Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[lordofthenerds]

*coughhe'lldiefromagaragedoorsmashinghisheadcough*
Wow that was a long cough. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

*shouts* CYCLOPS LIVES DAMNIT!! Y'ALL STOP BEING PESSIMISTS!!!!!!

You make a great point, Rogue. :D

[WorthyStevens]

*coughhe'lldiefromagaragedoorsmashinghisheadcough*
Wow that was a long cough. ;)

Don't make me shove a cough drop down your throat, like I had to do to Lex! :D ;)


:p

[Kira]

*coughhe'lldiefromagaragedoorsmashinghisheadcough*
Wow that was a long cough. ;)

Longest. Cough. Ever. Negative Nelly... :D

[The Original Bamfer]

Should we (I) bring this up to Simon at Xverse? :p

[FRUITY]

*coughcoughohnoigotthejustbillflucough*

[The Original Bamfer]

*sneeze*youguysaresomewhatstupid*sneeze*

[Spidey 2007]

Should we (I) bring this up to Simon at Xverse? :p

why the holy hell not! whats the least he could say, lol, even if he doesnt give us confirmatoion that means it couldnt specifically be a poster or something ya know what i mean....at least one detail.....

[JustABill]

MOM! TOB called us somewhat stupid!

[Spidey 2007]

*cough*itsfunnyhoweveryonejustquitwithcaringabouth isordealandstartingcoughinglol&whatsupwiththiscoughingbulldung*cough*

[JustABill]

Ted and Matt would just delete it, like the little control freaks they are. :D

[SlimDayspring]

*cough*cough*cough*

[Spidey 2007]

*cough*cough*cough*

*cough*lol*cough*

[xwolverine2]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9349/cyclops1759zc.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1314/cyclops1503lm.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3771/cyclops1dark755zq.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1781/cyclops1dark500ad.gif (http://imageshack.us)


http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7387/cyclops2756cj.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2628/cyclops2505dd.gif (http://imageshack.us)

made these too..

[MoiBijou]

http://www.hors.cz/katalog/images/mentol.jpg

You need some of these. :D

[LEX]

*coughsohnoesbillgavemethefluandpeoplearecopyingme onmycoughingandcyclopswillreturninthefinalbattlehe willhaveaheartbreakingscenewithjeanwhojustreturned fromthestateofdarkphoenixcoughs*

[WorthyStevens]

http://www.hors.cz/katalog/images/mentol.jpg

You need some of these. :D

Well if it isn't Moi, the nurse. :D


:p

[Spidey 2007]

*coughsohnoesbillgavemethefluandpeoplearecopyingme onmycoughingandcyclopswillreturninthefinalbattlehe willhaveaheartbreakingscenewithjeanwhojustreturned fromthestateofdarkphoenixcoughs*


*hopes*prays*hopes*

[Phoenix_Rising]

Hey guys,

I just had a thought, if some1 could find out when Cameron Bright shot his scenes and same for James Marsden and if these shoots coincide this would be more evidence that that is infact Cykes in the pic :-)

[shaggyhess]

Wow, cyclops at the last battle. But i agree, it does look like a 2d picture of him

[WorthyStevens]

http://www.hors.cz/katalog/images/mentol.jpg

You need some of these. :D

*coughsohnoesbillgavemethefluandpeoplearecopyingme onmycoughingandcyclopswillreturninthefinalbattlehe willhaveaheartbreakingscenewithjeanwhojustreturned fromthestateofdarkphoenixcoughs*

I suggest that you use up the whole bag, Lex. :D

[MoiBijou]

Well if it isn't Moi, the nurse. :D


:p

Mmm, I think you've got temperature... you'll need one of this:

http://www.avpph.ch/images/seringe1.gif

:p

[JustABill]

Moi, I'm a mutant. What do you suggest for me? o_O

[WorthyStevens]

Mmm, I think you've got temperature... you'll need one of this:

http://www.avpph.ch/images/seringe1.gif

:p


As long as it's used above the waist. ;)


:p

[LEX]

I suggest that you use up the whole bag, Lex. :D
Mentols for free? I'll take them. :D

[The Original Bamfer]

This is no random chat thread, my friends... We must discuss the whereabouts of Scott! We must... STAY ON... stay... stay on... on... on-on-on *cough*TOPIC*cough* :p

[MoiBijou]

Moi, I'm a mutant. What do you suggest for me? o_O

A cold shower. ;)

:p

As long as it's used above the waist. ;)


Oh, of course... right to the ciatical nerve. It'll hurt during a week. :O

:D

[xwolverine2]

stop the dam coughing!

[Kira]

This is no random chat thread, my friends... We must discuss the whereabouts of Scott! We must... STAY ON... stay... stay on... on... on-on-on *cough*TOPIC*cough* :p

Scott is in the farm with Xavier. :D ;)

[WorthyStevens]

A cold shower. ;)

:p



Oh, of course... right to the ciatical nerve. It'll hurt during a week. :O

:D

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhh. I don't like the sound of that. :(


:p

[WorthyStevens]

Scott is in the farm with Xavier. :D ;)

Xavier's in the kitchen with Dinah, actually. :D

And Scott's finding a needle in a haystack. ;)


:p

[shaggyhess]

Scott is in starbucks drinking a mocca latte

[The Original Bamfer]

stop the dam coughing!

Hey, that one was real - Ironic, huh? :p

[Phoenix_Rising]

I did some fiddling around with the sharpness of the image and you can now clearly see a colour difference between the ruby part of his visor and the rest of it, if this were a poster the colours would have much less difference, what you guys think:

http://x10.putfile.com/3/8016464125-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8016464125.jpg&s=x10)

(You have to click on it to see the bigger version)

[The Original Bamfer]

its a bit small...

[shaggyhess]

Click it to make it bigger

[Phoenix_Rising]

Read above Original Bamfer.

[Phoenix_Rising]

I've flipped the Beast image and added the part which I think we can see clearly: the windows match the blurred white shapes, the blind matches what looks like the same blind behind Cyclops so it looks like they've taken this photo from the opposite angle to which the other one was taken:

http://x10.putfile.com/3/8017011043.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8017011043.jpg&s=x10)

[shaggyhess]

That looks awfully similar, nicely done

[LEX]

^Wow. :eek::up: It does look similar.

[The Original Bamfer]

Great job! thats what I attempted to point out ;)

[WorthyStevens]

I've flipped the Beast image and added the part which I think we can see clearly: the windows match the blurred white shapes, the blind matches what looks like the same blind behind Cyclops so it looks like they've taken this photo from the opposite angle to which the other one was taken:

http://x10.putfile.com/3/8017011043.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8017011043.jpg&s=x10)


:eek:

Sweetness and a half!

[shaggyhess]

Well, we all work together here. Pictures evolve until it's at its clearist

[Aiden]

Awesome

[xwolverine2]

CYCLOPS DEMOLICURIZED!
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4774/cyclopsbloodybamf6cz.gif (http://imageshack.us)
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[The Original Bamfer]

Well, we all work together here. Pictures evolve until it's at its clearist

Oh definitely! It was great!

[LEX]

Again I say, that is total blasphemy. :o You better run, mate. :p

[SilentType]

Again I say, that is total blasphemy. :o You better run, mate. :p
I was tarred and feathered for my avy...

[WorthyStevens]

I was tarred and feathered for my avy...

And soon to be given a massive massive wedgie... :mad:
















:D :p

[Kira]

I was tarred and feathered for my avy...

Dude. That is one cold avatar. You just made a girl cry. I hope your happy. :o












:D

[xwolverine2]

I was tarred and feathered for my avy...
well yours is meaner......at least in mine he doesnt explode RIGHT in front of jean

[LEX]

I was tarred and feathered for my avy...
Yours and his are equally mean. Burn them at stakes! :mad:










Sorry, I watch too much Buffy. I kid. :p

[cyke93]

First person to nab the novelization/comic adaption and confirm what happens to Cyclops before we pay money to see it ourselves wins the Internet.

when does it come out by the way? so i can avoid the boards

[Aiden]

May 16th. It wont follow the movie exactly though

[SilentType]

well yours is meaner......at least in mine he doesnt explode RIGHT in front of jean
If I wanted to be mean, I would have posted this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7974/bigpop21ti.gif

[DarknessOfDeath]

I find that disturbing... :(

[WorthyStevens]

I'll give you a ten second head start to get away. And you better run for your dear life. :o :mad:














:p :D

[DarknessOfDeath]

-changes the fire setting on his visor from stun to kill- ... yeah...




:D :p It doesn't hurt to play around :hyper:

[Knives122]

If I wanted to be mean, I would have posted this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7974/bigpop21ti.gif
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMM :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Kira]

I know that pic is disturbing and wrong and yet I can't help but laugh... :O :D

[lordofthenerds]

If I wanted to be mean, I would have posted this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7974/bigpop21ti.gif
:eek: :mad: It seems like we've got a sacrifice for Cyclops guys. Crucify him!

[Halcohol]

It's still funny every time, though. You can't deny that :D

Awww... true love.. I love you, Scott... I love you, Jean... BOOM.

[lordofthenerds]

It's still funny every time, though. You can't deny that :D

Awww... true love.. I love you, Scott... I love you, Jean... BOOM.
Yeah it is funny, but it's also cruel. But what am I talking about, I love cruel humor.

[Iceman]

That's quite funny SilentType ;)

[WorthyStevens]

It's still funny every time, though. You can't deny that :D

Awww... true love.. I love you, Scott... I love you, Jean... BOOM.

It's funny. But still....


Damn SilentType's cold heart. :(















;) :p

[SilentType]

Cold as ice, babay

[LEX]

If I wanted to be mean, I would have posted this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7974/bigpop21ti.gif
Okay, that is the LAST STRAW! TIE HIM UP! :mad:

[chaseter]

Hahahahahaha!

[mustanger405]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8313/first6fo.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7803/colage27ad.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4066/third5vg.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5168/fourth9oj.jpg

[Another_Fool]

Well sorry to break the news, but after all the hope, we may be getting some bad dosage of news from mr Kinberg himself.

1. Would Cyclop's role been significantly different if Marsden was around more to shoot scenes?

*Come on, enough Cyclops questions.

2. A number of fans have taken your comments about "surprises" and believe the surprise will centre around Cyclops. Can we expect any surprise about Cyclops in X3 whatsoever or were you referring to other characters? I only ask because I think it is better people don't feel dissapointed. Please, just any hint.

*See above: enough Cyclops. But no, that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to other characters, and other plot twists. I’m not trying to lead you on about Cyclops. I’ve said before, we did the best we could with Cyclops, and we are incredibly big fans of the character and actor. The remaining surprises are both big and small – some cool twists, and some little texture moments.

Does that mean that he's still gonna die? No, not necessarily, but it definitely brings us back to square one.

[LEX]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8313/first6fo.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7803/colage27ad.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4066/third5vg.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5633/fourth4wg.jpg
^:up::eek:

[WorthyStevens]

Well sorry to break the news, but after all the hope, we may be getting some bad dosage of news from mr Kinberg himself.

1. Would Cyclop's role been significantly different if Marsden was around more to shoot scenes?

*Come on, enough Cyclops questions.

2. A number of fans have taken your comments about "surprises" and believe the surprise will centre around Cyclops. Can we expect any surprise about Cyclops in X3 whatsoever or were you referring to other characters? I only ask because I think it is better people don't feel dissapointed. Please, just any hint.

*See above: enough Cyclops. But no, that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to other characters, and other plot twists. I’m not trying to lead you on about Cyclops. I’ve said before, we did the best we could with Cyclops, and we are incredibly big fans of the character and actor. The remaining surprises are both big and small – some cool twists, and some little texture moments.


Does that mean that he's still gonna die? No, not necessarily, but it definitely brings us back to square one.

It doesn't bring us back to 'square one'. We still have that one pic of what's possibly Cyclops at the same place Beast is at the battle.

