Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Daniella]

Yes, it Xavier... just one thing though... they shoud have post some sentences, besides the names...

Dany

[CapBeerCino]

I think its rightfully bigger. After all it is Xavier

Is that how it works? They all died in the same battle...

[Octoberist]

I remember people saying that this leaked still was a a fake. Now we know different.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9886/tombstones9op7ux8yk.jpg

It just sucks, doesn't it. I swear, I wouldn't be surprised if Logan took a piss on Scott's tomb..since he doesn't give a poo about him.

[CapBeerCino]

It just sucks, doesn't it. I swear, I wouldn't be surprised if Logan took a piss on Scott's tomb..since he doesn't give a poo about him.

No, Wolverine is now "the good guy". (I would be pissed if I was his fan, he is completely out of character in this one!)

[JZ1]

just saw the movie and gave it a fair review here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233278&page=2

There is a possibility Cyclops can comeback in x4. They never showed him dead just presumed dead because he is mia. We dont know if he was vaporized or if jean was able to stop it and send him on his way. maybe im reaching here but again there is still possibility for anything. :)

[Octoberist]

If there is an X4. I don't trust whatever Fox or their goons have to say as of right now. Until they make an offical announcement, I'm not buying that idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fox didn't include Cyclops at in X4. They will probably screw out Gambit again too.

[CapBeerCino]

Another review that notice Cyke's death
And indeed, no sooner does Cyclops go for a mope on the banks of that recently expanded lake than Jean rises up from her watery grave, all the more powerful for her experience. So powerful, in fact, that her resurrection seems to atomize poor Cyclops. Ooops

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3803&IssueNum=155

[Chris M]

Another review that notice Cyke's death


http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3803&IssueNum=155

Damn! I HATE it when your resurrection inadvertantly atomises your significant other.

[Chris M]

Yes, it Xavier... just one thing though... they shoud have post some sentences, besides the names...

Dany

Like what?:

"Here lies Scott Sumers: Born loser, died whining, killed by girlfriend"

:)

[CapBeerCino]

Damn! I HATE it when your resurrection inadvertantly atomises your significant other.

Lol :D (you make it sound like bad writing...wait...)

[Retroman]

Is that how it works? They all died in the same battle...
Not Xavier.
In my opnion the leader should get the biggest stone not Scott, sorry.

[CapBeerCino]

Not Xavier.
In my opnion the leader should get the biggest stone not Scott, sorry.

Of coure not Scott! That is - all should be at the same size.
BTW - do you know what about the sci-fi Q&A? Isn't that today?

[weatherwitch]

Not Xavier.
In my opnion the leader should get the biggest stone not Scott, sorry.

Yes, I mean it's frikkin' Xavier. Remember, "founder and father" of the X-Men. Cyke's is cool and all, and deserves recognition, but saying his monument needs to be as big as Xavier's, well, that's just ludicrous fanboy talk. :p

[Retroman]

It just sucks, doesn't it. I swear, I wouldn't be surprised if Logan took a piss on Scott's tomb..since he doesn't give a poo about him.
He looks pretty pissed here to me.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2180/cap0532pt.jpg

[weatherwitch]

Of coure not Scott! That is - all should be at the same size.
BTW - do you know what about the sci-fi Q&A? Isn't that today?

??? I thought it was tomorrow. Maybe tonight. Sci-fi channel, right?

[weatherwitch]

He looks pretty pissed here to me.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2180/cap0532pt.jpg

He looks pretty confused actually...maybe he can't read. OMG Wolverine is illiterate!!! *poor Wolvie*

[Retroman]

Of coure not Scott! That is - all should be at the same size.
Sorry, i just think differently.


BTW - do you know what about the sci-fi Q&A? Isn't that today?
It's today, yes.
http://www.scifi.com/inside/xmenthelaststand/

[Retroman]

He looks pretty confused actually...maybe he can't read. OMG Wolverine is illiterate!!! *poor Wolvie*
'How could i survive the fury of Dark Phoenix?' he thinks.

[Kira]

He looks pretty pissed here to me.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2180/cap0532pt.jpg

He is not mad here. He is *sad* in that scene. He is watching Xavier's grave and then he hears Jean's voice in his head....

[CapBeerCino]

??? I thought it was tomorrow. Maybe tonight. Sci-fi channel, right?

You get that channel?

[Retroman]

He is not mad here. He is *sad* in that scene. He is watching Xavier's grave and then he hears Jean's voice in his head....
....the love of his life.

[weatherwitch]

'How could i survive the fury of Dark Phoenix?' he thinks.

LOL. He's not the only one wondering that.

Can vaporize a human with a mere thought--check
Unlimited, untapped power--check
Psycho personality that tweaks at random--check
Ability to stop a canadian with a quivering chin and puppy dog eyes--Damn.

[weatherwitch]

You get that channel?

Yes indeed I do. But I have no way to record :( I'll try to watch it. I have company coming from New York to visit, so I may not get to. Although, she's a bigger X-geek than me, so we'll see...

[CapBeerCino]

Yes indeed I do. But I have no way to record :( I'll try to watch it. I have company coming from New York to visit, so I may not get to. Although, she's a bigger X-geek than me, so we'll see...

You have a x-geek friend? Lucky you - I'm forcing my best friend to watch x-2 with me today so that we could go to x-3 tomorrow...

[weatherwitch]

You have a x-geek friend? Lucky you - I'm forcing my best friend to watch x-2 with me today so that we could go to x-3 tomorrow...

Yeah. She's flying into see me so we can see X3 together. How geeky is that? LOL. Well, I'm sure we'll do other things...but that's pretty much the highlight we're looking forward to. I don't care how bad or good the reviews are. I loathed (seriously) the first two movies because I felt they were too grounded. When I think Comic book I think action, fast paced, hard hitting. I hope to get those from this film. If not, oh well, I had a night out with my bestest bud. ;) can't beat that.

[Vindication]

-SIGH-

I was the first one to post that...I thought it was bull**** that Gina dreamed up....

How wrong was I?

Oh woe....is Cyclops. :(

You're AN ASS!

[Vindication]

I remember people saying that this leaked still was a a fake. Now we know different.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9886/tombstones9op7ux8yk.jpg

Thank you for admitting to this finally.

[weatherwitch]

Thank you for admitting to this finally.

Yes. However, along with the pics and the chaos at the time of original introduction there was a lot of other "Supposedly true" BS regarding the movie, such as Jean and Scott having an "intimate" moment before she killed him, Rogue and Colossus having a thing (they're in the movie for like 10 minutes...) as well as a ton of other complete crap. So, a load of BS with a few legit pictures does not equal vindication. A liar by any other name is still a liar. :o

[Vindication]

Yes. However, along with the pics and the chaos at the time of original introduction there was a lot of other "Supposedly true" BS regarding the movie, such as Jean and Scott having an "intimate" moment before she killed him, Rogue and Colossus having a thing (they're in the movie for like 10 minutes...) as well as a ton of other complete crap. So, a load of BS with a few legit pictures does not equal vindication. A liar by any other name is still a liar. :o

I guess Scott & Jean's reunion with a Kiss wasn't intimate enough? Oooh I guess you misunderstood that the word meant. Let me point you to dictionary.com

Rogue and Colossus DR scenes look to be cut just like everything in the film as you've seen. 6 months of filming and only 90 minutes of movie? And supposedly everything is on the film. Gimme a freakin' break.

YOU IDIOT.

[Vindication]

Rogue and Colossus having a thing (they're in the movie for like 10 minutes...) :o

Might I add that it mentioned this wasn't expanded nor followed through on but enough to get some tension within the film?

Oh I guess that's just selective memory process.

[hue]

LOL!, I can Honestly say I have NO desire to see this film. There is not a bit of me interested in this. My original plan was to buy the game and beat it then go see the film. Everytime I see a tv spot for the film and game I just look in disgust and change the channel. I have'nt bought the game nor will I even rent it and I definetly won't be seeing the film. I honestly don't want to see it. So I suppose I'm doing allright.

