Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[ntcrawler]

Despite my many anti-Wolverine rants, when handled correctly, he can bring something to a story, and his relationship with Cyclops in the first two movies was fun at times. Had they given Cyke more respect and not screwed him over in X3, they could have really done something with it.


:up: I agree. they were developing sort-of a grudging friendship / comraderie. There were insults and punches being thrown, but if it was REALLY important, they would stand up for each other. Unfortunately, X3 ended up with Scott giving Wolverine the finger and we never got to see how things COULD have turned out. Lots of questions ended up being asked but never answered, and X3 made most of those questions a moot point.

I don't hate Wolverine. I respect the guy and recognize how useful he is. When the crap goes down it is nice to have him on your team. But like all the other characters, he has a specific place he needs to fill without trying to spill over and displace everyone else. And that's where the movies, especially X3 fail. In addition, I still think it is silly to make a Wolverine spinoff when these films were essentially all about him anyways. What new insight are we going to gain about the character that will leave us breathless? How much more would we care to know about him at this point? Seems it's the other characters who deserve a spinoff more at this point, to at least make up for the lack of their own screen time and story arcs. Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Xavier, Angel, Beast! They could benefit more from spinoffs or prequels than Wolverine ever could.

One final bit that I agree with what's written above is the consequences of removing Cyclops from the storyline. Not only does that cause a serious imbalance in the equation and give Wolverine a direct, unchallenged path towards Jean and allow him to take over Cyclops' role, but if things really turn out the way they did, that Jean killed Cyclops in cold blood the way we are lead to believe, then there really is no hope or chance for salvation for Jean. She effectively negated one of her main reasons for wanting to live and come to grips with herself, and therefore death is really the only way out. In effect becoming a tragic story that shouldn't have happened in the first place, because of the improbable and ridiculous foundation that it is built upon in the first place.




The worst thing about X3 is not how bad it was, but how great it COULD have been.

That's the other thing, isn't it? They really had a good thing going here, but chose the cheap and sloppy way to make the third movie and earn a quick buck at the box office. We KNOW they could have done a better job. It wouldn't have been that hard to tweak the dialogue a bit here and there, polish things a little, and adjust it to give the characters more development and depth. certainly wouldn't require a stretch of the imagination or an increase in budget to show the characters actually concerned about Cyclops' demise or whereabouts, or show actual concern for his depression and pain, and to actually try to reach out to Jean, or be concerned about Storm's fears and burdens. Special effects and stunts are expensive, but good dialogue is both inexpensive yet priceless...

[CapBeerCino]

certainly wouldn't require a stretch of the imagination or an increase in budget to show the characters actually concerned about Cyclops' demise or whereabouts, or show actual concern for his depression and pain, and to actually try to reach out to Jean, or be concerned about Storm's fears and burdens. Special effects and stunts are expensive, but good dialogue is both inexpensive yet priceless...

But then the movie will run longer than 103 mins and they wont be able to screen it 100 times a day to make $430 worldwide.

[ntcrawler]

But then the movie will run longer than 103 mins and they wont be able to screen it 100 times a day to make $430 worldwide.

Quite right, CCC, quite right. What if they just increased the playback speed to make up for extra footage? But not as fast as those Marvel comic pages flipping at the beginning of course :D

[CapBeerCino]

Edit.

[xii22_loop]

Looking at those pictures at the top of this page, they did some good cyclops casting, Marsden and comic book cyclops both got their fair share of chest hair. Wolverine has some competition

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[SCOTT&JEAN]

Jimmy at the Step Up Los Angeles Premiere - August 7th

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[Bastila]

Oh those pictures are nice, his does have a great smile.

[Kurosawa]

It's amazing to me just how much he looks like the comics version of Cyclops. He really was perfectly cast.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Marsden looks relaxed.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Marsden looks relaxed.
And younger that what he looked like in the other resent photos.

[ntcrawler]

It's amazing to me just how much he looks like the comics version of Cyclops. He really was perfectly cast.

Yeah, isnit it great? But I also understand that some of the artists tweaked the artwork of the comics since the first X movie came out to better match the cast members. It's especially evident in Endsong. there's a couple shots of Jean which are literally an animated version of Famke. I can even point out the live-action pictures that they traced the artwork from.

Good stuff!

[larryfilmmaker]

actually that version of Cyclops was created in The Ultimates, which were loosely based on the movies so if Cyke looks like Marsden... well that's why

[DarknessOfDeath]

-sighs- its too bad they wasted a gifted man to play the leader called Cyclops who has been around much longer since X-Men was created in 1964. what a shame... he was so beautiful. -sniffles- and they turn their DAMN backs on him! Especially in the last two. He deserved more than what he was given to do...

I'm gonna miss James as Scott Summers/Cyclops. :(

[ntcrawler]

^^, hey don't fret. Even 10, 15 years from now he'd still have the right look and build to play a more mature but still recognizeable Cyclops. I think those comics got him hooked. he'll be back!

[Mdizzle]

he is a lovely man. hahha. those cheekbones, hehe. He is perfectly how I would have imagine Cyke

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post.:( The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post.:( The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post.:( The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

^^, hey don't fret. Even 10, 15 years from now he'd still have the right look and build to play a more mature but still recognizeable Cyclops. I think those comics got him hooked. he'll be back!

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.:)

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.:(

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.

[Avalanche]

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.:)

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.:(

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.
I wouldn't worry. Both Cyclops and Jean are dead. They won't be coming back.

[Hulkster]

Yes Jean is dead, but they didn't show Cyke die so there is still hope, don't worry man.;)

[CapBeerCino]

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.:)



Yep, he is. and he sounds really eager to return as Cyke, so maybe we'll see him once more. :up:

[The Original Bamfer]

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'Just thought it was appropriate here. :)

[Mdizzle]

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.:)

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.:(

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.

I can't see Rachel McAdams as Jean, she seems too perky or something. Anne Hathaway is close enough to look i can see, her hair or watever. I don't know, age-wise tho, Famke is much older and seems more mature-looking.

[Mdizzle]

Guys don't really change too too much in their look I don't think...so even in a couple of years if they brought back Cyke I think Marsden would still be an appropriate choice.

[Bastila]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5434/jeancyle2baf2markca0.jpg

'Just thought it was appropriate here. :)

that is sooooo much better then it was , well done i love it.

[ntcrawler]

Guys don't really change too too much in their look I don't think...so even in a couple of years if they brought back Cyke I think Marsden would still be an appropriate choice.

Yeah, exactly! You'd just end up with an older, more mature looking Cyclops like in some of the later issues such as Endsong.

[Avalanche]

Yes Jean is dead, but they didn't show Cyke die so there is still hope, don't worry man.;)
But the Professor sensed it, and Jean later recalled it. He died off-screen because they wanted to show the Phoenix at her full potential at the mid point of the film. Showing it too early on would have ruined the build up. He didn't die off-screen to save the character. Penn and Kinberg have both stated he is dead.

[CapBeerCino]

Penn and Kinberg have both stated he is dead.

:rolleyes:

Well in that case it must be set in stone. They had no control over their own script, much less over the next x-movie/ spin-off/ whatever.

But it's good having you back with us Avalanche. No one tried stirring up argument in this thread for a while now. :o

[triplefive]

Sorry if I missed anyone talking about this, but has anyone seen 10th and Wolf yet?

[ntcrawler]

But the Professor sensed it, and Jean later recalled it. He died off-screen because they wanted to show the Phoenix at her full potential at the mid point of the film. Showing it too early on would have ruined the build up. He didn't die off-screen to save the character. Penn and Kinberg have both stated he is dead.

Professor did not sense Scott die but that something was wrong. Jean did not openly admit to killing him. Her recollections were based on a cosfusing set of images flashing by and due to Logan asking what happened to him. Later on Xavier pushes that thought into her at the Grey house without any explanation of how he reached that conclusion. If they wanted Scott to die onscreen, there are plenty of ways to show it. I'm sorry but the excuse that they did not want to spoil the special effects for the audience too early is just plain ridiculous. Either you show it, or you don't. As for Penn and Kinberg, they can huff and puff all they want about Scott being dead but the end result is not what we got. Ratner and Marsden both admitted that Scott's final fate was not shown and kept vague on purpose to keep things open and to make it possible for Cyclops to return. And that's the final verdict, the one that actually carries the weight. Not a writer's written fantasy, but the actual end result that was presented in the film.

[Hulkster]

Great answer ntcrawler.:) :up:

[ntcrawler]

Great answer ntcrawler.:) :up:

He'll be back my friend. We'll see Slym again. Don't let anyone discourage you :)

[Hulkster]

Thanks ntcrawler.:)

[Radagast_Prime]

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'Just thought it was appropriate here. :)

:up: Well done.

[The Original Bamfer]

Question 11: There has been an obvious concern among fans of Cyclops after rumors spread about his possible death. How do you react to the fans worries and these rumors? Do you have any words for the concerned? (Asked by: Original Bamfer)

A: As for rumors about Cyclops' death in the film, that would be a spoiler and I cannot comment on that. You'll just have to wait to see the movie. I get this question a lot, and death is relative in the X-Men universe.

Nothing is forever in the Marvel world. At the end of the last X-Men, from what I saw, Jean Grey had died. But she happened to be back on the set on the first day of shooting "X-Men: The Last Stand", so you never know...

This was from XMF's interview conducted before X3 came out... I think this may ease the "is he really dead?" questions that we Cyclops Fans have. :up:

[triplefive]

Bamfer, that's awesome! Well done, indeed.

ETA: meant the manip

[ntcrawler]

This was from XMF's interview conducted before X3 came out... I think this may ease the "is he really dead?" questions that we Cyclops Fans have. :up:

Yeah! Take THAT, Penn and Kinberg!

[Avalanche]

:rolleyes:

Well in that case it must be set in stone. They had no control over their own script, much less over the next x-movie/ spin-off/ whatever.

But it's good having you back with us Avalanche. No one tried stirring up argument in this thread for a while now. :o
I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just disagreeing with the general feel in this thread that Cyclops is alive and well. There was nothing to suggest this was the case, whilst there was a whole lot to suggest that he was dead.

Aside from that, FOX have never treated Cyclops with much respect. Why do the fans think this will suddenly change?

[Avalanche]

Professor did not sense Scott die but that something was wrong. Jean did not openly admit to killing him. Her recollections were based on a cosfusing set of images flashing by and due to Logan asking what happened to him.
She stated something along the lines of 'kill me, before I kill someone else'. Cyclops was the only person present since her rise. We can presume she was refering to him.

The shattering of Cyclop's glasses was symbolic as to what happened to Cyclops.

Later on Xavier pushes that thought into her at the Grey house without any explanation of how he reached that conclusion.
Well, Wolverine claimed 'I think she killed Scott', which is a starting point for drawing a conclusion I should think, combined with the fact the Professor felt something awful.

I'm sorry but the excuse that they did not want to spoil the special effects for the audience too early is just plain ridiculous. Either you show it, or you don't.
It isn't plain ridiculous. Certain effects are saved for impact. Films want a central point in the movie that wows. Had we seen Jean go all Phoenix on Cyclops early on, the central sequence with Xavier would have lost some of its impact.