[WorthyStevens]

mustanger, that collage is awesome. :D

[mustanger405]

Guys I made a slight change on my post so whoever posted my collage please change it if you could.....well I guess it doesnt matter but I changed the words so it flowed better. :)

[mustanger405]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5362/first1vq.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3980/colage21tg.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7484/third9sg.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9060/fourth0jf.jpg

[mustanger405]

Guys I might have to go with him dying ...Simon seemed aggravated and said that the suprises were not referring to Cyclops. I am very dissapointed. I had much hope hearing they made drastic changes to some of the major deaths. I cant believe it. Its like my hopes reached a an all time high then were broken down by Simon's last post. It is almost certain in my mind now that he dies and demolecularizes. They will pay for this.
Cyclops will live in our hearts!!

[WorthyStevens]

Guys I might have to go with him dying ...Simon seemed aggravated and said that the suprises were not referring to Cyclops. I am very dissapointed. I had much hope hearing they made drastic changes to some of the major deaths. I cant believe it. Its like my hopes reached a an all time high then were broken down by Simon's last post. It is almost certain in my mind now that he dies and demolecularizes. They will pay for this.
Cyclops will live in our hearts!!

What changed your mind? Simon's latest answer didn't tell us a whole lot on either side.

[JustABill]

Simon's latest answer pisses me off, not because it sells out Cykes dying, but because he's aggreviated at answering questions about Cyclops. If he wouldn't have wrote that damn draft where he died in the first place, he wouldn't be getting all these questions.


So, it's his own fault.

[mustanger405]

Well first of all worthy....he referred to a scene with Logan as one that he loves with Cyke, We know that is the scene at the mansion since we have pics of it. He said that the suprise did not refer to Cyclops. I know he will die at the lake. I always knew that but I was almost sure with all this buzz they were going to bring him back at the end and shock the audience and especially after hearing some news that big character deaths were left out. But Simon would not comment at all about Cyclops and said he did the best he could with his character. Just look at the trailers....I only had hope they would bring him back at the end but now that Simon said no suprises referred to Cyclops all hope is lost he said I am not trying to lead you on with Cyke we did the best we can. Almost as saying now just leave me alone about him HE WONT HAVE A BIG PART....DEAL WITH IT. Thats the kind of attitude I got coming from Simon
Well if the best he could do was kill him off...He is a horrible writer considering he is a huge Cyclops fan. Oh and Simon if you reading this I am summers101 on xverse. I felt ur last post about Cyke kind of gave away his conclusive death. That is just bad script writing

[WorthyStevens]

Well first of all worthy....he referred to a scene of Logan as one that he loves with Cyke, We know that is the scene at the mansion since we have pics of it. He said that the suprise did not refer to Cyclops. I know he will die at the lake. I always knew that but I was almost sure with all this buzz they were going to bring him back at the end and shock the audience and especially after hearing some news that big character deaths were left out. But Simon would not comment at all about Cyclops and said he did the best he could with his character. Just look at the trailers....I only had hope they would bring him back at the end but now that Simon said no suprises referred to Cyclops all hope is lost he said I am not trying to lead you on with Cyke we did the best we can. Almost as saying now just leave me alone about him
Well if the best he could do was kill him off...He is a horrible writer considering he is a huge Cyclops fan. Oh and Simon if you reading this I am summers101 on xverse. I felt ur last post about Cyke kind of gave away his conclusive death. That is just bad script writing

The thing is though, this thread has been on so many ups and downs in terms of 'Will Scott Die/Get Demolecularized' or not, we really should be prepared for anything Simon says or any kind of 'proof'.

So really, this isn't surprising to me. This is stuff that I've already known, but I still don't think he'll die. Or at least, he won't get demolecularized.

[Another_Fool]

It doesn't bring us back to 'square one'. We still have that one pic of what's possibly Cyclops at the same place Beast is at the battle.

Allow me to clarify "square one". Someone was gonna post it eventually, someone was gonna say something, so I thought eh, since I saw it, might as well post it and I figure someone/somepeople will start worrying all over again. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily mean he's still dead, since I feel we have a picture that looks like Cyke in a battle background. I was just getting this whole Kinberg quote over with.

[WorthyStevens]

Allow me to clarify "square one". Someone was gonna post it eventually, someone was gonna say something, so I thought eh, since I saw it, might as well post it and I figure someone/somepeople will start worrying all over again. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily mean he's still dead, since I feel we have a picture that looks like Cyke in a battle background. I was just getting this whole Kinberg quote over with.

Yeah, somebody definitely would've, and the reaction could have been alot worse.

[the Firestarter]

I just saw an entry in the Marvel Directory within the Jean Grey section "http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jeangrey.htm" that might give a hint to Cyclops fate in X3. There is a synopsis of a Cyclops encounter with Apocalypse in which Cyclops is assumed dead, but was actually still alive, and was able to return in the end. Since Ratner hinted that everything in the movie was taken from something in the comics I think the same scenario would fit in well within the context of X3, only substituting Dark Pheonix for Apocalypse.

In the story Cyclops gets in the way of Apocalypse's draining circuit & as a result merges with him, creating a new evil entity. Almost all the xmen believe Scott has perished & he is presumed dead. In the end Cyclops (with Jean's help) struggles to reassert his mind over Apocalypse's psyche & with some help he is exorsised shattering the evil warlord's psyche.

I think it's plausible that Cyclops is demoleculized & absorbed into the Pheonix entity. Cyclops is presumed dead & they have a funeral for him while Jean is recuperating in the infirmary as Professor X and Wolverine attend to her (note their absense from the funeral scene). When Jean learns of Cyclops "death" this causes her a great deal of emotional turmoil & negative feelings that cause her to leave the mansion & head "home". It ultimately leads to her also being lost to this new evil entity and becoming the Dark Pheonix. Not sure if the professor is also absorbed, but perhaps he is the one to help Jean to reassert her mind over the Pheonix's psyche... and/or Cyclops might help her to do so from within (consistent with his attempts to help Jean regain self-control in the Dark Pheonix saga). Either way, Jean regains control over that part of her psyche, Cyclops & perhaps Professor X are released / exorcised, and the essense of the Pheonix is shattered. And in the end the three of them rejoin their teammates. End of trilogy.

Forget what Simon is saying. I think he's trying to throw everyone off.

[Halcohol]

I think the poor guy's just tired of being interrogated about Cyclops. He's not gonna tell us anymore, and I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised come May 26.

Firestarter, that sounds pretty cool, but I don't know how the merged psyche thing will play on screen. It'll probably seem pretty cheesy, no?

[WorthyStevens]

I think the poor guy's just tired of being interrogated about Cyclops. He's not gonna tell us anymore, and I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised come May 26.

Firestarter, that sounds pretty cool, but I don't know how the merged psyche thing will play on screen. It'll probably seem pretty cheesy, no?

He definitely is tired of it. Although, I did ask him about Cyclops recently... which I don't think was a spoiler. :O

[The Guard]

Well first of all worthy....he referred to a scene with Logan as one that he loves with Cyke

That's because it's a scene that included both Logan and Cyclops, and Simon isn't allowed to reveal spoilers. So he pointed out a scene with Logan, meaning "they have a scene together"

He said that the suprise did not refer to Cyclops.

Actually he implied that there are several different meanings and kinds of surprises in store. That some of them are large, and that some of them add texture to characters.

But Simon would not comment at all about Cyclops and said he did the best he could with his character.

That's because he's tired of moronic fanboys taking advantage of primo question asking time asking him repeatedly to talk about a character he is not allowed to talk about, after both he and the mods have asked them to stop doing so.

Just look at the trailers....I only had hope they would bring him back at the end but now that Simon said no suprises referred to Cyclops all hope is lost

When did he ever say "There are no surprises with Cyclops" or even imply it?

Almost as saying now just leave me alone about him HE WONT HAVE A BIG PART....DEAL WITH IT.

Or maybe, just maybe, he's tired of moronic fanboys taking advantage of primo question asking time asking him repeatedly to talk about a character he is not allowed to talk about, after both he and the mods have asked them to stop doing so.

Thats the kind of attitude I got coming from Simon

Or maybe, had you been paying attention, you would gleaned that he's tired of moronic fanboys taking advantage of primo question asking time asking him repeatedly to talk about a character he is not allowed to talk about, after both he and the mods have asked them to stop doing so.

Well if the best he could do was kill him off...He is a horrible writer considering he is a huge Cyclops fan.

Why? Would it be better for Cyclops to disappear for the entire film?

Oh and Simon if you reading this I am summers101 on xverse. I felt ur last post about Cyke kind of gave away his conclusive death. That is just bad script writing

Riiight. Or maybe he's tired of moronic fanboys taking advantage of primo question asking time asking him repeatedly to talk about a character he is not allowed to talk about, after both he and the mods have asked them to stop doing so.

In closing, I was watching X2 yesterday, in particular the scene at Alkali Lake where a recovered Cyclops goes to Jean's aid after they "scrap". Assuming that you pay attention to the intricacies of the scene, there is absolutely no way a sane person could not believe that it has been shown in these films that they love each other. I believe several very emotional "I love you's" take place.

Odd. And here I thought Logan had been portrayed as the one who would get Jean.

[mustanger405]

No I dont think so I remember Zak Penn also said that the story will greatly differ from the comics when asked if Cyclops plays a crucial role with Jean. Zak said u have to worry about studios, driectors, contracts and claimed writing characters into a story was a very circumscribed process. Guys everything that has been released has pointed to him dying the same way as in the original script. As I said earlier he starts to demolecularize on screen right there before ur eyes in the latest trailer. Its clear as day and I am glad that I am the only one that sees if if thats the case. Just keep pausing it on that scene. He face begins to transform in a bad way. I cant deny it anymore. Evrything that has been fed to us except a tiny promo pic of him in uniform which trust me he will never get into has pointed to Cykes death.
1. The scruffy apppearance of Cyclops which is the same as the early review.
2. He is shown in the same friggin scene in both trailers.
3. Simon's latest post that said we tryed our best with Cyke and no suprises were referring to him. He seemed to be getting very angered by the Cyke questions
4. His glasses floating in mid air, they friggin take us for idiots trust me guys we are over analyazing. Either they take us die hard fans for fools or just dont care at all since they are making his death so clear as day.
5. They are required by contract not to give away any deaths. Thats why Simon is so close lipped.
6. He said I am not trying to lead u guys on. he is prolly reading our forum and thinking wow they really are digging way to deep into something that was never there.
7. James had very lil time on set and Simon and Zak Penn have made that very known.
8. Trust me every question that has been answered by Simon leads to the conclusion that Cyke is going to bite the big one. And Demolecularize on screen while we pay the damn studio money in ticket prices for this b.s. portrayal of one of the most beloved and renowned comic book characters.
9. The new promo pic with Cyke and Jean. Come on!! That is taken right out of the early script!!.....The problem with all this guys is the fact is they know we prolly will see the movie anyways and also realize the movie has a huge fanbase which does not only consist of diehard fans who dont relate with Cyclops like we do.
10. They only care about making money and with the circumstances they had to write Cyke out. and us fans will suffer. Also when talking about James performance he said I love a scene he has with Logan. Well that is in the first 15 friggin min of the movie before he goes to the lake.
I am sorry guys I am just really pissed that my worst fear has been realized. I had hope I really did but that hope is gone now

[FieryBalrog]

I just saw an entry in the Marvel Directory within the Jean Grey section "http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jeangrey.htm" that might give a hint to Cyclops fate in X3. There is a synopsis of a Cyclops encounter with Apocalypse in which Cyclops is assumed dead, but was actually still alive, and was able to return in the end. Since Ratner hinted that everything in the movie was taken from something in the comics I think the same scenario would fit in well within the context of X3, only substituting Dark Pheonix for Apocalypse.

