Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[tonytr1687]

Yeah, but why change the visor if it won't be used?

For promotion. They want stuff to look new and updated.

[WorthyStevens]

For promotion. They want stuff to look new and updated.

But the X2 visor is just as good. Why waste money, even if they have a good amount of it?

[tonytr1687]

But the X2 visor is just as good. Why waste money, even if they have a good amount of it?

It's possible they didnt even make a new visor and the stuff we're seeing in promos is just doctored. Was there actually confirmation they made a new one?

[WorthyStevens]

It's possible they didnt even make a new visor and the stuff we're seeing in promos is just doctored. Was there actually confirmation they made a new one?

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9126/xp450mn.pnghttp://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8697/20034ah.jpg

[tonytr1687]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7843/xvcyclops7kz.jpghttp://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8697/20034ah.jpg

Those look exactly the same minus the brighter red on the X2 one, which of course is photoshop. Unless someone actually says it, those could easily be the same visor.

[WorthyStevens]

Those look exactly the same minus the brighter red on the X2 one, which of course is photoshop.

^ Edited my last post with a bigger pic.

They're different colors.

[tonytr1687]

^ Edited my last post with a bigger pic.

They're different colors.

Its just the lighting, my friend. Sometimes black can look blue if you light it bright enough. Just look at Batman's suit in some shots of Batman and Robin. Sometimes it looks black, sometimes it looks dark blue.

[BMM]

They're probably just using the same visor, or the same design . . . given the tight schedule, I doubt they had time to mull over details like that too much (especially if the X2 visor worked just as well).

That's probably why the uniforms didn't evolve either like between X-Men and X2 . . . there wasn't enough time to incorporate the subtle changes that were starting to appear in the X2 promos--like Iceman's doctured uniform, etc.

[WorthyStevens]

Its just the lighting, my friend. Sometimes black can look blue if you light it bright enough. Just look at Batman's suit in some shots of Batman and Robin. Sometimes it looks black, sometimes it looks dark blue.

That's what I thought at first. ;)

But I also looked at his new promo pic, which I believe leads more to a dark tint than his X2 visor.

I'll watch X2 again tomorrow, and try to look at the various lighting.

[tonytr1687]

That's what I thought at first. ;)

But I also looked at his new promo pic, which I believe leads more to a dark tint than his X2 visor.

Maybe. But I still think they look a little too similar for us to be saying that they definitely made a new visor. I mean if you actually look at his visor in X2 its a lot darker than in that promo pic. It seems like ppl here in denial about Cyclops' death. Sure the novels arent always exactly like the finished film, but they're pretty damn close. The junior novels usually arent that far off either. I remember buying the junior novel for X1 and the movie was almost identical except for the fact that the novel had the deleted scenes included. I know there's the whole Jean issue with the X2 novel, but dont forgot what Kinberg said about how none of the fates were changed during shooting...and what Claremont and the other writers had as reference was the shooting script.

[WorthyStevens]

Maybe. But I still think they look a little too similar for us to be saying that they definitely made a new visor. I mean if you actually look at his visor in X2 its a lot darker than in that promo pic. It seems like ppl here in denial about Cyclops' death. Sure the novels arent always exactly like the finished film, but they're pretty damn close. The junior novels usually arent that far off either. I remember buying the junior novel for X1 and the movie was almost identical except for the fact that the novel had the deleted scenes included. I know there's the whole Jean issue with the X2 novel, but dont forgot what Kinberg said about how none of the fates were changed during shooting...and what Claremont and the other writers had as reference was the shooting script.

Didn't he also say that some fates were changed though? Perhaps not during shooting, but maybe beforehand.

I'll try and look that up sometime tomorrow.

[echostation]

don't get the hopes up... we'll see in a matter of days

[eXperiment]

Exactly, I can't believe its only a matter of days before X3 comes out in theaters.

[berzerko89]

im excited to see what cyke's fate is (i have theories in mind) but i really must go see the movie first.

[Daniella]

Oh, it's torture... it is yet in 17 days... I'm suffering from X3 anxiety...

Dany ( bitting her nails because of the waiting... )

[berzerko89]

i know... i wish i could sleep for 17 days and wake up just in time to see x3, lol. ;)

[JustABill]

Jean Grey loves James Howlett

95 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Jean Grey and James Howlett has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

Jean Grey loves Scott Summers

74 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Jean Grey and Scott Summers has a reasonable chance of working out, but on the other hand, it might not. Your relationship may suffer good and bad times. If things might not be working out as you would like them to, do not hesitate to talk about it with the person involved. Spend time together, talk with each other.

Ororo Munroe loves James Howlett

81 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Ororo Munroe and James Howlett has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.


BAHH. The love calculator must die. :o

[JustABill]

James Howlett loves Scott Summers

84 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between James Howlett and Scott Summers has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

I feel Brokeback Mutant coming on.

[JustABill]

And this one...just truely disturbs me...

Cain Marko loves James Howlett

99 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Cain Marko and James Howlett has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[LEX]

Where is this Love Calculator you speak of?

[JustABill]

http://www.lovecalculator.com/

[DarknessOfDeath]

yup this thread has turned into brokeback Mutant.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wolverine http://www.lovecalculator.com/img/heart.png Jean Grey 49 %
The chance of a relationship working out between Wolverine and Jean Grey is not very big, but a relationship is very well possible, if the two of you really want it to, and are prepared to make some sacrifices for it. You'll have to spend a lot of quality time together. You must be aware of the fact that this relationship might not work out at all, no matter how much time you invest in it.

and that is soooo True

[JustABill]

Wow. It's almost like it knows.... :eek:

Marie D\'Ancanto loves Remy LeBeau

94 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Marie D\'Ancanto and Remy LeBeau has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[LEX]

http://www.lovecalculator.com/
Ah, thanks. ;)

Love Calculator results
These are the results of the calculations by Dr. Love:
Jack loves Ennis

14 %

... :p

[JustABill]

Phoenix loves Cyclops

86 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Phoenix and Cyclops has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

Ahhh. Much better. :D

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wolverine http://www.lovecalculator.com/img/heart.png Phoenix 89 %
Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Wolverine and Phoenix has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[aaron]

newwaveboy loves justabill

23 %

Dr. Love thinks a relationship might work out between newwaveboy and justabill, but the chance is very small. A successful relationship is possible, but you both have to work on it. Do not sit back and think that it will all work out fine, because it might not be working out the way you wanted it to. Spend as much time with each other as possible. Again, the chance of this relationship working out is very small, so even when you do work hard on it, it still might not work out.

:D

[JustABill]

Jack Twist loves Ennis Del Mar

38 %

The chance of a relationship working out between Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar is not very big, but a relationship is very well possible, if the two of you really want it to, and are prepared to make some sacrifices for it. You'll have to spend a lot of quality time together. You must be aware of the fact that this relationship might not work out at all, no matter how much time you invest in it.



Well, you can't say after watching the movie that there love wasn't doomed from the start anyways. Ah, well. :(

[LEX]

Phoenix loves Xavier

91 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Phoenix and Xavier has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.


*shudders*

[DarknessOfDeath]

Scott http://www.lovecalculator.com/img/heart.png Jean 45 %
The chance of a relationship working out between Scott and Jean is not very big, but a relationship is very well possible, if the two of you really want it to, and are prepared to make some sacrifices for it. You'll have to spend a lot of quality time together. You must be aware of the fact that this relationship might not work out at all, no matter how much time you invest in it.

[JustABill]

Apparently, Storm and Callisto should be doing something else than fighting one another...

Callisto loves Storm

84 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Callisto and Storm has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[silver_arrow]

Ah, thanks. ;)

Love Calculator results
These are the results of the calculations by Dr. Love:
Jack loves Ennis

14 %

... :p

you sure? :mad:

[JustABill]

Xavier really loves his X-Women....

Xavier loves Rogue

91 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Xavier and Rogue has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

Xavier loves Storm

78 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Xavier and Storm has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[LEX]

you sure? :mad:
Cross my heart and hope to die.

[JustABill]

Ackhem....apparently we should be getting these two together.....like NOW....

Famke Janssen loves James Marsden

98 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Famke Janssen and James Marsden has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.

[LEX]

Ackhem....apparently we should be getting these two together.....like NOW....

Famke Janssen loves James Marsden

98 %

Dr. Love thinks that a relationship between Famke Janssen and James Marsden has a very good chance of being successful, but this doesn't mean that you don't have to work on the relationship. Remember that every relationship needs spending time together, talking with each other etc.
I knew it! It's a match made in heaven...

http://image.pathfinder.com/ew/itlist/2000/img/janssenmarsden.jpg

[the_scream]

Seeing as how scripts go through multiple drafts, and the fact that we didn't have any photos or anything to go by last year, I hardly think it seemed, or seems, obvious. :o

That's fine. You don't think it seems obvious. I think it DOES. You'll see for yourself in a couple of weeks I guarantee it.

[JustABill]

They'd make one hell of a hot couple that's for sure. Too bad he's married and happy.

[DarknessOfDeath]

and he's got kids...she doesn't...

[JustABill]

Well, I'm sure Famke counts her little doggie Licorice as a baby. :D

[Verlin]

and he's got kids...she doesn't...

Is his second child already born?

[LEX]

Jimmy and Famke belong together. No question!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Is his second child already born?

Yes...i think

[Verlin]

Well, I'm sure Famke counts her little doggie Licorice as a baby. :D

James: All the familiarity came back once we got on set and in the costumes [at this point an assistant carries Famke's pooch Licorice, a cute Boston Terrier, into the room and puts him on her lap. Everybody ohhh's and aaahh's. James continues...] Everywhere we go it's awwww.

Famke: But you bring your kid all the time.

James: My kid doesn't bite people. I can answer more questions about Licorice than I can about this movie.

XDDD

[JustABill]

Lmfao. James is so funny. I'd love to meet him.

