Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Pizzaboy1138]

pizza yeah the one raising his hand it looks soo much to me that he was wearing sunglasses while he was walking and then i thought he put his hand up maybee to Phoenix :)..

His stance looks Cyke-ish, but I guess all those pics of James in uniform were just to advertise the movie and get us fans to pay the big bucks.

[terry78]

Well, there goes any chance of seeing a live action of the five original X-Men onscreen fighting at once. :(

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/Uncanny1.jpg/180px-Uncanny1.jpg

[ShadesOfRedd]

I watched it on full screen and looks like Ashmore getting ready to shoot ice.

[taintedFB]

Maybe there is a subtle hint that he survives somewhere in the movie?

Also, I think they are really exaggerating Logan's powers if they think he can survive Phoenix's full force and pierce her with his claws. She could telekinetically block such an attack.

Either way, I think its up to us to decide what we believed happened to him.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Anyway, I STILL think the fact that we don't SEE Scott die when we DO SEE everyone else die MEANS SOMETHING. It's not over.

I still think that Jean/Phoenix destroying Scott's glasses when asked about him, illustrates what she did to him at the lake, without the movie losing it's rating.

I wonder if there actually was a 4th movie, if they'd even think about Scott getting his fair amount of screen time and story. He got scr*wed over in 3 movies. I guess if he'd come back, all he'd get to do is polish the floors at the mansion, after all he lost his job to Storm.

[ShadesOfRedd]

Logan's powers are always being exaggerated these days.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Also, I think they are really exaggerating Logan's powers if they think he can survive Phoenix's full force and pierce her with his claws. She could telekinetically block such an attack.

Remember he is allmighty now ...
Hail the allmighty Wolverine, saviour of the world.

[terry78]

Having healing abilities means he basically can't be injured, so any fights that he takes part in are pretty anti-climatic, as it's always been. It's just been eye candy to watch him get near death and then heal himself.

[taintedFB]

Hopefully with Wolverine getting his spin-off, if there is an X4, it will be more of an ensemble.

I wouldn't mind if Scott had left the team. I think it would be really fun if early in X4, Ororo shows up at Scott's doorstep and asks Scott to return.

Maybe they go to a new mutant kid's house, Gambit? Similar to Charles and Eric with Young Jean Grey, only Gambit is a rebellious teen hustler. Could be fun.

[cyke93]

we've known for weeks now that scott does indeed die. people shouldn't try to soup themselves up for something that'll prolly not happen. it sux we know but "C'est la vie"

fox wanted cyke out of the picture for whatever reasons, cuz james was doing superman, logan and storm can have more screentime.. or a combination of all these things .. but either way they suceeded and we're the ones paying the price

[Pizzaboy1138]

Having healing abilities means he basically can't be injured, so any fights that he takes part in are pretty anti-climatic, as it's always been. It's just been eye candy to watch him get near death and then heal himself.

He should look like that Terminator skeleton plus claws and sideburns.

[cyke93]

and i remember in x1 that they didn't want to put gambit there because he was similar to cyclops and logan. now if wolvie gets a spin off, they might actually not put hugh back in x-men but bring in gambit and thats it no cyke. and if they were to bring in gambit with cyke, cyke would still screwed over in favor for gambit. and i like gambit i dont want to dislike him in the movies, much like i dislike wolverine and storm.

[cyke93]

cyke??? dead still?

been dead since the AICN script wasa leak :(

[PikaZeroX]

Just an incredibly WILD theory here..

So the secret ending.. Spoilers ahead..

Xavier is in another body correct.. But the head is bandaged up so we can't see the face, what if.. WHAT IF.. He's in Cyclops O_o

[ShadesOfRedd]

Just an incredibly WILD theory here..

So the secret ending.. Spoilers ahead..

Xavier is in another body correct.. But the head is bandaged up so we can't see the face, what if.. WHAT IF.. He's in Cyclops O_o

:down I'd hate that.

[cyke93]

ok now i think this whole thing cyclops has really screwed up all our heads hahaha

[Pizzaboy1138]

Xavier is in Cyke's body, Jean comes back in X4 and we have a new "love triangle", since Logan will be gone.

Did I say ewwwwww?

[ShadesOfRedd]

Xavier is in Cyke's body, Jean comes back in X4 and we have a new "love triangle", since Logan will be gone.

Did I say ewwwwww?

That would be disturbing...

[Pizzaboy1138]

That would be disturbing...

I think we might have a winner for the new storyline.
Only in X4 Cyke's body is going to be played by Matt Damon.

[ShadesOfRedd]

I think we might have a winner for the new storyline.
Only in X4 Cyke's body is going to be played by Matt Damon.

Nah, because if they had Damon FOX would have to give Cyke a decent role.

[PikaZeroX]

With Xavier in Cyclops and Jean dead you could potentially have a great setup for Sinister.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Nah, because if they had Damon FOX would have to give Cyke a decent role.

Don't forget, it wouldn't actually be Cyke, but Xavier.

[taintedFB]

But Scott would still be in there. And Sinister would help Moira seperate the two. And Xavier becomes a ghost like Obi Wan!

[Kurosawa]

Having healing abilities means he basically can't be injured, so any fights that he takes part in are pretty anti-climatic, as it's always been. It's just been eye candy to watch him get near death and then heal himself.

Yeah, it's gotten to the point where it's never a question that he will always survive and always win. He doesn't even have a weakness.

[Pizzaboy1138]

But Scott would still be in there. And Sinister would help Moira seperate the two. And Xavier becomes a ghost like Obi Wan!

May The Force Be With Him!

[Kurosawa]

Hopefully with Wolverine getting his spin-off, if there is an X4, it will be more of an ensemble.

I wouldn't mind if Scott had left the team. I think it would be really fun if early in X4, Ororo shows up at Scott's doorstep and asks Scott to return.

Maybe they go to a new mutant kid's house, Gambit? Similar to Charles and Eric with Young Jean Grey, only Gambit is a rebellious teen hustler. Could be fun.

If there's an X4, it'll just be more of the same.

[Pizzaboy1138]

He doesn't even have a weakness.

His only weakness is his undying love for Jean. :rolleyes:

[Kurosawa]

His only weakness is his undying love for Jean. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Did I mention that I hate FOX?

[Pizzaboy1138]

Did I mention that I hate FOX?

Say it again.

[Kurosawa]

One less person in the way of the screen, in my opinion.

Goody for you.

I'll more than make up for with multiple screenings of Superman Returns, which is looking more and more like a classic.

[Kurosawa]

Say it again.

I hate FOX. They can go to hell. The execs, anyway.

Won't stop me from buying Star Wars, though. :p

[taintedFB]

Is there a message board on the official site.

Because having worked on FOX TV Show, I can tell you they read their own message boards. And that along with petitions could convince them to bring back Cyclops.

Honestly, I think Singer is not as good as Ratner in directing actors. For the most part, performances look alot better in this movie. Maybe if Ratner had done X1 and X2, we would have gotten a better version of Cyke and even better performance from Jimmy.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Won't stop me from buying Star Wars, though. :p

Hehe.
Sadly the quality won't be as good.
http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Classic_OT_DVDs_Dont_Make_Assumptions_98595.asp

[Octoberist]

I have a feeling that I might like this movie. But I also feel like, with the lack of Cyclops and Gambit, it might be the black sheep of the series.

NOw the question is...would I like to see Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg back for X4? The answer is...I have to wait to see X3 to make my decision. Maybe keep Penn and Kinberg, but I still don't like the Hollywood tool known as Ratner around.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Maybe if Ratner had done X1 and X2, we would have gotten a better version of Cyke.

Depends on how much pressure FOX would have put on the writers back then.

Do we know why Cyclops doesn't have more screentime in X1 & X2?
I mean James didn't do WonderWoman back then, or something.

[Octoberist]

Ratner is a tool. A yesman. He's not a creative force, so I'm buyting the 'fact' that he would make Cyclops bigger. Nothing is bigger than Rothman...

[ShadowBoxing]

Depends on how much pressure FOX would have put on the writers back then.

Do we know why Cyclops doesn't have more screentime in X1 & X2?
I mean James didn't do WonderWoman back then, or something.He had a TON of screentime in X1, he did not speak a lot, but if he had that would not have been Cyclops. However even Rothman won't be out for blood for X4 if the scriptwriters want Cyclops back, he may have even realized the backlash probably hurt him overall.

[ginny_weasley]

Ratner is a tool. A yesman. He's not a creative force, so I'm buyting the 'fact' that he would make Cyclops bigger. Nothing is bigger than Rothman...

Gonna have to agree there....

....so I guess nothing's changed over the weekend, eh? Scott is still dead?

[TromaFreak64]

Theres no sign of Cyclops at all. The promotianal posters and promo pics were all a hoax.

Check out this new Marsden interview. Even he can't say much about his role.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_8733.html

Why is there a ton of nothing just black screen and title cue cards for Beast during the Cyclops interview?

[Octoberist]

The thing that bothers me is that they underplay his death, from the sounds of it. So Storm and Logan don't give a crap about him? It's a double insult.

Now, knowing it's all about politics, it's frustrating for me to handle that. It wasn't from a schedule conflict or creative reasons...it was Fox. BUt that's that..I'm still seeing the movie.

With Ratner, I wish him luck with Rush Hour 3...I mean he needs to complete that saga as well.