In the story Cyclops gets in the way of Apocalypse's draining circuit & as a result merges with him, creating a new evil entity. Almost all the xmen believe Scott has perished & he is presumed dead. In the end Cyclops (with Jean's help) struggles to reassert his mind over Apocalypse's psyche & with some help he is exorsised shattering the evil warlord's psyche.

I think it's plausible that Cyclops is demoleculized & absorbed into the Pheonix entity. Cyclops is presumed dead & they have a funeral for him while Jean is recuperating in the infirmary as Professor X and Wolverine attend to her (note their absense from the funeral scene). When Jean learns of Cyclops "death" this causes her a great deal of emotional turmoil & negative feelings that cause her to leave the mansion & head "home". It ultimately leads to her also being lost to this new evil entity and becoming the Dark Pheonix. Not sure if the professor is also absorbed, but perhaps he is the one to help Jean to reassert her mind over the Pheonix's psyche... and/or Cyclops might help her to do so from within (consistent with his attempts to help Jean regain self-control in the Dark Pheonix saga). Either way, Jean regains control over that part of her psyche, Cyclops & perhaps Professor X are released / exorcised, and the essense of the Pheonix is shattered. And in the end the three of them rejoin their teammates. End of trilogy.

Forget what Simon is saying. I think he's trying to throw everyone off.

I'm going to have to say that's too complicated to be in the movie, and also Phoenix doesn't really work like that, can't shatter the essence of Phoenix from Jean.

[the Firestarter]

maybe that scene of cyclops with logan (in the infirmary) is of cycs temporarily remolecularizing & trying to break away from the pheonix's control. that could work with that scenario i've laid out above.

[WorthyStevens]

No I dont think so I remember Zak Penn also said that the story will greatly differ from the comics when asked if Cyclops plays a crucial role with Jean. Zak said u have to worry about studios, driectors, contracts and claimed writing characters into a story was a very circumscribed process. Guys everything that has been released has pointed to him dying the same way as in the original script. As I said earlier he starts to demolecularize on screen right there before ur eyes in the latest trailer. Its clear as day and I am glad that I am the only one that sees if if thats the case. Just keep pausing it on that scene. He face begins to transform in a bad way. I cant deny it anymore. Evrything that has been fed to us except a tiny promo pic of him in uniform which trust me he will never get into has pointed to Cykes death.
1. The scruffy apppearance of Cyclops which is the same as the early review.
2. He is shown in the same friggin scene in both trailers.
3. Simon's latest post that said we tryed our best with Cyke and no suprises were referring to him. He seemed to be getting very angered by the Cyke questions
4. His glasses floating in mid air, they friggin take us for idiots trust me guys we are over analyazing. Either they take us die hard fans for fools or just dont care at all since they are making his death so clear as day.
5. They are required by contract not to give away any deaths. Thats why Simon is so close lipped.
6. He said I am not trying to lead u guys on. he is prolly reading our forum and thinking wow they really are digging way to deep into something that was never there.
7. James had very lil time on set and Simon and Zak Penn have made that very known.
8. Trust me every question that has been answered by Simon leads to the conclusion that Cyke is going to bite the big one. And Demolecularize on screen while we pay the damn studio money in ticket prices for this b.s. portrayal of one of the most beloved and renowned comic book characters.
9. The new promo pic with Cyke and Jean. Come on!! That is taken right out of the early script!!.....The problem with all this guys is the fact is they know we prolly will see the movie anyways and also realize the movie has a huge fanbase which does not only consist of diehard fans who dont relate with Cyclops like we do.
10. They only care about making money and with the circumstances they had to write Cyke out. and us fans will suffer. Also when talking about James performance he said I love a scene he has with Logan. Well that is in the first 15 friggin min of the movie before he goes to the lake.
I am sorry guys I am just really pissed that my worst fear has been realized. I had hope I really did but that hope is gone now

Explain how Cyclops, in his visor, ended up in the photo that had Leech sitting in the director's chair. The one which looks to take place in the same area that we see the final battle in, by the building.

[PWN3R]

I'm sorry, but Simons answer just flat out says Cykes dies IMO..


He dead, this really sucks. :(

Now I am gonna leave this thread before I get flammed like crazy..

[FieryBalrog]

Explain how Cyclops, in his visor, ended up in the photo that had Leech sitting in the director's chair. The one which looks to take place in the same area that we see the final battle in, by the building.

there's a photo like that? is it buried in the photo album thread?

[WorthyStevens]

there's a photo like that? is it buried in the photo album thread?

This pic:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/8017011043.jpg

[FieryBalrog]

Interesting...

[Octoberist]

But I don't want keep my hopes up. Look at what happened with Gambit...CRASH...down the toilet.

[the Firestarter]

From the Marvel Directory: "As his teammates fell around him, a powerless Scott shoved X-Man out of Apocalypse's draining circuit, merging with the would-be conqueror to create a new evil entity. Jean detected Scott's psyche inside Apocalypse and prevented the X-Men from destroying him. However, he was presumed dead by most of his teammates. Only Jean and the future-era freedom fighter called Cable refused to believe Scott had perished. Investigating rumors that he was alive, Jean and Cable found Cyclops struggling to reassert his mind over Apocalypse's psyche. With Jean's help, Cable exorcised the warlord and shattered his essence. Thanks to the support of his wife and adopted family, Scott was able to shake off the devastating effects of his merger with Apocalypse and rejoin the X-Men."

I think this can be done on screen with Pheonix substituting for Apocalypse. While her essense might not be able to shatter... I think Pheonix can be made to release Jean Grey part of her consciousness in a psychic battle of some kind. If that's the case Cyclops can return to his physical state just as easily as he can be demoleculized. Besides Simon hinted that "all fates are not what they seem to be".

[PWN3R]

HMMM nice comparison, that really does look like the same set. Even Simon made it sound like he dies, but how would he explain this??

[FieryBalrog]

From the Marvel Directory: "As his teammates fell around him, a powerless Scott shoved X-Man out of Apocalypse's draining circuit, merging with the would-be conqueror to create a new evil entity. Jean detected Scott's psyche inside Apocalypse and prevented the X-Men from destroying him. However, he was presumed dead by most of his teammates. Only Jean and the future-era freedom fighter called Cable refused to believe Scott had perished. Investigating rumors that he was alive, Jean and Cable found Cyclops struggling to reassert his mind over Apocalypse's psyche. With Jean's help, Cable exorcised the warlord and shattered his essence. Thanks to the support of his wife and adopted family, Scott was able to shake off the devastating effects of his merger with Apocalypse and rejoin the X-Men."

I think this can be done on screen with Pheonix substituting for Apocalypse. While her essense might not be able to shatter... I think Pheonix can be made to release Jean Grey part of her consciousness in a psychic battle of some kind. If that's the case Cyclops can return to his physical state just as easily as he can be demoleculized. Besides Simon hinted that "all fates are not what they seem to be".

Its still too complicated, and also it doesnt make any sense to substitute Phoenix for Apocalypse. Theyre not similar... it would be gutting both stories. You'd have Cyclops, Phoenixed-Jean and human-Jean sharing the same body. This is for a mainstream audience, remember, and not just putting ideas from the comics onto screen.

Not to mention, Apocalypse possessed Scott's body. When the Phoenix possesses people, it does it like Apocalypse- it possesses their body. It doesnt suck them into the Phoenix-host's body.

[the_scream]

I know you’re concerned. And all I can say is that I’m a fan of Cyclops too. We did all we could do with his character within the confines we were given.

Well, here's Simon's latest comment. If you think this isn't bad news then you're really too optimistic. He's pretty much used the same line I said he would a few pages back - did the best given Marsden's schedule.

So, Cyclops is dead! :( :down :down I'm not seeing the film.

[Halcohol]

Jesus, what is it with you people? Someone connected to the film says 2 lines just to STOP the maddening flow of questions and everyone assumes it's "confirmation of our worst fears!!!"

Brett Ratner MENTIONS the word SENTINELS and everyone starts freaking out that they're confirmed. Simon Kinberg has answered a million questions on Cyclops and finally says something different and, again, everyone starts freaking out.

The truth is, we won't know what happens until the movie comes out. Hell, they'll probably even change the ending of the novelization like they did for X2? Why? To preserve the surprise of the film.

Let it go. Nobody's going to confirm ANYTHING.

[The Guard]

Exactly where does Simon Kinberg say or imply that Cyclops dies in X3? Stop reading between lines that aren't there. Cyclops may die. But those words do not confirm it. They just confirm that they didn't make Cyclops a huge part of the script. Which we already knew.

[WorthyStevens]

I know you’re concerned. And all I can say is that I’m a fan of Cyclops too. We did all we could do with his character within the confines we were given.

Well, here's Simon's latest comment. If you think this isn't bad news then you're really too optimistic. He's pretty much used the same line I said he would a few pages back - did the best given Marsden's schedule.

So, Cyclops is dead! :( :down :down I'm not seeing the film.






We did all we could do with his character doesn't equate to Cyclops is a dead man.

God. This is only the beginning. Again. :(

[Halcohol]

We did all we could do with his character doesn't equate to Cyclops is a dead man.

God. This is only the beginning. Again. :(
"You have no idea... you have no idea what is upon us now..."

[WorthyStevens]

Jesus, what is it with you people? Someone connected to the film says 2 lines just to STOP the maddening flow of questions and everyone assumes it's "confirmation of our worst fears!!!"

Brett Ratner MENTIONS the word SENTINELS and everyone starts freaking out that they're confirmed. Simon Kinberg has answered a million questions on Cyclops and finally says something different and, again, everyone starts freaking out.

The truth is, we won't know what happens until the movie comes out. Hell, they'll probably even change the ending of the novelization like they did for X2? Why? To preserve the surprise of the film.

Let it go. Nobody's going to confirm ANYTHING.

Hi. My name is Will, and welcome to the Cyclops thread, where doom and gloom preside.

Enjoy your stay! :D



:p

[WorthyStevens]

"You have no idea... you have no idea what is upon us now..."

That fits perfectly with this thread. :p

[Halcohol]

Like I said before... on a roll tonight :D

[mustanger405]

4. Q. Do you think there will be any backlash about the decisions you guys made on this film? For instance, in Star Trek II, people were annoyed that Spock died even though they really enjoyed the film.

*I’m sure there will be some backlash. But you have to remember, we are screenwriters, not writer/producer/director/studio-heads (like George Lucas). We made some decisions, and we inherited others. We did the best we could with the material. And we are all very, very proud of this film. But it’s a creative, subjective medium, so some (hopefully most) people will love the movie, and some will have issues.

further proof of Cyclop's death is found in this recent answer from Simon. They inherited most of that horrible script which they were forced to work with. Just think they even made a mistake on the trailer showing Wolverine crying near Xavier's chair. That scene wasnt shown in the trailer when I went to go see the movie V for Vendetta. They obviously felt that gives away Xavier's death and cannot be shown. There is not much difference when all is said and done from the original script, Cyclops dies, Xavier dies, and Mystique becomes human.

Also......when I asked Simon about cyclops getting more screen time in X4 he responded by saying we are still working on this one, i CANT begin to imagine thinking about characters in X4. But look at all his friggin posts. He constantly talks about characters that could make it to X4 like Gambit, Havok, etc but when asked about Cyclops ohhh I cant possibly think about X4 thats because you killed him off!! I really am thinking about not seeing the movie....The character will live in my mind. I refuse to watch him being killed off because of the stupidity from writers, studios and the director.

[PWN3R]

They took that scene out of the trailer, because the hole in front of Logan and Storm was a place holder, meaning it wasn't a finished shot. :up:

[the Firestarter]

guess we'll haveta wait for some of the real answers. i don't think simon wants to give away the biggest surprises. there's still hope for cyclops.

[Sunstar]

I don't want Cyclops to die!

[JustABill]

CYCLOPS LIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

KAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNN!

:p

[TNC9852002]

Jesus...Do you know how paranoid you guys sound?.. :p

-TNC

[peteapan]

I know you’re concerned. And all I can say is that I’m a fan of Cyclops too. We did all we could do with his character within the confines we were given.

