Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[CapBeerCino]

For anyone still curious about the upcoming DVD, you can watch one of the "alternate endings" from The Last Stand here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzdp2r3ofc

Yes, of course it stars Logan. Just like the whole series did, naturally.


What a load of pointless crap! I swear, the more I see - the more I think I could have written a better script, and that's no cause I'm very talented!

Okay, you've ruined the third movie, we get it. Why ***** with the first one? They took a classic scene from x-1 and made it pale and pointless, which sums up everything about TLS. I'm surprised they didn't manage to squeeze in some SFX as well.

"I thought I heard something, could've been an animal" (Oh, the pun! Almost as witty as the 'I heard youre quite an animal/ Look who talks' line... :rolleyes:)

"The kitchen is closed/ I just want beer."

"Going home?/ Something like that."

This is the sort of thing I expect to read in FF.net, not to see on the big screen.

Blah.

[gambitfire]

*sigh* i can't believe it......i still can't believe it.

Im too big of an X-Men fan to let this sink in and get over it.

Hopefully i'll live too see the day We Get An X-Men Return out of this.

[Bishop2]

And Bishop, Fic Update PLEASE~~~

It's coming, and I'm really sorry for the delay... I've hit a busy period at work lately. Hopefully we'll get another chapter this week.

Just so you know, the total number of chapters is probably going to be around 26. So at least we're close!

[phoenix_force]

it's marsdens bday today!

[CapBeerCino]

Happy 33rd Birthday James! :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

happy b-day James. :) Great guy. :)

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Happy his b-day

[SCOTT&JEAN]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIMMY!

[Bishop2]

What a load of pointless crap! I swear, the more I see - the more I think I could have written a better script, and that's no cause I'm very talented!

Okay, you've ruined the third movie, we get it. Why ***** with the first one? They took a classic scene from x-1 and made it pale and pointless, which sums up everything about TLS. I'm surprised they didn't manage to squeeze in some SFX as well.

"I thought I heard something, could've been an animal" (Oh, the pun! Almost as witty as the 'I heard youre quite an animal/ Look who talks' line... :rolleyes:)

"The kitchen is closed/ I just want beer."

"Going home?/ Something like that."

This is the sort of thing I expect to read in FF.net, not to see on the big screen.

Blah.

Here's what I don't understand - if the kitchen is closed, but he's willing to serve beer, that obviously implies that the BAR is OPEN. If the bar's open, why does he stand in the dark and level his shotgun when someone comes in through the door? Does he threaten to blow away ALL of his customers? :huh: :whatever:

[Bastila]

For anyone still curious about the upcoming DVD, you can watch one of the "alternate endings" from The Last Stand here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzdp2r3ofc

Yes, of course it stars Logan. Just like the whole series did, naturally.

That was un intresting lol.


Happy Birthday Jamesie!!! 33 his so good looking.

[triplefive]

oh ****, that means it's my friend's birthday tomorrow.

happy birthday james! though i doubt he'd ever read this. i wonder if he's still in toronto...

[LastSunrise1981]

Here's what I don't understand - if the kitchen is closed, but he's willing to serve beer, that obviously implies that the BAR is OPEN. If the bar's open, why does he stand in the dark and level his shotgun when someone comes in through the door? Does he threaten to blow away ALL of his customers? :huh: :whatever:

Guess it goes to show you how Kinberg and Penn are the definition of the word genius. :whatever:

That scene literally made me throw up in my mouth. I'm hating Wolverine, Rothman, Penn, and Kinberg more and more each day.

[CapBeerCino]

Here's what I don't understand - if the kitchen is closed, but he's willing to serve beer, that obviously implies that the BAR is OPEN. If the bar's open, why does he stand in the dark and level his shotgun when someone comes in through the door? Does he threaten to blow away ALL of his customers? :huh: :whatever:


True, true. What's worst imo is that the scene is completly pointless - I mean what are you trying to say by that?

The whole movie is about Wolverine acting like the leader is isn't, but then you write a scene of him leaving the X-men? (or rather - X-woman since Storm is the only one left (!)...)

And they shot Rogue taking the cure/ not taking the cure? There's to show you they had no idea what they were doing with her and why.

[Bastila]

Cap I love your avvy that part made me laugh in UMX lol.

[ntcrawler]

True, true. What's worst imo is that the scene is completly pointless - I mean what are you trying to say by that?


OK, so he goes back home to Alberta. Yay.. So what? Why should we care? What does that do to the char or the story?

The whole movie is about Wolverine acting like the leader is isn't, but then you write a scene of him leaving the X-men? (or rather - X-woman since Storm is the only one left (!)...)

Oh that's right, she's the only one left of the main team that started out in X1, isn't she? Man that must be some burden. She has to run the school, tme mansion, lead the team, and train them all by herself? That's quite some burden. I doubt this is what Halle wanted when she asked for her char to have a more "substantial" role.

It's also odd, that Wolverine feels so attached to his new family as to actually stick around, train them, act like their leader, give the kids advice, but in the end runs off anyways, at a point where his help would be needed even more.


And they shot Rogue taking the cure/ not taking the cure? There's to show you they had no idea what they were doing with her and why.

That's an interesting point. It really feels as if they had no idea what they wanted to do with the story in the first place. Especially if rumors are so true that just days before Cannes they were still debating which one to include. And furthermore, if you get to choose which ending you want for Rogue, how is that supposed to be understood in terms of storytelling? 1-2 the viewers like her being cured, the other half don't, and now they get to choose the ending? Where's the suspense and cohesiveness of it all?

[CapBeerCino]

1-2 the viewers like her being cured, the other half don't, and now they get to choose the ending? Where's the suspense and cohesiveness of it all?

Hmmm... yep. The art of offhandedness.


Cap I love your avvy that part made me laugh in UMX lol.

...You're sitting on an ejector seat, you know....

:D

[triplefive]

LOL, I love it CapBeerCino. They have a lot of fun exchanges in Ultimate X-Men... and then of course there's that time Wolverine left him for dead.

Anywho.

[Bishop2]

True, true. What's worst imo is that the scene is completly pointless - I mean what are you trying to say by that?

Honestly, just watching it I'm not even sure what's going on. Okay, so Wolverine left the X-Men to do... what? Where IS he going?

"Going home?"
"Something like that."

Something like WHAT? You lived in a dirty trailer with a mattress on the floor. Where the hell are you going? Was this supposed to be a lead-in to his inevitable spinoff? Which is really going to be more like 'Wolverine 4,' I must add.

At least it makes more sense than the early version you can read about in the novelization and junior novel, where he leaves the team and goes back to cage fighting, making what bucks he can off of pummeling unsuspecting humans (!!!).

The whole movie is about Wolverine acting like the leader is isn't, but then you write a scene of him leaving the X-men? (or rather - X-woman since Storm is the only one left (!)...)

Well, I think by the end of it we can also safely say that Iceman, Colossus and Kitty have "graduated" into the role of X-Men. However, that still makes me laugh. Now I kind of want to see a fourth film called X-Men: X-Woman. ;)

[cyke93]

This is the sort of thing I expect to read in FF.net, not to see on the big screen.

Blah.

stuff on FF is a lot better than what we got on screen.

[ntcrawler]

stuff on FF is a lot better than what we got on screen.

Although there are some things that do make me cringe, there are also many, excellent stories that do a fantastic job of filling in the blanks, and even several feature length novels that either do fantastic alternative stories, prequels or sequels on a level that's on par with the likes of Claremont, Peter David, or Vonda McYntire.

Bishop's saga is no slouch in the writing department, and Juliebmr and NJ Borba are fantastic as well

[CapBeerCino]

Well, I think by the end of it we can also safely say that Iceman, Colossus and Kitty have "graduated" into the role of X-Men. However, that still makes me laugh. Now I kind of want to see a fourth film called X-Men: X-Woman. ;)

a.k.a X-woman in name only. :oldrazz:

[HughJackFan420]

i'm too lazy to hunt around so i'm just gonna ask...

did Cyclops have more screen time (or book time) in the novel than he did in the actual movie?

and if so what happened to Cyke in the novel?

HELP ME PLEASE!!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

To celebrate Mr Marsden's b-day. I made this manip for him and his fans.:woot:



http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/darkcykes.jpg


Dark Cykes :) Enjoy!

[Bishop2]

i'm too lazy to hunt around so i'm just gonna ask...

did Cyclops have more screen time (or book time) in the novel than he did in the actual movie?

and if so what happened to Cyke in the novel?

HELP ME PLEASE!!!

It's exactly the same as it is in the movie. The only difference is that Cyclops clearly dies "on-screen" (so to speak) in the novel.

[cyke93]

i forgot to say happy birthday james !

[UraniaChang]

X3 is based on blind *single* hero worship, meaningless lines and overturned characterization, even if they filmed 1000 other alternative endings it won't change any of it.

They just lack imagination and creativity, they are a hopeless case.

Oh, and Happy Birthday James!

And Cyke93, I like your sig, especially the "Cyke's found alive." and "make way for Gambit." part, Logan does take up too much space.

[CapBeerCino]

Who allowed this thread to move to the second page? I'm very disappointed with you guys :p

And just to stay on-topic:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/151/000apc0rog1.jpg

[Bastila]

I was worried about it being on page 2 lol. Nice scan.

[Bastila]

well scott/james thread back on top so why not double post lol.

[ntcrawler]

^^^ what is this from? And it's nice. It's a far cry from Scott running off and giving everyone the big finger, and Xavier commenting "He's taken Jean's death too hard". Bunch of savages!

[Bishop2]

^^^ what is this from? And it's nice. It's a far cry from Scott running off and giving everyone the big finger, and Xavier commenting "He's taken Jean's death too hard". Bunch of savages!

I can just imagine the X3 version...