[LEX]

James: All the familiarity came back once we got on set and in the costumes [at this point an assistant carries Famke's pooch Licorice, a cute Boston Terrier, into the room and puts him on her lap. Everybody ohhh's and aaahh's. James continues...] Everywhere we go it's awwww.

Famke: But you bring your kid all the time.

James: My kid doesn't bite people. I can answer more questions about Licorice than I can about this movie.

XDDD
LOL.
Funny dude. :up:

[J.Howlett]

After having just watched X-Men and referring to quotes from Ratner about respecting what Singer set up and having everything come full circle at the end of this trilogy, there's just no way they can kill Scott.

That scene with Xavier and Scott in the first film is just too strong to ignore. You can't have a character make a statement like that ("Whatever happens, I promise I'll take care of them"), then kill off the mentor/teacher of the school and not have Scott fulfill that statement. You can't do it, if you truly want to respect what came before X3.

I'm not saying that it would totally ruin the film for me if the rest of the film is excellent but in a way, it would.

The death of Xavier makes sense if you understand the hero's journey model. But, what Scott says is so extremely important to the storyline that has been set up. The film would lose it's emotional powerful if Scott doesn't do what he said he would if Xavier fell.

Again, it won't ruin the film for me but it would be a gargantuan bummer if Scott doesn't make it, considering we know that Xavier is gone....we think...

[hue]

I never fell for that because I knew they were grasping at straws. Nothing against anyone who held those views or for some crazy reason still hold those views.

Cyke dies in a humiliating manner in X3 in the first 25 minutes. That's the cold, hard truth. Best thing for hardcore Cyclops fans to do is to not support the movie. I know I won't.

If they ever make an X-Men movie-a REAL X-Men movie, NOT a "Wolverine and His 'Lil Mutie Sidekicks" movie, I'll be hugely supportive of it.

I agree. I am waiting the hear what happens to him. If they don't do him justice, I won't support it either. Apparantly the new cartoon will be titled Wolverine and the X-men. Boy has everything changed. It is no longer the x-men I have been following for over 20 years. Stopped buying the x-books after x1 as the books changed as well. They all seem to always have wolverine on the covers as well much of the time. What a waste.

[J.Howlett]

The first two films arestill X-Men films. Yes, Logan is the lead but we get the team effort in each film, just in different ways. Hell, X2 has three different teams situations going on at once before it becomes two then at the end one team effort. With these many characters, it makes sense that some might get the shaft. They do the best they can with it.

It makes sense to have Logan as your central figure. You can't have the boyscott as the central character. That's what we have Superman for.

Now, for X3, it seemed to me that it makes perfect sense to have Scott and Logan as the central figures, especially Scott considering the comics. There's drama and conflict there with Jean dying in X2, then resurfacing.

[Verlin]

I agree. It just doesn't make sense. Why? This would go against all rules of clever marketing. Why leave some fans at the end of the movie saying: "Ah, f*** you Fox!!! This movie sucked!" I agree that this film has a LOT to do with making money and money and money. But isn't it just is a very stupid thing to screw some fans, who are part of that money source, by killing a charakter they really like?

[J.Howlett]

It's not the fan aspect that concerns me. It's the integrity of the storyline with specific characters that was set from the beginning.

It's a golden, gigantic opportunity to end this trilogy on a great, great note with Scott taking over the school to fulfill a promise he made in X-Men. It brings a close to this storyline of a war between mutants and humans. It brings close to the characters specific storylines to this chapter of the X-Men story.

If done correctly, then they could break and start clean with another set of X-Men films with a different storyline and different characters.

Characters come and go in films but when you have a scene that features Scott and a comatose Xavier and Scott makes a profound statement that he makes in that scene, it is important to realize that part of Scott's story.

Scott has two stories; the one I just mentioned and his story with Jean. You can put to rest both stories in the same film and everything would be golden.

As I stated, if the rest of the film is better than X2 in all aspects and yet Scott does indeed die, it will hurt me in terms of making this trilogy come full circle, but it won't hurt my enjoyment of the film.

What is happening here is that X-Men The Last Stand has a chance of closing this trilogy the right way, the epic way, the proper way. And by doing it correctly, this trilogy has a chance to become one of the more interesting and successful trilogies in cinema history. It has the chance to be up there in the upper tiers of film trilogies. It has that chance. It has a chance to be up there with The Star Wars Trilogies (which ever one you like), The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Matrix Trilogy, The Indiana Jones Trilogy, The Godfather Trilogy, and The Back to the Future Trilogy. This is the list it could be on if everything turns out as it should.

The Scott dilemna would be a major, major misstep if he does die. His character's too strong in the first film.

I will accept his fate if he dies and has a proper death that's emotional, dramatic, and important to the story and the characters. But, it's a major miss to completion of this trilogy if he doesn't fulfill his promise to Xavier, since Xavier dies.

[hue]

I'm betting those making all these decisions and parameters aren't even fans. It would explain why it seems none of them are fighting for Cyke. None of them are so engrossed in the story that they want to see more similarity between the books and films. Their sole concern has to be money and even that is misguided. The best from the books has always been the interaction between Wolverine and Cyke. Wolverine always wanting to go claws blazing first and Cyke always trying to keep him in check, getting him to reason first. The two go hand in hand. 2 opposites countering each other. These interactions would only serve to allow for more interesting dialog between them, hence more onscreen time for good ole cyke without taking away from Wolverine. And would stick more closely to the books. Plus many of us would be happier and want to spend more money at the theatre. I went 3 times for x1, 2 for x2 and will go 0 times if they don't take more from the source material this time around. If anyone read God loves, Man kills on which x2 was based, cyke has a large role compared to the movie. As upsetting as that was, I still went to see it. But Pheonix/Dark pheonix is a much bigger story with Cyke as central. I won't be able to stomach watching a radical change such as cyke not be in the forefront this time.

[J.Howlett]

Well, I don't read the comics but I know specifics about certain storylines. The comic universe is different from the film universe and I much prefer the reality base that was set up...but you do raise a point that was made in the first film; the interaction between Scott and Logan.

I, just moments ago, finished watching the first film and their interaction throughout the film was great. It works and it resembles their interaction in the comics. They had a brief moment at the beginning of X2 and then two really, really strong moments and the end of X2 that led many to believe that the Jean/Phoenix storyline would feature Scott and Logan equally because they both have something at stake. Plus, if Xavier, passes, this is more drama for Scott and Logan together...because Scott has to take care of things. Logan woudl be more concerned for Jean as would be Scott. There would be a lot of butting heads if they were equally in X3.

Look, I'm a huge Wolverine fan so him being the central figure in these three films doesn't bother me. But, I like all the characters and I want them to have their due justice in this final film.

If Scott passes in an unsatisfactory way, they would essentially be destroying a promising drama that was setup magnificiently at the end of X2.

But again, if the rest of the film is better than X2 in all aspects and this specific part doesn't end as it should, I will still enjoy the film and still feel that it is better than X2 and X-Men. But, the Scott dilemna would be a gigantic void that would destroy the integrity of the trilogy just a bit.

[J.Howlett]

The sad thing about it all is that it's not rocket science. You watch X-Men and X2 back to back and the storyline and the specific character parameters basically write itself.

You add more drama and questions to the subtext. You finish the "War Between Mutants and Humanity" storyline. You add and finish up specific character storylines that have been set up since film one. And you beef up the action to epic proporations. And that's how you end this franchise the right way.

Again, it's not rocket science. Bryan Singer gave you the manual.

[hue]

Look, I'm a huge Wolverine fan so him being the central figure in these three films doesn't bother me. But, I like all the characters and I want them to have their due justice in this final film.

If Scott passes in an unsatisfactory way, they would essentially be destroying a promising drama that was setup magnificiently at the end of X2.

But again, if the rest of the film is better than X2 in all aspects and this specific part doesn't end as it should, I will still enjoy the film and still feel that it is better than X2 and X-Men. But, the Scott dilemna would be a gigantic void that would destroy the integrity of the trilogy just a bit.[/quote]

Coming from a huge Wolverine fan, thats great to hear. The film makers seem to be so focussed on this 1 character, (wolverine) they cannot see this. Thinking that having the leader actually present, takes away from their money maker. Put wolverine in character, and cyke in character. I'm sure it would all work out and be quite profitable. Wolverine is not the leader.

All this would almost imply there is not enough that is of depth or interesting about Wolverine that they have to take all that is Cyclops, and give it to Wolverine. Why can't they come up with writing that demonstrates who Wolverine is separate from the roles of the other characters and leave the others as they are supposed to be?

[J.Howlett]

Well, I find Wolverine more interesting that Scott just because of his past and the fact that he doesn't know any of it and the fact that he goes back and forth on whether or not he really wants to be part of this group. That right makes him more interesting that Scott.

Scott is a straight forward person who really is an extension of Xavier. And that's okay. That's how he was raised and that's important to him. But, from the filmmakers perspective and the studio, that doesn't neccessarily bring in the audience they want to make millions off this franchise.

Plus, given the amount of characters in this ensemble, it's hard to do everyone justice. They were failing Scott big time in X2 before the end sequences. When Scott reentered and when the rest happened, they redeemed him majorily. But, with the way it ended, you'd figure he would be even more important than ever.

And then when we found out Xavier would be getting killed off(again a decision I think is great), it's a no brainer. Scott is the Leader and he has to see this thing through for his mentor, his teacher, his father in a way. Again, it's right there for the taking.

With all of that, you can still give Logan ample with his story. His story would work with Scott's story. He wouldn't be fighting for leadership. It would be a fight for Jean's return and her heart. And, you can also have him truly realizing the importance of this cure dilemna. And when he sees that there's no hope between him and Jean, he would have to make a choice as to whether or not it's important to fight this threat on mutants and on the coexistence of humanity and mutants.

From what we can tell, they've done some of that...which is good.

But, you have to have Scott.

Now, if Scott is in a coma and the X-Men are getting their asses handed to them by the Brotherhood and Jean and Scott comes in to save not only the fight but Jean, that's drama. That's emotion. That's epic. And that's how it should end. That's been the setup all along. This is Scott's moment at the end of this film.

