Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Iceman]

It could be so right or so wrong. ;)

I am both right & wrong

[taintedFB]

We should all take it easy. I think their blatant reveal of Cyclops' apparent death is a very clear indicator that he survives.. It'll be interesting and fun to see what's happened to him since the lake. Has he been in a coma? captured? Lost and blind in the woods? Being cared for by that bartender from X1? Who knows. But just imagine the emotional impact when amongst all the carnage at the end of the movie, and he is believed dead, he calls out to Jean and she sees him! WOW!

[Iceman]

We should all take it easy. I think their blatant reveal of Cyclops' apparent death is a very clear indicator that he survives.. It'll be interesting and fun to see what's happened to him since the lake. Has he been in a coma? captured? Lost and blind in the woods? Being cared for by that bartender from X1? Who knows. But just imagine the emotional impact when amongst all the carnage at the end of the movie, and he is believed dead, he calls out to Jean and she sees him! WOW!

I like scenarios where Cyclops is without a visor or glasses and effectively blind. He has to use his other senses / rely on teammates to survive. Whenever this has happened in the comics he has found interesting ways to overcome the problem.

[Kurosawa]

I think Logan should just get hit in the face with a stray rock and killed off.
:up:

[taintedFB]

Actually, though, I think Logan won't be the biggest player this time. This may actually be the first REAL ENSEMBLE film in the franchise.

[Iceman]

Actually, though, I think Logan won't be the biggest player this time. This may actually be the first REAL ENSEMBLE film in the franchise.

It's the first time they've all lined up ready to do battle together

That is one of the best scenes in the trailer

[TheVileOne]

Halle Berry looks like the star this time around. Well her and Jackman. With X and Magneto.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Well, tecnically, it's Dark Phoenix, not Jean... maybe it's Jean's body but it isn't her...

Dany

It's still Jean. The Phoenix wouldn't ask Logan to kill her.

[Daniella]

Yes, but Jean wouldn't kiss Logan either... remember, in X2 he kissed her and not the other way around... she was the one that choosed...

Dany

[EndlesIn]

I'm getting a bad feeling that the Pheonix is not going to be the devine deity we know, who lives in Jean. I believe they might just say Jean was powerful and she was presumed dead, and now she lives. Because of this Magneto "Code Names" her Pheonix! because to him she rouse from the ashes and is born a new. I Hope and Pray its nothing like this.

[WorthyStevens]

One way to find out if cykes live or not is read the movie tie in novel which should be out in early may or end april.

I wouldn't even trust that. X2's novelization covered up Jean's sacrifice at the end by giving it a different ending. So it's safe to say the movie's the best way to find out if he lives or not.

[lordofthenerds]

I wouldn't even trust that. X2's novelization covered up Jean's sacrifice at the end by giving it a different ending. So it's safe to say the movie's the best way to find out if he lives or not.
Wow. You wouldn't believe that Cyclops dies if you saw a picture of it would you?

[WorthyStevens]

Wow. You wouldn't believe that Cyclops dies if you saw a picture of it would you?

I'll believe he dies when I see the whole movie. ;)

[Storm22]

Wow. You wouldn't believe that Cyclops dies if you saw a picture of it would you?

We don't have a picture of it though! We're being lead to believe he dies by all accounts. That's like saying Rogue dies necause we saw her get sucked out of the X-Jet! As Magneto himself said "are you sure you saw what you saw?!"

[lordofthenerds]

We don't have a picture of it though! We're being lead to believe he dies by all accounts. That's like saying Rogue dies necause we saw her get sucked out of the X-Jet! As Magneto himself said "are you sure you saw what you saw?!"
But not only have we seen photos of indicating that Cyke will die, but we've only seen one photo of Cyke in his regular X-uniform and that was a promo pic. The rest of the pics (even the illegal ones) all have Cyke in the black jacket with a red T-shirt underneath.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Oh God!I knew that Kinberg and Penn were the script writers of X3 but i didn't know in what other films they were involved...until a few minutes ago!!Among their masterpieces of worldwide cinema are included:Charlie's Angels,Hlektra,Catwoman...I don't have anything personal with them but if those three movies aren't three of the stupiest movies of the last years then i'm an X-man!!And i was worried about Cyclops...Now, i'm starting to worry about every mutant!!From what i saw in the films i mentioned above i will not surprised if all of them die!!

[Storm22]

I just find it very odd that they're deliberately showing us so little footage of Cyclops and the footage they do show is of him seemingly facing death. I'm very suspicious about how they're choosing to market Cyclop's character. I smell a red herring and I think they're trying to build up a major twist!

[Specter313]

But not only have we seen photos of indicating that Cyke will die, but we've only seen one photo of Cyke in his regular X-uniform and that was a promo pic. The rest of the pics (even the illegal ones) all have Cyke in the black jacket with a red T-shirt underneath.

NONE of those pictures say anything about him dying, why do you keep saying otherwise? Do any of the pictures have him in any kind of peril or in the path of any bodily harm? No.

[Specter313]

Oh God!I knew that Kinberg and Penn were the script writers of X3 but i didn't know in what other films they were involved...until a few minutes ago!!Among their masterpieces of worldwide cinema are included:Charlie's Angels,Hlektra,Catwoman...I don't have anything personal with them but if those three movies aren't three of the stupiest movies of the last years then i'm an X-man!!And i was worried about Cyclops...Now, i'm starting to worry about every mutant!!From what i saw in the films i mentioned above i will not surprised if all of them die!!

There's already one place to *****, take it there.

[WorthyStevens]

But not only have we seen photos of indicating that Cyke will die, but we've only seen one photo of Cyke in his regular X-uniform and that was a promo pic. The rest of the pics (even the illegal ones) all have Cyke in the black jacket with a red T-shirt underneath.

How does that show he dies again? :confused:

Angel's only shown in blue jeans... that must mean he dies?

[Storm22]

It's all speculation right now folks, CRRRRRAAAAZY speculation!

[lordofthenerds]

NONE of those pictures say anything about him dying, why do you keep saying otherwise? Do any of the pictures have him in any kind of peril or in the path of any bodily harm? No.
I think I would get hurt if I flew in the air and I fell hard on a rock.
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[Storm22]

It's a movie lordofthenerds! In reality that fall might kill someone but certain leberties are taken in the movies. Heck in X2 he was probably thrown further when Jean deflected his optic blast!

[WorthyStevens]

Hurt, not dead.

[Specter313]

I think I would get hurt if I flew in the air and my head hit hard on a rock.
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Oooh, he's falling against a rock. He must have died from that! :rolleyes: That's very far from anything that says he dies.

[lordofthenerds]

It's a movie lordofthenerds! In reality that fall might kill someone but certain leberties are taken in the movies. Heck in X2 he was probably thrown further when Jean deflected his optic blast!
He said peril or harm. Yes, he does come to harm and yes he does get hurt. Also the trailers have confirmed that may be no sign of Cyke at the lake front and Wolverine finds Cyke's glasses in the air.

[The Original Bamfer]

I think I would get hurt if I flew in the air and I fell hard on a rock.
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Well, if you assume he dies from those pictures - he must not. they wouldn't give away a major character's death...

[lordofthenerds]

Well, if you assume he dies from those pictures - he must not. they wouldn't give away a major character's death...
Read post above.^

[The Punisher]

It's all speculation.

[lordofthenerds]

Oooh, he's falling against a rock. He must have died from that! :rolleyes: That's very far from anything that says he dies.
You said harmed. And yes, in real life your head would crack, but I doubt if they would make him die in the movie from that.

[WorthyStevens]

He said peril or harm. Yes, he does come to harm and yes he does get hurt. Also the trailers have confirmed that may be no sign of Cyke at the lake front and Wolverine finds Cyke's glasses in the air.

a) He does die. Which I doubt.
b) He's knocked unconscious somewhere, where Storm and Logan can't find him.

[lordofthenerds]

a) He does die. Which I doubt.
b) He's knocked unconscious somewhere, where Storm and Logan can't find him.
With nothing guarding his eyes. That makes sense.

[Storm22]

I just think we're reading way too much into the footage we've seen(which is all we can do really) and Fox know that and are playing along by not showing different Cyclops footage, not releasing promo pics/posters etc.

[JustABill]

-sigh-

[WorthyStevens]

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[WorthyStevens]

With nothing guarding his eyes. That makes sense.

Hence the word unconscious.

And he has walked around without anything guarding his eyes before.

[lordofthenerds]

I just think we're reading way too much into the footage we've seen(which is all we can do really) and Fox know that and are playing along by not showing different Cyclops footage, not releasing promo pics/posters etc.
Oh they've released promo posters alright. Just with no Cyclops in them. And the promo pic of Cyclops that they released he wears the outfit that he is seen at the lake with.

[Jan Irisi]

-sigh-

Yup..... *joins the sighing chorus*

[Storm22]

Oh they've released promo posters alright. Just with no Cyclops in them. And the promo pic of Cyclops that they released he wears the outfit that he is seen at the lake with.

I know yeah, that's what I meant.

[The Punisher]

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[WorthyStevens]

Oh they've released promo posters alright. Just with no Cyclops in them. And the promo pic of Cyclops that they released he wears the outfit that he is seen at the lake with.

But they've also released the promo photo of him in uniform.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

I just find it very odd that they're deliberately showing us so little footage of Cyclops and the footage they do show is of him seemingly facing death. I'm very suspicious about how they're choosing to market Cyclop's character. I smell a red herring and I think they're trying to build up a major twist!

My opinion is that they're trying to trick us and convince us that Cyclops will maybe return in the final battle so we will go to the theaters and place our so desired money right into their pockets!When Simon was asked if some things in the new trailer aren't as they seem to be(in a question about Cyke),he answered that many surprises are waiting for us.Doesn't this statement let us think that Cyke probably will live?Then,why they didn't put at least one scene that shows him entering the final battle?All the fans would be filled with enthousiasm and would say that the movie is a asskicking one!!And,of course,they would run in theaters and watch it!!If they has such a scene with Cyke,believe me,they would show us something.

[The Original Bamfer]

I find it fun in speculating and all... but whats the point? His destiny/outcome can go anyway and we don't know... We won't know until its proven. All specualtion leads to is theories, and theories leads to more speculation. not fun.

[lordofthenerds]

My opinion is that they're trying to trick us and convince us that Cyclops will maybe return in the final battle so we will go to the theaters and place our so desired money right into their pockets!When Simon was asked if some things in the new trailer aren't as they seem to be(in a question about Cyke),he answered that many surprises are waiting for us.Doesn't this statement let us think that Cyke probably will live?Then,why they didn't put at least one scene that shows him entering the final battle?All the fans would be filled with enthousiasm and would say that the movie is a asskicking one!!And,of course,they would run in theaters and watch it!!If they has such a scene with Cyke,believe me,they would show us something.
Thank you! Finally some support.

[JustABill]

-sigh- Rogue fans don't whine like this and she's not shown in the final battle. Angel fans too.

[WorthyStevens]

My opinion is that they're trying to trick us and convince us that Cyclops will maybe return in the final battle so we will go to the theaters and place our so desired money right into their pockets!When Simon was asked if some things in the new trailer aren't as they seem to be(in a question about Cyke),he answered that many surprises are waiting for us.Doesn't this statement let us think that Cyke probably will live?Then,why they didn't put at least one scene that shows him entering the final battle?All the fans would be filled with enthousiasm and would say that the movie is a asskicking one!!And,of course,they would run in theaters and watch it!!If they has such a scene with Cyke,believe me,they would show us something.

No they wouldn't show us anything of the sort.

They're not going to show such a big surprise as Cyke coming back. It's too big of a spoiler. Especially if they're trying to lead us to believe Cyke dies. And especially if it has anything to do with bringing Jean back from her Phoenix persona.

[The Original Bamfer]

My opinion is that they're trying to trick us and convince us that Cyclops will maybe return in the final battle so we will go to the theaters and place our so desired money right into their pockets!When Simon was asked if some things in the new trailer aren't as they seem to be(in a question about Cyke),he answered that many surprises are waiting for us.Doesn't this statement let us think that Cyke probably will live?Then,why they didn't put at least one scene that shows him entering the final battle?All the fans would be filled with enthousiasm and would say that the movie is a asskicking one!!And,of course,they would run in theaters and watch it!!If they has such a scene with Cyke,believe me,they would show us something.

Its going to be a kick and a twist if he does come abck... they wouldn't put in there. Duh.

[Storm22]

I give up! I believe what I believe, others believe what you want to believe, we'll see who's right May 26th.

[Specter313]

-sigh- Rogue fans don't whine like this and she's not shown in the final battle. Angel fans too.

Exactly.

[lordofthenerds]

I find it fun in speculating and all... but whats the point? His destiny/outcome can go anyway and we don't know... We won't know until its proven. All specualtion leads to is theories, and theories leads to more speculation. not fun.
I think that the speculation is the people who say that Cyke will live. Cyclops unconsious on the ground. Cyclops late in the final battle. At least the Cyclop's death theory has some evidence on its side.

[WorthyStevens]

I think that the speculation is the people who say that Cyke will live. Cyclops unconsious on the ground. Cyclops late in the final battle. At least the Cyclop's death theory has some evidence on its side.

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What evidence? There's no evidence aside from the AICN draft, which has been changed numerous times.

[xwolverine2]

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What evidence? There's no evidence aside from the AICN draft, which has been changed numerous times.
maybe its the fact that there is no evidence that he does live.....when there SHOULD be.:)

[JustABill]

I'm ashamed to say that I'm a bigger fan of Cyclops than Rogue, and Angel, just because their fans on this board have such a demeanor about them that is TEN times better.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Has anyone noticed that when Cyke falls he's wearing his glasses?This means that the scene of the trailer,when Cyclops shoots "something", follows afterwards.Then,maybe he's not probably shooting despairous at the lake but to what caused his fall.That means two things for me:
1.Someone from the Brootherhood attacks Cyclops and then he goes on counterattack(not so possible,i think)
2.He's shooting at Phoenix!!She have thrown him down just a few seconds ago,so he gets up and start shooting her!!Scott's shooting against Jean,his true love!If something like this happen then i'm suggesting to Kinberg to not return in xverse forums after the film's release cause he will hear things he couldn't imagine by me!

[The Punisher]

I give up! I believe what I believe, others believe what you want to believe, we'll see who's right May 26th.

Exactly we'll just have to wait and see. The trailers plus the pics are misleading and that's their purpose. They are just tricking us. Come May 26then we'll see what happens. As of now all we have is trying to put the pieces togther.

[Specter313]

Has anyone noticed that when Cyke falls he's wearing his glasses?This means that the scene of the trailer,when Cyclops shoots "something", follows afterwards.Then,maybe he's not probably shooting despairous at the lake but to what caused his fall.That means two things for me:
1.Someone from the Brootherhood attacks Cyclops and then he goes on counterattack(not so possible,i think)
2.He's shooting at Phoenix!!She have thrown him down just a few seconds ago,so he gets up and start shooting her!!Scott's shooting against Jean,his true love!If something like this happen then i'm suggesting to Kinberg to not return in xverse forums after the film's release cause he will hear things he couldn't imagine by me!

3. He's shooting at the lake to air out his frustrations, which we actually see in the trailer, with the water splashing.