As for Penn and Kinberg, they can huff and puff all they want about Scott being dead but the end result is not what we got. Ratner and Marsden both admitted that Scott's final fate was not shown and kept vague on purpose to keep things open and to make it possible for Cyclops to return. And that's the final verdict, the one that actually carries the weight. Not a writer's written fantasy, but the actual end result that was presented in the film.
The final verdict? I don't know about you, but I saw a gravestone with Scott's name on. That seemed pretty final verdict to me too.

I'm not saying it isn't possible to bring Scott back in a future movie. I'm sure some ridiculously contrived reasoning can be brought up discussing how everything that we thought happened in the movie didn't really happen. But then, that would be riciculously contrived. To have Cyclops escape death after both the Professor and Jean have escaped it once before seems like one escaped death too many.

I realise though, as Cyclops fans, you need to keep some faint hope that he'll be present in a future movie, so it is a little pointless discussing this with you. :confused:

[LastSunrise1981]

She stated something along the lines of 'kill me, before I kill someone else'. Cyclops was the only person present since her rise. We can presume she was refering to him.

The shattering of Cyclop's glasses was symbolic as to what happened to Cyclops.


Well, Wolverine claimed 'I think she killed Scott', which is a starting point for drawing a conclusion I should think, combined with the fact the Professor felt something awful.


It isn't plain ridiculous. Certain effects are saved for impact. Films want a central point in the movie that wows. Had we seen Jean go all Phoenix on Cyclops early on, the central sequence with Xavier would have lost some of its impact.


The final verdict? I don't know about you, but I saw a gravestone with Scott's name on. That seemed pretty final verdict to me too.

I'm not saying it isn't possible to bring Scott back in a future movie. I'm sure some ridiculously contrived reasoning can be brought up discussing how everything that we thought happened in the movie didn't really happen. But then, that would be riciculously contrived. To have Cyclops escape death after both the Professor and Jean have escaped it once before seems like one escaped death too many.

I realise though, as Cyclops fans, you need to keep some faint hope that he'll be present in a future movie, so it is a little pointless discussing this with you. :confused:

Just because a gravestone is there doesn't mean the person is dead either.

Believe it or not some tombs are used for a memorial of some sort, even when the body isn't found. In this case Marsden himself said that they left it open for him to return, so guess what? I think his word count a lot more than your opinion will count towards.

The only thing that is really stupid is that they went through great lengths to show Xavier dying, and yet, he gets to come back in the end? Yet Cyclops fate is never determined nor is it shown, and he doesn't get an alternate ending?

[The Original Bamfer]

Cyclops deserved a nod at the ending... but some of the "deaths" deserve validation... at least in this movie. I would have rather Cyke had the extra scene explaining he's alive - and just keep Xavier dead. Like the Cure, though, these deaths can't be a waste. And they would be if each character that died came back in the same movie.

It was the more obvious option to show Xavier because, well, what he did was foreshadowed and within his powers. Scott living would take a bit more of an explanation. I do think it'd extremely acceptable for them to explain his survival in X4 or a Spin-Off. I think that's their plan.

[ntcrawler]

I realise though, as Cyclops fans, you need to keep some faint hope that he'll be present in a future movie, so it is a little pointless discussing this with you. :confused:

If Cyclops had actually been shown to croak, and his remains tossed into a casket and buried, then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. People would still be angry, but then people like you would get to have the final, conslusive word.

But the fact that we never do see what happens to him, that there isn't any evidence as to what happened to him, the fact that people ASSUME he's dead because... well... Jean obviously disintegrated him, and the fact that his grave is empty, indicates that his fate is not final.

Then again, even seeing a body explode isn't conclusive evidence that the person is dead and will stay dead, as Xavier demonstrated. So what's so cheesy about showing that Cyclops was blasted into the woods and after groping blindly trying to find his way out, was picked up by hikers or park service personnel?


And I consider the shattering of Cyclops' glasses to be symbolic of Jean screaming "NO!!!" when it's suggested that she may have killed him. Especially when the images she sees flashing in her scrambled memory are inconclusive and just as vague. She was definitely a few tacos short of a family pack at that point. Definitely not the right state of mind you want a person to be in in order to rationally discuss with and recall what had happened.

[The Original Bamfer]

She was definitely a few tacos short of a family pack at that point.

:up:

[Avalanche]

Like I say, I'm not saying Cyclops won't be back for a furture movie. The fact we never actually see him die does leave it open.

I do think however that X3 intends Cyclops as dead. A later movie might come and change that, but X3 still intends him dead. Given the lack of love FOX have shown Cyclops in the past, I see no reason for them to go out on a limb to explain how he didn't really die in X3 after all etc. They'll likely leave him dead.

[ntcrawler]

Like I say, I'm not saying Cyclops won't be back for a furture movie. The fact we never actually see him die does leave it open.


I understand. And I agree.

I do think however that X3 intends Cyclops as dead. A later movie might come and change that, but X3 still intends him dead.

Oh I agree with that. If FOX had the opportunity to show Cyclops' death being the result of a random drive-by shooting or the poor victim of a terrible highway accident on his motorcycle, they would have done so too.

My point was that, Penn and Kinberg can scream all they want, they can throw a tantrum in public and bang trash can lids together screaming "CYCLOPS IS DEAD! CYCLOPS IS DEAD" but that's not clearly what was shown in the movie. It was purposely done vaguely enough so that they can't claim to be righteous or have the final word on the matter.

[Bishop2]

Like I say, I'm not saying Cyclops won't be back for a furture movie. The fact we never actually see him die does leave it open.

I do think however that X3 intends Cyclops as dead. A later movie might come and change that, but X3 still intends him dead.

That seems clear to me as well. However, everything we've read indicates that they DID render the scene of him disintegrating and then... didn't use the effect in the movie. Now, maybe there are many reasons for that - maybe they just thought it looked lame - but maybe they did indeed want to leave a door open for bringing him back, just in case that would one day prove advantageous to them.

[CapBeerCino]

Penn and Kinberg can scream all they want, they can throw a tantrum in public and bang trash can lids together screaming "CYCLOPS IS DEAD! CYCLOPS IS DEAD"

Now that would be a nice DVD extra :D

[Verlin]

Ugh, makes me sick:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000HEW0LQ.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V60211292_.jpg

[MaleRogue]

AAAH again a ****ty cover I HATE ALL COVER
I want Rogue, Bobby, Kitty, Colossus and Scott on it....
No Mystique Angel or prof X

[larryfilmmaker]

that cover totally proves that in Hollywood (Fox more than anybody), the bigger name stars get the bigger roles

[ntcrawler]

^^^ All these cover designs seem to be just Photoshop variations of the same stock cast images. Most of the fan designs I've seen posted here are alot more original and interesting than what Hollywood is putting out

[Mdizzle]

Was definitely hoping to see some of the youngins on the cover somehow.

[Aiden]

ha!

*imagines FOX's DVD designing room*

Tom Rothman - "Yeah, can we get those pictures of Halle and Hugh any bigger?"

FOX employee - "But sir. What about Famke and Sir Ian?"

TR - "Who?"

FE - "Y'know. The stars of the movie"

TR - "Oh. Metal-man and that bird chick? Try to fit them in at the back. Make sure they are nowhere near Halle and Hugh though."

:(

[DarknessOfDeath]

ha!

*imagines FOX's DVD designing room*

Tom Rothman - "Yeah, can we get those pictures of Halle and Hugh any bigger?"

FOX employee - "But sir. What about Famke and Sir Ian?"

TR - "Who?"

FE - "Y'know. The stars of the movie"

TR - "Oh. Metal-man and that bird chick? Try to fit them in at the back. Make sure they are nowhere near Halle and Hugh though."

:(

-blasts Rothman out of the DVD designing room- Take that. I'm taking over as we speak. Change of plans. Scrap Halle and replace her with Famke and move Hugh behind James...but bring Ian closer towards the front near Famke and same with James.



Oh and we've shot some additional scenes which Fox here didn't have the time to do because they rushed it. -glares at Rothman-

Oh by the way... Rothman? Your fired. Ya hear? You suck.
...


:mad:

[ntcrawler]

That seems clear to me as well. However, everything we've read indicates that they DID render the scene of him disintegrating and then... didn't use the effect in the movie. Now, maybe there are many reasons for that - maybe they just thought it looked lame - but maybe they did indeed want to leave a door open for bringing him back, just in case that would one day prove advantageous to them.

You're of course one of those people who took advantage of the door they closed and didn't lock. :)

I've been reading your post X3 fanfic "The Fires of Resurrection". and I must say I'm quite impressed with the story you put together, love how it's coming along, and can't way to see more! Keep up the gaad work!

[UraniaChang]

Ugh, makes me sick:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000HEW0LQ.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V60211292_.jpg

er...what a nightmare, reminds me of everything I saw in that damned movie.:(
Wolverine's hair looks even more fake than the wrecked bridge in the background, and what did Storm do in this movie to get her stand in the front of the cover? whirling like a tornado?

[ntcrawler]

er...what a nightmare, reminds me of everything I saw in that damned movie.:(
Wolverine's hair looks even more fake than the wrecked bridge in the background, and what did Storm do in this movie to get her stand in the front of the cover? whirling like a tornado?

This must be the Hughe and Halle Special Edition :D

[CapBeerCino]

the Hugh and Halle Special Edition :D

a.k.a the last stand...

It's funny hearing Hugh say the third movie is his fav, 'though he also likes the second one'. I take it the bigger his role, the more he likes the movie...

[Bishop2]

You're of course one of those people who took advantage of the door they closed and didn't lock. :)

I've been reading your post X3 fanfic "The Fires of Resurrection". and I must say I'm quite impressed with the story you put together, love how it's coming along, and can't way to see more! Keep up the gaad work!

Thanks very much. :) I'm glad someone on here still remembers that, since it's not done yet. ;) At least we're almost there - only five or six more chapters to the end!

[Mdizzle]

This must be the Hughe and Halle Special Edition :D

Lol. I even found some of Halle's scenes and storylines to be almost kinda pointless, you know? Like they're just thrown in there to give her the screen time. Certain parts, at least. Not knocking Storm, just maybe the way things were gone about in X3. Lack of relevancy or something.

[taintedFB]

I think it has more to do with the cluelessness of the studio than the actors. Halle just wanted to play a real character, not more time. Hugh, who knows. I get the feeling he walks around thinking "check it out, I'm Wolverine, I'm cool, I'm the star of these films". He seems to aware of his importance and appears in nearly every scene! He's a producer, so he'd have a say as well...

James was robbed but his brief performance was more passionate and real then all of Halle's and Hugh's! Why can't we see more of him and Famke together. And I DO believe he'll be back IF they do an X4. They purposely left it vague AND used a different special effect on him than on the people Phoenix dissintegrated. (his particles weren't blowing away, his skin just bubbled)

[WideAwake]

When was the last time your skin bubbled, taintedFB? :p

I don't think there'll be an X4, but if there is one, I really hope James tells them to stick it up a place where the sun don't shine.
Studio politics robbed him of his rightful part in these movies, so I hope James won't stoop as low by coming back, only to get wasted again once another wildcard character, such as Gambit (pun intended :p) turns out to be an audience favorite.
It seems James' career going well, for which I'm glad, so I don't hope he won't need to do an X4, and will show them what they are missing.

