Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Bastila]

X4: What Really Happened in X3 :p

we wish lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wish too :(

[Bastila]

Thats all we can do lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I want singer back!!

[Bastila]

Me to, he should do X4.

[DarknessOfDeath]

no he should do X3/X4

[Bastila]

Well yeah or the whole of X3 done again and X4 back to back but X4 really as X3 has been done.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well they could tweek it... insert new scenes

[Bastila]

yeah they could but Fox wont let that happen. Or would they?

[FaT_tONle]

In X4 show Cyclops like shooting Pheonix with the laser and then flying into the lake or something unconscious... then he is picked up by Sinister or some *****... maybe he stumbles on a secret base where SInister is doing his cloning experiments and he gets captured.... that's the only way I can see it... my only prblem is wtf is Sinister doing at Alkalai Lake...

[LastSunrise1981]

In X4 show Cyclops like shooting Pheonix with the laser and then flying into the lake or something unconscious... then he is picked up by Sinister or some *****... maybe he stumbles on a secret base where SInister is doing his cloning experiments and he gets captured.... that's the only way I can see it... my only prblem is wtf is Sinister doing at Alkalai Lake...

Good question. Maybe finding Strykers old base and gathering some information for his cloning experiments? And just so happens to luck out and find Scott unconcious?

Or as Bastilla said, he could have an underground lair and just be at Strykers old base gathering information. He hears the rising of Phoenix and watches Cyclops be knocked back by the Phoenix into the woods.

Those are two scenarios a writer could use.

[Bastila]

In X4 show Cyclops like shooting Pheonix with the laser and then flying into the lake or something unconscious... then he is picked up by Sinister or some *****... maybe he stumbles on a secret base where SInister is doing his cloning experiments and he gets captured.... that's the only way I can see it... my only prblem is wtf is Sinister doing at Alkalai Lake...

He has an undergroud layer?

[FaT_tONle]

Good question. Maybe finding Strykers old base and gathering some information for his cloning experiments? And just so happens to luck out and find Scott unconcious?

Far fetched *****... but I could see it... the only problem is if they have to shoot an extension to that scene... its with new cast members... and that's something that just might not fly...

[Pizzaboy1138]

He could clone Scott several times.

:cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :wolverine :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:

They could surround the Wolverine and melt him into a puddle.

[Bastila]

He could clone Scott several times.

:cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :wolverine :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:

They could surround the Wolverine and melt him into a puddle.

lol good plan.

[Pizzaboy1138]

~Die-Hard Underworld fan~


I like these movies a lot.
Finally Vampire movies where there's actually some blood involved. *g*

[echostation]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

sorry but they screwed the pooch on this...

What's hilarious yet Ironic is that Studio execs DID NOT Want to do Phoenix at all... they wanted a classic Mags vs X-men story but these guys try to come across as if they were championing that they wanted Phoenix through out and had to fight tooth and nail there... which maybe fine, BUT DO IT GOD DAMN RIGHT... A quote by them "when we saw the first half the film, we felt WE had won the battles as writers [Penn and Kinberg], yet as you can see in the second half, we did not win all the battles." That means their entire ****ing stupid intention was to do away with Cyke in the first place INSTEAD OF SIMPLY knocking him out... it's very poor writing to just kill him when he culd have just as easily been incapacitated then have a dramatic moment and die at the end fo the film...

It's ironic but I would've PREFERED the damn studio exec plot of a classic Mags vs X-men storyline WITH NO Phoenix and LET THAT DEVELOP IN X-4 with a proper production schedule. Instead these *******s who try to come across as champions for the comics just really screwed things up

[LastSunrise1981]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

sorry but they screwed the pooch on this...

What's hilarious yet Ironic is that Studio execs DID NOT Want to do Phoenix at all... they wanted a classic Mags vs X-men story but these guys try to come across as if they were championing that they wanted Phoenix through out and had to fight tooth and nail there... which maybe fine, BUT DO IT GOD DAMN RIGHT... A quote by them "when we saw the first half the film, we felt WE had won the battles as writers [Penn and Kinberg], yet as you can see in the second half, we did not win all the battles." That means their entire ****ing stupid intention was to do away with Cyke in the first place INSTEAD OF SIMPLY knocking him out... it's very poor writing to just kill him when he culd have just as easily been incapacitated then have a dramatic moment and die at the end fo the film...

It's ironic but I would've PREFERED the damn studio exec plot of a classic Mags vs X-men storyline WITH NO Phoenix and LET THAT DEVELOP IN X-4 with a proper production schedule. Instead these *******s who try to come across as champions for the comics just really screwed things up

I'm inclined to agree my friend. Which is why I don't understand why or how so many fans can defend them at times.

Let's face it, we were duped by empty promises and outright lies not only from the director and actors, but the writers as well. When the script leaked out and garnered a lot of heated hate towards it, they went the route of using the old excuse; "A lot has changed since that script, don't believe everything you see or hear".

Those gave us some hope. Then we hear from Hugh Jackman that Cyclops isn't pushed to the background, everything that made him important is in the film and that we'll be surprised. Which was echoed by the writers Zakk and Simon too.

We were told Angel gets to kick a lot of ass(According to Ben Foster and the writers), Rogue gets to kick ass(According to Simon and Zakk), and we all just feel betrayed by the writers, the director, and of course the studio for even making this film.

So no matter what Simon or Zakk says; while it may be with the best intentions and maybe sincere on their part, it doesn't change the fact that they outright lied to us in order to see the movie. They got their money and obviously don't give a flying **** as to how we feel.

If they were such "fanboys" for the Cyclops character and the comics, they would've found a way to include him in the film. Deep down they didn't want him in there and went along with the whole yes-man aspect.

[ILuvCyclops]

He could clone Scott several times.

:cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :wolverine :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:

They could surround the Wolverine and melt him into a puddle.

Hehehe ^_^

[Bishop2]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

sorry but they screwed the pooch on this...

What's hilarious yet Ironic is that Studio execs DID NOT Want to do Phoenix at all... they wanted a classic Mags vs X-men story but these guys try to come across as if they were championing that they wanted Phoenix through out and had to fight tooth and nail there... which maybe fine, BUT DO IT GOD DAMN RIGHT... A quote by them "when we saw the first half the film, we felt WE had won the battles as writers [Penn and Kinberg], yet as you can see in the second half, we did not win all the battles." That means their entire ****ing stupid intention was to do away with Cyke in the first place INSTEAD OF SIMPLY knocking him out... it's very poor writing to just kill him when he culd have just as easily been incapacitated then have a dramatic moment and die at the end fo the film...

It's ironic but I would've PREFERED the damn studio exec plot of a classic Mags vs X-men storyline WITH NO Phoenix and LET THAT DEVELOP IN X-4 with a proper production schedule. Instead these *******s who try to come across as champions for the comics just really screwed things up

Where do I hear this mp3 interivew? :confused:

[LastSunrise1981]

Where do I hear this mp3 interivew? :confused:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237601

[Angamb]

They aren't from X3, but I've found them today and are amazing:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8826/xpromo373ig.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3696/xpromo139ez.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's like the Cyclops return or something.

[WorthyStevens]

I'm inclined to agree my friend. Which is why I don't understand why or how so many fans can defend them at times.

Let's face it, we were duped by empty promises and outright lies not only from the director and actors, but the writers as well. When the script leaked out and garnered a lot of heated hate towards it, they went the route of using the old excuse; "A lot has changed since that script, don't believe everything you see or hear".

Those gave us some hope. Then we hear from Hugh Jackman that Cyclops isn't pushed to the background, everything that made him important is in the film and that we'll be surprised. Which was echoed by the writers Zakk and Simon too.

We were told Angel gets to kick a lot of ass(According to Ben Foster and the writers), Rogue gets to kick ass(According to Simon and Zakk), and we all just feel betrayed by the writers, the director, and of course the studio for even making this film.

So no matter what Simon or Zakk says; while it may be with the best intentions and maybe sincere on their part, it doesn't change the fact that they outright lied to us in order to see the movie. They got their money and obviously don't give a flying **** as to how we feel.

If they were such "fanboys" for the Cyclops character and the comics, they would've found a way to include him in the film. Deep down they didn't want him in there and went along with the whole yes-man aspect.

I think all of the above things, minus Cyclops, were in the movie at one point but didn't make it past Fox...

[LastSunrise1981]

I think all of the above things, minus Cyclops, were in the movie at one point but didn't make it past Fox...

Figures. Once again we're left of what could've/should've been. :down :mad: :(

I hate Fox, I hate Rothman.

[Kurosawa]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

sorry but they screwed the pooch on this...

What's hilarious yet Ironic is that Studio execs DID NOT Want to do Phoenix at all... they wanted a classic Mags vs X-men story but these guys try to come across as if they were championing that they wanted Phoenix through out and had to fight tooth and nail there... which maybe fine, BUT DO IT GOD DAMN RIGHT... A quote by them "when we saw the first half the film, we felt WE had won the battles as writers [Penn and Kinberg], yet as you can see in the second half, we did not win all the battles." That means their entire ****ing stupid intention was to do away with Cyke in the first place INSTEAD OF SIMPLY knocking him out... it's very poor writing to just kill him when he culd have just as easily been incapacitated then have a dramatic moment and die at the end fo the film...

It's ironic but I would've PREFERED the damn studio exec plot of a classic Mags vs X-men storyline WITH NO Phoenix and LET THAT DEVELOP IN X-4 with a proper production schedule. Instead these *******s who try to come across as champions for the comics just really screwed things up

Wow. Those guys are bigger idiots than I thought.

X-Men series is one of the biggest pieces of crap ever filmed.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

X-Men series is one of the biggest pieces of crap ever filmed.

Wow, you're gonna hate the entire series now because Cyclops dies?!

