Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Spidey 2007]

Anyone still have hope?

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2106/cyclopsdebacle2ky.jpg

[xwolverine2]

think that Cyke won't live
...in the first 5min

[WorthyStevens]

...in the first 5min

... of the 6th X-Men movie...

Fun game. :D

[Aiden]

...in the first 5minCan't think of anything :p

[xwolverine2]

... of the 6th X-Men movie...

Fun game. :D
in a flashback of the third...

:p :p

[The Batman]

Anyone still have hope?


Nope. Thought he was a dead man then, still think so now

[Aiden]

My hope just plummeted

[WorthyStevens]

in a flashback of the third...

:p :p

... X-Men Legends game. :p

[xwolverine2]

My hope just plummeted
up or down?

[xwolverine2]

... X-Men Legends game. :p
..which features in-game footage of The last Stand:o

[DarknessOfDeath]

My hope just plummeted

Aiden... Im so Scared. :(

[lordofthenerds]

up or down?
What do you think? :p

[Aiden]

up or down?Down...:(

[xwolverine2]

What do you think? :p
up

Down...
oh....

its not like hes not in the movie at all.

[taintedFB]

I still think he lives and the Claremont novel sounds awesome. Can't wait til Conan gets to the end so that we can see how and when he returns...

BTW: recreated my avatar in ImageReady. Better resolution but had to remove frame for file size...

[DarknessOfDeath]

Crap...he dies.

[WorthyStevens]

I still think he lives and the Claremont novel sounds awesome. Can't wait til Conan gets to the end so that we can see how and when he returns...

BTW: recreated my avatar in ImageReady. Better resolution but had to remove frame for file size...

Don't count on it. :(

[Primogeniture]

Sounds like he's dead as a door nail in this book too. I've got just about no hope left now.

[Aiden]

*sigh*

[MutantMetalhead]

I wonder how Claremont felt when writing the novel, considering he wrote the original story

[Spidey 2007]

*cough* x2novel *cough

[WorthyStevens]

Interesting development over here:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230598&page=11

[Aiden]

Hopefully pissed.

Wolverine...saving Jean................

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[TheVileOne]

*cough* x2novel *cough
Dude, they didn't change it for the movie.

Scott's noticeably absent from the funeral scene and from just about all the action and final battle scenes.

Just let it go.

[WorthyStevens]

Dude, they didn't change it for the movie.

Scott's noticeably absent from the funeral scene and from just about all the action and final battle scenes.

Just let it go.

Then Jean didn't die at the end of X2, but she's instead blind.

[TheVileOne]

Then Jean didn't die at the end of X2, but she's instead blind.
So what? That was because of Bryan Singer, and that changed what her fate was at the END OF THE MOVIE.

Cyclops dies early on.

[taintedFB]

Once Again for those of you losing hope:

Objective info:

Negative Side:
1. Only scenes shown in clips/trailers of Cyclops are at the lake.
2. Early and INCOMPLETE treatment review on AICN
3. Junior novelization suggests he dies at the Lake
4. Lack of screenshots in uniform
5. Writers seem to be making excuses for Cyke "did the best...with parameters given"

That's basically it.

Now for the positive:

1. Pic of Cyclops in background of Cameron Bright Photo. (it's in the middle of the scene and pretty clear, so the cutout/poster theory doesn't make sense)

2. Promo pics of Cyclops in uniform and clean shaven. And now more posters and pics of him in uniform (previous uniformed characters wear uniforms in the movie at some point)

3. Marsden quote on making the movie AND wearing the suit.

4. Ratner says things like "death is relative" mentions Jean's apparent death in X2 and return in X3.

5. Kinberg saying "not all fates are what they seem" and SPOILER for MOST questions regarding Scott

6. Writers admit to visiting forums to guage fan's wants while writing

7. Writers said MAJOR changes since the AICN draft (which was missing the third act) RATNER also completely redid the third act.

8. Bookstore manager has actually read the entire adult novelization and says Cyclops is in the beginning AND END, and there is a reason behind his absence

9. Kinberg said MORE mutants join the final battle beyond those shown in the trailers...

10. Business sense: Marsden most likely to return for additional sequels, Arad and Shuller Donner know the source material and will not RADICALLY change it. Ratner and writers are also Cyclops fans...

11. Most scenes allude to scenes in the comics, Scott wasn't killed by Phoenix (though she did think it happened...illusion)

12. Logan failed to save Jean in the lab, someone ELSE must be the one to bring about a change in her at the end.

13. Character arcs will be completed/ fulfilled/ full circle from X1. Cyke promised to take care of them if anything happened to Xavier in X1, and Jean chose Scott in X2. Those destinies MUST be fulfilled.

14. If #8 is false, novels deviate from the films and Penn and Kinberg say they'd be disappointed if the novel revealed spoilers. Suggesting they expect things to unfold differently.. or at least hope so.

15. Hugh quote saying Scott does NOT fade into the background, love triangle is still alive, and fans will have to see for themselves where Scott goes...

16. Two rumored run times and Ashmore comment about multiple versions being screened suggest that any potential reviews could prove inaccurate come May 26th!

17. Creative Screenwriting article where writers mention Vaughn had strong opinions and they told him "if you do that, fans will find you and put you no a spit and roast you." Could be regarding Cyclops's fate.

18. Creative Screenwriting article, writers say the AICN draft is not the film we ended up making.

These are just a few I could think of at the moment. As you can see, there is more positive than negative...

Most negativity comes from a lack of information/footage. No concrete evidence of anykinf proving he actually dies yet.

Don't lose hope.

[The Batman]

There was no hope to begin with.

[WorthyStevens]

So what? That was because of Bryan Singer, and that changed what her fate was at the END OF THE MOVIE.

Cyclops dies early on.

No, he doesn't.

[invincible mann]

well i guess the movie has the truth in it
but didnt we already know that?

[TheVileOne]

No, he doesn't.

OK where's your proof?

[taintedFB]

Honestly, I never thought the books would reveal Cyke's survival. Especially since his supposed death is a source of great trauma for Jean.

I still cling to the hope that the filmmakers aren't that stupid.

Read my previous post. Alot more points to his survival. Even Famke saying they filmed snippets with characters and that they weren't all together in the final battle but when edited it will appear they are.
I doubt the writers would be going online speaking to fans if they knew how pissed we'd be... Especially since they didn't log on til after the AICN review. They already knew how pissed Cyke fans were and still decided to open up and talk. That suggests a certain amount of confidence that we'll like this movie.

[WorthyStevens]

OK where's your proof?

The fact that we've see him in uniform. Granted, they're promos, but everyone who's worn them so far has worn them.

[Aiden]

Wolverini is the only ray of light we have

[Another_Fool]

Why do I feel like the sixth seal of apocalypse has been broken in this very forum?

[TheVileOne]

The fact that we've see him in uniform. Granted, they're promos, but everyone who's worn them so far has worn them.

They were promo pics, just that. We've seen all sorts of footage and clips, and none of them feature Cyclops in uniform.

And the main relationship of the clips is that of Wolverine and Jean/Phoenix, from an X-men story where its ALL ABOUT CYCLOPS AND JEAN!

The filmmakers ****ed up big time.

[Maze]

The problem is that Wolverine final action with Jean seem to be part from his arc.

remember in the infirmary clip? she asks him to kill her.

he doesn't do it..

and he would do it at the end?

Yup ,There are a lot of chances that the idea that he have to kill her will haunt him in the whole movie imo..and that he will do it at the end.

if cyke was going to come back , it would to be stop Jean ? if not when?

I don't see how it can go any other way..

Sorry , people .really sorry. I think it's better to not expect Cyke to come back ..in this movie..

[taintedFB]

I don't think Marsden would have commented on filming and wearing the uniform if he didn't.

I don't think Hugh would say Cyclops doesn't fade into the background and the love triangle is still an issue and fans have to see where Cyke goes if Cyke goes nowhere!

I doubt marsden and everyone would be so proud of a shooting just two brief scenes and accidentally dying and not even an emotional death. Just cut away and assume he's dead! Seriously there is more!

[WorthyStevens]

They were promo pics, just that. We've seen all sorts of footage and clips, and none of them feature Cyclops in uniform.

And the main relationship of the clips is that of Wolverine and Jean/Phoenix, from an X-men story where its ALL ABOUT CYCLOPS AND JEAN!

The filmmakers ****ed up big time.

If they're saving Cyclops for a surprise at the end (and I'm ONLY SAYING IF), they're using the AICN travesty to their advantage, they won't show him outside of Alkali.

But if Cyclops indeed dies at Alkali, I'll be extremely pissed. And I won't be quiet about it.

[rashad]

Finished this one earlier.
http://imagecloset.net/8/05110610cyke_x3a.jpg

[TheVileOne]

If they're saving Cyclops for a surprise at the end (and I'm ONLY SAYING IF), they're using the AICN travesty to their advantage, they won't show him outside of Alkali.

You are putting way too much stock and faith into the intelligence of the screenwriters.

I'd also like to point out, a lot of things that were in the AICN reviewed draft and were implied are still in the movie.

[Aiden]

So, Cyke's fate is in the balance still. Good

[Maze]

just one thing.

if Cyke is dead ...

the thing that will piss me off the most are those promos shots with him unshaved..

that they try to cover his death is one thing , but there this would be just vicious..:mad:

and you who are reading us , you are a big **** , and you should be ashamed of yourself :down

[CapBeerCino]

No, he doesn't.

Good to see nothing changed while I was gone. :up:

[Spidey 2007]

They were promo pics, just that. We've seen all sorts of footage and clips, and none of them feature Cyclops in uniform.

And the main relationship of the clips is that of Wolverine and Jean/Phoenix, from an X-men story where its ALL ABOUT CYCLOPS AND JEAN!

The filmmakers ****ed up big time.


are you joking yet again?


