Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[ShadowBoxing]

Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it (especially since the Sentinels and now several other unmentioned characters have shown up). So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script". I swear if I here one more "I know who is gonna die" or "why Cyclops will die" I'm gonna die.

[Endeavor]

Uhm, Sentinels?
Are you under the impression that some of the so called "scoops" we've gotten here are legit?

[Maze]

shadow

the fact is unless your friend is right and he has seen Mardsen at Vancouver in a restaurant , and that we are unaware of some scene that have been shot , Mardsen has not yet shot anything ..(and even if we don't know all the details , since shoothing began we learnt who was shooting)

even more: some pivotal scene have been shot from what we know ( at Xavier mansion , at the Grey house this past few days) without him.

so again , hoping that we are unaware that they shot some scenes with him, for the moment thing are not looking good..

[xwolverine2]

do you think cyclops will at least fight someone in this movie?

[Endeavor]

Who knows. Maybe they'll film a nice scene where we see Rothman come in to b|tchslap him inmediately followed by Phoenix incinerating him. That way Rothman gets his revenge... :rolleyes:

[ShadowBoxing]

Uhm, Sentinels?
Are you under the impression that some of the so called "scoops" we've gotten here are legit?well that scoop also mentioned omega red and guanlet and that Cyclops would not die. I have proof for only half of what I just mentioned

[xwolverine2]

Who knows. Maybe they'll film a nice scene where we see Rothman come in to b|tchslap him inmediately followed by Phoenix incinerating him. That way Rothman gets his revenge... :rolleyes:

hes gotta have some fight scene.....i mean think about it...hes the leader. :O

[ShadowBoxing]

hes gotta have some fight scene.....i mean think about it...hes the leader. :OI doubt it. I think he has a few scenes with Jean from what I understand. I kind of gotten the impression that he will be behind the scenes. It will be something like, "Guard the mansion".

[ShadowBoxing]

Though details about the plot for X-Men 3 are sketchy at best, due to the studio's policy of tightly guarding the material, the most recent synopsis involves a geneticist (Shohreh Aghdashloo) who finds a "cure" for the mutation found in mutants, spurring the mutant Hank McCoy, known as "The Beast" (Kelsey Grammer), to seek a reversal for his condition.

X-Men 3 is directed by Brett Ratner and stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Shawn Ashmore, Daniel Cudmore, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Ian McKellen, Anna Paquin, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Kelsey Grammer, Vinnie Jones, Ben Foster, Ellen Page, Olivia Williams, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Bill Duke and Michael Murphy.

The film is produced by Lauren Schuler Donner and Avi Arad, from a screenplay by Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris and David Hayter.

The film is scheduled for release May 26, 2006. HNR will keep you updated on the latest news as it is made available.

Its odd how in all these articles that James Marsden name is prominantly featured...

I have seen this multiple times. It odd since it implies they reporters know that he is in the film (also that they list him as number 7 next to Phoenix) but are implication is nobody has seen him.

[LinHao]

Though details about the plot for X-Men 3 are sketchy at best, due to the studio's policy of tightly guarding the material, the most recent synopsis involves a geneticist (Shohreh Aghdashloo) who finds a "cure" for the mutation found in mutants, spurring the mutant Hank McCoy, known as "The Beast" (Kelsey Grammer), to seek a reversal for his condition.

X-Men 3 is directed by Brett Ratner and stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Shawn Ashmore, Daniel Cudmore, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Ian McKellen, Anna Paquin, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Kelsey Grammer, Vinnie Jones, Ben Foster, Ellen Page, Olivia Williams, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Bill Duke and Michael Murphy.

The film is produced by Lauren Schuler Donner and Avi Arad, from a screenplay by Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris and David Hayter.

The film is scheduled for release May 26, 2006. HNR will keep you updated on the latest news as it is made available.

Its odd how in all these articles that James Marsden name is prominantly featured...

I have seen this multiple times. It odd since it implies they reporters know that he is in the film (also that they list him as number 7 next to Phoenix) but are implication is nobody has seen him.


Am i the only one who noticed halle berry wasnt mentioned...

[cookiva]

Am i the only one who noticed halle berry wasnt mentioned...

Is that supposed to mean that she isnt in it? Because I think that she is, seeing as she is in pics and crap, dude.

[Downhere]

Is that supposed to mean that she isnt in it? Because I think that she is, seeing as she is in pics and crap, dude.

For some reason I found that funny. lol.

[cookiva]

I try

[Minisinoo]

From Shadowboxing ...
Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it ... So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script" ...

ShadowBoxing, with all due respect, putting together clues is what I do for a living ... literally. I'm a historian; I try to reconstruct "what happened" from (often very) limited evidence. So I get a lot of practice at hooking together disparate clues, reading between lines, looking at what isn't said, weighting conflicting evidence ... etc. Wading through movie gossip really isn't that different. ;) Most of the same skills (and tricks) apply.

What I see:

1) In reaction to the leaked AICN script, writers and others say, "That script is months old. There have been a lot of revisions since!"

But, let me point out something. "Revision" is not the same thing as "substantial changes to the fundamental plot arc." A manuscript can undergo revisions -- even major revisions -- without altering the basic plot. Or said revisions may alter SOME plot points ... but others remain as they were.

PLEASE, let's stop confusing "revision" with "throwing it out and starting from scratch," or "everything's going to be different!" That's what I see a lot of folks doing. On the contrary, it sounds as if large chunks of that script plot ARE being used, revised or not.

2) James Marsden has been back in the country since at least August, I believe, or perhaps the end of July. His wife had a baby girl in early August, and I think she was born here (whatever their hopes that she'd be born in Sydney).

Yet he hasn't apparently been spotted by ANYone, in ANY set report. Maybe he's spending all his time in his trailer, changing diapers, but I doubt it.

Also, no one at FOX is talking about Cyke specifically in interviews. His name is being listed in the credits, yes. That means nothing. No one is TALKING about his presence on sets, or his character. How curious, if he has any kind of role. And I know (personally) one individual who was on the set as an extra for a major scene in which -- if Cyke's character did live through the film -- one would EXPECT him to appear. Yet he wasn't there.

That is what we call an "argument from silence." Just not seeing someone doesn't mean much except one didn't see him. BUT, not seeing someone when you should EXPECT to see him is much more criticial. Now, there may be a reason he wasn't in that scene even if he lives to the end ... but the fact he wasn't is very telling.

3) IMDb has updated X3 cast and crew data and his name has been moved DOWN. Now, I give very little weight to the IMDb, in most cases. They're notoriously unreliable to the point that actors find the thing funny. But again, it's a little odd that his name was up higher in the list with the other returning actors, but now it's down under the "listed in alphabetical order." Maybe someone "edited" the cast who has a hate-on for Jimmy. But maybe not.

4) Then we have these persistent rumors from various gossip rags who often like to undercut each other, yet they all agreed on the point about Cyke's death. The only rumors I'm hearing that have him living are from individual Joe Blow types who claim to have read the script. Maybe one or more of them have, but even the gossip rags have been strangely silent recently about Cyclops, with a few exceptions such as the recent "scoop" on the trailer description, something receiving very mixed reactions. We will at least know when the trailer comes out whether it's accurate.

But if it turns out to be bogus, and we see little or nothing of him in the actual trailer, then yeah ... I'd say the AICN report was true, and whatever revisions they did, it didn't include removing Cyclops' neck from under the axe.

ALL that said, this is one critical analysis about which I'd be ECSTATIC to be proven wrong. I'm just cynical, at this point. And the longer it goes with no sighting of Marsden, or (official) word about Cyclops, the less hope I have. And it pisses me off.

[Kurosawa]

It's pretty clear that Cyke will either have a very diminished role (in a series in which he's barely appeared thus far), or he's going to die in a stupid degrading manner.

Case closed for me. I won't be going to X-3. Maybe I'll use the money I save skipping it to take in another viewing of Superman Returns. In fact, you can forget the maybe and make it a definately.

[Octoberist]

I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?

[Darthkush]

I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?

Not only an original team member, but the FIRST team member.:up:

[Kanon]

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.
Totally agree. It's stupid to tell a story around Jean Grey ignoring a huge part of her life like that (not to mention the stupid way he dies in the AICN script review).
I still don't think he is going to die, maybe thay break his neck or something to keep him away of the action. If they kill him, perhaps they are not realizing that the movie audience is not going to eat the "coming back to life" ***** that we comic readers eat every 6 months.

[Ions]

Not only an original team member, but the FIRST team member.:up:Well technically speaking, that was never established. Nothing about Scott was. He's not an orphan, he wasn't the first X-man, nor does he necessarily have a brother(who he may or may not be aware of). There is no backstory to him, so nothing defining him. The only thing the movies has told us is he likes to be in control, and he loves Jean, because he's said so. We haven't actually seen much of it. Certainly seen more intimacy between Jean and Wolverine. But because a few lines of dialogue says they love each other. Clearly... it means....
Meh.

Is it me or over the last couple days it seems more and more likely Scott is gonna die with a few mins of scenes at most? As foretold in the AICN script review. I guess its the complete and utter lack of any spotting of James at all. :down :mad: He's not even been spotted in Vancouver at all for frick sake. This looks bad.
He's either gonna die permanently, or he'll die/be in a coma for 99% of the movie and appear/revived at the end to mourn whichever X-men dies. [Ions feels very negative about this] :mad:

[ILuvCyclops]

I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?

highly agree with everything you're saying. making really great points.
im not hyped about this movie at all anymore. though thats just me. i cant see why it's marsden's fault, cause he "defected" to a DC project. He's an actor, he gets offered a job he likes, then he'll take it. the character of Cyclops needs so much development, but looks like yet again he's gonna be stuck in the background. quite dissapointed. :(

[Porochaz]

To everyone who is upset about the Cyclops dying thing (By the way, I agree with the whole Cycops is better than Wolverine/ James is better than Hugh thing and I also believe that Cyclops should get way more screen time...) the script or the plot or almost anything has not been revealed yet so WHY ARE YOU ALL SO SURE HE DIES!!! I'm going to hold up hope until the movie itself and besides Cyclops is a main character in the comics, it would not be wise to kill off such a major character.

P.

[Maze]

To everyone who is upset about the Cyclops dying thing (By the way, I agree with the whole Cycops is better than Wolverine/ James is better than Hugh thing and I also believe that Cyclops should get way more screen time...) the script or the plot or almost anything has not been revealed yet so WHY ARE YOU ALL SO SURE HE DIES!!! I'm going to hold up hope until the movie itself and besides Cyclops is a main character in the comics, it would not be wise to kill off such a major character.

P.

Why? Minisinoo summarized it very well:

From Shadowboxing ...
Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it ... So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script" ...

ShadowBoxing, with all due respect, putting together clues is what I do for a living ... literally. I'm a historian; I try to reconstruct "what happened" from (often very) limited evidence. So I get a lot of practice at hooking together disparate clues, reading between lines, looking at what isn't said, weighting conflicting evidence ... etc. Wading through movie gossip really isn't that different. ;) Most of the same skills (and tricks) apply.

What I see:

1) In reaction to the leaked AICN script, writers and others say, "That script is months old. There have been a lot of revisions since!"

But, let me point out something. "Revision" is not the same thing as "substantial changes to the fundamental plot arc." A manuscript can undergo revisions -- even major revisions -- without altering the basic plot. Or said revisions may alter SOME plot points ... but others remain as they were.

