Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[StevieNicks1988]

Brings back up what I said a while back in another thread. There is no way they'd let Cyke die that way, especially for this storyline, when it involves his own wife. I think the only reason we see those scenes with Cyke in this trailer is to show the audience that he's become a rogue of sorts and has become sort've unstable since his wife's passing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Brings back up what I said a while back in another thread. There is no way they'd let Cyke die that way, especially for this storyline, when it involves his own wife. I think the only reason we see those scenes with Cyke in this trailer is to show the audience that he's become a rogue of sorts and has become sort've unstable since his wife's passing.There is more at play here with his character that the studio is not telling us

[cookiva]

There is more at play here with his character that the studio is not telling us

I have never once thought that he is the one who is dying in X3 (if there are any deaths at all). He is too important!!!

[Superman \S/]

Can anyone post the scene where he yells takes off his shades and blasts in anger? Thanks Much appriciated. But i have to go so if you can please me it to me. Thanks for helping an X fan out. :up:

[Superman \S/]

Can anyone post the scene where he yells takes off his shades and blasts in anger? Thanks Much appriciated. But i have to go so if you can please me it to me. Thanks for helping an X fan out. :up:

[Abaddon]

Brings back up what I said a while back in another thread. There is no way they'd let Cyke die that way, especially for this storyline, when it involves his own wife. I think the only reason we see those scenes with Cyke in this trailer is to show the audience that he's become a rogue of sorts and has become sort've unstable since his wife's passing.


Fiancee,actually.

[Superman \S/]

Can anyone post the scene where he yells takes off his shades and blasts in anger? Thanks Much appriciated. But i have to go so if you can please me it to me. Thanks for helping an X fan out. :up:

[StevieNicks1988]

You know, now that I think of it, just showing THAT scene doesn't mean much anyway, they only show Angel once too, while Beast is shown a lot, and we all know Angel and his father are a key part of the story, as well as Leech, who is also only shown once.

[Abaddon]

Brings back up what I said a while back in another thread. There is no way they'd let Cyke die that way, especially for this storyline, when it involves his own wife. I think the only reason we see those scenes with Cyke in this trailer is to show the audience that he's become a rogue of sorts and has become sort've unstable since his wife's passing.


Fiancee,actually.

[ShadowBoxing]

Hey guys remember Emma Frost was cast in the movie all of the sudden and no one knows why...could she be Cyclop's new wife

[ShadowBoxing]

Hey guys remember Emma Frost was cast in the movie all of the sudden and no one knows why...could she be Cyclop's new wife

[Abaddon]

Brings back up what I said a while back in another thread. There is no way they'd let Cyke die that way, especially for this storyline, when it involves his own wife. I think the only reason we see those scenes with Cyke in this trailer is to show the audience that he's become a rogue of sorts and has become sort've unstable since his wife's passing.


Fiancee,actually.

[the a1ant]

It does feel like they're making it too obvious that Cyclops dies...I mean, the trailer hints at this from what we already know, and Arad not mentioning Cyke on the F4 DVD....so maybe it all is some ploy? I really hope so, cause I don't want him gone. That photo on the official site looks like he didn't even do any official photoshoots though. :(

[Slim_X]

I thought that it was pretty obvious that he dies when I saw the teaser, but now that I think about it, maybe FOX is just playing with our minds. They know a lot of us think Cyke will die, so maybe they did the teaser that way so we can speculate even more. Who knows? :confused:

EDIT: lol @ Ant's post. Looks like we think the same.

[StevieNicks1988]

I think they've got something up their sleeve. I bet you Cyke has more to do with the movie than we expect.

[Specter313]

Hey guys remember Emma Frost was cast in the movie all of the sudden and no one knows why...could she be Cyclop's new wife

She's not in the movie.

[ShadowBoxing]

She's not in the movie.so what the rumor about the blonde chick was false...same with M

[ShadowBoxing]

I think what still sticks me as odd is that his cast pic shows him in costume from the neck down...hmmmmmm

[Specter313]

so what the rumor about the blonde chick was false...same with M

Both the actresses are still in the movie and the one is still playing M, but Emma is not being played by the other one.

[StevieNicks1988]

Is Scott actually in costume?

[Abaddon]

Somebody help me view the trailer.Nothing I've tried works.I want to see Cyke bite it.:o:(

[StevieNicks1988]

He doesn't bite anything. He screams at the sky in rage and shoots his beam. How is that biting the dust?

[amanda]

This is quite an irreverant observation... I could see Cyke's fillings in the shouting scene... :O

[ShadowBoxing]

Is Scott actually in costume?absolutely. The promo pick shows him in black leather...the other question that I have...is why is he so close to the top

[ShadowBoxing]

This is quite an irreverant observation... I could see Cyke's fillings in the shouting scene... :Oyeah we all could...he has a lot

[StevieNicks1988]

Yes, and its obvious the main characters have the mugshots, i.e. why Colossus, Mystique, Stacy X, ext aren't there.

[cookiva]

absolutely. The promo pick shows him in black leather...the other question that I have...is why is he so close to the top

Either because he is Cyclops, and he has to be (and they will kill him off)

OR

He is vital to the film!!!!:) :up:

[ShadowBoxing]

Somebody help me view the trailer.Nothing I've tried works.I want to see Cyke bite it.:o:(DL the latest updates for Quicktime (free ones)

[Another_Fool]

I think what still sticks me as odd is that his cast pic shows him in costume from the neck down...hmmmmmm


Which Cast pic are you talking about? And are you sure its not from the previous x-flicks?

[Abaddon]

He doesn't bite anything. He screams at the sky in rage and shoots his beam. How is that biting the dust?


You tell me,you saw the trailer.:o

[ShadowBoxing]

Which Cast pic are you talking about? And are you sure its not from the previous x-flicks?did he have a five o'clock shadow in the last X-Men

[Another_Fool]

did he have a five o'clock shadow in the last X-Men

If youre talking about the photos on the official website, look closely, thats the same outfit as his jacket. The collar and everything. Black shirt underneath. I'm sorry, but I've got the creepy feeling he will indeed die in this flick.

See, I don't mind necessarily if he dies, but it seems like he will be dying so unceremoniously that it really bugs me. And hell, I'm not even much a Cyclops fan. But knowing the whole Dark Phoenix saga, I was really looking forward to Cyclops playing THE MAIN ROLE for this film. eh. I'm sure this wouldn't have happened if he was available for the movie. I blame Singer for the seeming doom of Cyke, even though I look forward to Superman Returns. He could've easily filled someone else for the character Marsden plays in Returns.

[StevieNicks1988]

Again, Cyclops could NOT be an X-Man in this film, but that doesn't mean he won't be in it or dead. He could still be very much in this movie, just not a part of the team.

[Another_Fool]

I certainly hope so. I WANT to be wrong. I want to say when I see the movie that I was dead wrong about Cyke's fate.

[StevieNicks1988]

Like someone else said, McKellen didn't film long for X2 just like Marsden didn't for X3. Also, a producer said Cyke played a big part. Dying in the beginning of the movie ain't a big part. lol

[Dugath]

Well from the teaser I can only think that Pheonix killed Scott and gave what was left of him... his glasses to Wolverine.

[StevieNicks1988]

Well you can't really tell seeing as they never really show enough. Plus, the mugshots are of all the main characters, Mystique isn't there and everyone knows that she dies, so why is Scott there?

[Balthus Dire]

He clearly either dies or gets absorbed.



In the trailer Wolverine finds his glasses floating in mid air after Cyclops screams at Alkalai Lake.

[xmen-rox!]

I think Cyclops promotional picture is a edited still from the movie. If u look at it closely the suit looks digitaly added in and if he were wearing his suit he wudnt have his sun glasses he wud have the combat specs. also everyone else is looking at the camera, he is just looking down. I think he bites the dust quick and that REALLY SUX! i hope he doesnt die. COMMON Do CYCLOPES JUSTICE!!

[Octoberist]

I saw the samething on that website. Mardsen's picture wasn't done in a studio like the rest of the cast. BS!

[Minisinoo]

Guys, first, quit with the wishful thinking. Whether or not Scott "ought" to live has absolutely nothing to do with whether he will. The X-films do not mirror the comics. Saying that they 'just can't' kill him off means nothing. That's opinion, not even reasonable speculation. Back it up with evidence, please.

I've seen nothing from the trailer that convinces me that Cyclops has any more role in this film than he had in that leaked script. As I've pointed out multiple times, at NO POINT has Fox ever -- point blank -- denied his death. They have only said he has a significant role.

Well, you know what? Dying accidentally at Jean's hands and causing her distress/grief enough to lead her to Dark Phoenix IS a "significant role."

"Significant" means important. It is not a synonym for "big" in terms of screen time.

What I see in the trailer is an attempt to make Cyclops' role look bigger than it probably is -- perhaps to pacify fans (who the studio knows are on edge about the lack of Cyclops). If I see any 'conspiracy' here, it's to make the role look more important, not less. They even spliced the same scene so that it appears to be two scenes. As for the red beams shooting in that one section where Storm is leaping down ... maybe Cyclops, but another equally likely possibility is Sentinel fire. It actually appears to be more like the latter. Cyke's beam is usually continuous in the films. Those beams are "bolts" of energy, broken up, not continuous.

So ... Cyke is in no scene that I can tell except the lake. Maybe he does come back at the end, but for now, it's not looking at all good.

(As for McKellen and Marsden having the same time on set, I'd like to see that as hope, but McKellen has a LOT more clout as an actor than Marsden. He can, reasonably, ask the studio to fix shooting schedules around his own schedule if he needs to be elsewhere. Marsden can't. Lack of studio time in his case probably translates to a small role. I also can't help but think of the fact his name is listed down with supporting cast, on the IMDb. And while we all know the IMDb is notoriously unreliable, his name initially appeared with the other stars and was MOVED at the same time other substantial changes were made, including the addition of crew, etc., ... all probably done by someone with some real connection to the production. That backs up the sense that Marsden's role is small.)

[StevieNicks1988]

People, use your senses, please. If he bites the dusk so fast, then why oh why did producers say he was a big part of the film AND he was filming on set for a couple of weeks, not just a couple days. For him to filming just one or two scenes over a period of a couple weeks is so stupid its pathetic, especially with the tight and rushed schedule they are under. I mean, hello!? Please oh please do not forget the fact that Sir Ian got ALL of his scenes filmed in a matter of weeks and he had a very large role in X2. So why can't Cyclops here, eh? Leech has a descent role, only shown once in the teaser. Angel has a descent role, only shown once in the teaser. Cyclops, its unknown, and he was shown more than once.

[Octoberist]

Because as a producer, you have the stretch the truth a wee bit.

[WorthyStevens]

Well you can't really tell seeing as they never really show enough. Plus, the mugshots are of all the main characters, Mystique isn't there and everyone knows that she dies, so why is Scott there?

Since when does Mystique die? :confused:

I heard she gets injected with the serum, but that's about it.

[Octoberist]

If I was the director, I would have several nude scenes with Rebeca with the makeup. It fits the character, right?

[Yellow Cyclone]

actually fitting the character, would be doing nude scenes with ALL the actresses....at once :joker:

[Octoberist]

Yes. THAT'S THE MONEY MAKER!

[StevieNicks1988]

Okay then, drop the producer. Marsden went in to film X-Men 3 over a period of one or two weeks, the time in which he had off for SR. If he filmed one or two weeks, you know they were filming more than his Alkali Lake scene, as with the tight and rushed schedule the movie is under. Cyclops, even if he DOES die, I suspect will have a good amount of descent screen time, at least more than 5 scenes, as because like with McKellen in X2, they went ahead and got all his scenes nailed while he was available. Just because the early 6 day rough draft says he died doesn't mean squat and isn't a reliable source, as the script goes through changes every single day of every single week since the beginning of pre-production to even now.

[Octoberist]

i JUST prey to GOD that he dies like a champ. But either way, I don't want him to die, ESP if they're going ahead with X4.

Gambit or not, I want X4 to be Cyclops' movie.

[StevieNicks1988]

There is really no proof what-so-ever that he dies, except for the old script, which isn't concrete evidence like most people think it is. Do they show ANYTHING that says Cyke dies? No. Do they show all of the X-Men present at Jean's home neighborhood to prove Scott isn't there? No, all they show is Storm and 3 Brotherhood members. What about the giant ending battle sequence, any indication Scott is not present? No, besides Beast, no other X-Men were shown. He could VERY WELL be in those scenes OR return to save Jean at the ending of the movie. We all know why Jean goes psycho, because of Prof X and the mental blocks, which is likely how she ends up with Magneto, a little brainwashing here and there. Also, the her and Wolvy crying scene could just be her reaction from being dead to being back alive again.

[Octoberist]

The thing is this: Judging from the teaser and the some of set reports, there's a lack of Marsden action going on.

I prefer my theory that Cyclops gets into a coma, but is linked to the Phoenix. OR, he goes AWOL and then comes back in the end. OR, gets killed but gets brought back to life by Phoenix.