Xavier: "You've endured a great deal lately... but you haven't had time for proper REFLECTION. Why not get the **** out of my school and let Storm take over forever?"

Cyclops: "But Professor, I can't just-"

Xavier: "Seriously, GO TO HELL."

[Bastila]

I can just imagine the X3 version...

Xavier: "You've endured a great deal lately... but you haven't had time for proper REFLECTION. Why not get the hell out of my school and let Storm take over forever?"

Cyclops: "But Professor, I can't just-"

Xavier: "Seriously, GO TO HELL."

Thats what Fox where thinking, but they went a little further and supposly killed him off.

[ntcrawler]

I can just imagine the X3 version...

Xavier: "You've endured a great deal lately... but you haven't had time for proper REFLECTION. Why not get the **** out of my school and let Storm take over forever?"

Cyclops: "But Professor, I can't just-"

Xavier: "Seriously, GO TO HELL."


Xavier: "Haven't you gotten over Jean YET? It's been 8 months, Scott!"

That would help explain why no one misses him when he supposedly dies, why no one tries looking for him, and the grave at the very end (after everyone else's deaths) is just an afterthought.

[Bastila]

Good point after Jean leaves the manison theres only one more metion of Scott really apart from the house scean when Prof X says it then his forgot about. No ones like we could look for him.
And also you think after X2 they would have done ome sort of grave for Jean as they all thought she died in X2 really.

[Bishop2]

And also you think after X2 they would have done ome sort of grave for Jean as they all thought she died in X2 really.

Yeah, I mentioned this when the movie came out. It's pretty hilarious that they didn't think to make any kind of grave for Jean in those EIGHT FREAKING MONTHS.

[Bastila]

Yeah, I mentioned this when the movie came out. It's pretty hilarious that they didn't think to make any kind of grave for Jean in those EIGHT FREAKING MONTHS.

Same here its like, so you don't care about her lol, who said it was 8 months any way i read the book, but it was a long time ago i read it so can't remeber.

[ntcrawler]

Good point after Jean leaves the manison theres only one more metion of Scott really apart from the house scean when Prof X says it then his forgot about. No ones like we could look for him.
And also you think after X2 they would have done ome sort of grave for Jean as they all thought she died in X2 really.

Jean's grave, yeah that's a nitpick, isn't it? But there are some explanations for how it could work out. Such as Scott stubbornly asking them to wait because he still hasn't been able to let her go or some part of him deep inside believes that she's not completely gone and out of sympathy they granted his request. The same way he would have kept all her possessions in their suite, etc.

But at least have a memorial on the door to her office showing notes and cards from the students friends and family would have been touching, IMHO.

Scott's demise on the other hand? They seemed to have completely forgotten about him as soon as they found Jean. You're right, the only other time he's mentioned is when Xavier agitates Jean by suggesting she may have killed the man she loves because she couldn't control her powers. And that is the last time anyone ever refers to him. Scott "dies" first, then Xavier. Everyone seems to feel Scott is indeed dead, but only Xavier gets a grave.

[Bastila]

But at least a memorial on the door to her office showing notes and cards from the students friends and family would have been touching, IMHO.

Scott's demise on the other hand? They seemed to have completely forgotten about him as soon as they found Jean. You're right, the only other time he's mentioned is when Xavier agitates Jean by suggesting she may have killed the man she loves because she couldn't control her powers. And that is the last time anyone ever refers to him. Scott "dies" first, then Xavier. Everyone seems to feel Scott is indeed dead, but only Xavier gets a grave.

That would have been a nice screen shot to show that the students care as well.

Also with Scott yeah its like he is the leader you know, his been a X-men for a long time hell he was the first so how comes you all forget him so fast. silly writers. more like stupid lol.

[Bishop2]

For those interested, Chapter 21 of "The Fires of Resurrection" is finally up.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2979669/1/

[cyke93]

xavier wasn't his particular self in the movie. he was a lot more darker in x3. i sort of liked it but they really didn't get into the issue as to why. he sort of just became a jerk all of a sudden. look what he does:
1. easy to dismiss cyclops in the beg. of the film (although we all know why, studio politics but lets just say that it was actually for the story)
2. lashes at logan when jean comes back to the mansion
3. dimisses cyclops but yet throws it back to jean's face at the house

[Hulkster]

To celebrate Mr Marsden's b-day. I made this manip for him and his fans.:woot:



http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/darkcykes.jpg


Dark Cykes :) Enjoy!

Wow!!! that's awesome man.:eek:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wow!!! that's awesome man.:eek:

thank you :D:woot:

[Bastila]

For those interested, Chapter 21 of "The Fires of Resurrection" is finally up.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2979669/1/

Thanks I have been reading that.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Aye Caramba!

Cyke belongs on page one!

[Hulkster]

You're right!

Cyke belongs on page 1!

[Bishop2]

Although I'm still not a big fan of what Whedon's done lately with his Astonishing X-Men, the latest issue features The "good" Emma Frost seemingly bringing Scott out of his coma so he can go and kick the ass of the "evil" Emma.

But the big news is that Emma's work on his subconcious was successful - Scott can now control his optic blasts without a visor or glasses, and is walking around like a normal dude.

[triplefive]

Although I'm still not a big fan of what Whedon's done lately with his Astonishing X-Men, the latest issue features The "good" Emma Frost seemingly bringing Scott out of his coma so he can go and kick the ass of the "evil" Emma.

But the big news is that Emma's work on his subconcious was successful - Scott can now control his optic blasts without a visor or glasses, and is walking around like a normal dude.
That seems like a lot of speculation to me... he used a gun on the last page, not his lasers. And I didn't get the impression that "good" Emma woke up him from anything, everyone has been recovering on their own, just over time.

[Hulkster]

I'm not so sure if making Cyclops control his powers is a good idea because now they will dispose off his sunglass & visor and it will make him look like a normal dude.

[Bishop2]

That seems like a lot of speculation to me... he used a gun on the last page, not his lasers. And I didn't get the impression that "good" Emma woke up him from anything, everyone has been recovering on their own, just over time.

Eh, I haven't even been reading it, I'm just going by what I read on some of my communities. I gave up on that book a while back.

[triplefive]

I'm sure that if he is indeed able to control his powers, someone will retcon it a few issues after Whedon leaves. Marvel needs to be able to sell Cyclops toys.

But yeah, he's just a normal guy without them... like in my avatar, or in the Astonishing thread squeekness scanned the last page, and if you check out the Marvel website for the issue 19 cover.

[triplefive]

Eh, I haven't even been reading it, I'm just going by what I read on some of my communities. I gave up on that book a while back.
Ah, yeah, that's all just crazy speculation... nothing like what was actually on paper.

I think it's a great book. Definitely the best X-book out right now.

[Bishop2]

Ah, yeah, that's all just crazy speculation... nothing like what was actually on paper.

I think it's a great book. Definitely the best X-book out right now.

I've been annoyed with Whedon's portrayal of Kitty for a while, and what he's done with Emma and the Hellfire Club and this whole arc in general just completely lost me. I can't tolerate it anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best X-book right now because there's just so little coming out of Marvel that I can stand at the moment. I mostly blame the inanity of Civil War though, which I can't use as the problem behind X-Men. :oldrazz:

Ah well. Maybe in a year there'll be more stuff worth reading.

[triplefive]

I've been annoyed with Whedon's portrayal of Kitty for a while, and what he's done with Emma and the Hellfire Club and this whole arc in general just completely lost me. I can't tolerate it anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best X-book right now because there's just so little coming out of Marvel that I can stand at the moment. I mostly blame the inanity of Civil War though, which I can't use as the problem behind X-Men. :oldrazz:

Ah well. Maybe in a year there'll be more stuff worth reading.
I liked that he gave Kitty a bit more character. So he's showcased her a bit too much... every writer seems to have their favourite untouchable, except perhaps Morrison. Maybe Xorneto was his.

But the way Whedon writes, you kind of just have to hold on to the end to see what the eff is going on because nothing is what it seems.

I love Whedon's Emma, too... even with the recent turn to evil and whatnot, which has been explained somewhat.

[Bishop2]

I liked that he gave Kitty a bit more character. So he's showcased her a bit too much... every writer seems to have their favourite untouchable, except perhaps Morrison. Maybe Xorneto was his.

Hee. Xorneto.

But seriously, I don't think he gave Kitty more character, he just made her dumber and a lot more obnoxiously self-righteous. The former "perceptive genius" girl who doesn't seem to really be much of a genius at all anymore and certainly not very perceptive about people. I did love, however, when the guys behind Phoenix: Endsong took the new portrayal of Kitty to its logical extreme by having her reach into Emma's chest, grab her by the heart and threaten to murder her. Hilarious. That's pretty much the modern never-think-things-through, act-superior-&-hateful Kitty going about as far as she can go without just turning full-on evil. :cwink:

[triplefive]

Yeah, they've made her more impulsive, but they've also made her less boring and way more kick-ass... and she's still the "tech" brain of the team. She isn't acting superior as much as she just truly hates Emma and will never accept what she did when Kitty first joined the X-Men. She doesn't act that way to anyone else.

[Bishop2]

That bugs me a little bit, just because it's not like she's been known to hold, say, Rogue's past against her. The X-Men do have a habit of hiring on reformed villians... like, a LOT. Still, I guess the encounter with the Hellfire club back in the Dark Phoenix era was rather formative for her.

[Hugh'sMrs]

I'm sure that if he is indeed able to control his powers, someone will retcon it a few issues after Whedon leaves. Marvel needs to be able to sell Cyclops toys.

But yeah, he's just a normal guy without them... like in my avatar, or in the Astonishing thread squeekness scanned the last page, and if you check out the Marvel website for the issue 19 cover.

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.

Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals. :yay:

[Bastila]

You know those spoilers are so tempting as i haven't read the latest issue haven't been able to get it yet lol.

Cyke with out glasses that would be strange for a while.

