Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[CapBeerCino]

The writings looks like a big red mustache. I need my beauty sleep.

[supermarvelman]

I doubt that. Someone has to be left as mother hen to all the X-students. I'm pretty sure she is there to care for all the kids after the horrors of the final battle.

And she says in the Wizard interview she doesn't really feel like she wants to do another X-movie, but it depended on whether it was feasible... so her character must have the chance to return.

Well she doesnt want to give to much away.
She's being honest when they ask her if she would do another X-Men movie, nowhere does she hint that she will live or die.

[taintedFB]

Let's look at the evidence:
1. New promo pic in uniform
2. Clear visual in final battle in the BG of the cameron bright photo
3. Marsden worked several weeks on the film and flew back repeatedly
(a writer said they had MOST of his stuff shot, but not ALL...could he be coming back for the last bg fight sequence later on?)
4. Ratner says nothing is permanent and alludes to Phoenix (who "appeared" to have died)
5. Kinberg says not all fates are what they appear. (the only fate that has seriously been suggested is Cyke's
6. It is not true to the comics as Phoenix never killed Cyclops
7. Cyclops is the only way Jean can be stopped (Logan failed in the lab, Xavier has betrayed her)
8. Writers and Director seem apologetic because they know we want more Cyke and will only get a little bit. (They have never acknowledged his death which wouldn' be a spoiler if everyone already knew it to e true)
9. Writers and directors know the comics and are fans of X-Men
10. Marsden is probably the only one who would return for future sequels tying the trilogies together (continuity)
11. The fact that this ties up things from X1 (relationship wise, etc) suggests that Scott will take over the school after Xavier.

All we have pointing to his death is limited footage in TRAILERS and an old review of half a treatment that was months before principal photography began and before Marsden had even signed on. Let's stay positive.

[Maze]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume1.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume2.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume4.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume5.jpg

[cyke93]

http://www.xmenfilms.net/xnews/101.html has an interesting story taken out from starlog magazine..

here are the two i find most interesting:

*Ratner on the final act: "I had to completely change the third act. The new conclusion is probably more expensive."

*Ratner on X4: Many seed are planted in this [X3] picture, but I haven't been hired to direct the fourth one. When it [X3] comes out, it'll be the determining factor."

Brett Ratner on continuity: "I'm trying to stay as true as I can to the core audience. The difference between the first two X-Men and this movie is, this is a darker film and that's because of the source material. The Dark Phoenix plotline is, well, dark

[Maze]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume6.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume7.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume8.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume9.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume10.jpg
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume11.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

Let's look at the evidence:
1. New promo pic in uniform
2. Clear visual in final battle in the BG of the cameron bright photo
3. Marsden worked several weeks on the film and flew back repeatedly
(a writer said they had MOST of his stuff shot, but not ALL...could he be coming back for the last bg fight sequence later on?)
4. Ratner says nothing is permanent and alludes to Phoenix (who "appeared" to have died)
5. Kinberg says not all fates are what they appear. (the only fate that has seriously been suggested is Cyke's
6. It is not true to the comics as Phoenix never killed Cyclops
7. Cyclops is the only way Jean can be stopped (Logan failed in the lab, Xavier has betrayed her)
8. Writers and Director seem apologetic because they know we want more Cyke and will only get a little bit. (They have never acknowledged his death which wouldn' be a spoiler if everyone already knew it to e true)
9. Writers and directors know the comics and are fans of X-Men
10. Marsden is probably the only one who would return for future sequels tying the trilogies together (continuity)
11. The fact that this ties up things from X1 (relationship wise, etc) suggests that Scott will take over the school after Xavier.

All we have pointing to his death is limited footage in TRAILERS and an old review of half a treatment that was months before principal photography began and before Marsden had even signed on. Let's stay positive.Could you present direct evidence of both those claims

[cyke93]

Let's look at the evidence:
1. New promo pic in uniform
2. Clear visual in final battle in the BG of the cameron bright photo
3. Marsden worked several weeks on the film and flew back repeatedly
(a writer said they had MOST of his stuff shot, but not ALL...could he be coming back for the last bg fight sequence later on?)
4. Ratner says nothing is permanent and alludes to Phoenix (who "appeared" to have died)
5. Kinberg says not all fates are what they appear. (the only fate that has seriously been suggested is Cyke's
6. It is not true to the comics as Phoenix never killed Cyclops
7. Cyclops is the only way Jean can be stopped (Logan failed in the lab, Xavier has betrayed her)
8. Writers and Director seem apologetic because they know we want more Cyke and will only get a little bit. (They have never acknowledged his death which wouldn' be a spoiler if everyone already knew it to e true)
9. Writers and directors know the comics and are fans of X-Men
10. Marsden is probably the only one who would return for future sequels tying the trilogies together (continuity)
11. The fact that this ties up things from X1 (relationship wise, etc) suggests that Scott will take over the school after Xavier.

All we have pointing to his death is limited footage in TRAILERS and an old review of half a treatment that was months before principal photography began and before Marsden had even signed on. Let's stay positive.

out of all those posted, i say #3 would be the only thing that would give us cyke fans something to hope for.. though 8-9-10 are also interesting things to consider

[The Original Bamfer]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume7.jpg

Nice, Maze. :up: I think this is the one they loosely based the Male X-suits on, mostly Cyke's in X2.

[Storm22]

All we have pointing to his death is limited footage in TRAILERS and an old review of half a treatment that was months before principal photography began and before Marsden had even signed on. Let's stay positive.

It's easier said than done! At this stage though I'm gonna stick with thinking Cyclops dies and hoping his death is handled well.

PS. I'd hardly call that Cameron Bright a "clear visual" either, It may indeed be Cyclops but I don't think we can use it as concrete evidence!

[X-Maniac]

Well she doesnt want to give to much away.
She's being honest when they ask her if she would do another X-Men movie, nowhere does she hint that she will live or die.

Jeez...you are soooo argumentative...

[Maze]

Nice, Maze. :up: I think this is the one they loosely based the Male X-suits on, mostly Cyke's in X2.

yes!:)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'd like to see a Dark Cyclops...oooh Dark Cyclops and Dark Phoenix... I could go for that. Isn't there a pic of them in a lake and its at night... ?heh ;)

[taintedFB]

Hey we should do a poll on what Cyclops "look" do you like the best. I personally like the one they used in the cartoon (from the Jim Lee era). Hate the rubber cap look.

[ShadowBoxing]

This was always my favorite
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume6.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey we should do a poll on what Cyclops "look" do you like the best. I personally like the one they used in the cartoon (from the Jim Lee era). Hate the rubber cap look.


Yeah the rubber cap doesn't work for me... I prefer his hair being shown, not hidden underneath some rubber. I mean what if Jean wants to stroke it?

[Maze]

Now that i think of it again Bamfer don't you think that is rather this one ?

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume9.jpg

[cyke93]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume8.jpg

my version of cyke.. this is how i discovered him .. though i like him in the black leather from ult x

[Maze]

Hey we should do a poll on what Cyclops "look" do you like the best. I personally like the one they used in the cartoon (from the Jim Lee era). Hate the rubber cap look.

good idea!:)

[DarknessOfDeath]

he looked rugged and scruffy looking in that pic.. thats the kind of Scott/Cyclops I wanna see. ;) heh.. but his boots look too big for him :p

[taintedFB]

The Cameron Bright picture was posted earlier in this thread.

And I can't remember who said it, maybe it was Rothman who said we have MOST of Jimmy's scenes shot. Maybe someone can find it on here. And there were several reports of Jimmy going to Vancouver more than once for X3.

ALSO ANOTHER POINT WAS

12. a writer or producer said Cyclops is a key player in this adventure. (A key player doesn't disappear before the adventure begins)

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm just not much of the underwear-outside-the-pants fan...

[taintedFB]

Hey how are you guys sticking these images in your posts. I can't PASTE in the message window. INSERT PIC asks for a URL.

MY favorite look is the same as Cyke 93, with the black leather a close second.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm just not much of the underwear-outside-the-pants fan...

hahaha. lol Me niether... lol heh. I like the leather x-suits in the movieverse.

[cyke93]

http://www.xmenfilms.net/xnews/101.html has an interesting story taken out from starlog magazine..

here are the two i find most interesting:

*Ratner on the final act: "I had to completely change the third act. The new conclusion is probably more expensive."

*Ratner on X4: Many seed are planted in this [X3] picture, but I haven't been hired to direct the fourth one. When it [X3] comes out, it'll be the determining factor."

Brett Ratner on continuity: "I'm trying to stay as true as I can to the core audience. The difference between the first two X-Men and this movie is, this is a darker film and that's because of the source material. The Dark Phoenix plotline is, well, dark

just thought id copy n paste this again

[JustABill]

I hate the condom suits...gugh.

[cyke93]

I hate the condom suits...gugh.

condom suits lol ! yeah you're right .. its not he's bald or anything lol

[DarknessOfDeath]

I hate the condom suits...gugh.

.....


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jtagliere/EN_00091786_001.jpg lol ... :p

[Hugh'sMrs]

Well, he was hardly in a position to rewrite the entire script at the late stage when he came on board.. it was all ready to go, aside from a director....

Don't blame Brett, he has done us proud in stepping forward so we get an X3 at all...

Except he's bragging about what he added to the film that wasn't in the script when he came on board (although technically all of those ideas were on Singer's Wish List) So if he can add all those elements, why can't he have made the necessary changes to feature Scott more prominently? He wants to take credit for some things and absolve himself of the blame for others which is I think is bull*****.

[JustABill]

I've heard an even dirtier reason for why he's back in the condom suits...it's cause a certain blonde someone's so loose in a certain area...that...yeah well....you get where that's going.

[LMason]

why can't he have made the necessary changes to feature Scott more prominently?

Because Singer made so many creative decisions in X1 and X2 to put Scott on the backburner that making him front and center all of a sudden makes no sense in the movie universe.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Your argument crumbles ridiculously here: "Singer went on to do superman and took james with him. from x2 dvd commentary, it seems singer would've done more with cyclops for x3."

If Singer went on to SR, how could he have done more with Cyclops in X3? He went on to SR, removing himself from being a director of X3, and then took James away, thus removing James Marsden from full availability for X3...

Bryan chose to do SR, and he also chose to take his creative team and one of the X-Men actors. He also met with several other X-Men actors.

I'm not trying to be mean to Bryan - he made business decisions he felt were right and recruited people he felt comfortable working with - but everything he has done has had an impact on X3. And he did not give a very good role to Cyclops in X2.

The team that people think Bryan stole from Fox have worked on every one of his movies, so they're his team not Fox's. Their loyalty is to Singer not the studio.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey ... anyone know a good site for Scott/Cyclops pics from the movieverse?

[Daniella]

I think that Cyclops:X - man hero is a good one... has pics of James as Cyke in both movies, I guess...

Dany

[DarknessOfDeath]

got a link?

[cyke93]

Hey ... anyone know a good site for Scott/Cyclops pics from the movieverse?

http://dreamwater.org/scottsummers/

[WorthyStevens]

*Ratner on the final act: "I had to completely change the third act. The new conclusion is probably more expensive."