[Pizzaboy1138]

He had a TON of screentime in X1, he did not speak a lot, but if he had that would not have been Cyclops.

It would still have been nice to see and hear more of him. ;)

[taintedFB]

Okay.

My question is why all the conflicting reports:

1. Someone claimed a Dutch Tv spot showed Cyclops in uniform and visor firing an optic blast

2. Someone claiming a secret scene where we see Scott in a "mental" state at the end of the credits

3. Someone claiming to work in a theater and saying Cyclops is alive and kicking and NOT one of the three deaths in the movie.

Yet people who have seen the movie say we are led to believe he's dead and is only mentioned once. BUT ONE THING WE DO KNOW: NOBODY EVER SEES HIM DIE!!

So there is still hope for X4.

If they did want to write Scott out of the franchise, they could have done it and stayed true to the comics. He could have quit the team and moved to Alaska. End of Scott in trilogy. Fans get an honest interpretation of the source material. Everybody wins.

[Pizzaboy1138]

So there is still hope for X4.

The same hope we had for X3.

But this time , for X4, there won't be as many fans around, because they moved on to other movies. Probably even movies that deliver.

[ginny_weasley]

Okay.

My question is why all the conflicting reports:

1. Someone claimed a Dutch Tv spot showed Cyclops in uniform and visor firing an optic blast

2. Someone claiming a secret scene where we see Scott in a "mental" state at the end of the credits

3. Someone claiming to work in a theater and saying Cyclops is alive and kicking and NOT one of the three deaths in the movie.

Yet people who have seen the movie say we are led to believe he's dead and is only mentioned once. BUT ONE THING WE DO KNOW: NOBODY EVER SEES HIM DIE!!

So there is still hope for X4.

If they did want to write Scott out of the franchise, they could have done it and stayed true to the comics. He could have quit the team and moved to Alaska. End of Scott in trilogy. Fans get an honest interpretation of the source material. Everybody wins.

Well, as House says, everybody lies...so....here's to hope though. ya never know. ;)

[Retroman]

Somnebody with the computer skills please go to the new tribute special...and pause the video at 10 min 6 seconds and blow up the pic it looks like cyke in his uniform with sunglasses which would explain why they showed him with his suit and glasses and not his visor on the official site


http://www.tribute.ca/sympaticointer...3/index_tr.asp

And like I said whoever is saying hes too small to be Jimmy there is only a half of inch difference between James Marsden and Shawn....somebody please blow up this photo because I really think its him with sunglasses
Its not Cyclops man. Give it up.:(

[Octoberist]

With X4, they better have some damn good writing. I can see how they can bring him back, but it doesn't excuse his treatment in X3.

Not only they kill him off and let Logan 'save Phoenix', they underplay his death. People were mourning the other deaths, all but Cyclops.

[taintedFB]

I know. Considering Scott, Jean, Storm and Beast were the original five in the movieverse. They've known each other since they were children. Yet not a tear for Scott. FOR SHAME!! Looks like Phoenix is the only one with a heart in this film!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Good for Jean/Phoenix... but when she's bad...and doing bad things ... I can still forgive her... she burns me up. I'd kick Logan's ass...anyone heard of the song Think twice by eve 6? :D ... heh.

[Octoberist]

The thing is taht with Logan, he is still tempted to get with Jean, though he knows Cyclops is gone. Honest to God, how can you root for a guy like that. It's not like Cyclops was a badguy or anything. Cyclops..is the BAXTER.

[taintedFB]

I know. Logan has no moral integrity or even ethics! It isn't until after they make out that he asks her about Scott. So stupid! Honestly, I think it only makes fans root for Scott more!

[gambitfire]

Goody for you.

I'll more than make up for with multiple screenings of Superman Returns, which is looking more and more like a classic.

EWW!! *gag* GROSS!! i don't care how much your hating this movie don't say that name on here!! :mad:

[Pizzaboy1138]

The thing is taht with Logan, he is still tempted to get with Jean, though he knows Cyclops is gone. Honest to God, how can you root for a guy like that.

X1: Wolverine wakes up, sees Jean and chases tail, tries to ruin her relationship and belittle Scott.
X2: Jean is dead, he tells Scott that he won. (How cold is that?!)
X3: Scott is dead and he goes after her again.

Awesome!

[gambitfire]

X1: Wolverine wakes up, sees Jean and chases tail, tries to ruin her relationship and belittle Scott.
X2: Jean is dead, he tells Scott that he won. (How cold is that?!)
X3: Scott is dead and he goes after her again.

Awesome!

That's Romance for'ya :rolleyes:

[DarknessOfDeath]

well he does ask jean where scott is a few times... im sure he didn't mean to...well I mean Phoenix was seducing him in the first place... :rolleyes: and yeah...I don't think Logan would have given into his emotions if Jean wasn't mind controlling him. but anyway...

somehow I can picture Scott ...er...-keeps details to himself- :o

[Pizzaboy1138]

I don't think Logan would have given into his emotions if Jean wasn't mind controlling him.

Yeah! That's the reason! She was mind controling him since X1.
D'uh! How could I not have seen it ...

[taintedFB]

Well, I'm going to decide that Scott survived. We never see him die, so we can each make up our own minds. I don;t know why I get the sense of creepy mystery surrounding his disappearance...probably because of the "where's Scott" clip. Mysterious and creepy and we never do see im die, even in her flashbacks!

[taintedFB]

I don't think Jean was mind controlling Logan in the lab. I think something else, further south, had taken control! LOL. Weak, man, just weak.

[gambitfire]

Well, I'm going to decide that Scott survived. We never see him die, so we can each make up our own minds. I don;t know why I get the sense of creepy mystery surrounding his disappearance...probably because of the "where's Scott" clip. Mysterious and creepy and we never do see im die, even in her flashbacks!

I came up with the most insane idea for X-4 and how it would lead all the way to X-6 Where the villian is Apocalypse my point is i found a way to bring Cyclops and those killed by Jean back :D :p

[Octoberist]

that's the only way to deal with his 'signifance' in the movie in a postive manner TatinedFB.

But deep down, it still awful. I don't know. When X3 comes out, either the poop will hit the fan or this could be the crown jewel of the series. (which I doubt).

Honestly, despite some of the good review, I bet you that they'll be a huge backlash. Watch.

[Pizzaboy1138]

I don't think Jean was mind controlling Logan in the lab. I think something else, further south, had taken control! LOL. Weak, man, just weak.

:eek: tsk tsk
That's almost another Nipplegate there.
Are we going to get a close up shot?

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yeah! That's the reason! She was mind controling him since X1.
D'uh! How could I not have seen it ...

you forget she's dark Phoenix... and I did say Logan is weak, didn't I? :rolleyes:

Flame me but thats just how I see it...thats just me. thats not to say I am happy with what they've done to Cykes role. Im disappointed too..Alright? I've been a cyclops fan since I was a kid watching the cartoons.

[Pizzaboy1138]

you forget she's dark Phoenix... and I did say Logan is weak, didn't I? :rolleyes:

Flame me but thats just how I see it...thats just me. thats not to say I am happy with what they've done to Cykes role. Im disappointed too..Alright? I've been a cyclops fan since I was a kid watching the cartoons.

I'm not flaming you, I'm being sarcastic. It's just pathetic how the writers try to justify how Wolverine acts.

[taintedFB]

The sad thing is his death could have worked if it was heroic, even if it was Jean who killed him. If it were on screen, and we saw her immediate reaction to it, if it rippled through the team and people wept and mourned him.

But no. It's a casual kiss-off and its insulting.

Still, as far as I'm concerned, he's disappeared and we won't know how or why until X4.

[gambitfire]

Still, as far as I'm concerned, he's disappeared and we won't know how or why until X4.

Did i mention i have a great idea for that :D

[Octoberist]

I'm still debating if the same team should work on X4 (Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner)

[GambitXremy]

are tho's interviews on youtupe frm movie online

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm curious if there is an X4...Famke says she wants to be a scriptwriter...hmm :p lol

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm still debating if the same team should work on X4 (Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner)

i'd say bring in someone new...or someone who hearts the comics themselves...

[gambitfire]

I'm still debating if the same team should work on X4 (Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner)

i say me, the fans, and me :D

[Pizzaboy1138]

They could have done a change to the movie in 10 minutes.
Jean tells Logan at the end "Kill me, I want to be with Scott".
It would take Famke only one minute to tape it, and a good cutter to cut away from her mouth, after the first part of the sentence.

[DarknessOfDeath]

If I wanted to, I could write X3 myself... plus I would give Cykes the role he deserves especially during the final battle. I am very open minded and when an idea comes to mind, I play around with it in my head for a bit to see how it would work and then i'd write it down and just spill my guts out as if I was in Cykes's shoes, etc. Theres alot of thinking process involved...and thats a good thing I guess... I like to write :) I can write emotional stories and I think I'm gonna take a stab at writing some X-men related stuff. ... but again...thats just me. :)

[Pizzaboy1138]

If I wanted to, I could write X3 myself... plus I would give Cykes the role he deserves especially during the final battle. I am very open minded and when an idea comes to mind, I play around with it in my head for a bit to see how it would work and then i'd write it down and just spill my guts out as if I was in Cykes's shoes, etc. Theres alot of thinking process involved...and thats a good thing I guess... I like to write :) I can write emotional stories and I think I'm gonna take a stab at writing some X-men related stuff. ... but again...thats just me. :)

You could post your fics at www.fanfiction.net

[taintedFB]

I would love to take a stab at writing X4. Who knows by the time it comes around, I may just get my shot!

