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Optic Rage
04-20-2006, 01:43 PM
Cam someone fill me in on what i missed in the last 3 days?
sparky_parker
04-20-2006, 01:49 PM
Cam someone fill me in on what i missed in the last 3 days?
well..... been doing alot of drinking seeing as i've been off all week then had a bit of a gamble down at the track and the........ OH!!! you mean on the boards!!!! whoops!
DarknessOfDeath
04-20-2006, 02:15 PM
im gonna go home. Ttyl tonight.
Optic Rage
04-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Um...im sure im not the only one thinking this..but Darkness you dont need to tell us EVERY SINGLE THING you are doing...
Its Spamming and is kinda annoying...
taintedFB
04-20-2006, 02:26 PM
Shroud yourself in mystery, DOD. Works for me! HA!
I'm starting to think that Scott doesn't randomly shoot at the lake. I think A LOT more goes on there, than what we're seeing. It's been around six months since X2. AFTER all that time, he just decides to go and shoot at the water?
Maybe he shoots after being knocked down? And maybe that scream into the sky is because someone or something is coming or flying away from him! I dont know that he'd wait that long to vent and that he'd still be that MAD. He'd be sad, but I think after that much time, the anger subsides...
It'll be interesting to see just what goes on and what is actually shown!
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 02:38 PM
Shroud yourself in mystery, DOD. Works for me! HA!
I'm starting to think that Scott doesn't randomly shoot at the lake. I think A LOT more goes on there, than what we're seeing. It's been around six months since X2. AFTER all that time, he just decides to go and shoot at the water?
Maybe he shoots after being knocked down? And maybe that scream into the sky is because someone or something is coming or flying away from him! I dont know that he'd wait that long to vent and that he'd still be that MAD. He'd be sad, but I think after that much time, the anger subsides...
It'll be interesting to see just what goes on and what is actually shown!
Maybe he feels her presence...
And it's after 6 months after Jeans "death", right???
The memorial could be for Jean...I know we have memorial 6 months after the funeral..
So he is reminded of her...
Pretty good reason for me to blast the lake...
As for taking his glasses off after being knocked back...well, it doesn't feet in the picture I think...
Endeavor
04-20-2006, 04:31 PM
edit: Nevermind
CapBeerCino
04-20-2006, 05:07 PM
With everyone in a scare over the movie run time I cant help but think 'they are having a go in being a Cyke fan during x-3' a lil nasty I know, but im not over the 'Cyke fans are whiny' just yet :p
taintedFB
04-20-2006, 05:42 PM
Honestly, I think the fact that its that short means that they were able to cram a lot in a little time! Like Jimmy, alot of Scott in little time!
cyke93
04-20-2006, 06:50 PM
Jean's evolution didn't have to be blatantly blasted into your face to make it a very important part of the movie.
Nightcrawler's relationship with Storm was sidelined at best, and hardly that impactful to the overall importance of the story. The only payoff from it was Storm's "I have faith" line, to get him to teleport her into Cerebro, where Nightcrawler's saving of Rogue had no importance to the story, but was rather there for a special effects shot.
Nightcrawler had 2 important scenes, really. The opening scene in the White House, and the church scene, where the truth behind the attack was revealed.
Meanwhile, throughout the story, Jean was developing as a character, for a payoff that had not just significance for that movie, but significance to the trilogy as a whole, and is leading to an even bigger payoff in X-Men 3, whereas Nightcrawler is absent.
Don't get me wrong. I love Nightcrawler in the comics, I love him in the movie. I wish he was in X-Men 3. But overall, he was in X2 to add something new to the mix. Jean Grey was a much more significant character. She might not have had all the big special effects shots, but she was definatley a major factor.
in x2, nightcrawlers role was just the beg. to attack the president.. unlike rouge, magneto's plans for her lasted till the end of the movie.
Bishop2
04-20-2006, 07:19 PM
I've always said that this movie has too many freaking characters in it... and now, with the supposed runtime out there, I understand even less how that works.
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 07:22 PM
Yeah...I feel the same way..
cyke93
04-20-2006, 07:23 PM
too many characters too much focus on wolverine .. talk about an inequality
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 07:27 PM
Yeah...
Wolverine gets almost as much attention and screen time as all the other characters do together.
PhePhe112
04-20-2006, 07:39 PM
I love Hugh and I love that he plays Wolverine so well, but I'm kinda sick of the character and all the attention he get's in the movies. The Movies are Called "X-MEN" not "WOLVERINE". IMO, they should have named it that in the first place.
PhePhe112
04-20-2006, 07:39 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/wombat99//cyclops.JPG
Say ah?
/paris hilton Thats hot! /end paris hilton
I love that Cyclops pic. :up:
BobJM
04-20-2006, 07:46 PM
When I first saw it, I thought it was some random psycho. It doesn't even look like Jimmy. Well, maybe thats because I only know Marsden with glasses on. Oh well...
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 07:50 PM
He's really different without the glasses.
He's really funny...and not at all "Cyclops serious"
taintedFB
04-20-2006, 08:20 PM
Plus, that's not exactly an expression you get often....LOL!
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 08:23 PM
^Exactly;)
the_scream
04-20-2006, 08:51 PM
I love Hugh and I love that he plays Wolverine so well, but I'm kinda sick of the character and all the attention he get's in the movies. The Movies are Called "X-MEN" not "WOLVERINE". IMO, they should have named it that in the first place.
I agree. Wolverine used to be my second favourite character (after Gambit) and I loved his portrayal by Jackman in X1. But I had more than my fill of him in X2 and started to become annoyed that Cyclops dissapeared and Gambit was left out in order to have more Wolverine scenes. Yeah, I know he is the heart of the story (even when he isn't in a scene, they are talking about him). For instance, there is that scene with Magneto and Xavier and Magneto accuses Picard (:) ) that he has taken Logan on board to make up for his failure with that other mutant.
Now, I'm a big Cykes supporter because it is long overdue that he had some screentime. But what do we get: promotional posters with an X and 3 claws (*rolls eyes*), every poster dominated by Wolverine and the trailers and photos portraying him every second. I'va had my fill. It is enough to put a Wolverine fan, like myself, off for good.
Superman \S/
04-20-2006, 09:07 PM
All these Cyclops avatars are awesome. :eek:
Superman \S/
04-20-2006, 09:08 PM
Nice pic of Cyke btw.
Jager X
04-20-2006, 09:10 PM
:up:
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 09:17 PM
All these Cyclops avatars are awesome. :eek:
Weatherwitch and Lex made mine!!!
The Joker
04-20-2006, 10:49 PM
With the revelation of the running time for X-3,there's not a doubt it my mind that Cyclops will be a brief glimpse on the screen.
Nothing more.
SCOTT&JEAN
04-20-2006, 10:52 PM
I still maintain my hopes for him.
Just don't ask me why right now.
Bishop2
04-20-2006, 11:10 PM
I've been rewatching the first X-Men movie, and it's really forced me to ponder... why exactly DOES Logan hate Scott so much?
He first declares his distaste for Scott when Jean shows him the bedroom. "Is that your power, putting up with that guy?" Before that moment, he's only had two scenes with Cyclops...
1) Logan is unconscious and Scott saves his ass from the truck exploding.
2) Scott introduces himself politely in Xavier's office, Logan promptly attempts to manhandle him.
So uh, why does he hate Scott again? Why does he think there would be any problem "putting up with that guy"? Is it because Scott tries to shake his hand, and Logan TOTALLY DESPISES DIRTY HAND-SHAKERS? Or is it just because, one second before he said that line of dialogue, he found out that Scott was with Jean, and he automatically hates anyone who's tapping that fine ass? I'm leaning towards the latter.
Wolvie, you're a real dick.
wolverine never hated cyclops, he woke up in a strange place with abunch of people with funny names. Thats how Logan acts, he didn't know these people.
Bishop2
04-20-2006, 11:14 PM
wolverine never hated cyclops, he woke up in a strange place with abunch of people with funny names. Thats how Logan acts, he didn't know these people.
Then what does the line of dialogue about "putting up with that guy," and later calling him a "dick" even mean? No, he definitely hates Cyclops right from the start.
bishop2 he disliked him, but "hate" come on now. And the "dick" line was funny as hell, as was the middle claw thing Logan did to cyclops lol. Logan and cyclops are two different people, and hench they clash.
Optic Rage
04-20-2006, 11:23 PM
Wolverine likes to be the Alpha Male...so he tried to dominate Cyclops....but he quickly found out it wasnt gonna happen.
Bishop2
04-20-2006, 11:26 PM
bishop2 he disliked him, but "hate" come on now. And the "dick" line was funny as hell, as was the middle claw thing Logan did to cyclops lol. Logan and cyclops are two different people, and hench they clash.
The fact remains that he immediately dislikes Cyclops in a way that he never shows dislike/hate towards Storm or Jean or Xavier. Why is that? Based on the evidence... well, there isn't any evidence. They encounter each other twice before he decides to actively dislike Scott, and barely exchange any dialogue. It makes no sense.
well hes wolverine, and hes the best at what he does. Logan has to lead the X-men in the movies, and still have time to pimp Jean grey. It takes alot for one man to do so much, and not to mention mystique wants him and storm does to. Besides Logan can't do all this and maintain good relations with all members of his team. Cyke has to undertsand in the movies Logans in charge, and he has to get whats left of Jean after Logans done with her lol. But serously, maybe Wolverine didn't like the smell of Cyclops in X-1?
Redd_Angel
04-20-2006, 11:37 PM
i think wolverine "hates" cyclops because cyclops is supposedly the leader, and he doesn't really like authority figures. he's a loner, and he likes to do things his way.
i don't think he really HATES cyclops, though. it's more of a pride and ego thing for wolverine. :wolverine
Redd angel i agree exactly thats what i tried to say but you said it better.
cyke93
04-21-2006, 12:35 AM
for the x-men fan, we're so used to having them banter against each other that we didn't really notice that after 2 encounters, logan was already "hating" on cyclops .. and cyclops was just being polite all this time to a certain point .. so now that you mention it, logan was a complete d**k in x1 .. but i think by x2 logan learns to at least be civil with cyclops and in x3, i hope he could show him some respect
Compi716
04-21-2006, 09:29 AM
Guys, I was reading a Wizard X-Men (back when New X-Men first started), and all the writers and artists (except Quietly) of New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men agreed that Cyclops was their favorite character.
Goes to show you something, eh?