[UraniaChang]

If they do an X4 in the future without giving a decent role to Cyclops...I hope it'll be a total flop.

[Majik1387]

It will be.

[Bishop2]

It will be.

I'm sure that any X-Men 4 would probably be successful even if it only brought back Iceman, Colossus and Kitty. :\

[Majik1387]

^I wouldn't be too sure if I were you.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

She was definitely a few tacos short of a family pack at that point.

My point was that, Penn and Kinberg can scream all they want, they can throw a tantrum in public and bang trash can lids together screaming "CYCLOPS IS DEAD! CYCLOPS IS DEAD"

Dude, I don't agree with your view, but I can't think of a better way for you to have gotten your point across.

Those are friggin' hilarious dude!

:up:

[Celestial]

I don't think there'll be an X4, but if there is one, I really hope James tells them to stick it up a place where the sun don't shine.
Studio politics robbed him of his rightful part in these movies, so I hope James won't stoop as low by coming back, only to get wasted again once another wildcard character, such as Gambit (pun intended :p) turns out to be an audience favorite.
It seems James' career going well, for which I'm glad, so I don't hope he'll need to do an X4, and will show them what they are missing.
Essentially that's what he did with X3. He went and got himself a sizeable role on X3's biggest rival. His schedule didn't allow for a decent role in X3. He played a major part in the studio politics that "robbed him of his rightful part". The X-Men movies have done a lot to raise Marsden's profile - Cyclops is still his best known role. He has a career but its not going so well he can afford to upset a major studio.

I'll agree that Cyclops has been handled badly but Marsden was one of the causes not the victim.

[larryfilmmaker]

Cyclops was his highest profile role, but it didn't do much for his career. He has the top of his face covered the entire time and he played a two dimensional guy the audience is supposed to root AGAINST. There wasn't much meat on the character for Marsden to flex his acting talent with. Also, pissing off studios might be bad, but pissing off FOX isn't going to doom anybody's career. Buy a FOX DVD and watch the montage of movies they've made at the beginning. Ignore Fight Club and the rest is complete garbage filled with actors who are on their way down. You guys like Marsden so much? Go rent "Interstate 60"... he's the main character and that movie RULES!

[Balian]

I suggest seeing 10th & Wolf for anyone interested in watching James Marsden in a leading role.

[WideAwake]

Celestial,
Sorry, but I'm not buying the "his shedule didn't allow for a bigger part in X3" excuse. James did have a month to 2 months off from the shooting of Superman Returns. Ian McKellen shot his part for X2 in 2 weeks.
FOX just didn't want them in this movie, Penn and Kinberg have said so.
They could've used those months for some pick-ups, bluescreen work to be comped in later, or second unit shooting. Agreed, his part would still be small, but that would be better than what we got. Instead, they wasted that time with pick-ups, re-shooting his scenes because of his hair...:rolleyes:

And yes, I think that having a bigger part is his "rightful place" in these movies, especially in X3. Same with Storm.
Both have known Jean for a long time. We got some good focus on Storm, but nothing about her relation to Jean. :(

Agreed, Marsden career isn't that succesfull yet, but had made quite a reputation for himself. He has done a variety of roles. I hope for him that the good roles will keep on coming.

[Celestial]

Ian McKellen shot his part for X2 over 13 weeks elapsed. He may only have been needed on set for about 13 days but he needed to fit into the shooting schedule. With such a huge cast and complicated set pieces, there needs to be a lot of flexibility.

From what was said by Simon Kinberg, the writers were asked to write a part for Cyclops that could be filmed in two weeks elapsed. Perhaps this was all that could be negotiated with Marsden and WB at that time. With the tight schedule there wasn't a lot of room for rewrites and rescheduling even if Marsden became available for a longer period. It would have been nice, but it was not a reasonable expectation.

It's been a while since I've read the comments from Penn and Kinberg, but I think their comments are a bit vague when it comes to the sequence of events. It's clear that Cyclops wasn't a priority with Fox at any point but the idea of exclduing him altogether may have been a direct result of Marsden signing for the competition. I don't think Penn/Kinberg were very clear on the timing, partly because they weren't working closely with the Fox execs and so didn't know what came first.

[Celestial]

I suggest seeing 10th & Wolf for anyone interested in watching James Marsden in a leading role.
Did you see it? It's only showing in 5 theatres. The reviews seem to be poor (RT 15%) although Marsden came off fairly well in them. Perhaps Heights would be a better one to see.

[Bishop2]

Has anybody here played the mobile phone versino of X-Men: The Official Game? I just learned that it contains Cyclops as a playable character - the only version of the game to do so. I'm glad that there's a version of this game that doesn't claim that Cyclops has been lying in bed and moping for eight months or so between X2 and TLS. I'm curious to see what they do with him there.

[fallenAngel]

wow, nice to see this thread is still alive.

Even if it's the same convo over and over again.

CYKE RULES!!!!!!

[ntcrawler]

Dude, I don't agree with your view, but I can't think of a better way for you to have gotten your point across.

Those are friggin' hilarious dude!

:up:

Thank you :cyclops:

[narrows101]

http://baywindows.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=008EC9FBCFF24AD18614290016BE1303&nm=Current+Issue&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=B2B1848BCA2E4496BB07F704CA6D0EF6

I ditched Mama the moment I saw a hottie lingering in the corner. I wasn't gonna pass up a brief encounter with James Marsden! I have this thing I do when I meet famous people — to prove I'm actually a fan, I bring up their most obscure credit. Jimmy said that being cast in the film version of the musical Hairspray will surprise fans who don't know he can sing. I told him this was no surprise to me — I've been a fan since his short-lived series Second Noah (circa 1996), in which he regularly sang and played the guitar. He was shocked I remembered that, but laughed when I explained, "Well, most of the time you were singing, you were shirtless — that might be why it stuck in my head!" Hairspray director Adam Shankman tried to make me jealous by saying that because they just flew in for the opening, he and Jimmy both had to change in a bathroom at the airport — that lucky *****! When I asked Marsden about his ambitions, he said, "I always wanted to be in movies. I didn't care if I was a star or not — as long as the roles were interesting. For better or for worse, I'm having the career I dreamt of." But that doesn't mean he's complacent — his new dream is to do a musical with his X-Men co-star Hugh Jackman. "I'd do anything for that man," he confided in me. Ditto!

[CapBeerCino]

:heart: narrows I love you! ...er... I mean thanx! :)

What a sweet guy...

[DarknessOfDeath]

...Jimmy loves Hugh... :eek: Oi... He'd do anything for him. hehehe. I smell Scogan just around the corner

[CapBeerCino]

That's freaky - I was just (don't get it the worng way) thinking of you DOD...

[Balian]

Did you see it? It's only showing in 5 theatres. The reviews seem to be poor (RT 15%) although Marsden came off fairly well in them. Perhaps Heights would be a better one to see.Yeah I did, I found it a enjoyable gangster/mafia film, the acting's really good, from Marsden and Ribisi especially.
I still have to see Heights.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

That's freaky - I was just (don't get it the worng way) thinking of you DOD...
lol... I was thinking of both you and DoD when I read that article...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I got the tingly feeling in my head and inside my body, Cap. lol :p

[LastSunrise1981]

http://z.about.com/d/comicbooks/1/0/_/4/ultcylops.jpg

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/marvel/bitmaps/cyclops.jpg

http://comx-men.skyblog.com/pics/144566835_small.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Ultimatecyclops.gif

[X-Maniac]

^^^ If Singer had cast a beefy Cyclops like that, Jackman's Wolverine might not have been so dominant...

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm a huge Marsden Fan, but I truly believe a big actor would have allowed Cyke to be better represented (Because of the actor's fame, not necessarily their talent). It's sad really, as Scott's always deserved to be a mainplayer in the ensemble.

[X-Maniac]

I'm a huge Marsden Fan, but I truly believe a big actor would have allowed Cyke to be better represented (Because of the actor's fame, not necessarily their talent). It's sad really, as Scott's always deserved to be a mainplayer in the ensemble.

Well, not necessarily a big name (was Jackman well-known at the time?), but someone with a more physical presence... I'm not knocking Marsden, but when up against Jackman's 6ft 3 Wolverine, it's obvious who is the alpha male.

[The Original Bamfer]

Jackman became big, and not all, of course, because of X-Men. Marsden, however, was never a big name. If you had someone of Tom Cruise's Status (which I'd never want, but was rumored for original casting), there'd be no doubt Cyclops would be a big character. S'too abd. :down

[larryfilmmaker]

that's ironic. I always thought Marsden was cast because he looked like Tom Cruise and Jackman was cast because he looks like a young Clint Eastwood. THAT is how a studio tries to make money without dishing out the big bucks for the big names. Fox sucks.

[N_z0]

I'm a huge Marsden Fan, but I truly believe a big actor would have allowed Cyke to be better represented (Because of the actor's fame, not necessarily their talent). It's sad really, as Scott's always deserved to be a mainplayer in the ensemble.

There are quite a few times when I think that. That a bigger-named star would've guaranteed a bigger role for Slim. Yet I'm constantly reminded of the name Shawn Ashmore and that argument loses it's merit.

[UraniaChang]

But I don't want some big-name takes up Cyclops' role simply because they can draw more attention...
A good actor is supposed to be a talented one, and I like James' acting, I think the film studio should stick to the original setting of characters...A Wolverine of 6 feet high? Or were they afraid that he won't be so popular if they found someone 5 feet high played the role instead?
And Tom Cruise? No offense, but if they really cast him as Cyclops, I probably would be more disappointed, I'm not saying he's a bad actor...but he doesn't have the image of Cyke IMO.

[ntcrawler]

James Marsden wasn't cast wrong. Hugh Jackman was. Wolverine is supposed to be short. 5 foot 3. That's supposed to be part of the char's chacteristics and irony, just like the animal known as a wolverine, or badger. A small, vicious, mean little critter that can bring down moose. Making him over a foot taller and towering over everyone else ruins that effect.

[larryfilmmaker]

very true Ntcrawler. The movie Wolverine, in my never humble opinion, was a movie studio typical lead. Tall, dark, and handesome. I don't remember any of those EVER fitting the Wolverine I grew up with. Honestly tho, as much as I dig Marsden in other movies, he also lacks the presence I think Cyclops should have. No, it's not because of little screen time... the guy just doesn't have a commanding aura. Reeve had it, Routh had it, Cyclops should have it too.

[larryfilmmaker]

my Wolverine: Robert Shaw (Jaws version, minus 6 inches)
my Cyclops: Harrison Ford (Force Ten from Navarone version)
my Gambit: that dark haired dude from "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World" he can act, tho in a show like that he rarely gets to show it

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Martin Short Fame Becomes Me Broadway Opening Night - August 17th

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/8594/normal001dm7.jpg http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/149/normal002hh1.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1807/normal003mg5.jpg

[Bastila]

nice pictures, but what is it for an broadway show?

[SCOTT&JEAN]

nice pictures, but what is it for an broadway show?
I think so. But I'm not 100% sure.

