Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[the a1ant]

Very nicely written, GreatWhiteWhale :up:

[fazeforce]

First off - Marsden is a comic/mimic genius. This guy deserves to be a big star.

I would surmise that since Ralph Winters said last week on Xverse that Marsden had finished most of his photography for X3, that it was done over the past month and a half, and it was probably mostly studio stuff - things we haven't gotten any reports on thus far. Superan Returns has just come off of its 5 week break, so that would have given Marsden and Fox a decent amount of time to get through his stuff.

I hope. And so long as it didn't include a death scene, we cool...

[Ions]

So much vague unconfirmed info, I wouldn't bank it as proof of much. We really don't know what will occur. Time on set doesn't equal time on screen. As X-2 proved. James being there for 6 months didn't summon equal screen time as he got in the previous film. Since that isn't a golden rule, the reverse isn't necessarily untrue. I think Scott won't be involved in any of the action, which would greatly reduce the time needed on set. There's still plenty of time for both projects to get more screen time out of him. They can do some pick up shots later on if they wanna give him more screen time(hugely doubtful).

[the a1ant]

Ian Mckellen said he only filmed his scenes for X2 in a matter of a couple weeks (or something like that), so I'm sure they can get Cyke a good role (better than biting the dust at the beginning). X3's scheduling seems to be great, so hopefully they worked it out. And like someone said above, we have no clue what's been filming in studio. James could've taken a couple weeks when Superman had a break to film his role. :confused: Famke's still really a quiet bit of the film, that we don't know much about.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree with GreatWhiteWhale, and I also agree that most of his scenes have probably been in studio.

And it would make sense that he's not Xavier's aid, as, from what it sounds like, part of his role at least is going to be with Phoenix's rising at Alkali Lake.

So, if Cyclops is away from the team to deal with the Phoenix stuff, why would he be with the X-Men to deal with the Brotherhood and all of that?

I have a feeling that Cyclops has a decent role, and even when the script review said he ate it, I never believed he died, and I still don't. I just have a feeling most of his filming was in studio work, dealing with the Phoenix plotline, not with the Brotherhood, and the Cure, and all of that.

However, as GreatWhiteWhale said, there will probably be some kind of final battle at the end that Cyclops is a part of. After all, Winter said "most" of his filming is done, not all. So James still has work to do on this movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is a little confusing for me, it does seem that Marsden will play a decent sized part in Superman Returns, and be sort of a human counterpoint to Superman, but when were the blogs filmed? Do we know for sure?

Also, the alleged fan sighting saying that Jimmy and Famke are hanging out could mean he really is balancing his schedule between the two, or he could just be goofing with his friends Famke and Bryan on a day where he doesn't have to work.

We know that most of his stuff has been wrapped up, this leads me to believe that most of his scenes will be with Jean as we have heard hardly a peep from her aswell.

I'm speculating that , 'most' of his stuff being done means that he may still have to film for some ensemble action at the films climax, having the emotional and minor action scenes with the other characters already wrapped up.

I suspect that Storm and Wolverine will be elevated to Xavier's aides in this film (judging by the HNR pic) which means Cyclops doesn't necessarily have to fulful that role, I suspect he will be 'key' to a few scenes involving Phoenix and the X-Men, but not necessarily Magneto, Worthington, Bill Duke, Moira, Kavita, the Brotherhood.

You have to take into account that ALOT is going into this movie, there are ALOT of characters and plotlines being interwoven into a narrative, this does not mean that Cyclops won't get alot of screentime, it just means that, given the production schedule of the film, time economy is essential. So they will try and wrap up all the scenes where certain characters are involved in certain places and certain times.

Maybe Ratner wanted to wrap up all the Cyclops, phoenix, etc etc heavy stuff early on as there was a lot of SFX and editing to go with those scenes, not because they were killing the character.

We really don't have enough information at this point, there could be a number of things going on. Early script drafts, rumours and conjecture about inter-studio politics and schedulings can give you a speculative information to work with, but when it comes down to it, it is incredibly flimsly information to base an assertion on.

(I know it's your opinion, but it is always best to try and see a rounded perspective first)

I appreciate your objectivity. Well done with this post. :cool::up:

As far as Storm and Logan being Xavier's chief aides now, that doesn't discount Scott's involvement. He may be simply too emotionally distraught to lead the team at this time, and is taking somewhat of a sabbatical to get his mind back together. This is totally understandable and believable.

[CapBeerCino]

I said it before but I really wish they find an excuse ANY excuse to show cyclops visorless in this movie (a dream, a picture, Mystique, AU, ANYTHING)

Im also curious about him and Logan getting along now that Jean is gone and how the rest of the team is taking her 'death'. (That is if they find the time to show that - which i doubt with all the new characters to introduce...)

[Minisinoo]

Yes, I think Singer was trying to immitate Jimmy in the video. Not nearly as well, but then, he's not an actor.

And yes, Jimmy is an excellent mimic and has bang-up comic timing -- something that's actually pretty hard to pull off.

[x-alias]

I'm going to be optimistic and agree that, seeing as Famke HAS been filiming and we haven't heard anything about it, James has probably been working mostly with her. This would be good because we need some intense Jimmy-Famke scenes!

[heck13r]

if cyclops bites it he better be goin down saving the world, eyeblasts a blazing..taking like 20 guys with him.. or im walkin out lol

you know cap wouldnt get the shaft in an avengers movie. i however have heard a lot of rumors that i thought would come to fact that didnt ..so im not goin to write this movie off yet.. i do however kinda hate Arad and think that he dosent know his elbow from his butthole.. so in cases of Marvel comic movies i hold alot of thier fate in the hands of the director.. Raimi knew how he wanted to take spiderman and was able to shake the influence of the producers who wanted like 15 million characters in the story.. from what i hear of the sheer numbers of the x3 characters i dont think ratner was able to do that. so we'll see

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I said it before but I really wish they find an excuse ANY excuse to show cyclops visorless in this movie (a dream, a picture, Mystique, AU, ANYTHING)

Im also curious about him and Logan getting along now that Jean is gone and how the rest of the team is taking her 'death'. (That is if they find the time to show that - which i doubt with all the new characters to introduce...)

There is actually a very famous scene from the phoenix saga where Jean demonstrates her power by having Cyclops take off his visor and the Optic Beams don't hurt her.

It was mimicked in Endsong by Emma (If i remember right) and both times it was shown from the POV of the Phoenix, where you could see Cyclops's full facial features but everything was in red wash.

(There was a similar scene in the phenomenally early script draft, where Jean takes off his visor and shows her power, except uhh... it ends different than it does in the comics :().

Ironically, the more I read these threads about Cyclops and peoples concerns about character portrayal and death, the more I am confident that he will have a pivotal and memorable role in this film.

If you want a little taste at what may be to come, re-read the original phoenix saga (If you have it) I believe that this and Whedon's Astonishing is being used for inspiration of the material and character scenes. In the OPS, there are some great and shocking moments for Wolverine, Cyclops and Phoenix, aswell as Xavier and Rogue.

In case that anyone missed this there are also hints by Neil Gaiman, a famous author who toured the studios a couple of months back that one of the climax's will involve a fight between Wolverine and Magneto, in the classic vein of their conflicts.

Course that is all speculation but it is quite possible that a lot of comic book scenes will be used for reference, as Avi Arad has said, they are the greatest storyboards in the medium, and both Spider-Man (especially the sequel), X-Men, Hulk and Daredevil films used alot of the famous scenes and covers from the respective series's for 'emotive' sequences.

[TNC9852002]

And yes, Jimmy is an excellent mimic and has bang-up comic timing -- something that's actually pretty hard to pull off.
Yeah,...he's done quite a few impressions..

Didn't he do McKellen once?

-TNC

[RedIsNotBlue]

Didn't he do McKellen once?

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

[TNC9852002]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.
Yes. It will vary depending on the mental state of the reader. :p

-TNC

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

lol

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Course that is all speculation but it is quite possible that a lot of comic book scenes will be used for reference, as Avi Arad has said, they are the greatest storyboards in the medium, and both Spider-Man (especially the sequel), X-Men, Hulk and Daredevil films used alot of the famous scenes and covers from the respective series's for 'emotive' sequences.

This brings about a couple questions I've had, but this really makes me think of them.

As someone who's X-Men comic collection spans only about 80 issues (ranging from 151 to recent, and I also did buy issue #23), I know general histories and such, but not specifics.

What issues in particular were inspiration for X-Men and X2 respectively?

I heard somewhere that X-Men did have a lot of inspiration from the first issue of X-Men, but never having read it, I wouldn't know.

And I've heard X2 is inspired greatly by God Loves, Man Kills, but all I have of that is an issue of God Loves, Man Kills II.

But what issue #'s would you say were specifically used as inspiration for each movie individually? As I'd like to try to track those down and compare those issues to the movies.

And also, are there any scenes in the movies we have thus far that are pretty much taken straight from the comics? Like you said about the Phoenix scene where Scott takes off his visor and she controls his optic blasts and such.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Well X-Men was based on the very early issues of Uncanny where the conflict was basically between X-Men and The BrotherHood of Evil Mutants (Strictly Superheroics, very little social commentary here), the Rogue/Wolverine storyline was an appropriation of Wolverine protector/teacher role in regards to Jubilee and Shadowcat (from early issues of X-Men, Wolverine and several mini-series, strict claremont stuff I think), and was also a little bit inspired by early episodes of TAS.
The Weapon X and Wolverines history is also from 200ish Uncanny comics, but he was never introduced to the X-Men this way, thats all Hayter's idea (I think).
As for references, the X-Men being chained and captured by Magneto (I Believe) is a reference to Wolverine #115 (I think) which was part of the Zero Tolerance issue. And some of the shots of Magneto may be references to X-Men 1 (not positive though).

Alot of the scenes from the school (Classroom and Teaching scenes) are appropriations from New Mutants, which is where the 'school' idea was expanded, although I could be wrong here, any die-hard fanboys know the specifics?

I think when Rogue steals Wolverines power after he stabs her is from an issue of Uncanny (355 i think?)

Gyrich and Senator Kelly are comic characters from the late 200's to early 300's.

X2 is not God Loves, Man Kills. It takes the villain from that series and appropriates him from Reverend to Colonel. It is not really based on any story, although connections can be seen to Zero Tolerance, which feaured an anti-mutant type gaining influence over the government and enforcing his own agenda. Similar ideas were done with Creed and Lang, in the early to Mid 200 issues of Uncanny.

The best example of a direct conflict between Magneto and Xavier (that I can think of) similar to what is seen in this film, is Fatal attractions, where X-Men 25 and Wolverine 25 where the climax. However, Xavier is much more aggressive in the comics than in the film.

Jason i believe is a reference to Mastermind from the Hellfire Club etc, but that whole final sequence at Alkali lake, with Cerebro and Magneto/Xavier etc i'm pretty sure is a complete invention of the film-makers (as with a lot of stuff in these stories)

Likewise, I can' really think of any Major comic references in this film, the battle at bobby's House seems familar but I can't pick it.
I'm sure there is a suburban battle in the comics somewhere, with trashed police cars and Magneto. Although I really might just be constructing it in my head.