PLEASE, let's stop confusing "revision" with "throwing it out and starting from scratch," or "everything's going to be different!" That's what I see a lot of folks doing. On the contrary, it sounds as if large chunks of that script plot ARE being used, revised or not.

2) James Marsden has been back in the country since at least August, I believe, or perhaps the end of July. His wife had a baby girl in early August, and I think she was born here (whatever their hopes that she'd be born in Sydney).

Yet he hasn't apparently been spotted by ANYone, in ANY set report. Maybe he's spending all his time in his trailer, changing diapers, but I doubt it.

Also, no one at FOX is talking about Cyke specifically in interviews. His name is being listed in the credits, yes. That means nothing. No one is TALKING about his presence on sets, or his character. How curious, if he has any kind of role. And I know (personally) one individual who was on the set as an extra for a major scene in which -- if Cyke's character did live through the film -- one would EXPECT him to appear. Yet he wasn't there.

That is what we call an "argument from silence." Just not seeing someone doesn't mean much except one didn't see him. BUT, not seeing someone when you should EXPECT to see him is much more criticial. Now, there may be a reason he wasn't in that scene even if he lives to the end ... but the fact he wasn't is very telling.

3) IMDb has updated X3 cast and crew data and his name has been moved DOWN. Now, I give very little weight to the IMDb, in most cases. They're notoriously unreliable to the point that actors find the thing funny. But again, it's a little odd that his name was up higher in the list with the other returning actors, but now it's down under the "listed in alphabetical order." Maybe someone "edited" the cast who has a hate-on for Jimmy. But maybe not.

4) Then we have these persistent rumors from various gossip rags who often like to undercut each other, yet they all agreed on the point about Cyke's death. The only rumors I'm hearing that have him living are from individual Joe Blow types who claim to have read the script. Maybe one or more of them have, but even the gossip rags have been strangely silent recently about Cyclops, with a few exceptions such as the recent "scoop" on the trailer description, something receiving very mixed reactions. We will at least know when the trailer comes out whether it's accurate.

But if it turns out to be bogus, and we see little or nothing of him in the actual trailer, then yeah ... I'd say the AICN report was true, and whatever revisions they did, it didn't include removing Cyclops' neck from under the axe.

ALL that said, this is one critical analysis about which I'd be ECSTATIC to be proven wrong. I'm just cynical, at this point. And the longer it goes with no sighting of Marsden, or (official) word about Cyclops, the less hope I have. And it pisses me off.

and i love cyke too.

Welcome to the hype.. :)

[Octoberist]

Yeah, Porochaz, everything is well sumerized by Minisinoo.

remember when the Batman Begins script got leaked. Hell, I read it. And when the movie came out, there were some dialogue changes, but the overall story structure was exact same thing. Before the movie came out, the producers said that it was an dated draft, not the current one. Hmmmm....

If Cykes dies in X3, I don't want an X4....even if Gambit is the posterboy.

[the a1ant]

There's a consistant rumor I keep getting saying that Jean kills Scott upon their first meeting, but then she brings him back to life within minutes, lol...don't know if it's true though, so take it only as a big rumor. :confused:

[Maze]

my god.. :eek: :o :down Lol

and he is in a coma after that?] that is really becoming ridiculous.. :mad: lol

[Octoberist]

what the? What's going on here Maze?

[Maze]

what the? What's going on here Maze?

you didn"t read Ant post?

[Octoberist]

LOL. I did. I'm was trying to dramatic, Maze.

[Maze]

Lol i get it now.

the smart man seem to be gone , sorry octoberist :o :D

[Maze]

So to answer you, :D

what's happening, imo, if ant rumor and my theory are true is that they found a way to get rid of cyke/Mardsen without killing him..

It is even more insulting imo..

[The Black Mask]

i can't really say i have an opinion for mardsen as cyclops... because we didn't see a lot of cyclops in the films.

[ShadowBoxing]

So to answer you, :D

what's happening, imo, if ant rumor and my theory are true is that they found a way to get rid of cyke/Mardsen without killing him..

It is even more insulting imo..I would with this since it A) would not upset fans PRIOR to seeing the movie and B) it makes him even less important. If they kill him he gets a huge buzz and somehow they have to show how the team deals with his death. If they really hate Marsden/Cyclops that much they would not even give him that.

[Threshold]

How about they just don't kill him. sounds like a better idea to me.

[vanillacyke]

Ahhhh, I love this thread full of Cyclops fanatics. I am home.

[Octoberist]

It's a cop-out for Cykes to be in a 'coma state'. I would rather have get really involved with the plot than to be a vegatable. At the sametime, it's better than killing him off esp if they're going to have X4. But the way they'll handle it has to be well written, or it'll turn into an awkward way to solve Marsden's "conflicted schedule".

[Maze]

http://www.100megspop3.com/scottororo/gallery/cyclops/CyclopsIwantyou.jpg

Welcome vanillacyke :D :)

[Maze]

It's a cop-out for Cykes to be in a 'coma state'. I would rather have get really involved with the plot than to be a vegatable. At the sametime, it's better than killing him off esp if they're going to have X4. But the way they'll handle it has to be well written, or it'll turn into an awkward way to solve Marsden's "conflicted schedule".

you know what i would like if he is in a coma state?
That he share the psychical link that he has with Jean in the comics..
You see the possibilities there?

[Octoberist]

Holy crap...I was thinking about that too! You're a mutant MAZE!

I was thinking...in order for Cykes/Marsden to have more screentime, he could be involved with these 'psychical dreamlike scenes' where he's communicating with her. Then there's a FINAL scene where in the Phoenix's mind; you see Jean and you see Scott convincing her to stop it. (it would be a plus if he didn't have the visors or sunglasses. Think of the Prof X walking scenes in X2)

[Maze]

:eek: great great idea !:) :up:

Take note Fox !

ps: i guess our despair has started our latent mutant psi power octoberist :eek: :D

[Octoberist]

It's such a good idea that it would be a shame if Kinberg or Penn didn't think that up...

[Maze]

Yep ,they are fan of the comics..

really i can't imagine that they didn't think of that to arrange the "Mardsen problem" ..

[vanillacyke]

Geez you guys that is the most KICK-ASS idea ever. But who said Cyke was gonna be in a coma? where did this info come from.

[Maze]

Geez you guys that is the most KICK-ASS idea ever. But who said Cyke was gonna be in a coma? where did this info come from.

Well, i assume that he is gonna be in a coma if this rumor is true..


There's a consistant rumor I keep getting saying that Jean kills Scott upon their first meeting, but then she brings him back to life within minutes, lol...don't know if it's true though, so take it only as a big rumor. :confused:

[vanillacyke]

What the?!?! thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard, she kill's him and brings him back immediatly? That is the most POINTLESS thing I've ever heard. But ya know I would'nt put it past Fox and the retarded screenwriters, they've been in love with the idea of removing and destroying the foundation of the X-Men since the first film. GAAAHHH!!! I don't think I'll ever lose my anger over what they've done to Cyke and the rest.

[TNC9852002]

Uh, it's still only fan speculation, dude...Calm down a bit.. :p

-TNC

[Compi716]

How about they just don't kill him. sounds like a better idea to me.
My sentiments exactly.

[Minisinoo]

I'm not sure, even if that spoiler rumor is true, it would necessarily mean he'd be in a coma. I think the point of it would be to show her enormous power. She can kill . . . and resurrect, and do it for more than just herself. That's what gods do.

[Ions]

Uh, it's still only fan speculation, dude...Calm down a bit.. :p

-TNCSo what do you think will happen? :confused:

[Maze]

I'm not sure, even if that spoiler rumor is true, it would necessarily mean he'd be in a coma. I think the point of it would be to show her enormous power. She can kill . . . and resurrect, and do it for more than just herself. That's what gods do.

Yep , i'm not sure too(obviously :D ) , but there is the fact that Mardsen doesn't seem to be in a lot of pivotal scenes..

about the the resurection thing..well ok, you're right but , don't you think that dramatically it is a little undrammatic? ..

i mean , i think that we can assume that only phoenix could have that power ,Ok, but that mean also that everytime that somebody she likes die she could ressurect him?..

How can one worry that some people could lose their live , if she can do that? ..

[ShadowBoxing]

its quiet possible he goes into a coma since Kinberg already said there will be only one death. assuming thats xavier

[Endeavor]

Kinberg said there's only one death?

[Maze]

its quiet possible he goes into a coma since Kinberg already said there will be only one death. assuming thats xavier

well , he hinted about . a obi wan kenobi death ;) ..but that doesn't mean that there will not be other death..

[Maze]

IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?

Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died. …

....

[Endeavor]

Ah, ok... That's how these rumors get started. People change what they see or hear and post it as fact.

[Maze]

and that's the same people ,who tell that some of us read too much into things :D

( don't take it the wrong way shadow jk :) )

[Maze]

btw welcome to all people who have taste to the ( :D ;) )...



















































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The Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Endeavor]

I've got a better version of the pic I posted of Jimmy a couple of days ago. It's bigger/higher res. I'll post it in a few.

[Maze]

good :)

i edited my post .. :o :eek::D

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm, I don't know if Marsden will be in alot of pivotal scenes or not. I think it's to early to be making assumptions though.

However, I will say I'm assuming that Storm and Wolverine have more screen time than Cyclops just going on the completely unsubstantial information we have.

I'm going to guess that the main plot will be Storm, Wolverine and Xavier being the key mutants in the escalation of the mutant/human war which is antoganised by Magneto and certain government/corporate officials (Steven Lang..?). And that the Phoenix storyline will mostly be a side-plot, with jean awakening and being confused, that only really reaches the 'holy-****e! That's a flaming lady!' in the climax, as her rising is immediately unnoticed by some and overshadowed by other elements of the plot. (Which will probably involve 'the cure' Beast, Angel and members of the Xavier school in some capacity)

And I'm Hoping, that while not in that many scenes, Cyclops will get his due with scenes desplaying leadership, maturity and some emotional heavy Cyclops/Phoenix scenes.

[Endeavor]

Here we go:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Endeavor2/jimmybetter.jpg

[Maze]

Hmm, I don't know if Marsden will be in alot of pivotal scenes or not. I think it's to early to be making assumptions though.

However, I will say I'm assuming that Storm and Wolverine have more screen time than Cyclops just going on the completely unsubstantial information we have.

I'm going to guess that the main plot will be Storm, Wolverine and Xavier being the key mutants in the escalation of the mutant/human war which is antoganised by Magneto and certain government/corporate officials (Steven Lang..?). And that the Phoenix storyline will mostly be a side-plot, with jean awakening and being confused, that only really reaches the 'holy-****e! That's a flaming lady!' in the climax, as her rising is immediately unnoticed by some and overshadowed by other elements of the plot. (Which will probably involve 'the cure' Beast, Angel and members of the Xavier school in some capacity)

And I'm Hoping, that while not in that many scenes, Cyclops will get his due with scenes desplaying leadership, maturity and some emotional heavy Cyclops/Phoenix scenes.

well in the"worst" case scenario what do you think of that? :)
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It's a cop-out for Cykes to be in a 'coma state'. I would rather have get really involved with the plot than to be a vegatable. At the sametime, it's better than killing him off esp if they're going to have X4. But the way they'll handle it has to be well written, or it'll turn into an awkward way to solve Marsden's "conflicted schedule".



you know what i would like if he is in a coma state?
That he share the psychical link that he has with Jean in the comics..
You see the possibilities there?

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Holy crap...I was thinking about that too! You're a mutant MAZE!