Hmm....

IF that quote is true, hmm...

Could they be pulling an X2? They're trying to hide a huge surprise?

[PWN3R]

IF being the key word in your sentence. :p

[supermarvelman]

This is seriously the fastest moving thread on SHH.com, it moves at like light speed.

[gambitfire]

this and the jean one, bunch of Famke Fans :D

[genufine]

Your argument crumbles ridiculously here: "Singer went on to do superman and took james with him. from x2 dvd commentary, it seems singer would've done more with cyclops for x3."

If Singer went on to SR, how could he have done more with Cyclops in X3? He went on to SR, removing himself from being a director of X3, and then took James away, thus removing James Marsden from full availability for X3...

Bryan chose to do SR, and he also chose to take his creative team and one of the X-Men actors. He also met with several other X-Men actors.

I'm not trying to be mean to Bryan - he made business decisions he felt were right and recruited people he felt comfortable working with - but everything he has done has had an impact on X3. And he did not give a very good role to Cyclops in X2.

My theory. And before you think of replying, relax and read again.

Singer promised Marsden a bigger role in X3 if he justs lay low in X2. Marsden agrees. Singer then signs for SR and Marsden says What the Hell? Singer says Oh okay since I can't promise you a BIGGER role now, why dont you come in SR where I can give you a big role (ie Louis Lanes Fiance). Marsden agrees. Fox knows this very well - say to Ratner - DEFINATELY keep Cyclops a low key character - if not - less screen time then X2.

All politics. Simple politics.

[JustABill]

I swear....we are getting back to the old routine of....

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6894/330172137318deadhorseanim3iz.gif

[cyke93]

My theory. And before you think of replying, relax and read again.

Singer promised Marsden a bigger role in X3 if he justs lay low in X2. Marsden agrees. Singer then signs for SR and Marsden says What the Hell? Singer says Oh okay since I can't promise you a BIGGER role now, why dont you come in SR where I can give you a big role (ie Louis Lanes Fiance). Marsden agrees. Fox knows this very well - say to Ratner - DEFINATELY keep Cyclops a low key character - if not - less screen time then X2.

All politics. Simple politics.

exactly .. i can't really blame marsden either. he did not have a major role in x2 and when singer was out for x3 he shouldn't expect the same for x3 (despite the whole phoenix thing). singer him offers him a role. of course he would take it. but he likes x-men, still helped him boost his career, he was very gun-ho to do it but of course fox is like.. he can't have his cake and eat it too. they don't owe marsden or cyclops' character anything so they have a quick fix. the ONLY thing going for cyclops right now is the fan reaction to his "alleged" death.

if they thought his death would create buzz, they succeeded. trick the audience and the fanboys, which i hope is the case. but after 2 disappointing movies (as an x-men fan i loved x1 n x2 as a cyclops fan, no) i wouldn't put it pass them to really kill him off

[cyke93]

Hmm....

IF that quote is true, hmm...

Could they be pulling an X2? They're trying to hide a huge surprise?

hopefully they got the message and that after 2 movies the fans want to see cyclops have his due....... but then again they could just be re-tooling f/x and action sequences. cuz if they killed cyclops off in the 1st 3rd of the movie.. it'll be a whole lot of plot changes to bring him back to life for the final act .. more expenses is more likely more f/x, like angel for example. we haven't really seen him on the trailer or in promo pics besides that one

what i think is the most likely thing to happen is that he gets vaporized as stated before. jean feels bad.. goes through some stuff and joins up with magneto. but the guilt of having scott is still on her mind and they could do a thing where she relapses and has memories with cyclops or daydreams that she's with cyclops... like in the final battle she goes off in her dream world, she could be projecting cyclops in her head and they could create the famous scene in the comics, where scott and jean were in the dessert. jean would go through this whole denial that he's not dead and scott would say that he's just in her head and he would act as her conscience and tell her that this is wrong and that forces her to go back to the good guys.. i dunno thats just a thought

[cyke93]

This is seriously the fastest moving thread on SHH.com, it moves at like light speed.


i am a little bit surprised by this myself. i've come across many x-men fans but i was in the minority of cyclops fans, but being on this thread makes me happy to know that i'm not the only one and to read stories about people asking ratner or other people in x3 about cyclops .. gives me some hope.. or if he does die, this'll be a good place to vent out haha

[WorthyStevens]

hopefully they got the message and that after 2 movies the fans want to see cyclops have his due....... but then again they could just be re-tooling f/x and action sequences. cuz if they killed cyclops off in the 1st 3rd of the movie.. it'll be a whole lot of plot changes to bring him back to life for the final act .. more expenses is more likely more f/x, like angel for example. we haven't really seen him on the trailer or in promo pics besides that one

what i think is the most likely thing to happen is that he gets vaporized as stated before. jean feels bad.. goes through some stuff and joins up with magneto. but the guilt of having scott is still on her mind and they could do a thing where she relapses and has memories with cyclops or daydreams that she's with cyclops... like in the final battle she goes off in her dream world, she could be projecting cyclops in her head and they could create the famous scene in the comics, where scott and jean were in the dessert. jean would go through this whole denial that he's not dead and scott would say that he's just in her head and he would act as her conscience and tell her that this is wrong and that forces her to go back to the good guys.. i dunno thats just a thought

But Ratner did say he had to COMPLETELY change the third act. What happens and everything.

[PWN3R]

Changed third act so Cykes can team up with Arcade and Sugerman to take down Mags army!!!

:eek:

[cyke93]

But Ratner did say he had to COMPLETELY change the third act. What happens and everything.

i am hopeful with this statement but then i have to take it with a grain of salt. since he mentioned money, i think it's more with the final action scenes and special fx of all the mutants esp of angel and phoenix. we have seen nothing with Jean and the phoenix flames or angel in any other scene.

[Iceman]

I'm thinking that the Third Act changes have more to do with Sentinels than Cyke.

[WorthyStevens]

i am hopeful with this statement but then i have to take it with a grain of salt. since he mentioned money, i think it's more with the final action scenes and special fx of all the mutants esp of angel and phoenix. we have seen nothing with Jean and the phoenix flames or angel in any other scene.

Maybe he needed to use more money on an optic blast or two for that scene. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

I'm thinking that the Third Act changes have more to do with Sentinels than Cyke.

Brett said that:

All these things weren't in the script until I introduced them."

Which sounds to me as if he added the Sentinels in before he had to completely change the final act.

[JustABill]

I swear....we are getting back to the old routine of....

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6894/330172137318deadhorseanim3iz.gif
:o:o

[PWN3R]

But maybe the horse isn't dead? Maybe the pan is waking him up....

[WorthyStevens]

Maybe the horse just needs a few more beatings... ;)

[Iceman]

Brett said that:

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Which sounds to me as if he added the Sentinels in before he had to completely change the final act.

Introducing the Sentinels themselves would require the Third Act to be completely overhauled if they hadn't been previously included. I can't see them making their big appearance before the Third Act and if he's making other huge changes to the Third Act as well as introducing Sentinels then he's going to be a very busy guy. :)

[cyke93]

Maybe he needed to use more money on an optic blast or two for that scene. ;)

here's to hoping that's true ! ...

"All these things weren't in the script until I introduced them." "

I hope he meant having scott stay alive ! lol

[cyke93]

man i was hoping it was cyclops coming back .. lol.. but with sentinals in the mix... forget it ! .. sorry cyclops :(

[JustABill]

Barker commands you to stop beating the dead horse!

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6663/priceiswrongbarker6cj.gif

[PWN3R]

Yes my Master.

[rory]

Beating a dead horse???? The horse isn't dead....It just wants us to think its dead and then come back and talk us all back to sanity in the third act...

[Downhere]

Barker commands you to stop beating the dead horse!

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6663/priceiswrongbarker6cj.gif

That's funny Bill, almost as good as the one with Tom Cruise.

[WorthyStevens]

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[jcykeson]

Well, cykes appearing to Jean in her consciousness would be ok i guess... though i'd like to see him in combat, i'd be satisfied if he is the voice of reason for Jean to stop and join the good guys..

p.s: didn't in some comics episode, the Phoenix was used as a magnifier for Cyclops's optic blast that was like HUGE!!! i dunno where i read that....

[Halcohol]

Well, cykes appearing to Jean in her consciousness would be ok i guess... though i'd like to see him in combat, i'd be satisfied if he is the voice of reason for Jean to stop and join the good guys..

p.s: didn't in some comics episode, the Phoenix was used as a magnifier for Cyclops's optic blast that was like HUGE!!! i dunno where i read that....
You mean Cyclops' disembodied voice somehow brings Jean back around? I hope not.

Here's our options, as far as I can see:
1) He doesn't die at Alkali Lake, goes 'somewhere else' for the ENTIRE movie and makes a triumphant return at the end.
2) He does die, only to be magically brought back to life by Phoenix after she is brought back around by something else, maybe an impassioned speech by Wolverine :p
3) He does die, and is never mentioned again.

Personally, if he makes a return at the end of the movie, I'd like it to be because he was somewhere else. Who knows, maybe Sentinels show up at Alkali Lake and capture him, while Phoenix fights off more before passing out. The LAST thing I want to see is Cyclops save Jean and not even be alive anymore.

[Spidey 2007]

I swear....we are getting back to the old routine of....

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6894/330172137318deadhorseanim3iz.gif


OMG! TEH HORSE COMES BACK IN TEH FINAL ACT! SPREAD THE RUMORZ

[cyke93]

You mean Cyclops' disembodied voice somehow brings Jean back around? I hope not.

Here's our options, as far as I can see:
1) He doesn't die at Alkali Lake, goes 'somewhere else' for the ENTIRE movie and makes a triumphant return at the end.
2) He does die, only to be magically brought back to life by Phoenix after she is brought back around by something else, maybe an impassioned speech by Wolverine :p
3) He does die, and is never mentioned again.

Personally, if he makes a return at the end of the movie, I'd like it to be because he was somewhere else. Who knows, maybe Sentinels show up at Alkali Lake and capture him, while Phoenix fights off more before passing out. The LAST thing I want to see is Cyclops save Jean and not even be alive anymore.

if they kill cyclops off in the 1st 3rd and reworked the last 3rd, i dont see how they could bring him back to life with out explaining where the hell he's been. i think its clear that scott goes to the lake, finds jean first, prolly gets killed, and then jean is found by logan and storm.

i'd hate to say, the "voice of reason" idea i mentioned earlier might be the only way we could see cyclops on screen, though he really isn't cyclops but just jean's imagination.