Yeah, alot of X2 and X1 are 'inspired by' (funny that) the comics but I honestly can't give you a list of direct intepretations, although I'm sure there are a couple.

It does seem that X3 will be using the comics for more of a reference but I guess we don't really know do we?

[CapBeerCino]

i do however kinda hate Arad and think that he dosent know his elbow from his butthole..

Why? if it weren't for him you would still be watching the 90's cartoon for your x-men thrills.
Reminds me of how people are dishing Bryan Singer forgetting that those are his movies they're so fanatic about.

[conan69]

"Gyrich and Senator Kelly are comic characters from the late 200's to early 300's."

Gyrich plagued the Avengers for years in the late 70s and early 80s (When I was reading X-Men and Avengers). He was in charge of the team and making sure they followed govt protocol. There were some great scene of him pushing team members buttons and once the Vision became so angry with him, he picked Gyrich up off his feet and was about to beat him within a inch of his life before Capt A stopped him.

Sen Kelly,from memory first appeared in X-Men135 - though he and some other may have been showed in silhoutte earlier. Im not sure.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Thanks Conan
It's always helpful to get the specifics of Comic Book lore.

[conan69]

The run on Avengers from about 160-200(its hard to remember exact issue #s) are highly recommended, this includes J Bryne and Goerge Perez runs on the book. Avengers had some rough spots in there after 100, but on the whole was a very solid book the first 200 issues. FOr me the book changed forever after the trial of Yellowjacket and I stopped reading it.


Of course the Bryne/Claremont X-Men come with the highest recommendation.
This is prob why I was so hard on the book after that run ended. It was so good that everything afterwards was a let down.

Both runs shows John Byrnes art at its absolute pinnacle. Simply IMHO the greatest example of comic book art, ever.


I gave up on X-Men after Paul Smith left the book, which was around 1985 I believe.


I saw 2 episodes of the early 90s cartoon,thought it was terrible, and never watched it again.

I saw one episode of Evolution.

[vanillacyke]

No offense but . . . CYCLOPS people!

[fazeforce]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

Dude, I know this was posted like hours ago, but just had to say - I am typing LOL and actually meaning it!! :up:

[CapBeerCino]

I just finished watching x2 with the commentary on (This is what happens in no x3 updates periods) And when lady deathstrike takes cyclops down Bryan is saying "Its too bad Jimmy got so little to do in this film (he is soo great, etc...)"

Duh! and who wrote the script that way? (hint: B---n S----r)
And Bryan did cast Jimmy for SR so you can tell he loves his work...
Dont get it. :( :confused:

[PikaZeroX]

He was used enough in X1, X2 he got shafted hard. X3 ain't looking good.

[Mr. Freeze]

Yeah

I want Cyclops to have a fight scene with a Mutant........ and not some cheap ass 2 seconds scene iam talkking myabe a good 3 or 4 minute fight scene with another mutant

[vanillacyke]

Anyone getting a MASTER REPLICA Cyclops Visor in 06'? I'm buying 30!!!

[CapBeerCino]

iam talkking myabe a good 3 or 4 minute fight scene with another mutant

Who knows? Maybe he'll pull a 'Wolverine' and do just that...

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I just finished watching x2 with the commentary on (This is what happens in no x3 updates periods) And when lady deathstrike takes cyclops down Bryan is saying "Its too bad Jimmy got so little to do in this film (he is soo great, etc...)"

Duh! and who wrote the script that way? (hint: B---n S----r)
And Bryan did cast Jimmy for SR so you can tell he loves his work...
Dont get it. :( :confused:

Bryan Singer didn't write the script. It was Hayter and Penn and Doughertty and them. Yes, Singer, for both movies, helped develop the story. But the script itself was written by others.

X-Men:

Story by Tom DeSanto & Bryan Singer
Screenplay by David Hayter

X2:

Story by Zak Penn, David Hayter, & Bryan Singer
Screenplay by Michael Dogherty, Dan Harris, & David Hayter

But I do get what you mean. Putting it in terms that I relate to, it's like Zak Penn saying he feels sorry for Gambit fans and Simon Kinberg saying he's a huge Gambit fan, but there's no Gambit.

However, in the case of Cyclops, Bryan Singer didn't write the scripts, he just helped develop the stories. So Cyclops' lack of screentime in X2 probably can't solely be blamed on him.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He was used enough in X1, X2 he got shafted hard. X3 ain't looking good.

We don't know much about X-Men 3.

For all we know, Cyclops has a huge role that's been all filmed in studio, so we know nothing about it.

Afterall, we have heard very little of Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Cyclops, Moira McTaggert, Bill Duke's character, and a lot of other characters, and we all know they are going to have some kind of role.

And Ralph Winter did say that Cyclops is a key role. "Key Role" isn't something they have just thrown about for every character, so tho it still may be an exaggeration, I still believe it.

The only characters we've really heard much about are Storm, Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, Stacy X, and the contriversey around the is he or isn't he Omega Red.

I'm really not too worried. I think Cyclops will have a good role. But we have to realize that he's not gonna be the main focus, and not get our hopes up. Wolverine is the main show, whether we like it or not. Halle is probably the biggest Hollywood name in the cast, and she's gonna get her pull. Cyclops could very well have a good role, but don't get your hopes up too high.

I do feel he'll have a good sized role in this movie tho. As long as he doesn't die, I'll be happy (same goes for Xavier, but that's for another thread I suppose)

[RedIsNotBlue]

We don't know much about X-Men 3.

For all we know, Cyclops has a huge role that's been all filmed in studio, so we know nothing about it.

Afterall, we have heard very little of Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Cyclops, Moira McTaggert, Bill Duke's character, and a lot of other characters, and we all know they are going to have some kind of role.

And Ralph Winter did say that Cyclops is a key role. "Key Role" isn't something they have just thrown about for every character, so tho it still may be an exaggeration, I still believe it.

The only characters we've really heard much about are Storm, Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, Stacy X, and the contriversey around the is he or isn't he Omega Red.

I'm really not too worried. I think Cyclops will have a good role. But we have to realize that he's not gonna be the main focus, and not get our hopes up. Wolverine is the main show, whether we like it or not. Halle is probably the biggest Hollywood name in the cast, and she's gonna get her pull. Cyclops could very well have a good role, but don't get your hopes up too high.

I do feel he'll have a good sized role in this movie tho. As long as he doesn't die, I'll be happy (same goes for Xavier, but that's for another thread I suppose)


We don't know if Marsden has even filmed anything at all yet. Hell...there was even a recent article confirming that Cyclops was still IN X3...haha. As far as we know Marsden is still filming for Superman Returns. His schedule is showing that Cyclops role will be just like the other ones.

[aaron]

we do.

winter said hes done most of his stuff

[RedIsNotBlue]

we do.

winter said hes done most of his stuff

Link?

[aaron]

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml

[RedIsNotBlue]

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml

Hmmm missed that part. I guess he filmed on the Superman Returns break. I still don't think his role will be bigger than the last two films. Of course he is key because of his relationship with Jean but I don't think it will be played out to the size it should be. Hope I am wrong.

[aaron]

i hope youre wrong aswell

lol

[Maze]

I do not wish to bring negativism at all costs but let's not forget that Cyke death as ridiculous as the scene in the aicn script seemed to be, was a key factor in Jean Grey transformation.

we can't be sure of anything, but things still do not look good imo ..

[snwboarder88]

has anyone ever seen this interview with james mardsen from usa today?

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat_03/2003-05-02-marsden.htm

[Octoberist]

I agree with Maze. Kiling off Cyclops does nothing for me, or for the plot. And the audience won't buy it either.

At least Marsden will be in Superman Returns..

[TNC9852002]

How are you sure about that, Octoberist?..How about all of you?..

I'm just feeling that you guys just don't want Cyclops to die, regardless of the story or whatever happens in the movie and you try to integrate the thought of him dying as if it will affect something that you really don't know enough about...I would only feel the same way if I actually knew something significant about this movie, which I know I don't, and I'm pretty sure alot of you don't either..

So, I'm just saying, stay optimistic...There's not a whole lot we can truly worry about yet...There are too many other uncertainties to consider..

-TNC

[Maze]

edit.

I'm going to rewrite my post in a more understandable english :D

[vanillacyke]

I'd be okay with Cyke dying, if he took out every Sentinal in existence and saved Jean from herself AT THE SAME TIME!!! and everyone was sad Cyclops died and all they did was talk about how great Cyclops was for the rest of the film and then Wolverine kills himself and no one cares cause there all to busy thinking about how amazing Cyclops was.

[spidey-dude]

wasn't sure if this deserved it's own thread, or if it has been mentioned yet, but cylops key? :D http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml

[newwaveboy87]

it's been mentioned

[RedIsNotBlue]

wasn't sure if this deserved it's own thread, or if it has been mentioned yet, but cylops key? :D http://www.thexverse.com/news/0171.shtml

Of course he is key because he has a relationship with Jean(Phoenix) who is a major part of the film.

[_BB_]

I'd be okay with Cyke dying, if he took out every Sentinal in existence and saved Jean from herself AT THE SAME TIME!!! and everyone was sad Cyclops died and all they did was talk about how great Cyclops was for the rest of the film and then Wolverine kills himself and no one cares cause there all to busy thinking about how amazing Cyclops was.

lol! too much death!

[Minisinoo]

has anyone ever seen this interview with james mardsen from usa today?

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat_03/2003-05-02-marsden.htm

Old interview. See that first question he was asked? That was mine. (g)

[vanillacyke]

See that 18th question that he was'nt asked? That was mine. (gpbhaieangoe)

[spidey-dude]

sorry couldn't see it thought no1 had seen it

[heck13r]

I'm just feeling that you guys just don't want Cyclops to die, regardless of the story or whatever happens in the movie and you try to integrate the thought of him dying as if it will affect something that you really don't know enough about...I would only feel the same way if I actually knew something significant about this movie, which I know I don't, and I'm pretty sure alot of you don't either..

i know its bout The dark Pheonix a story that Mainly stars cyclops.. so if he gets killed off in the first act..that would..yknow..be crap

dark pheonix - cyclops screentime = poo

[CapBeerCino]

I do not wish to bring negativism at all costs but let's not forget that Cyke death as ridiculous as the scene in the aicn script seemed to be, was a key factor in Jean Grey transformation.

we can't be sure of anything, but things still do not look good imo ..


:eek: Damm... didn't think of that...

[Octoberist]

Personally, I don't want Cykes to die PERIOD. For God's sakes, he's on the ground already, leave him alone. Kill off Storm :) I kid...I kid. No I'm not ;)

If Cykes died like the great lead that he is, then maybe I'll buy into it. If his death was a key plotline in X3, then I'll probably buy into it. But if Cykes DOES die, I don't want an X4, even if Gambit gets his PROPS.

