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Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 11:51 AM
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The ROLO Factor
Marvel's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Romance?
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An Essay By Dark Lightning AKA Lightning Strikez!
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the X-Men in the early 1960s, when the African-American civil rights movement was prominent in the news. Interestingly enough, both Stan and Jack are Jewish-Americans; consciously or unconsciously, perhaps they were really aiming at anti-Semitism. Decades later, it was Chris Claremont who established that Magneto, as a child, had been imprisoned at the Auschwitz Nazi Concentration Camps.
The point?
From the very beginning, Marvel Comics, and more specifically the X-Men, have continued to explore the differences between peoples and cultures, and to break down those barriers. In fact, it is a well-known fact that the antagonism spewed towards mutants in the X-Men comics is actually a metaphor for racism.
So perhaps it is apropros that X-Men 3 will push the envelope further with the ROLO Factor. For those of you who are not acquainted with the terminology, ROLO stands for the romantic relationship between Ororo Munroe (Storm) and Logan (Wolverine). Some have already labeled this aspect of X3's plot as another "controversial Thom Rothman antic" but if people actually did their homework,they'd find that the two characters have been involved for years in the comic book cannon. Even now, in both the Ultimate and Uncanny X-Men series the two characters are once again fooling around.
However, I sense that FOX putting these two together in this film is about more than just being controversial. And it's probably bigger than the source material too. I think they are doing it for cinematic purposes. If fleshed out well, this relationship could really bring something special to X3 for several reasons.
Let's discuss some of them:
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1.) Closure For Logan: Let's face it, at some point the feral Wolverine would have to move on with his life in the wake of Jean Grey's death. The most logical choice would be the team's beautiful second-in-command. But since X3 will revolve around Dark Phoenix, the ROLO factor coooould also pose some interesting struggles within Logan once the fire goddess arises from Alkali Lake. Much will hinge on if Jean will simply return as herself with increased abilities, or as a maniac driven by lunacy and a thirst for power.
2.) Better Utilization Of Halle Berry: For both Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry the ROLO factor could bring another dimension to their characters. In my opinion, Halle will benefit the most. After standing in as the SFX coordinator for the last two films :rolleyes:, it will be good to finally see Storm being a WOMAN with an emotional attachment to someone.
And despite the vitriol some fanboys spit at the actress, many will agree that her heaviest gravitas lie in her dramatic portrayals. As demonstrated in Monster's Ball, Queen, The Dorothy Dandridge Story and her recent Their Eyes Were Watching God, Halle seems to excel best when in her own comfort zone--drama. While her turn in action films i.e. 007 and Catwoman have been met with mixed results, if Brett Ratner and his writers can give her some real meat on the character development end, she should shine here.
3.) A New Dimension For Hugh Jackman: The ROLO Factor will also give Hugh a nice departure from the slice-em-dice-em deal he's been stuck with so far in this saga. Hugh does well with romantic comedy as shown in his hit films Kate & Leopold and Someone Like You. But so far, his action films like Van Helsing and the X-Men series haven't really given him a chance to fully integrate the romantic element. We actually got a brief glimpse of the sexual side of Logan in X2 (with Jean and Mystique), but it will be interesting to see this side of the character really fleshed out this time around.
4.)Chemistry: The ROLO factor might bring a great opportunity for the actors involved--but not only on an individualized level. As a pair, Halle and Hugh seem to have an electric chemistry on screen, as shown in Swordfish. Chemistry between the actors is key, especially in this genre where films generally focus on SFX and action.
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Chemistry lacks to a large extent between Famke and James Marsden, and while it sizzles between Rebecca Romijn and Hugh--it's also very restricted. We can't have a repeat performance here with Storm and Logan. Halle and Hugh are arguably this film's biggest stars so if it's done right it's sure to raise the bar on comic book movies' love stories.
5.)Comicdom's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Love Story: As noted above, we've enjoyed watching the love stories develop between Peter and Mary Jane, Reed and Susan, Bobby and Rogue and Scott and Jean--but we've never seen a high profile interracial love story in any comic book film (unless you count whatever Vivica A. Fox had going on with Mr. Freeze in 1997's deplorable Batman & Robin. *rolls eyes and lifts fist in wretched motions* Having Marvel's first black heroine involved with its ultimate Bad-Ass will be a treat, and the plot will also keep in line with X-Men's legacy: Breaking down cultural, sexual and racial barriers.
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To my fellow Hypesters: What do you think of the ROLO factor? Will it hurt or help X3? Will Logan's passion for Jean resurface? Will Storm's relationship with Logan be purely a sexual one, or will it have some depth as it does in the comics?
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Jan Irisi
08-10-2005, 12:03 PM
The more I think about this particular pairing...filmwise, the more I like it...[b]if handled correctly[/i]. I really don't want this to simply be a romp between the sheets type deal to get the teenagers riled up. I also don't want it to look like Loigan is nothing more than some horny goof moving from one piece of tail to another. "Well, Jean's dead. Who's next?"
Yes, the potential is there for this to be something deeper. I just hope that it is handled that way, delicately, and tastefully.
Not Halle=hawt
Hugh=hawt
Halle + Hugh= even more hawtness (even if it is true)
Retroman
08-10-2005, 12:18 PM
Excellent Essay Darth!!
I don't know but something about Storm and Wolverine getting together in X3 seems very forced. It smells like an idea Tom Rothman would have put in the script - even if it's something thats happened in the comics. If i remember correctly Bryan Singer made Mystique morph into Storm so the suits could get their wish of having Halle and Hugh do a steamy scene ($$$).
How much depth can this 'relationship' really have when the movie is going to be focusing on so many new chartacters?! It doesn't really make any sense cause theres been no hint of a spark between Wolverine and Storm in the movies. There was hints of that with Nightcrawler they should have focussed on developing the Storm-Nightcrawler relationship because they had such great scenes together. Halle and Alan Cumming had great on-screen chemistry.
I think this 'relationship' will be purely sexual. In Swordfish Halle (damn she looksgood in that pic!) and Hugh were great so i don't forsee any problems on that front.
P.S: In the movie-universe we don't know zilch about Storm's past. My suggestion to the filmmakers is to dig some more into that and then MAYBE she can hook up with Logan.
NOTE: If it works storywise i say bring it on!!
Hope i'm making sense here. :confused: :0
green
08-10-2005, 12:19 PM
I pretty much have to agree with you Lightning. I never had a problem with the idea like some did, actually I think its a pretty darn good idea. It obviously needs to be done right and not just the two of them being thrown together.
Electrix
08-10-2005, 12:26 PM
I think that when this was first rumoured. Back when the AICN Script review came out. The Storm and Logan senario was described as a 'sex scene' not a relationship. That why it ruffled a few peoples feathers. I, like a few other people didnt want Storm and Logan just to have sex. That would give the word X-Men a whole new meaning.
Storm isnt the type of woman who would go to bed with anyone. She wouldnt go to bed with Wolverine if she knew he only wanted her for sex, nothing more. If they have some sort of relationship before, then they have sex, it could work.
X3 could work without a Storm/Wolverine relationship but it would allow us to see both Storm and Wolverine in a different light.
I dont want them to have a sex scene. I would be fine with them just having a cuddle or kiss. Showing the audience they are an item and moving on with the plot. However, you dont get the chance to see Halle and Hugh rolling around naked. Their faces are on all the promotional posters. They are both rather attractive. The women will be happy with Hugh topless and the men would be happy with seeing some Halle flesh.
Plus, with Jean going all powerful, mutants losing their powers left right and center, Iceman wanting Shadowcat to phase through him, Prison breakout scenes....dont we need some love?
Jean could get a little pissed off with the relationship and this may lead to a Storm v Dark Phoenix battle....I can dream....
....Enter fanboys and Halle bashers....
(Ps. Nice work Lightning, I've been waiting for a decent thread :up:)
Angry Sentinel
08-10-2005, 12:29 PM
As with any concept, there is the potential for good and bad. Because of the surrounding circumstance, if this leak is truth, I am pretty sure the "handling correctly" thing will be about as likely as getting an Oscar nomination for an Uwe Boll movie.
Fact: Thomas Rothman
Fact: No previous indication of "emo" or real substancial time between these two characters on screen.
Fact: Script re-written and revised at last minute to include said romance.
Fact: Brett Ratner doesnt have a single credit to his referral of directing something with a deep, "well handled" relationship.
ROLO being greatest comic movie Romance = FAT CHANCE!
But I havent seen or heard exactly how this scenario will play out, so I will hold out hope!
*takes toys goes home and puts signs of hope in all their hands*
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 12:30 PM
Excellent Essay Darth!!
How much depth can this 'relationship' really have when the movie is going to be focusing on so many new chartacters?! It doesn't really make any sense cause theres been no hint of a spark between Wolverine and Storm in the movies.
Well that greatly depends on how much time has elapsed since Jean's death. Let's say several months or even a couple of years have transpired since the Alkali Lake incident. It would be reasonably feasible that Logan could have moved on with his life. Since Kurt will not be in the picture at all, it is also reasonable to accept that Storm has turned her attention to Logan too. Remember, there were some scenes between Storm and Logan in X1 (i.e. "Logan you can't do this alone, Join us...fight with us...") that suggest that they weren't exactly seeing eye to eye and sometimes love is borne out of adversity. :cool: Who knows? It all boils down to how well it's developed.
EDIT: And did you just call me...Darth? :mad:
:p
Retroman
08-10-2005, 12:30 PM
(Ps. Nice work Lightning, I've been waiting for a decent thread :up:)
You disappoint me Electric. :mad: ;)
Electrix
08-10-2005, 12:32 PM
You disappoint me Electric. :mad: ;)
Oops :(
I am also diappointed with you, where are your scoops today!?
:D
Jan Irisi
08-10-2005, 12:35 PM
Well, one must also take into consideration what is going on at the mansion in the first place. Is Cyke in any condition to be a leader at this point? He could be a bit unstable, and Storm and Logan are the only other adults left to be in charge of anything, right? So the two may have some "quality" time together; arguing, disagreeing, getting on each other's nerves, butting heads...all the while getting to know a bit more about each other.
But as has been said here...sex for sex's sake...big no!!!
Mr. Marko
08-10-2005, 12:36 PM
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Hehe...this picture in the top left is actually a pic of Ultimate Wolverine and Ultimate Jean Grey smooching... nice try though! I love it!
So yeah...I don't know about the whole Storm/Wolvie love story thing. As said before, it feels forced. Unless it can be done VERY well, it will seem like its just to throw in more love, and desperately try and make Storm have a larger role so that Halle Berry will stop all her bit#&ing.
Retroman
08-10-2005, 12:38 PM
Well that greatly depends on how much time has elapsed since Jean's death. Let's say several months or even a couple of years have transpired since the Alkali Lake incident. It would be reasonably feasible that Logan could have moved on with his life. Since Kurt will not be in the picture at all, it is also reasonable to accept that Storm has turned her attention to Logan too. Remember, there were some scenes between Storm and Logan in X1 (i.e. "Logan you can't do this alone, Join us...fight with us...") that suggest that they weren't exactly seeing eye to eye and sometimes love is borne out of adversity. :cool: Who knows? It all boils down to how well it's developed.
And did you just call me...Darth? :mad:
:p
It will depend on the time yes. At least a few years imo.
P.S;Sorry about Dark. :0
Retroman
08-10-2005, 12:39 PM
Oops :(
I am also diappointed with you, where are your scoops today!?
:D
Nothing
yet. :D
BluShaypeShyfte
08-10-2005, 12:40 PM
This is such a good point, and I agree totally! The two characters could have a working relationship had not so many new characters been introduced (Beast, Kitty, Juggernaut, and Angel). So I think that it is best that they explore Storm more. They have really made her 2-Dismensional, and it has pissed me off. She has no depth in the movies, they make her weak (which is totally not Halle's fault, she is an excellent actress!). Storm was/is much more than some little weak punk. Toad whipped her @$$ in the first one! In the comics I doubt he would have beat her so badly. ::Sigh:: which is why I hope that they delve deeper into Storm in this one...and keep her romantically uninvolved with Wolverine. For now. I think that connecting the two would be great because it would diminish the love triangle between Logan, Scott, and Jean, and allow the relationship between Scott and Jean to develope into marriage (Scott and Jean are engaged in the movies if anyone wants to argue). They cannot end the X-Series here because there is soo much more to be said! They should make five movies cause we need a Danger Room sequence and Sentinels!
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 12:46 PM
Hehe...this picture in the top left is actually a pic of Ultimate Wolverine and Ultimate Jean Grey smooching... nice try though! I love it!
Are you sure? Not that I'm doubting you, I got it off the net for my collage. But if they did alter it that's one helluva manip!
Well, one must also take into consideration what is going on at the mansion in the first place. Is Cyke in any condition to be a leader at this point? He could be a bit unstable, and Storm and Logan are the only other adults left to be in charge of anything, right? So the two may have some "quality" time together; arguing, disagreeing, getting on each other's nerves, butting heads...all the while getting to know a bit more about each other.
Great point Jan. If Scott has "checked out" mentally/emotionally due to his overwhelming grief it makes logical sense that the senior members of the team would take center stage (Xavier, Storm, Logan, etc.).
If Storm and Logan are just doing the booty-call thing I'll admit I'll be highly pissed. Sex for sex's sake would be so ridiculously reckless and would really show a lack of respect for these characters--which in Storm's case hasn't been respected from day 1. :rolleyes:
green
08-10-2005, 12:54 PM
Well, one must also take into consideration what is going on at the mansion in the first place. Is Cyke in any condition to be a leader at this point? He could be a bit unstable, and Storm and Logan are the only other adults left to be in charge of anything, right? So the two may have some "quality" time together; arguing, disagreeing, getting on each other's nerves, butting heads...all the while getting to know a bit more about each other.