[cyke93]

p.s: didn't in some comics episode, the Phoenix was used as a magnifier for Cyclops's optic blast that was like HUGE!!! i dunno where i read that....

i dont ever remember that .. and phoenix doesnt need cyclops to magnify her powers, phoenix is already a god

[cyke93]

i just wish we see a pic of cyclops in like the final battle or something where see other x-men like angel or beast in the background so i can sleep soundly at night and not come back to these forums until after the movies been released hehe :)

[Halcohol]

Yeah, but this way we keep talking about it and building hype, getting more & more excited, spreading the word to all of our friends, engagine in debates, and doing half of Fox's promotion for them :p

[Sunstar]

i just wish we see a pic of cyclops in like the final battle or something where see other x-men like angel or beast in the background so i can sleep soundly at night and not come back to these forums until after the movies been released hehe :)

That's never gonna happen cyke93, so looks like you'll be having many sleepless nights!:(

Don't worry though 'coz the guys & girls at SHH will keep you company through your insomnia! lol :D

[Chris M]

i dont ever remember that .. and phoenix doesnt need cyclops to magnify her powers, phoenix is already a god

It was in X-Factor #50. The conclusion to Judgement War. Scott and Jean combined powers to blow the hand of a Celestial.

It was a pretty forgettable storyline....

[jcykeson]

yeah! i think that was it.. thanks for pointing that out.. i knew someone here would know what i mean..

[X-Maniac]

My theory. And before you think of replying, relax and read again.

Singer promised Marsden a bigger role in X3 if he justs lay low in X2. Marsden agrees. Singer then signs for SR and Marsden says What the Hell? Singer says Oh okay since I can't promise you a BIGGER role now, why dont you come in SR where I can give you a big role (ie Louis Lanes Fiance). Marsden agrees. Fox knows this very well - say to Ratner - DEFINATELY keep Cyclops a low key character - if not - less screen time then X2.

All politics. Simple politics.

That's completely unfounded. It's just a theory you have, nothing more. There is no proof, no evidence. And it doesn't even sound right - Singer wouldn't have even known if there would be an X3 when he was doing X2, so he wouldn't make wild promises.

Singer was quite clearly 'poaching' actors for SR who he'd had experience working with. James Marsden signed up but he also spoke to Shawn Ashmore and also met (but it was allegedly a friendly non-business thing) with Famke.

I'm not moaning about what Bryan or James did. They made business decisions, they made their choices. But those decisions did of course have an effect on X3 - firstly they made Fox get up off its arse and think seriously about the project, instead of dithering; secondly, they created some studio politics and manoeuvring. I don't think we'd have had any Cyclops if Bryan had stayed with Fox because we wouldn't have had any X3. Fox didn't seem very bothered about doing it until Bryan actually left!

All this 340-odd pages of neurosis and panicking is ridiculous. It was Bryan's DEPARTURE that has CREATED an X3 with roles for Cyclops and the other X-Men. If Bryan had stayed on, Fox would probably have carried on dithering and not being that fussed about doing a third movie.

There are numerous factors at work here. But Bryan leaving Fox was the catalyst for X3, and the signing up of James to SR probably gave Fox another kick to get itself into gear and get the idea moving.

Cyclops had a crap role in X2 and it looks like any additional footage will not be seen or added into the movie for years, now that Bryan is tied up with SR. So you will have to content yourselves that we are getting an X3 and we are getting more Cyclops than if there had not been an X3 at all.

[X-Maniac]

..and just to hammer home the point, if you are looking to find someone to blame, point your finger at Fox. They are out of touch with what people want and not truly committed to their products; they just do what the hell they like without taking the public into consideration. They failed to commit to the X-franchise until Bryan went to the opposition. But at least that move gave them a kick in the nuts and made them open their wallets for X3.

[jcykeson]

i was wondering if it's possible for Fox to work on X3 later.. i mean after Bryan Singer did SR? Coz i think it was right after Singer signed for SR that X3 was announced to be released the same year, is it?

[X-Maniac]

i was wondering if it's possible for Fox to work on X3 later.. i mean after Bryan Singer did SR? Coz i think it was right after Singer signed for SR that X3 was announced to be released the same year, is it?

It's too late for that now. X3 is done.

There was no guarantee that Bryan would return to Fox for X3. He has a Logan's Run movie, i think; and he may have a Superman sequel. It doesn't look likely that he would come back to Fox for X3.

Besides, the delay would be too long. There is a considerable gap between each movie already.

[OnAMission]

Jimmy was on set alot. Whether he was filming or not, I will not say.

[X-Maniac]

OnAMission... we don't really trust supposed sources on here. People have been burned in the past by believing things that turn out to be false.

[Halcohol]

What could it hurt, right? Because there's SO much new info to talk about... :p

[Retroman]

That's completely unfounded. It's just a theory you have, nothing more. There is no proof, no evidence. And it doesn't even sound right - Singer wouldn't have even known if there would be an X3 when he was doing X2, so he wouldn't make wild promises.
Explain the final scenes then in X2? He had every intention of making a third, he had a very stong desire to finish his trilogy. If he didn't he would never have killed off Jean Grey and set up the Phoenix storyline.

He wrote a 14 (?) page story treatment for X3. On his way to a wedding in Hawai he and his writers were discussing this. Then the conversation shifted to Superman (because McG jumped ship) and the rest is history.....
Singer was quite clearly 'poaching' actors for SR who he'd had experience working with. James Marsden signed up but he also spoke to Shawn Ashmore and also met (but it was allegedly a friendly non-business thing) with Famke.
Singer never 'poached' anyone for Superman Returns. The only other x-men actor he actively tried to get on board was Shawn Ashmore, to play Jimmy Olsen. Marsden didn't have any work. He waited for FOX they chose to negotiate with the other actors (McKellen, Famke, Berry, Stewart etc). What was he supposed to do?Wait another 6 months and let an oppurtunity like Superman pass by?

Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman and Famke were never ever in negotiations for roles in the film. Jackman was in Australia at the time i think shooting some commercial + getting in shape for X3! He had dinner with Singer, his wife Deborah and Routh. Thats it.Famke happened to be in Australia promoting her new movie so she stopped by Fox Studios to say hi. Nothing more.

It was always Singer's intention to footage of Brando as Jor-El.That was part of his pitch to the studio i believe.

I'm not moaning about what Bryan or James did. They made business decisions, they made their choices. But those decisions did of course have an effect on X3 - firstly they made Fox get up off its arse and think seriously about the project, instead of dithering; secondly, they created some studio politics and manoeuvring. I don't think we'd have had any Cyclops if Bryan had stayed with Fox because we wouldn't have had any X3. Fox didn't seem very bothered about doing it until Bryan actually left!
Thats nonsense.He had every intention of bringing him back. If he didn't he would have never hired Marsden to do Superman in the first place.

I think it's Berry who might not have come back because she probably wouldn't get a bigger (or shall i say 'more meaningfull' as Storm fans like to say) role than X2.
All this 340-odd pages of neurosis and panicking is ridiculous. It was Bryan's DEPARTURE that has CREATED an X3 with roles for Cyclops and the other X-Men. If Bryan had stayed on, Fox would probably have carried on dithering and not being that fussed about doing a third movie.

There are numerous factors at work here. But Bryan leaving Fox was the catalyst for X3, and the signing up of James to SR probably gave Fox another kick to get itself into gear and get the idea moving.
Driven by revenge.We'll see next month if that was a good or bad thing.

Cyclops had a crap role in X2 and it looks like any additional footage will not be seen or added into the movie for years, now that Bryan is tied up with SR. So you will have to content yourselves that we are getting an X3 and we are getting more Cyclops than if there had not been an X3 at all.
Singer has stated that he'd like to do a new dvd soon and SR is coming out in June. So he won't be tied up that long.:)

NOTE: Singer and FOX started negotiations for X3 in December 2003. He signed for Superman Returns at the end of July 2004. Marsden signed for SR in January 2005.

[Retroman]

Updated Timeline.....

MARSDEN'S HECTIC SUPERHERO LIFE

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January 13, 2005
-James Marsden signs on to Superman Returns. He's playing Lois Lane's fiancé and father(?) of her child, Richard White.

March, 2005
-Marsden starts filming Superman Returns(SR) in Sydney, Australia.

March 19, 2005
-Avi Arad told the audience at Wizard World that he hopes to have James Marsden reprise his role as Cyclops in the next installment of the mutant series. Arad says that James Marsden called him and said that he read about this on the internet and said, "what are you doing...I told you I'm in."

March 22, 2005
-Matthew Vaughn announced as the new X-Men 3 director.

April 8, 2005
-Writer Kinberg (working with Vaughn on screenplay at the time) tells Moviehole:''I believe he is now (returning). The way I've written his character now. I'm trying to write him so he only has to come back for a couple of weeks. But he's definitely a part of the movie."

May 11, 2005
-Marsden offers to do X-Men 3 for free.

May 31, 2005
-Vaughn leaves X-Men 3.

June, 2005
-Marsden gets month and half break from SR schedule. Promotes Heights in the USA and spends time with 7 month pregnant wife and family.Meets old friend and co-star Famke Janssen at Heights after-party.

June 6, 2005
-Brett Ratner announced as new X-Men 3 director.

July, 2005
-Marsden returns to Sydney, Australia for SR shoot.

July, 2005
Production illustrator and storyboard artist Federico D'Alessandro posts a storyboard of a fight between Cyclops and Juggernaut. Speculation is that this scene was cut before production started.

August, 2005
-X-Men 3 begins principal photgraphy at the Royal Roads (Xavier's School) in Victoria, Canada. No sign of Marsden on the set.

August 10, 2005
-Marsden and his wife Lisa Linde, 33, welcome their second child. A daughter named Mary James. They also have a 4 year old son, Jack.

September 9, 2005
-SR goes on hiatus. Cast and crew leave Sydney for a well deserved break.Marsden heads to Vancouver for X-Men 3.

September 7 - 19, 2005
Exterior shoot for one of Marsden's scenes takes place between the Revelstoke and Mica Dam in British Columbia, Canada.It can be seen in the trailer.
Pics of set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaftigvegan/42018516/in/set-921188/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaftigvegan/42020573/in/set-921188/

October 19, 2005
-Marsden signs on to voice the animated movie Conan: Red Nails.

October 20, 2005
-Producer Ralph Winter tells TheXverse that ''We have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure.''

Mid/Late October, 2005
-SR filming resumes in Sydney, Australia. Cast and crew return including Marsden.

November 7, 2005
-Signs on to the all star (and i mean all-star) ensemble cast of 'Bobby'.

November 24, 2005
-SR principal photography ends in Sydney, Australia. Marsden jets back to North America.

December 7, 2005
-Marsden signs on to big-budget family film 'Enchanted'.

December, 2005
-Spotted in Los Angeles with other celebrities by newspaper.

Late December,2005/Early January, 2006
-Principal Photography ends for X-Men 3. Some sets remain intact for pick-ups, re-shoot and possible additional shooting March, 2006 in Vancouver and possibly Fox Studios in L.A.

January, 2006
-Bobby photography ends in Los Angeles. Marsden name appears on press release quashing rumors he'd bailed on the project.

February, 2006
-Visual effects supervisor John Bruno says he wants to make a little more realistic/more visceral looking optic blast for Cyclops.
-Writers Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn profess their love for the character Cyclops and say the would like to have James Marsden presence back on the set.
-Empire Magazine publish a first photo of Marsden in full X battle costume.


March, 2006
Marsden will possibly return to the Vancouver set for additional shooting. Trailer released revealing more of the scenes at Alkali Lake.
New photos released of Marsden at Alkali Lake on his motorcycle and with a resurrected Jean Grey.

