Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[aaron]

http://www.celebheights.com/s/James-Marsden-299.html

The actor most famous for playing the comic character cyclops in X-Men revealed to Starlog magazine that playing the character posed a problem: "I actually had to wear lifts in my shoes to get up to where I needed to be.", which is understandable considering Famke is 5ft 11. He also reveals that he's "5-foot-10 and ...(Cyclops)... is 6-foot-3. Wolverine is supposed to be 5-foot-3 and Hugh is 6-foot-2, I think. We had to shorten him and stretch me out a bit. So I was hanging myself upside down in my closet at night"

[newwaveboy87]

seems like everywhere we go there's a different height for him...:confused:

[newwaveboy87]

No she isnt, shes 5'11
which why i said i think.

[aaron]

which why i said i think.
And i said you were wrong, which you were

[newwaveboy87]

by an inch.
*shrugs*

so James is my height...weird.
then why is he 6'0" on IMDB? :confused:

[aaron]

imdb are wrong about a lot of things, alot of actors heights are wrong on there, and the fact that he said hes 5'10 himself proves imdb wrong

[newwaveboy87]

indeed it does. i wonder who updated that thing. hmm...questions and more questions...and for some reason...i stopped caring...

[LMason]

imdb are wrong about a lot of things, alot of actors heights are wrong on there, and the fact that he said hes 5'10 himself proves imdb wrong

Brian Peck said in the X1 commentary that James reminded him to mention that James is 5'10.5", so it's not that he's short, it's that others are "freakishly tall" (as has been mentioned in this thread). If you look at pictures of the Famke Janssen and James Marsden from premieres, you can tell that they are nearly the same height. In fact, here's a picture of the two of them together and Famke just bends slightly, and it makes her look shorter. THe two are definitely not separated by more than an inch.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jtagliere/gettypix053701.jpg

[CapBeerCino]

The height difference isn't that big - but I remember Bryan said he can't have Wolverine over towering Cyclops - which makes sense.

[aaron]

So its settled...james 5'10...famke 5'11

[newwaveboy87]

weird....i'm as tall as Cyclops...:confused:

[aaron]

nope, as tall as james ;)

[CapBeerCino]

James looks like her son in that picture...

[DarthRekal]

Brian Peck said in the X1 commentary that James reminded him to mention that James is 5'10.5", so it's not that he's short, it's that others are "freakishly tall" (as has been mentioned in this thread). If you look at pictures of the Famke Janssen and James Marsden from premieres, you can tell that they are nearly the same height. In fact, here's a picture of the two of them together and Famke just bends slightly, and it makes her look shorter. THe two are definitely not separated by more than an inch.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jtagliere/gettypix053701.jpg

bah she's too good for him!:mad: ...and apocs on thee for making me post in a CYCLOPS thread.... i feel dirty i will back out now

[newwaveboy87]

nope, as tall as james ;)
and he plays Cyclops. it works. :p

[aaron]

Lol...yeah, the circle.

she does look kinda oldish in that pic, but shes 40ish, so forgive and forget

[newwaveboy87]

he's just baby-faced in general too. can't forget that.

[CapBeerCino]

O.K im bored:
If you could ask James one question what would it be? (No. Marry me - is not a question.)
I'd probably waste mine on trying to find out if Cyclops dies (which he won't be able to anser...) Anybody else?

[aaron]

Id ask him something like what his wages were for the movies

[aaron]

Id ask him something like what his wages were for the movies

[CapBeerCino]

And of course- his height- to settle our early discussion.
Yeah, but I like to know about his wages. I remember in the X-1 premiere he said this is the movie that will send his son to college.

[CapBeerCino]

Edit.

[Daniella]

Maybe Jimmy as talking about his son, Jack ???

Dany

[Hugh'sMrs]

Brian Peck said in the X1 commentary that James reminded him to mention that James is 5'10.5", so it's not that he's short, it's that others are "freakishly tall" (as has been mentioned in this thread). If you look at pictures of the Famke Janssen and James Marsden from premieres, you can tell that they are nearly the same height. In fact, here's a picture of the two of them together and Famke just bends slightly, and it makes her look shorter. THe two are definitely not separated by more than an inch.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jtagliere/gettypix053701.jpg

Plus she was probably wearing 3 or 4 inch heels with that outfit.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Maybe Jimmy as talking about his son, Jack ???

Dany

Lisa was pregnant at the premiere of X1 and Jimmy touched her tummy and jokingly said this movie would pay for the kid's college. I'm sure he got paid a lot more than just enough to cover tuition though. Didn't they all get a million dollar bonus after X2's great opening weekend?

[Daniella]

Ah, okay... I remember that.. I was thinking another things... :)

Dany

[Daniella]

I was in the X3 official site and looking at the photos, I notice that Logan's uniform has the same X that Cyclops uniform/ jaquet does... it show that maybe, Cyke is in a field battle...

Dany

[sebaa]

they look very well!

[sebaa]

specially famke!

[TNC9852002]

I think I'm Marsden's height...If not, he's less than an inch taller... :(

-TNC

[the_scream]

Height is not a big issue in the movie business. People always look taller on screen and they can easily work around major height differences. Just look at the hobbits in LOTR! They were played by grown men. John Rhys Davies who plays Gimli is quite tall in real life. So, it isn't an issue.

[Sean Madrox]

Yeah Mardsen looks baby-faced in that picture, I hope he has the stuble in the film, gives him more of an older look.

[CapBeerCino]

I was in the X3 official site and looking at the photos, I notice that Logan's uniform has the same X that Cyclops uniform/ jaquet does... it show that maybe, Cyke is in a field battle...

Dany

Or maybe Wolverine is still wearing Cyclops old uniforms...

[Daniella]

Maybe, but Wolvie's older one was an yeallow - gold X... Cyke had a blue X... this one are a kind of grey... so, I don't think it's one of Cyclops uniform...

Dany

[CapBeerCino]

I'm grasping at straw- WHO'S WITH ME?
I've been watching the trailer for the million time now:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3160/cyke0mu.jpg

[Ions]

That's Colossus(all metalled up) reflecting the red light source on the left of the image. He's just thrown Wolverine. Cyclops can't do that. :p

[Electrix]

In the Danger Room sequence there is Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Iceman, Rogue and Shadowcat...

[Retroman]

Yeah,theres just one problem Cap Cyclops is 'not part of the group'.

[CapBeerCino]

That's at the bridge. Isn't it?

[Electrix]

Danger Room

[CapBeerCino]

That's Colossus(all metalled up) reflecting the red light source on the left of the image. He's just thrown Wolverine. Cyclops can't do that. :p


The arm doesn't look like metal - it looks like flesh...

[Comfortador]

The arm doesn't look like metal - it looks like flesh...

Are you smoking crack? Put that arm up next to wolverines face which we KNOW is flesh, tell me what you see different.

[Ions]

All you can see is red and light reflecting. If it was Cyclops he'd have his uniform leather jacket over that arm and it wouldn't be reflecting much. Much like the rest of the team isn't either. Also Wolverine's skin, and the rest of the X-men's skin isn't reflecting that much either. Clearly its reflecting off shiny metal! That and the fact its Colossus throwing Wolverine.

[CapBeerCino]

All you can see is red and light reflecting. If it was Cyclops he'd have his uniform leather jacket over that arm and it wouldn't be reflecting much. Much like the rest of the team isn't either. Also Wolverine's skin, and the rest of the X-men's skin isn't reflecting that much either. Clearly its reflecting off shiny metal! That and the fact its Colossus throwing Wolverine.

Well, it was worth a try...:o :O

[CapBeerCino]

Are you smoking crack?

:eek: DAMN! They're on to me! *runs*

[uberdave]

It does looks like Collossus's arm isnt metalled up, but its just light from the fires reflecting off it in a way that makes it look brighter, with a yellow-reddish tint. I though it was flesh the first time too, but if you look closely, his face and right arm are metalled, so it wouldn't make sense for his left arm not to be.

[CapBeerCino]

Guess only time will tell what's up with his arm. (159 days and 7 hours - to be exact)

[brazilian_boy]

Or maybe they just didn't have time yet to fully "metal him up"...... but there's hope that Ciclops is somewhere doind something cool during that scene.......

[Daniella]

I like Cyclops very much, but we all know that he doesn't has the strengh to do it with Wolvie... come on... if he had, I'm sure he did it already...

Dany

[CapBeerCino]

I like Cyclops very much, but we all know that he doesn't has the strengh to do it with Wolvie... come on... if he had, I'm sure he did it already...

Dany

:D Yeah, on several occasions...

[Daniella]

:D Yeah, on several occasions...

Mainly when Wolvie is near Jean... lol !

Dany

[Ions]

What no news over the weekend! AHH! :(
Be nice if there'd be some confirmation for or against whether James is back on set.. :marv:

[CapBeerCino]

What no news over the weekend! AHH! :(
Be nice if there'd be some confirmation for or against whether James is back on set.. :marv:

I know what you mean - the worst thing will be no news until the new trailer...

[Retroman]

UPDATE
Some news for all the Marsden fans on two projects he wrapped up before embarking on Superman Returns and X3.