Bishop2
04-21-2006, 09:39 AM
As I rewatch these movies... man, there are actually a lot more Cyclops moments that I love in the first one than I remembered.
- Logan grabs Cyclops and attempts to threaten him in Xavier's office. Scott looks him up and down, obviously not feeling the slightest bit threatened, and gives Xavier a look that says "Requesting permission to kick his ass, Professor." That total lack of caring about what Logan is trying to do always amuses me.
- "If I had to do that, she wouldn't be my girl." When Cyke first said this line in the theater back in 2000, the girl next to me said "that's so cool." Heh. Indeed.
- The "You taught me everything in my life that was ever worth knowing/I'll take care of them" scene. A favorite for me out of all the movies.
- Scott's the first one to figure out what Magneto plans to do with Rogue, even when Xavier himself doesn't know it yet. I didn't even realize this until watching it last night. Go Cyclops.
- The little smile as he says "If they have anything that can pick up our jet, they deserve to catch us." It's really more of a moment that I love because I love the Blackbird (sorry, the "X-Jet") than it has anything to do with Cyclops, but still... it's cool. Because I do love the Blackbird. X-Jet. Whatever.
- Scott using precision-aim to blast Toad's phlegm off of Jean's face. Hardcore.
- Scott takes down Magneto. Gotta love it.
Really, the character who got the biggest shaft in the first movie was Storm. She gets to have her "I guess... I'm afraid of them" scene with Kelly and then her infamous confrontation with Toad, but beyond that... yeah, she kind of gets screwed.
LadyBoss
04-21-2006, 09:51 AM
As I rewatch these movies... man, there are actually a lot more Cyclops moments that I love in the first one than I remembered.
- Logan grabs Cyclops and attempts to threaten him in Xavier's office. Scott looks him up and down, obviously not feeling the slightest bit threatened, and gives Xavier a look that says "Requesting permission to kick his ass, Professor." That total lack of caring about what Logan is trying to do always amuses me.
- "If I had to do that, she wouldn't be my girl." When Cyke first said this line in the theater back in 2000, the girl next to me said "that's so cool." Heh. Indeed.
- The "You taught me everything in my life that was ever worth knowing/I'll take care of them" scene. A favorite for me out of all the movies.
- Scott's the first one to figure out what Magneto plans to do with Rogue, even when Xavier himself doesn't know it yet. I didn't even realize this until watching it last night. Go Cyclops.
- The little smile as he says "If they have anything that can pick up our jet, they deserve to catch us." It's really more of a moment that I love because I love the Blackbird (sorry, the "X-Jet") than it has anything to do with Cyclops, but still... it's cool. Because I do love the Blackbird. X-Jet. Whatever.
- Scott using precision-aim to blast Toad's phlegm off of Jean's face. Hardcore.
- Scott takes down Magneto. Gotta love it.
Really, the character who got the biggest shaft in the first movie was Storm. She gets to have her "I guess... I'm afraid of them" scene with Kelly and then her infamous confrontation with Toad, but beyond that... yeah, she kind of gets screwed.
You make all the best points here. There is absolutely not reason for Wolvie to hate Cyclops and there has been little basis for their continued rift. I've always believed that the whole love triangle between Scott/Jean/Logan has been poorly handled because we never understand why it is that Logan is attracted to Jean in the first place. Especially since he has such horrific nightmares about Doctors and Labs. Logically you'd think she'd be the last person he would want to be near. As problematic as it is, it's pretty moot at this point.
We'll never get the answers to those questions...
gambitfire
04-21-2006, 10:04 AM
Why does he blast the lake?
"Stupid water... killed my girlfriend... I HATE YOUSE!!!"
LMAO :D
I'm noticing a pattern here. Cyclops got his shining moments in X1. Storm, sort of, in X2. And now, it's Jean with a bit more Storm thrown in.
But there are some great moments from Cyclops in X2, too. :up: Cyclops versus Deathstrike, Cyclops versus security guards, Cyclops escaping Stryker's base with Xavier, Cyclops versus Jean Grey, Cyclops in the X-jet.
The Batman
04-21-2006, 11:17 AM
why is no one mad about the fact that hugh jackman basically confirmed in total film that X3 is about jean and logans relationship?
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm noticing a pattern here. Cyclops got his shining moments in X1. Storm, sort of, in X2. And now, it's Jean with a bit more Storm thrown in.
But there are some great moments from Cyclops in X2, too. :up: Cyclops versus Deathstrike, Cyclops versus security guards, Cyclops escaping Stryker's base with Xavier, Cyclops versus Jean Grey, Cyclops in the X-jet.
yes, those were a great 5 minutes........:down
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 11:19 AM
why is no one mad about the fact that hugh jackman basically confirmed in total film that X3 is about jean and logans relationship?
when did he say that?
The Batman
04-21-2006, 11:20 AM
when did he say that?
They talk about how the movie is about dealing with someone you love, and he says that logan and jeans relationship goes farther.
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 11:22 AM
They talk about how the movie is about dealing with someone you love, and he says that logan and jeans relationship goes farther.
Yeah, it seems like they made Wolvereine take the part of Cyclops in the Dark Phoenix Storyline for this movie.
Bastila
04-21-2006, 11:25 AM
They talk about how the movie is about dealing with someone you love, and he says that logan and jeans relationship goes farther.
Yeah i just read that its also like the magazines only talk to Huge and Halle or just Huge somtimes i get annoyed by that lol.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 11:25 AM
They talk about how the movie is about dealing with someone you love, and he says that logan and jeans relationship goes farther.
if that is true, this movie is gonna blow, you know, at first, I hated this film, Ratner directing, rushed production, and the internet rumors, then I started to find myself wanting to see it when I joined these SHH boards, I saw the trailers, and my doubt turned to excitement, then all the stuff with cyclops, how it looked like he's comming back, that he doesn't die...... but now, wow, complete 180, the news on the running time, the crap image of cyke on the website (which isn't impressive btw), and now this......... wow, lets change the story around so it involoves logan, that is not what the phoenix saga is about, JEAN DOES NOT kill scott and then get boned by logan in the comics.......... now we are just going to have to wait 9 years for X-men Begins............. I'm sorry if I'm comming off harsh, but this is looking like it's going to be a phantom menence dissapoitment...
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 11:31 AM
I don't think Logan will take Scott's place in the story. They've already established HIS feelings, despite her turninghim down and choosing Scott. I think its more about "Can he bring himself to kill her?" And I think Scott will be the one that is able to bring the Phoenix arc to a conclusion, but since he's gone for most of the movie, it'll be Logan facing off with her and LOSING!
And honestly, I think Logan's nemesis in this one is Juggernaut and Magneto, NOT Phoenix. If anything, she will have a battle with Storm and ultimately face Cyclops and be turned...
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 11:33 AM
I don't think Logan will take Scott's place in the story. They've already established HIS feelings, despite her turninghim down and choosing Scott. I think its more about "Can he bring himself to kill her?" And I think Scott will be the one that is able to bring the Phoenix arc to a conclusion, but since he's gone for most of the movie, it'll be Logan facing off with her and LOSING!
And honestly, I think Logan's nemesis in this one is Juggernaut and Magneto, NOT Phoenix. If anything, she will have a battle with Storm and ultimately face Cyclops and be turned...
I ready to state that I believe cyke dies in the beginning and that's it...... wolverine will be the one who brings jean back to the good side.......... is it me, or if this happens, would it be like Chewbacca bringing Vader back to the good side in ROTJ.......
Bastila
04-21-2006, 11:45 AM
I ready to state that I believe cyke dies in the beginning and that's it...... wolverine will be the one who brings jean back to the good side.......... is it me, or if this happens, would it be like Chewbacca bringing Vader back to the good side in ROTJ.......
Yeah good example and i would be annoyed if that happen really.
TheVileOne
04-21-2006, 11:52 AM
I've never believed that Cyke was going to live, and I still don't.
But either way he's taking a total ejection to a story he should be having a big part in.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 11:53 AM
Yeah good example and i would be annoyed if that happen really.
2015: July 3rd Release................... X-men Begins
Bastila
04-21-2006, 11:54 AM
2015: July 3rd Release................... X-men Begins
I was thinking maybe they should do that see how Cyke and Jean met and how Prof X made the X-men.
CapBeerCino
04-21-2006, 12:00 PM
They talk about how the movie is about dealing with someone you love, and he says that logan and jeans relationship goes farther.
When and where did he say that?
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 12:03 PM
I was thinking maybe they should do that see how Cyke and Jean met and how Prof X made the X-men.
just make sure Fox doesn't produce it, RATner is far away......... give it to Nolan or back to Singer......... X3 will be a hack and slash movie...
when the DVD comes out, the back of the DVD case will say this
"Fox, being pissed at Bryan Singer for leaving the x-franchise to make Superman Returns, decided to rush production on X3. First they got writters to fit as muh plot and action into a movie as possible, but they forgot about character development, but theyweren't done there, then they hired Superman Returns afterbirth, Brett Ratner, to helm to project. Fox then quick relized that they didn't care about the fans, they decide to kill off key characters of the series, and take what should have been a 2.5 hour movie, and shorten it to 1:43 minutes. this movie has become known as, 10 lbs of x-men in a 5 lb x-men bag"
Bastila
04-21-2006, 12:24 PM
when the DVD comes out, the back of the DVD case will say this
"Fox, being pissed at Bryan Singer for leaving the x-franchise to make Superman Returns, decided to rush production on X3. First they got writters to fit as muh plot and action into a movie as possible, but they forgot about character development, but theyweren't done there, then they hired Superman Returns afterbirth, Brett Ratner, to helm to project. Fox then quick relized that they didn't care about the fans, they decide to kill off key characters of the series, and take what should have been a 2.5 hour movie, and shorten it to 1:43 minutes. this movie has become known as, 10 lbs of x-men in a 5 lb x-men bag"
lol that was good.
Octoberist
04-21-2006, 12:36 PM
just make sure Fox doesn't produce it, RATner is far away......... give it to Nolan or back to Singer......... X3 will be a hack and slash movie...
when the DVD comes out, the back of the DVD case will say this
"Fox, being pissed at Bryan Singer for leaving the x-franchise to make Superman Returns, decided to rush production on X3. First they got writters to fit as muh plot and action into a movie as possible, but they forgot about character development, but theyweren't done there, then they hired Superman Returns afterbirth, Brett Ratner, to helm to project. Fox then quick relized that they didn't care about the fans, they decide to kill off key characters of the series, and take what should have been a 2.5 hour movie, and shorten it to 1:43 minutes. this movie has become known as, 10 lbs of x-men in a 5 lb x-men bag"
LOL.