Same here. It is really a big shame, cause the can't go back and remake this movie again. This is it for the Pheonix/Dark Pheonix saga. No more. Probably the biggest x story out there and thats all we will ever have of it. And it would be really lame to even try to bring Cyke back in X-4. People always seemingly dying and coming back. And people only familiar with the movies and not the books would then be the ones complaining if all of a sudden he is ACTUALLY in the forefront and leading the team.

This is what happens when you give something to someone who doesn't like or care about what you give them. They don't treat it with any respect.

I won't see it either. It was hard enough watching how Cyke was treated in the last 2 films. Won't be able to see him blasted off the screen and out of the movie.

[cyke93]

Damn! I HATE it when your resurrection inadvertantly atomises your significant other.

i know. . its like going off to work and suddenly realizing you left your cell phone.. hehehe

[weatherwitch]

I guess Scott & Jean's reunion with a Kiss wasn't intimate enough? Oooh I guess you misunderstood that the word meant. Let me point you to dictionary.com

Rogue and Colossus DR scenes look to be cut just like everything in the film as you've seen. 6 months of filming and only 90 minutes of movie? And supposedly everything is on the film. Gimme a freakin' break.

YOU IDIOT.

Awwwww...did I offend you? Poor girl. Must be rough being so right and having no one believe you... I should never have doubted the legitimacy of your claims...Afterall you work for Fox and all. :rolleyes:

You also claimed there was heavy RoLo in the film and that Logan and Storm were (paraphrasing) "very much a couple and being portrayed as such"...

Eat your helping of crow and move on.

[hue]

Bet you anything Marvel isn't too happy with this film either. That it deviates so largely from the books. That key characters have been so terribly handled. I know Clairmont can't be too happy. He would probably smile and say it was great and they feel honored, but under the surface?

[cyke93]

Bet you anything Marvel isn't too happy with this film either. That it deviates so largely from the books. That key characters have been so terribly handled. I know Clairmont can't be too happy. He would probably smile and say it was great and they feel honored, but under the surface?

they let them butcher their most popular and iconic storylines ever, i hope they said something as well, or if they let it happen, they're just as bad as fox. FOR SHAME !

[Pizzaboy1138]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1405313250.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Did somebody check the new edition of "X-Men the Ultimate Guide: Fully Updated for the Release of X-Men 3"?

What does it say about Scott?
Is his character there at all?

[cyke93]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1405313250.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Did somebody check the new edition of "X-Men the Ultimate Guide: Fully Updated for the Release of X-Men 3"?

What does it say about Scott?
Is his character there at all?

well does it ? hehe

[Vindication]

Awwwww...did I offend you? Poor girl. Must be rough being so right and having no one believe you... I should never have doubted the legitimacy of your claims...Afterall you work for Fox and all. :rolleyes:

I actually don't care because as my screen name indicates ... heh heh... Idiots like you don't ever learn.


You also claimed there was heavy RoLo in the film and that Logan and Storm were (paraphrasing) "very much a couple and being portrayed as such"...

90 minutes.... 6 mos of shooting... bwahahahahahhaha!


Eat your helping of crow and move on.

BWHAAAHHAHAHAHHAH!

You're still snackin' on your foot, sugah ;)

[Dr. Weir]

im just sad they killed Scott off so easily. The way X2 ended seemed like he would take the fore front. Im not the biggest Cyc fan in the least, but I cant deny he is the only one who should lead the X-men.

And I don't like them killing Prof. X off too. Why must they kill characters off?

[Mike059jig]

One of those reveiws hit right on par its weak script writing when you start killling characters off...

[Vindication]

Yes. However, along with the pics and the chaos at the time of original introduction there was a lot of other "Supposedly true" BS regarding the movie, such as Jean and Scott having an "intimate" moment before she killed him, Rogue and Colossus having a thing (they're in the movie for like 10 minutes...) as well as a ton of other complete crap. So, a load of BS with a few legit pictures does not equal vindication. A liar by any other name is still a liar. :o

OK let's count the points.

Cyclops biting the dust and how he bites the dust. (right)

Wolverine being corny and out of character (right)

Angel's story being short but so good (right)

Grammer not bad as Beast but the character's appearace seems a little of (right)

Jean being more of Magneto's hench woman (right)

Jugsy vs. Kitty (right)

Tombstones (right)

Jugsy being a weak link in the film (right)

Xavier's death (right)

Funeral for Xavier (right)

Mystique and Colossus being good parts of the film (right)

Sentinel in the Danger Room (right)

Need I go on?

ASS!

[Pizzaboy1138]

Need I go on?



Allright, what am I missing?

[Daisy]

You're AN ASS!

Miss Lady V... please keep in line this time.

I realize this is an "I told you so" moment, but at least TRY to be a somewhat gracious winner.

[TromaFreak64]

guys so I went to my advance showing of X3 last night and I've got to say...a lot of the negative stuff about Cyclops has been over played. Along with those about Jean and Wolverine. The film was very good.

[weatherwitch]

OK let's count the points.

Cyclops biting the dust and how he bites the dust. (right)

Wolverine being corny and out of character (right)

Angel's story being short but so good (right)

Grammer not bad as Beast but the character's appearace seems a little of (right)

Jean being more of Magneto's hench woman (right)

Jugsy vs. Kitty (right)

Tombstones (right)

Jugsy being a weak link in the film (right)

Xavier's death (right)

Funeral for Xavier (right)

Mystique and Colossus being good parts of the film (right)

Sentinel in the Danger Room (right)

Need I go on?

ASS!

No, no, no need to continue. I see you read the leaked AICN script review and coupled it with some stills. Mmmhmm. Clever, clever girl.

Btw, is that "ass" is so very original. At least your comebacks are consistent. "Idiot" and "ass" seem to be favorites. But go ahead, feel vindicated. I was unaware you were persecuted, but hey, who the heck cares.

"sugah" (And Rogue you ain't), I said it when your original crap started and I'll say it again. It's a movie. A silly little comic book movie that no one will be talking about 5 weeks after release. Your obsession with being viewed as "right" in this is a bit much.

It's not like it's the first, nor last time I'm sure, this has happened. Buuuuuut, if it makes you feel better, then fine, you're right. 100%. Yup, sure. No question about it. Sincere apologies for ever, ever doubting your pristine word. There. Hope you feel better.

[TromaFreak64]

First I want to say this...Wolverine and Jean--NO RELATIONSHIP. Jean loves Cyclops, Xavier even throws it in her face what she did to the "SCOTT THE MAN YOU LOVE" during their battle.

Scott is not as forgotten as everyone says. Wolverine is obviously concerned about him, he even makes comment that we need to win the final battle so the visions of Scott and Xavier can live on.

There are other touches. Scott is more important than I was led to believe. And Yes Wolverine is in LOVE with Jean Grey--Jean Grey however is NOT in love with him. Jean made her choice it was Scott--she loved Scott. Wolverine loves her, she does NOT love him back.

Jean has the connections with Scott at the beginning of the film, she calls out to him to find her. Phoenix is like the one in the comics in that she LOVES to feel emotions, joy, pain, rage, lust etc. Phoenix kisses Wolverine, Wolverine knows its not Jean....Jean quickly comes back to the surface when Wolverine then ask WHERE IS SCOTT!? and we realize like Xavier said they are two different people--Jean clearly loves Scott...and I enjoyed the film.

[Pizzaboy1138]

There are other touches. Scott is more important than I was led to believe.

I wish somebody would take their time and write down everything they can remember about Scott's role in this movie.
Who remembers him, who talks about him, when does he get mentioned?

I'd be grateful.

[TromaFreak64]

I wish somebody would take their time and write down everything they can remember about Scott's role in this movie.
Who remembers him, who talks about him, when does he get mentioned?

I'd be grateful.

I'll do it. Give me a moment and I will and try to cover when they mention him as well.