But as has been said here...sex for sex's sake...big no!!!
I think people also need to take into account that out of the original team, they are the only two left(if the script review is accurate and the deaths still remain). That's three people they were freinds with that they believe are dead. Grief works in strange ways and I can totally see them comforting each other over the fact.
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 12:59 PM
However, you dont get the chance to see Halle and Hugh rolling around naked. Their faces are on all the promotional posters. They are both rather attractive. The women will be happy with Hugh topless and the men would be happy with seeing some Halle flesh.
Well, the current issue of Wizard magazine addresses this. It made it clear that on-line script leaks suggested that there would be rough and dirty sex scenes that would garner a soft R rating, but that such claims were borne from rabid fanboys jumping to conclusions. Kevin Fiege was quoted as saying the film will be PG-13 in the same vein as the previous films.
Avi Arad and the article also referred to this relationship as a "love story" whenever it was mentioned, not a rauncy tryst. The term "love story" suggest to me something of depth, not a replay of Monster's Ball's "Make me feeeeeelll good!!! Make me feel goooouuuugggglllldddd!!!"
:rolleyes:
(Ps. Nice work Lightning, I've been waiting for a decent thread :up:)
Thanks...I've got more bolts of lightning coming soon.
i tihink it would be a great love story between logan and storm
*bravo*
Agree 100%. Although, I'm still kinda on the fence.
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 01:16 PM
ROLO Gallery I
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Hugh'sMrs
08-10-2005, 01:31 PM
Are you sure? Not that I'm doubting you, I got it off the net for my collage. But if they did alter it that's one helluva manip!
It's from Ultimate #4. Logan kisses Jean in the garden knowing that Scott is watching them from an upstairs window.
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 01:34 PM
It's from Ultimate #4. Logan kisses Jean in the garden knowing that Scott is watching them from an upstairs window.
:eek:
I remember that now! But...it was in color wasn't it? It's cool...the guy who did it did a good job. That should be a pleasant pinch in the ass for my ol' archrival Pejo. :p
Beastbone
08-10-2005, 01:45 PM
Great DL. Whether or not I agree with you (which I happen to) everyone has to respect the presentation of your ideas. Very well thought out. It's obvious you spent a lot of time on this post.
Respect,
BB
Almighty Pejo
08-10-2005, 02:11 PM
That should be a pleasant pinch in the ass for my ol' archrival Pejo. :pWhy is that? Storm needs to cash in on Jean's overwhelmingly larger presence and depend on manipulations of Jean's image in order to give Storm credence in this situation? That's just sad. But not as sad as this laughable on screen pairing. While they're at it, Professor X should start dating Jubilee. Makes about as much sense as Logan and Halle Berry in a bad wig 'dating' anyway.
TNC9852002
08-10-2005, 02:27 PM
Hmmm..There's conclusions...Maybe I should jump to it?
-TNC
Hugh'sMrs
08-10-2005, 02:42 PM
:eek:
I remember that now! But...it was in color wasn't it? It's cool...the guy who did it did a good job. That should be a pleasant pinch in the ass for my ol' archrival Pejo. :p
Yes it was in color. The person probably didn't want to change more than just the hair color so it was easier to make the manip b&w. The so-called 'love story' of Wolverine and Storm in the Ultimate series is awful because it's insulting to Storm's character (she throws herself at Wolverine who's pretty nasty to her - "I'm not your boyfriend. I don't even like you.") The only hookup in the Ultimate series that was even worse than that one was Bobby and Rogue. Even Piotr said (after she left with Gambit), "You were dating for what, two minutes?" So true. :rolleyes:
Angry Sentinel
08-10-2005, 03:05 PM
:eek:
*pictures this as part of Xmen3*
:( :down
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Why is that? Storm needs to cash in on Jean's overwhelmingly larger presence and depend on manipulations of Jean's image in order to give Storm credence in this situation? That's just sad. But not as sad as this laughable on screen pairing. While they're at it, Professor X should start dating Jubilee. Makes about as much sense as Logan and Halle Berry in a bad wig 'dating' anyway.
Now, now...calm down my Fire God. We are not going to make this a Jean Vs. Storm thing...besides, Jean's presence is hardly overwhelmingly large in this thread since she's dead. :cool:
Anyway, Logan is just one of the boyfriends Storm has courted through the years. Forge, Bishop, Kurt and I believe Cable were also suitors of the Weather Goddess. So this "laughable" on-screen pairing has precendence in the source material. If you don't like it, take it up with Chris Claremont I suppose? LMAO!!
Let's face it...in the comic Storm is hot (pun absolutely intended), as is the love interest she shares with Logan currently (in Uncanny X-Men that is). To me, it's the perfect contrast to the ever fluxing twois-like relationship of Scott, Emma and Jean. If Halle and Hugh can capture that fire on-screen it could do well for the storyline. Besides, why must the X-Kids get all the romance?
Yellow Cyclone
08-10-2005, 03:14 PM
:eek:
*pictures this as part of Xmen3*
:( :down
you said it :mad:
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 03:19 PM
ROLO Gallery II
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See also Post 20 for the updated Gallery I additions. I'll add more collages if any of you guys want to see more.
Jan Irisi
08-10-2005, 03:25 PM
The pillow fight one? I have one word to say about that..........
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Mr. Marko
08-10-2005, 03:29 PM
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Where is this Ultimate Storm and Wolvie from??
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 03:34 PM
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Where is this Ultimate Storm and Wolvie from??
It's from the net. I did a Google Search on the subject matter. I believe it was originally sourced on a Yahoo site.
Angry Sentinel
08-10-2005, 03:37 PM
Huh... ignorance.Wait? You find this ....
The so-called 'love story' of Wolverine and Storm in the Ultimate series is awful because it's insulting to Storm's character (she throws herself at Wolverine who's pretty nasty to her - "I'm not your boyfriend. I don't even like you.") ... to be a good thing for Xmen3!?
or were you not referring to my comment...
Angry Sentinel:eek:
*pictures this as part of Xmen3*
:( :down
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 03:50 PM
:confused:
Angry Sentinel
08-10-2005, 03:53 PM
:confused: ... :confused: Uhhh...yeah I could do the same... but you posted
Huh... ignorance. That post above you is asking, what do you mean by that?
Oops. I must of bypassed his post. I thought you were speaking about this topic in general...
*walks away in shame*
:0
Angry Sentinel
08-10-2005, 04:07 PM
No shame, everything is daisies...err I mean ROLO! :up:
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Slim_X
08-10-2005, 04:11 PM
I didn't like the idea of Storm dating Logan... but reading all the things you said (Lightning) it isn't as bad as I thought. Halle and Hugh have great chemistry. I really don't know what to think anymore, if they decide to move on with ROLO and they do it nicely then I have no problems, but if it seems forced then it'll suck.
hope they make take this to the movie i think it will be great
Endeavor
08-10-2005, 04:51 PM
Very nice Lightning.
You gave me some excellent food for thought.
The key here is that it should be well writen and done for the right reasons, such as the ones you mentioned.
My fear is that it will be done cheaply and in poor taste just to satisfy a 'money-making formula' conceived by executives instead of the actual talent behind the production.
Let's cross our collective fingers.
About the Logan/Storm relationship in the books. I remember they started a little flirting some years ago but it never went anywhere. I don't know if it was because of poor writing then or because of fan feedback but I never got enthused at the idea of them together. For me there's only one guy who's been Ororo's equal when they were in a relationship, and that is Forge... But we shall see what comes of this.
Timstuff
08-10-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally I couldn't stand the idea of Logan and Ororo having a relationship in X3. But now, the concept is growing on me. As long as they find a good way to write it, I think it could be a good addition to the story.
I just hope that they aren't killing off Cyclops!
the a1ant
08-10-2005, 06:08 PM
I've always wanted Wolverine/Storm together in both the films and comics, so if it happens, I'll be happy...ONLY if it isn't just some random sex scenes, like the AICN script led to believe. That's just stupid. Storm isn't like that. I hope they're seriously trying to make them be in a relationship, and then have Jean come back, which causes problems between her, Logan and Storm. It'd give a whole new reason why Storm should whoop Phoenix's butt in the skies :D :p
I dunno...it's a pairing that needs to be dealt with kind hands. If it works for the story, the character interactions, etc...good! If they're just doing it for some hot, sex scenes, then I'll lose all respect for the people @ Fox :o
But then again...who knows. That entire aspect of the 'six day script' might've been cut all together. I don't wanna look forward to the idea, because it could easily be missing when X3 hits theatres :p
tamron
08-10-2005, 06:17 PM
Fact: Brett Ratner doesnt have a single credit to his referral of directing something with a deep, "well handled" relationship.
The relationship between Nic Cage and Tea Leoni in "Family Man" was "well handled" in my opinion.
I've no problem with ROLO in the comics, as the groundwork has been laid down through the years. My fear is that with the utter lack of development Storm has received in the X-films, coupled with new characters to introduce and a story to tell, that there simply won't be enough time to make ROLO look like more than a cheap 'pretty people' coupling or work to make Logan look like a manwhore even if that's not the intent.
MoiBijou
08-10-2005, 06:37 PM
http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2227.asp
It seems ROLO is confirmed...
Timstuff
08-10-2005, 06:53 PM
http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2227.asp
It seems ROLO is confirmed...
Uh... That article came from Wizard, and it sounded very much like a recap of everything that's already been floating around on the internet. Dang, those Wizard people are slobs when it comes to movie news. :o
Wynne
08-10-2005, 07:09 PM
I really like Scott with Jean, and dammit, I want to see more OF Scott, for that matter.
As long as Storm gets tougher and Logan acts like himself instead of the idiot he seemed to turn into whenever Jean is around, and it grows through character development rather than just being sprung upon us out of nowhere like the whole Jean thing was in X2, I'm happy.
Wouldn't it be interesting if that Mystique scene was not just a clue to Logan's fantasies, but who he might hook up with long run during the series? Probably not, since so many hands have been and will be changed, but one wonders.
the a1ant
08-10-2005, 08:23 PM
The Logan/Rogue shippers will be pi$$ed, if he ends up with Storm! :eek:
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^They do make for a cute couple, if I say so myself. Also, Logan needs someone who can be more of his equal. Not only a lover, but someone he could trust to fight along-side, and know they could hold there own. Jean could've been that woman, but at the end of the day, she's tied to Scott, and even she realizes that :p
Well first off I would like to say Darth your idea of the Rolo factor is intresting. Yet, your on site draft of this is questionable. Considering the fact towards the actors and actresses chemistry towards each other. I find that part a little effiy reason why is because; even though that we just happen to have two 'stars' who had a somewhat chemistry in another movie *ie swordfish*. There is a verebal offset towards, they would have this same chemistry in this movie. Yet call me a skeptic, due to the recent changes, something magical could work out. Although I would like to see what the script holds towards the relationship between Storm and Wolverine.
the a1ant
08-10-2005, 08:41 PM
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The chemistry is there for sure :up:
:mad: Hugh. Your a married man. Stop it.
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The chemistry is there for sure :up:
/sigh, he has a kid too!
Lightning Strykez!
08-10-2005, 08:54 PM
Well first off I would like to say Darth your idea of the Rolo factor is intresting.
Where is the "Darth" thing coming from? :o Call me Lightning. :p
Anyway, A1ant makes a good point: Jean could've been the equal that Logan was looking for, but she really isn't in love with him on that level. They are very different people, and Jean lusts for him and what he compensates for Scott, but that has nothing to do with love. I suspect if they ever really got it on, she'd hate herself because ultimately Scott is her true love and her guilty conscience would drive her sick.
So the Jean/Logan thing wouldn't work out even if they did give way to total sexual abandon. Logan needs to be with someone who won't play games with him--which Jean does. I love her to death as a character, but the writers make her act like a ho sometimes, due to the way she tricks him around.
Where is the "Darth" thing coming from? :o Call me Lightning. :p
Eh, sorry about that not good with names, duely noted!
Wynne
08-10-2005, 09:14 PM
the a1ant--I'm a Logan/Rogue shipper, but I could gladly live with and even come to like the Ororo/Logan thing if it's done well. I'm happy as long as Logan has a REAL CONNECTION with someone--the reason I liked Logan/Rogue is because unlike the Logan/Jean thing, Logan was a better and more endearing character in Rogue's presence. Instead of just sex without any form of morality involved, there was a tenderness, a protectiveness, a sharing of who they were.
If they can create a connection we can see, rather than just throwing the characters together pell-mell because they're there, it could be really nice. Logan and Ororo both seem like leaders, and if that brought them together in a sense, to stand united... that would be awesome.
cool thread. i think this idea could play out well on screen (but like the rest of you, im hoping it's not a bunch of stupid random sex scenes that serve no purpose to the story), i just hope that this whole Ororo/Logan love story isnt fox's way of "giving storm more to do" we need some character development here fox, if you can make it play out in "RoLo" then by all means do it, i just hope that fox isnt thinking "more to do, lets have it be wolverine". oh and more pics please :D
cool thread. i think this idea could play out well on screen (but like the rest of you, im hoping it's not a bunch of stupid random sex scenes that serve no purpose to the story), i just hope that this whole Ororo/Logan love story isnt fox's way of "giving storm more to do" we need some character development here fox, if you can make it play out in "RoLo" then by all means do it, i just hope that fox isnt thinking "more to do, lets have it be wolverine". oh and more pics please :D
Yeah, I hope there isnt any messy sex scenes between Wolverine and Storm, eww it would probably be like "Monster Ball" *shivers* except with super powers..............*shivers*
the a1ant
08-10-2005, 11:38 PM
Storm: "Logan always liked to get freaky! He likes it when it shoot tiny pulses of electricity up his back. It makes him growl like an animal! Oh...and you don't even want to know what Logan really uses that healing factor power for!" ;)
Yeah, I hope there isnt any messy sex scenes between Wolverine and Storm, eww it would probably be like "Monster Ball" *shivers* except with super powers..............*shivers*
hahahahah, the x rated xmen. ugh i certainly hope not.