Even though I'm looking foward to X3, I think that Fox was jumping the gun with X3. People can defend Fox or Marvel all they want, but I'm still not a fan of what they're doing.
If X3 sucked, I'll think two things: What would happened if Singer did it, or What would happened if Ratner had more time?
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 12:36 PM
Dude, so jaded, man!
I think X3 is gonna be amazingly good! And I still think Cyclops will play a key role in stopping Phoenix, even if he's not a main character for MOST of the movie. There's a lot going on... and the "love" in that quote applies to the entire team! They are like family and they loved Jean, so to see her spiral into all-powerful madness is gut-wrenching for them all. Especially Logan, who still loves her. Nothing new here, people...
If you note in the article it mentions integral members of the team "missing" NOT DEAD! That I think is the ultimate spoiler that we will not know what happened to Scott for most of the movie! But that he's alive and returns at the end, after the team's been through hell!
BTW, X2 was equally rushed and X1 had a miscule budget and look how good they were. Aaaand, Bryan was never very good at action, and I doubt we'd get the kind of epic war we're getting. Everything happens for a reason...
Spider-jedi
04-21-2006, 12:51 PM
i agree with taintedFB
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 12:57 PM
Thank you Spider-Jedi.
The negativity on this board is astounding some times!
The fact that Cyclops is on a poster marching into battle on the bridge should be enough for people to realize that he comes back. It would actually be pretty stupid to put him in there if he dies ten minutes into the movie and isn't seen again.
Besides, I TRUST Simon, Zak, and Brett, who are all BIG COMIC BOOK FANS! I think they'd feel the same way we do about this stuff. I'm not saying Scott will save the day. It's been said he's different.
Maybe he shows, couldn't care less about the cure, brotherhood, Magneto, even the X-Men. He's there to stop/save Jean, and let Storm and Logan deal with the rest.... Just imagine his mindset during this. Scott will be more than distracted by Phoenix. That is why I think he comes in late, alone, just for Jean and doesn't get involved in the wa around them.
genufine
04-21-2006, 01:06 PM
Dude, so jaded, man!
I think X3 is gonna be amazingly good! And I still think Cyclops will play a key role in stopping Phoenix, even if he's not a main character for MOST of the movie. There's a lot going on... and the "love" in that quote applies to the entire team! They are like family and they loved Jean, so to see her spiral into all-powerful madness is gut-wrenching for them all. Especially Logan, who still loves her. Nothing new here, people...
If you note in the article it mentions integral members of the team "missing" NOT DEAD! That I think is the ultimate spoiler that we will not know what happened to Scott for most of the movie! But that he's alive and returns at the end, after the team's been through hell!
BTW, X2 was equally rushed and X1 had a miscule budget and look how good they were. Aaaand, Bryan was never very good at action, and I doubt we'd get the kind of epic war we're getting. Everything happens for a reason...
I definately want Cyclops to live and come to the FINAL battle. Its very important that he lives and does his role.
But, here are some key factors why it seems a bit 'iffy' that he'll live past the alkali lake scene.
1 - Trailor (only seen him in his normal clothes), uniform seen on magazines and website. I want to elaborate on this. If you look at the magazine pictures they look VERY VERY similar to the ones on the X2 DVD on the back. I'm not sure if we have different DVDs here in Canada, but damn, its TOO SIMILAR, i mean it looks like pictures that werent taken for x2, were just rehashed and reused for x3 for him. ALSO even the WEBSITE does NOT actually fully give him a vizor! Whats going on?
2 - Story. I don't think they find his body, but they find his glasses. Now how is he supposed to come get glasses (website picture wise), or a uniform and vizor (magazine picture wise), when hes not NEAR anywhere. Even the movie is too short to implement a side story with him escaping or finding something.
Both sorta lead me to believe he wont DON the uniform in the movie, or he probably would wear it for memories or something.
Keep in mind I do want him to make it to the final scene, but more and more days pass by without proof just theories and hope. I keep thinking that wolverine wont be fighting JUGG or MAG .. and will take cyclops' role as to bring Jean back. They want it to be the MOVIE version. I wont even be suprised if wolverine and colossus do the fastball special to get to jean on an elevated level.
Now all rests on the next trailer or maybe we'll just have to wait till may 26.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 01:06 PM
Dude, so jaded, man!
I think X3 is gonna be amazingly good! And I still think Cyclops will play a key role in stopping Phoenix, even if he's not a main character for MOST of the movie. There's a lot going on... and the "love" in that quote applies to the entire team! They are like family and they loved Jean, so to see her spiral into all-powerful madness is gut-wrenching for them all. Especially Logan, who still loves her. Nothing new here, people...
If you note in the article it mentions integral members of the team "missing" NOT DEAD! That I think is the ultimate spoiler that we will not know what happened to Scott for most of the movie! But that he's alive and returns at the end, after the team's been through hell!
BTW, X2 was equally rushed and X1 had a miscule budget and look how good they were. Aaaand, Bryan was never very good at action, and I doubt we'd get the kind of epic war we're getting. Everything happens for a reason...
yah, cyke will be missing...... Jean will kill them, Logan will be "where's cyke" and nothing more will be said of his character, that's it....... and this 14 days crap, yah, he used them to shoot promos, not scenes after akali lake.............
you know what, Tim Burton and Nolan aren't as good at action as Bruckheimer either, enough said..........
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 01:08 PM
Thank you Spider-Jedi.
The negativity on this board is astounding some times!
The fact that Cyclops is on a poster marching into battle on the bridge should be enough for people to realize that he comes back. It would actually be pretty stupid to put him in there if he dies ten minutes into the movie and isn't seen again.
Besides, I TRUST Simon, Zak, and Brett, who are all BIG COMIC BOOK FANS! I think they'd feel the same way we do about this stuff. I'm not saying Scott will save the day. It's been said he's different.
Maybe he shows, couldn't care less about the cure, brotherhood, Magneto, even the X-Men. He's there to stop/save Jean, and let Storm and Logan deal with the rest.... Just imagine his mindset during this. Scott will be more than distracted by Phoenix. That is why I think he comes in late, alone, just for Jean and doesn't get involved in the wa around them.
sorry, but I'm bringing up alien 3 again, watch the trailer for that movie, look how good they made that movie seem, it looked like a darker Aliens, trailers lie about quality........
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 01:17 PM
You should change your name to MOURNERNICK!
And regarding trailers. If Scott dies at the lake, that would be a huge spoiler to give away in trailers! ALSO, on the website, his animated pose, it is clear he has a visor on because his hand is moving to the blast button. I think the shades were added because, we're supposed to think he's dead. I bet after 5/26, they'll remove the shades from that animation and well see the visor light up.
Seriously, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I still don't believe Cyclops will die at the lake. He may very well be in a coma and taken back to the mansion! I know its lame and been done before, but it works in that it requires little of Marsden, and allows his return without alot of explaining needed. I think it's a good distinction that the article said "MISSING INTEGRAL MEMBERS OF THE TEAM" Cyclops: either coma, or missing since the lake, XAVIER: Killed by Phoenix, ROGUE: Left for the cure...
Remember the writers are fans too and the fact that Cyclops changes, he wouldn't have enough time for any growth or real arc/relationship closure if he dies early. And I believe Jean's rising will be very early since it propells the plot forward. I'm starting to think Scott will kill Jean. He'll save her, but she can't hold on to her sanity for too long, they kiss in the middle of the final battle. She says "do it" then he steps back and fires full blast at her. That would be POWERFUL stuff!
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 01:34 PM
You should change your name to MOURNERNICK!
And regarding trailers. If Scott dies at the lake, that would be a huge spoiler to give away in trailers! ALSO, on the website, his animated pose, it is clear he has a visor on because his hand is moving to the blast button. I think the shades were added because, we're supposed to think he's dead. I bet after 5/26, they'll remove the shades from that animation and well see the visor light up.
Seriously, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I still don't believe Cyclops will die at the lake. He may very well be in a coma and taken back to the mansion! I know its lame and been done before, but it works in that it requires little of Marsden, and allows his return without alot of explaining needed. I think it's a good distinction that the article said "MISSING INTEGRAL MEMBERS OF THE TEAM" Cyclops: either coma, or missing since the lake, XAVIER: Killed by Phoenix, ROGUE: Left for the cure...
Remember the writers are fans too and the fact that Cyclops changes, he wouldn't have enough time for any growth or real arc/relationship closure if he dies early. And I believe Jean's rising will be very early since it propells the plot forward. I'm starting to think Scott will kill Jean. He'll save her, but she can't hold on to her sanity for too long, they kiss in the middle of the final battle. She says "do it" then he steps back and fires full blast at her. That would be POWERFUL stuff!
your the dumb ass man, name one franchise were a mediocre character played a crucial part in the end???? Cyclops, i like him in the comics, has not gotten any justice in these films, and do you know that everyone who has never read the comics, don't like him, go ask anyone who's seen x1 and x2, I remember after seeing x1, people were like, man i wish logan would have beat down cyclops..... logan's character, as ussual, will play the important role, if you don't beleive that, you got some seriuos delusiioons of grandeur when it comes to cyclops........ he will die and that's it, i love your proof, "the website image" the images in the magazines, THOSE ARE PROMO SHOTS, they have nothing to do with the film, we have not seen one pic of cyclops outside of the mansion and alkali lake, and I really doubt fox is sitting there saying "lets do the trailer so a supporting character's fate is in question"....... do you realize that the only people who know about cykes possible demise is US, the internet fanboys, no one else knows, so I doubt they are going to one, make the trailer so it fools us, and two, only release actual film shots that show cyke in the mansion and at the lake, nothing else...... if you think they are sitting there planning this out, then you my friend, have delusions of granduer in yourself........
genufine
04-21-2006, 01:41 PM
You should change your name to MOURNERNICK!
And regarding trailers. If Scott dies at the lake, that would be a huge spoiler to give away in trailers! ALSO, on the website, his animated pose, it is clear he has a visor on because his hand is moving to the blast button. I think the shades were added because, we're supposed to think he's dead. I bet after 5/26, they'll remove the shades from that animation and well see the visor light up.
