Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[xwolverine2]

Green Pants - Is it that time again? Yeah! I think every 10 pages or so should do the trick.

By the way, one positive thing about Brett Ratner movies is that no actor/actress ever looks better than they do in "A Brett Ratner Film". Jimmy fits that bill - I love his X3 look so far.
anthony hopkins - red dragon:up:

[BBraddockLover]

^ A severe frontal shart. http://forum.opiophile.org/images/smilies/2005.01/bath.gif

...or something far worse! http://foro.hispazone.com/images/smilies/customs/love-smiley-039.gif


lol very funny :up: :)

[BBraddockLover]

Green Pants - Is it that time again? Yeah! I think every 10 pages or so should do the trick.

By the way, one positive thing about Brett Ratner movies is that no actor/actress ever looks better than they do in "A Brett Ratner Film". Jimmy fits that bill - I love his X3 look so far.


lol very true everyone in this movie is looking really hot... except omyhra she is kinda :eek: :down

[Maze]

Liking the plural on scenes.

well ,That doesn't mean that Cyke would be in more than one scene with Jean

the impact of what could happens in their relashionship(his death for example :( ) could result in many scenes ..

i'm not saying that it will be the case ..but one must also consider that..

ps:..but he will have more than one scene , we know that now :)

[Anton Oksehud]

lol very true everyone in this movie is looking really hot... except omyhra she is kinda :eek: :down

Seriously, when is Omahyra Mota ever really hot ???
Disturbing, fascinating - Maybe ... Hot - Never :mad:

[aaron]

I seriously dont know how shes a model

[Kazaire]

Seriously, if there ever was the opposite of a model. (Un-model if you will) Omahyra would fit into it.

[chaseter]

There is going to be a lot of suprises. The sentinels will be fought in the danger room. That is right, there are sentinels but they are computer programs in the danger room sequence...not in real life. Prof X dies but Magneto does not lead them. He will continue to lead his brotherhood. I think Gambit will make an appearance but towards the end. It would be awesome if they introduced a Dr. Nathaniel Essex as the lead creator of the cure. After all, the cure is deadly and kills Mystique. What if Apoc was behind the cure in the first place, making Essex(who will become Sinister at the end) impllant a virus in the new cure to kill off all the mutants so that he will reign supreme.

[Specter313]

There is going to be a lot of suprises. The sentinels will be fought in the danger room. That is right, there are sentinels but they are computer programs in the danger room sequence...not in real life. Prof X dies but Magneto does not lead them. He will continue to lead his brotherhood. I think Gambit will make an appearance but towards the end. It would be awesome if they introduced a Dr. Nathaniel Essex as the lead creator of the cure. After all, the cure is deadly and kills Mystique. What if Apoc was behind the cure in the first place, making Essex(who will become Sinister at the end) impllant a virus in the new cure to kill off all the mutants so that he will reign supreme.

This is why people gotta learn not to believe in crappy "spoilers".

[chaseter]

Those were just things that I have heard or have seen myself in the trailer. Watch the trailer closely. We know Cyclops and Prof X dies. The rest was just speculation on what I would think would be cool in this one. They have to set up for the other string of X-men movies. This will be the last of this trilogy but there will be future X-men movies.

[Specter313]

Those were just things that I have heard or have seen myself in the trailer. Watch the trailer closely. We know Cyclops and Prof X dies. The rest was just speculation on what I would think would be cool in this one. They have to set up for the other string of X-men movies. This will be the last of this trilogy but there will be future X-men movies.

No, we don't know who dies.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

Specter is right. We dont know who dies and who doesnt...

[Octoberist]

IF and ONLY IF Cykes dies, I want him to die like a champ. Honest to God, I think he will bite the dust (I hate it) but if Kinberg doesn't want any hatemail, I don't think Cykes will be featured only 10 mins in the movie (and then mention his name here and there)

[Storm22]

I agree with you Octberist, I think there's a good chance Cyclops will die but I think (judging by Kinberg's answers) that it'll be handled well and have the necessary emotional impact on the viewer.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

Well, remember what he said.

I will be deeply disappointed if the fans don’t dig X3. I don’t really care about critics. I care about core fans.

He wants US to be happy! He reads the forums, and he knows what he is doing...

[Octoberist]

I've had my doubts about this flick, but Kinberg didn't HAVE to do this. It's nice of him to do a Q and A, which is rare to see.

He knows that Cyclops is important....but just in case, I've typed up my hate mail..

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

He knows, Penn knows, and Ratner knows. While he might die, bhe wont "punk" out and die like a pansy. He will have his moment. Hopefully one that rivals Nightcrawlers opening scene as being a highlight of the series (as good as a death could be)....

[Octoberist]

Out of all the names in the world, why 'RatnerRules'?

Hopefully, Ratner will 'rule' with X3...but I don't know about Rush Hour 3: The Last Stand.

[chaseter]

We know Cyclops dies. Watch the trailer like I have said. He is the only one without an X suit. Wolverine also picks up his glasses when they are floating in the air at Alkali Lake.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

We know Cyclops dies. Watch the trailer like I have said. He is the only one without an X suit. Wolverine also picks up his glasses when they are floating in the air at Alkali Lake.

Really now? It appears, then, that Angel dies, because he is barely in the trailer.

Oh, and it appears as if the entire film is only about 2 mintues.

You cant see everything that happens in the film from the trailer. The execs wouldnt release a trailer with such a massive spoiler in it, so dont even try that....

[Specter313]

We know Cyclops dies. Watch the trailer like I have said. He is the only one without an X suit. Wolverine also picks up his glasses when they are floating in the air at Alkali Lake.

You're kidding, right? You're basing that he dies off that?

[chaseter]

This movie is also ending the trilogy Kinberg has said. At the end of every great trilogy, character that are important die. They are already writing a Magneto and Wolvie spinoff. Therefore, those 2 won't die. Juggernaut is signed on for a 3,4,and 5th but it will be a different line with different characters. What better way to end a trilogy about the X-men than to have their leader,Cyclops, and their founder, Prof X, die. It will be dramatic and ironic because Jean kills them both.

[Storm22]

I don't really think it's an argument about Cyclops dying anymore, I think it's more to do now with the amount of screen time he's going to get and how well his character is handled. He can still play "an important" role in the movie and die, as Kinberg said himself - look at the Obi Wan scenario in Star Wars!

[chaseter]

That's not the spoiler. I don't know what the major plot twist is. Maybe Phoenix brings him back with her powers, I don't know. Your argument about Angel makes no since. He could die yes and no. They leave very good clues in trailers. If they didn't want to leave clues and hints the trailer would be milisecond snippets of the characters faces up close. Something is always given away in trailers. They use some of the greatest scenes in trailers so taht you will want to go see this movie.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

This movie is also ending the trilogy Kinberg has said. At the end of every great trilogy, character that are important die. They are already writing a Magneto and Wolvie spinoff. Therefore, those 2 won't die. Juggernaut is signed on for a 3,4,and 5th but it will be a different line with different characters. What better way to end a trilogy about the X-men than to have their leader,Cyclops, and their founder, Prof X, die. It will be dramatic and ironic because Jean kills them both.

That already qualifies you as a 8==D

Magnetos spinoff is set in the past, and already confirmed so. He could easily die....

[Storm22]

They can also deliberately leave "red herrings" in trailers leading people to assume that something happens to a certain character. Fox and co. were aware of the AICN script review and the rumoured and heavily talked about death of Cyclops so maybe they decided to play up to those rumours (if that's all they were) by showing footage from the movie that may SUGGEST that is what happens in the movie but come May 26th there may be a big twist in store for the viewers who were so adament Cyclops was a goner. All I'm saying is no of us KNOW one way or the other whether Cyclops dies or not!

[chaseter]

The whole Magneto spinoff is not set in the past. It starts off in the past. They leave tons of clues in trailers. Cyclops and Jean are not at the X mansion funeral, Cylcops is not in action, Mystique is handcuffed, and one of the biggies im sure you were too busy to look at Ratner is that Jean joins the brotherhood. She is with Magneto on his left in the forest scene. Now that's a plot twist you said ealier that execs would not show in trailers.

[Storm22]

The Magneto film is set in the past actually. It's about Magneto when he was young.

[chaseter]

I agree with Storm. We don't know the huge plot twist and im sure they have put out fake plot sequences that AICN picked up on. Sort of viral marketing like how Bungie and Microsoft have done with the 360 and Halo 2. All of these things circulating are just making the fans more excitied about the movie and adding to the hype about the upcoming film.

[chaseter]

They havent even finished the script. They are not going to let an unknown play Magneto because no one would watch it. They need Ian to helm the magneto role in order to give an awesome perormance that people will want to come watch. The whole movie will not be about a young magneto.

[PWN3R]

...Singer's sexuality has nothing to do with his directing.


Lets not forget the whole striker/wolvie tent thing..."What do you really want?" lol :eek: j/k

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

They havent even finished the script. They are not going to let an unknown play Magneto because no one would watch it. They need Ian to helm the magneto role in order to give an awesome perormance that people will want to come watch. The whole movie will not be about a young magneto.

It is confirmed as being so! We already know that its going to be set in the past, during his post holocaust college days. Why are you saying that it wont be???


Also, they let an unknown play Wolverine, and look what happened...

[chaseter]

HAHA Hugh Jackman was not an unknown. Show me where they said it will be entirely in the post holocause college days. That movie will not be exciting at all. Magneto vs Nazis, very compelling. Hugh Jackman was famous before X1. The movie just added to his star calliber.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

HAHA Hugh Jackman was not an unknown. Show me where they said it will be entirely in the post holocause college days. That movie will not be exciting at all. Magneto vs Nazis, very compelling. Hugh Jackman was famous before X1. The movie just added to his star calliber.

Are you serious? Which one of his pre X1 films was the bigger one, then, Paperback Hero (no one knows it) or Erskinville Kings (no one knows it).

Oh, and to prove your stupidity, here. http://www.sneakpeektv.com/id201.html

Magneto film news..

[Storm22]

The majority of the Magneto film is, apparently, about how Magneto became Magneto ie. exploring his past. IF Ian McKellen is in it it'll most likely only be a small cameo. Likewise chaseter, you show me where they said the Magneto movie would be centred around something other than Magneto's life as a youngster!

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

Oh, here are Jackmans films pre X1. Tell me if any sound familiar, but I dont have to worry, cuz they wont...

Oklahoma! (1999) (TV) .... Curly McLain
Erskineville Kings (1999) .... Wace
Paperback Hero (1999) .... Jack Willis
Halifax f.p: Afraid of the Dark (1998) (TV) .... Eric Ringer
... aka Profile of a Serial Killer (USA: video title)
"Snowy River: The McGregor Saga" (1993) TV Series .... Duncan Jones (1996)
... aka Banjo Paterson's The Man From Snowy River
"Blue Heelers"
- Just Desserts (1995) TV Episode .... Brady Jackson
"Correlli" (1995) TV Series .... Kevin Jones
"Law of the Land"
- Win, Lose and Draw (1994) TV Episode .... Charles 'Chicka' McCray

[PWN3R]

And no, Wolverine is not the only thing that makes Jackman famous. That's absurd.

True, he does the whole broadway thing and much more, but playing wolverine made him a household name, no lie there.

[Storm22]

We're getting slightly off topic here guys.....