April, 2006
-Marsden to start work on Enchanted in New York.

Brett Ratner talks about Cyclops to Starlog Magazine:

"I don't think he's less important, but things happen in this movie that shift the focus. It's not like we kick Cyclops to the side. However, some shocking events do take place - but they make sense plotwise." - Thanks to a1ant


May, 2006
-Worldwide Release of X3 and press tour duties?

June, 2006
-Worldwide release of SR and press tour duties.



Sources: About.com, Newsweek, Coming Soon, Flickr, Superherohype, TheXverse, IESB, XMF, imdb and more

[Halcohol]

Retro, you'd make a pretty decent stalker, you know that?

[Retroman]

Retro, you'd make a pretty decent stalker, you know that?
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O RLY???:O

[DarknessOfDeath]

lol...:o

[Halcohol]

Thanks for all the info, dude. And yes, I rly mean it :)

[conan69]

Singer had EVERY intention of returning to do X3. He stated numerous times he wanted to do a X-men trilogy.

Fox studio bull**** drove him away. I dont think he wanted to leave, but quite simply he was in a position where he didnt have to put up with bull**** and chose not to.

WB offered him SR and he took it.

I dont understand why Mardsen had to be on set for SR for so long for a supporting role.

[Retroman]

Thanks for all the info, dude. And yes, I rly mean it :)
No problem man.

[Iceman]

It's possible that the chance to direct Superman, of which he is genuinely a massive fan, might have tempted him to leave X3 even without the mucking about from Fox.

[Halcohol]

Well remember, he wasn't an X-Men fan until after he did the first movie. I think he said he's been a Superman fan since he was a kid. Who wouldn't want to do SR if you've loved it since you were little?

[X-Maniac]

Explain the final scenes then in X2? He had every intention of making a third, he had a very stong desire to finish his trilogy. If he didn't he would never have killed off Jean Grey and set up the Phoenix storyline.

He wrote a 14 (?) page story treatment for X3. On his way to a wedding in Hawai he and his writers were discussing this. Then the conversation shifted to Superman (because McG jumped ship) and the rest is history.....

Singer never 'poached' anyone for Superman Returns. The only other x-men actor he actively tried to get on board was Shawn Ashmore, to play Jimmy Olsen. Marsden didn't have any work. He waited for FOX they chose to negotiate with the other actors (McKellen, Famke, Berry, Stewart etc). What was he supposed to do?Wait another 6 months and let an oppurtunity like Superman pass by?

Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman and Famke were never ever in negotiations for roles in the film. Jackman was in Australia at the time i think shooting some commercial + getting in shape for X3! He had dinner with Singer, his wife Deborah and Routh. Thats it.Famke happened to be in Australia promoting her new movie so she stopped by Fox Studios to say hi. Nothing more.

It was always Singer's intention to footage of Brando as Jor-El.That was part of his pitch to the studio i believe.


Thats nonsense.He had every intention of bringing him back. If he didn't he would have never hired Marsden to do Superman in the first place.

I think it's Berry who might not have come back because she probably wouldn't get a bigger (or shall i say 'more meaningfull' as Storm fans like to say) role than X2.

Driven by revenge.We'll see next month if that was a good or bad thing.


Singer has stated that he'd like to do a new dvd soon and SR is coming out in June. So he won't be tied up that long.:)

NOTE: Singer and FOX started negotiations for X3 in December 2003. He signed for Superman Returns at the end of July 2004. Marsden signed for SR in January 2005.

Retroman, whatever we say, the fact remains that Bryan Singer chose to do SR. And James Marsden joined him.

Thankfully we are still getting an X3.

[Retroman]

Retroman, whatever we say, the fact remains that Bryan Singer chose to do SR. And James Marsden joined him.

Thankfully we are still getting an X3.
Yes, but after long hesitation from FOX.Singer would have done both if it was possible.:) Luckily Ratner is respectfull to the last two movies unlike Matthew Vaughn who wanted mind wipe all the actors.

[Halcohol]

Yes, but after long hesitation from FOX.Singer would have done both if it was possible.:) Luckily Ratner is respectfull to the last two movies unlike Matthew Vaughn who wanted mind wipe all the actors.
What I don't understand is why it took so long for Fox to get their sh_t together on X3. Why was there nothing happening on it for so long? X2 started pre-vis almost immediately after X-Men, so why the delay between 2 and 3?

[Retroman]

What I don't understand is why it took so long for Fox to get their sh_t together on X3. Why was there nothing happening on it for so long? X2 started pre-vis almost immediately after X-Men, so why the delay between 2 and 3?
Thats the million dollar question.As soon as the rival studio with the rival superhero franchise signed Singer they started the race to be in cinemas before SR.

They hired Kinberg and Penn to write, signed Benioff to do Wolverine and then Sheldon Turner to do Magneto in the space of months.

[Aiden]

I believe OnAMission, because tbh what else have we got to go on? Simon is preparing for his new movie, Zak is hardly ever on. I know there's a history of people like this but we're getting some actual insiders like Kirby&Ditko. We all ldoubted him but he had some great info. I'm gonna believe this guy

[DarknessOfDeath]

im sorry; did I miss something? what do you believe what this guy said about cykes? just curious. I feel like I zoned out. lol :(

[Aiden]

He hasnt said much about Cykes, he's been talking about other characters, mostly Angel, Storm and Iceman

[DarknessOfDeath]

oh...what about Jean? :O

[conan69]

" Yes, but after long hesitation from FOX"

This is why I dont believe all the hype about Fox loving Xmen as its current franchise. After X2 they should have signed Singer for X3and started working in it.

Look at the way Spiderman has been handled. Spiderman 2 was only in the theaters a few months when it was announced that Raimi already had a breakdown/rough synopsis for Spidey 3.

As soon as they decided to go ahead with a sequel to Batman Begins, they started working on it. Even though Nolan and Bale are working on another project before they get to the sequel they continue to work on BBs sequel as well.

[The Batman]

Its like i've said...they only wanna one up singer because he had to smarts to stop playing their crap games....

[KenK]

It seems so ridiculous, though! The first X-Men was successful, then the X2 has a monster opening weekend around the world, and got a lot more critical acclaim the second time around. Why would they not want to keep things going? It's baffling that a movie studio would try to torpedo their most successful franchice in over a decade!! You'd think after X-men made 85 million stateside alone, Fox would have been begging Singer and giving him whatever he wanted to continue.

[taintedFB]

I don't think FOX is a bad studio to work for. I think the real issue here has been scheduling such a large cast with big names. I remember reading early on that Halle and Hugh were booked for at least a couple of years after X2 and that alone would cause the delay. And most of the cast had 2 picture deals so contracts had to be negotiated. PLus, I'm sure many wanted to see a script before signing on... Things could have been underway long ago, but its a lot of behind the scenes negotiations, planning, and coordination between several parties.

I would actually say that FOX is my favorite studio and has produced most of my favorite movies. So I won't bash them. And BTW, we all knew that Bryan wanted to do Logan's Run before X3, so he was also a factor in the delay, because he wanted to go back to his smaller movie roots in between Xmen movies.

[The Batman]

Fox isnt known for their intelligence. This is the same company that micrmanages their movies to pure crap. Even after X1 was a hit, X2 had a cheap budget. Spiderman 2, a movie with only two guys with powers, cost more than x2, a movie where pretty much every main character has a power.

[WorthyStevens]

Fox isnt known for their intelligence. This is the same company that micrmanages their movies to pure crap. Even after X1 was a hit, X2 had a cheap budget. Spiderman 2, a movie with only two guys with powers, cost more than x2, a movie where pretty much every main character has a power.

I just wanted to bold that out. I mean, Big Momma's House 2? Yeesh.

[Octoberist]

" Yes, but after long hesitation from FOX"

This is why I dont believe all the hype about Fox loving Xmen as its current franchise. After X2 they should have signed Singer for X3and started working in it.

Look at the way Spiderman has been handled. Spiderman 2 was only in the theaters a few months when it was announced that Raimi already had a breakdown/rough synopsis for Spidey 3.

As soon as they decided to go ahead with a sequel to Batman Begins, they started working on it. Even though Nolan and Bale are working on another project before they get to the sequel they continue to work on BBs sequel as well.

I don't know either. Funny, even when the X2 DVD was released, I remembered Singer kept saying that IF there was an X3 he would do this and that. IF. As in, he wasn't so sure.

Everything with X3 was in uncertainty was Singer was still aboard and I felt like Fox took it for granted, until Singer left Fox for Superman/Warner Bros.

I just didn't understand. Honestly, my friend as worked as an intern over at both Fox and Warner Bros....he hated Fox. Said that they don't know what they're doing. I mean, if you think about it, Fox doesn't have anything (so far) besides X-Men. Star Wars is gone (and was all Lucas). Ummm.

[mustanger405]

I have recently been accepting the fact that Cyclops dies for sure in this movie. 95 percent sure at least. Also, I have been keeping up with this board for a while now and substantial evidence leans towards his fate. I had alot of hope but that hope is leaving me lol This new quote just adds to my doubts
I don't think he's less important, but things happen in this movie that shift the focus. It's not like we kick Cyclops to the side. However, some shocking events do take place - but they make sense plotwise."
I mean come on....Shocking events.....aka Cyclop's death by jean's hands. But dont worry Cyke fans, I am positive they will at least make reference to his return for furture movies. I am just not sure if he will actually come back in the flesh. I really hope he does. Also, it has been stated that wolverine is forced to become leader in this movie. I mean it just all makes sense he will die. I mean Wolverine finding his glasses at the beach is also a dead give away. Hopefully something happens like a twist to bring him back at the end but I AM not even sure if they will make him return in the flesh. I am positive though that they will make reference to his return sort of in the same fasion as how u knew Jean was coming back at the end of X2

On a brighter note...You can play as Cyke in "Xmen 3 the game" for mobile phones. Is this how they pay off the devoted cyclops fans? By putting him in a insignificant mobile cell phone game. I hope he comes back in the flesh in the Last Stand and they dont just make reference that he could come back. We will just have to wait and see.

Here is the article about the game:
X-Men III movie game goes mobile
Marvel superheroes return for a third crack at mobile game stardom




What's this? (http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/whatsthis.asp?sec=)





You won't be able to escape the X-Men this summer, what with the upcoming X-Men III movie and all manner of tie-ins.

One thing worth looking forward to, though, is the mobile game, sensibly titled X-Men III.

Characters you can play in X-Men III include Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Iceman. On certain handsets, you'll also get to play as Cyclops and Magneto.

Each character has their own special moves – close-combat for Wolverine, teleportation for Nightcrawler, freezing for Iceman and so on. Another key feature is character development; you upgrade the X-Men's powers as you progress through the game's eight different stages.

Enemies include Pyro, Lady Deathstrike, Silver Samurai and Master Mold – and no, we didn't make that last one up.