I just have to feel that the filmmakers had to realize this and couldn't pass on it...no matter what the trailers and tv spots show. They have to realize this. It's just too big an opportunity to miss.

[hue]

We'll see. To me Scotts life is more interesting and more tragic. Seeing how he lost his parents, the orphanage, and even stories which suggest Sinister was studying Scott even as scott was young, separated from his brother, discovering his powers for the first time and the reasons for his lack of control of them and how this affects him, the fact that he is somewhat handicapped if not for special glasses, being the 1st recruit and how it may have happened, developing into a natural leader, 1st meeting Jean and the 1st team, 1st dangeroom sessions, his ingenious field commands, being able to defeat enemies even when he doesn't have use of his visors and how, Xavier trusting him enough to take over and on and on. These are more interesting to me than Wolverine, but I guess we all have different tastes, which is why the producers should revolve the stories around ALL the characters, or at least all the main characters, definately not leaving the LEADER out, since we all have different interests and want to see different things.

[hue]

His power is even more impressive to me. He is supposed to be able to punch a hole through a mountain. can you imagine viewing something like that on screen? From high up or something. Anyway, like I said we all want different things.

[The Batman]

People lump cyclops into the "Boy scout" thing too often.

Ultimate Cyclops, claremont Cyclops--both versions were badass as well as following xavier's dream...

[martinbluther]

People lump cyclops into the "Boy scout" thing too often.

Ultimate Cyclops, claremont Cyclops--both versions were badass as well as following xavier's dream...

A big Amen to that, so to speak. I don't think JHowlett is doing that, mind.

I do think the supposition of Scott's being dull is due to weak writing. There just aren't that many bad or flat characters in the X-Verse. I think the Whedon's Cyke is also a great character. The good guy is not always "good," and even boy scouts screw up, and not always out of some namby-pamby weakness.

I agree with you, JHowlett, that the dynamic in the first movie between Scott-Logan was great, hinting at the type of grudging mutual respect the two characters have in the comics, and just because they haven't been written in depth so far, doesn't mean that they couldn't have been... :)

[The Batman]

A big Amen to that, so to speak. I don't think JHowlett is doing that, mind.

I do think the supposition of Scott's being dull is due to weak writing. There just aren't that many bad or flat characters in the X-Verse. I think the Whedon's Cyke is also a great character. The good guy is not always "good," and even boy scouts screw up, and not always out of some namby-pamby weakness.

I agree with you, JHowlett, that the dynamic in the first movie between Scott-Logan was great, hinting at the type of grudging mutual respect the two characters have in the comics, and just because they haven't been written in depth so far, doesn't mean that they couldn't have been... :)


its not directed at howlett. its ow the filmmakers seem to think hes nothing more than a straightlaced guy...when if they actually tried to make the character appealing, they could see that ultimate cyclops would be a perfect movie cyclops

[Mike059jig]

ultimate cyclops lost me when he went to the brotherhood for a school girl crush...i never like that cyclops..he is written best in return of king arc and thats it...and 616 is above all and he is written well by most..never like reading ultimate cyke just couldn't get a hold of him..

[J.Howlett]

Still, you come to the problem with the many characters that have to get screentime and that's a big part as to why some get more development than others.

Not giving an excuse to the writers but it does happen with an ensemble piece such as these films.

And then, there becomes certain situations where certain background characters are given mere moments that actually make people like their characters even more so you want to see them do more stuff in the sequels. The perfect examples are Iceman and Colossus.

[martinbluther]

its not directed at howlett. its ow the filmmakers seem to think hes nothing more than a straightlaced guy...when if they actually tried to make the character appealing, they could see that ultimate cyclops would be a perfect movie cyclops

fair enough. I wasn't trying to stir anything betwixt you guys, just clarifying my comment. Didn't think you meant ill.

I agree about how the filmmakers seem to suffer from a lack of both creative imagination and backstory (which often enriches the former) when it comes to Slim.

I understand Cyke freaking out over Jean. She's the love of his life, and to lose her to a guy who, at that point, he thought of as a creep, was more than he could handle. It does seem a bit adolescent, but...

[tonytr1687]

It's not the fan aspect that concerns me. It's the integrity of the storyline with specific characters that was set from the beginning.

It's a golden, gigantic opportunity to end this trilogy on a great, great note with Scott taking over the school to fulfill a promise he made in X-Men. It brings a close to this storyline of a war between mutants and humans. It brings close to the characters specific storylines to this chapter of the X-Men story.

If done correctly, then they could break and start clean with another set of X-Men films with a different storyline and different characters.

Characters come and go in films but when you have a scene that features Scott and a comatose Xavier and Scott makes a profound statement that he makes in that scene, it is important to realize that part of Scott's story.

Scott has two stories; the one I just mentioned and his story with Jean. You can put to rest both stories in the same film and everything would be golden.

As I stated, if the rest of the film is better than X2 in all aspects and yet Scott does indeed die, it will hurt me in terms of making this trilogy come full circle, but it won't hurt my enjoyment of the film.

What is happening here is that X-Men The Last Stand has a chance of closing this trilogy the right way, the epic way, the proper way. And by doing it correctly, this trilogy has a chance to become one of the more interesting and successful trilogies in cinema history. It has the chance to be up there in the upper tiers of film trilogies. It has that chance. It has a chance to be up there with The Star Wars Trilogies (which ever one you like), The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Matrix Trilogy, The Indiana Jones Trilogy, The Godfather Trilogy, and The Back to the Future Trilogy. This is the list it could be on if everything turns out as it should.

The Scott dilemna would be a major, major misstep if he does die. His character's too strong in the first film.

I will accept his fate if he dies and has a proper death that's emotional, dramatic, and important to the story and the characters. But, it's a major miss to completion of this trilogy if he doesn't fulfill his promise to Xavier, since Xavier dies.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree. You put it perfectly. The one thing that pisses me off the most about Cyke's possible crappy death is how much it screws up the continuity of the franchise and the seeds Singer layed in X1. I mean the writers and director of this film keep on talking about how much they studied the first two films and sought to wrap up all the seemingly insignificant arcs that were set up in little scenes throughout both movies. If anything, that right there describes the scene between Cyke and Xavier in X1. So it'll really upset me, considering what Kinberg and Ratner have promised, if Cyke ends up dying at Alkali Lake. Because that will eliminate any chances of his character having any kind of closure, another thing they promised for each of the characters in X3. The perfect ending would be Scott arriving to save Jean from herself and bring her back to the good side, and that right there would close the Scott/Logan/Jean triangle for good, because Logan would see once and for all that Scott is the man for her. He would see that Scott was able to break through to her and save her when he couldnt (the infirmary scene). And Scott would be there to take over the school from Xavier just like he promised in X1, thus everything comes full circle. Without that, the trilogy is incomplete in my book. It should be Scott by Jeans side at the climax of the film, not Logan as has been described by ppl who claim to have read the junior novel and say that Logan is the one by her side and kills her at her request (which is another horrible decision since it would be repetitive to have Jean die AGAIN, but thats a whole different story).

[J.Howlett]

After thinking it over, Scott's death looks real. Here's why.

Why would Jean leave the school in such a manner(throwing Logan against a wall and blowing the doors off the infirmary) if Scott was just in a coma?

If Scott does wake from a coma, how the hell do you get him to the West Coast to meet up with his comrades and bring Jean back to the good side? And using Angel would not be good. Because this series has been based in a hyper reality, that would feel out of place.

[LastSunrise1981]

That is exactly why I don't believe Cyclops will die. Tonytr and Howlett put it perfectly and put it in words that I couldn't even write at the time. It's awesome to see others who have strong faith and see the bigger picture involving Cyclops.

It doesn't make sense to kill him off. Granted, the public thinks of Wolverine when they think of X-Men, however, when push comes to shove Cyclops is a popular character and is obviously very important to the X-Men story. I don't believe Cyclops dies because it would've been said by now. I don't care how many times a director/writer says "Go see the movie", "That would be a spoiler", or "Nothing is forever in the X-Men universe", if Cyclops did in fact die then rest assure it would've leaked and been confirmed by now.

This is the internet and things leak out.

You have some complainers who say "It follows the script exactly". Really? Maybe, but it's been reported that the script has gone through NUMEROUS changes, which details that nothing is set in stone.

The trailers? Don't make me laugh. The trailers haven't really shown anything of real valued importance in my opinion. We still have no idea what is going to happen in this film.

If he dies then I can accept it and will move on. I just don't see him dying to be perfectly honest with you.

[WorthyStevens]

After thinking it over, Scott's death looks real. Here's why.

Why would Jean leave the school in such a manner(throwing Logan against a wall and blowing the doors off the infirmary) if Scott was just in a coma?

If Scott does wake from a coma, how the hell do you get him to the West Coast to meet up with his comrades and bring Jean back to the good side? And using Angel would not be good. Because this series has been based in a hyper reality, that would feel out of place.

Well, we haven't seen what happens right after she blows the doors open and leaves the room. She could visit Scott's room, or whereever he's being kept at, sees how hurt he is and that she did that to him, and leaves.

Now, I'm not saying it WILL happen, but it's a possibility.

And I don't see how Angel couldn't take Scott to Alcatraz. I mean, his wings have the weight for it (they carry up to 500lbs in the movie). And c'mon, hyper reality? I understand what you're saying, but if a huge jet can come rising out a school's basketball court, then I think Angel flying Scott to the battle isn't out of the question.

[LastSunrise1981]

After thinking it over, Scott's death looks real. Here's why.

Why would Jean leave the school in such a manner(throwing Logan against a wall and blowing the doors off the infirmary) if Scott was just in a coma?

If Scott does wake from a coma, how the hell do you get him to the West Coast to meet up with his comrades and bring Jean back to the good side? And using Angel would not be good. Because this series has been based in a hyper reality, that would feel out of place.