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Hopefully they don't make the same mistake as they did in Matrix: Reloaded with the crazy Rave/Neo Trinity sex scene..*shivers*
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 12:34 AM
Thank you for all the long-winded explanations and pictures Lightning (including the crappy manips).
The simple fact of the matter of this, half of what you talked about I bet isn't even going to be taken into account. I like the RO/LO pairing. But this isn't an Ororo/Logan pairing. Its a Halle Berry/Hugh Jackman pairing pretty simple really.
I still claim that Nightcrawler and Ororo would've been a much more compelling and interesting pairing for the movies than the obvious studio executive device of Wolverine and Storm.
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 12:45 AM
There are way less general movie audience people who favour a Storm/Logan romance than the Jean/Logan one. They spent so much time in X1 and X2 doing Jean/Logan that for me knowing Jean will be in X3 well it annoys me. To me there NEVER been any REAL Storm/Logan. Heck there's been more Rogue/Wolverine or others than Storm/Wolverine. They just haven't done hardly any romance stuff with Storm in the comics that I know of, and Ultimate hardy counts, though that was Jean.
I'm dead set against the idea, and if it's in the moive it better be REALLY freakin small.
*Then again I've always been a big ass Wolvie/Jean shipper. And now that Scott bonking Emma I'm hoping whenever Jean gets back Marvel with finally let those two get some more action. Wolverine loves Jean not Storm, in that special way anyway.*
CoolCat
08-11-2005, 12:55 AM
The ROLO Factor
Marvel's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Romance?
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An Essay By Dark Lightning AKA Lightning Strikez!
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the X-Men in the early 1960s, when the African-American civil rights movement was prominent in the news. Interestingly enough, both Stan and Jack are Jewish-Americans; consciously or unconsciously, perhaps they were really aiming at anti-Semitism. Decades later, it was Chris Claremont who established that Magneto, as a child, had been imprisoned at the Auschwitz Nazi Concentration Camps.
The point?
From the very beginning, Marvel Comics, and more specifically the X-Men, have continued to explore the differences between peoples and cultures, and to break down those barriers. In fact, it is a well-known fact that the antagonism spewed towards mutants in the X-Men comics is actually a metaphor for racism.
So perhaps it is apropros that X-Men 3 will push the envelope further with the ROLO Factor. For those of you who are not acquainted with the terminology, ROLO stands for the romantic relationship between Ororo Munroe (Storm) and Logan (Wolverine). Some have already labeled this aspect of X3's plot as another "controversial Thom Rothman antic" but if people actually did their homework,they'd find that the two characters have been involved for years in the comic book cannon. Even now, in both the Ultimate and Uncanny X-Men series the two characters are once again fooling around.
However, I sense that FOX putting these two together in this film is about more than just being controversial. And it's probably bigger than the source material too. I think they are doing it for cinematic purposes. If fleshed out well, this relationship could really bring something special to X3 for several reasons.
Let's discuss some of them:
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1.) Closure For Logan: Let's face it, at some point the feral Wolverine would have to move on with his life in the wake of Jean Grey's death. The most logical choice would be the team's beautiful second-in-command. But since X3 will revolve around Dark Phoenix, the ROLO factor coooould also pose some interesting struggles within Logan once the fire goddess arises from Alkali Lake. Much will hinge on if Jean will simply return as herself with increased abilities, or as a maniac driven by lunacy and a thirst for power.
2.) Better Utilization Of Halle Berry: For both Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry the ROLO factor could bring another dimension to their characters. In my opinion, Halle will benefit the most. After standing in as the SFX coordinator for the last two films :rolleyes:, it will be good to finally see Storm being a WOMAN with an emotional attachment to someone.
And despite the vitriol some fanboys spit at the actress, many will agree that her heaviest gravitas lie in her dramatic portrayals. As demonstrated in Monster's Ball, Queen, The Dorothy Dandridge Story and her recent Their Eyes Were Watching God, Halle seems to excel best when in her own comfort zone--drama. While her turn in action films i.e. 007 and Catwoman have been met with mixed results, if Brett Ratner and his writers can give her some real meat on the character development end, she should shine here.
3.) A New Dimension For Hugh Jackman: The ROLO Factor will also give Hugh a nice departure from the slice-em-dice-em deal he's been stuck with so far in this saga. Hugh does well with romantic comedy as shown in his hit films Kate & Leopold and Someone Like You. But so far, his action films like Van Helsing and the X-Men series haven't really given him a chance to fully integrate the romantic element. We actually got a brief glimpse of the sexual side of Logan in X2 (with Jean and Mystique), but it will be interesting to see this side of the character really fleshed out this time around.
4.)Chemistry: The ROLO factor might bring a great opportunity for the actors involved--but not only on an individualized level. As a pair, Halle and Hugh seem to have an electric chemistry on screen, as shown in Swordfish. Chemistry between the actors is key, especially in this genre where films generally focus on SFX and action.
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Chemistry lacks to a large extent between Famke and James Marsden, and while it sizzles between Rebecca Romijn and Hugh--it's also very restricted. We can't have a repeat performance here with Storm and Logan. Halle and Hugh are arguably this film's biggest stars so if it's done right it's sure to raise the bar on comic book movies' love stories.
5.)Comicdom's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Love Story: As noted above, we've enjoyed watching the love stories develop between Peter and Mary Jane, Reed and Susan, Bobby and Rogue and Scott and Jean--but we've never seen a high profile interracial love story in any comic book film (unless you count whatever Vivica A. Fox had going on with Mr. Freeze in 1997's deplorable Batman & Robin. *rolls eyes and lifts fist in wretched motions* Having Marvel's first black heroine involved with its ultimate Bad-Ass will be a treat, and the plot will also keep in line with X-Men's legacy: Breaking down cultural, sexual and racial barriers.
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To my fellow Hypesters: What do you think of the ROLO factor? Will it hurt or help X3? Will Logan's passion for Jean resurface? Will Storm's relationship with Logan be purely a sexual one, or will it have some depth as it does in the comics?
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Didn't marvel have an interracial relationship between Blade and (I forgot her name) the vampire lady in Blade 2?
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All I could read is "blah blah blah, blah blah blah." I think ive been on the compute too long /sigh
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 05:19 AM
Thank you for all the long-winded explanations and pictures Lightning (including the crappy manips).
The simple fact of the matter of this, half of what you talked about I bet isn't even going to be taken into account. I like the RO/LO pairing. But this isn't an Ororo/Logan pairing. Its a Halle Berry/Hugh Jackman pairing pretty simple really.
I still claim that Nightcrawler and Ororo would've been a much more compelling and interesting pairing for the movies than the obvious studio executive device of Wolverine and Storm.
I believe 100% in that.
It's NOT Wolverine/Storm it's the Hugh/Halle.... which will hopfully not make me puke in the theatre.:mad:
Nell2ThaIzzay
08-11-2005, 06:56 AM
Hopefully this whole thing is something that's been written out of the script.
I don't care one way or another so long as it's handled well-at least it has a little basis from the comics.I just what rogue and bobby split up cause that is one relationship that should never have happened.
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 08:43 AM
Thank you for all the long-winded explanations and pictures Lightning (including the crappy manips).
And thank you for consistently being an ass. Your abrasive ways never fail to impress us Hypesters.
Please try your call again later. :cool:
There are way less general movie audience people who favour a Storm/Logan romance than the Jean/Logan one. They spent so much time in X1 and X2 doing Jean/Logan that for me knowing Jean will be in X3 well it annoys me. To me there NEVER been any REAL Storm/Logan. Heck there's been more Rogue/Wolverine or others than Storm/Wolverine. They just haven't done hardly any romance stuff with Storm in the comics that I know of, and Ultimate hardy counts, though that was Jean.
Liz, how can you anticipate the general movie audience will not "favour" a concept they haven't seen? At this point it'd be hard to guage what their reaction will be considering that Storm has been a 2-dimmensional character for 2 films straight. This is where Singer really handicapped Storm's cinematic personna--he hasn't built any kind of foundation whatsoever for her.
Think about it: all of the core X-Men characters (in particular Rogue, Bobby, Pyro, Magneto, Cyclops, Jean, and especially Logan) Storm is the only one that has never had a true character arc. She's never grown from one point in the saga to another point in her personality. While the NC "I have faith in you" was a nice step in the right direction, Kurt won't even be in this installment so they are taking her back to square one again.
Ratner knows the X-Men well--he's reportedly a major fan of the characters. So he knows Storm is regal but is also passionate and sexually free (especially in the 80's when she was often nude or scantily clad :p ). Bryan Singer completely rewrote her character into an oppressed, mousy, scared individual...hardly a Goddess that commands the winds.
That said, Brett & Co. will have an uphill battle indeed to bring some life to Storm. While I too am concerned that the ROLO factor is just a way to "give her something to do" it is also clear-cut evidence that FOX finally realizes the character has suffered a lack of development and needs something to do. If it's done tastefully and with class it coooould work.
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 09:15 AM
A Hypothesis: Consider This?
After reading about a face-off between Jean and Emma Frost over Scott last night, I just thought of something: Technically-speaking, since this is a movie adaptation these film makers basically have the license to do whatever they want--be it good or bad.
Could it be that the vaporizing of Scott and the ROLO factor could actually be a modernized take on the Scott/Jean/Emma deal? Okay, I know it sounds far-fetched but work with me here for a moment:
From what we've heard, Scott is demolecularized in the first act by the Dark Phoenix. Totally vaporized instantly.
With him out the picture, I wonder if FOX is trying to create a new love triangle between Jean, Logan and Storm instead? :o I know it sounds stupid but...think about it: Though Jean turned Logan down in X2, they certainly established that she is attracted to him--at least on a primal, lustful level. Could that develop into territorial "love" after Scott's death? Could Storm become the proverbial "Emma Frost" here--the woman who took Logan when Jean rejected him, and thereby giving the Phoenix a target for her maniacal jealousy? I'm not sure if the aerial battle rumor is true or not...but it makes me wonder.
I know it may sound crazy (and personally I think this would SUCK A$$ if it is true)...but this is FOX we're talking about here. If they could make a love triangle out of friking Dr. Doom, Reed Richards and Susan Richards, they certainly can create one out of thin air here as well.
:rolleyes:
MoiBijou
08-11-2005, 09:32 AM
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AAAARGH HE'S CHEATING ON ME!!! :mad:
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 09:46 AM
eeeww. :(
I know man...I know. :(
But if this sky battle rumor between Storm and Phoenix is true, a situation like this would be a logical reason for it to happen.
Cat fight over Logan meow...tsk tsk
Man Storm is a bad ass Woman, I wanna see some straight awesome flying fight action like in Matrix Revolution between Neo and Smith, except without all the clones......*and the subtle refrences to Dragon Ball Z, I swear it felt like watching Vegeta and Goku go truly at it.*
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 09:54 AM
A Hypothesis: Consider This?
Edit...the license to do whatever they want--be it good or bad.
Could it be that the vaporizing of Scott and the ROLO factor could actually be a modernized take on the Scott/Jean/Emma deal? Okay, I know it sounds far-fetched but work with me here for a moment:
With him out the picture, I wonder if FOX is trying to create a new love triangle between Jean, Logan and Storm instead?
I know it may sound crazy (and personally I think this would SUCK A$$ if it is true)...but this is FOX we're talking about here.
:rolleyes: I think I just died a little inside!
Why dont they just change the name from Xmen3 to Three Days of Xmen lives and aire it around 1pm on FOX!
I know this is a worst case scenario but, you just depressed the crap outta me..that is until it turns to anger http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif
Endeavor
08-11-2005, 09:54 AM
From what we've heard, Scott is demolecularized in the first act by the Dark Phoenix. Totally vaporized instantly.
With him out the picture, I wonder if FOX is trying to create a new love triangle between Jean, Logan and Storm instead?...
And then I shall unleash a plague upon FOX like none that man hath seen in over 5000 years.
They will DIE!
:mad: :mad: :mad:
:p ;)
One reason I dont like Matrix Revolutions. Its such a DBZ rip off.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 09:56 AM
And then I shall unleash a plague upon FOX like none that man hath seen in over 5000 years.
They will DIE!
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http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif not before the horde of angry sentinels have "demolecularized" every studio with the FOX name on it:up:
Endeavor
08-11-2005, 09:57 AM
Cat fight over Logan meow...tsk tsk
Man Storm is a bad ass Woman, I wanna see some straight awesome flying fight action like in Matrix Revolution between Neo and Smith, except without all the clones......*and the subtle refrences to Dragon Ball Z, I swear it felt like watching Vegeta and Goku go truly at it.*
Most of that aerial fight SUCKED! I certainly hope if we do get one in X3 it looks nothing like that. :mad:
I think I just died a little inside!
Why dont they just change the name from Xmen3 to Three Days of Xmen lives and aire it around 1pm on FOX!
I know this is a worst case scenario but, you just depressed the crap outta me..that is until it turns to anger http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif
And you wont like me when im angry..........
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ARRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! HULK SMASH!!!!1
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 10:00 AM
Most of that aerial fight SUCKED! I certainly hope if we do get one in X3 it looks nothing like that. :mad: The concept was great- but the actual CGI was kinda rancid. It was just nice finally seeing someone attempt to do that on the big screen.
Hopefully someone will again someday... with better results
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 10:03 AM
Guys, remember, I left this board temporarily to assist on the Fantastic Four hype board. I followed that production from start to finish. If you think such proposals are depressing now, you ain't seen nothing yet. :rolleyes:
FOX truly knows how to make what works well not work at all. Right now I'm talking out of the side of my head, but after what they did to Dr. Doom's character (making a menage a twois between him, the Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic, among many other wrongs) I put nothing past them now. This is a very feasible reality.