You DO NOT KNOW if the filmmakers ****ed up big time, im tellign you right now.

YOU DONT KNOW IF THEY ****ED UP UNTIL MAY 26th.

[bluewolv]

OK where's your proof?

We should have a contest to see you will be the first to post Cyclops isn't REALLY dead after the movie comes out and he dies in the first act, like the script, junior novel and adult novel all say...

[vanillacyke]

Man I hope all the people involved with crafting the story get raped up the ass by a ****ing yeti.

[TheVileOne]

So, Cyke's fate is in the balance still. Good

Only in the minds of people who wallow in denial.

[Maze]

are you joking yet again?


You DO NOT KNOW if the filmmakers ****ed up big time, im tellign you right now.

YOU DONT KNOW IF THEY ****ED UP UNTIL MAY 26th.


No but we know that from day one Penn and Kinberg had not all the freedom that they wanted to write Cyclops .

if today he his not front and center in this movie , if he he has a diminished role it's because of Fox.

SO ,For me yes some people on this boat****ed up big time.

[WorthyStevens]

Only in the minds of people who wallow in denial.

Unlike the ignorant who act as if they've seen the movie.

[TheVileOne]

We should have a contest to see you will be the first to post Cyclops isn't REALLY dead after the movie comes out and he dies in the first act, like the script, junior novel and adult novel all say...

To me, it doesn't matter if he is still alive. He's a minor character and is thrown out of the movie early on.

This movie should be Cyclops time to shine. Instead they made it Wolverine and Storm show.

I don't mind Wolverine having a big role, but Cyclops should be prolific as well. He should be having those lab scenes with Jean, and the eulogy for Xavier.

Who goes to save Jean from the brotherhood? WOLVERINE!

[WorthyStevens]

You are putting way too much stock and faith into the intelligence of the screenwriters.

I'd also like to point out, a lot of things that were in the AICN reviewed draft and were implied are still in the movie.

THEY'RE ONLY THE TV SPOTS!

They're not the whole movie. :p

[Aiden]

Only in the minds of people who wallow in denial.Only in the views of those that are only reading what this thread says and not others

[TheVileOne]

Unlike the ignorant who act as if they've seen the movie.

Hey, taintedFB and yourself listed tons of reasons why I'm wrong. None of them hold water.

[Spidey 2007]

To me, it doesn't matter if he is still alive. He's a minor character and is thrown out of the movie early on.

This movie should be Cyclops time to shine. Instead they made it Wolverine and Storm show.

I don't mind Wolverine having a big role, but Cyclops should be prolific as well. He should be having those lab scenes with Jean, and the eulogy for Xavier.

Who goes to save Jean from the brotherhood? WOLVERINE!


lol.... your making me start to hate the X-division now lol :down

[WorthyStevens]

Hey, taintedFB and yourself listed tons of reasons why I'm wrong. None of them hold water.

None of your's really do either.

Do you really think the whole movie will be given away in the books?

[bluewolv]

To me, it doesn't matter if he is still alive. He's a minor character and is thrown out of the movie early on.

This movie should be Cyclops time to shine. Instead they made it Wolverine and Storm show.

I don't mind Wolverine having a big role, but Cyclops should be prolific as well. He should be having those lab scenes with Jean, and the eulogy for Xavier.

Who goes to save Jean from the brotherhood? WOLVERINE!

I agree with that

[lordofthenerds]

None of your's really do either.

Do you really think the whole movie will be given away in the books?
The Daredevil one did. The Spider-Man one did. The Star Wars one did. The only one I can think of is the X2 book that made Jean live in the book, but not the movie. And I agreed with all the points VileOne made btw.

[Maze]

Vile is right , Worthy ...

franckly , untill proven otherwise really Cyke is dead.

Anyways Why fight? We will know soon anyways...i just say don't put your hopes too high on this one , or you are at risks to be severly disapointed.

[Aiden]

Vile is right , Worthy ...

franckly , untill proven otherwise really Cyke is dead.

Anyways Why fight? We will know soon anyways...i just say don't put your hopes too high on this one , or you are at risks to be severly disapointed.We'll find out on Monday

[Spidey 2007]

Vile is right , Worthy ...

franckly , untill proven otherwise really Cyke is dead.

Anyways Why fight? We will know soon anyways...i just say don't put your hopes too high on this one , or you are at risks to be severly disapointed.


until proven OTHERWISE??? we have nothing to base anything off off since the movie isnt out yet..... similar to what worthy said the movie can be and will be different then the novel. all we have to base cyclops fate off of is rumors, not what we will actually see.

[TheVileOne]

None of your's really do either.

Do you really think the whole movie will be given away in the books?

Why not? Just about every movie novel gives away everything in the movie or has the same ending.

X-2 is the only movie novel I recall where they changed the ending. WHY?! Because of BRYAN SINGER! Bryan Singer orchestrated all of that.

The Spider-man movies, both of which performed better than the X-men films had the same ending as the novels.

Star Wars novels? Same thing. ALL OF THEM CAME OUT WELL BEFORE THE MOVIE WAS RELEASED! Even long before the point at which the X3 novel was released.

In other words your novel argument does NOT HOLD WATER!

[CapBeerCino]

Who goes to save Jean from the brotherhood? WOLVERINE!

I really hope the brotherhood kicks his A$$ in that scene (And while Im dreaming Cyclops will show to his rescue, save the day and Jean) :p

[Spidey 2007]

The Daredevil one did. The Spider-Man one did. The Star Wars one did. The only one I can think of is the X2 book that made Jean live in the book, but not the movie. And I agreed with all the points VileOne made btw.


LOL^ re read that. Yes this is X-men NOT spiderman or any other film. seriously, you said yourself the X2 novel altered the ending, now that was a great success, i think they would step it up for x3!

[WorthyStevens]

The Daredevil one did. The Spider-Man one did. The Star Wars one did. The only one I can think of is the X2 book that made Jean live in the book, but not the movie. And I agreed with all the points VileOne made btw.

Other than possibly Star Wars, X3 has ALOT more too much spoilerific material to keep the same in the book and movie.

[TheVileOne]

until proven OTHERWISE??? we have nothing to base anything off off since the movie isnt out yet..... similar to what worthy said the movie can be and will be different then the novel. all we have to base cyclops fate off of is rumors, not what we will actually see.

All we see of Cyclops in the movie is Cyclops at Alkali lake.

Oh and some PROMOTIONAL pics of him in the uniform! Yeah those amazing promotional pics that are taken for magazine and promotional purposes!

[Maze]

we have nothing to base anything off off since the movie isnt out yet.....
We have a lot.

[DarknessOfDeath]

We'll find out on Monday

for some reason, heheh, ur avvy makes it seem that it is really you. :) :p

[Spidey 2007]

Why not? Just about every movie novel gives away everything in the movie or has the same ending.

X-2 is the only movie novel I recall where they changed the ending. WHY?! Because of BRYAN SINGER! Bryan Singer orchestrated all of that.

The Spider-man movies, both of which performed better than the X-men films had the same ending as the novels.

Star Wars novels? Same thing. ALL OF THEM CAME OUT WELL BEFORE THE MOVIE WAS RELEASED! Even long before the point at which the X3 novel was released.

In other words your novel argument does NOT HOLD WATER!


bryan singer yes.... whats stopping brett ratner? tell me? hes trying his damndest to be like bryan.

[lordofthenerds]

LOL^ re read that. Yes this is X-men NOT spiderman or any other film. seriously, you said yourself the X2 novel altered the ending, now that was a great success, i think they would step it up for x3!
Read VileOne's post above. He gives a better argument re-wording it.

[TheVileOne]

Other than possibly Star Wars, X3 has ALOT more too much spoilerific material to keep the same in the book and movie.

And the Spider-man movies which are the most popular and most profitable super heroes of all time do not?

[Spidey 2007]

All we see of Cyclops in the movie is Cyclops at Alkali lake.

Oh and some PROMOTIONAL pics of him in the uniform! Yeah those amazing promotional pics that are taken for magazine and promotional purposes!

okay, you expect them to give away one of the biggest, if not the biggest suprise in the movie.... INA TRAILER!??!?

[WorthyStevens]

Why not? Just about every movie novel gives away everything in the movie or has the same ending.

X-2 is the only movie novel I recall where they changed the ending. WHY?! Because of BRYAN SINGER! Bryan Singer orchestrated all of that.

The Spider-man movies, both of which performed better than the X-men films had the same ending as the novels.

Star Wars novels? Same thing. ALL OF THEM CAME OUT WELL BEFORE THE MOVIE WAS RELEASED! Even long before the point at which the X3 novel was released.

In other words your novel argument does NOT HOLD WATER!

We don't know how long ago this novel was written. It could be like the junior novelization, based on an earlier script or so.

[Aiden]

for some reason, heheh, ur avvy makes it seem that it is really you. :) :plol

[Spidey 2007]

We don't know how long ago this novel was written. It could be like the junior novelization, based on an earlier script or so.

EXACTLY

[WorthyStevens]

And the Spider-man movies which are the most popular and most profitable super heroes of all time do not?

The Spider-Man movies were never as potentially spoilerific as this movie is.

[lordofthenerds]

okay, you expect them to give away one of the biggest, if not the biggest suprise in the movie.... INA TRAILER!??!?
Just look at everything else they've given away in the trailers and TV spots.

[TheVileOne]

bryan singer yes.... whats stopping brett ratner? tell me? hes trying his damndest to be like bryan.

Because this was different. This was about Jean who was all throughout the second movie, "dying" at the end.

This is Cyclops, who we now know dies in the novels early on at Alkali Lake.

The people in denial think he will magically show up to save the day at the end.

Also Cyclops is nowhere to be scene at the funeral or memorial. NOWHERE. And I see Storm giving the eulogy, not Cyclops.