So why bother with the UNIFORM???!?!?!? omg u dont make ANY sense
your the dumb ass man, name one franchise were a mediocre character played a crucial part in the end???? Cyclops, i like him in the comics, has not gotten any justice in these films, and do you know that everyone who has never read the comics, don't like him, go ask anyone who's seen x1 and x2, I remember after seeing x1, people were like, man i wish logan would have beat down cyclops..... logan's character, as ussual, will play the important role, if you don't beleive that, you got some seriuos delusiioons of grandeur when it comes to cyclops........ he will die and that's it, i love your proof, "the website image" the images in the magazines, THOSE ARE PROMO SHOTS, they have nothing to do with the film, we have not seen one pic of cyclops outside of the mansion and alkali lake, and I really doubt fox is sitting there saying "lets do the trailer so a supporting character's fate is in question"....... do you realize that the only people who know about cykes possible demise is US, the internet fanboys, no one else knows, so I doubt they are going to one, make the trailer so it fools us, and two, only release actual film shots that show cyke in the mansion and at the lake, nothing else...... if you think they are sitting there planning this out, then you my friend, have delusions of granduer in yourself........
Agreed. I am a cyclops fan, but there is a difference between realizing FACT and DREAMING!
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 01:45 PM
So why bother with the UNIFORM???!?!?!? omg u dont make ANY sense
Agreed. I am a cyclops fan, but there is a difference between realizing FACT and DREAMING!
EXACTLY, people are pulling up hope from the littlest things, and it's kinda sad, they need to realize that there is no conspiracy going on, cyclops fate is what it seems, Logan is the star of the series, not cyclops, based on the movie alone, having him save the day is like Gimli throwing the ring of power in Mt Doom in ROTK, he's not as nearly important as Logan is, in these films, people need to realize that, these movies are not the comics.......
read my sig........
Slim_X
04-21-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't know if this has already been said but I don't remember HEARING Cyclops scream in the Teaser but now that I'm watching it in the latin america website I hear him scream :confused:
jusblaze21
04-21-2006, 02:53 PM
I think everybody is assuming a little to much about this movie. And the negativity is getting annoying. I honestly dont know if Cyclops will live or die. But i'm prepared to be dissipointed, although I think he'll live. I dont think there is any Substancial evidence pointing to his death or his life. However I think that the Promo pics show more proof of him living than, the trailers do of him dying, the trailers are showing incomplete scenes, we dont what happens in between certain shots. The trailers show angel not in uniform, but we've seen him in uniform in various pics and I'm sure he'll wear his uniform in the movie, just as I think Cyclops will wear his in the movie. But that's just my opinion and i'm not knocking anybody elses, I just think people are jumping to conclusions, especially since this supposed running time, got posted.
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Agreed. Please don't attack me guys. We all have different opinions but we all WANT the same thing!
I, among a few others, believe Cyclops will survive. Most don't.
I think what gets people riled up is when people make declarations of certainty about his death. So lets all make sure we state our beliefs as opinions and not as "THIS IS WHAT IS/WILL HAPPEN..."
What we can agree on is that neither of us know and we are all Cyclops fans. So lets stand united!
I stand by cyclops living only because of THAT image of the final battle from cameron brights website where you can see cyclops with his visor on standing behind the camera
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:15 PM
Agreed. Please don't attack me guys. We all have different opinions but we all WANT the same thing!
I, among a few others, believe Cyclops will survive. Most don't.
What we can agree on is that neither of us know and we are all Cyclops fans. So lets stand united!
agreed, I think he's dead as a door knob, and it sucks, I know that if Singer did this movie, he'd have a bigger role, not huge, but he wouldn't be killed off.......
like I said a few months ago.... cyclops will live on, he will live in the laugh of every child, the joy tears of every new mother, and the hearts of us all....... CYKE will live FOREVER
The Original Bamfer
04-21-2006, 03:17 PM
agreed, I think he's dead as a door knob, and it sucks, I know that if Singer did this movie, he'd have a bigger role, not huge, but he wouldn't be killed off.......
like I said a few months ago.... cyclops will live on, he will live in the laugh of every child, the joy tears of every new mother, and the hearts of us all....... CYKE will live FOREVER
that must have been a bad joke, or else it was the cheesiest thing I ahd ever heard. :down
you don't know he dies.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:19 PM
that must have been a bad joke, or else it was the cheesiest thing I ahd ever heard. :down
you don't know he dies.
of course it is a bad joke (whipes away tears)
I don't know, I beleive he dies tho.........
Its cyclops biatch :up:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5369/leech2cyclops1hn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Read the comics for Cyke stuff. Movie Cyke has never got his due respect since X1.
I dunno if he lives or dies, but I do know that if they switch Logan for Scott in the Phoenix story line, I will be pissed. I mean whats the point of making the movie, if you totally change it.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Its cyclops biatch :up:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5369/leech2cyclops1hn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
o yes, the pic that looks like a cardboard cut out..... yep, that's it man,you proved he lives, nice job!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.........
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:24 PM
I mean whats the point of making the movie, if you totally change it.
to make money, duh
just one question, why would they have a cardboard cutout of cyclops on the set?
Its been explained countless times that the line above his head is part of that white shutter behind him
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:26 PM
o yes, the pic that looks like a cardboard cut out..... yep, that's it man,you proved he lives, nice job!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.........
It does look to convenient to actually be Cyclops. I mean, its really weird that he would be right in-between the camera and unblurred.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:27 PM
just one question, why would they have a cardboard cutout of cyclops on the set?
Its been explained countless times that the line above his head is part of that white shutter behind him
explained by who, people on here, lol............. please please tell me your going into law for a living, i would love to go to trial against you man........lol........ WOW........
why don't you place the full pic and I'll show you the inconsistency in that pic
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 03:28 PM
EXACTLY! Cardboard cutout is just silly. Especially since it's in the middle of the scene. You've got Storm on one side of him and Magneto on the other. Thanks for the close-up pic BB, always good to be reminded of the signs of HOPE.
Aiden
04-21-2006, 03:28 PM
EXACTLY! Cardboard cutout is just silly. Especially since it's in the middle of the scene. You've got Storm on one side of him and Magneto on the other. Thanks for the close-up pic BB, always good to be reminded of the signs of HOPE.Ditto
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:32 PM
EXACTLY! Cardboard cutout is just silly. Especially since it's in the middle of the scene. You've got Storm on one side of him and Magneto on the other. Thanks for the close-up pic BB, always good to be reminded of the signs of HOPE.
Your whole "They're using Cyclops's death as marketing" is just as silly. I mean, they could've placed that cutout there to keep us talking if you really belive that theory.
explained by who, people on here, lol............. please please tell me your going into law for a living, i would love to go to trial against you man........lol........ WOW........
why don't you place the full pic and I'll show you the inconsistency in that pic
Get off your high horse and dont resort to personal attacks. To be perfectly honest i dont care if cyclops dies or not because im not a big fan of the character but its nice to offer some hope to the people who do care about this characters fate. Go ahead and explain the inconsistancies in the image. What i see is the gravel fromt he alcatraz set on the floor. The large white building with the shutters from the alcatraz set with a figure that looks uncannily like cyclops standing in front of it. Halle berry is to the left of cameron and magneto is to the right. I cant see any inconsistancies you are claiming to see.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1418/leech11op.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:40 PM
right away, I will tell you that the focus of the camera is inconsistent, it's focusing on the camera man, people that are a few feet behind him are blurred, therefor anything behind them would be unreconizable,
plus, can you clearly identify that the man is cyclops, yes it has visors on, but are you willing to be your life that the person is Mardsen....
if the pic does fit, you must equit
but i can recognise it, i can recognise the whole of the image. Its clearly magneto on the right and halle on the left. The white building is alcatraz, you can see it in the trailer, it has large white shutters which again you can see in the trailer, even if its not cyclops, thats definately alcatraz.
Of course i wouldnt bet my life thats marsden....it could be his stuntdouble :p
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:45 PM
and it could be a poster, cut-out, someone screwing around, it could be mardsen in full gear getting ready to shoot promo shots, it could be alot of things, but to base your hole reasoning that cyke lives on one fuzzy shot, your nuts
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:46 PM
but i can recognise it, i can recognise the whole of the image. Its clearly magneto on the right and halle on the left. The white building is alcatraz, you can see it in the trailer, it has large white shutters which again you can see in the trailer, even if its not cyclops, thats definately alcatraz.
Of course i wouldnt bet my life thats marsden....it could be his stuntdouble :p
Your right thats Alcatraz, I was actually one of the first people to bring that up and you did before me I think. But are we sure thats Halle Berry?
how many other people have bright white hair?
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 03:49 PM
And for the record, those blurs were done in photoshop not because the camera's focus. And considering the tight spot that Cyke is in, theyeither missed blurring it out, or were afraid it woul bleed into Cameron's jacket and ruin Cameron's pic.
I don't think my theories about Fox intentionally being evasive about Scott's fate are silly. Any of the MAJOR DEATHS in this film would be HUGE SPOILERS and not simply shown in the promos. And Marsden's comment about the familiarity of making the movie and wearing the suit....
Come on people. I'm not saying I KNOW HE LIVES, but THERE IS HOPE!
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:49 PM
how many other people have bright white hair?
I thought that it might be on eof the set workers or something. It doesn't look like that person is wearing all black to me.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:50 PM
And for the record, those blurs were done in photoshop not because the camera's focus. And considering the tight spot that Cyke is in, theyeither missed blurring it out, or were afraid it woul bleed into Cameron's jacket and ruin Cameron's pic.
I don't think my theories about Fox intentionally being evasive about Scott's fate are silly. Any of the MAJOR DEATHS in this film would be HUGE SPOILERS and not simply shown in the promos. And Marsden's comment about the familiarity of making the movie and wearing the suit....
Come on people. I'm not saying I KNOW HE LIVES, but THERE IS HOPE!
last time I checked, they didn't show cyclops death.......
let me ask you this, who outside the internet population, know's about cykes possible death???
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:52 PM
last time I checked, they didn't show cyclops death.......
let me ask you this, who outside the internet population, know's about cykes possible death???
Atcually a lot of people are assuming he dies from the trailers probably. There have already been some noobs that came on here asking us if he dies since they've only seen him at Alkali Lake in the trailers. But yes, the whole marketing theory is wishful thinking imo.
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 03:52 PM
Look at how they were sneaky for X2. They showed pics of Jean in the whitehouse.