Well, here's Simon's latest comment. If you think this isn't bad news then you're really too optimistic. He's pretty much used the same line I said he would a few pages back - did the best given Marsden's schedule.

So, Cyclops is dead! :( :down :down I'm not seeing the film.






Hey Im all for hope. But come on, anyone saying this latest reply doesnt stink is lying to themselves. If Cyclops had a positive impact on the film at the end he would NOT have to make excuses. He may say wait and see or u will be pleasantly surprised by cyclops in this film. He wouldnt need to back himself up by premoting his own fandom, and then pass the buck by saying he did all he could but it was the damn schedules that ruined things. As I said it stinks and i dont care if thats negative cos its the truth

[peteapan]

2. A number of fans have taken your comments about "surprises" and believe the surprise will centre around Cyclops. Can we expect any surprise about Cyclops in X3 whatsoever or were you referring to other characters? I only ask because I think it is better people don't feel dissapointed. Please, just any hint.

*See above: enough Cyclops. But no, that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to other characters, and other plot twists. I’m not trying to lead you on about Cyclops. I’ve said before, we did the best we could with Cyclops, and we are incredibly big fans of the character and actor. The remaining surprises are both big and small – some cool twists, and some little texture moments.

Ok people. he is actually telling us. Do not get ur hopes up. The twists do not relate to him as I feared they wouldnt.

[Kurosawa]

You're right. To actually think that they're not killing him at this point is just being an apologist.

[peteapan]

You're right. To actually think that they're not killing him at this point is just being an apologist.

We have hope from a tiny unclear pic of what looks like a poster in the very background of an unrelated pic which could so easily be nothing. Yet we have the script writer saying he doesnt want to lead us on about cyke and basically saying sorry for the lack of time they could give cyclops. The arguements are so far from balanced now and anyone who can deny that has quite the imagination. These latest answers really have hurt!

[The Batman]

Well, Kinberg's made it simple for me: I'm not going to see this film. Too bad...i was just starting to get some hope....

[peteapan]

Well, Kinberg's made it simple for me: I'm not going to see this film. Too bad...i was just starting to get some hope....

Every time you post I wonder, where is ur sig from. I can never place it...

[The Batman]

Every time you post I wonder, where is ur sig from. I can never place it...


Catman from Villains United 6. He said that after he punched out Green Arrow.

[The Batman]

You're right. To actually think that they're not killing him at this point is just being an apologist.

Yeah...its mainly because people think kinberg and penn could do no wrong...since they're fans of the comics, and storm is getting so much screentime.

[The Batman]

"*I didn’t know Jimmy was coming back for reshoots."

[FieryBalrog]

No reason to bag on Kinberg or Penn though. I'm sure they made a very good script considering all the constraints they must have had (huge part for Logan even with Phoenix, for example...)

[The Batman]

No reason to bag on Kinberg or Penn though. I'm sure they made a very good script considering all the constraints they must have had (huge part for Logan even with Phoenix, for example...)

I really dont give a damn what kind of script they made, to be honest. If cyke dies, i'm not seeing it, period.

[peteapan]

No reason to bag on Kinberg or Penn though. I'm sure they made a very good script considering all the constraints they must have had (huge part for Logan even with Phoenix, for example...)

did they write the original draft containing the demolecularization?

[VincenFilmerset]

Again , i say ,i expect for the worst , maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised..

[Phoenix_Rising]

Hang on a sec guys, Simon never said Cyclops has nothing to do with any of the surprises in the film. He merely stated Cyclops has nothing to do with any of the surprises he was talking about which is something entirely different. The fact he said they did their best with him doesn't mean he'll die, it just means he won't get much screen time like for instance he's in a coma or is only on at the beginning and at the end. What he means is that they would have included him more if he had more time but doing the best with him isn't killing him off at the beginning of the film but something entirely different...Are you sure you saw what you saw? ;-)

[britrogue]

I personally think that they're covering for some huge surprises. I really hope Cyke doesn't die. That'll just be totally pants. Why couldn't Jean kill Logan???? Why???!!!!

[VincenFilmerset]

did they write the original draft containing the demolecularization?
yes , considering that the Aicn script was the first draft?:confused:

[FieryBalrog]

I personally think that they're covering for some huge surprises. I really hope Cyke doesn't die. That'll just be totally pants. Why couldn't Jean kill Logan???? Why???!!!!

you really have to ask ;)

I'm not seriously expecting Logan to die in any of the X-representations ever. He's the cash cow.

did they write the original draft containing the demolecularization?

I have no idea... but Fox must have had certain ideas of what the script would look like.

I really dont give a damn what kind of script they made, to be honest. If cyke dies, i'm not seeing it, period.
I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just saying blaming K & P doesn't make much sense.

[VincenFilmerset]

it just means he won't get much screen time like for instance he's in a coma
don't wan't to complain at all cost , but it's even worse than him dying imo..

[peteapan]

yes , considering that the Aicn script was the first draft?:confused:

Sorry that wasnt a question, I was just making the point that if their original idea for dealing with the leader of the xmen was to kill him off in such a weak way then I cant see the script being a masterpiece. I dunno though. Suprises are so much better than let downs

[FieryBalrog]

Sorry that wasnt a question, I was just making the point that if their original idea for dealing with the leader of the xmen was to kill him off in such a weak way then I cant see the script being a masterpiece. I dunno though. Suprises are so much better than let downs

I agree Cyke was shafted in the movies, completely. I was annoyed how Logan usurped his role in movies 1 and 2. Thats one of the first things I would change if I was writing it. And he might get shafted again, from the looks of it. Doesn't mean the movie cant be good though. Maybe Cyke's death will work in the context of the movies and it'll just be a good movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Exactly where does Simon Kinberg say or imply that Cyclops dies in X3? Stop reading between lines that aren't there. Cyclops may die. But those words do not confirm it. They just confirm that they didn't make Cyclops a huge part of the script. Which we already knew.


Agreed.

I'd also like to point out that even discussing these things one-on-one with these writers is an awesome privelege, that sadly, appears to be going unnappreciated by some.

The writers have politely asked several times that people stop asking them about this subject because they are legally bound and cannot divulge any more info than what they have. Yet, fans disrespect them by ignoring such wishes...as if continuing to bug them about it is somehow going to change Scott's role in this finished film. :o

I sensed even a bit of frustration in Simon's latest batch of Q&A. It's got to be getting annoying to them now.

[peteapan]

I agree Cyke was shafted in the movies, completely. I was annoyed how Logan usurped his role in movies 1 and 2. Thats one of the first things I would change if I was writing it. And he might get shafted again, from the looks of it. Doesn't mean the movie cant be good though. Maybe Cyke's death will work in the context of the movies and it'll just be a good movie.

Hey Im gonna see the film, and Im gonna judge it fairly. I liked X2 and i hated what happened with Cyke in it, so its not like I cant cope with it. However this time its death. If after 20mins I see him ripped apart without a single chance to shine in the whole series my judgement will be heavily impared. I dont know if FOX care as the general audience will be like wooo wolvy and jean can be together the way its mean to be. Im negative at the mo, but as i said id rather be surprised than let down

[Kanon]

did they write the original draft containing the demolecularization?
Ok, this got me thinking, and I just realize something that doesn't make much sense:
That original draft (with Ciclops' death) was written, if I'm correct, before he was casted for Superman Returns, and I remember by that time, Halle Berry wasn't confirmed to return as Storm, and the word was that Storm's role was written in a way some actress could play her (that sound like a reduced role to me). Now, if the original draft or early script got Ciclops dying early in the movie, and Storm, in some way, absent... Wolverine was supposed to be the only X-Men? If that script had a reduced role for Storm, I can't imagine the same for Cyclops...

[Hugh'sMrs]

Kinberg and Penn openly discuss every other character BUT Cyclops. Their answers regarding him are very telling for those of us who are paying attention.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Kinberg and Penn openly discuss every other character BUT Cyclops. Their answers regarding him are very telling for those of us who are paying attention.


I'm paying close attention and I'm not seeing anything but confidentiality. And they are not discussing every character. Many requests for details on Psylocke, Rogue, Trask, Sentinels, Professor X, etc., are going unnanswered too.

I think their answers are very "telling" for those who want to interpret their responses a certain way. But at pure face value, they've said nothing that indicates the character dies.

[Sunstar]

"*I didn’t know Jimmy was coming back for reshoots."

Where did you hear that? Is this true?

So far it seems like James Marsden has had nothing to do with X-men since leaving to go do Superman Returns! If he did return for reshoots at least we have some ray of hope!:(

[conan69]

"I sensed even a bit of frustration in Simon's latest batch of Q&A. It's got to be getting annoying to them now."



Regarding the Cylcops questions prob yes. But I think everyone appreciates the time hes taking to talk.

Ive pretty much accepted that hes ashes and I think it sucks. I didnt like the clip I saw of Wolv and Jean. The changes to Wolverines character keep getting more drastic. Watching Logan so panicy and unsettled really made me wince.

It not the writer fault Cyke is gonna croak, Im sure that was a condition given to them for the script - I do have a problem with him dying in a pathetic way though.

Id prefer is he was absent from the film (takes off after Jeans death) and arrives at the end and is killed in the final battle than to see killed him standing there like a dummy and blasted.

[Lightning Strykez!]

"*I didn’t know Jimmy was coming back for reshoots."

*sigh*

He also couldn't recall what role Haley Ramm was playing (we all know she's "Young Jean Grey" in this installment). So does that mean she's been axed too? Does she die in the origin scene? Come on, now. :cool:

The guy is no doubt tired from his non-stop travels and workload. He's obviously under an embargo on the Cyclops subject, so he's not required to divulge details to us. Posters keep demanding answers with these semantic-styled questions, and now it seems some of them are getting upset because he's thwarting their efforts. Well, Stop asking. ;)

These writers don't owe us anything, and I think some here should stop bashing their efforts--that's tacky.

[TNC9852002]

Save it, Caliph...People are still gonna believe whatever they want to believe until the movie comes out and they'll use any bits of a conversation or an article to keep themselves on that track. Like you pointed out, people are unintentionally or maybe intentionally, consciously or subconsciously trying to make themselves believe something, even when there's nothing strong really there...Of course I'm talking about this case in particular.

-TNC

[Sunstar]

"I sensed even a bit of frustration in Simon's latest batch of Q&A. It's got to be getting annoying to them now."



Regarding the Cylcops questions prob yes. But I think everyone appreciates the time hes taking to talk.

Ive pretty much accepted that hes ashes and I think it sucks. I didnt like the clip I saw of Wolv and Jean. The changes to Wolverines character keep getting more drastic. Watching Logan so panicy and unsettled really made me wince.

It not the writer fault Cyke is gonna croak, Im sure that was a condition given to them for the script - I do have a problem with him dying in a pathetic way though.

Id prefer is he was absent from the film (takes off after Jeans death) and arrives at the end and is killed in the final battle than to see killed him standing there like a dummy and blasted.

I know! Cyclops should at least have a decent death:up::(! It would suck if he gets demolecularized!:down:mad:

[flavio_lebeau]

i've seen some people making a drama out of the line in which Simon says that Cyke is not one of the surprises he was talking abaout. Come on people, do you REALLY think he would ever say "yes, Cyke is one of the surprises!" ????? for God's sake, if he ever said that, it wouldnt be a surprise anymore, everybody would know that Cyke doesnt die. For me, it seems that they are leading us to think that he dies...

[Sunstar]

i've seen some people making a drama out of the line in which Simon says that Cyke is not one of the surprises he was talking abaout. Come on people, do you REALLY think he would ever say "yes, Cyke is one of the surprises!" ????? for God's sake, if he ever said that, it wouldnt be a surprise anymore, everybody would know that Cyke doesnt die. For me, it seems that they are leading us to think that he dies...

I think you're being a bit too optimistic flavio 'coz all signs are pointing to cykes death!