[triplefive]

You know those spoilers are so tempting as i haven't read the latest issue haven't been able to get it yet lol.

Cyke with out glasses that would be strange for a while.
That's a great avatar! I love the "widescreen" ones.

[Bastila]

That's a great avatar! I love the "widescreen" ones.

thanks heres the GIF - http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/TimeForce/x-men2.gif

[ntcrawler]

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.


One of those is the Grail novel. Jean, using her enhanced powers and knowledge of medicine is able to fix Scott's brain damage so that he is indeed able to control his powers, at least to turn them on and off. You're probably thinking he'd have to give up his visor, but no. He can turn his beams on and off, but his shots are clumsy and awkward. Jean helps him realize that the visor can still serve a useful purpose, as it allows him to modulate and set the power output of his beams in a way that he could never do naturally. So on a normal day, he's not Scott "blue-eyed" Summers, but on a mission, he's styll the Cyclops everyone knows. Except now, you can't make him blind by knocking the visor off his face :)


Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals. :yay:

Oh indeed. It's a shame movie companies can't swallow their pride and let them adopt one of their stories into an actual movie. It'd be far superior and far more engaging IMHO to anything those paid-by-the-script hacks come up with.

[UraniaChang]

Considering those professional, well-paid scriptwriters' doings lately, it does explain why fanfic area keeps blooming.

[CapBeerCino]

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.

I read that in more than one fanfic. I'm not a big fan of the idea though, lack of control is the essence of the character.

Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals. :yay:

Duh. ;)

[ntcrawler]

I read that in more than one fanfic. I'm not a big fan of the idea though, lack of control is the essence of the character.


Oh I agree. I suppose in a way it shows the character's growth, since control is one of the concepts on which the school is founded. Previously, Scott's only way to control his powers was to use special goggles and glasses. Now he could do it himself.

As to why it was done? Well, this was a handicap that Scott had to live with for many years and it defined him, but it was a frightening thing that he had to think about every day. Now all of a sudden Jean is back, and has enhanced powers that would let her do something about it. An advanced TK wielder with Jean's knowledge of medicine could be a powerful healer indeed, and Scott's problem became yet another opportunity for her to perform her sworn duty to heal wounds and help others. So at least in terms of being appropriate to the characters and showing them grow and evolve, I think it was handled rather nicely. It would have been wierd for Scott to be presented with this opportunity and to not allow himself the chance to take advantage of it and give his life some peace, not to mention those around him in case his glasses were to be knocked off his face (a la X1 in the train station).

But again, that doesn't mean Scott had to give up his visor. The level of pinpont accuracy and control that allowed him to blow holes in mountains or gently nudge billiard balls around could only be made possible by skillful use of his visor, so he was most certainly not going to get rid of that. Jean insisted :)

[ntcrawler]

Considering those professional, well-paid scriptwriters' doings lately, it does explain why fanfic area keeps blooming.

There are some that make me cringe, yes. Like a sequel story that shows Jean walking around blindfolded because her telepathy is "too strong" and Scott's there with her, and as a way of relieving stress he's matter of factly blasting trees and branches as they walk. :o

And on the other side of the spectrum, there are novels such as Grail, Echo, Accidental Interception of Fate, Rebirth and Awakenings (yes, full length novels), that once you read them, you'll look down with disgust at Penn and Kinberg's idea of what an X3 should be about. You'll feel spoiled and your standard raised so high if you enjoyed those stories that you won't be able to look at future Hollywood projects the same way again.

[Hugh'sMrs]

One of those is the Grail novel. Jean, using her enhanced powers and knowledge of medicine is able to fix Scott's brain damage so that he is indeed able to control his powers, at least to turn them on and off. You're probably thinking he'd have to give up his visor, but no. He can turn his beams on and off, but his shots are clumsy and awkward. Jean helps him realize that the visor can still serve a useful purpose, as it allows him to modulate and set the power output of his beams in a way that he could never do naturally. So on a normal day, he's not Scott "blue-eyed" Summers, but on a mission, he's styll the Cyclops everyone knows. Except now, you can't make him blind by knocking the visor off his face :)



Oh indeed. It's a shame movie companies can't swallow their pride and let them adopt one of their stories into an actual movie. It'd be far superior and far more engaging IMHO to anything those paid-by-the-script hacks come up with.

I know it wasn't Grail by Minisinoo because I haven't read that (sorry, not a fan of Scott and Jean as a couple) I have read a couple of her stories though and you're right, she's far better than the X3 hacks.

The studios should do themselves a favor and scout the fanfic writers.

Although Wolverine and Rogue are not my One True Pair, I do read stories featuring that pairing because those authors are amongst the best in the fanfic world. Although lately there's been quite a bit of repetitive drivel as a lot of the better authors have lost interest in the fandom. But even some of the worst stories in that shipdom are still better than what Kinberg and Penn farted out and had the nerve to call a screenplay. :yay:

[UraniaChang]

There are some that make me cringe, yes. Like a sequel story that shows Jean walking around blindfolded because her telepathy is "too strong" and Scott's there with her, and as a way of relieving stress he's matter of factly blasting trees and branches as they walk. :o


Well, since those fanfic writers aren't making any money out of them, I will say that these kind of stories are still acceptable, though I may not like them very much. But what really amazes me is that with all those terrible stories these scriptwriters come up with like what they did in X3, they can still make a living by writing scripts.
The filmdom must be really tolerant and relented.

[Hades]

James Marsden's arms have more hair on them then my legs:wow:

I thought Wolverine was supposed to be the hairy but, yet cyclops is the hairiest.

[triplefive]

thanks heres the GIF - http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/TimeForce/x-men2.gif
thanks :)

[CapBeerCino]

Although Wolverine and Rogue are not my One True Pair, I do read stories featuring that pairing because those authors are amongst the best in the fanfic world.

*cringe* No offence - but I never got that. Movieverse Rogue and Wolverine :huh:

To each his own, I guess :)

[Hugh'sMrs]

*cringe* No offence - but I never got that. Movieverse Rogue and Wolverine :huh:

To each his own, I guess :)

It's certainly more plausible than Wolverine/Storm or Wolverine/Scott or Wolverine/random extra.

I don't have a movieverse couples preference, but I do like Scott and Emma in the comics because the Scott/Jean drama has been beaten to death. Talk about cringeworthy.

[CapBeerCino]

It's certainly more plausible than Wolverine/Storm or Wolverine/Scott or Wolverine/random extra.


I donno. I think Logan would have tried his luck with each of the above before making a move on a minor... But I guess a good author could make it work, I never tried reading this pairing I must admit.

[Vilya]

New DVD promo.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6864/cyclopsleaderdd2.jpg

[CapBeerCino]

^^^ I think I'm gonna cry...

Is that fan-art btw? Scott's legs looked maniped to death...

[Hugh'sMrs]

I donno. I think Logan would have tried his luck with each of the above before making a move on a minor... But I guess a good author could make it work, I never tried reading this pairing I must admit.

In most of the stories Rogue is already an adult (and she certainly was by the third film so that's canon)

Even if she wasn't, Wolverine is a character with a shady past, who wouldn't let legalities influence his behavior. :cwink:

The decision to pair Ashmore's Bobby with prepubscent looking Ellen Page's Kitty was far worse than imagining 24 year old Paquin and 37 year old Jackman as a couple.

You should check out the Wolverine and Rogue stories because some (although not all of them) are pretty good. Look for authors who posted stories from 2001 to 2004. Some of the newer authors are merely rehashing storylines that have done better by the veterans. Even some of the worst fanfics are still better than what Kinberg and Penn puked up and tried to pass off as faithful to the first two films. :whatever:

[CapBeerCino]

In most of the stories Rogue is already an adult (and she certainly was by the third film so that's canon)

Just to set the record staright - the third movie is not the canon! :o

(In many fics the disclaimer reads 'belongs to fox, btw the third movie didn't happen' :D)

The fics you're referring to are at XMMFF?

[ntcrawler]

^^^ Well yeah, that's because for years stories have been written, including feature length novels which tie in beautifully and support everything we see in X1 and X2. Same with the alternative X3's. And then the last stand comes along and torpedoe's everything, including the first 2 films. So who really messed up here when it comes to continuity :)

[Hugh'sMrs]

Just to set the record staright - the third movie is not the canon! :o

(In many fics the disclaimer reads 'belongs to fox, btw the third movie didn't happen' :D)

The fics you're referring to are at XMMFF?

Yeah I think we'd all like to have selective amnesia when it comes to the third film. :woot:

I probably read fics on that site. Isn't that a general X-Men site? There are a couple of sites devoted specifically to that pairing. WolverineandRogue.com and DolphinHaven.com(?) You might wanna seach AdultFanFiction.net and FanFiction.net as well. It's been a while since I read any fanfics as the best authors seem to have retired and it's mostly rehashed drivel lately. The interest in the fandom was already waning in the months leading up to X3's debut and it's only gotten worse since.

I tried to get interested in the Superman Returns fandom, but I don't like Lois with either Clark/Superman or Richard White. :csad:

[MsNatchios]

New DVD promo.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6864/cyclopsleaderdd2.jpg
A single tear just rolled down my cheek at the sight of this. Beautiful. Just beautiful. *does the slow clap*

[Radagast_Prime]

New DVD promo.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6864/cyclopsleaderdd2.jpg

Is that a manip? Thats the way it should have been.:cmad:

[ntcrawler]

New DVD promo.


Fantastic work, Vilya! Hey btw, do you think you might be able to do a slight manip of that manip? Just a little adjustment of the taglines?

[CapBeerCino]

Fantastic work, Vilya! Hey btw, do you think you might be able to do a slight manip of that manip? Just a little adjustment of the taglines?

So it is a manip? So much better looking than the official half assed 'art' they've been throwing att us.