10th and Wolf
Cast: James Marsden, Giovanni Ribisi, Dennis Hopper, Piper Perabo, Val Kilmer, Brad Renfro, Lesley Ann Warren.
RELEASE: TBA 2006

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9713/image46dz.jpg
James Marsden as 'Tommy'

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3250/image17ax.jpg
Left to right: Lesley Ann Warren, Giovanni Ribisi, Brad Renfro, James Marsden.
Source: http://www.10thandwolf.com
http://www.10thandwolf.com/behind_scenes.htm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360323/


The Alibi
Cast: Steve Coogan, Rebecca Romijn, Selma Blair, John Leguizamo, Sam Elliott, James Brolin, James Marsden and Jaime King.
RELEASE: TBA 2006

Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=12430
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409681/combined

Download the trailer (which has some of Marsden's scenes): http://www.kino-govno.com/index.php?trailers&id=alibi

Thanks to dimasok from the imdb forums for the trailer link.

[Retroman]

UPDATE
Good news for Cyclops fans?
Filming has indeed been extended until January. Thanks to starletrealm (from the HNR forums) for pointing out this site.

From Union of BC Performers (Canadian equivalent of the Screen Actors Guild) website:
Shooting: 8/2/2005 - 1/10/2006 Source: http://www.ubcp.com/index.asp?navid=29&layid=27&csid1=11686



starletrealm (from HNR forums) said it may go on a little longer but that seems to contradict with whats been said about the 10th. We'll see..

Looks so at this point. The UBCP website has the wrap date extended to January 22 or so. Same for Scary Movie 4.Source: http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3021&st=0&gopid=14976&#entry14976

[Genosha]

I don't know if this is entirely good news for Cyke fans. Are we sure that Marsden is still shooting?

I do like the fact that they are extending the shoot. This way, they may be able to fine-tune or add some scenes that they were previously not going to do.

We'll see what transpires............

[CapBeerCino]

I don't know if this is entirely good news for Cyke fans. Are we sure that Marsden is still shooting?

I do like the fact that they are extending the shoot. This way, they may be able to fine-tune or add some scenes that they were previously not going to do.

We'll see what transpires............

The one thing I like about them extending the shooting is that maybe (just maybe) now that the trailer and pictures are out, they could take into consideration the fans reaction. (e.g "dont kill Cyclops" x 4 threads)

[Daniella]

Yeah, this movies and the extended shooting doesn't mean anything for me... the movies could have been done last year or the begining of this year... and the extended time could be because Fox didn't like his death too... we still don't know if it was Fox idea... I don't think they would do it just because James was doing superman... I think if it was this way, Fox wouldn't contrat him at all...

Dany

[jusblaze21]

regardless one the extension is for its definitly a plus. i hope itz for more scences of cyclops.

[Downhere]

I do hope this means more for Cyke.

[aaron]

Me too

[Superman \S/]

Me three ^ :up:

[Octoberist]

Me Four ^ :)

[JustABill]

^Me fifteenth thousand and going to bed.

[Retroman]

lol

[pt_photo_inc]

okay i just found this page and just refuse to read 51 pages to catch up.... wait, there is more than 51???? shight! Well, reading the comics since... well, since- ummmm.... a long freaking time! But only getting really interested in Xmen with the release of Issue one (2). If you know which one i am talking about you will remember the Jim Lee talents with 6 variant covers, and the exploration of magneto ****ing **** up for the X kids and running off to astroid M. So there i have dated myself. I have gone back and read a lot more... but that was the FAN moment. And i would have to say, I have always hated CYCLOPS! He is a childish douche in love and friendships, then he is a decisive leader at battle front. I would have to dig back to what my english teacher once told me... "if you hate a character in a book, that shows you that the writer has built them up enough to get an emotional reaction out of you. And that is never bad." Comics have enough bad asses. We need more pricks! Cyclops to me is only there to make it more visible how cool some other characters are. My favorite scene ever with Cyclops was actually in a recent comic, well.... a year or so ago. But Ultimate Xmen. Wolverine and Cyclops are going at it over Jean! I mean really tearing **** up! Walls, window, each other... then suddenly as wolverine is walking out of the shadows he was blown into (shink! claws out) and Cyclops is like "you ready for this!". then with out warning there are put in a mental detention where in arrogance Cyclops says something about "I dont need your help" to the professor, and the professor is like "i just saved your life!" Then next to that would be the scene when quick silver takes the keys to his car while cyclops is trying to escape and come to rest on the hood of the convertable "hey cyclops, looks like you dont have an engine" *THHHHOOOOOOM!!!!* "Hey silver, looks like you dont have a face!" Those are classic cyclops moments. James Marsden is brillant, and in the end of X2 and the trailer of X3 he is def. stealing the show!

I guess bottom line is, I love the role he has right now. But i guess from what I hear in rumors, he pissed off somebody important and is getting knocked off quickly in this movie. Dont know if that is true, but that is what people are saying. But I think we still need him to be the boring unintresting "man on the side" he has been. Cause in real life, there is always a man on the side. And in X world it just so happens to be CYCLOPS.

Now why cant they just kill off Haley???? I cant stand her storm! but yet again another character that will never be cool, from comics to movies. Well, Ultimate X-man has been good to her.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

^
Interesting post.

But don't agree. There is more to cyclops than just whats on the surface.

Or just whats on the occasional surface aspect of his personality that very rarely will a writer pick up and run with before returning Cyclops to a 'bad-ass' attitude or a 'whiney' attitude or a 'calm and collected' attitude or seomthing else.

[MilkmanDan]

Well I do like the fact that in a medium filled with flamboyant characters, Scott is a fairly quiet, normal, understated "man on the side". However that doesn't mean he should remain as a supporting character or that he's only there to make the others look good. Subtlety should not equal blandness. Good writers know this. When written right, Cyclops is one of the most complex characters in the X-Men.

[Ions]

Again, there's no such thing as a 'bad' character, just bad writers. Lots of them about...

[pt_photo_inc]

so I take back what i said about my favorite cyclops scenes... and have included my all time favorite!!!!!

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6384/falcon1zc.jpg

If you cant read it this is how it goes

Falcon: "Hi i am the falcon here to join the xmen"\
cyclops: "what?"
F:"Way back in some forgotten crevice of marvel continuity, it was suggested that my telepathic link with my red wing here... was a super power! So here i am!
THOOOM
C: "Now your power sucks! "

[Daniella]

Hehehe... very funny...

But people, generally, doesn't know how to read Cyke... it's too bad...

Dany

[pt_photo_inc]

you give me an example of who in the marvel industry is "doing cyclops right".

[Minisinoo]

Actually, Brian Vaughn's Cyclops mini wasn't bad, in terms of his characterization. My largest complaint with it had to do with structure. If felt like a storyline that needed only 3 books and was stretched to 4, with issue #3 being mere filler. It also didn't end with quite the bang I was hoping for. But I liked his handling of the character.

In defense of my boy, Cyke is a strategist. And given his childhood experiences, his adult behavior makes a lot of psychological sense (especially when handled by a writer who does characterization better). I don't much care for where Morrison took the character. I liked Vaughn's rendition, and I also like Cyke's handling by Scott Lobdell. I know not everyone like's Lobdell's plotting, but I'm a novelist and character writer, and his grasp of Cyke's inner workings have always struck me as pretty on-the-money. (I understand he also has a degree in psychology, which might explain why.)

The nature of Cyclops' psychology means that he really works best when the focus of a storyline, because so much of his 'life' is interior. As a secondary and especially tertiary character in a storyline, he'll come off as 2D because it's not immediately obvious what's going on in his head. He's not a right out there kind of character.

Sometime back, I wrote a blog entry entitled "Why Writing Good Girls and Boys is Subversive." (http://minisinoo.livejournal.com/110028.html) It was actually aimed a bit more at popular dissing of Jean rather than Cyke (or the preference for 'bad girls' over 'nice girls' in fanfic generally) -- but gives some organized thoughts on why the so-called 'good' and 'boring' characters can be as rich for character study as the more popular 'bad boy or girl w/ the heart of gold.'

I also used that quote Ion posted above about there being no bad characters, only bad writers. ;)

--Minisinoo
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[Daniella]

Good post Mini... :)

Well, I don't think that Marvel is doing Cyclops right, not in the movie ( and no, i't isn't James fault... I'm talking about the writers... ), not in the cartoon. not even in the comics... to be truthful, I think that a writter has to know first a character before writting about it and this don't happen with most of X - men... Wolvie is well writen... Chris Claremont in Dark Phoenix saga was great too... but Cyke isn't ( writen )...

Dany

[pt_photo_inc]

i agree with most of what you both are saying... except that i support Mark Millar as a writer far more than anyone you listed. And that i have to ask Daniella... if "Well, I don't think that Marvel is doing Cyclops right, not in the movie, not in the cartoon. not even in the comics... to be truthful" then how are you sure of his character at all?

and i blame Joe Quesada for the ruining of characters in all things marvel. Because it was his call that took marvel from being a story line of continuity to a group of PULP FICTION comics. I mean you have Beast is a lion creature in one comic, a nomal looking beast in another, gay in the other, dead in another.... I mean--- how do we know what cyclops is suppose to be anymore? We just know edges of him we see... and i am by no means attacking cyclops just rather making conversation. I like him, cause i hate him.

But as far as chacters that kick ass and have plenty of depth to back them:

10. X23-X23 (claremont?)


9. Wolverine- Weapon X (by whoever did it during age of apocolypse)


8. Kaiden- NYX (quesada), but you have to read my girls fanfiction of X23!!!!! Holy **** no one is doing as good as she is with that character!

7. Cole- Steam Punk (jeff loeb)

6. Mayor Hundred- Ex Machina (Vauhgn), just read it

5. Matt Murdock- Daredevil (Brian michael bendis) watching him take over as the King pin

4. Bruce Banner- Ultimates (Mark Millar), his obsession with his work and his team... leading to the insanity that is the hulk.