[Verlin]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

sorry but they screwed the pooch on this...

What's hilarious yet Ironic is that Studio execs DID NOT Want to do Phoenix at all... they wanted a classic Mags vs X-men story but these guys try to come across as if they were championing that they wanted Phoenix through out and had to fight tooth and nail there... which maybe fine, BUT DO IT GOD DAMN RIGHT... A quote by them "when we saw the first half the film, we felt WE had won the battles as writers [Penn and Kinberg], yet as you can see in the second half, we did not win all the battles." That means their entire ****ing stupid intention was to do away with Cyke in the first place INSTEAD OF SIMPLY knocking him out... it's very poor writing to just kill him when he culd have just as easily been incapacitated then have a dramatic moment and die at the end fo the film...

It's ironic but I would've PREFERED the damn studio exec plot of a classic Mags vs X-men storyline WITH NO Phoenix and LET THAT DEVELOP IN X-4 with a proper production schedule. Instead these *******s who try to come across as champions for the comics just really screwed things up

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Verlin/omg.png What a bunch of ass*****!

[WorthyStevens]

Figures. Once again we're left of what could've/should've been. :down :mad: :(

I hate Fox, I hate Rothman.

Corporate greed and stupidity at it's finest.

[oneteen]

I can't believe they said that about Cyke... :mad:

THE HELL WITH FOX!

[Kurosawa]

Wow, you're gonna hate the entire series now because Cyclops dies?!

No, I hate the whole series because all 3 movies sucked big time.

The first two had their moments, especially Nightcrawler in X2. But still as adaptations and as movies themselves they sucked.

Mostly because the main character was an annoying piece of **** who needed a brutal death.

[Angamb]

Seeing the latest pics, I think Cyclops would have been a great star of the saga...

stupid Fox

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No, I hate the whole series because all 3 movies sucked big time.

The first two had their moments, especially Nightcrawler in X2. But still as adaptations and as movies themselves they sucked.

Mostly because the main character was an annoying piece of **** who needed a brutal death.

*Sigh*

[Pizzaboy1138]

I got the "Ultimate X-Men Ultimate Collection" today and while I didn't have time to read it yet, I flipped through it and our boy looks d*mn cool!

[oneteen]

Got a scanner pizzaboy? :D

[Pizzaboy1138]

Got a scanner pizzaboy? :D

Nope, but I found some pics online:
http://www.ultimate-x.com/gallery/galcyclops.html

[The Batman]

Ultimate Cyclops is probably the best portrayal of Cyclops in this decade.

That Cyclops takes no ****.

[DarknessOfDeath]

thats the cyclops I like.

"LOWER THE F***ING RAMP! NOW!"

"Wait..who the f*** is this guy!?!"

... yeah lol

[ILuvCyclops]

I love Ultimate Cyclops, hes got an attitude to him which makes him great! I loved the beard he had going, but its shaved off now in later issues :(

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://www.myspace.com/Anakin20

check it out. im still in the mist of updating it... lol I added some stuff from SHH. hehehe.

[oneteen]

Wow...u have like 6 different Jean's as friends. lol

[ILuvCyclops]

http://www.myspace.com/Anakin20

check it out. im still in the mist of updating it... lol I added some stuff from SHH. hehehe.

Cool! :up:
My MySpace page is crap. Ah well, keeps me in touch with some friends

[DarknessOfDeath]

... meh yeah... lol

and hey...I like that quote from James. and Im sure Famke agrees with him more.

To me, I think both understand Jean and Scott's relationship and to hear from James that he'd welcome any more scenes to get into their relationship more, it really tells you something that they were pretty serious and really into their roles...and they understand in terms of what happens to the other and so worth. this is where the blame lies on Fox. they don't know s*** about X-Men. Thats their problem. All they care about is Wolverine, Wolverine, Wolverine and they f***ed up some of the characters (besides Cyclops and Rogue) like callisto has "super speed" ? Wait...isn't that QuickSilver's power? he's so cool in evolution... but damn, I don't think X3 needed more mutants. I could care less of the lesser mutants than the main X-Men .

[oneteen]

^Good point.

Something I found:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6628/behindscenes0ij.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behindscenes0ij.png)

[bexta89]

^Good point.

Something I found:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6628/behindscenes0ij.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behindscenes0ij.png)


Gah!!! That better be on the special features of the X3 DVD!!! And more.....

[Angamb]

Oneteen, I've noticed your signature

"James Marsden: His feelings for Jean is really what drives a lot of his character. I would have welcomed any more scenes and things to get into our relationship more. It's a bit of a mystery when you look back at the first two."

This means that their relationship wasn't developed well, a big reality, don't you think?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wish that pic was high res :(

[bexta89]

Don't know if this has already been posted, but there's a bunch of clips on the Superman Returns Yahoo page, and a few of them have Jimmy in them. He's awesome. Check them out:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1807839024/trailer

[Mike059jig]

Jimmy Looks to have a shining role in that movie that will boast his resume...I can't wait to see it

[Kurosawa]

nvm

[Kurosawa]

*Sigh*

You paid to see that piece of **** (X3) seven times so far?

.........

Your money I guess.

[oneteen]

Oneteen, I've noticed your signature

"James Marsden: His feelings for Jean is really what drives a lot of his character. I would have welcomed any more scenes and things to get into our relationship more. It's a bit of a mystery when you look back at the first two."

This means that their relationship wasn't developed well, a big reality, don't you think?
Yeah, I know. I sorta even feel bad for him saying that because damn Fox wouldn't give him a chance in X3. I mean X2 had so much built up for a big love story with him and Jean and all that the writers did was have him killed early in the movie and not mourned for. :(

[DarknessOfDeath]

:( same applies to Famke :(

[Bishop2]

^Good point.

Something I found:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6628/behindscenes0ij.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behindscenes0ij.png)

That's awesome, but uh... you mean to tell me the ROCK they stood on was CGI? When pointless special effects ATTACK!

may i have that as an avatar?

Not very easy to do in 50x50, but here's what I could come up with...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/cyclopsape3.gif

Tiny. :(

[LEX]

^Good point.

Something I found:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6628/behindscenes0ij.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behindscenes0ij.png)
Nice find. :up:

[oneteen]

Thank you. Those are caps I took from a video from MTV. It's a segment called 'Making of the Movie: XMTLS'. After watching that 3 sec clip (yes it's only shown for around 3-5 secs.) I think it's a reshoot or a shot before the reshoot because Jimmy's shoes are grayish white and in the movie they are brown. And in the movie when they hug, Jean smiles and from that cap she doesn't. There's some more behind the scenes footage as well.

Link:
http://www.mtv.com/movies/movie/241375/moviemain.jhtml
Click on 'Watch Videos' and Overdrive should pop up after you click one of the Unknowns and look for a the title 'Third times a charm...'

[oneteen]

That's awesome, but uh... you mean to tell me the ROCK they stood on was CGI? When pointless special effects ATTACK!

Yeah I thought of that too...weird. I guess the actual rock was to small for cameras to be on.

[Redeye_Marine]

Um, question who's the guy in the red suit in the bottom of the first frame? He looks like he's wearing one of those suits that doesn't show up on camera, so they can add special effects or CGI later. I really hope it's not Jimmy's stunt double to be used to film Cyclops's death. Either that or it's Deadpool, I'm confused.

[WorthyStevens]

I think it's just the lighting guy.

[Bishop2]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237601

Thanks for that. I'm listening to the Q&A now, and you know what? They are COMPLETELY contradicting what Zak Penn said over at XVerse. Over there, he said very directly that Fox dictated that Cyclops be killed off. Now, according to them in this Q&A... when someone asks if Fox dictated that, they said NO, THEY were the ones who suggested that he be killed off because they thought it was "interesting," or at least more interesting than simply putting him into a coma or something. They loved the idea that Scott would be the FIRST person Jean kills right after she rises.

They're morons.

[oneteen]

Now that's some crap.

[bexta89]

oneteen, where's the quote in your sig from?

[jusblaze21]

Thanks for that. I'm listening to the Q&A now, and you know what? They are COMPLETELY contradicting what Zak Penn said over at XVerse. Over there, he said very directly that Fox dictated that Cyclops be killed off. Now, according to them in this Q&A... when someone asks if Fox dictated that, they said NO, THEY were the ones who suggested that he be killed off because they thought it was "interesting," or at least more interesting than simply putting him into a coma or something. They loved the idea that Scott would be the FIRST person Jean kills right after she rises.

They're morons.

Well somebody's lieing.:o :down

[Redeye_Marine]

Thanks for that. I'm listening to the Q&A now, and you know what? They are COMPLETELY contradicting what Zak Penn said over at XVerse. Over there, he said very directly that Fox dictated that Cyclops be killed off. Now, according to them in this Q&A... when someone asks if Fox dictated that, they said NO, THEY were the ones who suggested that he be killed off because they thought it was "interesting," or at least more interesting than simply putting him into a coma or something. They loved the idea that Scott would be the FIRST person Jean kills right after she rises.

They're morons.

Boggles the mind really. That these crazy knuckleheads actually thought Cyclops fans would truly enjoy Cyclops's role in this movie. WTF, crazy troll logic are they using to justify this trash?!?!?

I remember reading Wizard two years ago, where Avi Arad stated that Cyclops's role would either be greatly reduced or not in the movie at all. So they could fit in more mutants. This was before there was a scrip and Singer was still with Fox. If I remember correctly he also went on about how the next movie wouldn't be concentrating on the Phoenix storyline either infact it would be a sub plot so other stories could be told. Again this was before the scrip was released on the net. Don't quote me on any of this, because like I said it's been two years. I need to find the magazine and I'll post the complete article.