[ntcrawler]

^^^ It has to be a manip. With the current political climate at FOX, there's no way they'd put Cyclops front and center (as the rightful team leader) and Wolverine behind him. That would be blasphemy.

[gap5ewl]

It is a manip, that's a pic of Cyke from X2 I posted a while ago. It's beautiful though *sheds a tear* DAMN YOU FOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CapBeerCino]

there's no way they'd put Cyclops front and center (as the rightful team leader) and Wolverine behind him.

It looks so right though :csad:

[ntcrawler]

It looks so right though :csad:

It does. It really does. Fortunately we're blessed to have talented manippers who are willing to fix things and do the things that FOX should have, but doesn't have the heart or guts to.

Proof that it's a good thing to take things too seriously :)

Long live the fans!

[jcykeson]

one thing i wished for that picture above.. push wolvie and storm a lil to the back, and i'll be happy camper....hehe :P

[jcykeson]

sigh, Cyke received tremendous amount of respect elsewhere except for the movies.. my kid cousin only plays as cyclops in the arcade game X-men vs Streetfigther... and mind you he's the character that can single handedly own everyone..

[Bishop2]

sigh, Cyke received tremendous amount of respect elsewhere except for the movies.. my kid cousin only plays as cyclops in the arcade game X-men vs Streetfigther... and mind you he's the character that can single handedly own everyone..

Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:

[UraniaChang]

Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:

Like I said in the other thread, these Wolverine-obsessed writers do need a shrink.
Recovering from Nothingness? That's simply illogical. Why can't these people just face it that even if they make Wolverine so invincible they still won't be able to make him less cloyed?

And Bishop, chapter 21 is good, keep up the good work!:yay:

[LadyVader]

Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:

Look at those red eyes man. Wolverine is a stinkin terminator. :whatever:

[Bastila]

Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:


I saw that, i think its getting stupid and ridiculous as well, its impossible all his insides are gone proble well some and his still there, its stupid just like the end of X3, in X2 he gets shot in the head and it takes him 3-5 mins to heal and in X3 what he healed in under 1 sec lol, its silly.

[Hulkster]

New DVD promo.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6864/cyclopsleaderdd2.jpg

That should be the cover for X3.:( I HATE FOX!!!:mad:

[Nibune]

Awesome new poster i love it

Side note: Wolverine's enhanced healing in X3 is explained in the book, as a side effect of Jean's powers, she amplifies others powers, thus y prof X was able to transfer mind across such great distance, not to say he couldnt do it before

[Pizzaboy1138]

Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh:

Oh right ... :down :down :down

[ntcrawler]

Side note: Wolverine's enhanced healing in X3 is explained in the book, as a side effect of Jean's powers, she amplifies others powers, thus y prof X was able to transfer mind across such great distance, not to say he couldnt do it before

Nice try, but that is obviously a duct-tape approach by Clarement to cover Penn and Kinberg's asses because they screwed up and he knew it. I want to hear Penn and Kinberg's explanation for this. Oh wait, they don't have one. And we all know it's silly. Look at the above post by Bishop2. Wolverine surviving an atomic bomb, ALL hes flesh being burned off. How do you explain that? Was Jean there to loan him some of her amazing powers to help him heal too?

Let's be clear on something. Jean is a TK wielder and telepath. Nothing about her abilities would make it possible for her to "loan" her powers to make another mutant stronger. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. The writers establish her as such, and end up contradicting themselves in the movie. She is not a battery that another mutant can plug into. She can heal wounds, she can read or control minds, and she can move objects around (both large objects and molecular-level objects now), but as such there is nothing about her powers that would give her the ability to make another mutant's powers stronger.

This is what ticks me off. We realize that this is out of character and an abuse of Wolverine's abilities. Just like we recognize that our other favorite characters have their flaws and limitations. But in the case of Wolverine, some people just use this as evidence to show how cool he is. The more impossible things he survives, the more that is treated as an example of how awsome the character is. And tha't's just wrong. People accused me of unfairly bringing up Storm's abilities to that of the Phoenix. Well, these people are certainly unfairly bringing up Wolverine's abilities to that of God.

That comic scene above and the battle in X3 is a perfect real-life illustration when you play a game and punch in the cheat code to make your character invulnerable :D

[jcykeson]

funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...

[triplefive]

funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...
technically there's no way to kill Wolverine in the comics right now.

[ntcrawler]

funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...

What about drowning or gas? He needs to breathe, does he not?

[Bishop2]

funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...

Wouldn't work. His head would regenerate, and you couldn't cut it off anyway because of the adamantium spine.

[Bishop2]

What about drowning or gas? He needs to breathe, does he not?

He can go without breathing for an indeterminate amount of time - his healing factor will allow his lungs to expel water/gas and oxygenate as soon as they're back in fresh air.

He's pretty much unkillable now.

[ntcrawler]

He can go without breathing for an indeterminate amount of time - his healing factor will allow his lungs to expel water/gas and oxygenate as soon as they're back in fresh air.

He's pretty much unkillable now.

So where's the drama? Where's the sense of suspense or danger? You now have a character who's on par with Saint of Killers. You bury him under a mountain or drop a Nuke on him? It'll just piss him off.

[gap5ewl]

Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/godlike.jpg). On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:

Yeah Wolverine is becoming a VERY overrated character which sucks because he used to be so cool...

[Bastila]

What about drowning or gas? He needs to breathe, does he not?

I hope he dies in the comics soon, i would buy that issue just to see him die really lol.

His become a joke now.

[CapBeerCino]

I hope he dies in the comics soon, i would buy that issue just to see him die really lol.

His become a joke now.

Who knows - maybe he'll die in the spin-off. Are Penn and Kinsberg still writing? :D

[ntcrawler]

Who knows - maybe he'll die in the spin-off. Are Penn and Kinsberg still writing? :D

But that wouldn't make any sense! How could he die in a spin-off that's supposed to be a prequ- oh wait never mind. If Penn and Kinberg are writing it, then it's fair game :)

[CapBeerCino]

But that wouldn't make any sense! How could he die in a spin-off that's supposed to be a prequ-

Quit nitpicking!
I'm sure one of Jean's abilities could take care of such a minor plot hole. :o :oldrazz:

oh wait never mind. If Penn and Kinberg are writing it, then it's fair game

Somewhere in L.A those two are taking notes :woot:

[jcykeson]

I thought in Xavier's files (in case the mutants were mind controlled...etc..) it says to kill Wolverine, we need to chop his head off?

[Loganbabe]

Why am I not surprised that this thread is mostly a "c´mon everybody, let´s bash Wolverine!" :rolleyes:
It´s ridiculous that so many Cyke fans can´t seem to defend or praise their favorite character without trashing Wolverine...

[gap5ewl]

well "loganbabe", ill say this..no we dont trash wolverine however, we all feel that because of wolverine, cyclops screentime was diminished especially in x3 since fox believes jackman is a bigger star and that wolverine is more popular. I think that is a very valid reason as to why Wolverine is braught up so much.

[MilkmanDan]

Why am I not surprised that this thread is mostly a "c´mon everybody, let´s bash Wolverine!" :rolleyes:
It´s ridiculous that so many Cyke fans can´t seem to defend or praise their favorite character without trashing Wolverine...

Don't take it too seriously. It's fun to gripe about Ol' Canucklehead's omnipresence and recent godlike healing powers. However, in my experience most Cyclops fans also like, or at least appreciate, a well-written Logan as an interesting character in his own right and as a great friend/rival for Cyke.

[Iceman]

I love the scene in Astonishing X-Men when Cyke blows the Sentinel away and Wolvie comes out with something along the lines of "times like this I remember why you're the boss". They're best when they're portrayed as fierce rivals with a lot of respect for each other.

[X-Maniac]

Nice try, but that is obviously a duct-tape approach by Clarement to cover Penn and Kinberg's asses because they screwed up and he knew it. I want to hear Penn and Kinberg's explanation for this. Oh wait, they don't have one. And we all know it's silly. Look at the above post by Bishop2. Wolverine surviving an atomic bomb, ALL hes flesh being burned off. How do you explain that? Was Jean there to loan him some of her amazing powers to help him heal too?

Let's be clear on something. Jean is a TK wielder and telepath. Nothing about her abilities would make it possible for her to "loan" her powers to make another mutant stronger. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. The writers establish her as such, and end up contradicting themselves in the movie. She is not a battery that another mutant can plug into. She can heal wounds, she can read or control minds, and she can move objects around (both large objects and molecular-level objects now), but as such there is nothing about her powers that would give her the ability to make another mutant's powers stronger.

This is what ticks me off. We realize that this is out of character and an abuse of Wolverine's abilities. Just like we recognize that our other favorite characters have their flaws and limitations. But in the case of Wolverine, some people just use this as evidence to show how cool he is. The more impossible things he survives, the more that is treated as an example of how awsome the character is. And tha't's just wrong. People accused me of unfairly bringing up Storm's abilities to that of the Phoenix. Well, these people are certainly unfairly bringing up Wolverine's abilities to that of God.

That comic scene above and the battle in X3 is a perfect real-life illustration when you play a game and punch in the cheat code to make your character invulnerable :D


The novel does add some explanations... and some of it might be duct-taping in the sense of Claremont answering questions he had when putting the novel together.

As for the Phoenix's power intensifying other mutants' powers, it's plausible but never heard of before except in a comicbook story where Rachel Summers used her TK to boost someone's powers.
If Jean has powers of mind over matter, of giving an object energy that become kinetic energy, then that object's molecules would have more energy, chemical reactions would be speeded up, metabolism would be increased, mutant powers would also be enhanced. It's plausible...but I know it's not clear in the movie..

