does Look Fantastic

[Generation Lee]

I was so hoping the four squads we saw in the year book stayed. OK alter Hellions and New Mutants a bit but in terms of student body I was hoping they would just remain but apparantly so is Gambit's lame ass squad, god if any students needed de powered or killed lol.

[ghost113]

yeah I really liked the look of rahne's squad and it could have been interesting to see other peoples squads

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit's squad looks really interesting though. Their powers are ambigious and they don't even have first names as of yet. I think good things can be done with them.

[ghost113]

Screw them the are stupid and they didn't even show up in new x-men

[Colossal Spoons]

You wanted MORE characters in NXM? I like that they kept them in another book. The mansion is a HUGE place, it can hold lots of students. Way too many for just one book.

[ghost113]

Yeah but not gambits his is riduculous and I should have clarified what i meant. I meant to see more of the squads we know of like cyclops, icemans

[JewishHobbit]

I actually really liked Gambit's squad. I thought they were more interesting than Northstar's or Rahne's.

And between the Hellions mini and House of M,.. I really grew to like Tag's character,.. his powers were alright, but his character was great! I kinda wish they'd keep him around, if anything, just make him powerless, but staying there in fear of being hunted as a former mutant or something. He had a good co-leader quality about him. And I think they could have played his powers up more,.. instead of running from his "tag",.. they could evolve that to differant emotions than fear,.. everyone could love, or hate, the person who was it,.. or maybe everyone would no longer "see" the person who was it,.. stuff like that. Maybe he's just learned the first fraction of his powers,.. etc. And while I'm not black,.. I do see the lack of good black characters in the marvel universe, and I think he could be evolved into a great one!

[kent brockman]

i wanted to see the yearbook put gambits squad in, and make up a few more. show us who has some of these kids (like the piano playing girl... or what that a cuckoo?... a few in astonishing anyways) that appear from time to time.


on another note, unrelated and off topic (kinda)... wheres carter? did they just ignore his new invisible friend?

[JewishHobbit]

Pretty much,.. yup. I just pretend it was Jeffrey,.. it seems to be the only thread that can tie with it enough.

[Colossal Spoons]

Not only Carter and his friend AND his mom Annie(I know they ran away but to where?) but where's that ghost kid they found in the mansion?

[Generation Lee]

Isn't the Ghost kid attending the lower school ran by Karma.

Anyway getting back to Gambit's squad I mean they seem to be the same powered mutants that's the problem. A diamond like girl and a Rock guy a flubber guy and a kid made of water way too similar. They just seemed lasy on Milligan's part.

Talking of Tag I think if he dies or is de powered it may just work in his favour if wriitten well fan reaction could suprise you. Would have prefered him over whiter as one Rogue type character is bad enough.

[kent brockman]

that ghost kid was the biggest mistake of a character i ever seen.

[ghost113]

He was okay considering that he is still in the series and can possibly even become more powerful. As for Gambit's squad screw them they were useless and to emotional even if the were brought into this series what could the writers do with, the look like a bunch of villlains.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll agree, they do look like villains.

[JewishHobbit]

I liked Jeffrey myself (the "ghost kid"). He was originally shown in X-Treme X-Men before he died,... so it was a good nod toward other students from other books... and it showed that Magneto's destruction did have casualties. And, If I'm remembering correctly, didn't he die while teleporting? Thus killing his physical body and only his spirit living on? If I am remembering that correctly, i think it's a cool idea.

[kent brockman]

what about those kids from the gambit series, that he was teaching? i dont even remember what they looked like, were they in his recent squad?

[JewishHobbit]

I didn't actually read his series,.. I plan on getting them as back issues.

[Generation Lee]

So juding from what we know can we actually say that the mutant poulation is going to decress so dramatically post HOM? Or is it jus a ban on making new characters and helping to flesh out those who have been around years but have had nothing done to them by any writer.

[JewishHobbit]

It looks like a lot of mutants will be loosing their powers to me... look at the covers to Generation M. Chamber is on issue 1 and below him is another small pic of him with smoke coming from his chest. Issue two has Jubilee,.. and the small pic is of her sitting on a chair,.. kinda dark,... third issue is Blob,.. and the small pic os of a skinny man in baggy cloths walking. I think most of the mutants aren't going to die,.. they're going to be depowered.