[WorthyStevens]

Because this was different. This was about Jean who was all throughout the second movie, "dying" at the end.

This is Cyclops, who we now know dies in the novels early on at Alkali Lake.

The people in denial think he will magically show up to save the day at the end.

Also Cyclops is nowhere to be scene at the funeral or memorial. NOWHERE. And I see Storm giving the eulogy, not Cyclops.

Neither is Wolverine. Nor Angel.

[TheVileOne]

The Spider-Man movies were never as potentially spoilerific as this movie is.

What does that mean?

[Spidey 2007]

Because this was different. This was about Jean who was all throughout the second movie, "dying" at the end.

This is Cyclops, who we now know dies in the novels early on at Alkali Lake.

The people in denial think he will magically show up to save the day at the end.

Also Cyclops is nowhere to be scene at the funeral or memorial. NOWHERE. And I see Storm giving the eulogy, not Cyclops.


Are you going to go see X3 opening weekend? answer me that

[CapBeerCino]

The Spider-Man movies were never as potentially spoilerific as this movie is.

SM3 is. (Harry's plot line for example)

[TheVileOne]

Neither is Wolverine. Nor Angel.

Yes he is. In the first teaser trailer we see him at the memorial.

[lordofthenerds]

Neither is Wolverine. Nor Angel.
Actually it does indicate that Wolverine comes late in the teaser. And Angel never even knew Xavier in the novels.

[TheVileOne]

Are you going to go see X3 opening weekend? answer me that

What I am probably going to do is see an advanced screening and review the movie for my publication. So no, I'm not going to pay to see it opening weekend.

[WorthyStevens]

What does that mean?

X3 has 3+ potential deaths, a mutant war, and all those things.

[Primogeniture]

I thought one of the writers said that he kept Claremont up to date on any changes in the script. That they communicated frequently and that Claremont was even on set some times. Could be bad memory on my part, but seems to me that it wasn't just a really old script that was used to write the book.

[Maze]

Again, Imo ,Cyke has no reason for the filmmakers to show up at the end.

why? See the infirmary scene again

In this movie wolverine seem to struggle with the fact the he has to kill jean Grey.

if Cyke show up , how Wolverine will accomplish his arc?

[Spidey 2007]

What I am probably going to do is see an advanced screening and review the movie for my publication. So no, I'm not going to pay to see it opening weekend.


okay **** dont need to go haywire, i just wanted to make sure you were seeing it.... thats cool, thats all i needed to know...thanks.

[WorthyStevens]

SM3 is. (Harry's plot line for example)

Damn. I forgot about that. :p

But still, Spider-Man never had as much death as this movie promises to have.

[Spidey 2007]

Again, Imo ,Cyke has no reason for the filmmakers to show up at the end.

why? See the infirmary scene again

In this movie wolverine seem to struggle with the fact the he has to kill jean Grey.

if Cyke show up , how Wolverine will accomplish his arc?


Wolverine gets burnt alive...that ends that clearly, i mean hey... it would turn ME off!

[CapBeerCino]

Again, Imo ,Cyke has no reason for the filmmakers to show up at the end.

why? See the infirmary scene again

In this movie wolverine seem to struggle with the fact the he has to kill jean Grey.

if Cyke show up , how Wolverine will accomplish his arc?

How could Wolverine killing her have any emotional impact? He knew her for like 2 weeks! :mad:

[Maze]

How could Wolverine killing her have any emotional impact? He knew her for like 2 weeks! :mad:
Cap , i don't agree with this choice , you should know that.

I just say that the filmmaker seem to have set up that end.

[DarknessOfDeath]

How could Wolverine killing her have any emotional impact? He knew her for like 2 weeks! :mad:

OMG... Put it to rest. yesh. :rolleyes: -takes out his swatter-

[CapBeerCino]

Cap , i don't agree with this choice , you should know that.

I just say that the filmamker seem to have set up that end.

Yes I know, I was thinking out loud :p (I know you're one of the good guys :D)

[CapBeerCino]

OMG... Put it to rest. yesh. :rolleyes: -takes out his swatter-

Lately every second post I make I get the swatter. Im beginning to think its personal :o :p

[Maze]

Yes I know, I was thinking out loud :p (I know you're one of the good guys :D)
;) :)

[wobbly]

If they're saving Cyclops for a surprise at the end (and I'm ONLY SAYING IF), they're using the AICN travesty to their advantage, they won't show him outside of Alkali.

But if Cyclops indeed dies at Alkali, I'll be extremely pissed. And I won't be quiet about it.
I've said this before in this thread but it's worth repeating again. Considering how the AICN script was mauled and the reception that fans gave it there's no logical reason at all for Fox to do anything that remotely confirms anything in it is legit, least of all the widely condemned death of Cyclops. It just doesnt make sence to aim any promotion or publish any books that make the film look like it contains the biggest thing it's already been condemned for..unless they have to... On that, the only thing of note that the script writers seemed to have changed regarding his death (based on both Books) is that they don't actually show Scott being disintegrated*.

Look...I want the guy to live and take his rightful place in the finale of the Phoenix saga as much as anyone else here, but you have to accept this one just isn't likely.
See, when you think about it you realise that changing the story from both those books to bring Scott back in for the final battle requires more that just a reshoot of a couple of scenes to acheive that. Not only do the mechanics of the battle have to be reworked, but they have to explain what happened to him at the Lake, why he can go without his glasses after that scene, what he is doing up until the finale and explain how he gets to Alcatraz too. Needless to say this is all info that would certainly count as more than just one 'unscripted' scene as Stewart described it.

And to have him just turn up out of the blue and explain his presence in a couple of lines? Come on, that aint gonna happen and let's be honest, it would be dumb if it did.

God, I hope I'm wrong I really do, but I just can't see it. Also worth stating that Claremont would likely have had access to later shooting scripts, if not the final one, unlike with X2 where Singer changed the end at the last minute.

*Sure, not showing his death leaves the door open for a possible return in sequels (some small consolation to be had if true), but deliberately taking the character out of one of his best ever stories is one of the stupidest things I've seen these adaptations do.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

My relationship with XMEN films is over,now.They could have named the movie Wolverine 3 so we could understand what is it about and to not create us hopes for a good XMEN film.But what am i saying?I was unfair with FOX here!I think that they made it clear from the beginning that Cyke's role is going to suck!!

[Spidey 2007]

My relationship with XMEN films is over,now.They could have named the movie Wolverine 3 so we could understand what is it about and to not create us hopes for a good XMEN film.But what am i saying?I was unfair with FOX here!I think that they made it clear from the beginning that Cyke's role is going to suck!!


right, before you see the movie you pass judgement! very good idea mate!

good idea CYCLOPS LIVES!

[DarknessOfDeath]

-writes Cyclops lives on one flag and writes Cyclops Dies on the other- -he pauses for a moment and waves the Cyclops lives flag around- For a moment....I wanna wave it around...you get the idea...

[ginny_weasley]

I've said this before in this thread but it's worth repeating again. Considering how the AICN script was mauled and the reception that fans gave it there's no logical reason at all for Fox to do anything that remotely confirms anything in it is legit, least of all the widely condemned death of Cyclops. It just doesnt make sence to aim any promotion or publish any books that make the film look like it contains the biggest thing it's already been condemned for. On that, the only thing of note that the script writers seemed to have changed regarding his death (based on both Books) is that they don't actually show Scott being disintegrated*.

Look...I want the guy to live and take his rightful place in the finale of the Phoenix saga as much as anyone else here, but you have to accept this one just isn't likely.
See, when you think about it you realise that changing the story from both those books to bring Scott back in for the final battle requires more that just a reshoot of a couple of scenes to acheive that. Not only do the mechanics of the battle have to be reworked, but they have to explain what happened to him at the Lake, why he can go without his glasses after that scene, what he is doing up until the finale and explain how he gets to Alcatraz too. Needless to say this is all info that would certainly count as more than just one 'unscripted' scene as Stewart described it.

And to have him just turn up out of the blue and explain his presence in a couple of lines? Come on, that aint gonna happen and let's be honest, it would be dumb if it did.

God, I hope I'm wrong I really do, but I just can't see it. Also worth stating that Claremont would likely have had access to later shooting scripts, if not the final one, unlike with X2 where Singer changed the end at the last minute.

*Sure, not showing his death leaves the door open for a possible return in sequels (some small consolation to be had if true), but deliberately taking the character out of one of his best ever stories is one of the stupidest things I've seen these adaptations do.

*sigh* Sadly. I feel that Wobbly is right. Still holding out hope, but in a great deal of moderation.

What makes this all so terrible is that Penn, Kinberg, et al had a chance to fix this egregious mistake. The AICN leak and backlash was a gift from the Comic Universe Powers That Be - a chance for these folks to realize the huge mistake they were making by nixing Cyke from his role in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Sadly, it looks like they have indeed squandered this opportunity.

[PikaZeroX]

That and everyone completely expressing their concern over Cyke to Kinberg and Penn months before filming was even completed.

They could have, and they might have, but it looks extremely doubtful right now, and it's a shame.

[Cyclops Lives!!]

One thing is for sure!Kinberg and Penn proved for one more time what fantastic writers are they!!Imagine that.FOX told them:Get rid of Cyclops somehow cause we want Halle to lead in this one.And they ended up with the amazing idea of Jean democularize him!!!!hahahahaha.Come on now!Even a rat would come up with a better idea!!Come on guys.Are you gonna really see it?

[Spidey 2007]

*sigh* Sadly. I feel that Wobbly is right. Still holding out hope, but in a great deal of moderation.