The novel also says that in the final showdown, Magneto's electromagnetic fields and Pyro's intense heat are disrupting Storm's weather-control, as the atmosphere above the island is fried by heat and EM fields. She does manage to draw fog off the water but that's about it, and you can see they make her do it with some visible concentration. However, the movie doesn't make it clear that her weather control is limited and we are left wondering why a woman who pulled down a swarm of tornadoes in X2 does so little in the final battle.

However, the characters' powers are always conveniently used. Why did Storm wait so long before lashing out against Toad in X1? Why didn't she herself fly up to the mutation machine? Why didn't she summon winds to slow the X-jet's descent in X2 (she did this in the comics in a Magneto story), why didn't she try to slow or halt the water at the end of X2? Answer - because the plot required that she did nothing so that others could have their moment instead. Storm is like Jean - so powerful that they have to have moments where she does nothing!

[AznBABYBANDIT]

okay guys... this is a cyc thread... and if you want... go to comics and start a new
"The Official Jesus-Logan Thread"

[jcykeson]

Eh, i thot Jean did magnify Cyclops optic blast in one of the comics?

[ntcrawler]

However, the characters' powers are always conveniently used. Why did Storm wait so long before lashing out against Toad in X1? Why didn't she herself fly up to the mutation machine? Why didn't she summon winds to slow the X-jet's descent in X2 (she did this in the comics in a Magneto story), why didn't she try to slow or halt the water at the end of X2? Answer - because the plot required that she did nothing so that others could have their moment instead. Storm is like Jean - so powerful that they have to have moments where she does nothing!

Actually there is a rather simple explanation for why Storm didn't hold back the waters in X2. Because Jean got to them first. Storm was in the pilot's seat with Scott, focusing on getting the plane airborne. Jean was behind them and in a position where she didn't have anything to do at the moment. So she seized the opportunity. She simply got to address the situation first. As to why Storm wasn't able to use her powers then so Jean wouldn't have to or to save Jean? Again, simple. Because Jean wouldn't let them. Just like she wouldn't let Scott get to her, or anyone else from helping her. There are about 20 different ways that Jean could have been saved, but she prevented anyone from saving her. Yes, Storm is quite powerful but she wasn't standing still doing nothing because the writers wanted her to stand still. It was because Jean wouldn't let her. Now was that cowardly and selfish of Jean? Yes it was. But that was the whole point.

And it only helped to add to Cyke's agony knowing that not only Jean was going to die, but that she was purposely holding everyone back, preventing them from even trying to rescue her. That's gotta hurt. That's the kind of thing that will haunt you for the rest of your life, and you'll never be able to move on from.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

OMG thats the perfect poster. I mean storm and logan are where they belong,the back, and scott is where he belongs the front of course.

[Loganbabe]

Don't take it too seriously. It's fun to gripe about Ol' Canucklehead's omnipresence and recent godlike healing powers. However, in my experience most Cyclops fans also like, or at least appreciate, a well-written Logan as an interesting character in his own right and as a great friend/rival for Cyke.
Fair enough. And as a Wolverine fan, I appreciate as well the dynamics between Scott and Logan.
I´m not fond of "godlike healing powers" as well, but at least one of the writers promised to explain about it soon...

[Loganbabe]

double post

[Retroman]

Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.

We have just reviewed the UK 2-disc copy, and the DTS 6.1 discrete mix is amazing. Curiously, on one of the documentaries where James Marsden goes into a comedic rant with a number of "F" words, one is unbleep and the others censored. This obviously has to do with the BBFC only allowing one of them into a "12" certificate.
Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2

[Verlin]

funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...

I think a new head would grow...you know like the heads from that guy in men in black? creepy...XD

[Bastila]

Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.

We have just reviewed the UK 2-disc copy, and the DTS 6.1 discrete mix is amazing. Curiously, on one of the documentaries where James Marsden goes into a comedic rant with a number of "F" words, one is unbleep and the others censored. This obviously has to do with the BBFC only allowing one of them into a "12" certificate.

Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2

Cool lol. Be intersting to see.

[triplefive]

Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.


Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2
Boo, it'll be a while before that gets to North America

Sounds intriguing though :)

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

I cant stant the fact that its halle and hugh's names on the cover.

[flavio_lebeau]

I cant stant the fact that its halle and hugh's names on the cover.
Whose names did you want? Rebecca Romijn and James Marsden, or Ben Foster and Ellen Page? :huh: Hugh and Halle are the most known actors of this franchise, and face it, lots of people only go to the cinemas to see them.


edit: damn, i just realized i posted this on the Cyclops thread. *runs* :p

[hue]

OMG thats the perfect poster. I mean storm and logan are where they belong,the back, and scott is where he belongs the front of course.

Someone should enlarge that poster to full size, make a thousand copies and post it all over hollywood.

[hue]

Better yet, if there are going to be any dvd release publicity events, someone should take a couple posters there and put them up or at least hand them out to fans.

[Vilya]

^^^ I think I'm gonna cry...

Is that fan-art btw? Scott's legs looked maniped to death...

You have a good eye Cap, its a manip and the legs are the most difficult part :) I saw the original promo and thought it looked so wrong, had to do somethin about it.


Fantastic work, Vilya! Hey btw, do you think you might be able to do a slight manip of that manip? Just a little adjustment of the taglines?

Text manip is not my specialty, what do u have in mind? :)

[AznBABYBANDIT]

sorry ima late, nice poster find vilya... but looked really maniped... cuz itsa a X2 shooter

[Vilya]

Thanks, AznBB. Would have been great to use the original cyclops walking pic but it was really small ...

[ntcrawler]

Text manip is not my specialty, what do u have in mind? :)

Oh! THat wasn't the original text? I thought that was something you added yourself at the top of the poster too instead of rearranging a few characters around :)

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Whose names did you want? Rebecca Romijn and James Marsden, or Ben Foster and Ellen Page? :huh: Hugh and Halle are the most known actors of this franchise, and face it, lots of people only go to the cinemas to see them.


edit: damn, i just realized i posted this on the Cyclops thread. *runs* :p

Thats a really good question let me think..... Maybe Famke. Does she not deserve it more then anyone with her fabulous acting. Or magneto. The bad guys? I meanb come on I get sick of them in every damn cover even in x1 and x2 when halle has like the smallest role she was on there no offence to her...well yea but she doesnt deserve to be on there at all.

[flavio_lebeau]

Thats a really good question let me think..... Maybe Famke. Does she not deserve it more then anyone with her fabulous acting. Or magneto. The bad guys? I meanb come on I get sick of them in every damn cover even in x1 and x2 when halle has like the smallest role she was on there no offence to her...well yea but she doesnt deserve to be on there at all.
she doesnt, but that is hollywood: star power counts more than good acting when it comes to credits. Halle and Hugh are the most known, and i'm not saying Halle isnt a good actress, but she hasnt shown anything in the X-movies. If it was for good acting and characters, we should certainly have Famke up there, Ian and Patrick. Still, Halle's front and center on every poster of every film.

Blah, can't blame it, she's beautiful to look at :p

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

But in x1 her name was on there and the movie was on Rogue. I mean she didnt do anything in x1 and she was on there. And Rouge is very know shes won an oscar to so...

[flavio_lebeau]

But in x1 her name was on there and the movie was on Rogue. I mean she didnt do anything in x1 and she was on there. And Rouge is very know shes won an oscar to so...
Anna won an Oscar, but she was pretty unknown before Rogue. Halle, despite her Oscar and mainly after it, was already known and famous. Im not saying Halle should be there in front in X1. But its perfectly understandable why she's there. Also, Storm, agree you or not, is the most known and loved female character of the X-men.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Excuse me? Sorry. It just really gets me mad when people try to asume who the fans like better. SO your telling me if we go around the world and ask people who tehy like better they will all say Storm. Thatsa stupid qquestion if you ask me. I read anarticle that said she was one of the most know and loved x girls untill the phoenix. so lets leave that aside, Because i really dont care who is know more or loved more even if its Famke. You cant state other peoples opinions in your thoughts.

[flavio_lebeau]

Excuse me? Sorry. It just really gets me mad when people try to asume who the fans like better. SO your telling me if we go around the world and ask people who tehy like better they will all say Storm. Thatsa stupid qquestion if you ask me. I read anarticle that said she was one of the most know and loved x girls untill the phoenix. so lets leave that aside, Because i really dont care who is know more or loved more even if its Famke. You cant state other peoples opinions in your thoughts.
well, as i have said before, Phoenix might be the most loved in USA, but worldwide, ask most peeople who Storm is and ask who Phoenix is: Phoenix is rather known as a bird, not as Jean Grey. Storm is the first black heroine, and to everyone i have eveer asked at least in my country, really few people even know Phoenix. But everybody knows Storm. And most love her power.

Im not saying who the fans[/b like better. Im saying who [b]general audience likes better, and face it, these movies arent made for fans. We dont pay their bills, the general audience does. And those who arent familiar with X-men ddo know Storm and Logan.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Ok so i tried it. I went outside for a sec and someone was walking by. I asked them "DO you know who storm is" You know what they said. "what storm" tehy thought i was talking about a a weather storm that was coming.Then I asked them who the phoenix was, tehy said it was a magicanl bird with unlimited power, and then i said is taht it and the guy next to the girl said theres also a comic character called Phoenix.

[flavio_lebeau]

Ok so i tried it. I went outside for a sec and someone was walking by. I asked them "DO you know who storm is" You know what they said. "what storm" tehy thought i was talking about a a weather storm that was coming.Then I asked them who the phoenix was, tehy said it was a magicanl bird with unlimited power, and then i said is taht it and the guy next to the girl said theres also a comic character called Phoenix.
and i tried too: i went to the streets and asked 5 people who was "Tempestade" and who was "Fênix". They knew who Tempestade was, but they thought Fênix was a fire bird. So? :p
We will never be able to make good statistic numbers. It is MY opinion and the moviemakers' that Storm is more appealing to general audiences, thats why Halle is up front every where.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Ok so theres obviously different numbers in different places. But it doesnt matter because thas really stupid. It doesnt matter to me whos know or loved more. It gets me mad when other people try to answer for the entire world instead of themselves. And phoenix is the name of a fire bird. So why dont you go back outside and say do you know who jean grey is and then ask someone else do you know who storm is. Ask different people because if you ask one person both by the time you say whos storm their going to know ur talking about x men from the first question.