I was thinking...in order for Cykes/Marsden to have more screentime, he could be involved with these 'psychical dreamlike scenes' where he's communicating with her. Then there's a FINAL scene where in the Phoenix's mind; you see Jean and you see Scott convincing her to stop it. (it would be a plus if he didn't have the visors or sunglasses. Think of the Prof X walking scenes in X2)
__________________ Edit : thanks endeavor :) :up:

[MsNatchios]

Here we go:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Endeavor2/jimmybetter.jpg

I see Jimmy's character is rockin' the used car salesman look! :up:

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm, I wouldn't mind if Cyclops was just relegated to the role of psychic anchor for Jean. If nothing else it would probably allow to a fuller feeling to the relationship.

I can see either Cyclops or Storm being the ones to calm Phoenix down if she goes all 'crazy power', because allegedly Xavier put the mental blocks and she wouldn't trust him and she seems to just see Wolverine as a 'bad boy' and not much more.

If she does go all 'crazy power', and If cyclops doesn't get to display any leadership quaalities and only serves the Jean story, than I would hope he recognises how influential he could be in calming Jean and not go all cryey and pointy fingers, because I think that would tarnish the film character a little.

[Endeavor]

Storm?

No
There is another besides Scott and Xavier who would be better suited at bringing Jean back down to 'normalcy'

[Maze]

David Hasselhof? :confused: :D ;)

[Endeavor]

HA!

You're just lucky I know you're kidding. :p

No there is someone else but I'm not even going to say because it should only be Scott and Charles.
I swear if they replace those two by Wolverine and Storm... there will be hell to pay.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm... Magneto? Mystique morphed as Jean's father? Rogue?

Yeah I agree, the two characters involved in bringing Jean back to basics should be the father figure and the life partner.

Not the momentary flirt, completely unsubstantiated friend, little miss plot device or self-serving villain.

[Endeavor]

No, no, no and yup.. you got it.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

ARrgh! I just had a horrible thought! What if the way phoenix gets doused is by the frickin cure! Bad Idea! Bad Idea!

[Downhere]

I don't think the cure brings back Jean to reality...because how would anyone be able to get near her to inject her with it. It will have to be a battle of the minds sort of thing to bring Jean back.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Yeah I was thinking she'd volunteer. Anyway, I doubt they'd do it I think that they have at least some respect for the fans. Not to mention it would be really anti-climactic.

Actually, I just realised I have a lot of faith in this movie. Fingers X'd.

[Downhere]

Yeah I was thinking she'd volunteer. Anyway, I doubt they'd do it I think that they have at least some respect for the fans. Not to mention it would be really anti-climactic.

Actually, I just realised I have a lot of faith in this movie. Fingers X'd.

I have alot of faith too in this movie. Everyday you get little snippets of quotes from the actor's and everything and it's just falling into place.

X to the 3rd power! lol.

[Darthkush]

HA!

You're just lucky I know you're kidding. :p

No there is someone else but I'm not even going to say because it should only be Scott and Charles.
I swear if they replace those two by Wolverine and Storm... there will be hell to pay.

worse than that, it could JUST be Wolverine and they could make Jean and Wolverine finally get together after having Cyclops killed off. now THAT would make me walk out.:down Well...maybe not. But i'd at least be pissed. lol.

[vanillacyke]

Oh hell, I'd walk out that'd be B.S. as far as I'm concerned there should be NO Jean and Wolvie scenes, NO Jean and Storm scenes. ONLY Scott and Jean, and Chuck and Jean scenes. Stupid FOX, I wish I had a good feeling about this film but I'm anticipating the death of the X-Men franchise (as far as films go, and no I'm not talking about spin-offs).

[Octoberist]

I agree. I would blame Penn and Kinberg for doing a big no-no with their screenplay. These guys are well educated men, and I doubt that they would let Logan and Jean 'get' together,but if they did, I wouldn't walk out. But I would think it's more like a political move by FOX....a stupid move that doesn't make any sense for story-sake. Jean was the woman that Logan can't get, and that's the whole dynamic. If you give in like that, and kick Cyclops while he's on the ground, that would be a mess.

[Ions]

Nah I don't see that happening, all things point to Storm and Wolverine hooking up. Plus in the story of the movies Wolverine sort of gave up on Jean when he admitted she loved Scott more.
I can see them screwing Scott over more though, either because they don't like the character. Aren't good enough writers to use the character well. Or just wanna punish James for working on Superman Returns with Singer. Who knows... :cyclops:

[newavengers12]

They should give him a chance to shine in X3, and then let pheonix tear him apart.

[Maze]

i don't see that either

Logan ultimatelly is a loner..it's one of the tragedy (and hence, one of the strenght) of his character ..Fox knows it..And it's why i bet , even if he exchanges "two kisses" with storm,we will see him "walk into the sunset" alone..

[newavengers12]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cyclops.gif I am your boss

[Retroman]

UPDATE
The Superman Returns shoot starts back in 2 weeks time to shoot one more major sequence according to the Daily Telegraph (Thanks to Redisnotblue for the heads up :up: )

Link: http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,16846242-5001025,00.html


During the break Bryan Singer has been back in the US taking a break celebrating his birthday(and most likely) working on HOUSE and the other projects he's got cooking, Kate Bosworth has been back in the US shooting commercials and doing things for Revlon, Parker Posey shot a Pepsi add with Jimmy Fallon, Kevin Spacey started back at the VIC theatre in London. Surely James Marsden must have (or is)filmed (filming) his part as Cyclops?! 5/6 weeks is a good amount of time.

[Endeavor]

And yet nobody has seen him or heard of him. :(

[Retroman]

And yet nobody has seen him or heard of him. :(
Yeah, it's weird. I've asked at the HNR forums if anyones seen Marsden. No reply yet....

[Maze]

yup.

But, i think what will be interesting would be to find a way to learn if there are some pivotal scenes which have been shot without we knowing it ..

Edit:For example , what about the dam scene?

[-Æ-]

Gosh, that mardsen is just______________and I want to_______________. I hope that he gets _______________________. It would be good if he would____________________, but hes constantly_______________________. X3 is going to be mardsens_______________________.

Feel in your on answers.

[x-alias]

If Cyclops must die then I hope he goes out like a champ and not a wimp.
I'ma HUGE Marsden fan and am upset that he has yet a chance to shine in this series. I'm hoping that these death rumors are just that, rumors. We'll have to wait I guess. I really wanna see him filming something! I almost had a heart attack when I read that other prank thread about him!

[-Æ-]

If Cyclops must die then I hope he goes out like a champ and not a wimp.
I'ma HUGE Marsden fan and am upset that he has yet a chance to shine in this series. I'm hoping that these death rumors are just that, rumors. We'll have to wait I guess. I really wanna see him filming something! I almost had a heart attack when I read that other prank thread about him!

How huge of a fan are you?


What are you willing to do, and not willing to do for Marsden *lol*

[Maze]

If Cyclops must die then I hope he goes out like a champ and not a wimp.
!

you know , the majority of people of cyke fan ( that i have read ..And including me) could accept that..

welcome to the hype :)

[x-alias]

How huge of a fan are you?


What are you willing to do, and not willing to do for Marsden *lol*

I'll do ANYTHING FOR HIM!! No, just kidding. :) Actually I'm a guy who just thinks Marsden is a pretty cool dude. I've really liked him in all the movies I've seen him in. I just want him to be something than the "other guy" in this one. He plays that part in 'the Notebook', unfortunately in 'X1' and 'X2', it seems he will continue the tradition for 'Superman", and I just hope it doesn't continue in 'X3'.
So i guess I kinda lied lol. I'm not the biggest Jimmy fan, but he's a cool guy and an underrated actor.

[x-alias]

you know , the majority of people of cyke fan ( that i have read ..And including me) could accept that..

welcome to the hype :)

Thanks! :)

[Retroman]

Edit:For example , what about the dam scene?
Could be.. :up: They shot a Revelstoke for a few weeks back in the August (see photo album). It's quite possible that Famke and James turned up to shoot there. Have no way of knowing though cause theres only pics of set props nothing else...

[HighVoltage]

Cyclops is One of my Favorite X- Characters.:up::up::xmen::xmen:

But, I Hate James Marsden.

[Maze]

Cyclops is One of my Favorite X- Characters.:up::up::xmen::xmen:

But, I Hate James Marsden.
Sorry about that :) ;)

[Maze]

Could be.. :up: They shot a Revelstoke for a few weeks back in the August (see photo album). It's quite possible that Famke and James turned up to shoot there. Have no way of knowing though cause theres only pics of set props nothing else...

yup , thanks retro..

that's what i thought..

shadowboxing say that one of his friend saw Mardsen in a restaurant in Vancouver..I wonder when that was..

If it's in august (and if it's true of course..,no offense shadow..) there is a good chance that sadly Mardsen will have shot his one and only scene.. :o :(

[GNR]

Cyclops is awesome and James Marsden is perfect.

[Downhere]

Cyclops is awesome and James Marsden is perfect.

Totally agree with that! :up:

[Leon the Professional]

James Marsden made me care about Cyclops

[Downhere]

Well, I've always cared about Cyke...he has been awesome in the comics. Marsden just brought him to life...awesomely I might add.

[xwolverine2]

thats completely true.........i never really cared about cyke until marsden.

[Maze]

well , i have been a fan of cyclops since the Byrne/Claremont era(which is the best about him imo)then i lost interest, sometimes after the 5 first issues of Xfactor.. i rediscovered him with Mardsen..:)

[Specter313]

Well, I've always cared about Cyke...he has been awesome in the comics. Marsden just brought him to life...awesomely I might add.

Have to agree that Marsden is a great choice. He really got the attitude down. I hate how people say he made the character all whiney and such, yet they only seem to reference the part in where Jean just died for that. Um HELLO! He just lost his fiancee/wife.(I'm still not clear if they're already married or not) Of course he's gonna break down. Cyclops wasn't immune to doing that in the comics either. James also took the leader role well, such as the time when he immediatly jumped into giving the orders when they were trying to leave Alkali Lake, and all the stuff in the Statue of Liberty, especially when he made the decision to blast Magneto when everyone else was telling him to wait.

[xwolverine2]

especially when he made the decision to blast Magneto when everyone else was telling him to wait.
lol......nobody listens to his orders..................all of his orders were rejected

[Darthkush]

You know why some people don't like Marsden and think he's a whiney Cyclops(I don't. I like him but I know why others don't)? I'll say it and I think a lot of people know but either they just don't want to say it or haven't really thought about it.

James Marsden doesn't have much bass in his voice. At all. His voice is kind of nasally and as a result, he doesn't sound very manly. Even his crying scene at the end of X2 would've been more effective had he not had such an high pitched voice.

Compare the voice of Marsden with the one on the fox animated series. I don't think anyone would've snickered if that guy had been crying.

Don't get me wrong, I think Marsden is a good Cyclops but his voice is kind of(to use an American Idol former catchphrase),"pitchy".

[Specter313]

You know why some people don't like Marsden and think he's a whiney Cyclops(I don't. I like him but I know why others don't)? I'll say it and I think a lot of people know but either they just don't want to say it or haven't really thought about it.

James Marsden doesn't have much bass in his voice. At all. His voice is kind of nasally and as a result, he doesn't sound very manly. Even his crying scene at the end of X2 would've been more effective had he not had such an high pitched voice.

Compare the voice of Marsden with the one on the fox animated series. I don't think anyone would've snickered if that guy had been crying.

Don't get me wrong, I think Marsden is a good Cyclops but his voice is kind of(to use an American Idol former catchphrase),"pitchy".