Either way, I have a feeling that he won't have a lot of screentime in the movie. Just a theory.

[StevieNicks1988]

True, I just have that general feeling, one way or another, he's featured in the ending when the good Jean comes back.

[Octoberist]

People are talking about that funeral right?

It makes sense if it's Xavier's funeral. It gives a reason for Beast and Moria (and other old friends) to be there. It shows the history of Xaiver, and the people he knew.

Obviously, if Xavier had a funeral, then Cyclops would have one too. But I only heard of one funeral, so perhaps Cyclops is still alive (i hope)

But let's say Cyclops died and there's no funeral or service (even if there's no body). Wouldn't that p#ss you off?

[StevieNicks1988]

Thats why I think he's still alive, just somewhere else. Because they would likely mention him as well at the funeral. Of course, its a possibility the funeral IS for the both of them, but I doubt it.

[Octoberist]

It'll be overkill (no pun intended) to have two characters die and combine the funeral service. I dont' know about that...

[Tony Stark]

There is really no proof what-so-ever that he dies, except for the old script, which isn't concrete evidence like most people think it is. Do they show ANYTHING that says Cyke dies? No. Do they show all of the X-Men present at Jean's home neighborhood to prove Scott isn't there? No, all they show is Storm and 3 Brotherhood members. What about the giant ending battle sequence, any indication Scott is not present? No, besides Beast, no other X-Men were shown. He could VERY WELL be in those scenes OR return to save Jean at the ending of the movie. We all know why Jean goes psycho, because of Prof X and the mental blocks, which is likely how she ends up with Magneto, a little brainwashing here and there. Also, the her and Wolvy crying scene could just be her reaction from being dead to being back alive again.

Sorry but AICN has a very good track record on this stuff. As I mentioned, they called the Absorbing Dad thing, in the Hulk and people kept denying it. They called the power loss plot in SM2 and people kept denying it. They called the changing of Dr. Doom origin in FF and people kept denying it.

Scott is gonna die, and you saw exactly how in the trailer. He's going to go out like a punk, and they're going to kill Xavier to boot. This is how much the studio cares about Marvel Characters. They were so greedy that they pushed Singer out the door, along with all his writers, and punished Marsden for taking a role in SR.

Fox blew this one, and like I said those two decisions to kill off these characters is going to outweigh the cool stuff that looks to be in this film.

[StevieNicks1988]

Where's the proof, then? A 6 day rough draft script is not proof, it's a DRAFt for a reason. The script is re-worked and changed and re-written all through-out production. Practically ANYTHING could have been changed and they very well could've taken out the death after the backlash, or just decided to do whatever, like when Bryan Singer decided WHILE FILMING to kill off Jean Grey at the end of the movie to set up a potential Phoenix storyline.

[Yellow Cyclone]

Sorry but AICN has a very good track record on this stuff. As I mentioned, they called the Absorbing Dad thing, in the Hulk and people kept denying it. They called the power loss plot in SM2 and people kept denying it. They called the changing of Dr. Doom origin in FF and people kept denying it.

Scott is gonna die, and you saw exactly how in the trailer. He's going to go out like a punk, and they're going to kill Xavier to boot. This is how much the studio cares about Marvel Characters. They were so greedy that they pushed Singer out the door, along with all his writers, and punished Marsden for taking a role in SR.

Fox blew this one, and like I said those two decisions to kill off these characters is going to outweigh the cool stuff that looks to be in this film.

i fear that this is so true :(

[StevieNicks1988]

I still won't believe it till I see it, especially coming from a rough draft and the fact a lot of stuff in the past 2 X-films were changed or re-written in the script while filming. Especially the fact Marsden was on set 2 weeks. There ain't no damn way he was on set filming for two weeks doing one scene. Not with their tight schedule.

[Tony Stark]

Where's the proof, then? A 6 day rough draft script is not proof, it's a DRAFt for a reason. The script is re-worked and changed and re-written all through-out production. Practically ANYTHING could have been changed and they very well could've taken out the death after the backlash, or just decided to do whatever, like when Bryan Singer decided WHILE FILMING to kill off Jean Grey at the end of the movie to set up a potential Phoenix storyline.


It's called preponderance of evidence. Other than the Alkali Lake scene, name one photo or clip or any other scene that has Cyke in it.

[StevieNicks1988]

Other than whats seen in the trailer, name any other scene in the film of importance thats actually IN the movie that deals with Angel and Leech. For that matter, just the fact that Marsden was on set AND filming for two weeks sheds the fact that Alkali Lake is his only big scene, as McKellen did ALL his scenes in a little over 2 weeks, so bah. This arguement is pointless, as none of us have the ACTUAL UPDATED script they are using for filming, so whats the point? Cyke could die like in the draft, it could've been updated and changed since then and he could get injured and come back at the end, who the hell knows? The people making the film. The teaser doesn't show enough. It just teases.

[galahadwriter]

Cyclops dies.

here's why i think so. go to the official site. look at the character banners.

most of them are clearly publicity shots, the actor, or actress, is looking at the camera and in character.

look at cyclops. he's not facing the camera. he's looking down. is it hard to think that's a shot taken from the film, then professionally photoshopped so it appears to match the other character banners? that's how it seems to me anyway.

granted, Prof X isn't looking at the camera either. funny considering those are the two rumored to go. and in the "funeral" or "memorial" scene, Storm is dropping two white roses.

ugh, i hate it. i want to like the movie, but why kill off major characters. especially after cyclops wasn't used nearly enough in X2, i had hoped he'd get much more to do in a movie using Phoenix among other plots. 'hope i'm wrong in May 06.

[StevieNicks1988]

As I said in another thread, if he DOES go, I'd rather him go in a way that'll affect the storyline and progress it forward so his death was that of an importance to the film, than have nothing to do AGAIN and p*ssyfoot around.

[Minisinoo]

Stevie -- You're simply repeating your opinion. It's not convincing. You keep challenging people to produce proof that he dies and say the AICN script doesn't count. But what you seem to be IGNORING is that Fox has very neatly sidestepped ever saying he doesn't die. Show me ONE report where they say, "Woops, no that rumor is false." They don't. All their comments are ducking the main question. I can tell you -- as a professional author -- that 'revisions' do NOT mean changing the basic plot arc. I make "substantial" revisions all the time that don't change points of the plot from the original draft. Don't be gullible, based on a wish. So far, the rumor has come forward from a fairly reliable rumor mill that he dies; it's never been denied by TPTB. They've only practiced some fancy misdirection. Therefore, the burden of proof actually rests on those who claim he doesn't die, and does have a big (in terms of scenetime) role. You can't just reject the script and say it 'doesn't count.' Based on what? Fox's word? Sorry, it's their JOB to convince people such an early leaked script isn't the filming script. My only hope is that we didn't see the third act.

I have seen NOTHING that tells me Cyke has any kind of major role in this film ... and much that suggests the opposite. So if you can find a Fox exec who'll tell you point blank, 'No, he doesn't die' -- and can cite it for me -- then I'll believe you. But until that point, I see circumstantial evidence that backs up the AICN script suggestion Scott bites it, or at least has a very small role.

Now, I am an ENORMOUS Cyke fangirl. I'd LOVE him to have a good role. I just see no evidence that he does, and the continual protests that he MUST, or that it's LOGICAL for him to ... no. That's opinion. Means nothing. Wishful thinking. Show me the EVIDENCE. I'm not seeing any, and the trailer merely confirms what I feared.

[Ions]

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ions/CykeLives.gif
Cykes other appearance! Unless you wanna convince me those aren't Cykes blasts and Storm troopers have arrived to blast Storm... :D :cyclops:
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[PikaZeroX]

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ions/CykeLives.gif
Cykes other appearance! Unless you wanna convince me those aren't Cykes blasts and Storm troopers have arrived to blast Storm... :D :cyclops:
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Uh ueah, Isn't that from the danger room sequence? It's probably danger room guns.

[conan69]

Anyone who think Cyclops is disposable doesnt understand the character or the Xmen.

Its ridiculous.

But I think part of the blame has to be placed on Marsden. He accepted the role in Superman Returns.

What I dont understand is why JM has spent so much time in Australia with SR when its just a supporting role.

[Ions]

Uh ueah, Isn't that from the danger room sequence? It's probably danger room guns.Shhhhh. [Ions winks knowingly]:) :up:


[Ions wonders if anyone gets the reference]:(

[BrlntDsgse]

Fiancee,actually.

Uhhh....nope. Sorry, but you're wrong there. In X2, there's the scene where Jean tells Logan, "Girls always flirt with the bad guy, but they go home with the good guy......I married a good guy." I guess that they must have gotten married sometime inbetween the events of 1 & 2, so it wasn't shown, but they were married, nonetheless.

[ShadowBoxing]

The thing is this: Judging from the teaser and the some of set reports, there's a lack of Marsden action going on.

I prefer my theory that Cyclops gets into a coma, but is linked to the Phoenix. OR, he goes AWOL and then comes back in the end. OR, gets killed but gets brought back to life by Phoenix.

Either way, I have a feeling that he won't have a lot of screentime in the movie. Just a theory.I actually think people are convoluting this wayyyyy too much. The scene shown in the trailer actually makes no sense if he dies since well no one else is around (cannot explain the glasses thing) but I think its fairly obvious whats going on in that scene. Logan has just told Scott his wife came back from the dead, is crazy and Scott goes nutty

[Jan Irisi]

Uhhh....nope. Sorry, but you're wrong there. In X2, there's the scene where Jean tells Logan, "Girls always flirt with the bad guy, but they go home with the good guy......I married a good guy." I guess that they must have gotten married sometime inbetween the events of 1 & 2, so it wasn't shown, but they were married, nonetheless.


No. The quote was "They marry the good guy."

It was never established at all that they were married. They remained engaged.

[BrlntDsgse]

But I think part of the blame has to be placed on Marsden. He accepted the role in Superman Returns.




How does Marsden taking a minor role in another film mean that he takes ANY of the blame for his character being shortchanged? Especially since this is the kind of treatment Cyke recieved in both of the other 2 films as well, BEFORE he had a part in SR. It's the execs at FOX and their mentality that Wolverine has to completely dominate the franchise that is to blame. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Cyclops DOES die in X3 and Wolverine finally "gets the girl". I'll be disgusted and disappointed.....but not surprised.

[ShadowBoxing]

How does Marsden taking a minor role in another film mean that he takes ANY of the blame for his character being shortchanged? Especially since this is the kind of treatment Cyke recieved in both of the other 2 films as well, BEFORE he had a part in SR. It's the execs at FOX and their mentality that Wolverine has to completely dominate the franchise that is to blame. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Cyclops DOES die in X3 and Wolverine finally "gets the girl". I'll be disgusted and disappointed.....but not surprised.Yeah but Logan gets Ororo not Jean

[ShadowBoxing]

Stevie -- You're simply repeating your opinion. It's not convincing. You keep challenging people to produce proof that he dies and say the AICN script doesn't count. But what you seem to be IGNORING is that Fox has very neatly sidestepped ever saying he doesn't die. Show me ONE report where they say, "Woops, no that rumor is false." They don't. All their comments are ducking the main question. I can tell you -- as a professional author -- that 'revisions' do NOT mean changing the basic plot arc. I make "substantial" revisions all the time that don't change points of the plot from the original draft. Don't be gullible, based on a wish. So far, the rumor has come forward from a fairly reliable rumor mill that he dies; it's never been denied by TPTB. They've only practiced some fancy misdirection. Therefore, the burden of proof actually rests on those who claim he doesn't die, and does have a big (in terms of scenetime) role. You can't just reject the script and say it 'doesn't count.' Based on what? Fox's word? Sorry, it's their JOB to convince people such an early leaked script isn't the filming script. My only hope is that we didn't see the third act.

I have seen NOTHING that tells me Cyke has any kind of major role in this film ... and much that suggests the opposite. So if you can find a Fox exec who'll tell you point blank, 'No, he doesn't die' -- and can cite it for me -- then I'll believe you. But until that point, I see circumstantial evidence that backs up the AICN script suggestion Scott bites it, or at least has a very small role.

Now, I am an ENORMOUS Cyke fangirl. I'd LOVE him to have a good role. I just see no evidence that he does, and the continual protests that he MUST, or that it's LOGICAL for him to ... no. That's opinion. Means nothing. Wishful thinking. Show me the EVIDENCE. I'm not seeing any, and the trailer merely confirms what I feared.FOX has since come out and said the draft was rewritten and furthermore that there would be ONE death in the film. It could still be Cyclops...however then that means there was a lot of misdirection in that trailer on Xavier's part

I personally think he goes AWOL (yes for the entire film)

[EndlesIn]

If Cyclops Dies I'm going to be pissed, he's one of the hitters in X-men and one of my Favs, If he dies that's going to upset alot of fans and make Kids hate x-men. The reason I say this is because Cyclops is protrayed as the leader of the X-men in the comics, and cartoons and wolverine the Hothead, Kids Love the Leader and always love the leader. I like Wolverine but I don't like the fact that they keep pushing him to the front of everything. Cyclops should be a main character of the film and he better not die.