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 03:54 PM
Look at how they were sneaky for X2. They showed pics of Jean in the whitehouse.
But thats different. They didn't want to make us think she dies, which is understandable. Wanting us to believe a loved character dies isn't.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 03:55 PM
Atcually a lot of people are assuming he dies from the trailers probably. There have already been some noobs that came on here asking us if he dies since they've only seen him at Alkali Lake in the trailers. But yes, the whole marketing theory is wishful thinking imo.
the people that think cyke dies, probably eqauls 10% (and that's being generous),
they don't show him dieing, did you ever see Riegn of Fire, they show Matty jumping with an axe in his hand, in the movie, when he was doing that, he got eaten by a dragon, but that scene in the trailer,they didn't show that he died, my reaction was "o crap, what happens there" and that's what they are going for in a trailer, people to get excited......
What i think they are going for with the trailer is to make the general public uncertain about what happens to him at that point but, us on the internet who know way too much already think it is a sure sign that he dies at that point. I reckon he actually does live, makes it to the final battle but possibly dies there instead
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 03:59 PM
let's assume he doesnt die. Do you people really think that they would show Cyclops in the final battle in a trailer, or a still?????? Of course not! if he survives, we'll get a surprise, thats why we only see him in alkali. Its known that he has little screntime, but nobody can assume he actually dies, because if he comes back, it will be in the end, for a short period of time, and they just dont want to show us that, because it wouldd end the surprise of his return in the end.
Summing up, i still have hope :D
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 04:00 PM
What i think they are going for with the trailer is to make the general public uncertain about what happens to him at that point but, us on the internet who know way too much already think it is a sure sign that he dies at that point. I reckon he actually does live, makes it to the final battle but possibly dies there instead
now let me ask yo this, who are those trailers made for???????
internet fanboys, or general public
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 04:00 PM
What i think they are going for with the trailer is to make the general public uncertain about what happens to him at that point but, us on the internet who know way too much already think it is a sure sign that he dies at that point. I reckon he actually does live, makes it to the final battle but possibly dies there instead
But how could he get to the final battle?
TromaFreak64
04-21-2006, 04:01 PM
the people that think cyke dies, probably eqauls 10% (and that's being generous),
they don't show him dieing, did you ever see Riegn of Fire, they show Matty jumping with an axe in his hand, in the movie, when he was doing that, he got eaten by a dragon, but that scene in the trailer,they didn't show that he died, my reaction was "o crap, what happens there" and that's what they are going for in a trailer, people to get excited......
You are probably wrong about your 10% figure as it has been mentioned in several press organizations that Cyclops is rumored to die including MSN and E! in the United States and internationally in other foreign magazines as well.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 04:03 PM
You are probably wrong about your 10% figure as it has been mentioned in several press organizations that Cyclops is rumored to die including MSN and E! in the United States and internationally in other foreign magazines as well.
but people have LIVES, they don't base everything on movie news and internet crap, they see a trailer on TV, or read a review in the paper, and that's when they decide to see a movie, or if they liked the first one, they will see the sequel....... they see something like cyclops attacking the lake, they will be like "wow, I want to see what happens next", we don't see it like that, but most do
But how could he get to the final battle?
who knows, people think that angel and rogue will make it to the final battle too just because they have seen angel in uniform but if their stories play out like many people think they will, no one know how they get there either. It kind of makes sense that cyclops would lead them there or something along those lines
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 04:05 PM
But thats different. They didn't want to make us think she dies, which is understandable. Wanting us to believe a loved character dies isn't.
No. What I was saying is they can be secretive. Someone said they doubted Fox would go through any trouble to fool people. They did with X2, why not X3?
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 04:05 PM
who knows, people think that angel and rogue will make it to the final battle too just because they have seen angel in uniform but if their stories play out like many people think they will, no one know how they get there either. It kind of makes sense that cyclops would lead them there or something along those lines
But he's either demolecualrized or stuck without glasses near Alkali Lake.
now let me ask yo this, who are those trailers made for???????
internet fanboys, or general public
I should have wrote that out better. What i mean is that the trailers are made but because people like us on the net know so much about the movie and all the rumours already take things the wrong way; for some people, just seeing cykes glasses floating there in the teaser is like some kind of definite sign that he dies there
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:08 PM
But he's either demolecualrized or stuck without glasses near Alkali Lake.
have you forgot Psylocke? some people believe in a theory that she has something to do with Cyke's fate, since she has more than one scene and is only seen once with Callisto...
lordofthenerds
04-21-2006, 04:09 PM
have you forgot Psylocke? some people believe in a theory that she has something to do with Cyke's fate, since she has more than one scene and is only seen once with Callisto...
I doubt it.
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:11 PM
I doubt it.
well, i doubt he's demolecularized too...
But he's either demolecualrized or stuck without glasses near Alkali Lake.
Yep, and rogue gets "cured" but people are still convinced she ends up in the final battle.
BTW, I really hate this whole demolecularized stuff. If he dies, he dies but please not like that, its just too...comic booky :(
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 04:12 PM
I am gonna find you Lord, and punch you! I told you never to say that word again! :mad:
Aiden
04-21-2006, 04:15 PM
But how could he get to the final battle?http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/663/440qu.jpg
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 04:16 PM
LOL :up:
lmao, a picture speaks a thousand words
TromaFreak64
04-21-2006, 04:18 PM
well, i doubt he's demolecularized too...
It's interesting to note that the trailer wants us to realizes that he just vanishes....as if he had been demoleculrized....a power that Jean may in fact have, similar to how she rearranges her suit I do not see why she couldn't rearrange human molecules as well. In the original script Jean did the same thing to Xavier and left nothing but a wheelchair...again the trailer is playing that image up (or was). We never saw the third draft from the AICN script review but we do know the writers did want to include the idea that she could break things down at a molecular level and then put them back together.
That could have just as easily been people too. As lame as that sounds...well I guess it is not any worse than demolecularizing as a whole.
All this being said, the trailer still plays up both concepts whether they come out to be true or not.
On a end note, I do not really like the idea of either taking place in the movie-verse.
DEMOLECULARIZE IS NOT A WORD :mad:
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:24 PM
it might be my sick mind, but somehow, i found those red glasses in the site animation so "copy/pasted". I dont exactly know what it means, i dont see why FOX would digitally put glasses on him. We know he used uniform and visor for promos, why the hell does he have glasses and uniform in the animation? I think its even stranger than Rogue's animation...
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 04:25 PM
DEMOLECULARIZE IS NOT A WORD :mad:
Websters 2007 dictionary: Demoleculurzation: what happened to cyclops in X3
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:26 PM
Websters 2007 dictionary: Demoleculuzation: what happened to cyclops in X3
first you should learn how to write it :p
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 04:28 PM
first you should learn how to write it :p
you get the point, punkhttp://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:29 PM
you get the point, punkhttp://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
oh yeah :p
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 04:35 PM
Seriously, you don't think finding the floating glasses, seeing him be thrown back at the lake, you don't think the general public will think he's dead.
I think floating glasses alone would make many jump to that conclusion.
AND I think demolecularization is a little too unbelievable to be in the final film. They've all spoken of staying true to Singer's tone and keeping it real. Yes its sci-fi and superheroes and stuff, but you don't want togo too crazy with it. And if it is in the film,whose to say those molecules can't be telekinetically put back together?
Don't forget Simon said not all fates are what they seem. And AICN never did see that third act.
Hope is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.
JokerNick
04-21-2006, 04:37 PM
Seriously, you don't think finding the floating glasses, seeing him be thrown back at the lake, you don't think the general public will think he's dead.
I think floating glasses alone would make many jump to that conclusion.
AND I think demolecularization is a little too unbelievable to be in the final film. They've all spoken of staying true to Singer's tone and keeping it real. Yes its sci-fi and superheroes and stuff, but you don't want togo too crazy with it. And if it is in the film,whose to say those molecules can't be telekinetically put back together?
Don't forget Simon said not all fates are what they seem. And AICN never did see that third act.
Hope is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.
well demculer whatever is pretty far fetched from Singers film, but putting them back together is an even farther stretch if you ask me........
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 04:39 PM
well demculer whatever is pretty far fetched from Singers film, but putting them back together is an even farther stretch if you ask me........
i agree :o
anyway they said she will do something to this molecular level (they thought of her changing her own clothes, but in the end came up with somthing else, i think)...
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 04:40 PM
well demculer whatever is pretty far fetched from Singers film, but putting them back together is an even farther stretch if you ask me........
Exactly, both are so out there. What do you have to be smoking to put that in the final script??
I think maybe it was in there at some point, maybe to show the studio they didn't need him or w/e, but I highly doubt that is what we will see...
jusblaze21
04-21-2006, 04:41 PM
well demculer whatever is pretty far fetched from Singers film, but putting them back together is an even farther stretch if you ask me........
I agree
:mad: < this is me if Cyke gets Democularized and then Redemocularized. If gets Demolecularized he better stay dead.
Bishop2
04-21-2006, 04:56 PM
If Cyke dies and comes back, I don't care HOW he comes back. I don't care if the freaking BEYONDER shows up in the last 10 minutes, wearing his disco-groovy white zoot suit, and brings Cyclops back from beyond the grave by asking all the little kids in the audience to clap their hands if they believe in mutants. All that matters to me that is that Cyclops lives.
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 04:57 PM
I don't think,, ugh, can we just call it DM? I don't think that we'll see him die that way. I think if she does use DM, it will not be on people, but something simpler.
I don't know... she's a telepath, can't she just kill your mind telepathically? Like Psylocke's psychic knife? Maybe Scott is braindead after their encounter
?
DM is far fetched and unDM is even farther. I just used that to show how asurd it would be to use that to kill such a beloved character....
BTW, I still think he survives. I pity anyone who walks out of the theater after the lake scene, and misses his return at the end. Again, this is just my belief. We'll find out soon enough.
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 05:02 PM
im still keeping my laugh to if he comes back just to be killed in the final battle...
i like Scott, but that would be beyond my self control.
PWN3R
04-21-2006, 05:03 PM
If Cyke dies and comes back, I don't care HOW he comes back. I don't care if the freaking BEYONDER shows up in the last 10 minutes, wearing his disco-groovy white zoot suit, and brings Cyclops back from beyond the grave by asking all the little kids in the audience to clap their hands if they believe in mutants. All that matters to me that is that Cyclops lives.
That would be so freakin awesome. :D
I would laugh so hard...