[xwolverine2]

Has anyone noticed that when Cyke falls he's wearing his glasses?This means that the scene of the trailer,when Cyclops shoots "something", follows afterwards.Then,maybe he's not probably shooting despairous at the lake but to what caused his fall.That means two things for me:
1.Someone from the Brootherhood attacks Cyclops and then he goes on counterattack(not so possible,i think)
2.He's shooting at Phoenix!!She have thrown him down just a few seconds ago,so he gets up and start shooting her!!Scott's shooting against Jean,his true love!If something like this happen then i'm suggesting to Kinberg to not return in xverse forums after the film's release cause he will hear things he couldn't imagine by me!
I dont understand....whats the problem with that?

[vanillacyke]

I'm ashamed to say that I'm a bigger fan of Cyclops than Rogue, and Angel, just because their fans on this board have such a demeanor about them that is TEN times better.

Well I would'nt expect an Angel fan to be upset. Warren's gonna kick some major ass in X3 (a fact that does indeed please me.)

[The Punisher]

Has anyone noticed that when Cyke falls he's wearing his glasses?This means that the scene of the trailer,when Cyclops shoots "something", follows afterwards.Then,maybe he's not probably shooting despairous at the lake but to what caused his fall.That means two things for me:
1.Someone from the Brootherhood attacks Cyclops and then he goes on counterattack(not so possible,i think)
2.He's shooting at Phoenix!!She have thrown him down just a few seconds ago,so he gets up and start shooting her!!Scott's shooting against Jean,his true love!If something like this happen then i'm suggesting to Kinberg to not return in xverse forums after the film's release cause he will hear things he couldn't imagine by me!

Nah i don't think he's shooting Jean.....

[Jan Irisi]

We have seen....approximately 3 minutes of footage from this thing. For all we know, he could well have a significant amount of time on screen. And why the hell would they show things that would give away a critical plot point???

Just because he is not in the line-up during that battle (is that the final battle? Do we know for a fact it is???) does not mean that he isn't elsewhere, doing something equally as important to the story.

I see people on this very board get all riled up if someone accidently posts a spoiler about something. "Dude!!! USE SPOILER TAGS!!!!!" Yet, you all seem to want them now.

As has been repeated ad nauseum here....WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!! There is no "proof" one way or the other.


It kind of like saying a guy is guilty of stealing a candy bar when the only evidence we have is the fact that he was seen standing next to it.

[lordofthenerds]

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What evidence? There's no evidence aside from the AICN draft, which has been changed numerous times.
Well at least its a bit of evidence, along with the pic of Cyke's glasses in the air and him land hard on the rocks.

Anyways, if you guys truly feel this way about Cyclops then you should believe that Xavier won't die and that Mystique won't be cured. I find it odd that when you all saw Storm and Wolverine mouring in front of Xaver's empty wheelchair that you all believed that he definently will die. But from what you are saying now it should all just be crazy speculation. The same goes with the naked Mystique. When you all saw Mystique naked in human form why did you automatically think that she will be cured instead of that she's just shapeshifting. So why didn't you guys think the same when you saw Cyclops's glasses in the air and Wolverine looking awe-struck at them? I think that Xavier will die and that Mystique will be cured, but I'm just trying to get the point across that Cyclops dieing is more than just some crazy speculation that is out of no where as you guys are saying and that it may be a given fact.

[WorthyStevens]

Well I would'nt expect an Angel fan to be upset.

Watch what you say now. ;)

Warren's gonna kick some major ass in X3 (a fact that does indeed please me.)

And yes he will. :p

[Cyclops Lives!!]

No,you didn't understand.I think that in the trailer scene Cyclops throw away his glasses.I can't believe he grieves out of despair and then wears them back.In my opinion,it's more possible that the scene were he's shooting comes after his falling.So,the shooting isn't a reaction to Jean's death but an attack to the one that throw him away seconds before.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

I dont understand....whats the problem with that?
Friend,the problem is that Cyclops would never hurt Jean,even if she was attacking him.

[WorthyStevens]

Well at least its a bit of evidence, along with the pic of Cyke's glasses in the air and him land hard on the rocks.

Anyways, if you guys truly feel this way about Cyclops then you should believe that Xavier won't die and that Mystique won't be cured. I find it odd that when you all saw Storm and Wolverine mouring in front of Xaver's empty wheelchair that you all believed that he definently will die. But from what you are saying now it should all just be crazy speculation. The same goes with the naked Mystique. When you all saw Mystique naked in human form why did you automatically think that she will be cured instead of that she's just shapeshifting. So why didn't you guys think the same when you saw Cyclops's glasses in the air and Wolverine looking awe-struck at them? I think that Xavier will die and that Mystique will be cured, but I'm just trying to get the point across that Cyclops dieing is more than just some crazy speculation that is out of no where as you guys are saying and that it may be a given fact.

It's not that scene with Wolverine and Ororo by Xavier's empty wheelchair that makes me think he dies. It's the fact that it got pulled shortly after the TV premiere.

And for Mystique, you can tell she's in a white room (undoubtedly the same room as Beast was in with Leech). And also, Rebecca Romijn said Mystique had a heartbreaking scene in the movie.

[xwolverine2]

Friend,the problem is that Cyclops would never hurt Jean,even if she was attacking him.
maybe hes really scared....

i mean common...you saw your chick die with your own eyes then she comes out of the water in flames and s***.......i would be scared sh**less and do the same:up:

besides who says he can see her??? maybe he only sees a bright light like in the end of X2...

[Jan Irisi]

Well at least its a bit of evidence, along with the pic of Cyke's glasses in the air and him land hard on the rocks.

Anyways, if you guys truly feel this way about Cyclops then you should believe that Xavier won't die and that Mystique won't be cured. I find it odd that when you all saw Storm and Wolverine mouring in front of Xaver's empty wheelchair that you all believed that he definently will die. But from what you are saying now it should all just be crazy speculation. The same goes with the naked Mystique. When you all saw Mystique naked in human form why did you automatically think that she will be cured instead of that she's just shapeshifting. So why didn't you guys think the same when you saw Cyclops's glasses in the air and Wolverine looking awe-struck at them? I think that Xavier will die and that Mystique will be cured, but I'm just trying to get the point across that Cyclops dieing is more than just some crazy speculation that is out of no where as you guys are saying and that it may be a given fact.


We don't know about any of that either. We know NOTHING of the fates of anyone in this film. Nothing.

Cyclops may well die. But then again, he might not. It is the same with all of the characters you mentioned. Do we "think" a certain character dies? Sure. We all have our ideas on the subject. But right now, we have zero "proof" on who dies. Zip. Zero. Nada.

[lordofthenerds]

It's not that scene with Wolverine and Ororo by Xavier's empty wheelchair that makes me think he dies. It's the fact that it got pulled shortly after the TV premiere.

And for Mystique, you can tell she's in a white room (undoubtedly the same room as Beast was in with Leech). And also, Rebecca Romijn said Mystique had a heartbreaking scene in the movie.
Actually it's been confirmed that the Xavier, Wolverine, and Storm scene was cut because of unfinished effects. Nice excuses though.

[WorthyStevens]

Actually it's been confirmed that the Xavier, Wolverine, and Storm scene was cut because of unfinished effects. Nice excuses though.

Alot of the scenes in the trailer had unfinished effects. Why pull that specific one?

And thank you. They are nice.

[lordofthenerds]

Alot of the scenes in the trailer had unfinished effects. Why pull that specific one?

And thank you. They are nice.
Name another shot that got cut.

[WorthyStevens]

Name another shot that got cut.

That's exactly my point. That was the only scene that got cut right after the premiere.

[Specter313]

Name another shot that got cut.

That's not the point. The point is that there a bunch of other scenes that have unfinished effects that stayed in the trailer, while that one got pulled.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Its going to be a kick and a twist if he does come abck... they wouldn't put in there. Duh.

Why not?They thought about us,right?They want to surprise us?Oh,the good people in Fox truly care for us!Wake up people!You think that my problem is Cyclops death?The fact that he's playing for ten minutes in the whole film can go unnoticed?As it concern the fans of the other X MEN(with the exception of Wolverine,Storm and Magneto),i think you mustn't be so optimistic about the portrayal of them.Just remember my words after the end of the film when you'll realise that for example Colossus spoke five times in the whole movie or Angel's role was much shorter than what you were waiting for etc.

[lordofthenerds]

That's exactly my point. That was the only scene that got cut right after the premiere.
Yet that shot had an effect that was probably essential to the scene (Notice the hole in the ground).

[WorthyStevens]

Yet that shot had an effect that was probably essential to the scene (Notice the hole in the ground).

What's the need to take the scene out when it's known that the trailer was full of unfinished effects?

[Iceman]

So have we decided if he lives or dies yet?

Ignore me & continue flaming - I'm here to watch

[Chris M]

Lets cut to the real issue: Scott may live, he may die, he may "die" and then return in X-Men 4. The bottom line for us Cyke fans is that we KNOW that Cyke will have very little screen time in this film and that Wolverine & Storm will star.

The fundamental problem is this: Cyke's role in the comics is the cornerstone of the team. A strong leader. His personality isn't so important, but his role in the team and his leader-rebel relationship with Wolverine is pivotal to both characters. Notice how no matter how many X-Teams are formed, Wolverine and Cyke are almost always teamed together? Logan isn’t as effective in a team of rebels (days in Uncanny X-Men) and Scott’s stand-up character was boring in the absence of a nemesis (days in X-Factor).

Way back on the special features disc for X-Men 1 (1.5?), they showed a tape of the casting of Cyke, I think it was an interview with James Marsden, and they revealed that they were considering an older Cyclops vs a younger Cyclops. They were considering the different dynamics a younger Cyke would bring to the relationship with Wolverine, vs the dynamic of an older more experienced Cyclops.

They decided to go with the younger Cyclops and this, in my opinion (and with the greatest respect to James Marsden) was the fundamental error that spelt doom for the character. His youth has made him a less-dominating leader and he has always been overshadowed by Wolverine and Jean. He's gradually been pushed to the sidelines until the point where he's effectively now a disposable character useful only for exposition. He has never played the ROLE he was meant to play.

But don't lose all hope. The good news is that the success of X-Men will ensure that there will be other versions of this film in our lifetime. There's a very good chance that a later franchise will get the character right. Pity it wasn't to be this time.


'till then....

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Lets cut to the real issue: Scott may live, he may die, he may "die" and then return in X-Men 4. The bottom line for us Cyke fans is that we KNOW that Cyke will have very little screen time in this film and that Wolverine & Storm will star.

The fundamental problem is this: Cyke's role in the comics is the cornerstone of the team. A strong leader. His personality isn't so important, but his role in the team and his leader-rebel relationship with Wolverine is pivotal to both characters. Notice how no matter how many X-Teams are formed, Wolverine and Cyke are almost always teamed together? Logan isn’t as effective in a team of rebels (days in Uncanny X-Men) and Scott’s stand-up character was boring in the absence of a nemesis (days in X-Factor).

Way back on the special features disc for X-Men 1 (1.5?), they showed a tape of the casting of Cyke, I think it was an interview with James Marsden, and they revealed that they were considering an older Cyclops vs a younger Cyclops. They were considering the different dynamics a younger Cyke would bring to the relationship with Wolverine, vs the dynamic of an older more experienced Cyclops.

They decided to go with the younger Cyclops and this, in my opinion (and with the greatest respect to James Marsden) was the fundamental error that spelt doom for the character. His youth has made him a less-dominating leader and he has always been overshadowed by Wolverine and Jean. He's gradually been pushed to the sidelines until the point where he's effectively now a disposable character useful only for exposition. He has never played the [B]ROLE[\B] he was meant to play.

But don't lose all hope. The good news is that the success of X-Men will ensure that there will be other versions of this film in our lifetime. There's a very good chance that a later franchise will get the character right. Pity it wasn't to be this time.


'till then....

Nice talking,friend.

[lordofthenerds]

What's the need to take the scene out when it's known that the trailer was full of unfinished effects?
Who knows, but its obvious that Wolverine is holding on to something that is sprouting from the "hole".

[the a1ant]

A flaming pile of ashes, and Xavier's outfit? :eek:

[The Original Bamfer]

A flaming pile of ashes, and Xavier's outfit? :eek:

Ashes would be a cheesy way to dispose of ole' Xavier... :down :p

[Iceman]

Lets cut to the real issue: Scott may live, he may die, he may "die" and then return in X-Men 4. The bottom line for us Cyke fans is that we KNOW that Cyke will have very little screen time in this film and that Wolverine & Storm will star.

The fundamental problem is this: Cyke's role in the comics is the cornerstone of the team. A strong leader. His personality isn't so important, but his role in the team and his leader-rebel relationship with Wolverine is pivotal to both characters. Notice how no matter how many X-Teams are formed, Wolverine and Cyke are almost always teamed together? Logan isn’t as effective in a team of rebels (days in Uncanny X-Men) and Scott’s stand-up character was boring in the absence of a nemesis (days in X-Factor).

Way back on the special features disc for X-Men 1 (1.5?), they showed a tape of the casting of Cyke, I think it was an interview with James Marsden, and they revealed that they were considering an older Cyclops vs a younger Cyclops. They were considering the different dynamics a younger Cyke would bring to the relationship with Wolverine, vs the dynamic of an older more experienced Cyclops.

They decided to go with the younger Cyclops and this, in my opinion (and with the greatest respect to James Marsden) was the fundamental error that spelt doom for the character. His youth has made him a less-dominating leader and he has always been overshadowed by Wolverine and Jean. He's gradually been pushed to the sidelines until the point where he's effectively now a disposable character useful only for exposition. He has never played the [b]ROLE[\B] he was meant to play.

But don't lose all hope. The good news is that the success of X-Men will ensure that there will be other versions of this film in our lifetime. There's a very good chance that a later franchise will get the character right. Pity it wasn't to be this time.


'till then....

He's got a point on Wolverine & Cyclops being more effective in the same team. That dynamic can't be recreated as well with any of the other characters. The age of James Marsden's Cyclops has held back the level of authority he has had over Wolverine and led to the value of the Cyclops character in this X-Men arc to be undermined.

It's still not over though. Storm has also been equally, if not more lacking as a leader in X1 & X2 although this is expected to be corrected in X3. We can only hope that whatever screentime Cyclops is given in X3, his scenes are written well enough and he is given enough to do to partially redeem the underutilisation of his character thus far.

[jusblaze21]

A flaming pile of ashes, and Xavier's outfit? :eek:

I hope not:(

[JustABill]

I don't mind if Mystique and Xavier kick the bucket. If this is truely the final fillm, Xavier's death would be befitting. If Mystique kicks the bucket, it's fine, because she's a general fan favorite, would tug at heart strings, and would be the perfect way to envoke the rage we see within Magneto.

I do mind Cyclops rather assummed death though, but I try not to let it bother me as much as it seesm to bother all of his other fans. There's too much other stuff in this movie to actually look foward to.

[Minisinoo]

A couple of points.

First, there's a difference between 'proof' and 'evidence.' Evidence leads to proof, and evidence comes in many types.

1) Circumstantial evidence.

2) Eye-witness evidence.

3) Arguments from silence (lack of evidence when one would expect evidence to be present).

Now, in this situation, we WILL eventually find out the answer, but in the meantime, we're left with speculation.

It seems to me that at least some folks here don't find much point in speculation, while others enjoy engaging in it. Ergo, I'd suggest that those who don't like speculation just avoid us. ;) But don't dismiss all analyses as equally useless. They aren't. One may as well dismiss all police work, or all history, or most science ... as all those disciplines also depend heavily on theory and speculation that stems from analysis of the evidence.