In any event, I think this movie will be good and I think Scott's fate is left open to interpretation, Fox is on the fence. Only our strong support for the character will sway them into bringing him back in a sequel.

Hell, he doesn;t even have to be a part of the team, but he should be alive and have a big part.

[Pizzaboy1138]

I would love to take a stab at writing X4. Who knows by the time it comes around, I may just get my shot!

Don't let the FOX bite you.

[taintedFB]

Hey, I know how to work around such obstacles without disregarding the history and fanbase of a character or property.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Hey, I know how to work around such obstacles without disregarding the history and fanbase of a character or property.

;) :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

You could post your fics at www.fanfiction.net (http://www.fanfiction.net)

I could post em on my X-Men site for the fans :p

[Pizzaboy1138]

I could post em on my X-Men site for the fans :p

Link?

[DarknessOfDeath]

Link?

sorry...havn't made one yet :p when the time comes, I will post it. :p

[Hugh'sMrs]

The thing is taht with Logan, he is still tempted to get with Jean, though he knows Cyclops is gone. Honest to God, how can you root for a guy like that. It's not like Cyclops was a badguy or anything. Cyclops..is the BAXTER.

You can't root for an a**h*le like that which is why they're trying to convey that Wolverine and Jean are the X couple. What a crock.

I didn't like Famke's video interview where she said that Wolverine and Jean flirted but the problem was that Cyclops was around. Scott representing Jean's 'calm side' is just code for 'safe' and he shouldn't be reduced to that. It comes across as though Jean is settling by choosing Scott over Logan.

If they make an X4 and resurrect Scott I'd like to see him with Emma because at least she actually wants him and isn't just using him until she can better deal him.

[Pizzaboy1138]

sorry...havn't made one yet :p when the time comes, I will post it. :p

Tease.

[Pizzaboy1138]

If they make an X4 and resurrect Scott I'd like to see him with Emma because at least she actually wants him and isn't just using him until she can better deal him.

Actually I think I'd hate that even more. *shrugs*

[DarknessOfDeath]

You can't root for an a**h*le like that which is why they're trying to convey that Wolverine and Jean are the X couple. What a crock.

I didn't like Famke's video interview where she said that Wolverine and Jean flirted but the problem was that Cyclops was around. Scott representing Jean's 'calm side' is just code for 'safe' and he shouldn't be reduced to that. It comes across as though Jean is settling by choosing Scott over Logan.

If they make an X4 and resurrect Scott I'd like to see him with Emma because at least she actually wants him and isn't just using him until she can better deal him.

... um... okay. :confused:


by the way...I lost the link to that X-men site that has...steamy fics. can ya PM me the links? thanx.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Tease.

aren't I? ;) Pizzaboy...1138 :o ... interesting name ;)

[Pizzaboy1138]

by the way...I lost the link to that X-men site that has...steamy fics. can ya PM me the links? thanx.

Min's?

["Iron Man"]

Can someone give me a detailed spoiler-full description of the Alkali Lake Scott scene?

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hugh's Mrs...you know what I mean right? about those links?

I'm off. Company is here. ttyl.

[JokerNick]

Can someone give me a detailed spoiler-full description of the Alkali Lake Scott scene?

Jean kills him......... bada bing.. bada KABOOOOOMMMM

[The Original Bamfer]

Guys, my theatre has 115 minutes for the film - thats anywhere from 7 to 12 minutes longer than Lex's version depending on his credit length. This means we'll see a longer version! Who knows whats in here!? they are so going to surprise us!

[taintedFB]

Does your theater include previews in the running time? That could be the difference.

Or dare we dream, a slightly longer cut, showing us that Scott survived!

I would love to see movie Cyclops without Jean. In X1 and X2, he was mainly Jean's boyfriend. I'd like to see him independant of her in X4. Here's hoping.


The way I will view X3.
If its the last X-Men, then Scott and Jean are both dead, a tragic mutant Romeo & Juliet.

If there will be an X4, Scott survived and returns to join the team in facing a new foe.

[JokerNick]

Does your theater include previews in the running time? That could be the difference.

Or dare we dream, a slightly longer cut, showing us that Scott survived!

hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[The Original Bamfer]

Without previews, I'm sure.

I'll check. Anyone know the official running time of RV or Over The Hedge?

[the a1ant]

Jean's love for Cyke couldn't stop her from killing him? On one hand, I'm extremely annoyed, because Scott was the only one to really snap her out of it in the comics, but this time it's like zzzzap!

On the other hand, her killing Cyke will show just how out of control this woman really is. If killing her fiance doesn't drive her over the edge, what else will? :o

I still hate it though. That'll be the one aspect of X3 I know I'll hate...but at least we don't see him really die. Maybe, just maybe...

[JokerNick]

Without previews, I'm sure.

I'll check. Anyone know the official running time of RV or Over The Hedge?

OTH was a buck thirty

[Kurosawa]

You can't root for an a**h*le like that which is why they're trying to convey that Wolverine and Jean are the X couple. What a crock.

I didn't like Famke's video interview where she said that Wolverine and Jean flirted but the problem was that Cyclops was around. Scott representing Jean's 'calm side' is just code for 'safe' and he shouldn't be reduced to that. It comes across as though Jean is settling by choosing Scott over Logan.

If they make an X4 and resurrect Scott I'd like to see him with Emma because at least she actually wants him and isn't just using him until she can better deal him.

Famke doesn't understand Jean at all if that's what she thinks.

She was horribly cast anyway. For one thing, she's way too old. It looks like she's robbing the cradle when she's onscreen with Marsden. Plus she looks way too hard.

The casting in these movies was pretty wretched, apart from Stewart, which was a no-brainer. Marsden was a good choice, but his total lack of star power is a good part of why Cyclops is now dead in the movies. Nightcrawler was pretty well cast, as was Colossus. That's really about it.

These movies, when you really look at them, were so much less than they could have been.

[Kurosawa]

Guys, my theatre has 115 minutes for the film - thats anywhere from 7 to 12 minutes longer than Lex's version depending on his credit length. This means we'll see a longer version! Who knows whats in here!? they are so going to surprise us!

Don't count on it.

[lordofthenerds]

Guys, my theatre has 115 minutes for the film - thats anywhere from 7 to 12 minutes longer than Lex's version depending on his credit length. This means we'll see a longer version! Who knows whats in here!? they are so going to surprise us!
Well Lex didn't see a press release I think, so I would think the version he saw would be the final one.

[taintedFB]

You'd think, but we're still getting conflicting reports on running time and content. Maybe they are holding back a few surprises?

[Pizzaboy1138]

I have a question about the video game.
How is Cyke portrayed there?
Can you play his character?
And if not, if you don't want to play the Wolverine, is there another character you can pick?

Thanks.

[Endeavor]

On the other hand, her killing Cyke will show just how out of control this woman really is. If killing her fiance doesn't drive her over the edge, what else will? :o


To elaborate on your point, how come she's so "out of control" that she ends up destroying the man she supposedly loves but whatever she feels for Logan is what helps Jean 'hold back' long enough for him to kill her?
I'm sorry but that is complete bull ****.
That combined with what's done to Rogue, to Angel, to Colossus... So far the only good things I've heard is that Storm and Beast are very good in this film. There is no way I will be satisfied walking out of X3 :( :(

[jusblaze21]

Jean's love for Cyke couldn't stop her from killing him? On one hand, I'm extremely annoyed, because Scott was the only one to really snap her out of it in the comics, but this time it's like zzzzap!

On the other hand, her killing Cyke will show just how out of control this woman really is. If killing her fiance doesn't drive her over the edge, what else will? :o

I still hate it though. That'll be the one aspect of X3 I know I'll hate...but at least we don't see him really die. Maybe, just maybe...

Yea, Someone stated, can't remember who? That Cyclops role in this film would be more important than his role in previous films(not in those exact words). but I believe they were referring to the impact his death would have on Jean.

[taintedFB]

It will be sad, if she is the only one to feel anything over his death. The rest of the team just seems to go "really? That's too bad. We have to stop her" and nnever really mourn Scott!

More evidence is suggesting multiple alternate endings and I am still open to the possibility that they will show that Scott did survive. How come his death is the one "accident" jean has. Even Pheonix kills for a reason. She knows what she's doing throughout the film yet in that one moment she has an accident?

Still hoping for his survival in the end. I know I won't leave the theater until the projector turns off and the lights come on!

[taintedFB]

Where is everyone? Have you all given up on this thread. Its been half an hour and no action! I'm going to have to start talking to myself! LOL!

[Endeavor]

We don't all heal as fast as you taintedFB

:p

[PhePhe112]

Still hoping for his survival in the end. I know I won't leave the theater until the projector turns off and the lights come on!

If we lived in the same city..I'd be right there with you....the ushers would be like "Um, guys....we need to start cleaning this theater....the movies over....go home!!!!"

[PhePhe112]

Where is everyone? Have you all given up on this thread.


NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[peteapan]

I simply dont know what to say anymore

[taintedFB]

Maybe we should turn our attention to Marsden for awhile.

He's having a good year...

X3, Superman Returns, Enchanted, an animated Conan, and maybe Bobby.

PLus he has 10th & Wolf due out later this year and Alibi with him and Rebecca Romeign (never know how to spell that)

Anyway, if you look at it from a job point of view, he's doing great!