If Cyke dies and comes back, I don't care HOW he comes back. I don't care if the freaking BEYONDER shows up in the last 10 minutes, wearing his disco-groovy white zoot suit, and brings Cyclops back from beyond the grave by asking all the little kids in the audience to clap their hands if they believe in mutants. All that matters to me that is that Cyclops lives.
lool!!
Can somebody call Shumasher and John Travolta to shoot some scenes?
If Cyke dies and comes back, I don't care HOW he comes back. I don't care if the freaking BEYONDER shows up in the last 10 minutes, wearing his disco-groovy white zoot suit, and brings Cyclops back from beyond the grave by asking all the little kids in the audience to clap their hands if they believe in mutants. All that matters to me that is that Cyclops lives.
Xmen: The Last Stand - A Uwe Boll film
Aiden
04-21-2006, 05:27 PM
Xmen: The Last Stand - A Uwe Boll filmDon't....
you all brought up the D word, so i can bring up Uwe Boll :p
taintedFB
04-21-2006, 05:31 PM
no more D-word:down . no more Uwe Boll.:down
Agreed?:O
Aiden
04-21-2006, 05:31 PM
you all brought up the D word, so i can bring up Uwe Boll :pHow about no-one EVER EVER EVER mentions any of those things again
Aiden
04-21-2006, 05:37 PM
Deal :up:Or No Deal...:D
CapBeerCino
04-21-2006, 05:46 PM
I don't care if the freaking BEYONDER shows up in the last 10 minutes, wearing his disco-groovy white zoot suit, and brings Cyclops back from beyond the grave by asking all the little kids in the audience to clap their hands if they believe in mutants.
Dont be optimistic. They could never squeeze that into 103 minutes :o
Or No Deal...:D
oh no you just didnt :eek:
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:05 PM
oh no you just didnt :eek:Oh yes I did. Noel Edmonds is the man
Oh yes I did. Noel Edmonds is the man
how can you like someone who is associated with crinkly bottom??
Seriously, you don't think finding the floating glasses, seeing him be thrown back at the lake, you don't think the general public will think he's dead.
I think floating glasses alone would make many jump to that conclusion.
AND I think demolecularization is a little too unbelievable to be in the final film. They've all spoken of staying true to Singer's tone and keeping it real. Yes its sci-fi and superheroes and stuff, but you don't want togo too crazy with it. And if it is in the film,whose to say those molecules can't be telekinetically put back together?
Don't forget Simon said not all fates are what they seem. And AICN never did see that third act.
Hope is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.
Is it any more unbelieveable than Kelly turning into water towards the end of X1? I mean, I'm on the fence about his fate (although the uniform promo pics are promising), but in this world, Jean "demolecularizing" Scott is indeed possible. It's not as realistic as some make it out to be. And I'm not picking on you, just making a point.
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:29 PM
how can you like someone who is associated with crinkly bottom??Because he can have a decent conversation with himself ;)
Because he can have a decent conversation with himself ;)
noel is the banker :eek:
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:34 PM
noel is the banker :eek:I know
"Hello there Banker"
Silence
"Really? Well...that's surprising!"
Silence
*Noel laughs* "Very Funny!" *Idiotic Contestant*"What's he saying?"
Silence
"Alright, I'll tell her..."
What a legend
mustanger405
04-21-2006, 06:38 PM
Guys I have been hopeful but I just realized Scott is a gonner and wont show up for the final battle. It just all adds up and Fox is playing with our heads. Im thinking about it. He def is going to dissapear for a long period of time thats for sure. So what does he go back to the mansion after he revives or comes to and shaves and puts on his uniform and goes to the battle. It just doesnt make much sense to me. Soo I'm def looking at the negative side of it right now when it comes to Scott's fate.
HE IS DEAD......R.IP.
so, when the contestants beat the banker...that means noel is getting pwned :D
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:41 PM
so, when the contestants beat the banker...that means noel is getting pwned :DHe is indeed
CapBeerCino
04-21-2006, 06:43 PM
BB and Aiden - what the hell are you talking about? :confused:
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:44 PM
BB and Aiden - what the hell are you talking about? :confused:Deal Or No Deal. Its brilliant
poor noel, i remember him back in the good old days i like to call the 90's when he used to present Noels House Party, you cant beat cheesy saturday night tv
imaperson2
04-21-2006, 06:44 PM
so umm...yeah....cyclops?
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:47 PM
poor noel, i remember him back in the good old days i like to call the 90's when he used to present Noels House Party, you cant beat cheesy saturday night tvHehe
so umm...yeah....cyclops?
He kicks a$$
Spidey 2007
04-21-2006, 06:48 PM
so umm...yeah....cyclops?
lol ive seen this thread has a certain loop, its in the "not talking about cyclops" phase.
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 06:48 PM
oops
imaperson2
04-21-2006, 06:48 PM
i need to get 300 posts so i wanna start a spamming conversation.... hehe anyone wanna join?
EDIT: ERM nvm i only need 3 posts. haha
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:49 PM
i need to get 300 posts so i wanna start a spamming conversation.... hehe anyone wanna join?
EDIT: ERM nvm i only need 3 posts. hahaI need to get to 3000 by tomorrow. I've made 100 posts today
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 06:50 PM
i need 3000 posts. Anyone into a little spamming? :o
imaperson2
04-21-2006, 06:50 PM
hey flavio how are you? hehe
lol ive seen this thread has a certain loop, its in the "not talking about cyclops" phase.
you have to in this thread, if it were on topic all the time, world war 3 could break out at any minute
imaperson2
04-21-2006, 06:51 PM
300 posts! yes! so umm... cyclops shoots red lasers out of his eyes in x3.
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 06:52 PM
hey flavio how are you? hehe
lets not spam, i'll leave this forum in some days...
Spidey 2007
04-21-2006, 06:52 PM
you have to in this thread, if it were on topic all the time, world war 3 could break out at any minute
that would kick ass.....lets get back on topic, lol:up: :o
Aiden
04-21-2006, 06:57 PM
i need 3000 posts. Anyone into a little spamming? :oWhat's spamming? :confused:
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 06:59 PM
What's spamming? :confused:
i typed something wrong again? doesnt this word exist? i need english classes...
edit: hey, i went to wikipedia and it exists :confused:
What's spamming? :confused:
Spamming is what we have been doing all over the last page :up:
Making off topic, pointless posts that serve nothing to the topic of the thread ;)
Oh well...
Aiden
04-21-2006, 07:05 PM
i typed something wrong again? doesnt this word exist? i need english classes...
edit: hey, i went to wikipedia and it exists :confused:O RLY?
flavio_lebeau
04-21-2006, 07:06 PM
O RLY?
with that i leave...
Aiden
04-21-2006, 07:10 PM
Spamming is what we have been doing all over the last page :up:
Making off topic, pointless posts that serve nothing to the topic of the thread ;)
Oh well...You're fibbing :D
with that i leave...
LMAO
Bishop2
04-21-2006, 07:12 PM
Seriously, you don't think finding the floating glasses, seeing him be thrown back at the lake, you don't think the general public will think he's dead.
I think floating glasses alone would make many jump to that conclusion.
His visor floated through the air in the first movie, but it didn't mean he was dead. :p
TromaFreak64
04-21-2006, 07:26 PM
but people have LIVES, they don't base everything on movie news and internet crap, they see a trailer on TV, or read a review in the paper, and that's when they decide to see a movie, or if they liked the first one, they will see the sequel....... they see something like cyclops attacking the lake, they will be like "wow, I want to see what happens next", we don't see it like that, but most do
You didn't do anything to better your argument. I just gave you clearl sources that are making the knowledge known to the general public...
Showing the floating sunglasses is supposed to be ominous. Fox is not dumb. When preparing the advertising campaign a lot of data was taken in on how people respond to particular scenes. It's common in marketing. Having some knowledge of the process in this particular case, I do know the scene was selected and remained until the final version because the test audience did respond just how Fox wanted them to. They were uncertain, many people thought the character died, went missing, etc. The purpose was to get the general audience to know that something is going to happen and make them want to see the movie to know just what. People were able to put the location and outfit together and realize that Wolverine finding the sun glasses was related.
To assume the general public can not put such a simple scenario together or does not think about these topics is just not giving them credit. Trailers are designed for all movie-goers and the floating sun glasses is intended to be ominious.
Obviously it caught the attention of fans and the general public or else news publications would not be mentioning it and neither would non-fan boy message boards (like imdb) or media outlets such as MSN.
So again your number is very underestimated.
TromaFreak64
04-21-2006, 07:31 PM
well demculer whatever is pretty far fetched from Singers film, but putting them back together is an even farther stretch if you ask me........
I really don't like the idea, but to say it's far fetched in the movie-verse might be jumping the gun... Senator Kelly's body was broken down at the molecular level...he was essentially demolecularized and I really haven't seen an outcry of complaining as to how far fetched that was.
TromaFreak64
04-21-2006, 07:32 PM
His visor floated through the air in the first movie, but it didn't mean he was dead. :p
Yes they did that you are correct. However it was not present in any advertisement in an ominous fashion.
genufine
04-21-2006, 07:41 PM
Its cyclops biatch :up:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5369/leech2cyclops1hn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As much as I want that to ACTUALLY be cyclops. I can help but think some IDIOT put his pic there and did a miserable job of it. Like look even the background doesnt match his background.
cyke93
04-21-2006, 08:04 PM
Guys I have been hopeful but I just realized Scott is a gonner and wont show up for the final battle. It just all adds up and Fox is playing with our heads. Im thinking about it. He def is going to dissapear for a long period of time thats for sure. So what does he go back to the mansion after he revives or comes to and shaves and puts on his uniform and goes to the battle. It just doesnt make much sense to me. Soo I'm def looking at the negative side of it right now when it comes to Scott's fate.