Also you can't blame JM because unlike Halley, Jackman he's not as Famous as they are and so its easy to over look the character he plays. If anyones to blame is marvel not trying to push for more Cyc to Fox.

[the a1ant]

Ok, why do we think Cyke is screaming at the sky? Is he screaming at Jean flying into the sky? Is he just really angry and screams at the sky thinking he's alone? Or is Jean doing something to him that makes him scream? Hmmm....:p

[cookiva]

FOX has since come out and said the draft was rewritten and furthermore that there would be ONE death in the film. It could still be Cyclops...however then that means there was a lot of misdirection in that trailer on Xavier's part

I personally think he goes AWOL (yes for the entire film)

I think he goes AWOL, but he comes back in the end to kill Phoenix. Shes going to go loco, and the only one who can stop her is Cyke. Prof. X tries, and he dies, so Cyke tries, and we finally see him unleash his full potential.

[Jan Irisi]

Ok, why do we think Cyke is screaming at the sky? Is he screaming at Jean flying into the sky? Is he just really angry and screams at the sky thinking he's alone? Or is Jean doing something to him that makes him scream? Hmmm....:p


My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene)

And think about this. What if it is the blast Scott makes in anger at the lake is the thing that makes Jean rise? Then something happens that we haven't seen in the footage, and later, as Wolverine is looking for the missing Scott, he finds the visor floating? He possibly finds Jean as well and returns her to the mansion, still assuming that Jean did something to Scott (note the scene in the trailer where Jean is crying with Wolverine comforting her. Could he be telling her that she may have killed/caused harm to Scott?)

Anyway, that's my specualtion, tying several portions of the trailer together.

[cookiva]

My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene)

And think about this. What if it is the blast Scott makes in anger at the lake is the thing that makes Jean rise? Then something happens that we haven't seen in the footage, and later, as Wolverine is looking for the missing Scott, he finds the visor floating? He possibly finds Jean as well and returns her to the mansion, still assuming that Jean did something to Scott (note the scene in the trailer where Jean is crying with Wolverine comforting her. Could he be telling her that she may have killed/caused harm to Scott?)

Anyway, that's my specualtion, tying several portions of the trailer together.

I agree. I think he left the Xmen after Jeans death, and Logan goes looking for him. During the scene when Wolverine finds Cyke, we have the Memorial service cutting in and out.

[Octoberist]

FOX has since come out and said the draft was rewritten and furthermore that there would be ONE death in the film. It could still be Cyclops...however then that means there was a lot of misdirection in that trailer on Xavier's part

I personally think he goes AWOL (yes for the entire film)

They never said one death...They said there will be deathS in the movie.

[Endeavor]

OK, I'm not thrilled with the fact they are killing Cyke but that was not what Avi was talking about when he said "idiots".



He was defending Ratner's resume, which he had every right to do. Ratner did not write the screen play. He did not choose for Cyclops to die. He was given a script and told to direct the film.

Blame Ari for hiring bad screen writers or for not going to bat for the characters when the writers decided to kill him off. But Avi was not calling the fans idiots because they were upset Cyke died. So get your facts straight.

First, when you're quoting two people, please make sure both are mentioned. It looks like I said everything you referenced, which is not the case.

Second, Arad's "idiot" comment was not limited to, but did include the fan's reaction to Cyclops' death. He said "idiots" when the reporter asked him what he thought of fan's reactions to AICN's draft review. He then later went on to address the different issues people had a problem with and what he thought about those concerns, which included the comment about 'deaths in the comics', etc. But the 'idiot' comment was made before and it was an all-encompassing observation based on the fact that people were giving negative feedback.
I do have the facts straight... Thanks ;) :p

[sebaa]

Is Cyclops Leaving The X Men??? He Wasnt Wearing The Suit And He Diddnt Walk With The Other X Men..

[Octoberist]

Arad's 'idiot' comment early on was a compulsive response. Personaly, I hope it doesn't happen again.

[cookiva]

First, when you're quoting two people, please make sure both are mentioned. It looks like I said everything you referenced, which is not the case.

Second, Arad's "idiot" comment was not limited to, but did include the fan's reaction to Cyclops' death. He said "idiots" when the reporter asked him what he thought of fan's reactions to AICN's draft review. He then later went on to address the different issues people had a problem with and what he thought about those concerns, which included the comment about 'deaths in the comics', etc. But the 'idiot' comment was made before and it was an all-encompassing observation based on the fact that people were giving negative feedback.
I do have the facts straight... Thanks ;) :p


You show him, Endeavor!!!

[Comfortador]

Is Cyclops Leaving The X Men??? He Wasnt Wearing The Suit And He Diddnt Walk With The Other X Men..

Every time Jean or one of his loves dies or leaves him or comes back to life, he always leaves the team and goes on an alcohol/escapist binge. This looks to be the same. It appears as if he travels back to the site of Jean's death to rage against the heavens for his loss.

[cookiva]

Every time Jean or one of his loves dies or leaves him or comes back to life, he always leaves the team and goes on an alcohol/escapist binge. This looks to be the same. It appears as if he travels back to the site of Jean's death to rage against the heavens for his loss.

Couldnt put it better myself.

[aaron]

My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene)

And think about this. What if it is the blast Scott makes in anger at the lake is the thing that makes Jean rise? Then something happens that we haven't seen in the footage, and later, as Wolverine is looking for the missing Scott, he finds the visor floating? He possibly finds Jean as well and returns her to the mansion, still assuming that Jean did something to Scott (note the scene in the trailer where Jean is crying with Wolverine comforting her. Could he be telling her that she may have killed/caused harm to Scott?)

Anyway, that's my specualtion, tying several portions of the trailer together.

interesting

[Endeavor]

Well, about Cyclops... I hate to repeat what has been said for months and countless of pages, but the fact is things don't look good.
That power manifestation we saw behind Storm could be Cyclop's, yeah, but that's clearly the Danger Room sequence. So even it is him firing off his optic blasts, that could still be in the film's opening sequence and does not speak to his survival or size of role.
Fact is the two instances we do actually see him is one scene (split in two) in which he's alone at Alkali Lake and in obvious anguish/distress.
Fact is the only other evidence of him we see are his telekinetically suspended glasses being grabbed by Logan.
Things are thus far still looking pretty much like that AICN draft description...
Even if he were to somehow survive and be revealed alive at the end, only to be shown in a coma or in some other way incapacitated and therefore absent from the bulk of the film, that IS STILL UNACCEPTIBLE!
One of the key plot threads in this movie deals with Jean Grey's resurrection and corruption. This is the love of his life. This story should therefore have him front and center and very involved, not sidelined like he was in X2.
These flashes we saw of Wolverine with Jean in the infirmary, touching her and grabbing her when she is crying (although I get the obvious hint at role revelsal from their encounter scene in X1) should have been with Cyclops. As was clearly stated at the end of X2, she chose HIM(Scott). Logan should be completely out of the picture where Jean is concerned. Instead they have him front and center, yet again...
Whatever... it's pointless to even continue talking about this.

[conan69]

"My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene) "


All information points to the funeral being at the end.

The scene with Cyclops at the lake is way before that. Scott isnt at the funeral because hes dead, which sucks.

Everyone is gathered around one large tombstone, but everything seems to point to Prof X, Scott and Jean all being gone by the end of the film - which would point to Storm being left in charge - which is a STUPID idea.

If Halle doesnt want to do anymore, why put her in that position?

"How does Marsden taking a minor role in another film mean that he takes ANY of the blame for his character being shortchanged?"

Because of his lack of availability.Thats my point exactly. It is a minor role, so why is he still there? Why does it take 7 months to film a minor role?

[cookiva]

"My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene) "


All information points to the funeral being at the end.

The scene with Cyclops at the lake is way before that. Scott isnt at the funeral because hes dead, which sucks.

Everyone is gathered around one large tombstone, but everything seems to point to Prof X, Scott and Jean all being gone by the end of the film - which would point to Storm being left in charge - which is a STUPID idea.

If Halle doesnt want to do anymore, why put her in that position?

Its not a funeral. Its a memorial service for Jean Grey.

[Jan Irisi]

"My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene) "


All information points to the funeral being at the end.

The scene with Cyclops at the lake is way before that. Scott isnt at the funeral because hes dead, which sucks.

Everyone is gathered around one large tombstone, but everything seems to point to Prof X, Scott and Jean all being gone by the end of the film - which would point to Storm being left in charge - which is a STUPID idea.

If Halle doesnt want to do anymore, why put her in that position?


He could simply opt not to attend the memorial for Jean. He could have left to mourn, rage, mope long before the memorial.

I am not saying that it won't be a memorial for Scott, I'm saying it could very well be a memorial for Jean that he is not attending, and as someone said earlier, the scenes of the memorial and scenes of him alone at the lake could alternate back and forth.

We have no idea exactly when this memorial takes place. It may be early in the film, it may be at the end. We cannot say with any certainty at this point what is going on yet until we have more evidence.

[spark627]

i really dont think scott will die so early in the movie, if at all. i think they are trying to trick us.

imo, prof x will be the only one to die

[Jan Irisi]

i really dont think scott will die so early in the movie, if at all. i think they are trying to trick us.

imo, prof x will be the only one to die

It may well be. Also, Magneto looks a bit pained in one shot too. Is someone hurting him? Hmmm..........

[cookiva]

It may well be. Also, Magneto looks a bit pained in one shot too. Is someone hurting him? Hmmm..........


I said awhile back that maybe its Charles and Magneto who die, and they have a funeral at the end of the film, for both.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think he goes AWOL, but he comes back in the end to kill Phoenix. Shes going to go loco, and the only one who can stop her is Cyke. Prof. X tries, and he dies, so Cyke tries, and we finally see him unleash his full potential.possibly they did say he had a pivotital role (Avi and Ratner)...which could mean he sacrifices himself to destroy Phoenix

[conan69]

IMHO when Rogue turns her head at during the memorial in the trailer, she'll be looking up at Magneto whos watching from afar.

[ShadowBoxing]

i really dont think scott will die so early in the movie, if at all. i think they are trying to trick us.

imo, prof x will be the only one to dieI agree...if that scene were really Scott's death they would have been more upfront about it...if he dies it will most likely be allong with Phoenix

[cookiva]

possibly they did say he had a pivotital role (Avi and Ratner)...which could mean he sacrifices himself to destroy Phoenix

Ratner is too much of a fan to let that happen to Cyke.

Wasnt the AICN draft of the script from when Vaughn was the director??? Hes not a fan, but Ratner is......

[ShadowBoxing]

IMHO when Rogue turns her head at during the memorial in the trailer, she'll be looking up at Magneto whos watching from afar.I kinda figured it was Wolverine walking in...or Cyclops if we are that lucky

[ShadowBoxing]

Ratner is too much of a fan to let that happen to Cyke.

Wasnt the AICN draft of the script from when Vaughn was the director??? Hes not a fan, but Ratner is......That actually is a point well made because tons of additions have been made to the story since. And understand that Directors have a huge amount of input on scripts. For example, the twist ending in Batman Begins was entirely Nolan

[cookiva]

That actually is a point well made because tons of additions have been made to the story since. And understand that Directors have a huge amount of input on scripts. For example, the twist ending in Batman Begins was entirely Nolan

Ya, I just remembered that.

Cyke might die, but if he does, it will be near the end of the film. Maybe a he will sacrifice himself to kill Phoenix.

[ShadowBoxing]

Ya, I just remembered that.

Cyke might die, but if he does, it will be near the end of the film. Maybe a he will sacrifice himself to kill Phoenix.I would agree with that...they would not give away something that big in the teaser

[cookiva]

Another thing. People are saying that since he is barely in the trailer, he is dead. Icemans barely in the trailer, Angels barely in the trailer, Beast is barely in it.

The only ones in it alot are Wolverine, Storm, and Magneto. Does that mean everyone else besides them will die??? No!!!

[Downhere]

Beast had a few shots in the trailer.

[ShadowBoxing]

Another thing. People are saying that since he is barely in the trailer, he is dead. Icemans barely in the trailer, Angels barely in the trailer, Beast is barely in it.

The only ones in it alot are Wolverine, Storm, and Magneto. Does that mean everyone else besides them will die??? No!!!No that argument does not hold water. Ratner said his role would be pivotal and that (whether he dies or not) he filmed for two weeks...I got the impression from the trailer that Jean was going to look for him when she was leaving the mansion. A reported already said that Cyclop's character was taking a leave of abscence from the X-Men in the film

[Jan Irisi]

Another thing. People are saying that since he is barely in the trailer, he is dead. Icemans barely in the trailer, Angels barely in the trailer, Beast is barely in it.

The only ones in it alot are Wolverine, Storm, and Magneto. Does that mean everyone else besides them will die??? No!!!


As I said before, it may well be that Scott is involved in more of the story than we are being led to believe. They aren't going to give everything away in the teaser.