[Bishop2]

Well somebody's lieing.:o :down

Zak Penn is lying, because he's saying totally different things in each situation! :confused:

[oneteen]

oneteen, where's the quote in your sig from?
http://radiofree.com/profiles/famke_janssen/interview02.shtml
:)

[bexta89]

^ thanks oneteen.

[oneteen]

Welcome.

[jusblaze21]

Zak Penn is lying, because he's saying totally different things in each situation! :confused:

That's what I get for reading too fast. And I can't believe they thought it would be a good idea or interesting for Scott to be the first person Jean kills.:confused:

[Redeye_Marine]

I wasn't able to find the article yet, however I did find something you people might find interesting. It's taken from a Q&A with David Hayter one of the writers for X2 and X-men, and of course the voice of Solid Snake.

When you were writing "X-Men," were there any charaters that you really wanted to include?

DH: Part of the reason I was able to do what I did on the movie was because I was a big fan of the comic books. I had read X-Men since I was a little boy when we were kids we used to play X-Men and I would play Cyclops so it was kind of my private mandate to make sure that Cyclops didn't get shoved to the background. I think I really focused on that love triangle between he and Jean and Wolverine.

There you have it, this was the guy we needed in our corner. I hope Penn and Kinberg are happy they raped mine and David Hayter's childhood. I too played as Cyclops as a kid.

[CapBeerCino]

They loved the idea that Scott would be the FIRST person Jean kills right after she rises.

They're morons.

Surprised? They loved the idea of adding the cure because with only the Phoenix they'll "run out of story" for crying out loud. :down :o

[pedro parkero]

I wasn't able to find the article yet, however I did find something you people might find interesting. It's taken from a Q&A with David Hayter one of the writers for X2 and X-men, and of course the voice of Solid Snake.

When you were writing "X-Men," were there any charaters that you really wanted to include?

DH: Part of the reason I was able to do what I did on the movie was because I was a big fan of the comic books. I had read X-Men since I was a little boy when we were kids we used to play X-Men and I would play Cyclops so it was kind of my private mandate to make sure that Cyclops didn't get shoved to the background. I think I really focused on that love triangle between he and Jean and Wolverine.

There you have it, this was the guy we needed in our corner. I hope Penn and Kinberg are happy they raped mine and David Hayter's childhood. I too played as Cyclops as a kid.

Yeah. I also played Cyke as a kid. It's nice to be able to blast things away effortlessly...

[UraniaChang]

Just saw the movie, can't believe that I can remember nothing but those ten minutes with Scott in it.........Is Marsden too great or just because the rest of the movie s**ks :confused:

[Pizzaboy1138]

Is Marsden too great or just because the rest of the movie s**ks :confused:

Both.

[Kurosawa]

I wasn't able to find the article yet, however I did find something you people might find interesting. It's taken from a Q&A with David Hayter one of the writers for X2 and X-men, and of course the voice of Solid Snake.

When you were writing "X-Men," were there any charaters that you really wanted to include?

DH: Part of the reason I was able to do what I did on the movie was because I was a big fan of the comic books. I had read X-Men since I was a little boy when we were kids we used to play X-Men and I would play Cyclops so it was kind of my private mandate to make sure that Cyclops didn't get shoved to the background. I think I really focused on that love triangle between he and Jean and Wolverine.

There you have it, this was the guy we needed in our corner. I hope Penn and Kinberg are happy they raped mine and David Hayter's childhood. I too played as Cyclops as a kid.


Hayter has more talent than those two idiots combined. Not that that is saying much.

He's also a better actor than 95% of the cast.

[x3xCyclopsx3x]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/lol.jpg

[CapBeerCino]

Lol! :D

I wonder if Cyke died between x-2 and x-3 like they originally planed, what would they do...

[crappymovie]

Lol! :D

I wonder if Cyke died between x-2 and x-3 like they originally planed, what would they do...

The movie would have probably started off with Wolverine and Storm "christening" their new room: Scott's old room.

[DarknessOfDeath]

The movie would have probably started off with Wolverine and Storm "christening" their new room: Scott's old room.

-throws up- wtf

-turns to the darkside-

[Farren]

Have you heard this ****? Listen to the mp3 huge interview with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn about their entire work on X-3... they believe that Jean and Cyclops love is NOT... I repeat NOT a key integral part of the Dark Phoenix Saga... Zak had a slight point about how it's a woman who becomes possessed ala Jeckyl and Hyde and must sacrifice herself for the good of humanity... but what a load of crap overall...l CYKE MAKES THE CONNECTION with Jean... not god damn Wolverine

Yeah, I don't think they read the same comic that I did. I asked Zak about how they saw the DP Saga over on xverse and why we didn't get to see any self-sacrifice from Jean, and he answered with this (http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=762&page=6):


The message of the Dark Phoenix Saga is not one of self-sacrifice. Nor is it about the fact that Scott and Jean are in love. It is about the terrible, horrific, but ultimately human capacity for evil, and what we must do in the face of it. Even when it comes from inside us. I know a lot of people like to see the Phoenix Saga as a love story, but I don't agree with that. It is a classic Jekyl and Hyde story, including repressed emotions and the like, and the ESSENTIAL moment is that Jean realizes what she has done and destroys (or allows to be destroyed) the dark side of her. I think we got the spirit of it without the details.

The other fascinating aspect of the Dark Phoenix Saga is the emotionally fraught situation the X-Men find themselves in. There enemy is not humans or Magneto; it is one of their own. I think we stayed true to that.

[Bishop2]

The thing that really enraged me about the MP3 of the Q&A is Simon Kinberg going on and on about how the Phoenix Saga is really about a woman who has been repressed by all of the men around her and then when her id is finally unleashed, it's the men who are terrified of this powerful woman and want to kill her.

WTF?!?!? Listen Kinberg, I don't know if you were just trying to get laid with some of the feminist film students in the audience, but there's NO BASIS FOR THAT WHATSOEVER.

- The only "man" who knew about these mental blocks that "repressed" Jean was Xavier. The only other person who seemed to know about them and be afraid of how Jean now has "too much power" was Moira MacTaggert. (Note to Kinberg: Moira is a woman).

- When Cyke starts to think that maybe they're reading too much into Jean's early actions of "crossing the line," it's Storm who is most worried/sensible and knows that they have to stop her. (Note to Kinberg: Storm is a woman.)

- When Jean is fully in Dark Phoenix mode and everybody is terrified of how they could possibly stop her, who is it that ISN'T afraid of her? Cyclops. He stands before her and point-blank tells her to kill him, because he believes that deep down, the Jean he loved is still in there - and because of that, he refuses to be intimidated by the godlike force before him. (Note to Kinberg: Cyclops is a man.)

- When Jean is at last "cured" (or so it seems) and everyone on the team is relieved and happy to have her back, who's the person who remains terrified of her power above all else? Lilandra, of course. (Note to Kinberg: Lilandra is a woman.)

YOU LOSE, KINBERG. And if you try to talk again about the deeper maning of Dark Phoenix, I will cut you.

[Bastila]

We should start putting some cool Cyke moments in hear as all this X3 talk makes me sad , so lets think of so cool Scotty moments from Comic or film.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm working on something as we speak :D

[ILuvCyclops]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/lol.jpg

cute :D

[Bastila]

I'm working on something as we speak :D

really? Well as long as its a nice thing i'll be happy.

[Bishop2]

Angamb over in the X-Men 3 Photo thread found these ultra-rare X2 pics of Cyke...

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8826/xpromo373ig.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3696/xpromo139ez.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4456/xpromo34ru.jpg

[Bastila]

Wow i like the first shot, its the bit when Jean's outside by the looks of it.

[Verlin]

I made a wallpaper of Jimmy some time ago. The pictures are Screenshots from the "Disturbing Behavior" DVD. The lyrics are from the song "How soon is now" from Love Spit Love. It has no deeper meaning, I was just listening to this song over and over again, while making this.
Feel free to take!

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/38/932238/1024_6361396362623238.jpg

[ILuvCyclops]

Cool. those scenes are from the music video yeah? Cool. How Soon Is Now is one of my favourite songs, but only The Smith's version of it, don't like any of the covers. The lyrics to it are cool.
But anyways, nice wallpaper :up:

[echostation]

Farren... I'm really really annoyed that Zak said such a stupid thing regarding the Phoenix saga, Bishop 2 said it better than anyone else so far about the entire Saga... whether one argues or not if at the core it's a love story and all that sort of stuff or the thematics of it... A KEY KEY ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL element of it regardless of what one might htink IS The damn connection of Love between Cyke and Jean... and the fact that THAT... Cyke is able to make the connection... NOT DAMN WOLVERINE.

Again, this film would've been a thousand times better had they simply incapacitated Cyke, then he getting up later on to show just how much he loves her and how much of a good leader he is, leads more into the middle of the Battle and then after all things are over... ASKs Jean to kill him... but she can't... then he actually manages to make that connection to her...

Zak is such a ****ing retard (and Zak I really hope you're reading this you two bit hack writing piece of manure, stay the hell away from X-men cuz you totally contradict your own "knowledge" of the comics)... he says that Phoenix is about losing control, a Jeckyl/Hyde story where she becomes so ultimately evil that NO one is safe... he keeps saying NO ONE is safe... WELL THATS THE DAMN POINT THE COMICS COUNTER IN THE FORM OF CYKE LOVING JEAN... that despite the ILLUSION of no one being safe, it is CYKE... with HIS love that makes him fearless and focuses and makes the connection... now if they wanted to Kill both Cyke and Jean then then fine... perfectly absolutely god damn fine, it would've been 1000000 x better than what we saw on screen (thankfully my friend bought me my ticket, so I have not spent a damn dollar on this hugely disappointing film)... the point being is that Cyke was able to make that connection, but they show Logan instead.