HE IS DEAD......R.IP.
exactly, if scott lives, what's he doing during the rest of the movie, up until the end. and the only images we have of him are just with him and jean in alkali lake, everything else is all solo pics. i know they're holding out on pictures but either way it does not look good. i rewatched the x2 trailers, cyke was visibly absent in that film but yet they showed him in the trailer, more importantly with other characters.
he cant be kidnapped AGAIN.. and the whole injured but is good to go for the final battle is also pretty weak, if it was wolverine then yeah it would be plausible for him to get seriously hurt and in a couple of days be good to go .. they could give cyclops a side story but that's just wishful thinking at this point.
the only side story for cyclops that i find remotely feasible is that cyclops goes off and recruits other mutants to aid the x-men, hence he comes back at the end. but the whole thing with jean, why would he want to leave her side after she's been found alive. "oh scott, its good that jean's back but she joined up with magneto, can u go out and find some more mutants since we're outnumbered?"
batboy99
04-21-2006, 08:34 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/xsouthparkcyclops.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/xsouthparkcyclops.jpg
That's amazing. :ghost:
the_scream
04-21-2006, 09:49 PM
You didn't do anything to better your argument. I just gave you clearl sources that are making the knowledge known to the general public...
Showing the floating sunglasses is supposed to be ominous. Fox is not dumb. When preparing the advertising campaign a lot of data was taken in on how people respond to particular scenes. It's common in marketing. Having some knowledge of the process in this particular case, I do know the scene was selected and remained until the final version because the test audience did respond just how Fox wanted them to. They were uncertain, many people thought the character died, went missing, etc. The purpose was to get the general audience to know that something is going to happen and make them want to see the movie to know just what. People were able to put the location and outfit together and realize that Wolverine finding the sun glasses was related.
To assume the general public can not put such a simple scenario together or does not think about these topics is just not giving them credit. Trailers are designed for all movie-goers and the floating sun glasses is intended to be ominious.
Obviously it caught the attention of fans and the general public or else news publications would not be mentioning it and neither would non-fan boy message boards (like imdb) or media outlets such as MSN.
So again your number is very underestimated.
I don't think you are right. The average movie-goer who has a passing interest for X-Men won't be paying that much attention. The shot of the glasses floating was a mere second on screen. As a massive fan, I didn't even notice the glasses and what it meant one my first viewing of the trailer. I know plenty of people who like the movies by wouldn't even know Cyclop's name let alone notice a one second shot of a pair of sunglasses. Remember, we are talking about the average movie-goer who may only see the teaser once and may think "looks cool" and that's about it. Only fanboys like ourselves analyse the trailer bit by bit.
If they wanted the average movie-goer to wonder about Cyclops, they would have made it much more obvious. We're talking about the same people who basically give away the entire plots in trailers because they assume the audience is stupid. Not to mention that most of the shots that are shown in the trailer are only in there because they are completed shots. They probably finished off all the Cyclops scenes nice and early and that is why it was included in the trailer.
cyke93
04-21-2006, 11:24 PM
i concur, when people watch the trailers, they wont really remember the floating glasses, they'll remember the money shots of things exploding and the previewing of new characters like angel and beast
Bishop2
04-22-2006, 12:33 AM
How much you wanna bet that half of the country is looking at Beast in the trailers and thinking "Nightcrawler's beefed up."
cyke93
04-22-2006, 12:44 AM
they would think that plus they would regard the blue hair as just part of the routine, look at jean and storms hair, its different every movie
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 02:27 AM
I don't think you are right. The average movie-goer who has a passing interest for X-Men won't be paying that much attention. The shot of the glasses floating was a mere second on screen. As a massive fan, I didn't even notice the glasses and what it meant one my first viewing of the trailer. I know plenty of people who like the movies by wouldn't even know Cyclop's name let alone notice a one second shot of a pair of sunglasses. Remember, we are talking about the average movie-goer who may only see the teaser once and may think "looks cool" and that's about it. Only fanboys like ourselves analyse the trailer bit by bit.
If they wanted the average movie-goer to wonder about Cyclops, they would have made it much more obvious. We're talking about the same people who basically give away the entire plots in trailers because they assume the audience is stupid. Not to mention that most of the shots that are shown in the trailer are only in there because they are completed shots. They probably finished off all the Cyclops scenes nice and early and that is why it was included in the trailer.
It is a little more complicated than that and I have a feeling you are speaking without any real knowledge of the process in this case. It is fun to assume but I mean just having a little bit of knowledge in marketing may have helped your case a little.
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 02:28 AM
i concur, when people watch the trailers, they wont really remember the floating glasses, they'll remember the money shots of things exploding and the previewing of new characters like angel and beast
Well I have seen some of the data that was recorded. People did remember the shot, I really do not know what else to tell you. I mean you can assume that people WON'T remember it all you want, or you can actually do something to test it like Fox did.
Bishop2
04-22-2006, 02:36 AM
Well I have seen some of the data that was recorded. People did remember the shot, I really do not know what else to tell you. I mean you can assume that people WON'T remember it all you want, or you can actually do something to test it like Fox did.
Uh.. yeah... Fox tests to see which brief shots from a trailer people remember... and you saw their bizarre, pointless data recordings.
Right.
pt_photo_inc
04-22-2006, 03:33 AM
Well I have seen some of the data that was recorded. People did remember the shot, I really do not know what else to tell you. I mean you can assume that people WON'T remember it all you want, or you can actually do something to test it like Fox did.
LOL!!!!! HAHAHAHA! I love stupid lies!
Jottfan25
04-22-2006, 06:28 AM
Hi! New here. I just got back from the Movie Carnival in Malaysia where they're showing lots of movies. But X-Men: The Last Stand is the biggest of all. It was weird when I turn and saw some chinese guy wearing the visor and leather suit and a chinese gal wearing the suit too (pink stripes) assumed to be Jean. But they look weird. (So not like them) Anyway, took pics with them. Expect to see Storm and Wolverine. But I don't see them anywhere.
It's great to see that they actually put Cyke and Jean up instead of Logan and Storm or anyone else.
Jottfan25
04-22-2006, 06:43 AM
They also put footage up where include behind-the-scenes and interviews (Like we never seen before) from Brett, Hugh, Famke, Ben, Kelsey and Vinnie Jones. But unfortunatly, the place was packed and other trailers were so loud. Can't hear a thing of what they're saying. I tried at least three times, so close to the plasma TV. There's a couple of scenes from the sets like the vault where Juggernaut was held, the danger room scene, and the final battle.
Didn't saw Cyclops there in the battle. But I'll go back there tomorrow and watch closer. But I can clearly hear Scott screamed in the Alkali lake (teaser trailer). Breaks my heart, every time.
Welcome to the Hype, Jottfan25. :up:
They also put footage up where include behind-the-scenes and interviews (Like we never seen before) from Brett, Hugh, Famke, Ben, Kelsey and Vinnie Jones. But unfortunatly, the place was packed and other trailers were so loud. Can't hear a thing of what they're saying. I tried at least three times, so close to the plasma TV. There's a couple of scenes from the sets like the vault where Juggernaut was held, the danger room scene, and the final battle.
Didn't saw Cyclops there in the battle. But I'll go back there tomorrow and watch closer. But I can clearly hear Scott screamed in the Alkali lake (teaser trailer). Breaks my heart, every time.
Welcome! :)
That sounds pretty cool. Too bad that you didn't hear they're voices.
Jottfan25
04-22-2006, 06:59 AM
Thanks.
Don't feed the posters and you'll be fine. :D
ILuvCyclops
04-22-2006, 08:21 AM
I don't know if this has already been posted, but I found this in this months Total Film magazine...sorry for the bluuriness...my cameras being weird
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Guigou/jimmy.jpg
Enjoy :D
Yeah, it's been posted already. :up:
ILuvCyclops
04-22-2006, 08:37 AM
Well i guess a double pic doesnt hurt, it is cyclops after all :D
eXperiment
04-22-2006, 08:44 AM
awesome picture
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 11:13 AM
Uh.. yeah... Fox tests to see which brief shots from a trailer people remember... and you saw their bizarre, pointless data recordings.
Right.
You really don't fool around when you are dealing with 150 million dollars. Not to mention the marketing budget for the film is an additional 60 million.
Believe it or not there are investors in this film who expect it to make something, along with shareholders, and just like any summer film--gasp--a marketing department with people who make up to 6 figures. Trust me they don't get paid to assemble trailers based on their assumptions.
genufine
04-22-2006, 11:19 AM
You really don't fool around when you are dealing with 150 million dollars. Not to mention the marketing budget for the film is an additional 60 million.
Believe it or not there are investors in this film who expect it to make something, along with shareholders, and just like any summer film--gasp--a marketing department with people who make up to 6 figures. Trust me they don't get paid to assemble trailers based on their assumptions.
Its quite obvious the optic blast towards something, then him getting thrown back, THEN wolverine finding the glasses - shows quite clearly that Fox was trying to show Cyclops' annihilation (thats how powerful phoenix is).
C'mon, NO OFFICIAL FILM production show him wearing a VIZOR. NONE! The ones from magazines DONT count as official fox / film production. THE POSTERS, THE WEBSITES = show him with GLASSES only. HINT HINT.
I want him to live, but im beginning to accept.
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 11:23 AM
Uh.. yeah... Fox tests to see which brief shots from a trailer people remember... and you saw their bizarre, pointless data recordings.
Right.
I've given a lot of specific numbers about the Financial aspects of this film before. Such as the return FOX is expecting from both the box office and DVD sales, along with the estimates that were calculated to be include in some of the managerial cash flow statements to estimate some 3 year cash flows on the film.
The data recordining really were not bizarre or pointless. They are entirely neccessary to track the progress of the film and to help estimate box office earnings and ensure the film is on the right track to succeed. Testing a trailer and the response to it is entirely common in the film industry, along with testing a film, and even testing various marketing campaigns.
There are individuals whose jobs are to view that data and make decision based on it. Believe it or not the director does not assemble the trailer or the marketing campaigns. Fox does most of its marketing in house, however some of it is outsourced such as the street campaign that we have seen that was so popular. That was decide and designed by a third party that Fox hired based on their design.
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 11:41 AM
Why are people saying that Scott screams now in the trailer? I've seen it a couple times and I do not recall a scream.
LastSunrise1981
04-22-2006, 11:55 AM
Why are people saying that Scott screams now in the trailer? I've seen it a couple times and I do not recall a scream.
Well in the teaser they show him screaming. But in the second trailer and even in tv spots, I've never heard or seen him screaming.
Maybe this is the new trailer or rumors they're tlaking about?
Aiden
04-22-2006, 12:01 PM
In my HD copy I can hear him scream
Its because someone saw that part of the film in malaysia at some exhibition, he wrote that over all the noise he couldnt hear much apart from cyclops screaming
CapBeerCino
04-22-2006, 01:52 PM
In my HD copy I can hear him scream
You can hear the scream in the teaser.