[chaseter]

I'm not the one that implied Jackman was a nobody before X-Men. I do agree Ranger that it made him more famous. Since Storm thinks we are off topic, lets get back to the face that James Marsden was the worst choice for Cyclops. I think they could of gotten a lot better actor to play Cyclops and make him as famous as he was in the comics. They aren't even focusing on the leader of the x-men in the last two movies. Cyclops is a great character but sadly the 3rd movie isn't about him either. I think him dying in the 3rd would just further fuel Phoenix's rage, increasing her power.

[chaseter]

Thanks Ratner. That link you sent me above to "further prove my supidity." had a whole lot about the plot of the movie. It stated nothing about how the movie was to be set in the "post holocaust college days." All it said was that he meets Charles Xavier of the Allied forces. No official statement from Fox has stated the story/plot of the Magneto movie.

[aaron]

I think to people who dont really know too much about comic book movies, Swordfish made him

[chaseter]

I thought Swordfish was a bust? Not for sure but I think it didn't do great at the box office. X-Men got him started in action films.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

Thanks Ratner. That link you sent me above to "further prove my supidity." had a whole lot about the plot of the movie. It stated nothing about how the movie was to be set in the "post holocaust college days." All it said was that he meets Charles Xavier of the Allied forces. No official statement from Fox has stated the story/plot of the Magneto movie.

Focus of the film will be set during World War II, revolving around the character's early years.

"I pitched a film that is almost 'The Pianist' meets 'X-Men'", said Turner.

The storyline will also include the character of 'Professor X', as a soldier in the allied forces.

That isnt the post holocaust days?

And Kinberg has said repeatedly in forum talk that this is the truth, and it will be a young Magneto...

[Kira]

I thought Swordfish was a bust? Not for sure but I think it didn't do great at the box office. X-Men got him started in action films.

:confused: I thought Swordfish did well... At least it did good for John Travoltas career. Sadly.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

:confused: I thought Swordfish did well... At least it did good for John Travoltas career. Sadly.

It did do well. Enspecially on VHS and DVD sales...

[aaron]

Made $147,080,413 at the box office

[Telekinetic]

i own swordfish. =p

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

As do I....

For boobies...

The film was pretty good too!

[gap5ewl]

We know Cyclops dies. Watch the trailer like I have said. He is the only one without an X suit. Wolverine also picks up his glasses when they are floating in the air at Alkali Lake.
NEVER assume...the truth is we migh be pretty confident about a lot of stuff in this movie, but we really dont know what to expect other than something amazing. We won't know the truth until May 26, 2006.

[The Punisher]

Well said.

[chaseter]

True, true. I think he dies but I think Jean brings him back to life.

[vanillacyke]

I still think he dies at the begining, does'nt come back, and is forgotten and never talked about by the X-Men again.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

I still think he dies at the begining, does'nt come back, and is forgotten and never talked about by the X-Men again.

That is why he is in multiple scenes, and Kinberg said his part was very interesting and complex....

[The Punisher]

Exactly so i think we'll see more of him.

[chaseter]

Yea I deff. agree. He gets zapped by an uncrolling Jean at Alkali lake but she learns to use her power and bring him back to life. Could it be a more powerful Cyclops like Phoenix is a more powerful Jean?

[tonytr1687]

That is why he is in multiple scenes, and Kinberg said his part was very interesting and complex....

Kinberg never used the words interesting and complex to describe his part...and those multiple scenes you speak of are probably the few that he's in before going to alkali lake.

[MsNatchios]

I still think he dies at the begining, does'nt come back, and is forgotten and never talked about by the X-Men again.

If you're a big Cyclops fan I think this mentality is the way to go, that way you won't be let down.

[XxRatnerRulesxX]

This is a question that Kinberg answerd.

4) Will Cyclops fans be disappointed? :P

I hope not!

I know that its quick and random, but he says that he hopes not. This implies that he feels as if they (Scott fans) wont be pissed off by what could happen. Now, you might say "Thats the best answer he could give" or "Well, hes not going to say yes, that they will be dissapointed". Well, if that was the case, then why did he answer it?

[tonytr1687]

This is a question that Kinberg answerd.



I know that its quick and random, but he says that he hopes not. This implies that he feels as if they (Scott fans) wont be pissed off by what could happen. Now, you might say "Thats the best answer he could give" or "Well, hes not going to say yes, that they will be dissapointed". Well, if that was the case, then why did he answer it?

That answer was very odd to me. One b/c its very rare that someone involved with a production doesnt say: fans wont be disappointed. Two because if anything that answer implies some doubt on his part.

[SlimDayspring]

Does anyone know where I can find those new shots of Cyclops from the film that have popped up recently?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Does anyone know where I can find those new shots of Cyclops from the film that have popped up recently?

I've PM'ed it to you.

[Wolverini]

You received that PM I've sent you then Lightning? :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

You received that PM I've sent you then Lightning? :)


Yes, I just got yours too. 2 people have sent it to me today. It's crazy considering I'm not the biggest fan of that character! ;)

Someone send me some Storm pics! LOL :cool:

[Kmack]

:eek: Lightnin PLEASE, pass the love!:D:up:

[ts16]

Wait wait wait, what???? are these new cyclops pics or just the little avvy's that everybody has seen already????......Oh and if their new, can somebody pm me :D

[Storm22]

Likewise. If there are new Cyclops pics around, other than the avvys could someone PM them to me too?

[CapBeerCino]

I know that its quick and random, but he says that he hopes not. This implies that he feels as if they (Scott fans) wont be pissed off by what could happen. Now, you might say "Thats the best answer he could give" or "Well, hes not going to say yes, that they will be dissapointed". Well, if that was the case, then why did he answer it?

It stands in contrast with how enthusiastic he was when asked about Jean.
Not happy!

[astonishingcyke]

hey guys, ive been reading the forums for about over a year now, and just joined. So what do you guys think about that news from liz over at canmag? I think its prolly a bunch of bologna, but at this point with all the stuff going around, i have no idea what to think lol.

[Kazaire]

Welcome to the hype! And yes, Liz is full of bull.

[gap5ewl]

yeah she is. also there is indeed a pic up of cyclops over on xverse. its just a bigger version of one of the avi's posted. the one where he's outside and has a concerned look on his face.

[lordofthenerds]

Here is the pic that Gina posted:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8210/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

[Lightning Strykez!]

As I said earlier...he looks a mess.

[BBraddockLover]

but still hot!

[WalkingDead]

Man...the more I see/hear/read of ol' Cyke, the more I think I'm gonna like what little he does in the movie...should be dramatic, well-acted, and memorable.

And yeah, Cyke totally looks a mess.

[BBraddockLover]

I still think he dies at the begining, does'nt come back, and is forgotten and never talked about by the X-Men again.


i really hope not, that sux

[aaron]

Is James going a li'l grey?

[Another_Fool]

Great pic.

Too bad its got "Dead Man" written all over him. Hope I'm proven wrong.

[SlimDayspring]

Man...the more I see/hear/read of ol' Cyke, the more I think I'm gonna like what little he does in the movie...should be dramatic, well-acted, and memorable.
I don't know about that. Earlier it was mentioned that Cyclops could have a really meaningful death. I think that it would have indeed been possible, but for how the character was treated in the first two movies. There may be allusions here as to how important he is/was to the X-Men, but unless we see some of that in this film we'll have nothing to base that assumption on if we look at the first two movies.

[jusblaze21]

Here is the pic that Gina posted:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8210/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

I still have faith Cyke will live, but when i see pics like this I second guess myself.

[LMason]

"Always look on the bright side of life" (cue whistling)....

It appears that Cyclops is finally getting to ride his motorcycle!

[WorthyStevens]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpghttp://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

Hopefully Cyclops having 2 costumes (seemingly) is a good sign. I'm hoping the former picture is at the end of the movie... *prays*

[tonytr1687]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpghttp://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

Hopefully Cyclops having 2 costumes (seemingly) is a good sign. I'm hoping the former picture is at the end of the movie... *prays*

I dunno the jacket looks the same, although the shirt underneath looks black in one picture and is red in the other.

[Sony23]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpghttp://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

Hopefully Cyclops having 2 costumes (seemingly) is a good sign. I'm hoping the former picture is at the end of the movie... *prays*

You're right. There are 2 costumes:

http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X3/Movie_Stills/x3cyclops.jpg

Notice the black X logo on the collar? Is this the same jacket in the image on the left?

[WorthyStevens]

^ I have no idea if it's the same jacket or not.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpg

I noticed that Cyclops has a strap around his shoulder, like he's carrying a bag. It looks to me as if he's preparing to leave the mansion, and the team.

[tonytr1687]

Guys he's wearing the same jacket in both pics. And that promo pic was doctored.

[WorthyStevens]

Guys he's wearing the same jacket in both pics. And that promo pic was doctored.

I figured the jacket would be the same. But it's the 2 different shirts that I'm noticing.

[tonytr1687]

I figured the jacket would be the same. But it's the 2 different shirts that I'm noticing.

Yeah I noticed that too, but it could just be the lighting is dark in that other pic and therefore you cant see the red. The way I see it the first pic is of Scott leaving the mansion (with backpack and everything) to go to Alkali Lake and then the second one is of course him at the lake.

[jusblaze21]

I want a pic of him in uniform, but maybe that would be to much of a spolier.

[tkenji69]

Guys he's wearing the same jacket in both pics. And that promo pic was doctored.

I'm not so sure, the supposed backpack strap looks like its stiched into the jacket to me like a stripe or something.

[the Firestarter]

looks like the same costume to me.

hey, if that's his x-men uniform... how does angel borrow it (according to liz)? sound ridiculous. how would angel's wings fit in cyclops' leather?!?

[tkenji69]

^^ one jacket has a Xmen symbol the other has a piece of a snap.

[vanillacyke]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpg

Where the heck is this pic. from?!?!

[vanillacyke]

And why the hell does that cool pic. of Cyke say Miss Lady Venus? That is so freakin' retarded and out of place.

[Valorman]

im making a decision

cyke..will live

maybe ressurected..or at least somewhere in the third act hell pop up..but..im deciding hes going to live
'untill i see the movie im sticking with that.

[MoPlaYa]

Wolverine will make a hole in Cyclops`s uniform for Angel.....

[Daniella]

Since you guys put the picture on the forum... I'm going to say...

Look at the pic that Gina posted... if the lake is in front of him, why he is looking at his left side ??? Maybe he will be captured instead of dead... and that's why Wolvie finds just his glasses...

Dany

[Storm22]

I just noticed, looking at those Cyclops pics on the previous page that Cyclops isn't actually wearing the same jacket, so his promo pic wasn't digi-shopped with an X. You can clearly see the difference, in his promo pic he doesn't have those red and yellow stripes running up the side of his jacket. Hmmm.

[Hugh'sMrs]

I just noticed, looking at those Cyclops pics on the previous page that Cyclops isn't actually wearing the same jacket, so his promo pic wasn't digi-shopped with an X. You can clearly see the difference, in his promo pic he doesn't have those red and yellow stripes running up the side of his jacket. Hmmm.

The original photo on the official site had the jacket with the red and yellow stripes and it was later changed to a solid black jacket with the small x on the lapel. What made it obviously photoshopped (by Fox) was that it was the same pose as the first photo. They should've replaced the glasses with his visor.