Besides, Thom Rothman hates James Marsden and Bryan Singer from what I hear (for jumping ship to do Supes), so I am sure the vaporizing of Cykes has more to do with ego rather than plot. Anything is possible fellas.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 10:05 AM
And you wont like me when im angry..........
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ARRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! HULK SMASH!!!!1
LOL...FINALLY!
THANK YOU SOMEBODY FOR PICKING UP ON THAT LEAD IN!!
I usually have to rely on TNC, now I see I got AE (hey that rhymed, I'm a poet and I dont...never mind)
Endeavor
08-11-2005, 10:07 AM
I wonder how expensive it is to hire a hitman. Would we save money by going international instead of looking for local talent? ;)
And then we que to music:
Matt Matt Matt whana whana Matt Matt Matt WHA WHA Matt Matt Matt whana whana Matt Matt Matt,
MERE MERE MERE MERE MERE MERE MERE!!
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I wonder how expensive it is to hire a hitman. Would we save money by going international instead of looking for local talent? ;)
Well International definetly, this guy is always available for hire:
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Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 10:27 AM
^^ lol thats the hitman, but Im sure you knew that!
Endeavor
08-11-2005, 10:27 AM
Okay, so lets hire the Prof to kill... ahem, I mean "talk" to a few special folks at FOX.
;)
Patrick Stewart???
LOL!!
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Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 10:30 AM
Patrick Stewart: *hand in vest* "I'll make you an offer you cant refuse"
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 10:36 AM
Ooookay...let's return to the topic at hand shall we? :cool:
What were we talking about again? Oh yeah I remeber it was about Kisaki from Phantasmagoria, I don't know why he doesn't like coming to america. Maybe he has an ex that lives here or something.
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Son Of Logan
08-11-2005, 10:48 AM
I have to agree that Logan & Storm together may be a very positive development. It could really enhance the plot and add depth to the characters.
Wasnt there talk of a script change though ? that whole cycolps aspect could very well have been rewritten, same for the storm/logan love story.
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The chemistry is there for sure :up:He's this way with every women heheh
Do you have more Press Conference pics?
And about Logan/Ororo i think it'll be good...but i prefer Logan/Rogue.
Wasnt there talk of a script change though ? that whole cycolps aspect could very well have been rewritten, same for the storm/logan love story.
We can only hope.
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 11:49 AM
And thank you for consistently being an ass. Your abrasive ways never fail to impress us Hypesters.
Please try your call again later. :cool:
Domo.
Liz, how can you anticipate the general movie audience will not "favour" a concept they haven't seen? At this point it'd be hard to guage what their reaction will be considering that Storm has been a 2-dimmensional character for 2 films straight. This is where Singer really handicapped Storm's cinematic personna--he hasn't built any kind of foundation whatsoever for her.
In your opinion. She seemed to be pretty established character in the last 2 movies and had a strong bond and relationship to the children of the institute.
Think about it: all of the core X-Men characters (in particular Rogue, Bobby, Pyro, Magneto, Cyclops, Jean, and especially Logan) Storm is the only one that has never had a true character arc. She's never grown from one point in the saga to another point in her personality. While the NC "I have faith in you" was a nice step in the right direction, Kurt won't even be in this installment so they are taking her back to square one again.
There was also her resentment toward humanity which was evident in both movies, that Nightcrawler helperd her overcome in the second one where it was STORM that saved the world, NOT Wolverine.
Ratner knows the X-Men well--he's reportedly a major fan of the characters. So he knows Storm is regal but is also passionate and sexually free (especially in the 80's when she was often nude or scantily clad :p ). Bryan Singer completely rewrote her character into an oppressed, mousy, scared individual...hardly a Goddess that commands the winds.
Singer didn't rewrite the character. And I didn't find her mousy or scared at all. She gets quite mousy, scared, and oppressed in the comics frequently in regards to her claustrophobia though.
I've yet to see Ratner show any proof that he knows the characters well other than himself saying he's a big fan.
That said, Brett & Co. will have an uphill battle indeed to bring some life to Storm. While I too am concerned that the ROLO factor is just a way to "give her something to do" it is also clear-cut evidence that FOX finally realizes the character has suffered a lack of development and needs something to do. If it's done tastefully and with class it coooould work.
Once again, in the second movie she SAVED HUMANITY on the entire planet. If that's not something to do, I don't know what is.
My whole point is that its not going to be tasteful, its just going to cash in on star power, and whatever tasteful or compelling material can come out of that is going to be brushed aside for the simple novelty of pairing up Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman. The question isn't a "Can we have a romance between Wolverine and Storm?" its Tom Rothman's question of, "Can we get Halle and Hugh to ****?"
Making this into a LOVE TRIANGLE between Storm, Wolverine, and Jean would also be complete and utter bull****. The whole point was in the comics AND the movies as well is that Jean is NOT really in love with Logan. Her attraction to Logan was purely superficial, and after looking into it she realizes that she's really in love with Scott. Scott is the person she wants to be with and truly loves deep down inside.
There's no reflection of the Emma, Scott, Jean triangle with Jean, Storm, and Wolverine at all. Jean and Scott were married! In the movies all Jean and Wolverine had was at best an IMMATURE attraction to each other. They never had a REAL relationship!
Endeavor
08-11-2005, 12:11 PM
Well said VileOne.
Lightning had some good ideas, but as I expressed before I fear that's not what we're going to see on screen. I don't even think that's the reasoning that went on when they decided to include ROLO in the script that was reviewed.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 12:33 PM
Maybe its the last convo about a "3-way" that has left a bad taste in my mouth but I am having a hard time having positive thoughts about this "possible" script idea.
My latest reservations stem from the fact that this story is primarily about the "Phoenix". THE PHOENIX!!!! When did the phoenix story not become enough to fill a movie? Yeah I know you gotta have backstory, and side agendas going on, but does anyone really want ROLO as a back or side story? That thought alone cheapens this concept.
I'll end my rant with the usual "takes toys and hopes for hope" crap I've been trying to pretend to feel, but not without making it clear I really dont FEEL that great about it.
*takes toys goes home and... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif*
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 12:48 PM
Maybe its the last convo about a "3-way" that has left a bad taste in my mouth but I am having a hard time having positive thoughts about this "possible" script idea.
My latest reservations stem from the fact that this story is primarily about the "Phoenix". THE PHOENIX!!!! When did the phoenix story not become enough to fill a movie? Yeah I know you gotta have backstory, and side agendas going on, but does anyone really want ROLO as a back or side story? That thought alone cheapens this concept.
I agree. That they are probably brushing aside the Phoenix and also trying to have this de-mutant story is worrying.
It could make the movie suffer as a result.
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 12:56 PM
In your opinion. She seemed to be pretty established character in the last 2 movies and had strong bond and relationship to the children of the institute. !
The vast majority of people would disagree with you. Both critics, fans and general audiences have consistently and unaminously commented on how short-changed this particular character is (along with Scott Summers).
There was also her resentment toward humanity which was evident in both movies, that Nightcrawler helperd her overcome in the second one where it was STORM that saved the world, NOT Wolverine.!
That "resentment" is not accurate, and the fact that they put that there shows they don't truly understand the character. Storm doesn't resent humanity at all--she embraces the differences of cultures and works to make them coincide peacefully. You can't arrive to that conclusion if you're begrudingly resentful of them.
Singer didn't rewrite the character. And I didn't find her mousy or scared at all. She gets quite mousy, scared, and oppressed in the comics frequently in regards to her claustrophobia though.
I've yet to see Ratner show any prove that he knows the characters well other than himself saying he's a big fan.
Singer admits he never touched an X-Men comic prior to 2000. He has also been said to not care much for Storm's character. Ratner *says* he's a huge fan but the proof will be in the pudding come May 2006.
But as someone who has read/collected these books with a particular passion for Storm, I can confidently tell you that Singer did indeed rewrite the character. He totally screwed her up royally. He custom-fit Storm for Halle, rather than transform Halle into Storm. :down
Storm is NOT mousy--and anyone who says she is simply does not know the character at all. Women that are worshipped as goddesses and held in high regard as royalty don't portray themselves that way. She is a woman of strength and fortitude--and even when she is at her weakest (i.e. in a claustrophobic situation) she generates more commanding presence and dominance in her pinky finger than movie Storm's whole on-screen experience.
Once again, in the second movie she SAVED HUMANITY on the entire planet. If that's not something to do, I don't know what is.
What, she stood there with her eyes rolled back for 1:30 seconds and created a cold wind???? :eek:
:o Whoopty-ficking do. That's SFX doing their job, not characterization. Do you honestly understand what characterization is? Having Storm whip up tornadoes and blizzards is not "giving the character something to do". The other X-Men have SFX powers too, but that is only one dimmension of their character. They have been fleshed out well:
Wolverine: We don't even have to go into how much detail has been invested with the multiple flashbacks to his Weapon X days, his romantic conflict, his lack of memory, blah, blah and more blah.
Jean: Love Triangle, conflicted, flirtatious, lacking self-confidence and esteem at times. She is the mediator and problem solver, providing both the glue that holds things together and the hatchet that breaks them apart (i.e. with Logan and Scott). She is the center of each film's love story.
Bobby: Again, self-explanatory. We know all about the Drake Family and his background from X2.
Rogue: We know all about Marie's background and how she ran away from home in X1.
Magneto: We are treated to flashbacks to Erik's past in the Nazi concentration camps, and how he was snatched from his parents at a young age. In X1 he explains to Rogue how he and others arrived in New York as immigrants, but how the US turned out to be no "land of peace".
Nightcrawler: X2 spends much time developing his Mutant Circus history, as well as his experiences after he left that circle.
Mystique: Both films spend a lot of time touching on her school days mistreatment, her bottled anger and seething contempt for humanity, and her refusal to "look like everyone else". She gets almost too much screen time.
Professor X: His backstory is also explained thoroughly in X1, and his "bonding" with his brother-in-spirit Magneto is well documented.
Storm: Creates wind and more wind. Is scared of humans. Why? We don't know. Anger helps her survive. Against what? We don't know. She gave up on pity a long time ago. Why did she do this? We have no focking clue. There is no hint to what country she came from, let alone her past Goddess status in Africa, her adventures as a pick-pocket and other features.
But she can make a lot of wind though...and utter the worst punch-line in cinematic history. :rolleyes:
Don't tell me that Storm is anywhere near the characterization equivalent of her peers in this saga. :o
My whole point is that its not going to be tasteful, its just going to cash in on star power, and whatever tasteful or compelling material can come out of that is going to be brushed aside for the simple novelty of pairing up Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman. The question isn't a "Can we have a romance between Wolverine and Storm?" its Tom Rothman's question of, "Can we get Halle and Hugh to ****?"
Making this into a LOVE TRIANGLE between Storm, Wolverine, and Jean would also be complete and utter bull****. The whole point was in the comics AND the movies as well is that Jean is NOT really in love with Logan. Her attraction to Logan was purely superficial, and after looking into it she realizes that she's really in love with Scott. Scott is the person she wants to be with and truly loves deep down inside.
There's no reflection of the Emma, Scott, Jean triangle with Jean, Storm, and Wolverine at all. Jean and Scott were married! In the movies all Jean and Wolverine had was at best an IMMATURE attraction to each other. They never had a REAL relationship!
I agree with the above. :up:
Whoa, you must not really like storm period with that long put out draft you just posted up.
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 01:18 PM
The vast majority of people would disagree with you. Both critics, fans and general audiences have consistently and unaminously commented on how short-changed this particular character is (along with Scott Summers).
Yeah well that's great, I disagree.
That "resentment" is not accurate, and the fact that they put that there shows they don't truly understand the character. Storm doesn't resent humanity at all--she embraces the differences of cultures and works to make them coincide peacefully. You can't arrive to that conclusion if you're begrudingly resentful of them.
Yes, and now because of her relationship with Nightcrawler in the second movie, she can do that :) .
Singer admits he never touched an X-Men comic prior to 2000. He has also been said to not care much for Storm's character. Ratner *says* he's a huge fan but the proof will be in the pudding come May 2006.
When did he say that? X-men came out in 2000. He had been working on the movie since 1997. And we know that he had to have picked up an X-men comic before it was released in 2000. He had been doing that when Tom DeSanto first introduced him and got him involved with the project. BS.
And it takes more than being a fan of the comics. Singer became a fan when he started working on the movies. But Singer is also a competent and coherent director, storyteller, and filmmaker. Much more so than Ratner. And I think that's just as important as fandom of the comics.
But as someone who has read/collected these books with a particular passion for Storm, I can confidently tell you that Singer did indeed rewrite the character. He totally screwed her up royally. He custom-fit Storm for Halle, rather than transform Halle into Storm. :down
Singer's not the writer.
Storm is NOT mousy--and anyone who says she is simply does not know the character at all. Women that are worshipped as goddesses and held in high regard as royalty don't portray themselves that way. She is a woman of strength and fortitude--and even when she is at her weakest (i.e. in a claustrophobic situation) she generates more commanding presence and dominance in her pinky finger than movie Storm's whole on-screen experience.
I don't see how this is all Bryan Singer's fault. Halle Berry has NEVER convincingly played a strong, willed and powerful woman like Storm. Jinx in Die Another Day was a mediocre and lame character with some of the worst character. Maybe you know, its not within Halle Berry's capacity to play more than vulnerable, compassionate types. :D
Just wanted to put that on the table.
What, she stood there with her eyes rolled back for 1:30 seconds and created a cold wind???? :eek:
Whatever, you can generalize it like that, but if it wasn't for her seeing through the ruse and breaking Professor Xavier free, all the humans on the planet would've died. That's what happened in the movie. Her summoning up the of the tornadoes was a pretty HUGE display of her power as well IMHO. You can say, "OH SHE JUST SAT THERE" with her eyes white and find more things to complain about instead of emphasizing the positive things they did with her character.