Hyper reality? What's realistic about Angel? What's realistic about a giant blue Beast who is a scientist and a genius? What's realistic about the X-Men in general? Nothing.

What is realistic about someone turning into powerful metal? Nothing. Everything about this film is fantasy/science fiction.

[J.Howlett]

Well, by hyper reality, I meant that Singer based the films in a reality that we can accept the possibility that these things could happen...hence the reason why I think the action has been toned down a bit compared to the fantastical nature seen in the comics.

Now, if they establish that Angel's wings can that amount of weight (500lbs), then I'm good with Scott getting to the West Coast that way.

Still, I'm praying he makes it. Again, the set up in the first two films is just too good to pass up just because you have too many characters and you possibly feel betrayed that Marsden went DC and was in Superman Returns.

That's just stupid if that's Fox's reasons.

[WorthyStevens]

Well, by hyper reality, I meant that Singer based the films in a reality that we can accept the possibility that these things could happen...hence the reason why I think the action has been toned down a bit compared to the fantastical nature seen in the comics.

Now, if they establish that Angel's wings can that amount of weight (500lbs), then I'm good with Scott getting to the West Coast that way.

Still, I'm praying he makes it. Again, the set up in the first two films is just too good to pass up just because you have too many characters and you possibly feel betrayed that Marsden went DC and was in Superman Returns.

That's just stupid if that's Fox's reasons.

And not to mention they could have a hell of a great sequence at the end of the battle between Scott and Phoenix. Scott and Phoenix looking at eachother, at opposite sides of the battle.

[JokerNick]

And not to mention they could have a hell of a great sequence at the end of the battle between Scott and Phoenix. Scott and Phoenix looking at eachother, at opposite sides of the battle.

like x2, but bigger..... cyclops shooting his optic blast at her

[Mike059jig]

like endsong???cykes has to save jean will storm weakens her long enough for cyke to get through to her then they both die together....

[Eros]

just a movie, you guys take weird things in movies way to serously at times. cyke dies, anyone dies then so what? whats that gonna do for you, are you gonna lose your lives? Is the world gonna end? Its just a movie adapted form the comic books [equally unimportant]. Once you realize its pointless, just go see a movie and hopefully have fun...cause its all fake.

[tonytr1687]

just a movie, you guys take weird things in movies way to serously at times. cyke dies, anyone dies then so what? whats that gonna do for you, are you gonna lose your lives? Is the world gonna end? Its just a movie adapted form the comic books [equally unimportant]. Once you realize its pointless, just go see a movie and hopefully have fun...cause its all fake.

No, but his death would ruin the movie in some ways and to an extent hurt the franchise as a whole.

[LastSunrise1981]

just a movie, you guys take weird things in movies way to serously at times. cyke dies, anyone dies then so what? whats that gonna do for you, are you gonna lose your lives? Is the world gonna end? Its just a movie adapted form the comic books [equally unimportant]. Once you realize its pointless, just go see a movie and hopefully have fun...cause its all fake.

Typical newbie answer. Look, no one is going to die and the world will not end if Cyclops dies. However, some people will be very disappointed to see their favorite character die in such a fashion.

I, just like every fan on this board, we want a good movie and we want a movie that is very emotional, powerful, dark, and epic. And if those aspects include Cyclops dying then there's nothing we can do obviously. But we just want it done right and not be screwed over in the end.

This is nowhere near as bad as the Spider-Man forums when it came to the organic webshooters. ;)

[taintedFB]

The only way I could accept Scott dying is if its a heroic death at the end and if he and Jean die together.

I really believe that he'll survive. His role will be small, but we all know about Superman in Australia, so that couldn't be helped. I just hope his role in that justifies the amount of time they needed him down there.

But I think he WILL be back at the end and will have one last reunion with Jean before the end. And who knows he may have a lot to do BEFORE Alkali Lake too..

[The Batman]

Either way, logan will be jeans savior, and in the end, THAT's what pisses me off...

[LastSunrise1981]

Either way, logan will be jeans savior, and in the end, THAT's what pisses me off...

You don't know that for sure. :rolleyes:

[DarknessOfDeath]

... -sighs- Once again, that is not gonna happen. Whatever happens in the end, it'll sink into me and I'll get over it.

[CapBeerCino]

I don't believe Cyclops dies because it would've been said by now. I don't care how many times a director/writer says "Go see the movie", "That would be a spoiler", or "Nothing is forever in the X-Men universe", if Cyclops did in fact die then rest assure it would've leaked and been confirmed by now.


In that case no one dies cause no deaths has been confirmed?

[TromaFreak64]

I can not stand the messageboards at the my space site or the xverse...how are these peope so out of the loop on what happens in this film....I mean they can't even talk about the Cyclops death/live debate since they don't understand anything....gr

[Aiden]

The only confirmed death is Xavier

[LastSunrise1981]

In that case no one dies cause no deaths has been confirmed?

That could very well be the case too. I'm just saying none of us know what's going to happen in this film.

[CapBeerCino]

That could very well be the case too.

I wish. Why do they feel someone has to die at all? *sigh* (yeah yeah war movie, right.)

[taintedFB]

I also think Xavier is a goner. And rightfully so. He is more of an idea than a crucial character. And that idea lives on in the X-Men without him. Also he and Magneto's war has finally happened, so his arc is done.

Not so with Scott.

I think they may have considered killing Scott then ultiamtely changed it. Everyone is forgetting that even AICN never saw the final act. Maybe he was going to return from the very beginning. Fates aren't what they seem....

[aaron]

true, we never knew the third act

[Kanon]

true, we never knew the third act
Wich also proves how much the AICN draft changed: It didn't include the 3rd act, but included the Golden Gate scene, wich is now in the 3rd act. If such a big thing changed, why not a character's fate?

[CapBeerCino]

Wich also proves how much the AICN draft changed: It didn't include the 3rd act, but included the Golden Gate scene, wich is now in the 3rd act. If such a big thing changed, why not a character's fate?

Doesn't care for Cyclops?

[Kanon]

Doesn't care for Cyclops?
Well, I don't :p

[CapBeerCino]

Well, I don't :p

Then you come to the right thread! :up: :confused:

[wobbly]

One thing I hope we hear from Penn & Kinberg once this business is confirmed (one way or another) is just what these 'parameters' were that Fox gave them regarding Cyclops.

I'm curious to know as if they were told flat out to kill him (and kill him quick...) we cant really blame them, but if it is was a case of just shortening his role and it was their decision to kill him off then they will deserve every bit of anger thrown at them.

[Retroman]

Cap from 'Look up in The Sky' trailer....

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9519/docu0143oe.jpg
Source: http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=113&pos=22

[Bastila]

Cap from 'Look up in The Sky' trailer....

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9519/docu0143oe.jpg
Source: http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=113&pos=22

Fianlly we get to see James in Superman i was like where is he in the other new one.

Thanks for shareing it.

[CapBeerCino]

Cap from 'Look up in The Sky' trailer....

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9519/docu0143oe.jpg
Source: http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=113&pos=22

Thanks a million Retro! :)

(I still dont get his part in SR, and if the baby is Supe's I hope James character walks away in dignity...)

[Kurosawa]

Uh huh.

I'm puzzled, Kurosawa. You seem smarter than practically everyone - including me - gives you credit for, and you still continue in that erroneous line of thinking.

It's one thing to be negative, it's another to mercilessly deduct the outcome of the film months in advance before it comes out.

Wow. So some of us think Cyke dies. Good. That's the kind of arrogant reasoning that should never never be completely imbedded in preset expectation particularly closer to the release date, because I could and will say the opposite - that Cyke lives and you'd have to bite your words like a beaver simply because for the delight of upstaging your pure obsequiousness...!

Red herring eh? Don't forget Jean Grey's supposed demise... Hmmm...!

I'll be waiting.

As I've said many times, if I am actually wrong then I will be more than happy to eat crow.

Although either way, he'll have a terrible role in X3-ever worse than the horrid X2 role he had.

One thing these movies have done that I didn't think was possible is that even though I've hated Wolverine since the mid 80's, they've actually managed to make me hate Wolverine more than ever. And before the movies even started, he was my most hated character in all fiction.

Supposedly James' character in SR is such a good guy that Clark can't even dislike him. I think he'll be treated as decently as he could be under those circumstances. Plus he's Perry White's son.

[CapBeerCino]

Fianlly we get to see James in Superman i was like where is he in the other new one.

Thanks for shareing it.

:eek: Omg he has more sceen time in the SR trailer as LL lover than in x-3 as the team leader... :(

[Bastila]

:eek: Omg he has more sceen time in the SR trailer as LL lover than in x-3 as the team leader... :(


wow, thats bad really, but again i think they are just showing Cyke at the begining and leaving you or us guesses about his fate, but at least in Superman we know he lives.

[Compi716]

Supposedly James' character in SR is such a good guy that Clark can't even dislike him. I think he'll be treated as decently as he could be under those circumstances. Plus he's Perry White's son.
Yes, he plays Richard White, Lois' fiance. But good ol' Jimmy Olsen believes that Lois is still in love with "you know who."

[CapBeerCino]

Supposedly James' character in SR is such a good guy that Clark can't even dislike him. I think he'll be treated as decently as he could be under those circumstances. Plus he's Perry White's son.

Really? Cant wait! (At least Bryan is showing some love for Cyclops) :D

[The Original Bamfer]

Okay guys... this is about Cyclops...

[Retroman]

Fianlly we get to see James in Superman i was like where is he in the other new one.

Thanks for shareing it.
Thanks a million Retro! :)

(I still dont get his part in SR, and if the baby is Supe's I hope James character walks away in dignity...)
No problem.:)

[CapBeerCino]

Okay guys... this is about Cyclops...

Then that's why its called Official Cyclops/marsden Thread ;)

[Retroman]

Okay guys... this is about Cyclops...
I thought this was also the Marsden thread?:confused:

[eXperiment]

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5150/x3sb068wm6of.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Aiden]

That new pic of Scott is ultimate badass

[Bastila]

Cool poster is it real.