[Ratcrawler]

Tag's powers were pretty lame, but character-wise he was pretty well written lately. As for Gambit's squad, one of his students looked alot like a Pokemon...

http://pkpidgeot.com/imagenes/Kyogre.jpg

Anyway, I'm going to miss Sofia but am looking forward to see X23 join the team.

[Colossal Spoons]

X-23 is the one person I don't want on the team. She doesn't interest me in the least. We already have a savage mutant with claws on the team. I'd rather have one of the kids that were on Genosha in Excalibur liek Wicked, etc.

[ghost113]

The new revamp looks pretty kick ass and i'm glad they are taking these characters in a new direction. And those weren't baggy cloths that was his extra skin

[house of f]

i wish the students werent affectid but you cant get what you whant

[ghost113]

It is good that the students are being affected it shows how big house of m actually was

[LittleMissVixen]

I just read the last two trades of Academy-X and the Hellions mini-series. Its a shame Defilippis and Weir are off the books. I thought there stories were more interesting that the stuff going on in Uncanny and X-Men.

[ghost113]

I agree alittle bit my favorite storyline has to be "choosing sides" it showed the characters true self and how they really feel about things going on in their world

[Colossal Spoons]

I just read the last two trades of Academy-X and the Hellions mini-series. Its a shame Defilippis and Weir are off the books. I thought there stories were more interesting that the stuff going on in Uncanny and X-Men.

Yeah, those two were good but have you read the article about where the new guys are taking the book? I have no complaints.

[LittleMissVixen]

Yeah, those two were good but have you read the article about where the new guys are taking the book? I have no complaints.

I will wait-for-trade. Hopefully my issues with X-23 will subside by then...

[OutcryX]

Are the kids from Gen X too old to be students in New Mutants/New X-men?

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, and most of them aren't around anymore it looks like. Synch and Skin are dead, and according to the covers of Generation M Chamber and Jubilee have lost their powers after House of M. Monet is over in the new X-Factor book. So who's that leave? Husk, who's been an X-Man and wouldn't step down to be a student again. Though I wish Penance would show up somewhere!!!!

[ghost113]

Why did you cover up chamberr and jubilee names? OOOPs sorry

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Did Mondo die? Whatever happened to him? He died right?

Maybe Penance and Banshee will get their own mini series called "Penance and Banshee" where they have wacky adventures. Then, at the end, Penance kill Banshee then Shadow King comes and takes away Penance's powers. Then Penance and Shadow King start dating. And Leech is in it for some reason.

Probably not though

[usagicassidy]

I'd buy it.

[ghost113]

seems weird, but hey i'd buy it

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd have to pass lol.

[ghost113]

Me too i meant i would at least get the first ish

[JewishHobbit]

Why did you cover up chamberr and jubilee names? OOOPs sorry

As a cortesey to those who don't like spoilers, or knowing what's going to happen in the future.

[ghost113]

Yeah i didn't know you were trying to do that now i know.

[Joaqenix]

So, the new issue came out yesterday. And its pretty great. Its mainly a story showing what happens right after House of M, but I was really entertained by it. The new artist is amazing also. Love his work...a lot more than whoever it was doing the art during the New X-Men House of M. Lots of detail, and great facial expressions.

Just in case some people haven't picked it up yet, I won't go into spoilers or anything, but the last page was pretty crazy.

Also, to keep a tab on all the depowered students, right now I think its Wind Dancer, Tag, Prodigy. The seven who are on the cover obviously have theirs, and Wither, Wallflower, and Icarus all apprently have theirs as well. Same with the Stepford Cuckoos.

Crazy scene between Wither and Wallflower in there also... :(

[usagicassidy]

So this is the new issue with the new team and new writers?

GAH! Now I have to find a place that carries comic books...this isn't going to be easy...