I've personally been a fan of his ever since Disturbing Behavior. Since then I've seen Gossip, Sugar & Spice, rented the 24th Day, seen The Notebook, rented Hieghts, and obviously the X-men movies and his stint on Ally McBeal. He's been pretty busy. Busier than most of the actors in this franchise.

[peteapan]

Im happy for him. Glad he got the Supes role. They were gonna screw him regardless

[SlimDayspring]

Well, I'm going to decide that Scott survived. We never see him die, so we can each make up our own minds. I don;t know why I get the sense of creepy mystery surrounding his disappearance...probably because of the "where's Scott" clip. Mysterious and creepy and we never do see im die, even in her flashbacks!
Maybe my innate pessimism has finally gotten the best of all my hopes for this film, but it's possible that we don't see Scott demolecularised because they wanted to save the shock of watching it happen for an "important" character like Xavier, and in such a way so that Scott's death would be implied by Xavier's fate.

[taintedFB]

Probably. And that's sad, because I think Marsden is one of the best actors in the franchise, yet he's given very little to work with.

A funny note: If you notice both in X1 and X2, during most of Scott's lines, he's not on camera. Go back and look.

One example:
X2: in Museum "I think its time to leave professor"

It happens alot, half of his lines, the camera isn't even on him and I don't get why. It's not like he's gross to look at or anything.

[taintedFB]

Maybe my innate pessimism has finally gotten the best of all my hopes for this film, but it's possible that we don't see Scott demolecularised because they wanted to save the shock of watching it happen for an "important" character like Xavier, and in such a way so that Scott's death would be implied by Xavier's fate.

Implied isn't as sure a thing. I think it is definitely implied AND assumed. But nnone of them have proof. Even Xavier only knows what he can gather from Jean's fractured memories which even in the flashbacks don't show him die. I find it very mysterious but I am glad that it is leaving it open. I don't think I could bear to see him demolecularize before my eyes so early in the movie.

[cyke93]

Where is everyone? Have you all given up on this thread. Its been half an hour and no action! I'm going to have to start talking to myself! LOL!

I'm all talked out haha. cykes still dead, gets screwed over by fox.. blah blah blah blah blah.. lets just get x3 over with hahaa

[taintedFB]

I'm gonna miss this place. I'll have to find something new to obsess about soon.

Before this I was obsessing about my new car, I think I'll be here after the movie comes out to comment on it. But then what?

Maybe I'll see you guys on the Richard White Thread in the Superman Returns Forum?

[gap5ewl]

Probably. And that's sad, because I think Marsden is one of the best actors in the franchise, yet he's given very little to work with.

A funny note: If you notice both in X1 and X2, during most of Scott's lines, he's not on camera. Go back and look.

One example:
X2: in Museum "I think its time to leave professor"

It happens alot, half of his lines, the camera isn't even on him and I don't get why. It's not like he's gross to look at or anything.
not really it was only three times in x1 and two in x2

[taintedFB]

Three out of how many lines total? Two our of how many lines total.

They keep showing people reacting to his lines instead of him actually saying them.

[DarknessOfDeath]

:D CYKE RULES IN MY HEART :o .... sorry... just kinda excited. well hyper and kinda freaked out about Famke's "bf"... who's a..dog. lol

[cyke93]

I'm gonna miss this place. I'll have to find something new to obsess about soon.

Before this I was obsessing about my new car, I think I'll be here after the movie comes out to comment on it. But then what?

Maybe I'll see you guys on the Richard White Thread in the Superman Returns Forum?

yeah i think once the movie is out .. ill be pretty much out of here.. well that and the fact that im going away to europe for 2 months this summer hhehheeh

[taintedFB]

Oh well, you know we'll all be back Rallying for Scott's return the moment X4 is announced!

[Pizzaboy1138]

Know what I just thought?

Jean and Scott kiss, he changes and we never see what's going on afterwards.
Maybe she swallowed him whole.

ummmm :O

[Quidam]

taintedFB, I love your sig. :D

[DarknessOfDeath]

Know what I just thought?

Jean and Scott kiss, he changes and we never see what's going on afterwards.
Maybe she swallowed him whole.

ummmm :O

Meaning...she went down on him..? :O DAMNit ... Famke.

no ... damn it X-Men...X-Men is so dirty... its kinda fun and funny. :p

[Pizzaboy1138]

;)

Hey, a bit fun in this dreary world.

[Bishop2]

Scott & Emma in: "Relationship Difficulties"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/xmen.gif

[ShadesOfRedd]

Lol! I hate Emma/Scott the relationship is sickening to me.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Jean and Scott are not... :D

Thumbs down for Emma. u b****

[X-ICEMAN]

Scott & Emma in: "Relationship Difficulties"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/moviemaniacs/xmen.gif
Like the pic Bishop hahaha oh i read today that it said to stay after the credits theirs a surprise. I dont know what that might be but i guess that makes it a surprise. hmmm

[CapBeerCino]

Ratner is a tool. A yesman. He's not a creative force, so I'm buyting the 'fact' that he would make Cyclops bigger. Nothing is bigger than Rothman...

That is so painfully true. :(

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey! enough lets talk about something else. I don't want to see this thread to go down the nasty hill.

...


What do a frog and a toad have in common?

[cyke93]

Hey! enough lets talk about something else. I don't want to see this thread to go down the nasty hill.

...


What do a frog and a toad have in common?

dare to ask.. what?

[Pizzaboy1138]

What do a frog and a toad have in common?

They eat flies?

[DarknessOfDeath]

dare to ask.. what?

... -shrugs- ... Do you know what happens to a toad when you kiss it? ... -snickers-

[Pizzaboy1138]

... -shrugs- ... Do you know what happens to a toad when you kiss it? ... -snickers-

The toad jumps away while you're dying from drug intoxication?

[CapBeerCino]

I don't know if that was post, from the chud review:

The first sign that The Last Stand isn’t going to deliver the gravity and emotional weight it requires is the offhand way Cyclops is crudely jettisoned from the story. After two movies of not much to do, we finally have a story – Dark Phoenix - where he can be of some use, where his character can be a vital part of what’s happening. Instead, he’s here for all of two scenes and is then simply vaporised. He doesn’t even get the dignity of a visible death, his demise coyly taking place off-screen. Obviously, his vastly reduced role is one of necessity – Marsden also had a date in Metropolis – but the nature of his removal from this franchise is nothing short of shocking, one of the most abrupt and least mourned character deaths I can remember seeing. I can’t help wondering if that was somehow meant as punishment for pulling double duty on Superman, but it’s still a ****ty way to kill off a main character.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

[DarknessOfDeath]

Please don't post that again... Thats it. No more joking around. -leaves thread-

[DarknessOfDeath]

The toad jumps away while you're dying from drug intoxication?

No... it turns into Toad!! ... the toad from X1... :p

[Pizzaboy1138]

I can’t help wondering if that was somehow meant as punishment for pulling double duty on Superman, but it’s still a ****ty way to kill off a main character.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

Seriously, if I want to punish an actor, he doesn't get his favourite donut, or his trailer is ice cold.
But this way they only punish the fans.
Which is rather weird. I thought they'd want our money, not our anger.

[Pizzaboy1138]

No... it turns into Toad!! ... the toad from X1... :p

I see. ;)

[CapBeerCino]

With X4, they better have some damn good writing. I can see how they can bring him back, but it doesn't excuse his treatment in X3.

Not only they kill him off and let Logan 'save Phoenix', they underplay his death. People were mourning the other deaths, all but Cyclops.

Kind of ironic since it was the complete opposite for the fans.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Kind of ironic since it was the complete opposite for the fans.

I guess they thought we wouldn't even notice him gone ...
Cyclops who?

[Iceman]

I don't know if that was post, from the chud review:

The first sign that The Last Stand isn’t going to deliver the gravity and emotional weight it requires is the offhand way Cyclops is crudely jettisoned from the story. After two movies of not much to do, we finally have a story – Dark Phoenix - where he can be of some use, where his character can be a vital part of what’s happening. Instead, he’s here for all of two scenes and is then simply vaporised. He doesn’t even get the dignity of a visible death, his demise coyly taking place off-screen. Obviously, his vastly reduced role is one of necessity – Marsden also had a date in Metropolis – but the nature of his removal from this franchise is nothing short of shocking, one of the most abrupt and least mourned character deaths I can remember seeing. I can’t help wondering if that was somehow meant as punishment for pulling double duty on Superman, but it’s still a ****ty way to kill off a main character.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

Don't like the sound of that.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Good night, John-Boy.

[Jessie]

First of all: Boo! That pretty much confirms his death. Second of all: Don't ask where I have been I just looked in this bored now and read the last couple of post =). 3rd...of all: Boo again. And last but not least :Last of All: **** i forgot what i was going to write....oh yeah! Whats with the X4?? Isn't this confirmed as the last of the trilogy??? I hope not, but yeah...whats with it?

[CapBeerCino]

I thought they'd want our money, not our anger.

They did not think Cyke dying = less money. Maybe some bad reviews and some sad fans, but who really care about those? :o
There really isn't much left to say until we all get back here to whine about x-3 this friday. :(

[CapBeerCino]

First of all: Boo! That pretty much confirms his death. Second of all: Don't ask where I have been I just looked in this bored now and read the last couple of post =). 3rd...of all: Boo again. And last but not least :Last of All: **** i forgot what i was going to write....oh yeah! Whats with the X4?? Isn't this confirmed as the last of the trilogy??? I hope not, but yeah...whats with it?