[Storm22]

Does anyone have the original pic? Are you sure? He's wearing a different colour T-shirt too though. And in those other pics he seems to be wearing the same black jacket and black T shirt as the promo pic, we can't see whether he has an X logo on his collar cos it's folded over though. So far we have 2 images of him in full black jacket and black t shirt and one of him in the jacket with the different coour stripes and red t shirt, doesn't add up! Look closely aswell, the black jacket is a different type of leather, it's rougher and the zip line is silver, compared to gold in the other pic. I think it's a different costume!

[Obsidian]

You're right. There are 2 costumes:

http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X3/Movie_Stills/x3cyclops.jpg

Notice the black X logo on the collar? Is this the same jacket in the image on the left?

no..they're not the same...the first one has a gold/copper colored zipper and the second one has a dark gray/silverish zipper:o

[Octoberist]

It's called photoshop my friend....

[Storm22]

Yep, they're different.

[Storm22]

It's called photoshop my friend....

They hardly photoshopped his whole jacket, his t shirt, his collar and his zipper, come on!

[The Batman]

Kinberg just confirmed that ian mckellen did not shoot his x2 scenes in two weeks. he was there for the entire shoot...

still looks like summers bites the big one

[Storm22]

I think he was confused there actually, he said McKellen was filming "Da Vinci Code" for a bit but then cam back on set. McKellen definitely wasn't filming DVC back then, he was on LOTR. I think Kinberg thought the person was asking about McKellen's filming time on X3 so that's what he was talking about there.

[GyLocke]

They hardly photoshopped his whole jacket, his t shirt, his collar and his zipper, come on!

Actually that was originally a faceshot for Jubilee. The wonders of Photoshop.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

Hey all,
I was just over at the Master Replicas site and on their blog page. I noticed that they are making a Cyclops X3 visor. Now that isnt a deffinate that he wears it in the movie, but I think it is a strong possibility.

I think cylops get taken by the morlocks and loses his powere due to lack of exposure to sunlight, then later on in the movie convinces the morlocks to help save the world. But I think no matter what the Cyke lives and see's some action.

[Storm22]

Thanks for that, interesting! Dunno bout your theory although I've been thinking it's possible he gets kidnapped at Alkali Lake in an attempt to frame an amnesiac Jean, to lure her to the brotherhood. I am curious though as to whether we'll get to see Cyclops in his visor and your post MAY have shed some light on that curiosity.

Got a link?

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think he was confused there actually, he said McKellen was filming "Da Vinci Code" for a bit but then cam back on set. McKellen definitely wasn't filming DVC back then, he was on LOTR. I think Kinberg thought the person was asking about McKellen's filming time on X3 so that's what he was talking about there.


That's correct. Simon appears to have misunderstood the question. And since he wasn't on board for X2 it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't know what Ian's schedule was 4 years ago.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

no..they're not the same...the first one has a gold/copper colored zipper and the second one has a dark gray/silverish zipper:o

Actually yea they are the same jacket. It is just creative photoshopping. I am not even a pro and I get almost the exact same results with just 5 mins of photoshopping.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/cyclopslives.jpg

[Celestial]

Ian McKellen was available for most of the X2 shoot. In his own words:
I've enjoyed being back with him, although it was only for 15 days spread over 15 weeks of glorious British Columbian summer. Magneto's lair (http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/xmen2/lair/030324.htm)

[Storm22]

What about the other photo's of Cyclops in the black jacket and T shirt then, they photoshop them too?? I just don't think they'd go to such lengths! I dunno.

[SlimDayspring]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8210/cyclopsx32wq.jpg

http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X3/Movie_Stills/x3cyclops.jpg

The jacket is these photos appears to be the same. It looks like the red and yellow stripe was coloured black for the 'uniform'.

[PWN3R]

man, this does not look good for the cyke fans....

[Storm22]

Does anyone have a link to the supposed original promo pic before it was photoshopped??

[TimDrakeRobin45]

It was released photoshopped. Thats what they do to throw people off. Look at the leangths they went to with X2 by putting Jean in the shot of everyone at the whitehouse. They are very sly.

[Storm22]

I dunno, photoshopping one promo shot is one thing but there have been 2 or 3 other screengrabs released from X3 of Cyclops wearing that same black jacket and black T shirt.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

I dont think those are photoshopped, I think those are from another scene. He has what looks to be a backpack or duffle bag over his shoulder which probably has clothes in it. I imagine the trip up to Alkalai lake is not just a quck one, so he probably changes clothes. I was just trying to show that the pic wasn't of him in his uniform, but them trying to make it appear that he was. I dont think Cyclops dies, as I have stated previoulsey. I just think he gets kidnapped or held against his will somwhere. Maybe Jeans attempt to hold in his powere simply knocks him unconciouse or flings him into the trees behind him where he is impaled by a tree, I dont really know, none of us do at this point. I just dont think he is going to be killed off, I hope he doesnt.

[PWN3R]

Look closely at both pics above...its the same shirt and jacket. Look at the collar of his shirt, it sticks out in both pics, they obvisiouly altered the pic to make it appear as the uniform. If you do not believe they would do that, look what they did in X2 with Jean in the Oval Office. Still even with all that, I CAN NOT see them killing Cykes off like that.

[CapBeerCino]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/xmen59.jpg


Speaking of photoshop - this pic looks weird :confused:

[The Guard]

The fact that we've seen only those shots of Cyclops at Alkali Lake mean more or less nothing to me about his character's fate. We haven't really seen Dark Phoenix in action either, or much of anything beyond the beginning conflicts of the film. Probably because that's all that was filmed/finished when the original teaser was released.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

The fact that we've seen only those shots of Cyclops at Alkali Lake mean more or less nothing to me about his character's fate. We haven't really seen Dark Phoenix in action either, or much of anything beyond the beginning conflicts of the film. Probably because that's all that was filmed/finished when the original teaser was released.


I LIKE YOUR STYLE!

[Hugh'sMrs]

Isn't Master Replicas a toy company?

[CapBeerCino]

Don't you just love it when most of the replies in Simon Kinberg's thread in the xverse are fans concerned about Cyclops? I know it too little too late, but still I get a warm fuzzy feeling when I see another "will Cyke die?" post.

[cookiva]

The fact that we've seen only those shots of Cyclops at Alkali Lake mean more or less nothing to me about his character's fate. We haven't really seen Dark Phoenix in action either, or much of anything beyond the beginning conflicts of the film. Probably because that's all that was filmed/finished when the original teaser was released.

Exactly. People who say that Cyke is dying just from the trailer dont know anything. We see Xavier looking sad, so he must die. We see Storm crying, so she must die. We see Wolverine worried, so he must die.

Get off your high horses (hehee, waaay too old) and think about it!

[BBraddockLover]

i agree with THE GUARD

[The Guard]

I'm still of the opinion that Cyclops has some GREAT scenes in X3, and that if he does indeed die/disappear, the results will make it well worth it.

[cookiva]

I'm still of the opinion that Cyclops has some GREAT scenes in X3, and that if he does indeed die/disappear, the results will make it well worth it.

THANK YOU!

While I feel he will probably die, from everything we have seen, he will not only have a "cool" part, but an important one at that.

[The Guard]

He had some fantastic scenes in X2 to this end, as well. And they had to do with him and Jean and their bond, and their interaction and feelings for each other. I expect nothing less in X3.

[taintedFB]

This is getting ridiculous! In most of X-2 characters had maybe 2 or 3 wardrobe changes at most. Wolvie was wearing that white t-shirt for most of the movie!

I never thought about Cyke being captured by the morlocks. It would be a good way to itegrate them into the story and still use a plot from the comics. & tv show. I can see him being captured by the morlocks at Alkali Lake where they are helping Magneto to search for her.

Truth is anything is possible and the more I'm hearing from kinberg, the more I'm convinced that he will survive. I'm sure his role won't be that big (probably just a little more than X2) but that it will be quality stuff.

The theory about Phoenix killing him and bringing him back doesn't make sense because he is needed to turn her good again. She's killed Xavier, whom she feels betrayed her, and Logan is with Storm, maybe a little jealousy there? In either Event, only Scott's return will bring her back under control.

[tonytr1687]

This is getting ridiculous! In most of X-2 characters had maybe 2 or 3 wardrobe changes at most. Wolvie was wearing that white t-shirt for most of the movie!

I never thought about Cyke being captured by the morlocks. It would be a good way to itegrate them into the story and still use a plot from the comics. & tv show. I can see him being captured by the morlocks at Alkali Lake where they are helping Magneto to search for her.

Truth is anything is possible and the more I'm hearing from kinberg, the more I'm convinced that he will survive. I'm sure his role won't be that big (probably just a little more than X2) but that it will be quality stuff.

The theory about Phoenix killing him and bringing him back doesn't make sense because he is needed to turn her good again. She's killed Xavier, whom she feels betrayed her, and Logan is with Storm, maybe a little jealousy there? In either Event, only Scott's return will bring her back under control.

Unless they plan on not having Jean redeem herself and just die evil...which would be another thing that would ruin this movie. Jean shouldnt die again. It would be redundant. So I hope you're right.

[cookiva]

Oh, but being born twice isnt?

[the_scream]

Oh, come on guys. Cyclops dies. It was in the script that he dies at the lake and the trailer shows Wolverine finding his glasses floating in the air. Not to mention Marsden was only on set for a few days and every response to "will we be dissapointed" has been "I hope not". NOT "no way, we have big things planned for Cyclops in X3" just a whimper "I hope not".

I am very pleased at seeing all this support for Cyclops over at XVerse. All the fans are coming out now and I hope they are sweating over their decision to kill him off. I haven't noticed one Wolverine question at all. Isn't that weird? All the fans are getting behind Cykes so if you haven't posted a question yet, go for it people!

[cookiva]

Oh, come on guys. Cyclops dies. It was in the script that he dies at the lake and the trailer shows Wolverine finding his glasses floating in the air. Not to mention Marsden was only on set for a few days and every response to "will we be dissapointed" has been "I hope not". NOT "no way, we have big things planned for Cyclops in X3" just a whimper "I hope not".

I am very pleased at seeing all this support for Cyclops over at XVerse. All the fans are coming out now and I hope they are sweating over their decision to kill him off. I haven't noticed one Wolverine question at all. Isn't that weird? All the fans are getting behind Cykes so if you haven't posted a question yet, go for it people!

Wow, so many stupid things here to argue against. Here are the 2 funniest responses...


1) That same script review had Angels father as the main villain in the movie. We know thats not true.

2) Ian McKellan filmed his parts for X2 in 2 weeks. Marsden was on for longer, more like 3 or 4 weeks.

[the Firestarter]

cyclops is pivotal to the redemption of pheonix. departing from that would be a major departure from the comics & imho destroy what was the best part of the storyline.

[cookiva]

cyclops is pivotal to the redemption of pheonix. departing from that would be a major departure from the comics & imho destroy what was the best part of the storyline.

Pivotal in the comics, yes, but guess what? THIS ISNT THE COMICS! This is a completely different monster, a different universe. In this universe, Iceman isnt the wisecracking prankster teen. Sabretooth and Wolverine dont know eachother (to our knowledge). Striker is a general, not a religious fanatic.

[tonytr1687]

Oh, but being born twice isnt?