[Bastila]

I would love him to come to the west end !!!

[narrows101]

Here's the info on Martin Short on Broadway:

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/101455.html

Short Ribs Broadway in Fame Becomes Me, Opening on Broadway Aug. 17
By Robert Simonson
August 17, 2006

After tryouts in San Francisco, Toronto and Chicago, Tony-winner Martin Short's new show Fame Becomes Me opens at Broadway's Jacobs Theatre on Aug. 17, after previews since July 29.

The new comedy with music stars "SCTV" and "Saturday Night Live" veteran Short, and was conceived by Tony Award winner Short (Little Me) and Hairspray's Marc Shaiman and Scott Wittman.

The production features music by Shaiman (who is also cast member), lyrics by Wittman and Shaiman and direction by Wittman. Charlie Alterman is the musical director. Wittman and Shaiman's Fame Becomes Me score includes such tunes as "Stepbrother de Jesus," "12 Step Pappy" and "Sniff, Sniff."

Alan Zweibel recently joined the creative team, providing "additional material."

Joining Short onstage are Brooks Ashmanskas (Little Me), Mary Birdsong ("Reno 911"), Capathia Jenkins (Caroline, or Change) and Nicole Parker ("Mad TV"). They play numerous different roles alongside Short "guiding the audience through an improbable musical version of his life story," according to press materials.

One much talked-about section of the evening has Short adopt one of his best-known characters, clueless and corpulent celebrity interviewer Jiminy Glick. Glick drafts a famous guest out of the audience and then grills them with needling questions. Past victims have include David Schwimmer, Dennis Miller, Michael Riedel, Gene Simmons, Bob Costas, Chris Noth, Nathan Lane, Cynthia Nixon and Kevin Nealon. On some evenings, the interviewee is an average theatregoer.

The structural nature of the long-gestating show is described thusly: "Leading the audience through a breathless 100 minute romp, Short re-enacts such imagined lifetime high points as his birth in 1976; his abusive father, a legendary Saskatchewan song and dance man; his heartbreaking Golden Globe-nominated performance as a mentally challenged concentration camp survivor and even his afterlife in show biz heaven.

Along the way, superstars including Ellen DeGeneres, Liz Taylor, Katharine Hepburn, Jodi Foster and Renee Zellweger are conjured nightly along side Short's unforgettable characters Jiminy Glick, Ed Grimley and Irving Cohen." Short most recently starred in the Los Angeles debut of The Producers as Leo Bloom. He won a Tony for Little Me and also starred in Broadway's The Goodbye Girl.

[god/devil]

I think one of the reasons that scott/marsden never got the screentime he deserved is because of cyc's power. It's not nearly as visually stunning as nightcrawler, storm, iceman and it just doesn't have the cool factor of say jean, mystique, wolverine or the emotional turmoil like rogue (they could of used this one by digging into the fact that he constantly has to wear glasses, then again so do people with awful sight.

[Bastila]

But also he can only see in Red and never take them off.

[WideAwake]

I'd say Cyclops' power is visually one of the most interesting.
Not to bash the other characters, but in X3, I got a bit tired of seeing Wolverine going through some more hacking and slashing with his claws, Storm generate more lightning and fog, and Magneto flipping over cars.
In X3, they only took Iceman's powers to another level.

With Cyclops being able to control the intensity of his beam, I'm sure creative writers and directors could come up with something interesting for him to do.
Imagine the battle of Alcatraz, all dark and somber, and then suddenly a bright red beam pearcing through the enemy's ranks, blowing away members of the Brotherhood left and right, and relying on his skills as a fighter when he can't reach the controls of his visors, like Singer and Marsden did for X2.

[larryfilmmaker]

I think one of the reasons that scott/marsden never got the screentime he deserved is because of cyc's power. It's not nearly as visually stunning as nightcrawler, storm, iceman and it just doesn't have the cool factor of say jean, mystique, wolverine or the emotional turmoil like rogue (they could of used this one by digging into the fact that he constantly has to wear glasses, then again so do people with awful sight.

well I think Cyke's power looks absolutely awesome and it blows stuff up big time so there's a lot fx-wise they could do. in X-1 they sure as hell weren't blowing anybody away with cool effects from ANY character

[Mother_Askani]

I think the reason Scott didn't get the screentime is because they didn't know how to use his character. They started out by introducing Logan as the outsider, which makes sense since you need a reason to explain everything to someone.

The problem is Scott seems like a boring character, since he's the boy scout who (as Joss Whedon so brillantly put it) always does his homework and eats his vegetables. He's not cool, he's just average in looks, and he's got issues.

Scott's the natural leader of the X-Men, and the problem with Marsden is that he just lacks that natural charisma of a leader.

Marden is too much of the very charming, good looking hunk that gets everything because he's a pretty boy. That's not Scott. Scott has had to work four times harder than everyone else.

Scott's insecure because he's not the type of guy who gets the girl. He's not able to control his powers, which makes him a bit of a control freak.

Scott always tries to do the right thing, no matter what, and it always backfires on him. He's all about duty and responsibility.

He's not the type of character that translates well to an action movie and needed to be played by the right type of actor.

[larryfilmmaker]

well I agree with most of it, but I think you're wrong abotu the "Scott's insecure because he's not the type of guy who gets the girl."

He ALWAYS gets the girl... as pointed about by about every X-Men character ever.

[MsNatchios]

He's not cool, he's just average in looks

I will thought Scott was supposed to be a pretty boy, a contrast to Logan in the comics. Especially with Marsden playing him and the way the draw him in the Ultimate Universe.

[xii22_loop]

yeah Wolverine was the short, brutal, average (or less then cause he was so animalistic) hairy guy.

but movieverse wolverine is a tall, hunky, hairy, guy.

[ntcrawler]

Imagine the battle of Alcatraz, all dark and somber, and then suddenly a bright red beam pearcing through the enemy's ranks, blowing away members of the Brotherhood left and right, and relying on his skills as a fighter when he can't reach the controls of his visors, like Singer and Marsden did for X2.

Hehe, that'e exactly how we're portraying him. Logan asks Scott how he expects to go into combat and physical fight the bad guys with two broken ribs. And Scott points that he doesn't intend to let the bad guys get close enough to physically fight him.

And when Magneto does his flying cars attack, Scott perks up. "Extreme Shot-put!!!" and does short work, thoroughly humiliating Magneto :)

Magneto: "Don't you poeple ever DIE?"

Scott: "Dying's NOT on my agenda tonight!"

[WideAwake]

Sounds cool! :cyclops:
Is that in the rewrite you did with GoddessReicho? I still haven't had the chance to read it, but I will check it out eventually!

[MilkmanDan]

I will thought Scott was supposed to be a pretty boy, a contrast to Logan in the comics. .
Scott is kind of an ugly duckling. He was originally a tall, lanky and awkward teenager with really dorky clothes. He's just one of those guys who look surprisingly good once they start working out and get a decent wardrobe and haircut (I bet Jean has helped quite a bit with those last two things over the years). So while Scott is handsome, I don't think he should be too handsome. He should look good in a way that it's still believable that he isn't fully aware of his own attractiveness.

[pedro parkero]

Still, you need some charisma on Cyclops or people would just think he's a big D*ck... :D

But yeah, given proper writing, Cyclops can be portrayed as "cool", specially on super serious situations and he is very p*ssed. Then real power comes out...
Sadly, he never gets to show his true potential so he's stuck as an inefficient, irrelevant leader in the X-movieverse...

[spark627]

i saw the movie interstate 60, the movie was crappy but james was gorgeous (as always) anyway, he plays an artist and comic book fan, in one scene he lift something up and an x-men comic is under it, who is on the cover?? jean! i thought it was cute, he was channeling his inner cy

[DarknessOfDeath]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/other/untitled.jpg

My first manip after a long time. lol.

[ntcrawler]

Sounds cool! :cyclops:
Is that in the rewrite you did with GoddessReicho? I still haven't had the chance to read it, but I will check it out eventually!

Yeah, that's going to definitely be in there. It is still heavily under construction so the first set of posts you see in that thread looks like a random collection of scenes, but we're now going back to the beginning and aside from some snips here and there asking for opinions and corrections, suggestions, etc we'll be posting things in order and in what we hope to be a more coherent fashion, haha.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/other/untitled.jpg

My first manip after a long time. lol.
I don't know why but it looks too weird for me...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I don't know why but it looks too weird for me...

I know...Thats because I don't know how to do the optic blast effect.

[larryfilmmaker]

i saw the movie interstate 60, the movie was crappy but james was gorgeous (as always) anyway, he plays an artist and comic book fan, in one scene he lift something up and an x-men comic is under it, who is on the cover?? jean! i thought it was cute, he was channeling his inner cy

that movie is brilliant and shows every single way human beings distort reality to fit their own purposes... it's a very subtle, very awesome movie. The dude who made Back to the Future made it! The x-men cover was in the first shot.

[spark627]

i know what the movie was going for, i got it. i just found it boring and the acting was pretty bad.

[DarknessOfDeath]

If anyone has any Scott/James pictures that I may not have seen before, please post em.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

They are many pics of Jimmy!!! Which ones do you want?

[DarknessOfDeath]

uh...it doesn't matter which ones I want, I want them all!!

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I can't post them all! I have more than 2.000 pics of Jimmy (Photoshoots, Magazines, Events and Films)!

[DarknessOfDeath]

post em!!!

[Hugh'sMrs]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/other/untitled.jpg

My first manip after a long time. lol.


He looks like Kevin Dillon's 'Johnny Drama' (from Entourage)

[spark627]

Post anything where James has minimal clothing on lol

[DarknessOfDeath]

...why? Spark? I thought u were a dude.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Post anything where James has minimal clothing on lol
Ok, you got it. Just wait a little.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9379/001bt3.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001bt3.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3789/002ai5.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002ai5.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7626/003lt7.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=003lt7.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2624/004yw1.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=004yw1.jpg)

[spark627]

...why? Spark? I thought u were a dude.

I am, some boys like girls and some boys like boys

:)

[spark627]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9379/001bt3.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001bt3.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3789/002ai5.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002ai5.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7626/003lt7.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=003lt7.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2624/004yw1.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=004yw1.jpg)

Love this photoshoot and the movie it is from!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Are you bisexual? I am... :) Do you have AIM? MSN or Yahoo?

[spark627]

LOL, no im not bi, im gay. you may have been confused by my lust for famke, i just think she is the most beautiful woman in the world... but i wouldn't sleep with her :)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

here are some more. Shirtless as asked...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5573/jmarsden001zx9.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden001zx9.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6283/jmarsden002wk8.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden002wk8.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8855/jmarsden003io2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden003io2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9126/jmarsden004ak7.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden004ak7.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3205/jmarsden005zx7.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden005zx7.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7351/jmarsden006oy1.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden006oy1.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5097/jmarsden007jc5.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden007jc5.jpg)

[DarknessOfDeath]

LOL, no im not bi, im gay. you may have been confused by my lust for famke, i just think she is the most beautiful woman in the world... but i wouldn't sleep with her :)


Oh... :(:marv: well...Thats alright you like boys...