You know what could've made it simply so much better even IF cyke died so early on... when Logan says "I love you..." and starts crying like an pussy out of character Wolvie... Jean should've simply smiled and said "Send me to Scott" or at least something along those lines... "End it... I want to be with Scott" or hell even a cheesy Scott's waiting for me line would've been far far superior than simply staying silent...

Zak then lamely points out how her staying silent means that she doesn't necessarily love Logan back... dumbass that's just hack writing much like your bull**** excuse of a plot hole for Angel popping up so fast in the final battle and whether he got on the X-jet or not

It's such a simple problem to fix... it really really bloody is... they talk all hardball type crap, but it's a load of bull... make Cyke the end stealer is absolutely crucial and integral to the story itself... "stayed true to that" my ass... You want to kill Cyke? Do it at the end, WHEN HE's made the god damn connection to Jean while Phoenix rages... then Cyke could've ended it by having Logan kill the both of them or even just Cyke using an optic blast so big that it kills both her and him (yes I know his optic Blast is not supposed to harm him.. but in the realm of cinematic liberties these *******s have pulled I think getting hurt by his own blast is perfectly acceptable).

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ Well put my friend.

Send it to Zak. :)

[taintedFB]

I feel like there's still hope for a future with Cyclops now.

If it wasn't FOX but the lame writers who killed him off, then a good writer can find a wy to bring him back.

I'm starting to think that cut-away from Alkali Lake was the best cut in the film. Because it allows for infinite possibilities to be explored in the next sequel!!!!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Billboard-x4-4.jpg

Anything is possible..... the FUTURE IS OURS!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

did James say he'd come back as long as the script is better or was he just joking?

[triplefive]

did James say he'd come back as long as the script is better or was he just joking?

It would be out of context to say he said "better" per se, but that he would come back as long as it was convincing or purposeful to bring him back... and not just some cheap trick. I think he said something about how they already brought Jean back too, so it wouldn't be good to keep bringing people back from the dead.

I think.

[bexta89]

Wish he would come back for X4. But I agree that it has to be decent reason and a decent storyline. Maybe the fans should write the script? Lol! Also, I finally found the deleted scene with spiderman from X1. I've ogt 1.5 so I'd never seen it. Loved it, it was hilarious!

[Daniella]

Hey guys...

What's up ? I'm away because of the world cup ( No, I'm not in Germany, but would like to be, though...)... some of you likes soccer, others don't... I don't know how it is in poppularity in US or Canada...

Now... right back to Cyke... do you guys think we are going to see a alternative end scene ( like the Xavier one after the credicts... ) on the DVD with him alive and with Jean ? I would like to see it...

Dany

[Kurosawa]

The thing that really enraged me about the MP3 of the Q&A is Simon Kinberg going on and on about how the Phoenix Saga is really about a woman who has been repressed by all of the men around her and then when her id is finally unleashed, it's the men who are terrified of this powerful woman and want to kill her.

WTF?!?!? Listen Kinberg, I don't know if you were just trying to get laid with some of the feminist film students in the audience, but there's NO BASIS FOR THAT WHATSOEVER.

- The only "man" who knew about these mental blocks that "repressed" Jean was Xavier. The only other person who seemed to know about them and be afraid of how Jean now has "too much power" was Moira MacTaggert. (Note to Kinberg: Moira is a woman).

- When Cyke starts to think that maybe they're reading too much into Jean's early actions of "crossing the line," it's Storm who is most worried/sensible and knows that they have to stop her. (Note to Kinberg: Storm is a woman.)

- When Jean is fully in Dark Phoenix mode and everybody is terrified of how they could possibly stop her, who is it that ISN'T afraid of her? Cyclops. He stands before her and point-blank tells her to kill him, because he believes that deep down, the Jean he loved is still in there - and because of that, he refuses to be intimidated by the godlike force before him. (Note to Kinberg: Cyclops is a man.)

- When Jean is at last "cured" (or so it seems) and everyone on the team is relieved and happy to have her back, who's the person who remains terrified of her power above all else? Lilandra, of course. (Note to Kinberg: Lilandra is a woman.)

YOU LOSE, KINBERG. And if you try to talk again about the deeper maning of Dark Phoenix, I will cut you.


I don't know which one of those hacks is more full of it and more ignorant.

I think their statements pretty much prove that they are not and never have been actual fans of the comics.

[bexta89]

Now... right back to Cyke... do you guys think we are going to see a alternative end scene ( like the Xavier one after the credicts... ) on the DVD with him alive and with Jean ? I would like to see it...

Dany

That would be awesome.

[Mike059jig]

OMG what the hell was these writers thinking...Now their just plian idiots if they did think they could get with this sh$5..is true it was their idea all along to kill cyclops off?

[DarknessOfDeath]

If I was a writer hired to write a script, my idea would be that the focus of the film would be Scott and Jean, meaning more of JAMES AND FAMKE. :D ... :( -sighs-

[bexta89]

If I was a writer hired to write a script, my idea would be that the focus of the film would be Scott and Jean, meaning more of JAMES AND FAMKE. :D ... :( -sighs-


I'd definitely go see that, lol. Possibly the best movie ever.

[WorthyStevens]

OMG what the hell was these writers thinking...Now their just plian idiots if they did think they could get with this sh$5..is true it was their idea all along to kill cyclops off?

I wouldn't be surprised if it were their idea.

[DarknessOfDeath]

good night little ones

[Mike059jig]

I wonder whats gonna become of this Gigantice thread for cyclops..All these pages of optimistic feeling and then disappointment....So whats next...???

[Bishop2]

I suppose we resign ourselves to what's happened and then we anxiously hope for some behind-the-scenes footage of interest on the DVD? :)

[jcykeson]

haha.. i was kinda suprised that this thread is still going strong.. look at the rest.. it's pretty much stagnant..

[oneteen]

Because Cyke lives forever!!!

http://ffmedia.ign.com/x-men/image/marsden_xmen2_1087313979.jpg

[Farren]

Because Cyke lives forever!!!

http://ffmedia.ign.com/x-men/image/marsden_xmen2_1087313979.jpg
You bet he does!

And in the best place of all: our hearts and imagination. ;)

[oneteen]

Always. :)

[x3xCyclopsx3x]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/Cyclops15.jpg

[jcykeson]

amen!

[gambitfire]

don't forget the comic books, he still kicks ass there. :)

[Vilya]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/cyclopsjeangrey.jpg

[Hulkster]

Wow that's a great pic.:up:

[Verlin]

Brilliant manip!

[britrogue]

I saw The Last Stand again last night. I can't bear the bit where Scott dies. It's so sad.

[Vilya]

If scott should die it should be in the finale, with jean in a glorious blaze :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/jeanscottfinalend.jpg

[Bastila]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/Cyclops15.jpg

i just find that picture kind of funny , like it needs a good caption or somthing.

[LEX]

The colour of the exterior doesn't look right. Like, why is everything aqua blue? Is that photo from an earlier time during the X2 days?

Other than that, Cyclops looks great. The visor was a vast improvement from the X1 visor.

[Verlin]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/Cyclops15.jpg

X-men 4. Cyclops survived Alkali lake and returns to the X-mansion.
"Is that my name on a gravestone?"

[DarknessOfDeath]

If scott should die it should be in the finale, with jean in a glorious blaze :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/jeanscottfinalend.jpg


is she whacking his ass? ;)

[Angry Sentinel]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Billboard-x4-4.jpg

this is the funniest thing I've seen in a while...lmao!!! :D

[Vilya]

Yes, that she seems to be doing lol.


is she whacking his ass? ;)

[x3xCyclopsx3x]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/Cyclops5.jpg

[x3xCyclopsx3x]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/a8e62ae7.jpg
DAMN YOU FOX!!!!!!!!

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit.... Please move on

... nothing to see here, just puppies, daisies, and lollypop houses...


*takes toys and finds something new to read*

[triplefive]

Here's the bigger version of the one x3xCyclopsx3x posted.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9673/xpromo361lo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lobelogan]

would you post the promotional pics of Cyclops, with uniform, on x-men the last stand??
thanks :up:

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Might not be a big deal for some, but for me it marks the first time I've EVER seen a movie three times in the theaters. I gotta say the first time I saw the film it left me a feeling a very "eh". I liked a lot about it, but for a most part I found all the cures and deaths to be kind of depressing. The second time I knew what I was gonna be seeing going into it, and I wound up enjoying it a LOT more. And now the third time I gotta say I enjoyed it even more.

I have some things to say on the Cyclops front, which I paid VERY close attention to this time.

The more I see it the more it looks like the guy's still alive. Why was there all that fog at Alkalai lake? Why was there stuff creepily floating in the air? Why was Jean knocked out? There's more to what happened than is being let on. Jean's flashback gives us NOTHING except a shot of the lake and a shot of them kissing. Also in paying close attention to the others Phoenix decimated, their skin didn't bubble like that, they just demolecularized effortlessly. The only ones that DID take effort was Xavier and Wolverine. Xavier's skin still didn't bubble like that though, and Wolverine's didn't while she was trying to rip him apart. So why Cyclops?

Because it wasn't her trying to kill him, it was the way she suppressed his optic blast. Think about it, why would she kill Cyclops in the first place? She didn't try to kill Wolverine when she first encountered him in the mansion. She didn't kill Magneto or any of his lackies. The only reason she killed Xavier was because she was pissed off about him restraining her for all those years. Cyclops on the other hand, did nothing but love her, and it's quite obvious she loved him back. When she's with Logan in the mansion and he asks where Scott is, it snaps her out of her Phoenix persona. When Xavier says she killed Scott she goes on an insane rampage and kills him (that body at least).

Phoenix had no motive to kill him, and if the mere mention of Scott could snap the Phoenix out of Jean for a moment I'd say Jean could stop herself from taking his life if she had to. So my theory goes like this...