That doesnt even make sense. And it's completely different from having a scene in each movie where she dies at the end both times. And its not just redundant, but a horrible end for her character if she dies AGAIN and without even being redeemed. Why do you have to defend every single goddamn thing that this movie does?

[tonytr1687]

Pivotal in the comics, yes, but guess what? THIS ISNT THE COMICS! This is a completely different monster, a different universe. In this universe, Iceman isnt the wisecracking prankster teen. Sabretooth and Wolverine dont know eachother (to our knowledge). Striker is a general, not a religious fanatic.

True, this isnt the comics...but every change they've made is forgiveable. This was their chance to redeem Cyclops and finally give him his place in the trilogy...and they seem to have blown it. That change would not be forgiveable, especially if they have Storm or Wolverine saving her instead.

[the Firestarter]

agreed. it has to be cyclops to redeem jean.

[tonytr1687]

Wow, so many stupid things here to argue against. Here are the 2 funniest responses...


1) That same script review had Angels father as the main villain in the movie. We know thats not true.

2) Ian McKellan filmed his parts for X2 in 2 weeks. Marsden was on for longer, more like 3 or 4 weeks.

Actually Kinberg confirmed that the 2 weeks thing was a false rumor. I was a little confused when he answered my question and mentioned Da Vinci Code as the reason why Ian was taken away from the shoot for a while. So I PMed Scott and asked if he had mistaken my question and thought I was talking about the X3 shoot instead, or if he simply got mixed up and meant to say Lord of the Rings. Much to my dismay he said it was the latter. So that means Ian was there for the whole X2 shoot.

[cookiva]

That doesnt even make sense. And it's completely different from having a scene in each movie where she dies at the end both times. And its not just redundant, but a horrible end for her character if she dies AGAIN and without even being redeemed. Why do you have to defend every single goddamn thing that this movie does?

It does make sense, if you have a brain. She was born as a baby, then born again in Alkali Lake.

Oh, and Im not defending everything about this film. I just like hearing pissy baby Cyke fans cry....

[cookiva]

agreed. it has to be cyclops to redeem jean.

And how do you know that he doesnt? All Im saying is that every point that someone shows to prove his death, there is one to show that he lives.

[tonytr1687]

It does make sense, if you have a brain. She was born as a baby, then born again in Alkali Lake.

Oh, and Im not defending everything about this film. I just like hearing pissy baby Cyke fans cry....

Her being born two times is completely different from dying two times. Her being born twice would be redundant if we had actually seen her born for the first time as a baby...and then somehow when she was reborn she was born as a baby again. Being RESSURECTED is completely different from simply being born. She died and came back to life. That is not redundant. However seeing her die at the end of X2 and then seeing her die again at the end of X3...thats redundant b/c its TWO SCENES OF HER DYING.

[tonytr1687]

It does make sense, if you have a brain. She was born as a baby, then born again in Alkali Lake.

Oh, and Im not defending everything about this film. I just like hearing pissy baby Cyke fans cry....

Yeah and I'm not even a big Cyke fan, I just think killing him off the way they seem to be doing would taint the story and ruin his character. He hasnt had one movie to shine and by all rights this should have been it. I'm not asking for a Wolverine-sized role, just a medium-sized one that has him present throughout the movie and alive at the end so he can fulfill the pledge he made to Xavier in X1 and take over the school. Ties up everything perfectly and establishes a great sense of continuity.

[X-Maniac]

None of us truly knows how they will resolve the Jean/Scott situation or the Phoenix situation.

One thing is for sure - what happened in the comics will not happen in the space of one movie. In the movie Jean became Phoenix, was defeated by Xavier, they were all transported to the moon where she became Phoenix again and - realising what a threat she was - she killed herself. Scott left the X-Men and met Madelyne Pryor, a clone of Jean created by Sinister. Years later, it was revealed that the real Jean hadn't BECOME Phoenix, but had been REPLACED by Phoenix, and the real Jean was in a cocoon at the bottom of the bay, where she was rescued and reunited with Scott, who left his current girlfriend to get back with her and form X-Factor. Then the story was re-written when it was established that Jean and Phoenix were one, and that Jean was always meant to wield the Phoenix force. Jean died again when Magneto fried her with a giant electromagnetic pulse, pouring the planet's electomagnetic energies into her. (Much earlier on, he had also defeated her when her powers went on the blink, allowing him chance to drain off her cosmic lifeforce with an electromagnetic bottle effect)

None of that is likely to happen, and there is no way ALL of it could happen. The movies have established a different continuity that is workable within a movie timeframe and for a movie audience, and it also creates variety and surprises for fans.

I wouldn't want to see Jean die again, I would want to see her announce her departure and leave in a blinding firebird flash, much like when she left the earth as Dark Phoenix... maybe then she would take Cyclops with her, and when the flash had gone, both she and Scott would have disappeared.

[gap5ewl]

None of us truly knows how they will resolve the Jean/Scott situation or the Phoenix situation.

One thing is for sure - what happened in the comics will not happen in the space of one movie. In the movie Jean became Phoenix, was defeated by Xavier, they were all transported to the moon where she became Phoenix again and - realising what a threat she was - she killed herself. Scott left the X-Men and met Madelyne Pryor, a clone of Jean created by Sinister. Years later, it was revealed that the real Jean hadn't BECOME Phoenix, but had been REPLACED by Phoenix, and the real Jean was in a cocoon at the bottom of the bay, where she was rescued and reunited with Scott, who left his current girlfriend to get back with her and form X-Factor. Then the story was re-written when it was established that Jean and Phoenix were one, and that Jean was always meant to wield the Phoenix force. Jean died again when Magneto fried her with a giant electromagnetic pulse, pouring the planet's electomagnetic energies into her. (Much earlier on, he had also defeated her when her powers went on the blink, allowing him chance to drain off her cosmic lifeforce with an electromagnetic bottle effect)

None of that is likely to happen, and there is no way ALL of it could happen. The movies have established a different continuity that is workable within a movie timeframe and for a movie audience, and it also creates variety and surprises for fans.

I wouldn't want to see Jean die again, I would want to see her announce her departure and leave in a blinding firebird flash, much like when she left the earth as Dark Phoenix... maybe then she would take Cyclops with her, and when the flash had gone, both she and Scott would have disappeared.
Exactly. None fo us know what will happen. Yeah we have are suspicions and such but we really don't know.

[X-Maniac]

The question is -- we saw Cyclops and Jean grey face off in X2, we saw each reach out to the other, Scott regained control of his mind...

For Scott to do the same in X3, except for Jean to regain control, seems like a repeat of that.

Plus, in the comics, Cyclops did NOT play a part in defeating Phoenix. It was Xavier who did that, and if Xavier dies in the movie, the defeat of Phoenix must rest on other factors.

Maybe it will be Magneto, defeating her in her moments of weakness as in the comics - draining off her lifeforce in a magnetic bottle (a magnetic effect used to control plasma energy in physics); or killing her with a massive stroke by channelling the planet's magnetism into her body....

[The Batman]

Ok. You dont care if Cyclops dies or not. WE GET IT...

[cookiva]

Ok. You dont care if Cyclops dies or not. WE GET IT...

So you get upset when someone doesnt care/mind if he dies, but expect us to listen all the time when you whine that he might die? Friggen hypocrites...

[The Batman]

So you get upset when someone doesnt care/mind if he dies, but expect us to listen all the time when you whine that he might die? Friggen hypocrites...

No one asked you to listen, so if you dont like it, dont come to the thread, okay? Go talk about how wonderful halle's hair is or somethin'

[Specter313]

And since when do you run this forum, Bats?

[cookiva]

No one asked you to listen, so if you dont like it, dont come to the thread, okay? Go talk about how wonderful halle's hair is or somethin'

Ya, I actually dont like Halles hair, ok....

And I agree with Specs. When did you become the forum mod?

And no one asked you to listen to X Maniacs arguement. Sounds like someone is pissy....

[The Batman]

I dont run the forum, but what im saying is, no one asked you to "listen" to our complaints, so dont act as if you're forced to read this stuff

[cookiva]

I dont run the forum, but what im saying is, no one asked you to "listen" to our complaints, so dont act as if you're forced to read this stuff

No one asked you to listen to X Maniacs response....

[The Batman]

Ya, I actually dont like Halles hair, ok....

And I agree with Specs. When did you become the forum mod?

And no one asked you to listen to X Maniacs arguement. Sounds like someone is pissy....


Damn right no one asked me to listen to his argument, which is why I'm not saying he expects me to listen to it, am I?

[WorthyStevens]

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya...

[Kazaire]

*joins hands with WorthyStevens, and begins singing and swaying*
Kumbaya, my lord, Kumbaya

[Lightning Strykez!]

*joins with melodious peace-song*

[Lightning Strykez!]

No one asked you to listen, so if you dont like it, dont come to the thread, okay? Go talk about how wonderful halle's hair is or somethin'


Halle's hair is wonderful.:o Watcha tryin' ta say???



:D J/K

[JustABill]

-interups joyous singing with his own-

I CANNNNN FEELLLL IT CRAWLLINN IN THE AIRRRRRR TONIGHTTTTT.. OHHHHH LORDDDD.

[The Batman]

Halle's hair is wonderful.:o Watcha tryin' ta say???



:D J/K

its alright, i guess. I like the long hair more, but i guess it wasnt working filmwise....

[cookiva]

Halle's hair is wonderful.:o Watcha tryin' ta say???



:D J/K

I think its ok. I just her hair in some of the sketches from the X1 and X2 DVD special features the most. This is cool, and I know Ill love it come May 26th...

[X-Maniac]

Ok. You dont care if Cyclops dies or not. WE GET IT...

Uh, what? Did you just land from another world called Planet Stupid?

My response gave no indication over whether i cared about Cyclops' death.

I was pointing out that Cyclops does not play the vital part in the Phoenix saga that fans claim. So, the argument that he must be alive and present to win her back from the dark side with love does not stand up. Jean came back from the dark side in a mindbattle with Xavier in which the good side of her personality helped him to defeat her dark side. In the comics, Cyclops had the effect of tipping Jean over the edge into Phoenix mode - when she was Black Queen and saw him hurt, she snapped out of the Hellfire Club's mind control and went off into Dark Phoenix mode shortly afterwards; after she dark side had been restrained, and the X-Men were beamed to the moon, she saw him hurt and again the Phoenix side re-emerged. If anything, he brings out the Phoenix in her as the ultimate form of protection, defence and primal love. He doesn't seem to reach through the Phoenix, he brings it on!!!

As this is the final part of a trilogy before they go into three spin-offs (none of them likely to feature Cyclops, as they are centred on Wolverine, Magneto and X-students), there can realistically be some deaths. This is not a soap opera, it's one 2-hour movie, the end of a trilogy.

Fans of any character will not like the idea of their character dying, and although i wouldn't ideally want to see any core characters dying (including Cyclops), it's possible that he does IF we base our thinking on that initial leaked draft (which has now totally changed, apparently).

[xmen-rox!]

Uh, what? Did you just land from another world called Planet Stupid?

omg hahahahah that was so freaking hallarious!! LMAO!

[Lightning Strykez!]

omg hahahahah that was so freaking hallarious!! LMAO!


Actually, I didn't find it amusing at all. We need to play nice around here folks; and assign the proper amount of dignity to eachother in our posts.

What ever happened to just being good 'ol friendly? Can we not disagree without insulting one another's intelligence?