[Pizzaboy1138]

I'll do it. Give me a moment and I will and try to cover when they mention him as well.

Thanks.

[DarknessOfDeath]

First I want to say this...Wolverine and Jean--NO RELATIONSHIP. Jean loves Cyclops, Xavier even throws it in her face what she did to the "SCOTT THE MAN YOU LOVE" during their battle.

Scott is not as forgotten as everyone says. Wolverine is obviously concerned about him, he even makes comment that we need to win the final battle so the visions of Scott and Xavier can live on.

There are other touches. Scott is more important than I was led to believe. And Yes Wolverine is in LOVE with Jean Grey--Jean Grey however is NOT in love with him. Jean made her choice it was Scott--she loved Scott. Wolverine loves her, she does NOT love him back.

Jean has the connections with Scott at the beginning of the film, she calls out to him to find her. Phoenix is like the one in the comics in that she LOVES to feel emotions, joy, pain, rage, lust etc. Phoenix kisses Wolverine, Wolverine knows its not Jean....Jean quickly comes back to the surface when Wolverine then ask WHERE IS SCOTT!? and we realize like Xavier said they are two different people--Jean clearly loves Scott...and I enjoyed the film.

thats exactly how I see it.

But on a side note, Jean does care about Logan, but doesn't love him in the same way she loves Scott. The End.

[TromaFreak64]

SCOTT'S ROLE

1st Scene
Cyclops is sitting in his room on the bed crying. He has his bags packed and already is ready to go. He hears Jeans voice calling out to him.

2nd Scene
Cyclops is preparing to leave, and he has his brief run in with Wolverine where they exchange words which ends with Scott remarking "We don't all heal as fast as you Logan"

3rd Scene
A nice transition really, after some images of the convoys moving among other things it pulls back to the lake with the destroyed damn and Cyclops blazing down the road on his motorcycle. He arrives at the lake and puts down the kick stand. Has some cool boots. He walks up to the lake.

Suddently he begins to hear voices...it is Jean she keeps telling him things and he doesn't understand. He holds his head in pain it appears then suddenly he rips off his sunglasses and blast the lake. A few moments pass and we see a wirlpool forming then a burst. Suddenly a huge wave and Cyclops is tossed to the ground really hard. He gets up and Jean is there before him. He asked her how its possible, she seems confused but they are both happy to see each other they hug. She then takes his sunglasses off and controls his beams--we see his eyes and then they kiss suddenly Jean turns all BLACK...and Scott's skin is shown as it begins to vibrate it looks like something is moving around under his skin. Then it cuts away.

SCOTT MENTIONED
Doing these from memory....
-Wolverine says he is just a sub to storm and if she has a problem to take it up with Scott (since he is the leader aftertall)
-Xavier speech to Storm that Scott is a changed man since Jean died.
-Wolverine asking where he is
-Xavier throwing it into Jean's face that she killed the man she loved
-Wolverine stating to the team they must do this for Xavier and Scott so they will not be forgotten or have died in vain
-Scott's headstone next to Jean

That's all the major stuff. Xavier's line was among the most powerful.

[TromaFreak64]

In the film Jean never once says anything about caring for Logan and it could be easily argued she selected him to help her because he cares enough to kill her and he is "probably" in the movieverse and given the scenario at the end where the "lesser of two evils" must be choosen--the only one who can on the X-men.

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ I shouldn't have read that....spoiler tag...but thank you for that :)

[TromaFreak64]

There seems to be the same number of times Scott is mentioned as Xavier is following their respective deaths by the way. Xavier actually seems to have one more mention really.


-Storm and everyone at Xavier's funeral....Storm only one specifically
-X-men discussing since Xavier died if the school should as well
-Kitty misses him, he personally invited her and bobby to the school
-Magneto stating that it is his only regret that Charles had to die and that Pyro will have never done anywhere near as much for the mutant cause as Charles
-Charles always wanted to build bridges comment


I am sure there is another....Mags is visably shaken by the death.

[DarknessOfDeath]

In the film Jean never once says anything about caring for Logan and it could be easily argued she selected him to help her because he cares enough to kill her and he is "probably" in the movieverse and given the scenario at the end where the "lesser of two evils" must be choosen--the only one who can on the X-men.

Well deep down...she cares...but its not like I was expecting her to say that she cares about him out loud... but again thats just me.

thank you Troma for ur input :)

[Pizzaboy1138]

SCOTT'S ROLE

1st Scene
Cyclops is sitting in his room on the bed crying. He has his bags packed and already is ready to go. He hears Jeans voice calling out to him.

2nd Scene
Cyclops is preparing to leave, and he has his brief run in with Wolverine where they exchange words which ends with Scott remarking "We don't all heal as fast as you Logan"

3rd Scene
A nice transition really, after some images of the convoys moving among other things it pulls back to the lake with the destroyed damn and Cyclops blazing down the road on his motorcycle. He arrives at the lake and puts down the kick stand. Has some cool boots. He walks up to the lake.

Suddently he begins to hear voices...it is Jean she keeps telling him things and he doesn't understand. He holds his head in pain it appears then suddenly he rips off his sunglasses and blast the lake. A few moments pass and we see a wirlpool forming then a burst. Suddenly a huge wave and Cyclops is tossed to the ground really hard. He gets up and Jean is there before him. He asked her how its possible, she seems confused but they are both happy to see each other they hug. She then takes his sunglasses off and controls his beams--we see his eyes and then they kiss suddenly Jean turns all BLACK...and Scott's skin is shown as it begins to vibrate it looks like something is moving around under his skin. Then it cuts away.

SCOTT MENTIONED
Doing these from memory....
-Wolverine says he is just a sub to storm and if she has a problem to take it up with Scott (since he is the leader aftertall)
-Xavier speech to Storm that Scott is a changed man since Jean died.
-Wolverine asking where he is
-Xavier throwing it into Jean's face that she killed the man she loved
-Wolverine stating to the team they must do this for Xavier and Scott so they will not be forgotten or have died in vain
-Scott's headstone next to Jean

That's all the major stuff. Xavier's line was among the most powerful.

Thanks a lot, really.

[TromaFreak64]

Well deep down...she cares...but its not like I was expecting her to say that she cares about him out loud... but again thats just me.

thank you Troma for ur input :)

Well I don't want to say she doesn't care....its just it has been WAY over played by many of the people fearing the worst for Cyclops...is death is very important to the film and now that I have seen it, I kind of like the way it all works out. I mean of course things could have been different, but I was told to expect such terrible treatment that I was greatly suprised.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well I don't want to say she doesn't care....its just it has been WAY over played by many of the people fearing the worst for Cyclops...is death is very important to the film and now that I have seen it, I kind of like the way it all works out. I mean of course things could have been different, but I was told to expect such terrible treatment that I was greatly suprised.

Can you expand on that part just a bit? were you surprised ... did u still have doubts?





wanna be on my buddy list? ... :p

[Pizzaboy1138]

Reading this, I like his character in this movie more.
His role is definitely too short and everything, but I like this emotional side of Scott.
If his role would have been bigger, he would have had to push his emotions back to fight, but with this little time and story arc ...
I'm glad James Marsden did him justice.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Reading this, I like his character in this movie more.
His role is definitely too short and everything, but I like this emotional side of Scott.
If his role would have been bigger, he would have had to push his emotions back to fight, but with this little time and story arc ...
I'm glad James Marsden did him justice.

I agree. :)

thanks... -keeps watching SW episode 3-

gah shut up Padme... "request a motion in the senate with that kind of a request belongs." meh

[Mike059jig]

Yeah I guess we have to accept what we get....He did 3 scenes, I mean how couldn't he give justice to cyclops....I'm still gonna be unhappy in the long term though

[cyke93]

im watching it tonight hopefully.. just to get it out of the way you know.. its a shame thatim going away this summer and wont be able to catch superman.. o wellz.

[Pizzaboy1138]

its a shame thatim going away this summer and wont be able to catch superman..