[cookiva]

As I said before, it may well be that Scott is involved in more of the story than we are being led to believe. They aren't going to give everything away in the teaser.


True dat

[ShadowBoxing]

As I said before, it may well be that Scott is involved in more of the story than we are being led to believe. They aren't going to give everything away in the teaser.exactly what I have been saying..whether he dies or not...he would NOT have SHOWN up in the trailer if he did not do anything in the movie of importance

[cookiva]

exactly what I have been saying..whether he dies or not...he would NOT have SHOWN up in the trailer if he did not do anything in the movie of importance

To be honest, he actually was one of the few to show his powers. We saw nothing from Shadowcat, nothing from Rogue, no Colossus, etc....

[ShadowBoxing]

To be honest, he actually was one of the few to show his powers. We saw nothing from Shadowcat, nothing from Rogue, no Colossus, etc....Exactly, he does something...he gets in costume (since he has a cast promo pic on the in costume) we just do not know what happens yet. This is not the AICN script because in that script he dies leading the X-Men (they all see Phoenix kill him) here that does not happen

[TheVileOne]

Ratner is too much of a fan to let that happen to Cyke.

I'd love to see some proof of this.

He's gone from all the key moments visibly. Even in the X2 stuff we saw him doing something.

[Karea07]

If he dies I will be very very sad :down :(

[Downhere]

I think they are playing with our minds, making it seem like cyke bites the dust. I think he will actually live. Prof. X on the other hand...well things aren't looking good for him.

[Karea07]

I hope you are right Downhere

[antonydavanzo]

i dont want him to die but i think if he did wouldnt it make it a good film in a dramatic scense. Killing a leader or hero isnt the done thing in film but why stick to the rules. i guess if Cyke dies it will feel like you been kicked in the nuts if your a fan but thats part of the drama.

[Obsidian]

i dont want him to die but i think if he did wouldnt it make it a good film in a dramatic scense. Killing a leader or hero isnt the done thing in film but why stick to the rules. i guess if Cyke dies it will feel like you been kicked in the nuts if your a fan but thats part of the drama.

I don't think it would be dramatic at all, since Cyclops isn't a main character. They need to at least give him some time to shine and not kill him off cheaply, as rumored in the 6-day draft.

[PikaZeroX]

Exactly, he does something...he gets in costume (since he has a cast promo pic on the in costume) we just do not know what happens yet. This is not the AICN script because in that script he dies leading the X-Men (they all see Phoenix kill him) here that does not happen

Cast promo pic for X3 in costume? Where?

Also, the script review on AICN sounded like the poor chap was alone when he became a "fart in the wind".

[Downhere]

I would hope that if they are going to kill Xavier that Cyclops would live to take over the leadership role.

[cookiva]

I would hope that if they are going to kill Xavier that Cyclops would live to take over the leadership role.

That would be the best thing....

[Yellow Cyclone]

Exactly, he does something...he gets in costume (since he has a cast promo pic on the in costume) we just do not know what happens yet. This is not the AICN script because in that script he dies leading the X-Men (they all see Phoenix kill him) here that does not happen


ummm that's not his uniform he's in, its the leather jacket he was wearing at alkali lake

[Retroman]

I have feeling Scott will bite the dust :( . It was great though to see him in the trailer.

My theory is that Scott in a moment of rage pulls of his specs and blasts a hole in the lake which awakens Jean/Phoenix. Phoenix awakes (magnificent sight) sees Scott controls his optic blast, vaporizes scott leaving only his specs (which Logan finds).

Jean 'comes to her senses' at the mansion and is told whats happened to Scott which explains the tears.:confused:

[Downhere]

But why would Cyclops specs be floating in the air?

[Retroman]

But why would Cyclops specs be floating in the air?
Maybe his aura his holding it up. If that makes any sense.

[ShadowBoxing]

ummm that's not his uniform he's in, its the leather jacket he was wearing at alkali lakeLook again...his jacket has piping on it..and it is black, not brown like the preview. No something is amiss here...I feel like the trailer is misleading us. The whole "he blast the lake a recharges the Phoenix" sounds really stupid and would totally ruin the film since it would just be a crappy plot device to revive the Phoenix. I somehow get the impression Magneto goes and fishes her out of the lake and messes with her head, then she escapes and Magneto goes after her.

[ShadowBoxing]

Okay I just looked at the X3 script review...and OH YEAH...he dies
Jean Grey does come back, except she’s not that shy, selfless girl learning to find and use her powers anymore. She’s something else entirely, and it’s a doozy. They don’t call her Phoenix, but it’s obvious she is no longer Doctor Grey. She has very little control of her powers at first, too. And when I say very little control, I mean it. Take this first encounter with her when our washed up Cyclops, with full-on scruffy look, decides to risk a trip back to Alkali Lake…

“The water parts.
Something emerges from the center of the lake.
A flicker gets brighter, lighting the lake.
A creature of PURE ENERGY rises from the depths.
It glows like a living star, emanating wave after wave of telekinetic energy.
Scott watches, awestruck, as the star slowly descends, and the maelstrom of gravity passes. As the glow flutters, Scott takes his first step forward.
He is shocked by what he sees in the epicenter:
SCOTT
Jean…?
She is alive. Jean Grey is reborn.
She looks at her limbs, her skin. Stunned, disoriented.
SCOTT (CONT’D)
(muttering)
A dream… Has to be a dream…
But she looks up. She seems real. She blinks, slowly recognizing him, memories flooding back now.
JEAN
(a whisper)
Scott?
Her voice makes him believe. His tears of pain turn to tears of joy. He steps toward her.
SCOTT
How… how could you come back?
Jean looks at her limbs again, feeling her power.
JEAN
(still dazed)
I don’t know.
Scott doesn’t care. He takes her in his arms, and holds her close, hugging tight. He pulls back, looks at her.
JEAN (CONT’D)
Take these off.
She reaches toward his glasses. He reels back, protecting her. She shakes her head, feeling her strength.
JEAN (CONT’D)
Trust me. I can control it.” Except she can’t. The script describes Scott’s skin as “shivering” until he is simply de-molecularized.

Keep in mind there is some hope

[/quote=Kinberg]You try to ignore the rumors, but we always take into account what the fans say. Simon and I read the board, more to get a sense of people's general feelings, and as fans of the films and comics ourselves. It's frustrating that an early draft leaked, because it wasn't even a draft, just a ninety page document we put forth to get things going.
[/quote]

[cookiva]

Okay I just looked at the X3 script review...and OH YEAH...he dies


Thats the AICN script review!!!!

TORCH IT!!!!

[ShadowBoxing]

Thats the AICN script review!!!!

TORCH IT!!!!can I not post it...I'll edit if if so

[Idio]

The whole thing about Cyclops seems true and I'm really pissed about it.

Halle Berry, who's movie career is basically in the toilet after Catwoman, was given everything she wanted. She's going to be the leader of the Xmen in the 3rd movie, which of course means Cyke is no longer necessary.

Arg.

[cookiva]

can I not post it...I'll edit if if so

No, its just that it was a draft. Some is true, but the parts that are true are the major themes.


The Cure
Angel
Beast
Phoenix
AlcatrazIt even said alcatraz was in the first part, which we now can see is not true. Its a draft, and so much was changed that we dont know what to expect!

[ShadowBoxing]

No, its just that it was a draft. Some is true, but the parts that are true are the major themes.


The Cure
Angel
Beast
Phoenix
AlcatrazIt even said alcatraz was in the first part, which we now can see is not true. Its a draft, and so much was changed that we dont know what to expect!Okay...I'll grant you its changed...but they got that he was A) scruffy B) there alone at Alkali Lake and C) he was de-molecularized which would leave his glasses behind

[americanguy96]

I'm really afraid Cyclops dies, which seems almost promised now, but that could be what turns Jean over to the dark side. You know, she realizes that if Xavier hadn't restrained her than Scott would never had died, and then she goes to Magneto. I don't know, I hope everything I just typed is wrong, and its much better than that.

[Shockdingo]

Why would jean destroy all of him but just leave his glasses there? wouldn't that go away with his clothes and stuff?

[StevieNicks1988]

No, its just that it was a draft. Some is true, but the parts that are true are the major themes.


The Cure
Angel
Beast
Phoenix
AlcatrazIt even said alcatraz was in the first part, which we now can see is not true. Its a draft, and so much was changed that we dont know what to expect!

Things in the script review seeming NOT in this movie now:
- Avalanche
- Cannonball
- Gambit
- Rogue with the Brotherhood (see funeral scene to know why)
- JUST Bobby and Kitty in the Danger Room (It’s a relatively short sequence, and it’s not all that well-written) Yet know we see it's very well established and has more characters involved in it.
I would find more but the script review doesn't go into THAT much detail, but this just proves that things since then HAVE been changed and taken out and re-written. So see, it IS possible to have the SAME SCENE still in this movie, yet changed and re-written. Conclusion? Cyclops may still be alive in this flick, but we don't know cause 1) We have only seen teaser and 2) Nobody has seen the UPDATED script they are currently using.

[CapBeerCino]

I thought that it was pretty obvious that he dies when I saw the teaser, but now that I think about it, maybe FOX is just playing with our minds. They know a lot of us think Cyke will die, so maybe they did the teaser that way so we can speculate even more. Who knows? :confused:

EDIT: lol @ Ant's post. Looks like we think the same.

I'm with you on the playing with our mind thing. I think it's Jean's memoriam, but Fox edit the teaser to make us think it's Cyclops's:
#1 Cyclops at the lake.
#2 Wolverine finds only his visor at the lake.
#3 Jean crying (over Scott?)
#4 a memoriam...
#5 from that moment on - every mutante but Scott on screen...

[vanillacyke]

How any of you can think he survives is beyond me???? Why else would his shades be floating in the air huh? there is no other reason. Fox allready knows we know about his death so they obviously are'nt hiding it.

[the a1ant]

The thing that makes me confused about Cyclops (does he live/die?) is that Avi Arad and Fox are making it seem obvious he does die. Arad mentions him nowhere on the Fantastic Four X3 preview. He mentions Professor X, Wolverine, Storm, and Jean, but no Cyke. The trailer strongly confirms a lot of what the AICN script said, and they even went out to show a funeral, too.

Either their just not trying to hide the fact, or they're playing with our minds. I really, really, really hope as soon as Superman ended, James came to Vancouver to film more. :(

[The Batman]

His pointless death is the reason i wont be seeing this flick. which is a shame, too, cause everything else looks awesome

[StevieNicks1988]

It's possible. But as I posted, things in the script HAVE changed, scenes that ARE in the movie HAVE been re-written, so I can't believe people are still being so narrow-minded. Say Cyclops has more screen time than believed. Why would they show the Lake scene then? Because it shows us how he's handling things now, that hes unstable, hes become a rogue and has left the X-Men for time off for personal reasons.

P.S. - One death is a gay reason not to see a movie. I went and saw Batman Begins, even though Katie Holmes was reason enough to NOT see it. I guess you could call her pointless casting.

[Karea07]

well that "extra" said James was on set (and that was from last weekend)

[CapBeerCino]

A little OT -
But doesn't Marsden look just like Tom Cruise in the screaming scene?
I can see him doing just that on Oprah...

[Abaddon]

Its incredibly stupid to get rid of one of the most important characters in the comics history,and the Phoenix storyline just for shock value.Damn you Fox.

[tonytr1687]

No that argument does not hold water. Ratner said his role would be pivotal and that (whether he dies or not) he filmed for two weeks...I got the impression from the trailer that Jean was going to look for him when she was leaving the mansion. A reported already said that Cyclop's character was taking a leave of abscence from the X-Men in the film

Can someone point me to the interview/article where Ratner said Cyke's role would be pivotal? Because I don't remember this at all...

[vanillacyke]

His pointless death is the reason i wont be seeing this flick. which is a shame, too, cause everything else looks awesome

Yeah I won't be seeing this film either. Everything else looks really cool but there's no way I could stomach the death of Cyclops. I love his character too much to watch him get punkd.

[Karea07]

A little OT -
But doesn't Marsden look just like Tom Cruise in the screaming scene?
I can see him doing just that on Oprah...
NO... James looks nothing like Tom.

[The Batman]

Oh please. Frankly, Cyke's death is a bad idea, and the only reason its happening is because Fox wants to hold stupid grudges

[The Batman]

Can someone point me to the interview/article where Ratner said Cyke's role would be pivotal? Because I don't remember this at all...


Thats the thing. ShadowBoxing is making things up from hot air. Everything points to Cyke dying....

[vanillacyke]

Can someone point me to the interview/article where Ratner said Cyke's role would be pivotal? Because I don't remember this at all...

Ratner never said that go to the X-verse website look in its archives and you'll find someone working on the film said that cyke was important to the film. Thing is they don't say how he's important. So his importance is he dies so Jean can go crazy.