Phoenix's method of controlling the optic blast causes the skin bubbling we see. Right after the camera cuts to the mansion, Scott stops the kiss and says she's hurting him. This triggers Jean's consciousness to come back, thus losing control of the optic blast. The blast comes out at her full force and unfiltered, and she's instinctively able to stop it the way she did in X2, but because of the incredibly close range as well as the fact that there's no visor filtering it, it proves to be too much for her to handle. This makes the Phoenix persona come back, as she uses all her might to thrust the blast back at Scott (again like in X2) which sends both of them flying backwards, knocking Phoenix out, and sending Scott deep into the woods (presumably also knocking him out). Xavier senses this and assumes the worst, as does the Jean consciousness who doesn't quite remember what happened after Phoenix took over. Makes total sense to me based on what we saw on screen, and doesn't seem over the top or anything.

But yeah... back to the way I started the thread, The Last Stand seems to get better and better with repeated viewings, so if you were left feeling very "eh" like I first was, give it another shot and you may be surprised.


If you ask me this is the post of the year. It was up at thexverse.

[DarknessOfDeath]

okay... I need some suggestions. Im putting together a gif... theres a certain part i wanna make it look like its Scott holding Jean in x3... and Im thinking of using bits and parts from X2 and X1. any shots/scenes u think I could find useful?

[taintedFB]

Them hugging at the museum. Hugging after their fight at the lake...

[DarknessOfDeath]

hmmm ... i wanna make it look like its Scott holding Jean after he kills her and Jean looking dead... and sexy at the same time.

[Pizzaboy1138]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Cyclops8l/Cyclops15.jpg

"Is that Tom Rothman over there?"

[Bishop2]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/cyclopsjeangrey.jpg
Yikes. Smack that ass, Jean.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I nearly choked on a pill that just dissolved quickly in my mouth...eek

[taintedFB]

I think they should do a spinoff around Scott and Jean!

Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Have them survive, and kidnapped by Sinister. Have Bishop come from the future, and give us a glimpse of Cable and Rachel and hint at Apocalypse.

Maybe have them rejoin the team at the end with Storm finding them.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I think they should do a spinoff around Scott and Jean!

Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Have them survive, and kidnapped by Sinister. Have Bishop come from the future, and give us a glimpse of Cable and Rachel and hint at Apocalypse.

Maybe have them rejoin the team at the end with Storm finding them.

Email that idea to James and Famke...

[Bastila]

Email that idea to James and Famke...

Or Fox lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Or Fox lol.

Fox doesn't give a s*** about them.

[Baredevil]

I think they should do a spinoff around Scott and Jean!

Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Have them survive, and kidnapped by Sinister.


Works for me.

http://pic19.picturetrail.com/VOL1039/1285721/10803480/155877414.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

Works for me.

http://pic19.picturetrail.com/VOL1039/1285721/10803480/155877414.jpg


LOL sweet.


I just got naughty thoughts... now... oh gods no cause jean looks like she's about to bend over in front of...scott...okay im gonna stop now. :p

[Bastila]

that picture is funny lol.

[Vilya]

Ok edited this pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/cyclopsjeangrey1.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

X-Men is kinky... its so cooler than SW. theres so much humor u can add to X-Men and its funnier than SW :p

[Baredevil]

Uh...what pic, Vilya?

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/bullseye.gif

Heres a glimpse of what im working on... still. lol as U can see, I've edited out Wolvie here. hahaha... Looks like Scott is saying bulls eye or bulls***

[Bastila]

I love it so far

[Baredevil]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Scott : "Jean! Wake up! Wake up! It's all a bad dream! X:3 hasn't been shot yet! There's hope!!!"

[Verlin]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/bullseye.gif

Heres a glimpse of what im working on... still. lol as U can see, I've edited out Wolvie here. hahaha... Looks like Scott is saying bulls eye or bulls***

Hahaha, that's great!^^
She's dead. Oh, bulls***, man! XDD

[Pizzaboy1138]

Ebay - again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/X-Men-Cosplay-Cyclops-Costume-Cool_W0QQitemZ7776068147QQihZ018QQcategoryZ2997QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

X-Men Cosplay Cyclops Costume

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/bullseye.gif

I edited this one...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/redeemed-1.gif

this one is calling for attention ;)

[Bastila]

they are both cool, shame they didn't happen in X3/

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/bullseye-1.gif

is this better?

... I tried :p

Im off to work. be back later.

[Bastila]

i like that one, good work.

[Bishop2]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/bullseye-1.gif

is this better?

... I tried :p

Im off to work. be back later.

Is he humping her corpse? :confused:

[Farren]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/bullseye.gif

Heres a glimpse of what im working on... still. lol as U can see, I've edited out Wolvie here. hahaha... Looks like Scott is saying bulls eye or bulls***
He wasn't the only one saying bullsh$% during Jean's death scene...

[Verlin]

Is he humping her corpse? :confused:

Gawd! Pictures in my head! >< Yuk...

[taintedFB]

Well, the way I see it. We never saw Scott die, and there is no body in that grave.

His disappearance could be a great mystery and jumping off point for X4. It would link the first trilogy to the second and set-up a huge Sinister/Apocalypse/Cable storyline... and technically Jean should have been able to survive Logan's claws so her rising again is possible...

[oneteen]

You know what I never understood? When Jeans body is found by Logan and Storm shes on the opposite side of the rocks where she stood while kissing Scott. I'll find a pic later to illustrate.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Is he humping her corpse? :confused:


if you wanna think that, go right ahead...


as u can see, I blackened out Logan lol... im not sure if im gonna add cyclops to each frame itself to make it look like he's holding jean and I think thats too much... cause I tried that and it didn't look right to me but anyway... the scott shots are from X2 and i wanted to look like he was holding her and looking down sadly at her...

[DarknessOfDeath]

You know what I never understood? When Jeans body is found by Logan and Storm shes on the opposite side of the rocks where she stood while kissing Scott. I'll find a pic later to illustrate.

yeah. it makes u wonder. When scott opened his eyes, he knew something was wrong. so he must have pulled back and when he did that, it startled her and made her lose control of keeping back his optic blasts. I think she tried to hold back the blasts that she lost control and she tried block the blast but it knocked her out cold and sent him flying back in the woods, hence why we see her lying on the ground and the glasses just float away...

[Mike059jig]

Thats cool nice scene with Jean and Scott

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thats cool nice scene with Jean and Scott

which post are u referring to?

[oneteen]

^Probably ur amazing gifs. :p

Anyway, here's my theory.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5994/untitled7qf1.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7qf1.png)

[DarknessOfDeath]

^Probably ur amazing gifs. :p

Anyway, here's my theory.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5994/untitled7qf1.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7qf1.png)

unless she tried to be a Jedi and do a back flip in the air :p

[berzerko89]

^Probably ur amazing gifs. :p

Anyway, here's my theory.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5994/untitled7qf1.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7qf1.png)

maybe she has a twin? :eek:

[Bishop2]

Okay, so I was in the bookstore, picking up some comics (natch) and I saw the first calendars are already out for 2007. Among them is a calendar for the Da Vinci Code movie.

Then it hit me - Most big Marvel movies have had calendars for the following year. Spider-Man and the sequel. Fantastic Four. And, of course, X2.

So it's probably inevitable that The Last Stand will get a calendar, and it's probably inevitable that it'll follow the same basic structure as the X2 and F4 calendars - spending each month focusing on a character, with some (or in the case of F4, all) getting doubled up.

So what characters will be focused in the inevitable X3 poster for 2007? My guesses are:

- Wolverine (2 months)
- Storm
- Magneto
- Jean/Phoenix
- Xavier
- Angel
- One month with the whole team on it (similar to how X2 and F4 had)

...and beyond that, I don't really feel certain. Which leaves four more months. Iceman? Pyro? Juggernaut? Callisto?

I guess the ultimate question for me is... will Cyke at least rank a month?

[Mike059jig]

which post are u referring to?yours:)

[DarknessOfDeath]

yours:)

but which one? :)

[Mike059jig]

the last one you did with Jean dying and Cyke looking at her....cool!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

oh thanx... and my avvy has that too

[Mike059jig]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/bullseye-1.gif
This one..I like it...very refreshing

[PhePhe112]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/bullseye.gif

Heres a glimpse of what im working on... still. lol as U can see, I've edited out Wolvie here. hahaha... Looks like Scott is saying bulls eye or bulls***

omg, i love this!!!!:up: :up: :) :O
::cries:: whhhhhhhy did they have to mess this up....why??!!?!?!?!?!?! :( :(

[Bishop2]

I have a new Cyke avatar. See my power. ;)

[Vilya]

ok edited this pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/photoshare108/cyclopsjeangrey.jpg

[CapBeerCino]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/bullseye.gif

Heres a glimpse of what im working on... still. lol as U can see, I've edited out Wolvie here. hahaha... Looks like Scott is saying bulls eye or bulls***

I love this and your avvy! can you join them into one gif?

[hue]

I think should have a goal to keep this thread going until the next film comes out.

[UraniaChang]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6733/cyke0cy.gif

If only I could find some more pictures of Scott with Jean...

[MaleRogue]

Well to be honest there really wasn't much Scott in all of the movies... part 2 he was captured and 3 dead in 1 he had a decent part...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I almost cried this morning. I wasn't sure what had hit me at first, but I saw an image in my mind of Jean in pain and pleaded me for help. "save me." I saw her cry, despite all the things she had done, I could feel her heart in pain. I actually had the guts to cry but I held myself back.