[Ions]

Ooh does this mean we've reached a stage in this thread where we get to repeat ourselves? Seems like it. :D [Ions is amused] ;)

[GNR]

we love you jimmy mars!

[Octoberist]

Repeating ourselves? Of course! This is the "Angry thread" of the forum!

[Specter313]

I do not wish to bring negativism at all costs but let's not forget that Cyke death as ridiculous as the scene in the aicn script seemed to be, was a key factor in Jean Grey transformation.

we can't be sure of anything, but things still do not look good imo ..

No, I'm pretty sure that the key factor for her going dark in that script was she went through her memories and found out that Xavier and Magneto did something to her. Cyclops' death was just there because it could be.

[Minisinoo]

As I'm sure several of you are already aware, Ian McKellen has updated his site with a cast listing and -- unfortunately -- it would appear that the IMDb "downlisting" of Marsden from main cast to support cast was not an accident. McKellen also has him listed way down. I fear that may be suggestive, whatever the "official" word may be: McKellen's cast list (http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/x3/index.htm). Notice especially the large gap between Janssen's name and Marsden's.

[spark627]

umm, the list at that link is in alphabetical order

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

As I'm sure several of you are already aware, Ian McKellen has updated his site with a cast listing and -- unfortunately -- it would appear that the IMDb "downlisting" of Marsden from main cast to support cast was not an accident. McKellen also has him listed way down. I fear that may be suggestive, whatever the "official" word may be: McKellen's cast list (http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/x3/index.htm). Notice especially the large gap between Janssen's name and Marsden's.

1. I don't see Dr. Rao and Iceman being more important characters than Wolverine.

2. If that list had any indication what so ever of screen time, the Marsden made out pretty well, as he is above both McKellen and Patrick Stewart who we know both have good screen time

3. Most importantly, as stated above, that list is in alphabetical order...

[RedIsNotBlue]

1. I don't see Dr. Rao and Iceman being more important characters than Wolverine.

Well considering Wolverine has already had 2 movies of being the main character ,getting resolution in X2, and him getting his own movie...I wouldn't be surprised if his role was cut down from the last films.

[The Guard]

I would think the alphabetical order thing would be obvious...

[Minisinoo]

The original link I found was NOT in alphabetical order. Utterly confused now. The original was Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Famke Janssen ... etc.

I am NOT so dumb as to not notice if a list is in alphabetical order, guys. All I can figure is that between my original posting and now the page was adjusted ... which I find very strange. I actually found that list yesterday, and it also read the same order I just listed above. I didn't post it till today (and yes, I DID check it first) because I was busy all day.

Cannot explain it beyond that. But like I said, I can tell alphabetical order. ;)

[Minisinoo]

Because I was so baffled, I went and checked the page info. It says the page was modified at 11:23pm Friday, October 28th. And while yes, 'page info' isn't always reliable, it does indeed look as if that page was changed between the time I posted it and you all read it.

[Ions]

Fox probably realised it was giving away that Scott was gonna be sidelined again, so they quickly updated it to alphabetical. So they can atleast keep up appearances. :)

[Minisinoo]

Actually, it's Ian McKellen's site. I find it highly unlikely that he's monitoring the board. (g) Probably mere coincidence. But certainly ODD coincidence.

In the original list, Marsden was 3 up from the bottom -- I remember quite clearly, with the St. John actor below him and one other whose name I forget.

[Ions]

He wouldn't need to monitor the board. Fox's cronies are! [Ions laughs to himself]

[TNC9852002]

Are people still over-analyzing that cast list?.. :mad:

-TNC

[Ions]

Are people still over-analyzing that cast list?.. :mad:

-TNCProbably, isn't much else to do.
Unless you are talking to me? Clearly i'm just having a laugh. Gotta pass the time somehow. :marv:

[Daniella]

I don't think that it means anything the gap between two names... if you see some movies, you'll see the names sometimes are in different order...

For example: In the end of Playing by Heart the name of Gillian Anderson was before Sean Connery... the cast was appearing on the screen with the surname order...

I wouldn't be surprised if Fox changed it...

Dany

[narrows101]

I think also sometimes in their contracts it gets negotiated who gets top billing or who is perceived as the bigger star. I just read that Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx are now filming Miami Vice, and Jamie is annoyed that Colin is getting paid $10 million and he is only getting paid $7.5 million and Colin has top billing - but all this was negotiated before he won his Oscar. So I think a lot of factors are involved in billing - NY Post:

>>In addition, there have been reports of fights between Farrell and Foxx -
Foxx, who won his Oscar after signing up for "Vice," was said to be upset
that Farrell was being paid more than he was, so he demanded his paycheck be boosted from $7.5 million to $10 million to match his co-star.<<<

It will be interesting to see how the official list appears in X-Men.

[CapBeerCino]

I can't help but notice-

Storm's thread has about 3500 posts, Gambit has about 2900 and Cyke has 826.
Cyclops fans are outnumbered... or very shy :O

[Almighty Pejo]

Look at the dates all three threads were created and compare. That should explian a lot of it. And never forget, about 1500 of those Storm posts are from me and those like me about how much we loathe her, and the Gambit thread was made up of about 1500 different Gambit threads. This thread is pretty strong in its own right.

[TheDevil]

I can't help but notice-

Storm's thread has about 3500 posts, Gambit has about 2900 and Cyke has 826.
Cyclops fans are outnumbered... or very shy :O

The Cyclops Slurpy thread is ridiculous with posts and fans. It's not located here but in the X-World as where most of the Character Threads were moved.

Then you have the one here. I'd say that Cyclops has a very strong Following. The Storm "Garden" was always small in numbers especially post X2. Rogue had a number of threads created for her. Famke's threads were much more stronger and outnumbered the Storm ones during that time but everything has changed since.

Most of the Nightcrawler, Phoenix and Rogue fans have left these boards when Bryan left the project.

Oh PBJ!! how I miss him so much!

[Daniella]

Hey... it's not ridicolous... if you don't like you aren't obligated to enter...

Dany

[TheDevil]

Hey... it's not ridicolous... if you don't like you aren't obligated to enter...

Dany


You misunderstood what I was saying. I was meaning that it had tons of posts not that the posts were ridiculous. Metaphorically speaking.

[JP]

The Devil and Pejo have a point. Take all the Rattlerbratt posts out of the Halle thread, and its about the same as this one.

[Daniella]

You misunderstood what I was saying. I was meaning that it had tons of posts not that the posts were ridiculous. Metaphorically speaking.

Oooopppppssss, sorry... I was a little nervous because I knew that Bryan betraided us... literally... it was his idea to do a new Super movie...

Dany

[Ions]

Well... that new thread about Marsden. He's back in Aus filming Superman. Maybe he'll be back later on to do pick up shots or maybe the X-men 3 shoot will run longer. It was said most of his shots were done. So there could be some left.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I can't help but notice-

Storm's thread has about 3500 posts, Gambit has about 2900 and Cyke has 826.
Cyclops fans are outnumbered... or very shy :O

I am a Cyclops fan! Hear me Roar!

[Quidam]

I can't help but notice-

... Cyclops fans are outnumbered... or very shy :O

Or just horribly busy with little to no time to spare for posting. ;)

[VincenFilmerset]

Yep we are focused people:batman:

copiright2005@greatwhitewhale :D

[TheDevil]

Oooopppppssss, sorry... I was a little nervous because I knew that Bryan betraided us... literally... it was his idea to do a new Super movie...

Dany

That's OK. I noticed a big Cyclops drop off when Bryan Singer left this project and I also noticed the Rogue fans seemed to have vanquished along with them, although, they are starting to come back little by little.

I believe Bryan had bigger things in mind for Cyclops in X3 and beyond but those hopes seem to be dashed now that Ratner's directing.

[Ions]

That's OK. I noticed a big Cyclops drop off when Bryan Singer left this project and I also noticed the Rogue fans seemed to have vanquished along with them, although, they are starting to come back little by little.

I believe Bryan had bigger things in mind for Cyclops in X3 and beyond but those hopes seem to be dashed now that Ratner's directing.:up: I completely agree with your sentiment. We'll never know what Singer had planned. :( I doubt there'll be any other X-men movies directed by him.

[Minisinoo]

What Quidam said. Some of us are just busy. I've been putting more energy into writing about Cyclops than talking about him. LOL!

And I try not to post if I have nothing useful to say. (g)

--Minisinoo
The Medicine Wheel: X-Men Fanfiction (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/)

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[Compi716]

I can't help but notice-

Storm's thread has about 3500 posts, Gambit has about 2900 and Cyke has 826.
Cyclops fans are outnumbered... or very shy :O
Storm's thread has THAT many? Really?!

Jeez, Storm is my least favorite X-Man. I guess very few people agree with me.

But then again, when she's played by Halle Berry, I think some people stop caring about the character all together.

Long live Cyclops!
:xmen:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I was a little nervous because I knew that Bryan betraided us...

Not really.

Bryan wanted to come back for X-Men 3, but it was studio politics that got in the way.

I have no hostility or bitterness towards Bryan Singer whatsoever. Of course I wish he was still on board, but I don't think he betrayed us.

[GNR]

I pretty much see it as a blessing in disguise.Singer ended up doing the movie he always wanted to make,and Ratner ended up doing the franchise he could have started years ago.Everyone's happy,with the exception of angry fanboys of course.

[Specter313]

I pretty much see it as a blessing in disguise.Singer ended up doing the movie he always wanted to make,and Ratner ended up doing the franchise he could have started years ago.Everyone's happy,with the exception of angry fanboys of course.

Oh, those pissypants are never happy.

[The Original Bamfer]

:up:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I pretty much see it as a blessing in disguise.Singer ended up doing the movie he always wanted to make,and Ratner ended up doing the franchise he could have started years ago.Everyone's happy,with the exception of angry fanboys of course.

I wouldn't call it a blessing in disguise, as I'd just about guarantee we'd get a better movie with Singer and Co. than we'll get with Ratner and Co. with major influence from ****tard Matthew Vaughn... :eek:

That's not to say that we're not getting a good movie, cuz I think we're gonna get a great one.

But I'm 99.9% certain (.1% margin of error since I can't read the future) that Singer would've delivered a better movie.

[TNC9852002]

:rolleyes:

-TNC

[GNR]

I wouldn't call it a blessing in disguise, as I'd just about guarantee we'd get a better movie with Singer and Co. than we'll get with Ratner and Co. with major influence from ****tard Matthew Vaughn... :eek:

That's not to say that we're not getting a good movie, cuz I think we're gonna get a great one.

But I'm 99.9% certain (.1% margin of error since I can't read the future) that Singer would've delivered a better movie.

That's something that can't really be proven,it's all a matter of opinion.In my eyes,Ratner is going to give this franchise a huge kick in the ass in the right,but new direction.

[The Original Bamfer]

:rolleyes:

-TNC

Agreed...