Thay say no x-4 but who knows?

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20060522/114833028000.html

[Bishop2]

Okay, so according to CHUD's review...

1) Cyke is now killed off-screen, leaving it somewhat open to interpretation.
2) Xavier comes back to life in the scene after the credits.
3) The cure apparently isn't permanent, judging by the final scene before the credits.

So basically NONE of the big changes they've been talking about they're making due to this being "the last one" are actually permanent, which is pretty hilarious. I mean, the closest thing to permanency is Jean's death, and we all know that Jean sucks harders than anybody at staying dead.

[vanillacyke]

We, The fans, at least deserve to be told the definitive truth of why Cyclops gets screwed. They owe as at least that much.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Okay, so according to CHUD's review...

1) Cyke is now killed off-screen, leaving it somewhat open to interpretation.
2) Xavier comes back to life in the scene after the credits.
3) The cure apparently isn't permanent, judging by the final scene before the credits.

So basically NONE of the big changes they've been talking about they're making due to this being "the last one" are actually permanent, which is pretty hilarious. I mean, the closest thing to permanency is Jean's death, and we all know that Jean sucks harder than anybody at staying dead.

... uh...oookay...

-looks away and shakes his head-

[Bishop2]

... uh...oookay...

-looks away and shakes his head-

Dirty mind, dirty mind. :p

[CapBeerCino]

So basically NONE of the big changes they've been talking about they're making due to this being "the last one" are actually permanent, which is pretty hilarious. I mean, the closest thing to permanency is Jean's death, and we all know that Jean sucks harders than anybody at staying dead.

That won't make the movie suck any less.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Dirty mind, dirty mind. :p

Sorry...let just say, I saw it coming. -shrugs-

[Kurosawa]

I don't know if that was post, from the chud review:

The first sign that The Last Stand isn’t going to deliver the gravity and emotional weight it requires is the offhand way Cyclops is crudely jettisoned from the story. After two movies of not much to do, we finally have a story – Dark Phoenix - where he can be of some use, where his character can be a vital part of what’s happening. Instead, he’s here for all of two scenes and is then simply vaporised. He doesn’t even get the dignity of a visible death, his demise coyly taking place off-screen. Obviously, his vastly reduced role is one of necessity – Marsden also had a date in Metropolis – but the nature of his removal from this franchise is nothing short of shocking, one of the most abrupt and least mourned character deaths I can remember seeing. I can’t help wondering if that was somehow meant as punishment for pulling double duty on Superman, but it’s still a ****ty way to kill off a main character.



http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

ALL those ****s can go STRAIGHT to hell for that too.

And yes, Ratner is a yes-man and a hack.

[Kurosawa]

Seriously, if I want to punish an actor, he doesn't get his favourite donut, or his trailer is ice cold.
But this way they only punish the fans.
Which is rather weird. I thought they'd want our money, not our anger.

If they really wanted to punish Marsden, the way to do it would be give Cyke a great part-and then recast the character.

[Bishop2]

That won't make the movie suck any less.

No, but at least it means that X-Men 4: New Generation can begin with Cyclops washing ashore at Alkalai Lake or something. :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

No, but at least it means that X-Men 4: New Generation can begin with Cyclops washing ashore at Alkalai Lake or something. :)

would he be naked or wearing a ripped x-suit? .... :p

[CapBeerCino]

ALL those ****s can go STRAIGHT to hell for that too.

And yes, Ratner is a yes-man and a hack.

Im glad at least critics see through Fox unprofessional approach.
I also read some reviews saying they want more of James good work (and that is from so little he got to do...)

[Kurosawa]

No, but at least it means that X-Men 4: New Generation can begin with Cyclops washing ashore at Alkalai Lake or something. :)

I doubt it.

[Bishop2]

would he be naked or wearing a ripped x-suit? .... :p

Whatever makes the ladies happy. ;)

I hope they do go forth with making a new and very different fourth film. Let Scott come back and return to the school. Storm is dealing with the heavily increased enrollment and is pleased to see someone she can have at her side in the leadership. Soon Scott has to lead a band of new mutants on the X-Men's newly formed "Blue Team" as he comes to terms with how Jean has died in his absence, while Storm leads returners Angel, Iceman, Kitty, Beast and Colossus on the "Gold Team." Now that's a movie.

[CapBeerCino]

No, but at least it means that X-Men 4: New Generation can begin with Cyclops washing ashore at Alkalai Lake or something. :)


Fox have done enough. I want them to get what they deserve for x-3 and let the franchise r.i.p. :down
By the way- if no one cared about the backlash over AICN what make people think Fox care about the backlash now? x-4 will be more of the same **** as Kurosawa would say.

[Bishop2]

Fox have done enough. I want them to get what they deserve for x-3 and let the franchise r.i.p. :down
By the way- if no one cared about the backlash over AICN what make people think Fox care about the backlash now? x-4 will be more of the same **** as Kurosawa would say.

You're probably right, but I dare to dream. At the very least, it's highly unlikely that Hugh Jackman will return for another go, which almost guarantees it'd be SOMEWHAT different.

Sadly, it'd probably become a "Storm" franchise as a result.

[Kurosawa]

Fox have done enough. I want them to get what they deserve for x-3 and let the franchise r.i.p. :down
By the way- if no one cared about the backlash over AICN what make people think Fox care about the backlash now? x-4 will be more of the same **** as Kurosawa would say.

There was a rumor that X4 would be based on Days of Future Past. Which just happens to be a story where Cyclops doesn't appear because he's dead.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Whatever makes the ladies happy. ;)

I hope they do go forth with making a new and very different fourth film. Let Scott come back and return to the school. Storm is dealing with the heavily increased enrollment and is pleased to see someone she can have at her side in the leadership. Soon Scott has to lead a band of new mutants on the X-Men's newly formed "Blue Team" as he comes to terms with how Jean has died in his absence, while Storm leads returners Angel, Iceman, Kitty, Beast and Colossus on the "Gold Team." Now that's a movie.

Oh and Im a guy... I was just you know... joking around as always.

I'd pay to see that... And famke...could come back near the end... somehow..as Madelyne Pryor or something. well maybe not... I dunno. She said she couldn't pass up x4 it'll be made... Jean is my fave superhero woman. and Scott is my fave superhero man... yeah... anyway. heh.

[LastSunrise1981]

There was a rumor that X4 would be based on Days of Future Past. Which just happens to be a story where Cyclops doesn't appear because he's dead.

Wouldn't it be something if Wolverine is dead in the storyline and Cyclops is alive? :p

I know, I know. I can dream though, can't I? :O

[ginny_weasley]

Fox have done enough. I want them to get what they deserve for x-3 and let the franchise r.i.p. :down
By the way- if no one cared about the backlash over AICN what make people think Fox care about the backlash now? x-4 will be more of the same **** as Kurosawa would say.

Cyke washing ashore naked wouldn't be a bad start though....

[Bishop2]

There was a rumor that X4 would be based on Days of Future Past. Which just happens to be a story where Cyclops doesn't appear because he's dead.

Time Travel? Well geez, why not just bring in the Savage Land and the Shi'ar Empire too? At least then Xavier could get laid. :p

[ginny_weasley]

There was a rumor that X4 would be based on Days of Future Past. Which just happens to be a story where Cyclops doesn't appear because he's dead.

haha, go figure...:rolleyes:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'd rather see a Cykes movie over a Wolverine movie. Im not gonna bother with his spin off. meh. I'd rather see Scooter boy in action...if so. -scratches his chin- I do hope Hugh doesn't come back for an x4... please gods no.

[CapBeerCino]

There was a rumor that X4 would be based on Days of Future Past. Which just happens to be a story where Cyclops doesn't appear because he's dead.

There was also a rumor Cyclops lives... At any rate only time will tell and if that's true I know I won't even be tempted to watch x-4.

[Bishop2]

I'd rather see a Cykes movie over a Wolverine movie. Im not gonna bother with his spin off. meh. I'd rather see Scooter boy in action...if so. -scratches his chin- I do hope Hugh doesn't come back for an x4... please gods no.

If Hugh did come back for X4, it would probably feature Logan meeting a woman who looks just like Jean and marrying her, only to give rise to Cable, his son from the future... and the villianous Stryfe. :p

[Hulkster]

I want a Cyke spin off movie too, it would be cool if he lives, and Wolverine will guest star in it and he will have maybe a five minute screentime.

[CapBeerCino]

Cyke washing ashore naked wouldn't be a bad start though....

Not at all... but knowing fox my guess is Scott would be eaten by a shark on the way.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Cyke washing ashore naked wouldn't be a bad start though....

... then Jean or Madelyne Pryor would find him...and...I dunno. -giggles- ...

I love x-men :rolleyes: hehe. so cool. :)

[Bishop2]

I'd like to see Scott move on to Emma for a little while. Mostly because Emma gets such hilariously snarky lines in the comics, and I hope they'd make her the sarcastic wit of the X-Men in the absence of Logan-the-personality-stealer.

[ginny_weasley]

... then Jean or Madelyne Pryor would find him...and...I dunno. -giggles- ...