3. Hulk- ULTIMATES (Mark Millar), what can i say... no one writes the PEOPLE EATING, RETARD OF MASS CONFUSION AND MUSCLE better!

2. Xavier- Ultimate Xmen (Mark Millar), looking into the twisted mind of a man with a dream and seeing him turn over the difference of pawn and student.

1. Captain America---ULTIMATES (mark millar), holy cow this cat is deep! You is a convincing world war 2 vet. With traditions and anyorisms (sp?) of such. There was no short cutting there.

[Daniella]

Well, there are fantastics writes, no doubt... Frank Miller is one, Chris Claremont and Stan Lee are too... and there's others too... maybe in the comics the writers are writting Cyclops better... But... can you say something intersting that they made Cyke do after the early years or Jean ( before the Phoenix in the 70's, 80's ), for example ??? All he does now is to be with Emma and doesn't care even for his daughter ( okay, not his... but from another world )... he didn't even defend Rachel when Emma said she shouldn't have been born... come on...

In Ultimate X - Men, he has more to do with the team and all... it's a better concept but not perfect for him...

In the movies, you can see that they developed more the Wolverine... the proof was X1 and X2... even with Dark Phoenix we will see more Wolvie and Storm that Cyke... most fans think that Cyclops in the movie didn't get to his leader form and are talking about it... if you see the first post it says just what I did... maybe not equal, but the mean is the same...

If it was more easy to do Wolvie, they didn't pick the way of doing Cyke... the movies still faults in relation to him...

Dany

[Ions]

But as far as chacters that kick ass and have plenty of depth to back them:
8. Kaiden- NYX (quesada), but you have to read my girls fanfiction of X23!!!!! Holy **** no one is doing as good as she is with that character!
4. Bruce Banner- Ultimates (Mark Millar), his obsession with his work and his team... leading to the insanity that is the hulk.

3. Hulk- ULTIMATES (Mark Millar), what can i say... no one writes the PEOPLE EATING, RETARD OF MASS CONFUSION AND MUSCLE better!

2. Xavier- Ultimate Xmen (Mark Millar), looking into the twisted mind of a man with a dream and seeing him turn over the difference of pawn and student.

1. Captain America---ULTIMATES (mark millar), holy cow this cat is deep! You is a convincing world war 2 vet. With traditions and anyorisms (sp?) of such. There was no short cutting there.I collected NYX, I thought it was pretty good.
I didn't like C.A. in Ultimates, that's got nothing to do with how he was presented or written though. I just never liked that sort of Hero.
I thought Millar's versions of Wolverine and Cyclops were pretty good. I usually find Wolverine boring. But I liked Millar's version. Same for Cyclops.

Also completely agree with Bruce Banner, he really stood out in Ultimates season 1. That was really good . Makes a nice break from the 616 Bruce who finds himself in bed with various woman lately. And really isn't some weak, neurotic science geek. :hulk::up:

[MilkmanDan]

But as far as chacters that kick ass and have plenty of depth to back them:


5. Matt Murdock- Daredevil (Brian michael bendis) watching him take over as the King pin

Actually Daredevil is usually pretty close to how Cyke should be written. An everyman with a complicated mix of an idealism, intensity and underlying instability. The big difference is that Daredevil is the centre of his own comic which have been written by very talented people.

[Daniella]

Yeah... that's the way he should have been written...

Dany

[Minisinoo]

Actually Daredevil is usually pretty close to how Cyke should be written. An everyman with a complicated mix of an idealism, intensity and underlying instability. The big difference is that Daredevil is the centre of his own comic which have been written by very talented people.

Yes, exactly. That's part of the point I was trying to make about Cyke. He's complex enough -- and internal enough -- that he requires more of a focus, and more 'screen time,' as it were.

I'm not terribly fond of Mark Millar, I must confess. My objections are partly in terms of story shaping (he's better at setting up plots than resolving them -- some of his resolutions have holes big enough to fly the X-jet through and he'll use "distraction action" as a way to cover that up). But they also concern characterization, at least in the Ult-X comics. I followed them from the very beginning of his run, and I found at least some of his characters inconsistent.

For instance (and to give a specific example, regarding Cyclops), in the first story series, we were presented with a fairly savvy, apparently streetwise Cyclops who had a gift for strategical thinking (and leadership). By issue #15, however, Millar had Xavier comment that Cyke was a D-student who got by on his other (leadership) skills. Er, no. Strategists are typically GOOD students who excell on tests in logic and also, not infrequently, mathematics. There are occasional strategists who are 'seat of the pants' thinkers, but that's not really Cyke. (I do military history, among other things, and the bulk of gifted military strategists with whom I deal are smart people: Perikles, Agesilaos, Philip II, Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Scipio Africanus, Sulla, Caesar, Belesarius ... etc.)

When creating ANY character, the author needs to be able to sit down and discuss that character's attributes, and do some homework into what skills any given 'type' of character should have. One can't do it "slap-dash," and that's often the feel I get from Millar (and other comic writers). Characters, like plots, have to hang together and be internally consistent.

--Minisinoo
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[pt_photo_inc]

I completely disagree with thoughts on Mark Millar, i think everything he does which might seem to be loops, and or holes are very intentional-- even if you go back to the very begining you see the character hinting at something that will happen way down the line. His under taking of the avengers for an ultimate line (The Ultimates) HOLY ****! I mean, i have always hated the Ultimates, talk about a subsitution and pathetic plea to get DC fans! I mean they were all freaking wierdos! But mark's take on the whole "the ultimates are a super team created so the president would look like he is taking a step towards a better tomorrrow and creating safety--- but really they just sit around all day with a billion dollar budget doing nothing until finally Bruce creates a villian to fight just so they have a goal and dont get shut down so he can still try to recreate his serum for Caps!" WAS FREAKING BRILLANT! Then having the HULK hump a building, eat three security guards and the scene where they try to kill him but lie to him... holy crap! I was teary! There is no equal in the comic industry for making fantasy stories more ONLINE with reality possibilities.

Further more, i have to disagree with daredevil and Cyclops being like personalities. Cyclops is very much the kid that is looking for acceptance through performance cause he doesnt know what it is to be loved for who he is. And in this pursuit of perfection that will lead to proof of his quality (in his head) he actually starts to believe in his own ****. He is not okay being half ass.... why? Cause he is worthless that way, and it makes his eyes twitch! He has soo many ticks and he laughs them off by petty frat boy laughs or professor X ass kissing! He is a great leader cause he focuses on other more than the mistakes and failures of himself. He tries to bring everyone up to his standards rather then just working on his own life.

that is nothing like Murdock. Murdock is pissed. Fed up, and alone. Murdock fights for justice cause no one else does. he is a good samaritan that is trying to dance with the devil. And he is learning "dance with the devil... he dont change he changes you." (8mm quote) He tries to be nice, but it keeps failing... he is stuck in a "death to smoochie" scenario where he is seemingly alone in his pursuits for goodness, making him the crazy one and everyone else seemingly sain. And it drives him mad. Every time he cracks a jaw it is like ripping into someone and screaming "I AM RIGHT!" Like winnning a debate. Like be the smarter more "JUST" one of a two man arguement.

I think cyclops is very deep... but not a bad ass, but an incomplete person with something to prove and no place to go.

[pt_photo_inc]

and i hope it is okay to share this.... i am by all means not trying to ruin this "cyclops fans" thread. I am not trying to diss the boy in his suck up thread. I hope it does not appear that way.

[Ions]

While we have this short interlude, this would be an opportune time for Retroman to pop in with some new information....


Right Retro? Got something hidden away for just such an instance?

...

Right?
fool] :marv:

[pt_photo_inc]

short interlude?

[Octoberist]

come on Retro...you can do it! :)

[Specter313]

you give me an example of who in the marvel industry is "doing cyclops right".

I really liked what Whedon did with him in Astonishing.

And he actually came across as a great leader under Bendis in House of M.

[pt_photo_inc]

i will have to read that... I didnt get into House of M, actually i am pretty much thinking about swearing off all but Ultimate titles. I need continuity.

And who is retro and what are we waiting for? Sorry.... too new.

[N_z0]

I really liked what Whedon did with him in Astonishing.

And he actually came across as a great leader under Bendis in House of M.

What exactly did Whedon do special with him? I dont' read Astonishing and don't plan to. But isn't he just basically Emma's b**** in that book. :confused:

[vanillacyke]

What exactly did Whedon do special with him? I dont' read Astonishing and don't plan to. But isn't he just basically Emma's b**** in that book. :confused:

Okay whoever gave you that information lied to you. Whedon's Cyke has had TON'S of great moments in Astonishing really really good stuff. The way everyone's written I got the feeling that Joss really liked Cyke, Colossus, and Kitty. which is great cause all three are fantastic characters.

[N_z0]

Okay whoever gave you that information lied to you. Whedon's Cyke has had TON'S of great moments in Astonishing really really good stuff. The way everyone's written I got the feeling that Joss really liked Cyke, Colossus, and Kitty. which is great cause all three are fantastic characters.

His love for Kitty is pretty evident. Basing his Buffy off of Kitty speaks volumes.

Colossus really hasn't done anything though since he was brought back, has he?

I'm not a big fan of either character anyways. Come to think of it, Beast is the only likable one (to me) in that team.

[vanillacyke]

His love for Kitty is pretty evident. Basing his Buffy off of Kitty speaks volumes.

Colossus really hasn't done anything though since he was brought back, has he?

I'm not a big fan of either character anyways. Come to think of it, Beast is the only likable one (to me) in that team.