[Daniella]

I think the same TNC... I don't care what people say... I don't know why they are so worried because Ratner is a big fan of the X - Movies and will continue Bryan's work, in his way of course...

Nell2, Bryan has his part of guilty because he knew that Fox wait till the last minute to sign a contract and he didn't want to wait, so he went to Warner Bros. with his super story... go to see my thread in the Superman Returns Non - Spoikers... they say exact that...

And I don't remember he saying anything about his change... I don't read it and is something I'm waiting... because I feel betrayed...

Dany

[JP]

Nell never said he was worried. He jsut said the Singer would probably deliver a better movie, and I agree with him.

I'm not saying I have a problem with Ratner, I'm sure he'll do fine. And I'm sure X3 will blow my mind.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell never said he was worried. He jsut said the Singer would probably deliver a better movie, and I agree with him.

I'm not saying I have a problem with Ratner, I'm sure he'll do fine. And I'm sure X3 will blow my mind.

Exactly.

I'm getting a little sick and tired of the ":rolleyes:"'s from TNC or anyone else everytime I happen to say something that isn't along the lines of "X-Men 3 is gonna be great!"

I've stated time and time again that I think X-Men 3 is gonna be awesome, and that it has potential to be the best movie of the series.

That doesn't mean that I don't have a single bad thought in my head about the movie. Fact is, I think Gambit should be in, and that Singer would inherently make a better movie, because I feel he is a better filmmaker.

But that does not mean that because those things aren't in this movie (Gambit and Singer) that this movie is going to suffer.

I mean, cripes, I said right in the very same post: "That's not to say that we're not getting a good movie, cuz I think we're gonna get a great one."

But everytime I mention my preference of director, certain characters that I think should be included, or my view of the franchise post-X-Men 3 that isn't a totally positive opinion, I get met with the ":rolleyes:"'s everytime, and it's getting a little bit annoying.

I could understand it if I were trolling the forums, saying "OMGz, no singerz iz teh suxx0rz", but I simply replied to a statement giving my opinion on the matter. Sheesh.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's something that can't really be proven,it's all a matter of opinion.In my eyes,Ratner is going to give this franchise a huge kick in the ass in the right,but new direction.

It can't be proven, because it's opinion, but I feel that Bryan Singer is a superior filmmaker to Brett Ratner, and I think a Bryan Singer helmed X-Men 3 would be better than a Brett Ratner helmed X-Men 3.

I do however strongly feel that Brett Ratner, Simon Kinberg, and Zak Penn, are going to deliver an excellent X-Men 3 that will be a more than worthwhile installment to the franchise. I've never said otherwise.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think the same TNC... I don't care what people say... I don't know why they are so worried because Ratner is a big fan of the X - Movies and will continue Bryan's work, in his way of course...

Nell2, Bryan has his part of guilty because he knew that Fox wait till the last minute to sign a contract and he didn't want to wait, so he went to Warner Bros. with his super story... go to see my thread in the Superman Returns Non - Spoikers... they say exact that...

And I don't remember he saying anything about his change... I don't read it and is something I'm waiting... because I feel betrayed...

Dany

I'm not worried, just think Singer would've made a better movie.

And what do you expect Bryan Singer to do?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but filmmakers aren't in it for us. We're not entitled to these movies, and they are the ones sitting around to make them for us. Filmmakers, including directors, including Bryan Singer, are in it to make a living.

So what do you expect Bryan Singer to do? Sit around and wait for FOX to call him and say "We want you to direct X-Men 3" or go out and find work doing something that he wants to do.

I mean, seriously... if you have a job, and they tell you "We don't need you right now, but we are going to call you when we need your help", are you going to sit around forever, not collecting a paycheck, because they said they are gonna call you when they are ready, or are you going to go out yourself and find yourself another job so you can make some money?

Directing movies is Bryan Singer's job. He can't just sit around forever waiting for someone to call him. He has to get out there and get what he can get so that he can bring home a paycheck. And even better for him that he found an oppourtunity to do something he loves in Superman.

[TNC9852002]

Exactly.

I'm getting a little sick and tired of the ":rolleyes:"'s from TNC or anyone else everytime I happen to say something that isn't along the lines of "X-Men 3 is gonna be great!"
Who else does that to you?.. :p

I was trying to imply that your "99.9%" thing was quite a bit ridiculous...Of course you know that I know that you didn't make it out to be totally serious, but surely you set yourself up for that...That's where that :rolleyes: really came from...

-TNC

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

edit...

[GNR]

It can't be proven, because it's opinion, but I feel that Bryan Singer is a superior filmmaker to Brett Ratner, and I think a Bryan Singer helmed X-Men 3 would be better than a Brett Ratner helmed X-Men 3.

I do however strongly feel that Brett Ratner, Simon Kinberg, and Zak Penn, are going to deliver an excellent X-Men 3 that will be a more than worthwhile installment to the franchise. I've never said otherwise.

I see both directors equally as great and talented.Saying one can make a better version of a movie the other is making just seems far fetched to me,in my opinion.It's something I'll never know.To me,Singer's out and that's that.I couldn't care less what his vision of X3 was because we got Ratner onboard and there's a chance he could make an equally,maybe even superior,film than the previous 2.We'll have to wait until May to find out.

And I have to agree with TNC about that 99.9% comment.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm 99.9% sure that I'd enjoy a Bryan Singer X-Men 3 over a Brett Ratner X-Men 3.

It's not 100%, because Bryan Singer isn't making it, so I'll never know. But I am that confident from his previous works in the franchise that he would make the best possible X-Men movie. Bryan Singer was just perfect for the job. I couldn't ask for 2 better movies from the X-Men.

It's called my own opinion. I don't know what the big deal is over using "99.9%" as my way of saying "I think Singer would've made a better movie"

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm 99.9% sure that I'd enjoy a Bryan Singer X-Men 3 over a Brett Ratner X-Men 3.

It's not 100%, because Bryan Singer isn't making it, so I'll never know. But I am that confident from his previous works in the franchise that he would make the best possible X-Men movie. Bryan Singer was just perfect for the job. I couldn't ask for 2 better movies from the X-Men.

It's called my own opinion. I don't know what the big deal is over using "99.9%" as my way of saying "I think Singer would've made a better movie"

Couldn't you at least wait to see some footage from Ratner before your so quick to dismiss him?

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I know I enjoyed a Brett Ratner Red Dragon over a Ridley Scott Hannibal

and I'm a Ridley Scott fan.

(I'm also a Brian Singer fan, but I love X-Men so here's hoping Ratner pulls his finger out).

[Daniella]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but filmmakers aren't in it for us. We're not entitled to these movies, and they are the ones sitting around to make them for us. Filmmakers, including directors, including Bryan Singer, are in it to make a living.

So what do you expect Bryan Singer to do? Sit around and wait for FOX to call him and say "We want you to direct X-Men 3" or go out and find work doing something that he wants to do.

I mean, seriously... if you have a job, and they tell you "We don't need you right now, but we are going to call you when we need your help", are you going to sit around forever, not collecting a paycheck, because they said they are gonna call you when they are ready, or are you going to go out yourself and find yourself another job so you can make some money?

Directing movies is Bryan Singer's job. He can't just sit around forever waiting for someone to call him. He has to get out there and get what he can get so that he can bring home a paycheck. And even better for him that he found an oppourtunity to do something he loves in Superman.

__________________________________________________ _______________________

Nell, it was the same between X1 and X2, and he waited... so I think that he should have waited this time too...

Another thing is in USA, the number of people who doesn't have a job is smaller in relation to my country... some people here stay on the line for more than five years, because they don't arrange a job... even domestic job or to wash dishes... it's not that easy to arrange a job...

Yes, Bryan's job is to do movies... but so are the jobs of producers and the cast... some of them didn't work after X2...

Dany

[Ions]

Nell, it was the same between X1 and X2, and he waited... so I think that he should have waited this time too...He did wait, he just didn't wanna wait 2 years(an eternity for movie makers, most directors have windows of 10 years or so when they make their best work) before Fox would let him start work on X-3. Considering the problems Fox gave him over the production of the last two films, and him delivering a successful blockbuster film. Not so surprising he wouldn't stand in their **** a third time(after proving himself) because they'd rather do things counter-productive to making good movies(late start to production, rushed schedules, hard release date less than a year from start of filming on an effects heavy movie). :down: If X-3 is bad it'll rest solely with Fox.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The difference with the period between X-Men and X2, and the period between X2 and X-Men 3 is that I believe that Singer was locked up early on in the process. So when Bryan Singer was "waiting around" for X2 to start, he already had a job lined up... the job of making X2.

So Singer, and Hayter, and everyone else, could hammer out a storyline, figure out the characters they wanted to add in, etc...

After X2, nobody was signed. Everyone was sitting around waiting for FOX to make the movies to lock everyone in. And finally, with FOX not making the effort to bring Singer back, he got the oppourtunity to do Superman Returns, a project that he really wanted to do, so he took it.

They didn't get their first director on the project until I believe June or July when they got Vaughn. Ratner didn't come in until after Vaughn walked, and the rest of the crew didn't come aboard until well after Ratner was decided upon. Singer's departure is FOX's fault, and nobody else's. Singer didn't "betray" anybody, he did what he had to do to collect a check when one company didn't call him back.

And your comparison to the unemployment rate in your country (which I don't know what country that is...) should only prove my point further. If it's so hard to get a job, then when you are offered a job, wouldn't you want to jump on the oppourtunity, ESPECIALLY if it's something you want to do, instead of just sitting around for that one guy who knows a guy that might give you a call in a week?

And Jesus man, on the Ratner vs. Singer thing, what's the deal all of a sudden?

My comments are no different from anyone else who's said they'd prefer Singer over Vaughn or Ratner.

Look, as far as I'm concerned, I can't imagine X-Men movies being done better than what Singer did. Other people think differently, but in my eyes, the way I see the X-Men, Singer nailed it perfectly. He also established the universe, knows the histories of these characters, since he created these histories in terms of the movie universe, and had ideas on how to continue the universe, which would inherently have a better continuity since he's the one who established this universe.

My comments are nothing against Ratner. I have never bashed the guy. I like the Rush Hour movies (some of my favorite comedy / action movies), and I enjoyed Money Talks. I haven't seen any of his other movies, but movies like After the Sunset and Family Man look like movies I'd enjoy.

But he's not Singer. He didn't establish the movie universe. And when someone does what Singer did to what I consider to be my favorite fictional universe ever, I have concerns that it won't come out as good.

I have full faith in Brett Ratner to deliver tho. Despite the hissy fit I threw over no Gambit, I have full faith that Penn and Kinberg care about this movie, and are doing the best job possible to make a good movie. Penn was involved in X2, so that can only be a good thing. Ratner has done nothing but fill me with confidence that he's gonna hit a home run, with some of the moves that he's made thus far (I.E. the addition of Moira McTaggert, and the possible additions of Sentinels and Omega Red)

But is it really that bad that, in my opinion, I feel where Brett Ratner is going to hit a home run, Bryan Singer would have hit a grand slam?