That makes sense.

[Hugh'sMrs]

I actually love Marsden's speaking voice. I think it's very smooth and sexy. He could talk dirty to me any time he wanted.

[The Guard]

Some people think Cyclops is a whiner because he doesn't kick everyone's ass who opposes him, and expresses his emotions in a movie, and they're stuck in 1950 when this was not the case in terms of appropriate masculinity. James Marsden may not have much bass (which wouldn't work real well anyway), but he's got some baritone to his voice.

[Minisinoo]

Marsden is a tenor. Unfortunately, voice pitch does matter. Any public speaker knows this. Marsden does try to adjust (as he's an actor, I assume that's on purpose, not by accident); when he barks out orders, notice that his voice is clipped and lower. Nonetheless, his voice is naturally high and light. It's deepened in recent years (too many cigarettes; he needs to quit smoking before it ruins his voice), but Darthkush is correct. The pitch of his voice does make a difference. So does his (relative) lack of height. Again, this is long recognized (check the height records of U.S. presidents, particularly since the advent of TV; few of them are under 6'). Both Famke and Hugh are almost abnormally TALL. It makes him look short by comparison (step box or no) -- though he actually isn't a particularly short man.

Add to all that, he's almost inhumanly pretty, and it makes some guys jealous. (I've talked to a few people who've seen him in person, and all say the beauty is genuine -- he's almost unreal, he's so striking. They've also commented that he's a lot more charismatic in person than has come through in the X-films. The glasses don't help.)

In any case, he doesn't fit the stereotype that we expect in a leader -- although that is more stereotype than reality. After all, Alexander the Great was short, rather feminine-looking, had fair skin, a piercing voice, and a love for Teh Shiny (e.g., jewelry) ... and he still kicked *ss across 1000+ miles from Greece to the banks of the Indus River. ;)

So Jimmy is in good company. ;)

(The above comparison is not entirely random. I remember reading once that Cyke is a fan of Alexander, along with Jimmy Stewart and "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." (g))

[newwaveboy87]

I actually love Marsden's speaking voice. I think it's very smooth and sexy. He could talk dirty to me any time he wanted.

amen. :up:

[GNR]

Storm's hair,McKellen's eyebags,and now James' voice?

[GNR]

People tend to pick apart everything when there's no flooding of news on the boards. =P

[newwaveboy87]

Storm's hair,McKellen's eyebags,and now James' voice?

assinine ain't it?

[Specter313]

I actually love Marsden's speaking voice. I think it's very smooth and sexy. He could talk dirty to me any time he wanted.

Now what's Hugh gonna think of that?

[Hugh'sMrs]

Now what's Hugh gonna think of that?

Oops I guess I shouldn't have said that out loud. ;)

[Downhere]

Wow, some of you hypsters really can get detailed on why people may not like Marsden as Cyke. lol. His voice? I always thought his voice was fine. I mean, it's not like he sounds like Skreech from Saved by the Bell. Geesh. lol.


Oh and by the way, Jean and Cyke were not married yet in X2. Just FYI.

[gap5ewl]

so marsden is going back for superman today and we havnt heard any reports of him on set for x3. im a little worried.

[Jan Irisi]

Wow, some of you hypsters really can get detailed on why people may not like Marsden as Cyke. lol. His voice? I always thought his voice was fine. I mean, it's not like he sounds like Skreech from Saved by the Bell. Geesh. lol.


Oh and by the way, Jean and Cyke were not married yet in X2. Just FYI.

It may not be the case of not liking Marsden, for me at least, it is the case that Marsden simply lacks the screen presense needed for the character. I know people will come on here and rant that he is a brilliant actor and all, but for me, he simply blended into the background. In a roll like this, more is needed. An actor needs an extra oomph, particularly when playing a character like this. When he speaks, you listen. When he walks into a room, people take notice. Marsden just lacks that quality. Jackman has it. Stewart has it. McKellen has it. Brian Cox has it. Even is a smaller way, Ashmore has it. Marsden does not.

Marsden may have a subtle style, but subtle is not what is needed when portraying a character like this. I do not blame the writing, nor do I blame the director. No one is to blame here. It is just a fact of life that Marsden lacks the presence, whether it be his voice, or his stature. He no doubt has what it takes in more intimate settings, but not here.

Just my two cents.

[Maze]

Well as much as i like Mardsen i agree somewhat.and sorry to say it but i think the same thing of Halle Berry.

Imo they have charisma for that kind of role but not as much as Hugh Jackman and Ian Mc kellen and the others indeed ..

If i picture the first Xavier Mansion scene in X1 , for example,with wolverine , cyke, storm and jean ,and Xavier ,with christian Bale and Angela Bassett in the role of cyke and storm i really feel that, they would have been really much powerful onscreen.

So again , i like Mardsen and on some extent halle Berry ( but not so much what they have done with her character..except for her "nightcrawler scenes ")but i don't think they were the best choices..

[x-alias]

James Marsden made me care about Cyclops

Right on!!! :up: :up: :up: :up:

[MsNatchios]

It may not be the case of not liking Marsden, for me at least, it is the case that Marsden simply lacks the screen presense needed for the character. I know people will come on here and rant that he is a brilliant actor and all, but for me, he simply blended into the background. In a roll like this, more is needed. An actor needs an extra oomph, particularly when playing a character like this. When he speaks, you listen. When he walks into a room, people take notice. Marsden just lacks that quality. Jackman has it. Stewart has it. McKellen has it. Brian Cox has it. Even is a smaller way, Ashmore has it. Marsden does not.

Marsden may have a subtle style, but subtle is not what is needed when portraying a character like this. I do not blame the writing, nor do I blame the director. No one is to blame here. It is just a fact of life that Marsden lacks the presence, whether it be his voice, or his stature. He no doubt has what it takes in more intimate settings, but not here.

Just my two cents.

Well I agree that there needs to be more of an ooomph as far as the movie incarnation of Cyclops is concerned but, to me, the problem lies in the writing and the directing moreso than Marden's screen presence. We're talking about the team's fearless leader, the original member of the X-Men, the heir to Xavier's dream. Can you honestly say that Marden's been given the opportunity to shine as this esteemed individual and, in turn, faltered? No way in hell. The movie verse Cyclops has been reduced to a Wolverine foil, background character whose biggest movie fight scene had him knocked out in less than 30 seconds by a chick. Instead of calling the shots at the risk of having the reputation of a jerk with a big chip on his shoulder (like New X-Men Cyke) he sits back while Wolverine covets all the worthwile things in his life. If Marsden was given proper material that is true to the comic Cyclops character, I think this would be a fair assessment. But he hasn't.

[The Guard]

It may not be the case of not liking Marsden, for me at least, it's the case that Marsden simply lacks the screen presense needed for the character.
How so? There's not a single scene where he says a line that has no weight to it that is supposed to have it. Every line he says shows his convictions. His lines don't exactly make you go "whoa", but that's hardly Marsden's fault. The man looks great in the suit, his action/drama scenes have shown all the presence I've ever seen Cyclops have ("yelling" and "being angry" does not equal presence, anyone can yell or be angry)...the only thing missing is the "screaming and blasting things" aspect, which let's face it, wouldn't work really well, given how these characters are being written. When he loses it in the plane, the yelling works really well there, though.
I know people will come on here and rant that he is a brilliant actor and all, but for me, he simply blended into the background.
Of course he blended into the background when he's not spotlighted. So did Wolverine, for me, at least, when he wasn't onscreen. That's the sign of a good ensemble film, I think. You don't sit there going "Wonder what so-and-so is up to", because the characters onscreen make you forget everyone else for the time being.
In a roll like this, more is needed. An actor needs an extra oomph, particularly when playing a character like this. When he speaks, you listen. When he walks into a room, people take notice. Marsden just lacks that quality. Jackman has it. Stewart has it. McKellen has it. Brian Cox has it. Even is a smaller way, Ashmore has it. Marsden does not.
That "extra oomph" is part of the comic book character, but that is not how this character has been written. Nor is it a neccessary aspect for an action hero, or even a leadership role. This character is in control most of the time, he's not one who just reacts. You've got to look at body language, subtle facial stuff, to see that Marsden does have that oomph onscreen.

Marsden hardly lacks screen presence. Nor does Cyclops lack presence. He has loads of it. It's His LINES that haven't been up to par. He's been given almost no "punchy" dialogue to work with, so he's had to give weight to more normal lines. And he's done a fantastic job. Ask anyone in the business, anyone who's worked with him, watch some of his other films. The man has loads of screen presence. On the level of McKellan and Stewart? No, clearly not. But who does?

Marsden may have a subtle style, but subtle is not what is needed when portraying a character like this.
James Marsden tends to be anything but subtle. He tends to be very broad in his acting, very up front. It is a testament to his acting ability that he is able to portray a character who is a bit more subtle, actually, having seen his other roles (check out SUPERMAN RETURNS where he basically plays Hal Jordan). And yes, subtly IS called for in Cyclops's character in terms of how he conducts himself, not neccessarily in how he speaks or acts (as in, he holds back sometimes when he may not want to). This is present in the X-Men films, and this has always been an aspect of Scott's character. This is a man who restrains himself, and you can't go around putting what you call "extra oomph" into everything if you're playing that kind of a character. Actingwise, it just doesn't WORK well. You turn the character into a near-parody of an archetype, and that is not what the filmmakers wanted. Even Wolverine does't have all that much "oomph" in these films (his lines do, sure, but he doesn't). Jackman's been fairly subtle himself with the character in most of his lines and sequences.
The writing of the character has been anything but subtle for Cyclops, and that is a success in terms of character. He's said what is on his mind for the most part. Been very blunt and open as a character. And you can be these things without "extra oomph" (which Cyclops has, but it's internal).
I do not blame the writing, nor do I blame the director. No one is to blame here.
O...k...
[quote]It is just a fact of life that Marsden lacks the presence, whether it be his voice, or his stature. He no doubt has what it takes in more intimate settings, but not here.
It is hardly a "fact", since that is hardly the impression most people get of James Marsden. In fact, it's quite the opposite. What does "In more intimate settings' mean? Do you want the broadly written, screaming and blasting comic book Cyclops? I don't know if you've noticed, but almost ALL the X-Men have been "toned down" for the movie adaption. Storm, Wolverine, Jean Grey. Rogue. Even Xavier and Magneto. They're all less "colorful" than they are in the comics. It's hardly a failure in writing or acting or presence. It's the approach of the movies so far. And you find this approach in almost every comic book adaption there is.
If i picture the first Xavier Mansion scene in X1 , for example,with wolverine , cyke, storm and jean ,and Xavier ,with christian Bale and Angela Bassett in the role of cyke and storm i really feel that, they would have been really much powerful onscreen.
I seriously doubt it. Cover up Christian Bale's eyes, and he's effectively screwed as an actor. Bale is a master at emoting with the top half of his face, but the bottom half, not so much, and his body language often leaves much to be desired. He can not do "intense" very well without his eyes (something Marsden can clearly do). As for "oomph", Christian Bale is actually rather reserved and refined in most of his roles if he's not playing a character who is "spazzing" or outright yelling things, which Cyclops almost never does in these films. Bale's usually very "quiet" with his lines. Very deliberate. I don't think he possesses the "oomph" you speak of any more than Marsden does in terms of natural emotion. Now, Jim Caviezel, on the other hand...
Well I agree that there needs to be more of an ooomph as far as the movie incarnation of Cyclops is concerned but, to me, the problem lies in the writing and the directing moreso than Marden's screen presence.
I'd agree with that, but I don't think Cyclops has been portrayed inaccurately. He's just been made into a more realistic, more refined, character.
We're talking about the team's fearless leader, the original member of the X-Men, the heir to Xavier's dream.
And every single aspect of that character is found in X-MEN.
Can you honestly say that Marden's been given the opportunity to shine as this esteemed individual and, in turn, faltered?
Every chance he's had to shine in any scene, he has. He hasn't gotten his "big scene" yet. Neither, really, has Storm, Rogue, or Iceman.
The movie verse Cyclops has been reduced to a Wolverine foil, background character whose biggest movie fight scene had him knocked out in less than 30 seconds by a chick.
He's hardly just that. And his biggest fight scene, if you will recall, involves, not him getting his ass kicked by a chick (Wolverine did too for a while, remember, she's hardly just a "chick"), but explosive amounts of power unleashed against Jean Grey, where he survived a heck of a fall and some telekinetic stuff, and came across as very "badass". He's also been seen blowing doors open, blasting Sabertooth into the harbor, etc. He's hardly been a boring character.
Instead of calling the shots at the risk of having the reputation of a jerk with a big chip on his shoulder (like New X-Men Cyke) he sits back while Wolverine covets all the worthwile things in his life.
In the scenes he's enountered Wolverine in, there are much larger things going on. Naturally, he's not going to just fight Wolverine for Jean's love over flirting. And Xavier is calling the shots about Wolverine being on the team, since it's HIS team,but Cyclops expresses obvious distate. This is a character who has spoken his mind plenty. He hasn't "sat back" at all, what he's done is "set priorities". He outright confronts Wolverine the first time Logan gets Jean alone, if you'll recall, and he DOES call the shots at the end, it's not Wolverine who comes up with the plan that works and smacks down the plan that doesn't.
If Marsden was given proper material that is true to the comic Cyclops character, I think this would be a fair assessment. But he hasn't.
And proper material consists of what, exactly? This?
LOGAN
Maybe we should-
CYCLOPS
WOLVERINE! SHUT UP!
LOGAN
Look I'm just trying to-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! I'M THE LEADER! EVERYONE STAND BACK!"
STORM
We are standing back, Scott. We're not complete morons.
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP, STORM! I'M GOING TO BLAST THIS! STAND BACK!