You're going to a place where there are no cinemas?

[taintedFB]

I thought it was mentioned that at the end. Phoenix remembers what she did to Scott and wants to die.

FROM JZ1's review:


Jean- We get a few glimpses of jean in this movie but its not really her throughout the whole movie. Its all the Phoenix ti'll the end and Pheonix finding out what she is and wants in this world. Jean asks Wolverine to kill her off when she is reminded about Cyclops. She doesn't want to live and at the sametime she knows what kind of threat she is.


Not sure if this is in the lab scene or before her death at the end.

[Maze]

I thought it was mentioned that at the end. Phoenix remembers what she did to Scott and wants to die.

FROM JZ1's review:



Not sure if this is in the lab scene or before her death at the end.
Just at the infirmary .

Again now even if later in the movie Cyke is kind of forgotten ( like a lot of subplots )the two or three scenes ( especially Jean in the infirmary ) where people speak of him are really good and remind how great James was especially in the moment he retrieve Famke ..it should have been longer , but really it was good i Saw passion between them:) :up:

[ginny_weasley]

When are you seeing x-3?

Hopefully tonight. A friend is trying to get some tickets for midnight show. No idea if any are left though.

u?

You know, I have to say, at least Scott is avoiding this fate (http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3803&IssueNum=155):

"Jackman is subjected to one of the tackiest clichés in the book: i.e., hero sees loved one die; hero drops to knees and screams, “Noooooooooooo- ooo!”; camera rapidly pulls straight up, showing hero isolated in despair. The Simpsons has been poking fun at that one for at least a decade."

^^^glad at least that good ole Scott isn't being subjected to this.

[TromaFreak64]

Just at the infirmary .

Again now even if later in the movie Cyke is kind of forgotten ( like a lot of subplots )the two or three scenes ( especially Jean in the infirmary ) where people speak of him are really good and remind how great James was especially in the moment he retrieve Famke ..it should have been longer , but really it was good i Saw passion between them:) :up:

He really isn't "forgotten" read what I wrote above, but they do mention him. Even Wolverine before they enter the final battle.

[Rac]

Not sure if this is in the lab scene or before her death at the end.
Lab scene. No mention of Cyke in the end scene.


EDIT: Slow net... Maze was quicker.

[ginny_weasley]

He really isn't "forgotten" read what I wrote above, but they do mention him. Even Wolverine before they enter the final battle.

Reading the list you gave earlier gives me some hope. I had thought that Jean was the only one who would remember Scott - glad to see the others do too :up:

[CapBeerCino]

Hopefully tonight. A friend is trying to get some tickets for midnight show. No idea if any are left though.

u?

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Tomorrow night. I wonder if I'll go soft as well.

[WorthyStevens]

Well guys, the post-movie Q&A thread for Kinberg and Penn is now open...

Just don't screw it up and ***** at them. :p

Be reasonable and calm in your questions. ;)

[ginny_weasley]

Well guys, the post-movie Q&A thread for Kinberg and Penn is now open...

Just don't screw it up and ***** at them. :p

Be reasonable and calm in your questions. ;)

It may not have been good to alert this thread....pitchforks are already sharpened...:p

[DarknessOfDeath]

I asked Simon about the Phoenix effects...

[WorthyStevens]

It may not have been good to alert this thread....pitchforks are already sharpened...:p

Well, I did put my own disclaimer in the post.

Not my fault as to what happens after that. :p

[Maze]

He really isn't "forgotten" read what I wrote above, but they do mention him. Even Wolverine before they enter the final battle.
i read you and it's funny (and i may be wrong) but i remember wolverine only talking about Xavier , but again it's maybe me or the way Jackman acted , that was unmemorable imo there(but overall he is good )or maybe that running time..Again everything happen so fast that it's possible that i didn't noticed (or/and care) what he was saying.(and personnaly i didn't found his statement about Xavier moving)

[Mic]

I asked Simon about the Phoenix effects...
I asked about Cyke, Colossus, fans reactions and Juggernaut. :o

[Nathan]

I hate my friends, they were even celebrating that Cyclops got killed off. One of my friends main reason for hating him is because, and I quote, "I think his powers are stupid, he can only shoot lasers out of his eyes".

I wanted to ***** slap them around the theater. And Cykes isn't even my favorite character.

[DarknessOfDeath]

good... :o








sorry... just having a moment... :O

[xwolverine2]

good... :o
sorry... just having a moment... :O
good that cykes is dead?:confused:

[DarknessOfDeath]

good that cykes is dead?:confused:


No... it was in response to Mic's post.

[Mic]

I hate my friends, they were even celebrating that Cyclops got killed off. One of my friends main reason for hating him is because, and I quote, "I think his powers are stupid, he can only shoot lasers out of his eyes".

I wanted to ***** slap them around the theater. And Cykes isn't even my favorite character.
Your not irish are you?

[taintedFB]

It is unfortunate, but again, there are a million ways to bring him back. Considering that alot of reviewers are mentioning this underplayed and rushed death, I think FOX was testing the waters.

Perhaps, they purposely don't show his death so that they can bring him back IF they do a sequel. X4: The Search for Scott.

I would be all giddy at the thought of his return. But honestly, I think this is it for X-Men. And I'm delighted to hear that Scott's scenes were great and that his death wasn't in the first 5 minutes as feared. It seems like the cure plot unfold first, so his role isn't over until 20 minutes intoa film that's only 103 minutes long WITH credits. The fact that he is mentioned is also comforting.

I think Hugh is tired of this ensemble crap and doesn't want to do anymore "team" movies. He wants Wolverine and ONLY Wolverine. And Shuller Donner said she wouldn't do an X-Men movie without him, which is a mistake.

I think they can bring Scott back and introduce Gambit as the rebel and it would work.

[Nathan]

Your not irish are you?

I'm sorry? Why do you ask if I'm irish?

[Aiden]

I already have in my head a way to bring Scott back and it could work

[Mic]

I'm sorry? Why do you ask if I'm irish?
I remember you saying you saw it 'last night' in another thread. Screenings where on last night in Ireland.


Plus im bored.:up:

[WorthyStevens]

Your not irish are you?

Is there anything wrong with that...? :o

[taintedFB]

There are so many outs to his presumed death we could start a whole new thread about it!

[Mic]

Is there anything wrong with that...? :oI hope not.:o

[Nathan]

I remember you saying you saw it 'last night' in another thread. Screenings where on last night in Ireland.


Plus im bored.:up:

I'm not irish. Saw it in germany, Berlin.

[Aiden]

If they introduce Mr Sinister then they can easily bring Scott back, and introduce Havok and Gambit

[Mic]

If they introduce Mr Sinister then they can easily bring Scott back, and introduce Havok and Gambit
Did they ever reveal Gambit as Cykes other brother in the Comics?

[Aiden]

Did they ever reveal Gambit as Cykes other brother in the Comics?I haven't picked up a comic in a LONG time my friend.

[taintedFB]

Exactly. And not only that, but so much more!!!! Maybe Gambit is also a prisoner/ experimented on by Sinister. Maybe Scott pulled away from Jean before she could kill him. They both pass out. Sinister takes Scott. And maybe a sample from Jean?

Havok could come after hearing about Scott's "death" and go back for proof or a body or something. It could also introduce polaris.

As far as I know Gambit is NOT his brother, but I believe he is connected to Sinister.

[ShadesOfRedd]

Did they ever reveal Gambit as Cykes other brother in the Comics?

I think they revealed Vulcan as the 3rd Summers brother.

[DarknessOfDeath]

okay... What the hell... how many brothers DOES HE FREAKING HAVE!?! :eek:

Tell me something about Scott I don't know about :p

[ShadesOfRedd]

Who knows? But Deadly Genesis revealed it. Gabriel Summers or something like that.