Anyone know the Grand Rapids area well? Haha.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wither touching Wallflower was pretty bad lol; but nowhere near as messed up as Icarus lying on the ground, all bloody and wingless

Does this mean that Elixir and obviously negate Wither's touch now?

[Joaqenix]

So this is the new issue with the new team and new writers?

GAH! Now I have to find a place that carries comic books...this isn't going to be easy...

Anyone know the Grand Rapids area well? Haha.
You definitely need to pick it up! It was a great issue, and I feel like a great start to some new arcs for these characters. Go to www.marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com) and go all the way to the bottom of the page which has a comic store locator when you enter in your zipcode. I hope this website helps out, its how I found comic stores near my home/college when I decided to get back into reading recently.

[KingOfDreams]

Wither touching Wallflower was pretty bad lol; but nowhere near as messed up as Icarus lying on the ground, all bloody and wingless

Yeah. That was ****ed up. I mean, he had his wings earlier in the issue. maybe he tried to fly and it didn't work and he cut them off.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah, some sick sapien bastard must have done that!

[Valechan]

I bet it was Stryker because he's supposedly the bad guy for this series. What I'm bummed about is that Emma fired Dani.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, that was a little uncalled for.

I didn't know that Melodie Guthrie was at the institute, when did that happen? That family's got too many damn kids to keep track of.

[Valechan]

She showed up in Uncanny 444, maybe she was just visiting...

[AndThePickles]

I bet it was Stryker because he's supposedly the bad guy for this series. What I'm bummed about is that Emma fired Dani.

Emma seemed to be getting kinda tyrannical this past issue....I know she felt super under-pressure, etc, but it was still uncalled for.

[ghost113]

The place i got to didn't have it man i have to find a real comic store soon

[kent brockman]

wolverine didnt seem to like emma's decision.... wolverines going to kill her in her sleep for it....


holefully.

[KingOfDreams]

wolverine didnt seem to like emma's decision.... wolverines going to kill her in her sleep for it....


holefully.

Holefully? Fruedian slip, maybe? Anyway, if Wolverine were to do that I wouldn't mind.

[Colossal Spoons]

I know I wouldn't. I'm not a big fan of the Scott/Emma relationship.

[ghost113]

Me neither, scott needs to leave and find himself

[house of f]

victor has his powers

yay

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/news/newxmen21-5.jpg

[Generation Lee]

Could I just say that the new writers have me hooked. They handled the aftermath of HOM the way I was expacting and more. All of a sudden X-23 is interesting then again I've to remember CC was writing her for a time there.

I just cannot wait to the next issue and the poor person at the end hope they'll be OK I kinda like that character. It appears this will fill my astonishing gap until feb when both will probably be in my top 3 X books.

[house of f]

ow ididnt nowtist thats out of 21

[ghost113]

I didn't even get it yet so don't post spoilers please

[house of f]

ther you go wiked laguh

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=3010

[ghost113]

Boo you suck

[house of f]

evil lagh again

[house of f]

sorry i havent read 20 ether

[Specter313]

victor has his powers

yay

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/news/newxmen21-5.jpg

That's not a confirmation for anything. Icarus still has his wings, so it's likely that it is a flashback.

[Hellion]

I just hope I still like it after the mix up. Right now New is my favorite book.

:up: :up: :up: :up:

[ghost113]

Of course right now it still is my favorite

[White_Howling]

has Icarus met angel?

[ghost113]

he sould have considering they practically the same powers Flight and healing

[kent brockman]

wasnt it angel that flew down when icarus was stabbing himself in that story line right after magnetos funeral?

[ghost113]

when was this?

[kent brockman]

the story line immediatly before the reload.. on angels wings, or something like that... angel met jay hours after making out with paige in the sky.

[house of f]

if icaros has healing and added to elixirs omega power he could heal his wings back.

[house of f]

i cant wait till i can getmy hans on 20

[house of f]

oops

[Colossal Spoons]

if icaros has healing and added to elixirs omega power he could heal his wings back.

I dunno the extent that the 2 of them have; even out together. Jay heals others and Josh is still new to his powers.