LOGAN
You already said-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! BRACE YOURSELVES!
(Makes a weird facial grimace and overexaggerates his stance. Blasts a hole in the wall with a massive optic beam)
STORM
We could have had Wolverine slice through the lock on that door, there...
Cyclops blasts Storm with a massive optic beam, sending her punching through another wall.
CYCLOPS
WE DO THINGS MY WAY! LET'S GO, TEAM! X-MEN ASSEMBLE!

[vanillacyke]

That scene in X2 where Jean dies, and Scott loses it, OH man that was KICK ASS!!!!!!! Marsden deserves every acting award imaginable for that scene PERIOD.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

And proper material consists of what, exactly? This?
LOGAN
Maybe we should-
CYCLOPS
WOLVERINE! SHUT UP!
LOGAN
Look I'm just trying to-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! I'M THE LEADER! EVERYONE STAND BACK!"
STORM
We are standing back, Scott. We're not complete morons.
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP, STORM! I'M GOING TO BLAST THIS! STAND BACK!

LOGAN
You already said-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! BRACE YOURSELVES!
(Makes a weird facial grimace and overexaggerates his stance. Blasts a hole in the wall with a massive optic beam)
STORM
We could have had Wolverine slice through the lock on that door, there...
Cyclops blasts Storm with a massive optic beam, sending her punching through another wall.
CYCLOPS
WE DO THINGS MY WAY! LET'S GO, TEAM! X-MEN ASSEMBLE!

Hahaha that made me laugh.
But seriously anything I could say about Scott's portrayal in the X-Films i've already said a million times over. (In all fairness, one or two massive optic beams would be pretty cool, as well as some direction, I mean who do you look up to in real life? Which one of your friends or family do you totally respect for their actions within a given situation?)
Also Morrison's New X-Men Cyclops is a great character, and probably one of the best portrayals out there, Whedon's Cyclops is also brilliant but they are very different takes on the same character. (As is the films take).
As much as I would like to see a 'showcase' rogue scene or a 'showcase' iceman scene, (or a Collosus scene) I think Storm and Cyclops take priority here due to fan support, and it looks like Storm will get her shining moment. I can't help but wonder about Cyke.
Truly I think this is what the fans want, I think some fans are annoyed that they didn't notice Cyclops being the leader in the X-Men movies but they noticed Jean and Wolverine and Magneto and Rogue (likewise with the Storm Fans) all Nightcrawler needed to concrete his popularity was that awesome scene in the white-house from X2, I'm sure people would be complaining that 'NIghtcrawler was wasted and didn't get properly realised like in the comic books" if he didn't have that scene.

[The Guard]

The one who is brave enough to speak their mind but not consider it the be-all end-all. The one who doesn't yell at people to get them to do things. The one who has the tact and the control to do something else to get people motivated to do what they want or what is neccessary.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

The one who is brave enough to speak their mind but not consider it the be-all end-all. The one who doesn't yell at people to get them to do things. The one who has the tact and the control to do something else to get people motivated to do what they want or what is neccessary.

I agree. And this is who Cyclops should be. But I also think that for a variety of reasons a lot of peole did not notice this about Cyclops's character in the first two movies. I would like to see that reversed.

[The Guard]

Then they need to reverse their thinking.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I think a little more focus on Scott's dialogue in the next film as well as attention to the lighting/camera angles in regards to him will reverese their thinking.
When it comes down to it the Cyclops we saw in X1 and X2 was just Singer, Penn and Hayter's take on a very multifaceted character. In X3 we will see Ratner, Penn and Kinberg's take on him. (Recently in the comics, Morrison and Whedon have both done different, but brilliant and no less innacurate takes on him)
I hope he gets one 'showcase' scene, as I feel this is what the fans are clamouring for (as are the storm fans) a scene as memorable as Nightcrawler's white house scene, Wolverine/Deathstrikes fight or Magneto's prison escape. As long as we remember (and we are reminded prior too) that Cyclops is a leader, a fighter and a lover than this scene will work.
I have a feeling he will get it. And then those who are saying 'he has not been properly realised' will be reduced drastically after the next film comes out.

[Downhere]

I would love to see Cyke really let loose with his beam...like really tear up some stuff with it. Yes I know in X1 he did blow a roof up but I want more!

[x-alias]

There's nothing that would please me more than to see him blast through a sentinel!! :cyclops:
(providing there are sentinels of course ;) )

[MsNatchios]

And proper material consists of what, exactly? This?
LOGAN
Maybe we should-
CYCLOPS
WOLVERINE! SHUT UP!
LOGAN
Look I'm just trying to-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! I'M THE LEADER! EVERYONE STAND BACK!"
STORM
We are standing back, Scott. We're not complete morons.
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP, STORM! I'M GOING TO BLAST THIS! STAND BACK!

LOGAN
You already said-
CYCLOPS
SHUT UP! BRACE YOURSELVES!
(Makes a weird facial grimace and overexaggerates his stance. Blasts a hole in the wall with a massive optic beam)
STORM
We could have had Wolverine slice through the lock on that door, there...
Cyclops blasts Storm with a massive optic beam, sending her punching through another wall.
CYCLOPS
WE DO THINGS MY WAY! LET'S GO, TEAM! X-MEN ASSEMBLE!

Having Cyke bark orders and tell his team to "shut up" isn't exactly my idea of having the character shine. Perhaps, hmmm...I dunno, a backstory, screentime that amounts to more than 8 minutes, some real character motivation (and not the "I'm a superhero/boyscout who wants to what's right" kind), some complex dialogue that showcases internal conflict or even flecks of who Scott Summers really is and, last but not least, substance. I've read your posts before and you think think Cyclops was handled justly in the past X-movies. Fair enough, but I don't, especially in X2 (save Jean's death scene). If the rumours and/or draft script holds true then the Cyclops character is going to take it up the rear in X3, which should have been his chance to shine since it's going to be a take on the Dark Phoenix Saga. You know, I'd be satisfied with the same amount of screen time that he had in X2 but with a few heartwrenching scenes coupled with some that showcase him as the true leader, not a cold corpse whose job is easily filled by Storm.

[GNR]

They need to stop portraying Scott as an uptight jerk coming in between Logan and Jean.I mean sure Scott is supposed to be uptight at times but there have been plenty of times the comradery between him and Logan has been showcased in the comics.They need to work on the rel'p between Scott and Logan and stop portraying them always at each other's throats.

[MsNatchios]

They need to stop portraying Scott as an uptight jerk coming in between Logan and Jean.I mean sure Scott is supposed to be uptight at times but there have been plenty of times the comradery between him and Logan has been showcased in the comics.They need to work on the rel'p between Scott and Logan and stop portraying them always at each other's throats.

I read one X-Men review that compared Scott to the arrogant jock boyfriend who comes between the soulful underdog and his popular girlfriend in many romantic highschool comedies. I'm not saying that'd how I saw the dynamics between S/L/J but I'm not suprised that people who know little about the comic would come to that conclusion considering the writing (or lack thereof) on Scott's part.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm, If Scott gets his due in X3 I will be firmly entrenched in the 'Cyclops was portrayed adequetly' if he does not i will be 'Pissed off to the muthaf***er'. Scott nevet got to shine in the previous films, before reading these discussions on him I firmly believed that the film-makers just never got him right, now I'm starting to have a more open view.
I think Singers take is just one take, there is a lot to Scott in Singer's movies that does allude to the character from the comics and obviously there is alot that doesn't, whether this makes the movieverse cyke anew or whether it just detracts for the fans is obviously open for debate, however while I feel that there are alot of things about Cyke that should have been done differently in the previous films, I am also comfortable with what *has* been done because for one it is in the past and can't be changed, and two Cyke's portrayal in the next film is the pivotal one. If his character memorably shines and expounds than this 'shining' will glow over all the films. I.E The Han/Leia dynamic from Star wars the original trilogy. We didn't really understand this dynamic till the third film, while I find comparing to other trilogies is relatively pointless, I think this is the best example I can give.
In shorters, I am not wholly approved of Scott's previous representation, but I understand his representation is not complete until the next movie (and the end of the current story). I will reserve judgement till then.

[GNR]

Cyke had good treatment in X1.

[The Guard]

I would love to see Cyke really let loose with his beam...like really tear up some stuff with it. Yes I know in X1 he did blow a roof up but I want more!

He blew up the roof. He blew a door off it's hinges in X-MEN. Blew Sabertooth through a wall and out over the harbor in X-MEN. He blew up a freaking dam with it in X2. Nailed Jean with some intense optic beams right before all that...

think a little more focus on Scott's dialogue in the next film as well as attention to the lighting/camera angles in regards to him will reverese their thinking.

I think some good dialogue is what he deserves. He hasn't gotten much bad dialogue, but he hasn't gotten anything really standoutish, either. His ACTIONS have been standout, his dialogue, not so much.

As long as we remember (and we are reminded prior too) that Cyclops is a leader, a fighter and a lover than this scene will work.
I have a feeling he will get it. And then those who are saying 'he has not been properly realised' will be reduced drastically after the next film comes out.

I have a feeling he'll get multiple such scenes. Not just one. As he's had multiple such scenes in X-MEN and X2. After all, Phoenix is rising, and the writers know their comics history, apparently. I think they recognize Scott has an important part to play in all this.