[MaleRogue]

aaaah
you poor thing

[CapBeerCino]

Get some help :p

[DarknessOfDeath]

I dunno...but I kinda am Physic... sometimes

I also have ESP

[MaleRogue]

wtf is esp

[DarknessOfDeath]

... uh...

well sometimes I can sense something thats about to happen... or something thats already happened before... sometimes I get this feeling of what others might say... etc... I kinda know what they're gonna say.. lol

[MaleRogue]

ooow that... yeah i am from Holland just say telepath or something...
My teachers call me telepathic

[DarknessOfDeath]

okay... I should probably look into that more. but these feelings don't happen as often... but still, i think i should look into it.

oh and I bought the Last stand novel. Pretty good ...

Who the hell is David Cockrum? ... like eww... Cockrum? I was reading some parts to my friend and I was like "Cockrum?" wtf...and she and I started laughing. lol

[MaleRogue]

haha ieuw disgusting :p

[Vilya]

ESP stands for extra-sensory perception. Darkness, u might want to join profX's school for the gifted yeah?:)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I like how the book mentions Jean's relationship with Scott and her friends. man. its sad.

[MaleRogue]

Yeah I know is that also the Novel where Rogue doesn't take the cure?

[Vilya]

Darkness, what do u think of the edited jean pic? with her fingers visible now.

[DarknessOfDeath]

pretty cool. looks better... now it kinda looks like she's almost reaching for his...crotch. lol :p

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Lol

[DarknessOfDeath]

... and no I don't think these things every second of every min. lol. But when I see it, its kinda obivious. :p

[Vilya]

I knew u would say that, but what the heck. LOL

[Bishop2]

Okay, so I was in the bookstore, picking up some comics (natch) and I saw the first calendars are already out for 2007. Among them is a calendar for the Da Vinci Code movie.

Then it hit me - Most big Marvel movies have had calendars for the following year. Spider-Man and the sequel. Fantastic Four. And, of course, X2.

So it's probably inevitable that The Last Stand will get a calendar, and it's probably inevitable that it'll follow the same basic structure as the X2 and F4 calendars - spending each month focusing on a character, with some (or in the case of F4, all) getting doubled up.

So what characters will be focused in the inevitable X3 poster for 2007? My guesses are:

- Wolverine (2 months)
- Storm
- Magneto
- Jean/Phoenix
- Xavier
- Angel
- One month with the whole team on it (similar to how X2 and F4 had)

...and beyond that, I don't really feel certain. Which leaves four more months. Iceman? Pyro? Juggernaut? Callisto? Rogue?

I guess the ultimate question for me is... will Cyke at least rank a month?

The more I think about this, the more I think I've decided that... no, he won't rank a month, but hopefully we'll get to see him at least in the all-team shot. :\

[taintedFB]

I think he will get a month. He did for the X2 calender. And they did spend that money and time on all those promo shots and gave him his own poster of him at Alkali Lake.

[Kanon]

Well, he got an official Wallpaper, so he'll get a month...

[Bastila]

Of course he will have a picture for month.


If not i'll be angre.

[taintedFB]

Has the X3 calender come out yet?

I just downloaded the movie and keep watching all of Scott's scenes, they're the best of the whole film!

I have to say the Alkali Lake scene DID seem rushed. It's like the first thing Jean can say to him is "I want to see your eyes?" They really should have made that scene longer, had them talk more, kiss more...it felt so rushed like she woke up to kill him. Still, his performance was top notch! The best of the film, and the more I watch it, the more I think he's not really dead.

If you listen to the noise at the mansion, you can hear her still calling Scott's name...

I think this was an idea to get around Marsden's limited time, and raise the stakes for THIS film, but the fact that they cut away and that even the effect was different than her disintegrating effect, suggests something else happened...

I just hope we get really good writers and we get an X4! If Wolverine and Magneto tank, you can count X4 will quickly go into development to SAVE the franchise!

[Bastila]

I like the bit in his room, i feel sad for him, and he can hear Jean saying Scott. And the motobike scean is hot lol.

[ILuvCyclops]

Quite an emotional scene in the bedroom but I couldn't stop staring at the publicity shot of Jean from X2

[Bastila]

lol, i noticed that the second time i saw it, its makes it feel like he loved her even more.

[ILuvCyclops]

it was just like, how do they explain that picture, whilst in the museme, did Scott just take a picture of her? lol.
But yeah, it was really sweet and added more emotion to the scene

[Bastila]

lol, he might have taken that shot of her. But i think it adds more sadness for him in that scean.

First time i saw that scean i was like 'poor Scotty, i just wanted to give him a hug he looked so sad.'

[ILuvCyclops]

Yeah same here :( Was a wee shame :(

[Bishop2]

I have to say the Alkali Lake scene DID seem rushed. It's like the first thing Jean can say to him is "I want to see your eyes?"

I believe the first thing she said to him was "I don't know... "

[WorthyStevens]

I believe the first thing she said to him was "I don't know... "

Actually the first thing she said to him was 'Scott'. :p

[Hulkster]

I take this screenshots from my game and I remake the ending of X3.:cyclops:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3686/11vp2.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11vp2.jpg)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3935/25zi1.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25zi1.jpg)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/604/38ru1.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38ru1.jpg)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3365/45ul.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=45ul.jpg)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2246/51ak.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=51ak.jpg)

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8663/62zi.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=62zi.jpg)

[Hulkster]

I put here the last one because it won't allow me to put many images in a post.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6792/79af1.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=79af1.jpg)

[UraniaChang]

Spandex.....I see they didn't use the black leather in the movie, but it's still great to see Cyclops in action, not *dead*.

[Hulkster]

Haha, the X-men are back and they're wearing spandex.:)

Here is my favorite team, X-men vs Captain Marvel.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7826/a5at.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a5at.jpg)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2373/b8dz.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b8dz.jpg)

[Optic Rage]

FF 2?

were did you get those skins hulkster?

[Hulkster]

Yeah it's FF2, do you want me to send you the links in pm? But some of the links are dead.

Edit: Check your pm box.

[Bishop2]

FanFiction.net is refusing to let me update my story. I can't upload any more chapters for some reason.

*grumblemumblerassafrackin'*

Why's the man always tryin' to keep Cyclops down?

[DarknessOfDeath]

because Scott is too hot for Jean?

[bexta89]

Has the X3 calender come out yet?

I just downloaded the movie and keep watching all of Scott's scenes, they're the best of the whole film!

I have to say the Alkali Lake scene DID seem rushed. It's like the first thing Jean can say to him is "I want to see your eyes?" They really should have made that scene longer, had them talk more, kiss more...it felt so rushed like she woke up to kill him. Still, his performance was top notch! The best of the film, and the more I watch it, the more I think he's not really dead.

If you listen to the noise at the mansion, you can hear her still calling Scott's name...

I think this was an idea to get around Marsden's limited time, and raise the stakes for THIS film, but the fact that they cut away and that even the effect was different than her disintegrating effect, suggests something else happened...

I just hope we get really good writers and we get an X4! If Wolverine and Magneto tank, you can count X4 will quickly go into development to SAVE the franchise!


God, I so need to see this movie :( Dang it, maybe I should just brave the noise and go to the cinemas.

[oneteen]

I haven't seen the movie a second time in whole yet but I skip to all the Scott parts. Oh just thought of something. It sorta bugs me that EVERYONE calls Scott Scott and not Cyclops. I always think of Scott as the guy with the shades on and Cyke with the visor on. Just me maybe.

[ntcrawler]

Just want to repeat what I worte in the review-thread...

After seeing the movie this evening...I don't consider Cyclops being 'dead'...

It's really up to your interpretation... there is no blood, no damage, no body... just a flashing scene. If X4 is ever going to be made then he can be easily written back into the movie.

My interpretation is: he has been swept away into the woods and lies somewhere unconscious or maybe in a coma... but he'll be back!


That's exactly how I feel too. For one thing, the scene was completely wrong. The Phoenix is released when Jean is threatened, agitated, or angry. Being embraced by the love of her life is probably best way to keep the Phoenix at bay. But failing that, to be honest we don't really know WHAT THE HELL happened in that scene. I also feel that she probably lost control and in the confusion of the moment, Scott's power returned, he shot her, meanwhile she psy-blasted him back and he landed somewhere in the woods among the trees. There's no evidence for death or disintegration. You just see his glasses (do you even see the motorcycle when Logan and Storm arrive?). It may never even have occured to search for him, and if the wind wasn't blowing right then Logan's sense of smell would be useless. Scott could be lost in the woods blind because he can't open his eyes, to hopefully be picked up or found by someone later.
I'm sorry but his death under these circumstances makes absolutely no sense. If anything it's about as messed up and wrong as having Prof X have hair or getting up out of his wheelchair and doing a tap-dance routine

[ntcrawler]

That's awesome, yet incredibly sad at the same time. :) :(

Can someone do another version of this with Cyclops, Jean and Prof X in a group shot with the same caption?

[ntcrawler]

Phoenix's method of controlling the optic blast causes the skin bubbling we see. Right after the camera cuts to the mansion, Scott stops the kiss and says she's hurting him. This triggers Jean's consciousness to come back, thus losing control of the optic blast. The blast comes out at her full force and unfiltered, and she's instinctively able to stop it the way she did in X2, but because of the incredibly close range as well as the fact that there's no visor filtering it, it proves to be too much for her to handle. This makes the Phoenix persona come back, as she uses all her might to thrust the blast back at Scott (again like in X2) which sends both of them flying backwards, knocking Phoenix out, and sending Scott deep into the woods (presumably also knocking him out). Xavier senses this and assumes the worst, as does the Jean consciousness who doesn't quite remember what happened after Phoenix took over. Makes total sense to me based on what we saw on screen, and doesn't seem over the top or anything.