[flavio_lebeau]

im not being optimistic, i just hate when people say "oh my god he's gonna die, i wont watch the movie!!!!"
come on, grow up, nothing is confirmed until someeoen watches the final version. No one can say if he dies or not, but the "facts" that some point are things that they create.
Example: "The sea is made of water and salt. There are biscuits made of water and salt. Oh my god the sea is a biscuit!!!!!!!"
thats totally wrong.
everybody knows he will have a small part, thats bad, but we dont know if he dies.

[Phoenix_Rising]

I think we can safely say that Cyclops isn't demolecurized judging from the comments of Kinberg and Penn. They keep on mentioning how they try to keep the movie realistic and grounded as Singer did in the previous X-men movies e.g. juggernaut being smaller. Now how unrealistic would it be for Cykes to suddenly be vaporised when we have had nothing like this in the previous films and would be a total departure for the tone and style of the films. However we do see Cyclops' glasses floating in mid-air with Wolverine looking curiously at them so where is Cyclops?! If he wasn't demolecularized then surely they'd find him lying around somewhere but no he is apparently nowhere to be seen, hmmmmmm. However if we go with the idea of him taking off his glasses and Jean's power somehow exploding and sending him flying like in the trailer, this could well injure him but not kill him. My 2 ideas of where he is are simple, he is either:

a) Been sent flying into the forest or the sea and left unconscious hence Wolverine and Storm not being able to find him.

or

b) Immediately after this explosion of power, Jean snaps out of Dark Phoenix mode and realises what she's done, feeling confused and frightened of her new powers she tries to keep Scott safe, similar to how a young child would (notice the references to Jean behaving like a child in some parts of the movie) and puts him in a 'doll house'. Not literally ofcourse but somehow preserves his existence by either transporting him to a safer place-so he is no longer in this time or merging with him so that Dark Phoenix cannot hurt him.

This would then link in with what we saw in the trailer: After using her power to keep Cyclops safe she collapses and then Wolverine and Storm arrive to find her lying on the rocks. I think they want us to think he will die but I have a feeling come May 26th we shall all be pleasantly surprised.

[larryfilmmaker]

Whether Cyclops lives or dies he'll still have very little screen time. I think they should have Wolverine get demolecularized and have Storm depowered. Eh, not really... I just don't care much for this movie. The trailer reminds me A LOT of MK: Annihilation w/ the costumes and retarded wirework but the decent narration hides the cheese. I'll see it cuz I'm a huge X-Men fan but I'm not expecting much... and I'm not expecting to be wrong about that either.

[FieryBalrog]

Example: "The sea is made of water and salt. There are biscuits made of water and salt. Oh my god the sea is a biscuit!!!!!!!"


best example ever

[Phoenix_Rising]

Haha, MK: Annihilation, it looks nothing like that film you fool! Seriously it looks great, probably the best of the series and you think it looks like that film, oh dear do you know anything about movies haha!

[flavio_lebeau]

Whether Cyclops lives or dies he'll still have very little screen time. I think they should have Wolverine get demolecularized and have Storm depowered. Eh, not really... I just don't care much for this movie. The trailer reminds me A LOT of MK: Annihilation w/ the costumes and retarded wirework but the decent narration hides the cheese. I'll see it cuz I'm a huge X-Men fan but I'm not expecting much... and I'm not expecting to be wrong about that either.
that seriosly makes me laugh out loud. Look at the cast from both films. I bet MK had the same high names as X3 huh? :o Look at the special effects, same, MK's sure are better than X3's. Look at the plot: MK had such an intelligent, grounded plot, same as X3. Wow you are totally right.

[flavio_lebeau]

best example ever
unfortunately its exactly what happens when it comes to Cyclops...

[JokerNick]

sorry for asking this, I'm at work so I can't backtrack through pages, but what did simon say????

Thanks

[Kira]

Example: "The sea is made of water and salt. There are biscuits made of water and salt. Oh my god the sea is a biscuit!!!!!!!"

Hah! I have to agree with FieryBalrog here. Best example EVER! Do you mind if I steal this? I want to put it in my sig... :D

[flavio_lebeau]

Hah! I have to agree with FieryBalrog here. Best example EVER! Do you mind if I steal this? I want to put it in my sig... :D
YAY im famous! :p
not really, thanks for putting it :D

[Kira]

YAY im famous! :p
not really, thanks for putting it :D

Thanks for letting me use it! It's awesome! :up:

[Aiden]

Listen. People saying "OMG Cyke is so gonna die. I'm never going to see this movie". Grow up. This movie isnt just about Cyclops or any other character. Its an ensemble. Obviously, because he was in SR he won't have a large part in the movie. This doesn't mean he will die. So far, IMO all Simons answers have indicated that Cyclops will be alive at the end of this movie. Thats just my interpretation, everybody has a different one. On May 24th we will find out what happens to him and not before it.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Let's keep it civil in here folks. No one is "a fool" or "needs to grow up" just because they may not hold your opinion. Everyone's viewpoint has equal value.

Debate intelligently and respectfully.

[SlimDayspring]

These writers don't owe us anything
I'd like to think that they owe us a good film.

[WorthyStevens]

You're right. To actually think that they're not killing him at this point is just being an apologist.

Dear god.

*bangs head against desk*

So, we have a picture of Jimmy (Marsden) possibly in the same location as Beast is in the final battle, but yet people are ignoring that, and instead overanalyze Simon's answer as 'WE KILL CYCLOPS.'

Honestly. Just, honestly.

NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE YET. NOBODY.

[WorthyStevens]

I want to repost this pic.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/8017011043.jpg

[Aiden]

Dear god.

*bangs head against desk*

So, we have a picture of Jimmy (Marsden) possibly in the same location as Beast is in the final battle, but yet people are ignoring that, and instead overanalyze Simon's answer as 'WE KILL CYCLOPS.'

Honestly. Just, honestly.

NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE YET. NOBODY.
Except Tom Rothman Lucky b****** :D

[larryfilmmaker]

Haha, MK: Annihilation, it looks nothing like that film you fool! Seriously it looks great, probably the best of the series and you think it looks like that film, oh dear do you know anything about movies haha!

I know that X3 is in deep **** and that everybody in the movie industry is laughing at it right now. I also know that big names and budget don't make a great movie. I ALSO know that Ratner said "more action and more comedy... less confusing story" about X3. Open your eyes folks. Just cuz it's X-men doesn't mean it's great. Go read "God Loves, Man Kills". THAT is some awesome X-Men storytelling. This dumb movie won't even come close. These forums are the only place where people talk about X3 in a good way. I'm a HUGE X-Men fan but I'm telling you... it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Go ahead and mock, then eat your words come opening night.

[WorthyStevens]

I know that X3 is in deep **** and that everybody in the movie industry is laughing at it right now. I also know that big names and budget don't make a great movie. I ALSO know that Ratner said "more action and more comedy... less confusing story" about X3. Open your eyes folks. Just cuz it's X-men doesn't mean it's great. Go read "God Loves, Man Kills". THAT is some awesome X-Men storytelling. This dumb movie won't even come close. These forums are the only place where people talk about X3 in a good way. I'm a HUGE X-Men fan but I'm telling you... it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Go ahead and mock, then eat your words come opening night.

:confused:

No...

That's just your opinion.

Hell, even AICN had a turnaround.

[StevieNicks1988]

Whether Cyclops lives or dies he'll still have very little screen time. I think they should have Wolverine get demolecularized and have Storm depowered. Eh, not really... I just don't care much for this movie. The trailer reminds me A LOT of MK: Annihilation w/ the costumes and retarded wirework but the decent narration hides the cheese. I'll see it cuz I'm a huge X-Men fan but I'm not expecting much... and I'm not expecting to be wrong about that either.

MK:Annihilation isn't like X3, even a little bit. Why? I have very valid reasons, as I'm an MK fan. So hear me out.

1) The budget. Compared to X3, MK:A looks like a kids play.

2) Editing. Ratner already stated practically every scene he shot is in the movie. With MK, practically every scene was twisted around or completed ruined. Half the scenes and fights the filmed for the movie were axed on the cutting room floor. Some people who were cast for the movie and even filmed scenes who had 'surprising' roles didn't even make the final cut, i.e. a cameo by Quan Chi at the end of the film, hinting towards a third. Half of the scenes that made the final cut aren't even the full scenes. Dialogue was cut, and major plot points of the film were even axed as they thought the audience just 'wouldnt get it' even though there had already been an MK movie that explained everything that needed explaining. With X3, we won't have that problem as there have been two movies that already made the story clear enough for even a two year old to grasp.

3) Cast. MK's cast and X-Men's cast. Hmmm. That's like saying; 8 year olds acting abilities versus professional's acting abilities.

It doesn't really matter if this movie will have 'more action and less confusing storyline' because as I stated. This is the finale of a trilogy. It's to end what we know about them so far. Nothing really needs explaining except for the cure. I think they won't even call Jean the Phoenix, only the fanboys will get that. For a realistic state, they will probably just say shes back and she's insane, which is what they SHOULD do. A whole 2 hour movie is not enough time to explain all that AND the cure.

[kytrigger]

MK:Annihilation isn't like X3, even a little bit. Why? I have very valid reasons, as I'm an MK fan. So hear me out.

1) The budget. Compared to X3, MK:A looks like a kids play.

2) Editing. Ratner already stated practically every scene he shot is in the movie. With MK, practically every scene was twisted around or completed ruined. Half the scenes and fights the filmed for the movie were axed on the cutting room floor. Some people who were cast for the movie and even filmed scenes who had 'surprising' roles didn't even make the final cut, i.e. a cameo by Quan Chi at the end of the film, hinting towards a third. Half of the scenes that made the final cut aren't even the full scenes. Dialogue was cut, and major plot points of the film were even axed as they thought the audience just 'wouldnt get it' even though there had already been an MK movie that explained everything that needed explaining. With X3, we won't have that problem as there have been two movies that already made the story clear enough for even a two year old to grasp.

3) Cast. MK's cast and X-Men's cast. Hmmm. That's like saying; 8 year olds acting abilities versus professional's acting abilities.

Interesting, I had no idea that that was the reason behind MK: Annihilation sucking. Are they planning on releasing a director's cut of it, because I'd really like to see it.

[Halcohol]

If I never saw MK:A again, I think I'd be ok with that :p
Now, the first Mortal Kombat was great... MK:A... not so much.

[StevieNicks1988]

MK:A is the only movie I bought and then threw away the next day.

[WorthyStevens]

Except Tom Rothman Lucky b****** :D

Well, good for him.


Now he must die.


:p

[kytrigger]

If I never saw MK:A again, I think I'd be ok with that :p
Now, the first Mortal Kombat was great... MK:A... not so much.

The scary part about Mortal Kombat being great is that it was directed by Paul W.S. Anderson :eek:

[mustanger405]

Speaking of Mk Annihilation.....Johhny Cage died in the first 5 min.
Now unforrtunatley scott will now carry on that tradition of a hero who wears sunglasses dying soon

The only thing I dont understand about aLL of THIS. If cyclops death is so secretive. Why is the administrator cracking jokes. Like Sorry but cyclops has been talked about to death on this board (pardon my bad pun) I mean that sort of gives away his fate if he actually ends up dying. And David Gorner said in an interview that Cyke was coming back to film a pick up scene. Also he said fans will be pleased how characters story arcs are told very pleased in his exact words. He said when dealing with the comic book universe, it is very easy to kill a character and bring him back to life and laughed. I mean who could come back Xavier. that would be stupid since he will prolly die at the end of the movie. And please dont kill jean and bring her back again that would be sooo friggin repeptitious. Thats why I believed scott would return.