I still don't see what the big deal is. Some people are upset that Cyclops won't have a big role, but we have no footage to prove that, or see how it will play out. Should everyone who's worried about Cyclops just think happy-go-lucky thoughts because no footage has been shown to prove his role?

Some people are concerned over the portrayal of Storm's character in this movie. There's been no footage of that, so I guess they have no right to be concerned...

And the thing is, I'm not even concerned. I just think Singer would hit a grand slam to Brett Ratner's home run. Last I checked, anytime you hit a home run, it's always a good thing.

[CapBeerCino]

And Jesus man, on the Ratner vs. Singer thing, what's the deal all of a sudden?

My comments are no different from anyone else who's said they'd prefer Singer over Vaughn or Ratner.

:up:
The way I see it: If it works dont fix it. The reason I wanted Bryan to do the third movie is because I loved the first two so why chance a thing? Also Bryan was building and developing the story - x3 is the climax and I'd love to see his vision of it- and no matter how good x3 will get I'll always wonder...

[JP]

Couldn't you at least wait to see some footage from Ratner before your so quick to dismiss him?

See, this is just selective reading. Nell never 'dismissed' Ratner. He's said countless times that he trusts him, and that X3 might just be a great movie.

All he said was that he was pretty sure he'd enjoy a Singer X3 more.

[Daniella]

Nell, in the super forum they are saying that Bryan offered himself to do Superman to Richard Donner... Warner didn't ask him to do it... that's all I'm saying... so, if he had any intention of doing X3, it would be in two years... this show that the movie wasn't one of his priorities...

Yes, Fox waited till the last minute, but they always do it... in every movie... for me it isn't a new thing... and Bryan should know that better than anyone...

I'm saying this because of what I think... not to criticize anyone, not Bryan and not you... I'm very happy that Ratner is doing this movie and to know that in almost seven months we can see X3...

My country is Brazil... you just have to see it on the left side...

Dany

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

See, this is just selective reading. Nell never 'dismissed' Ratner. He's said countless times that he trusts him, and that X3 might just be a great movie.

All he said was that he was pretty sure he'd enjoy a Singer X3 more.

Thank you, JP. It's good to know that at least one person around her can comprehend what I'm saying.

BTW, your avatar does things to me...

[JP]

It does things to all of us. :D

[RedIsNotBlue]

See, this is just selective reading. Nell never 'dismissed' Ratner. He's said countless times that he trusts him, and that X3 might just be a great movie.

All he said was that he was pretty sure he'd enjoy a Singer X3 more.

I never said dismissed him. I am just saying to have a feeling about Ratner's take on X3 you should at least wait to see some footage. I am also looking forward to what Ratner has in store for us. But I am not going to choose Singer over him or vice versa till I actually see what he has done. Because the fact is we really don't know what the hell Ratner is doing. We have just been putting this perception of the movie from random set pics and various news tidbits and rumors.

[aaron]

except the michael jackson pic :D

[JP]

I never said dismissed him. I am just saying to have a feeling about Ratner's take on X3 you should at least wait to see some footage. I am also looking forward to what Ratner has in store for us. But I am not going to choose Singer over him or vice versa till I actually see what he has done. Because the fact is we really don't know what the hell Ratner is doing. We have just been putting this perception of the movie from random set pics and various news tidbits and rumors.

Hey, X3 can blow my mind. It can be so amazing, and end up being my favorite movie ever, but that wont change me thinking that Singer, the one who started it all, would have made a better film.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Hey, X3 can blow my mind. It can be so amazing, and end up being my favorite movie ever, but that wont change me thinking that Singer, the one who started it all, would have made a better film.

Fact: Singer had flaws in his X-Men films.

Ratner can be the one to fix them. But that is your opinion. I see Singer's films and I see great movies but they are far from perfection.

[aaron]

Hey, X3 can blow my mind. It can be so amazing, and end up being my favorite movie ever, but that wont change me thinking that Singer, the one who started it all, would have made a better film.

i dont a comic book movie ever stands a chance of becoming a persons favourite movie ever, maybe the first superman or batman begins...

[GNR]

I'm not going to waste my time thinking or worrying about how Singer could have made a better movie and whatever.We got Ratner who is going to make a kick ass movie,and that's all there is to it.Singer's out of the picture from here on out.That's all there is to it.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm not going to waste my time thinking or worrying about how Singer could have made a better movie and whatever.We got Ratner who is going to make a kick ass movie,and that's all there is to it.Singer's out of the picture from here on out.That's all there is to it.

Yeah but if we all thought that what fun would these boards be? :)

[JP]

i dont a comic book movie ever stands a chance of becoming a persons favourite movie ever, maybe the first superman or batman begins...

X1 and 2 are tied for my favorite movies.

[GNR]

Yeah but if we all thought that what fun would these boards be? :)

I was just talking about my opinion.I didn't meant "OKAY FROM HERE ON OUT NO MORE TALK ABOUT SINGER!"

Sorry if you guys misunderstood.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I was just talking about my opinion.I didn't meant "OKAY FROM HERE ON OUT NO MORE TALK ABOUT SINGER!"

Sorry if you guys misunderstood.

I was just joking.

[GNR]

I want to see Cyke lose his visor and just rip loose in X3.

[JP]

I'm not going to waste my time thinking or worrying about how Singer could have made a better movie and whatever.We got Ratner who is going to make a kick ass movie,and that's all there is to it.Singer's out of the picture from here on out.That's all there is to it.

I feel the same way, and I'm sure Nell does too. He made one tiney comment in responce to someones post, and everyone is blowing it up. :o

[GNR]

I was just joking.

Oh okay,no I didn't take it as offence,I just thought you guys seriously thought I didn't want anyone talking about Singer anymore.

[GNR]

I want to see Cyke lose his visor and just rip loose in X3.

I want to see Cyke lose his visor and just rip loose in X3.

[aaron]

I want to see Cyke lose his visor and just rip loose in X3.

this could be how he dies :D or how he loses his manhood

[GNR]

Or maybe a panning shot where we enter his blast and everything goes red for a quick bit.

[aaron]

whooo! sounds nice man

[Minisinoo]

I'm not familiar enough with Ratner's work to have an opinion on him, but while I did like Singer's X-Men films -- liked them enough to return to X-Men after, literally, decades away -- I also found them less than perfect. As a fan of Cyke, I wasn't terribly impressed with the use of that character primarily as a foil for Wolverine, but Cyke completely aside, there were aspects of Singer's treatment that I simply didn't care for, particularly in terms of some of the relationship dynamics. I think they could have been more nuanced than they turned out to be -- but this is a character novelist talking. I'd far rather watch a film with good characterization than good fight scenes. ;)

But there were other issues in the layout of the plotlines -- particularly in X2. I've discussed that elsewhere, but Singer "crossed his wires," or really, confused his "bowls" in terms of the FRAMING of X2, and how the plot played out, where the climax fell, etc. From a purely archetectural point of view, some of his scenes needed to be rearranged and, imo, the film badly needed at least one more scene with Jean alone, and preferably two that focused on her. (Again, this is the novelist and editor speaking, not the Cyke fan.)

My point isn't to criticize Singer unduly, but simply to point out that he is not a god, and while I thought that -- overall -- he did a very good job, there is no such thing as a 'perfect' film (anymore than there's a 'perfect' novel). So I'm not entirely displeased that he's off X3. Sometimes having a NEW vision is a good thing ... especially with a fanchise as diverse in characters as X-Men, because it allows the focus to shift about and spotlight different characters.

What I AM displeased and worried about is the rush-job that Fox seems to be engaged in, trying to get this film into the theaters before Superman, the potentially bloated cast, and the rumors coming out about the production. The couple of Hollywood types I've talked to (script-writers, et al., who hear "the gossip"), X3 is generally viewed as a "troubled" production -- which at this stage is usually the harbinger of a bad film. I HOPE they're wrong in this case, but I'm not terribly optimistic. I'm waiting to see the trailer, at which point, I think we'll know a little more.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I feel the same way, and I'm sure Nell does too. He made one tiney comment in responce to someones post, and everyone is blowing it up. :o

There are a couple flaws that I find in Singer's movies, mainly with his handling of certain characters (and no, Cyclops is not one of those characters I have a problem with), which is ironic, considering that I think he handled the characters brilliantly for the overwhelming majority.

However, despite what I find to be a few minor flaws, overall, I think that Bryan Singer made a perfect X-Men film in terms of the way I view the X-Men, the world they live in, the situations they deal with, and the relationships they have with each other as well as their enemies. I like the grounded, real world with a sci-fi twist a lot better than the Shiar Empire, Cyyorak Crystals, and Magneto's Earth-Axis-Altering machines. I've always liked the X-Men better, in comics, games, cartoons, and now the movies, when they are dealing with the government, and oppression, Magneto's very valid gripe against humanity, and the ultimate creation of oppression, the Sentinels, than when they are teaming up with the Starjammers, or fighting the Brood, or what have you. I find Rogue's fear of using her powers to be a much more power, and meaningful character trait than her ability to throw a tank. So in terms of what I like about the X-Men, Singer nailed it brilliantly, and I couldn't ask for better made movies.

With that said, yes, there are still a few characters whose portrayals I disagree with. But even those complaints I find to be minor in the grande scheme of the overall quality of the movies, so it's easy to let them slide.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What I AM displeased and worried about is the rush-job that Fox seems to be engaged in

Tho this is a valid concern, because it can directly have an effect upon the movie, at the same time, I'm not too sure what all the worry is about.

Afterall, it is my understanding that both X-Men and X2 had very similar, if not nearly identical shooting schedules, and both of those turned out okay.

I've heard a lot of people talk about the effects needed for this movie. Well, not so much X-Men, but X2 definatley, had tons of special effects. And they were done brilliantly in my opinion.

Granted, this movie is supposed to be "bigger" than X2, by admition of many involved, including the writers and Avi Arad, but X2 was still a "big" movie by all means, and again, the similar shooting schedule didn't leave us with bad effects.

I'm not entirely worried about the "troubled" production people say this movie has. I don't neccesarily agree with Fox setting a release date before they even have a director, but I also don't neccesarily agree that Fox has put Ratner and co. in a bad position. Maybe a position where they don't have room to funk around, but I think everything will be okay.

[Octoberist]

I hope that is the case, Nell.

I think with Fox, they are afraid to loosen their grip on their properties. There's no right or wrong way about it, but once you let the filmmakers have some freedom, you get great movies like Batman Begins. But if you sometimes get thuds like Hulk...

[RedIsNotBlue]

I hope that is the case, Nell.

I think with Fox, they are afraid to loosen their grip on their properties. There's no right or wrong way about it, but once you let the filmmakers have some freedom, you get great movies like Batman Begins. But if you sometimes get thuds like Hulk...

Please don't call Hulk a thud. It is a decent movie and did pretty good at the box office. If you want to use thud examples use movies we can all agree on like Catwoman and Batman and Robin.