[larryfilmmaker]

Arguing and name calling on SHH... there's something new for ya. The fact is, this thread has been broken down to people over-analyzing still shots and trying to tell if outfits have been photoshopped or if pictures are new. There is no NEW news on Cyclops in X3. Personally, I think it looks like he's a goner. I have a small amount of faith he's not, but my gut tells me that since there's no real money to be made in keeping Summers alive, the studio isn't interested in doing so. Now, even though it looks like my favorite member (and arguably the most important) is gonna get the shaft again in the third movie, I'm not losing any sleep. Why? Because I'm a fan of the X-Men... not just any one incarnation of them. The movies don't stick to the morality tale of the X-Men that I loved, and most of the comics didn't either once they battled Dracula, traveled through time, traveled in space, etc. BUT... all the not-so-loyal versions can't keep me from being a fan of the TRUE X-Men stories (you know, the ones about being misfits, not just waiting for somebody to kidnap your friends). So if my favorite character dies in order to give some celebrities more screen time, I won't be TOO bummed... because the real X-Men story was laid out long before the marketing machine noticed it, and it will always be there to revisit. Long live Scott Summers... long, LONG after these movies are done with.

[CapBeerCino]

Simon was asked on the xverse why was Angel wearing Cyclops uniforms, his response was that he never heard of that and it doesn't make sense. That's one bad sign less...

[SlimDayspring]

Long live Scott Summers... long, LONG after these movies are done with.
Hear, hear! :cyclops:

[astonishingcyke]

I dunno between kinberg and rothman im starting to think scott has a bigger role than we are expecting... not huge mind you, but prolly x2 size... which if you ask me, after all the stuff we have been hearing, would not be a bad thing.

[The Guard]

"Surprises" for Cyclops doesn't strike me as "yes, he dies, and that's it".

[tonytr1687]

Uh, what? Did you just land from another world called Planet Stupid?

My response gave no indication over whether i cared about Cyclops' death.

I was pointing out that Cyclops does not play the vital part in the Phoenix saga that fans claim. So, the argument that he must be alive and present to win her back from the dark side with love does not stand up. Jean came back from the dark side in a mindbattle with Xavier in which the good side of her personality helped him to defeat her dark side. In the comics, Cyclops had the effect of tipping Jean over the edge into Phoenix mode - when she was Black Queen and saw him hurt, she snapped out of the Hellfire Club's mind control and went off into Dark Phoenix mode shortly afterwards; after she dark side had been restrained, and the X-Men were beamed to the moon, she saw him hurt and again the Phoenix side re-emerged. If anything, he brings out the Phoenix in her as the ultimate form of protection, defence and primal love. He doesn't seem to reach through the Phoenix, he brings it on!!!

As this is the final part of a trilogy before they go into three spin-offs (none of them likely to feature Cyclops, as they are centred on Wolverine, Magneto and X-students), there can realistically be some deaths. This is not a soap opera, it's one 2-hour movie, the end of a trilogy.

Fans of any character will not like the idea of their character dying, and although i wouldn't ideally want to see any core characters dying (including Cyclops), it's possible that he does IF we base our thinking on that initial leaked draft (which has now totally changed, apparently).

But you see heres the thing...he SHOULD play a vital part in the Phoenix saga. Why? Because out of all the characters he is the most emotionally connected to Jean. Because out of all the characters we've seen thus far in this franchise he has been shafted the most, even moreso than Storm (she had a much bigger part than him in X2). This is a story about Jean and her struggle with the dark side of her confused mind...and IMO they can have Jean THINK that Scott is dead and therefore cause her to become angry and whatnot, but in the end he should come to her and be the only person strong enough to break through that cloud of darkness surrounding her mind. She should see that he is alive and begin to think twice about what she is doing. If she softens up when she first sees him at Alkali Lake...then she should soften up when she sees him alive again at the end.

[PWN3R]

Maybe all the rumors are true, BUT he doesn't die, he goes to this "Planet Stupid" which everyone seems to be talking about. Then he heroically fights his way out, only to join his fellow teamates in the epic final battle. Man...I so should be a writer!

[Daniella]

But you see heres the thing...he SHOULD play a vital part in the Phoenix saga? Why? Because out of all the characters he is the most emotionally connected to Jean. Because out of all the characters we've seen thus far in this franchise he has been shafted the most, even moreso than Storm (she had a much bigger part than him in X2). This is a story about Jean and her struggle with the dark side of her confused mind...and IMO they can have Jean THINK that Scott is dead and therefore cause her to become angry and whatnot, but in the end he should come to her and be the only person strong enough to break through that cloud of darkness surrounding her mind. She should see that he is alive and begin to think twice about what she is doing. If she softens up when she first sees him at Alkali Lake...then she should soften up when she sees him alive again at the end.

Yes, that's what I think it will happen... good post !!! :up:

Dany

[X-Maniac]

But you see heres the thing...he SHOULD play a vital part in the Phoenix saga. Why? Because out of all the characters he is the most emotionally connected to Jean. Because out of all the characters we've seen thus far in this franchise he has been shafted the most, even moreso than Storm (she had a much bigger part than him in X2). This is a story about Jean and her struggle with the dark side of her confused mind...and IMO they can have Jean THINK that Scott is dead and therefore cause her to become angry and whatnot, but in the end he should come to her and be the only person strong enough to break through that cloud of darkness surrounding her mind. She should see that he is alive and begin to think twice about what she is doing. If she softens up when she first sees him at Alkali Lake...then she should soften up when she sees him alive again at the end.

The way I see it, it's feasible that Jean could snap out of Dark Phoenix mode if she saw other Brotherhood members (Magneto or any of the others) strike down Cyclops. That might then trigger a response in her to lash out at the Brotherhood and defend Cyclops (and thus the X-Men too). Just as seeing him hurt snapped her out of Black Queen mode in the comics (though she went into full-on Dark Phoenix mode soon after). I don't think a loving appeal from Cyke would be enough, and it wouldn't fit the story to have some schmaltzy plea ('But Jean, i love you, i love you with all my heart and soul' type of thing).

The main problem here is that some fans want Cyclops to live at any cost and are contriving any reason for him to have been given less screentime ('it's that nasty Halle' crap) and any reason to justify him staying alive.

The other problem is that all these anxieties are based on the early script leak we saw on AICN, and the content of the movie has dramatically changed since then.

The 'Why No Gambit?' train seems to have now left the station and the 'Please save Cyke' Anxiety Express has well and truly arrived.

[JustABill]

The 'Why No Gambit?' train seems to have now left the station and the 'Please save Cyke' Anxiety Express has well and truly arrived.

THANK YOU! This is so true.

[larryfilmmaker]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

[WalkingDead]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

Not that I don't believe you, but why the hell would he lead the Morlocks? Seriously...Callisto is there...*sigh*, got me.

[tonytr1687]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

You're not some crazy newb so I have reason to believe you're telling the truth. At least I hope you are.

[Specter313]

Not that I don't believe you, but why the hell would he lead the Morlocks? Seriously...Callisto is there...*sigh*, got me.

The Morlocks, after the initial confrontations, later came to be sometimes allies of the X-Men. So maybe some of them decide to turn on Magneto during the film.

[WalkingDead]

The Morlocks, after the initial confrontations, later came to be sometimes allies of the X-Men. So maybe some of them decide to turn on Magneto during the film.

Yeah I know that's the obvious answer...what I meant was what EXACTLY would make the Morlocks aid the X-Men against the Brotherhood?

[tonytr1687]

The way I see it, it's feasible that Jean could snap out of Dark Phoenix mode if she saw other Brotherhood members (Magneto or any of the others) strike down Cyclops. That might then trigger a response in her to lash out at the Brotherhood and defend Cyclops (and thus the X-Men too). Just as seeing him hurt snapped her out of Black Queen mode in the comics (though she went into full-on Dark Phoenix mode soon after). I don't think a loving appeal from Cyke would be enough, and it wouldn't fit the story to have some schmaltzy plea ('But Jean, i love you, i love you with all my heart and soul' type of thing).

The main problem here is that some fans want Cyclops to live at any cost and are contriving any reason for him to have been given less screentime ('it's that nasty Halle' crap) and any reason to justify him staying alive.

The other problem is that all these anxieties are based on the early script leak we saw on AICN, and the content of the movie has dramatically changed since then.

The 'Why No Gambit?' train seems to have now left the station and the 'Please save Cyke' Anxiety Express has well and truly arrived.

It doesnt have to be a schmaltzy plea...there are ways to make it work w/o coming across cheesy. And while I do think some rabid fans act like you just described, many of them are just coming from a place that I think everyone here should relate to. I mean for crying out loud if there was ONE character who deserved to get a bigger part in X3...it was Cyclops. He hasnt had much to do in the previous films and now X3 comes along with a story that very much involves his character b/c of his connection to Jean...and they might kill him off after 15 mins? Thats just ridiculous and IMO there's no apologetic excuse that can make it right. Even Marsden not being available doesnt pass b/c we know for a fact he was on break from SR for over a month. And get this...I'm not even a big Cyclops fan. Heck when X1 came out I used to argue with ppl about who really saved the day at the end, Wolverine or Cyclops? And I would always argue it was Wolverine b/c I was biased and liked him more. But now that we've had two, possibly three films of Cyke getting the shaft...I'm rallying behind the guy b/c he deserves his time in the limelight. I really feel having him around (doesnt have to be a lead character or anything just something more substantial) would enhance the emotional aspect of the story. Killing him off doesnt do anything for his character seeing as how we havn't had enough time to even really truly care about him yet.

[Specter313]

Yeah I know that's the obvious answer...what I meant was what EXACTLY would make the Morlocks aid the X-Men against the Brotherhood?

That's just what we'll have to wait and see when the movie comes out. :cool:

First idea that springs to mind is maybe Sentinels.

[CapBeerCino]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

:D I must say even though you don't post often, I love every single post you make! I'm sooooooo hoping that's correct! :up:

[WorthyStevens]

:D I must say even though you don't post often, I love every single post you make! I'm sooooooo hoping that's correct! :up:

Awesome new avy Cap. :up:

[lordofthenerds]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!
If that is true maybe Jean will become good at the end and bring him back to life. I thought that the Morlocks are with the brotherhood.

[lordofthenerds]

Awesome new avy Cap. :up:
It is funny. I actually own that mask.

[CapBeerCino]

Awesome new avy Cap. :up:

Why, thank you! :p
I'm waiting for a muse to do a new x-avvy...

[WalkingDead]

If that is true maybe Jean will become good at the end and bring him back to life. I thought that the Morlocks are with the brotherhood.

The Morlocks are part of the Brotherhood...that's why I'm guessing after the main Brotherhood villains are taken down, the Sentinels come in and everyone bands together. (as Specter313 said) I guess...I mean I don't know, but...ah nevermind.

[larryfilmmaker]

Remember the old stories... Callisto wants Cyclops to lead the morlocks... but he can't stay underground because his powers are sun-powered.

[WalkingDead]

Remember the old stories... Callisto wants Cyclops to lead the morlocks... but he can't stay underground because his powers are sun-powered.

Are you implying what I think you're implying?...
Holy Crap!

[Specter313]

Are you implying what I think you're implying?...
Holy Crap!

I don't get it. Is he trying to imply that Callisto stashes him away after his confrontation with Phoenix at Alkali Lake?