[Star]

i hope they keep icarus around, because if he had his wings still, his healing powers would still be around too...? and maybe he CAN grow them back, since that picture was from #21?

sigh... :(

[Star]

jay can heal himself...

[ghost113]

Yeah he even tried to kill himself

[Generation Lee]

Saw preview pages for issue 21 and it shows us someone who has been in limbo since the end of one of the solo titles and it appears he has his power.

http://www.newsarama.com

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah he even tried to kill himself

Ah yeah, I forgot who healed him in "She Lies With Angels". His powers may still not be capable of that kind of regeneration though.

[kent brockman]

its x-men.... face it, if they have healing powers, they cant die.

last time i saw sabertooth, he was chopped up into hundreds of pieces by Wolverine. he'll be back soon like it never happened.

[ghost113]

I kind of hate that

[house of f]

hate what

[Colossal Spoons]

How people with healing factors are damn immortal.

[ghost113]

Yes exactly, except with wolverine

[house of f]

yeah unless there in a star

[kent brockman]

what do you mean 'except wolverine'?

name me one mutant with the ability to heal who has died. like said, the story that sammy was killed in, wolverine and sabertooth fought, and sabertooth was in piles of mush all over the place... you wouldnt have been able to tell it was once a person. i dont recall a funeral for sabertooth... havnt seen him since though, but he aint dead.

and i think your telling me wolverine isnt immortal? seriously? how many times has that guy supposingly died since 1975? he spent 3 months under a boulder and survived by eating flash on his arm that kept healing back in place. ive only read comics for a couple years now, and he's died about 10 times (yuriko in extreme, flew into the sun, before he worked for hydra in wolverine...)

[Joaqenix]

So, this is sort of random, but who out of this book could you actually see becoming full-fledged X-Men in the future?

Almost none of the "next-gen" mutants ever turn out as mainstays in the main X-books, but who really has the potential to be the next Cannonball or Husk. By relation I would have said Icarus, but he isn't looking so, well, "alive".

The only ones I can really see are Hellion, Elixir, Surge and maybe Mercury.

[Colossal Spoons]

When did Logan have to eat his arm!? Is it possible for him to die of starvation? I'm sure a writer could tweak his healing factor and have it keep him alive somehow.

Deadpool got killed by Agent Zero in DOFP.

[OutcryX]

Isn't Agent Zero also known as Maverick?

[Trigger]

So, this is sort of random, but who out of this book could you actually see becoming full-fledged X-Men in the future?

Almost none of the "next-gen" mutants ever turn out as mainstays in the main X-books, but who really has the potential to be the next Cannonball or Husk. By relation I would have said Icarus, but he isn't looking so, well, "alive".

The only ones I can really see are Hellion, Elixir, Surge and maybe Mercury.

Don't know why you consider that random, but Elixir, Dust,and Surge? Elixir's omega potential makes him a likely candidate, Dust had a cameo in The End series, something the other Academy X kids haven't done, and maybe Surge will join after gaining more control of her powers. Perhaps she could join Big Hero Six?
Also why are the Academy X kids fighting villains? We have at least 3 x-groups(plus reserves) that could handle a couple of villains. I wonder what will happen to the other squads?

[Star]

god, i hate dust. something about her just makes me mad. i cant put my finger on it, and im all for diversity but yeah, dont like the character.

elixir could definitely make it, same with surge. im also leaning towards hellion being able to 'make it' with the ''real'' x-men. and yeah, icarus, IF he's still a mutant with wings, but thats probably not going to happen. :( :(

[Trigger]

god, i hate dust. something about her just makes me mad. i cant put my finger on it, and im all for diversity but yeah, dont like the character.

elixir could definitely make it, same with surge. im also leaning towards hellion being able to 'make it' with the ''real'' x-men. and yeah, icarus, IF he's still a mutant with wings, but thats probably not going to happen. :( :(

Icarus will grow them, especially if he has help from Elixir. The same way you feel about Dust, I feel about Hellion. :( He's so generic to me. Nothing new about his powers, and he hasn't stood out to me. By the way is the Hellions mini any good?