[eXperiment]

yep

[Compi716]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/X3SB_068wm.jpg
Uncanny! Astonishing!

[eXperiment]

Is that a repost. Cause I already posted it?

[CapBeerCino]

Uncanny! Astonishing!

Are you really jewish?

[The Original Bamfer]

Eh, it'd be nice to have a non-Xverse one... :rolleyes:

[mustanger405]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get it

[GambitXremy]

is that a real pick of cyke

[eXperiment]

yes and I posted it up at the top of the page

[The Original Bamfer]

Also, the GG Bridge is behind him...

[Aiden]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get itIt's not a poster

[eXperiment]

yeah it is, love that backround

[Compi716]

Are you really jewish?
Why would I lie about that?

[Retroman]

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5150/x3sb068wm6of.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Awesome find!:up:

I wish there wasn't any watermark though.

[eXperiment]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get it

And I beat him. look at the top of the page

[taintedFB]

Maybe because he does wear the uniform AND use his powers in the movie.

Don't forget that X3 started shooting late and Marsden I believe had a good month AFTER Superman wrapped to do more X3 scenes. Anyone have exact dates? I know X3 continued shooting AFTER SR wrapped. Also SR had a five week break in the fall! And Jimmy had been flying back and forth...for 2 scenes? I think not!

I think he'll be KEY in Jean's final scene. I scene we will never see in promos because Phoenix and giving away his return.

[eXperiment]

Awesome find!

I wish there wasn't any watermark though.

yeah, thats the only thing thats sux about the pic

[WorthyStevens]

Amazing poster. :D

[Aiden]

yeah it is, love that backroundNo, it's a manip made by FOX for promotional purposes

[Retroman]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get it
It's not a poster.
http://www.thexverse.com/news/0386.shtml

[ginny_weasley]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get it

I hate you Fox!! :(

[CapBeerCino]

Why would I lie about that?

To look cool? :)

[eXperiment]

No, it's a manip made by FOX for promotional purposes

Sorry

[WorthyStevens]

I was just gonna post that pic....u beat me to it :)
Thats an official poster released from fox. Why are they playing with our heads?
Showing Cyke in full uniform using his powers....I dont get it

Maybe because we may see him in full uniform using his powers...

[Retroman]

Maybe because he does wear the uniform AND use his powers in the movie.

Don't forget that X3 started shooting late and Marsden I believe had a good month AFTER Superman wrapped to do more X3 scenes. Anyone have exact dates? I know X3 continued shooting AFTER SR wrapped. Also SR had a five week break in the fall! And Jimmy had been flying back and forth...for 2 scenes? I think not!

I think he'll be KEY in Jean's final scene. I scene we will never see in promos because Phoenix and giving away his return.

I posted this not so long ago...

MARSDEN'S HECTIC SUPERHERO LIFE

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/superman_returns/_group_photos/brandon_routh1.jpghttp://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/x_men_3/james_marsden/xmen3_char.jpg


January 13, 2005
-James Marsden signs on to Superman Returns. He's playing Lois Lane's fiancé and father(?) of her child, Richard White.

March, 2005
-Marsden starts filming Superman Returns(SR) in Sydney, Australia.

March 19, 2005
-Avi Arad told the audience at Wizard World that he hopes to have James Marsden reprise his role as Cyclops in the next installment of the mutant series. Arad says that James Marsden called him and said that he read about this on the internet and said, "what are you doing...I told you I'm in."

March 22, 2005
-Matthew Vaughn announced as the new X-Men 3 director.

April 8, 2005
-Writer Kinberg (working with Vaughn on screenplay at the time) tells Moviehole:''I believe he is now (returning). The way I've written his character now. I'm trying to write him so he only has to come back for a couple of weeks. But he's definitely a part of the movie."

May 11, 2005
-Marsden offers to do X-Men 3 for free.

May 31, 2005
-Vaughn leaves X-Men 3.

June, 2005
-Marsden gets month and half break from SR schedule. Promotes Heights in the USA and spends time with 7 month pregnant wife and family.Meets old friend and co-star Famke Janssen at Heights after-party.

June 6, 2005
-Brett Ratner announced as new X-Men 3 director.

July, 2005
-Marsden returns to Sydney, Australia for SR shoot.

July, 2005
Production illustrator and storyboard artist Federico D'Alessandro posts a storyboard of a fight between Cyclops and Juggernaut. Speculation is that this scene was cut before production started.

August, 2005
-X-Men 3 begins principal photgraphy at the Royal Roads (Xavier's School) in Victoria, Canada. No sign of Marsden on the set.

August 10, 2005
-Marsden and his wife Lisa Linde, 33, welcome their second child. A daughter named Mary James. They also have a 4 year old son, Jack.

September 9, 2005
-SR goes on hiatus. Cast and crew leave Sydney for a well deserved break.Marsden heads to Vancouver for X-Men 3.

September 7 - 19, 2005
Exterior shoot for one of Marsden's scenes takes place between the Revelstoke and Mica Dam in British Columbia, Canada.It can be seen in the trailer.
Pics of set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaftigvegan/42018516/in/set-921188/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaftigvegan/42020573/in/set-921188/

October 19, 2005
-Marsden signs on to voice the animated movie Conan: Red Nails.

October 20, 2005
-Producer Ralph Winter tells TheXverse that ''We have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure.''

Mid/Late October, 2005
-SR filming resumes in Sydney, Australia. Cast and crew return including Marsden.

November 7, 2005
-Signs on to the all star (and i mean all-star) ensemble cast of 'Bobby'.

November 24, 2005
-SR principal photography ends in Sydney, Australia. Marsden jets back to North America.

December 7, 2005
-Marsden signs on to big-budget family film 'Enchanted'.

December, 2005
-Spotted in Los Angeles with other celebrities by newspaper.

Late December,2005/Early January, 2006
-Principal Photography ends for X-Men 3. Some sets remain intact for pick-ups, re-shoot and possible additional shooting March, 2006 in Vancouver and possibly Fox Studios in L.A.

January, 2006
-Bobby photography ends in Los Angeles. Marsden name appears on press release quashing rumors he'd bailed on the project.

February, 2006
-Visual effects supervisor John Bruno says he wants to make a little more realistic/more visceral looking optic blast for Cyclops.
-Writers Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn profess their love for the character Cyclops and say the would like to have James Marsden presence back on the set.
-Empire Magazine publish a first photo of Marsden in full X battle costume.


March, 2006
Marsden will possibly return to the Vancouver set for additional shooting.

April, 2006
-Marsden to start work on Enchanted in New York.

May, 2006
-Worldwide Release of X3 and press tour duties?

June, 2006
-Worldwide release of SR and press tour duties.



Sources: About.com, Newsweek, Coming Soon, Flickr, Superherohype, TheXverse, IESB, XMF, imdb and more

[eXperiment]

Awesome post!!!!!!

[GambitXremy]

omgi'm going to jizz in my pants that posteris ****ing amazing

[WorthyStevens]

April 8, 2005
-Writer Kinberg (working with Vaughn on screenplay at the time) tells Moviehole:''I believe he is now (returning). The way I've written his character now. I'm trying to write him so he only has to come back for a couple of weeks. But he's definitely a part of the movie."

July, 2005
Production illustrator and storyboard artist Federico D'Alessandro posts a storyboard of a fight between Cyclops and Juggernaut. Speculation is that this scene was cut before production started.

September 9, 2005
-SR goes on hiatus. Cast and crew leave Sydney for a well deserved break.Marsden heads to Vancouver for X-Men 3.

October 20, 2005
-Producer Ralph Winter tells TheXverse that ''We have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure.''

February, 2006
-Visual effects supervisor John Bruno says he wants to make a little more realistic/more visceral looking optic blast for Cyclops.
-Writers Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn profess their love for the character Cyclops and say the would like to have James Marsden presence back on the set.
-Empire Magazine publish a first photo of Marsden in full X battle costume.

March, 2006
Marsden will possibly return to the Vancouver set for additional shooting.

My favorites quotes.

Thanks Retro! :up:

[eXperiment]

omgi'm going to jizz in my pants that posteris ****ing amazing

lol
*calms GambitXremy down*

[The Batman]

You don't know that for sure. :rolleyes:


And you do?

[GambitXremy]

i'm sorry my penis just got reallybig sorry

[WorthyStevens]

And you do?

Nobody does. Let's leave it at that. ;)

[eXperiment]

i'm sorry my penis just got reallybig sorry

EW!!!!!!!!!

[ginny_weasley]

March, 2006
Marsden will possibly return to the Vancouver set for additional shooting.


^^^Do you know what the details are on this? Did he actually return for additional shooting? Who suggested he might?

[CapBeerCino]

i'm sorry my penis just got reallybig sorry


Keep that to yourself :mad:

[The Batman]

Nobody does. Let's leave it at that. ;)


C'Mon...you know my thoguht is more realistic...This movie is in the hands of the studio this time, not singer and desanto. The writers are deemingly puppets for Fox's desires. They've already focused more on jean and logan in the films...and then there's the junior novel. You think they wouldnt make logan jeans savior in the film?

[JokerNick]

^^^Do you know what the details are on this? Did he actually return for additional shooting? Who suggested he might?

it was an additional shot, so now instead of Jean killing him, she REALY kills him good

[taintedFB]

So from that we can see he had plenty of time to shoot more scenes. From November 24th through December. I believe Bobby didn't even start photography til January and his role was not that big...

PLus:

October 20, 2005
-Producer Ralph Winter tells TheXverse that ''We have photographed most of his work. Jimmy is a key cast member of this adventure.''

Meaning he was returning for MORE! We know they shot at the mansion earlier in the shoot...

August, 2005
-X-Men 3 begins principal photgraphy at the Royal Roads (Xavier's School) in Victoria, Canada. No sign of Marsden on the set.*

* could have shot his scene breifly, could have shot interior on a soundstage and not needed for actual location/exterior shots.