[Ions]

Please don't call Hulk a thud. It is a decent movie and did pretty good at the box office. If you want to use thud examples use movies we can all agree on like Catwoman and Batman and Robin.Totally agree with you! :up: Don't use Hulk for your examples! Choose a film that hasn't managed to retain its forum here at SHH! :) Hulk is still here, A bunch of others aren't. :up: :xmen: Those would be the thud's.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Hulk still kinda sucked tho...

Kinda.

[Octoberist]

Heheheh..........MUAHAHAHAHA! (EVIL LAUGHTER)

Okay...sorry :)

[RedIsNotBlue]

Hulk still kinda sucked tho...

Kinda.

Not really. It could have been better of course but it was still watchable and entertaining. They made some bad choices (some that can changed for the sequel) for the film but hey...that's that Hollywood garbage they try to throw in every movie. If you want movies that actually sucked read my previous examples. :o

[Ions]

Hulk still kinda sucked tho...

Kinda.If by 'kinda' you mean kicked and by 'sucked' ass. Then yes it kinda did! :up:
Read my sig! :hulk:

[Porochaz]

Remember Cyclops thread not hulk thread!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If by 'kinda' you mean kicked and by 'sucked' ass. Then yes it kinda did! :up:
Read my sig! :hulk:

I've read the sig. And that's not what I mean by "kinda sucked"

I just... barely enjoyed the movie.

[cookiva]

I just watched it yesteday, and I gotta say, I think its about 7th on the all time great comic book movies.

[fazeforce]

I just... barely enjoyed the movie.

That pretty much sums it up for me, too. I mean, I bought it on DVD, but...

[CapBeerCino]

And back to some none-green issues:

Dont you think Cyclops was really dumb in the final bit in x1: "Storm, blast him!" -"I thought you kids live in a school..."
He could've killed them all off! Every time I watch it I feel its really out of character. Hope he'll be smarter in x3. (yes, a bit OT, but this is what happens when the biggest Cyke spoiler in mounts is an interview in which we discover he will be wearing a visor in x3 as well! tam tam TAM...) :D

[Kanon]

Dont you think Cyclops was really dumb in the final bit in x1: "Storm, blast him!" -"I thought you kids live in a school..."
I think he said "Storm, blast him!" as in "Storm, blast him! It doesn't matter what happens to us, we must stop him" (As I remember, the "blast him" was in response to some threat Magneto was doing)

[CapBeerCino]

I think he said "Storm, blast him!" as in "Storm, blast him! It doesn't matter what happens to us, we must stop him" (As I remember, the "blast him" was in response to some threat Magneto was doing)

I thought about it, but when Magneto proves him wrong he give up on the idea and has a "Duh!" expression all over. I think they needed to explain why Storm is also helpless and it was on Cyke's expenses.

[TNC9852002]

"Storm, fry him"...You guys aren't true X-Men movie fans just yet.. :p

Anyway, I think it was at the expense of those in the audience who were thinking, "Why doesn't Storm do something?"...Well, that's why...

-TNC

[Specter313]

"Storm, fry him"...You guys aren't true X-Men movie fans just yet.. :p

Anyway, I think it was at the expense of those in the audience who were thinking, "Why doesn't Storm do something?"...Well, that's why...

-TNC

Exactly. Casual fans sometimes need things spelled out for them, or they cry "plot hole!"

[ShadowBoxing]

Please don't call Hulk a thud. It is a decent movie and did pretty good at the box office. If you want to use thud examples use movies we can all agree on like Catwoman and Batman and Robin.Hulk was great...up until the last 30 minutes.

[JP]

Hulk was great...up until the last 30 minutes.

I'd agree. That whole father son battle thing kinda killed it for me.

[TNC9852002]

I don't see what was wrong with it...

-TNC

[EnSabahNur]

I liked Hulk.... But Cyclops is cool too guys... lets get back on topic unless i accidently stumbled upon the Hulk official Discussion thread ;)

[JP]

I don't see what was wrong with it...

-TNC

The movie itself, I loved.

That whole thing at the end just didn't seem to fit in with me.

[CapBeerCino]

So now we have some real x3 new and the biggest Cyclops spoiler out there is still the fact he'll be wearing his visor. Worried? me? naaaaaaah...

[the a1ant]

So now we have some real x3 new and the biggest Cyclops spoiler out there is still the fact he'll be wearing his visor. Worried? me? naaaaaaah...

Hopefully his visor never come off...and if it does...Jean-y, you better get yo powers in check! :ghost:

[MattC]

Scott is going to be torn if Xavier dies first. He is like a father figure to him and Jean is the love of his life. What an awful position to be in.

[CapBeerCino]

Hopefully his visor never come off...and if it does...Jean-y, you better get yo powers in check! :ghost:

I'd love for his visor a come off. then go back on.

[The Batman]

So, is Cyke still gonna die?

[newwaveboy87]

So, is Cyke still gonna die?

it's unknown.

[Duneboy]

personally, Cyclops has always been one of my favorite X Men & I seriously hope to see more of him in action in the next film. As much as I love the 1st two, they do seem to show all the light on Wolverine. It's a shame.

[CapBeerCino]

personally, Cyclops has always been one of my favorite X Men & I seriously hope to see more of him in action in the next film. As much as I love the 1st two, they do seem to show all the light on Wolverine. It's a shame.

Don't you worry. Not all of the spotlight will be on Wolverine in x3. some of it will be on Storm...
And I said it before, but Wolverine + Storm = Yuck!

[TheVileOne]

Fact: Singer had flaws in his X-Men films.

Ratner can be the one to fix them. But that is your opinion. I see Singer's films and I see great movies but they are far from perfection.

There's no evidence to support he will fix them.

What if he just creates new flaws instead?

And if it wasn't for Singer...Ratner wouldn't have even gotten the chance in the first place.

X-men 1 and X-men 2 might have had to be done very quickly, the first X-men especially but the reason they worked was because of guys like Singer and DeSanto despite Fox. Neither of those guys are working on this movie.

X-men 2 also had a story and a script in the works long before they started doing one for X-men 3. They started developing it like right after X-men came out.

[RedIsNotBlue]

There's no evidence to support he will fix them.

What if he just creates new flaws instead?

And if it wasn't for Singer...Ratner wouldn't have even gotten the chance in the first place.

X-men 1 and X-men 2 might have had to be done very quickly, the first X-men especially but the reason they worked was because of guys like Singer and DeSanto despite Fox. Neither of those guys are working on this movie.

X-men 2 also had a story and a script in the works long before they started doing one for X-men 3. They started developing it like right after X-men came out.

I didn't say he wouldn't creat new flaws or fix them. I simply said that Singer HAS made mistakes with the franchise and Ratner could POSSIBLY excel in the areas Singer didn't.

[Ions]

I didn't say he wouldn't creat new flaws or fix them. I simply said that Singer HAS made mistakes with the franchise and Ratner could POSSIBLY excel in the areas Singer didn't.But then if he does excel in some areas Singer doesn't, then there will be areas he's deficient in that Singer excel's at. So there isn't some win-win scenario.

[CapBeerCino]

Feels like no matter how many times Fox will state the third movie picks up where x2 ended, x3 will be nothing like the first two. Better or worst? only time will tell...

[RedIsNotBlue]

But then if he does excel in some areas Singer doesn't, then there will be areas he's deficient in that Singer excel's at. So there isn't some win-win scenario.

If he does excel in those areas that doesn't automatically mean that whatever Singer was good at he will screw up. I think Ratner will take what Singer did best and apply his own vision to the things that needed work. I mean isn't that what Singer is basically doing with SR. ;)

[grey_jeanie]

I think Singer did a fantastic job. Nomatter what Ratner does some people will always find faults with it.

As for Logan and Storm - together - do me a favour and pass me the sick bag whilst your at it. I'd be pucking and laughing at the same time.

Hang on, I know I said Singer did a great job, but whilst we're on Storm is it me or did the writers so obviously struggle to find things for Storm to do and got her to do things that could have been done better by the others in X2. Like when she made it so cold inside Striker's cerebro that Jason relinquished his grasp on Xavier's mind. I don't really see how that worked as well as it did. There probably was a smarter way of sorting that predicament out.
Storm's powers can only be apreciated on a grand scale, out in the open, like when she made the twisters which destroyed the two fighter jets, now that was well done I think.

Back to Cycops, I think he is a good actor, the scene in the x-jet after Jean's 'death' blew me away. I think it was a fault by the writers who didn't characterise him how I would have liked or give him any opportunities in which to shine.

[Ions]

If Scott survives X-3, we might see more of him next time. Assuming his role in SR does well enough for him in the mainstream audiences.
I don't think Ratner has proven himself to be a better director than Singer, which he would need to be to be as good as Singer at what Singer does well, and then be better in in other areas Singer isn't too.

[RedIsNotBlue]

If Scott survives X-3, we might see more of him next time. Assuming his role in SR does well enough for him in the mainstream audiences.
I don't think Ratner has proven himself to be a better director than Singer, which he would need to be to be as good as Singer at what Singer does well, and then be better in in other areas Singer isn't too.

Singer lacks the comic book expertise, knowledge and equal development among characters. I am not bashing Singer or saying he isn't a good director but he does have his weak points. I think this is something Ratner has more of. Just take a look at what Singer did with Storm and listen to the rumors and set reports of X3. I think we might actually see Storm this time around.

[CapBeerCino]

I think we might actually see Storm this time around.

Maybe, but if so - it's Halle's doing, not Ratner's.
She's in a position to make the rules and she said time and time again she wants a bigger role and she wants to fly.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Maybe, but if so - it's Halle's doing, not Ratner's.
She's in a position to make the rules and she said time and time again she wants a bigger role and she wants to fly.

Ratner has the power to portray Storm how he wants so he does have a part in how she turns out.

[Ions]

Singer lacks the comic book expertise, knowledge and equal development among characters. I am not bashing Singer or saying he isn't a good director but he does have his weak points. I think this is something Ratner has more of. Just take a look at what Singer did with Storm and listen to the rumors and set reports of X3. I think we might actually see Storm this time around.Comic book expertise? Wtf? When did Ratner write comics? Or make a comic movie? Or produce a comic cartoon series? Or ever do anything related to comics? Oh that's right he says he's a comics fan. So that automatically makes him better for the job? You know with all the disagreement fans have among themselves about what they do and don't like and think are 'correct' about their comics(and continuity there of). It's a reach to trust what he might think is the 'right' X-men to adapt.
If Stacy X is one of his favourite X-men characters then I wouldn't trust him more than any other director just because he says he likes/collects comics. You might find out you and he have VERY different ideas about X-men and the characters and how to adapt them.