Having Cyke bark orders and tell his team to "shut up" isn't exactly my idea of having the character shine.

Mine either.

Perhaps, hmmm...I dunno, a backstory.

Ensemble films. Larger stories to tell. Extended backstories not that integral to doing a character justice in the context of this franchise. SCREENTIME.

screentime that amounts to more than 8 minutes

I think that's a given in X3.

some real character motivation (and not the "I'm a superhero/boyscout who wants to what's right" kind), some complex dialogue that showcases internal conflict or even flecks of who Scott Summers really is and, last but not least, substance.

Quite honestly, if you can't figure out the man's motivation from what's been shown...I don't know what to tell you. Do you need Scott to openly say "I believe in what Xavier preaches, I want to fight the good fight, and use my gifts for something greater, not drive a wedge between humans and mutants, but teach everyone, rather than hating them."?

I mean, come on, it's RIGHT THERE.

And you want substance. Fair enough. Substance like, a man who cares about the woman he loves beyond physicality? A man who doesn't just charge into battle and blast things? A man who appreciates what Xavier has done for him and wants to make him proud and carry on his legacy? None of these things seem like substance to you? None of them have been explicity stated. All of them have been shown or implied.

I've read your posts before and you think think Cyclops was handled justly in the past X-movies.

"Justly" is a tricky word. Obviously he deserves more. Most of these characters do. But I'm realistic. There are factors besides the fact that Cyclops could be much more at work here. Cast. Screentime. Stories. But nothing shown about him has been BAD, or detracted from what Cyclops has always been, metaphorically and literally, in my mind. He's an adaption, and a good one.

Fair enough, but I don't, especially in X2 (save Jean's death scene).

I get it. Cyclops got a raw deal in X2. So did Xavier. That was kind of the point of the story arc. To see Xavier and Cyclops taken out of action, manipulated, turned against the people they care about.

If the rumours and/or draft script holds true then the Cyclops character is going to take it up the rear in X3, which should have been his chance to shine since it's going to be a take on the Dark Phoenix Saga.

And you think these rumors from like, a YEAR ago will come true why?

You know, I'd be satisfied with the same amount of screen time that he had in X2 but with a few heartwrenching scenes coupled with some that showcase him as the true leader, not a cold corpse whose job is easily filled by Storm.

I'm pretty sure we'll get some. Even if he dies, I think we're going to get some very good, heartwrenching scenes in X3.

They need to stop portraying Scott as an uptight jerk coming in between Logan and Jean.

They haven't. They've portrayed him as a man who is used to being in control, and isn't, and is bothered by the way Wolverine treats him and others. It's Wolverine who "came between" Cyclops and Jean, not the other way around. And that's how it has been shown.

I mean sure Scott is supposed to be uptight at times but there have been plenty of times the comradery between him and Logan has been showcased in the comics.They need to work on the rel'p between Scott and Logan and stop portraying them always at each other's throats.

Cyclops and Wolverine haven't exactly been at each other's throats in these movies. They've had a series of disagreements, none of which were that major, although I'm sure Cyclops did not appreciate Wolverine messing with Jean. Both these things are a major aspect of their relationship in the comic books.

I read one X-Men review that compared Scott to the arrogant jock boyfriend who comes between the soulful underdog and his popular girlfriend in many romantic highschool comedies. I'm not saying that'd how I saw the dynamics between S/L/J but I'm not suprised that people who know little about the comic would come to that conclusion considering the writing (or lack thereof) on Scott's part.

Especially if those people didn't bother to watch everything in the films and interpret it the way the writers intended. I mean, as I've pointed out before, we could interpret Bruce Wayne in BATMAN BEGINS as a child molestor, but I doubt that's what the filmmakers intended.

[Porochaz]

I agree with almost everything that is said above by "the Guard"

Look at this though:

Quotes:
[from trailer]
Scott Summers: The last thing I need is you here.

Things looking up for poor Cyke then... That was the only quote there...

Check for yourself at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376994/

And whilst I remember there was an interview with the director(?) of the movie who said that it was only going to be a trilogy. So X4 could be a totally different thing all together and could also mean that IF cyke dies then he could be back for x4 (even if it is a different actor) Interesting,Eh?

[GNR]

dude,that trailer scoop was bogus.even the producer said he hasn't seen or heard anything about a trailer yet.

[Octoberist]

I'm back...

That trailer was weaksause phoney McGee!

But at least Cyclops had some lines, even though it's fake :)

[Octoberist]

El Bumpo!

[Specter313]

And whilst I remember there was an interview with the director(?) of the movie who said that it was only going to be a trilogy. So X4 could be a totally different thing all together and could also mean that IF cyke dies then he could be back for x4 (even if it is a different actor) Interesting,Eh?

No, they wouldn't do that. They've made it clear for a long time that they will not be recasting roles, at least not when the main actors are still available to do them. The actors are their characters, and if the actor doesn't want to return, they'll just take their character out and replace them with another.

[Angry Sentinel]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif phoney trailer makes angry sentinel... angry!

[GNR]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif phoney trailer makes angry sentinel... angry!

Indeed Angry one.Having Cyke just fall to the wayside in X3 again after the love of his life just died would just be a big No-No.

Hopefully when the writers and producers browse the boards,they can hear our cry for a better Scott Summers.

[Angry Sentinel]

Indeed Angry one.Having Cyke just fall to the wayside in X3 again after the love of his life just died would just be a big No-No.

Hopefully when the writers and producers browse the boards,they can hear our cry for a better Scott Summers. I know most find our harpings to be drivel but com-on this the Xmen, and that's supposed to be SCOTT "BLOODY" SUMMERS. Granted this film series didnt tell the story using him as the "viewpoint", but he still doesnt get the character time and story that he deserves in these films *sighs* ....maybe next time! :up:

[GNR]

I think it all comes down to the whole business of Marketing.FOX knows Wolverine is probably their most marketable and mainstream character when it comes to the X-Men.So whether it be this new animated series or in the movies,those marketing people are probably always going to play it safe with Wolverine.

[Retroman]

Still no news on Marsden? No sightings in Vancouver?

[Endeavor]

*bump* ...and a kick on FOX's unmentionables for mistreating Cyclops AGAIN! :mad:

[fazeforce]

This is the one point that has me worried the most over the film. Not a peep about Marsden/Cyclops.

Even if he has nothing to do in the film (a crime, I know) - I hope at least that he survives at the end.

The way I've looked at it since he was wasted in X2 - if they want to keep this franchise going, there is a good chance you're gonna lose Jackman, Berry, and Stewart at some point. Let Marsden/Cyclops move to the center in subsequent sequels. I think it would be a great opportunity for him, and I think he would do it; he could lead and train the noob X-kids.

[Octoberist]

NOt a peep! Unless he's shooting all of his scenes in-studio, I don't know what to think....

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Yes but, there has been hardly a peep from Famke as well.

And I'm pretty sure she has a major role in the film.

Although I could be wrong, it might just be one line. Then everyone forgets about her and goes and gets ice-cream.

Collosus: MMM, Ice Cream.
Iceman: Hey wasn't that Jean back there? And where's Scott?
Magneto: Shuttup, eat your ice-cream.
Xavier: Ahh if only the Ice-cream and the Sprinkles could get along.
Wolverine: I have a tortured past that can be healed by Icecream!
Storm: I like money!

And that goes on for about two hours. I've seen the script. It's really emotional stuff.
Theres this scene where Beast drops his vanilla cone, it's heartbreaking.

[fazeforce]

Theres this scene where Beast drops his vanilla cone, it's heartbreaking.

LOL! Good stuff, GWW.

Be careful though - CAN't help but think your MAGnificent script review might get picked up and get reported as fact by some less reputable sites. ;)

[Ions]

Yes but, there has been hardly a peep from Famke as well.

And I'm pretty sure she has a major role in the film.

Although I could be wrong, it might just be one line. Then everyone forgets about her and goes and gets ice-cream.

Collosus: MMM, Ice Cream.
Iceman: Hey wasn't that Jean back there? And where's Scott?
Magneto: Shuttup, eat your ice-cream.
Xavier: Ahh if only the Ice-cream and the Sprinkles could get along.
Wolverine: I have a tortured past that can be healed by Icecream!
Storm: I like money!

And that goes on for about two hours. I've seen the script. It's really emotional stuff.
Theres this scene where Beast drops his vanilla cone, it's heartbreaking.Hahahah a brilliant concept, you should write up a full script treatment. If X-3 turns out bad and Fox want to reshoot it they can take on your script, it will be light on the budget! :up:
[Ions is amused]

[ironmaidenrules]

i think the movie needs to have a huge scene where jean is going all crazy and scott is giving orders on how to handle it

dont you just wish u'd hear him use some military lingo?

also i'd love for them to take down one sentinel(sp?) wish him attacking and giving orders

i NEED to hear him boss logan around

and then when he finally gets to jean(assuming he has to fight through her telekinisis, you know trees and moutain parts flying about) i want one of those

"scott?"
"its okay, jean, i'm here"


and when they are trying to figure out who should go to jean

logan volunteers since his healing factor gives him protection...but then i want prof X to but in with
\
"NO scott and jean share a psychic link, he is the closest one to her mind and maybe the only person who can get through to her"

then mags sheilds him for as long as he can as scott goes to jean...then we have the whole "battle" between the two where scott shows how cool he is again by fighting jean but not realing harming her

[Retroman]

UPDATE
Don't have a heart attack.It's not news on X-Men 3 but news on another movie Marsden has signed on to.

Perlman on board for animated 'Conan'

Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:06 AM ET

By Tatiana Siegel

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Ron Perlman will provide the voice of Conan of Cimmeria for Swordplay Entertainment's "Conan: Red Nails," the first animated film featuring the mythic barbarian.

Marg Helgenberger, who stars on CBS' "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," and James Marsden, best known for playing Cyclops in the "X-Men" films, also are joining the voice cast, which includes Clancy Brown, Cree Summer and Mark Hamill.

The film will be directed by Victor Dal Chele, with a screenplay by Steve Gold and Timothy Dolan.

"Conan: Red Nails" is part of a franchise revival, which also includes a major live-action feature from Warner Bros. Pictures that the studio is committed to producing within the next year.

Principal animation is about to begin on the $4.5 million 2-D/3-D project, which is based on one of Robert E. Howard's most popular stories. "Conan: Red Nails" is set for a summer release by New Line Home Entertainment.

"Being the first full-length animated movie about Conan, we see this as a critical production in our quest to bring the barbarian to new audiences," said Malmberg, head of licensing and creative affairs at Paradox Entertainment, which owns the Conan property.

Perlman, whose screen credits include "Hellboy," has done voice work on numerous video games, among them "The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay," "Narc" and "The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter Source: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=filmNews&storyID=2005-10-19T050647Z_01_HAR918330_RTRIDST_0_FILM-PERLMAN-DC.XML

[Minisinoo]

Retro, you really do earn your Holmes icon. :)

[Ions]

i think the movie needs to have a huge scene where jean is going all crazy and scott is giving orders on how to handle it

dont you just wish u'd hear him use some military lingo?

also i'd love for them to take down one sentinel(sp?) wish him attacking and giving orders

i NEED to hear him boss logan around

and then when he finally gets to jean(assuming he has to fight through her telekinisis, you know trees and moutain parts flying about) i want one of those

"scott?"
"its okay, jean, i'm here"


and when they are trying to figure out who should go to jean

logan volunteers since his healing factor gives him protection...but then i want prof X to but in with
\
"NO scott and jean share a psychic link, he is the closest one to her mind and maybe the only person who can get through to her"

then mags sheilds him for as long as he can as scott goes to jean...then we have the whole "battle" between the two where scott shows how cool he is again by fighting jean but not realing harming herI love it!
Sad that it won't actually happen at all. :(

[MoPlaYa]

I`m Scared!!