What makes this all so terrible is that Penn, Kinberg, et al had a chance to fix this egregious mistake. The AICN leak and backlash was a gift from the Comic Universe Powers That Be - a chance for these folks to realize the huge mistake they were making by nixing Cyke from his role in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Sadly, it looks like they have indeed squandered this opportunity.


they might ahved fixed it... nobody knows just yyet:up:

[Spidey 2007]

One thing is for sure!Kinberg and Penn proved for one more time what fantastic writers are they!!Imagine that.FOX told them:Get rid of Cyclops somehow cause we want Halle to lead in this one.And they ended up with the amazing idea of Jean democularize him!!!!hahahahaha.Come on now!Even a rat would come up with a better idea!!Come on guys.Are you gonna really see it?


we dont know if they chose demolecularization, **** its not even a word, so i find it implausible right now. the little factiods stack against a demolecularaaztatiaontann.

[ginny_weasley]

they might ahved fixed it... nobody knows just yyet:up:

Yes, better late than never I guess. :up:

Even if we get a contrived fix for him surviving - it would (IMHO) still be better than knocking him off at Alkali Lake: the core of the Dark Phoenix Saga is more important than the details.

[PikaZeroX]

We do have 5 different versions of the film.. Let's hope these versions have plot differences and they choose the one where Cyclops lives..

[ginny_weasley]

We do have 5 different versions of the film..

we do? :confused:

[SCOTT&JEAN]

We do have 5 different versions of the film.. Let's hope these versions have plot differences and they choose the one where Cyclops lives..
Yeah and that that will be the version that we'll get to see in the cinema not only in the DVD (if they out them there)

[PikaZeroX]

we do? :confused:

Yeah, Shawn Ashmore was on some music program and said that 4 or 5 different versions were screened to select fans, and they will help decide which cut is final.

[taintedFB]

Yes. Don't listen to pessimistic, rude, and antagonistic people (Vile one, btw, hate your avatar).

All we are doing is stating our opinions and I think you can tell alot about a person based on how they see things. It seems like he's gone to so much trouble to tear down my list of reasons for being optimistic but the truth is it all depends on how you see things. All his rebuttals aren't concrete simply because neither one of us has seen the movie.

And I think if we have two conflicting run times and multiple versions of the film being screened Cyclops's fate can easily be one of the elements they are deciding on, along with Rogue's decision...

But I refuse to get into a virtual shouting match or arguement over who is right. Neither one of us knows. And come on, at the end of the day, it's jsut a movie...

[TheVileOne]

Yes. Don't listen to pessimistic, rude, and antagonistic people (Vile one, btw, hate your avatar).

Now who's being being rude and antagonistic. I love your avatar.


All we are doing is stating our opinions and I think you can tell alot about a person based on how they see things. It seems like he's gone to so much trouble to tear down my list of reasons for being optimistic but the truth is it all depends on how you see things. All his rebuttals aren't concrete simply because neither one of us has seen the movie.

You claimed your arguments were concrete specifically.


And I think if we have two conflicting run times and multiple versions of the film being screened Cyclops's fate can easily be one of the elements they are deciding on, along with Rogue's decision...

There's no proof to support these so called "multiple versions" have anything to do with Cyclops fate.

I think you are just ticked that you got served.

[Garrison]

*Sigh*

It seems the chance for Cyke are slim now....:(

[taintedFB]

Just as you have no proof that these multiple versions DON't have something to do with cyclops. All your rebuttals can basically go both ways. And I said facts, things that came from magazines or the writers own posts. I never said it was a sure thing, just what I believe. Honestly, its just an opinion, and I don't even care enough to be pissed at your responses...

[ginny_weasley]

Yeah, Shawn Ashmore was on some music program and said that 4 or 5 different versions were screened to select fans, and they will help decide which cut is final.

Gotcha, thanks! :up:

EDIT: my thoughts...

I would imagine that there's got to be some significant differences between some of these versions. I mean, five, jeesh; and it's not like they're gonna bother with test audiences over little things. I wonder too, if this is part of the reason we are getting mixed messages on the running time.

Didn't they do something like this with the X-Files movie? I heard they shot a couple (or more) different endings at the time because they still weren't sure how the previous season was going to end, where the new one would pick up, etc.

[cyke93]

ok i guess same old stuff today hehe. cyke lives he dies.. blah blah .. role is still diminished..

anyways.. i find it odd that i dont see more of the cast, in particular james marsden, making the rounds, except some big names like famke, hugh and ian.

[oneteen]

ok i guess same old stuff today hehe. cyke lives he dies.. blah blah .. role is still diminished..

anyways.. i find it odd that i dont see more of the cast, in particular james marsden, making the rounds, except some big names like famke, hugh and ian.
Big names, exactly.

[Compi716]

The one thing that I don't understand is how "Cyclops fans will not be disappointed." Are there ANY fans who can honestly say that they're okay with how Cyclops is treated in the novel?!

[DarknessOfDeath]

okay..i thought about this.... here are my thoughts. For me, I don't want cyke to die and second, if he does, whats the point of the whole Jean/Scott relationship, which we havn't seen much of in the first one but a bit more in the second one. Its either establish the relationship in the beginning and expand it further or not at all. Now, I don't blame Jean and Logan's relationship getting in the way of the other relationship but if Scott does bite the dust, whats the point of establishing something that we havn't seen enough of?? I still have some little hope left that Scott lives and I want to see him being the one who snaps Jean back to her senses. So atleast his arc is complete b/c we know he and Jean belong together. If this doesn't happen and he dies, i say screw the relationship. The end.

[Kurosawa]

Well, yet another official product comes out, further proving that the idiots at FOX have indeed killed Cyclops in X3...it's all but official now. Once again I encourage any Cyclops fan and any fan who loves and respects the comics to express their disgust at this blasphemous decision by NOT supporting X3 in any way, shape or form. Of all stories, Cyclops get shafted in the storyline that was completely about his and Jean's love. **** FOX, **** all involved in this decision. They can all go straight to hell and burn.

The X-Men movie series has been a total failure, IMO, and X3 will go down as the biggest slap in the face to a comic ever made-worse than Batman and Robin and Catwoman combined.

Hopefully one day the movies will get a Batman Begins type reboot and they'll be made correctly.

[gambitfire]

Well, yet another official product comes out, further proving that the idiots at FOX have indeed killed Cyclops in X3...it's all but official now. Once again I encourage any Cyclops fan and any fan who loves and respects the comics to express their disgust at this blasphemous decision by NOT supporting X3 in any way, shape or form. Of all stories, Cyclops get shafted in the storyline that was completely about his and Jean's love. **** FOX, **** all involved in this decision. They can all go straight to hell and burn.

The X-Men movie series has been a total failure, IMO, and X3 will go down as the biggest slap in the face to a comic ever made-worse than Batman and Robin and Catwoman combined.

Hopefully one day the movies will get a Batman Begins type reboot and they'll be made correctly.

:eek: you drama queen!!! :p lol

[TheVileOne]

My problem is not that Cyclops dies.

It's that he doesn't have a significant role in the story that he should.

[wobbly]

The one thing that I don't understand is how "Cyclops fans will not be disappointed." Are there ANY fans who can honestly say that they're okay with how Cyclops is treated in the novel?!

Ok...the mistake here is taking comments from anyone involved in the films production at face value. Simply put, they aint gonna say anything negative about the film or it's content, much less come right out say "Hell yeah, Cyclops fans are gonna be real p#ssed at what we've done here".

And when you read these comments with a more cynical eye it's easier to spot where they may be fudging the line between being a little misleading and being downright dishonest.
For instance when Jackman states of Cyclops: "I dont think he recedes into the background at all", the intent we assume is to disarm concerns that Cyke is getting the shaft. But if we find he does goes out as feared then Jackman has his get out: Cyclops didn't recede into the background at all, his atoms were exploded all across it.

This reasoning can be applied to pretty much everything they have said that has been intended to deflect concerns over Cykes portrayal in the film: ie, the writers being 'proud' of how they scripted him, but qualifying that by stating they were given parameters to work within that they had no control over. The writers too have there get out should the sh#t hit the fan.

Now regarding the intitial statement of "Cyclops fans will not be dissapointed", well you can argue that is correct. They won't be dissapointed, they will be downright furious.

[DarknessOfDeath]

My problem is not that Cyclops dies.

It's that he doesn't have a significant role in the story that he should.

I agree.

[WorthyStevens]

My problem is not that Cyclops dies.

It's that he doesn't have a significant role in the story that he should.

That I agree with you on.

[RagingTempest]

Well, yet another official product comes out, further proving that the idiots at FOX have indeed killed Cyclops in X3...it's all but official now. Once again I encourage any Cyclops fan and any fan who loves and respects the comics to express their disgust at this blasphemous decision by NOT supporting X3 in any way, shape or form. Of all stories, Cyclops get shafted in the storyline that was completely about his and Jean's love. **** FOX, **** all involved in this decision. They can all go straight to hell and burn.

The X-Men movie series has been a total failure, IMO, and X3 will go down as the biggest slap in the face to a comic ever made-worse than Batman and Robin and Catwoman combined.

Hopefully one day the movies will get a Batman Begins type reboot and they'll be made correctly.

*Again, I quote Storm from X2*

"Wow, Somebody's angry!!!":o :down

[Spidey 2007]

Well, yet another official product comes out, further proving that the idiots at FOX have indeed killed Cyclops in X3...it's all but official now. Once again I encourage any Cyclops fan and any fan who loves and respects the comics to express their disgust at this blasphemous decision by NOT supporting X3 in any way, shape or form. Of all stories, Cyclops get shafted in the storyline that was completely about his and Jean's love. **** FOX, **** all involved in this decision. They can all go straight to hell and burn.

The X-Men movie series has been a total failure, IMO, and X3 will go down as the biggest slap in the face to a comic ever made-worse than Batman and Robin and Catwoman combined.

Hopefully one day the movies will get a Batman Begins type reboot and they'll be made correctly.


you said it mate!:up:

ITS NOT OFFICIAL

[TheVileOne]

If Cyclops actually had a good role in the movie then died I wouldn't have a problem.