As for X3 and Cyclops' role in it, we have evidence from all three categories, but most of it involves categories 1 and 3. And yes, category 3 is a valid category.

When dealing with uncertain evidence, one has to evaluate it according to reliability. Not all evidence is of equal value.

One must also evaluate evidence in terms of the abundance of it, or the 'weight of evidence.' Weight of evidence itself matters. Although with weight of evidence one might be able to argue away any individual element, weight of evidence functions as a unit. Unless the evidence can be proven false, simply arguing that any single part of the evidence is inconclusive and therefore trying to take it apart piece by piece is an act of desperation. ;) Weight of evidence still applies. Five bits of inconclusive evidence, when taken together, weigh a lot more heavily.

What I'm seeing here, in the matter of Scott's death or survival is a weight of evidence that includes circumstancial, some eye-witness evidence open to various interpretation, and arguments from silence. All added up, the argument is stronger that he dies than that he doesn't, I'm afraid. In short, his survival depends on more 'maybe's than his death.

No, none of this is conclusive proof, but it is good speculative analysis.

--Minisinoo
The Medicine Wheel: X-Men Fanfiction (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/)

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[kytrigger]

Who knows, but its obvious that Wolverine is holding on to something that is sprouting from the "hole".

Possibly, but I think that in the hole is another camera for a differnt angle of the scene. They'll just cover the hole in post...

[WorthyStevens]

A couple of points.

First, there's a difference between 'proof' and 'evidence.' Evidence leads to proof, and evidence comes in many types.

1) Circumstantial evidence.

2) Eye-witness evidence.

3) Arguments from silence (lack of evidence when one would expect evidence to be present).

Now, in this situation, we WILL eventually find out the answer, but in the meantime, we're left with speculation.

It seems to me that at least some folks here don't find much point in speculation, while others enjoy engaging in it. Ergo, I'd suggest that those who don't like speculation just avoid us. ;) But don't dismiss all analyses as equally useless. They aren't. One may as well dismiss all police work, or all history, or most science ... as all those disciplines also depend heavily on theory and speculation that stems from analysis of the evidence.

As for X3 and Cyclops' role in it, we have evidence from all three categories, but most of it involves categories 1 and 3. And yes, category 3 is a valid category.

When dealing with uncertain evidence, one has to evaluate it according to reliability. Not all evidence is of equal value.

One must also evaluate evidence in terms of the abundance of it, or the 'weight of evidence.' Weight of evidence itself matters. Although with weight of evidence one might be able to argue away any individual element, weight of evidence functions as a unit. Unless the evidence can be proven false, simply arguing that any single part of the evidence is inconclusive and therefore trying to take it apart piece by piece is an act of desperation. ;) Weight of evidence still applies. Five bits of inconclusive evidence, when taken together, weigh a lot more heavily.

What I'm seeing here, in the matter of Scott's death or survival is a weight of evidence that includes circumstancial, some eye-witness evidence open to various interpretation, and arguments from silence. All added up, the argument is stronger that he dies than that he doesn't, I'm afraid. In short, his survival depends on more 'maybe's than his death.

No, none of this is conclusive proof, but it is good speculative analysis.

--Minisinoo
The Medicine Wheel: X-Men Fanfiction (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/)

http://www.themedicinewheel.net/novels_files/grailmini_jpg.jpg (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/grail/grail.html)

You make good points, but when you talk about lack of evidence being evidence, it goes both ways. It could mean he does die, but all the silence about him could mean he has another important role in the movie, other than dying.

[TheVileOne]

To the deniers and doubters watch the two trailers again.

Show me where Cyclops is OUTSIDE of Alkali lake.

[WorthyStevens]

To the deniers and doubters watch the two trailers again.

Show me where Cyclops is OUTSIDE of Alkali lake.

Show me where Angel is NOT around Worthington Labs.

[conan69]

"Rogue fans don't whine like this and she's not shown in the final battle"

No instead they complain that Anna isnt sexy southern belle enough or how come Rogue doesnt fly or have superstrength.

[JustABill]

I don't see those complaints as much as I say the complaints in here.

[Specter313]

I don't see those complaints as much as I say the complaints in here.

Yeah, after a certain someone left, those complaints died down.

[Minisinoo]

You make good points, but when you talk about lack of evidence being evidence, it goes both ways. It could mean he does die, but all the silence about him could mean he has another important role in the movie, other than dying.

Possibly. And this is where we get into the complicated aspect of analysis. An argument from silence depends on deciding something SHOULD be present that isn't. That's always a dangerous argument to make, unless one can support it well. So let's take a look at the argument from silence aspects.

The fundamental issue, or question, concerns the relative dearth of evidence about Cyclops' role in the film, contrasted with statements that he has a 'significant' role. (Or whatever the actual term was; I don't remember, so am paraphrasing.)

First, we have to decide how to define 'significant,' as it can mean any number of things from him character setting in motion a key series of events in the plot that wouldn't otherwise occur (and then disappearing), to his being a central character.

Given the real LACK of comment about him in interviews, images, etc., I think we can safely rule out the latter. ;) The former looks more likely, and the question becomes, does his 'significant' role involve only what leads up to his death (after which he becomes irrelevant), or does he have a subsequent role for which he is 'resurrected' -- which is hard to answer, but which may be hinted at via this 'argument from silence,' which includes that lack of comment about him in interviews, images, etc.

And that hinges on one critical element, imo. Is Cyclops important enough for a conspiracy of silence by the studio concerning his role to be convicing?

And here, we can't confuse Cyclops in the comics with Cyclops in the movies. And unfortunately, while Cyclops is certainly important enough in the comics, I fear the answer is that he's not likely to be perceived as important enough in the movies.

Now, that is most certainly a judgment call on my part, but hardly an unconsidered one. In X1, Cyclops' role was that of a secondary character who provided a foil to Wolverine. In X2, that role was lessened to a tertiary role, again as a foil for Wolverine (although mostly in absentia). At the end, he's supposed to provide an emotional connection for viewers to Jean's death (though, I don't think it worked because not enough sympathy had been developed for his character among viewers). Of the main X-Men characters present from X1, only Cyclops' role has dimenished across films rather than increased.

In any case, the role of Cyclops has not been developed enough to justify an assumption of an elaborate coverup orchestrated to conceal his importance in the film. (And all of that doesn't even figure in the real-life contributing factors of James Marsden's schedule.)

So taken all together, I think these things point to the KISS principle of interpretation. The lack of evidence, in this case, means exactly what it seems to mean: a lack of presence in the film.

Yes, it still remains possible that he will return at the end, but one thing I think it quite safe to say -- he will have a diminished role in X3, likely smaller even than in X2. And I'm not sure there's really reason/evidence enough to assume there's a grand coverup when it comes to Cyclops (though it would be nice if there was).

Thus, I fear the evidence in this case means exactly what it suggests, and it takes more speculation to fill in the blanks than to let the evidence stand.

[WorthyStevens]

Now the complaints started back up again... :(

[conan69]

"I don't see those complaints as much as I say the complaints in here."

No theyve been going on for the past 6 years, here and everywhere else.

"I think Logan should just get hit in the face with a stray rock and killed off."

Fine by me, the guy has already been the focus of 2 movies and now another. Why bother with spinoffs, he already has his own films.

Looking at the trailer, I dont even care about Wolv or Storm - Its Beast and Angel(and Rogue) that have me excited.

Anyway, I guess Im done here since I dont have anything else to add.

We'll see in May

[WorthyStevens]

Possibly. And this is where we get into the complicated aspect of analysis. An argument from silence depends on deciding something SHOULD be present that isn't. That's always a dangerous argument to make, unless one can support it well. So let's take a look at the argument from silence aspects.

The fundamental issue, or question, concerns the relative dearth of evidence about Cyclops' role in the film, contrasted with statements that he has a 'significant' role. (Or whatever the actual term was; I don't remember, so am paraphrasing.)

First, we have to decide how to define 'significant,' as it can mean any number of things from him character setting in motion a key series of events in the plot that wouldn't otherwise occur (and then disappearing), to his being a central character.

Given the real LACK of comment about him in interviews, images, etc., I think we can safely rule out the latter. ;) The former looks more likely, and the question becomes, does his 'significant' role involve only what leads up to his death (after which he becomes irrelevant), or does he have a subsequent role for which he is 'resurrected' -- which is hard to answer, but which may be hinted at via this 'argument from silence,' which includes that lack of comment about him in interviews, images, etc.

And that hinges on one critical element, imo. Is Cyclops important enough for a conspiracy of silence by the studio concerning his role to be valid?

And here, we can't confuse Cyclops in the comics with Cyclops in the movies. And unfortunately, while Cyclops is certainly important enough in the comics, I fear the answer is that he's not[/] likely to be perceived as important enough in the movies.

Now, that is most certainly a judgment call on my part, but hardly an unconsidered one. In X1, Cyclops' role was that of a secondary character who provided a foil to Wolverine. In X2, that role was lessened to a tertiary role, again as a foil for Wolverine (although mostly in absentia). At the end, he's supposed to provide an emotional connection for viewers to Jean's death (though, I don't think it worked because not enough sympathy had been developed for his character among viewers). Of the main X-Men characters present from X1, only Cyclops' role has [I]dimenished across films rather than increased.

In any case, the role of Cyclops has not been developed enough to justify an assumption of an elaborate coverup orchestrated to conceal his importance in the film. (And all of that doesn't even figure in the real-life contributing factors of James Marsden's schedule.)

So taken all together, I think these things point to the KISS principle of interpretation. The lack of evidence, in this case, means exactly what it seems to mean: a lack of presence in the film.

Yes, it still remains possible that he will return at the end, but one thing I think it quite safe to say -- he will have a diminished role in X3, likely smaller even than in X2. And I'm not sure there's really reason/evidence enough to assume there's a grand coverup when it comes to Cyclops (though it would be nice if there was).

Thus, I fear the evidence in this case means exactly what it suggests, and it takes more speculation to fill in the blanks than to let the evidence stand.

All valid points.

But also remember, the new writers are making up for characters such as Storm (and Colossus and possibly Rogue), who have had either underdevelopment (Storm, Rogue, possibly Iceman) or limited screen time (Colossus). I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same for Scott.

And Cyclops might not be important enough to the audience, but he's important enough to Jean to make a possible return.

[TheVileOne]

Show me where Angel is NOT around Worthington Labs.

This isn't about Angel. Angel doesn't look like he's going to die in Act 1. We know he's a character that gets introduced later on and will probably have a role similar to Nightcrawler's in the 2nd movie.

All these big action scenes, and the only one Cyclops shows up in is the one where he's rumored to die.

He was Jean's fiance. And yet Wolverine is the one that has the scene with her in the lab. Wolverine is the one chasing after her and Magneto. Storm is the one with Wolverine in the danger room. Storm is the one leading the team and delivering the eulogy at the end.

Angel...not the leader.

[WorthyStevens]

This isn't about Angel. Angel doesn't look like he's going to die in Act 1. We know he's a character that gets introduced later on and will probably have a role similar to Nightcrawler's in the 2nd movie.

All these big action scenes, and the only one Cyclops shows up in is the one where he's rumored to die.

He was Jean's fiance. And yet Wolverine is the one that has the scene with her in the lab. Wolverine is the one chasing after her and Magneto. Storm is the one with Wolverine ine danger room. Storm is the one leading the team and delivering the eulogy at the end.

Angel...not the leader.

I know he's not the leader.

I only used him for an example that just because a character is only shown in 1 or 2 scenes doesn't make it the only scenes they'll be in.

All these big action scenes, and the only one Cyclops shows up in is the one where he's rumored to die.

Keyword: rumored. Rumors don't always translate to fact, and although there's a good possibility he dies, there's an equally good possibility he doesn't.

He was Jean's fiance. And yet Wolverine is the one that has the scene with her in the lab. Wolverine is the one chasing after her and Magneto. Storm is the one with Wolverine ine danger room. Storm is the one leading the team and delivering the eulogy at the end.

We have no idea how this movie is structured yet.

[TheVileOne]

I know he's not the leader.

I only used him for an example that just because a character is only shown in 1 or 2 scenes doesn't make it the only scenes they'll be in.

Of course, Cyclops will be in a couple scenes...BEFORE HE DIES...probably.


Keyword: rumored. Rumors don't always translate to fact, and although there's a good possibility he dies, there's an equally good possibility he doesn't.

Even if he doesn't he's clearly a non-factor.


We have no idea how this movie is structured yet.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out when they are going to hold a funeral scene.

[TNC9852002]

It might take a genuis to figure out who's funeral it is... :D ;)

-TNC

[TheVileOne]

Well we can infer its being held for at least ONE person which is pretty clear from the trailers.

[N_z0]

I only used him for an example that just because a character is only shown in 1 or 2 scenes doesn't make it the only scenes they'll be in.

Again, Angel is not rumored to die. But you've already said that.

Ok here's another example. Mystique is also rumored to die. Yet we've seen quite a lot of her in the trailer. Cyclops? Not that much.

[JustABill]

Mystique has a better chance of death according to the trailers than Cyclops though. :o :p

[Hugh'sMrs]

From the Q&A with Zak Penn over on the Xverse.


When you wre asked about Scotts importance in the Dark Phoenix storyline, you said the expect some deviations. This worries me. This suggests that, not only are you going to downplay cyclops' role in the story, but also that the focus would shift from scott and jean to logan and jean. is that the case? If so, than thats blasphemous, IMO. The focal part of the phoenix saga was the love between scott and jean. if you change that, you ruin part of the story.

* Many things have changed on the way from comic to movie. In addition, you have to keep in mind that Simon and I do not control the franchise or the actors or the studio. To a certain extent, we have to do the best we can with the pieces we have. I understand your concerns, but the reality of writing a film script is extremely circumscribed, particularly compared to the comic books. I hope you will keep an open mind until you see the film. Keep in mind, by the way, that the film is consistent with X1 and X2.


To me that was a thinly veiled reference to studio politics and it's been suggested that James Marsden is a victim of those politics. Also, they haven't felt the need to say 'keep an open mind' when talking about other characters and their storylines. Their comments and general position on the subject seems to suggest that they've realized they've screwed up where Scott's concerned but can't do anything about it now. I think they're hoping to create a false sense of hope so their opening weekend won't be affected. I'll be stunned if Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn stick around after May 26 and face the wrath of fans who feel they've been deceived by Fox.

[jusblaze21]

I try to stay positive about Cyke actually having a vital role in this movie, but when I read things like this, I just get the feeling that Cyke is dead and no amount of Optimism will change that.:o

[astonishingcyke]

Im glad that of all the multitude of X-men characters there is... they had to pick the original, one of the most integral, memorable, everlasting, and most importantly, my favorite to destroy and misportray in the hearts and minds of every person on earth... YAY! thanks guys!

Disclaimer: I like these movies, I dont KNOW if Scott will die, and regardless of what happens to him I WILL go see the movie... and enjoy it. Why you ask, becuase a true X-men fan loves the WHOLE team, along with their favorite; they like the diversity and and the endless team spirit and self sacrifce seen in every issue. It's all about the WHOLE team... its a shame this is a concept that FOX hasnt quite grasped.

[Retroman]

James Marsden at Nelly and Daddy Yankee's Reebok After Party in NY - March 8, 2006

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James Marsden poses at the after party which guests included Ashanti, Nas, Kelis, Nelly, Anthony Anderson, Ice Cube, Mario, Tommy Hilfiger and Joe Frazier.