I love x-men :rolleyes: hehe. so cool. :)

hey, the more the merrier I say....:up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

You know... I've always preferred Jean and Scott...hell yeah. -stares at his avvy- :)

So...if madelyne finds Scott...naked .... um... what happens next? -shudders-

ah who cares...just give the guy a pair of boxer briefs..

[Bishop2]

http://www.gayleague.com/forums/pjow7.jpg
"We hate each other."

[DarknessOfDeath]

Jean is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Emma...for sure. Hell...she's everything...except she's not ...a B****.


http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/james.jpg


and whys Jean's leg...kinda open. I prefer if they were closed...but oh well.

[cyke93]

:sigh: cyke is dead, alias is gone n i have to wait till january till 24. its a a very sad time

[CapBeerCino]

:sigh:

I agree, life kinda suck right now.

[Jessie]

Ditto

[DarknessOfDeath]

meh... -watches x2: Jean and Scott-

[cyke93]

I agree, life kinda suck right now.

hehe yeah, the cyclops thread has slowed down a lot .. i think everyone gets the idea, fox sucks, rothman sucks, the writers a pr*cks for not fully disclosing the reasons behind cyclop's demise, his death killed many birds, punishment for doing superman (or what they'll use as "scheduling conflict") allows logan and storm to take up more screen time. and after soooo many people saw the movie already, they still hope for a scene in which cyclops is at the end, maybe in the credits.

granted they may not show flat out that cyke truly dies but then what, 3 more years for x4? if that, and to what see cyclops fans beg and plead again, for what cyclops to get pushed out the side cuz instead of logan (because he's getting his own movie), there's gambit who'll basically be logan part 2. ::SIGH:: ..

i think cyclops fans have always had the hardest time, he isnt the most popular character, as evident in x1, and then pushed aside in x2 n x3.. it takes a special group of people to be dedicated to his character, cuz fox certaintly does not make it easy to be a cyke fan.

[Jessie]

hehe yeah, the cyclops thread has slowed down a lot .. i think everyone gets the idea, fox sucks, rothman sucks, the writers a pr*cks for not fully disclosing the reasons behind cyclop's demise, his death killed many birds, punishment for doing superman (or what they'll use as "scheduling conflict") allows logan and storm to take up more screen time. and after soooo many people saw the movie already, they still hope for a scene in which cyclops is at the end, maybe in the credits.

granted they may not show flat out that cyke truly dies but then what, 3 more years for x4? if that, and to what see cyclops fans beg and plead again, for what cyclops to get pushed out the side cuz instead of logan (because he's getting his own movie), there's gambit who'll basically be logan part 2. ::SIGH:: ..

i think cyclops fans have always had the hardest time, he isnt the most popular character, as evident in x1, and then pushed aside in x2 n x3.. it takes a special group of people to be dedicated to his character, cuz fox certaintly does not make it easy to be a cyke fan.

Well said.

On the other hand it is kind of comforting to see the amount of fans sticking up for Cyke. I mean comparatively speaking, he out does Logan any day of the week! So even if he got shafted in the movie he got is props here.

Did that help any? Yeah...I didn't think so. WHY FOX!? WHYYY!!!!???

[CapBeerCino]

i think cyclops fans have always had the hardest time, he isnt the most popular character, as evident in x1, and then pushed aside in x2 n x3.. it takes a special group of people to be dedicated to his character, cuz fox certaintly does not make it easy to be a cyke fan.

True. I was just looking at the pics from the Cannes premiere when it hit me Jimmy wasn't even there. How ******up is that?

[Jessie]

where are those pics??

[CapBeerCino]

where are those pics??

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=he&cf=cannes_mm&id=1809427181

[DarknessOfDeath]

uh james is shooting a film...not his fault he can't make it to cannes.

[Jessie]

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=he&cf=cannes_mm&id=1809427181

Thank you thank you. =)

[cyke93]

uh james is shooting a film...not his fault he can't make it to cannes.

y promote a film that you're not even really in? if james doing superman really did truly screw up cykes character, then im a lil pissed at superman and at marsden but at the same time, the main villian in all this has always been fox, so to james i say: "do you"

[CapBeerCino]

Thank you thank you. =)

Anytime.

[DarknessOfDeath]

not talking about superman...his other movie...enchanted.

[casusev]

Long time lurker, first time poster. I too am very disapointed with the way that X3 has come about. I was worried from the begining, when FOX moved on with the movie instead of waiting for Singer to return. Its very disapointing to have waited 3 years for a movie that trashes character, previous movies, and sourse material... blah blah blah...we have 900 pages of this, you know what I'm saying, so I don't think i need to go futher.

A couple of weeks ago, while I was very frusterated, I asked myself what I would have liked X3 to have been. So I decided to write up a fanfiction 'overview' of what I would have done (and maybe I'll write it into a script sometime). I wrote what would make me happy, and what I thought would make many fans happy. An end to the trilogy, that is not affected by studio politics, scheduling conflicts, or what actor has the biggest potential to sell a movie.


I was wondering if anyone else had done the same? Or what would you like to have seen in X3? If people are interested, I'll post my plot synopsis.

C2...

[Mike059jig]

I will like X3 but i'll be more Negative than positive......magneto scene look fine

[CapBeerCino]

Long time lurker, first time poster. I too am very disapointed with the way that X3 has come about. I was worried from the begining, when FOX moved on with the movie instead of waiting for Singer to return. Its very disapointing to have waited 3 years for a movie that trashes character, previous movies, and sourse material... blah blah blah...we have 900 pages of this, you know what I'm saying, so I don't think i need to go futher.

A couple of weeks ago, while I was very frusterated, I asked myself what I would have liked X3 to have been. So I decided to write up a fanfiction 'overview' of what I would have done (and maybe I'll write it into a script sometime). I wrote what would make me happy, and what I thought would make many fans happy. An end to the trilogy, that is not affected by studio politics, scheduling conflicts, or what actor has the biggest potential to sell a movie.


I was wondering if anyone else had done the same? Or what would you like to have seen in X3? If people are interested, I'll post my plot synopsis.

C2...

Hello and welcome. :)
Why post synopsis? Post the link...
Fanfiction is all that is keeping me sane nowadays...

[Jessie]

Agreed. Send it over, I'd like to take a look...

Oh and hi!!

[casusev]

i think cyclops fans have always had the hardest time, he isnt the most popular character
So true. I find that I'm always defending myself when I tell people that Cyclops is my favorite. "You like Cyclops?! Why He's such a *****! Wolverine is so much cooler"... grrr...

C2...

[Jessie]

Just gotta add...50th post!! now...where and how do I get me an avatar....

[BMM]

Just gotta add...50th post!! now...where and how do I get me an avatar....

Haha. Sorry, but unless they've changed the rules, you have 250 more posts to go before you can get yourself an avatar. I believe 300 is the minimum.

[CapBeerCino]

Just gotta add...50th post!! now...where and how do I get me an avatar....

Isn't it 300 posts? (Well, if that was changed- you do it at user cp/ edit avatar)

[Mike059jig]

not a good month for cyke fans..:down :(

[Jessie]

you guys have GOT to be kidding!

I wanted it before the premier.... =(

I was told 50... I guess I got had. Alright, then...guess I got some yammering to do. Thanks guys

[Downhere]

you guys have GOT to be kidding!

I wanted it before the premier.... =(

I was told 50... I guess I got had. Alright, then...guess I got some yammering to do. Thanks guys

There are many useless threads on the hype that will help you get to whatever post count you want. If you go to the misc. film section you'll find some threads that are like ABC of movies...and there are other threads that are similar. Just look around all the boards on here...hope that helps.

[Jessie]

Cool thanks a lot. I appreciate it

Hey, so did anyone ever find out the deal with that poster w/ what appeared to be Cyke in the back?? I guess we'll never know huh?

[casusev]

Don't have it hosted anywhere at this point. It's still in early development stage. Alot of the plot is like whats in XMTLS, but with some major differences (for one Cyclops lives!). The plot is thick and heavy and would be for a film about 120-150 mins long. This project is very inspired by the Chris Claremont era. Especally Uncanny X-men #101, 134-138, and 150.

Plot
3 months after the events of X2, the world is quickly changing. The use of Professor X’s mental powers at Striker’s base has set off erratic mutations across the globe causing tensions to rise between the mutant and human populations. A man named Warren Worthington II has created what he believes to be a ‘cure’ for the Mutant X gene. Defending Mutant-kind is Dr. Hank McCoy, newly appointed as Secretary of Mutant Affairs, who has had an unpredictable mutation into a large blue Beast. Stirring up the Mutant population is Magneto who is recruiting new members into the Brotherhood of Mutants, luring friend and X-man alike. Meanwhile Cyclops, after the death of Jean, goes on a quest to find himself but inadvertently awakens Jean. Jean’s mutation had evolved and resurrected her. However she is not the same person, fueled by her dark power she wreaks havoc and joins the Brotherhood of Mutants. All the while Storm struggles to deal with a difficult choice as team leader and the burden falls on Wolverine to keep the team together. All the plots come together in a fantastic battle, where the future of the world is decided.


...hmm its kind of vague with some things.
It has 3 main plot lines:
-Dark Phoenix
-The Cure
-The fall and redemption of Angel

idk, tell me what you think. If you don't like it, fine. I wrote it for me. If you want me to give more information about the plot, go ahead and ask, I have the basics layed out. But more importantly, what would you do?