[CapBeerCino]

Remember the old stories... Callisto wants Cyclops to lead the morlocks... but he can't stay underground because his powers are sun-powered.

I remember that from the cartoon... was that in the comics as well?
('cause in the cartoon it was Wolverine who saved the day and Cyclops, and we don't need more of that...)

[WalkingDead]

I don't get it. Is he trying to imply that Callisto stashes him away after his confrontation with Phoenix at Alkali Lake?

I don't know...*shrugs*...AAAHHHHH my brain...
I have no clue how to arrange this movie anymore...I'm just gonna wait it out now...

[Specter313]

I remember that from the cartoon... was that in the comics as well?
('cause in the cartoon it was Wolverine who saved the day and Cyclops, and we don't need more of that...)

In the cartoon I think it was Cyclops, but in the comics, Callisto originally had the thing for Angel.

[The Batman]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

i dont think its fair to lie to people, buddy

[CapBeerCino]

You took the "Doubters... ATTACK!" too seriously Bats, I dont think he's lying.
His source on the other hand, is a different story.

[PWN3R]

i dont think its fair to lie to people, buddy


Yeah, my heart can only take so much, but would that not be so awesome?! :)

[The Batman]

sure it would...but it smacks of BS for some reason

[larryfilmmaker]

Well I'm not gonna stick around to argue but like I said, he's been spot-on every time so far. Any of my worries that Cyke gets killed are gone now, but I don't expect everybody else to believe it. Still, though, I have a hard time getting too into these movies... they just seem to put marketability before story and in my book, that's never cool. I remember that some people had a Cyclops short film in the works... wonder how that's coming. It was the same gang that made "Nightwing: A Night in Bludhaven". See... there are plenty of ways of telling an awesome Scott Summers story, we don't need Fox to be the standard bearer.

[pyromaniac]

i think I love you, Larry.

Not that I had any reason to worry really.

Just very cool hearing more of the influence of the comics.

[Storm22]

Well I'm not gonna stick around to argue but like I said, he's been spot-on every time so far. Any of my worries that Cyke gets killed are gone now, but I don't expect everybody else to believe it. Still, though, I have a hard time getting too into these movies... they just seem to put marketability before story and in my book, that's never cool. I remember that some people had a Cyclops short film in the works... wonder how that's coming. It was the same gang that made "Nightwing: A Night in Bludhaven". See... there are plenty of ways of telling an awesome Scott Summers story, we don't need Fox to be the standard bearer.

I REALLY want to believe you! Hopefully you're right.

[gap5ewl]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!
thats exactly what i was thinking!!! the epic battle it looks like the x-men will lose, then bam cyclops returns in full force and saves the day!

[xwolverine2]

thats exactly what i was thinking!!! the epic battle it looks like the x-men will lose, then bam cyclops returns in full force and saves the day!
i wouldnt mind:up:

[pyromaniac]

By the way Larry - what do you mean by marketability before story?

Fox certainly has been on neutral ground as far as the 'red herring' demise of Cyclops, the Gambit controversy and a few others are concerned.

In fact, it seems to me that their strategy has been relatively passive aggressive as of late...

[BBraddockLover]

ive been hoping for this all along yay

[larryfilmmaker]

By the way Larry - what do you mean by marketability before story?

Fox certainly has been on neutral ground as far as the 'red herring' demise of Cyclops, the Gambit controversy and a few others are concerned.

In fact, it seems to me that their strategy has been relatively passive aggressive as of late...

Okay... I'll bite... but I'm not getting into an argument so please, "Cookiva" and "The Guard"... restrain yourselves. What I meant by that statement was that it seems the films are banking off of the most popular X-Men character (guess who that is) but not necessarily the most interesting character(s). They based "TEAM" movies around one guy and his mysterious past. An X-Men fan doesn't do that to X-Men movies. A Wolverine fan or somebody looking to milk his popularity does. Now, he and Halle Berry (who openly complained about her LACK of a role in X1) are the new team leaders while everybody around them either dies, disappears, or turns to the bad team. It's absolutely pathetic that when it's announced "somebody will die", that everybody knows better than to think maybe it's Wolvie or Storm. The characters were never more important than anybody else in the X-Men universe, but because of marketability and celebrity status, they are completely untouchable and they've taken a team movie for themselves while they lead a team of younger kids, none of whom have the potential to steal the spotlight from them. Now, I'm sure I'll be jumped on here and that's fine... people have a right to their opinions... just keep it mature, and keep it clean. And please, for the love of god... refrain from using the annoying internet lingo like "meh", "ugh", "bleh", or "fanboy". I'm a fan of the X-Men TEAM... whether it's smiled upon or not.

[xwolverine2]

Okay... I'll bite... but I'm not getting into an argument so please, "Cookiva" and "The Guard"... restrain yourselves. What I meant by that statement was that it seems the films are banking off of the most popular X-Men character (guess who that is) but not necessarily the most interesting character(s). They based "TEAM" movies around one guy and his mysterious past. An X-Men fan doesn't do that to X-Men movies. A Wolverine fan or somebody looking to milk his popularity does. Now, he and Halle Berry (who openly complained about her LACK of a role in X1) are the new team leaders while everybody around them either dies, disappears, or turns to the bad team. It's absolutely pathetic that when it's announced "somebody will die", that everybody knows better than to think maybe it's Wolvie or Storm. The characters were never more important than anybody else in the X-Men universe, but because of marketability and celebrity status, they are completely untouchable and they've taken a team movie for themselves while they lead a team of younger kids, none of whom have the potential to steal the spotlight from them. Now, I'm sure I'll be jumped on here and that's fine... people have a right to their opinions... just keep it mature, and keep it clean. And please, for the love of god... refrain from using the annoying internet lingo like "meh", "ugh", "bleh", or "fanboy". I'm a fan of the X-Men TEAM... whether it's smiled upon or not.
mehugleh.....how could wolverine die?

[WalkingDead]

Okay... I'll bite... but I'm not getting into an argument so please, "Cookiva" and "The Guard"... restrain yourselves. What I meant by that statement was that it seems the films are banking off of the most popular X-Men character (guess who that is) but not necessarily the most interesting character(s). They based "TEAM" movies around one guy and his mysterious past. An X-Men fan doesn't do that to X-Men movies. A Wolverine fan or somebody looking to milk his popularity does. Now, he and Halle Berry (who openly complained about her LACK of a role in X1) are the new team leaders while everybody around them either dies, disappears, or turns to the bad team. It's absolutely pathetic that when it's announced "somebody will die", that everybody knows better than to think maybe it's Wolvie or Storm. The characters were never more important than anybody else in the X-Men universe, but because of marketability and celebrity status, they are completely untouchable and they've taken a team movie for themselves while they lead a team of younger kids, none of whom have the potential to steal the spotlight from them. Now, I'm sure I'll be jumped on here and that's fine... people have a right to their opinions... just keep it mature, and keep it clean. And please, for the love of god... refrain from using the annoying internet lingo like "meh", "ugh", "bleh", or "fanboy". I'm a fan of the X-Men TEAM... whether it's smiled upon or not.

While I agree with you to a point...but...I think they've expanded on the right characters for the most part...except Cyclops, but still to me, Cyclops may not have had much screentime in X1 but he FELT like Cyke to me almost completely. Sure they are marketing or will market the film with big names like Jackman and Berry and Stewart, but at the same time they've expanded the roles of many characters.

1. Storm now has a more expanded role, something I think she needed, maybe not too the point they've done (I can't say that truthfully, since I haven't seen the movie yet).
2. Colossus has a larger role, something he might not have ever been given, but he was (thankfully). It might not be that much bigger, but it's still a bigger role...even if it's just tossing Wolverine and smashing a few faces.
3. Kitty Pryde finally has been given an expanded role, so no more just straight cameos (another good thing).
4. From what I can tell Iceman, Rogue, and Pyro still have medium-chunk roles, which is good...they don't seem to be taking too much more of a backseat on this one.
5. And Magneto also still has a very predominate role. Something that this trilogy of films needs. He hasn't been cut way back on screentime from what I can tell.
6. Jean also has been given an expanded role. It might not be that much expanded or it might be the biggest role of the entire film (that's what I'm thinking), but it's still expanded to something that will probably be great.

The ONLY reason I personally never suspected them killing Wolverine was cause of his Spin-Off. I wouldn't care if they killed at all...so long as it was done well, with good writing and acting (which it probably would be).
As far as Storm goes, there was a rumor about her being de-powered and/or dying before the movie is over. I don't think it's true at all, but anyways.


So while, yes they will probably market thsi entire movie off of the Big Names, they have given expansion to many characters and there still lots more that we really don't know, so the expansion may be greater or lesser than we know.

[WalkingDead]

mehugleh.....how could wolverine die?

Magneto rips out his adamantium. No Jean there to use her powers to keep his body together...his healing factor can't keep up with the MASSIVE amount of damage, he goes into shock and goodbye Logan.

Also, Wolvie can heal what his body has...lets say a mutant (whoever you want) rips out Logan's liver or heart or lungs as whole organs. Logan can't create a new liver/heart/lungs...if it's gone completely he has no way to regenerate...meaning he WILL DIE from that injury since the organ has been removed completely from his body.

[xwolverine2]

Magneto rips out his adamantium. No Jean there to use her powers to keep his body together...his healing factor can't keep up with the MASSIVE amount of damage, he goes into shock and goodbye Logan.

Also, Wolvie can heal what his body has...lets say a mutant (whoever you want) rips out Logan's liver or heart or lungs as whole organs. Logan can't create a new liver/heart/lungs...if it's gone completely he has no way to regenerate...meaning he WILL DIE from that injury since the organ has been removed completely from his body.
the first one will never happen because why would they kill off wolverine so crapily?

the second one is WAY too violent for a pg-13 movie and is also a very crappy way to kill off hugh

[WalkingDead]

the first one will never happen because why would they kill off wolverine so crapily?

the second one is WAY too violent for a pg-13 movie and is also a very crappy way to kill off hugh

I NEVER said they'd be in the movie...just saying that's how you kill Wolverine...:)

[larryfilmmaker]

Wolverine isn't dying in any movies for a long time to come. He could drown. He was killed by a sentinel's blast in Days of Future Past. He's an awesome character, but he's not unstoppable just because I like him. How many ways Wolverine could die is a bit off topic though.

[pyromaniac]

Okay... I'll bite... but I'm not getting into an argument so please, "Cookiva" and "The Guard"... restrain yourselves. What I meant by that statement was that it seems the films are banking off of the most popular X-Men character (guess who that is) but not necessarily the most interesting character(s). They based "TEAM" movies around one guy and his mysterious past. An X-Men fan doesn't do that to X-Men movies. A Wolverine fan or somebody looking to milk his popularity does. Now, he and Halle Berry (who openly complained about her LACK of a role in X1) are the new team leaders while everybody around them either dies, disappears, or turns to the bad team. It's absolutely pathetic that when it's announced "somebody will die", that everybody knows better than to think maybe it's Wolvie or Storm. The characters were never more important than anybody else in the X-Men universe, but because of marketability and celebrity status, they are completely untouchable and they've taken a team movie for themselves while they lead a team of younger kids, none of whom have the potential to steal the spotlight from them. Now, I'm sure I'll be jumped on here and that's fine... people have a right to their opinions... just keep it mature, and keep it clean. And please, for the love of god... refrain from using the annoying internet lingo like "meh", "ugh", "bleh", or "fanboy". I'm a fan of the X-Men TEAM... whether it's smiled upon or not.