LOL. well since he was broght back in Astonishing that was a pretty big moment which entailed three back to back issues of fantastic Colossus moments and the following arc had great Colossus stuff in it as well. Ya ought to pick up the 2 trades there just some of the best X-Stories in years. Reminds me of Claremont in his heyday. And I'm not saying the stories are written like a Claremont story, it just has the excitement and emotion you'd expect to come with an X-Men story. Now only if Claremont could write like Claremont.

[Daniella]

See, tha't what I'm talking about... the writers nowadays aren't the same... there are good writers, I'm not talking about that... but some appears to lost their appeal...

There are good stories about Cyke, but in MY OPINION, they aren't like the oldest ones...

Dany

[pt_photo_inc]

cant stand joss whedon. so i am apt. to say that i wouldnt like it, even before i read it. Joss does something i hate... he rights fantasy with rarely a desire to even shoot for applicable reality to modern day life. Plus Buffy and Angel make me want to strangle someone! But i heard serenity was good even though i refused to see it based off the fact that it looked like a poorly done soap opera, with all the POP culture cliche's of a superbad ass GIRL lead character. Joss is the kind of guy that doesnt mind being cliche... like a writer that will jump into Xmen and immediately take the story to WEAPON X, just cause they are weak, but weapon X's market is strong! It is a cop out for real talent. And those elements circle in his work.

[Retroman]

While we have this short interlude, this would be an opportune time for Retroman to pop in with some new information....


Right Retro? Got something hidden away for just such an instance?

...

Right?
fool] :marv:come on Retro...you can do it! :)

Well, Ions, October etc. Marsden is different from the other X-Men celebs. He keeps a pretty low-profile or isn't recognized that much when he's out like others are. I've seen zero sightings of him in Vancouver. I even started a thread over HNR to see if anyone had actually seen him weeks ago but got zilch.:o :down

The only hope we have about an expanded Cyclops role, is that he may have dropped out of the movie 'Bobby'. Though i must add that this still not yet 100% confirmed. I e-mailed the production company Arclight Films a few days ago but no has sent i reply. :( So i'm still a little clueless..

His name doesn't appear on the Bobby teaser poster, website or imdb + members on the forum there have said he's dropped out. You draw your conclusions....

http://www.arclightfilms.com/newsletters/afm/bobby.jpg

Source: http://www.arclightfilms.com/newsletters/afm/arclight_online.htm

His next project (Enchanted) won't start production til March sooo i hope the X3 crew utilized the time with James productively.Superman finished weeks ago. They can't say 'We could'n't get James cause he was in Sydney''. NO! The principal cast left Australia November 18th, so the X3 team in theory could have used him for 5 weeks (not counting the January shoot)

[Retroman]

^^^^OOPS!:O I spoke to soon.

James was spotted at the 'Rumor Has It' movie After-Party last week in Los Angeles.

From LA DAILY NEWS:
Article Launched: 12/23/2005 12:00:00 AM
"All those big boys have soft hearts," explained "Desperate Housewives' " Nicollette Sheridan, who's familiar with the foundation and the team.

The canine calendar, which also benefits programs sponsored by the Lakers Youth Foundation, has definitely been a hit. Half of the pictured dogs found homes this month. But will the calendar trend last?

"It's better to pose with dogs than farming equipment!" said McHale. "The dogs are cute, but I bet the Laker Girls will be back next year," added James Marsden. That may please courtside fan Jack Nicholson. Source(full article): http://www.dailynews.com/gossip/ci_3333989

[aaron]

Lol! you dropped yourself in it retro lol

[aaron]

Double post!

[Retroman]

Lol! you dropped yourself in it retro lol
yup

[pt_photo_inc]

great info. thanks

[CapBeerCino]

James was spotted at the 'Rumor Has It' movie After-Party last week in Los Angeles.


:( That means he wasn't on set when they shot those pick ups a couple days ago...

[vanillacyke]

sigh :(

[WorthyStevens]

:( That means he wasn't on set when they shot those pick ups a couple days ago...

He easily could have flown down to LA in his free time. Doesn't mean he couldn't have been onset.

[XIceman]

Wait what happens to him in this movie

[MsNatchios]

Rumour has it...he kicks the bucket.

[aaron]

Unfortunately that is the rumor :(

[pt_photo_inc]

merry christmas SHH homies!

[Cyclops3235]

Don't kill cyclops!!!! (ya first post)

[Superman \S/]

Welcome to the Hype Cyke! And yes i hope he doesn't die either.

[Cyclops3235]

thanx. still, i really have trouble believing they would kill cyclops and not jean. but then rumors also says jean dies.... but then they kill the xmens celibrity couple.... ya its pretty bad:mad:

[Daniella]

thanx. still, i really have trouble believing they would kill cyclops and not jean. but then rumors also says jean dies.... but then they kill the xmens celibrity couple.... ya its pretty bad:mad:

Well, I don't think that Cyke will die... Jean, she's Phoenix and sice the Phoenix isn't an entity, she'll always come back... it's probably Xavier...

Dany

[Cyclops3235]

true

:spidey: idea, what if its jeans funeral? thye dont no shes alive yet, so maybe......:eek:

[Wolverini]

Or Cyclops left the X-MEN to search for his wife? He has no bonds , the Professor expelled him because Scott couldn't focus on his work anymore.

It makes sense ... Jean returns to the Mansion... and Wolverine gets sent out to find Cyclops and tell him the good news! Only to find his glasses floating in mid-air and realising something fishy is going on.

[lordofthenerds]

Or Cyclops left the X-MEN to search for his wife? He has no bonds , the Professor expelled him because Scott couldn't focus on his work anymore.

It makes sense ... Jean returns to the Mansion... and Wolverine gets sent out to find Cyclops and tell him the good news! Only to find his glasses floating in mid-air and realising something fishy is going on.
I like that idea.:up:

[Quidam]

Or Cyclops left the X-MEN to search for his wife? He has no bonds , the Professor expelled him because Scott couldn't focus on his work anymore.

It makes sense ... Jean returns to the Mansion... and Wolverine gets sent out to find Cyclops and tell him the good news! Only to find his glasses floating in mid-air and realising something fishy is going on.


I can't see the Professor expelling Scott particularly when they've got this father/son type of relationship. The Professor might suggest that Scott take some time off or Scott will willingly step down and hand the reigns over to Wolverine.

[Cyclops3235]

can't see the Professor expelling Scott particularly when they've got this father/son type of relationship. The Professor might suggest that Scott take some time off or Scott will willingly step down and hand the reigns over to Wolverine.

Wolverine? i think storm before wolverine.

[Quidam]

So would I but I'm going off of the Avi interview on the F4 DVD where he says that (MINOR SPOILER...)














Wolverine will be forced to do something he hates- lead. (paraphrased a bit there).

[ironmaidenrules]

scott should spend nearly 10 hours a day training in the danger room and gettign even more strict on missions

i want him to flip out on a new students mistake that would have ruined the whole mission(danegr room mission)

then xavier calls scott into his office and tells him that he needs to get his **** together

scott goes on about how he can still feel jean and how he knows she's alive

xavier goes on about how he/cerebro cant sense her and thinks scott must be mistaken

scott storms out yelling about how he cant live xavier's dream at the cost of his own and storms out

xavier:where are you going?
scott: to find my wife

and then we cue wolvie going to scott...trying to comfort him

scott goes crazy cause wolvie is a total dick

[MilkmanDan]

Further more, i have to disagree with daredevil and Cyclops being like personalities. Cyclops is very much the kid that is looking for acceptance through performance cause he doesnt know what it is to be loved for who he is. And in this pursuit of perfection that will lead to proof of his quality (in his head) he actually starts to believe in his own ****. He is not okay being half ass.... why? Cause he is worthless that way, and it makes his eyes twitch! He has soo many ticks and he laughs them off by petty frat boy laughs or professor X ass kissing! He is a great leader cause he focuses on other more than the mistakes and failures of himself. He tries to bring everyone up to his standards rather then just working on his own life.

that is nothing like Murdock. Murdock is pissed. Fed up, and alone. Murdock fights for justice cause no one else does. .

True. Murdock is more pissed and fed up. That's probably because he mostly fights alone. Cyclops has friends and team-mates to rely on and to carry on if he dies. That doesn't mean he's not fed up. Cyclops is not really a leader or an adventurer by choise. He's a man with a job and responsibilities he doesn't like. Like a soldier waiting for a the war to end so he can go back and get a real life.

I still think the similarities between DD and Cyke are quite strong. Even the perfectionism as a way of looking for acceptance. Murdock spend years trying to prove his father what a good boy he is, and in many ways he probably still does it.

[chamber-music]

scott should spend nearly 10 hours a day training in the danger room and gettign even more strict on missions

i want him to flip out on a new students mistake that would have ruined the whole mission(danegr room mission)

then xavier calls scott into his office and tells him that he needs to get his **** together

scott goes on about how he can still feel jean and how he knows she's alive

xavier goes on about how he/cerebro cant sense her and thinks scott must be mistaken

scott storms out yelling about how he cant live xavier's dream at the cost of his own and storms out

xavier:where are you going?
scott: to find my wife

and then we cue wolvie going to scott...trying to comfort him

scott goes crazy cause wolvie is a total dick

It would be awesome if scott optic blasts wolverine

[Cyclops3235]

ya it would

[pt_photo_inc]

*read Ultimate Xmen # something..... Wolverine vs. Cyclops)*


scott gets his ass handed to him.... but only after landing a few skin peeling blast!