If Singer had his way Storm wouldn't of been there at all, and we would of had more screen time for the rest of the main cast. Wouldn't of been a bad move. You know, focus on the core cast you have. Rather than push Halle into a role, into the film and give the character a mediocre appearance because she doesn't really fit into the film at all(infact her scenes could be easily rewritten with Jean or Scott there was no real depth to them). What Singer "did to Storm" was have Fox mandate her into the film. He's not in the wrong here, Fox's behaviour on the other hand could be interpreted as such.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Visually, Singer is a very clever director.
X-Men owes alot of it's sucess to the style Singer created for them. The leather and the 'cold metal' aesthetic worked wonders for brining X-Men into a real world sense. And made them ultimately recognisable to non comic fans aswell.

Another director might have shoved them all in civilian clothes and done away with that 'cold metal' stylings particularly in key scenes like: the mansion basement, opening scene in the parliamentary house, and final scene at liberty island.

That's a pretty easy way to give them real world aesthetics, just put them in civvies, maybe make a joke about Ororo's 'Storm' powers, and then send them off to fight a holocaust survivor who has the powers to bend really big spoons.

Singer had a vision for the X-Men, and the franchise owes alot of it's sucess to him, the cast might not have been perfect in alot of peoples eyes but they are still a damn good cast that excelled at the material given, there were no actors that didn't 'become' their characters in the first to films. This is partly due to their quality as performers, but it's alot to do with Singer's vision, his understanding of the characters he wanted to portray, and his ability to inspire that vision into his actors.

Singer is a damn good director, The Usual Suspects was only his third film (X-Men was his 5th) and even then he was getting the best out of his actors, crafting excellent set pieces, and setting benchmarks for visual kinetics in cinema (think 'Kaiser Sose' and the boat exploding). And who picked the twist at the end of Suspects? Yes, that is partly due to the brilliant script, but it is also due to Singer's excellent grasp of subtlety, and his understanding of the control the visual and the audio has over story structure and the narrative.

Singer may not have originally been as die hard an X-Men fan as Ratner seems to be, but he became one (note his alleged involvement in the X-Men 2.5 DVD, and his upcoming scripts for the Ultimate X-Men comic book), and more importantly he translated what was so exciting and appealing about the comics, and moved it to a cinematic audience.

Ratner I have alot of hope in. For me, the only film of his (that I have seen) that has convinced me that he can create a decent X-Men film is Red Dragon, which continued the Hannibal Lector story and I felt Ratner did a better job of mimicking the style and behaviour of the characters (as set up in Silence of the Lambs) then Ridley Scott did in Hannibal.
He knows how to make a memorable scene work, (the eating of the painting in Red Dragon, I thought was memorable and a little off putting), and he may not be able to get as much out of his characters as some 'higher' tier directors can, but luckily by the third movie the actors should know what the film requires of them and be able to help Ratner out a little in this respect.
I think Ratner can make this movie brilliant, and if not 'brilliant', definetely enjoyable and entertaining, he is definetely capable. A part of me is doubting that he'll ever have the vision that Singer had, but I think, given the grand scale that seems to have been required for the third film, and given the time restraints placed on this film by the FOX 'higher ups', it's not so much Vision that Ratner needs, but sheer, unhinging, dedication, dedication, dedication.

[uberdave]

I'd love for his visor a come off. then go back on.

I'd like to see a scene similar to what they did in Evolution where during a battle with Juggernaught, Cyclops takes off his visor completely to try and hit Juggy with as strong of a blast as possible.

[TheVileOne]

Singer lacks the comic book expertise, knowledge and equal development among characters. I am not bashing Singer or saying he isn't a good director but he does have his weak points. I think this is something Ratner has more of. Just take a look at what Singer did with Storm and listen to the rumors and set reports of X3. I think we might actually see Storm this time around.

You have no evidence to support this. You also have no evidence to support that Ratner HAS those qualities other than that he says he's an X-men fan and reads the comics. I've yet to hear him talk in depth about X-men and the characters at all and demonstrate any sort of impressive knowledge or grasp of them.

You guys keep blaming what he did with Storm on Bryan Singer, maybe Halle Berry just is bad at playing empowered, strong female types? She was the worst part of Die Another Day.

[RedIsNotBlue]

You have no evidence to support this. You also have no evidence to support that Ratner HAS those qualities other than that he says he's an X-men fan and reads the comics. I've yet to hear him talk in depth about X-men and the characters at all and demonstrate any sort of impressive knowledge or grasp of them.

You guys keep blaming what he did with Storm on Bryan Singer, maybe Halle Berry just is bad at playing empowered, strong female types? She was the worst part of Die Another Day.

What the hell? Some of you people on hear can't comprehend what people are saying huh? I never said I have evidence to support this or Ratner has those qualities for sure. Just that it is a possibility. I just think from my point of view that it is a strong possibility. And maybe he has yet to talk about the X-Men because he is busy enough as it is to be doing interviews. He is on a tight enough schedule it is and I see it as him working hard on the film.

And about Storm. It has been debated over and over and I have stated and so have others like LightningStrikez on how Singer screwed up Storm. Of course you can say that Halle played a part on it too but so did Singer.

[TheVileOne]

What the hell? Some of you people on hear can't comprehend what people are saying huh? I never said I have evidence to support this or Ratner has those qualities for sure. Just that it is a possibility. I just think from my point of view that it is a strong possibility. And maybe he has yet to talk about the X-Men because he is busy enough as it is to be doing interviews. He is on a tight enough schedule it is and I see it as him working hard on the film.

The way you talk about these things like in the post I quoted you seemed to KNOW that Singer lacked all those qualities. And you think Ratner does.

Why? I've yet to see Ratner prove he has any credibility regarding X-men other than saying he's a fan. That's not proof in my eyes. Singer proved to me he became a die-hard fan by creating the X-men movie franchise.

I think some people here are just happy that the Rush Hour guy is doing an X-men movie and you are giddy over the prospect of getting the dumb X-men action movie they always wanted.


And about Storm. It has been debated over and over and I have stated and so have others like LightningStrikez on how Singer screwed up Storm. Of course you can say that Halle played a part on it too but so did Singer.

So what about Storm? Look at everything else that he nailed! Look at Nightcrawler in X-men 2. Wolverine. Jean Grey. Professor Xavier. Magneto. The list goes on and on, and all you guys can do is just harp about Storm.

The movies were brilliant, even if Storm wasn't a Goddess or the star you Halle Berry marks wanted her to be.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The way you talk about these things like in the post I quoted you seemed to KNOW that Singer lacked all those qualities. And you think Ratner does.

Why? I've yet to see Ratner prove he has any credibility regarding X-men other than saying he's a fan. That's not proof in my eyes. Singer proved to me he became a die-hard fan by creating the X-men movie franchise.

I think some people here are just happy that the Rush Hour guy is doing an X-men movie and you are giddy over the prospect of getting the dumb X-men action movie they always wanted.



So what about Storm? Look at everything else that he nailed! Look at Nightcrawler in X-men 2. Wolverine. Jean Grey. Professor Xavier. Magneto. The list goes on and on, and all you guys can do is just harp about Storm.

The movies were brilliant, even if Storm wasn't a Goddess or the star you Halle Berry marks wanted her to be.


Nope. I don't KNOW anything. My thoughts on Ratner and Singer are simply my OPINION. I THINK Singer lacks in character development. And I THINK Ratner could POSSIBLY be better at getting it on film. That clear enough for you?

And your right. We haven't seen anything that shows that Ratner is making a great X-Men film. I am just going by things we have hear, news, and my own personal feelings. And let me make this clear. I am still on the fence about Ratner myself. I am just trying to find things I think will turn out positive.

And yes. The Singer X-Men films were great. BUT...they could have been better. They lacked in areas.

[TheVileOne]

Nope. I don't KNOW anything. My thoughts on Ratner and Singer are simply my OPINION. I THINK Singer lacks in character development. And I THINK Ratner could POSSIBLY be better at getting it on film. That clear enough for you?

That sounds pretty hollow when the X-men movies themselves took on a focus on character and story over action.


And your right. We haven't seen anything that shows that Ratner is making a great X-Men film. I am just going by things we have hear, news, and my own personal feelings. And let me make this clear. I am still on the fence about Ratner myself. I am just trying to find things I think will turn out positive.


Its not about him making a great X-men film. Specifically its about him having any knowledge of the comics or expertise that you say Singer LACKED! I've yet to see him prove or demonstrate any of that. And you think he can FIX it.


And yes. The Singer X-Men films were great. BUT...they could have been better. They lacked in areas.

So what? Like you said they were great. There's always room for improvement, but you know what? Maybe if the folks at Fox weren't so uptight and pussy about Batman and Robin that wouldn't be the case. Not EVERYTHING is Singer's fault.

[RedIsNotBlue]

That sounds pretty hollow when the X-men movies themselves took on a focus on character and story over action.



Its not about him making a great X-men film. Specifically its about him having any knowledge of the comics or expertise that you say Singer LACKED! I've yet to see him prove or demonstrate any of that. And you think he can FIX it.



So what? Like you said they were great. There's always room for improvement, but you know what? Maybe if the folks at Fox weren't so uptight and pussy about Batman and Robin that wouldn't be the case. Not EVERYTHING is Singer's fault.


I know Singer focused on story and development. But it was all unbalanced. Some characters got too much and some got too little. And despite what you think I don't want a big dumb action movie. I thought the action in the first X-Men movies was decent.

Okay...jesus. I guess I have to type in all caps to get it through your thick skull. I NEVER SAID I HAVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT RATNER HAS SKILLS TO FIX THINGS SINGER LACKED IN. IT IS JUST MY OPINION THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY HE CAN FROM RUMORS, NEWS, AND MY OWN FEELINGS.

And I never said everything was Singer's fault but some things are.

[CapBeerCino]

I'd like to see a scene similar to what they did in Evolution where during a battle with Juggernaught, Cyclops takes off his visor completely to try and hit Juggy with as strong of a blast as possible.

It turned out very poorly for him, if it weren't for Rogue to the rescue...

[aaron]

cyclops needs a battle against magneto i think....i think he coiuld blame what happened to jean on magneto

[CapBeerCino]

i think he coiuld blame what happened to jean on magneto


How so?

[Electrix]

Its nobody fault that she got powerful...Its Xaviers fault for blocking her powers without her permission, which will probably turn her evil.

[aaron]

How so?

dunno...lol

maybe cos strykers dead, next best one

[CapBeerCino]

That still wouldn't explain her turning evil.

[CapBeerCino]

dunno...lol

maybe cos strykers dead, next best one

What's with the sig? Did you really see that movie? And didn't fall asleep?

[aaron]

That still wouldn't explain her turning evil.
ahh i dunno what im talking about. im not talking about how it would turn her evil

[aaron]

What's with the sig? Did you really see that movie? And didn't fall asleep?
i saw like 45 mins, then turned it off

[TheVileOne]

I know Singer focused on story and development. But it was all unbalanced. Some characters got too much and some got too little. And despite what you think I don't want a big dumb action movie. I thought the action in the first X-Men movies was decent.