[Star]

Icarus will grow them, especially if he has help from Elixir. The same way you feel about Dust, I feel about Hellion. :( He's so generic to me. Nothing new about his powers, and he hasn't stood out to me. By the way is the Hellions mini any good?

well, i liked it. its kind of a 'get one wish each' kind of story, i guess. kevin doesnt want his powers, mercury wants her parents to accept her, rockslide wants to be a wrestler (uhh...lame.), hellion wants to be famous, etc etc. even though i like new mutants better, the mini made me like the hellions too. kevin is one of my favourite characters too, so i liked him in this. but that damn dust... *shakes fist*

and yeah, i think icarus can grow them back too but... he's not on the new 'team' :(, instead we get crappy x-23. i hate her. hatehatehatehate her. and rockslide?! and DUST? i swear, they were like 'hmm, lets pick the three worst characters and make SURE they get on the new team'. i am glad elixir made it on though, like the ONLY one from new mutants urgh.

[Joaqenix]

Dust seems like a one-note character to me. All that they've done with the character is parade her around as the Muslim of the group. Which is fine, and its cool that they have diversity on the show, but they need to do MORE with her. I don't see her as a future X-Man.

I'm also annoyed with Rockslide's inclusion as I have no idea what his purpose is, but maybe they have something interesting planned for him? Whatever. I've accepted this for a while now.

I personally like Hellion. Even though he may seem sort of stereotypical, almost everyone was. With a cast of 12, its hard to really flesh out characters. Hopefully the new writers will take the time.

[Colossal Spoons]

Rockslide is necessary because every team needs some muscle. Just watchm he'll get more interesting and hopefully lose the projectile hands.

[Star]

yeah, i guess rockslide IS needed, but i still hate him, just like i hate the thing. i dont know why, but the whole rock-man thing just...sucks.

so the new team is (correct me if im wrong) surge, rockslide, elixir, dust, mercury, hellion, and that piece of crap. (x-23)

the only people im happy with are elixir and hellion. but im just going to have to deal with it, haha.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup, that's the team. I pray that X-23 gets dropped or killed sometime soon.

[ghost113]

what do you mean 'except wolverine'?

name me one mutant with the ability to heal who has died. like said, the story that sammy was killed in, wolverine and sabertooth fought, and sabertooth was in piles of mush all over the place... you wouldnt have been able to tell it was once a person. i dont recall a funeral for sabertooth... havnt seen him since though, but he aint dead.

and i think your telling me wolverine isnt immortal? seriously? how many times has that guy supposingly died since 1975? he spent 3 months under a boulder and survived by eating flash on his arm that kept healing back in place. ive only read comics for a couple years now, and he's died about 10 times (yuriko in extreme, flew into the sun, before he worked for hydra in wolverine...)


I was saying that I hate the healing factor except when it comes down to wolverine.

I, myself believe that many of them could become official x-men if they are trained a lil while longer especially elixir, hellion, and surge.

Elixir and Helion and rockslide have all gone on missions with the x-men.

[Star]

Yup, that's the team. I pray that X-23 gets dropped or killed sometime soon.

like thats going to happen... she's like, a female wolverine, and ... yeah, death= pretty much impossible.
if its anything like wolverine....
'woah, is that a smear of blood where x-23 used to be?!'
next issue: the return of x-23

[ghost113]

True

[OutcryX]

Yeah X-23 isn't gonna go anywhere....ever....She will become the next Wolverine....marvel's next marketable character...*hmm...what can be better than Wolverine? Hey i know! how about a younger more lethal more FEMALE version of Wolverine? Has the same powers, genes, except...let's give her a claw on each foot! That is awesome!*

[ghost113]

Thats why they put her in this book to get the rates higher but I think it is going to be the other characters that have been there since New mutants that will make this book like elixir and hellion

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Yeah X-23 is gonna go anywhere....ever....She will become the next Wolverine....marvel's next marketable character...*hmm...what can be better than Wolverine? Hey i know! how about a younger more lethal more FEMALE version of Wolverine? Has the same powers, genes, except...let's give her a claw on each foot! That is awesome!*

LOL!