[ShadowBoxing]

*read Ultimate Xmen # something..... Wolverine vs. Cyclops)*


scott gets his ass handed to him.... but only after landing a few skin peeling blast!Read almost every 616 X-Men Wolvie vs Cyclops. Astonishing #1, UXM 175, UXM 115? come to mind. Cyclops routinely hands Wolvie his a$$

[Cyclops3235]

Read almost every 616 X-Men Wolvie vs Cyclops. Astonishing #1, UXM 175, UXM 115? come to mind. Cyclops routinely hands Wolvie his a$$




i like the sound of that:cyclops:

[pt_photo_inc]

UXM what? ultimate xmen what?

[Ions]

UXM what? ultimate xmen what?UXM = Uncanny X-men. :xmen:

[Spider-Nerd]

so is cyke gonna die or what? I really haven't kept up with the 3rd movie like I did with one and two.

[pt_photo_inc]

UXM = Uncanny X-men. :xmen:
ohhhhh.... dont read that... well dont read it anymore.

[cookiva]

so is cyke gonna die or what? I really haven't kept up with the 3rd movie like I did with one and two.

We dont know....Anyone who flat out says that he is going to die doesnt know either. The only people who know are Fox and the people near the set....

[larryfilmmaker]

ultimate x-men 32... cyke kicks wolvie's ass with a look

[MsNatchios]

I'm stealing this from a thread in the X-World forums:

http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0000csdp

[vanillacyke]

LMAO!!!! Hahaha according to this thread, all anti-Cyke fans can kiss Cyke's ass.

[E.K.]

Ok, I think it's been established that most people hate Cyke but still feel he is needed. I agree, I've never been a fan but the facts stand, he is one of the most important characters in the whole x-verse. Marsden is capable, he's made Cyke a more enjoyable character in the few things he's had to do in the films, he was good at being emotional and emotionless, strict and sarcastic. I want to see him in a proper fight, and with the amount of action promised for x:3 this should happen, it's known that cyke can beat almost anyone (certainly every x-man) in a one-on-one, so the hardest should be allowed to fight.

[ShadowBoxing]

Pfft he is so dead in this film its not even funny

[xwolverine2]

Pfft he is so dead in this film its not even funny
LOL!....

look at it this way.......AT LEAST HES NOT IN A PERMENENT COMA!:up: :p

[larryfilmmaker]

I'm stealing this from a thread in the X-World forums:

http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0000csdp

dude cyke made wolvie look like an *******. in all fairness, due to wolvie's huge popularity, they'd never have anybody embarrass him like this again... same with batman. If you wanna talk about Cyke vs. Wolvie... it's really a silly topic, because the fight goes however the writer chooses for it to. In 2005, Cyclops doesn't get nearly as much credit or respect as he used to... and so they'd probably have the runt beatin the one eye... probably.

[ShadowBoxing]

dude cyke made wolvie look like an *******. in all fairness, due to wolvie's huge popularity, they'd never have anybody embarrass him like this again... same with batman. If you wanna talk about Cyke vs. Wolvie... it's really a silly topic, because the fight goes however the writer chooses for it to. In 2005, Cyclops doesn't get nearly as much credit or respect as he used to... and so they'd probably have the runt beatin the one eye... probably.Well Astonishing #1 certainly was not going in Wolverine favor....oh and Cyclops actually put Batman down in Access

[xwolverine2]

CYKE won the battle but not the war......

makes cyke look like an ass in my opinion......and he sort of cheated

[Eros]

Well Astonishing #1 certainly was not going in Wolverine favor....oh and Cyclops actually put Batman down in Access

i think he meant Wolverine popualrity has surpassed any other in marvel save for spiderman. Thus wolverine is now an avenger and still has time to apear or star in numerous other marvel titles. He is truly the best at what he does. Cyclops is not on that level of popularity [ and he will never be], but lets just get back on topic.

[ShadowBoxing]

CYKE won the battle but not the war......

makes cyke look like an ass in my opinion......and he sort of cheatedcause he used his powers....thats kinda what he does

[vanillacyke]

Back on topic eh? okay Cyclops is great James Marsden is great if I knew James Marsden I'd refer to him as Mr. Summers and ask if I could be Alex. Then I'd be thrown in jail and given a restraining order.

[xwolverine2]

cause he used his powers....thats kinda what he does
no, i meant that jeany helped him out...:up:

[Eros]

Back on topic eh? okay Cyclops is great James Marsden is great if I knew James Marsden I'd refer to him as Mr. Summers and ask if I could be Alex. Then I'd be thrown in jail and given a restraing order.

I respect mardsen alot, and respect Cyclops..in the comics alot. Movie cyclops form what scenes hes been in.....is dull and makes me wonder why jean even was with him. His girl likes another guy, and the best he can do about it is tell wolverine to fill up the bike himself?:confused: I find movie cyke to be a pussy, and dull. His comicbook self atleast was an ass with a big purpose. Now hes lost his girlfirend...and he apparently hes also lost soap and a razor in X-3.

[ShadowBoxing]

no, i meant that jeany helped him out...:up:In Astonishing X-Men #1 Jean Grey was dead

and furthermore in that issue there Jean was in no way influencing the battle. However, if you want a "fair fight" check the Savage Land issues...Cyclops hands Wolverine his butt there...oh and then again in the Proteus issues....then again in 175

Wolverine admitted himself the one X-Man he was afraid of was Cyclops

trust me I own every single UXM from about 100 on

Wolverine is the butt of every fight. Gambit beat him to a pulp right after and then again about 7 issues later.

Archangel handed Wolverine his butt in Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda

Anyone who thinks Wolverine is "the best at what he does" and can thrash it with the best of the Marvel's X-Men, does not read X-Men

[xwolverine2]

In Astonishing X-Men #1 Jean Grey was dead

and furthermore in that issue there Jean was in no way influencing the battle. However, if you want a "fair fight" check the Savage Land issues...Cyclops hands Wolverine his butt there...oh and then again in the Proteus issues....then again in 175,
i was talking about the pic...:confused:
His girl likes another guy, and the best he can do about it is tell wolverine to fill up the bike himself?

thats true!!! he always finds wolverine practically grabbing jeans ass...then he says some silly remarke .....and OUT THE DOOR HE GOES...its almost as if hes scared of wolvie (i dont blame him)

[Eros]

i was talking about the pic...:confused:


thats true!!! he always finds wolverine practically grabbing jeans ass...then he says some silly remarke .....and OUT THE DOOR HE GOES...its almost as if hes scared of wolvie (i dont blame him)

i think cyke is afriad of him, im half expecting cylops to be wolverines cabana boy in X-3.

Wolverine:Ge me a condom so i can go bang your reincarnated girlfirend.

Cyclops:Get it yourself [leaves room]

[xwolverine2]

i think cyke is afriad of him, im half expecting cylops to be wolverines cabana boy in X-3.

Wolverine:Ge me a condom so i can go bang your reincarnated girlfirend.

Cyclops:Get it yourself [leaves room]
LOL..

i shouldnt laugh..it might happen.

[ironmaidenrules]

was the exact wording "demolecularization? or something?

what if she just messes him up and misplaces his molecules somewhere else and people think he's dead and he carries on another adventure that leads to them stoping jean

like jean knew scott was the only one that could get to her so while part of her tried to kill him the other part saved his life by putting in in the right direction or some ****

we need to have the **** flying around town and scott waling to her giving his whole "i love you" speech and going on about how he's always gonna be there for her no matter what even as she's tossing cars at him

then leech and rogue weaken jean and with a single tear scott fires an optic blast at jean knocking her out cold...giving xavier time to invade her mind

ugh why cant it be that way?


i dont even see why wolvie is in this movie

[xwolverine2]

he carries on another adventure
i smell a spin-off!!

The Lonely Adventures Of Cyclops

[ironmaidenrules]

i smell a spin-off!!

The Lonely Adventures Of Cyclops


its just gonna be him and his father working in a space junkyard putting together junk to make faux space ships

its called summers and son

expect it on the WB this coming fall to take Angel's old time slot and expect it to be canceled this coming Fall 2nd quarter where it'd be replaced by the gilmore girls spin off called gilmore boys(its about the daughter in the future dying and her husband takes care of their son)

back on topic


go read my other post

[MsNatchios]

no, i meant that jeany helped him out...:up:
Jean didn't help Cyke beat the crap outta Wolverine...he did that all on his own. If you actually read the panels, Jean was only in on the plan and was supposed to bail him out if he needed her help, but obviously he didn't.

[Eros]

since i feel sorry for cyclops, and him being a wuss and all heres how i would end the X-3 movie.


the movie will end with everyone beaten and battered [X-men,Brotherhood, bad mutants etc] watching Cyclops [if hes alive] talking to jean as her powers grow. She is surrounded by flames, and a desperate cylops trys to tell her she does not have to go. Phoenix/Jean smiles at him and then whipers a sad goodbye, and then surrounded by fire she begins to rise up to the sky. Cyclops screams out, but jean is to far gone and with everyone in the movie looking on Phoneix flys off into space. For that moment all mutants and the human soldiers, realize what is going on. They look at each other, and look at what they have done to themselves and each other. Cyclops drops to his knees and crys his powerful optic blasts break through his shades illuminateing the night sky....knowing that will be the last time he sees her. The other surviveing X-men come up to him, and try and comfort him. Beast tells cyclops he should not worry or be sad, and Cyclops [still in tears] asks him.

Cyclops: "Where do you think she is going Beast?"

Beast:"where all Gods go."