Images Courtesy of Wire Images

[jusblaze21]

James Marsden at Nelly and Daddy Yankee's Reebok After Party in NY - March 8, 2006

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James Marsden poses at the after party which guests included Ashanti, Nas, Kelis, Nelly, Anthony Anderson, Ice Cube, Mario, Tommy Hilfiger and Joe Frazier.


Images Courtesy of Wire Images

Nice pics Retro, is it me, or does James look like he had to much to drink in that first pic.:confused:

[TNC9852002]

Well we can infer its being held for at least ONE person which is pretty clear from the trailers.
Ummm..not really..

How can we accurately time the sequence of events in the movie?

-TNC

[Retroman]

Nice pics Retro, is it me, or does James look like he had to much to drink in that first pic.:confused:
Well he is holding a bottle of beer in his right hand.;)

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Lots of talk about Scott.

Yet... we know nothing.

[ironmaidenrules]

maybe jean brings scotty boy back to life using some super pheonix re-molecularizing power

[Avalanche]

Well, if you assume he dies from those pictures - he must not. they wouldn't give away a major character's death...
You forget, the general audience won't presume Cyclops dies. They won't have read the AICN script, which is the main reason everyone thinks Cyclops will die. To the general audience, this just looks like Cyclops being hurt, and as such, his death isn't being given away, for all those people who think giving his death away means he can't possibly die.

[Avalanche]

maybe jean brings scotty boy back to life using some super pheonix re-molecularizing power
That would be so horribly tacky. If they kill of Cyclops, then he needs to stay dead, not be remolecularised.

[peteapan]

You forget, the general audience won't presume Cyclops dies. They won't have read the AICN script, which is the main reason everyone thinks Cyclops will die. To the general audience, this just looks like Cyclops being hurt, and as such, his death isn't being given away, for all those people who think giving his death away means he can't possibly die.

I completely agree. The trailer isnt necessarily a "curveball" away from cykes death. This film is made to make money, which means the focus is on general movie goers and not comic book lovers in particular. To the general viewer It just looks like Scott is involved in a cool incident at Alkali lake, the suprise is for him to die, not for him to return as I am sure the general audience are unaware that his death is lookin more and more likely.

People are saying they think he will make a shock return and come back to save the day etc. I truely want to believe this, but just look at the merchandise that has already been previewed. If he was going to be a hero why wouldnt they make a Cyclops bust? People see him being a hero they would wanna buy his bust, but no, no cyclops option. They would wanna buy a poster with the big hero on it. But no, again he doesnt feature on the first multi-charactered poster. He doesnt even feature on the cover of the book showing every character but him. These products are made for after the film and people wanna buy their favourite characters products. He obviously in FOX's view doesnt have enough of a role for them to believe people will wanna buy his products, let alone him being the big hero.

[WorthyStevens]

From the Q&A with Zak Penn over on the Xverse.


When you wre asked about Scotts importance in the Dark Phoenix storyline, you said the expect some deviations. This worries me. This suggests that, not only are you going to downplay cyclops' role in the story, but also that the focus would shift from scott and jean to logan and jean. is that the case? If so, than thats blasphemous, IMO. The focal part of the phoenix saga was the love between scott and jean. if you change that, you ruin part of the story.

* Many things have changed on the way from comic to movie. In addition, you have to keep in mind that Simon and I do not control the franchise or the actors or the studio. To a certain extent, we have to do the best we can with the pieces we have. I understand your concerns, but the reality of writing a film script is extremely circumscribed, particularly compared to the comic books. I hope you will keep an open mind until you see the film. Keep in mind, by the way, that the film is consistent with X1 and X2.


To me that was a thinly veiled reference to studio politics and it's been suggested that James Marsden is a victim of those politics. Also, they haven't felt the need to say 'keep an open mind' when talking about other characters and their storylines. Their comments and general position on the subject seems to suggest that they've realized they've screwed up where Scott's concerned but can't do anything about it now. I think they're hoping to create a false sense of hope so their opening weekend won't be affected. I'll be stunned if Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn stick around after May 26 and face the wrath of fans who feel they've been deceived by Fox.

They said they will, so, I'm gonna take their word for it.

[JZ1]

I think they were going to kill him off but the uproar from the fans made them change it.. or we got it wrong from the start because Cyclops plays a big part in the limited scenes he is in but we all took it the wrong way because we only saw what they showed us.

So it puts them in a better situation than before because its all about bringing in the money and "You killed off Cyclops?" is the #1 question of the x-men fans. This question is going to bring all x-men fans whether they know very little of the x-men or alot... they need to see it for themselves which = more money. I'm not a hardcore cyclops fan.. i am a Gambit fan but trying to kill of the team leader does make want to see it more because to the fans is you can't kill off Cyclops that's nuts.

I've read some of the predictions here and i think its a story where the x-men are breaking apart because of the sudden absences of its leaders. So you have Wolverine forced in a situation to lead the team still in shock. And i think the story is just going to build up ti'll its too chaotic to control. and then Cyclops will make his entrance and prove himself to his team that everything is going to be alright because he steps up into the Professor's (absent/killed) shoes. So the story helps the high profile celebrities have more screentime and it stays true to the x-men world.

Why does he have limited screen time? again the target is the average movie go-er who doesn't know Cyclops importance to the x-men because to them its the high profile celebrity in the movie so they will be fooled to an extent. He dies and comes back in the end.. cool and they got to see their high profile celebrity! For the fan who will see it.. you have Wolverine trying to bring back Jean but continues to fail.. and then Cyclops reappears and better for round 2 and will bring her back because that's her man. Again Wolverine doesn't get the girl in the end which is the story of his life... adds more buzz. Also if Cyclops comes back we don't know how he comes back... does he find someone on his way..is it a big surprise or very vital to the story which makes sense not to show any of it in the trailer.

What if Magneto's army and the 3 x-men (cyclops, storm, wolverine) find the Pheonix at the same time. The 3 x-men split up and wolverine and storm find the brotherhood and battle.. cyclops finds her and she displays her power for the first time and it knocks both out because Jean is trying to get control. Cyclops is sent way back and Storm finds him and Wolverine finds Jean unconscious. They bring them back and Cyclops has been laying in a bed this whole time. lol

The brotherhood reports back to Magneto about her power. Wolverine reports back about Magneto's big army and they try to wake her up. Its too much because the Phoenix is here to stay and she breaks out. Magneto and the Professor both find her at her house. They both talk to her.. professor offers help and wants Jean back... Phoenix is having none of that. Something happens to the Professor and before she can do the same to Magneto.. he offers the Phoenix something intriguing.

Cyclops slowly recovers (maybe Rogue is taking care of him) and he wakes up. She tells him the team went on a mission.. and you know cyclops.. not without me. He reinforces the x-men w/ Rogue and Archangel in the end.

sorry for a long post but again just my opinion if cyclops lives and the Gambit in me says "Ratner you better bring Gambit in the next one!" :P

[wobbly]

From the Q&A with Zak Penn over on the Xverse.


When you wre asked about Scotts importance in the Dark Phoenix storyline, you said the expect some deviations. This worries me. This suggests that, not only are you going to downplay cyclops' role in the story, but also that the focus would shift from scott and jean to logan and jean. is that the case? If so, than thats blasphemous, IMO. The focal part of the phoenix saga was the love between scott and jean. if you change that, you ruin part of the story.

* Many things have changed on the way from comic to movie. In addition, you have to keep in mind that Simon and I do not control the franchise or the actors or the studio. To a certain extent, we have to do the best we can with the pieces we have. I understand your concerns, but the reality of writing a film script is extremely circumscribed, particularly compared to the comic books. I hope you will keep an open mind until you see the film. Keep in mind, by the way, that the film is consistent with X1 and X2.


To me that was a thinly veiled reference to studio politics and it's been suggested that James Marsden is a victim of those politics. Also, they haven't felt the need to say 'keep an open mind' when talking about other characters and their storylines. Their comments and general position on the subject seems to suggest that they've realized they've screwed up where Scott's concerned but can't do anything about it now. I think they're hoping to create a false sense of hope so their opening weekend won't be affected. I'll be stunned if Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn stick around after May 26 and face the wrath of fans who feel they've been deceived by Fox.

Well to me that quote is a pretty clear admission Cyclops is for the chop. Its not a direct comfirmation but Penn's comment is basically telling us they have had to change something pretty major in the Phoenix storyline (not their choice, it was forced on them) and that something is gonna be Scotts involvement.

Hope I'm wrong, but sadly I don't think so atm.

[J.Howlett]

Even still, the trailers point too easily that Scott gets killed. That's just too obvious to me.

Plus, we have the one shot of Storm and Logan crying about Xavier. Ultimately, that puts the team in a position that they have no choice but to deal with Jean in such a manner that it might mean her death...regardless of personal feelings. She's unstoppable and unstable. She threatens everything. She has to be taken out.

The only way we can have a rosy ending is for Scott to reappear and save his love. It also paints a picture of Scott taken over the legacy of Xavier, a legacy he promised to watch over if anything happened to Xavier in the first film.

If Ratner and the filmmakers truly want to stay in line with what Singer set up, Scott taking over the school is the way to go.

I'm not dogmatic in that Scott can't die. If he truly does die, it has to be emotional and dramatic. It can't be a stepping stone to get to Jean and Wolverine's story. The trailers suggest that. But again, they hid the death of Jean in X2 quite well. They are holding back a few things. I think Scott is one of them.

[LEX]

Even still, the trailers point too easily that Scott gets killed. That's just too obvious to me.

Plus, we have the one shot of Storm and Logan crying about Xavier. Ultimately, that puts the team in a position that they have no choice but to deal with Jean in such a manner that it might mean her death...regardless of personal feelings. She's unstoppable and unstable. She threatens everything. She has to be taken out.

The only way we can have a rosy ending is for Scott to reappear and save his love. It also paints a picture of Scott taken over the legacy of Xavier, a legacy he promised to watch over if anything happened to Xavier in the first film.

If Ratner and the filmmakers truly want to stay in line with what Singer set up, Scott taking over the school is the way to go.

I'm not dogmatic in that Scott can't die. If he truly does die, it has to be emotional and dramatic. It can't be a stepping stone to get to Jean and Wolverine's story. The trailers suggest that. But again, they hid the death of Jean in X2 quite well. They are holding back a few things. I think Scott is one of them.
I like your thinking. I really hope that's true b/c killing Cyclops is just...bleh. :o

[_BB_]

Wll, im standing by thatimage from cameron brights website, im positive that its cyclops in that image at the battle scene so if he does die, its not going to be until close to the end which i think indicates that he will have some part to play in stopping the phoenix.

What if she see's him die in the fight? Her feelings for him will resurface, she will go crazy and then do god knows what! If he goes out like that, heroically in battle then ill be happy

[Hugh'sMrs]

The only way we can have a rosy ending is for Scott to reappear and save his love. It also paints a picture of Scott taken over the legacy of Xavier, a legacy he promised to watch over if anything happened to Xavier in the first film.

If Ratner and the filmmakers truly want to stay in line with what Singer set up, Scott taking over the school is the way to go.


Kinberg and Penn have promised continuity so I hope they remember that very important scene from the first film. Having anyone but Scott take over for Xavier would be a serious breach of continuity in my opinion.

[Hugh'sMrs]

James Marsden at Nelly and Daddy Yankee's Reebok After Party in NY - March 8, 2006

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James Marsden poses at the after party which guests included Ashanti, Nas, Kelis, Nelly, Anthony Anderson, Ice Cube, Mario, Tommy Hilfiger and Joe Frazier.


Images Courtesy of Wire Images

If he's already in NY (probably ready to start filming Enchanted) that means he's not taking part in the March reshoots for X3.

[JustABill]

Umm. He's a celeb, they go EVERYWHERE, ALL OVER THE PLACE while filming movies/doing things. Halle was in LA, NY, all over the place while filming X3. The same could easily be said of Marsden.

[Avalanche]

Even still, the trailers point too easily that Scott gets killed. That's just too obvious to me.
Imagine you knew nothing of X3 at all. You wouldn't think Scott was going to die. You'd think he'd be tied up in some kind of accident at Alkali Lake, but that's it. It only seems obvious to us because we've read or heard about the AICN script review. For the general movie goer, there is nothing obvious about Scott's fate in the trailer.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Umm. He's a celeb, they go EVERYWHERE, ALL OVER THE PLACE while filming movies/doing things. Halle was in LA, NY, all over the place while filming X3. The same could easily be said of Marsden.

Somehow I doubt he went to NY just to attend a party.

[The Batman]

Possibly. And this is where we get into the complicated aspect of analysis. An argument from silence depends on deciding something SHOULD be present that isn't. That's always a dangerous argument to make, unless one can support it well. So let's take a look at the argument from silence aspects.

The fundamental issue, or question, concerns the relative dearth of evidence about Cyclops' role in the film, contrasted with statements that he has a 'significant' role. (Or whatever the actual term was; I don't remember, so am paraphrasing.)

First, we have to decide how to define 'significant,' as it can mean any number of things from him character setting in motion a key series of events in the plot that wouldn't otherwise occur (and then disappearing), to his being a central character.

Given the real LACK of comment about him in interviews, images, etc., I think we can safely rule out the latter. ;) The former looks more likely, and the question becomes, does his 'significant' role involve only what leads up to his death (after which he becomes irrelevant), or does he have a subsequent role for which he is 'resurrected' -- which is hard to answer, but which may be hinted at via this 'argument from silence,' which includes that lack of comment about him in interviews, images, etc.

And that hinges on one critical element, imo. Is Cyclops important enough for a conspiracy of silence by the studio concerning his role to be convicing?

And here, we can't confuse Cyclops in the comics with Cyclops in the movies. And unfortunately, while Cyclops is certainly important enough in the comics, I fear the answer is that he's not likely to be perceived as important enough in the movies.

Now, that is most certainly a judgment call on my part, but hardly an unconsidered one. In X1, Cyclops' role was that of a secondary character who provided a foil to Wolverine. In X2, that role was lessened to a tertiary role, again as a foil for Wolverine (although mostly in absentia). At the end, he's supposed to provide an emotional connection for viewers to Jean's death (though, I don't think it worked because not enough sympathy had been developed for his character among viewers). Of the main X-Men characters present from X1, only Cyclops' role has dimenished across films rather than increased.

In any case, the role of Cyclops has not been developed enough to justify an assumption of an elaborate coverup orchestrated to conceal his importance in the film. (And all of that doesn't even figure in the real-life contributing factors of James Marsden's schedule.)

So taken all together, I think these things point to the KISS principle of interpretation. The lack of evidence, in this case, means exactly what it seems to mean: a lack of presence in the film.

Yes, it still remains possible that he will return at the end, but one thing I think it quite safe to say -- he will have a diminished role in X3, likely smaller even than in X2. And I'm not sure there's really reason/evidence enough to assume there's a grand coverup when it comes to Cyclops (though it would be nice if there was).

Thus, I fear the evidence in this case means exactly what it suggests, and it takes more speculation to fill in the blanks than to let the evidence stand.

Min, you dont post here enough. Your arguments are excellent....

[The Batman]

-sigh- Rogue fans don't whine like this and she's not shown in the final battle. Angel fans too.


Then go to their threads.

[bosef982]

Plus, consider this:

The only reason Jean goes crazy and insane and becomes EVIL in the Dark Phoenix Saga is because she is possessed by a cosmic entity that is hungry for the human experience. Such a radical alteration in allegiance in morality is explained through Jean's possession. It makes sense.

Now remove the Phoenix entity as a cosmic force.