[Mike059jig]

Gambit was revealed in x-men the end series alternate universe to be his brother...but the 616 universe Vulcan story is much better and i prefer Vulcan than gambit as been the 3rd summers brother

[ShadesOfRedd]

What happened to Adam X?

[DarknessOfDeath]

Im so very confused... :(

see...this is why I hardly read the comicbooks cause theres so many alternate stories and its hard to choose which one to follow along and then you've got this other alternate version of the story... GAH. GET OUT MY HEAD!! -puts his hands on either side of his head- gaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[Mike059jig]

I was comfused with the comics but I caught after a couple of weeks its only about 3 x-title with three diferent teams...DOD something cool you don't know about cyclops is that he mostly date Telepaths...

[DarknessOfDeath]

Telepaths? the only telepath user I know of and is a woman of everything is Jean Grey. :p :O look at my avvy...hehe. :) :o

Cool for Cyclops...something we both agree on... Jean Grey is beautiful. ;)

[gambitfire]

If they introduce Mr Sinister then they can easily bring Scott back, and introduce Havok and Gambit

I have something like that for an idea but it's more like jean never really dies with the help of sinister she comes back and brings back Cyke so they both play bad guys for sinister and then Sinister has Jean bring back Callisto who's body comes back but in the Morlock tunnels and by mistake she brings back a bunch of dead morlocks so Sinister gets Gambit to gather the marauders and bring back Callisto but when they get there The Marauders start slaying mutants and when gambit tries to stop them he gets attacked and the little bit of jean grey saves him and Telepathically tells him about the X-men and everything she knows about them so Gambit has to go get the X-men for help meanwhile the government finds out about the massacre before the X-men due to Police investigating disturbances in the tunnels and then they deploy the Sentinels and so for what Sinister wants with Callisto well she can find mutants can't she? so He would need her to find a really really powerful mutant and so.....X-6 RISE OF APOCALYPSE :D

i boy can dream can't he?

[Mike059jig]

If they gonna make a X4 with Gambit..he better come with a bang like the way Nightcrawler did in.....attacking a government facility of something

[gambitfire]

well with my idea (Post above) there are endless possibilities to how he could come in. :p

[xwolverine2]

If they gonna make a X4 with Gambit..he better come with a bang like the way Nightcrawler did in.....attacking a government facility of something
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY.........



HE MUST BE JOSH HALLOWAY!:up: :up:

or else NO GAMBIT!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

i can't stop listening to the soundtrack. Jean/Phoenix theme is so emotional.

[gambitfire]

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY.........



HE MUST BE JOSH HALLOWAY!:up: :up:

or else NO GAMBIT!!

Like you have a say :o

i count more he's my fav and i say NO HALLOWAY!!! :)

[Mike059jig]

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY.........



HE MUST BE JOSH HALLOWAY!:up: :up:

or else NO GAMBIT!!I heard he said he didn't want to play this character cause it too much like the same character he plays on lost...but when i seen a pic of him I said thats gambit..but its up to him...

[xwolverine2]

i count more he's my fav and i say NO HALLOWAY!!!
BBLLASSSPPPHHHHEEEMMYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

fox better pay alot of $$$$$$ to get josh in!!

[xwolverine2]

I heard he said he didn't want to play this character cause it too much like the same character he plays on lost...but when i seen a pic of him I said thats gambit..but its up to him...
dam him

just wave money in his face!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[CapBeerCino]

I love the x-verse banner with Cyclops Angel and Rogue in uniforms. The irony...

[aaron]

Oh well, :(

im moving onto ghost rider and sin city 2

[aaron]

I heard he didnt take the role cos he would have been killed off lost

[Mic]

BBLLASSSPPPHHHHEEEMMYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

fox better pay alot of $$$$$$ to get josh in!!
Hes far too old imho.
Hed just be like another Wolverine.

[Mike059jig]

Ghost trailer looked cool but it was too much obvious CGI..guess its not done yet...I love ending of the trialier with the whip hooked on to the building

[DarknessOfDeath]

I love the x-verse banner with Cyclops Angel and Rogue in uniforms. The irony...


why on earth do u have to bring that up every single time!?!

This thread for now has relaxed...but I don't want to see it get messy over and over which forces me to leave and take my convo some place else.

[xwolverine2]

Oh well, :(

im moving onto ghost rider and sin city 2
me too..... except for the sincity part.

i love sincity but... theres not much to talk about.

GR rules!!

[gambitfire]

BBLLASSSPPPHHHHEEEMMYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

fox better pay alot of $$$$$$ to get josh in!!

NO! :o

don't make me come after you.....let's take this into the Gambit thread.

[xwolverine2]

I heard he didnt take the role cos he would have been killed off lost
oh please...... like they couldnt bring him back:o

look at ALIAS

[DarknessOfDeath]

Alias? u mean Jennifer Garner came back!?! :o

[taintedFB]

Holloway is perfect but:

1. Would he want to play another character so similar to Sawyer?
2. He would be too old to have a relationship with Anna Paquin (unless, they discard that love story)

Personally, I find Josh more likeable and more of a rogue than Hugh. His version would be a great replacement for Hugh's Logan. Since Logan will have his own spinoff. Maybe Logan could hae a cameo where he meets Holloway's Gambit. I wonder if he'd like the guy or hate him?

Re: Music: haven't heard anything from X3, but LOVE Ottman's Suite from X2.

[xwolverine2]

Alias? u mean Jennifer Garner came back!?! :o
she never died.... but her boyfriend died then came back.....Sloan died then came back......anna espinosa coughbecamesydneysclonecough

[Maze]

For the people that are expecting an alternate ending at the hospital with cyke : no sign yet in France but a lot of people have seen alternate ending with Mystique who goes to see magneto playing chess , and another with an hole in the grave of Phoenix...

[DarknessOfDeath]

.................................. AAAAAAAAAH that again. :p :o

[CapBeerCino]

For the people that are exepcting an alternate ending at the hospital with cyke : no sign yet in France but a lot of people have seen alternate ending with Mystique who goes to see magneto playing chess , and another with an hole in the grave of Phoenix...

That is like giving a glimpse of hope to everyone but Cyke! :(

[Mike059jig]

they shoud show all those alternating ending back to back to back...maybe everybody feel happy

[WorthyStevens]

That is like giving a glimpse of hope to everyone but Cyke! :(

It's like the makers are deliberately trying to piss us off. :p :( :down

[DarknessOfDeath]

oi I can picture...Famke rising...from her grave. "I am Phoenix... Fire and Flesh"


... whats the rest of it!?! :p

[CapBeerCino]

It's like the makers are deliberately trying to piss us off. :p :( :down

Maybe after the hole in the Phoenix's grave with rocks flying above they could cut to Cyclops grave and we'd hear crickets. :o

[Maze]

That is like giving a glimpse of hope to everyone but Cyke! :(

Yup...that's what i thought too..but at the same time (just maybe) that indicate that the Alternate ending with Cyke does exist..it's too much of a coincidence..

[Maze]

ps : personnally i found the ending with Xavier ridiculous ,anticlimactic.

[taintedFB]

Whose reporting all these alternate endings! Then maybe the Cyke one does exist somewhere! We'll probably get to see all of them on the DVD!

[CapBeerCino]

Yup...that's what i thought too..but at the same time (just maybe) that indicate that the Alternate ending with Cyke does exist..it's too much of a coincidence..

We should ask Simon on the x-verse. (I wonder if he still gonna say "spoiler")

[DarknessOfDeath]

Does anyone know the full line when Jean/Phoenix says she's phoenix.. incarnate blah blah ?

[Maze]

We should ask Simon on the x-verse. (I wonder if he still gonna say "spoiler")
lol! yep ;)

[aaron]

We should ask Simon on the x-verse. (I wonder if he still gonna say "spoiler")
Probably, the prick :(

[taintedFB]

I hope the one I see has the Cyke ending because I think the Xavier ending is stupid and Scott's makes the most sense since he didn't die on camera.

[CapBeerCino]

Probably, the prick :(

I saw you gave x-3 an "average" how did you like it?