The storyline has been written by movie scriptwriter Chris Claremont. Intriguingly, it's set before and after the movie, rather than trying to replicate its plot

[Angry Sentinel]

Its like i've said...they only wanna one up singer because he had to smarts to stop playing their crap games.... Maybe the crap game was to get rid of Singer without going through the hassle of firing him, Most of us look at their actions as vindictive, but what if they were of choice happiness? What if they were using an age old tactic of crappy treatment=bye bye old situation, hello new one (every guy should know this one, we do it all the time in relationships)? This way they would be able to save face, and act as if they were the "spurned" one.


It seems so ridiculous, though! The first X-Men was successful, then the X2 has a monster opening weekend around the world, and got a lot more critical acclaim the second time around. Why would they not want to keep things going? It's baffling that a movie studio would try to torpedo their most successful franchice in over a decade!!
Uum I believe the old saying goes... "crazy like a FOX". Maybe their intentions weren't to torpedo the franchise, just cash in on it (so they can start anew, big franchises take big money, and at some point every business man wants to cash out and start his investment anew). From a lot of what I have read it looks like Singer was getting ready to launch this franchise into an ongoing thing. He was probably going to continue with the same style he had already established (style/ content over action/ splashy). This had been successful, but not as successful (financially) as Spiderman's heavy handed spectacular. FOX saw this and wants to get their peice of the bounty. And what better project than Xmen? After the success of the first two, the movie masses would go see this thing even if EVERY bit of indication pointed to it being crap. So throw in the promise of Super Kinetic Epic, and now we're talking Spidey dollars... It's all business people, we've seen it a hundred times if we've seen it once.


And just so we're clear... in no way am I saying any of this in support of the concept. I feel cheated just like any one else (if it's true). But I know wholeheartedly that this is how business works, and I have no doubts that it's all very possible in this case.

[WorthyStevens]

You can play as Cyke in "Xmen 3 the game" for mobile phones.

I'm really pissed about that. What's so damn hard about putting him in for the consoles too? :mad: :rolleyes:

[Octoberist]

I guess Cyclops is not good enough for Console systems.. :(

[WorthyStevens]

This reminds me of X-Men Legends 2. They made X-Man and Cannonball playable exclusively for the PSP, another handheld system. And that pissed me off even more.

[taintedFB]

HOnestly, I think this movie is going to make a lot more money than the last two and maybe seriously give Superman a run for its money. So far Superman has been very UNDERwhelming, like they are self aware of "look, I'm an icon" kind of way. X-Men will be a much more epic movie.

The truth is WB offerred Singer more money. He had a deal with 20th Century Fox that was nearing its end and WB threw all this cash at him and he took it. Now he has a deal at WB. Even BAD HAT HARRY PRODUCTIONS, his company has closed up shop at Fox and probably opened up offices on the WB lot.

At the end of the day, I think Bryan chose Superman and money over X-men. Besides, I don't think Fox micromanaged X-men as much as you think except in terms of budget, which you have to keep track of... You have Lauren Shuller Donner, Ralph Winter, Avi Arad, MARVEL, and Bryan and his team. It's always a collaboration.

BTW, still believe Cyclops will survive after being gone for most of the action...

[Halcohol]

It'd be kind of funny if, at the end of the movie, everyone's dead and all of a sudden Cyclops comes strolling around the corner... "Where'd everyone go?"

[Octoberist]

IMO, I think that Superman Returns and X3 both have their share of issues, though mostly from the hardcore obsessive fans.

THe bottom line is this: If X3 fails, it's due to studio control. If Superman fails, it's due to creative control...

[grey_jeanie]

I'm not sure about that. I depends what route they take with the plot of X3 before we can say it's down to the production. I mean, if Cyclops dies, his fans are going to say it was a creative problem.

[Maze]

HOnestly, I think this movie is going to make a lot more money than the last two and maybe seriously give Superman a run for its money. So far Superman has been very UNDERwhelming, like they are self aware of "look, I'm an icon" kind of way. X-Men will be a much more epic movie.

The truth is WB offerred Singer more money. He had a deal with 20th Century Fox that was nearing its end and WB threw all this cash at him and he took it. Now he has a deal at WB. Even BAD HAT HARRY PRODUCTIONS, his company has closed up shop at Fox and probably opened up offices on the WB lot.

At the end of the day, I think Bryan chose Superman and money over X-men. Besides, I don't think Fox micromanaged X-men as much as you think except in terms of budget which you have to keep track of,... You have Lauren Shuller Donner, Ralph Winter, Avi Arad, MARVEL, and Bryan and his team. It's always a collaboration.

Yes, but not so much with X3 , funny isn't it?

Singer left for money , yes , but for the money to do the kind of movie that he dreamt when he was a kid..

Some Years Ago when X1 was in production Cronenberg heavily criticised Singer for having sold his soul ( that was not his exact words now) Singer replied that you can't do "Ben hur" for little money , and that it is the kind of movie he wants to do..

ps: What i've seen from Superman doesn't look underwhelming and from what i hear whe haven't seen nothing yet..

we still don't know if X3 will the most epic of the two movies ..and you know what? i don't care..i hope that the two movies will be epic ,and especially great.. i love movies period.

[conan69]

I think Singer took Superman because it was less headaches dealing with Fox and once the option for Superman came along, he had a great option and opportunity not to have to deal with it.

"Honestly, I think this movie is going to make a lot more money than the last two and maybe seriously give Superman a run for its money."

Id be very suprised if that happens. It may look underwhelming to you and I who have been keeping track of the film for the past few years, but for average joe out there - its a new Superman movie by the guy who did the first 2 X-men movies. IMHO alot of the older nostalgic crowd, who go to Spiderman twice will be the same audience for this film. I even saw a front page story in my local paper about Superman with Routh plastered on the front cover. Ive personally noticed at least 3 or 4 articles for the upcoming Superman film in my newspaper. Superman is a icon.

If SR gets good reviews or word of mouth, forgetaboutit!

[grey_jeanie]

I think they'll both be epic and this is going to be an AMAZING year for movies. Period.

[taintedFB]

Both movies will be great, I agree. And I will definitely see both.

Isn't is funny that X2 and MI II came out in the same month, and now X3 and MI III are coming out near each other.

This is going to be an awesome year for movies.

But regarding Cyclops, I doubt the studio would dictate something like KILL Him. I think they all want the best movie they can make and I think its a matter of he's not available so do what you can with the time you've got. I would see them more saying "More Wolverine" not "Kill Cyke".

From all accounts Jimmy is a great guy and loved on set.

Still think the shocking events could be Xavier dying or Phoenix destroying herself with the brotherhood and Magneto.

[grey_jeanie]

Both movies will be great, I agree. And I will definitely see both.

Isn't is funny that X2 and MI II came out in the same month, and now X3 and MI III are coming out near each other.

This is going to be an awesome year for movies.

But regarding Cyclops, I doubt the studio would dictate something like KILL Him. I think they all want the best movie they can make and I think its a matter of he's not available so do what you can with the time you've got. I would see them more saying "More Wolverine" not "Kill Cyke".

From all accounts Jimmy is a great guy and loved on set.

Still think the shocking events could be Xavier dying or Phoenix destroying herself with the brotherhood and Magneto.

I think you're right. I still seriously doubt Cyclops is going to die. I think it's all hype - like the Jean blindness thing - and it's doing the job if they are trying to fuel our interest and excitement with the pictures we've seen and the AICN script.

[taintedFB]

Exactly Grey Jeannie, If he were dying, that would be too big an event to blatantly reveal in the trailers. I think they're showing us bits and pieces to feul the hype and keep us guessing.

[grey_jeanie]

Exactly Grey Jeannie, If he were dying, that would be too big an event to blatantly reveal in the trailers. I think they're showing us bits and pieces to feul the hype and keep us guessing.

It's sort of fun entering into the spirit of it. "Will he die?" "Won't he die?" "OMH that would be terrible" etc etc but at the end of the day I don't believe they will kill him off. It's to put us off the scent and to generate interest and they are doing that very well.

[Halcohol]

It's sort of fun entering into the spirit of it. "Will he die?" "Won't he die?" "OMH that would be terrible" etc etc but at the end of the day I don't believe they will kill him off. It's to put us off the scent and to generate interest and they are doing that very well.
346 pages of this thread can't be wrong.

[grey_jeanie]

346 pages of this thread can't be wrong.

What are you saying. You think he will or won't die?

[taintedFB]

346 pages and nobody has seen the final cut or read the final script. We're all guessing and speculating.

[taintedFB]

I am really glad we Cyclops fans aren't the minority. Look at how fast and long this thread continues to grow.

[Halcohol]

What are you saying. You think he will or won't die?
Right now I don't know what to think. I hope he doesn't, because if he does, they'll have to use some corny bit of movie magic to bring him back to life at the end. I can't see Phoenix's story ending without Scott.

All I meant by the 346 pages was it's the same discussion over and over... but it's fun :D

[taintedFB]

It is fun. It's like exercise for the brain. LOL

[jcykeson]

yeah, i think we're one of the highest reply by posters in this board. And it all began by Octoberist. ..That just shows our passion for Cyclops ain't it?

Cyclops, tremendously loved by his fans...

[Bastila]

Does anyone truly believe he'll live?, I do i think its just a bit tease really and plus him and Jean are my fave X-men so i don't want them to kill him off just because his not as big as Logan or somthing.

[Aiden]

I do

[PikaZeroX]

I've come to the conclusion that Cyclops lives, 100% no doubt in my mind.

Especially with the recent interview with Brett; He goes ahead and spills the beans on Sentinels but the fate of Cyclops is the big mystery spoiler that he can't possibly reveal?

This all goes back to the AICN script review, and Fox knows how the majority felt about the "deaths". Fox has been playing it up as "We have changed a lot of things" yet in the trailers showing us the entire opposite.

I believe things were indeed changed, and the mystery aspect of character fates is a big marketing strategy. I gaurantee that if the AICN script review hadn't existed, the trailers out today would not be showing empty wheelchairs and floating ruby shades.

They're playing on our emotions, and are awaiting at the exit of your theater on May 26th holding a big sign saying "Gotcha!"

I also think that shot in Alcatraz with potential Cyclops in the background is great evidence, especially since it was pulled. Don't want to ruin the marketing strategy.

[grey_jeanie]

Does anyone truly believe he'll live?, I do i think its just a bit tease really and plus him and Jean are my fave X-men so i don't want them to kill him off just because his not as big as Logan or somthing.

I believe he'll live.


I do


Smooth... This is thread is full of Cyclops fans so why would you say that!

[Aiden]

The thing is, we never got to see Act 3 in that Script review. Anything could have happened. Jean took him apart. She could've put him together again.

I've been saying it for months :p

[Maze]

Does anyone truly believe he'll live?, I do i think its just a bit tease really and plus him and Jean are my fave X-men so i don't want them to kill him off just because his not as big as Logan or somthing.
I believed for month that he was going to die..

Not anymore.

Pirate is right imo , that is a big marketing strategy ;)

[Storm22]

They're playing on our emotions, and are awaiting at the exit of your theater on May 26th holding a big sign saying "Gotcha!"


Well, if this does indeed happen it'll be one of the biggest and best "Gotchas" I've experienced!!

[Bastila]

You know its to see over people think he will live people i know are just like 'his going to die cause he sucks', which is annoying but its good to see people supporting Cyke!