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5759/jmarsden008qr2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden008qr2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2649/jmarsden009cb2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden009cb2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2682/jmarsden010dp4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden010dp4.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2852/jmarsden011qi7.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden011qi7.jpg)http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8407/jmarsden012ht4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden012ht4.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6812/jmarsden013tz6.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden013tz6.jpg)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2388/jmarsden014pi7.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden014pi7.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5010/jmarsden015fq5.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden015fq5.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2413/jmarsden016lh2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden016lh2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8012/jmarsden017nf8.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden017nf8.jpg)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9862/jmarsden018lc6.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden018lc6.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4946/jmarsden019hu4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden019hu4.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/250/jmarsden020dd3.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden020dd3.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4044/jmarsden021mv2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden021mv2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2695/jmarsden023rl4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden023rl4.jpg)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8296/jmarsden024bs4.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden024bs4.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8853/jmarsden025er7.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden025er7.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1646/jmarsden026pi2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden026pi2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6262/jmarsden027vp6.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden027vp6.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5528/jmarsden028uq0.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden028uq0.jpg)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6707/jmarsden029vm8.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden029vm8.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5198/jmarsden030kv2.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden030kv2.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7070/jmarsden031fu5.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden031fu5.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1347/jmarsden032rf6.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmarsden032rf6.jpg)

[spark627]

Holy Moly

[Bastila]

Holy Moly


thats what i thought more more lol. his so hot.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

You want more? Ok

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[Bastila]

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Raise your hand if you want to go swimming with James *Puts hand up* lol.

[spark627]

it is not fair to be that good looking.

[triplefive]

This is from the recent Ultimate X-Men Annual... these panels made me fangirl giggle -- I thought it was adorkable so I wanted to share:

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/8788/ultimatexannual2adorkablecyclopsuc1.jpg

During a fight, Nightcrawler bamfed him into the air and Cyclops is softening the ground to land on.

[Mother_Askani]

Scott is kind of an ugly duckling. He was originally a tall, lanky and awkward teenager with really dorky clothes. He's just one of those guys who look surprisingly good once they start working out and get a decent wardrobe and haircut (I bet Jean has helped quite a bit with those last two things over the years). So while Scott is handsome, I don't think he should be too handsome. He should look good in a way that it's still believable that he isn't fully aware of his own attractiveness.

Exactly. Scott's not the type of guy who's the drop dead gorgeous type. He's an ophan, nicknamed Slim with wears weird red glasses. He's a dork.

The problem is Marsden is unbelievably gorgeous. He's a pretty-boy and he knows it. That's not Scott. Marden's Cyclops comes off as the high school jock who's the star athlete, gets the girl and is teacher's pet. He's the type of guy you hate. Then Logan comes off as the outsider who you want to see get the girl away from the jock.

X-fans have always hated Scott, but it didn't have anything to do with that. Even the "you're a dick" line (which was written by Joss Whedon) and the Wolvie/Cyke anamosity is out of place. They're a team and Scott acts like the leader. (And Scott didn't become a dick until he abandoned Maddie & NC.)

[Vilya]

What happend next? hmmm cykes can use his optic blast to slow down his fall, maybee he can use it to fly someday? lol


This is from the recent Ultimate X-Men Annual... these panels made me fangirl giggle -- I thought it was adorkable so I wanted to share:

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/8788/ultimatexannual2adorkablecyclopsuc1.jpg

During a fight, Nightcrawler bamfed him into the air and Cyclops is softening the ground to land on.

[ntcrawler]

This is from the recent Ultimate X-Men Annual... these panels made me fangirl giggle -- I thought it was adorkable so I wanted to share:


So he CAN use his force blasts to slow down his landing. Excellent!

[Vilya]

Ntcrawler in your story he could use this method to jump from the top of the building where the x jet is and land among his fellow xmen on the ground floor :)

[Bastila]

This is from the recent Ultimate X-Men Annual... these panels made me fangirl giggle -- I thought it was adorkable so I wanted to share:

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/8788/ultimatexannual2adorkablecyclopsuc1.jpg

During a fight, Nightcrawler bamfed him into the air and Cyclops is softening the ground to land on.

I liked that part, its cool.

[Pizzaboy1138]

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Wow, a Cyclops who actually uses his blasts! :eek:

[ntcrawler]

Ntcrawler in your story he could use this method to jump from the top of the building where the x jet is and land among his fellow xmen on the ground floor :)

that's exactly what I did for Scott's entrance. Leaps off the roof and uses his optic beats to slow down for a semi-graceful landing. I just wasn't sure it would work. Glad to know that it does :)

[WideAwake]

ntcrawler, I don't know how your fanfic is going to play out, but will Rogue and Angel make an appereance in the final battle as well? That would be quite a lot of entires in a battle :p

How about the Brotherhood storming forward towards the lab, while suddenly, there is a bright flash of red. From a hole in the building step Cyclops, hand at his visor, sided by Storm and Wolverine, and followed by Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Angel, Kitty and Colossus. That would really show Cyclops as the leader of the X Men. :cool:

I was watching a bit of the first X Men today, the extended version, and I thought it was quite refreshing. It wasn't as fast-paced as X3, and the whole team was there, including Cyclops. I especially like his little scenes: the one where he teaches some kids about the working of a motorcycle, and Jean takes his hand, and where he tells Wolverine to put on a uniform.
In this movie, he really comes across as silently confident. He doesn't flinch when Wolverine grabs him by his clothes in Xavier's office, or when he gets called a ****.

[ntcrawler]

ntcrawler, I don't know how your fanfic is going to play out, but will Rogue and Angel make an appereance in the final battle as well? That would be quite a lot of entires in a battle :p


My friend, did you really thing the real Rogue would give up everything the good people at the mansion taught her, all her lessons about being accepted for who she is, coming to grips with herself and coping with her gifts just so she can have sex with a boy? :P

How about the Brotherhood storming forward towards the lab, while suddenly, there is a bright flash of red. From a hole in the building step Cyclops, hand at his visor, sided by Storm and Wolverine, and followed by Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Angel, Kitty and Colossus. That would really show Cyclops as the leader of the X Men. :cool:

I don't have him shoot a wall in the building, no. The X-Men generally try to avoid causing massive property damage, haha. They make their entrance in a manner similar to what you see in the movie: everyone has their characteristic way of descinding down to the bottom level in front of the building. As leader, Cyclops goes last and has his own gimmick for getting down:

Wolverine: Hey Scooter, how are you getting down there?

Scott: I'll use the stairs, Logan.

Everyone notices his arrival, especially Magneto and a certain red-headed someone who experiences her 2nd biggest shock of the night. He'll be doing plenty to show that not only is he the leader of the X-men, but a damn good one too. To do it any other way, would be disrespectful to everything he worked for and stands for, no? :)

I was watching a bit of the first X Men today, the extended version, and I thought it was quite refreshing. It wasn't as fast-paced as X3, and the whole team was there, including Cyclops.


It brings tears to my eyes to see X1 and X2. Not only because those stories actually "work" and you see the chars act the way they're supposed to, but also because you know they're alive and you feel sad knowing that we're starving for footage and for a while there won't be anymore.

And yes, I understand the slower pace and it makes sense if you think about it. The X-Men isn't just about fighting villains and saving the day. Alot of what they do also involves quieter, calmer moments. The kinds of battles that don't involve super powers or violence. Unfortunately not many people can appreciate that. They just assume the X-Men are ordinairy superheroes who fly around and fight crime and evil wherever it lurks and rescue cats stuck in trees for little old ladies.


I especially like his little scenes: the one where he teaches some kids about the working of a motorcycle, and Jean takes his hand, and where he tells Wolverine to put on a uniform.
In this movie, he really comes across as silently confident. He doesn't flinch when Wolverine grabs him by his clothes in Xavier's office, or when he gets called a ****.

Exactly. Cyclops is good at what he does not only because he has a natural talent for it, but because he has been doing it for years and this is a role that he slowly grew into. From the very very beginning he was there. Especially regarding his relationship with Jean. I'm almost finished with reading a 500-page prequel novel called "An Accidental Interception of Fate". If you think them holding hands together during the autoshop class scene was touching, lemme tell you that is just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. This story is written by someone who not only understands the X-men, but also men and women, relationships, and what it takes for a trusting, mature relationship to succeed. Scott and Jean took years in order to get together and give each other their hearts. It's been a slow, sometimes painful journey full of disappointments and frustrations (and lots of stubborness), yet they both persevered, first as big sister / little brother, then as friends, then best friends, then confidants, then drifting apart, then once again friends, then confidants, and then... and then Jean is still stubborn, but Scott's always there for her, especially during times of terrible crisis when no one else has a chance to save her. It really makes you appreciate what they had to go through and how happy they are to be together and just what they mean to each other. And I'm sorry, but after reading something like this, to even insist that out of nowhere comes along Wolverine and thinks he has a chance in hell to win Jean over because he "claims" to understand her is a complete insult to the entire concept of love or what a relationship is or what Scott and Jean truly mean to each other.

[triplefive]

So he CAN use his force blasts to slow down his landing. Excellent!
I put it in a spoilertag underneath, but I guess it wasn't very obvious it was there -- I'm pretty sure he's just obliterating the ground beneath him for a softer landing.

[triplefive]

Wow, a Cyclops who actually uses his blasts! :eek:
Haha, are you reading Civil War: X-Men?

[ntcrawler]

I put it in a spoilertag underneath, but I guess it wasn't very obvious it was there -- I'm pretty sure he's just obliterating the ground beneath him for a softer landing.

Can't he disperse his force blasts into a wider arc? I thought he could control the width of the beam too and not just his intensity. For cutting chiseling or playing mutant-billiards :)

[gambitfire]

good to know the Cyke love is still alive :D

[SCOTT&JEAN]

good to know the Cyke love is still alive :D
Of course it is! And it will always be that way!

[MsNatchios]

Exactly. Scott's not the type of guy who's the drop dead gorgeous type. He's an ophan, nicknamed Slim with wears weird red glasses. He's a dork.

I get he's no Warren Worrthington III, but I swear I heard Wolverine snidely call him "pretty boy" a few times in the comics and the '90s cartoon. Anyway, that's why I always assumed he was a looker. I know he was a scrawny kid, hence "Slim" but Jim Lee's version of Cyclops totally obliterated that nickname. Astonishing Scott is pretty ordinary looking but Ultimate Scott is definitely purdy, or at least they draw him out to be.

[triplefive]

Scott's always been drawn with a great body and a good, square jaw. He may be a dork, but he's not an ugly duckling.

[MsNatchios]

Scott's always been drawn with a great body and a good, square jaw. He may be a dork, but he's not an ugly duckling.
Define dork.

http://househippo.org/images/wallpaper_emmascott.jpg

[triplefive]

Just because he's in bed with Emma means he's not a dork? I don't think the two are related.
He's my favourite character, and he's definitely dorky. It's the boy scout thing -- makes him endearing.

[MsNatchios]

Just because he's in bed with Emma means he's not a dork? I don't think the two are related.
He's my favourite character, and he's definitely dorky. It's the boy scout thing -- makes him endearing.
Fair enough. The bottom left pic of him is actually more Abercrombie than Math Club. But yeah I guess he'll always have that inner dork thing.