Okay...jesus. I guess I have to type in all caps to get it through your thick skull. I NEVER SAID I HAVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT RATNER HAS SKILLS TO FIX THINGS SINGER LACKED IN. IT IS JUST MY OPINION THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY HE CAN FROM RUMORS, NEWS, AND MY OWN FEELINGS.

What I'm trying to understand is how you came up with this opinion.

[uberdave]

It turned out very poorly for him, if it weren't for Rogue to the rescue...

True, but I think it would be a cool visual nonetheless...

[aaron]

True, but I think it would be a cool visual nonetheless...
oh yeah definitely

[Kurosawa]

It turned out very poorly for him, if it weren't for Rogue to the rescue...

Better yet is the scene from the X-Men's first battle against Juggernaut where Cyke uses judo to turn Juggy's own momentum against him and flip him.

Of course, I don't expect Cyclops to do much more in this travesty of a movie but to show up and either get killed or incapacitated, but I can always dream.

[TNC9852002]

Expect the unexpected!.. :eek:

-TNC

[EnSabahNur]

Cyclops should have a gun

[Retroman]

Posted this in the Cast thread i think it should go in this one too.
Marsden joins another all-star ensemble cast. :up: (Check who's in this one! :eek: )

From Reuters:
Macy, Hunt, Slater join RFK campaign

Mon Nov 7, 2005 5:50 AM ET

By Borys Kit

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - William H. Macy, Helen Hunt, Christian Slater, Joshua Jackson and James Marsden have been enlisted for "Bobby," Emilio Estevez's project about the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.

Estevez's father, Martin Sheen, and Joy Bryant are in negotiations to join the project, which Estevez wrote and is directing.

The film chronicles the intertwining lives of a grand cast of characters at Los Angeles' Ambassador Hotel in the hours leading up to Kennedy's assassination. Anthony Hopkins, Demi Moore, Sharon Stone, Elijah Wood, Lindsay Lohan, Shia LaBeouf, Nick Cannon, Freddy Rodriguez and Brian Geraghty already are cast in the film, currently shooting in Los Angeles. Estevez also has a role.

Macy plays the hotel's manager, and Slater is the bigoted food and beverage manager. Jackson ("Dawson's Creek") plays the head of the Los Angeles chapter of the Youth for Kennedy brigade, while Marsden ("Superman Returns") is a man whose brother is being drafted into war.

Sheen would portray a wealthy East Coast financier staying at the hotel with his wife (Hunt). Bryant ("Get Rich or Die Tryin"') will play a switchboard operator.

Reuters/Hollywood ReporterSource: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=filmNews&storyID=2005-11-07T105002Z_01_RID738868_RTRIDST_0_FILM-BOBBY-FILM-DC.XML

[Ions]

Expect the unexpected!.. :eek:

-TNCWell, perhaps with the rest of the cast. With Cyke I think "Expect the underwhelming" would be a better catchphrase. ;)

[Ions]

Posted this in the Cast thread i think it should go in this one too.
Marsden joins another all-star ensemble cast. :up: (Check who's in this one! :eek: )

From Reuters:
Source: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=filmNews&storyID=2005-11-07T105002Z_01_RID738868_RTRIDST_0_FILM-BOBBY-FILM-DC.XML
You know what would be truly funny. If James get's more screentime/better character development in that movie than he does in X-men 3. :cyclops: :)

[fazeforce]

I think Estevez shoulda cast Marsden as Bobby Kennedy - I could buy that. I'm sure he can pull off a Hell of a Kennedy impersonation, anyways...

[TNC9852002]

William H. Macy, Helen Hunt, Christian Slater, Joshua Jackson, James Marsden, Martin Sheen, Joy Bryant, Anthony Hopkins, Demi Moore, Sharon Stone, Elijah Wood, Lindsay Lohan, Shia LaBeouf, Nick Cannon, Freddy Rodriguez

Holy crap, what a cast!...I haven't seen a cast like that since Sin City.. :p

Well, perhaps with the rest of the cast. With Cyke I think "Expect the underwhelming" would be a better catchphrase. ;)
You're such a ruthless pessimist.. :mad:

-TNC

[Angry Sentinel]

Expect the unexpected!.. :eek:

-TNC

Cyclops should have a gun :o

Xmen 3: Mardsen Goes Postal
:up:

[heck13r]

as far as the Ratner debate all im goin on as far as saying this is a crap movie is the 8 billion characters, the early spillage that cyclops wouldnt be a big deal, and the rumors hes goin to bite it..and the rush, rush schedule.. and not that i got the jollies fer cyke or anything .. my nerdness just cant handle a pheonix movie without much cyclops... just aint right ..like peanut butter on potatoes.

i dont think ratners a crap director so much as hes gotta be a *****in one to direct 8billion people in huge complicated action movie with such a rush schedule. and those writers gave cyclops crap parts in the last 2 movies..so i dont trust them lol.. although i like those movies just not the lack of cyke parts. i like the actor who plays him tho.

[ShadowBoxing]

Cyclops should have a gun...and then should proceed to shoot Ratner (mostly for all the films he did prior to X3:mad: )

[cookiva]

...and then should proceed to shoot Ratner (mostly for all the films he did prior to X3:mad: )

Why?

[EnSabahNur]

Red Dragon was good right?
And Prison break the Tv Series is doing good right?
Rush Hour 1 & 2 are Hilarious movies with action and are really popular movies....

[TNC9852002]

Hey!...I liked Money Talks and Family Man!.. :mad:

-TNC

[cookiva]

There has been alot of stuff that Ratner has done that is good. People just dont consider him a good director compared to Singer.

[EnSabahNur]

Hey!...I liked Money Talks and Family Man!.. :mad:

-TNC i forgot he did those movies and they were awesome! but im heading to bed all later

[cookiva]

Cya En!

[TNC9852002]

There has been alot of stuff that Ratner has done that is good. People just dont consider him a good director compared to Singer.
People only seem to know "good" or "bad" directors... :o

-TNC

[aaron]

isnt anyone average?

[Ions]

You're such a ruthless pessimist.. :mad:

-TNCOh come on now, I was only teasing you. You need to relax and not take everything so seriously. :)

[Angry Sentinel]

isnt anyone average? It would seem to A LOT of people, average also = BAD... Don't know why.

This is becoming a very common theme across many topics

[TNC9852002]

Oh come on now, I was only teasing you. You need to relax and not take everything so seriously. :)
I guess I thought saying something like "ruthless pessimistic" was something to be taken lightly.. :p

-TNC

[Ions]

I guess I thought saying something like "ruthless pessimistic" was something to be taken lightly.. :p

-TNC:o[Ions gets owned by TNC]:(
I should of figured it out myself. If you really meant it you would of said "ruthlessly cynical". :o [Ions isn't pessimistic, he's cynical]

[TNC9852002]

I guess they do tend to go hand in hand... :eek: :p

-TNC

[Lazmarquez]

Just a Cyclops inclusive poster idea I posted over in the X-Manips Thread that i thought deserved to be adopted by the nice folks in here :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/cykeposter.jpg

[newwaveboy87]

it's a tiny red x - just so you know - might wanna fix it there buddy

[TNC9852002]

I can see it..

-TNC

[newwaveboy87]

he fixed it

[Almighty Pejo]

I can see it just fine, and it's very nice! Good job, Laz!

[TNC9852002]

he fixed it
I'm pretty sure that I saw it last night too...Unless it was posted somewhere else..

-TNC

[Kmack]

Nice:)

[newwaveboy87]

I'm pretty sure that I saw it last night too...Unless it was posted somewhere else..

-TNC
manips thread

[Octoberist]

That's a good poster, Laz. I just hope that Cyclops gets to use his eye beams in X3 :p

[CapBeerCino]

Yey! First Cyclops manip!

[Lazmarquez]

Yep, I posted it in the Manips Thread a couple of days ago and figured I should post it here as well.. I found this great image of Cyclops randomly the other day and had to use it. Sometimes it's so hard finding good quality images of the characters. :(

[CapBeerCino]

Wow, Laz, you're 1 post away from hitting that 300...

[Lazmarquez]

I did it! 300 haha!

[CapBeerCino]

Best x3 avvy! :up: Congrat Laz!

[newwaveboy87]

yay! congrats Laz on your 300!

[Lazmarquez]

yay! congrats Laz on your 300!

haha! Thanks man, I never thought i'd make it. I feel all so very accomplished.. BUT, back to Cyclops talk, he's already too under-rated darnit!

[newwaveboy87]

no joke - poor guy. but he has had some quality scenes in the franchise thus far, i just hope they give him a chance to shine in this one.

[Lazmarquez]

I wouldn't hold my breath. The fact that he has MAJOR other obligations assures us we may not see much of the Cyke-Meister... :(

[CapBeerCino]

990 posts on this thread! Not bad! (We have so little to work with...)

I must say this is my fav thread in SHH!:up:

[Endeavor]

Just a Cyclops inclusive poster idea I posted over in the X-Manips Thread that i thought deserved to be adopted by the nice folks in here :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/cykeposter.jpg


Beautiful!

Thank you Laz :D

[Downhere]

Nice Manip Laz.

[CapBeerCino]

You got me in the mood for some Cyclops pics:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/x2__x_men_united/james_marsden/xmen.jpg


http://www.jamesmarsden.330.ca/gallery/magazines/teenmovieline/teenmovieline-summer2000-05.jpg

http://images.killermovies.com/x/xmen3/james_marsden.jpg

http://www.themedicinewheel.net/recs_files/comics_wolverine_cyclops.jpg

http://www.dqshrine.com/dq/dq2/cyclops.jpg


Hey if I can't have an avatar, at least I have this...

[spark627]

sigh... james marsden is beautiful

[CapBeerCino]

Yeah, he is almost too pretty.

[spark627]

edit

[spark627]

i know, its scarey lol

check out heights, its a great movie and he is beautiful in it

[CapBeerCino]

Really? The only thing that kept me from it was the 'more then one storyline' - I never enjoy such movies...

[CapBeerCino]

But I believe you when you say he is beautiful in it-http://wray-productions.com/marsden3a.jpg

[TNC9852002]

http://www.dqshrine.com/dq/dq2/cyclops.jpg
LMAO :p

-TNC

[Downhere]

This is a cool pic of ol' cyke...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/Gladiator84/cyclops.jpg

Here's another cool one...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/Gladiator84/cyclops-sonic.jpg lol


and here is the real cyclops...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/Gladiator84/cyclops2.jpg

[Minisinoo]

Guys, please don't hotlink images without the site owner's permission. At least one of the images (Cyke and Wolvie) is from my site (The Medicine Wheel). People hosting the image PAY for the bandwidth.

Thanks.

[Ions]

Not really sure what those two guys are trying to accomplish in that photo.

So Cyke in X-3, is he dead or what? :p

[Angry Sentinel]

^ you could call him "Doornail"

double :p

[CapBeerCino]

and here is the real cyclops...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/Gladiator84/cyclops2.jpg

Where on earth did this happen?