Sadly im pretty sure thats exactly what marvel were thinking, that and ... hmm.. Wolverine sells ... boobs sell ... hmm.... booberine! I mean X-23!

[Star]

yeah, them adding her was like, an idiots guide to pleasing fans... or something

'wolverine+boobs=x-23' (as you said above)

but from what i hear people arent too happy? and when i say people I MEAN ME.

[Manic]

I just read the first Academy X Decimation issue. You know, I wasn't aware X-23's name was Laura X. I guess somebody gave it to her when I wasn't looking.

Personally, I can only hope the writing team makes that little b*tch Laura into something other than "Femmverine". I really want to like her. Make her likeable, Academy X writing team. Make her likeable!

[Generation Lee]

One question is her healing factor on par with Wolverines? I'm asking this because she is younger I just wondering if she has a healing factor that healings her in weeks and days instead of instantly??

[Manic]

One question is her healing factor on par with Wolverines? I'm asking this because she is younger I just wondering if she has a healing factor that healings her in weeks and days instead of instantly??
You say that like Logan's healing rate is consistent. Sometimes it takes him minutes to recover from being gutted; sometimes it takes him hours to recover from a stab wound.

[ghost113]

But he can get shot and get back up in a minute

[Star]

she's a piece of crap is all we need to know.


(well, im biased. if she turns out to be likeable i MIGHT stop hating her)

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll never forgive her for taking up precious team space that could have gone to a member from the old NXM squad. Jay maybe.

[ghost113]

Jay will probably be back it could have gone to wallflower or winddancer

[Kevin]

you people say you hate X-23. which one do you hate?

1. NYX X-23?
2. X-23 X-23 (her mini)?
or
3. UNCANNY X-MEN X-23?

[ghost113]

whats the difference and I myself don't mind her as long as ahe doesn't outshow the rest of the characters in New X-men

[Kevin]

well, i didnt think she was anything like wolvie when i read her in NYX. in fact, she really didn't talk or kill alot. In Ucanny she was a little angry for no reason. in the X-23 mini she wasn't that bad. she had issue but she wasn't that bad. i liked he base in NYX out of them all.

[ghost113]

I only firstsaw her in uncanny

[Kevin]

well, she was writing in Uncanny very wrong.

[ghost113]

I thought that was the way she was

[Trigger]

Rockslide is necessary because every team needs some muscle. Just watchm he'll get more interesting and hopefully lose the projectile hands.

bleh, isn't X-23 the muscle? Or is she supposed to be the courageous leader?:o Either way I feel that a new X-team is dumb. Keep the academy kids, academy kids.

[ghost113]

This is more of a rookie team of who are still being trained

[ctvampslayer]

I'm tired of all the hate for X-23. 75% of the haters haven't even given the character a chance, they just see claws and their eyes go red. Fanboys = teh suck.

[ghost113]

Dude you are a fanboy if you weren't you wouldn't be on this with a username
I think X-23 is cool but there was no need for her in the Marvel U

[Trigger]

Dude you are a fanboy if you weren't you wouldn't be on this with a username
I think X-23 is cool but there was no need for her in the Marvel U

I'm more upset about X-23 taking the place of my favorite regulars in the book, and the fact that she hasn't really been written well only makes me miss them more.

[ctvampslayer]

Dude you are a fanboy if you weren't you wouldn't be on this with a username
I think X-23 is cool but there was no need for her in the Marvel U

Um....hardly. My username is because I'm a Buffy fan. As for X-23, I'm talking about all the blind hate. On all the forums I go to a majority of people who trash X admit to never reading anything with her in it. It's just "Oh Wolverine is so overexposed! I h8 him! I will hate his clone too!"

[Manic]

Basically, Laura X gets trickle-down hate from people tired of Wolverine.

[Colossal Spoons]

you people say you hate X-23. which one do you hate?

1. NYX X-23?
2. X-23 X-23 (her mini)?
or
3. UNCANNY X-MEN X-23?

I first read her in Uncanny and I'll agree, she was angry for no reason. If these writers can do something good with her, maybe I'll retract my dislike for her; but as it stands, she's not a favorite of mine.