The problem is he apparently dies early on and then gets effectively replaced by Storm and Wolverine.

CRAP.

[Spidey 2007]

Uh, she never said that. When did she say that?

If Cyclops actually had a good role in the movie then died I wouldn't have a problem.

The problem is he apparently dies early on and then gets effectively replaced by Storm and Wolverine.

CRAP.

she said that :up: :)

[gap5ewl]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of what the novel said??? wow....

[Spidey 2007]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of the novel??? wow....


wow, hopefully your not counting me in..... considering ive been trying to defend the fact that it IS THE NOVEL and NOT THE MOVIE I expect Vile to come at me with a "denial" excuse, but get real.

[DarknessOfDeath]

yup... as I recall ... just before the air attack. when the air pilot tells them to go down 2000 ft... something like that.

[DarknessOfDeath]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of what thenovel said??? wow....

I still have some hope... thats it. But I ain't getting these so -called critics get in the way of how I should feel about the film. Just gonna go in there and ... just enjoy it.

[TheVileOne]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of what the novel said??? wow....
Why not?

The X2 novel changed the ending not the first act :p .

[Spidey 2007]

Why not?

The X2 novel changed the ending not the first act :p .

exactly, nobody knows the beggining of this movie either, who knows if cyclops just gets demolecularaiziedazzed. The novel sure cant confirm it at this point! :up:

[Another_Fool]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of what thenovel said??? wow....

Well c'mon, can you blame them? I mean, for me, at this point he lives or he dies, who knows right? But for those convinced, why is it so hard to comprehend? Lets think - AICN script leak, the trailers showing a lack of Scott, then the junior novel, and now the official novel. I don't know, but its looking rather bleak. I can't wait to hear "so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because it happened in the movie??? wow...."

Again, if he lives, then those convinced will be happy, right? So let them be convinced he dies. I don't blame them one bit.

For me, I'm just trying to hope its a great movie to make up for this.

[JZ1]

it is funny reading the past 2-3 pages of people who say cyke is dead when there is no confirmation yet. Until that happens hope stays alive and that he gets justice in the phoenix saga that belongs to him and jean alone. And if they do sabotage this story.. fox/ratner/etc are not going to hear the end of it.

wolverine: last stand oh no wait.. ratner plans to make another wolverine movie and make this the last x-men movie and without gambit. yeah what an x-men fan.

I think we have 4 different x-men fan groups here. The 1st group who grew up on the comics and know the characters inside out. The 2nd group who grew up on the x-men tv series on fox and got into comics after. The 3rd young group who got hooked on x-men evolution and still discovering the x-men. and the 4th who got into x-men from the movies and are discovering as well. and I think that is why we have young crowd/new x-men fans who don't fully understand why its jean and cyke in the phoenix saga and wolvering does play a 3rd wheel but not the way he is being portrayed in this 3rd film which could be all nothing but smoke for promotional purposes. and it does bite they never showed the love cyke and jean fully have in the x-movies so far.. hopefully they will in the 3rd.

for the cyke fans.. dont get down about it until the first review. i see so many cyke fans posting with :( .. what is up with that? a true cyke fans knows the movie hasn't been released yet so why get all sad. Let's wait for the first review.

This Gambit4life fan here still thinks cyke is going to bring jean back in the 3rd film. :)

[wobbly]

wow, hopefully your not counting me in..... considering ive been trying to defend the fact that it IS THE NOVEL and NOT THE MOVIE I expect Vile to come at me with a "denial" excuse, but get real.

Thing is though, had the novel stated he lived (which was still the assumption prior to today) those convincing themselves Cyclops survives would have seized that as proof or compelling evidence at least to support their position (as they were already doing when Stevie first posted what that woman had said to him).

It didn't work out like that though so now it gets dismissed as "not the movie". Go figure.

Btw- I am agreement that the novel isn't the end of this, the film might be different, however it isn't just the novel giving me cause to think Scotts numbers is up. Pretty much everything else I've seen come from this movie so far has led me to believe he is a gonner for some time. Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

[WorthyStevens]

so everyone here is CONVINCED that cyclops dies because of what the novel said??? wow....

I still think he lives.

[PikaZeroX]

I still have hope too, but that imdb review is hitting a little close to home.

He said Magneto at the end does get cured, and at the end he's alone playing chess and he's making the pieces shake. Very similiar to the novel ending.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow so I'd like to say f--- Bret Ratner and Kinberg for killing Scott. Truthfully he is not dead dead, its just heavily implied...and perhaps he will be back for a sequal, but its pretty much confirmed at this point what happens.

[MsNatchios]

Oh snap! :(

[TromaFreak64]

Did anyone scan the novel pages? The bandwidth seems to be destroyed on the scans.

[Spidey 2007]

Wow so I'd like to say f--- Bret Ratner and Kinberg for killing Scott. Truthfully he is not dead dead, its just heavily implied...and perhaps he will be back for a sequal, but its pretty much confirmed at this point what happens.

dont **** them too soon mate..... wait until may 26th or so to pass judgement

[DarknessOfDeath]

Heres hoping that Scott lives in the movie, not the other way around. I wanna see him in action with Jean. I wanna see him save Jean, I wanna see their relationship seem like its not under developed but further established in the way it should be. I wanna see Scott shoot optic energy at her tush and scream his undying love for her in the end.

[ShadowBoxing]

Did anyone scan the novel pages? The bandwidth seems to be destroyed on the scans.What of the dream sequence...cause I did not save the Alkali Lake scene.

[eXperiment]

Heres hoping that Scott lives in the movie, not the other way around. I wanna see him in action with Jean. I wanna see him save Jean, I wanna see their relationship seem like its not under developed but further established in the way it should be. I wanna see Scott shoot optic energy at her tush and scream his undying love for her in the end.

me 2, good statement and/or speech

[DarknessOfDeath]

me 2, good statement and/or speech

why thank you, kind sir. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

Wow so I'd like to say f--- Bret Ratner and Kinberg for killing Scott. Truthfully he is not dead dead, its just heavily implied...and perhaps he will be back for a sequal, but its pretty much confirmed at this point what happens.

I don't think he'll die.

With that said, even IF he does die, we'll always have the comics. That and we'll go and torch Fox Studios to the ground too. :p

[MsNatchios]

Heres hoping that Scott lives in the movie, not the other way around. I wanna see him in action with Jean. I wanna see him save Jean, I wanna see their relationship seem like its not under developed but further established in the way it should be. I wanna see Scott shoot optic energy at her tush and scream his undying love for her in the end.
And I want to see him scream to the gods while shooting his optic beams as he carries her seemingly lifeless body in his arms, dammit!

[PikaZeroX]

And I want to see him scream to the gods while shooting his optic beams as he carries her seemingly lifeless body in his arms, dammit!

That would make my year :p

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't think he'll die.

With that said, even IF he does die, we'll always have the comics. That and we'll go and torch Fox Studios to the ground too. :pI'd say get your torches ready then

[mustanger405]

Q: Is there any truth that a major character might be killed off?

Gorder: Well, right now we don't want to comment of characters being killed off, but let's just say that in the comic book world, anything is possible as far as being killed off or resurrected (laughs). So yeah, I think that the fans will be pleased with the way that the characters are handled and the way that their story arcs are told. They will be very pleased.

I still have no f----ing clue what this guy is talking about then....who gets ressurected if its not Cyclops. I am sooo pissed right now.

If all this b.s. is true
1. Cyclops dies in first 25 min
2. He isn t even mourned for by the X-Team and has such a undramatic death (accidental vaporization lmao)----screw fox
3. Wolverine steps up as leader
4. Cyclops doesnt even play an important role in one of the most memorable comic book sagas.....nameley Phoenix (He wont save Jean and Wolverine will be the one)

WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE FANS

[MsNatchios]

That would make my year :p
This would make my year :o :

http://www.100megspop3.com/scottororo/gallery/sctjn/ulove.jpg

[cyke93]

Exactly. James was so great in that x-jet scene that he made me cry.

He is a great actor and he fits in Cyclops character perfectly

to be honest, i wasn't very impressed with that scene. i was watching it through 2 different perspectives, 1 as an cyclops/x-men fan and as an average movie goer. asa cyclops fan i completly understand why cyclops is reacting in the way he is

but i also realize that they completly shafted him in x2 that giving him this big emotional scene at the end didn't make sense. i thought it was too overplayed and made it seem like they were so in love yet we never saw any such things about love ..

[PWN3R]

How can Simon and Zak call themselves Cyclops fans and write this??

:(

Maybe, just maybe it will be different??

[DarknessOfDeath]

How can Simon and Zak call themselves Cyclops fans and write this??

:(

Maybe, just maybe it will be different??

-hugs Ranger- awww dude. it may it may... but check this out... :)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/desktop.jpg
... just a screencap of my desktop. :)

[WorthyStevens]

How can Simon and Zak call themselves Cyclops fans and write this??

:(

Maybe, just maybe it will be different??

I hope so. :(

Otherwise I'll have to have some words over at the Xverse...

[PikaZeroX]

No matter what happens.. C2! Cyclops fans united!

*cries*

[TromaFreak64]

What of the dream sequence...cause I did not save the Alkali Lake scene.

Both involving Cyke...any of them would be helpful as Conan appears to have killed his bandwidth.

[PWN3R]

I hope so. :(

Otherwise I'll have to have some words over at the Xverse...

I think you and everyone else here. :o :(

*cries*

[PhePhe112]

To the ladies and gentleman that contributed to the storyline of X-Men III: The Last Stand.....I say this to you.....

I hope you did not do something stupid! If so I will NEVER see a movie in which you worked on. And I will NOT see this movie again nor buy the DVD, or anything related to this movie. I will get everyone I know to do the same. And if you did not do something stupid and just have us all fooled then CONGRATS, you did a great job and Thanks for making this movie.