[Storm22]

Ok I've just come from reading Kinberg's latest Q and A session and my hopes, ONCE AGAIN, have taken a nose-dive! I'm not saying I've given up hope but the situation seems to be as bleak as many originally thought for Cyclops. As LS said, I also anger in his answer to the last Cyclops question and I think he pretty much spelt it out for us saying he's not trying to lead us on and the surprises don't relate to Cyclops. Shame, my hopes were high after yesterdays photo analysis.:(

[WorthyStevens]

Ok I've just come from reading Kinberg's latest Q and A session and my hopes, ONCE AGAIN, have taken a nose-dive! I'm not saying I've given up hope but the situation seems to be as bleak as many originally thought for Cyclops. As LS said, I also anger in his answer to the last Cyclops question and I think he pretty much spelt it out for us saying he's not trying to lead us on and the surprises don't relate to Cyclops. Shame, my hopes were high after yesterdays photo analysis.:(

His answers didn't change the photo though, so we still have that. It's not like that's been disproven.

[VincenFilmerset]

I know that X3 is in deep **** and that everybody in the movie industry is laughing at it right now. I also know that big names and budget don't make a great movie. I ALSO know that Ratner said "more action and more comedy... less confusing story" about X3. Open your eyes folks. Just cuz it's X-men doesn't mean it's great. Go read "God Loves, Man Kills". THAT is some awesome X-Men storytelling. This dumb movie won't even come close. These forums are the only place where people talk about X3 in a good way. I'm a HUGE X-Men fan but I'm telling you... it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Go ahead and mock, then eat your words come opening night.
Larry , i have my worries about X3 , i think that Ratner until proved otherwise is mediocre at best , but what i've seen looks good .

What you say about shh being the only place saying good things about X3 was true..in my country ( France )the buzz was awful untill the teaser hit the net , and now that we have seen the trailer we are eagerly awaiting the movie.

so now , yes maybe the movie will be bad , but for the moment i'm hopeful

[Aiden]

Speaking of Mk Annihilation.....Johhny Cage died in the first 5 min.
Now unforrtunatley scott will now carry on that tradition of a hero who wears sunglasses dying soon

The only thing I dont understand about aLL of THIS. If cyclops death is so secretive. Why is the administrator cracking jokes. Like Sorry but cyclops has been talked about to death on this board (pardon my bad pun) I mean that sort of gives away his fate if he actually ends up dying. And David Gorner said in an interview that Cyke was coming back to film a pick up scene. Also he said fans will be pleased how characters story arcs are told very pleased in his exact words. He said when dealing with the comic book universe, it is very easy to kill a character and bring him back to life and laughed. I mean who could come back Xavier. that would be stupid since he will prolly die at the end of the movie. And please dont kill jean and bring her back again that would be sooo friggin repeptitious. Thats why I believed scott would return.
*bangs head on desk*

Because you KNOW Cyclops will die. I take it you've seen this movie.

Thought not.

Get a grip, nothing is set in stone yet

[StevieNicks1988]

Speaking of Mk Annihilation.....Johhny Cage died in the first 5 min.
Now unforrtunatley scott will now carry on that tradition of a hero who wears sunglasses dying soon

Yes, but that had reasoning. Why? Because...

1) They had to hire another actor whom they didn't like because Ashby wouldn't return, so they axed the character.

and 2) Johnny Cage has died dozens of times in the game's storylines anyway, so either way in that movie or another, Cage would've died. lol

[JokerNick]

his comments ment nothing at all, so what if cyclops isn't one of the twists, they way everyone was talking about how they picture cykes role in this film, they weren't explained as twists either. Think about it like this, 99% of the people have no idea what's going to go on in this film, they have not read that 1st draft AICN released, no have no idea that the rumor is that cyke gets killed in this movie, so lets say cycke is hurt by jean in the beginning and is out of commision till the end, how is that a twist??? it's not...... People will not be saying, "wow having a injured guy show up at the end to help, that's a great twist to the movie".........his story is probably straight forward.............

[The Batman]

*bangs head on desk*

Because you KNOW Cyclops will die. I take it you've seen this movie.

Thought not.

Get a grip, nothing is set in stone yet


Why dont you stop bossing people around? If people want to think he's gonna die, let them think that. I'm sick to freaking death of you people acting high and mighty just cause you think he might live, like you have more common sense.

[Halcohol]

I heard Ashby was interested in returning for the 3rd movie they're never actually going to make.

[Octoberist]

WIth Mortal Kombat 2 and Johnny Cage.... they killed off the most likable character from the first movie in the first 5 minutes... LAME!

[StevieNicks1988]

Again, why does that make him untouchable? He's died like 7 or 8 times in the games alone. In the comics, he's died even more. What's your point?

[vanillacyke]

Yeah what Kinberg said made me depressed too. Hey Worthy say something to brighten my spirits would ya? Your always good for positive messages. :)

[WorthyStevens]

Why dont you stop bossing people around? If people want to think he's gonna die, let them think that. I'm sick to freaking death of you people acting high and mighty just cause you think he might live, like you have more common sense.

Why don't you tell that to people like Kurosawa, who said:


You're right. To actually think that they're not killing him at this point is just being an apologist.

[StevieNicks1988]

Why dont you stop bossing people around? If people want to think he's gonna die, let them think that. I'm sick to freaking death of you people acting high and mighty just cause you think he might live, like you have more common sense.

Yes, but that picture posted on the other page that was blurred where we can clearly see the image of someone who just happens to be wearing a visor and looks like Marsden in the final battle sequence doesn't exactly make it seem like Cyke bites the dust anymore. That's why it, by me anyway, is now viewed more as denial than being actually upset.

[Octoberist]

Oh my God, Stevie.

My point was that Johnny Cage made the first movie enjoyable. Then what happened again? They killed him off in the first five minutes in MK2. Now you can try to justifiy it..sure it's Mortal Kombat..it was a blantently cheap death and lost me as a viewer for THAT movie.

It's like killing off Han Solo in the first five minutes of Empire Strikes Back. "But adds to the drama" Oh PLEASE!

[The Batman]

Why don't you tell that to people like Kurosawa, who said:

Kurosawa's pretty much the only "Cyclops will die" guy that does that....compared to 90% of the people who think he's going to live. You guys act like you're going to convert people when you're not.

[StevieNicks1988]

It's not exactly converting. It's more or less trying to get them to see the other side of the facts when some are so negative and in denial, that they won't even attempt to consider it, like the blurred picture or the promo with the X-uniform.

Oh my God, Stevie.

My point was that Johnny Cage made the first movie enjoyable. Then what happened again? They killed him off in the first five minutes in MK2. Now you can try to justifiy it..sure it's Mortal Kombat..it was a blantently cheap death and lost me as a viewer for THAT movie.

It's like killing off Han Solo in the first five minutes of Empire Strikes Back. "But adds to the drama" Oh PLEASE!

Yes, but Cage added NOTHING to the second movie. All Cage ever did in the games was participate, fight some random person, and then go back and make a movie about it, or die. He ALWAYS died. Even in MK2, which the movie was based on, he practically did NOTHING. It was even stated by a writer and producer, the only reason Cage was in the movie at all was because it takes place just SECONDS after the events of the first movie and they needed a way to get rid of him, so like they did all the other times with the games, they kill him. It would've been even more cheesy had he not been in the movie at all, when it takes place seconds after the first. How would they explain that? 'Oh, he can teleport!!'

[Storm22]

His answers didn't change the photo though, so we still have that. It's not like that's been disproven.

I know Worthy and I'm desperately trying to keep hopeful and positive but that "not trying to lead you on" line from Kinberg got to me, as well as stuff like "we did the best we could within the confines we were given."
I'm still very curious about that photo and I'm sure Cyclops' death won't ruin X3 as some here already think! BUT I am gonna lower my hope level, I don't want to be too disappointed by hanging on to high hopes that Cyclops does indeed live when we may find out come May 26th that that's not the case. Small role or not, Marsden still could have filmed his Alkali,X-Mansion and possible final battle scenes within his filming timeframe though, surely?!

[Aiden]

Why dont you stop bossing people around? If people want to think he's gonna die, let them think that. I'm sick to freaking death of you people acting high and mighty just cause you think he might live, like you have more common sense.
I'm not acting high and mighty. I'm merely stating my opinion. This is a forum. I can say what I want to anyone's opinion. I'm only putting across my feelings towards his opinion, just like you did with mine. :o

[The Batman]

Oh my God, Stevie.

My point was that Johnny Cage made the first movie enjoyable. Then what happened again? They killed him off in the first five minutes in MK2. Now you can try to justifiy it..sure it's Mortal Kombat..it was a blantently cheap death and lost me as a viewer for THAT movie.

It's like killing off Han Solo in the first five minutes of Empire Strikes Back. "But adds to the drama" Oh PLEASE!


The funny part is, he uses the games to prove that the movie was faithful to the source, but yet when people talk about how unfaithful to the comics X3 is, he says its not the comics.

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah what Kinberg said made me depressed too. Hey Worthy say something to brighten my spirits would ya? Your always good for positive messages. :)

Here ya go. ;)


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/8017011043.jpg

[JokerNick]

can someone please explain to me how cyclops not getting killed by Jean is a TWIST????

[WorthyStevens]

Kurosawa's pretty much the only "Cyclops will die" guy that does that....compared to 90% of the people who think he's going to live. You guys act like you're going to convert people when you're not.

I'm not trying to 'convert' anyone.

I'm just trying to do some damage control. ;)

[Aiden]

I know Worthy and I'm desperately trying to keep hopeful and positive but that "not trying to lead you on" line from Kinberg got to me, as well as stuff like "we did the best we could within the confines we were given."
I'm still very curious about that photo and I'm sure Cyclops' death won't ruin X3 as some here already think! BUT I am gonna lower my hope level, I don't want to be too disappointed by hanging on to high hopes that Cyclops does indeed live when we may find out come May 26th that that's not the case. Small role or not, Marsden still could have filmed his Alkali,X-Mansion and possible final battle scenes within his filming timeframe though, surely?!
Ian McKellan filmed all his scenes for X2 in 15 days, but that was across a 6 month timespan so realistically, yes he could have filmed those scenes

[VincenFilmerset]

yup octoberist ..at the same time i dunno if possibly killing a character that the audience ,for the most part doesn't care about is not worse..

If cyke die without a devellopement that will make the audience care about him at last, i'm positive that we will hear a lot of "it doesn't matter anyway , he was boring"

[Octoberist]

Kurosawa's pretty much the only "Cyclops will die" guy that does that....compared to 90% of the people who think he's going to live. You guys act like you're going to convert people when you're not.

With me, if there's hints that Cyclops will live, the next minute there's another rumor that would lead me to believe that he's a goner. Now, I don't mind if he dies (I don't want him to die period) as a HERO AND AS A LEADER with a PURPOSE. Killing him off in the first five act will lead me to dislike the movie, no matter what.

SO with me, I'm very indifferent but I'm keeping an open mind about it. Don't want to keep my hopes to high (cough...Gambit)

[Octoberist]

yup octoberist ..at the same time i dunno if possibly killing a character that the audience for the most part doesn't care about is not worse..

If cyke die without a devellopement that will make the audience care about him at last, i'm positive that we will hear a lot of "it doesn't matter anyway , he was boring"

The funny thing is that I'm not even a Cyclops fan, but I've been defending the character in the mist of these Storm fans (JK). Seriously though...it seemed like people didn't care, so I got upset. I was like "Cyclops is as important, if not more, than Storm or Logan. Period".

To me Cyclops is boring but I respect the character. He's been around since the dawn of the X-Men in the 60s. He's always been there, front and center, leading the team. And some people, but not all, are trying to discredit Cyclops and that makes me question their logic.

Like what I said, I hope for the best for Cyclops in X3. He deserves more and I hope that he'll make it. And if he dies, I want his death to serve a purpose, esp for Jean.

X3 should of been his movie. It should of been his story. But that's not what we're getting...and I've accepted that. It doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad movie. I just hope for the best.

[StevieNicks1988]

The funny part is, he uses the games to prove that the movie was faithful to the source, but yet when people talk about how unfaithful to the comics X3 is, he says its not the comics.