[Ions]

I`m Scared!!:confused: Generally scared or are you scared of something in particular? :up: [Ions is amused]

[Endeavor]

I'm guessing he's scared for Cyclops' level of importance in this film.

[Octoberist]

Marsden.........where are you?

Funny, i've got this notion that Marsden's character in Superman is Brainaic. Funny feeling..

[Minisinoo]

Funny, i've got this notion that Marsden's character in Superman is Brainaic. Funny feeling..

I read somewhere or another that Singer described Marsden's character as Superman-esque. In short, it seems Lois turned to a guy who was like Superman in terms of his devotion to justice, but quite human (and without all that baggage of Supervillains chasing after him ...). I don't know if that means he'll be especially smart, but it does suggest he's a 'good guy.' I think he (Marsden) also compared his character to the one he played in The Notebook, who was also basically a good guy, not the smarmy spoilt rich kid she left for teh Better Dude. I prefer it when it's not entirely cliched and predictable. :O

[Octoberist]

I agree with you Minisinoo

When you have the "Other Guy", I prefer that they portray him as a decent person, not like a stereotypical jerk. Why? Because in life, it happens all the time. Also, it gives the other guy some depth, despite probably having a lot of screentime. For example, John Jamison in Spider-Man 2 wasn't that bad of a guy. Because of that, you felt bad for him. It just makes the movie more interesting that way.

There was a movie about the nice "Other Guy" called "The Baxter".

[ironmaidenrules]

thanks ions

that meant a lot coming from you

i thought of cool battle ideas for the x-men fighting a sentinel

bobby shoots his ice to ground and makes a big pillar that he and cyke stand upon and then cyke looks the robot in the eyes and fires one hell of a optic blast in its face

this is all going on while storm flys around it shooting lighting and wolvie claws at the back(thanks to collousus tossing him in a smilar baseball fashion)

all that would be done under cyke's command

[Octoberist]

I really want to happen. I'm giving up on that though..

[Ions]

Yeah, all these good ideas for Cyclops are all for naught. :( [Ions is a sad panda]

[Endeavor]

Well, one more nail on the coffin:

From Simon Kinberg's interview: "...As for how the film is going, we've been shooting for over two months now, and the film is going extremely well. The performances have been incredible... The film is going to be epic in many ways, in terms of action and physical scope, but also very emotional and intimate, in terms of the characters. We'll see very new sides of Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Xavier, and Magneto."

No mention of Cyclops in a story arc that should have him front and center... This sucks!

[Ions]

Indeed it does suck. :(

[vanillacyke]

Oh That Is Bull****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn The Freaking Bastard!!! Thats It Screw This Film!!!

[GreatWhiteWhale]

*Fries Kinberg with an optic blast then proceeds to re-write X3 Shooting Script as 'Cyclops and his Uncanny Friends'*

HAHA! TAKE THAT STORM FANS!


Seriously though, I am Sad. I don't like what I'm reading about the lack of a decent Cyclops Character Study. Or Decent Role for the Character. This had all better be wrong or a tease otherwise...

"This makes me a sad fanboy"

[MoPlaYa]

I hope Cyclops tell the team "Form up on me!!"

[tedw]

Just posted this, and thought the fans arguing about Cyke would be interested :P

Cyclops Returns: Yes or No?
Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005
Source: http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml

Thanks again to X-Men 3 producer Ralph Winter, who has given another yes/no confirmation for fans. Weeks ago, the character making the rounds of discussion boards was Gambit, and we asked for a solid answer on whether fans would see him on screen. At that time, we were told there was no role for the Cajun in X3, but this time around we have a more positive piece of news, for the fanboys and girls eager for the return of Cyclops:

"James Marsden is in X3, and we have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure."

We'll continue to bring you more X-updates, so if you have something you're really eager to know, send us an email!

[Specter313]

Just posted this, and thought the fans arguing about Cyke would be interested :P

Cyclops Returns: Yes or No?
Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005
Source: http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml



Wohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

I think this deserves it's own thread, ted! I'm so happy that I'm rhyming!

[TNC9852002]

Where was the confusion? I'm not surprised...I thought everyone deduced (for themselves) that Cyclops would end up being one of the keys to this Phoenix plot..

-TNC

[N_z0]

"...we have photographed most of his work."

Doesn't that actually confirm that Cyclops has a limited/small role?

[MoPlaYa]

I thought he said something about him playing a key role in this film!! :marv:

[JP]

Im with TNC.

[The Original Bamfer]

Indeed... I think he'll have a lot to do

[MoPlaYa]

wolverine would whoop the Green Ranger`s A$$

[JP]

Anyways, thanks for that info Ted!

[tedw]

No problem. I know a few people will think, "Well, we know Cyke is in already," but any kind of statement from one of the producers with some kind of info is something I think people appreciate. :)

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Too Right. I just wanted to hear it from their mouths.

I mean it makes sense seeing the movie is about phoenix, but that old old useless script summary made a lot of people very fearful..

[TNC9852002]

wolverine would whoop the Green Ranger`s A$$
:eek:
































































:confused:

-TNC

[The Original Bamfer]

Too Right. I just wanted to hear it from their mouths.

I mean it makes sense seeing the movie is about phoenix, but that old old useless script summary made a lot of people very fearful..

Thats exactly what it is... :up:

[Darthkush]

Call me a party pooper but that quote doesn't really prove anything. The way it's worded, it just sounds like p.r. to settle folks down. All it confirms is that he's in the film and I'd be willing to bet winter would say almost ALL the characters have a key role. For example, Juggernaut is in the film but haven't we already heard he's not gonna be heavy on dialogue and basically just be a grunt? I bet Winter would say he "has a key role" too.

Cyclops could be no different. This brings me slight comfort but i'm not getting overly excited till we hear some more Cyke-related spoilers.

[N_z0]

Call me a party pooper but that quote doesn't really prove anything. The way it's worded, it just sounds like p.r. to settle folks down. All it confirms is that he's in the film and I'd be willing to bet winter would say almost ALL the characters have a key role. For example, Juggernaut is in the film but haven't we already heard he's not gonna be heavy on dialogue and basically just be a grunt? I bet Winter would say he "has a key role" too.

Cyclops could be no different. This brings me slight comfort but i'm not getting overly excited till we hear some more Cyke-related spoilers.

Yup...i'm in the same boat. I feel like they're just sugarcoating everything. That's why i'm suspicious why someone in production said that there's no Gambit. That would only (and it has for some) lessen the anticipation for the movie. I feel like it's a red-herring. But let's not open that can of worms...mmm herring and worms. *touches belly :p * :D

Edit: Not that i'm discreditting Xverse here.

[Darthkush]

Yup...i'm in the same boat. I feel like they're just sugarcoating everything. That's why i'm suspicious why someone in production said that there's no Gambit. That would only (and it has for some) lessen the anticipation for the movie. I feel like it's a red-herring. But let's not open that can of worms...mmm herring and worms. *touches belly :p * :D

See, to me, it sounds very much like Cyclops is either gonna die or has a diminished role still. The powers that be are no doubt aware that many fans don't like this so they're hiding it as long as possible to prevent those fans from feeling negatively about the movie.

By the time it becomes public knowledge that Cyke has a crappy role, it will be too late and by that time, many of us(admittedly myself included) probably won't care as much. We'll be too busy having our collective minds blown by the numerous trailers, tv spots,and promotional tie ins will be bombarded with.

[The Original Bamfer]

He. Won't. Die.

[N_z0]

Is that speculation or is there some info Ant is holding out on us? :p

[The Original Bamfer]

Mine? Speculation... or... :p

[Lazmarquez]

I would personally prefer if he didnt die, but generally death of characters in films are also good. I have faith in the production enough to know they'd do it right either way. They're just in a bind due to actor schedules. BUT jimmy marsden did in fact have 5 weeks conveniently during the X3 shooting from Superman, soo... one can only hope he was put to good use on set.

[TNC9852002]

Does anyone know what happens at the end of the film?

-TNC

[GNR]

Does anyone know what happens at the end of the film?

-TNC

All the x-girls start making out with the Brotherhood girls and the story just gets lost.

[newwaveboy87]

All the x-girls start making out with the Brotherhood girls and the story just gets lost.

you forgot the part where they all slip into little boy underwear, and super short tops and wash the X-jet in a sexually suggestive manner.

[Ions]

All that clarified was he was in the movie, and no one was disputing that. "Key role" means little, the alleged death scene with Phoenix would be a "key role" in their thinking.

Sounds like a minor role with little or no action. If Patrick Stewart is still gonna be filming months from now and from what Winter says James has done most of his filming, then he won't be a part of alot of the film. Which means something happens to him to explain why the team leader isn't around for a large part of the movie. Which means he either dies, or gets badly wounded and unable to do anything.

I guess I can pretend to be interested in Superman Returns and see James get some decent screen time over there and pretend hes some sort of alternate reality Scott Summers. Since Fox doesn't seem so well disposed to him or Scott. :(

[GNR]

We want Cyke you eedjits!!!

[Lazmarquez]

you forgot the part where they all slip into little boy underwear, and super short tops and wash the X-jet in a sexually suggestive manner.

gasp..LOL.. that would certainly ruin any possible redeeming qualities about the film..ouch!

[Darthkush]

gasp..LOL.. that would certainly ruin any possible redeeming qualities about the film..ouch!

I don't think it would. I wouldn't mind seeing Halle, Famke, etc. in spidey underoos ala Cameron Diaz in Charlie's Angels. mmmmmmmm..

[N_z0]

That's my queu. :D

[Tony Stark]

He. Won't. Die.


You sure about that? Funny how these rumors always end up being true. We were told in Hulk that "Absorbing Dad" was a fake story and wasn't going to be in the film, and the only villian was Talbot. We were told that the early rumors of power loss in SM2 were false.

They made the decision to kill him off a long time ago, and they're going to have some pissed off fans when it happens.

Hell, look at the flack Wheadon's taking for killing off Wash in Serenity.... and he created those characters.

[Ions]

I still haven't forgiven Whedon for killing Wesley at the end of Angel! :(

[Downhere]

I still can't believe Whedon killed off Wash.

[chris moore]

Considering the chances of a trilogy of Serenity films - I was well disappointed when Wash died. Though his death was a good one - he went out after some courageous and kick arse flying and his last words were 'very Wash'. His death really meant something and you totally didnt see it coming (partly due to his last words being the joke that they were). Loved the movie! (though a chat for another forum methinks)

[Downhere]

I liked his character. I think it was just unnesessary.

[Ions]

So... Cyclops.. I wonder if they'll give him any developments to his wardrobe. A new visor maybe... [Ions attempts to move the conversation back to Cyke]

[Downhere]

I think the visor he had in X2 was perfect. It was sleek and non-bulky and allowed Marsden to show more emotion. Maybe they will alter his uniform a bit. Slight alterations.

[GNR]

Jimmy looked slimmer in X2.

[Downhere]

Maybe he worked out more...Hugh's face also looked slimmer due to him getting in top shape for the movie. Plus the smaller visor also probably added to making his face look slimmer.

[TNC9852002]

*bangs head on desk*

-TNC

[Downhere]

There is no news...what do you expect? lol.