Maybe Storm and Wolverine pairing will be just as great of a relationship as you claimed Alicia and Ben would be in Fantastic Four :p .
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 01:19 PM
edit
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 01:21 PM
Whoa, you must not really like storm period with that long put out draft you just posted up.
Huh? If you read the post you'd realize I adore Storm--that's the whole point.
As far as the length of the post, well...I'm known here for going to great lengths to substantiate my position on various matters. Sometimes a 2-sentence response is simply not strong enough to get my point across.
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 01:33 PM
I don't see how this is all Bryan Singer's fault. Halle Berry has NEVER convincingly played a strong, willed and powerful woman like Storm. Jinx in Die Another Day was a mediocre and lame character with some of the worst character. Maybe you know, its not within Halle Berry's capacity to play more than vulnerable, compassionate types. :D
Just wanted to put that on the table.
Allow me to put something else on the table. :cool:
How many movies featuring Halle Berry have you personally seen? Have you seen any of her works aside from 007 or Monster's Ball? Have you watched her dramatic roles i.e. Queen, or perhaps The Dorothy Dandridge Story? If you had, you'd see she certainly has the "capacity" as you put it...if the role calls for it. Hell, even in Catwoman she showed serious fire when she crashed her neighbor's house party. :rolleyes: And that movie was lackluster.
Whatever, you can generalize it like that, but if it wasn't for her seeing through the ruse and breaking Professor Xavier free, all the humans on the planet would've died. That's what happened in the movie. Her summoning up the of the tornadoes was a pretty HUGE display of her power as well IMHO. You can say, "OH SHE JUST SAT THERE" with her eyes white and find more things to complain about instead of emphasizing the positive things they did with her character.
Maybe Storm and Wolverine pairing will be just as great of a relationship as you claimed Alicia and Ben would be in Fantastic Four :p .
:rolleyes:
Way to miss my entire point about characterization, which is the usual response I get from you when I start coming with the facts. Talk about playing semantics. :o Vile, we aren't talking about SFX...we were talking about what it would take to make Storm a three-dimmensional character on screen.
Stop clinging to the SFX excuse--that shouldn't be all there is to Storm. Do you READ the comics? If you do, surely you can see there is a vast difference between what the comics suggest and the movie adaptation.
I don't know your last draft seem to drafted on the negative qualities that Storm (Halle) had in the movie. Thats all the writers fault on that, and the direction, although I'm not defending Halle cause as a actress she could have had a word in on it. Either that they need to drop her arse and pick up someone else. Anyway, I just thought it was to drawn out, yes I guess you just have to type it that way, but the point is, that I don't see the focus of it. Besides your whole "ROLO factor" thesis you presented, the whole factoral debate on this leads me to wonder, why should it matter. Now don't get me wrong there are going to be some diffrences in opinion on this matter. I believe that yes they did present storm in a indiffrence factor to a point, they did show alot of her strong prowress though. There is no escaping that Hollywood is always going to have there last say in things *which sucks* but were stuck with that not unless a studio can be developed were all comic based films are created there, and there will be no problem with licensing, commercial onslaught, or abbrevial deviants.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 01:36 PM
Edit...
Maybe Storm and Wolverine pairing will be just as great of a relationship as you claimed Alicia and Ben would be in Fantastic Four :p . To quote Ashton Cutcher's character from "that 70's show".....
Buuuuuuurrrnnn!
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 01:40 PM
Allow me to put something else on the table. :cool:
How many movies featuring Halle Berry have you personally seen? Have you seen any of her works aside from 007 or Monster's Ball? Have you watched her dramatic roles i.e. Queen, or perhaps The Dorothy Dandridge Story? If you had, you'd see she certainly has the "capacity" as you put it...if the role calls for it. Hell, even in Catwoman she showed serious fire when she crashed her neighbor's house party. :rolleyes: And that movie was lackluster.
Other than 007 or Monster's Ball? X-men 1 and X-men 2 :) .
But seriously of her movies she's appeared in that I've seen Robots (voice), Swordfish, Gothika, Bulworth (Beatty does rap), BAPS, Executive Decision, The Flinstones, Boomerang, The Program, and of course the fantastic Losing Isiah.
Citing CINO doesn't exactly help very much methinks.
Way to miss my entire point about characterization, which is the usual response I get from you when I start coming with the facts. Talk about playing semantics. :o Vile, weren't talking about SFX...we were talking about making Storm a three-dimmensional character on screen.
Stop clinging to the SFX excuse--that shouldn't be all there is to Storm.
I don't think that's all there is to Storm. You do :p .
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Anyway, I just thought it was to drawn out, yes I guess you just have to type it that way, but the point is, that I don't see the focus of it.
Well that's because it's really not for you Æ. ;) It's for Vile, whom I've known for quite some time here on SHH. And he has a history of purposely dodging points when they are clearly cut for him to read. So while a simple one or two-sentence statement would suffice for most, for him I have to lay it out concisely--bullet by bullet--to make sure he gets where I'm coming from. I don't do the semantics thing.
And as you can see, for all that thought and development I invested in my response to him, he still missed the entire point. :rolleyes:
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Yes, and for all of Dark Lightning's long winded bullet by bullet points, rants and explanations on how things will be and turn out in the movies, like Fantastic Four,...none of it really turns out to be relevant at all.
Slim_X
08-11-2005, 01:51 PM
Man, you're such a *****.
Lazmarquez
08-11-2005, 01:52 PM
I've quickly scanned most of the posts in this thread and although i won't go and respond to particular quotes, i wanted to chime in and give my two cents on this whole issue, as redundant as my opinions may sound at this point.
I'd like to start with saying a little something about Bryan Singer and everyone's rage about him changing the character up. Bryan was an amazing director folks, if he wasn't, we wouldnt even be here debating anything. We wouldnt care what happens next. He may not have been the biggest fan of the Xmen prior to his work on the films, but how is that a bad thing? Translating comics to films is not easy, and it can't be literally translated, otherwise it would be a big joke. That's why comics are comics (to be read and viewed) and Movies are movies. I enjoyed the fact that it was a director that could appreciate the darker, more serious tones of the idea of Xmen, rather than letting his knowledge and opinions of the book sway his judgments. Singer was fantastic, and If he could develop every other character pretty decently, why is it that Storm was so lack-luster? Maybe Ms.Berry cannot necessarily give across the energy and spirit of Storm. I've come to terms with it, they corrected her X1 flaws and dealt with their actress in the best ways they could. She wasn't terrible in X2. At least she lost that accent.
As for the whole "ROLO" thing, I agree with most when I say that it does seem like a cheap way for them to use Halle more and give her the ability to display the chemistry that she and Hugh had on Swordfish. But I never got the slightest hints that Storm and Logan would EVER be attracted to one another. I feel it also cheapens Wolverine somewhat. I feel as though the next film could have had a very impactful energy about it with Jean's return. Much like the comics where He of all people, has such a difficulty fighting Jeanie. Regardless to some opinions that Jean came across not loving Logan in the movies. I must say that i feel she did. I feel as though Jean just had a sense of unsurity when it came to logan due to his constant departures and lack of stability. Her allowing of the kiss was an example, and the twinkle in her eyes was another. Famke displayed this very well and look at her in the films, she is torn completley. This is why Scott seems so threatened. BUT, now with Storm and Wolvie together, it seems as though Logan takes any lady he can get.
And overall, I think the idea is just plain annoying. But there's nothing we can do, but wait and see how it comes across.. They might just surprise us all..
-Laz :xmen:
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 01:55 PM
Yes, and for all of Dark Lightning's long winded bullet by bullet points, rants and explanations on how things will be and turn out in the movies, like Fantastic Four,...none of it really turns out to be relevant at all.
Awwwww...looks like someone is still licking his wounds from the debates he lost at the Fantastic Four board, eh? :o
Don't make me embarrass you on this board too Vile. Tread lightly my friend, for I'm not as tolerant as my boy A1ant is.
Son Of Logan
08-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Ah...but can you imagine? Jean comes back. Sees Logan with Storm. Jean gets pissed. Logan won't fight Jean. That pisses off Storm.
Storm: You been lying with me every night, but you still love this b****?!? Oh, hell, no!!!
Cat fight!!! Cat fight!!!
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 01:57 PM
Going by the last 2 movies, I'd see Rogue/Wolverine as more likely than Storm/Wolverine.
And the amount of "'shipper" websites for that pairing (Rogue/Wolverine) is ridiculous. Its like, "Holy crap guys, they are like brother and sister not lovers!"
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Awwwww...looks like someone is still licking his wounds from the debates he lost at the Fantastic Four board, eh? :o
Don't make me embarrass you on this board too Vile. Tread lightly my friend, for I'm not as tolerant as my boy A1ant is.
Considering all that happened with CINO in 2004...I think I've been more than tolerant of a1ant :) .
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 02:09 PM
Considering all that happened with CINO in 2004...I think I've been more than tolerant of a1ant :) .
LOL....:p
What...ever.
Hunter Rider
08-11-2005, 02:10 PM
Man, you're such a *****.
Just curious as to who that was directed at ?:confused:
Anyway it's like where back on the F4 forum,with Vile and Lightnin going at it:eek:
As far as the relationship between Logan and Storm goes,it all depends on how it is shot and written,anyone says they know for sure how it will turn out is eating with the same hand they wipe their ass with
One thing is for sure,no matter what bones were thrown to Storm in X2 she still was nothing like her character,the material wasn't there that is tru but im not sure whether Halle could nail it if it was
Electrix
08-11-2005, 02:16 PM
Going by the last 2 movies, I'd see Rogue/Wolverine as more likely than Storm/Wolverine.
Thats like....pedophilia.
They have more of a father/daughter...Wolverine is protective over her...for him to just touch her leg or anything would just....*shivers*
Plus, Rogue has Bobby...and Gambit might come into the picture so she is sorted.
Wolverine and Storm is more realistic, purley because they are adults.
green
08-11-2005, 02:23 PM
anyone says they know for sure how it will turn out is eating with the same hand they wipe their ass with
Eww, just ewww. I was just about to have lunch. :(
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 02:24 PM
I've quickly scanned most of the posts in this thread and although i won't go and respond to particular quotes, i wanted to chime in and give my two cents on this whole issue, as redundant as my opinions may sound at this point.
I'd like to start with saying a little something about Bryan Singer and everyone's rage about him changing the character up. Bryan was an amazing director folks, if he wasn't, we wouldnt even be here debating anything. We wouldnt care what happens next. He may not have been the biggest fan of the Xmen prior to his work on the films, but how is that a bad thing? Translating comics to films is not easy, and it can't be literally translated, otherwise it would be a big joke. That's why comics are comics (to be read and viewed) and Movies are movies. I enjoyed the fact that it was a director that could appreciate the darker, more serious tones of the idea of Xmen, rather than letting his knowledge and opinions of the book sway his judgments. Singer was fantastic, and If he could develop every other character pretty decently, why is it that Storm was so lack-luster? Maybe Ms.Berry cannot necessarily give across the energy and spirit of Storm. I've come to terms with it, they corrected her X1 flaws and dealt with their actress in the best ways they could. She wasn't terrible in X2. At least she lost that accent.
As for the whole "ROLO" thing, I agree with most when I say that it does seem like a cheap way for them to use Halle more and give her the ability to display the chemistry that she and Hugh had on Swordfish. But I never got the slightest hints that Storm and Logan would EVER be attracted to one another. I feel it also cheapens Wolverine somewhat. I feel as though the next film could have had a very impactful energy about it with Jean's return. Much like the comics where He of all people, has such a difficulty fighting Jeanie. Regardless to some opinions that Jean came across not loving Logan in the movies. I must say that i feel she did. I feel as though Jean just had a sense of unsurity when it came to logan due to his constant departures and lack of stability. Her allowing of the kiss was an example, and the twinkle in her eyes was another. Famke displayed this very well and look at her in the films, she is torn completley. This is why Scott seems so threatened. BUT, now with Storm and Wolvie together, it seems as though Logan takes any lady he can get.
And overall, I think the idea is just plain annoying. But there's nothing we can do, but wait and see how it comes across.. They might just surprise us all..
-Laz :xmen:
Wow, nice post Laz.
I agree with much of what you said above. Personally, I'll be content with this ROLO thing if it's handled one of two ways:
1.) The ROLO factor is actually established in this film i.e. the attraction between Storm and Logan BEGINS in this film and develops slowly throughout X3, leaving the door open to a greater relationship in future installments,
or (and ONLY or)
2.) A long period of time (as in YEARS) has elapsed since Jean drowned, and Storm has become an instrumental friend in helping her surviving teammates Scott and especially Logan cope with their loss. THEN it would make more sense for the movie to pick up with them already being in a relationship. But that prior "bonding" has to be laid out clearly so audiences will know what's going on.
Timstuff
08-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Ah...but can you imagine? Jean comes back. Sees Logan with Storm. Jean gets pissed. Logan won't fight Jean. That pisses off Storm.
Storm: You been lying with me every night, but you still love this b****?!? Oh, hell, no!!!
Cat fight!!! Cat fight!!!
Then Storm causes a rainstrorm, but Phoenix tackles her and they both slam into a huge mud pit below, where their fighting continues. Best picture of the year, hands down. :D:up:
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Edit... Don't make me embarrass you on this board too Vile. Tread lightly my friend, To quote ... aww you guys know where this comes from...
"run forest, run forest, RUN!"
(im such a stinker, I just love instigating)
BluShaypeShyfte
08-11-2005, 02:26 PM
I think that time lapse would be best because Wolverine has shown no serious feelings for Storm in the last two films (and likewise). We don't even know if this is gonna be included in the film...I say, let's just wait and see.