Yep. Why? Because X-Men the movies are grounded into reality, where-as if they stick close to a lot of the details of the comics, it would come off as unrealistic, and they have done a brilliant job of keeping close to the line where they could pull everything off in a realistic tone, yet like 'disappearing into thin air' would not even be able to be pulled off in a realistic manner, it would look like a deleted scene from Batman & Robin.

With Mortal Kombat, it's about as unrealistic as you can get, so why bother trying to make it seem realistic? All the producer ever said about it was they never tried to make it realistic, they just stuck close to the source material and went with it, as it's Mortal Kombat, not to be taken lightly and literal, it's just an escape from reality. It was NEVER meant to be taken literally, at all. It was just a regular fighting movie.

[WorthyStevens]

The funny thing is that I'm not even a Cyclops fan, but I've been defending the character in the mist of these Storm fans (JK). Seriously though...it seemed like people didn't care, so I got upset. I was like "Cyclops is as important, if not more, than Storm or Logan. Period".

To me Cyclops is boring but I respect the character. He's been around since the dawn of the X-Men in the 60s. He's always been there, front and center, leading the team. And some people, but not all, are trying to discredit Cyclops and that makes me question their logic.

Like what I said, I hope for the best for Cyclops in X3. He deserves more and I hope that he'll make it. And if he dies, I want his death to serve a purpose, esp for Jean.

X3 should of been his movie. It should of been his story. But that's not what we're getting...and I've accepted that. It doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad movie. I just hope for the best.

Great post by the way. :up:

[Octoberist]

Worthy Stevens...............LONG LIVE CYCLOPS.

[VincenFilmerset]

The funny thing is that I'm not even a Cyclops fan, but I've been defending the character in the mist of these Storm fans (JK). Seriously though...it seemed like people didn't care, so I got upset. I was like "Cyclops is as important, if not more, than Storm or Logan. Period".

To me Cyclops is boring but I respect the character. He's been around since the dawn of the X-Men in the 60s. He's always been there, front and center, leading the team. And some people, but not all, are trying to discredit Cyclops and that makes me question their logic.

Like what I said, I hope for the best for Cyclops in X3. He deserves more and I hope that he'll make it. And if he dies, I want his death to serve a purpose, esp for Jean.

X3 should of been his movie. It should of been his story. But that's not what we're getting...and I've accepted that. It doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad movie. I just hope for the best.
:up:

[StevieNicks1988]

That picture....it seriously looks like Marsden wearing the visor, almost like he's trying to hide out of the picture, or he's trying to 'get into character' or something.

[WorthyStevens]

Worthy Stevens...............LONG LIVE CYCLOPS.

:D :up: :up:

I'm hoping that Cyclops will be the one to bring back Jean. As it should be.

[Halcohol]

I think Octoberist has got it right, at least from my viewpoint. Those of us who are championing for Cyclops to survive, it's not "OMG Cyke is SO cool don't kill him or I'll kill Ratner", it's out of respect for the character.

He's the leader, the first X-Man. Why just throw him away?

[StevieNicks1988]

I think Octoberist has got it right, at least from my viewpoint. Those of us who are championing for Cyclops to survive, it's not "OMG Cyke is SO cool don't kill him or I'll kill Ratner", it's out of respect for the character.

He's the leader, the first X-Man. Why just throw him away?

Exactly why I think it's Cyke in the photo. I always thought from the beginning, even if he 'died', he would still be the one to save Jean.

[peteapan]

his comments ment nothing at all, so what if cyclops isn't one of the twists, they way everyone was talking about how they picture cykes role in this film, they weren't explained as twists either. Think about it like this, 99% of the people have no idea what's going to go on in this film, they have not read that 1st draft AICN released, no have no idea that the rumor is that cyke gets killed in this movie, so lets say cycke is hurt by jean in the beginning and is out of commision till the end, how is that a twist??? it's not...... People will not be saying, "wow having a injured guy show up at the end to help, that's a great twist to the movie".........his story is probably straight forward.............

Simon answered that question on the boards of Xverse. If you think he thinks he is addressing a general audience on that site you are wrong. He knows what the fanboys know, he knows cos he is relentlessly asked about it. He is replying in full knowledge of what people are thinking and the rumours. He is refering to no twists in terms of the fanboys knowledge not the general audience. This is made clear because he also states he doesnt want to get our hopes up and lead us on.

[Aiden]

Great post Octoberist :up:

[WorthyStevens]

I think Octoberist has got it right, at least from my viewpoint. Those of us who are championing for Cyclops to survive, it's not "OMG Cyke is SO cool don't kill him or I'll kill Ratner", it's out of respect for the character.

He's the leader, the first X-Man. Why just throw him away?

That's partly why I'm thinking he does survive. They said they're basing the movie MUCH on the comics, so if he does die (which I don't think he will; atleast, not get demolecularized), I'll be majorly, majorly disappointed.

[Storm22]

I think Octoberist has got it right, at least from my viewpoint. Those of us who are championing for Cyclops to survive, it's not "OMG Cyke is SO cool don't kill him or I'll kill Ratner", it's out of respect for the character.

He's the leader, the first X-Man. Why just throw him away?

Agreed. I don't really care that he has a small role, as long as his role is IMPORTANT and memorable and what better way to show how important a role he plays than to have him come back and save the X-Men and Jean in the final battle!

[StevieNicks1988]

I think the question we have to ask is; 'Did Jean ever kill Scott in the comics'? If it's a yes, then it's likely. If it's a no, then I think we should go back to the FOX is misleading us, Scott IS in the final battle because of that photo, and one of the big secrets of the movie DOES include him.

[WorthyStevens]

And we should also remember that Retro did e-mail Empire magazine, and they confirmed Cyclops' photo in uniform is from X3...

[StevieNicks1988]

Simon answered that question on the boards of Xverse. If you think he thinks he is addressing a general audience on that site you are wrong. He knows what the fanboys know, he knows cos he is relentlessly asked about it. He is replying in full knowledge of what people are thinking and the rumours. He is refering to no twists in terms of the fanboys knowledge not the general audience. This is made clear because he also states he doesnt want to get our hopes up and lead us on.

Either way, the man can't confirm or deny anything about Cyke or FOX will sue the **** out of him and they'll take him to the cleaners.

[Storm22]

I think the question we have to ask is; 'Did Jean ever kill Scott in the comics'? If it's a yes, then it's likely. If it's a no, then I think we should go back to the FOX is misleading us, Scott IS in the final battle because of that photo, and one of the big secrets of the movie DOES include him.

But what gets me is the writers seem to be fairly honest in their answers and if Kinberg is trying to tell us not to get our hopes up then maybe we shouldn't. I really REALLY am at a loss now!

[StevieNicks1988]

But at this point, consider it. Anything they tell us about Cyke WOULD be considered a spoiler as we THINK he dies. And FOX would know that they spilled the beans, as we know they have eyes and ears everywhere. I don't think they want to lose everything they own just for some fanboys, do you?

[Octoberist]

i THINK Kinberg is doing his best. And hell, what he's doing is a service. But it's just a frustrating time now, until the release of the movie (well, until someone gets ahold of the novelization)

[StevieNicks1988]

(well, until someone gets ahold of the novelization)

Which shouldn't be long now. I got mine 2 weeks before X2 was released. One store already had it out.

[WorthyStevens]

i THINK Kinberg is doing his best. And hell, what he's doing is a service. But it's just a frustrating time now, until the release of the movie (well, until someone gets ahold of the novelization)

Yeah, but wasn't Jean's death changed in the X2 novel?

That's why I don't trust too many movie novelizations.

[ts16]

And we should also remember that Retro did e-mail Empire magazine, and they confirmed Cyclops' photo in uniform is from X3...


:eek: nice! I knew it couldn't have been old...This news is reason enough for me to believe that we'll at least see him in his uniform.

[peteapan]

The funny thing is that I'm not even a Cyclops fan, but I've been defending the character in the mist of these Storm fans (JK). Seriously though...it seemed like people didn't care, so I got upset. I was like "Cyclops is as important, if not more, than Storm or Logan. Period".

To me Cyclops is boring but I respect the character. He's been around since the dawn of the X-Men in the 60s. He's always been there, front and center, leading the team. And some people, but not all, are trying to discredit Cyclops and that makes me question their logic.

Like what I said, I hope for the best for Cyclops in X3. He deserves more and I hope that he'll make it. And if he dies, I want his death to serve a purpose, esp for Jean.

X3 should of been his movie. It should of been his story. But that's not what we're getting...and I've accepted that. It doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad movie. I just hope for the best.

Perfectly put :up:

[Octoberist]

thanks everyone! :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

I know that X3 is in deep **** and that everybody in the movie industry is laughing at it right now. I also know that big names and budget don't make a great movie. I ALSO know that Ratner said "more action and more comedy... less confusing story" about X3. Open your eyes folks. Just cuz it's X-men doesn't mean it's great. Go read "God Loves, Man Kills". THAT is some awesome X-Men storytelling. This dumb movie won't even come close. These forums are the only place where people talk about X3 in a good way. I'm a HUGE X-Men fan but I'm telling you... it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Go ahead and mock, then eat your words come opening night.

Erm....

I also have many "sources" in this industry, and from what I've heard things are going very well for this production. I'm not sure what circles you're associated with, but I'm not hearing any of the above.

[StevieNicks1988]

:up: It's the circle of his 'inner mind' speaking to him.

[peteapan]

:up: It's the circle of his 'inner mind' speaking to him.

Same place that source that told him CYCLOPS DEFINATELY LIVES came from right :rolleyes:

[WorthyStevens]

Same place that source that told him CYCLOPS DEFINATELY LIVES came from right :rolleyes:

Where else? ;)

[FieryBalrog]

Jean has never killed Cyclops in the comics as far as I know, so thats a plus.


Unless they're going by some bizarre What-If I've never heard of.

[Angry Sentinel]

Jean has never killed Cyclops in the comics as far as I know, so thats a plus.


Unless they're going by some bizarre What-If I've never heard of. Hasn't happened there either... nor in any of the Ba-zillion times they've mentioned other dimensions.

[peteapan]

Jean has never killed Cyclops in the comics as far as I know, so thats a plus.


Unless they're going by some bizarre What-If I've never heard of.

I havent heard of him dying in this way either. Ratner did say every single scene has a comic book page as reference

[VincenFilmerset]

Hasn't happened there either... nor in any of the Ba-zillion times they've mentioned other dimensions.
In fact she does kill the entire marvel universe in what if 32

[ironmaidenrules]

in the comic2film thread on this forum that has all the pics from comics that mirror film scenes they have a more happier ending to the whole glasses off scene

now i see it going down like this

it does work and they kiss...but jean starts going all freaky deeky and starts losing control and scott fires at her, she reacts and fires back BUT DOESNT KILL HIM

its that simple
she just doesn't kill him
there
ok
good?
great!

[Angry Sentinel]

In fact she does kill the entire marvel universe in what if 32 I stand corrected...:up:

I have read that one too, can't believe I forgot that.

[ironmaidenrules]

I stand corrected...:up:

I have read that one too, can't believe I forgot that.

well unless thats the surprise ending, i think we are safe on that note

[Storm22]

Erm....

I also have many "sources" in this industry, and from what I've heard things are going very well for this production. I'm not sure what circles you're associated with, but I'm not hearing any of the above.

I'd take anything larrythefilmmaker says with the tiniest pinch of salt LS! He's blatantly lied in the past so who know's what "sources" he has IF ANY!

[The Guard]

Hey Im all for hope. But come on, anyone saying this latest reply doesnt stink is lying to themselves.

Fair enough, it stinks that they had to make do with Cyclops with what they had in terms of screentime and James Marsden's availabilty. That does stink. It's stunk for MONTHS. And it's NOTHING NEW. You'd think people would accept by now that this is a reality of X3.

If Cyclops had a positive impact on the film at the end he would NOT have to make excuses.