Thank You,
Jo


(I doubt anyone will read this lol)

[Another_Fool]

Hmm, I'm really trying not to let Cyclops' possible death bother me, so that if I see it in the movie theater I can just shrug it off. But man I just can't bring myself to not be bitter about it if he does get killed off, especially in such an undignified way. And to put Logan in his spot, argh.

We'll find out when press screening happens, but man. This could potentially really hurt the film for me - even if its great, it would kinda bring down a small notch, and I'd like to love this movie.

[cyke93]

holy sh** . how many freaken pages did this thread go to today. i had to stop reading .. and just skip to the end. basically, fox still has us runnning around with our heads cut off.

lives or dies, cyclops will be diminished. accept it now, let the anger boil over and then wehen x3 comes out, you might not be so pissed when you see how they screw up cyclops in this one... also i do not understand why a book based on x3 would be published when there are some clear and definate changes in the actual movie. it looks bad on the movie, the publisher, etc. i dont understand the trouble a publishing company and fox would go through to put a book out, call it x3, when it is not x3.

[cyke93]

Hmm, I'm really trying not to let Cyclops' possible death bother me, so that if I see it in the movie theater I can just shrug it off. But man I just can't bring myself to not be bitter about it if he does get killed off, especially in such an undignified way. And to put Logan in his spot, argh.

We'll find out when press screening happens, but man. This could potentially really hurt the film for me - even if its great, it would kinda bring down a small notch, and I'd like to love this movie.


yeah it sux when i found out the rumour about his death. and everything there after has just been bad news. people just hope we'll see the leader of the x-men, show up at the end, while his girlfriend has gone phycho, and his team is facing a crap load of mutants. ::Sigh: .. o well we'll soon find out anyways.

[ginny_weasley]

Q: Is there any truth that a major character might be killed off?

Gorder: Well, right now we don't want to comment of characters being killed off, but let's just say that in the comic book world, anything is possible as far as being killed off or resurrected (laughs). So yeah, I think that the fans will be pleased with the way that the characters are handled and the way that their story arcs are told. They will be very pleased.

I still have no f----ing clue what this guy is talking about then....who gets ressurected if its not Cyclops. I am sooo pissed right now.

If all this b.s. is true
1. Cyclops dies in first 25 min
2. He isn t even mourned for by the X-Team and has such a undramatic death (accidental vaporization lmao)----screw fox
3. Wolverine steps up as leader
4. Cyclops doesnt even play an important role in one of the most memorable comic book sagas.....nameley Phoenix (He wont save Jean and Wolverine will be the one)

WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE FANS

"I think that the fans will be pleased with the way that the characters are handled and the way that their story arcs are told"

^^ok, seriously, if Cyke kicks it at Alkali lake he will have no arc AT ALL and will have been "handled" like a obstacle in Wolverine's way. :mad: You don't have to be a rabid Cyke fan (I'm not) to see this.

I'm just floored - floored - how could they be so incredibly off the mark with this??? It's so unbelievable that it really is the most compelling reason to think Cyke might actually make it through this.

[Kurosawa]

How can Simon and Zak call themselves Cyclops fans and write this??

:(

Maybe, just maybe it will be different??

How can people call themselves Cyclops fans or X-Men fans and support this?

Besides, this script was written by FOX execs more than anyone else.

[WorthyStevens]

Storm will be stepped up. Iceman will be stepped up. Colossus will be stepped up. And possibly Rogue will be stepped up.

Why couldn't Cyke have been stepped up like them? :(

[cyke93]

so it would appear that the claremont novel has cyke bite the dust. am i surprised? no. .. i thought about changing my sig.. guess not anymore.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Storm will be stepped up. Iceman will be stepped up. Colossus will be stepped up. And possibly Rogue will be stepped up.

Why couldn't Cyke have been stepped up like those? :(

Thats what I wanna know too :(

[Kurosawa]

Thats what I wanna know too :(

One word: Wolverine.

[ginny_weasley]

Storm will be stepped up. Iceman will be stepped up. Colossus will be stepped up. And possibly Rogue will be stepped up.

Why couldn't Cyke have been stepped up like them? :(

Because he's too busy being squashed as everyone else uses him to step up themselves.

It's more like a step down at this point....:(

[TromaFreak64]

At least his death sounds powerful. It seems to impact people from what Conan is saying.

[TromaFreak64]

i still can't believe Cyke is on the poster full uniform and everything and no where in uniform in the film....unless its the dreaded dream sequence.

[DarknessOfDeath]

One word: Wolverine.

Damn Him... but I still have a soft spot for him...-sighs- -waves his cyclops lives flag around-

[ZombieONE]

Storm will be stepped up. Iceman will be stepped up. Colossus will be stepped up. And possibly Rogue will be stepped up.

Why couldn't Cyke have been stepped up like them? :(

sounds to me like cyke is going to be stepped on

[cyke93]

the claremont novel i think has already given us the definitive answer. and even if its wrong and cyclops comes back in the end, what will we see? just like one scene ?! they might've changed stuff last minute but i think claremont's book pretty much nails everything. its really pathetic how they stepped the game up for every other character EXCEPT cyclops.

[cyke93]

sounds to me like cyke is going to be stepped on

stepped on ... by everyone walking on top of his grave.

[Eros]

if stan lee has killed off cyclops no one would complain, but i guess people like to confuse cyclops with a 5 foot 10 actor who needs a box to stand among the gods.

[Another_Fool]

With more and more merchandise and signs that Cyclops is gonna get killed off, people are seemingly sharpening their pitchforks for the X3 crew and Fox studio. For me, even being a bit bitter about the possibility of Cyke dying, I don't know if I can really put full blame on the X3 crew or Fox studios.

I know people won't agree with me on this, but honestly I blame Bryan Singer the most out of everyone. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a huge fan of Singer, and I mean no ill will towards him, but I really believe he's at fault for all this hoopla if Cyke bites it unceremoniously.

Granted, the writers for X3 or Fox could've tried to work things out, but lets think about a couple things:

Fox since two years ago, had already secured the spot of May 2006 for X3. There was no question about its release at that point; X3 will be coming out at that moment. Bryan was not on contract (big mistake if you ask me) but he was assumed to direct the third movie. Superman Returns on the other hand was trying to get going, but from my knowledge, had no real release date yet. Correct me if I'm wrong about SR.

Now for whatever reason, Bryan decides to jump ship and bring the writers to Superman Returns. Ok fair enough, as I'm sure he's always had more of a passion for Superman so good for him.

But the one thing he did was try to take KEY players of X3 along with him. He gets Marsden, he attempts to get Famke, and Shawn Ashmore, and of course Hugh - but it was only for a cameo. He attempts to get all of them knowing full well that the probability of SR shooting will conflict with X3's shooting. Now honestly in terms of Bryan, hey its his team - he wants to work with actors he's comfortable with.

Now some might say that Fox could've halted the release and just wait for Singer to be done, since he still wanted to do that. Well let me argue the flip -side. Why couldn't Singer wait to do Superman? I don't know, but from my understanding, the majority would be more interested in seeing an X3 with Dark Phoenix than a new Superman movie.

Don't get me wrong, I really love the Superman films, and I'm glad Singer is making a sequel to Superman II, but honestly, that could've waited. Still, thats not an issue. The issue is, he tried to nab key cast members of X-men, and imagine if he did? Not only would Cyclops have been in peril, but so would Iceman and Dark Phoenix.

Oh well. Whatever, I'm just venting right now. If Cyclops lives, then its no issue. But if he dies, I'd feel that Singer, the X3 makers, and Fox might have all destroyed a key element in the Dark Phoenix storyline.

[cyke93]

alright if we're playing the blame game now then here is the order of "people" to blame. note: this is referencing cyclops the character only, not the actor who plays him because he's at fault as well. all the following i think played their part for the diminished and eventful death of cyclops in x3.

1. general audience - not big on cyclops
2. fox - banking on wolverine and the fact that a lot of people dont like cyclops in the first place
3. the writers
4. fox - they're on here twice cuz there was time to fix it and they didn't and allowing more focus on lets say wolverine, who's already getting his own stupid spin off.
5. singer - left x3 to do a rival project and try to take actors
6. marsden - he did sign up for superman .. good for his career but not for his character.

[ginny_weasley]

I know people won't agree with me on this, but honestly I blame Bryan Singer the most out of everyone. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a huge fan of Singer, and I mean no ill will towards him, but I really believe he's at fault for all this hoopla if Cyke bites it unceremoniously.

Just to clarify: is your argument that Cyke got written out because they didn't think (or knew for a fact) that Mardsen didn't have time to reprise his role? I'm not being sarcastic or rhetorical, I'm just trying to make sure....:)

Cuz I guess it all depends on how bad the scheduling was looking. It certainly is easier for him to just film a few key scenes, instead of having to take part in all the major ones.

Still, they could have come up with something once they knew they had Mardsen available, albeit for a limited time. I'd take the whole contrived "he gets knocked out at the lake and comes back in the final battle" over what it looks like we're gonna get any day.

IMHO there's plenty of roasting pits to go around.

[Obsidian]

alright if we're playing the blame game now then here is the order of "people" to blame. note: this is referencing cyclops the character only, not the actor who plays him because he's at fault as well. all the following i think played their part for the diminished and eventful death of cyclops in x3.