Slim_X
08-11-2005, 02:29 PM
Just curious as to who that was directed at ?:confused:
Vile.
I'd like to see Logan and Storm having a very close friendship, but not a romance. I don't get why we never saw those two interact in the last 2 movies.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 02:33 PM
anyone says they know for sure how it will turn out is eating with the same hand they wipe their ass with *Wipes ass and eats a cheeseburger*
ROLO being greatest comic movie Romance = FAT CHANCE!
:rolleyes: Yup, you were right! Boy is there a bad taste in my mouth!
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Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 02:33 PM
Vile.
I'd like to see Logan and Storm having a very close friendship, but not a romance. I don't get why we never saw those two interact in the last 2 movies.
They had a little in X1.
S: "Where are you going?"
W: "To find her."
S: "Logan, you can't do this alone!"
W: "Are you going to help me? So far you guys have done a bang-up job."
S: "Then join us! Fight with us!"
W: "You mean join the "team"? Become an X-Man? There are people out there who fear and hate you and you're wasting your time protecting them? Magneto's right, there's a war coming. Are you sure you're on the right side?"
S: "At least I've chosen a side beeyotch."
:p
Son Of Logan
08-11-2005, 02:37 PM
S: "At least I've chosen a side beeyotch."
LMAO
Slim_X
08-11-2005, 02:37 PM
They had a little in X1.
S: "Where are you going?"
W: "To find her."
S: "Logan, you can't do this alone!"
W: "Are you going to help me? So far you guys have done a bang-up job."
S: "Then join us! Fight with us!"
W: "You mean join the "team"? Become an X-Man? There are people out there who fear and hate you and you're wasting your time protecting them? Magneto's right, there's a war coming. Are you sure you're on the right side?"
S: "At least I've chosen a side beeyotch."
:p
Oh yeah I forgot. There was also this great scene in X2 with them discussing babysitting.
Hunter Rider
08-11-2005, 02:38 PM
*Wipes ass and eats a cheeseburger*
:rolleyes: Yup, you were right! Boy is there a bad taste in my mouth!
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LMAO:p
awww come on senty at least wait until we see a sudo soft porn scene in the trailer before condeming the mutant rumpy :o :up:
Son Of Logan
08-11-2005, 02:40 PM
Oh yeah I forgot. There was also this great scene in X2 with them discussing babysitting.
Perfect fodder for their on-screen X3 romance.
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 02:46 PM
LMAO:p
awww come on senty at least wait until we see a sudo soft porn scene in the trailer before condeming the mutant rumpy :o :up: LOL
I know, I know... I actually posted this:
ROLO being greatest comic movie Romance = FAT CHANCE!
But I havent seen or heard exactly how this scenario will play out, so I will hold out hope! Im holding my breath against that "soft porn trailer", but this idea does give me the heebee geebees (did I just type that?) for one reason.
Two Words: Tom Rothman!
Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Slim_XOh yeah I forgot. There was also this great scene in X2 with them discussing babysitting.
Perfect fodder for their on-screen X3 romance.OMG...NOOOOOO!!!!
Storm: Hey wolverine, hold down the mansion, I need to run out for a while!
Wolverine: Do I look like a babysitter to you?
Storm: You look like whatever I say you look like, otherwise you can pull up that couch tonight instead of the warm confinds of my bed!
Wolverine: Only if you promise we can play "Baby-com-a-sitter" when you get back darlin'
Storm: "Did I mention I was going to Victoria Secret"
Wolverine: "OK KIDDIES STORY TIME...Doin the babysittin, makin the bottles, shakin the rattles, waitin for my stormy!"
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Angry Sentinel
08-11-2005, 03:00 PM
Edit... Freaky loo wackadoo!!
Lightning Strykez!
08-11-2005, 03:15 PM
You know what we need? A Slash thread. But I doubt Mirko would allow it.
green
08-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Did someone say Rolo......mmmmmmm Rolos
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Timstuff
08-11-2005, 03:55 PM
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Storm: Hey wolverine, hold down the mansion, I need to run out for a while!
Wolverine: Do I look like a babysitter to you?
Storm: You look like whatever I say you look like, otherwise you can pull up that couch tonight instead of the warm confinds of my bed!
Wolverine: Only if you promise we can play "Baby-com-a-sitter" when you get back darlin'
Storm: "Did I mention I was going to Victoria Secret"
Wolverine: "OK KIDDIES STORY TIME...Doin the babysittin, makin the bottles, shakin the rattles, waitin for my stormy!"
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ROTFLOL! Go Wolvie! :D
Electrix
08-11-2005, 03:57 PM
You know what we need? A Slash thread. But I doubt Mirko would allow it.
Whats one of them?
Hunter Rider
08-11-2005, 05:31 PM
LOL
I know, I know... I actually posted this:
Im holding my breath against that "soft porn trailer", but this idea does give me the heebee geebees (did I just type that?) for one reason.
Two Words: Tom Rothman!
The Last 2 words in your post are the reason no X Men fan can rest easy and this guy also has control over F4,DD and Silver Surfer:(
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 07:07 PM
Hopefully this whole thing is something that's been written out of the script.
Praise the Lord, let that be true!
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 07:14 PM
Liz, how can you anticipate the general movie audience will not "favour" a concept they haven't seen? At this point it'd be hard to guage what their reaction will be considering that Storm has been a 2-dimmensional character for 2 films straight. This is where Singer really handicapped Storm's cinematic personna--he hasn't built any kind of foundation whatsoever for her..
I guess most I gauge from the internet fan sites. Count how many people, mostly women, who like whcih relationships. People CAN get very stuck in their ways, like me.
I guess as an example, think of Buffy. TONS of Buffy/Angel fans... then Angel left and they TRIED to give her a new boyfriend, Joss realy liked Riley and wante dhim to be Buffy's boyfriend and for them to be a nice couple, but the fans wouldn't stop *****ing and *****ing and *****ing... so he got rid of it, because there were too many people that had liked The Buffy/Angel.
Now, I'm not sure why Spike/Buffy caught on so well but, methinks it's do to the fact that the core cople of Buffy/Angel had already been borken up for two seasons and the people were finally ready to except the fact that Buffy and Angel weren't getting back together.
I know that's only one example. But what I'm saying is it's hard to go from one estabished relationship to another without people getting bitter.
How many famous couple, after they break up the next one doesn't last and the public hates it? *oh I ment famous FAKE character couples.*
TA!
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 07:18 PM
There's no reflection of the Emma, Scott, Jean triangle with Jean, Storm, and Wolverine at all. Jean and Scott were married! In the movies all Jean and Wolverine had was at best an IMMATURE attraction to each other. They never had a REAL relationship![/QUOTE]
Maybe not but that had a means ass romantic one in the AOA Weapon X series... and they did scew a bit in Ultimate. True AU AU...
But I feel since they've more or less have Scott with Emma now, methinks they may Have a Wolverine/Jean whenever she comes back. Could be interesting.
Ballistic Liz
08-11-2005, 07:21 PM
Whats one of them?
The innocence of youth...
Slash: man on man... I LOVE my slash!!!
Timstuff
08-11-2005, 07:52 PM
Thanks, now I know to avoid it like teh plegg. :o
TheVileOne
08-11-2005, 08:37 PM
Maybe not but that had a means ass romantic one in the AOA Weapon X series... and they did scew a bit in Ultimate. True AU AU...
Yes, a relationship in Ultimate that lasted only like 2 issues and ended just as quickly as it started. And what happened there? Jean found true love and a real relationship with SCOTT.
They teased a Storm/Wolverine relationship in Ultimate for a bit, but once again no real relationship there.
But I feel since they've more or less have Scott with Emma now, methinks they may Have a Wolverine/Jean whenever she comes back. Could be interesting.
No it wouldn't. They established in the movies that Jean loves Scott and she is not going to pursue anything with Wolverine. This is how it is and should be. Turning it into what was Scott, Jean, and Emma in the comics does NOT work.
Lazmarquez
08-11-2005, 09:13 PM
I agree, The whole love triangle re-do would be very redundant, and just not be the same this time around..
the a1ant
08-11-2005, 09:24 PM
I know Jean truly loves Scott, but if Storm/Logan happens, then there will definently be some jealousy on her part :p
The Original Bamfer
08-11-2005, 09:45 PM
yup, I can just see Storm fearing Jean and running to ole' Wolvie... a good intro to a short Storm/Phoenix fight... :up:
yup, I can just see Storm fearing Jean and running to ole' Wolvie... a good intro to a short Storm/Phoenix fight... :up:
Storm fearing....whoa thats like a double negative, only fear Storm has is Claustarphobia (mind the spelling) and thats usually can be conquered, cause we she get into a tight spot, she lets all of her power out in a big way. Don't take storm for credit just because how fox interpets her. Storm can go straight psycho on somebody, and I would love to see her go crazy loco in X3.
The Original Bamfer
08-11-2005, 10:27 PM
I know she's pretty courageous, but think about it... your good friend? Going insane and so powerful that she could DEMOLECULIZE YOUR SORRY BUTT... I'd be freaked out. I know all about Storm, I read and have read the comics... I'm well educated, but I just think she may need to take a few steps back... into Logan.
I know she's pretty courageous, but think about it... your good friend? Going insane and so powerful that she could DEMOLECULIZE YOUR SORRY BUTT... I'd be freaked out. I know all about Storm, I read and have read the comics... I'm well educated, but I just think she may need to take a few steps back... into Logan.
Whoa, okay, um Storm is not as weak as you may think, yes you might have read the comics, but your missing the point. Storm would surely risk life and limb if she had to face Jean head to head. It would be a triumphant battle of just raw power!!
Ah, ok *(insert useless jibber jabber here)*
TheVileOne
08-12-2005, 01:35 AM
Whoa, okay, um Storm is not as weak as you may think, yes you might have read the comics, but your missing the point. Storm would surely risk life and limb if she had to face Jean head to head. It would be a triumphant battle of just raw power!!
I really doubt there is much Storm could do against an all powerful Phoenix.
BluShaypeShyfte
08-12-2005, 02:12 AM
I really doubt there is much Storm could do against an all powerful Phoenix.
...yeah, funny thing is... see I doubt there is much any of the X-Men could do against an all powerful Phoenix. But then again, these are the movies we are talking about. Totally different ball park.
Xfanfan
08-12-2005, 02:18 AM
Well I am more than sure that Storm can handle this Phoenix since her powers are not cosmic based so she is much more water down from the comic book version.
Xfanfan
Almighty Pejo
08-12-2005, 02:35 AM
Oh, yes. What's the ability to overcome death and resurrect oneself, telekinetically obliterate a man and overpower the most powerful telepath on the planet compared to some lightning bolts, precipitation and winds? Poor Phoenix...how ever will her unlimited powers overcome those wicked rain drops? Perhaps Batman will help her...with prep time, of course.
Timstuff
08-12-2005, 02:37 AM
Storm would put up a good fight. She was able to beat Wonder Woman afterall...
BluShaypeShyfte
08-12-2005, 02:47 AM
Oh, yes. What's the ability to overcome death and resurrect oneself, telekinetically obliterate a man and overpower the most powerful telepath on the planet compared to some lightning bolts, precipitation and winds? Poor Phoenix...how ever will her unlimited powers overcome those wicked rain drops? Perhaps Batman will help her...with prep time, of course.
Hey! Storm is the underdeveloped one here...don't even start w/ that Phoenix crap ( ;) ) j/k
Almighty Pejo
08-12-2005, 02:52 AM
It is what it is, yo! Strom'd be pwned by Feenickx!!!1111
BluShaypeShyfte
08-12-2005, 02:53 AM
If only I understood what appears to be a rebuttle!
Almighty Pejo
08-12-2005, 02:54 AM
If only...if only...
:p
Ballistic Liz
08-12-2005, 02:56 AM
No it wouldn't. They established in the movies that Jean loves Scott and she is not going to pursue anything with Wolverine. This is how it is and should be. Turning it into what was Scott, Jean, and Emma in the comics does NOT work.
Sorry the comment about Scott, Emma, Jean and Logan was about the comics ONLY not the movie, I'd like to see Wolvie and Jean get together for a bit in the comics when she gets back.
Whatever happens, I really don't think that X3 EVEN needs any romanic or sex, I think it should have more racal stuff and important plot stuff than relationships anyway.
BluShaypeShyfte
08-12-2005, 02:58 AM
Yea, but we are not asking for sex. We want the relationship done justice, if done at all.
Ballistic Liz
08-12-2005, 03:04 AM
Yea, but we are not asking for sex. We want the relationship done justice, if done at all.
True but with so many characters, backstories and other plot, if it does happen it'd won't be much, so really why bother?
From my oint of view, if someone I loved came back to life, I'd kinda forget, at least for a bit, whoever new person I'm with, and I'd be in absoulte awe and happyness.
Angry Sentinel
08-12-2005, 08:03 AM
The Last 2 words in your post are the reason no X Men fan can rest easy and this guy also has control over F4,DD and Silver Surfer:(He's two for three so far in screwing up the big screen production. How much you wanna wager he's going for the Tri-fecta! :down
Commander Locke: "Three properties.... one stupid producer. I take it all three were lost in equally fruitless and pointless attempts at sexual deviancy!"
Angry Sentinel
08-12-2005, 08:14 AM
Edit... Poor Phoenix...how ever will her unlimited powers overcome those wicked rain drops? Perhaps Batman will help her...with prep time, of course. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif Sentinel laughs@ pejo... dont ever crack jokes like that while Im drinking!
Batman's "vaunted" prep time arguements are some of the funniest things I've read in my life. Yeah he's good, and very surpising at time but sheesh!