Aiden
04-22-2006, 01:57 PM
You can hear the scream in the teaser.Yup. That's the one
LastSunrise1981
04-22-2006, 02:15 PM
Yup. That's the one
You can? I thought those were the screams/yells from the other Brotherhood Mutants during Magneto's speech?
Pyrox
04-22-2006, 02:23 PM
Well that's how it started out, but then it lapsed into only him as I recall.
CapBeerCino
04-22-2006, 02:24 PM
Yep. You can hear the scream and the blast (sorta).
Aiden
04-22-2006, 02:44 PM
There was a definite lighter sound after the Brotherhood scream
Jottfan25
04-22-2006, 06:40 PM
I can tell you that the scream is different from the trailers and the tv spots.
It's very emotional and heart twisting even if the scene is brief.
cyke93
04-22-2006, 06:47 PM
looks around, all the cyke fans are out today hehe
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 06:51 PM
I can tell you that the scream is different from the trailers and the tv spots.
It's very emotional and heart twisting even if the scene is brief.
Wow that is pretty interesting. This is some pretty negative news. It does not prove anything but its another clue in the wrong direction.
TromaFreak64
04-22-2006, 07:03 PM
There was a definite lighter sound after the Brotherhood scream
Man was this some sort of joke? Sarcasm is so common these days.
Aiden
04-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Man was this some sort of joke? Sarcasm is so common these days.No, there WAS a lighter scream after the cheer
LastSunrise1981
04-22-2006, 07:09 PM
I've listened to it a few times and it's very hard to tell. It could be Scott's or it could be a bit of the remaining screams/yells of the Brotherhood Mutants.
But you can definitely hear it and it's pretty clear in all honesty.
You may have to listen to it 3 or 4 times to hear it.
Aiden
04-22-2006, 07:36 PM
I'm going to make my 3000th post in my favourite thread
IMO it's definitely Scotts scream
cyke93
04-22-2006, 09:23 PM
even though the trailers are just that, trailers, they don't give me much hope in regards to cyclops, especially looking back at the x2 trailers. in x2, they were really only hiding the whole phoenix thing but they actually kind of showed it in the trailer but its still wait n see.
I think they're attempting to trick us big with Cyclops.
That's just me though, dude.
cyke93
04-22-2006, 09:28 PM
given my life, it wouldn't be a surprise that fox is purposely trying to make me think cyclops dies and at this point, they nearly convinced me of it otherwise .. but either i dont understand why they would go through such the trouble .. i mean its one thing to just deny it in interviews but all the other stuff, is just too much
Well, there's gotta be an actual story left to tell after all the "spoilers" being leaked/released, so I wouldn't be surprised either.
The Original Bamfer
04-22-2006, 09:48 PM
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228451
I still think he doesn't die.
cyke93
04-22-2006, 10:28 PM
never a dull day when talking about cyclops hehe
Redd_Angel
04-22-2006, 10:45 PM
^ i agree!! :up: everyday there's a new debate going on, even if we won't really have the answer till the movie comes out. but it's an entertaining debate nonetheless :cyclops:
cyke93
04-22-2006, 10:48 PM
with the same talking points .. lol
Bishop2
04-22-2006, 11:08 PM
It just occurred to me that this is the only Marvel movie coming out this year.
Well, unless you count the direct-to-DVD animated features.
But still. Last year we had two (plus Man-Thing on DVD), the year before that it was three, the year before that it was also three. Not since 2002 have we gone for a year with only one Marvel movie hitting theaters. Of course, it's probably good to take a breather now and then.
Next year we'll back up to at least two, if not more.
Oh, right, Cyclops. Well you know, it would make more sense to me to kill the characters we spend a ton of time on (Wolverine, Magneto) in all the films so far instead of those that we've barely paid attention to. I mean, Marsden is one of those actors who you just KNOW would come back for more X-Men films if asked, even though actors like Berry and Jackman seem to think they've outgrown the series. Why dick with that? I hope they didn't.
cyke93
04-22-2006, 11:25 PM
well halle yes, jackman no i dont think. hugh is a good good, though i dont really like wolverine and he owes EVERYTHING to x-men .. which is why hes having his own solo series. but yeah marsdens down for anything, i hope he gets his due someday
GothicPowerMix1
04-23-2006, 12:03 AM
Marsden is one of those actors who you just KNOW would come back for more X-Men films if asked,
He'd do them for free :up:
cyke93
04-23-2006, 12:12 AM
he even said he;d do it for free..
GothicPowerMix1
04-23-2006, 12:28 AM
even if we won't really have the answer till the movie comes out. but it's an entertaining debate nonetheless :cyclops:
We wont have an real answer. I hope you guys dont even trust the Novel & Books. Because Jean lived in those to fool everyone in the X2 Books
cyke93
04-23-2006, 01:47 AM
found this old interview of james from 2003
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/04/25/james_marsden_x_men_2_interview.shtml
i like liked the following lines:
Cyclops doesn't have much luck in this movie. He gets beaten-up by two women and has his car stolen by Wolverine. That must be galling?
The way I justify it is: Wolverine wants Cyclops' life, so he tries stealing his bike, his girl and his car.
Do you like Cyclops?
I'm the antithesis of him. I'm very loose and languid and goofy and outgoing; he's very stiff and serious. He's not the kind of guy I'd like to hang out with in my normal daily life, but I do think it has to be there to be interesting for that butting of the heads between Wolverine and Cyclops. I'd definitely like to kick some more ass in the third one, though.
oh little did he knew that it would be his ass.. hehe.
Haha. You gotta love Jimmy Marsden. :D
cyke93
04-23-2006, 02:02 AM
well before i go to sleep.. i found another interesting interview from 2003, dont know if it has any relevance now but:
http://cgi1.usatoday.com/mchat/20030502004/tscript.htm
something i like:
Greencastle, IN: Are there any discussions of a future X-Men movie where Cyclops is more than just a straight man for the rest of the group? Enough Wolverine already.
James Marsden: Yes, but it's still premature to speculate about what happens in the third film. The end of the X2 is a setup for Jean and Dark Phoenix in 3.
Ashburnham, MA: Are you satisfied with Cyclops role in the X-Wen team in this film? Why or why not? What would you like to do in these movies?
James Marsden: I am, in that there's so many cast members, and Bryan Singer gives everyone something to do within our time frame.I'd like to see more of the comic book Cyclops come into play, where he's the leader of the group. because the cast is so large, Bryan has to focus on everyone so it's a true ensemble, but I'd love to get into Jean Gray's and Cyclops's relationship and introduce his brother Havoc.
Havoc? That's interesting. :up:
TromaFreak64
04-23-2006, 02:26 AM
well before i go to sleep.. i found another interesting interview from 2003, dont know if it has any relevance now but:
http://cgi1.usatoday.com/mchat/20030502004/tscript.htm
something i like:
Greencastle, IN: Are there any discussions of a future X-Men movie where Cyclops is more than just a straight man for the rest of the group? Enough Wolverine already.
James Marsden: Yes, but it's still premature to speculate about what happens in the third film. The end of the X2 is a setup for Jean and Dark Phoenix in 3.
Ashburnham, MA: Are you satisfied with Cyclops role in the X-Wen team in this film? Why or why not? What would you like to do in these movies?
James Marsden: I am, in that there's so many cast members, and Bryan Singer gives everyone something to do within our time frame.I'd like to see more of the comic book Cyclops come into play, where he's the leader of the group. because the cast is so large, Bryan has to focus on everyone so it's a true ensemble, but I'd love to get into Jean Gray's and Cyclops's relationship and introduce his brother Havoc.
Nice. Haven't seen this in a while.
I wasn't around during the X2 days. So, any more of Jimmy's interviews? :up:
cyke93
04-23-2006, 10:07 AM
I wasn't around during the X2 days. So, any more of Jimmy's interviews? :up:
your 3 years old !? ehehe .. they're out there, i just googled his name and check on like the 10th page onward and you'll find stuff.
CapBeerCino
04-23-2006, 10:13 AM
I'm going to make my 3000th post in my favourite thread
IMO it's definitely Scotts scream
Congrat! Im waiting to see your new avvy (maybe even add Cyke this time...)
If you're still talking about that scream I guess I didnt miss anything good... :p
Octoberist
04-23-2006, 10:35 AM
It just occurred to me that this is the only Marvel movie coming out this year.
Well, unless you count the direct-to-DVD animated features.
But still. Last year we had two (plus Man-Thing on DVD), the year before that it was three, the year before that it was also three. Not since 2002 have we gone for a year with only one Marvel movie hitting theaters. Of course, it's probably good to take a breather now and then.
Next year we'll back up to at least two, if not more.
I dont' understand why Marvel hasn't got off of their rears, and do adaptations of Captain America and Iron Man.
ShadowBoxing
04-23-2006, 10:41 AM
Havoc? That's interesting. :up:Its actually spelled "Havok"
CapBeerCino
04-23-2006, 10:46 AM
I cant help but feel he mentioned Havok only to show he knows a little about the canon. :o Love him anyways :p
Id love to see Havok in the next movie
wobbly
04-23-2006, 11:08 AM
It just occurred to me that this is the only Marvel movie coming out this year.
Well, unless you count the direct-to-DVD animated features.
But still. Last year we had two (plus Man-Thing on DVD), the year before that it was three, the year before that it was also three. Not since 2002 have we gone for a year with only one Marvel movie hitting theaters. Of course, it's probably good to take a breather now and then.
Next year we'll back up to at least two, if not more.
We'd have had more if better jobs had been done on both the Hulk & Daredevil (though in the latters case releasing the original directors version may have helped there). Next year looks like being at least 3: Spider-man 3, Ghost Rider & Fantastic Four 2, but other than these I don't think much is confirmed in bringing other Marvel characters to the big screen atm.
Tony Stark
04-23-2006, 11:11 AM
I cant help but feel he mentioned Havok only to show he knows a little about the canon. :o Love him anyways :p
But he's always admitted he knew little about the cannon before the film. Really Michael Chiklis was the only guy even in a Marvel film that knew anything about his character before being cast.
Aiden
04-23-2006, 11:11 AM
Congrat! Im waiting to see your new avvy (maybe even add Cyke this time...)
If you're still talking about that scream I guess I didnt miss anything good... :pGlances to the side
peteapan
04-23-2006, 11:15 AM
From new Total Film "Wolverine and Jean's relationship this time goes further than its ever gone before" says Jackman.
Boo
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