And the Alkali Lake scene was in September...

September 7 - 19, 2005
Exterior shoot for one of Marsden's scenes takes place between the Revelstoke and Mica Dam in British Columbia, Canada.

He definitely has MORE SCENES than we've seen. And considering how cold it was in that MSN behind the scenes clip during the final alcatraz battle, its not hard to imagine that Jimmy would have come back for that scene...

[CapBeerCino]

You think they wouldnt make logan jeans savior in the film?

And if Cyclops live? How would he fit into that storyline? ("gee, thanx Logan"?)

[The Batman]

And if Cyclops live? How would he fit into that storyline? ("gee, thanx Logan"?)


I'm hoping theres a scene between logan and scott where logan realizes he cant save jean, and only scott can.

[Retroman]

Awesome post!!!!!!
My favorites quotes.

Thanks Retro! :up:
Your welcome.:)

I just did a little checking and realized something that might possibly give hope for some Cyke action. In November signed for a ensemble film called 'Bobby' however according to a poster on the imdb forums James had to bail because of unknown scheduling conflicts at the time. Superman had already wrapped by then.

Later Marsden's name appeared on the production company's press release with a ton of other names. It, now, appears that this could possibly have been a misprint because his name is missing from the Distributors site and imdb.
http://www.arclightfilms.com/labels/arclight/new_films/bobby.php#cast
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0308055/

Now i'm not saying that Marsden left 'Bobby' because of X3 but what else could it have been?

[CapBeerCino]

I'm hoping theres a scene between logan and scott where logan realizes he cant save jean, and only scott can.

That could actually compensate him not being in most of the film.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I'm hoping theres a scene between logan and scott where logan realizes he cant save jean, and only scott can.
Yes, that would be soooo cool! It would definately make my day.

[invincible mann]

i am going in with low expectations
that might lead to surprises

[GambitXremy]

me to logan and scott have alway been my ancor in x-men

[ginny_weasley]

When was the AICN leak? June 2005? or was it as far back as 2004?

[CapBeerCino]

i am going in with low expectations
that might lead to surprises

What was the common advice regarding Mi3?

[Retroman]

^^^Do you know what the details are on this? Did he actually return for additional shooting? Who suggested he might?
Stanford, Ashmore, Vinnie Jones, Omahyra, Halle, Jackman and many others have confirmed or been spotted in Vancouver (or London) for the extra shoot.Marsden whereabouts remained a mystery.

[ginny_weasley]

Stanford, Ashmore, Vinnie Jones, Omahyra, Halle, Jackman and many others have confirmed or been spotted in Vancouver (or London) for the extra shoot.Marsden whereabouts remained a mystery.

gotcha, thanks :)

[Compi716]

To look cool? :)
Hahaha! No lies here. I'm 100% Jew, and proud to be one of the few here at SuperHeroHype!

[CapBeerCino]

Hahaha! No lies here. I'm 100% Jew, and proud to be one of the few here at SuperHeroHype!

Isn't "bored" one?

[eXperiment]

Isn't "bored" one?

I think so.

[Compi716]

Stanford, Ashmore, Vinnie Jones, Omahyra, Halle, Jackman and many others have confirmed or been spotted in Vancouver (or London) for the extra shoot.Marsden whereabouts remained a mystery.
Doesn't anybody know him or live in his neighborhood? Can't somebody just ask him, "Hey Jimmy, did you film any scenes where you wear your X-uniform and visor?" Then he'll either say, "Yes" or "No." It's quite simple, really.

[Compi716]

Isn't "bored" one?
So I'm not alone after all...

[The Batman]

*Scott gets dropped to the ground by angel into the ensuing chaos that is the final battle:

Storm: Scott!!! You're alive!

Beast: My Stars and Garters. It seems reports of your death are greatly exaggerated.

Cyclops: Thanks, Hank. But, we have no time for talk. We gotta end this, and we gotta end this now.

*Scott sees Jean atop the hill, looking at the chaos*

Cyclops(Whispering): Jean.....

Wolverine: We've done all we can....we havent been able to bring her back.

Cyclops: Maybe I can. Me and Jean....we've loved each other since....

*Logan nods solemly at Scott, realizing that he never had the bond with jean that scott had*

Cyclops: Warren, Hank, Bobby....Cover me. If we cant bring Jean back...you know what must be done...

[eXperiment]

So I'm not alone after all...

nope

[Retroman]

gotcha, thanks :)
Welcome.

[CapBeerCino]

So I'm not alone after all...

Are you crying about the "Manhattan jungle" try living in the "Israeli swamp" :p

[CapBeerCino]

Cyclops: Warren, Hank, Bobby....Cover me. If we cant bring Jean back...you know what must be done...

*faints*

[Retroman]

I made this wallpaper using the new promo shot from Brett Ratner's official site.

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/8848/cyclopsx36mn.jpg

[eXperiment]

I made this wallpaper using the new promo shot from Brett Ratner's official site.

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/8848/cyclopsx36mn.jpg

fantastic job!!!!!!!!

[Compi716]

Are you crying about the "Manhattan jungle" try living in the "Israeli swamp" :p
Oh, ha ha. Israel is far from a swamp, Cap.

















:p

[Retroman]

fantastic job!!!!!!!!
Thanks!

[CapBeerCino]

Oh, ha ha. Israel is far from a swamp, Cap.



:p

Been there?

[eXperiment]

no problem Retro

[ginny_weasley]

*Scott gets dropped to the ground by angel into the ensuing chaos that is the final battle:

Storm: Scott!!! You're alive!

Beast: My Stars and Garters. It seems reports of your death are greatly exaggerated.

Cyclops: Thanks, Hank. But, we have no time for talk. We gotta end this, and we gotta end this now.

*Scott sees Jean atop the hill, looking at the chaos*

Cyclops(Whispering): Jean.....

Wolverine: We've done all we can....we havent been able to bring her back.

Cyclops: Maybe I can. Me and Jean....we've loved each other since....

*Logan nods solemly at Scott, realizing that he never had the bond with jean that scott had*

Cyclops: Warren, Hank, Bobby....Cover me. If we cant bring Jean back...you know what must be done...

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I don't care what happens on the big screen - that is how the final battle is going down in my mind.

[mustanger405]

Soooo whats going on with Stevie nicks finding out about that novel....Doesnt he know someone. Maybee he should get on that? Before I lose my mind :)

[PhePhe112]

Retro- That wallpaper is AWESOME! I wish I had a huge printer...I'd hang it in my room! :)

[CapBeerCino]

Retro- That wallpaper is AWESOME! I wish I had a huge printer...I'd hang it in my room! :)

Or a really huge printer - I'd use it as a carpet...

[mustanger405]

Ok two other things also guys....Lets all get to the local barnes n noble today because almost evry book besides the novellization have been released today. I know the junior novel is bad news but we havent looked at all the other books maybee they will have the answers.

Also the two new pics of Cyke this new one from Xverse and the one on Bratners page really piss me off if he doesnt come back sine he is in such a battle stance and it looks straight out of the final battle he looks unshaven and sweaty...it just seems too wrong to decieve the fans like this.

[Maze]

Also the two new pics of Cyke this new one from Xverse and the one on Bratners page really piss me off if he doesnt come back sine he is in such a battle stance and it looks straight out of the final battle he looks unshaven and sweaty...it just seems too wrong to decieve the fans like this.

It is indeed.

If they kill him ,after that ,fans will stop at nothing to get their "heads" and it will be deserved.

[PhePhe112]

LOL, Cap. :up:

[wobbly]

Soooo whats going on with Stevie nicks finding out about that novel....Doesnt he know someone. Maybee he should get on that? Before I lose my mind :)

The adult novel won't settle the issue, though I'm sure if it does states he lives many here will hold this up as evidence all will be well for Cyke in the movie (and if that too says he dies it will probably be as dismissed as the junior novel has been).

Bottom line, only the movie itself will convince for sure (or reliable word from someone who sees it before it's general release...I believe someone accociated with SHH is going to a screening this thursday?)

[Endeavor]

*coughangelcough*

:p

But seriously, I came up with a theory which also explains how Angel could get an X-suit without having been at the X-mansion long.

Scott's kept unconscious at the mansion, wakes up, and finds Angel. Scott asks Warren as to what's going on, and Warren explains everything (or Scott sees what's going on on TV). Scott then has no choice but to use Angel as transportation (since his bike is still at Alkali Lake), and again has no choice but to give Angel an X-suit for protection.

Ok, no. Since I was making my observations on the lack of logic in the "excerpt" where Cyclops washes up at Alkili Lake and is then called on by Prof X to go help the X-Men then Angel still doesn't help in that scenario becase 1. He would have to fly to Alkili Lake to pick Cyclops up (since in that description the Prof got to realise Scott was around after he came to) and 2 he would still take too long to get to the battle in Alcatraz. Fast as Angel may be he's no Flash, he's not even Quicksilver fast, he can't fly from one coast to another in 30 minutes or less.
This discounts Cyclops being unconcious at the Mansion and Angel taking him there as well. Prof X's mansion is in New York state, the final battle is in San Francisco.
'Nuff Said

[Retroman]

Retro- That wallpaper is AWESOME! I wish I had a huge printer...I'd hang it in my room! :)
Glad you like it thanks.:)

[taintedFB]

Just read the article in Creative Screenwriting about X3 and it made me feel better. They talked about the AICN thing and that they made changes after Vaugn left. Wasn;t it called the 6 day draft on AICN? It was Vaugn's because he told CHUD they wrote it in 6 days. and I think it was Vaughn that wanted to kill Scott.

One quote that stuck out was "Matthew came in with a whole bunch of specific ideas...some of which we told him to his face 'if you do that the fans are literally going to find you and put you on a spit and roast you."

I think that quote could very well be about his plan to kill Scott by accident at the lake. They kept talking about referring to the previous movies and I think they clearly set up Scott taking over after Xavier.