[Nathan]

I hope the one I see has the Cyke ending because I think the Xavier ending is stupid and Scott's makes the most sense since he didn't die on camera.

Just a moment please, there is a secret Cyclops Ending?

[CapBeerCino]

I hope the one I see has the Cyke ending because I think the Xavier ending is stupid and Scott's makes the most sense since he didn't die on camera.

And because he actually have fans who gives a damn. :mad: :down

[Maze]

I hope the one I see has the Cyke ending because I think the Xavier ending is stupid and Scott's makes the most sense since he didn't die on camera.
Well imo one can of see that his flesh beggining to "burn" and when you see the ending ,with all the demolucarization you can believe that the same thing happened to cyke.

[LadyVader]

Pretty good action movie.
Below average comic book movie. :down

[Maze]

Probably, the prick :(
Hello kol :)

Have you seen the movie?

ps: btw who has seen the movie here?

[Nathan]

I did yesterday with friends.

[WorthyStevens]

Well imo one can of see that his flesh beggining to "burn" and when you see the ending ,with all the demolucarization you can believe that the same thing happened to cyke.

One could assume that. But it could be possible that Phoenix starts to kill him, but something happens that interrupts it.

[Maze]

Pretty good action movie.
Below average comic book movie. :down
yup , but i will add below average Xmen movie.

[ShadesOfRedd]

They should just play all of them and call X4: The Real Last Stand with Singer.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

One could assume that. But it could be possible that Phoenix starts to kill him, but something happens that interrupts it.

And that would have been such an easy explanation to have Cyclops come back in the end, but NO!

:mad:

[Maze]

One could assume that. But it could be possible that Phoenix starts to kill him, but something happens that interrupts it.
Maybe maybe..but at the same time what would have happened to him? i don't see him running away or something..

i don't know , it would seem a little unbelievable imo.

ps: have you seen the movie worthy?

[CapBeerCino]

Pretty good action movie.
Below average comic book movie. :down

:(

http://www.poze-romania.ro/files/the...ut_romania.php

They forgot O-zone's Dragostea Din Tei :p

[LadyVader]

^ LOL!
I hate that song. :)

[WorthyStevens]

Maybe maybe..but at the same time what would have happened to him? i don't see him running away or something..

i don't know , it would seem a little unbelievable imo.

ps: have you seen the movie worthy?

Maybe Cyclops starts to fight it and gets knocked back far away due to a power overload, or perhaps Jean reverts back to normal for a second and stops it. I have no idea how it could be explained, but I'm just saying it could be explained.

Maze, I haven't seen the movie yet. Tomorrow I will. ;)

[Maze]

They should just play all of them and call X4: The Real Last Stand with Singer.
if only it was possible ......:) :up:

[Nathan]

And that would have been such an easy explanation to have Cyclops come back in the end, but NO!

:mad:

I so wanted him to have the "Hold the line!" speech, instead of Logan. I like Logan, my favorite X-Men, but enough already! :mad:

[CapBeerCino]

Maybe Cyclops starts to fight it and gets knocked back far away due to a power overload, or perhaps Jean reverts back to normal for a second and stops it. I have no idea how it could be explained, but I'm just saying it could be explained.

Maze, I haven't seen the movie yet. Tomorrow I will. ;)

No maybes, last movie. If that's what they had in mind it would have been at least hinted.

[Maze]

Maybe Cyclops starts to fight it and gets knocked back far away due to a power overload, or perhaps Jean reverts back to normal for a second and stops it. I have no idea how it could be explained, but I'm just saying it could be explained.

Maze, I haven't seen the movie yet. Tomorrow I will. ;)
Yup i don't know ,again, with what i saw i could just not believe that.

ps: i'm awaiting your opinion :)

[WorthyStevens]

No maybes, last movie. If that's what they had in mind it would have been at least hinted.

If there's an ending with Cyclops in a hospital like some people have seen, it could happen.

[CapBeerCino]

If there's an ending with Cyclops in a hospital like some people have seen, it could happen.

Some people? I heard of one. :confused:

[WorthyStevens]

I've heard atleast 2 people report it.

[taintedFB]

Just a moment please, there is a secret Cyclops Ending?

We don't know, but people are reporting other secret endings...

Human Mystique visiting human Magneto
Jean's gave with an open whole
Obviously, the Xavier in a new body

SO I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE...


AND DOD, I don't remember the rest of the Phoenix quote... sorry.

[Kira]

Cyclops... in hospital.... After credits... Damn. I really need to go see it again.

[xwolverine2]

Cyclops... in hospital.... After credits... Damn. I really need to go see it again.
:eek: @your avvy!!!

wow!!... thats hot!!!!!!!

[Kira]

:eek: @your avvy!!!

wow!!... thats hot!!!!!!!

:D

I KNOW!

[xwolverine2]

:D

I KNOW!
together we almost look like fire and ice

[Nathan]

Hmm... I was already planning to watch the movie a 2nd time, maybe I'll be lucky and catch a different ending. If it's true that is and people aren't bull****ing.

[Pizzaboy1138]

I'm sorry, but I can't believe the whole different endings deal.
On a DVD, yes. On the big screen, not really.
But I guess it might be possible, because, you know, comic fans, geeks and so on are easy to rip off.
Say 5 different endings ->

Fox: "The "true" fans are going to watch all of them! (And don't even count those times you have to watch the same ending, until you'll catch a new one)"
X-Men 3 is going to become the first collectable card-game of the whole movie-industry.

[Endeavor]

Hey peeps. Just an FYI, the Post-Viewing Q&A threads have been opened over on theXverse. Please read the guidelines before posting if you choose to participate.

http://www.thexverse.com/

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey peeps. Just an FYI, the Post-Viewing Q&A threads have been opened over on theXverse. Please read the guidelines before posting if you choose to participate.

http://www.thexverse.com/

already have a while ago. thanx :D

[taintedFB]

you never know

[Endeavor]

already have a while ago. thanx :D

What's your handle on Xverse? I saw CBC and Worthy but not you

[anthropomorphic]

Does anyone know the full line when Jean/Phoenix says she's phoenix.. incarnate blah blah ?

"Hear me X-Men. No longer am I the woman you knew. I am fire and life incarnate, now and forever. I am PHOENIX!!"

Something like that. XD

[DarknessOfDeath]

What's your handle on Xverse? I saw CBC and Worthy but not you

I asked Simon about the Phoenix effects...not in the joint thread. but the single one.

[TromaFreak64]

I have seeen the movie in case I didn't make that clear before.

[Maze]

What's your handle on Xverse? I saw CBC and Worthy but not you
:)

Hey Endeavor !

So have you seen the movie?

[Endeavor]

I asked Simon about the Phoenix effects...not in the joint thread. but the single one.

Ah, gotcha DCW ;) :up:

[xwolverine2]

I have seeen the movie in case I didn't make that clear before.
nice avvy^^:cool:

[Maze]

I have seeen the movie in case I didn't make that clear before.
That was clear to me.

so what did you think as a whole?

[ginny_weasley]

All this hoopla over the end scene....

I don't get it: it's meant as a joke anyway - I wouldn't consider it canon.

Besides, we shouldn't have to beg for something like that anyway....

[taintedFB]

just posted 2 questions in their joint thread.

Asked specifically what the parameters were about Cyclops and if there were alternate secret end scenes.

Seeing it tonight. Can't wait!

[Endeavor]

:)

Hey Endeavor !

So have you seen the movie?

Hi Maze.

Not yet. I will tonight... I was going to wait until next week but my friends are nagging me to go to the premier.
I know I wont be a happy camper coming out but I might as well get it over with now rather than postpone the missery.
:(

[xwolverine2]

everyone asked about cyclops..... like they didnt ALREADY KNOW!

[ginny_weasley]

So my friend got tickets to the midnight show!

suddenly starting to get very very excited.