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[Thunder Emperor]

Ign Had this to say about the movie

Message to X3 Moviegoers
Seeing The Last Stand this weekend? IGN has an important tip.
by Steve Head


May 22, 2006 - You're planning to see X-Men: The Last Stand this weekend, right? We expect most of you are. That being the case, apart from our regular reporting on the movie, IGN FilmForce now asks you to do one important thing. If you're an X-Men fan, you'll regret it if you don't! At the theater this weekend, when the credits roll, when the audiences begins to filter out of the exits... keep your seat. And then, perhaps, share this little secret with a few of your friends: the movie isn't over.


We don't want to spoil anything for you, but we want you to know that the scene that follows isn't your typical post-credits tack-on. It's a coda for one of the main characters. The scene is maybe 30 seconds in length, but it's enough. And it will surely be one of the more talked moments in the fan community.

Think you know what this scene is? Guess all you want, but chances are that you won't see it coming.

Major mutant war happens this Friday! Wolverine yells, "Hold the line!" - that stand's not easy. All you have to do is hold on through the end credits -

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/709/709574p1.html

I am guessing this is in refernce to cyclops. I hope:)

[cyke93]

Ign Had this to say about the movie

-

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/709/709574p1.html

I am guessing this is in refernce to cyclops. I hope:)

its been confirmed that its the professor, not cyclops.

[Jessie]

Don't have it hosted anywhere at this point. It's still in early development stage. Alot of the plot is like whats in XMTLS, but with some major differences (for one Cyclops lives!). The plot is thick and heavy and would be for a film about 120-150 mins long. This project is very inspired by the Chris Claremont era. Especally Uncanny X-men #101, 134-138, and 150.

Plot
3 months after the events of X2, the world is quickly changing. The use of Professor X’s mental powers at Striker’s base has set off erratic mutations across the globe causing tensions to rise between the mutant and human populations. A man named Warren Worthington II has created what he believes to be a ‘cure’ for the Mutant X gene. Defending Mutant-kind is Dr. Hank McCoy, newly appointed as Secretary of Mutant Affairs, who has had an unpredictable mutation into a large blue Beast. Stirring up the Mutant population is Magneto who is recruiting new members into the Brotherhood of Mutants, luring friend and X-man alike. Meanwhile Cyclops, after the death of Jean, goes on a quest to find himself but inadvertently awakens Jean. Jean’s mutation had evolved and resurrected her. However she is not the same person, fueled by her dark power she wreaks havoc and joins the Brotherhood of Mutants. All the while Storm struggles to deal with a difficult choice as team leader and the burden falls on Wolverine to keep the team together. All the plots come together in a fantastic battle, where the future of the world is decided.


...hmm its kind of vague with some things.
It has 3 main plot lines:
-Dark Phoenix
-The Cure
-The fall and redemption of Angel

idk, tell me what you think. If you don't like it, fine. I wrote it for me. If you want me to give more information about the plot, go ahead and ask, I have the basics layed out. But more importantly, what would you do?

C2...


Sounds great so far, a mixture of what we know plus what we want. I for one am very interested in where your version goes... You seem to have a professional sort of layout, so a lot of people will be interested in reading your fiction.

[Thunder Emperor]

its been confirmed that its the professor, not cyclops.
sucks then:o :mad:

[mustanger405]

OH CYCLOPS.......WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO WITHOUT U :(.....I *****ING HATE FOX AND THE WRTIERS FOR NOT NOT GIVING SCOTT SUMMERS A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY SHINE ON THE BIGSCREEN

C2:Cyclops Fans - United (2006)

Bitter about Cyke? Make it known on this petition (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/748766162)

[Jessie]

Write them a letter

[casusev]

Sounds great so far, a mixture of what we know plus what we want. I for one am very interested in where your version goes... You seem to have a professional sort of layout, so a lot of people will be interested in reading your fiction.

Thanks. Just found a good tidbit from Uncanny X-men 138 which just inspired me to write the ending...(Note: Jean does die in the version)

VO Cyclops:
I’m alone—but that doesn’t bother me anymore.
What comes next? I don’t know. One thing
that is certain. No matter what happens—
I won’t crawl back into my shell again.
With Jean I became fully alive—a whole
human being. I intend to stay that way.

VO Cyclops (cont):
Mutation: it is the key to our evolution.
It is how we have evolved from a single celled
organism into the dominate species on the planet.

VO Jean Grey:
This process is slow normally taking
thousands and thousands of years.

VO Professor X:
But every few hundred
millennia…evolution leaps forward.

[casusev]

Everyone write them a letter. I have. Better yet everyone should send them a transcript of this thread.

[x3xCyclopsx3x]

Hello everyone!
I am new to Shh forum, and spent a lot of time reading through this Official Cyclops/marsden Thread, and have concluded that we need to speak up, and let 20th Century Fox know how we feel. Now we haven't seen the movie, and until then make any Judgement towards Cyclops fate until all of us has scene this movie with our own eyes.

Now with that said, regardless of his fate in X3; I am tired of how his
character has been down-played, and regarded as little more than a person for Wolverine to abuse. Enough. Here is 20th Century Fox Address, and e-mail. WRITE THEM!

E-mail Address: foxmovies@fox.com

Paper Mail Address:
20TH CENTURY FOX THEATRICALS
P.O. BOX 900
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90213-0900

Let the company know how upset you are. No need to be rude or to put people Down, Just voice your opinion on the subject itself, not the names or people involved. The company IMO only cares about money, but Singer, Ratner, the writers, and ALL of the actors are doing their best to make us the fans happy. Believe it or not. Only through positive communication can we have a positive outcome. I know it is too late For us to change X3 now or movies past, but possible future movies may not even include his character if we do not speak up.

I am trying to appeal to all X-Men fans, not just Cyclops fans. Imagine if your favorite character was not done the justice you felt the character deserved. You would appeal to fans like yourself to unite, to speak up for the characters that you love or hate. These characters feed off one another, and make the X-Men who they are; A Team. EVERY, and I mean EVERY X-Men has a purpose to serve, and I would not trade one for the other. I'm asking all of you to understand from the same or a different point of view to help. So please my fellow X-Men fans, speak on behalf your fellow fans and help make the future X-Men Movie one that WE "ALL" in our hearts want to see.

On one last note, I notice that on these boards I rarely see any fellowship, or understanding. Mostly hate or unjustified intolerance of other people and or their opinions. Take a note from the underlining theme in X-Men comics, movies, and the characters you love; Prejudice, hate, and intolerance of any kind is wrong. All people are equal, and all people are unique. You have more to learn from those different than you, then you would learn from those just like you. Respect that, and eachother.

P.S.
I am happy that Halle, and her fans spoke up and Storm is getting the treatment her character should have had from X-Men 1. Cheers!!! And I am also Sorry if I make my own Thread for this, I just want ALL X-Men fans to read this and hopefully have empathy for their fellow fan.

[Daniella]

its been confirmed that its the professor, not cyclops.

Well, I put on the thread about this scene what will happen, but I don't think that you guys liked it too much since nobody answered... or at least, read it...

Now, even if this is a scnene about Xavier, I still think that will contain some of Cyke on it... I may be wrong, but... let's hope...

Dany

[LadyVader]

Having seen the movie today
Yup, you have every right to be pissed.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe, but I doubt it after reading the CHUD review. Does Cyclops actually die? No absolutely not, certainly not like Deathstrike died. They obviously left him a HUGE out, and the movie leaves it up to the viewer to decide his fate.

Will he be back? I'd imagine so. Whether Ratner directs it or not, Kinberg and Penn will most likely scribe it again and since they caught a ton of flack for marginalizing Scott in the Phoenix Saga they may well bring him back. I heard Days might be there next big thing, we know Cyclops is dead in that...but it all depends on how they do it. Senator Kelly never died and Jason Wynguard was alive for the Phoenix Saga yet they were not included. And Iceman, Rogue, Pyro, Mystique and Yuriko never were involved in "God Loves, Man Kills"...so perhaps we shall see him again.

[CapBeerCino]

Having seen the movie today
Yup, you have every right to be pissed.

It opened in Romania?

[CapBeerCino]

Maybe, but I doubt it after reading the CHUD review. Does Cyclops actually die? No absolutely not, certainly not like Deathstrike died. They obviously left him a HUGE out, and the movie leaves it up to the viewer to decide his fate.



He has a tombstone at the end. That could make me decide he is dead.

[LadyVader]

Actually it was a press screening. :) I wasn't even supposed to go but I skipped a class. :D

[CapBeerCino]

Actually it was a press screening. :) I wasn't even supposed to go but I skipped a class. :D


A press screening so late? When does x-3 open?

[LadyVader]

Friday.

[CapBeerCino]

Friday.

When you say pissed - you mean cause of Rogue or Cyke? (or both?)
How was the movie other then that?

[ShadowBoxing]

He has a tombstone at the end. That could make me decide he is dead.Well so did Xavier....

but Rothman probably wasn't pissing on that one:mad: :down

[CapBeerCino]

Well so did Xavier....

but Rothman probably wasn't pissing on that one:mad: :down


True. Are you going to watch x-3 on the big screen?

[ShadowBoxing]

True. Are you going to watch x-3 on the big screen?Yep midnight showing...taking a large group too. Should all the Cyclops fans wear armbands.`

[LadyVader]

I didn't say I was pissed, just that I understand why Rogue and Cyclops fans are pissed. That is no way to handle two characters who have been in this trilogy from the begining. Especially since you have somebody like Piotr Rasputin getting almost as much screen time as Rogue and the only line I remember him saying was that : "She split" he uttered in an almost southern american accent. :)
I'm not very objective so I'll just say that the whole movie feels like a huge wasted oportunity.