[Goddessreicho]

Have anyone here actually taken a sample of 500 people from different major cities of the Northeast US (Philadelphia, New York and Baltimore) and asked the same question using pictures from the comic books? I have.

It was statisically amazing. Storm was reconized by 93% of random passerbys. The fox marketing team did something smart by putting Halle on the cover of the dvd's and poster's in x1 and x2 since she had scored a very good contract with Revolon. Was it the right thing to do? No. But it worked. Many people went to see that movie who could care less about the x-men.

It was a project for my socialogy class. And we didn't ask names. We held up pictures and asked "Who is this and who is this?"

Mardsen was really short changed. He should have been more prominent in the marketing. Since X1 was the only movie he was in the magority it.

[flavio_lebeau]

Ok so theres obviously different numbers in different places. But it doesnt matter because thas really stupid. It doesnt matter to me whos know or loved more. It gets me mad when other people try to answer for the entire world instead of themselves. And phoenix is the name of a fire bird. So why dont you go back outside and say do you know who jean grey is and then ask someone else do you know who storm is. Ask different people because if you ask one person both by the time you say whos storm their going to know ur talking about x men from the first question.
lol, waht i mean is: no matter how many thousands of people i ask, it will never be a good statistic!

and sorry, i see we have different opinion. Im not saying that the fans like more Storm than Jean, im saying that the general audience is more familiar to Storm, worldwide. So this discussion is pretty stupid, and this is Cyke's thread. I'm going to watch a program on Tv, see ya.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Lol yea lets get back to cyclops.

[Goddessreicho]

Is it because this argument has no merit because of the obvious? Dern.

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Huh?

[flavio_lebeau]

Is it because this argument has no merit because of the obvious? Dern.
lol

[cyke93]

Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.


Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2



he'll prolly has more screen time there than in the movie itself

[DarknessOfDeath]

who wants to play X-Men games?? eh? Go to the X-World forum. if your bored...please come play :)

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Whats the link.

[vanillacyke]

This is still absolute B.S. F*** fox and rothman may they burn in hell and suck the ***** of burnt ****-headed demons!!! I'll set them all a-flame if I ever get the chance!

[Vilya]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/940/cyke12np2.jpg
Just a simple manip.

[flavio_lebeau]

awesome

[Vilya]

Thanks, Flavio.:cwink:

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

This is still absolute B.S. F*** fox and rothman may they burn in hell and suck the ***** of burnt ****-headed demons!!! I'll set them all a-flame if I ever get the chance!


Can i help?

[Pizzaboy1138]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/940/cyke12np2.jpg
Just a simple manip.

Didn't load for me.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/940/cyke12np2.jpg
Just a simple manip.
I love it! It's awesome!

[TKing]

^Yeah it is awesome! :up:

And you could add text like: Starcrossed lovers... caught in tragedy. Or something like that.

[Bastila]

Great manip, i like them both together.

[taintedFB]

So I guess there is no alternate ending hinting Scott's survival.

Whatever their intention in X3 was, the next film can still bring him back. We need a good writer that will give James the chance to really shine...

Hopefully, Logan will have nothing more than a cameo because he'll have his own movies....so it will be Cyclops and Storm leading...as it was in the comics...

[MsNatchios]

Even X-Men Fairy Tales got right what X3 didn't. X-Men Freakin' Fairy Tales!

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3909/fairy313fp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/418/fairy314xv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4245/fairy315ob8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[storm-x-fan]

i was dissapointed bcuz of the little screen time he got!!

[Mike059jig]

Even X-Men Fairy Tales got right what X3 didn't. X-Men Freakin' Fairy Tales!

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3909/fairy313fp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/418/fairy314xv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4245/fairy315ob8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)WOW...NOW THATS A GREAT ENDING!!!!....THE WAY IT SHOULD BE..THIS IS WHY I PREFER THE COMICS OVER THE MOVIES

[Seen]

^With scissors though? C'mon.

[jcykeson]

i thought he's gonna use the scissors to cut his blindfold, and blast her to oblivion..

[jcykeson]

nevertheless, i take this more than any of the X3 crap..

[N_z0]

Cyclops loves them scissors. :D

But seriously who drew this? IGOR KORDEY!?! *YUCK*

[Verlin]

This issue of fairy tales is based on an old european story of the brothers Grimm. Here Cyke is a dressmaker and Jean somewhat of a sleeping princess who is awoken by him.
That's why he kills her with scissors.

[storm-x-fan]

This issue of fairy tales is based on an old european story of the brothers Grimm. Here Cyke is a dressmaker and Jean somewhat of a sleeping princess who is awoken by him.
That's why he kills her with scissors.

u mean scot killed jean :huh:

[N_z0]

^ it's a "What if" comic book so it has no bearing on Marvel 616 continuity.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

it's funny 0_o

[Verlin]

u mean scot killed jean :huh:

Yes, her phoenix powers were appearing and he had no other choice.

[jcykeson]

i wished so much that Cyclops would get an origin story... u think would that sell?

[AznBABYBANDIT]

nope... it's not rly special

[Verlin]

I made something up, with one pic of the "Fairy Tales" story. Thought I should share it with you guy's

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Verlin/tale2.png

[AznBABYBANDIT]

nice, i luv it... Phoenix Jean and the seven hotties?

[Verlin]

No just, Phoenix Jean and the one darn-hot dressmaker! XD

[Pleaseforgiveme]

Some music videos about Scott and Jean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVXSx9zE5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wng4W7ixicg
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IcFDg9xTQ

[Bastila]

Ohh i love them ones, Scott and jean are so cute, I wished we had seen more of them.

[triplefive]

Has anyone capped JM in X3 yet?

[Bastila]

Oh thats a good idea? anyone? lol.

triplefive your avvy is great?
Have you got that picture in full as I would love it.

[triplefive]

I have it somewhere on my computer, but I'll just cap it from the DVD if/when I do it. I'll be better quality anyway.

[triplefive]

Bastila, check your PMs.

[xii22_loop]

i noticed, watching the scene in the infirmiry, Logan mentions Scott to Jean and she remembers rising at the lake and looks into Scott's glasses and see's a reflection of his face with his eyes closed.

i tottally didn't rmemeber seeing that in the theater

i'll get a screencap asap

[triplefive]

i noticed, watching the scene in the infirmiry, Logan mentions Scott to Jean and she remembers rising at the lake and looks into Scott's glasses and see's a reflection of his face with his eyes closed.

i tottally didn't rmemeber seeing that in the theater

i'll get a screencap asap
yeah i didn't remember that either. i don't think it's in my pirated versions either, though they might just not be clear enough to capture it. i have it capped already:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6131/35dh2.jpg

he looks like he has a dirty 'stache

[SCOTT&JEAN]

TAO Las Vegas First Anniversary Weekend - Janet Jackson Album Release Party - Red Carpet Arrivals , 10/3/2006

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3783/10690239scott2jean104200613737pmus3.jpg http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8841/10690240scott2jean104200613528pmjh6.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

...he looks different...

[SCOTT&JEAN]

yeah...I don't like his hairstyle... It's weird...

[Halcohol]

looks like he's put on a couple pounds.

[triplefive]

looks like he's put on a couple pounds.
i think it's just lighting or something.

and i think his hair is the way it is for a role still (Hairspray!)

[Bishop2]

looks like he's put on a couple pounds.

In a good way.

[Bastila]

i think it's just lighting or something.

and i think his hair is the way it is for a role still (Hairspray!)

I can't wait to see that!!

[flavio_lebeau]

i always thought Mrasden is really skinny. If you look him in the lake scene when he arrives and walks to the stone, he looks very skinny. And in those pics, his hair is in the the most cliche nerdy style possible :p but he still is a good looking guy.

[Bastila]

He has skinny legs, I noticed that in X3 but he has a nice shape though.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I love your avvy Bastila!!!! It's so sweet!

[flavio_lebeau]

He has skinny legs, I noticed that in X3 but he has a nice shape though.
exactly, when he walks in that scene i thought "i never thought Marsden had such skinny legs" :p maybe thats why i think he matches Famke so much :O Halle's and Anna's legs are the best of the franchise, honourable mention to Rebecca's. (ok, add Dania to the mix...)

[taintedFB]

Legs are generallly not a priority in a guy's workout. Chest, abs, arms, shoulders are usually ahead of legs and glutes... AS for Jimmy, I think he's kinda let himself go lately, so it's good if he's working out again. He was ripped back in movies like Gossip and Disturbing Behavior. Not so much in The Heights... It's hard to work out working in this industry. Especially, cause he has a family... Where does one find the time?

Back to Cyclops. I was a bit disappointed that none of the alternate endings hinted at Scott's survival. But as long as they don't do another X-Men film without him, I'm accepting it. His death actually doesn't happen until 40 minuites into a movie that's only an hour and a half.

[MsNatchios]

I was a bit disappointed that none of the alternate endings hinted at Scott's survival.

We can pretend with Cyclops fan vids. Pretty damn sad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJvvOa8GiE

[UraniaChang]

This movie only has an hour and half? and Scott doesn't disappear until 40 mins later?
Well, then that must be the longest (also meaningless) 50 mins I have to endure in the theater.

[DarknessOfDeath]

We can pretend with Cyclops fan vids. Pretty damn sad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJvvOa8GiE

wow. Thats the best vid i've ever seen. -sighs- Well if only Scott stuck around a little longer. :(


By the way, which super hero would you like to see James as? Who do you think he'll fit the bill?