[Ratcrawler]

I rather like this group. While I do miss Sofia, I think with is a well rounded team; A telekinetic, a golem, a killing machine, a healer, a shapeshifter, an energy blaster and a smokescreen. I know there's alot of X23/Rockslide/Dust bashing but I always found Josh/Elixer unnappealing. It's like his only redeemable quality is his healing power. He didn't like mutants until he became one, tried to balance a relationship with a hot older teacher and the shy girl he stole from Whither (a much cooler character imo) and through it all he's been an angsty little jackass. Julian's an arrogant ass but somehow, he pulls it off. He's at least charming. Santo's pretty underdeveloped, sure, but I'd like to see what exactly made him embrace his powers at such a young age. I think Cessilly's a total fox even if she is liquid metal. I felt pretty bad for her during her reaction to still having powers even though they're awesome. I think Noriko's pretty badass. I imagine she'll have the most in common with X23, having lived on the streets and developed a somewhat surly exterior. Sooraya's probably the most morally outstanding of the group but she's far too modest to be all "holier than thou" so there's a sweet character in her. In fact I think she's one of the few characters whose personality outweigh her powers. Finally, we come down to X23 whom I liked in NYX and her miniseries but not so much in uncanny. This book will probably be the one to make or break her and it is her relationships with the rest of the team that will interest me most. Leadership rivalry with Hellion? Fastball sPecials with Santo?

[usagicassidy]

I loved X23 in NYX. Then she came to Uncanny and Claremont turned her into crap! And no one can argue that!!! She sucked in his book...wonder why.

[Star]

i still say x-23 sucks, i dont care what they do. it has nothing to do with 'wolverine hatred', i hate x-23 because she's so un-likeable. and her character development basically revolves around glaring and surly grunts. i liked laurie and jay, and they're pretty much spent, and dust is probably the worst character around. personality outweighs powers?

and err, for dusts 'great personality'...WHAT personality? her culture? that hardly qualifies as a 'great personality'. that would be like me saying nothing but 'i live in a house, and i wear clothes, sometimes i eat spaghetti, and i refuse to change this because it is how i was raised AND IT IS A PART OF ME GOD DAMNIT' and you all being like "oh MAH god she is the best person on these boards, not for post counts but for her personality alone!' (but i am just in a rage that icarus, winddancer and wallflower are all cut for this idiot...)

[Manic]

i still say x-23 sucks, i dont care what they do. it has nothing to do with 'wolverine hatred', i hate x-23 because she's so un-likeable. and her character development basically revolves around glaring and surly grunts.
What if they tone down the glaring and grunts? Hell, that might be the entire point of putting her in Academy X: to calm her the F down.

and err, for dusts 'great personality'...WHAT personality? her culture? that hardly qualifies as a 'great personality'. that would be like me saying nothing but 'i live in a house, and i wear clothes, sometimes i eat spaghetti, and i refuse to change this because it is how i was raised AND IT IS A PART OF ME GOD DAMNIT' and you all being like "oh MAH god she is the best person on these boards, not for post counts but for her personality alone!'
Well, I think Dust bounces well off of Surge and Icarus. She's clearly a neat-freak, and and we know that she's nice to even the people she dislikes (like Julian). I'm also interested to see how the writers handle her "odd couple" friendship with Surge. I felt that the previous writers brought up some interesting factors about Dust, but they didn't get around to developing her further because...
1) Dust was shoved onto the Hellion squad, and the book developed the New Mutants more
2) The previous writers only got to write 3 arcs and a few stand-alones before House of M and a new pair of writers gave them the shaft.

In fact, I'd say a lot of the character hate going on in this thread is focused on severely underdeveloped characters. Rockslide, Dust, Mercury; We don't know anything about these people. These are members of the Hellions squad who didn't get developed because Academy X focused on the New Mutants. And frankly, the Hellions miniseries was a total waste.