You have Jean Grey being all-powerful, from her mutation, but going insane with all the potential. Okay, so what, she goes insane. She is nothing more at this point than a schizo-mutant, her poweres beyond her control. But from the trailer we can see that at least by Act II's middle, she has these powers under control. Not only that, but she has made a self-aware decision to align herself with Magneto. If she was simply "schizo-Jean" then this would make no sense or seem rather forced. Since her powers should lash out at EVERYONE, human, mutant, X-Men, Brotherhood.

So, this says to me that her powers grow infinitely, exploding, making her a very raw mutant. She can't control her powers via the strong emotional impulses her psyhic nature opens her too (think of her as a telepathic Hulk). Now, this is the key thing:

Something has to happen to produce such a large emotional tramau that she would break out of the mansion, tossing Logan aside, kill Xavier, and then ally herself with Magneto and march with him to destroy Alcatraz. There has to be some sort of tramautic experience that sieves Jean into two beings, one dominant one filled with rage and scorn and hate for the X-Men and, more importantly, humans.

They say Cyclops is a significant role. Well, Cyclop's death propelling Jean into her Phoenix entity would be enough. Think about it:

If Xavier did put psychic blocks into Jean's minds, and now out of control, she kills Scott, then well...yeah...she'd blame Xavier. She'd be angry. But, let's add another layer (b/c obviously Magneto saves himself in the kitchen at Jean's house), what if Magneto makes the point that Xavier was motivated by his fear of having such a powerful mutant appear so early. That he put those blocks in her head to control her, to appease humans, let them feel comfortable. Now, Magneto's made himself an ally, redirected Jean's hate towards a larger population, and tied it all to Xavier, and more importantly, Jean having killed Cyclops because of what Xavier did to her for the sake of humanity's benefit.

This would explain a lot of about what we are hearing:

No cosmic Phoenix. Cyclop's has a significant role. Phoenix joining Magneto. Xavier dying. Etc.

[The Batman]

I cant wait to see how the writers at the Xverse try and justify Scott's death and underdevelopment for the past three films...should be a sight to see

[bosef982]

I cant wait to see how the writers at the Xverse try and justify Scott's death and underdevelopment for the past three films...should be a sight to see

It should. It should be very interesting. But at the same time, there is one very simple justification:

This isn't the comic book.

***** and whine after that as much as possible, but right there, any possible argument and fan has must go to "Well, in the comics..."

This is, assuming however, that Cyclops's death is handled well on screen. To me, so far, if he does die, it looks like it'll be:

"Oh, he's dead," Storm says.
"But we have Jean," Logan says.

"Oh ****," Xavier says.

[Avalanche]

I cant wait to see how the writers at the Xverse try and justify Scott's death and underdevelopment for the past three films...should be a sight to see
Kinberg has nothing to do with the past two films, so he needn't justify anything.

They have their reasons for what they did. Those reasons will remain the same, regardless of whether the Cyclops fans agree with them or not.

No doubt it will just come down to a case of agreeing to differ. They [possibly] killed Cyclops off for plot purposes. The Cyclops fans disagree. Tough, they were our reasons and the movie is made and there's nothing you can do to stop that. Let's agree to differ.

[peteapan]

I cant wait to see how the writers at the Xverse try and justify Scott's death and underdevelopment for the past three films...should be a sight to see

I have a feeling even after the film they will put spoiler to every question! they have gotta fear the backlash

[lordofthenerds]

Plus, consider this:

The only reason Jean goes crazy and insane and becomes EVIL in the Dark Phoenix Saga is because she is possessed by a cosmic entity that is hungry for the human experience. Such a radical alteration in allegiance in morality is explained through Jean's possession. It makes sense.

Now remove the Phoenix entity as a cosmic force.

You have Jean Grey being all-powerful, from her mutation, but going insane with all the potential. Okay, so what, she goes insane. She is nothing more at this point than a schizo-mutant, her poweres beyond her control. But from the trailer we can see that at least by Act II's middle, she has these powers under control. Not only that, but she has made a self-aware decision to align herself with Magneto. If she was simply "schizo-Jean" then this would make no sense or seem rather forced. Since her powers should lash out at EVERYONE, human, mutant, X-Men, Brotherhood.

So, this says to me that her powers grow infinitely, exploding, making her a very raw mutant. She can't control her powers via the strong emotional impulses her psyhic nature opens her too (think of her as a telepathic Hulk). Now, this is the key thing:

Something has to happen to produce such a large emotional tramau that she would break out of the mansion, tossing Logan aside, kill Xavier, and then ally herself with Magneto and march with him to destroy Alcatraz. There has to be some sort of tramautic experience that sieves Jean into two beings, one dominant one filled with rage and scorn and hate for the X-Men and, more importantly, humans.

They say Cyclops is a significant role. Well, Cyclop's death propelling Jean into her Phoenix entity would be enough. Think about it:

If Xavier did put psychic blocks into Jean's minds, and now out of control, she kills Scott, then well...yeah...she'd blame Xavier. She'd be angry. But, let's add another layer (b/c obviously Magneto saves himself in the kitchen at Jean's house), what if Magneto makes the point that Xavier was motivated by his fear of having such a powerful mutant appear so early. That he put those blocks in her head to control her, to appease humans, let them feel comfortable. Now, Magneto's made himself an ally, redirected Jean's hate towards a larger population, and tied it all to Xavier, and more importantly, Jean having killed Cyclops because of what Xavier did to her for the sake of humanity's benefit.

This would explain a lot of about what we are hearing:

No cosmic Phoenix. Cyclop's has a significant role. Phoenix joining Magneto. Xavier dying. Etc.
Well said.:up: :up:

[peteapan]

Hehe.. Love the sig Lord...

[The Batman]

petapan, that really shouldve been cykes line in the movie. too bad logan takes his place...

[peteapan]

petapan, that really shouldve been cykes line in the movie. too bad logan takes his place...

It seems they are trying to banish the way jean chose cyke, Logan even said it. Once Cyke dies im sure he wont get much of a mention. It looks like its been written for Logan to cleanly take over Scotts role. Very sad. The writers comments about deviations from the original story didnt do anything to encourage me to believe otherwise.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

It seems they are trying to banish the way jean chose cyke, Logan even said it. Once Cyke dies im sure he wont get much of a mention. It looks like its been written for Logan to cleanly take over Scotts role. Very sad. The writers comments about deviations from the original story didnt do anything to encourage me to believe otherwise.

Umm...

I love all Cyclops fans equally.

But please, wait a while.

[The Batman]

It seems they are trying to banish the way jean chose cyke, Logan even said it. Once Cyke dies im sure he wont get much of a mention. It looks like its been written for Logan to cleanly take over Scotts role. Very sad. The writers comments about deviations from the original story didnt do anything to encourage me to believe otherwise.

Honestly, at this point...I'm thinking with the way Cykes been treated for three films, I might not even watch the movie if he lives. This whole Logan-Jean thing is the last straw

[PhePhe112]

Imagine you knew nothing of X3 at all. You wouldn't think Scott was going to die. You'd think he'd be tied up in some kind of accident at Alkali Lake, but that's it. It only seems obvious to us because we've read or heard about the AICN script review. For the general movie goer, there is nothing obvious about Scott's fate in the trailer.

you are right 100%! my finace is spoiler free and while watching the new trailer I was like "OOOOHHHH there is hope!" (referring to the clip where storm and wolvie find someone on the rocks) and he was like ??? and i just simply said....there might be a death of someone i like!

He still has no idea who i'm talking about.

PS-
peteapan, that secne sooooooooooooooooooooooo would have been better with cyclops! :up::

[peteapan]

you are right 100%! my finace is spoiler free and while watching the new trailer I was like "OOOOHHHH there is hope!" (referring to the clip where storm and wolvie find someone on the rocks) and he was like ??? and i just simply said....there might be a death of someone i like!

He still has no idea who i'm talking about.

To me thats not such a great sign. If they are making the movie for the average movie goer, then it shows that cyclops death will be a big suprise that the writers talked about, rather than his return from death. Pity it was Jean on the rocks!

[PhePhe112]

thats true tooo....:(

[PhePhe112]

But again, they hid the death of Jean in X2 quite well. They are holding back a few things. I think Scott is one of them.

this is true. there was a pic of jean standing with the rest of the team in the white house, that was released. i'm hoping they are doing the same to us with the cyke thing.

[Kurosawa]

From the Q&A with Zak Penn over on the Xverse.


When you wre asked about Scotts importance in the Dark Phoenix storyline, you said the expect some deviations. This worries me. This suggests that, not only are you going to downplay cyclops' role in the story, but also that the focus would shift from scott and jean to logan and jean. is that the case? If so, than thats blasphemous, IMO. The focal part of the phoenix saga was the love between scott and jean. if you change that, you ruin part of the story.

* Many things have changed on the way from comic to movie. In addition, you have to keep in mind that Simon and I do not control the franchise or the actors or the studio. To a certain extent, we have to do the best we can with the pieces we have. I understand your concerns, but the reality of writing a film script is extremely circumscribed, particularly compared to the comic books. I hope you will keep an open mind until you see the film. Keep in mind, by the way, that the film is consistent with X1 and X2.


To me that was a thinly veiled reference to studio politics and it's been suggested that James Marsden is a victim of those politics. Also, they haven't felt the need to say 'keep an open mind' when talking about other characters and their storylines. Their comments and general position on the subject seems to suggest that they've realized they've screwed up where Scott's concerned but can't do anything about it now. I think they're hoping to create a false sense of hope so their opening weekend won't be affected. I'll be stunned if Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn stick around after May 26 and face the wrath of fans who feel they've been deceived by Fox.


That's a wrap, Cyclops fans.

Studio execs pretty much ordered Cyclops to get killed in this idiotic POS because they were angry with Marsden, just as I thought. And Cyclops place in the storyline will be taken by the already obscenely overpushed and over hyped Wolverine. There's nothing, NOTHING these worthless pieces of **** could do to insult Cyclops fans more than this. Even if Kinberg and Penn are fans, they can only write the script that FOX orders them to. If Avi Arad had a shred of integrity, he'd demand that they adopt the story at least a bit faithfully, but as we all know, he's a whore.

No Cyclops fan and indeed no true X-Men fan should support this idiotic, disgusting, blasphemous movie. And the best way to express your disgust is by attending as many screenings of Singer's Superman Returns as you can.

To be honest, as long as Avi Arad is in charge of the Marvel film development, I have little interest in seeing anything that's adopted from their comics, especially by the bastards at FOX. I trust Raimi on Spider-Man, and that's it. But the FOX execs and Arad-they all deserve to burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.

**** Marvel, **** FOX, **** Avi Arad.

[Avalanche]

No Cyclops fan and indeed no true X-Men fan should support this idiotic, disgusting, blasphemous movie. And the best way to express your disgust is by attending as many screenings of Singer's Superman Returns as you can.
The true X-Men fans have plenty of other reasons to see the movie that extend far beyond the possible death of Cyclops.

[Kurosawa]

The true X-Men fans have plenty of other reasons to see the movie that extend far beyond the possible death of Cyclops.

You're 110% wrong. No true X-Men fan could ever support this. Drooling Wolverine fanboys could, and that's about it.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

That's a wrap, Cyclops fans.

Studio execs pretty much ordered Cyclops to get killed in this idiotic POS because they were angry with Marsden, just as I thought. And Cyclops place in the storyline will be taken by the already obscenely overpushed and over hyped Wolverine. There's nothing, NOTHING these worthless pieces of **** could do to insult Cyclops fans more than this. Even if Kinberg and Penn are fans, they can only write the script that FOX orders them to. If Avi Arad had a shred of integrity, he'd demand that they adopt the story at least a bit faithfully, but as we all know, he's a whore.

No Cyclops fan and indeed no true X-Men fan should support this idiotic, disgusting, blasphemous movie. And the best way to express your disgust is by attending as many screenings of Singer's Superman Returns as you can.

To be honest, as long as Avi Arad is in charge of the Marvel film development, I have little interest in seeing anything that's adopted from their comics, especially by the bastards at FOX. I trust Raimi on Spider-Man, and that's it. But the FOX execs and Arad-they all deserve to burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.

**** Marvel, **** FOX, **** Avi Arad.

I'm glad to see that there are and other people with the same opinion!I cannot agree more!

[Kurosawa]

And the best way to express your disgust is by NOT giving them any money and skipping the movie.

[The Guard]

If FOX hadn't wanted Marsden back, he would not be back. Period.

One simple statement from Simon Kinberg strikes me as very important. Something along the lines of "Not all fates are what they appear". Now, without reading much into that, I think we can assume that they are indeed speaking of Xavier and Cyclops. I think it's pretty likely Xavier dies, and I think it's pretty obvious they want you to believe Cyclops is going to die, or be pretty much worthless in X3 as a plot device. I don't buy it.

Fair enough. As I noted, I don't necessarily assume that he was shooting at nothing. But misconceptions about grief are SO common, I thought it worth explaining why the assumption that he might be shooting randomly at the lake (that took his fiancee) isn't so unreasonable. And I've seen a LOT of people critique Marsden's performance (and Cyke's reaction) in X2, as if it were unreasonable. Speaking as a hospice and ER counsellor, I actually found it extremely convincing ... and I'm a hard sell when it comes to grief reactions to death scenes. Most of them don't convince me. Marsden really deserves kudos for that performance.

Agreed. And I think we'll see some more powerful stuff when he encounters Phoenix, and if he does indeed return at the end of X3.

In any case, the new trailer might suggest he IS shooting at the lake for a reason ... the phoenix effect. Of course he wouldn't know what it was, when it first appeared. (Although I'm not entirely sure. The reddish effect in the water might be the Phoenix effect or his optic blasts. I'm undecided.)

Think about this for a second. Are you suggesting Scott Summers would just blast something that desperately without first seeing what it was, or if it posed a threat to him? I can see Jean MAKING him blast the lake somehow, but I don't see Scott going "****, the ice is cracking, better SHOOT it!"

What exactly indicates that he is shooting at the lake? We never see him shooting at the lake. We see him in an area that clearly CONTAINS a lake, but what in these trailers actually SHOWS him shooting AT the lake?

When preparing publicity, they're writing for those folks -- not comics fans. Keep that in mind and don't overanalyze. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ... and lack of mention of a (tertiary) character means exactly what it seems to mean -- that character doesn't figure in the film to any degree.

He probably doesn't have a huge role. I think it's safe to say that he doesn't. But to say he "doesn't figure in the film to any degree" strikes me as absurd. I think at this point it's pretty obvious what degree he figures into it in. He's going to be part of the catalyst for Phoenix "losing it". Either she kills Scott, or appears to have killed Scott, or some combination of that. And while that is not a lot of screentime, as Bosef indicted, that's a pretty damned important role in the film, though it is obviously not the size or nature of the role that fans want. And frankly, we don't know that. We don't know a lot of things. Somehow, they have managed to keep a very tight lid on things.

The AICN script aside, the placement of Marsden's name low in credits, the lack of reference to Cyke in most interviews (consistently), the near absence of both official images and set references ... Alone, any of those things might be explained away, but the sheer bulk of evidence (or lack thereof) adds up, I fear.

That's true. IF one has already reached a conclusion and is simply working toward it, based on BITS and PIECES of "evidence" that has accumulated over the last few months, all of which have spun out of a partial script review.