I wasn't fishing for an argument, if that's what you thought.

But marketing is just a campaign employed by studios and Hollywood to ensure maximum exposure as possible. My point was - how does it affect the story?

Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen are also bankable, as well as Kelsey Grammar, but however they use the marketing strategy has no direct bearing on these actors, nor it should on Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman, who are just arguably as popular.

Marketability therefore has nothing to do with the usage and capability of these characters.

[tonytr1687]

Okay... I'll bite... but I'm not getting into an argument so please, "Cookiva" and "The Guard"... restrain yourselves. What I meant by that statement was that it seems the films are banking off of the most popular X-Men character (guess who that is) but not necessarily the most interesting character(s). They based "TEAM" movies around one guy and his mysterious past. An X-Men fan doesn't do that to X-Men movies. A Wolverine fan or somebody looking to milk his popularity does. Now, he and Halle Berry (who openly complained about her LACK of a role in X1) are the new team leaders while everybody around them either dies, disappears, or turns to the bad team. It's absolutely pathetic that when it's announced "somebody will die", that everybody knows better than to think maybe it's Wolvie or Storm. The characters were never more important than anybody else in the X-Men universe, but because of marketability and celebrity status, they are completely untouchable and they've taken a team movie for themselves while they lead a team of younger kids, none of whom have the potential to steal the spotlight from them. Now, I'm sure I'll be jumped on here and that's fine... people have a right to their opinions... just keep it mature, and keep it clean. And please, for the love of god... refrain from using the annoying internet lingo like "meh", "ugh", "bleh", or "fanboy". I'm a fan of the X-Men TEAM... whether it's smiled upon or not.

Marketability before story? I cant really say anything about X3 but as far as the first two films are concerned I believe it is the exact opposite. I'm sure Wolverine's popularity was one of the reasons they made him the lead role in both films, but I dont think it was the main deciding factor. You say marketability before story? Well to be honest Wolverine served the story best in X1 and X2 and I believe thats why he was used to such an extent. He fit in very well considering he was a newcomer to the school and characters like that are a good way to give eyes and a voice to the audience. Him and Rogue were the characters we followed into this fantastic universe, and this is especially important when it comes to the general public who knows nothing about X-men.

If marketability was so important they would have over-stuffed both movies with too many mutants in order to make more toys. They would have had action take precedent over character development and story, which I can say with absolutely confidence was not the case. And if marketability was so important they would have put all the sexy actresses at the forefront, especially Halle.

[CapBeerCino]

Again from Simon (after making a joke about Cyke's fate): "stay calm. the cyclops thing was a joke. we've just taken a lot of flak for all the cyclops rumors, so i was kidding around..."

[Hulkster]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

Wow I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I said that story a long time ago on these forum(some Cyclops thread). I refer it to the X-men TAS when Cyke was kidnapped by the Morlocks and they want him to be their leader and I said that maybe Cyclops will lead them to battle the Brotherhood.

Now I'm really happy because there is a big chance that Cyke will have an important role. And I have a feeling that he will use his Full Optic Blast this time, because there's so many evil mutants. And the only thing I can think of right now to defeat them is a huge Full Optic Blast that can wipe out an army.:)

[sparky_parker]

that would be cool if he leads the morlocks

[SlimDayspring]

Now I'm really happy because there is a big chance that Cyke will have an important role. And I have a feeling that he will use his Full Optic Blast this time, because there's so many evil mutants. And the only thing I can think of right now to defeat them is a huge Full Optic Blast that can wipe out an army.:)
Even if he just takes out one of their big guns like Juggernaut, it'll be cool.

[astonishingcyke]

I completely agree slim, not one point in these movies has cyclops truly triumphed over a mutant villian. The only time one could argue would be when he blasted sabertooth out of the statue of libery, but that was not a testament to his skills. It just displayed the ingenuity of logan and jean.
He really needs to kick some but in this one, like slim said "Even if he just takes out one of their big guns like Juggernaut, it'll be cool."

A friggin men

[the_scream]

Don't forget he also takes Magneto down as well when Wolverine was struggling to save Rogue. Wolverine may have been doing all the action but it is Cyclops who ultimately saves the day against their most powerful foe.

Larryfilmmaker,

That's interesting news about Cyclops. I hate to be pessimistic (but I can't help it) but I really can't see him leading the Morlocks into battle. Does Jean kill him and he returns or is he kidnapped? Either way, it doesn't sound plausible. If he is kidnapped without his glasses, then what about his optic blast? If he is demolecurised at the start of the film, how does he remolecurise? Do the Morlocks bring him back to life? I know you don't have the answers but I just can't ignore the obvious - he will die - over an elaborate plot to keep him in the story.

It still makes sense to me: 1. Marsden was making Superman Returns. 2. The script said he dies. 3. The trailer almost spells it out. 4. We know there are at least two "significant deaths". 5. Berry wanted a more significant role (she takes over as leader). My gut tells me he's a goner but there is some hope I guess. :cyclops:

[TheWeatherMan]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!

I have reason to believe him based on an interesting array of posts from Simon Kinberg while he was responding to a post from the other writer, Zak Penn:


keep up the good work, penn! and damn you for everything you've done to cyclops and gambit! i know where to find your kids!



AGGHHHH! Tell me the Cyclops thing was a joke?!?



stay calm. the cyclops thing was a joke. we've just taken a lot of flak for all the cyclops rumors, so i was kidding around...


So I think we can expect a twist...

[pyromaniac]

It still makes sense to me: 1. Marsden was making Superman Returns. 2. The script said he dies. 3. The trailer almost spells it out. 4. We know there are at least two "significant deaths". 5. Berry wanted a more significant role (she takes over as leader). My gut tells me he's a goner but there is some hope I guess. :cyclops:

Read Kinberg's thread.

[Retroman]

I won't give sources, but I was just told that Cyclops will, in fact, live. You'll think he's dead... he'll return in epic fashion at the end, leading the morlocks AND the X-Men to victory. It's a source from LA I trust, and a source who's read every comic script before it was out and has NEVER been wrong. Hope that helps. Doubters... ATTACK!
I hope you're not pulling our legs with this.

I was thinking; Maybe the upcoming reshoots (March) are for scenes originally not involving Cyclops? Anyone else think so?

[the_scream]

pyromaniac,

I was the one who asked him about Berry. He confirmed my suspicions. By giving Berry a more significant role, the made her the X-Men leader which could only be done...by reducing the roles of Xavier and Scott. I don't think it was the sole reason and I don't think Berry demanded this alternative but she put the pressure on the writers to give her a better role. They could have done this a million different ways but it looks like they did it by making her the new X-Men leader. Period.

[Daniella]

pyromaniac,

I was the one who asked him about Berry. He confirmed my suspicions. By giving Berry a more significant role, the made her the X-Men leader which could only be done...by reducing the roles of Xavier and Scott. I don't think it was the sole reason and I don't think Berry demanded this alternative but she put the pressure on the writers to give her a better role. They could have done this a million different ways but it looks like they did it by making her the new X-Men leader. Period.

Yeah, But this doesn't mean anything about Cyke dying... it's mean that he will leave... and without Xavier around ( with Jean and all ), Storm has to be on command... what did you expect, Logan ??? I mean, he isn't exactly a modelrole for kids...

And I think that they reduced the roles of Xavier and Scott in the X - men, not in the movie... ;)

Dany

[D.P.]

Just thought I'd share...I apologize for the size...

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http://i1.tinypic.com/nbqigw.jpg

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I'm lovin' the visual effects...

[TheWeatherMan]

pyromaniac,

I was the one who asked him about Berry. He confirmed my suspicions. By giving Berry a more significant role, the made her the X-Men leader which could only be done...by reducing the roles of Xavier and Scott. I don't think it was the sole reason and I don't think Berry demanded this alternative but she put the pressure on the writers to give her a better role. They could have done this a million different ways but it looks like they did it by making her the new X-Men leader. Period.

That is not what Kinberg said at all...


Q. Did any of the previous X-Men (from X1 or X2) get a much more limited role in X3 because the big stars (Jackman and Berry) required larger roles if they were to return for X3? I ask this because Berry was quoted as saying (in 2004) she would only do another X-Men film if her role was expanded upon significantly. A lot of fans believe that this meant reducing screentime for Cyclops and Proff X to beef up Storm's role in X3. So, do the big names have that much influence over changing the script?

A. Halle didn’t want a bigger role or more screen-time. She wanted a better role and more to do with her screen-time. In other words, she was dissatisfied with the portrayal of her character in the first two films, and she wanted to make Storm more like the comic book – a leader, a fighter. We didn’t beef up the number of scenes or lines. We just focused on making her scenes and lines more dramatic. As for Hugh, he is the single most generous and ego-less actor I have ever met. It’s almost strange. I don’t think he has any idea that he’s a movie star. He never asked for a larger role or more lines. In fact, he was always campaigning to give OTHER characters more dialogue. Again, Wolverine and Storm do NOT have the most lines in the film.


Please stop blaming Storm/Halle for a decision that was made by Fox. James made a choice to work for "the enemy" in Fox's eyes so they made a call. I don't think its fair to punish a character for an actor's choice, but it was done. Just don't blame Halle for it because Simon confirmed that it obviously isn't her or Hugh's fault.

[Lightning Strykez!]

pyromaniac,

I was the one who asked him about Berry. He confirmed my suspicions. By giving Berry a more significant role, the made her the X-Men leader which could only be done...by reducing the roles of Xavier and Scott. I don't think it was the sole reason and I don't think Berry demanded this alternative but she put the pressure on the writers to give her a better role. They could have done this a million different ways but it looks like they did it by making her the new X-Men leader. Period.

I think you are reading what you want to see into Simon's response. I didn't get any of the above from his comment. He made it quite clear that she didn't demand more screen time or more lines--just better usage of the time she would have on screen.

Do I need to post his response here for all to see?

[TheWeatherMan]

I think you are reading what you want to see into Simon's response. I didn't get any of the above from his comment. He made it quite clear that she didn't demand more screen time or more lines--just better usage of the time she would have on screen.

Do I need to post his response here for all to see?

I got it covered (posted above) :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I got it covered (posted above) :up:


*smacks forehead*

Somehow I missed your post!

*yoda voice* Covered it you have!

[Storm22]

I hope you're not pulling our legs with this.

I was thinking; Maybe the upcoming reshoots (March) are for scenes originally not involving Cyclops? Anyone else think so?

It's certainly possible! I am feeling more hopefuland positive about Cyclops role in the film lately.

[snwboarder88]

why are they waiting for march to do reshoots? seems like that would be cutting it close, why not work on them this month? any word on what scenes they are re shooting? or maybe they are adding scenes with james/cyclops?

[Retroman]

It's certainly possible! I am feeling more hopefuland positive about Cyclops role in the film lately.
Thats the spirit.:up:

why are they waiting for march to do reshoots? seems like that would be cutting it close, why not work on them this month? any word on what scenes they are re shooting? or maybe they are adding scenes with james/cyclops?
Well i think they're waiting so long with re-shoots because the cast won't be available until then. Berry, Jackman, Famke and others are very busy with theatre productions, movies and/or tv shows.