[ghost113]

I truely think all of this characters have potential to be greatt power and personality wise. the writers have to dig deep to come up with cool ideas and after decimation is over which i believe is holding this characters back the characters are all going to get more interesting.
one more thing i didn't like was david(prodigy) who was black but the should have just made him white which wouldn't really have made a difference. except the whole josh isn't going to like me because a majority and a mutie. But i'm not saying they should have made him into a thug or hoodlum but he just reminded me of all the other characters in the book

[Colossal Spoons]

And frankly, the Hellions miniseries was a total waste.

WHAT!? That was really their only time to shine outside of feuding with the New Mutants.

Ghost, why do you think David should have been white? So the book would be completely devoid of black people?

[ctvampslayer]

i still say x-23 sucks, i dont care what they do. it has nothing to do with 'wolverine hatred', i hate x-23 because she's so un-likeable. and her character development basically revolves around glaring and surly grunts. i liked laurie and jay, and they're pretty much spent, and dust is probably the worst character around. personality outweighs powers?

and err, for dusts 'great personality'...WHAT personality? her culture? that hardly qualifies as a 'great personality'. that would be like me saying nothing but 'i live in a house, and i wear clothes, sometimes i eat spaghetti, and i refuse to change this because it is how i was raised AND IT IS A PART OF ME GOD DAMNIT' and you all being like "oh MAH god she is the best person on these boards, not for post counts but for her personality alone!' (but i am just in a rage that icarus, winddancer and wallflower are all cut for this idiot...)

Grunting and snarling? Blame Claremont. Have you read the X-23 miniseries? You definitely can't deny the character development. Chris Claremont just didn't know what to do with her, and since the creators of X-23 are writing Academy X, I have no doubt she'll develop and mature.

Also, Dust rocks. How is she an idiot? And no, her culture does not make her a great character. She's the moral compass of a group of somewhat immature characters, she can definitely be a driving force, the heart of the team.

[Colossal Spoons]

^^Agreed. Without Dust, what kind of immoral trouble would Hellion get the team into?

[Star]

^^Agreed. Without Dust, what kind of immoral trouble would Hellion get the team into?

hellion isnt THAT bastardly... and dust pretty much does what he tells her to, especially when she was in the hellions...

but yeah, i'll tone down the x-23 and dust hatred until i see what they're going to do with them. and if jay makes it i will be one joyous girl. :)

[Manic]

one more thing i didn't like was david(prodigy) who was black but the should have just made him white which wouldn't really have made a difference.
Well, since him being black doesn't make a difference, why should he be white? Why not make him Chinese? Or Mexican? Or Filipino?

The way I see it, Prodigy's race makes so little difference in his character, the writers who created him could've just picked his skin color at complete random. There's no reason they should've made him anything, so there's no reason to complain.

[house of f]

nxm 20 was sold out at my local comic shop in chester so do any one know of a gallery of the initre book on the web

[ctvampslayer]

I think that's illegal.

[Colossal Spoons]

Try ordering #20 from your shop.

[house of f]

yeah your right i think i will

[ctvampslayer]

You won't be disappointed. It really is a great issue.

[Valechan]

Though I did enjoy the Hellions limited, I must admit I'm not happy that most current members are HEllions and that most New Mutants had been either de-powered or well, what happend to Jay (he was so cute... sigh). I will continue to read the book, but I have to say I did like it far more before HOM.

[ghost113]

Ghost, why do you think David should have been white? So the book would be completely devoid of black people?

Well, since him being black doesn't make a difference, why should he be white? Why not make him Chinese? Or Mexican? Or Filipino?

The way I see it, Prodigy's race makes so little difference in his character, the writers who created him could've just picked his skin color at complete random. There's no reason they should've made him anything, so there's no reason to complain.

I wasn't saying the writers made David too suburbinized and Manic is actually right his character could have been any race considering the way he was written, and no I don't want the book to not have black people in it, which they actually have done. I was just wondering why no kids from the streets or "ghetto" have ever gotten powers.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well with some mutations severely altering people's appearances, who knows who used to be black or even from the streets. I'd go as far to say that the blue kid and the girl from Gambit's squad in X-Men could be black.

[ctvampslayer]

Bling?

[usagicassidy]

That's a really interesting concept. All of the blue or green or purple mutants can't stay that color if they turn human. So what is their real ethnicity?