Ask the average moviegoer, however, what role Cyclops will play in X3, based on just the teasers/trailers we've seen, and while they may say "He will die", they will not be able to tell you hardly ANYTHING else about his role in the film, how it relates to Wovlerine, Phoenix, Xavier, any of it.

The answers given on Xverse don't reassure me, but sound like sidestepping. Perhaps they're sidestepping to avoid spoilers, but then why not simply say so more clearly?

They've said a lot that DOESN'T sound like sidestepping, too, though. And a LOT of what the WRITERS, for instance, have said, indicates "No, Cyclops doesn't have a huge role, but he does play a role in X3, and for some reason we're now even allowed to even HINT what his role may be".

I fear it's more likely sidestepping to avoid more hooplah, given the reactions to the rumors of Cyclops' death.

Hooplah from who? Fans? Do you really think FOX as a studio cares about fan backlash that much? I don't. I think they're just trying to protect their most powerful story points.

Remember, they want to get butts into theater seats on opening (or near-opening) night. Theater ticket sales are down. If they think news of Cyke's demise might harm ticket sales, discussion of it will be avoided.

On what planet would news of Cyclops demise "harm ticket sales"? Clearly they're playing it in a way as though at least Xavier DOES die. Do you see that harming ticket sales?

I hope I'm wrong. I really do. I fear I'm not, and that's why I tend to be pessimistic. I still hope that he may return at the end, but -- as in X2 -- he'll be a tertiary character at best. I suppose a living Cyke is better than a dead one, but really ... While I knew he'd probably not become a protagonist, I'd hoped -- after seeing X2 -- that his role in X3 (with Phoenix on the horizon) might be as large or larger than his role in X1. In fact, I fear it will be even smaller than in X2.

I seriously doubt it. I imagine Cyclops will get some development before he heads off to Alkali Lake, both with Wolverine, Xavier, and possibly Storm. I honestly think we just need to wait and see. We do not have all the facts. We don't even have most of them. All we have are some glimpses of clips.

The strange hypocracy of this is if Kinberg and Penn were geeks like they claimed they'd know that no such love triangle existed in the Phoenix Saga.

I'm pretty sure Dark Phoenix has a thing for Wolverine in most versions of it. She has very loose morals, that Dark Phoenix does...

Jean loved Scott and Wolverine was the annoying runt who pestered both of them.

Seeing as how she rejected his advances in X-MEN and X2, that seems to be the case in the movieverse, too. Yes, that was the case in the comics. When Jean was Jean Grey, not Dark Phoenix. We're talking about Dark Phoenix, though.

What boils my blood is the line "We can fix it, we can make it like it was". If anyone should be able to say a line like that to Jean, its Scott and no one else. Clear violation of the comic.

That's true, but just because Cyclops could say that doesn't mean it's a line that doesn't make sense for Wolverine to say. Obviously Cyclops isn't there to say it (and since "making it like it was might be an indication of her lashing out at him to begin with...). This, in the context of the trailer, clearly seems to be what happens BEFORE Jean surrenders to Phoenix. But that does not mean Cyclops might not show up at the end of the film and bring Jean back. As for "clear violation of the comic"...a LOT of things in this franchise are. These are MOVIES that draw from the source to create interesting stories, not the comics themselves.

It's not just that he's the bigger star, but Logan did get a lot of screentime in X1 and X2 and a lot of this screentime involved his feelings for Jean, and hers for him. In terms of film continuity, it actually makes more sense to put Wolverine in this role rather than Cyclops. The movie can't just be about appeasing the comic fans.

I disagree. About it making more sense for Wolverine to bring Jean back. If anything, he would enrage her further, because he wanted her as Jean, realized she wasn't his, and rejects her Phoenix guise. Cyclops should be the one to bring her back, even in this continuity, based on the movie relationship that has been established between him and Jean.

Yeah, Jean was so in love with Scott she wound up kissing Logan. That's a bang up relationship right there.Whilst Jean and Cyclops are established as having a relationship, particularly by the second movie, there are severe doubts cast over it, even after she supposedly 'chooses' Cyclops.

No, Logan kissed JEAN in X2. Which she clearly may not have wanted, because she then used her powers to stop him from going any further. Where are these "severe doubts" about Jean/Cyclops' relationship found, exactly? Several scenes indicate otherwise in X-MEN and X2.

And yet their scenes together were always so much more intense. There was more passion to them. More fire. That kind of fire is more likely to invoke a reaction from too far gone Jean than Mr safe Scott is.

If by "passion", you mean "kissing, mild flirting, and veiled lust", then yes. If by passion, you mean "actual emotional weight", then no. Cyclops and Jean's scenes always had more to them emotionally than Logan's and Jean's have.

I'm not saying I want Cyclops dead, but I am saying that when it comes to the movieverse, things simply aren't the same. Jean and Scott aren't the solid couple that they are in the comics.

They haven't been portrayed as the perfect couple, but I'm sorry, they seem pretty solid to me. Just because someone hits on you or you develop some kind of rapport with them, and Jean and Logan did, doesn't mean that you are going to end up with them, or that you do not love your boyfriend/fiancee. Many people seem inable to make this distinction about Cyclops/Jean's relationship. Probably because there hasn't been a sex scene. It's getting kind of pathetic.

Logan has a much bigger impact when he is around. To say she has only known him for a few months says nothing. Duration does not automatically elevate someone to top dog status.
I don't see any intimate connection scenes between Jean and Cyclops in these trailers.

What...movies...are...you...watching?

Singer gave us some of this in the second movie at least.

Do you remember seeing those intimate/relationship scenes in te trailers for X2, though? I don't. These trailers are selling X3 mostly on ACTION and the fact that there will be more emotion. They are hardly showing you all the emotional scenes in the film. Do you really think there will be nothing between Cyclops and Phoenix but "fisticuffs"? I don't think so.

I really do not think that James Marsden spent TWO WEEKS filming that one Alkali Lake scene where Jean rises and he "dies"/dies, and one scene in the manor before he leaves for Alkali Lake.

[Storm22]

*bows down before The Guard*
Thank you!!:up:

[xwolverine2]

WOW! Guard!

these cyclops movie haters must REALLY annoy you huh?!

how did you find the time to write all that!?

[The Guard]

Through the magic of caring.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

If FOX hadn't wanted Marsden back, he would not be back. Period.

One simple statement from Simon Kinberg strikes me as very important. Something along the lines of "Not all fates are what they appear". Now, without reading much into that, I think we can assume that they are indeed speaking of Xavier and Cyclops. I think it's pretty likely Xavier dies, and I think it's pretty obvious they want you to believe Cyclops is going to die, or be pretty much worthless in X3 as a plot device. I don't buy it.



Agreed. And I think we'll see some more powerful stuff when he encounters Phoenix, and if he does indeed return at the end of X3.



Think about this for a second. Are you suggesting Scott Summers would just blast something that desperately without first seeing what it was, or if it posed a threat to him? I can see Jean MAKING him blast the lake somehow, but I don't see Scott going "****, the ice is cracking, better SHOOT it!"

What exactly indicates that he is shooting at the lake? We never see him shooting at the lake. We see him in an area that clearly CONTAINS a lake, but what in these trailers actually SHOWS him shooting AT the lake?



He probably doesn't have a huge role. I think it's safe to say that he doesn't. But to say he "doesn't figure in the film to any degree" strikes me as absurd. I think at this point it's pretty obvious what degree he figures into it in. He's going to be part of the catalyst for Phoenix "losing it". Either she kills Scott, or appears to have killed Scott, or some combination of that. And while that is not a lot of screentime, as Bosef indicted, that's a pretty damned important role in the film, though it is obviously not the size or nature of the role that fans want. And frankly, we don't know that. We don't know a lot of things. Somehow, they have managed to keep a very tight lid on things.



That's true. IF one has already reached a conclusion and is simply working toward it, based on BITS and PIECES of "evidence" that has accumulated over the last few months, all of which have spun out of a partial script review.

Ask the average moviegoer, however, what role Cyclops will play in X3, based on just the teasers/trailers we've seen, and while they may say "He will die", they will not be able to tell you hardly ANYTHING else about his role in the film, how it relates to Wovlerine, Phoenix, Xavier, any of it.



They've said a lot that DOESN'T sound like sidestepping, too, though. And a LOT of what the WRITERS, for instance, have said, indicates "No, Cyclops doesn't have a huge role, but he does play a role in X3, and for some reason we're now even allowed to even HINT what his role may be".



Hooplah from who? Fans? Do you really think FOX as a studio cares about fan backlash that much? I don't. I think they're just trying to protect their most powerful story points.



On what planet would news of Cyclops demise "harm ticket sales"? Clearly they're playing it in a way as though at least Xavier DOES die. Do you see that harming ticket sales?



I seriously doubt it. I imagine Cyclops will get some development before he heads off to Alkali Lake, both with Wolverine, Xavier, and possibly Storm. I honestly think we just need to wait and see. We do not have all the facts. We don't even have most of them. All we have are some glimpses of clips.



I'm pretty sure Dark Phoenix has a thing for Wolverine in most versions of it. She has very loose morals, that Dark Phoenix does...



Seeing as how she rejected his advances in X-MEN and X2, that seems to be the case in the movieverse, too. Yes, that was the case in the comics. When Jean was Jean Grey, not Dark Phoenix. We're talking about Dark Phoenix, though.

Heck there is even a part of the Phoenix Saga where Scott makes a fool out of Wolverine in a fight, and Jean helps him win. Yeah she really loved him.



That's true, but just because Cyclops could say that doesn't mean it's a line that doesn't make sense for Wolverine to say. Obviously Cyclops isn't there to say it (and since "making it like it was might be an indication of her lashing out at him to begin with...). This, in the context of the trailer, clearly seems to be what happens BEFORE Jean surrenders to Phoenix. But that does not mean Cyclops might not show up at the end of the film and bring Jean back. As for "clear violation of the comic"...a LOT of things in this franchise are. These are MOVIES that draw from the source to create interesting stories, not the comics themselves.



I disagree. About it making more sense for Wolverine to bring Jean back. If anything, he would enrage her further, because he wanted her as Jean, realized she wasn't his, and rejects her Phoenix guise. Cyclops should be the one to bring her back, even in this continuity, based on the movie relationship that has been established between him and Jean.



No, Logan kissed JEAN in X2. Which she clearly may not have wanted, because she then used her powers to stop him from going any further. Where are these "severe doubts" about Jean/Cyclops' relationship found, exactly? Several scenes indicate otherwise in X-MEN and X2.



If by "passion", you mean "kissing, mild flirting, and veiled lust", then yes. If by passion, you mean "actual emotional weight", then no. Cyclops and Jean's scenes always had more to them emotionally than Logan's and Jean's have.



They haven't been portrayed as the perfect couple, but I'm sorry, they seem pretty solid to me. Just because someone hits on you or you develop some kind of rapport with them, and Jean and Logan did, doesn't mean that you are going to end up with them, or that you do not love your boyfriend/fiancee. Many people seem inable to make this distinction about Cyclops/Jean's relationship. Probably because there hasn't been a sex scene. It's getting kind of pathetic.



What...movies...are...you...watching?



Do you remember seeing those intimate/relationship scenes in te trailers for X2, though? I don't. These trailers are selling X3 mostly on ACTION and the fact that there will be more emotion. They are hardly showing you all the emotional scenes in the film. Do you really think there will be nothing between Cyclops and Phoenix but "fisticuffs"? I don't think so.

I really do not think that James Marsden spent TWO WEEKS filming that one Alkali Lake scene where Jean rises and he "dies"/dies, and one scene in the manor before he leaves for Alkali Lake.

You're absolutely right.

[Snikt]

You're 110% wrong. No true X-Men fan could ever support this. Drooling Wolverine fanboys could, and that's about it.
Couldn't the same thing be said about Drooling Cyclops fanboys. Seriously people, don't try to spoil a potentially great movie just because some of you think Cyclop MIGHT die. At the end of the day, I think we will all be very pleased with the movie. Ya know I'd be pissed if Wolverine was killed, but that wouldn't stop me from seeing the next X-flick.

[terry78]

Are people saying that Cyclops was given a fair deal in the last movie as well, which was Singer's vision? Why support Singer for what he did on the last movie, seeing as how Cyclops wasn't all that developed then either?

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!

[gap5ewl]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!
ladies and gentleman...our new RATTLERBRAT!!!

[Spidey 2007]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!

yes they both suck in their own ways, but look atit this way maybe....Ratner would have done x1/x2 differently maybe he would have put cyclops in more of a lead role, sure we all know wolverine was getting it either way, but ratner would probably have put cyke ina better position....Ratner is following the basis singer made, ya know...and cylops fits whereever he needs to fit i guess...

for SOME reason i guess im still holding out hope, its hard for me to believe myself but i know if i DO see cylops NOT die...or come back and whoop some ass i know for a fact ill go home happy....

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I really do not think that James Marsden spent TWO WEEKS filming that one Alkali Lake scene where Jean rises and he "dies"/dies, and one scene in the manor before he leaves for Alkali Lake.

You're right on that one.

Ian McKellen shot his part in X2 in just 15 days even though he was in town for the whole of the production

[Spidey 2007]

yes they both suck in their own ways, but look atit this way maybe....Ratner would have done x1/x2 differently maybe he would have put cyclops in more of a lead role, sure we all know wolverine was getting it either way, but ratner would probably have put cyke ina better position....Ratner is following the basis singer made, ya know...and cylops fits whereever he needs to fit i guess...

for SOME reason i guess im still holding out hope, its hard for me to believe myself but i know if i DO see cylops NOT die...or come back and whoop some ass i know for a fact ill go home happy....


okay screw that thought.....I guess we can all look at storm, lol.

[_BB_]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!


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[Storm22]

HAHA, good stuff BB!!

[xwolverine2]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!
are you f****** serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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you have now awoken the super-man fans!!!run!!!!

[Storm22]

The sad thing is he is!

[WorthyStevens]

To me thats not such a great sign. If they are making the movie for the average movie goer, then it shows that cyclops death will be a big suprise that the writers talked about, rather than his return from death. Pity it was Jean on the rocks!

Think about it though. The writers didn't have to respond to questions on the Xverse if were making the movie completely for the average movie goer. They've been thinking about the comic book fans as well.

[WorthyStevens]

If FOX hadn't wanted Marsden back, he would not be back. Period.

One simple statement from Simon Kinberg strikes me as very important. Something along the lines of "Not all fates are what they appear". Now, without reading much into that, I think we can assume that they are indeed speaking of Xavier and Cyclops. I think it's pretty likely Xavier dies, and I think it's pretty obvious they want you to believe Cyclops is going to die, or be pretty much worthless in X3 as a plot device. I don't buy it.



Agreed. And I think we'll see some more powerful stuff when he encounters Phoenix, and if he does indeed return at the end of X3.



Think about this for a second. Are you suggesting Scott Summers would just blast something that desperately without first seeing what it was, or if it posed a threat to him? I can see Jean MAKING him blast the lake somehow, but I don't see Scott going "****, the ice is cracking, better SHOOT it!"

What exactly indicates that he is shooting at the lake? We never see him shooting at the lake. We see him in an area that clearly CONTAINS a lake, but what in these trailers actually SHOWS him shooting AT the lake?



He probably doesn't have a huge role. I think it's safe to say that he doesn't. But to say he "doesn't figure in the film to any degree" strikes me as absurd. I think at this point it's pretty obvious what degree he figures into it in. He's going to be part of the catalyst for Phoenix "losing it". Either she kills Scott, or appears to have killed Scott, or some combination of that. And while that is not a lot of screentime, as Bosef indicted, that's a pretty damned important role in the film, though it is obviously not the size or nature of the role that fans want. And frankly, we don't know that. We don't know a lot of things. Somehow, they have managed to keep a very tight lid on things.