Hunter Rider
08-12-2005, 08:18 AM
He's two for three so far in screwing up the big screen production. How much you wanna wager he's going for the Tri-fecta! :down
Commander Locke: "Three properties.... one stupid producer. I take it all three were lost in equally fruitless and pointless attempts at sexual deviancy!"
I can almost see the pitch for SS now
Rothman:" I gots it guys,lets get rid of the philosophy and the proper origin,our Surfer is a dude played by Paul Walker who surf's the raddest waves in Malibu who gets hit by a cosmic storm lightning bolt that turns him into the silver surfer
His step dad is jake Galactus,owner of a million dollar company that is dumping toxic waste into Surfers beloved ocean,he must stop his step dad at all costs--half baked FX,Bad dialogue and hijinks ensue:o
Angry Sentinel
08-12-2005, 08:45 AM
I can almost see the pitch for SS now
Rothman:" I gots it guys,lets get rid of the philosophy and the proper origin,our Surfer is a dude played by Paul Walker who surf's the raddest waves in Malibu who gets hit by a cosmic storm lightning bolt that turns him into the silver surfer. His step dad is jake Galactus,owner of a million dollar company that is dumping toxic waste into Surfers beloved ocean,he must stop his step dad at all costs--half baked FX,Bad dialogue and hijinks ensue:o OMG Paul WALKER hahahaa... JAKE GALACTUS hahahaHAA....TOXIC WASTE!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA....
*Sentinel realizes how true it is* :(
Counsel: Commander, What do you think are our chances?
Commander Locke: If I were you I wouldnt ask me that right now, I would ask him *points to some really optimistic person at SHH*
Counsel: Why is that Commander?
Commander Locke: Because he's the one that believes everyone at FOX is a GOD!
*Looks at post*... I may just parody the matrix all day http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 09:06 AM
Oh, yes. What's the ability to overcome death and resurrect oneself, telekinetically obliterate a man and overpower the most powerful telepath on the planet compared to some lightning bolts, precipitation and winds? Poor Phoenix...how ever will her unlimited powers overcome those wicked rain drops? Perhaps Batman will help her...with prep time, of course.
Don't tempt me. :o
Hunter Rider
08-12-2005, 09:12 AM
OMG Paul WALKER hahahaa... JAKE GALACTUS hahahaHAA....TOXIC WASTE!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA....
*Sentinel realizes how true it is* :(
Counsel: Commander, What do you think are our chances?
Commander Locke: If I were you I wouldnt ask me that right now, I would as him *points to some really optimistic person at SHH*
Counsel: Why is that Commander?
Commander Locke: Because he's the one that believes everyone at FOX is a GOD!
*Looks at post*... I may just parody the matrix all day http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gifIf only this little exchange was but the caustic/perverse humour of 2 SHH members and not a facsimilie of the inevitable truth:up: :(
Endeavor
08-12-2005, 09:53 AM
Oh, yes. What's the ability to overcome death and resurrect oneself, telekinetically obliterate a man and overpower the most powerful telepath on the planet compared to some lightning bolts, precipitation and winds? Poor Phoenix...how ever will her unlimited powers overcome those wicked rain drops? Perhaps Batman will help her...with prep time, of course.
ROFLMAO!
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:29 AM
Rolo GALLERY III
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For those with slower PCs there is a thumbnailed version for you too. :p
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:31 AM
Rolo GALLERY IV
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Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:34 AM
Rolo GALLERY V
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Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:37 AM
Rolo GALLERY V
These panels show the arguements and affectionate interchanges
between Storm and Logan over the decades.
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3011/rolo34ls.jpg
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Xfanfan
08-12-2005, 10:37 AM
Hey does images are great thanks for the gallery. I wanted to ask something, I thougt I had heard something about a conversation where Storm confesses to Jean that she had a crush on Logan or something like that. not only that but Storm seemed to be flirtatious when Logan had came back to the mansion so all of this could be hints of the relationship. Anyway Im looking forward to this relationship in X3 and hope they do it right.
Xfanfan
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:38 AM
Rolo GALLERY VI
Last one for today anyway....
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7420/rolo44xz.jpg
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7420/rolo44xz.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rolo44xz.jpg)
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 10:41 AM
Hey does images are great thanks for the gallery. I wanted to ask something, I thougt I had heard something about a conversation where Storm confesses to Jean that she had a crush on Logan or something like that. not only that but Storm seemed to be flirtatious when Logan had came back to the mansion so all of this could be hints of the relationship. Anyway Im looking forward to this relationship in X3 and hope they do it right.
Xfanfan
Hello Xfanfan,
Are you referring to something that happened in the movie or the source material? Also, where is your avatar lady? :o
Xfanfan
08-12-2005, 10:47 AM
Hello Xfanfan,
Are you referring to something that happened in the movie or the source material? Also, where is your avatar lady? :o
Im referring to something that was suppose to happen in X2. I guess they never filmed it or it was cut, but it was suppose to be a conversation in the Xjet. I haven't put up an avatar yet but don't worry I'll put one up soon.
Xfanfan
Thanks for the pics lightning :)
Ditto, looks like you put alot of research into this.
Hugh'sMrs
08-12-2005, 04:30 PM
Rolo GALLERY VI
Last one for today anyway....
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7420/rolo44xz.jpg
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7420/rolo44xz.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rolo44xz.jpg)
I have that issue and it's actually Rogue on the cover, so that's just a manip.
Hugh'sMrs
08-12-2005, 04:37 PM
Im referring to something that was suppose to happen in X2. I guess they never filmed it or it was cut, but it was suppose to be a conversation in the Xjet. I haven't put up an avatar yet but don't worry I'll put one up soon.
Xfanfan
It's in the novelization by Chris Claremont. Page 87 to be precise. It expands a bit from the deleted scene in the jet as Storm and Jean are leaving to go to Boston. Storm says Logan has the look and Jean tells her to take him off of her hands before there's a disaster. Storm replies: "I like him, Jean, But what I feel, it's minor league. You two, you're the show."
I don't know if that was in the draft that Claremont was working from or if it was his own addition. As Storm and Logan had NO exchange in X1 that would lead anyone to think she was attracted to him I can see why this didn't make it into the movie.
Lightning Strykez!
08-12-2005, 05:41 PM
I have that issue and it's actually Rogue on the cover, so that's just a manip.
I know. :yellow:
Do you like it?
Jan Irisi
08-12-2005, 08:09 PM
I know. :yellow:
Do you like it?
OT: Why did you change your name again? I was just getting used to the old...uh...new one. You are just doing that to confuse me, aren't you?
It doesn't matter if they do get it on in x-3,cause we all know she isn't in the wolvy spin-off so he's just going to dump her ass at the end of x-3 to go find his past.
aaron
08-13-2005, 07:55 AM
is the spin-off definitely set after x3?
I would have thought so,no doubt the whole phoenix thing some how brings some clue to his past.Is it just my computer or is anyone else finding this forum a little sluggish.
aaron
08-13-2005, 08:07 AM
mines ok. was going slow an hour or so ago.
Ok thanks my computer must just suck.
Wynne
08-13-2005, 08:26 AM
I think I just died a little inside!
Why dont they just change the name from Xmen3 to Three Days of Xmen lives and aire it around 1pm on FOX!
Precisely how I feel about a Storm/Jean/Logan love triangle. VOOOOOOOOOOOMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII T. Storm/Logan: Okay. Triangles: BAD. BADBADBADBADBAD. A triangle ruined Alias for a whole season, after all.
I can confidently tell you that Singer did indeed rewrite the character. He totally screwed her up royally. He custom-fit Storm for Halle, rather than transform Halle into Storm. :down
Damned straight. I think Singer did some things very right, but he dropped the ball on Storm. He should have worked with Halle and gotten her to be more tough and regal rather than delicate. As it was, she seemed rather too much of a soft snuggly bunny, even in her big scene with Toad. Okay, but not authentic for Storm.
S: "At least I've chosen a side beeyotch."
Yeeeaaaah. I've gotta admit, that was pretty awesome.
Regardless to some opinions that Jean came across not loving Logan in the movies. I must say that i feel she did. I feel as though Jean just had a sense of unsurity when it came to logan due to his constant departures and lack of stability. Her allowing of the kiss was an example, and the twinkle in her eyes was another. Famke displayed this very well and look at her in the films, she is torn completley.
"Constant departures"? Honey, that's a whole lot of nonsense. What does a single departure of a mere acquaintance matter? After Logan leaves in X-Men, having shown no further interactions with Jean than sexual banter and a little bit of her trying to dig up his adamantium tank sequence, he doesn't come back until X2. It's not like he was there for her at this vital time in her life. It's not like she was the only one who ever truly understood him. ROGUE was the one who understood him, who connected with him. With Jean, it was mere sexual tension... "Couldn't wait to get my shirt off, eh?" Funny, but lacking content and romance of ANY sort--until, poof, X2: "Oh, Jean, darling... I've finally come home to you... let's make little Wolvie-babies; I can be the good guy... and there's absolutely no solid reason I can name for this decision because my character development is so bad that it hinges completely on being a better man for a woman I merely lusted after in the first movie and DON'T KNOW AT ALL."
Neither one of these people knows the other in the movies. Don't let the comics creep in and excuse bad scriptwriting; the relationships need to be established on-screen or not at all. In the movies, we see their interactions, Logan tries to leave only once before he does anything but choke Jean, after which he only leaves to find Rogue, and it's not like they know each other well enough for Jean to even have a reason to care he HAD to leave. And by the end of X2 they and the rest of the team have all together experienced a crisis, but still they don't know each other and still she has Scott and still there's nothing between them but sexual interaction/tension, and Logan still feels like he has to leave.
She SHOULDN'T come off as loving Logan regardless--because Jean doesn't. She is drawn to the bad boy, as she herself even in the movies says. He is hot, he's the wrong kind of man, she cares about him as a human being and that's it. That's the extent of it. She loves Scott. She ONLY EVER has loved Scott, and any 'love' she feels for Wolvie is the love any person can feel for someone attractive that they appreciate.
It's just like real life--the hot bad boy you might convince yourself you love because you care about him and he's sexy, but he's still wrong for you and not half the man the nice guy is.
And the amount of "'shipper" websites for that pairing (Rogue/Wolverine) is ridiculous. Its like, "Holy crap guys, they are like brother and sister not lovers!"
That's part of why it's so much better--unlike with Jean or other women strictly 'his age' (physically), there's an element of unselfishness; he can't go straight to thinking about sex like he does with... well, almost everybody else.
After all, the women in the tent scene, we're told are the women of Logan's fantasies--he's attracted to Rogue. He wouldn't do anything untoward where she is concerned because he is an honorable guy and he cares about her, but he still is a man and recognizes her jailbait status. It's not JUST brotherly however much he'd like it to be.
Logan/Rogue could and would sneak up on Logan; he wouldn't at ALL want to think of her that way at first, it would be too weird. She'd have to grow up and he'd have to realize she's not a kid anymore before it would work. But when it did, it WOULD work because he wouldn't be able to be led around by her sexuality. He would be too conscious of hurting her to allow mere lust to drive him--for once! ;)
Thats like....pedophilia.
No, it's possibly May/December after she's legal--but then again, Wolverine is so old it's basically 'pedophilia' if he's with ANYBODY.
Except Rogue.
Seriously, think about it--only Rogue has him inside her head, as well as the other old people. She has that life experience absorbed to a degree; that's part of her character. Only she can truly understand the feeling of being young outside, yet old inside.
She's the only woman alive who is as 'old' as he is.
Furthermore, Jean has less of her life left... she will keep aging while Wolvie stays the same. Rogue, on the other hand, is young now, and with her powers, might be able to periodically absorb some of Wolvie's abilities and keep herself alive longer.
Plus, Rogue has Bobby...and Gambit might come into the picture so she is sorted.
Yeah, Rogue has Bobby... and Bobby's a rather flat character. They're so young that it is very doubtful to work out.
I also don't really see any reason to like Gambit (yeah, whatever, everyone loves him but me; don't bother reminding me, I already know because I've heard all the Gambit love eight million times before), especially since he hasn't even been introduced and I'm sick of scads of new characters crowding out character development, thousands of times more when they're only there as love interests.
"Storm and Wolvie are older" is not the only realistic option; age isn't realism. I've known May/December relationships in real life. Not my cup of tea AT ALL, but it happens, and often enough they're very happy. Usually with an age difference like that, people will ONLY go for each other if it's truly right.
I guess as an example, think of Buffy. TONS of Buffy/Angel fans... then Angel left and they TRIED to give her a new boyfriend, Joss realy liked Riley and wante dhim to be Buffy's boyfriend and for them to be a nice couple, but the fans wouldn't stop *****ing and *****ing and *****ing... so he got rid of it, because there were too many people that had liked The Buffy/Angel.
Now, I'm not sure why Spike/Buffy caught on so well but, methinks it's do to the fact that the core cople of Buffy/Angel had already been borken up for two seasons and the people were finally ready to except the fact that Buffy and Angel weren't getting back together.
Whereas, there are even now people like me who are STILL all "BUFFY AND ANGEL FOREVER WHEDON YOU SON OF A BASS!!!" and I like Whedon, so that's some real passion right there.
I go back and watch them onscreen together and just... nothing ever worked so well as they did. Nothing was that beautiful on either show--or even most any show I can think of. And I feel so cheated by how it ended... Buffy screwing some stupid playboy; so out of character. It was like he couldn't find or didn't have time for the emotion, so he just fell back on the humor. And I do forgive Whedon for that, but it was such sad ass.
Besides the distance of time, part of the reason Spike/Buffy worked is because it was funny and it was realistic for the characters--it was never supposed to be "Spike is the new real true love of Buffy's life." Like Jean, Buffy's feelings were pretty much based on mutual respect, compassion, human need and a whole lot of pure animal LUST. The show never really pretended this was the love of her life, or his. That's why it was forgivable.