The statement soothes cyclops, and the scene ends with the various other mutants backing off from the battle. The beaten goverment soldiers do not try and stop them and for now a war has been avoided.

[Star]

ok, pretty sure that would be lame... if they're going to realism, jean flying into space= bad idea

'where all gods go' ... yeah, no..

[xwolverine2]

The beaten goverment soldiers do not try and stop them and for now a war has been avoided.

why does the government have to get beat up?:(

[Eros]

ok, pretty sure that would be lame... if they're going to realism, jean flying into space= bad idea

'where all gods go' ... yeah, no..

because we all now how real this entire story is.

[Star]

don't even try to act all greater then thou with this.

we both know they tried to go with a more realistic, believable version of the x-men.

[Eros]

don't even try to act all greater then thou with this.

we both know they tried to go with a more realistic, believable version of the x-men.

what scene in X1 or X2 came off as realistic and believable?

[cookiva]

what scene in X1 or X2 came off as realistic and believable?


Compared to the comics.....pretty much every single shot/scene/sequence....

[Star]

i am seriously so close to hunting you down in a rage....

err, i mean..

what im saying, is that they went with a MORE believable version of the x-men instead of the time traveling, goddess fighting, and other incredibly impossible doing characters from the comics..

[Eros]

i am seriously so close to hunting you down in a rage....

err, i mean..

what im saying, is that they went with a MORE believable version of the x-men instead of the time traveling, goddess fighting, and other incredibly impossible doing characters from the comics..

i personlly think they should have went with that stuff...as thats why people see these movies.:supes:

[cookiva]

i personlly think they should have went with that stuff...as thats why people see these movies.:supes:

Well, I, personally, think that you should never step near a video camera in your life. People dont just see movies for action, action, action.

The point for movies is to emmerse you into their idea. Make you feel like you are there.

[ironmaidenrules]

i like my ending better

[larryfilmmaker]

don't even try to act all greater then thou with this.

we both know they tried to go with a more realistic, believable version of the x-men.


realistic my ass. in reality, not every single event that happens in the world and in everybody's lives is somehow connected to one man's mysterious past while everybody around him has no personality. I just saw the trailer for X3 and I gotta say... it looks just flat out like a bad movie. I'm not gonna say STREETFIGHTER THE MOVIE... but it looks similar in that it's just all over the place and everybody looks cheesier than ever. Has anybody else noticed this? Beast looks like a guy in makeup... and while that's exactly what he is, that sort of means the makeup isn't doing anything.

[larryfilmmaker]

i am seriously so close to hunting you down in a rage....

err, i mean..

what im saying, is that they went with a MORE believable version of the x-men instead of the time traveling, goddess fighting, and other incredibly impossible doing characters from the comics..

okay fair enough... there's some truth in that.

[cookiva]

realistic my ass. in reality, not every single event that happens in the world and in everybody's lives is somehow connected to one man's mysterious past while everybody around him has no personality. I just saw the trailer for X3 and I gotta say... it looks just flat out like a bad movie. I'm not gonna say STREETFIGHTER THE MOVIE... but it looks similar in that it's just all over the place and everybody looks cheesier than ever. Has anybody else noticed this? Beast looks like a guy in makeup... and while that's exactly what he is, that sort of means the makeup isn't doing anything.

1) I guess that our inferior minds cant see this, no.

2) Big time opinion, from a big time loser....

[MsNatchios]

Cyclops: "Where do you think she is going Beast?"

Beast:"where all Gods go."
Looks like someone was taking notes at the George Lucas School of Dialogue.

[StevieNicks1988]

From the looks of the Wizard pic and seeing that Beast is wearing what he's wearing at the funeral, as is Wolverine, and looks like Storm too, and since Professor X is there and no Jean, I say that the ever-suspicious funeral scene is indeed Jean Grey's seeing as Scott and Jean are the only two missing and seeing as Professor X is slated to die ultimately, and he's alive, then there you go.

[larryfilmmaker]

1) I guess that our inferior minds cant see this, no.

2) Big time opinion, from a big time loser....

relax. it's movie talk... not worth getting offensive over.

[ironmaidenrules]

hey man movie talk killed my father and raped my mother

[Slim_X]

i smell a spin-off!!

The Lonely Adventures Of Cyclops
Maybe a tv series, "Everybody hates Scott" :confused:

[larryfilmmaker]

hey man movie talk killed my father and raped my mother

okay okay THIS guy has reason to get worked up over movie talk... but only THIS guy.

[Ions]

From the looks of the Wizard pic and seeing that Beast is wearing what he's wearing at the funeral, as is Wolverine, and looks like Storm too, and since Professor X is there and no Jean, I say that the ever-suspicious funeral scene is indeed Jean Grey's seeing as Scott and Jean are the only two missing and seeing as Professor X is slated to die ultimately, and he's alive, then there you go.There is the case of the fact Jean(well Phoenix) will side with Magneto, so there is no reason for her to go to Scotts funeral where Xavier is, and the X-men. So it could be Scotts funeral. :( :down

[N_z0]

Storm's wearing a skirt in the funeral pic, pants on that Wizard pic. If anything, the Wizard pic, along with the balcony pic with Storm outside and Storm hugging Leech are all in the same timeline.

[larryfilmmaker]

There is the case of the fact Jean(well Phoenix) will side with Magneto, so there is no reason for her to go to Scotts funeral where Xavier is, and the X-men. So it could be Scotts funeral. :( :down


It's either Jean's funeral at the beginning of the movie (but why would Beast be there?) or Xavier's funeral at the end. (in my opinion) I still can't see the teamleader getting so dumbed on after 2 movies of already having been treated like crap... but they just might kill him off. Hell, they added Psylocke during RESHOOTS (don't expect great character development there), Juggs is a mutant?, Storm and Wolvie are team leaders, and Phoenix is just a bad guy henchman... so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cyke is dead. Like I said, I really think this movie looks like a big half assed jumbled up Street Fighter: The Movie.

[Iceman]

It's either Jean's funeral at the beginning of the movie (but why would Beast be there?) or Xavier's funeral at the end. (in my opinion) I still can't see the teamleader getting so dumbed on after 2 movies of already having been treated like crap... but they just might kill him off. Hell, they added Psylocke during RESHOOTS (don't expect great character development there), Juggs is a mutant?, Storm and Wolvie are team leaders, and Phoenix is just a bad guy henchman... so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cyke is dead. Like I said, I really think this movie looks like a big half assed jumbled up Street Fighter: The Movie.

I think the AICN script mentioned flashback involving Beast & Jean so they may have known each other

[N_z0]

The Psylocke scenes seem to have been filmed weeks before. It's just being reported now.

The reshoots wouldn't start til after the production comes back from the holidays. The exact date might have been mentioned somewhere.

[larryfilmmaker]

I think the AICN script mentioned flashback involving Beast & Jean so they may have known each other

that would make sense... since they were both pro mutant activists... I'd have to guess that it's Jean's funeral now at the beginning and that it's taking place while Cyclops refuses to give up at the Alkali lakes... maybe they go into his and Jean's "mental connection" and he knows she's still alive somehow?

[Iceman]

that would make sense... since they were both pro mutant activists... I'd have to guess that it's Jean's funeral now at the beginning and that it's taking place while Cyclops refuses to give up at the Alkali lakes... maybe they go into his and Jean's "mental connection" and he knows she's still alive somehow?

I also think that the funeral is Jean's - I just can't believe that Fox would seriously be stupid enough to put a funeral scene into a trailer unless it was for a character that audiences already believed to be dead.

Cyclops being at Alkali Lake also makes sense - he did look pretty upset in the trailer ie not quite thinking straight. I'm worried that this might be one of his only scenes as I think Alkali Lake could be the last place we see him.

[Cyclops3235]

i thinkthis is how it goes (and wish). its jeans funeral, scott goes to the lake, he sees Jean. Jean accidentaly hurts scott, and the brotherhood finds them. one of magnetos new mutants puts the image that jean killed scott into her head. they kidnap scott. x-men find jean. jean thinks she killed scott. she finds out about shields, gets angry, joins brotherhood. big fights, scott escapes brotherhood after great fight with juggernaut. Scott returns jean to senses, they team up and beat magneto. only jean already killed xaiver. big funeral. end movie:cyclops:

[Iceman]

i thinkthis is how it goes (and wish). its jeans funeral, scott goes to the lake, he sees Jean. Jean accidentaly hurts scott, and the brotherhood finds them. one of magnetos new mutants puts the image that jean killed scott into her head. they kidnap scott. x-men find jean. jean thinks she killed scott. she finds out about shields, gets angry, joins brotherhood. big fights, scott escapes brotherhood after great fight with juggernaut. Scott returns jean to senses, they team up and beat magneto. only jean already killed xaiver. big funeral. end movie:cyclops:

I think nearly everyone here wants Cyclops to survive the movie but I fear that it is only wishful thinking from some of the things we have heard.

btw How sure is anyone that the reported deaths are Cyclops, Xavier & Magneto - Is this still pure speculation?

[cookiva]

Speculation, yo...

[Cyclops3235]

im not sure. the biggest rumor is cyclops, but others say xaiver. not that much stuff on either of them

[Iceman]

Speculation, yo...

Are we guaranteed a minimum of 3 deaths (vaguely thinking back to comments on AICN draft) or could it be less??

If it's 3 then I think Cyke's dust

[cookiva]

Wizard said 2 deaths, 3 depowerings....but Wizard is known to not have the best info sometimes...

[Iceman]

Really !