I'll think of all you Cyke fans while Scott makes his appearance. :up:

[Endeavor]

just posted 2 questions in their joint thread.

Asked specifically what the parameters were about Cyclops and if there were alternate secret end scenes.

Seeing it tonight. Can't wait!

I think the joint thread is better.
I'd personally use the individual ones only for questions that don't have to do with X3.
But you guys can post anywhere you like.

[Maze]

All this hoopla over the end scene....

I don't get it: it's meant as a joke anyway - I wouldn't consider it canon.

Besides, we shouldn't have to beg for something like that anyway....
i agree .but if people want to see that..

Personnaly i don't see the point..to see Cyke in a future film? i fear what they would do to him now...

[Endeavor]

We don't know, but people are reporting other secret endings...

Human Mystique visiting human Magneto
Jean's gave with an open whole
Obviously, the Xavier in a new body

SO I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE...


AND DOD, I don't remember the rest of the Phoenix quote... sorry.


Personally? All of that looks to me as an attempt by somebody to force people to go to repeat viewings, praying on fans dreams and hopes... Who knows? I think maybe that's a good question to ask the writers before you dish out an additional 10 dollars to see the same ending.

Edit: Except the "Xavier in a new body one", we know that's legit.

[cyke93]

i like the question posted by "The Comedian"

Cyclops

- Were your hands tied as to whether or not Cyclops lives or was that a creative decision that you came up with?

- Many of us feel that the way Cyclops' death was handled was disrespectful to the character. Little mourning was done in his loss and the other characters' reactions could almost be described as indifference. His death was not seen on-screen and no time was spent looking for him, despite the lack of a body. What can you say to defend your treatment of this character?

I especially liked the 2nd one, because we don't want it to sound like it we're flaming.

[Maze]

So my friend got tickets to the midnight show!

suddenly starting to get very very excited.

I'll think of all you Cyke fans while Scott makes his appearance. :up:
:up:

I had you all in mind when i saw the scene...:o

[Maze]

Personally? All of that looks to me as an attempt by somebody to force people to go to repeat viewings, praying on fans dreams and hopes... Who knows? I think maybe that's a good question to ask the writers before you dish out an additional 10 dollars to see the same ending.
I completly agree..

that's what i thought earlier..

[TromaFreak64]

That was clear to me.

so what did you think as a whole?

I listed it a few pages back...I also listed every seen Cyclops appears in and every line that references him. I explained to DOD um I liked it for what it was. It was not as bad as I had been lead to believe. It was fast paced, I was expecting a love story with Jean and Wolverine from the trailers and tv spots and interviews...but it was really Jean loves Cyclops, Wolverine loves Jean and Phoenix is all about emotions of any kind....reminded me of Phoenix End song in that regards to the way they presented Phoenix.

I thought some reviews were unfair that said Jean just stands in the shadows--because the ending is so fresh in their heads its like they forgot the first 2/3rds of the film.

I have to say I liked it. I don't know where to go from here and that makes me mad and some things could have been different, but for what the movie was I enjoyed it. I am seeing it a 2nd time tonight.

It's clear that things are missing and cut from reading the books and watching the tv spots--ie You may not come home speech, you knwo what must be done by trask and many others....I thought Scott's death was a bigger deal than many made it out to be and I liked when Xavier threw it in Jean's face. Overall I enjoyed it. There are better comic book films, but right now I am so overloaded with orgin stories that I would watch X3 any day over what could be a technically better made film like Spiderman....just cause I like the jumping in, already knowing everyone and just going from there.

[TromaFreak64]

As far as alternate endings are concerned. I am seeing it at a different threater tonight and I asked my friend who works there about the film and the ending...they are only provided with the number of prints as they are showing it in screens and they all have the same ending. Nothing different either. I already ask its the same one.

I don't doubt other endings exist....wouldn't be the first time, and I expect a few weeks down maybe they will advertise and ADD a new one anyone remmber 28 days later....yeah that's right and guess who did that film?

[DarknessOfDeath]

28 days? I don't think i've seen it. might have. i dunno

[TromaFreak64]

Woops I should explain better...28 days later was out for sevearl weeks before FOX put a different ending on it and advertised it to get people back in the theater.

[Octoberist]

So Troma, they actually mentioned Cyclops throughout the movie? I keep hearing that they underplay his death, as if nobody cared...

[Maze]

I listed it a few pages back...I also listed every seen Cyclops appears in and every line that references him. I explained to DOD um I liked it for what it was. It was not as bad as I had been lead to believe. It was fast paced, I was expecting a love story with Jean and Wolverine from the trailers and tv spots and interviews...but it was really Jean loves Cyclops, Wolverine loves Jean and Phoenix is all about emotions of any kind....reminded me of Phoenix End song in that regards to the way they presented Phoenix.

I thought some reviews were unfair that said Jean just stands in the shadows--because the ending is so fresh in their heads its like they forgot the first 2/3rds of the film.

I have to say I liked it. I don't know where to go from here and that makes me mad and some things could have been different, but for what the movie was I enjoyed it. I am seeing it a 2nd time tonight.

It's clear that things are missing and cut from reading the books and watching the tv spots--ie You may not come home speech, you knwo what must be done by trask and many others....I thought Scott's death was a bigger deal than many made it out to be and I liked when Xavier threw it in Jean's face. Overall I enjoyed it. There are better comic book films, but right now I am so overloaded with orgin stories that I would watch X3 any day over what could be a technically better made film like Spiderman....just cause I like the jumping in, already knowing everyone and just going from there.

i share almost exactly your feelings on the movie .Even if i really felt that Xavier death, the fact, that it was short ,overshadowed cyke death and its importance..in fact there was so much going on in a small time that even when things were beginning to touch me , there was another "dramatic" even and so on..and at the end i cared not as much ..i was touched yes ( but i love that characters and it helps i think) but not as much moved..

[Mar420x]

HERES WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE DID 2 HIM IN X3 AND NOT KILL EM.
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movie starts off with cyclops has dreams of the lake with jean and him talking. he leaves the x-mansion(similar 2 when he leaves in ultimate x). he then goes 2 the lake and finds nothing. he walks through the woods and finds magneto. he tells him he left the x-men and wants 2 join the brotherhood. magneto says no and sends him through the sky. we then see cyclops body landing in Antarctica and never found, but still breathing. this beats the whole death part.

[xwolverine2]

darth maul had a different death:(

[Octoberist]

SO Maze, is Cyclops death THAT bad?

[Maze]

SO Maze, is Cyclops death THAT bad?

hi octoberist :)

i'm going to repost what i've post in Nell thread


It didn't ruin the movie for me

i am a great cyke fan ..and of the phoenix saga..for me deep inside that is a shame , the sense have changed ....

but that said , it add some depht much needed to the movieverse Jean/phoenix ( Famke help her part too even if is really underwritten )Mardsen was good , really good whith what they had given him , his scene with Jean is good ( but too short like a lot of scene in the movie sadly)..in fact for the first time personnaly , James and Famke imo had chemistry , for the first time i could believe that they were really in love , that there were passion between them ,that they had an history together..beautiful..

when later in the movie ,in the infirmary Jean crack down because of the memory of cyke , that is really a touching moment(Famke again is great , you feel the love that she has for him imo ) and cyke presence is felt ..there are some scene when people mention him but it didn't come so strong for me ..i dunno , that's maybe things were moving too fast , that there were so much information..

All in all , again , it didn't ruin the movie for me ..But,i think that if the movie was just longer , if it took a little more its time , maybe his death would have had more weight to me

[Octoberist]

hmmm..interesting. How about the theory that Cyclops is in a different reality/dimension? Would you buy that idea IF X4 had that in mind?

[MutantMetalhead]

I've been wondering about what the implications would be if they brought Cyke back for X4. Namely, this whole characterization of him in 3 as being a broken, essentially dead man after X2. Now with Jean definately dead (unless they bring her back AGAIN), what would he be like if he came back? His love is dead again, but he wasn't even there to see any of it or make a difference. On top of that, she was killed by Wolverine. They either have to change his movie-verse characterization and have him accept what happened (and make it rational) or he'd be more screwed up than ever.