Yes absolutely, by golly we're thinking almost the same thing! On a sidenote the effect on Scott's skin actually reminded me more of what happens when Rogue kisses someone, but anyways. My idea was also that Jean had a new super ability to control and supress Scott's eyebeam, but it wasn't perfect and for whatever reason she lost control. The version I came up with was that Jean broke the peace and concentration of the moment, like something was bubbling up and getting out of control inside her, becomes agitated and afraid, Scott is confused, she suddenly warms him to stay back, maybe clutches her head, and suddenly his power returns, ends up blasting her at close range, which she instinctively deflects, falling over back unconcious, while Scott is propelled much further back into the woods, leaving his glasses behind. He could have hit a tree or landed on some branches or a bush and been knocked unconcious. Wolverine has a great sense of smell but if the wind wasn't blowing right he wouldn't be able to find him, especially if it didn't occur for them to look for him but just assumed that something terrible, unthinkable happened. And while that scene is building up you could have the leaves and rocks rising in to the sky and the water boiling off to create that mist.
That scene to me was one of the pivotal, magical, emotional moments of the film. The kind of scene where time stands still and a single picture is worth a thousand words. We know that the Phoenix side comes out when Jean feels threatered, angry, or agitated. To be in the presence of the love of her life who's thoughts at that moment are pure and sincere with tears flowing down his cheeks and embracing her in a moment of warmth and tenderness? THat would probably be as good as any method to hold BACK the Phoenix! Only her insistence on holding back his eyebeams is what ruined the serenity and got out of control. For her to kill him at that most tender of moments is completely wrong and unthinkable. It's haunted me ever since I saw the movie and now I know why: Because it's completely wrong and senseless. About as wrong and as out of character as it would be to have a Prof X with hair or to have him get out of his wheelchair and do a tapdance routine.

[CapBeerCino]

God, I so need to see this movie :( Dang it, maybe I should just brave the noise and go to the cinemas.

Why didn't you watch it till now? (Edit: Not that I recommend you to :down :o )

[UraniaChang]

Phoenix's method of controlling the optic blast causes the skin bubbling we see. Right after the camera cuts to the mansion, Scott stops the kiss and says she's hurting him. This triggers Jean's consciousness to come back, thus losing control of the optic blast. The blast comes out at her full force and unfiltered, and she's instinctively able to stop it the way she did in X2, but because of the incredibly close range as well as the fact that there's no visor filtering it, it proves to be too much for her to handle. This makes the Phoenix persona come back, as she uses all her might to thrust the blast back at Scott (again like in X2) which sends both of them flying backwards, knocking Phoenix out, and sending Scott deep into the woods (presumably also knocking him out). Xavier senses this and assumes the worst, as does the Jean consciousness who doesn't quite remember what happened after Phoenix took over. Makes total sense to me based on what we saw on screen, and doesn't seem over the top or anything.

Yes absolutely, by golly we're thinking almost the same thing! On a sidenote the effect on Scott's skin actually reminded me more of what happens when Rogue kisses someone, but anyways. My idea was also that Jean had a new super ability to control and supress Scott's eyebeam, but it wasn't perfect and for whatever reason she lost control. The version I came up with was that Jean broke the peace and concentration of the moment, like something was bubbling up and getting out of control inside her, becomes agitated and afraid, Scott is confused, she suddenly warms him to stay back, maybe clutches her head, and suddenly his power returns, ends up blasting her at close range, which she instinctively deflects, falling over back unconcious, while Scott is propelled much further back into the woods, leaving his glasses behind. He could have hit a tree or landed on some branches or a bush and been knocked unconcious. Wolverine has a great sense of smell but if the wind wasn't blowing right he wouldn't be able to find him, especially if it didn't occur for them to look for him but just assumed that something terrible, unthinkable happened. And while that scene is building up you could have the leaves and rocks rising in to the sky and the water boiling off to create that mist.
That scene to me was one of the pivotal, magical, emotional moments of the film. The kind of scene where time stands still and a single picture is worth a thousand words. We know that the Phoenix side comes out when Jean feels threatered, angry, or agitated. To be in the presence of the love of her life who's thoughts at that moment are pure and sincere with tears flowing down his cheeks and embracing her in a moment of warmth and tenderness? THat would probably be as good as any method to hold BACK the Phoenix! Only her insistence on holding back his eyebeams is what ruined the serenity and got out of control. For her to kill him at that most tender of moments is completely wrong and unthinkable. It's haunted me ever since I saw the movie and now I know why: Because it's completely wrong and senseless. About as wrong and as out of character as it would be to have a Prof X with hair or to have him get out of his wheelchair and do a tapdance routine.

Can't agree with you more......and your Pro.X theory makes me laugh :)

[bruja_escarlata]

good question.....I have seen it twice and the popcorn was great

[taintedFB]

It was definitely, I believe, a conscious decision to have a different effect for Scott than for Phoenix's dematerialization powers. When she attacked others, their skin didn't bubble like that, it was like a wind blew at them, blowing away their molecules.

I think it is clear that something "different" happened at Alkali Lake. Phoenix may be crazy, but she didn't kill Storm or any of the other X-Men OR any innocent humans. She attacked only when provoked. And Scott was not provoking her.

Conclusion: Though the writers intended to kill Cyclops, Ratner and Fox decided to use a different effect and cut away, to allow him to return for a possible X4. HE LIVES.

BTW: Without Cerebro, Xavier cannot sense things over great distances. What he sensed in X3 was not Scott's death, but Phoenix's psychic power which probably rippled across the globe (like in the cartoon, when every psychic on earth sensed the Phoenix's rising...)

And, God, I love that smile when Jean and Scott hug....

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Are you from thexverse ntcrawler? Iposted this on here before. DOnt worry i gave you the credit i said some dude from the xverse wrote it lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

It was definitely, I believe, a conscious decision to have a different effect for Scott than for Phoenix's dematerialization powers. When she attacked others, their skin didn't bubble like that, it was like a wind blew at them, blowing away their molecules.

I think it is clear that something "different" happened at Alkali Lake. Phoenix may be crazy, but she didn't kill Storm or any of the other X-Men OR any innocent humans. She attacked only when provoked. And Scott was not provoking her.

And, God, I love that smile when they hug....

your right about that...he didn't provoke her. maybe what happened was perhaps she lost control and tried to keep his blasts in check but without Scott's wearing the visor, it was too much...

and yeah I love the smile she has when they hug...awww:O huggy huggy kiss. :o

[ntcrawler]

your right about that...he didn't provoke her. maybe what happened was perhaps she lost control and tried to keep his blasts in check but without Scott's wearing the visor, it was too much...

and yeah I love the smile she has when they hug...awww:O huggy huggy kiss. :o


Definitely! All would have been fine if she didn't get too cocky about controlling his eyeblasts. She didn't quite have the technique down yet, or it started to hurt him, she lost her concentration and BAM. What you saw there was a dazed and confused but very much in control Jean Grey, not Phoenix. Scott's pure, sincere thoughts, love and warmth and them being in each other's arms were about the most effective way at quelling the beast within (or in this case the Phoenix within) as anything else could be.

Which is precisely why I can't accept the scene the way it's portrayed in the movie. If a moment of tenderness like this suddenly switches to her killing him in cold blood (intentional or not), then it becomes haunting and disgusting. In fact it makes me wretch every time I think about it since seeing the film. I've been wincing every time I see the picture of them at Alkali lake. Only thanks to you guys and the posts about rewriting / fixing that scene can I fall asleep at night

[ntcrawler]

It was definitely, I believe, a conscious decision to have a different effect for Scott than for Phoenix's dematerialization powers. When she attacked others, their skin didn't bubble like that, it was like a wind blew at them, blowing away their molecules.

I think it is clear that something "different" happened at Alkali Lake. Phoenix may be crazy, but she didn't kill Storm or any of the other X-Men OR any innocent humans. She attacked only when provoked. And Scott was not provoking her.

Conclusion: Though the writers intended to kill Cyclops, Ratner and Fox decided to use a different effect and cut away, to allow him to return for a possible X4. HE LIVES.

And, God, I love that smile when Jean and Scott hug....

You have a pic or screengrab of that? the only pics i've been able to find are when she first appears to Scott or the Kodak moment of them together from the side.

[ntcrawler]

Are you from thexverse ntcrawler? Iposted this on here before. DOnt worry i gave you the credit i said some dude from the xverse wrote it lol.

No not yet, I'm just getting started, didn't know about that site until yesterday but I'd love to drop in on the action. Happy that we share some views in common :) What forums are you active in where you posted that stuff?

[Bishop2]

I flipped through the new issue of Astonishing X-Men today. I didn't want to buy it, so I just read it in the store. Wouldn't give Whedon the satisfaction of giving him any blood money for what he's doing to the characters.

*SPOILERS*

So yeah, Scott's brain-dead. His powers gone and he's a zombie. The Hellfire Club took down the rest of the characters too, but all in a far less permanent fashion. In the end, only Kitty is left standing, so that she can self-righteously exclaim how she knew Emma was evil and talk about how she's going to kick ass next issue. In fact, Whedon has the AUDACITY to copy that famous ending panel of Wolverine from the Dark Phoenix Saga. You know the one - he's standing in the sewer, his fist clenched, and declares "Now it's MY turn!" Kitty does the same thing.

*END SPOILERS*

Whedon's got balls to try and compare himself to that classic, I'll give him that. Balls that I'm going to cut off and force him to chew up and swallow, mind you, but for the moment, he has balls.

I thought his characterization of Kitty as a self-righteous, obnoxious bizatch, who basically was completely different from the lovable Kitty of the past, was going somewhere. Well, it's not. Except down the road of "Kitty is obnoxiously self-righteous because she's ALWAYS RIGHT, of course!" What about to the lovable self-doubting Kitty? Her self-doubt is what MADE HER so fun. This is completely the opposite of everything good about her ever.