1. general audience - not big on cyclops
2. fox - banking on wolverine and the fact that a lot of people dont like cyclops in the first place
3. the writers
4. fox - they're on here twice cuz there was time to fix it and they didn't and allowing more focus on lets say wolverine, who's already getting his own stupid spin off.
5. singer - left x3 to do a rival project and try to take actors
6. marsden - he did sign up for superman

well to be honest....FOX wasn't exactly prepping up for X-Men 3....they didn't even bother to sign up a majority of the cast till late in preproduction...James Marsden wasn't notified of when X-men 3 was happening and if it was going to happen...it's mainly FOX's fault for not acting quick enough..the date for the film was ASSUMED to be May 2006..it wasn't till Singer joined Superman and announced a June 2006 date, that FOX decided on settling with May 2006 for the release

[Eros]

well i dun blame James as much for leaving, Hes a huge superman fan, and its SUPERMAN who is bigger then the entire X-men combined. If i got a chance to play supporting role in a superman movie, i would of left even if i new X-3 was gonna get started.

[ginny_weasley]

1. general audience - not big on cyclops
2. fox - banking on wolverine and the fact that a lot of people dont like cyclops in the first place
3. the writers
4. fox - they're on here twice cuz there was time to fix it and they didn't and allowing more focus on lets say wolverine, who's already getting his own stupid spin off.
5. singer - left x3 to do a rival project and try to take actors
6. marsden - he did sign up for superman .. good for his career but not for his character.

I can't really blame the audience: I mean, if your opinion of Cyke is based off of what you saw in the first two movies, it's not gonna be so hot (trust me, I speak from personal experience here - I'm only a recent fan of these characters beyond the films). If the audience doesn't like Cyke, it's because they weren't presented with something TO like - that blame should be shifted to someone else on that list IMHO.

And I can pin too much on Mardsen - didn't he offer to do X3 for free at one point?

[PWN3R]

You can't blame Singer. SR was a dream project for him. What would you have done? Sit around and do nothing while FOX touches themselves, or get paid to work on your dream??

[Another_Fool]

alright if we're playing the blame game now then here is the order of "people" to blame. note: this is referencing cyclops the character only, not the actor who plays him because he's at fault as well. all the following i think played their part for the diminished and eventful death of cyclops in x3.

1. general audience - not big on cyclops
2. fox - banking on wolverine and the fact that a lot of people dont like cyclops in the first place
3. the writers
4. fox - they're on here twice cuz there was time to fix it and they didn't and allowing more focus on lets say wolverine, who's already getting his own stupid spin off.
5. singer - left x3 to do a rival project and try to take actors
6. marsden - he did sign up for superman

Yea, thats an interesting list. I still kinda look to Singer, because at the same time, I really wanted to see HIS vision or his writers Dougherty and Harris. Not Kinberg's or Penn's, with all due respect to them. Its kinda like Raimi - I realize he'll have to move on past the Spidey films, but I'd want to see his vision of Venom so bad with the same actors.

Frankly, when I said I blame Singer- I don't mean it to be malicious. I'm actually really grateful to him. I'm a huge fan of his work.

I just hope Superman Returns becomes a bomb-ass movie, because I'd hate to see it be a bad movie when he could've worked on X3.

[Kurosawa]

well to be honest....FOX wasn't exactly prepping up for X-Men 3....they didn't even bother to sign up a majority of the cast till late in preproduction...James Marsden wasn't notified of when X-men 3 was happening and if it was going to happen...it's mainly FOX's fault for not acting quick enough..the date for the film was ASSUMED to be May 2006..it wasn't till Singer joined Superman and announced a June 2006 date, that FOX decided on settling with May 2006 for the release

If they were dedicated to bringing a version of the Dark Phoenix Saga to the screen that was not a slap in the face to the comics version, then they would have found a way even if they had to replace Marsden.

FOX had no interest in giving Cyclops respect at any time. The fact that they rushed (hacked out) X3 is no excuse.

Once again, all those responsable can go straight to hell. **** them all.

[Obsidian]

I can't really blame the audience: I mean, if your opinion of Cyke is based off of what you saw in the first two movies, it's not gonna be so hot (trust me, I speak from personal experience here - I'm only a recent fan of these characters beyond the films). If the audience doesn't like Cyke, it's because they weren't presented with something TO like - that blame should be shifted to someone else on that list IMHO.

And I can pin too much on Mardsen - didn't he offer to do X3 for free at one point?

he did..jokingly i think..but still, there were no news or rumors about X-Men 3's production...then FOX decided to take it upon themselves to deliver an X-Men film before Superman would come out...Marsden had no idea about the status of X-Men 3 until after he joined Superman

[ShadowBoxing]

I can't really blame the audience: I mean, if your opinion of Cyke is based off of what you saw in the first two movies, it's not gonna be so hot (trust me, I speak from personal experience here - I'm only a recent fan of these characters beyond the films). If the audience doesn't like Cyke, it's because they weren't presented with something TO like - that blame should be shifted to someone else on that list IMHO.

And I can pin too much on Mardsen - didn't he offer to do X3 for free at one point?I don't blame them at all...it all goes back to the filmakers. FOX had way too much to do with these films and thought from day one X-Men was all about Wolverine and gradually he has taken on every good trait of his fellow X-Men. He is the leader (not Scott), he is the father figure (not Xavier), he is the cool guy (not Gambit), he is the sarcastic wit (not Iceman)...he is basically every cool trait of the individual X-Men rolled into one Captain Wolvermerica.

[Kurosawa]

Yea, thats an interesting list. I still kinda look to Singer, because at the same time, I really wanted to see HIS vision or his writers Dougherty and Harris. Not Kinberg's or Penn's, with all due respect to them. Its kinda like Raimi - I realize he'll have to move on past the Spidey films, but I'd want to see his vision of Venom so bad with the same actors.

Frankly, when I said I blame Singer- I don't mean it to be malicious. I'm actually really grateful to him. I'm a huge fan of his work.

I just hope Superman Returns becomes a bomb-ass movie, because I'd hate to see it be a bad movie when he could've worked on X3.

I hope Superman Returns DESTROYS X3.

[ginny_weasley]

Here's my Blame List

It's very short, but encompasses many:

1. Anyone who knew that killing off Cyke was a wretched idea AND had the power to stop said death from happening on film.

Simple as that.

Does that include Kinberg and Penn? I can't say for sure - they HAD to know it was a bad idea - but maybe just maybe they couldn't get they ok to fix it from the execs.

[Another_Fool]

You can't blame Singer. SR was a dream project for him. What would you have done? Sit around and do nothing while FOX touches themselves, or get paid to work on your dream??

Oh I don't doubt it was a dream project for him; hell I admit I'm excited to see Superman Returns. I'm a huge fan of the Superman films (not too much into the comics). But I'll admit that I'm more interested on his take of the Dark Phoenix storyline than Superman Returns. I want to make clear that I don't think ill of Singer at all. I don't blame him for taking Superman Returns, per se, I more kinda find he was a major reason in all this controversy.

Think of it like this - Forget that Peter Jackson made the LOTR all at the same time and forget he was contracted to do all three. Lets say he makes Fellowship then Two Towers. Suddenly he jumps ship to do his dream project King Kong. That would've drove fans of LOTR bonkers.

[Eros]

Kurosaw you are a prime example of whats wrong with some people on these boards. Saying things about fox or wheover you would never ever say to thier faces. Just chill out man, its just a movie.

[spidey207]

If your going to balme Singer for Cyclops' lack of prominence in X3, blame how he treated the char in X2. In X1 he did a fine job defining him as the leader and the opposite of Wolverine, but in X2 he pretty much had two scenes or three scenes. He didn't use him the way he would have best fit the script. It could have been another X-men that Stryker nabbed and Cyclops could have been one of the driving forces on the team.
I know you may say he didn't write the script and thats how it was written but he's the director so he has the final say. His treatment of the character in X2 is what is hurting Cyclops now.

[LastSunrise1981]

I hope Superman Returns DESTROYS X3.

Won't happen. They open a month apart and by the time SR is released X3 would've made its money back. Nice try whiner.

[ShadowBoxing]

Won't happen. They open a month apart and by the time SR is released X3 would've made its money back. Nice try whiner.I think he means it in a competitive sense. True SR cannot take money away from X3, but it can do better than X3.

[Kurosawa]

I don't blame them at all...it all goes back to the filmakers. FOX had way too much to do with these films and thought from day one X-Men was all about Wolverine and gradually he has taken on every good trait of his fellow X-Men. He is the leader (not Scott), he is the father figure (not Xavier), he is the cool guy (not Gambit), he is the sarcastic wit (not Iceman)...he is basically every cool trait of the individual X-Men rolled into one Captain Wolvermerica.

Exactly.

I've said it before, and i'll say it again-these movies should be called "Wolverine and His Little mutie Sidekicks".

[Obsidian]

If your going to balme Singer for Cyclops' lack of prominence in X3, blame how he treated the char in X2. In X1 he did a fine job defining him as the leader and the opposite of Wolverine, but in X2 he pretty much had two scenes or three scenes. He didn't use him the way he would have best fit the script. It could have been another X-men that Stryker nabbed and Cyclops could have been one of the driving forces on the team.
I know you may say he didn't write the script and thats how it was written but he's the director so he has the final say. His treatment of the character in X2 is what is hurting Cyclops now.

well he was adapting "God Loves Man Kills", which had both Xavier and Cyclops kidnapped..his treatment of the character in X2 may have started out in the beginning as a small role, but it grew towards the end as they alluded to the Phoenix saga where Cyclops does play a prominent role...hell James Marsden was pretty excited at the idea that he would be given that prominent role...i blame FOX for their immature attitute

[Kurosawa]

Won't happen. They open a month apart and by the time SR is released X3 would've made its money back. Nice try whiner.

Here you go again. Every time crap starts, it's you that starts it. Jerk.

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly.

I've said it before, and i'll say it again-these movies should be called "Wolverine and His Little mutie Sidekicks".It is true...but my problem with Wolverine in these films is its never been Wolverine. Its been Captain America with claws.

[Kurosawa]

Kurosaw you are a prime example of whats wrong with some people on these boards. Saying things about fox or wheover you would never ever say to thier faces. Just chill out man, its just a movie.