[CapBeerCino]

I didn't say I was pissed, just that I understand why Rogue and Cyclops fans are pissed. That is no way to handle two characters who have been in this trilogy from the begining. Especially since you have somebody like Piotr Rasputin getting almost as much screen time as Rogue and the only line I remember him saying was that : "She split" he uttered in an almost southern american accent. :)
I'm not very objective so I'll just say that the whole movie feels like a huge wasted oportunity.

Oh, thanx.

[cyke93]

Yep midnight showing...taking a large group too. Should all the Cyclops fans wear armbands.`

good idea, i dint have time to get my custom shirt made, but i do have a black armband i'll wear on my left arm

[paec_djinn]

I'm just wondering if it is even mentioned that Cyke has disappeared and are the remaining X-Men actually affected by it. Because as far as I see it, if nothing's mentioned, then this has got to be the biggest joke of the new century. And they expected to beat Superman Returns?

[CapBeerCino]

I'm just wondering if it is even mentioned that Cyke has disappeared and are the remaining X-Men actually affected by it. Because as far as I see it, if nothing's mentioned, then this has got to be the biggest joke of the new century. And they expected to beat Superman Returns?

The answer to your question (from the CHUD review):

The first sign that The Last Stand isn’t going to deliver the gravity and emotional weight it requires is the offhand way Cyclops is crudely jettisoned from the story. After two movies of not much to do, we finally have a story – Dark Phoenix - where he can be of some use, where his character can be a vital part of what’s happening. Instead, he’s here for all of two scenes and is then simply vaporised. He doesn’t even get the dignity of a visible death, his demise coyly taking place off-screen. Obviously, his vastly reduced role is one of necessity – Marsden also had a date in Metropolis – but the nature of his removal from this franchise is nothing short of shocking, one of the most abrupt and least mourned character deaths I can remember seeing. I can’t help wondering if that was somehow meant as punishment for pulling double duty on Superman, but it’s still a ****ty way to kill off a main character.

[ShadowBoxing]

I didn't say I was pissed, just that I understand why Rogue and Cyclops fans are pissed. That is no way to handle two characters who have been in this trilogy from the begining. Especially since you have somebody like Piotr Rasputin getting almost as much screen time as Rogue and the only line I remember him saying was that : "She split" he uttered in an almost southern american accent. :)
I'm not very objective so I'll just say that the whole movie feels like a huge wasted oportunity.Colossus is marginalized too:(

[LadyVader]

If by marginalized you mean that his character isn't given anything useful to do or say then yes... I'd have to agree.

[paec_djinn]

No, I read that part of that review already.

I know it's a crappy death/disappearance/whatever but I was just wondering if there was any mention to it following that events, because it seems to me like no one in the movie even gives a damn or is visibly affected by it. It's like "Damn, where did Scott go off to? Oh, but Jean's back. Yay!"

I sure as hell don't like the way he is removed. But I'm hoping that there's more emotion and reaction to his death than just a "Damn, where did Scott go off to?"

[CapBeerCino]

No, I read that part of that review already.

I know it's a crappy death/disappearance/whatever but I was just wondering if there was any mention to it following that events, because it seems to me like no one in the movie even gives a damn or is visibly affected by it. It's like "Damn, where did Scott go off to? Oh, but Jean's back. Yay!"

I sure as hell don't like the way he is removed. But I'm hoping that there's more emotion and reaction to his death than just a "Damn, where did Scott go off to?"

Well the review said "one of the least mourned character deaths I can remember seeing"
But ask LadyVader she saw x-3...

[LadyVader]

Cyclops doesn't get a funeral if that's what you're asking. :down:

[DarknessOfDeath]

-ignites his saber and slashes down at Darth Logan- Stay away from my girl! -turns back to the good side- :p

[peteapan]

The leader of the Xmen doesnt get a funeral. COME ON! Kinberg and Penn areabout as big a fan boy as my god damn s**t. A fan boy wouldnt show complete and utter disrespect to 40 years of history and source material, a fan boy wouldnt have the nerve to go online and say to cyke fans i think u will be happy with what we have done with ur beloved character

[Mike059jig]

I wish every review could see just like the chud review said about cyclops...every review seems to go around...

[cyke93]

I wish every review could see just like the chud review said about cyclops...every review seems to go around...

wheres that chud review again ?

[DarknessOfDeath]

-reverts back to the dark side and slashes away at the Fox execs-

[CapBeerCino]

wheres that chud review again ?

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

[paec_djinn]

Well, must have missed that. Seriously, I have no idea what FOX and Ratner have in their minds. I was always optimistic of what they would spring out for X3, even though I was always expecting Cyclops to be killed.

But the way he is killed and the reaction to it is just really amateur-ly done. Anyone would've known a better way of how to kill off a main character from the previous films and make it have an impact. Heck, part of the beginning is dealing with Jean's death, but yet, how come they can't properly script an impact of Scott's disappearance.

The story has tonnes of potential with or without Cyclops. But small details like this is what IMO separates a believable movie from a corny movie. And the X-Men movie franchise has always prided itself on being somewhat believable compared to other comic book films. It just seems like a schoolboy error which no one in the production crew seems to have noticed. Yet, even though it's pretty obvious that there were plenty of things to touch, FOX and Ratner somehow or rather just couldn't seem to add to the rather short amount of screening time.

I'm just wondering how James Marsden, knowing full well his character would be killed off in such a way, and perhaps knowing as well the minimal impact it would make, could actually agree to continue the role.

I'm still struggling to find a reasoning behind this logic, but I just can't wait till the movie hits my theatres so I can finally get to see first hand if this movie really is as poor as I'm starting to believe it is. I'm still rather optimistic to the other parts of the movie, but really, somethings are just elementary.

Cyclops doesn't get a funeral if that's what you're asking.
Not just a funeral. Does his death have any impact whatsoever to the X-Men, and how big is that impact?

[JokerNick]

vern on AICN gave it to cyke

[Hugh'sMrs]

The leader of the Xmen doesnt get a funeral. COME ON! Kingperg and Penn areabout as big a fan boy as my god damn s**t. A fan boy wouldnt show complete and utter disrespect to 40 years of history and source material, a fan boy wouldnt have the nerve to go online and say to cyke fans i think u will be happy with what we have done with ur beloved character

Some of us weren't blindsided by their b*ll*****.

[JokerNick]

The movie picks up a little bit after X PART 2. Jean Grey is still dead underwater (like Godzilla) and Cyclops (remember, the whiny douchebag with the sunglasses) is real grim and brooding. You can tell he has been deeply changed by this tragedy, because he has stubble.


AICN review

[JokerNick]

Some of us weren't blindsided by their b*ll*****.

there basically giving Mardsen the finger

like I said in my review, after he dies, no one mentions him or seems to care, it's like fox is saying, we don't care that you left, you were nothing in these films, see!!!

[paec_djinn]

like I said in my review, after he dies, no one mentions him or seems to care, it's like fox is saying, we don't care that you left, you were nothing in these films, see!!!

Exactly, that's the point I'm trying to make. I mean if you have part of the beginning focusing on coping with Jean's death, how come the same focus only to Cyke's death this time is almost absent from the later scenes?

[CapBeerCino]

I wish every review could see just like the chud review said about cyclops...every review seems to go around...

the "now playing magazine" review


Take Cyclops, a.k.a. Scott Summers, leader of the X-Men (in my day anyhow) and the love of Jean Grey’s (Marvel Girl/Phoenix/etc.) life. As played by James Marsden, Cyclops hasn’t had much to do in the films, particularly in part two, where he disappeared for half the picture’s running time, and here, where he bites the dust early on, or so we’re told as it seems to happen off-screen – he’s a major character, or should be, especially pertaining to the Dark Phoenix story, and he’s not even given an onscreen death! But most shocking is the means by which Cyclops goes: His beloved Jean apparently sucks the life-force out of him or some such, in a moment that’s more technically polished than but still reminiscent of another picture that featured Patrick Stewart, 1985’s Lifeforce.
(One can’t help but wonder: Is the death of Cyclops somehow punishment for Marsden’s moving on to former X-director Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns? And if so, how petty can you get?)

So Jean Grey kills Scott Summers. That’s one of the great Marvel Comics love stories gone awry, to be sure, but if it was done for the honest reason on the screen of showing us how evil the Phoenix can be, then maybe it could work. But no, the real reason is much more mundane: The Scott Summers character is simply in the way at this point plot-wise, as the final showdown and emotional linchpin of the film has to take place between star Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine and Famke Janssen’s Phoenix. Keep Summers alive and you’ve got a mutant ménage à trois. It is a PG-13 film after all.

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3801/58/

[JokerNick]

Jean was marvel girl????

who did rogue steal her powers from in the comics??

[taintedFB]

That's just terrible. I think its up to us fans to really rally around the character to return in X4. I don't know what they could be thinking. How any of the producers would allow such a travesty!

Again, there is hope that he will survive in the end. There are conflicting movie run times and alternate endings shot!

Also, the fact that he is never SEEN dying in a way almost hints at a return, though the characters think he's dead. If he's not back in a BIG way in X4, then I hope this is the end of the franchise.