[CapBeerCino]

The thing that makes me confused about Cyclops (does he live/die?) is that Avi Arad and Fox are making it seem obvious he does die. Arad mentions him nowhere on the Fantastic Four X3 preview. He mentions Professor X, Wolverine, Storm, and Jean, but no Cyke. The trailer strongly confirms a lot of what the AICN script said, and they even went out to show a funeral, too.

When I consider the possibility that Cyclops die because the actor played in a DC/WB movie - then it makes sense that Fox will rub his death in our faces.

[Abaddon]

Fox is evil.:(

[StevieNicks1988]

Once again, you guys are missing one of the plot devices of the film. Jean does NOT go crazy because of Cyclops, she goes crazy because of Professor X and the mental blocks, also being the reason she joins the Brotherhood.

[ShadowBoxing]

Thats the thing. ShadowBoxing is making things up from hot air. Everything points to Cyke dying....
Excuse me I just posted the AICN script and did not deny anything

Oh and
"James Marsden is in X3, and we have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure."

Granted it does not say pivotal, but key means the same thing....I don't make things up. By the way he could still die and be pivotal since his death could be pivotal to driving the phoenix insane. Thus saying someone is a key character does not imply he has a ton of screentime. Argueably the President McKenna in X2 is a key character

[tonytr1687]

Ratner never said that go to the X-verse website look in its archives and you'll find someone working on the film said that cyke was important to the film. Thing is they don't say how he's important. So his importance is he dies so Jean can go crazy.

Is this person some alleged spy or an actual legitimate source like the producer or something? Because if it's the former then it means nothing other than probably some lying fan with wishful thinking. I agree that all signs point toward Cyke dying, you can try to fabricate evidence and speculate to make yourselves feel better and deny that this movie is headed in the wrong direction, but the truth is that what little evidence we have points toward the unfortunate.

I'm usually an optimist, but the more and more we see of that AICN draft becoming realized the more and more I lose hope. If they really are planning this as the last team movie and Cyke ends up having an active role at the end where he dies as a hero...then okay, that would be fine. But that scene out of the trailer is ripped straight from the AICN script review, Marsden's unshaven look and all. So what little evidence we have seems to indicate a death early on in the film just like that review said. Any kind of "he could return at the end" speculation is merely that...speculation, and wishful thinking. No evidence for any of that. I don't want Cyke to die, I pray he won't die (mainly b/c I'm hoping for an X4 with Cyke at the forefront), but I'm just tired of seeing you all here trying to convince yourselves of something that is unlikely by what we've been given. I know it's optimism, but it's so obvious you're trying to deny that this film film could end up making those huge mistakes we've been worrying about for so long.

[tonytr1687]

Excuse me I just posted the AICN script and did not deny anything

Oh and

Granted it does not say pivotal, but key means the same thing....I don't make things up. By the way he could still die and be pivotal since his death could be pivotal to driving the phoenix insane. Thus saying someone is a key character does not imply he has a ton of screentime. Argueably the President McKenna in X2 is a key character

Who is Winter? Is that supposed to be Ralph Winter? Because it looks like your quote came from a board member. What you think this guy named Winter is the actual producer? LOL...not likely my friend.

[Tony Stark]

Just got done watching the promo on the F4 DVD, and Arad was saying a key plot in this movie is Logan dealing with becoming a leader. Why would he need to become a leader if Cyke doesn't die?

Cyke is going to die. Thank you Fox, Thank you Marvel. This film is gonna suck.

[ShadowBoxing]

Jean Grey does come back, except she’s not that shy, selfless girl learning to find and use her powers anymore. She’s something else entirely, and it’s a doozy. They don’t call her Phoenix, but it’s obvious she is no longer Doctor Grey. She has very little control of her powers at first, too. And when I say very little control, I mean it. Take this first encounter with her when our washed up Cyclops, with full-on scruffy look, decides to risk a trip back to Alkali Lake…
“The water parts.
Something emerges from the center of the lake.
A flicker gets brighter, lighting the lake.
A creature of PURE ENERGY rises from the depths.
It glows like a living star, emanating wave after wave of telekinetic energy.
Scott watches, awestruck, as the star slowly descends, and the maelstrom of gravity passes. As the glow flutters, Scott takes his first step forward.
He is shocked by what he sees in the epicenter:
SCOTT
Jean…?
She is alive. Jean Grey is reborn.
She looks at her limbs, her skin. Stunned, disoriented.
SCOTT (CONT’D)
(muttering)
A dream… Has to be a dream…
But she looks up. She seems real. She blinks, slowly recognizing him, memories flooding back now.
JEAN
(a whisper)
Scott?
Her voice makes him believe. His tears of pain turn to tears of joy. He steps toward her.
SCOTT
How… how could you come back?
Jean looks at her limbs again, feeling her power.
JEAN
(still dazed)
I don’t know.
Scott doesn’t care. He takes her in his arms, and holds her close, hugging tight. He pulls back, looks at her.
JEAN (CONT’D)
Take these off.
She reaches toward his glasses. He reels back, protecting her. She shakes her head, feeling her strength.
JEAN (CONT’D)
Trust me. I can control it.” Except she can’t. The script describes Scott’s skin as “shivering” until he is simply de-molecularized.
Now I am the biggest Cyclops fan here arguably...I have been all my life. I did not remember the script review that well. But I pulled it off the net and am posting it for the second time. I CAN"T ARGUE WITH THIS. Granted it gets things wrong, like Cyclops in a rage was not there. Maybe he does not die (I honestly do not think the funeral was his...that was most likely Xavier or Jean's memorial since Both Scott and Logan are absent). But if he does not die then why did they bother shooting a Scott Alkali lake scene:confused: :(

[ShadowBoxing]

Who is Winter? Is that supposed to be Ralph Winter? Because it looks like your quote came from a board member. What you think this guy named Winter is the actual producer? LOL...not likely my friend.What are you dumb...I got it off of Xverse and then acreditted the quote to Ralph Winter....yeah he posts here all the time :rolleyes:

God no wonder you guys come up with so many convoluted explanations for things

[Daniella]

I have a new theory... what if Scott plan's his own death ???

I know I'm crazy to think about this and maybe I'm thinking just the opposite of the public opinion... but hear me out: He is just sick of live without Jean, he's mad at the professor for not telling him that she was alive and when the professor says it may not be her, Scott get's mad and go to see it for he's own eyes... and when he see Jean as Phoenix, goes balistic and let himself desapear... this explain why Avi said about a character dying and returning afterwards...

I'm saying this because on the trailer, he looked furious, mad about something...

Dany

[StevieNicks1988]

There's little evidence to point towards ANYTHING. They don't show a damn thing in the teaser besides Cyke going into an upset rage and Wolverine finding his glasses. Big whoop. You can't cry "AICN Script Review" all your life because I've already provided proof AND evidence that things since that script HAVE changed and HAVE been re-written and it doesn't help that what AICN posted was basically an outline more-so than a friggin' script, so you can deny THAT all you want, but the truth of the matter is, when it comes to the Cyclops character, WE KNOW BASICALLY NOTHING. Besides, screw this "Who cares, Cyke is going to die anyway" crap, show me proof. Show me actual valid PROOF, because the fact alone that Jimmie Marsden was ON SET FILMING for a couple weeks goes against everything you guys are saying. FILMING for a COUPLE WEEKS means his has a part in the movie. Quit ignoring the fact that McKellen did EVERY SINGLE SCENE from X2 in a matter of weeks, which again, is proof towards the Scott can still live side. If Marsden has one or two scenes and then he dies in this movie, FACT is, he would have only been on set a matter of days. So if you are ging to sit there ans try and fight this argument that Cyke dies, gimme some valid actual real proof that he does and try telling me what else Marsden was filming on set if his character is already dead.

"IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?
Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0157.shtml

TXV: Halle Berry says X3 is the third in a trilogy; does everyone else view this as a final film?
ZP: Third in a trilogy does not mean the final film.
TXV: Anything you want to say to fans who are eagerly keeping an eye on the news for X3 details?
ZP: Don't listen to all these people with crazy versions of the script, or ridiculous set reports.

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0136.shtml

Also, keep in mind THIS;
"We have shot five days on 'X-Men 3'. It's wonderful. Already some amazing things have been put in the can, some surprises — [including] one surprise which will never even appear in a script form. We've just shot it. It's so secret, that there was never, ever allowed anything to be on paper about it. I think Brett Ratner is going to do a fantastic job on this movie. He's an extraordinary, gifted man, and I think the perfect choice to direct X3. We miss Bryan Singer, of course, because this is the man that launched this franchise so outstandingly."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0104.shtml

About Scott being at the lake, perhaps he goes there after Magneto has gotten Jean, and he still does not know she has returned and he goes to say his final goodbye?

[ShadowBoxing]

I have a new theory... what if Scott plan's his own death ???

I know I'm crazy to think about this and maybe I'm thinking just the opposite of the public opinion... but hear me out: He is just sick of live without Jean, he may be mad at the professor for not telling him that she was alive and when the professor says it may not be her, Scott get's mad and go to see it for he's own eyes... and when he see Jean as Phoenix, goes balistic and let himself desapear...

I'm saying this because on the trailer, he looked furious, mad about something...

DanyPeople please I am not going to post the script excerp again...its become pretty apparent to me whats gonna happen

[Eros]

since cyclops has never been very important character in the X movies killing him off early would make more sense. I have to admit we know more about wolverine then cyclops in these movies lol which is odd lol. But my guess is is he "Vanishes" early on in the movie and what really happened is left a mystery.But i assume jean kills him excidently at the lake and goes nuts afterwards. This leaves Wolverine and storm to step up as the leaders of the X-men. Scott wasn't aroundmuch to be a good leader anyway in the movies, so Storm and Wolvernine should do fine.

[Daniella]

To you Shadowboxing, but we don't know anything yet...

Dany

[ShadowBoxing]

There's little evidence to point towards ANYTHING. They don't show a damn thing in the teaser besides Cyke going into an upset rage and Wolverine finding his glasses. Big whoop. You can't cry "AICN Script Review" all your life because I've already provided proof AND evidence that things since that script HAVE changed and HAVE been re-written and it doesn't help that what AICN posted was basically an outline more-so than a friggin' script, so you can deny THAT all you want, but the truth of the matter is, when it comes to the Cyclops character, WE KNOW BASICALLY NOTHING. Besides, screw this "Who cares, Cyke is going to die anyway" crap, show me proof. Show me actual valid PROOF, because the fact alone that Jimmie Marsden was ON SET FILMING for a couple weeks goes against everything you guys are saying. FILMING for a COUPLE WEEKS means his has a part in the movie. Quit ignoring the fact that McKellen did EVERY SINGLE SCENE from X2 in a matter of weeks, which again, is proof towards the Scott can still live side. If Marsden has one or two scenes and then he dies in this movie, FACT is, he would have only been on set a matter of days. So if you are ging to sit there ans try and fight this argument that Cyke dies, gimme some valid actual real proof that he does and try telling me what else Marsden was filming on set if his character is already dead.

"IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?
Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0157.shtml

TXV: Halle Berry says X3 is the third in a trilogy; does everyone else view this as a final film?
ZP: Third in a trilogy does not mean the final film.
TXV: Anything you want to say to fans who are eagerly keeping an eye on the news for X3 details?
ZP: Don't listen to all these people with crazy versions of the script, or ridiculous set reports.

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0136.shtml

Also, keep in mind THIS;
"We have shot five days on 'X-Men 3'. It's wonderful. Already some amazing things have been put in the can, some surprises — [I]one surprise which will never even appear in a script form. We've just shot it. It's so secret, that there was never, ever allowed anything to be on paper about it. I think Brett Ratner is going to do a fantastic job on this movie. He's an extraordinary, gifted man, and I think the perfect choice to direct X3. We miss Bryan Singer, of course, because this is the man that launched this franchise so outstandingly."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0104.shtml

About Scott being at the lake, perhaps he goes there after Magneto has gotten Jean, and he still does not know she has returned and he goes to say his final goodbye?The point is they shot the scene at Alkali Lake...why would they bother to shoot his death scene if he was not gonna die

Good point on the surprise...there was a rumor that [several] mutants would "vanish" as a result of Phoenix...and that possibly would return in the third act...though I find that hard to believe with the realism of the film

[StevieNicks1988]

Maybe his death was taken out and replaced with something else? Same goes for the other scenes, why film the breakout scene if Cannonball, Avalanche and Gambit aren't in it, or why did they film the Danger Room scene when Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and Rogue were added into the mix? Why was Rogue joining the Brotherhood taken out?

[The Batman]

There's little evidence to point towards ANYTHING. They don't show a damn thing in the teaser besides Cyke going into an upset rage and Wolverine finding his glasses. Big whoop. You can't cry "AICN Script Review" all your life because I've already provided proof AND evidence that things since that script HAVE changed and HAVE been re-written and it doesn't help that what AICN posted was basically an outline more-so than a friggin' script, so you can deny THAT all you want, but the truth of the matter is, when it comes to the Cyclops character, WE KNOW BASICALLY NOTHING. Besides, screw this "Who cares, Cyke is going to die anyway" crap, show me proof. Show me actual valid PROOF, because the fact alone that Jimmie Marsden was ON SET FILMING for a couple weeks goes against everything you guys are saying. FILMING for a COUPLE WEEKS means his has a part in the movie. Quit ignoring the fact that McKellen did EVERY SINGLE SCENE from X2 in a matter of weeks, which again, is proof towards the Scott can still live side. If Marsden has one or two scenes and then he dies in this movie, FACT is, he would have only been on set a matter of days. So if you are ging to sit there ans try and fight this argument that Cyke dies, gimme some valid actual real proof that he does and try telling me what else Marsden was filming on set if his character is already dead.

"IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?
Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0157.shtml

TXV: Halle Berry says X3 is the third in a trilogy; does everyone else view this as a final film?
ZP: Third in a trilogy does not mean the final film.
TXV: Anything you want to say to fans who are eagerly keeping an eye on the news for X3 details?
ZP: Don't listen to all these people with crazy versions of the script, or ridiculous set reports.

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0136.shtml

Also, keep in mind THIS;
"We have shot five days on 'X-Men 3'. It's wonderful. Already some amazing things have been put in the can, some surprises — [including] one surprise which will never even appear in a script form. We've just shot it. It's so secret, that there was never, ever allowed anything to be on paper about it. I think Brett Ratner is going to do a fantastic job on this movie. He's an extraordinary, gifted man, and I think the perfect choice to direct X3. We miss Bryan Singer, of course, because this is the man that launched this franchise so outstandingly."

http://www.thexverse.com/news/0104.shtml

About Scott being at the lake, perhaps he goes there after Magneto has gotten Jean, and he still does not know she has returned and he goes to say his final goodbye?


Of course things have changed since the script...it was a first draft allegedly written in less than a week.

Arad negelcting Cyke when talking about the movie, Fox being angry at singer for leaving, and the fact that NO ONE has outright said that Cyclops wont die leads me to believe he'll get snuffed out

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe his death was taken out and replaced with something else? Same goes for the other scenes, why film the breakout scene if Cannonball, Avalanche and Gambit aren't in it, or why did they film the Danger Room scene when Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and Rogue were added into the mix? Why was Rogue joining the Brotherhood taken out?As I say other rumors have surfaced about the mysterious "third act"...Its quiet possibly from the looks of the trailer we do not actually see what happens to Cyclops

[aaron]

What rumors are there about the third act?

[ShadowBoxing]

I will say something in Cyclops' favor. Aside from AICN there is no concrete evidence of what happens to Scott. We know that he shot for two weeks and NO ONE saw him...to me thats a red herring in the opposite direction. That means to me some scene he was involved in took place behind "closed doors". Which means they did not want the public to know about it. Now granted the death scene would have had no extras...but your telling me yelling from a rock takes that long to shoot:confused: . There is something...always has been...amiss about his death since Ratner jumped on. Also even though his "death scenes" are in the teaser...WHY??? Why bother to show us two very distinct scenes with Cyclops if he was just "some fart in the wind" in the movie. Cyclops got almost no trailer time in X2 and guess what he was absent the whole time. But this time we see him "doing" something (as opposed to walking through a doorway). I kinda get the impression from the trailer they are linking him to something as of yet unknown...It just does not add up that you would feature the "dead in five minutes" guy that prominently if that was his only scene....but I have no facts beyond the script, but thats my take

[ShadowBoxing]

What rumors are there about the third act?How many of the thousands do you want....:confused:

[StevieNicks1988]

Of course things have changed since the script...it was a first draft allegedly written in less than a week.

Arad negelcting Cyke when talking about the movie, Fox being angry at singer for leaving, and the fact that NO ONE has outright said that Cyclops wont die leads me to believe he'll get snuffed out

Exactly my point. Why on earth would Arad give away one of the big surprises in the film? Everyone already thinks Cyke is a dead-man, so why would he give it away, hmm? He wouldn't. It's called shock-value. Even if the AICN review, the third act is never discussed, nor did the scooper even read it himself, so NO ONE knows what the hell is going to happen. If you ask me, I think we see Jean and Scott meet again at the Lake, but we never see what happens. I think it'll cut to Wolverine following him and finding only his glasses, and I think Scott will reappear in X-Uniform at the end for the final confrontation to reclaim his fiancee and to help his friends (at which point Prof X is likely to get it). Which leads me to believe the fact that the funeral could be Jean's since Wolverine, Scott, Jean and Professor X are not attending. Professor X could be trying to attend to a grieving Scott, who then leaves the X-Men to go to Alkali Lake, and Wolverine is just too upset to be there and goes to say goodbye on his own time (like shown in the teaser).

[aaron]

How many of the thousands do you want....:confused:

The main ones please

[New Mutant]

My take is that he is alone, raging at the heavens and earth. He strips off his visor and gives the lake that took the love of his life away a good hard blast. And this is happening while a memorial service is held on her behalf (that's why Scott isn't in the memorial scene)

And think about this. What if it is the blast Scott makes in anger at the lake is the thing that makes Jean rise? Then something happens that we haven't seen in the footage, and later, as Wolverine is looking for the missing Scott, he finds the visor floating? He possibly finds Jean as well and returns her to the mansion, still assuming that Jean did something to Scott (note the scene in the trailer where Jean is crying with Wolverine comforting her. Could he be telling her that she may have killed/caused harm to Scott?)

Anyway, that's my specualtion, tying several portions of the trailer together.

Jan, I am 100% on board with your opinion. Make that 110%. I was waiting to read through all the posts before I posted the exact same think.

And that makes me also agree with Minisoo (who I know for a fact is a HUGE Cyclops fangirl--just follow her link and read her excellent fanfic concerning him.). Cyclops can die and still have a significant role, because I think when Jean is told what she's done to him, the anguish and despair of her actions will cause her to go Dark.

And what else I think? I think she'll be in the mansion on that table long enough to mentally eavesdrop in on Wolvie and Storm's relationship. She'll see how the Tough-Guy Flirt and Her Best Friend has so easily moved on without her, and her having destroyed her only stabilizing hope, Scott, will send her to Magneto in a self-destructive binge. And on the way out the door, she just might pinch off the Professor's head for not helping her develop this power better, instead of shutting her down, where she wouldn't have accidentally killed Scott.

[Tony Stark]

Remember a few years back when the last Star Trek movie was filming and the whole script was leaked on AICN. Will Wheaton came out and said, "that's not the sript we used". It turned out that it was in fact the shooting script.

You can say there's no proof all you want. When the end of may comes and Cyke bites it just as he did in the AICN script review, don't complain here.

[StevieNicks1988]

Yes, they are using a rough draft outline to make this movie. That's the most thought- provoking thing ever said in this thread. Congratulations, you've made yourself look like a fool. :up: So James Marsden spent two full weeks standing on a rock screaming. Tell me again, when do the little green men attack me from behind and take over the world

[ShadowBoxing]

The main ones pleaseThere was one about Cyclops coming back and calming Jean down...there was one about Xavier and Magneto dying...there was one about Sentinels...one about Jean returning everyone she made vanish...One that focused on Logan...there are a lot of third act rumors...I mean I cannot tell you what happens because I do not know...ask Ralph Winter or Zak Penn what happens in the third act

[New Mutant]

To be honest, he actually was one of the few to show his powers. We saw nothing from Shadowcat, nothing from Rogue, no Colossus, etc....

Well, Peter did the Fastball Special....he was small in the shot, but he was metal and did his damn thing...YOW!

[StevieNicks1988]

Remember a few years back when the last Star Trek movie was filming and the whole script was leaked on AICN. Will Wheaton came out and said, "that's not the sript we used". It turned out that it was in fact the shooting script.

You can say there's no proof all you want. When the end of may comes and Cyke bites it just as he did in the AICN script review, don't complain here.

Just to add another snippet to you. You can say Cyke bites it all you want, but wheres your proof it hasn't been changed just like a lot of the other things ALREADY PROVEN from the teaser? Have you read the third act? Can you tell me for a fact Cyclops ain't in it? *Jeopardy music* Thats what I thought. :up:

[vanillacyke]

There was one about Cyclops coming back and calming Jean down...there was one about Xavier and Magneto dying...there was one about Sentinels...one about Jean returning everyone she made vanish...One that focused on Logan...there are a lot of third act rumors...I mean I cannot tell you what happens because I do not know...ask Ralph Winter or Zak Penn what happens in the third act

Oh yeah, uh I lost there numbers can you give them to me?

[Eros]

Yes, they are using a rough draft outline to make this movie. That's the most thought- provoking thing ever said in this thread. Congratulations, you've made yourself look like a fool. :up: So James Marsden spent two full weeks standing on a rock screaming. Tell me again, when do the little green men attack me from behind and take over the world

lol but still either way cyclops will have the same role he did in X-2. He gets his butt beat, then dissapears for most of the movie.

[aaron]

There was one about Cyclops coming back and calming Jean down...there was one about Xavier and Magneto dying...there was one about Sentinels...one about Jean returning everyone she made vanish...One that focused on Logan...there are a lot of third act rumors...I mean I cannot tell you what happens because I do not know...ask Ralph Winter or Zak Penn what happens in the third act
Got their numbers?

[ShadowBoxing]

Got their numbers?Why do you act like I have all the facts...all my posts on here start with In my opinion...or here is the AICN script...The third act is "mysterious"...we do not KNOW what happens...you act like I know...I don't know, I have said that a dozen times now...I have not once today said Scott lives, last night I tried to justify the trailer...but it seems the same as the script, what do you want me to tell you

[ILuvCyclops]

So James Marsden spent two full weeks standing on a rock screaming.


hehe. weird mental image :D

but agree with your point.

[aaron]

Why do you act like I have all the facts...all my posts on here start with In my opinion...or here is the AICN script...The third act is "mysterious"...we do not KNOW what happens...you act like I know...I don't know, I have said that a dozen times now...I have not once today said Scott lives, last night I tried to justify the trailer...but it seems the same as the script, what do you want me to tell you

Im not acting like you know all the facts, dont be so paranoid

[Retroman]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:

[ShadowBoxing]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:Oh I see that...no I don't think that is his visor...

[aaron]

Hmmm could be

[ShadowBoxing]

Im not acting like you know all the facts, dont be so paranoidfair enough...you're just the second person to ask me for their numbers

[aaron]

fair enough...you're just the second person to ask me for their numbers

Lol

[vanillacyke]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:

Huh well I'll be damned. That could very well be his shades or visor. Then again it could be something else. But to me it looks like a pair of shades. Fantastic eyes you got Retro.

[New Mutant]

So James Marsden spent two full weeks standing on a rock screaming

hehe. weird mental image :D

but agree with your point.

I gotta give you a lot of props StevieNicks1988 (I love your music by the way). You are a diehard and you want what we all want, but you're fighting harder for it than we are.

I laughed for five minutes to think of Ratner going, "CUT! James, could you try it again, but show a little more rear molar and bicuspid?", and Marsden responding with, "It's going on a week now, Brett! Gimme a break!"

I entirely hope you're right SN1988.

But here's what's been occurring to me...how much of the movie could we really take of Cyclops going.."I just know Jean is in there somewhere! We have to save her!" as the X-Men watch her toast people at Magneto's side? Or moreover, how do the moviemakers explain why Jean would turn into Dark Phoenix to the average crowd? It the comics (before they retconned Dark Phoenix into a cosmic entity) the explanation was that Jean's humanity was corrupted by the level of power she had obtained.

Huh..wha?

But if Jean accidentally killed the love of her life, resented her trusted mentor for supressing her true ability instead of teaching her, and has no other reason to live when her friends have withdrawn from her...I think that would give her a better reason to put on red satin and throw her lot in with Magneto.

Then, of course, to redeem her, Scott has to come back. I like the idea of Scott's demolecking really means he's existing inside Phoenix' psyche somewhere, and his struggle to re-emerge will make her turn on Mags and all that crazy ass brotherhood Magneto 'liberated'.

Hey!! Maybe Magneto saved Jason Stryker from X2 and Jean is actually in that mental thrall, thinking she killed Scott when what she did was just displaced him, which would totally jive with the original Black Queen storyline.

[ShadowBoxing]

I gotta give you a lot of props StevieNicks1988 (I love your music by the way). You are a diehard and you want what we all want, but you're fighting harder for it than we are.

I laughed for five minutes to think of Ratner going, "CUT! James, could you try it again, but show a little more rear molar and bicuspid?", and Marsden responding with, "It's going on a week now, Brett! Gimme a break!"

I entirely hope you're right SN1988.

But here's what's been occurring to me...how much of the movie could we really take of Cyclops going.."I just know Jean is in there somewhere! We have to save her!" as the X-Men watch her toast people at Magneto's side? Or moreover, how do the moviemakers explain why Jean would turn into Dark Phoenix to the average crowd? It the comics (before they retconned Dark Phoenix into a cosmic entity) the explanation was that Jean's humanity was corrupted by the level of power she had obtained.

Huh..wha?