[JustABill]

I think what the writers are doing to us deserves a poke-*****slap!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/622/186091320m0vl7ca.gif

[grey_jeanie]

I believed for month that he was going to die..

Not anymore.

Pirate is right imo , that is a big marketing strategy ;)

*cough* I was saying that too :) I'm a genius mastermind

[lordofthenerds]

How can people be 100% sure that he doesn't die? Everythings still pointing to his death. I mean being positive is one thing, but kidding yourself is another.

[grey_jeanie]

How can people be 100% sure that he doesn't die? Everythings still pointing to his death. I mean being positive is one thing, but kidding yourself is another.

Just like you say, everything points to his death. It almost seems too obvious for a spoiler as big as that. No one can be 100% sure but the people that think he will live are going with the odds on the basis that all this is probably all media hype to put us of the scent of the real suprise.

[taintedFB]

That's just it. Everything is too obviously pointing to it, that something's up. If killing off the X-men leader were true, they would not give it away from the first teaser!

[tonytr1687]

Well if it turns out that he dies then I think we can all say that Fox are idiots and/or naive when it comes to revealing spoilers in the trailers (Cyke getting blown back, his floating glasses etc). And I just cant believe that they'd be that stupid...

[lordofthenerds]

Just like you say, everything points to his death. It almost seems too obvious for a spoiler as big as that. No one can be 100% sure but the people that think he will live are going with the odds on the basis that all this is probably all media hype to put us of the scent of the real suprise.
Well, not everything. Remeber that pic of Cyke in uniform from Empire? Besides, Kinberg has already warned us that he didn't mean Cyclops when he mentioned that there will be some plot twists.

[Aiden]

Well if it turns out that he dies then I think we can all say that Fox are idiots and/or naive when it comes to revealing spoilers in the trailers (Cyke getting blown back, his floating glasses etc). And I just cant believe that they'd be that stupid...I can

[grey_jeanie]

It just adds to the speculation as well. It would be no fun if everyone thought the same thing ;)

[tonytr1687]

Well, not everything. Remeber that pic of Cyke in uniform from Empire? Besides, Kinberg has already warned us that he didn't mean Cyclops when he mentioned that there will be some plot twists.

Yeah but then again he also said "not all the fates are what they appear." The only fates that "appeared" in the trailer are Xavier, Cyclops, and Mystique. And I firmly believe that Xavier dies and Mystique is cured (highly doubt they'll make the cure temporary b/c that would defeat the whole message of the movie)...so that leaves Cyclops.

[grey_jeanie]

I can

lol I adore your little controversial, 2-word responses. Gold!

[lordofthenerds]

Well if it turns out that he dies then I think we can all say that Fox are idiots and/or naive when it comes to revealing spoilers in the trailers (Cyke getting blown back, his floating glasses etc). And I just cant believe that they'd be that stupid...
To me it seems that they revealed many spoilers in the trailer, not just Cyclops. It is kind of stupid, but not that weird to reveal that many spoilers from the movie. Just look at the names trailer from X2.

[Aiden]

IMO Xavier, Magneto and Mystique are the only deaths that "will" happen. The rest, I dont know.

[grey_jeanie]

IMO Xavier, Magneto and Mystique are the only deaths that "will" happen. The rest, I dont know.

Mystique? You think she will die, not just get cured?

[lordofthenerds]

IMO Xavier, Magneto and Mystique are the only deaths that "will" happen. The rest, I dont know.
Yet Mystique and Xavier have about the same amount of evidence of dying as Cyclops and people aren't saying that Fox is trying to trick us on them. Doesn't this whle trick and surprise thing sound like a bad excuse for anyone else?

[Storm22]

^Good point.

[lordofthenerds]

Mystique? You think she will die, not just get cured?
Well she's missing from nearly all the brotherhood scenes in the trailers and when we do see her cured body form the trailer its falling to the floor and her eyes are drooping. Not to mention that the AICN draft said that she would be cured just as it appears so, and it said that she'd die as well.

[grey_jeanie]

Yet Mystique and Xavier have about the same amount of evidence of dying as Cyclops and people aren't saying that Fox is trying to trick us on them. Doesn't this whle trick and surprise thing sound like a bad excuse for anyone else?

I would say they have the same amount of hype for the others. There is so much more for Cyclops. The script, pictures, trailers, outside sources about Jimmy's other commitments etc. It not an excuse - it's a speculation. You could say that interpreting the trailers and pictures as some people are is an excuse for saying that he will die.

[xwolverine2]

so is there a chance cyclops lives now?...(refering to the change in the third act)

[grey_jeanie]

What happened in the third act then?

[lordofthenerds]

I would say they have the same amount of hype for the others. There is so much more for Cyclops. The script, pictures, trailers, outside sources about Jimmy's other commitments etc. It not an excuse - it's a speculation.
The AICN draft said that Mystique, Xavier, and Magneto would all die along with Cyclops. As far as pics go we have merely seen Mystique in a truck and an interrogation room. Xavier is rumored to die much later than the other 2 so it would make since for there to be more pics of him. The trailer hints Mystique and Xavier's deaths just as much as it does Cyclops's if not more. The interviews with Ratner and Kinberg and junk just sound as though he dies more than others because nobody is asking about Xavier's or Mystique's death, but constatntly asking about Cyke.

You could say that interpreting the trailers and pictures as some people are is an excuse for saying that he will die.
That makes no sense whatsoever. We specualte thingsfrom trailers and pics. Nothing backs up that Fox is trying to trick us, but people's creative minds. The trailers, movie stills, and even the illegal pics are backing up Cyke's death. There's a difference between excuse and specualtion.

[grey_jeanie]

The AICN draft said that Mystique, Xavier, and Magneto would all die along with Cyclops. As far as pics go we have merely seen Mystique in a truck and an interrogation room. Xavier is rumored to die much later than the other 2 so it would make since for there to be more pics of him. The trailer hints Mystique and Xavier's deaths just as much as it does Cyclops's if not more. The interviews with Ratner and Kinberg and junk just sound as though he dies more than others because nobody is asking about Xavier's or Mystique's death, but constatntly asking about Cyke.


That makes no sense whatsoever. We specualte thingsfrom trailers and pics. Nothing backs up that Fox is trying to trick us, but people's creative minds. The trailers, movie stills, and even the illegal pics are backing up Cyke's death. There's a difference between excuse and specualtion.

You're right. I'm too tired to argue. What I said before didn't make much sense but I still think there is more hype over Cyclop's death.

[Aiden]

Mystique? You think she will die, not just get cured?Yeah, thats what I meant.

Yet Mystique and Xavier have about the same amount of evidence of dying as Cyclops and people aren't saying that Fox is trying to trick us on them. Doesn't this whle trick and surprise thing sound like a bad excuse for anyone else?I feel like those people have to die for the movie to move forward. Mystique being cured causes Magneto to go mental etc. Whereas in Cyclops' case, it should be his time to step up and lead his team against the opression facing mutants and the fight against the Brotherhood. Leading the stand so to speak

[taintedFB]

Still believe he lives. And Mystique was only shown in human form, doesn't mean she dies. Also, that could just be a shapeshift. We see her smiling while captured, like she purposely got caught to find out the source of the cure. Don't forget that the trailer puts shots out of sequence.

I think Xavier's and Magneto's death make sense because it concludes this trilogy. But Cyclops is needed to complete his arc from X1, taking care of the team after Charles is gone.

It just doesn't make sense to kill him

And FoX did fool us before with Jean in X2, so its not unheard of...

There are still a lot of surprises we don't know about and they don't necessarily mean plot twists, just things we haven't heard or seen in the trailers like Scott's other scenes. We already know he has at least one scene in the mansion (never shown in trailer) so there could be more.

Again, all speculation

[DarknessOfDeath]

Im not sure what to believe. I'm just gonna go in there with low standards. -shrugs- So yeah...I think i'll go down that route...again.

[jusblaze21]

What happened in the third act then?

We don't know, if the third act was in the leaked script, this quote would mean alot more to me.

[taintedFB]

True. Everyone is forgetting that even the early leakes script treatment never had the third act. So the truth is maybe even in that draft he never DIED died. Things aren't always what they seem.

Again it's too obviously given away to be true. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at the end of this movie.

[CapBeerCino]

Yet Mystique and Xavier have about the same amount of evidence of dying as Cyclops

No they dont.

[SlimDayspring]

Uncanny X-Men 175, aka "Cyclops PWNS the X-Men"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/notanumber/CykeUncanny175-pg17.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/notanumber/CykeUncanny175-pg24.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/notanumber/CykeUncanny175-pg25.jpg

[SlimDayspring]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/notanumber/CykeUncanny175-pg26.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/notanumber/CykeUncanny175-pg27.jpg

[lordofthenerds]

No they dont.
For some reason I think that 2 poeple mourning in front of an empty Xavier wheelchair after we saw Xavier getting beat by Phoenix hints just as much as a floating pair of sun glasses.

[CapBeerCino]

For some reason I think that 2 poeple mourning in front of an empty Xavier wheelchair after we saw Xavier getting beat by Phoenix hints just as much as a floating pair of sun glasses.

What are you talikng about?

[Storm22]

Storm and Wolverine, from the trailer.

[lordofthenerds]

What are you talikng about?
Storm and Wolverine... in the second trailer.:o

[taintedFB]

We still don't know what powers Phoenix will have so we really have no idea if any of these people actually die.

[tonytr1687]

Still believe he lives. And Mystique was only shown in human form, doesn't mean she dies. Also, that could just be a shapeshift. We see her smiling while captured, like she purposely got caught to find out the source of the cure. Don't forget that the trailer puts shots out of sequence.

I think Xavier's and Magneto's death make sense because it concludes this trilogy. But Cyclops is needed to complete his arc from X1, taking care of the team after Charles is gone.

It just doesn't make sense to kill him

And FoX did fool us before with Jean in X2, so its not unheard of...

There are still a lot of surprises we don't know about and they don't necessarily mean plot twists, just things we haven't heard or seen in the trailers like Scott's other scenes. We already know he has at least one scene in the mansion (never shown in trailer) so there could be more.

Again, all speculation

The scene you talk of where Mystique is smiling in her prison is at the beginning of the film b/c its obvious the prison she is in is the truck convoy. So I think she purposely gets captured at the beginning so she can find out about the cure (although wouldnt it just be easier to disguise herself as Senator Kelly or something?), and then is freed by Magneto. Then later on she is captured again but not on purpose (scene in the trailer where soldiers are moving through a forest) and after that is when she is interrogated and cured. Thats what I think...

[tonytr1687]

What are you talikng about?

You actually missed the shot in the 2nd trailer where Logan and Storm are crying next to Xavier's empty wheelchair? The scene in Jean's childhood home?

[lordofthenerds]

We still don't know what powers Phoenix will have so we really have no idea if any of these people actually die.
We know that she can telenetically move things with ease. And possibly she uses the phoenix force and it wouldn't really change anything if we didn't have any idea.

[taintedFB]

Well if she can't demolecularize someone, than that effects what people think happens to Scott and Xavier.

If Phoenix has the power to create life, than it is possible to bring people who were recently killed back to life.