However, his decision to completely screw up the character of Emma is what really blows. I've been around long enough to know how badly out of character this is for who she's developed into. This is a woman who was trapped by bad guys, tied up next to Leech so that she couldn't use her powers. In order to finally get everyone free and stop the bad guys from murdering some people, she had to kick Leech across the room. That night, after doing so, she broke in tears because she thought that the fact that she had to kick an innocent person made her a terrible waste of mutant being. She thought it meant she was still as evil and misguided as she used to be, and it racked her with guilt. And all she did was KICK HIM! ONCE!

Now she's making her lover completely brain-dead with only minimal signs of remorse. Yeah. That's plausible. Joss can go to hell.

I'm going to hope, for the time being, that at LEAST Scott will come out of his brain-dead state... but I'm not gonna hold my breath, because Joss sucks so bad.

[taintedFB]

I'm sure he will. Whedon's handled Scott well in the past, and I doubt he'd do away with him that quickly...

It's always that same formula in storytelling, remove the leader and watch the team try to deal with situation on their own.

Hopefully, Scott will be back and QUICK! Maybe Xavier can help? Or dare we dream that he'd bring back Jean?

[PhePhe112]

lol, he might have taken that shot of her. But i think it adds more sadness for him in that scean.

First time i saw that scean i was like 'poor Scotty, i just wanted to give him a hug he looked so sad.'

I wanted to give him more than a hug!!!! :D :p ;)

[PhePhe112]

anyone have astonishing x-men 1-current issue I could borrow and read???? I have like 1,2 and 3 and it's sooooo expensive to buy them all at the moment.

[Mike059jig]

I have astoshing x-men 1-12 on my computer on adobe reader 7.0....but I don't know how to get to you...

[triplefive]

I flipped through the new issue of Astonishing X-Men today. I didn't want to buy it, so I just read it in the store. Wouldn't give Whedon the satisfaction of giving him any blood money for what he's doing to the characters.

*SPOILERS*

So yeah, Scott's brain-dead. His powers gone and he's a zombie. The Hellfire Club took down the rest of the characters too, but all in a far less permanent fashion. In the end, only Kitty is left standing, so that she can self-righteously exclaim how she knew Emma was evil and talk about how she's going to kick ass next issue. In fact, Whedon has the AUDACITY to copy that famous ending panel of Wolverine from the Dark Phoenix Saga. You know the one - he's standing in the sewer, his fist clenched, and declares "Now it's MY turn!" Kitty does the same thing.

*END SPOILERS*

Whedon's got balls to try and compare himself to that classic, I'll give him that. Balls that I'm going to cut off and force him to chew up and swallow, mind you, but for the moment, he has balls.

I thought his characterization of Kitty as a self-righteous, obnoxious bizatch, who basically was completely different from the lovable Kitty of the past, was going somewhere. Well, it's not. Except down the road of "Kitty is obnoxiously self-righteous because she's ALWAYS RIGHT, of course!" What about to the lovable self-doubting Kitty? Her self-doubt is what MADE HER so fun. This is completely the opposite of everything good about her ever.

However, his decision to completely screw up the character of Emma is what really blows. I've been around long enough to know how badly out of character this is for who she's developed into. This is a woman who was trapped by bad guys, tied up next to Leech so that she couldn't use her powers. In order to finally get everyone free and stop the bad guys from murdering some people, she had to kick Leech across the room. That night, after doing so, she broke in tears because she thought that the fact that she had to kick an innocent person made her a terrible waste of mutant being. She thought it meant she was still as evil and misguided as she used to be, and it racked her with guilt. And all she did was KICK HIM! ONCE!

Now she's making her lover completely brain-dead with only minimal signs of remorse. Yeah. That's plausible. Joss can go to hell.

I'm going to hope, for the time being, that at LEAST Scott will come out of his brain-dead state... but I'm not gonna hold my breath, because Joss sucks so bad.

This is a discussion more appropriate for the Astonishing X-Men thread... but I think Emma still loves Scott and whatever she did to him is reversible. We don't know what the big picture behind the HC's actions is, and we still haven't seen exactly what it is she's up to, so I don't think it's fair to write her off as completely evil yet.

[triplefive]

anyone have astonishing x-men 1-current issue I could borrow and read???? I have like 1,2 and 3 and it's sooooo expensive to buy them all at the moment.

The trade paperbacks and the new hardcover are pretty affordable in the US ($30) but they're a lot more than direct exchange if you live in Canada.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Cyke is brain dead? Reminds me on some BtVS characters after season 3 of BtVS.
Joss Whedon, master of idiocy.

[Mike059jig]

Cyclops is fine...You should see Wolverine in this issue, you will laugh at him he got it worst than Cyclops..He got turned into a child,Nova got him mind and turned him into a child(check out Mr.Lexthor's Image in the Astonishgin X-men Thread)and Beast is a beast chasing after him in the yard, and Clossus got knocked out cold....Emma kept him out of harms way and before you know it...He be back on his feet...And I agree that this does need to go in the Astonishing X-men thread, whoever said it

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ Huh?

[Mike059jig]

Go to the astonishing X-men thread in the comic section and look for the picture of wolverine acting as a child and Beast chasing after him...its really funny

[MsNatchios]

One more week until Superman Returns. It's sad that a new character like Richard White is probably more complex and fleshed out than movieverse Cyclops.

[Farren]

One more week until Superman Returns. It's sad that a new character like Richard White is probably more complex and fleshed out than movieverse Cyclops.
yes, yes it is...

[beccad5]

If anyone's interested, Jimmy will be a guest on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson on June 22nd!! It airs on CBS at 11:30pm Central!!

It looks like he's gonna have a nice role in the Superman movie.

[Mike059jig]

Are you serious Jimmy On a talk,now thats what I'm Talking about..Go James!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Just recently saw Love and sex and man... Famke's performance blew me away...lol. I like the moments when she gets angry, sad, classy, sexy, horny, emotional, happy, funny...but sometimes I see a few Jean and Phoenix moments here and there. watch her facial expressions and the way she reacts in her scenes- she's awsome.

Okay... now if Jean had her own x-men movie, that would be ... so awsome.

Alright...here's my rewrite...again.

Scott: Jean? How... -his face is shocked and confused as he looks up at her- how is this possible? This can't be you, Jean. I saw you die.

Jean: Scott? ...It is me.

Scott: but how?

Jean: I dunno...-she looks down at her hands-

Jean: -she glances down at him and slowly lowers herself to the ground. A light appears but then slowly fades away and Jean Grey steps forward but stops herself and she almost faints but Scott is there in an instant to keep her from falling unconcious-

Scott: Jean...you alright? -he stops and pulls away a strand of red hair from her pretty eyes and her face. She slowly opens her eyes and says "Hey Silm..." she smiles. He says "hey..." back and Scott helps her stand. then the two of them wrap their arms around each other and embrace- I've missed you so much. I don't know what I'd do without you then and now your here...I-

Jean: I've missed you too. -she holds onto him tightly, pauses and looks up at Scott- Theres so much I want to say to you. -she stares deeply at him and frowns- Scott... I wanna see your eyes.

Scott: no...-he slides his hands down to her waist, pulling her closer to him- I... don't want to hurt you, Jean.

Jean: trust me. -she runs her hand up along the side of his face, rubbing his cheek gently-I can control my powers...-then she slowly moves her hands up to his glasses-

Scott: Jean... -he pulls his hands away from her waist and grabs her wrists to prevent her from taking his glasses off- ...don't. -he looks down and lets go of one of her wrists-

Jean: please. -she rubs his chin and this makes him glance up at her. she bites her lower lip emotionally- Just this once.

Scott shakes his head and sighs.

Jean: You can't hurt me.

Scott: -swallows hard as he releases her other wrist from his grip slowly-

Jean: -she takes off his glasses-

Scott: ... -squeezes his eyes shut and as he hears her soft gentle voice "Open them..." he opens his eyes and stares lovenly at the most beautiful woman before him-

Jean: Oh Scott... -she says emotionally as she stares deeply into his beautiful eyes-

Scott: Jean... -he runs his hand through her hair and strokes her cheek. this time he brings her even more closer to him, his hands on the small of her back while Jean leans into him, wrapping her arms around his neck. As their lips meet, they kiss softly at first, they feel their love for each other has grown stronger than before. Jean runs her hand up into his hair and they kiss passionately while giving into their love and desires for each other-

...

...

and yeah...kinda too me a while to collect my feelings/thoughts and put them together...

[Rac]

One more week until Superman Returns. It's sad that a new character like Richard White is probably more complex and fleshed out than movieverse Cyclops. A fcking month in Finland. :(

(But we had X3 24.5. Although in my opinion they could'v dump it straight to dvd.)

[ntcrawler]

Alright...here's my rewrite...again.


This is looking very good so far. You've given it a touch of warmth and managed to take away its sinister side wonderfully.

I know what you mean about collecting your thoughts. I'm still working on my so I can post my rewrites and suggestions later tonight. I picked up the novelization and Alkali Lake was the first part I read. Needless it say it was a slap in the face and sent me back a few bases. I'll need to post that section too, you all need to see it! It's just as bizarre and feels as wrong wrong as in the movie.

[bexta89]

Why didn't you watch it till now? (Edit: Not that I recommend you to :down :o )


1- Haven't had a chance.
2- Cinemas are too loud, I end up with a migraine for days.
3- I hate to spend heaps of money on a ticket and food, then spend half the movie in the toilet.

Plus a few other reasons. But I think I'm gunna have to brave it all and go. Maybe tomorrow...

[Bishop2]

1- Haven't had a chance.
2- Cinemas are too loud, I end up with a migraine for days.
3- I hate to spend heaps of money on a ticket and food, then spend half the movie in the toilet.

Plus a few other reasons. But I think I'm gunna have to brave it all and go. Maybe tomorrow...

Don't buy any food at the theater. Problem solved.