That's true. IF one has already reached a conclusion and is simply working toward it, based on BITS and PIECES of "evidence" that has accumulated over the last few months, all of which have spun out of a partial script review.

Ask the average moviegoer, however, what role Cyclops will play in X3, based on just the teasers/trailers we've seen, and while they may say "He will die", they will not be able to tell you hardly ANYTHING else about his role in the film, how it relates to Wovlerine, Phoenix, Xavier, any of it.



They've said a lot that DOESN'T sound like sidestepping, too, though. And a LOT of what the WRITERS, for instance, have said, indicates "No, Cyclops doesn't have a huge role, but he does play a role in X3, and for some reason we're now even allowed to even HINT what his role may be".



Hooplah from who? Fans? Do you really think FOX as a studio cares about fan backlash that much? I don't. I think they're just trying to protect their most powerful story points.



On what planet would news of Cyclops demise "harm ticket sales"? Clearly they're playing it in a way as though at least Xavier DOES die. Do you see that harming ticket sales?



I seriously doubt it. I imagine Cyclops will get some development before he heads off to Alkali Lake, both with Wolverine, Xavier, and possibly Storm. I honestly think we just need to wait and see. We do not have all the facts. We don't even have most of them. All we have are some glimpses of clips.



I'm pretty sure Dark Phoenix has a thing for Wolverine in most versions of it. She has very loose morals, that Dark Phoenix does...



Seeing as how she rejected his advances in X-MEN and X2, that seems to be the case in the movieverse, too. Yes, that was the case in the comics. When Jean was Jean Grey, not Dark Phoenix. We're talking about Dark Phoenix, though.

Heck there is even a part of the Phoenix Saga where Scott makes a fool out of Wolverine in a fight, and Jean helps him win. Yeah she really loved him.



That's true, but just because Cyclops could say that doesn't mean it's a line that doesn't make sense for Wolverine to say. Obviously Cyclops isn't there to say it (and since "making it like it was might be an indication of her lashing out at him to begin with...). This, in the context of the trailer, clearly seems to be what happens BEFORE Jean surrenders to Phoenix. But that does not mean Cyclops might not show up at the end of the film and bring Jean back. As for "clear violation of the comic"...a LOT of things in this franchise are. These are MOVIES that draw from the source to create interesting stories, not the comics themselves.



I disagree. About it making more sense for Wolverine to bring Jean back. If anything, he would enrage her further, because he wanted her as Jean, realized she wasn't his, and rejects her Phoenix guise. Cyclops should be the one to bring her back, even in this continuity, based on the movie relationship that has been established between him and Jean.



No, Logan kissed JEAN in X2. Which she clearly may not have wanted, because she then used her powers to stop him from going any further. Where are these "severe doubts" about Jean/Cyclops' relationship found, exactly? Several scenes indicate otherwise in X-MEN and X2.



If by "passion", you mean "kissing, mild flirting, and veiled lust", then yes. If by passion, you mean "actual emotional weight", then no. Cyclops and Jean's scenes always had more to them emotionally than Logan's and Jean's have.



They haven't been portrayed as the perfect couple, but I'm sorry, they seem pretty solid to me. Just because someone hits on you or you develop some kind of rapport with them, and Jean and Logan did, doesn't mean that you are going to end up with them, or that you do not love your boyfriend/fiancee. Many people seem inable to make this distinction about Cyclops/Jean's relationship. Probably because there hasn't been a sex scene. It's getting kind of pathetic.



What...movies...are...you...watching?



Do you remember seeing those intimate/relationship scenes in te trailers for X2, though? I don't. These trailers are selling X3 mostly on ACTION and the fact that there will be more emotion. They are hardly showing you all the emotional scenes in the film. Do you really think there will be nothing between Cyclops and Phoenix but "fisticuffs"? I don't think so.

I really do not think that James Marsden spent TWO WEEKS filming that one Alkali Lake scene where Jean rises and he "dies"/dies, and one scene in the manor before he leaves for Alkali Lake.


Guard, I am humbled in your presence. I love it when you post! :up:

[peteapan]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!

Singer did not suck. He made two great films and set up the foundations of a great third. As a cyclops fan you should be happy that Singer introduced the pheonix saga that would probably under Singer have featured Cyclops a hell of a lot more than the Rattner film, there wouldnt have been SR to take Marsden away etc. You cant judge if Rattner sucks yet, the film hasnt been released.

[Specter313]

Both Singer and Rattner suck!

*sigh*

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/banhim.gif

[The Guard]

For me it's not even about "Has Cyclops been done justice" anymore. It's about the actual nature of the Wolverine/Cyclops/Jean relationship. People just continue to misinterpret it. Which is hilarious, because many here really seem to not like Wolverine. But no, it's "Wolverine got the girl in X-MEN and X2" over and over and over again, as if some of you didn't even watch these movies.

[N_z0]

PS-
peteapan, that secne sooooooooooooooooooooooo would have been better with cyclops! :up::

Yes. It should have been. :(

[WorthyStevens]

Yes. It should have been. :(

:( I agree.

I still haven't given up on Scott living though.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Oh,i'm sorry guys!!I'm taking it back!!Singer is great!X1 and X2 were wonderfull!Clever dialogs,succesfull casting,great story...HAHAHAHA!!!You're kidding,right?

[Storm22]

My God, have you not metled yet?! *throws glass of water over Cyclops Lives*

[Avalanche]

You're 110% wrong. No true X-Men fan could ever support this. Drooling Wolverine fanboys could, and that's about it.
What an idiotic thing to say.

I'm no Wolverine fan. I hate the overexposure he's been given in the past few movies. Generally speaking, I hate the character. I hate his personality, I hate his storylines, I hate his powers. Really not a Wolverine fan, and to suggest only Wolverine fans could sit through X3 is a stupidly absurd suggestion to make.

I'm a Storm fan. A Jean/Phoenix fan. A Rogue fan. A Pyro fan. A Kitty fan. A Magneto fan. A general X-Men fan. Cyclops may or may not die, but regardless, I, and most other X-Men fans, will still be able to enjoy the movie.

Cyclops is far from the only reason to watch such a big ensemble movie such as X3.

I'm a true X-Men fan. I'm not a drooling Wolverine fanboy. None the less, if the death of Cyclops is handled correctly, and the rest of the movie performs, I will enjoy X3. I certainly won't be voting with my feet on behalf of one character, and frankly, I don't think such threats have the studio worried. The amount of X-Men fans who won't go and see X3 because of the death of Cyclops will barely register on their profits.

So in short, don't label other members inferior X-Men fans just because they aren't prepared to boycot X3 because of the death of a character. You just come across as faintly delerious, hissy fit and all.

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[_BB_]

What an idiotic thing to say.

I'm no Wolverine fan. I hate the overexposure he's been given in the past few movies. Generally speaking, I hate the character. I hate his personality, I hate his storylines, I hate his powers. Really not a Wolverine fan, and to suggest only Wolverine fans could sit through X3 is a stupidly absurd suggestion to make.

I'm a Storm fan. A Jean/Phoenix fan. A Rogue fan. A Pyro fan. A Kitty fan. A Magneto fan. A general X-Men fan. Cyclops may or many not die, but regardless, I, and most other X-Men fans, will still be able to enjoy the movie.

Cyclops is far from the only reason to watch such a big ensemble movie such as X3.

I'm a true X-Men fan. I'm not a drooling Wolverine fanboy. None the less, if the death of Cyclops is handled correctly, and the rest of the movie performs, I will enjoy X3. I certainly won't be voting with my feet on behalf of one character, and frankly, I don't think such threats have the studio worried. The amount of X-Men fans who won't go and see X3 because of the death of Cyclops will barely register on their profits.

So in short, don't label other members inferior X-Men fans just because they aren't prepared to boycot X3 because of the death of a character. You just come across as faintly delerious, hissy fit and all.

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Post of the week ladies and gents :up:

[migs]

For everyone that thinks cyke will come back at the end of the movie...

I sure hope it happens, but I cant think of a way to bring him back after being demolecularizes that would be anything but cheesy as all hell. How do you suppose the script would incorperate this. If he were simply knocked out, they could easily just wake him up. Anyone have any thoughts.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Post of the week ladies and gents :up:

Everybody here wants evidence of Cyke's death to believe it.I can't give you an evidence but a closer look at the pictures and the trailer of the movie are leading to this conclusion.Want proof that the funeral is for Cyclops?You'll have it.Just pay attention to my next post.I know that many will not agree but examine the facts carefully...

[WorthyStevens]

For everyone that thinks cyke will come back at the end of the movie...

I sure hope it happens, but I cant think of a way to bring him back after being demolecularizes that would be anything but cheesy as all hell. How do you suppose the script would incorperate this. If he were simply knocked out, they could easily just wake him up. Anyone have any thoughts.

We don't know if he's demolecularized or not. We can toss the AICN script out the window since it's been changed repeatedly since. We've even seen some things in Cyclops' scene in the trailer that supports that. :)

If he were knocked out, he could've woken up after Storm and Logan find Jean and take her back to the mansion. Then when Slim wakes up, he has to find his way back to the mansion while having to keep his eyes closed.

That's my take anyways. He could die, but also, it's not guaranteed he does die.

[_BB_]

I keep seeing this "molecularizing" thing everywhere and what i want to know is where the hell did this stupid idea come from?!?

Seriously, cyclops being reduced to atoms? I dunno if something similar has happened in the comics but its a rediculous notion! If that happens in the movies then you may as well throw in the shi'ar and a couple of alternate dimensions too while you at it.

[Storm22]

AICN script review.

[WorthyStevens]

Everybody here wants evidence of Cyke's death to believe it.I can't give you an evidence but a closer look at the pictures and the trailer of the movie are leading to this conclusion.Want proof that the funeral is for Cyclops?You'll have it.Just pay attention to my next post.I know that many will not agree but examine the facts carefully...

It's not conclusive evidence. Whatever we know is simply circumstantial.

[Specter313]

Everybody here wants evidence of Cyke's death to believe it.I can't give you an evidence but a closer look at the pictures and the trailer of the movie are leading to this conclusion.Want proof that the funeral is for Cyclops?You'll have it.Just pay attention to my next post.I know that many will not agree but examine the facts carefully...

You don't have facts, you have circumstantial evidence, which anyone will tell you never holds up and is used in a serious argument.

[peteapan]

Addressing things as fact with out the context of the who film to back them up is dangerous and probably result in a flawed arguement

[Cyclops Lives!!]

a.What colour has Logan's shirt in the photo with Scott before the second leaves for Alkali Lake?White.This scene is probably one of the first of the film.
b.Did anyone noticed a photo where Logan speaks with Professor and Beast?Beast wear his costume.The same one he wears in the funeral!So,probably this scene comes after the funeral scene or exactly before that.Logan is wearing his red shirt.
c.What shirt Logan is wearing in the photo where he's kissing Jean and then she throws him away?The red one too!So,the funeral scene is close to the one between Jean and Logan.
I bet noone understood what i want to say with all these.Here's my thought.

Cyke goes to Alkali lake.Jean kills him.Logan and Storm find Jean's body and probably Scott's corpse.Then we have Scott's funeral.Jean cannot be there cause she's in a coma situation.After the funeral Logan visits her and follows the scene where she's telling him to kill her,probably because she learned Scott's dead.

[The Batman]

thats stupid. No one finds a dead body then has a funeral a couple hours later

[Specter313]

a.What colour has Logan's shirt in the photo with Scott before the second leaves for Alkali Lake?White.This scene is probably one of the first of the film.
b.Did anyone noticed a photo where Logan speaks with Professor and Beast?Beast wear his costume.The same one he wears in the funeral!So,probably this scene comes after the funeral scene or exactly before that.Logan is wearing his red shirt.
c.What shirt Logan is wearing in the photo where he's kissing Jean and then she throws him away?The red one too!So,the funeral scene is close to the one between Jean and Logan.
I bet noone understood what i want to say with all these.Here's my thought.

Cyke goes to Alkali lake.Jean kills him.Logan and Storm find Jean's body and probably Scott's corpse.Then we have Scott's funeral.Jean cannot be there cause she's in a coma situation.After the funeral Logan visits her and follows the scene where she's telling him to kill her,probably because she learned Scott's dead.

And that's right where you went wrong, not that you were correct in the first place. Look again, Beast is wearing a differnet tie in the scenes where he is at the funeral and when he is talking to the others at the manor.

[Maze]

How about the lack of sorrow of Xavier? if cyke died recently we would see that X has some "mark" of pain?

[WorthyStevens]

a.What colour has Logan's shirt in the photo with Scott before the second leaves for Alkali Lake?White.This scene is probably one of the first of the film.
b.Did anyone noticed a photo where Logan speaks with Professor and Beast?Beast wear his costume.The same one he wears in the funeral!So,probably this scene comes after the funeral scene or exactly before that.Logan is wearing his red shirt.
c.What shirt Logan is wearing in the photo where he's kissing Jean and then she throws him away?The red one too!So,the funeral scene is close to the one between Jean and Logan.
I bet noone understood what i want to say with all these.Here's my thought.

Cyke goes to Alkali lake.Jean kills him.Logan and Storm find Jean's body and probably Scott's corpse.Then we have Scott's funeral.Jean cannot be there cause she's in a coma situation.After the funeral Logan visits her and follows the scene where she's telling him to kill her,probably because she learned Scott's dead.

It's not a funeral. It's a memorial.

[MoiBijou]

a.What colour has Logan's shirt in the photo with Scott before the second leaves for Alkali Lake?White.This scene is probably one of the first of the film.
b.Did anyone noticed a photo where Logan speaks with Professor and Beast?Beast wear his costume.The same one he wears in the funeral!So,probably this scene comes after the funeral scene or exactly before that.Logan is wearing his red shirt.
c.What shirt Logan is wearing in the photo where he's kissing Jean and then she throws him away?The red one too!So,the funeral scene is close to the one between Jean and Logan.
I bet noone understood what i want to say with all these.Here's my thought.

Cyke goes to Alkali lake.Jean kills him.Logan and Storm find Jean's body and probably Scott's corpse.Then we have Scott's funeral.Jean cannot be there cause she's in a coma situation.After the funeral Logan visits her and follows the scene where she's telling him to kill her,probably because she learned Scott's dead.

The tie he's wearing at the funeral is white and blue. The one he's wearing when he talks with Xavier is blue and orange. Different scenes.

[peteapan]

Lol aw what a comprehensive slaughtering of that arguement. brilliant stuff!

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Ok,maybe i'm wrong but i cannot see the tie's colour in the picture i'm refering.But,as i said,maybe you're right.

[Hugh'sMrs]

To be fair to Wolverine when he says

"Look at me jean, we can help you, we can fix it, we can make it like it was, please... stay with me"

He didn't mean 'make it like it was' in reference to their relationship, but rather the life she had in general.Although I'm not really sure how that's possible if Scott is dead. I also think he means 'stay with me' as in stay focused because she's hysterical, not as in 'be my girl'. 'Stay with me' is actually a cliche that's used in lots of movies during high stress situations where a person is losing it (or dying)

[Storm22]

That's how I interpreted that line too and I'd say that's the way the line was intended.