Whatever happens, I really don't think that X3 EVEN needs any romanic or sex, I think it should have more racal stuff and important plot stuff than relationships anyway.
YEAH. *infinite high-fives* Let's have lots and lots of Pyro, Angel, Magneto, and Xavier. Oh, and Jean/Scott, and a tougher Storm, and some more Rogue, particularly with Wolvie... okay, my ships are showing, so I'm going to stop.
EWWWWWWW,wolvy and rogue-no.
Wynne
08-13-2005, 09:03 AM
Ah, yes... the cutting single-word arguments of a person who can't spell Wolvie. I am crushed beneath the weight of your witty repartee and sardonic banter. My every thrust has been met with my nemesis' blindingly clever ripostes. Next time I'll know better than to step on the master's turf. I shall forever fear a repeat performance of this verbal thrashing.
Endeavor
08-13-2005, 11:54 AM
"Constant departures"? Honey, that's a whole lot of nonsense. What does a single departure of a mere acquaintance matter? After Logan leaves in X-Men, having shown no further interactions with Jean than sexual banter and a little bit of her trying to dig up his adamantium tank sequence, he doesn't come back until X2. It's not like he was there for her at this vital time in her life. It's not like she was the only one who ever truly understood him. ROGUE was the one who understood him, who connected with him. With Jean, it was mere sexual tension... "Couldn't wait to get my shirt off, eh?" Funny, but lacking content and romance of ANY sort--until, poof, X2: "Oh, Jean, darling... I've finally come home to you... let's make little Wolvie-babies; I can be the good guy... and there's absolutely no solid reason I can name for this decision because my character development is so bad that it hinges completely on being a better man for a woman I merely lusted after in the first movie and DON'T KNOW AT ALL."
Neither one of these people knows the other in the movies. Don't let the comics creep in and excuse bad scriptwriting; the relationships need to be established on-screen or not at all. In the movies, we see their interactions, Logan tries to leave only once before he does anything but choke Jean, after which he only leaves to find Rogue, and it's not like they know each other well enough for Jean to even have a reason to care he HAD to leave. And by the end of X2 they and the rest of the team have all together experienced a crisis, but still they don't know each other and still she has Scott and still there's nothing between them but sexual interaction/tension, and Logan still feels like he has to leave.
She SHOULDN'T come off as loving Logan regardless--because Jean doesn't. She is drawn to the bad boy, as she herself even in the movies says. He is hot, he's the wrong kind of man, she cares about him as a human being and that's it. That's the extent of it. She loves Scott. She ONLY EVER has loved Scott, and any 'love' she feels for Wolvie is the love any person can feel for someone attractive that they appreciate.
It's just like real life--the hot bad boy you might convince yourself you love because you care about him and he's sexy, but he's still wrong for you and not half the man the nice guy is.
:up: :up: :up:
Ah, yes... the cutting single-word arguments of a person who can't spell Wolvie. I am crushed beneath the weight of your witty repartee and sardonic banter. My every thrust has been met with my nemesis' blindingly clever ripostes. Next time I'll know better than to step on the master's turf. I shall forever fear a repeat performance of this verbal thrashing.[Ions plays a sad tune on a violin] :rolleyes:
the a1ant
08-13-2005, 12:37 PM
^ur strange with ur odd text thingies :D :p
snwboarder88
08-13-2005, 01:06 PM
yea its really annoying...
Miss Kitty
08-14-2005, 10:31 AM
Ah, yes... the cutting single-word arguments of a person who can't spell Wolvie. I am crushed beneath the weight of your witty repartee and sardonic banter. My every thrust has been met with my nemesis' blindingly clever ripostes. Next time I'll know better than to step on the master's turf. I shall forever fear a repeat performance of this verbal thrashing.
oh snap!
:up: :up: :up:
Lightning Strykez!
08-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Ah, yes... the cutting single-word arguments of a person who can't spell Wolvie. I am crushed beneath the weight of your witty repartee and sardonic banter. My every thrust has been met with my nemesis' blindingly clever ripostes. Next time I'll know better than to step on the master's turf. I shall forever fear a repeat performance of this verbal thrashing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/superslap.jpg
That was a bit over the top P3WNage but... :0
Ah, yes... the cutting single-word arguments of a person who can't spell Wolvie. I am crushed beneath the weight of your witty repartee and sardonic banter. My every thrust has been met with my nemesis' blindingly clever ripostes. Next time I'll know better than to step on the master's turf. I shall forever fear a repeat performance of this verbal thrashing.And my reply to you is kiss my ass.How's that for witty repartee. :eek:
Wynne
08-15-2005, 08:20 AM
Oh! The master strikes again. I must flee before he taunts me another time.
(And with thanks to my lovely supporters.)
I am the master and don't you forget it.lol.Your just a sniveling pompous idiot,who isn't worth my time or effort to insult.Plus i'm a she not a he,so I quess i'm more your mistress than master. :)
Wynne
08-15-2005, 08:27 AM
I always find it amusing when a baboon laughs at the asses of bystanders, particularly when he himself is not sitting down. But now I'm just thrashing a long-dead horse. Poor horse... farewell.
That proves my point-pompous and pretentious.lol
Wynne
08-15-2005, 08:40 AM
I am the master and don't you forget it.lol.Your just a sniveling pompous idiot,who isn't worth my time or effort to insult.
Now, when you say such things and then continue to spend your time and effort to vaguely, weakly insult someone, you negate the purpose of responding. Really, what's the point?
That proves my point-pompous and pretentious.lol
Ah, yes... so unlike yourself. But I'll be the bigger person and let you have your little last word, if you'd like to have it. This has been truly funny, but I don't want to waste anymore of the forums' bandwidth on it no matter how cute it is when you tell yourself you've won.
I don't need to tell myself anything,because i'm not the pompous one around here.If you must feel your so superior to me go ahead,I really don't care,I don't have to use big words to try and impress everyone-if you do well that's your right.
TNC9852002
08-15-2005, 08:57 AM
**starts to cry a little**
-TNC
Lightning Strykez!
08-15-2005, 09:48 AM
http://www.spokane.net/photogallery/springweb/images/Lightning%20Strikes.jpg
Okay you two. I dub thee both Master And Mistress of Destruction. :p Now can we get back on topic please?
megawatt
08-15-2005, 09:54 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/superslap.jpg
That was a bit over the top P3WNage but... :0
ROFLMAO
Lightning...I LOVE YOU! :up:
Angry Sentinel
08-15-2005, 10:38 AM
**starts to cry a little**
-TNC Sentinel laughs @ TNC
Lightning Strykez!
08-15-2005, 09:03 PM
ROFLMAO
Lightning...I LOVE YOU! :up:
http://www.applepics.com/5/userfiles/41633310e4c6e.gif
http://www.geocities.com/so_lo87/suckstobeyou.gif
LOL!!
TNC9852002
08-15-2005, 11:32 PM
LOL...I remember that gif.. :p
-TNC
Ballistic Liz
08-15-2005, 11:49 PM
yay fighting!
But mom he started it.lol
Lightning Strykez!
08-29-2005, 07:00 PM
Bumping for new thoughts in accordance with JPSketch's board laws....
I don't see there being any love triangles between Logan and Storm and Jean, just a romance between the two and I like it since I've always thought Logan and Storm are a good pair in the comics.
firehawk66
09-04-2005, 10:32 PM
:ghost: If they develop the same kind of "tension" between Storm & Wolverine that he had with Jean, that would be plenty for me. Personally, I think they should follow up with Storm & Hank (Beast). Her "goddess" persona and Hank's "flair" would be a good match, in my opinion. Maybe even have a triangle with Storm, Beast (being the "new guy" in the mansion) and Logan might spur some interesting comments and word play with in the movie.;) :wolverine
Lightning Strykez!
09-06-2005, 08:00 AM
There was conflict between them from afar in the first film. It'd be nice to see Storm and Logan NOT getting along at all, maybe bickering and fighting a bit over matters pertaining to the team or the children, etc. In other words, a complete contrast to what he had with Jean. And maybe from that tension, something develops between them.
I mean, how many of us had that one classmate in school that we hated and fought with, and ended up being fast friends by the end of the 2nd semester? ;) I seriously doubt we'll see a nasty sex-scene between these two since it will be PG-13, but a budding romance seems to be the way the writers are going to go, and I'm fine with that if it works.
After all, love is often born from adversity.
Angry Sentinel
09-06-2005, 08:03 AM
Bumping for new thoughts in accordance with JPSketch's board laws.... Hey I missed the laws? are they posted in the "Get your Xmen info here" thread?
Lightning Strykez!
09-06-2005, 08:07 AM
Yes....
Jan Irisi
09-06-2005, 08:08 AM
There was conflict between them from afar in the first film. It'd be nice to see Storm and Logan NOT getting along at all, maybe bickering and fighting a bit over matters pertaining to the team or the children, etc. In other words, a complete contrast to what he had with Jean. And maybe from that tension, something develops between them.
I mean, how many of us had that one classmate in school that we hated and fought with, and ended up being fast friends by the end of the 2nd semester? ;) I seriously doubt we'll see a nasty sex-scene between these two since it will be PG-13, but a budding romance seems to be the way the writers are going to go, and I'm fine with that if it works.
After all, love is often born from adversity.
:up:
I have a feeling that all we will see between the two is a growing understanding how each views his or her role. Each has differing views on the protection of the kids, and if Cyke, for one reason or another, is out of the picture, they will most certainly bump heads as they will be the only two remaining "adults" left to run the team. And even if Cyke is around running the show, it would still be up to Storm to pull Wolverine into line, as Cyke and Wolverine would simply try to out-testosterone each other. Storm will be the one to get Logan to be a team player instead of a one man destruction squad.
You actually think wolvy would ever really be a team player.
Jan Irisi
09-06-2005, 08:21 AM
You actually think wolvy would ever really be a team player.
Yes I do. I think he wants to be at this point. I think Jean drove that point home as well, indirectly, that he was not a team player. It will be Storm who will be the vehicle to make Wolverine realize that he has to work with the others in order to succeed, and not venture off on his own, to do his own thing. She will also get him to realize that his way is not always the right way. It'll be a tough job, as Wolverine is a stubborn man, but this could be the opportunity for Storm to reveal she has the "testicular fortitude" to stand up to him. Actually, these scenes could make for a good show for her.
Lightning Strykez!
09-06-2005, 08:38 AM
Nice concepts Jan. :up:
Jan Irisi
09-06-2005, 08:40 AM
Nice concepts Jan. :up:
Teehee....I do have my more lucid moments.... :p
Lightning Strykez!
09-09-2005, 08:10 PM
Teehee....I do have my more lucid moments.... :p
Aye, and they are brilliant moments at that. ;):up:
Ororocity
10-07-2005, 12:49 PM
RoLo is a great couple I have no doubts bout dat
Lightning Strykez!
10-07-2005, 12:56 PM
I honestly don't think this is even going to happen still. Even though much of what AICN leaked out has proven true, I know there have been many revisions to the script since then, and several elements have been dropped out.
I think ROLO may have been one of them. I think the film's principal love story will revolve around Jean and Scott...or maybe the group's overall love and affection for Jean and their efforts to "calm" her down to reality. There just isn't room for a tryst between Storm and Logan now....even if it is happening in the comics currently.
HighVoltage
10-07-2005, 03:25 PM
I want another " ROLO " Thread;
Rogue & Logan.:up::up::xmen::wolverine
Endeavor
10-07-2005, 03:38 PM
I want Storm to hook up with Forge! :mad:
Wolverine should never ever ever hook up with anybody. He needs to remain forever alone and suffer like the dog he is... :D
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/product_banner_rolo2.gif
Here ya go, a created this for the thread...yummy!
Son Of Logan
10-07-2005, 03:58 PM
Wolverine should never ever ever hook up with anybody. He needs to remain forever alone and suffer like the dog he is... :D
Don't be talkin' about my dad like that.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/product_banner_rolo2.gif
Here ya go, a created this for the thread...yummy!
LOL
Neto Magnus
10-07-2005, 04:07 PM
I honestly don't think this is even going to happen still. Even though much of what AICN leaked out has proven true, I know there have been many revisions to the script since then, and several elements have been dropped out.
I think ROLO may have been one of them. I think the film's principal love story will revolve around Jean and Scott...or maybe the group's overall love and affection for Jean and their efforts to "calm" her down to reality. There just isn't room for a tryst between Storm and Logan now....even if it is happening in the comics currently.
let's just hope at least they have a drunken one night stand. I can never see a relationship between them seeing how they were in the first 2 films.
Lightning Strykez!
10-07-2005, 04:09 PM
I want another " ROLO " Thread;
Rogue & Logan.:up::up::xmen::wolverine
That's downright incestuous.
:down
Yes that is pretty crazy, Rouge and Wolverine...what is she supposed to be like 17 in the movie, and Wolverine is like 68...craziness
Lightning Strykez!
10-07-2005, 04:14 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/product_banner_rolo2.gif
Here ya go, a created this for the thread...yummy!
That's tite! :eek::up:
Check out the first post of this thread now!
Neto Magnus
10-07-2005, 04:17 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/product_banner_rolo2.gif
Here ya go, a created this for the thread...yummy!
ah now i'm hungry.
hey how come you never put this up...
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7116/sonnyluciferx3junglefever2dl.jpg
Endeavor
10-07-2005, 04:18 PM
Don't be talkin' about my dad like that.
LOL
He's a mangy mutt and you know it. :p
Endeavor
10-07-2005, 04:19 PM
I say we start a RoFo or FoRo thread.
Lightning Strykez!
10-07-2005, 04:20 PM
ah now i'm hungry.
hey how come you never put this up...
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7116/sonnyluciferx3junglefever2dl.jpg
ROTFLMBAO!!! :eek::D:D:D:D
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