"it was not the script that we ultimately wrote"

[J.Howlett]

Now, that sounds promising. Interesting observations...

[ginny_weasley]

hmmm, any scans of that article?

[PhePhe112]

Oh THANK YOU taintedFB for posting that.

::relaxes until something pops up hinting to cyke dying, again::

[CapBeerCino]

Just read the article in Creative Screenwriting about X3 and it made me feel better. They talked about the AICN thing and that they made changes after Vaugn left. Wasn;t it called the 6 day draft on AICN? It was Vaugn's because he told CHUD they wrote it in 6 days. and I think it was Vaughn that wanted to kill Scott.

One quote that stuck out was "Matthew came in with a whole bunch of specific ideas...some of which we told him to his face 'if you do that the fans are literally going to find you and put you on a spit and roast you."

I think that quote could very well be about his plan to kill Scott by accident at the lake. They kept talking about referring to the previous movies and I think they clearly set up Scott taking over after Xavier.




"it was not the script that we ultimately wrote"

If the aicn script wasn't hitting every trailer right so far I'd be relieved...

[Storm22]

Just read the article in Creative Screenwriting about X3 and it made me feel better. They talked about the AICN thing and that they made changes after Vaugn left. Wasn;t it called the 6 day draft on AICN? It was Vaugn's because he told CHUD they wrote it in 6 days. and I think it was Vaughn that wanted to kill Scott.

One quote that stuck out was "Matthew came in with a whole bunch of specific ideas...some of which we told him to his face 'if you do that the fans are literally going to find you and put you on a spit and roast you."

I think that quote could very well be about his plan to kill Scott by accident at the lake. They kept talking about referring to the previous movies and I think they clearly set up Scott taking over after Xavier.




"it was not the script that we ultimately wrote"

Hmmmm, interesting! I wouldn't mind seeing the article either.

[taintedFB]

It may have still served as somewhat of a framework. I mean they didn't start from scatch after that. But I think enough has changed to make us feel confident in Scott's survival.

Notice that there isn't a huge uproar over potentially killing Xavier, Magneto or even Jean. Because those make sense and I think the writers and producers know that.

And honestly, all these new images of Scott in uniform... I think Fox was hiding his survival until they felt it would jeopardize opening weekend and decided to slowly assure us that we will ALL love this movie... Just wait...

I can't host anything on my website anymore...do you know where I could host it if I could scan it at work?

Otherwise stop by your local newsstand. It's Creative Screenwriting with Tom Hanks on the cover. Volume 13, #3. Article starts on p. 66.

[ginny_weasley]

If the aicn script wasn't hitting every trailer right so far I'd be relieved...

ya know though....I'm not putting too much stock in matching up the trailer scenes with the AICN script...If I were Fox and knew Cyke wasn't going to die, I'd play that leak for all it was worth and make sure the trailers did the same. Fox would be crazy to let something slip in a trailer that massively contradicted the AICN report.

I'm more worried about the Junior novel at this point - that's the biggest nail in Cyke's coffin IMHO. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[DarknessOfDeath]

I LOVE YOU ALL!!! I LOVE... ALL THE CAST MEMBERS!! :o :O this made my day. :O

[Storm22]

What else would make fans furious though? Rogue/Mystique bring cured? That's all I can think of really. That must have been referring to Cyclops.

[Spidey 2007]

Just read the article in Creative Screenwriting about X3 and it made me feel better. They talked about the AICN thing and that they made changes after Vaugn left. Wasn;t it called the 6 day draft on AICN? It was Vaugn's because he told CHUD they wrote it in 6 days. and I think it was Vaughn that wanted to kill Scott.

One quote that stuck out was "Matthew came in with a whole bunch of specific ideas...some of which we told him to his face 'if you do that the fans are literally going to find you and put you on a spit and roast you."

I think that quote could very well be about his plan to kill Scott by accident at the lake. They kept talking about referring to the previous movies and I think they clearly set up Scott taking over after Xavier.


"it was not the script that we ultimately wrote"



yes yes YES!!!


after reading this, here is my stance......

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4138/cyclopsdebacle7sh.jpg

[CapBeerCino]

I'm more worried about the Junior novel at this point - that's the biggest nail in Cyke's coffin IMHO. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

If he really die and not wearing the visor once I'll be so high and dry... I think I'll sit till the end of the cerdits waiting for him to show up :( (That would make two of us Worthy)...

[SCOTT&JEAN]

^Nice

[SCOTT&JEAN]

If he really die and not wearing the visor once I'll be so high and dry... I think I'll sit till the end of the cerdits waiting for him to show up :( (That would make two of us Worthy)...
Three. Count me in too.

[ginny_weasley]

I can't host anything on my website anymore...do you know where I could host it if I could scan it at work?

photobucket.com

or send 'em to me - i'll post 'em on photobuck - I can pm you my email.

[Endeavor]

Eh, it'd be nice to have a non-Xverse one... :rolleyes:

That's from a pres junket, it's not an X-verse manip

[Retroman]

Just read the article in Creative Screenwriting about X3 and it made me feel better. They talked about the AICN thing and that they made changes after Vaugn left. Wasn;t it called the 6 day draft on AICN? It was Vaugn's because he told CHUD they wrote it in 6 days. and I think it was Vaughn that wanted to kill Scott.

One quote that stuck out was "Matthew came in with a whole bunch of specific ideas...some of which we told him to his face 'if you do that the fans are literally going to find you and put you on a spit and roast you."

I think that quote could very well be about his plan to kill Scott by accident at the lake. They kept talking about referring to the previous movies and I think they clearly set up Scott taking over after Xavier.




"it was not the script that we ultimately wrote"
Thanks.:up: The trailers still prove that they kept lots of the stuff from the Vaughn days though.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

photobucket.com

or send 'em to me - i'll post 'em on photobuck - I can pm you my email.
Or imageshack.us

[wobbly]

ya know though....I'm not putting too much stock in matching up the trailer scenes with the AICN script...If I were Fox and knew Cyke wasn't going to die, I'd play that leak for all it was worth and make sure the trailers did the same. Fox would be crazy to let something slip in a trailer that massively contradicted the AICN report.

I'm more worried about the Junior novel at this point - that's the biggest nail in Cyke's coffin IMHO. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: the AICN script leak. I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me at all. That script was savaged by AICN and has been lambasted by fans all over the place. I can't see how anyone in marketing would think it a good idea to deliberately promote this film so that script might even look accurate. If anything they would go out of their way to try and show this film is nothing like that script, not the other way around.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Thanks.:up: The trailers still prove that they kept lots of the stuff from the Vaughn days though.
Or they just want us to think they did.

[Aiden]

Great news

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Re: the AICN script leak. I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me at all. That script was savaged by AICN and has been lambasted by fans all over the place. I can't see how anyone in marketing would think it a good idea to deliberately promote this film so that script might even look accurate. If anything they would go out of their way to try and show this film is nothing like that script, not the other way around.
Exactly

[Compi716]

Been there?
Yeah. Going back this summer, too.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Great news
Yes. This day has been very encouraging so far.

[PhePhe112]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CapBeerCino
If he really die and not wearing the visor once I'll be so high and dry... I think I'll sit till the end of the cerdits waiting for him to show up :( (That would make two of us Worthy)...


Three. Count me in too.

me too....that's 4!!!!

[ginny_weasley]

Re: the AICN script leak. I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me at all. That script was savaged by AICN and has been lambasted by fans all over the place. I can't see how anyone in marketing would think it a good idea to deliberately promote this film so that script might even look accurate. If anything they would go out of their way to try and show this film is nothing like that script, not the other way around.

That's a good point. :up:

But I could still see Fox going for it in order to generate buzz and attention among the fans. Come the midnight release, his fate's going to be known in any event - so anyone avoiding X3 on grounds of Cyke's death would still find out and go running en masse to their local theater.

[CapBeerCino]

Re: the AICN script leak. I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me at all. That script was savaged by AICN and has been lambasted by fans all over the place. I can't see how anyone in marketing would think it a good idea to deliberately promote this film so that script might even look accurate. If anything they would go out of their way to try and show this film is nothing like that script, not the other way around.

That would be the reasonable thing to do, but there is nothing to indicate fox doing so.

[Retroman]

Or they just want us to think they did.
Hope so.

[Storm22]

If he really die and not wearing the visor once I'll be so high and dry... I think I'll sit till the end of the cerdits waiting for him to show up :( (That would make two of us Worthy)...

I'd be shocked if he dies and didn't wear his uniform or visor at all, it really wouldn't make sense!

[adarling]

other thing is guys, why would they bother to make him an entirely new costume. I watched X-Men 2 the other night to see if it was the same costume and his costume there was all black. this one for the third one has some blue in it. I have been keeping tabs on this thread for months and i don't think they are going to kill him. If they do then i will ask for my money back and leave. I have grown up with X-Men my entire life and will not sit through something that destroys my memory of it. I can accept Xavier but i cannot accept Cyclops being killed. He is one of the coolest characters, leadership qualities and an uncontrollable power, which we haven't even seen released at his most powerful yet. Everyone makes him sound like he is lame but there is something pretty awesome about him that has kept him as a main character in X-Men since the beginning....cept for the time when Apocalypse and him were fused together after the twelve...weird...

[Storm22]

other thing is guys, why would they bother to make him an entirely new costume. I watched X-Men 2 the other night to see if it was the same costume and his costume there was all black. this one for the third one has some blue in it.

he had dark blue in his X2 uniform too.

[CapBeerCino]

he had dark blue in his X2 uniform too.

And even so, another set of uniforms isn't that far fetched...

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I'd be shocked if he dies and didn't wear his uniform or visor at all, it really wouldn't make sense!
I agree. I mean why would they bother to take promo shots of him wearing his uniform if he doesn't get to wear it in the film? In the past everyone who was in uniform in the promos wore the uniform even for a few seconds

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Hope so.
Me too.

[ginny_weasley]

As hopeful as this article makes me.....