[ntcrawler]

Just because he's in bed with Emma means he's not a dork? I don't think the two are related.
He's my favourite character, and he's definitely dorky. It's the boy scout thing -- makes him endearing.

With just enough cocky attitude and a boyish maniacal grin to make him interesting, and a coolness under battle that has few equals.

[Mother_Askani]

Define dork.

http://househippo.org/images/wallpaper_emmascott.jpg
That's Endsong, where everyone looks like they're models (and all the women look like they're straight out of Playboy).

I've gotta do it: Drooling Scott..

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If you look at the classic Claremont issues, Scott's not the super-stud. He's not Marsden-level in looks. The idea of Emma being with someone like Scott is just crazy. She'd be with Warren, based on looks.

Of course, the only time I've ever been able to even tolerate Scott is when he was Slym Dayspring, but that's a whole different story altogether.

Marsden's Cyke just comes off as just an arrogant, pretty boy jerk, and that's not why X-fans have come to love to hate Scott. He's earned that reputation from years and years of making stupid blunders. And if they had him as that type of character in the movie, I think Cyke would have been far more popular. Marsden was just miscast.

[triplefive]

The idea of Emma being with someone like Scott is just crazy. She'd be with Warren, based on looks.
I always see gorgeous girls with mediocre boyfriends.


Anyway, pretty much the entire group was "miscast", in that they don't match their comic book counterparts that much. And in the movies, Cyclops wasn't intended to be the strong hero/leader -- that's what Wolverine was for. He was just a plot device to use to build Logan's character.

[WorthyStevens]

The idea of Emma being with someone like Scott is just crazy. She'd be with Warren, based on looks.

Solely on looks, they would be a perfect match.

But Emma pairs better with a guy like Scott. Warren is more along the lines of being like the cocky jock, and Emma - if I'm not mistaken - doesn't really fit well with that.

[ntcrawler]

Solely on looks, they would be a perfect match.

But Emma pairs better with a guy like Scott. Warren is more along the lines of being like the cocky jock, and Emma - if I'm not mistaken - doesn't really fit well with that.

They both can be cocky and full of themselves. that either makes them the perfect couple, or a conflict of interest. Arguing who's on top, etc. but then again Scott has that same problem too. Jean was more... accomodating. Emma is great, and has her moments, but she's just not as... likeable or sincere as Jean, you know? And even though she has a few fun gimmicks to show her love for Scott, like turning into diamond so he can show her his eyes and just absorb the blast without damage, it's not the same. Jean could actually stop them and let them face each other with no ruby quartz. Emma, try as she might, just cannot beat that.

[ntcrawler]

I always see gorgeous girls with mediocre boyfriends.


Anyway, pretty much the entire group was "miscast", in that they don't match their comic book counterparts that much. And in the movies, Cyclops wasn't intended to be the strong hero/leader -- that's what Wolverine was for. He was just a plot device to use to build Logan's character.

Makes you want to see a picture of the char holding up a sign. "I am not a plot device!" Same with Storm. "I am not a remote control for the weather!"

[WorthyStevens]

They both can be cocky and full of themselves. that either makes them the perfect couple, or a conflict of interest. Arguing who's on top, etc. but then again Scott has that same problem too.

It would be more of a conflict of interest. Not to mention that Emma isn't even Warren's type. He prefers more down to earth women, such as Candy Southern.

Jean was more... accomodating. Emma is great, and has her moments, but she's just not as... likeable or sincere as Jean, you know? And even though she has a few fun gimmicks to show her love for Scott, like turning into diamond so he can show her his eyes and just absorb the blast without damage, it's not the same. Jean could actually stop them and let them face each other with no ruby quartz. Emma, try as she might, just cannot beat that.

Oh yeah, Jean will always be Scott's one and only soulmate. Emma doesn't come close.

[triplefive]

Do any other Marsden fans here live near Toronto? I just realized Hairspray is filming here. I'm totally going to check out that set -- they redressed an entire intersection (Dundas and Roncesvalles) to look like 60s Baltimore.

[pedro parkero]

i saw the movie interstate 60, the movie was crappy but james was gorgeous (as always) anyway, he plays an artist and comic book fan, in one scene he lift something up and an x-men comic is under it, who is on the cover?? jean! i thought it was cute, he was channeling his inner cy
Hmmm... I only remember the optic-blasting Cyclops solo cover on the table...
His character there is cool. He has a Spider-Man tie... :D

And yeah, the whole movie is cool. But I can understand why a woman would be bored though. It IS a guy's roadtrip. (Maybe the ultimate roadtrip, I'd say...)

[MsNatchios]

That's Endsong, where everyone looks like they're models (and all the women look like they're straight out of Playboy).

I've gotta do it: Drooling Scott..

http://i4.tinypic.com/4c141vq.jpg

If you look at the classic Claremont issues, Scott's not the super-stud. He's not Marsden-level in looks. The idea of Emma being with someone like Scott is just crazy. She'd be with Warren, based on looks.

Of course, the only time I've ever been able to even tolerate Scott is when he was Slym Dayspring, but that's a whole different story altogether.

Marsden's Cyke just comes off as just an arrogant, pretty boy jerk, and that's not why X-fans have come to love to hate Scott. He's earned that reputation from years and years of making stupid blunders. And if they had him as that type of character in the movie, I think Cyke would have been far more popular. Marsden was just miscast.

A pic of Scott in a vegetable-like state isn't really a fair counterpoint. :p

There's no point in me posting a studly picture of Scott because it all depends on the artist syle. I found he's drawn to look Marsden-esque hot by some and very ordinary by others (Astonishing Scott). However, 90% of the time he's drawn with symmetrical features, a square jaw, broad shoulders, big muscles...etc. I don't know many average guys that have all of those physical traits. Comicbook Logan is specifically drawn to be not attractive and the other extreme is Warren who is basically the X-world version of Brad Pitt. The "ugly ducking" analogy fits Scott perfectly because it implies that he outgrew that persona. He started off as a skinny, awkward orphan who drove people away because of his inability to control his mutation. So he ended up pushing people away and had minimal self-confidence. But in time with Xavier moulding him into a leader and Jean falling in love with him, he grew into his own skin. He just doesn't strike me as the type of guy who acknowledges his looks, like Warren or even Remy, but he still turns heads.

X-fans love to hate Cyclops? Then why the public fanboy outcry when it was leaked that they were going to kill him in X3? And you mention Marsden being miscast because he's too pretty for Scott. Um, what about Jackman and Wolverine?! First of all Jackman has a foot on the guy, he's a tenth less hairy and is, well, he's handsome. Logan is supposed to be ugly...not average but the complete opposite of conventionally handsome. The general public didn't care for Marsden's Cyke because of writing (or lack thereof).

[SCOTT&JEAN]

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First Look At John Travolta in Hairspray
Written by Robert Sanchez
Friday, 08 September 2006
New Line Cinema has supplied the IESB with a first look at John Travolta in the upcoming remake of Hairspray.

It’s 1962. Change is in the hair.

Tracy Turnblad, a big girl with big hair and an even bigger heart, has only one passion – dancing. Her dream is to appear on “The Corny Collins Show,” Baltimore’s hippest dance party on TV. Tracy (Nikki Blonsky) seems a natural fit for the show except for one not-so-little problem – she doesn’t fit. Her plus-sized figure has always set her apart from the in-crowd, which she is reminded of by her loving but overly protective plus-sized mother, Edna (John Travolta). That doesn’t stop Tracy because if there is one thing that this big girl knows, it’s that she was born to boogie.

After wowing Corny Collins (James Marsden) at her high school hop, Tracy wins a spot on his show and becomes an instant on-air sensation, much to the chagrin of the show’s reigning princess, Amber Von Tussle (Brittany Snow) and her vitriolic mother, Velma (Michelle Pfeiffer), who runs television station WYZT. Even worse for Amber is the fact that it’s not just the audience who loves the new girl in town; Amber’s sweetheart, Link Larkin (Zac Efron) seems to be falling for Tracy’s charms as well. This dance party gets personal as a bitter feud erupts between the girls as they compete for the coveted “Miss Teenage Hairspray” crown.

At school, however, a short stint in detention opens Tracy’s eyes to a bigger issue than the latest dance craze or the coolest hairdo – racial inequality. Throwing caution to the wind, she leads a march with Motormouth Maybelle (Queen Latifah) to fight for integration and winds up with an arrest warrant instead. Tracy is on the lam now and goes underground – literally – to her best friend Penny Pingleton’s (Amanda Bynes) basement.

Has Tracy’s luck finally run out? Will she miss the final dance-off against Amber and forfeit the title of “Miss Hairspray” or will she sing and dance her way out of trouble again? Can she win the heart of heartthrob Link Larkin and be able to integrate television all without messing up her hairdo?

Well, when big hair meets big dreams anything can happen – and does – in this rock ‘n rolling, comedy.

[jefpandas5]

hi
someone could make me a legs and a full pic for cyclops in the pic of the page 3 on the thread X1,X2,X3 promo pics??. The pic was post by Scott&Jean on 06-29-2006, pic next to magneto and Iceman.

thank you very much!!!

[MilkmanDan]

However, 90% of the time he's drawn with symmetrical features, a square jaw, broad shoulders, big muscles...etc. I don't know many average guys that have all of those physical traits. Comicbook Logan is specifically drawn to be not attractive and the other extreme is Warren who is basically the X-world version of Brad Pitt. The "ugly ducking" analogy fits Scott perfectly because it implies that he outgrew that persona. He started off as a skinny, awkward orphan who drove people away because of his inability to control his mutation. So he ended up pushing people away and had minimal self-confidence. But in time with Xavier moulding him into a leader and Jean falling in love with him, he grew into his own skin. He just doesn't strike me as the type of guy who acknowledges his looks, like Warren or even Remy, but he still turns heads.

I agree. The real question is whether Marsden is the most suitable person to play such a character. Marsden is not just handsome. He is exceptionally handsome in a way that makes it hard to imagine him as an insecure geek. The role of Cyclops was under-written. When it comes to supporting characters like that, it often helps to cast in a way that the appearance of the actor tells more about the character than the limited amount of lines. (For example any character played by Michael Ironside is tough.) Marsden's looks make him an ideal to play cocky frat-boy types. And that's how large part of the audience saw Cyclops, because they didn't know the character from the comics. An actor who is good-looking in a more down-to-Earth everyman way (a John Cusack-type?) might have made the audience see him in a different light.

[triplefive]

James Marsden has mentioned in interviews how unpopular he was in high school because he was so small compared to the jocks, and had big lips, and etc. That clinched his appropriateness for me.
And he has a very small stature; slim, if you will. Aside from the height, he's the perfect build to play Cyclops. And when you cover his eyes, a lot of James' pretty-boy looks go away and you're left with strong cheekbones and jawline, which Cyclops was often drawn with back in the day.

[WorthyStevens]

I don't know if any of you guys know this, but Marsden's '10th and Wolf' comes out on DVD on the 19th.

[triplefive]

Seriously? I'd been waiting to try to see it in theatres, but I guess I'll just buy it... thanks for the info!

[Pizzaboy1138]

I'm not up to date. What's that Wolverine pic there about? Where's Cyke?