Marsden is free until April. After that he'll be unavailable because of the shooting of Enchanted.

[CapBeerCino]

Thats the spirit.:up:


Retro, whenever I see your name in the 'last post' column of this thread my heart skip a beat. :)

[the_scream]

All I am saying is that Berry wanted her character to be more of a leader and a fighter. Well, Storm will be more of a leader when Cykes and Xavier are gone. That's all. Let me reiterate, I DO NOT blame Berry for the script. If I was an Oscar winner, I wouldn't be happy playing the storm character from X1 and 2 either. But, I DO think Cykes and Xavier were shafted so Berry would have a more significant role.

[Octoberist]

Like what I've said before, while I don't think Berry is to be FULLY blamed, she's no angel. Her status as an actress perhaps played a part (big or small), and people are downplaying it. It's Hollywood..it happens..

[Iceman]

why are they waiting for march to do reshoots? seems like that would be cutting it close, why not work on them this month? any word on what scenes they are re shooting? or maybe they are adding scenes with james/cyclops?

maybe so they'll know exactly what extra footage they need by March - replace anything that doesn't work well

[the_scream]

Exactly Octoberist. In my opinion, the one character who could have not returned could have been Storm. Comic fans seem to like her but the non-comic fans out there that I've encountered all think the Storm character in the movies is terrible - the weakest link. Most people are indifferent to Cyclops. Now, I like Storm in the comics and cartoon series but she is easily the most expendible in the movie franchise. She's a "nothing" character in the movies - not a full leader and has no significant relationship with any of the characters. At least Cyclops is important for the Logan - Jean - Scott triangle. He also has a relationship with X and Jean. If Storm wasn't present in the films, it wouldn't hurt the films. That's why it is so annoying they decided to expand on her role while limiting Cyclops and Xs. It reaks of contrivance to keep Halle Berry on board. :down

[PWN3R]

It reaks of contrivance to keep Halle Berry on board. :down

IMO I would prefer to see more Cykes, maybe even more of the other(Colossus) supporting characters, but keeping Halle was NOT a mistake. :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Exactly Octoberist. In my opinion, the one character who could have not returned could have been Storm. Comic fans seem to like her but the non-comic fans out there that I've encountered all think the Storm character in the movies is terrible - the weakest link. Most people are indifferent to Cyclops. Now, I like Storm in the comics and cartoon series but she is easily the most expendible in the movie franchise. She's a "nothing" character in the movies - not a full leader and has no significant relationship with any of the characters. At least Cyclops is important for the Logan - Jean - Scott triangle. He also has a relationship with X and Jean. If Storm wasn't present in the films, it wouldn't hurt the films. That's why it is so annoying they decided to expand on her role while limiting Cyclops and Xs. It reaks of contrivance to keep Halle Berry on board. :down

*sigh*

I can already tell that this is going to be a tired crutch this year for some. Three points:

1.) Storm's popularity easily eclipses that of Cyclops'. Period.

2.) The popularity of the actress that plays her also eclipses that of James Marsden (Cyclops).

3.) A considerable chunk of the fanbase goes to these films for one of the above 2 reasons. Storm is a minority character that appeals to an essential demographic for both comics and FOX studio.

Therefore, to eliminate Storm from the franchise would be just as much of a crime as it would to snip Cykes. But she is more of an essential than what you're giving credit for.

By the way, Storm had a supporting character role in the previous films. Question: Was it her fault that Scott was underused back in 1999 and 2002 as well? :rolleyes:

If not, why is X3 any different?

[Specter313]

All I am saying is that Berry wanted her character to be more of a leader and a fighter. Well, Storm will be more of a leader when Cykes and Xavier are gone. That's all. Let me reiterate, I DO NOT blame Berry for the script. If I was an Oscar winner, I wouldn't be happy playing the storm character from X1 and 2 either. But, I DO think Cykes and Xavier were shafted so Berry would have a more significant role.

And what world are you living in and what comics are you reading where there is only one leader within the X-Men?

[PhePhe112]

with the way cykes face seems in those pics above, it makes me wonder if jean is making him take his glasses off and he's trying to fight it! has anyone thought this?


EDIT! I guess then he could just close his eyes, unless she is not letting him do that either? also, i don't know why she would make him do it....but it was just a thought!

[Lightning Strykez!]

And what world are you living in and what comics are you reading where there is only one leader within the X-Men?

Exactly!

Has it escaped the memories of some here that Storm has led the X-Men for more than 2 decades?

[the_scream]

1.) Storm's popularity easily eclipses that of Cyclops'. Period.

I never said that it didn't. What I did say was that, in my experience, people who are unfamiliar with the comicbook universe think Halle is the weakest link in the chain. She was awful in X1 and almost pointless in X2. Again, this is MY experience. I don't claim it reflects everyone's.


2.) The popularity of the actress that plays her also eclipses that of James Marsden (Cyclops).

So what? She is a pretty bad actress. She only became popular when she took her top off in Swordfish. Every role she's been in has been terrible including Monster's Ball. Again, the general consensus I've seen is that people don't think Halle Berry is much of an actress. People are indifferent towards Marsden.

3.) A considerable chunk of the fanbase goes to these films for one of the above 2 reasons. Storm is a minority character that appeals to an essential demographic for both comics and FOX studio.

I think you overestimate the number of fans who make up the X-Men audience. I am the only person who has read the comics and is familiar with Storm in my group of friends and family. I know at least 15 people who have seen the movies and have no idea who Storm is. This might not be everyone's experience but don't delude yourself into thinking Storm is universally known as Superman, Batman or Spiderman. Nobody besides comic fans knew about Storm until X-Men was released.

Therefore, to eliminate Storm from the franchise would be just as much of a crime as it would to snip Cykes. But she is more of an essential than what you're giving credit for.

I don't think she should be eliminated. I just feel her character in the MOVIES so far has been 1. Inconsistent. 2. Weak. 3. Inconsequential to the plot. 4. Played by the worst performer of the cast. Therefore if ONE person had to go, it would be her. I would prefer to see the goddess from the comics who is powerful and has presence but we haven't seen any of this so far in the movies.

By the way, Storm had a supporting character role in the previous films. Question: Was it her fault that Scott was underused back in 1999 and 2002 as well? :rolleyes:

I do think Singer underused Marsden and increased Halle's role after she won that Oscar. She was also right up next to Wolverine in all the advertisments.

But don't you think the original X-Men leader - Cyclops - deserves more of a role? He's been around longer than Storm in the comics by decades. Technically, Venom appears to be more popular than Spiderman these days. Doesn't mean they just made Venom the star over Spidey in those films.

[tonytr1687]

Exactly Octoberist. In my opinion, the one character who could have not returned could have been Storm. Comic fans seem to like her but the non-comic fans out there that I've encountered all think the Storm character in the movies is terrible - the weakest link. Most people are indifferent to Cyclops. Now, I like Storm in the comics and cartoon series but she is easily the most expendible in the movie franchise. She's a "nothing" character in the movies - not a full leader and has no significant relationship with any of the characters. At least Cyclops is important for the Logan - Jean - Scott triangle. He also has a relationship with X and Jean. If Storm wasn't present in the films, it wouldn't hurt the films. That's why it is so annoying they decided to expand on her role while limiting Cyclops and Xs. It reaks of contrivance to keep Halle Berry on board. :down

I somewhat agree. While I think Storm is the weakest link as far as personality and character goes, it wasn't a mistake to bring Storm back and especially not a mistake to bring Halle back since I would hate for them recast in this franchise. I agree though that she doesnt have any significant relationships with anyone, and the one character she did have an interesting relationship with (Nightcrawler) isnt returning. I like her powers and would like some kind of mother/daughter relationship with Rogue or Kitty, but other than that there's not much to her. Others have pointed out things in the comics that make her more interesting than she is in the movies but IMO none of those traits could be expressed visually or in character interaction w/o seeming forced. Her character development in the comics is very abstract and therefore hard to transfer to film. The thing about her being a leader in Cyke's absence is...Cyke shouldnt be absent! He should be the leader! Anyway I dont think Storm should have been scrapped for X3 but if it wasnt for Cyke's apparent death in X3 I'd say it'd be okay if she left for Africa in the wake of Xavier's demise. This way they can make room for more new characters in X4. If it was my way Cyke and Jean would live and stay with the team and Wolverine and Storm would leave. But the two characters' popularity and the studio's greedy fingers will keep that from ever happening.

[aaron]

I cant believe im saying this, but you guys are chilidish

[taintedFB]

Cheer up, guys.

Geez, reading this thread is like being at a funeral!

AFter hearing what the writers are saying on the boards, I am confident that Cyke's role will be more important and bigger than we think. And I think that it all revolves around the surprise evryone keeps talking about. At this point, I doubt anyone would call killing him a surprise... so I think the real surprise is that He lives and finally shines in this one.

I have no doubt that his role will be smaller than it should be (scheduling) but I think it will be a little more than X2 with much MORE to do!

Also, look ahead to X4. With Halle probably moving on, and Xavier dead, Cyclops will lead the younger team of Kitty, Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, and dare we hope...GAMBIT?

Of all the actors, he is most likely and willing to continue the franchise providing much needed continuity between the trilogies... And from all accounts the actor is very well liked and loads of fun to work with.

SO I'M FEELING GOOD AND SO SHOULD ALL OF YOU!!!

[the_scream]

I like your positive post Tainted. Thanks. :) :up:

[tonytr1687]

Cheer up, guys.

Geez, reading this thread is like being at a funeral!

AFter hearing what the writers are saying on the boards, I am confident that Cyke's role will be more important and bigger than we think. And I think that it all revolves around the surprise evryone keeps talking about. At this point, I doubt anyone would call killing him a surprise... so I think the real surprise is that He lives and finally shines in this one.

I have no doubt that his role will be smaller than it should be (scheduling) but I think it will be a little more than X2 with much MORE to do!

Also, look ahead to X4. With Halle probably moving on, and Xavier dead, Cyclops will lead the younger team of Kitty, Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, and dare we hope...GAMBIT?

Of all the actors, he is most likely and willing to continue the franchise providing much needed continuity between the trilogies... And from all accounts the actor is very well liked and loads of fun to work with.

SO I'M FEELING GOOD AND SO SHOULD ALL OF YOU!!!

This is why I think Cyke should live and be the one to take over from Xavier. Not only does it establish great continuity b/c of his talk with Xavier in X1, but it makes sense b/c I really dont see Hugh or Halle returning after this one as they've said they would like to move on. Plus out of all the actors Marsden would probably be the most willing to return since he's not exactly an in-demand actor and he's expressed a lot of joy about being in the franchise.

Lemme tell you tho, if the surprise Kinberg mentioned is merely him dying...I will forever despise that man.

[WorthyStevens]

This is why I think Cyke should live and be the one to take over from Xavier. Not only does it establish great continuity b/c of his talk with Xavier in X1, but it makes sense b/c I really dont see Hugh or Halle returning after this one as they've said they would like to move on. Plus out of all the actors Marsden would probably be the most willing to return since he's not exactly an in-demand actor and he's expressed a lot of joy about being in the franchise.

Lemme tell you tho, if the surprise Kinberg mentioned is merely him dying...I will forever despise that man.

If Kinberg and Penn are as big a fan of X-Men as they say they are, then they know better not to kill him off just like that.