[_BB_]

^ your right on that one. If you look in the background in that scene you can see all the equipment is levitating so its obvious she is losing control of her powers, she know it, logan knows it and hes just trying to help her focus and regain control of herself which as we know, isnt going to happen

[Maze]

He didn't mean 'make it like it was' in reference to their relationship, but rather the life she had in general.Although I'm not really sure how that's possible if Scott is dead

yup , if scott is dead either the line of dialogue is really stupid or they made Logan even more stupid :D

hey,That would explain why she throw him in the wall :eek: :D

[peteapan]

To be fair to Wolverine when he says

"Look at me jean, we can help you, we can fix it, we can make it like it was, please... stay with me"

He didn't mean 'make it like it was' in reference to their relationship, but rather the life she had in general.Although I'm not really sure how that's possible if Scott is dead. I also think he means 'stay with me' as in stay focused because she's hysterical, not as in 'be my girl'. 'Stay with me' is actually a cliche that's used in lots of movies during high stress situations where a person is losing it (or dying)

You are right but like u say a bit tough if cyke is dead, and if he is dead and he is saying we can make it like it was then its very disrespectful. I just wanted to see a scene that indicates Scott and Jean going through the pain of this situation and was gutted when all I saw was Logan trying to talk her round.

[WorthyStevens]

You are right but like u say a bit tough if cyke is dead, and if he is dead and he is saying we can make it like it was then its very disrespectful. I just wanted to see a scene that indicates Scott and Jean going through the pain of this situation and was gutted when all I saw was Logan trying to talk her round.

I hated that too. :(

But remember, just because he tries to get through to her doesn't mean he actually will.

[MoiBijou]

He was saying "try to control yourself, BE yourself and not Phoenix". Logan is a tough, sometimes harsh dude, but I doubt he'll say to a woman who is going nuts and (maybe) has lost her love "head to bed, baby". :D

[WorthyStevens]

Logan is a tough, sometimes harsh dude, but I doubt he'll say to a woman who is going nuts and (maybe) has lost her love "head to bed, baby". :D

Pun, no? :D

:p

[peteapan]

I hated that too. :(

But remember, just because he tries to get through to her doesn't mean he actually will.

you said about the funeral scene actually being a memorial. u reckon it comes at end of the film then?

[miketx]

i thonk when logan says "we can make it like it was" i don think hes referring to her life "life" (cyclops and all that) i think his refering more to her control of her powers

[Maze]

so basically he is saying we can ressurect Scott and do a threesome again?:confused: :o :eek: :D

[MoiBijou]

Pun, no? :D

:p

Non-intented, but it is. :D

[Maze]

i thonk when logan says "we can make it like it was" i don think hes referring to her life "life" (cyclops and all that) i think his refering more to her control of her powers
Yup , but if cyke is dead , how can she not think of him with a line like that?

How can they make it like it was?

[miketx]

his referring to putting the mental blocks back into her mind

[peteapan]

It surely can never be like it was with her love dead.

[miketx]

maybe thats what sends her over the edge

[Maze]

his referring to putting the mental blocks back into her mind

Again i understood that..i'm saying that this line is awkward even if he is refering to her powers ( which i think he is)
Jean cannot not think of Scott with a line like that , if he is dead.

if he is dead they can't make it like it was.

It's over.

[Maze]

maybe thats what sends her over the edge

The awkwardness of wolverine?

something like " i'v just lost my lover!!I KILLED HIM! AND that ****ing idiot tell me that we can make it like it was??!!

i'm leaving this place right now! :o :D

[Cyclops Lives!!]

It surely can never be like it was with her love dead.

This is Hollywood my friend.Everything can happen,everything...So,don't be surprised if at the end of the film Wolverine,after three films of trying,he finaly gets the girl!I'm joking about that but do not except justice to Cyclops' character in this one.

[WorthyStevens]

you said about the funeral scene actually being a memorial. u reckon it comes at end of the film then?

I still think it's for Jean (from X2's ending). So I'm guessing (and hoping) it's in the beginning. Also, remember the leaked photo at the funeral with Iceman, Rogue and Kitty. Rogue has that look of shock and bitterness when she sees Bobby holding hands with Kitty, and I'm guessing that'll build up the love triangle between those three, which would have to start in the near-beginning to flesh it out throughout the movie.

[WorthyStevens]

Non-intented, but it is. :D

Good then. :D

[miketx]

no the fact that he"cant make it like it was"

[Maze]

yup they can't..That's why this line would be stupid if cyke is dead.

[EndlesIn]

To be fair to Wolverine when he says

"Look at me jean, we can help you, we can fix it, we can make it like it was, please... stay with me"

He didn't mean 'make it like it was' in reference to their relationship, but rather the life she had in general.Although I'm not really sure how that's possible if Scott is dead. I also think he means 'stay with me' as in stay focused because she's hysterical, not as in 'be my girl'. 'Stay with me' is actually a cliche that's used in lots of movies during high stress situations where a person is losing it (or dying) You got something there Hugh'sMrs. Upon what you just stated, I believe the reason to why he said that is maybe she tells him she might've killed scott why she askes him to kill her?

[Maze]

Or Wolverine doesn't know that Cyke is dead yet..

[miketx]

personaly i think you all reading way to deep in one line

[peteapan]

Or Wolverine doesn't know that Cyke is dead yet..

Him finding the glasses like that and no sign of cyke other than the glasses indicates this is the case. He may not know he is dead as he has literally had every trace of him removed.

[Maze]

mike , the thing is if Cyke is dead any normal human being would feel awkward after saying something along those lines..No need no read that much into it..

[Maze]

Him finding the glasses like that and no sign of cyke other than the glasses indicates this is the case. He may not know he is dead as he has literally had every trace of him removed.

finding only the glasses could mean many things for him..that would leave especially a lot of questions ..

the thing i'm sure is that ,i doubt the first throught that would cross his mind would be "well , Jean demolecularized him"

and even if that is the case ( i don't see how but let's say it is) that's the kind of thiing somebody would not wan't to believe ( i mean look at us! :D )

[peteapan]

lol that one word has people going nuts right up til the movie comes out! I hope that we know as much as wolvy. ie we see something about to happen, but the next thing we see is the discovery of the glasses and jean, so both characters and audience are left guessing. at least that way there is a poss of a return at some point in some movie, hopefully of course this one!

[Maze]

lol ...yup ..now i don't see how Xavier would not guess what's happened in reading her mind..

and i don't see any good reason to hide it from the XMen..

[peteapan]

lol ...yup ..now i don't see how Xavier would not guess what's happened in reading her mind..

We dont know he doesnt tbh. he may very well find out what has happened, but they have excluded any signs of stress from him from the trailer.

[Maze]

i did an edit to my post ;)

[peteapan]

He might die before he can tell them?

[Maze]

but they have excluded any signs of stress from him from the trailer.

well , he looks like he fears what Jean could become..but i have a hard time believing that we would not see any recent "mark" of sorrow..either that or Xavier doesn't care..and that doesn't make any sense.:D

[peteapan]

He might just be like, i never liked that soppy git anyway... here storm u have a go at being team leader.

But in seriousness i would have thought he would have shown some grief is cyke was to have been killed early on

[Maze]

Lol that's why something is fishy.i mean look at the moment when he says "she has to be controled" he doesn't look like somebody who just lost a man he considered like his son..

now , maybe Patrick and Brett did a mistake in the characterization of Xavier at that moment in the movie..:D

[Storm22]

Xavier looked VERY scared in that scene, loved it!

[Maze]

yup , me too..

But again if cyke was dead , Xavier would have some sign of grief..

[conan69]

"I keep seeing this "molecularizing" thing everywhere and what i want to know is where the hell did this stupid idea come from?!?

Seriously, cyclops being reduced to atoms? I dunno if something similar has happened in the comics but its a rediculous notion!"


Also remember the scene in the trailer that was removed, probally becuase its considered to much of a spoiler - Xaviers empty chair with a weeping Wolv and Storm kneeing next to it.

My guess and Ill put money on this is - the scenes of Jean in the lab are right after they find her at the lake, she awakens and is told by Logan she killed Cyclops(the scene in the trailer with Jean crying). She looses control and leaves the mansion in a fury. Wolv Storm and Profx track her to her parents home where she then kills kills Xavier.

We know the Brotherhood are also there and its then,after killing Xavier that she leaves with them/joins Magneto.

JM said back around June or May that he wanted to be in X3 and would do the movie for free if he had to. Its obvious he cares. He took the job in SR before X3 had a shooting schedule. The thing is if they wanted him in the movie, they could have worked something out. For example,they could have filmed his scenes after principle photography had ended or used a stunt doubel for the scenes in the final battle where hes in uniform, and filmed his closeups at another time. To kill him off in such a stupid way shows a real lack of care.

Its easy to dismiss it as simple fanboy ranting, since were takling about a fictional characters but its obvious people can care about fictional characters - James Bond, Star Wars and Indy being examples and I think if this type of political situation lead to one of those characters being treated so carelessly, people would be pissed off too.


Kinbergs statements about the studio dictating alot of what happens is true only furthers what we already know. And despite people saying the AICN treatment being old and alot has changed, from what weve learned, its obvious alot of it hasnt. Alot of the plot elements and storyline from that treatment still exists.

And Im glad others are agreeing with me about Logan line in the trailer, to a woman he barely knows is ridiculous.

[WorthyStevens]

"I keep seeing this "molecularizing" thing everywhere and what i want to know is where the hell did this stupid idea come from?!?

Seriously, cyclops being reduced to atoms? I dunno if something similar has happened in the comics but its a rediculous notion!"


Also remember the scene in the trailer that was removed, probally becuase its considered to much of a spoiler - Xaviers empty chair with a weeping Wolv and Storm kneeing next to it.

My guess and Ill put money on this is the scene in the trailer with Jena crying is after she realized shes killed Scott which sends her out of the mansion in a fury. Wolv Storm adn Profx track her to her home where she then kills kills Xavier.

The Brotherhood were also at Jeans hom and its then that she leaves with them/joins Magneto.

Kinbergs statements about the studio dictating alot of what happens is true only furthers what we already know. And despite people saying the AICN treatment being old and alot has changed, from what weve learned, its obvious alot of it hasnt. Alot of the plot elements and storyline from that treatment still exists.

Or so it appears. We've only seen 2 trailers so far. Not the whole movie.

[lordofthenerds]

Or so it appears. We've only seen 2 trailers so far. Not the whole movie.
Yet, we've seen enough to see that a lot of the plot elements from that script will be in the movie. Maybe they won't end teh exact same way or have the exact same dialogue, but its obvious that some scenes are very similar to the ones from the AICN draft.

[Maze]

i agree conan..in parts.

I mean yup i don't see why jean would wan't to die unless she believe she did something that she can't deal with..

but again , why Xavier doesn't seem to have some sign of griefs..and why Logan would say something so stupid?

they can't make it like it was. (and that never end..:D)

[Storm22]

But again if cyke was dead , he would have some sign of grief..

That's one thing I've noticed in general, NO signs of grieving for Cyclops. I'm going on the assumption that the funeral is indeed for Xavier(so we at least see the mourning for him). Presumably IF Cyclops did die Wolverine and Storm would have come back from Alkali Lake with Jean's body and news of Cyclop's demise but from the footage we've seen it's as if they just don't give a damn Cyclops (supposedly)died and they immediately move on and instead focus on Jean.
I'm interested as to what happens when and after Wolverine finds Cyclops' floating glasses - do they assume he's dead or do they assume he's missing? If it's the latter do they even bother looking for him, if it's the former do they bother grieving for him at all?

[conan69]

double post, SHH is sssslooowwwwwwwww

[lordofthenerds]

That's one thing I've noticed in general, NO signs of grievance for Cyclops. I'm going on the assumption that the funeral is indeed for Xavier(so we at least see the mourning for him). Presumably IF Cyclops did die Wolverine and Storm would have come back from Alkali Lake with Jean's body and news of Cyclop's demise but from the footage we've seen it's as if they just don't give a damn Cyclops (supposedly)died and they immediately move on and instead focus on Jean.
I'm interested as to what happens when and after Wolverine finds Cyclops' floating glasses - do they assume he's dead or do they assume he's missing? If it's the latter do they even bother looking for him, if it's the former do they bother grieving for him at all?
So? As Worthy stated before we haven't seen the whole movie, probably at least Storm will greive some.

[Storm22]

I guess what I'm really trying to say is I don't think anyone can be sure of what's gonna happen(Cyclops Lives!!) There's too many "what ifs" to consider!

[Maze]

Fair enough Lord ,

but again look at Xavier when he says "she has to be controled"..it's from the scene after Jean escape..He looks scared , but there is not one sign that he dealt with the loss of somebody he considered like his son..when you just dealt with the loss of somebody there are marks..

[lordofthenerds]

Fair enough Lord ,

but again look at Xavier when he says "she has to be controled"..it's from the scene after Jean escape..He looks scared , but there is not one sign that he dealt with the loss of somebody he considered like his son..when you just dealt with the loss of somebody there are marks..
I can understand where you're going with this but really what do you expect? Do you want Xavier to commit suicide or something? Have him be happy in some scenes and maybe their could be a scene with him grieving with Storm, and another one of him acting all moppey.

[The Infernal]

I think Cyclops would have benefited if the story had been different and they had introduced Havok. Then he would have had a lot more story time. Havok could have turned and joined the Brotherhood though to an extent that would be like Iceman and Pyro but seeing as Cyke is more of a main character they could have fleshed it out more. Maybe next film then.

Though I'd of liked to see the Cyclops/Wolverine dynamic fleshed out more in these movies but it doesn't look like we'll get that either. Even if Scott lives there won't be enough screen time.

[Maze]

ok , but again there would be some marks from the grieving..Or Brett , Patrick
and the make up people ,among others, did some mistakes ;)

[Eros]

maybe their not grieving for cyclops because they really didn't like him. I know Wolverine wouldn't give, and storm probbaly wouldn't break down and cry. But the professor would atleast feel sad. Rogue would not cry as her and cyclops have no relationship and have not said a word to each other in the movies, and the same thing for Ice-man as well. So one must assume thier not grieving because the joy of finding Jean is superior then the "sadness" of loseing cyclops?

[Storm22]

Are you serious??!! SERIOUSLY??!!

[Maze]

Like Lord said we have seen little footage , and they could grieve at other moments..

i just say that imo to not have some sign that Xavier dealt recently with a major loss (like having him slightly tired or something along those lines) is suspicious..

now again maybe that doesn't mean anything and that's just an "acting error"

[Maze]

So one must assume thier not grieving because the joy of finding Jean is superior then the "sadness" of loseing cyclops?

uh..wolverine seemed to care for scott at the end of X2..

and even if he didn't care about him , he knows that Jean care a lot about him , so i don't think that he would not have some sort of feeling on the matter..

[flavio_lebeau]

double post

[flavio_lebeau]

sorry people if this was already posted, but im not gonna read all the pages. In one of those pics taken from Cameron Bright at the X-set, you can clearly see Cyclops in the background, and he's wearing his uniform visor, so i think we might see him in more scenes than only alkali lake...if you look hard you can also see that the actors covered by the blur are ian mckellen and possibly halle berry, so the scene might envolve battle too.
link: Cyclops (http://www.geocities.com/flaviboy18/cyke.html)

[MoiBijou]

I thought that pic of Cyke was a poster at the bottom of the image... :confused:

[Storm22]

I still think it's highly unlikely it's a poster. It does look like Cyclops but I'm not gettin my hopes up based on this pic.