Why? Is he going to say "Yeah, I know the carefully designed ad campaign make it strongly appear Cyclops will die or disappear, but just so you know, and this is a huge spoiler, he impacts the film powerfully at the end". Why not just HAND some of the most important spoilers away while he's at it?

He may say wait and see or u will be pleasantly surprised by cyclops in this film.

He has. He's also said he doesn't think fans of the character will be disappointed. That wasn't enough for people.

He wouldnt need to back himself up by premoting his own fandom, and then pass the buck by saying he did all he could but it was the damn schedules that ruined things. As I said it stinks and i dont care if thats negative cos its the truth.

Telling the truth about story and character limitations is not passing the buck. It's not as simple as "write what you want to write" with X3.

I really dont give a damn what kind of script they made, to be honest. If cyke dies, i'm not seeing it, period.

So let me get this straight. As an X-Men fan, you will miss a movie that contains:

(clears throat)

Powerful moments from:

Xavier
Cyclops
Wolverine
Storm
Beast
Angel
Rogue
Iceman
Colossus
Kitty Pryde
Magneto
Jean Grey
Mystique
Juggernaut
Pyro
Callisto
Psylocke
Multiple Man
Trask
Kavita Rao
God knows who else from the mythos
Continuing political and social commentary, the war to end all wars ,The Dark Phoenix Saga, The Cure, The Danger Room, and possibly Sentinels.

Hey, good luck with that. Hope you enjoy not seeing the film as much as you would have enjoyed seeing it.

Hey Im gonna see the film, and Im gonna judge it fairly. I liked X2 and i hated what happened with Cyke in it, so its not like I cant cope with it. However this time its death. If after 20mins I see him ripped apart without a single chance to shine in the whole series my judgement will be heavily impared.

What in the name of holy hell does "chance to shine" mean, exactly? Did you not watch the first two films? Honestly, what do you want to see? I am pretty damned certain there will be some powerful emotional stuff from Cyclops and Jean's interactions at Alkali Lake (which strikes me as shining, and it's clear they have Cyclops going off on his own and are going to spotlight him somehow), and another fantastic scene with Scott and Logan, and probably something touching with Scott and Xavier.

I dont know if FOX care as the general audience will be like wooo wolvy and jean can be together the way its mean to be.

That is highly, highly, highly unlikely to happen. The first two films made it clear that Jean was with and chose to be with, Scott. Why would FOX just switch it up now? I would think the presence of any kind of Storm-Wolverine relationship in X3 certainly indicates he won't be ending up with Jean.

I'm paying close attention and I'm not seeing anything but confidentiality. And they are not discussing every character. Many requests for details on Psylocke, Rogue, Trask, Sentinels, Professor X, etc., are going unnanswered too.

Exactly. It's just that the bulk of spoiler questions being asked are about Cyclops.

I think their answers are very "telling" for those who want to interpret their responses a certain way. But at pure face value, they've said nothing that indicates the character dies.

Or that his part in X3, regardless of the size, sucks. In fact, they've said much the opposite.

I know that X3 is in deep **** and that everybody in the movie industry is laughing at it right now.

Riiight.

I also know that big names and budget don't make a great movie.

No, but a troupe of talented actors and a decent script tends to. The teaser and trailer don't look bad at all. And most bad movies tend to look pretty bad in trailer format.

I ALSO know that Ratner said "more action and more comedy... less confusing story" about X3. Open your eyes folks.

That means "more action and more comedy, and a less confusing story". Your point?

Just cuz it's X-men doesn't mean it's great. Go read "God Loves, Man Kills". THAT is some awesome X-Men storytelling. This dumb movie won't even come close.

So it sucks automatically because it isn't one of the greatest storylines in comics?

These forums are the only place where people talk about X3 in a good way. I'm a HUGE X-Men fan but I'm telling you... it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Go ahead and mock, then eat your words come opening night.

Let's all make sure to bring this post up when X3 is a fantastic film and a smash hit at the box office.

[Storm22]

*applauds The Guard!*
Thanks! That puts things into perspective!

[WorthyStevens]

As always, Guard, your on the mark. ;)

[PhoenixRising]

Wow. The Guard, that must've taken forever to write. Good job.

[WorthyStevens]

Wow. The Guard, that must've taken forever to write. Good job.

Oh, that's one of his shorter posts. :p

[StevieNicks1988]

TG never lets us down. :up:

[Aiden]

Good post Guard :up:

[WeaponXProject]

Cyclops is a hard character to use in the films. Simply because he is the standard flat character who always "plays by the code" and does "everthing the Professor X" tells him to do. The transition is hard, in fact the leaders for most action films are naturally dull and redundant. Cyclops is not one of my favorite characters and he'll probably die in this film. Think about it, in the trailer he's only in the first minute and then disappears as the trailer shows the film in progression. My guess is that Pheonix accidently kills him as he tries to save her. It may sound unjust but you must realize this is the conclusion of the trilogy and there will not be another film with the same cast. There will be more films with characters like, the magneto film about his life, and the wolverine film which he alludes to being a prequel. All in all, Cyclops dead or not, this film is going to rock our nuts off. Get ready!

"THey say it's a cure... and I say we are the Cure!"-Magneto in X3.

[Storm22]

I hope we get SOMETHING about Cyclops from a1ant's interview with Ratner! Ratner doesn't seem as tight lipped as the writers, he's pretty much let slip about Sentinels and Kinberg did say "he's the director, he's allowed break the rules!"

[WorthyStevens]

Cyclops is a hard character to use in the films. Simply because he is the standard flat character who always "plays by the code" and does "everthing the Professor X" tells him to do. The transition is hard, in fact the leaders for most action films are naturally dull and redundant. Cyclops is not one of my favorite characters and he'll probably die in this film. Think about it, in the trailer he's only in the first minute and then disappears as the trailer shows the film in progression. My guess is that Pheonix accidently kills him as he tries to save her. It may sound unjust but you must realize this is the conclusion of the trilogy and there will not be another film with the same cast. There will be more films with characters like, the magneto film about his life, and the wolverine film which he alludes to being a prequel. All in all, Cyclops dead or not, this film is going to rock our nuts off. Get ready!

"THey say it's a cure... and I say we are the Cure!"-Magneto in X3.

With a trailer, it gets tricky. They're edited in a way to make you think something will happen, but often, it's misleading.

I'm not certain whether it's the case with X3, but as I said, be wary with trailers.

[taintedFB]

I just read Simon's last post and I still think Cyclops will survive. He keeps repeating what big fans they are of the character and of Jimmy. He says they did the best they could with the restraints (ie, schedule availability).

And they repeatedly said that every scene in some way references the comic. And though they do take some liberties, Jean wouldn't kill Scott. She still had enough control to spare him. Even if she did consume worlds. Attacking the professor is feasible because he manipulated her. But there's just no reason to kill Cyclops. So Jimmy's not available. I still think he's in a coma or something. Or held captive in a shielded location where Cerebro cannot detect him. Personally, I think he's unconscious at the mansion for most of the movie, then reappears for the final battle ie. the picture we keep seeing.

I doubt the BEST THEY COULD do was kill him off as an accident. And his return in the battle may not be a big twist or surprise. Just he's better, he's back. That's all.

His role will be limited, but what a great year for Marsden. He's in two of the biggest movies of the year and it looks like his role in SR is pretty big. I'm more curious about how Phoenix will end. It won't be Wolvie (failed attempt in the lab), won't be Xavier (Ooh, she's pissed at him!). So it can end in one of two ways... Either Jean will kill herself AGAIN or Scott will be able to reach her.

And the fact that Kinberg has repeatedly mentioned Emma Forst as a character he'd like in the next film suggests that Scott will survive, because in Astonishing X-men and other titles they are a couple (post-Jean). The more you think about it, the more it makes sense that Scott survives, because he could be the common character between trilogies and spinoffs. He could be head of teh school in the X-kids spinoff. It's already been mentioned that some characters may appear in upcoming spinoffs.

AS A SIDE NOTE: I think Trask's presence in this film strongly suggests Sentinels... WOW.

[WorthyStevens]

I just read Simon's last post and I still think Cyclops will survive. He keeps repeating what big fans they are of the character and of Jimmy. He says they did the best they could with the restraints (ie, schedule availability).

And they repeatedly said that every scene in some way references the comic. And though they do take some liberties, Jean wouldn't kill Scott. She still had enough control to spare him. Even if she did consume worlds. Attacking the professor is feasible because he manipulated her. But there's just no reason to kill Cyclops. So Jimmy's not available. I still think he's in a coma or something. Or held captive in a shielded location where Cerebro cannot detect him. Personally, I think he's unconscious at the mansion for most of the movie, then reappears for the final battle ie. the picture we keep seeing.

I doubt the BEST THEY COULD do was kill him off as an accident. His role will be limited, but what a great year for Marsden. He's in two of the biggest movies of the year and it looks like his role in SR is pretty big.

Exactly. Doing the best that they could doesn't sound like their apologizing for killing Cyclops, despite what some people say. :up:

[Storm22]

Hopefully their best is good enough. What do you think Kinberg was referring to when he said he is expecting a backlash from fans though?

[WorthyStevens]

Hopefully their best is good enough. What do you think Kinberg was referring to when he said he is expecting a backlash from fans though?

It could mean a plethora of things. *if* Cyclops dies, Xavier dying, Mystique getting cured.

They did say they were basing many things off the comics, so if they get some things wrong, it could mean that too.

[Optic Rage]

Cyclops is a hard character to use in the films. Simply because he is the standard flat character who always "plays by the code" and does "everthing the Professor X" tells him to do. The transition is hard, in fact the leaders for most action films are naturally dull and redundant. Cyclops is not one of my favorite characters and he'll probably die in this film. Think about it, in the trailer he's only in the first minute and then disappears as the trailer shows the film in progression. My guess is that Pheonix accidently kills him as he tries to save her. It may sound unjust but you must realize this is the conclusion of the trilogy and there will not be another film with the same cast. There will be more films with characters like, the magneto film about his life, and the wolverine film which he alludes to being a prequel. All in all, Cyclops dead or not, this film is going to rock our nuts off. Get ready!

"THey say it's a cure... and I say we are the Cure!"-Magneto in X3.

Yeah you don't really know the character of Cyclops do you.

I cant help but be slightly annoyed at Simon's latest responses, i mean i know he has said he cant say any more about Cyclops. and yeah i understand and accept that. but i guess i just didn't like his tone. I mean how did he expect people to react to the possibility of his death.

[X-Maniac]

Yeah you don't really know the character of Cyclops do you.

I cant help but be slightly annoyed at Simon's latest responses, i mean i know he has said he cant say any more about Cyclops. and yeah i understand and accept that. but i guess i just didn't like his tone. I mean how did he expect people to react to the possibility of his death.

He's getting frustrated, and who can blame him. Please read all his answers regarding Cyclops, then you can see how people are trying over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over to try to get a definite answer. He is not going to give you an answer regarding the death of any character. Someone asked if Storm was depowered or killed - the question was totally ignored.

Constantly asking the same thing over and over again achieves nothing. It just irritates people and tests their patience.

If i kept asking you the same question 23 million times, i am damned sure you would start to get weary, if not annoyed.


:down :down :down :down

[Optic Rage]

Of course i would.

And like i said i understand that he cant say anymore stuff about cyclops and telling people enough cyclops questions. but i think he should be a little more understanding about how strongly people feel about the death and just take the cyclops questions on the cheek.

[JokerNick]

Do you guys honestly really want to know scott's fate right now???? so many people out there spread spoilers around like wildfire, and I'm happy to see fox being tight lipped about this, I would be mad if they came out and said, yes he dies, or no he lives... I don't know about everyone on here, but what is the point of seeing a movie if you already know what's going to happen??? Movie's are supposed to suprise us, and either way, cyclops fate will be a suprise............

[Optic Rage]

Im pretty sure when the book comes out this place is going to be full of spoilers.