I'd say it straight to their faces. Why would I care? I'm not in the movie business.

[Eros]

Kurosawa i garantee you, you would not insult people to their faces about something like this dude.Angry fans tend to loose that confidence when they are face to face with their "target".

[Another_Fool]

Well we got the supposed first review - if its legit - it doesn't spill the beans on Cyke, but hey, they say it seems good. So hopefully *smiles*

[Kurosawa]

Kurosawa i garantee you, you would not insult people to their faces about something like this dude.Angry fans tend to loose that confidence when they are face to face with their "target".

I guarantee you I do not give a ****. Those people are less than nothing to me.

That review is obviously a plant.

[Uncanny]

I don't blame them at all...it all goes back to the filmakers. FOX had way too much to do with these films and thought from day one X-Men was all about Wolverine and gradually he has taken on every good trait of his fellow X-Men. He is the leader (not Scott), he is the father figure (not Xavier), he is the cool guy (not Gambit), he is the sarcastic wit (not Iceman)...he is basically every cool trait of the individual X-Men rolled into one Captain Wolvermerica.

I think you are right about this.

[WorthyStevens]

If Cyclops doesn't make it, we'll always have these...

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3416/comic13en.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7004/comic21tl.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/184/comic35bk.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9936/comic44jg.jpg

[WorthyStevens]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2520/comic57oj.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4042/comic69zd.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5527/comic72oc.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1393/comic89th.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2520/comic57oj.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4042/comic69zd.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5527/comic72oc.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1393/comic89th.jpg

One of my all time favorite issues ever, thank you

[ginny_weasley]

^^^nice! which comic # are those from exactly?

[Kurosawa]

Let's see....Spider-Man has genetic webbing in the movies, he gets genetic webbing in the comics....Bullseye has a target scar in the movies, he gets it in the comic.....the X-Men wear gay little leather outfits in the movies, they switch to that in the comics...they could easily follow suit and kill Scott off in the comics.

And either way, it doesn't stop the movie from being complete bull****.

[WorthyStevens]

^^^nice! which comic # are those from exactly?

The first run of X-Factor, #18.

I love the very end to it. :D

[ginny_weasley]

The first run of X-Factor, #18.

I love the very end to it. :D

thanks! :up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

holy crap. Comic overload.

[ZombieONE]

and this(what couldve been in the movies):

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/cyclops20.jpg

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/cyclops21.jpg


goodbye cyke:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny138.jpg

[Kurosawa]

Every time I think about the REAL Dark Phoenix Saga...about how beautifully written and drawn it was ..and to realize that these bastards have butchered what is the greatest storyline in X-Men history, and possibly in comics history...it just makes me wanna throw up.

Again, **** all those who made it turn out this way. And **** any apologists who support it.

[Redd_Angel]

^ i'm really really really hoping that if cyke doesn't get much screentime it's coz he leaves in the beginning then returns in the final battle. *crosses fingers* hee hee

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, I think most everybody would accept that. But it's looking like that's not the case.

I'd love to be wrong, of course.

[ZombieONE]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/zombieONE/cykewolv.jpg

[TromaFreak64]

Nice

[Mike059jig]

LOL Zombie..He he

[WorthyStevens]

Now Zombie, do the same thing again... except replace Wolverine with Tom Rothman.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, ultimately it's Rothman who is most to blame.

Although I hate Wolverine with a passion so that didn't hurt my feelings one bit.

[ginny_weasley]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/zombieONE/cykewolv.jpg

best.manip.ever.

and i say this as a wolverine fan - some things just transcend character biases.

[ShadowBoxing]

The first run of X-Factor, #18.

I love the very end to it. :DCyclops says he never got laid until Uncanny X-Men 132 in that issue

[WorthyStevens]

Cyclops says he never got laid until Uncanny X-Men 132 in that issue

Down in New Mexico...

but I liked the cliffhanger at the end of the comic alot too. :D

[ShadowBoxing]

Down in New Mexico...

but I liked the cliffhanger at the end of the comic alot too. :DYep Rusty asks him about sex and when him and Jean first explored their love, and it was in New Mexico...no wonder he was uptight.

[gambitfire]

within the past few weeks while trying to express my feelings towards the way cyclops appears to be treated in the movie ive come across alot of anti cyclops ppl and the more they dislike him the more i like the character.

[Primogeniture]

within the past few weeks while trying to express my feelings towards the way cyclops appears to be treated in the movie ive come across alot of anti cyclops ppl and the more they dislike him the more i start to like the character.

I understand that. Nothing has ever made me like the character more than watching him get completely insulted this last year.

[The Kid]

Cyclops Forever! http://www.insomniacmania.com/news/news_2075_1.jpg

[Mar420x]

Cyclops Forever! http://www.insomniacmania.com/news/news_2075_1.jpg

GREAT PIC. IT WOULD B A GREAT ENTRANCE IF HE COMES BACK @ THE END LIKE THIS.

[gambitfire]

I understand that. Nothing has ever made me like the character more than watching him get completely insulted this last year.

lol that sounds bad though, i mean i alway liked the character i just support him much more now, No character that's been around for this long deserves to have it's legacy ruined *coughsXceptSuprmn*coughs* no one heard that :D *looks around for mods*

[Kurosawa]

within the past few weeks while trying to express my feelings towards the way cyclops appears to be treated in the movie ive come across alot of anti cyclops ppl and the more they dislike him the more i like the character.

I've been there. :up:

[gambitfire]

I've been there. :up:

we'r just driven ppl that's right. :D

[ShadowBoxing]

The SPECIAL TWIST ENDING to X3
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7514/cyclopsbed5zq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)
Cyclops:Oh my Go*.... what a horrible dream......geez

[Balthus Dire]

The SPECIAL TWIST ENDING to X3
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7514/cyclopsbed5zq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)
Cyclops:Oh my Go*.... what a horrible dream......geez


LOL! That would be amazing.



One thing that amazes me is the fan response to Cyke's death. Even people I know who hate Cyke think it's so stupid that they are killing him.

WHY FOX?!? WHY?!?!?!?!

[gambitfire]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/Gambitfire/ROFLMAO.gif
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/Gambitfire/point.gif

That is so messed up But serious ROFLMAO

[ShadowBoxing]

he has no nipples? lolThats the twist.:confused:

[gambitfire]

LMAO ShadowB and Mjik your both too much :p

[WorthyStevens]

LOL! That would be amazing.



One thing that amazes me is the fan response to Cyke's death. Even people I know who hate Cyke think it's so stupid that they are killing him.

WHY FOX?!? WHY?!?!?!?!

Because Wolverine has to be the leader. Wolverine has to fight every single damn baddie. Wolverine has to be the hero. Wolverine can't be seen as weak or anything.

Even though I still don't think he dies, Cyke's treatment sucks ass. :down And it's all in part to Fox's greed and stupidity.

I really hope this movie creates a Wolverine overload so that Fox can see he's NOT the only X-Man.

[gambitfire]

Because Wolverine has to be the leader. Wolverine has to fight every single damn baddie. Wolverine has to be the hero. Wolverine can't be seen as weak or anything.

Even though I still don't think he dies, Cyke's treatment sucks ass. :down And it's all in part to Fox's greed and stupidity.

I really hope this movie creates a Wolverine overload so that Fox can see he's NOT the only X-Man.

Im wearing a shirt to the premiere in the front it will say RIP cylcops True Leader of the X-men and in the back - Wolverine Milked specialty of FOX

[gambitfire]

Fellow Cyclops fans i bid you farewell for the night and to our Beloved Scott our prayers.

[MutantMetalhead]

The thing is, there will be people who haven't been following this as closely as us who will still say "WHAT THE HELL?" I was talking to a friend from work the other day about X3. He's middle-aged, and is really into classic comics, but he's mostly a Batman/DC person. Still, when we were talking about how the Dark Phoenix saga was being used for X3, the first thing he said was "yeah, but you know she won't stay bad. I mean, Cyclops is her boyfriend, and he'll turn her back." Ugh.

[Octoberist]

YOu'll see the backlash if Cyclops does die. Fox hasn't learned their lesson after daredevil or Electra...and Fantastic Four (I didn't like it but I know some people who do so I'll let it kinda slide)

[mustanger405]

HES DIES ITS OFFICIAL......CANT BELIEVE IT BUT ITS FINALLY A REALITY...THE REVIEW FROM AICN STATES THAT JUGGERNAUT SAYS THE LINE IM THE JUGGERNAUT B*** which was what another kid at imdb claimed before he even saw the review at AICN. This kid said Cyclops dies and never comes back in the film.

CYKE R.I.P.
:( :( :(

I hate Fox and Ratner and Vaugn and anyone else responsible

[gambitfire]

HES DIES ITS OFFICIAL......CANT BELIEVE IT BUT ITS FINALLY A REALITY...THE REVIEW FROM AICN STATES THAT JUGGERNAUT SAYS THE LINE IM THE JUGGERNAUT B*** which was what another kid at imdb claimed before he even saw the review at AICN. This kid said Cyclops dies and never comes back in the film.

CYKE R.I.P.
:( :( :(

I hate Fox and Ratner and Vaugn and anyone else responsible

I was just about to log off what the hell what's going on?! what some kid?

[Obsidian]

he has no nipples? lol

Joel Schumacher stole them

[PWN3R]

I was just about to log off what the hell what's going on?! what some kid?

Earlier today, some guy on IMDB forum posted a review. He said it was good, but Cykes dies and never comes back. He also said that Juggernaut tells Kitty the ***** line.

He also said some other really lame stuff like Angel doesn't do anything and the Phoenix Effect has no fire.

[Retroman]

and this(what couldve been in the movies):

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/cyclops20.jpg

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/cyclops21.jpg
Great Cyclops moment.:up: Funny (just like is rumored in X3) Logan 'kills' Jean in this comic.Hmmm....