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-End-Book-Three-Men/dp/0785116923/sr=8-1/qid=1157830368/ref=sr_1_1/103-9435458-9974202?ie=UTF8&s=books

X-Men: The End Book Three: Men and X-Men (Paperback)

[LadyVader]

^Jesus. Her boob is almost as big as her head. :)

[triplefive]

I'm not up to date. What's that Wolverine pic there about? Where's Cyke?

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-End-Book-Three-Men/dp/0785116923/sr=8-1/qid=1157830368/ref=sr_1_1/103-9435458-9974202?ie=UTF8&s=books

X-Men: The End Book Three: Men and X-Men (Paperback)
"The End" was an alternate universe "What if everyone died?" sort of thing... Jean and Scott weren't together in it.

[Pizzaboy1138]

"The End" was an alternate universe "What if everyone died?" sort of thing... Jean and Scott weren't together in it.

Thanks.

... and, of course the writers couldn't have them together. :rolleyes:

[BMM]

^Jesus. Her boob is almost as big as her head. :)

Haha. They often are . . . the ability of most comic book heroines to support the weight of their chests is a gifted ability in and of itself.

[LastSunrise1981]

"The End" was an alternate universe "What if everyone died?" sort of thing... Jean and Scott weren't together in it.

Yes, exactly.

Before Logan/Jean fantasy worshippers chime in with their usual, "Jean and Logan are true love". The bottom line is "The End" is not considered canon at all to the X-Men universe.

In other words what triplefive is pointing out is that it's a "what if" scenario.

[triplefive]

Well they had a thing at the end that explained why they weren't together... but it was all very convoluted. I hardly remember it.

ETA: Covers are supposed to be attention grabbing anyway, even if they are sometimes misleading. Like Emma and Wolverine recently in Astonishing, or that cover in the Search for Cyclops with Jean and Apoca-clops (haha).

[ntcrawler]

Yes, exactly.

Before Logan/Jean fantasy worshippers chime in with their usual, "Jean and Logan are true love". The bottom line is "The End" is not considered canon at all to the X-Men universe.

In other words what triplefive is pointing out is that it's a "what if" scenario.

Sounds awfully similar to The Last Stand, doesn't it? What IF Jean comes back totally evil and kills everyone starting with Scott and then falls for Logan's love? That sums it up nicely. the only way those visions are going to come to life ar in Logan's dreams. Someone throw some cold water on the man and wake him up :)

[ntcrawler]

ETA: Covers are supposed to be attention grabbing anyway, even if they are sometimes misleading. Like Emma and Wolverine recently in Astonishing, or that cover in the Search for Cyclops with Jean and Apoca-clops (haha).

Yeah, exactly. They do things out of the context of the story or what's inside the book. Unfortunately, sometimes I think that Penn and Kinberg's idea of "reading" the comics was based on looking at the cover artwork alone.

[MsNatchios]

Do any other Marsden fans here live near Toronto? I just realized Hairspray is filming here. I'm totally going to check out that set -- they redressed an entire intersection (Dundas and Roncesvalles) to look like 60s Baltimore.
I saw the stage version and I'm not sure if Corny Collins had any outdoor scenes (although I think there may have been one). His were usually in the studio.

James could be showing up to film fest premieres so keep your eyes peeled throughout the city.

[triplefive]

Awesome, thanks for the tip! I think I'll still check out the outdoor set because apparently it's amazing.

[CapBeerCino]

The problem is Marsden is unbelievably gorgeous. He's a pretty-boy and he knows it. That's not Scott. Marden's Cyclops comes off as the high school jock who's the star athlete, gets the girl and is teacher's pet. He's the type of guy you hate. Then Logan comes off as the outsider who you want to see get the girl away from the jock.


Marsden is unbelievably gorgeous when he's shirtless and staring into the camera with huge blue eyes. When dressed like a dork with his "ruby" glasses, that element tones down.

And I didn't see him as the high school jock who gets the girl. Little moments (like with Xavier) made him vulnerable and far from perfect.


Marsden's Cyke just comes off as just an arrogant, pretty boy jerk, and that's not why X-fans have come to love to hate Scott. Marsden was just miscast.

Jerk? I didn't see nothing in the movie to support that. if they wanted him to be a jerk they wouldn't waste time showing how much he cares for Jean and the professor.

And love to hate Scott? look at his thread - it's the biggest one around. There's lots of Cyclops love.

I think the real problem is TLS - the retarded death scene he got made everything about movie-verse Scott Summers and his arc lame. I hope Fox chokes on it. :cmad:

[ntcrawler]

Marsden is unbelievably gorgeous when he's shirtless and staring into the camera with huge blue eyes. When dressed like a dork with his "ruby" glasses, that element tones down.


Precisely. I thought that was a damn good real-life representation of Cyke. In fact I thought it was fairly accurate to the handsome but toned down devil from the earlier issues.

And I didn't see him as the high school jock who gets the girl. Little moments (like with Xavier) made him vulnerable and far from perfect.

I didn't either. He may have been athletic, but he didn't have the mentality of a gorilla when it came to getting girls. If he did, instead of getting Jean he would have gotten her drink in his face.

Jerk? I didn't see nothing in the movie to support that. if they wanted him to be a jerk they wouldn't waste time showing how much he cares for Jean and the professor.

I don't see it either. In X1, he saves Wolverine's butt. When introduced to him by the Prof, he offers to shake hands as greetings. What does Wolverine do? Grabs him by the collar and throws insults into his face. Who's the jerk here?


And love to hate Scott? look at his thread - it's the biggest one around. There's lots of Cyclops love.

Cyclops is good for you :)


I think the real problem is TLS - the retarded death scene he got made everything about movie-verse Scott Summers and his arc lame. I hope Fox chokes on it. :cmad:

That is the real problem indeed. Actually it's more than just making his story arc lame. His entire life and that of Jean's became completely pointless. He never had a chance to carry out his mission or fulfill his obligations or promises, either to Xavier and the institute, or to Jean. And yes, if they do choke, I certainly won't be there to give them a heimlick :P

[Angamb]

I've just saw the trailer of 10th & the wolf, it appears to be a good film for him, didn't know he was the main character. Glad for him.

[cyke93]

as far as casting is concerned, i think marsden is a good fit in terms of look and the personality he gave to cyclops, too bad we didn't get to know him too much cuz they either had him kidnapped or killed before he got to do anything .. but anyways.. i was surprised at how good x-men evolution was. i know it came out after x1 but i never got into it until now... talk about a great show and a great interpretation of scott.. it was nice to see that they could have logan and scott there with out having them fight over jean..

[cyke93]

so i see the dvd is coming out soon, anyone bothering to get it .. i wont.. i don't think i could even stomach seeing x3 again. i got over the butchering of cyclops, but they executed a lot of other things so wrong that.. yea i wont be watching .. i just wanna know what these f***** said on the commentary in regards to cyclops.

[triplefive]

meh, I hated what they did to Cyclops but I'm a bit of a completist, so I'll be getting at least the director's cut version.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

check out this pic of cyc http://planetcomics.jp/hero/chara/megane.gif

and what is up for marsden??

[triplefive]

I think he's filming Hairspray in Toronto. I'm checking out the outdoor set tomorrow but he apparently doesn't have any outdoor scenes.

[gambitfire]

A pic of Scott in a vegetable-like state isn't really a fair counterpoint. :p

There's no point in me posting a studly picture of Scott because it all depends on the artist syle. I found he's drawn to look Marsden-esque hot by some and very ordinary by others (Astonishing Scott). However, 90% of the time he's drawn with symmetrical features, a square jaw, broad shoulders, big muscles...etc. I don't know many average guys that have all of those physical traits. Comicbook Logan is specifically drawn to be not attractive and the other extreme is Warren who is basically the X-world version of Brad Pitt. The "ugly ducking" analogy fits Scott perfectly because it implies that he outgrew that persona. He started off as a skinny, awkward orphan who drove people away because of his inability to control his mutation. So he ended up pushing people away and had minimal self-confidence. But in time with Xavier moulding him into a leader and Jean falling in love with him, he grew into his own skin. He just doesn't strike me as the type of guy who acknowledges his looks, like Warren or even Remy, but he still turns heads.

X-fans love to hate Cyclops? Then why the public fanboy outcry when it was leaked that they were going to kill him in X3? And you mention Marsden being miscast because he's too pretty for Scott. Um, what about Jackman and Wolverine?! First of all Jackman has a foot on the guy, he's a tenth less hairy and is, well, he's handsome. Logan is supposed to be ugly...not average but the complete opposite of conventionally handsome. The general public didn't care for Marsden's Cyke because of writing (or lack thereof).

VERY GOOD POINT!

By what Mother_Askani said then Wolverine was destined to be a miscast as well, And Rogue, and Magneto.

I think to argue that is pointless. The lack of character screen time and development as contrasted by the character of Wolverine is what made him lose value to the audience. I don't think Marsden can be blamed for this if anything he was better casted for his character than Jackman was, IMO.

And im glad you recognize Remy as the attractive type since someone said in another thread that was basically a common misconception.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

if u see him though, take photo of him ^^ we wanna see it

[MsNatchios]

VERY GOOD POINT!
And im glad you recognize Remy as the attractive type since someone said in another thread that was basically a common misconception.

Well this quote pretty much establishes that:

Jean: "I must confess, infuriating and arrogant as Gambit can be... those eyes, that grin, the body -- it takes a girl's breath away."
Scott: "Oh really? When next the opportunity presents itself... remind me to drop a truck on him."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A big truck."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A really big truck."

[ntcrawler]

^^^ BWAHAHA, that's priceless. ALmost as funny as JEan suggesting that the only way to kill Wolverine is to cut his head off or drop him into a vat of acid, then gets upset when she sees Scott grinning.

I've also seen Gambit destribed as being very handsome, specifically having sculpted features similar to Scott's.

[Vilya]

LOL, a very nice quote.

Well this quote pretty much establishes that:

Jean: "I must confess, infuriating and arrogant as Gambit can be... those eyes, that grin, the body -- it takes a girl's breath away."
Scott: "Oh really? When next the opportunity presents itself... remind me to drop a truck on him."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A big truck."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A really big truck."

[AznBABYBANDIT]

nice scene ^^ i can imagine it

[Vilya]

Hi, did a Summers brothers wallpaper with a little input from AznBABYBANDIT, what do u guys think? :oldrazz:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8100/havoc3v2ia8.jpg

[AznBABYBANDIT]

I'm loving it! and isnt that a iceman pose? At least it looks like him shooting ice slides...

[Hulkster]

That Cyclops & Havok manip is awesome.:eek:

[Bishop2]

Have you guys seen the DVD artwork that the first movie used down in Brazil?

http://216.122.75.148/DVDW/images/FX21937.jpg

Check it out - an even foursome! No one dominating the cover! An equally shared spotlight! If only the movies were like that.

[Bastila]

Have you guys seen the DVD artwork that the first movie used down in Brazil?

http://216.122.75.148/DVDW/images/FX21937.jpg

Check it out - an even foursome! No one dominating the cover! An equally shared spotlight! If only the movies were like that.

they used that here for the 1.5 one its shiney as well on the back its them same but the brotherhood instead.