[Halcohol]

that was a pretty cool video... I don't usually enjoy fan vids but that was really good. As for James looking thin, well, there's a reason they cast him as "Slim" :p

I don't know if I'd want to see him playing another superhero. Between X-Men and Superman Returns, I think he's probably done with superhero films... I mean I can see him reappearing in the Returns sequel, but I'd like to see him in some more diverse roles.

Jimmy's a good actor, it'd be nice to see what he can do with a solid supporting role.

[Farren]

Nice Jean/Scott vid - added to favs.

Back to Cyclops. I was a bit disappointed that none of the alternate endings hinted at Scott's survival.
I'm not surprised...the nail was in the coffin from day one of shooting - they wouldn't have wanted to 'waste' the film.

[Iceman]

This movie only has an hour and half? and Scott doesn't disappear until 40 mins later?
Well, then that must be the longest (also meaningless) 50 mins I have to endure in the theater.Such a shame :csad:

An extra hour added to the film, inserting the best of the deleted scenes and keeping the main guys alive, allowing Cyclops to lead the team in the final battle and we would have a very good film. :(

[MsNatchios]

wow. Thats the best vid i've ever seen. -sighs- Well if only Scott stuck around a little longer. :(


By the way, which super hero would you like to see James as? Who do you think he'll fit the bill?
James would be awesome as Iron Fist and Nightwing. But he was a pefrect Cyclops (albeit a tiny bit young compared to Famke, Halle and Hugh).

[gap5ewl]

James would be awesome as Iron Fist and Nightwing. But he was a pefrect Cyclops (albeit a tiny bit young compared to Famke, Halle and Hugh).
nahh. the one thing i liked about Marsden's performance was that he gave off a very mature tone to the character like he was the same age ad the others and even the glasses made him look mature. I was suprised when I first found out how old he was back in X1 cause I thaught he had to be in his mid-30's and least...which he is now.

[Vilya]

We can pretend with Cyclops fan vids. Pretty damn sad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJvvOa8GiE

Very good vid! thanks for sharing.

[WideAwake]

yeah i didn't remember that either. i don't think it's in my pirated versions either, though they might just not be clear enough to capture it. i have it capped already:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6131/35dh2.jpg

he looks like he has a dirty 'stache

Wasn't that bit in one of the promo-clips only? I don't remember seeing it in the movie either. Maybe they editted it like that to be able to show the infirmary scene, without spoiling what happened to Cyclops.
I believe it was the "where is Scott?" clip.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Very good vid! thanks for sharing.

That video is great!

[Bastila]

This movie only has an hour and half? and Scott doesn't disappear until 40 mins later?
Well, then that must be the longest (also meaningless) 50 mins I have to endure in the theater.

I thought it was likr 20 -30 mins into X3 he goes away (I prefere to think he doesn't die lol we don't see him die so he doesn't lol)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJvvOa8GiE
WOW! I love it! That's so amazing...

[taintedFB]

It was just bad storytelling... I would have rather had Scott have a small role but survive...to leave us some hope for a better part in another sequel.

His two scenes should have been Alkali Lake and the Final Battle.... Those would have made this movie great!

[Farren]

yeah i didn't remember that either. i don't think it's in my pirated versions either, though they might just not be clear enough to capture it. i have it capped already:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6131/35dh2.jpg

he looks like he has a dirty 'stache
I don't remember seeing it in the theater either.

But I found a copy of the 'where's scott' clip still on this site from before the release:
http://www.filmfocus.nl/trailers/18979-X-Men_The_Last_Stand.html

If you look very very carefully and pause it right before the camera cuts away, you can sorta see an amorphous Scott-face. It's definately not as clear as this though: maybe it's just the quality of the clip, or maybe they touched it up for the DVD.

[Halcohol]

He went to a nice farm upstate with lots of room for him to run around with all the other Cyclopses. :)

[triplefive]

He went to a nice farm upstate with lots of room for him to run around with all the other Cyclopses. :)
hahahaha, RANDOM. i miss that show so much.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Reading the Grail...and im on Scott's diary 8 ... and..wtf...am I reading? lol

[gap5ewl]

You know I noticed something while watching the movie...right after jean is kissing scott and his face starts to vibrate, it cuts to the school. The first thing we see is a close up of xavier and him suddenly in agony and closing his eyes. Then we go to the mansion and here voices all over. Well listen carefully..it's actually Xavier whispering Scott, scott...

SO this lead to a theory i made..what if Xavier was behind what happened to Scott? Let me explain..I think Xavier knew Scott was going there and realized Jean had just resurrected. He "eaves dropped" and got into her head. When phoenix realizes this, it takes over jean and she starts to phoenix up while kissing scott. Now what I think happened was once jean started to phoenix up, Xavier realized Scott was in toruble so tried his best to distract jean from destroying Scott and sent him flying instead. But somehow the shockwave interfered with Xavier, hence him looking like he is in pain, and he couldn't figure out what happened to Scott, nor does Jean...Just a theory

[Muad'Dib]

I just finished rewatching the movie.

Just as before Scott's fate is anything but certain. Something did happen to him but you don't know what.

While the writers clearly intended to kill him off as they themselves said, Ratner and co might have had second thoughts due to the negative feedback almost immediately received when it was leaked Scott was going to die.

I think this is exactly the reason why his apparent demise is not specifically seen, everything about the sequence from the image on the glasses to the conversations is an indication they suspect Scott was killed by what Jean believes, but she sure doesn't know even herself.

She didn't desintegrate him as you can see the area is all intact and everything is simply floating around. And his glasses don't vaporize into ash in the infirmary like someone claimed, Jean breaks them with her powers when she's having a meltdown trying to remember what happened and believing she must have killed him but she clearly doesn't know any better than anyone else.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I just finished rewatching the movie.

Just as before Scott's fate is anything but certain. Something did happen to him but you don't know what.

While the writers clearly intended to kill him off as they themselves said, Ratner and co might have had second thoughts due to the negative feedback almost immediately received when it was leaked Scott was going to die.

I think this is exactly the reason why his apparent demise is not specifically seen, everything about the sequence from the image on the glasses to the conversations is an indication they suspect Scott was killed by what Jean believes, but she sure doesn't know even herself.

She didn't desintegrate him as you can see the area is all intact and everything is simply floating around. And his glasses don't vaporize into ash in the infirmary like someone claimed, Jean braks them with her powers when she's having a meltdown trying to remember what happened and believing she must have killed him but she clearly doesn't know any better than anyone else.

Interesting Point.

[cyke93]

You know I noticed something while watching the movie...right after jean is kissing scott and his face starts to vibrate, it cuts to the school. The first thing we see is a close up of xavier and him suddenly in agony and closing his eyes. Then we go to the mansion and here voices all over. Well listen carefully..it's actually Xavier whispering Scott, scott...

SO this lead to a theory i made..what if Xavier was behind what happened to Scott? Let me explain..I think Xavier knew Scott was going there and realized Jean had just resurrected. He "eaves dropped" and got into her head. When phoenix realizes this, it takes over jean and she starts to phoenix up while kissing scott. Now what I think happened was once jean started to phoenix up, Xavier realized Scott was in toruble so tried his best to distract jean from destroying Scott and sent him flying instead. But somehow the shockwave interfered with Xavier, hence him looking like he is in pain, and he couldn't figure out what happened to Scott, nor does Jean...Just a theory

very interesting post. i havent watched the dvd, nor do i plan on buying it but if my brother happens to rent it, ill make sure to listen carefully to that part.

here's what i am thinking .. they really just wanted scott dead, no questions asked.. after fan outcry they decided to edit the movie a little bit differently to give people a false sense of "hope"

1. not showing scott fully zapped was the biggest one they could do an easy edit.
2. logan and storm arrive to see everything all weirded n things floating.. look what happened when jean zaps charles.. the water from the sink was rising up . .the house was floating .. logan was pushed up against the ceiling.. clearly when phoenix demolecularizes people things float.. so all the rocks floating nscott's glasses floating means nothing about him being "alive" .. it just so happened to work with him either dying or living
3. xavier could've been in pain because he felt scott's death but hey add xavier calling "scott" and you can have conspiracy theories form

plain n simple someone in charge of x3 had a clear vendetta on either james or the character of cyclops because he wasnt the only one screwed in the movie (angel collossus rouge *ahem) but he certaintly got ******* the most

so
they shot the film (or most of the film) .. james did his part.. a huge outcry over scott's death.. no1 could do anything anymore .. u can rewrite the story, cant re do shots... so you edit the scene where scott gets whacked.. u never show a body.. u add little touches like xavier whispering "Scott"

[Mar420x]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6131/35dh2.jpg

cyke was trapped in the glasses.. and when phoenix destroyed them in the lab she killed em.. damn u fox!!!!!! im out..

[Vilya]

^Thats such a beautiful pair of Oakleys made famous by James :D every time i walk past a shop selling these i'd drool at them.

[DarknessOfDeath]

you make my mind wonder at times when u mention ... the word "drool,"

[Vilya]

>Ahem<.... well, they are just so perfect in their design you know....:cool:

[DarknessOfDeath]

same can be said about Jean's x-suit... especially in X2..and her hair style works too when its all fluttery when she moves and thrusts forward with her hand outstretched like she's going to force choke you into a wall.

[gap5ewl]

same can be said about Jean's x-suit... especially in X2..and her hair style works too when its all fluttery when she moves and thrusts forward with her hand outstretched like she's going to force choke you into a wall.
i like how you always seem to make a star wars reference when u talk about jean. lol:woot:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well... think about it, if Jean has the same abilities the Jedi do, then Jean could be a part of that force except...thats when the Phoenix 'force' comes into the picture. I don't think Jean needs a lightsaber...she can easily out do her opponent within seconds based on what we've seen her do.