But if Jean accidentally killed the love of her life, resented her trusted mentor for supressing her true ability instead of teaching her, and has no other reason to live when her friends have withdrawn from her...I think that would give her a better reason to put on red satin and throw her lot in with Magneto.

Then, of course, to redeem her, Scott has to come back. I like the idea of Scott's demolecking really means he's existing inside Phoenix' psyche somewhere, and his struggle to re-emerge will make her turn on Mags and all that crazy ass brotherhood Magneto 'liberated'.

Hey!! Maybe Magneto saved Jason Stryker from X2 and Jean is actually in that mental thrall, thinking she killed Scott when what she did was just displaced him, which would totally jive with the original Black Queen storyline.I found the main problem is that is does not make sense for Scott to go to Alkali Lake on a whim and then get killed...thats to much of a dumb plot device

[N_z0]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:

It looks like gloves to me. It even has the white piping, atleast from what i can see.

[ShadowBoxing]

It looks like gloves to me. It even has the white piping, atleast from what i can see.I did not look like a visor to me either...gloves is prolly a good guess

[ts16]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:


That'd be her gloves I believe.

[Specter313]

Did anyone notice that Storm is carrying Cyclops' visor at the start of the trailer?????! Or are my eyes playing tricks on me???:eek: :confused:

Yeah, I checked, those are definitely her gloves.

[tonytr1687]

What are you dumb...I got it off of Xverse and then acreditted the quote to Ralph Winter....yeah he posts here all the time :rolleyes:

God no wonder you guys come up with so many convoluted explanations for things

Then don't put the quote in there like it's someone from the boards. Just give me the link. Hey it's possible that someone on here would be stupid enough to think a poster named Winter is the real producer...and I thought maybe you were that stupid...fortunately you're not. But okay, since it's from a real source I hope they weren't ****in around when they said he had a key role.

[vanillacyke]

Yeah, I checked, those are definitely her gloves.

Oh drats

[Slim_X]

A little OT -
But doesn't Marsden look just like Tom Cruise in the screaming scene?
I can see him doing just that on Oprah...
I thought he looked like Ben Stiller :O

[vanillacyke]

I thought he looked like Ben Stiller :O

I thought he looked like James Marsden. Buh dunt dunt

[N_z0]

Did storm have gloves in X2? Did she have gloves in her costumed-scenes in this teaser? Just wondering...

[Redskulled]

Face it we know who dies and who is the main characters...

Cyclops dies
Prof. X dies
Magneto dies
Juggy die
Pyro dies


Main character is
Storm (SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[The Dark Guybrush]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/5/b/5bfdfe3e6e27bf19f2931ec135962300.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

Face it we know who dies and who is the main characters...

Cyclops dies
Prof. X dies
Magneto dies
Juggy die
Pyro dies


Main character is
Storm (SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)I doubt those people die...actually someone here on the hype met Mr Mckellen and asked him if Magneto would die and apparently he said "Rumors dear boy".

Plus Juggernaut dying...why exactly, he is just gonna smash things and stuff

[cookiva]

Face it we know who dies and who is the main characters...

Cyclops dies
Prof. X dies
Magneto dies
Juggy die
Pyro dies


Main character is
Storm (SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


If Juggernaut dies in this one, why would Vinne Jones sign on for 2 films? I know that Jean comes back, but Juggy??? Hell no.

[vanillacyke]

Yeah unfortunatly the only confirmed death is Cyke, and probably Prof. X

[Redskulled]

I doubt those people die...actually someone here on the hype met Mr Mckellen and asked him if Magneto would die and apparently he said "Rumors dear boy".

Plus Juggernaut dying...why exactly, he is just gonna smash things and stuff


YEs, but actors lie all the time, there was an interview with the "stupid" whil wheaton and he said "huh, that script you guys are reading it not true at all", and when the movie came out it was identical to the script that was on the internet a year before hand...

But what really bothers me is Storm being the main character. I do not like Halle Berry in the slightest, she is so full of herself and she needs to die and everyone forget about her!!!

[cookiva]

Yeah unfortunatly the only confirmed death is Cyke, and probably Prof. X

Uh, actually, NO!!!!

We have no confirmed deaths!

[Redskulled]

Uh, actually, NO!!!!

We have no confirmed deaths!

uh here we go, another refuser of the truth. I remember when Matrix Revolutions came out and the script was released before hand there was a ton of people saying, Trinity doesnt die, its not confirmed and, boom, she dies and those idiots didn't say anything after that...

[cookiva]

he was de-molecularized which would leave his glasses behind

Where the hell did you get that from??? What if he threw off his glasses, and Wolverine caught them???

If he was de-molecularized, then his glasses would vanish as well....

[ShadowBoxing]

Uh, actually, NO!!!!

We have no confirmed deaths!If I were a betting man...I be betting on Cyclops right now:( :down

[cookiva]

uh here we go, another refuser of the truth. I remember when Matrix Revolutions came out and the script was released before hand there was a ton of people saying, Trinity doesnt die, its not confirmed and, boom, she dies and those idiots didn't say anything after that...


Umm, a confirmation would be Brett Ratner telling us. Has he??? Has anyone besides the false script review?? Nope. In fact, if that review hadnt come out, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah unfortunatly the only confirmed death is Cyke, and probably Prof. X

Where has it been officially CONFIRMED that Cyclops will DIE?

[cookiva]

Where has it been officially CONFIRMED that Cyclops will DIE?

Exactly what I said.

Now he will come back saying "You guys arent looking at the truth".

You know what? I think he dies. You know what else, NO PROOF YET!!!

[ShadowBoxing]

Umm, a confirmation would be Brett Ratner telling us. Has he??? Has anyone besides the false script review?? Nope. In fact, if that review hadnt come out, we wouldnt be having this conversation.It has not been proven false...if anything the teaser CONFIRMS the script. The only thing said that indicates a change is when Xverse interviewed Zak Penn
TXV: How do you handle fan rumors and hype? Recently, some sites and fans have posted rumored spoilers that detail entire chunks of the movie; does this call for changes to be made?
ZP: You try to ignore the rumors, but we always take into account what the fans say. Simon and I read the board, more to get a sense of people's general feelings, and as fans of the films and comics ourselves. It's frustrating that an early draft leaked, because it wasn't even a draft, just a ninety page document we put forth to get things going.
Never once does Penn deny the script outright...and the fact that nearly every scene in the draft leak shows up (I read it today) suggests its true....but I do have some good news

[Redskulled]

Umm, a confirmation would be Brett Ratner telling us. Has he??? Has anyone besides the false script review?? Nope. In fact, if that review hadnt come out, we wouldnt be having this conversation.


well the god awful trailer matches the script identically, and if you don't want to believe it go ahead. But when you see the movie and it all turns out true, you'll feel like a jackass...

[cookiva]

It has not been proven false...if anything the teaser CONFIRMS the script. The only thing said that indicates a change is when Xverse interviewed Zak Penn
TXV: How do you handle fan rumors and hype? Recently, some sites and fans have posted rumored spoilers that detail entire chunks of the movie; does this call for changes to be made?
ZP: You try to ignore the rumors, but we always take into account what the fans say. Simon and I read the board, more to get a sense of people's general feelings, and as fans of the films and comics ourselves. It's frustrating that an early draft leaked, because it wasn't even a draft, just a ninety page document we put forth to get things going.
Never once does Penn deny the script outright...and the fact that nearly every scene in the draft leak shows up (I read it today) suggests its true....but I do have some good news

Yes, but like I said earlier, alot of the script has been proved to be wrong. Ratner is a huge Xmen fan, and he knows that he will be lynched for this. He wont do this.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, but like I said earlier, alot of the script has been proved to be wrong. Ratner is a huge Xmen fan, and he knows that he will be lynched for this. He wont do this.Well most of it has been proven true...not a lot of it is wrong...read the script...but there is good news amongst all this

[cookiva]

Well most of it has been proven true...not a lot of it is wrong...

Like Alcatraz? Its at the end of the film, not the beginning.
Like Gambit?
Like Avalanche?
Like Scarlet Witch?

Remember, you are trusting the site that told us that Angel would be a chick!!!!

[ShadowBoxing]

Like Alcatraz? Its at the end of the film, not the beginning.
Like Gambit?
Like Avalanche?
Like Scarlet Witch?

Remember, you are trusting the site that told us that Angel would be a chick!!!!Okay...I would honestly go into this going with my gut, fearing the worst at this point and be pleasantly surprised...than deluding myself to the fact that a scene (thats is exactly the same) has a different ending and be totally crushed.

[cookiva]

Okay...I would honestly go into this going with my gut, fearing the worst at this point and be pleasantly surprised...than deluding myself to the fact that a scene (thats is exactly the same) has a different ending and be totally crushed.

Dude, I think he dies. Im just pissed that people are going around saying its "confirmed". ITS NOT!!!!

[StevieNicks1988]

well the god awful trailer matches the script identically, and if you don't want to believe it go ahead. But when you see the movie and it all turns out true, you'll feel like a jackass...

Wrong. Cyclops goes to Alkali Lake ALONE, yet we see Wolverine there. Kitty and Bobby are the only ones who do the Danger Room, yet now we have Kitty, Bobby, Rogue, Colossus, Storm and Wolverine. There HAVE been changes, which is why no one knows what the hell is going to happen. Of course, the ninety-page script was what the movie is based on, but a lot of the scenes SINCE then, have been re-written, re-worked and re-done on a much larger scale to fit a movie this size. The only things that remain untouched are the facts that 1) What makes Jean go nuts and join the Brotherhood is the fact Prof X 'betrayed' her and her trust (Not killing Cyclops, IF it even happens now), 2) The "Cure", and 3) Magneto's Brotherhood Army, and whatever else the main storylines are. If you're going to come into this debate, ATLEAST get your facts right before you present them as fact.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wrong. Cyclops goes to Alkali Lake ALONE, yet we see Wolverine there. Kitty and Bobby are the only ones who do the Danger Room, yet now we have Kitty, Bobby, Rogue, Colossus, Storm and Wolverine. There HAVE been changes, which is why no one knows what the hell is going to happen. Of course, the ninety-page script was what the movie is based on, but a lot of the scenes SINCE then, have been re-written, re-worked and re-done on a much larger scale to fit a movie this size. The only things that remain untouched are the facts that 1) What makes Jean go nuts and join the Brotherhood is the fact Prof X 'betrayed' her and her trust (Not killing Cyclops, IF it even happens now), 2) The "Cure", and 3) Magneto's Brotherhood Army, and whatever else the main storylines are. If you're going to come into this debate, ATLEAST get your facts right before you present them as fact.He goes alone in the script too apparently...I posted it a few pages back. The script even calls for him to be unkemp and scruffy. The ONLY, only thing Cyclops fans have to cling to is 2 weeks filming time

[StevieNicks1988]

Oh well, things have still changed. So I don't see what the big deal is. Even if it is the ONLY thing we have to cling onto, it's also a VERY BIG piece of evidence that points to Cyke having more in this movie.

Ratner: "Action!"
Marsden: "Dammit, Brett. Can I go now? I've done this scene over and over for two weeks now, I think you have enough takes!!"

[tonytr1687]

Oh well, things have still changed. So I don't see what the big deal is. Even if it is the ONLY thing we have to cling onto, it's also a VERY BIG piece of evidence that points to Cyke having more in this movie.

Ratner: "Action!"
Marsden: "Dammit, Brett. Can I go now? I've done this scene over and over for two weeks now, I think you have enough takes!!"

It's very possible the two weeks of filming consisted of a few scenes prior to his Alkali Lake death, and then the death scene itself. Why two weeks? Could be a number of things, be it the scenes were scheduled to film days apart, other cast members had to be available, etc. Please provide a link that says Ian Mckellen only filmed for two weeks on X2. Two weeks is NOT a long time. The average for a supporting/main character to be filming a movie of this type and size is 4-5 months. A far cry from a mere two weeks. And just look at how long Marsden has been filming Superman Returns: Since early summer with only a two-week haitus to film X3...and he's only a supporting role/third-wheel character in SR!

[StevieNicks1988]

True, but if an actor has other arrangements, timetables are shifted and other scenes are filmed, so they can fit his scenes into the available time. They've done that a s**t load of times in many, many movies. One in particular I remember is Halloween Resurrection. The whole opening 15 minute Jamie Lee Curtis thing was done very shortly because she was needed somewhere else, so all the scenes from the beginning of the movie featuring her were done smack in the middle of production when she had available time.

[Abaddon]

He's a goner.Just accept it now,so you wont be hurt later.:(












and if it turns out to be false,youll be pleasantly surprised.:)

[ShadowBoxing]

He's a goner.Just accept it now,so you wont be hurt later.:(












and if it turns out to be false,youll be pleasantly surprised.:)just what I said

[StevieNicks1988]

I just want actual proof it's going to happen. Most of my family is made up of lawyers, so I've been brought up this way to not believe anything until I have actual proof that states what people are trying to say as fact. We've seen the scene, but that still doesn't mean he dies. Like I said, little things here and there have changed, perhaps he dies, perhaps not. Perhaps he disappears and reappears like a hero in the third act, perhaps he dies like a loser. Who knows? We'll have to wait until proof is given.