[Ions]

Come on now TNC, don't do that. We don't want you to hang yourself again do we? [Ions will make sure your neck snaps should you go ahead with it though] :D

[Downhere]

[Ions will make sure your neck snaps should you go ahead with it though] :D

lol. That's harsh.

[Ions]

Hey now, TNC hanged himself a few weeks back. And I made sure to leap onto his legs and make sure his neck snapped. :up:
You can call me alot of things, but harsh isn't one of them. [Ions is amused]

[Downhere]

LOL. Poor TNC.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Many of our board members die regularly and come back. Hell, I died yesterday and I'm back already. :p

TNC will be ressurrected in moments, just watch.

[Ions]

TNC hasn't died again yet. And this is a forum dedicated to comics. So of course members will die and return. Although we never did learn how TNC came back to life. I'm sure he'll retcon us some backstory to explain it. :up:

[fazeforce]

Mornin', my peeps.

So - Winters' comments make me feel a little better, but I agree with most of the comments above - we all knew he was gonna be in the film anyway, so this means little.

Regarding his alleged death: I think that this was considered and part of an early draft - like the one that leaked to AICN. I'd wager that since then (and principal photog hadn't started yet) - Fox and Winters and Donner and Arad the rest heard the fanboy outcry at this and had it changed. This isn't to say that they beefed up his role - just that he doesn't die. Like maybe he'll be put out of commission or comatose (and I know I'm not the first to suggest this ^), then awakens at the end and so forth.

At least I'm praying that this is the case. But I can't see them going forward with his death at this point, after all the controversy it's stirred - b/c I can't see it being necessary to tell this story. Sounds like one of the producerial/writer meetings where they say, "Well, somebody has to die." NO, THEY DON'T.

[Quing]

I died twice this morning. :(

[vanillacyke]

I'm not the biggest Cyclops in the world

I just noticed this, Octoberist is NOT the biggest Cyclops in the world, lol. Well what kind of Cyclops are you then?

[Xdude88]

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/news/cyclops.jpghttp://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/spacer.gifCyclops Returns: Yes or No?
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http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/spacer.gifhttp://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/spacer.gifThanks again to X-Men 3 producer Ralph Winter, who has given another yes/no confirmation for fans. Weeks ago, the character making the rounds of discussion boards was Gambit, and we asked for a solid answer on whether fans would see him on screen. At that time, we were told there was no role for the Cajun in X3, but this time around we have a more positive piece of news, for the fanboys and girls eager for the return of Cyclops:

"James Marsden is in X3, and we have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure."


Something which I noticed in this article other than the confirmation that Cyclops is in X3, Winter describes Jimmy as a key cast member suggesting his role will be important in some way rather than just put him in a coma for the whole film :)

[Downhere]

Well, I'm glad Marsden has been part of filming. The weird thing is there hasn't been much mention of Marsden until now. But it's coming from Ralph Winter so I do hope it's authentic. Can't wait to see what "key" things Cyke will be involved with.

[Neto Magnus]

hahaha did anyone see the new Superman blog? Jimmy does a great impression of Bryan Singer.

[Downhere]

Really? I'll have to watch it.

[Retroman]

We already knew that Marsden was in so nothing new there and yeah he that was a really funny blog.lol

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, Ralph Winter did say "key" member.

Gambit never got that, even when he was in the movie, and look what happened to him (:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: )

So the fact that they are saying "key" cast member could genuinely mean he's got a good role this time around.

And the fact that Marsden is "almost done" and Patrick Stewart isn't doesn't neccesarily mean too much.

I mean, perhaps, because of his schedule, they filmed all of Marsden's scenes together, just to get them done. Where as with Stewart, they probably aren't filming him in every scene of the movie, and I'm sure that not every Xavier scene is being filmed together, but rather spread out a bit more.

I probably shouldn't do this, as I should have learned my lesson from the whole Gambit ordeal, to not get my hopes up when it comes to characters that should have good roles in the movie, but I'm going to go ahead and feel optimistic about Cyclops' role in this movie.

[TNC9852002]

You guys shouldn't have gotten your hopes up when nothing was really confirmed in the first place...

*points the finger*

-TNC

[Specter313]

hahaha did anyone see the new Superman blog? Jimmy does a great impression of Bryan Singer.

Heh, just watched it. That was pretty funny. Jimmy seems to have a rep in doing that. I remember seeing some behind the scenes stuff on the 1.5 DVD where he did an impression of Famke.

I also liked how Dyas pronounced aluminum.

[vanillacyke]

Marsden's hilarious in that blog. I lost it when tried to pet the "Puppies" lol

[TNC9852002]

They've been talking about Marsden's great impersionations since X1..

-TNC

[americanguy96]

I'm happy to hear Marsden has a key role in this film, even if it results in his death, which personally I hope doesn't happen, I want all his screentime to be used effectively and more emotionally.

[TNC9852002]

Who cares what we think may happen in the first parts of the film?...What it all may come down to is the climax and the ending, mostly of which we don't even know about,...So if Jean can die (unscriptedly) at the end of X2 and come back at the beginning of X3 unbeknownst to the casual movie goers, why couldn't the same happen with us and anything else in X3?

-TNC

[MattC]

Is James over here right now? I just read this post on another board, and while it could be false I am not entirely sure...

Last night I went to Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood, and lo and behold, there was our own Ava Moore, Famke Janssen. She was there with a few people, including the guy who plays Cyclops in the X-Men movies. She had a baseball hat pulled down low over her face, trying to be real sly, but of course I spotted her! I walked over and said "Excuse me, but aren't you Famke Janssen? You were so great in nip/tuck. Your character was pretty messed up, but you did a really good job!" She said "oh, thanks very much" and I shook her hand and walked away so I wouldn't seem like the kind of obsessed fan who would later post a retelling of the encounter on an internet message board...

http://niptuckfans.com/forum/show.php?f=0&topic=20051021141523&u=5

[Downhere]

Well, it's good to hear Marsden is out and about over there.

[TNC9852002]

Heh..."the guy who plays Cyclops"... :p :(

-TNC

[Downhere]

Well, unfortunately Marsden isn't a household name to some. lol. I wish he would find his breakout role instead of always playing the "boyfriend" type characters.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Well seeing he is staring in probably two of the biggest movies of next year I'm sure he's pretty happy.

Hell, maybe he'll get a role in The Bourne Ultimatum as well, then he'll be set.

[Downhere]

I'd like to see him in a lead role. He's a good actor and I hope he starts getting the fame some of the other X-actor's have gotten.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah,...X3 and Superman Returns should really get him in there...

I've noticed that Brian Cox has been popping up quite a bit moreso after X2...It might just be me though...I'd say he's definitely becoming more noticed..

Oh, and I just watched the latest Superman blog and it had be cracking up big time...I seriously think that Marsden could've gone and stayed down the other road towards comedy if he really wanted..

-TNC

[vanillacyke]

Oh I totally agree, He's got great comediac timing and just the way he say's certain things. I'm reminded of Sugar and Spice where he's talking about how Coco Puffs are good and Cap'n Crunch is bad cause it cuts the roof of your mouth, and the way he said it was perfect real funny stuff.

[x-alias]

It seems that Famke and James get along really well and hang out together a lot. I hope their chemistry really comes across on screen in X3!!!!

And the Superman blog was hilarious!! :up:

[Ions]

I really should get the 1.5 dvd. I would like to see these behind scenes stuff. :O

[CapBeerCino]

The blog was brilliant! Watched it 7-8 times and it still makes me laugh! The SR fans are sooo lucky... imagine a x3 blog every couple of weeks... :p

[ljr]

Oh what a lovely dream.I'd welcome anything on x3 at the moment.

[Neto Magnus]

The SR fans are sooo lucky... imagine a x3 blog every couple of weeks... :p

hmm...

[Ions]

Yeah James was wicked in that blog. :) "could somebody move that" ehehhehe
Bryan was pretty funny too though. Twice attempting to make a point and both times just before he makes it he takes a sip of coffee. :up:

[CapBeerCino]

Was it me or was Bryan trying to do James as well? (He was acting kind of hyper on that plain when Jimmy was "directing")

[CapBeerCino]

Yeah James was wicked in that blog. :) "could somebody move that" ehehhehe
Bryan was pretty funny too though. Twice attempting to make a point and both times just before he makes it he takes a sip of coffee. :up:

And dont forget:
"Hello pupies! I hate dogs..."
"CUT! That was fine. I'm not gonna use that, but that was fine."

That was definitely Jimmy highlight on x3 ...arrr... on the bluetights.net...

[conan69]

Marsden is STILL filming Superman.

[CapBeerCino]

"No! dont. you. say. that!"

[Neto Magnus]

"okay that wasn't even really a sentence"

[Ions]

I think it still looks bad for Cyclops in X3.

Marsden is STILL filming Superman. Why is he there so long for the role hes playing?
There was a quote last week that said he'd finished up most of his X-Men work, saying he was a major part of the next film and he was hardly in Canada for photography.


IMHO Cyclops will prob still die.I think that was filmed back when James was still in Aussie. That blog was delayed for 3 weeks(from what I read over on the site). And these things aren't released immediately anyway. So it could be upto 2 months old.

[Neto Magnus]

I think that was filmed back when James was still in Aussie. That blog was delayed for 3 weeks(from what I read over on the site). And these things aren't released immediately anyway. So it could be upto 2 months old.

exactly, they have to edit that **** which could take weeks

[GreatWhiteWhale]

This is a little confusing for me, it does seem that Marsden will play a decent sized part in Superman Returns, and be sort of a human counterpoint to Superman, but when were the blogs filmed? Do we know for sure?

Also, the alleged fan sighting saying that Jimmy and Famke are hanging out could mean he really is balancing his schedule between the two, or he could just be goofing with his friends Famke and Bryan on a day where he doesn't have to work.

We know that most of his stuff has been wrapped up, this leads me to believe that most of his scenes will be with Jean as we have heard hardly a peep from her aswell.

I'm speculating that , 'most' of his stuff being done means that he may still have to film for some ensemble action at the films climax, having the emotional and minor action scenes with the other characters already wrapped up.

I suspect that Storm and Wolverine will be elevated to Xavier's aides in this film (judging by the HNR pic) which means Cyclops doesn't necessarily have to fulful that role, I suspect he will be 'key' to a few scenes involving Phoenix and the X-Men, but not necessarily Magneto, Worthington, Bill Duke, Moira, Kavita, the Brotherhood.

You have to take into account that ALOT is going into this movie, there are ALOT of characters and plotlines being interwoven into a narrative, this does not mean that Cyclops won't get alot of screentime, it just means that, given the production schedule of the film, time economy is essential. So they will try and wrap up all the scenes where certain characters are involved in certain places and certain times.

Maybe Ratner wanted to wrap up all the Cyclops, phoenix, etc etc heavy stuff early on as there was a lot of SFX and editing to go with those scenes, not because they were killing the character.

We really don't have enough information at this point, there could be a number of things going on. Early script drafts, rumours and conjecture about inter-studio politics and schedulings can give you a speculative information to work with, but when it comes down to it, it is incredibly flimsly information to base an assertion on.

(I know it's your opinion, but it is always best to try and see a rounded perspective first)

[conan69]

"I think that was filmed back when James was still in Aussie. That blog was delayed for 3 weeks(from what I read over on the site). And these things aren't released immediately anyway. So it could be upto 2 months old."

Yes but isnt JM going back to Australia when filming resumes? I wasnt talking about or going by info with the blog but more recent reports of his filming.