In any event, I'm still thinking He lives. And we still don't know what role the bartender from X1 has. The fact that its been called a spoiler is definitely interesting. For such an insignificant role to be a spoiler suggests something.

I'm starting to think he finds Scott and takes him in or turns him over to the authorities when he discovers he's a mutant. So Scott's return won't be a twist because we know he's alive, its just Jean and the X-Men think he's gone.

[PhoenixFire]

And we still don't know what role the bartender from X1 has. The fact that its been called a spoiler is definitely interesting. For such an insignificant role to be a spoiler suggests something.
Sinister/Apocalypse/Stryfe/Cable mayhem! ;)

[lordofthenerds]

Well if she can't demolecularize someone, than that effects what people think happens to Scott and Xavier.

If Phoenix has the power to create life, than it is possible to bring people who were recently killed back to life.

In any event, I'm still thinking He lives. And we still don't know what role the bartender from X1 has. The fact that its been called a spoiler is definitely interesting. For such an insignificant role to be a spoiler suggests something.

I'm starting to think he finds Scott and takes him in or turns him over to the authorities when he discovers he's a mutant. So Scott's return won't be a twist because we know he's alive, its just Jean and the X-Men think he's gone.
Well the AICN draft did say that she can demolecularize people, and the trailers hint just the same. Didn't Lennox say that his role would be a cameo near the end of the movie?

[Aiden]

Well if she can't demolecularize someone, than that effects what people think happens to Scott and Xavier.

If Phoenix has the power to create life, than it is possible to bring people who were recently killed back to life.

In any event, I'm still thinking He lives. And we still don't know what role the bartender from X1 has. The fact that its been called a spoiler is definitely interesting. For such an insignificant role to be a spoiler suggests something.

I'm starting to think he finds Scott and takes him in or turns him over to the authorities when he discovers he's a mutant. So Scott's return won't be a twist because we know he's alive, its just Jean and the X-Men think he's gone.Doug Lennox said his scene was with Wolverine near the end of the movie. The casting sheet he put on his website didn't have James' name on it sadly

[AcidTWister]

We know that she can telenetically move things with ease. And possibly she uses the phoenix force and it wouldn't really change anything if we didn't have any idea.

She can also detonate missles without seeing them, and hold back thousands of pounds of pressure of water at the same time as lifting a jet up with her other hand.

I think people may be misunderstanding this whole "demolecularization" thing.

Think of it more like "Jean make Scott go boom". If she can hold back that much water while lifting a jet up... while she's still WEAKENED from the mental blocks... I'm fairly sure blowing up a person (say, by heating up the molecules in their bloodstream by pushing them faster) less than half a foot away from you would be no problem for her.

[terry78]

Demolecularize. I'm still laughing at that, I'm sorry.

[taintedFB]

Thanks. I didn't know Lennox had divulged any additional info.

I still think it would be really untrue to the essence of the PHoenix story if she kills Scott. She didn't kill him in the comics or cartoon. And we know that Jean has an internal conflict throughout the movie, remember how schizo she was in the cartoon. But still, she managed to hold back enough to not kill those she loves. Now Xavier, having discovered his manipulation and mental blocks, she has a motive to lash out against. But not Scott.

Again if it were true it would be one of the most emotional powerful scenes in the movie and wouldn't be revealed so blatantly in promos.

In the end, Scott is needed to end the Phoeniz arc. There's no way around it. If Jean has "wrath of God" like powers, nobody can stop her except herself and nobody would be able to reach her except Scott. (Logan failed in the lab).

I think Scott may have to kill her at the end. Either that or save her.

Maybe they die together at the end. I wouldn't mind that, but if it happens than there shouldn't be any more sequels.

[gap5ewl]

i found this question on xverse interesting..

#6 Ok one more lol Have u ever felt such a strong devotion to a character like I do to Cyclops that you would be be as concerned about his fate as we many fans are and if so which character (I mean it could be anyone from a book,comic, film, anything)

*I know you’re concerned. And all I can say is that I’m a fan of Cyclops too. We did all we could do with his character within the confines we were given.

[jusblaze21]

If Cyclops gets Demolecularized, He needs to just stay dead because a Remolecularization would be the worse way to bring somebody back from death IMO.

[AcidTWister]

It doesn't matter if it's unfaithful to the Dark Pheonix story or not. This is a different universe. If everything had to be the same as the comics or the animated shows, Mystique would've recognized Nightcrawler AND rogue; Wolverine would've recognized Yuriko and there would've been SOME kind of backstory there; mastermind wouldn't have been Stryker Jr. strapped to a wheelchair forced to do daddy's bidding; collossus wouldn't be bisexual; Bolivar Trask wasn't black; Psylocke wasn't a part of the Brotherhood; You've got Morlocks fighting Morlocks in X3 (Callisto vs Storm anyone? She was the leader at one point in time after all).

This is a new universe. Scott can die, Jean can kill him. I personally have a feeling he won't die, but you have to be opn minded about it enough to realize that he CAN die.

As far as an ending not relating to Scott: You've got a mutant who can turn Mystique into a normal human. Why wouldn't he be able to rip Pheonix's powers out of her?

[Aiden]

Demolecularize. I'm still laughing at that, I'm sorry.Who doesn't?

[CapBeerCino]

Storm and Wolverine... in the second trailer.:o

You leave me no choise but to watch it again...

[Kurosawa]

It doesn't matter if it's unfaithful to the Dark Pheonix story or not. This is a different universe. If everything had to be the same as the comics or the animated shows, Mystique would've recognized Nightcrawler AND rogue; Wolverine would've recognized Yuriko and there would've been SOME kind of backstory there; mastermind wouldn't have been Stryker Jr. strapped to a wheelchair forced to do daddy's bidding; collossus wouldn't be bisexual; Bolivar Trask wasn't black; Psylocke wasn't a part of the Brotherhood; You've got Morlocks fighting Morlocks in X3 (Callisto vs Storm anyone? She was the leader at one point in time after all).

This is a new universe. Scott can die, Jean can kill him. I personally have a feeling he won't die, but you have to be opn minded about it enough to realize that he CAN die.

As far as an ending not relating to Scott: You've got a mutant who can turn Mystique into a normal human. Why wouldn't he be able to rip Pheonix's powers out of her?


Yep. It's a new universe. One that sucks, IMO. The bad thing is that the average person will now think that Cyclops dies right as she becomes Phoenix and it's f'n Wolverine (yeech) that saves her (one way or another) at the end.

It's the biggest slap in the face to the Cyclops character and his fans that they could have possibly come up with. I don't give a damn how much they've pushed Wolverine in the movies. All that are responsable can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[PWN3R]

Yep. It's a new universe. One that sucks, IMO. The bad thing is that the average person will now think that Cyclops dies right as she becomes Phoenix and it's f'n Wolverine (yeech) that saves her (one way or another) at the end.

I feel your anger on that one. I hate that. :o :( :mad:

[CapBeerCino]

You leave me no choise but to watch it again...

And find nothing. What were you talking about LotN?

[AcidTWister]

Yep. It's a new universe. One that sucks, IMO. The bad thing is that the average person will now think that Cyclops dies right as she becomes Phoenix and it's f'n Wolverine (yeech) that saves her (one way or another) at the end.

It's the biggest slap in the face to the Cyclops character and his fans that they could have possibly come up with. I don't give a damn how much they've pushed Wolverine in the movies. All that are responsable can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

Noone said she gets saved either. There's always the posibility that either A.) Leech rips her powers from her and she goes from pheonix back to mild mannered politician Jean Grey. or B.) In an attempt to fight leech's ability she ends up killing leech and herself in an explosion of her power. The second one would be a much harder even to explain (at least in my mind but there's always the possibility that Jean and Scott both die in the movie, and that COULD be why the third act is held so secretly.

[CapBeerCino]

You actually missed the shot in the 2nd trailer where Logan and Storm are crying next to Xavier's empty wheelchair? The scene in Jean's childhood home?

Am I blind? I watched it 3 times in a row now... Maybe I got a different trailer :confused:

[AcidTWister]

And find nothing. What were you talking about LotN?

They removed the scene in question the day after the trailer originally aired, so unless you find an unaltered version of the trailer (I think there's a few floating around somewhere) you missed out on it.

[Maze]

And find nothing. What were you talking about LotN?

They changed that part of the trailer soon after it premiered..but there is photo evidence :D ;) (And lot of people who have it on their hardrive :D)

[MoiBijou]

And find nothing. What were you talking about LotN?

It was a scene that was deleted a couple of hours after the trailer hit the Internet: half-destroyed room in Grey's house, empty Prof's wheelchair, Logan kneeled in front of the wheelchair and Storm embracing him.

[CapBeerCino]

They removed the scene in question the day after the trailer originally aired, so unless you find an unaltered version of the trailer (I think there's a few floating around somewhere) you missed out on it.

:eek: Damn!
But how silly of them to put that scene in the trailer... Why not roll the credits while theyre at it?

[grey_jeanie]

They removed the scene in question the day after the trailer originally aired, so unless you find an unaltered version of the trailer (I think there's a few floating around somewhere) you missed out on it.

Did they? Really? Cheeky buggers

[Aiden]

Am I blind? I watched it 3 times in a row now... Maybe I got a different trailer :confused:Yes, you dont have the original. FOX changed it because the FX weren't finished. Whatever they were.

They changed that part of the trailer soon after it premiered..but there is photo evidence :D ;) (And a lot of people who have it on their hardrive :D)Like me

[The Batman]

X-Men TAS was a different universe as well...and they were still pretty damn faithful to the comics. Its no excuse, and it never will be, no matter how hard people may try

[CapBeerCino]

Edit.

[Maze]

:eek: Damn!
But how silly of them to put that scene in the trailer... Why not roll the credits while theyre at it?

Well i will say "are people sure that they saw what they saw"?

i mean , i think there is a strong possibility that Xavier will die(the Obi wan hint of Kinberg gave it away imo) , but again, we never know..

[MoiBijou]

:eek: Damn!
But how silly of them to put that scene in the trailer... Why not roll the credits while theyre at it?

:) Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/MoiRaven/751wa.jpg

[Aiden]

http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XW69GXY9BAB53HFN92H1EZG0Q

Here's the original in all it's unedited glory. Don't thank, me thank Roma. She put it up for me yesterday.

[vanillacyke]

pffft that should be Cyclops upset. I hate fox

[Aiden]

pffft that should be Cyclops upset. I hate foxDont get me started...

:D

[grey_jeanie]

I didn't realise they took it out. Now I definitely think Prof X is a gonner!

[Maze]

Now with this kind of line Magneto was wrong so :o :D

[grey_jeanie]

:) Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/MoiRaven/751wa.jpg

That's a very suspicious looking trap-door though isn't it?

[CapBeerCino]

:) Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/MoiRaven/751wa.jpg

:eek: Omg! They should add a spoilr alert to the trailer!
Thanx Moi!

[AcidTWister]

X-Men TAS was a different universe as well...and they were still pretty damn faithful to the comics. Its no excuse, and it never will be, no matter how hard people may try

The thing about it being a different universe, however, is that they don't HAVE to be faithful to the comics, and judging by all those facts that I listed previously... they are straying far, far, far away from the comics.