[cookiva]

I just want actual proof it's going to happen. Most of my family is made up of lawyers, so I've been brought up this way to not believe anything until I have actual proof that states what people are trying to say as fact. We've seen the scene, but that still doesn't mean he dies. Like I said, little things here and there have changed, perhaps he dies, perhaps not. Perhaps he disappears and reappears like a hero in the third act, perhaps he dies like a loser. Who knows? We'll have to wait until proof is given.

Sing it, SN!!!

[StevieNicks1988]

Another thing I'd like to bring up;
"IGNFF: It has been revealed/alleged that certain characters will die in X3. Why do the filmmakers feel it is necessary to do that?
Kinberg: I know what's been alleged online. Some of it is true. Most of it is not. All I can say is, death is a part of life. One of the moments I remember most vividly from childhood was when Obi-Wan died."

Kinberg mentioned death, but he DOES say some is true, but MOST is not. He never denies that it wasn't in the script before, but here he gives clear notice that most of it has changed, and now we actually have visual proof of that from the teaser trailer. Also, the only death he mentions is not the one with the most controversy around it (Cyclops), but he brings up Obi-Wan dying in the original Star Wars, which means he is referring to the death of Professor X. Two mentors that die to save others.

[WorthyStevens]

True, but if an actor has other arrangements, timetables are shifted and other scenes are filmed, so they can fit his scenes into the available time. They've done that a s**t load of times in many, many movies. One in particular I remember is Halloween Resurrection. The whole opening 15 minute Jamie Lee Curtis thing was done very shortly because she was needed somewhere else, so all the scenes from the beginning of the movie featuring her were done smack in the middle of production when she had available time.

That example isn't going to help the "Cyclops will live" cause too much lol...

[ShadowBoxing]

I just want actual proof it's going to happen. Most of my family is made up of lawyers, so I've been brought up this way to not believe anything until I have actual proof that states what people are trying to say as fact. We've seen the scene, but that still doesn't mean he dies. Like I said, little things here and there have changed, perhaps he dies, perhaps not. Perhaps he disappears and reappears like a hero in the third act, perhaps he dies like a loser. Who knows? We'll have to wait until proof is given.Right so if you are a lawyer (like I am studying to be) you would know in this instance the burden of proof is not on Scott dying but Scott living. You have to give reasonable evidence why he lives. You merely state the draft may or may not have changed...even though judging by the trailer, little if any has changed. There is no evidence he lives right now. There are conjectures you can make on why you think he may live, but no actually evidence (like say a draft script) to back it up remotely concretely.

[StevieNicks1988]

There's little evidence he dies either. In the original X2 rough draft script, Jean lived.

[ShadowBoxing]

There's little evidence he dies either. In the original X2 rough draft script, Jean lived.we do not know she does not live through this either...most of that script is the same

- Beast is the confrontational advisor to the President
- Angel is being restained and resisted being cured by his father and Rao
- Scott goes to Alkali Lake scruffy and alone...Logan finds all thats left of him is his glasses
- Magneto breaks the criminals of his brotherhood out of Alcatraz
- Storm becomes (is) leader of the team
- The X-team consists of Colossus, Iceman, Kitty and Rogue with Wolverine and Storm as the senior members
- There is a Kitty, Bobby and Rogue love triangle
- Magneto kidnaps or captures Jean
- Several indications of Xavier dying are apparent
- There is a Golden Gate Bridge fight scene
- There is a Danger Room sequence
- Jean lies in a hospital room beneath the X-Mansion

all in the draft script...all in the preview

[cookiva]

There's little evidence he dies either. In the original X2 rough draft script, Jean lived.

Good point. No matter what anyone says, we have seen this sort of thing before.

[bosef982]

I don't know. This movie looks too big to me. So many action scenes. Who knows.

I'm on the side that says Cyclops dies. In the comics, the Dark Phoenix potential is unleashed when The Black Queen sees Cyclops die at the hands of Jason Wynguard. So, in this case, I think its possible that his actual deah (i.e. the part in the trailer where she's crying in Logan's arms) could be the part where she snaps.

HOWEVER

It doesn't explain why she would later be waking up and smashing out the X-Lab like that if she was cognizant to earlier wake up and do the whole thing with Logan. Unless, she goes nuts in the X-Mansion, Logan calms her, and then she finds out he's dead.

Who the **** knows.

However, being that we DID NOT SEE the last scene at all in that trailer -- save for a few bits of bridge and stuff, I'd say the juries still out. The fact that Cyclop's official pic is scruffy like that makes me think he's not a major player in terms of team action.

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't know. This movie looks too big to me. So many action scenes. Who knows.

I'm on the side that says Cyclops dies. In the comics, the Dark Phoenix potential is unleashed when The Black Queen sees Cyclops die at the hands of Jason Wynguard. So, in this case, I think its possible that his actual deah (i.e. the part in the trailer where she's crying in Logan's arms) could be the part where she snaps.

HOWEVER

It doesn't explain why she would later be waking up and smashing out the X-Lab like that if she was cognizant to earlier wake up and do the whole thing with Logan. Unless, she goes nuts in the X-Mansion, Logan calms her, and then she finds out he's dead.

Who the **** knows.

However, being that we DID NOT SEE the last scene at all in that trailer -- save for a few bits of bridge and stuff, I'd say the juries still out. The fact that Cyclop's official pic is scruffy like that makes me think he's not a major player in terms of team action.I know we do not the what happens between Cyclops at lake and Wolverine's arrival. But everyone has to understand the trailer is not just made for us. Some people have not read the AICN script. Just follow the movies, do not read the comics. Some people will just be caught by the flashy special effects and characters in the preview and see it for that reason. That is why the preview cuts out his supposed death. Not for the fans who have the whole movie figured out, but for those who do not.

[taintedFB]

Scripts change all the time. I know this from first hand experience working in TV. But lets not forget that....

In X2, not only did Jean live, but was blinded by Scott's blast...ended up getting changed....

Even the AICN document was missing an entire third act....

ONe of the producers mentioned there is a surprise twist at the end that you will probably never even see on paper.... could it be Scott's return. I think it's very possible since his role is the only one we really know nothing about in this film.

And one of the producers said they had most of Marsden's scenes done... Not all. That means he would be going back for more... highly unlikely if he simply dies at the lake.

And lets not forget that Superman recently had a five week hiatus before wrapping. Marsden could have been back for more... I think his big scenes will be with Phoenix and since we have yet to see her in action or even on fire, my bet is that its being kept hush hush.

I DO believe that he has left the X-Men, but will return to stop/ save Jean.

Again, length of shooting, AICN never saw the final act, and big surprise twist mentioned...

Plus, I doubt Marsden would even bother if it was one scene and he dies like that. He's doing pretty well. Since X-Men 1, he's done more movies than any other actor in the franchise...

And Ratner knows his importance. Nuff said...

PLus, the writer said it wasn;t even a script and again, MArsden's schedule was not known back then....

Although, I believe his role will be equal to the last two installments. I do believe he'll have his moment and be a "KEY PLAYER" in this adventure...

Just what I think.

[ShadowBoxing]

Scripts change all the time. I know this from first hand experience working in TV. But lets not forget that....

In X2, not only did Jean live, but was blinded by Scott's blast...ended up getting changed....

Even the AICN document was missing an entire third act....

ONe of the producers mentioned there is a surprise twist at the end that you will probably never even see on paper.... could it be Scott's return. I think it's very possible since his role is the only one we really know nothing about in this film.

And one of the producers said they had most of Marsden's scenes done... Not all. That means he would be going back for more... highly unlikely if he simply dies at the lake.

And lets not forget that Superman recently had a five week hiatus before wrapping. Marsden could have been back for more... I think his big scenes will be with Phoenix and since we have yet to see her in action or even on fire, my bet is that its being kept hush hush.

I DO believe that he has left the X-Men, but will return to stop/ save Jean.

Again, length of shooting, AICN never saw the final act, and big surprise twist mentioned...

Plus, I doubt Marsden would even bother if it was one scene and he dies like that. He's doing pretty well. Since X-Men 1, he's done more movies than any other actor in the franchise...

And Ratner knows his importance. Nuff said...

PLus, the writer said it wasn;t even a script and again, MArsden's schedule was not known back then....

Although, I believe his role will be equal to the last two installments. I do believe he'll have his moment and be a "KEY PLAYER" in this adventure...

Just what I think.This is all good evidence...the rest is heresay...however you are correct that I have heard about a twist ending. And remember we a mysterious Asian mutant whose powers are yet unknown

[vanillacyke]

we do not know she does not live through this either...most of that script is the same

- Beast is the confrontational advisor to the President
- Angel is being restained and resisted being cured by his father and Rao
- Scott goes to Alkali Lake scruffy and alone...Logan finds all thats left of him is his glasses
- Magneto breaks the criminals of his brotherhood out of Alcatraz
- Storm becomes (is) leader of the team
- The X-team consists of Colossus, Iceman, Kitty and Rogue with Wolverine and Storm as the senior members
- There is a Kitty, Bobby and Rogue love triangle
- Magneto kidnaps or captures Jean
- Several indications of Xavier dying are apparent
- There is a Golden Gate Bridge fight scene
- There is a Danger Room sequence
- Jean lies in a hospital room beneath the X-Mansion

all in the draft script...all in the preview

LOL ha ha ha if this does'nt prove Cyke is a gonner I don't know what does. I mean even the publicity pic. of him screams death! He isn't even wearing his visor for cripe sakes!!! and NO fox is not trying to trick us thats just stupid. They don't care what we know cause they know no matter what fans will go see it. geez ya'll so naive.

[N_z0]

The publicity shot of Cyclops does seem like he's wearing his X-men uniform there though so there's hope yet.

[taintedFB]

WHy is everyone insisting that he dies! I don't get it.

Clearly the amount of time he spent on this movie is more than what the AICN review states. And the surprise at the end?

Seriously, if there were to be an X4, Marsden would be one of the few to return... and rightfully so. We know Halle's done after this one. and who knows if Jean will survive, though I hope she does. Having her die in both sequels is a bit redundant... Thus the Cyclops bringing her to her senses story...

[taintedFB]

I think it is clearly the professor's funeral in thet railer because if it were anyone else, he'd be there. Scott's not, because he's not part of the team and doesn't even know what's happened yet. Jean's not, because she's still evil....

[Retroman]

Yeah, I checked, those are definitely her gloves.
After viewing #50:D I noticed that those are Storm's gloves.:O

[Retroman]

After watching i noticed a bit of trivia. The scenes with Cyclops, Wolverine were shot Revelstoke and Mica Dams back in September.:)

http://static.flickr.com/32/42020573_9d5c4051a6_o.jpg


http://static.flickr.com/32/42019714_ebd9701941_o.jpg

More pics and info: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198107

[Sparta*]

If Cyclops dies........I will be so enraged....I wouldn't even see an X4 if he isn't in it. Why do people overlook his IMPORTANCE?! He is the heart and soul of the X-men...he is their very essence...their leader, and he should be one of the main focuses of the movie...if he dies at Alkali lake in the beginning of the movie, I will scream.

[Octoberist]

people who overlook his importance are tools. Honestly. THey're the same people who rooted for Beast and Angel (Original team) , but don't give a crap about Cyclops' death DESPITE being the original member as well.

I'm not a Cyclops fan, but I respect his legacy. This BS of Marsden "being stupid for taking Superman Returns" is just an excuse..esp since X3 was going no where when he took the Supes role.

[Retroman]

Marsden signed to yet another project (he's got 3 others i think) will he even have time to do reshoots??


From Coming Soon!

Marsden Joins Adams in Enchanted
Source: Variety December 7, 2005

James Marsden has signed to play the prince opposite Amy Adams' princess in the Kevin Lima-directed romantic fable Enchanted, which mixes live action and classic animation, reports Variety.

The Disney feature centers on a princess-in-waiting who is banished by an evil queen from the animation world of Andalasia to present-day New York City. Once there, the film turns to live action, and Adams' character attempts to navigate the city, finding true love in the process.

Marsden will play the prince who falls in love with Adams' character and follows her into the real world.

Barry Sonnenfeld and Barry Josephson are producing from a script currently written by Bill Kelly. Chris Chase and Sunil Perkash are executive producing.

Marsden next stars in X-Men 3 and Superman Returns.Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=12270

[Octoberist]

Production ends in December and doubt there will be reshoots. With May coming on fast, they better have everything done or they're dead.

[Sparta*]

Pfft, Marsden probably filmed his entire X3 part in a day

...i'm so bitter now, cause all clues point to Cyke dying

[Octoberist]

Trust me. It will be a BIG DEAL when the movie hits theaters this May, if Cyclops dies like a piece of crap.

I don't know... for the people who don't care now WILL 5 months from now. The mainstream and casual fans will question it.

For the people who justify Cyclops' death, well, they're so ignorant on what's going on.