[gap5ewl]

jean would kill vader, palpatine and yoda all at the same time by just blinking. She's more powerful then any jedi or sith

[DarknessOfDeath]

but if u take Jean and put her in that galaxy far far away... hell you can make Scott a Jedi with a lightsaber wearing a visor... MAN how cool is that!?! Scott as a Jedi...there u go. lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

on second thought, I'd love to see Jean distinergrate Jar Jar. haha. oh man. I can just see it happening. -laughs his head off- Its so badass, I can see her doing it. lol oh man -laughs harder- oh man...oh yeah. hahahaha. .. oh man yeah. -sighs-

Jar Jar: Mesa a gungan. Whats are yousa?

Dr. Grey: What do u think?

Jar Jar: Mesa? Yousa care what mesa thinks?

Dr. Grey: ... uh oookay. -starts walking away-

Jar Jar: -follows her- Yousa reminds mesa of annie. Hesa mesa's best friends. Oh- Theres little Annie.

Skywalker (grown man with a goatee, who is close to Jean's age) walks by them and Jean stares in his direction and bites her lower lip after seeing how attractive skywalker is.

Jar Jar: oh Don't worries about little Annie...hey waits ups!!!

Dr. Grey: You mind? -getting irritated by his presence-

Jar Jar: Did mesa ever tell yousa how mesa got rescued by grabbing that jedi and bam! Mesa here. Mesa got a grand Army....Mesa thinks yousa makes a hot Jedi... Where yousa come from? How yousa not have uh..uh a jedi sabre...did yousa come on da ship that mesa and little annie wesa on?

Dr. Grey: Bugger off. -walks faster-

Jar Jar: -pops out of no where which startles her- Mesa called Jar Jar Binks. Mesa got a grand army...Mesa wasa General of the Gungan Army.

Dr. Grey: ... oh my god...-continues to walk as Jar jar keeps babbling away while keeping up with her and its not until it starts creeping up on her, she turns around and goes Phoenix on him-

Meanwhile, Anakin is watching in awe as Jar jar Is being demolculrized while he's babbling on and on.

Jar Jar: Mesa one day went walking on a morning munchin and then bam, Mesa here...mesa made lots of friends where mesa didn't make so mesa is here, making friends. Oooh whats goings on to mesa? oooh ugh...mesa...is.. gon----na .... di----------------------------e

-KABOOM-

Jean returns to her normal self and walks off while Anakin watches on with a grin on his face, thinking... *F*** yeah!! Someone had to shut him up*

:D

[Vilya]

edit

[Decay]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6131/35dh2.jpg

cyke was trapped in the glasses.. and when phoenix destroyed them in the lab she killed em.. damn u fox!!!!!! im out..
she destroyed him before that...the glasses are the last thing left of him...

[Kurosawa]

Finally saw part of the movie, as it was playing on the screens in a local store.

It's too bad that it had a poor script and pedestrian direction because seeing Beast was wonderful. I watched up until the Cyke death scene, then walked away in disgust. It almost made me physically sick.

What a shame. It could have been good.

[TrailerCues]

Finally saw part of the movie, as it was playing on the screens in a local store.

It's too bad that it had a poor script and pedestrian direction because seeing Beast was wonderful. I watched up until the Cyke death scene, then walked away in disgust. It almost made me physically sick.

What a shame. It could have been good.

Whats even more amusing is Ratner says the scenes he cut would not help the movie when most of them definitely would

[Kurosawa]

Only thing that could help that piece of **** movie is a complete remake.

[LastSunrise1981]

Finally saw part of the movie, as it was playing on the screens in a local store.

It's too bad that it had a poor script and pedestrian direction because seeing Beast was wonderful. I watched up until the Cyke death scene, then walked away in disgust. It almost made me physically sick.

What a shame. It could have been good.

Welcome back Kuro, I was under the impression that you were gone. :csad:

But you're right. This film could've been so good and so much better, instead they(Fox) deemed it necessary to make a disappointing/mediocre film. Again, I ask the X3 supporters who call themselves true comic book fans.

IF you support the comics and love the comics, how can you accept this? How can you turn a blind eye to what they(Fox) did and accept a mediocre/disappointing closer? I'm not insulting you or insulting your tastes, but seriously, why accept a mediocre closer when it could've been great?

[ntcrawler]

Whats even more amusing is Ratner says the scenes he cut would not help the movie when most of them definitely would

Well the cut scenes would add some depth, but none of them would really change the outcome or tone of the film except for maybe the scene that shows Rogue not being cured. I mean ok, so there's a touching scene where Jean senses a frightened girl and protects her. But so what? That didn't do anything for Jean. That didn't help bring her back or shake her up or show anymore of her conflict except right there. She still goes berzerk and starts indiscriminantly killing all the bad guys and soldiers. So who cares of she spared a little girl? It doesn't affect the outcome or the way the X-Men approach and handle her, and it doesn't help bring her back. She still ends up being snikted and pushing up daisies.

[ntcrawler]

IF you support the comics and love the comics, how can you accept this? How can you turn a blind eye to what they(Fox) did and accept a mediocre/disappointing closer? I'm not insulting you or insulting your tastes, but seriously, why accept a mediocre closer when it could've been great?

I think what it comes down to is the "better than nothing" concept. IT wasn't a perfect movie, but it sure beats not having a movie. If FOX doesn't make money, then they'll consider the franchise a failure and not want to make anymore movies anyways. Truly a vicious cycle. Then again, if they make a fortune from this movie, they'll feel that maybe the audience got exactly what they wanted and keep making movies with the same parameters as this one. Definitely a difficult, vicious cycle. A catch-22 almost.

[UraniaChang]

I think what it comes down to is the "better than nothing" concept. IT wasn't a perfect movie, but it sure beats not having a movie. If FOX doesn't make money, then they'll consider the franchise a failure and not want to make anymore movies anyways. Truly a vicious cycle. Then again, if they make a fortune from this movie, they'll feel that maybe the audience got exactly what they wanted and keep making movies with the same parameters as this one. Definitely a difficult, vicious cycle. A catch-22 almost.

But I really hope that I never went to the movie (horrible experience with endless boringness except the few mins of Scott, and now my memory comes back to haunt me again coz they let out the X3 commercial on TV again), if Fox is under the impression that this Wolverine-centered X Men movie is what the audience actually wants and makes more movies like X3, I think I'd rather put up with not-having-a-movie.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Actually to come to think of it, X1 and X2 aren't really Wolverine's movies...he just happened to be there at the wrong moments at the right time... but in X3, he was more of the center than he was in the previous two. X1, in my opinion everyone had a decent amount of screentime but in X2 it was the same minus Cyclops, which by the way shouldn't have happened if Singer hadn't done what he did with him, but as far as x3 goes, Wolverine shouldn't have had the focus that he had. So X3 Really was a Wolverine movie, which should have been Cyclops's.

[gap5ewl]

she destroyed him before that...the glasses are the last thing left of him...
that was when he refused to open his eyes at first.

[DarknessOfDeath]

And just to add to my post earlier, Wolverine was at his worse in X3. In my opinion, his arc was completed in X2. Nuff said.

[My Red Sight]

I don't know. I thought he was equelly over-exposed in all movies. X1: Completely introduces him, and through him the school, the other characters, the conflict, the actions, etc, are all introduced. Everything is pretty through him. X2: Find out all about his past, his history, blah blah (I thought that was the weekest part of the movie). X3: His love for Jean. The "Wolverine Saga."

He's such a boring character to me, and so it gets annoying. Sigh.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well if you edit out the unnescessary wolvie parts, then it might not be a problem... -sighs-

[My Red Sight]

^But... but than it would be like a half an hour long.

But I would deffinatly take out the scene where Logan and Storm are talking about Logan leaving to search for Jean, and how much he loves Jean. I just hate that part. Wolverine looks like he's going to break down and start sobbing all over storms shoes, and Storm's... well she's just mean.

I miss Singer. I wish X3 was more of an X2, not inbetween X1 and X2.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well my ideas are these

Take out the forest scene of him fighting...just have him cut to making his way through the crowd.

As to his scene with Storm in the bedroom, I'd leave it in, but edit out her line regarding "But you love her."

I'd edit out Wolverine's "I love you" line.

Maybe the part of Xavier looking in logan's direction right before he explodes...

Edit the scene with Cyclops and Logan scene...make the scene focus more on Cyclops than logan...

[Aiden]

Right.

I got the DVD and after checking out the animations, they definitely pulled out of showing Scott's death. He was meant to be consumed in this yellowish light but obviously Ratner and crew listened to the fans and gave us some hope...

The movie would've been a lot better if they had kept all the deleted scenes in...and kept Scott alive

[flavio_lebeau]

well, Ratner said himslef the reason why they chose to not show Scott's death was because they wanted to keep the suspense of how her power works until the Xavier scene...so i don't think it was a "mercy act" from the crew. But it does allow the return of goo' ol' Cyke, and i hope it happens.

[taintedFB]

If nobody from the previous films returns I think we'll see Scott take a large role and alive.

Cause, seriously, you're not going to make $400 million with a movie starring Iceman, Kitty, and Colossus.

[flavio_lebeau]

I think Rogue, Cyclops, Storm and Gambit should carry the next X-movie.

[Storm22]

I think Rogue, Cyclops, Storm and Gambit should carry the next X-movie.

You couldn't forget Iceman and Kitty though. Rogue should, if she comes back, hurry up and kill/fully absorb some mutants powers though!

[flavio_lebeau]

You couldn't forget Iceman and Kitty though. Rogue should, if she comes back, hurry up and kill/fully absorb some mutants powers though!
Kitty, Iceman, Angel and Colossus come as deluxe supporting roles (just as what happened in the trilogy) :oldrazz:

without Professor, Jean and Logan, we would have time to Rogue, Storm, Cyke and Gambit shine as leading roles.