It's a realistic approach to a mutagenic occurance in humanoids that allows us to evolve into "superhumans" or, homo superior as Magneto put it. In this case, if you look at it like I've seen explained on these boards before, Scott's death COULD be used as a relevant excuse for driving Jean insane.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole team survive. It's one of the few cases where I actually prefer a happy ending. However, if Scott needs to die as a plot device to set forth in motion Jean being driven mad, and doing things she would never do (like supposedly killing certain superiors of hers. She's an ex-politician after all. I think she could easily see the reason for Xavier wanting to keep her powers limited if she was, at all, sane. Its her nature to talk things out, and she was perfectly fine until those mental blocks started to rot. then she lost control of her powers in X2 and all hell breaks loose in X3). I think the death of Scott, if it exists, will not only be one of the most emotional scenes ever seen in a film, but it will also be relevant to the story, and not make the "leader of the team" go out like a chump.

[Maze]

That's a very suspicious looking trap-door though isn't it?
Yup , Xavier could not pass in it ? :confused: :D

Seriously , i don't think anybody cracked that mystery yet? :confused:

[Aiden]

Yup , Xavier could not pass in it ? :confused: :D

Seriously , i don't think anybody cracked that mystery yet? :confused:I've got placement marker :D

[grey_jeanie]

The thing about it being a different universe, however, is that they don't HAVE to be faithful to the comics, and judging by all those facts that I listed previously... they are straying far, far, far away from the comics.

It's a realistic approach to a mutagenic occurance in humanoids that allows us to evolve into "superhumans" or, homo superior as Magneto put it. In this case, if you look at it like I've seen explained on these boards before, Scott's death COULD be used as a relevant excuse for driving Jean insane.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole team survive. It's one of the few cases where I actually prefer a happy ending. However, if Scott needs to die as a plot device to set forth in motion Jean being driven mad, and doing things she would never do (like supposedly killing certain superiors of hers. She's an ex-politician after all. I think she could easily see the reason for Xavier wanting to keep her powers limited if she was, at all, sane. Its her nature to talk things out, and she was perfectly fine until those mental blocks started to rot. then she lost control of her powers in X2 and all hell breaks loose in X3). I think the death of Scott, if it exists, will not only be one of the most emotional scenes ever seen in a film, but it will also be relevant to the story, and not make the "leader of the team" go out like a chump.

I feel the same but I understand that shocks add suprises which gets more viewings.

[CapBeerCino]

http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XW69GXY9BAB53HFN92H1EZG0Q

Here's the original in all it's unedited glory. Don't thank, me thank Roma. She put it up for me yesterday.

:) Thanx and regards to Roma...

[ShadowBoxing]

I should take this time to mention Leech gets a bigger role than Cyclops

[Maze]

Well i saw a lot of placement marker in my life believe me and i never saw one like that.

It looks like some kind of opening to another stair..

[grey_jeanie]

Yup , Xavier could not pass in it ? :confused: :D

Seriously , i don't think anybody cracked that mystery yet? :confused:

He was probably wheeling around very fast, Jean stuck her leg out, the chair tipped up and Xavier slid in!

SOLVED!

[Aiden]

It's a hole in the ground.

We have no idea how it fits into the scene.

My revised theory

[Maze]

He was probably wheeling around very fast, Jean stuck her leg out, the chair tipped up and Xavier slid in!

SOLVED!

Lol!:D

even better than Scott and his democularisation accident by Jean!

this movie is one big SITUATION COMEDY:o :up: :D

[PWN3R]

Its a hole in the ground, I remember someone said they had a camera in there for angle shots.

They took it out, cuz it won't be in the film.

[grey_jeanie]

Lol!:D

even better than Scott and his democularisation accident by Jean!

this movie is one big SITUATION COMEDY:o :up: :D

That's right

[grey_jeanie]

Its a hole in the ground, I remember someone said they had a camera in there for angle shots.

They took it out, cuz it won't be in the film.

What, that scene or the hole?

[Maze]

Its a hole in the ground, I remember someone said they had a camera in there for angle shots.

They took it out, cuz it won't be in the film.
Ok , thanks ;)

(Too bad , i liked Jeannie theory :D )

[grey_jeanie]

Ok , thanks ;)

(Too bad , i liked Jeannie theory :D )

So did I. I thought I had it sussed!

[ShadowBoxing]

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5725/missingpersons6nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[AcidTWister]

I'm more concerned with that giant hole in the THREE walls behind Logan/Storm in that picture, than the tiny one in the ground, myself.

[Phoenix_Rising]

Guys I have this theory, it's a long shot but it makes sense. If you notice in the trailer we see the characters interacting after Cyclops is supposedly killed. Now something's not quite right about the way everyone's going about their business. There is a distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed. Xavier says something woke her which is suspicious because you would have thought they'd worked it out that Cyclops woke her. Anyway what I'm getting at here is there's a distinct sense of mystery surrounding Cyclops' disappearance and I don't believe the writers or Brett would have bothered creating this mystery just to reveal at the end that yeah Cyclops did die, that's just not how movies work. I have a strong suspiscion that Cyclops does disappear but will reappear in Act 3 hence resolving the mystery of his temporary disappearance! :-)

[Maze]

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5725/missingpersons6nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)
lol:D:up:

[SlimDayspring]

Its a hole in the ground, I remember someone said they had a camera in there for angle shots.

They took it out, cuz it won't be in the film.
If the hole were for a camera, maybe they took the shot out so that the post team could fill it in using CGI.

[CapBeerCino]

I should take this time to mention Leech gets a bigger role than Cyclops

The frozen fountain has a bigger role as far as we know, what's your point? :(

[grey_jeanie]

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5725/missingpersons6nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

That's right. He wants SCOTT!

[Maze]

Guys I have this theory, it's a long shot but it makes sense. If you notice in the trailer we see the characters interacting after Cyclops is supposedly killed. Now something's not quite right about the way everyone's going about their business. There is a distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed. Xavier says something woke her which is suspicious because you would have thought they'd worked it out that Cyclops woke her. Anyway I'm getting at here is there's a distinct sense of mystery surrounding Cyclops' disappearance and I don't believe the writers or Brett would have bothered creating this mystery just to reveal at the end that yeah Cyclops did die, that's just not how movies work. I have a strong suspiscion that Cyclops does disappear but will reappear in Act 3 hence resolving the mystery of his temporary disappearance! :-)
Good point ;)

[CapBeerCino]

That's right. He wants SCOTT!

Who does?

[PWN3R]

If the hole were for a camera, maybe they took the shot out so that the post team could fill it in using CGI.

Exactly. The won't be looking at a hole in the film. I remember reading that somewhere, xverse?

Can't remember...

[SlimDayspring]

Seeing as we're sort of getting off topic, for you pleasure...

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8321869&postcount=8672

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8321879&postcount=8673

[grey_jeanie]

Who does?

Xavier down the hole. He says 'Scott???'

[Maze]

Exactly. The won't be looking at a hole in the film. I remember reading that somewhere, xverse?

Can't remember...

Fox erased it from your mind!:eek:

the conspiracy continue :o :mad:

[Aiden]

If the hole were for a camera, maybe they took the shot out so that the post team could fill it in using CGI.Therefore FOX's answer about unfinished CGI. CRACKED!!!!:up:

[AcidTWister]

Guys I have this theory, it's a long shot but it makes sense. If you notice in the trailer we see the characters interacting after Cyclops is supposedly killed. Now something's not quite right about the way everyone's going about their business. There is a distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed. Xavier says something woke her which is suspicious because you would have thought they'd worked it out that Cyclops woke her. Anyway what I'm getting at here is there's a distinct sense of mystery surrounding Cyclops' disappearance and I don't believe the writers or Brett would have bothered creating this mystery just to reveal at the end that yeah Cyclops did die, that's just not how movies work. I have a strong suspiscion that Cyclops does disappear but will reappear in Act 3 hence resolving the mystery of his temporary disappearance! :-)

Could the distinct lack of grief possibly be caused by the fact that they just found the unconscious, but live, body, of someone they previously thought had died lying next to Cyclops?

[ShadowBoxing]

Good point ;)Yeah I noticed that...I don't think they see Cyclops die, disappear

[Phoenix_Rising]

Yes but that still doesn't explain the mystery surrounding his disappearance as Magneto stated in X1, 'Are you sure you saw what you saw?' ;-)

[Maze]

Could the distinct lack of grief possibly be caused by the fact that they just found the unconscious, but live, body, of someone they previously thought had died lying next to Cyclops?
Well , i dunno about you , and maybe it's me ,but i just imagined that if i would retrieve somebody i thought was dead , and at the same time lost someone who was in a turmoil, and i would be really affected (i have some gift as an actor :cool:) )

seriously , i don't think that you one be as insensible given those circumstances..

[FieryBalrog]

I should take this time to mention Leech gets a bigger role than Cyclops

Wolverine's hairstyle gets a bigger role than cyclops :(

[Maze]

Edit

[CapBeerCino]

Good point ;)

What? The distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed?
In x-2 he was gone and none of the x-men stop to acknowledge it, care about it, or try to find/ help him.

[AcidTWister]

Well , i dunno about you , and maybe it's me ,but i just imagined that if i would retrieve somebody i thought was dead , and at the same time lost someone who was in a turmoil, and i would be really affected (i have some gift as an actor :cool:) )

seriously , i don't think that you one be as insensible given those circumstances..

My point is that if someone you know died just got resurrected, why grieve over someone that just died? :P

On top of that, the shock on their faces in the scene where they're looking over Jean's body seems like they're a bit preoccupied. There's also the chance that they may not notice Cyclops is missing until AFTER they discover Jean's body. In which case, we have not seen any of those scenes except for the one where Wolverine grabs his visor... where he has a distinct look of shock on his face as though he were thinking "How could this happen?". That, to me, spells internal grieving. Especially considering the two greatly disliked one another.

[ShadowBoxing]

What? The distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed?
In x-2 he was gone and none of the x-men stop to acknowledge it, care about it, or try to find/ help him.Yes they do....I mean thats the whole mission is finding Stryker and the kidnapped mutants

[Maze]

What? The distinct lack of grief over Cyclops being killed?
In x-2 he was gone and none of the x-men stop to acknowledge it, care about it, or try to find/ help him.
In X2 The Xmen were on the run .

[Maze]

Yes they do....I mean thats the whole mission is finding Stryker and the kidnapped mutants
That also.

[PWN3R]

Fox erased it from your mind!:eek:

the conspiracy continue :o :mad:

Seriosuly though, this filmed has been plagued with secrey and rumors and lies. I mean was X2 and X1 like this??

:confused:

[CapBeerCino]

Yes they do....I mean thats the whole mission is finding Stryker and the kidnapped mutants

The kidnapped kids that is. You know Stryker had Scott but they had no way of knowing. Anyway I was waiting for someone to say- where the hell is Cyclops??

[AcidTWister]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/acidtwister/wolvie.jpg

This is the scene I mentione dpreviously. Looks like he's pretty upset to me.