...I can't help but see a flipside to the coin here. If Vaughn's "bad idea" was to kill Cyke, and it was soooo obviously terrible and was changed, why did it make it all the way to the kiddie novel? I mean, sure, the novel could have already been in the works - but we are talking about a kid's novel here, and an idea so terrible the rest of the team had a coronary as a result - you'd think Cyke's death wouldn't make it into the final copy of the junior novel.

Just my pessimistic 2 cents. *ducks*

[taintedFB]

Okay, I scanned the article and have it as a pdf. If anyone wants to PM me an email address to send it to. I can email the file and they can host and post it.

[CapBeerCino]

Just my pessimistic 2 cents. *ducks*

*Add those to my pessimistic piggy bank*

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Okay, I scanned the article and have it as a pdf. If anyone wants to PM me an email address to send it to. I can email the file and they can host and post it.
How big is it?

I think I can do it, but my internet connection is really slow.

[Spidey 2007]

other thing is guys, why would they bother to make him an entirely new costume. I watched X-Men 2 the other night to see if it was the same costume and his costume there was all black. this one for the third one has some blue in it. I have been keeping tabs on this thread for months and i don't think they are going to kill him. If they do then i will ask for my money back and leave. I have grown up with X-Men my entire life and will not sit through something that destroys my memory of it. I can accept Xavier but i cannot accept Cyclops being killed. He is one of the coolest characters, leadership qualities and an uncontrollable power, which we haven't even seen released at his most powerful yet. Everyone makes him sound like he is lame but there is something pretty awesome about him that has kept him as a main character in X-Men since the beginning....cept for the time when Apocalypse and him were fused together after the twelve...weird...


in X2 he has dark blue an silver piping lined together, thats why its not noticable, and his belt buckle is blue as well. look closely fella's

X3 looks to be the exact same minues the silver, I havnt seen any hint of silver yet in the piping.

only thing thats really been changed is the SLIGHT change in his visor color, which is barely noticable.

[ginny_weasley]

Page 1....more on the way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/article.jpg

[wobbly]

Quick question...For a film that has likely spent a few hundred thousand dollars just keeping the stars in hot coffee for it's production, how much extra would furnishing Marsden in a new suit and visor (if they are new) for promo shots cost them?

Also, I disagree with this 'everyone promo'd in a suit has worn one in the film' thinking. Yes that is true, but Cyke has worn one in the films before (unlike Rogue & Bobby prior to X2) so it'd be expected for any promo of him now to do so again (especially if suited promo photos are the only tangible means of trying to hide his impending death...they certainly dont seem to have anything from the film itself that might fool us).

[ginny_weasley]

2 and 3....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/30121164.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/8e42d2ed.jpg

[Retroman]

Well if FOX are tricking us then they're certainly doing their best.

Art from 'Meet The X-Men' and X-Men: The Last Stand: Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1715/beast5ta.jpg

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8792/coloringx39se.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7281/coloringpage2dz.jpg
Source: http://www.harpercollins.com/global_scripts/product_catalog/book_xml.asp?isbn=0060822104
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060822104/qid=1146919391/sr=1-35/ref=sr_1_35/002-0180092-5804030?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
http://stevenegordon.blogspot.com/

[taintedFB]

I think the visor is the same.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00098/x19_98605a.jpghttp://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/x2__x_men_united/x2posterbig.jpghttp://www.brettratner.com/content/films/xmen/gallery/cyclops1.jpg
Its just the lighting... and tint/color saturation of the picture...

[Retroman]

Page 1....more on the way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/article.jpg
Thanks Ginny.

[CapBeerCino]

^ Grrrrrrrrrr :mad:

[ginny_weasley]

4 and 5...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/65594d3e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/c8389322.jpg

All thanks go to TaintedFB

[TromaFreak64]

Quick question...For a film that has likely spent a few hundred thousand dollars just keeping the stars in hot coffee for it's production, how much extra would furnishing Marsden in a new suit and visor (if they are new) for promo shots cost them?

Also, I disagree with this 'everyone promo'd in a suit has worn one in the film' thinking. Yes that is true, but Cyke has worn one in the films before (unlike Rogue & Bobby prior to X2) so it'd be expected for any promo of him now to do so again (especially if suited promo photos are the only tangible means of trying to hide his impending death...they certainly dont seem to have anything from the film itself that might fool us).

To answer the first part of your question the suits cost a little over 6,000 each with Cyclops visor coming in close ot 3,000....his suit and costume were auctioned and donated after X2. No much was left following X2 except some minor sets and so forth as Fox liquidated most of the resources or reused them according to their finacial reports from the last 3 years. You can learn a lot by having stock in company and actually looking at those things.

[taintedFB]

Thanks for posting them Ginny.

Its a good article guys... Read it.

I'm sure hardly anything is recycled from movie to movie. If the X2 uniform and visor were auctioned then they are new, but Penn said they didn;t change the design and I think its obvious.

[Retroman]

I think the visor is the same.
I agree. I think the visor hasn't been altered. There wasn't anything wrong with it in the first place.

[wobbly]

To answer the first part of your question the suits cost a little over 6,000 each with Cyclops visor coming in close ot 3,000....his suit and costume were auctioned and donated after X2. No much was left following X2 except some minor sets and so forth as Fox liquidated most of the resources or reused them according to their finacial reports from the last 3 years. You can learn a lot by having stock in company and actually looking at those things.

Thanks, so that's $9000 then. With a marketing budget of millions that's very small potatoes.

[X-Maniac]

To answer the first part of your question the suits cost a little over 6,000 each with Cyclops visor coming in close ot 3,000....his suit and costume were auctioned and donated after X2. No much was left following X2 except some minor sets and so forth as Fox liquidated most of the resources or reused them according to their finacial reports from the last 3 years. You can learn a lot by having stock in company and actually looking at those things.

Can I pick up on this point? Is it usual for all the suits and props to be auctioned off after a movie like this? Obviously, they weren't envisaging a third movie at all, it seems...

What I'd give for one of those leather X-suits...it'd be great for motorcycle riding, and even just posing around town!!!

[taintedFB]

But pointless for a handful of photos... They do not fashion new costumes/ wardrobe for promo shoots...trust me on this...

What they wear on set is often what they wear to the shoot. Promo dept. doesn't do their own costumes.

[ginny_weasley]

Thanks for posting them Ginny.

Its a good article guys... Read it.

Thank you for giving it to us! :up:

Now, I have to go back and read it, lol.

[wobbly]

But pointless for a handful of photos... They do not fashion new costumes/ wardrobe for promo shoots...trust me on this...

What they wear on set is often what they wear to the shoot. Promo dept. doesn't do their own costumes.

On the first part...do you know that for sure? If you have some inside info/experience to explain that position I will concede the point.

On the second, I can see how they might when we are talking about a franchise that has toys and all manner of other merchandise based on the characters to sell, but like I said if you have info to the contrary I can accept that.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Thank you for giving it to us! :up:

Now, I have to go back and read it, lol.
So do I.

Thanks guys for giving that to us.

[The Batman]

*faints*

Did anyone else like what i wrote? Feedback's always appreciated....

[taintedFB]

On the first part...do you know that for sure? If you have some inside info/experience to explain that position that I will concede the point.

On the second, I can see how they might when we are talking about a franchise that has toys and all manner of other merchandise based on the characters to sell, but like I said if you have info to the contrary I can accept that.

I've worked for two TV shows for 20th Century Fox. When our cast did photoshoots, it was the show's costumers that dressed them and they were clothes that were worn on the series...

For TV anyway, shoots are usually a photographer and PR/Publicity exec showing up on set after we've shot scenes or rehearsed and take pictures of the cast. It's the show's make-up/ hair/ costumers... Im sure there are exceptions...but I feel this is the norm. Especially if its from the studio. magazine spreads are probably different.

[PhePhe112]

I liked it Batman! LOL (that was funny reading that out loud)

If only the movie would be like that. *sigh*

[DarknessOfDeath]

I liked the last bit of the article... It Made me Cry :( Waa "How can we make the Dark Phoenix story break your heart?"

Now I feel more emotional for Jean/Phoenix and for Famke too. :( -sniffles-

[taintedFB]

I think the best way to really make Jean's final scene have an impact is to have Scott there.

[TromaFreak64]

Thanks, so that's $9000 then. With a marketing budget of millions that's very small potatoes.

Well most of the marketing budget will go to the actual marketing....the budget it expected to be about 10 million more than X2's marketing budget so...make what you will of that but 9000 for a single uniform does take a nice cut into that considering that most of it is set aside for TV ads that don't come cheap....along with billboards, etc. Not the actual photo shoots.

[PhePhe112]

I think the best way to really make Jean's final scene have an impact is to have Scott there.

Yeah! If scotts not there and wolvie is I'll spit my drink out from shock then be like "WTF??!??!!!!!" and I won't go see it 80 more times lol.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I think the best way to really make Jean's final scene have an impact is to have Scott there.
Agreed

[taintedFB]

True. And actually there don't seem to be alot of photoshoots. 2 or three at the most. All the images, posters, and billboards seem to be from the same few shoots.

[gap5ewl]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/elwoodc/X3SB_068wm.jpg
how awesome is this pic of cyke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i think they over did the optic blast effect though..

[fallenAngel]

That was a good article. I'm not sure if it makes me more nervous or less nervous. One thing is for sure, I really don't trust Zak Penn, after watching "Incident at Loch ness". Any one else who has seen the movie will understand what I'm talking about.

[The Batman]

I liked the last bit of the article... It Made me Cry :( Waa "How can we make the Dark Phoenix story break your heart?"

Now I feel more emotional for Jean/Phoenix and for Famke too. :( -sniffles-


I know how you can make the dark phoenix story break your heart....

put in a guy who's not the love of jeans life and make him her savior.....

The article's sort of made me feel better. As long as Logan dosent take Cyke's role, and gets to kill and kiss jean at the end, I'll have no problem.