[CapBeerCino]

Have you guys seen the DVD artwork that the first movie used down in Brazil?

http://216.122.75.148/DVDW/images/FX21937.jpg

Check it out - an even foursome! No one dominating the cover! An equally shared spotlight! If only the movies were like that.

By the end of TLS 50% of them are dead. Go Ratner. :o

[Bastila]

By the end of TLS 50% of them are dead. Go Ratner. :o

I know doesn't that suck so much.

[Bishop2]

By the end of TLS 50% of them are dead. Go Ratner. :o

Hey, not Ratner's fault - he was just a yes-man doing what Fox demanded, following the script as written. :csad:

[flavio_lebeau]

By the end of TLS 50% of them are dead. Go Ratner. :o
well, if you follow according, by the end of X2, 25% of them were dead. The "logical" thing to happen was to lose more 25%. :p

*Fears for Storm dying in X4 to grow 25% and they closing the movies forever so that Wolverine doesnt die in an eventual X5*

[gambitfire]

Well this quote pretty much establishes that:

Jean: "I must confess, infuriating and arrogant as Gambit can be... those eyes, that grin, the body -- it takes a girl's breath away."
Scott: "Oh really? When next the opportunity presents itself... remind me to drop a truck on him."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A big truck."
Xavier: "Cyclops."
Scott: "A really big truck."

THANK YOU!! that's the dam quote i was looking for i couldn't find that issue i hope i didn't lose it :(.

[ntcrawler]

Have you guys seen the DVD artwork that the first movie used down in Brazil?

http://216.122.75.148/DVDW/images/FX21937.jpg

Check it out - an even foursome! No one dominating the cover! An equally shared spotlight! If only the movies were like that.

Oh wow! THAT is a fantastic picture! Awsome pose! They even look like they posed together instead of being randomly photoshopped into the same frame! And yes I agree about the balance! Equally represented, just like in the movie. and paired up nicely too JOTT and ROLO. Certainly beats looking at a claw!

And it does a nice job to reinforce the meaning of the title. It's "X-Men", not "X-Man" or "Wolverine" :)

Any way to get a high res scan of this? I'd instantly tape it over my Region 1 1.5 Box!

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Oh wow! THAT is a fantastic picture! Awsome pose! They even look like they posed together instead of being randomly photoshopped into the same frame! And yes I agree about the balance! Equally represented, just like in the movie. and paired up nicely too JOTT and ROLO. Certainly beats looking at a claw!

And it does a nice job to reinforce the meaning of the title. It's "X-Men", not "X-Man" or "Wolverine" :)

Any way to get a high res scan of this? I'd instantly tape it over my Region 1 1.5 Box!
That was the cover of the X-MEN 1.5 Dvd here as well. I have a pic

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3893/coverko7.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coverko7.jpg)

But ours was red, not blue.

[ntcrawler]

Red vs Blue, eh? haha, still looks good! Thanks so much for posting it!!!

[WideAwake]

Yeah, it's a great cover. I have the red one on my X-Men 1.5 copy, but the blue one's great too. It looks very comicy. :yay:

[CapBeerCino]

And yes I agree about the balance! Equally represented, just like in the movie. and paired up nicely too JOTT and ROLO.


Depending in which direction you're looking at it.

[CapBeerCino]

Lame attempt to do Phoenix Justice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB1a7YolJaI)

Blah, I tried watching it but it pissed me off after 10 seconds. I'm never watching that movie again (but maybe I'll listen to the commentaries cause I want to know what the hell were they thinking)

[DarknessOfDeath]

Have you guys seen the DVD artwork that the first movie used down in Brazil?

http://216.122.75.148/DVDW/images/FX21937.jpg

Check it out - an even foursome! No one dominating the cover! An equally shared spotlight! If only the movies were like that.

Nifty...man. Does anyone have a high res version of the blue and red one? I'd like to print it out and replace those damn claws with that. lol

[Bastila]

I like the Red one more.

[PhePhe112]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/x2dvdrelease002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/jamesmarsden004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/jamesmarsden003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/equi002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/avia007.jpg

[Jessie]

Niiiice Phe...very VERY nice!

[Bastila]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/PhePhe112/equi002.jpg



WOW nice arms!!!

[Vilya]

This is bigger version.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2669/xmen1is6.jpg

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Looks cooler than the 1.5 art we got.

Although the artwork for the regular release of X-Men is still the best cover art of the entire franchise.

[N_z0]

I've already seen that cover with the 4 X-men on it but i haven't seen that Brotherhood one on the back. That's a really awkward pose for Mystique. :p And is it just me or does it look like she's got longer hair on this one.

[cyke93]

:sigh: .. i stumbled onto the scene where Logan and Scott meet in the hallway in X3.. what could've been if only the writers and studios hada clue .. :(

[ntcrawler]

^^^ Wow, that's the first time I've seen cover artwork for Toad. NICE!

[cyke93]

does anyone know if the x3 deleted scenes have anything to do with cyclops?

[DarknessOfDeath]

Since Cyclops has a very small role, from the looks of it, No. No more cyclops cause Fox said so. They can take their money and shove it up their ass. Im not even buying the DVD.

[cyke93]

Then I'm not even bothering with the dvd as well.. i watched the movie once and thats basically as many times as i need to see it. if someone says anything about cyclops in commentaries and stuff, im sure someone will post it here.. das my only interest in the dvd..

Cyclops also played no role in x2 (basically) and that ticked me off, however x2 was a great movie in itself, so i didn't mind so much.. but x3 sucked despite cyclop's lack of presence

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cyclops also played no role in x2 (basically) and that ticked me off, however x2 was a great movie in itself, so i didn't mind so much.. but x3 sucked despite cyclop's lack of presence

Cyclops' role in X2 also served the story and wasn't a behind-the-scenes politics driven decision.

[ntcrawler]

Cyclops' role in X2 also served the story and wasn't a behind-the-scenes politics driven decision.

Although a bit disappointed with his role in X2, I wasn't that upset about it because it served the purpose of the story and was reasonable. Everyone stands a chance of being captured by the bad guys. It was just Cyke's luck that it was his turn that week to be the one who was caught. It happens. I along with others was just hopeful that the next movie would make up for that and give him a chance to redeem himself. I suppose in a way he did. He did get the girl and proved everyone wrong. The impossible did come true. He just didn't get a chance to enjoy it :cmad:

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm definitely not buying the DVD or even giving it a rental. But I do know the loyalists and the 7 time viewer of X3 will buy it.

:whatever:

But seriously, what's the point? Why not just remove all the other actors/actresses and just put Hugh Jackman on the DVD?

"Wolverine(Hugh Jackman) returns as the leader of the X-Men to lead them to the ultimate battle. He lost his true love Jean, he is lonely, and he is conflicted with wanting to do the right thing. Wolverine and his sidekicks kick it into high gear to face some other random mutants. Join them in the quest for mutant supremacy as Wolverine becomes the leader he is!"

:whatever:

Yes, I did make that up since that's the mindset Fox and the loyalists have.

[ntcrawler]

^^^ but that's not too far from the truth. The US cover artwork is prominantly either Wolvering, or his claw. The printed material usually says something along the lines of: "The third installment of X-Men, starring Hugh Jackman." Period. Not much mention of the other castmembers either. Now while I like the character, I can't help but think that the balance is shifting just a little too much in his favor. Hence why I prefer the more balanced artwork and credit as given in the first two films, at least in the overseas and alternate covers

[cyke93]

Although a bit disappointed with his role in X2, I wasn't that upset about it because it served the purpose of the story and was reasonable. Everyone stands a chance of being captured by the bad guys. It was just Cyke's luck that it was his turn that week to be the one who was caught. It happens. I along with others was just hopeful that the next movie would make up for that and give him a chance to redeem himself. I suppose in a way he did. He did get the girl and proved everyone wrong. The impossible did come true. He just didn't get a chance to enjoy it :cmad:

i was so sure that cyclops would have a prominent role in x3.. it was almost gauranteed with that ending but talk about everything going wrong !.. n i actually just finished watching Superman for the first time .. i just feel bad for poor james .. his character will get dumped in s2..

[Mistopurr83]

I found it really sad that the one x-man portrayed as a main character and leader of the team for so many years was shafted, sissified and given no justice on the silver screen. The film makers certainly didn't care about him and Jimmy Marsden didn't either.:cmad: For god sakes if Marsden cared he would've fought with the writers to give Cylcops a bigger role! Not only did he greatly regress as the films went on, he was never given any background history. I remember so many fans were begging for Cylcops to have more screen time for X3 and look what happened! He also should've been treated more emotional for not being able to control his power. In fact why not make Cylcops the new comer of X1 since he has an uncontrolable power and felt really scared and devastated when it first manifested??? I think Cylcops was only thrown in there b/c of his key role in the comics, NOT b/c they cared about him.:o

[cyke93]

well if my dreams of being coming a multi billionaire come true, then in about 15-20 years .. ill buy the rights to do another x-men film, get a new cast, have cyclops actually do something .. n hire jimmy to play christopher summers hahahahah

[cyke93]

i also been seeing a lot of cyclops (and angel too) in uniform on various x-men sites and it just ticks me off how the marketing people completely and utterly tricked us.. i mean i get it with jean in x2.. but this was a low blow on their part ..

[cyke93]

i also been seeing a lot of cyclops (and angel too) in uniform on various x-men sites and it just ticks me off how the marketing people completely and utterly tricked us.. i mean i get it with jean in x2.. but this was a low blow on their part ..

[gambitfire]

Did anyone notice that the new Jet Li movie trailer stole the trailer music from the X-men trailers? :p.

[DarknessOfDeath]

meh. So whats new?

found this cool wallpaper

http://emeraldisle-ejs.us/downloads/Wallpapers/X-Men/Xmen_cyclops.jpg

http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/alternatex/ultimate/xmen43.jpg

The true power of Cyclops :o :yay:

[gambitfire]

Hey Weirdo ^ :)

Havn't heard 4rm you in 4 ever.

On a more Random note:

CW is gonna rock Veronica Mars and Smallville in one network what more could i ask 4. :p

[Bishop2]

For anyone still curious about the upcoming DVD, you can watch one of the "alternate endings" from The Last Stand here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzdp2r3ofc

Yes, of course it stars Logan. Just like the whole series did, naturally.

[cyke93]

^^ eww... i was searching for cyclops/ james marsden on youtube and i was surprised that i never saw this one ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av0Gsnjn5jw&NR

i saw the "always on my mind" performance and thought he did a pretty good job. cyclops singing? i doubt it but it would be nice if fox realized how lucky they were to have had james as cyclops. he played it well.. it was unfortunate we will never see his character live up to potential.

[UraniaChang]

For anyone still curious about the upcoming DVD, you can watch one of the "alternate endings" from The Last Stand here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzdp2r3ofc

Yes, of course it stars Logan. Just like the whole series did, naturally.

Why would they waste time and money filming this non-special alternate ending anyway? It's all Logan, Logan and Logan. They could just ask Wolverine stand a whole ten mins there giving his typical/old/uncreative claw-posing and still there will be people willing to buy it.

And Bishop, Fic Update PLEASE~~~