In that case I hope Magneto & 1 other dies (not Cyclops)
Depowering: Mystique & 2 brotherhood members

I don't mind if an X-Man gets temporarily depowered but don't want to see any of them permanently lose their powers

- could you give me a link to the Wizard article - I missed it

[CapBeerCino]

I dont like Patrick Stewart latest on X-3: "It has a number of quite significant deaths. [From] what I've seen so far, I think, it's likely to be extraordinary."

It's so hard to stay optimistic...

[x-alias]

Everyone must channel positive energy to Cyclops! He must live!

[Cyclops3235]

can someone post a link to the article:cyclops:

[Electrix]

Everyone must channel positive energy to Cyclops! He must live!

Too late! Its been filmed

[Cyclops3235]

Too late! Its been filmed

its never to late! Blasphemy!!!!!!!!:cyclops:

[Electrix]

There are pick ups I suppose...

[larryfilmmaker]

Who are the most likely to be on the "DEAD" list?

Cyclops? Mystique? Magneto? Jean Grey? Xavier?

[Cyclops3235]

i guess mostly its cyclops.........

[lordofthenerds]

Who are the most likely to be on the "DEAD" list?

Cyclops? Mystique? Magneto? Jean Grey? Xavier?
Yeah those are the mutants that are most likely to die. Pyro has been rumored to die also and Storm has been rumored to be cured.

[StevieNicks1988]

I'm guessing if it had to be that, then I'm guessing:

Deaths: Professor X and Jean Grey (as its the Phoenix story and she sacrifices herself)
Depowerings: Mystique, Pyro and Rogue.

OR

Deaths: Professor X and Mystique.
Depowerings: Mystique, Rogue and Storm.

OR

Deaths: Professor X and Magneto.
Depowerings: Angel, Mystique and Rogue.

[XBoy]

If anything I REALLY think that this movie will have a lot of surprises. I've said that before and I'll say it again. They wouldn't show any footage in the teaser trailer if they knew that all the fans would figure out the CONTEXT of that footage.

It's all to mislead. Things have changed so much already, anything is possible, so I'm not assuming anything at this point.

[larryfilmmaker]

If anything I REALLY think that this movie will have a lot of surprises. I've said that before and I'll say it again. They wouldn't show any footage in the teaser trailer if they knew that all the fans would figure out the CONTEXT of that footage.

It's all to mislead. Things have changed so much already, anything is possible, so I'm not assuming anything at this point.


I might catch some crap for this... but in all fairness... the X-Men movies haven't thrown us any curve balls, interesting plot twists, or fun surprises. Going into X-2 I knew I was about to watch a movie where Wolverine had all the screen time, good lines, and he was guaranteed to save teh day at the end... "No, not that way... THIS way". I knew Storm would have a bigger part cuz of Halle's lobbying, and I knew we wouldn't get much Cyke or Xavier. Guess what? Those all turned out to be true. As much as I wish these were great storytelling movies that were meant for the true fans of X-Men, I don't think they are. I think they are meant to be popcorn movies with a few nerdy references... and that being said, no popcorn movie lovers are trying to figure out the movie by watching the teasers... only the hardcore fans are... so don't expect much in the way of surprises on this one. It's all just my opinion, but I think what we see is what we'll get.

[Brad_Lewis]

Nice way of thinking of the whole thing, in general. I do think Avi has begun looking at abit more shock value on this one though. Or, maybe even laying some ground work for sole movie ei; new x-team. But, yeah i agree the fns get robbed abit more than anyone here, but you have to feed the masses too.

[Ions]

So.... Retro any new news? :o
[Ions wants more news]

[Endeavor]

bump

[Octoberist]

Thank you. I should of bumped this thread but I got too lazy :p

[Endeavor]

YW

How's it going Octo?

[peteapan]

Boo, new pics no cyclops. How much id give for them to release just one of him in gear or something. Even if it turned out to be a lie. Hope is important

[Octoberist]

YW

How's it going Octo?

Nothing much. Just chillin'!

[Endeavor]

Same here :-)

[Octoberist]

Just thinking on how I would walk out of the theater if Cyclops died in the first 10 minutes. I was thinking about strutting or skipping. Or course, either my buds or my girlfriend would have to follow suite.

[Endeavor]

Heheh

You should deffinitely skip... and take a picnic basquet and a red hood n cape
;)

[ironmaidenrules]

i'll run out screaming like a crazy man

bet u'd be pissed if he comes back to life during the last 20 minutes and has the best scenes ever

[Endeavor]

Cyclops dying off in the begining = :down
Cyclops only seeming to be dead and being absent from most of the film only to be revealed alive towards the end also = :down

Either scenario sucks monkey butt

[HughJackFan420]

i don't know if this has already been mentioned but in the trailer it seems Cyke might die. he only appears at the lake in the trailer screaming and blasting his optic blast. but no more Scott Summers throughout the rest of the trailer. Please Brett don't kill off Cyke.

[newwaveboy87]

that's been brought up many times.

[HughJackFan420]

yeah but is their any official word of what will happen to him?

[HughJackFan420]

u know what though as far as my fear of Cyclops dying in what looks like the beginning i think there were rumors of him dying when he sees Jean again or Phoenix Dark Phoenix whatever. but i remember seeing a concept drawing of Juggernaut knocking cyclops through a wall. and cyclops trying to stop him by shooting his optic blasts so that kind of relieves my fear of Cyke dying.

[newwaveboy87]

yeah but is their any official word of what will happen to him?
no official word yet.
it looks like Cyclops is biting the dust, but we don't know for 100% certainty.

this could also be a ploy of the Fox marketing department.

[larryfilmmaker]

I just read a quote from Rattner about X3... "More comedy and more action... less confusing storylines"

Ha, with that, I'm guessing Cyke is dead because this guy is taking every low and easy road possible.

"We'll throw the cheese and popular characters at the audience and screw the others... and don't let up for 2 hours... they fell for it the first 2 times... now we'll go full throttle." Ha, that's my guess for his next quote.

[cookiva]

....I just LOVE Ratner haters....

So silly...

[newwaveboy87]

hmmm....i don't recall Ratner saying that.
this is seemingly an awfully lot like the Halle bashers and their ability to turn any quote into an insult.

L A M E
:o

[cookiva]

That guy, Larrythefilmaker, is just a mad Canmag fan. Pissed off at Seeker, he plans to ruin SHH by lying...

[newwaveboy87]

*sigh*

damn trolls

[tonytr1687]

Here's the thing...either way we lose. Cyke dies in the beginning and stays dead = bad. Cyke seems to be dead and is absent until the end where he turns out alive = bad. That last one b/c we practically saw that in X2 and we don't need to see the same thing again. Cyclops doesn't have to be a main character on par with Wolvie in the first two flicks but he should at least have a fair amount of presence throughout the whole movie ala Jean or Nighty in X2. But it doesn't look like we'll be getting that. I can only hope for him to turn out alive during the climax, because while it still sucks, it's better than him being dead.

[Retroman]

So.... Retro any new news? :o
[Ions wants more news]
Zilch.:down

bump
He Endeavour.:)

[Retroman]

Here's the thing...either way we lose. Cyke dies in the beginning and stays dead = bad. Cyke seems to be dead and is absent until the end where he turns out alive = bad. That last one b/c we practically saw that in X2 and we don't need to see the same thing again. Cyclops doesn't have to be a main character on par with Wolvie in the first two flicks but he should at least have a fair amount of presence throughout the whole movie ala Jean or Nighty in X2. But it doesn't look like we'll be getting that. I can only hope for him to turn out alive during the climax, because while it still sucks, it's better than him being dead.
True.

[larryfilmmaker]

ehh... i said I was joking about the second quote. Here's the first one tho, from Filmthreat.com:

"I'm really not looking forward to this new sequel. Call me skeptical, but knowing Ratner will be directing this doesn't instill a sense of confidence in me. And the fact he declared "More comedy, more action and less complicated story" really does make me weary."

I'm not out to misquote or misjudge... but I'm a huge fan of films and I don't like seeing shortcuts or politics. YOU CAN'T ARGUE that there's no connection between who the movie stars are and who the team leaders are... ope... SAME PEOPLE. It's Hollywood bull****... it happens all the time... and there's no REAL reason why Cyclops, Xavier, and Jean Grey (the only 3 original and almost always active X-Men) aren't the stars of these movies. Really, think back to a time before X1. BEFORE it was about the lone wolf and his silly mysterious pasts and one liners. Think hard. Remember hard... remember it? It was a TEAM story and it didn't focus on any one guy. It was about racism and teamwork. Yeah, I'm angry about the fact that such a great story has been turned into a silly, 2 dimensional trainwreck. (in my humble opinion)

[newwaveboy87]

i don't recall his saying "less complicated storylines"

[the_scream]

Yeah, I'm angry about the fact that such a great story has been turned into a silly, 2 dimensional trainwreck. (in my humble opinion)

Spot on! We can only hope that in the future, X-Men will be treated with the dignity Nolan showed Batman. Everyone thought Burton's vision was the definitive one and thought 3 and 4 should have been more like 1 and 2. Now people realise even Burton got it wrong - even though he nailed certain aspects. Singer is thought to have made the X-Men universe and he DID do a great job. However, it is not the best X-Men movie that could be made.

If I were making an X-Men movie, I would take the audience back to the beginning with Scott and Jean discovering their powers and finding safety with Charles. Later, Beast, Iceman and Angel could be introduced to form the first X-Men team. The sequel could introduce Wolverine, Storm and Rogue. In 3, it would be a free for all, with the original team taking a backseat to some new characters.

[jusblaze21]

how about we wait till the movie comes out, and if ratner doesnt do a good job, then bash him, i have faith in this movie, and im not judging anyone until i see it with my own eyes.

[Octoberist]

Long Live Cyclops!

[Galadhlight]

I think it's too easy to criticize an actor who supposedly isn't acting or has been cast by a director. I think the director and writing have alot to do with all comic movies. I not only completely protest the death of cyclops if that ever happens but I also agree with a number of you about his lack of "presence". What i mean is that here he is not allowed any hint of how much a physical threat he is. Cyclops is given the shaft in putting up a decent fight (other than against the x-men). Not only that he is seeming is only there to essentially be a pain in the butt to wolverine and throw out commands. The only thing we have been allowed to see of cyclops is a guy who teaches kids and somehow has the affection of the lovely Jean Grey. He is not a three-dimensional character and it's almost as if every appearance in the film is a cameo appearance. I mean Storm's character is pretty shaky in the first one as well but she almost has more depth between the two films then Cyclops. Cyclops really has been given the shaft in the whole bit. He may be irritating both in the comics and the movies as leader (that's my personal opinion) but he really has been forced into a secondary place where he shouldn't be. A director who kills off cyke needs his head examined. I mean the fans will go berserk and that is usually where they get their money if they aren't able to appeal more to people who don't read the comics. Thank you for your time

[jusblaze21]

I Dont Think Ratner Being The Comic Book Fan He Is, Would Kill Off Cyclops, I Have A Feeling That Was More Of Idea Presented By Fox, I Jus Hope Ratner Doesnt Let Fox Interfere Too Much.

[Endeavor]

Zilch.:down


He Endeavour.:)

Wassup Retro?
I saw you finally got kudos in the front page. About time! ;) :up:

[the_scream]

I'm sure some of you know this but it makes me angry it was cut:

Angel, the winged mutant who's been in the X-Men since issue #1 on and off, was again in both movies for lots of drafts. He came closest to being seen in X2 though, as Michael Dougherty explained:"I know some people wish Cyclops had been in the second movie more... and he was going to be, because he was supposed to wake up in a cell in Stryker's lair." There he was going to start talking to an unidentified mutant who was imprisoned in the cell next to him, who would eventually have revealed his name - Warren. After Cyclops' escape in this draft, he blasted through the wall to reveal Angel being held next to him. Sadly because of budget concerns Angel was cut again, although x-rays of his winged skeleton remain in the Weapon X lab in the movie.

[larryfilmmaker]

I'm sure some of you know this but it makes me angry it was cut:

Angel, the winged mutant who's been in the X-Men since issue #1 on and off, was again in both movies for lots of drafts. He came closest to being seen in X2 though, as Michael Dougherty explained:"I know some people wish Cyclops had been in the second movie more... and he was going to be, because he was supposed to wake up in a cell in Stryker's lair." There he was going to start talking to an unidentified mutant who was imprisoned in the cell next to him, who would eventually have revealed his name - Warren. After Cyclops' escape in this draft, he blasted through the wall to reveal Angel being held next to him. Sadly because of budget concerns Angel was cut again, although x-rays of his winged skeleton remain in the Weapon X lab in the movie.

That actually sounds really cool... it shows a character being self sufficient (well, he IS the leader) and it would be a great way to bring Angel into the mix on one end while Nightcrawler is joining the team with the others. Budget smudget... now where's it going this time around? On Beast? I'd get my money back...

[the_scream]

Get rid of the crappy tornedo scene with Storm (ridiculous that jet fighters would/could continue to pursue them with 50 tornedoes buzzing around) and give us more X-Men screentime. I agree, having Cyclops find Angel, rescue the Professor and escape (even if captured again) would have been a nice B story.

[N_z0]

I think Cyclops' escape (with Warren) in X2 was also an illusion from Jason/Mutant 143.

[Specter313]

Get rid of the crappy tornedo scene with Storm (ridiculous that jet fighters would/could continue to pursue them with 50 tornedoes buzzing around) and give us more X-Men screentime. I agree, having Cyclops find Angel, rescue the Professor and escape (even if captured again) would have been a nice B story.

Well, where else were they supposed to go? From their vantage point, the only clear sky was straight in front of them as all they could see was tornadoes every other direction.

[the_scream]

It's just dumb that they continue to pursue the jet and try to take it down with missiles. Any other fighter would retreat or be too occupied trying to control their fighters. And don't get me started on Storm's method of stopping the fighters which could have easily ended their lives. That whole sequence was terrible. Not surprising the producers were the ones that came up with it.

[TNC9852002]

It's kill or be killed, scream!...Everyone knows that.. :p

-TNC

[JustABill]

I think Singer knew that could kill them, so he in his commentary on the DVD said he purposely made sure to show that the pilots of the jets escaped, because he believed that the X-Men should not kill people who are only doing their job or something like that.

[narrows101]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20060113_sarandons_an_absolute_witch.html

Sarandon's an absolute witch!
Posted by Clint Morris on January 13, 2006

Susan Sarandon’s taking a page out of Tilda Swinton’s book - donning the gown of a wicked witch in a new Disney offering.

Mrs Robbins will play an evil Queen intent on destroying true love in Walt Disney Pictures' "Enchanted”, says The Hollywood Reporter.

Sarandon has signed on to play Queen Narissa opposite a star-crossed princess and prince (Amy Adams and James Marsden) in the Kevin Lima-directed fairy tale that will blend animation and live action.

The Bill Kelly script centers on a princess-in-waiting who is banished from a classical animation world by a vainglorious queen and dumped into a modern-day, live-action Manhattan.

[larryfilmmaker]

Well, if anybody has seen the huge line of square pictures of all the X-Men characters... there's a portrait shot of each main character in X3. Marsden and Xavier are the only 2 people who's pictures are just stills from the movie, the others all have professional photographs taken of them... so I don't think it's lookin to good for Cyke.... they didn't even give him a photo session or what?

[Hugh'sMrs]

I think Singer knew that could kill them, so he in his commentary on the DVD said he purposely made sure to show that the pilots of the jets escaped, because he believed that the X-Men should not kill people who are only doing their job or something like that.

But what happened to their jets? They had to land somewhere which caused property damage and maybe personal injuries.

[Octoberist]

Singer said that the jetfighters survived.

It's a movie, so you have to assume that the jets didn't land on houses.

The jetfighters were just doing their job, just like the cops at Bobby's house.

Image if you were a cop on patrol, and of a sudden you have to deal with fire-wielding kid in the suburbs.

[Mar420x]

if cyclops lives after x3 and jean finally stays dead. i gurantee well see ms emma frost and cyclops relationship in x4.

[Octoberist]

it would be interesting to see..

[Specter313]

It's just dumb that they continue to pursue the jet and try to take it down with missiles. Any other fighter would retreat or be too occupied trying to control their fighters. And don't get me started on Storm's method of stopping the fighters which could have easily ended their lives. That whole sequence was terrible. Not surprising the producers were the ones that came up with it.

Again, where were they supposed to retreat to? There were tornadoes all around them, including their backsides, so they couldn't retreat. And pilots like them aren't trained to just abandon their mission on the case of a little weather.

[larryfilmmaker]

if cyclops lives after x3 and jean finally stays dead. i gurantee well see ms emma frost and cyclops relationship in x4.

I don't think there will be an X4. Now, I know that alot of people think the X-Men movies are good, personally I think they are "okay" at best... and I'd prefer them to be put to rest for one reason. Somewhere down the road the stories can be reinterrupted and the movies can be absolutely GREAT. For now, the wrong seeds have been planted, back stories have been screwed up beyond repair, vital characters have been overshadowed by more popular characters, and the casual movie goer expects too much silly stuff for an AMAZING (not just good but amazing) X-Men story. I'm just waiting for this trilogy to go away so somebody down the road can restart and revive it with loads of heart, character development, and characters you still care about after the movie's over.

[the_scream]

Yes I agree. Too much has been stuffed up. They've made this trilogy about Wolverine, Jean, Magneto and Rogue. That's ok I guess but the focus of the films is NOT on the X-Men team as it should be.

If done right, the characters could have come in and out of the franchise depending on the film. Instead, they've made it so you have to see what happens to Wolverine and Jean and Rogue otherwise the stories are abandoned.

[peteapan]

I agree the first films have established the main characters. No thought will be given to the fans views on Cyke and Prof X for this third film, only the money bought in by people who dont care about the comics past, but just about the hairy man with claws making funny one liners and the lady with white hair looking hot. BOOOO

[CapBeerCino]

Yes I agree. Too much has been stuffed up. They've made this trilogy about Wolverine, Jean, Magneto and Rogue. That's ok I guess but the focus of the films is NOT on the X-Men team as it should be.


Yup. My favorite thing about the x-men are fighting sequence when each contribute his own power to the mix. The only thing that was even close in the movieverse was the ending of X-1 (too short for a climax though) and there was nothing of that sort in X-2 (Nightcrowler save the kids- alone. Storm save Charles- alone. Then Jean save the jet- alone, and so on...)

[CapBeerCino]

I made a pic of Cyke before he gets "vaporized" or whatever...

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9151/thelake5dd.jpg

[Iceman]

Yup. My favorite thing about the x-men are fighting sequence when each contribute his own power to the mix. The only thing that was even close in the movieverse was the ending of X-1 (too short for a climax though) and there was nothing of that sort in X-2 (Nightcrowler save the kids- alone. Storm save Charles- alone. Then Jean save the jet- alone, and so on...)

Yep - more teamwork needed - this is the key strength of X-Men