[gambitfire]

hmmm..interesting. How about the theory that Cyclops is in a different reality/dimension? Would you buy that idea IF X4 had that in mind?

Comic book readers might everyone else is gonna go WTF!?

[Maze]

hmmm..interesting. How about the theory that Cyclops is in a different reality/dimension? Would you buy that idea IF X4 had that in mind?
Franckly? No offense for me it would completly destroy what's left of dignity (and especially credibility ) in this franchise..

after that , what will they do Alternate timeline? i dunno personnaly i would not care anymore...(like with a lot of comics of the nineties)

Singer established some rules.."realistic" rules..if one overdo resurection and such it would destroy the credibility of this world to me..

I say let Scott rest in peace.

and bring on a reboot .(even if it's a shame that Mardsen imo was beginning to nail some other sides to the personnality cyke ) ..but i feel (and fear )that we will have a X4 with clones or something..

[gambitfire]

and bring on a reboot .(even if it's a shame that Mardsen imo was beginning to nail some other sides to the personnality cyke ) ..but i feel (and fear )that we will have a X4 with clones or something..

CLONES!!!??????????? that's ridiculous in IMO i think they could pull of the he never died or maybe even brought back by jean.

[Octoberist]

Thanks Maze.

That was my biggest fear. How much is too much... Personally, I think they made a mistake with his death in X3. But you're right, they probably should move on, if they have an X4. However, with Xavier 'back', anything can happen (even though that scene could be a little wink to the fans).

[Endeavor]

Don't hold me to this because I don't know exactly how I'll feel after I see it tonight, but... At this point I don't want to see an X4, or a Wolverine movie. The only way I'd be okay with another X-Men movie being made is if they do a reboot of the series AND if it's under Sony or Dreamworks, NOT FOX!

[Octoberist]

If you think about it, the Wolverine spin-off is basically X4, since he's always been in the spotlight. BOO TO THAT!

[gambitfire]

Don't hold me to this because I don't know exactly how I'll feel after I see it tonight, but... At this point I don't want to see an X4, or a Wolverine movie. The only way I'd be okay with another X-Men movie being made is if they do a reboot of the series AND if it's under Sony or Dreamworks, NOT FOX!

Wolverine movie *gags* :)

[crappymovie]

"Yes, thats what I think he [John Bruno] meant. The very last scene was put there purely for the purpose of an X4 (with Patrick Stewart), and when we asked if Jean would come back he said something like "No!, Jean's dead and buried. Both her and Bobby died!" For a brief second we were confused as Bobby was Iceman...who lived...but he meant Scott." (from the "gossip" thread..)

[Pizzaboy1138]

They either have to change his movie-verse characterization and have him accept what happened (and make it rational) or he'd be more screwed up than ever.

Maybe he forgot in that other realm all about Jean, comes back as a badass macho-guy that actually looks different (whatever hopeful new actor they might dig up) and has a smart-mouth that sets everybody on the edge.

Booo-yaaaaah!

[Maze]

Thanks Maze.

That was my biggest fear. How much is too much... Personally, I think they made a mistake with his death in X3. But you're right, they probably should move on, if they have an X4. However, with Xavier 'back', anything can happen (even though that scene could be a little wink to the fans).

Your welcome.

Xavier "ressurection" to me was stupid ,anticlimactic and a sign , i agree with you than anything can happen now..And (some fans cyke can rejoice i think) a sign for me that Cyke would come back.

Even more , than what what i said earlier that's there that you feel that they have not the balls to go for it.and in the end personnaly i don't care anymore..

and that was one of the Key there..you actually cared.

[Octoberist]

Hmmmm..it would be interesting IF or WHEN Fox will release any news on X4, either denying it or greenlighting it. I predict we'll know for sure by at least August. If not, the Comic Con in July.

[taintedFB]

Honestly. Hugh seems certain this is it. And you know why, because he's got the power! He doesn't want to share the screen with his costars anymore. He wants to explore Wolverine and be the sole star of his own movies. Just terrible. Oh well, at least Scott and Jean are together forever in heaven.

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah.... Jean and Scott making babies in heaven :p

[DarknessOfDeath]

wait...i think they're doing it in my avvy :):p

[LastSunrise1981]

Honestly. Hugh seems certain this is it. And you know why, because he's got the power! He doesn't want to share the screen with his costars anymore. He wants to explore Wolverine and be the sole star of his own movies. Just terrible. Oh well, at least Scott and Jean are together forever in heaven.

If X4 makes money and it will, there will be another one regardless of what Hugh says.

Money talks. I just hope that it's not with Fox and they end up sending it to Sony, Dreamworks, or even LGF.

[Maze]

Honestly. Hugh seems certain this is it. And you know why, because he's got the power! He doesn't want to share the screen with his costars anymore. He wants to explore Wolverine and be the sole star of his own movies. .
I would not say that without any proof ( even if yep he is one of the produccer and that indicate it could be one of the factor ) .

But i like that: at least Scott and Jean are together forever in heaven

that's a nice thought , and i really hope ( but i doubt) that it will stay like that.

[Mike059jig]

what contract did marvel sign with fox anyway..a 3 movie deal or something

[Maze]

If X4 makes money and it will, there will be another one regardless of what Hugh says.

Money talks. I just hope that it's not with Fox and they end up sending it to Sony, Dreamworks, or even LGF.

I agree on all your points.

[taintedFB]

Okay, so I just registered at Photobucket!

Here are my Cyclops Pics:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Cyclops-Jean.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Cyclops--Phoenix1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Cyclops-Billboard.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Poster-2.jpg http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Poster.jpg

[Pizzaboy1138]

Nice!

[DarknessOfDeath]

kissy kissy Jean... Cyclops wants ya ;) hehe. Nice Tainted. ;)

[Pizzaboy1138]

Harry wrote this in his review:

HOLLYWOOD REPORTER calls this the RETURN OF THE JEDI of the X-MEN saga.

Is there a review online where this quote comes from, or was it from a show?
It doesn't say it here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/reviews/review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002539746

[taintedFB]

Thanks, I figured we could all use a little cheering up.

[spidey-dude]

i like the fact that wolverine at least said "do it for cyclops (or scott)" when he was giving his we are x-men speech....even the people behind me in the cinema said "aw man wolverine is totally movin in on scotts bird thats well brass init" casual movie goers do notice!!

[Pizzaboy1138]

Yeah, everybody notices how Wolverine turns into Cyke and takes his job, his bike, tries to get his girl, ... (Cyke with more cool, sideburns and claws, of course.)

[taintedFB]

It's just so wrong! They really have watered down Logan in these movies. They should have never made him an official member of the team. He should be more of an outsider who lends a hand in each film, rather than part of the group.

[Pizzaboy1138]

It's just so wrong! They really have watered down Logan in these movies. They should have never made him an official member of the team. He should be more of an outsider who lends a hand in each film, rather than part of the group.

Which, btw, would have been so much cooler.

[Edward Brock]

You know, looking at the "clip" after the credits, I think it wouldn't be wrong to assume that Cyclops should also be alive, but I don't think the writers even thought about it. So he probabily isn't.

[Maze]

It's just so wrong! They really have watered down Logan in these movies. They should have never made him an official member of the team. He should be more of an outsider who lends a hand in each film, rather than part of the group.


At the ends he is almost Cyke ( with awful cliched dialogue : "we are Xmen" ..i would have really prefered the "she might not come home" speech)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

SCOTT'S ROLE

1st Scene
Cyclops is sitting in his room on the bed crying. He has his bags packed and already is ready to go. He hears Jeans voice calling out to him.

2nd Scene
Cyclops is preparing to leave, and he has his brief run in with Wolverine where they exchange words which ends with Scott remarking "We don't all heal as fast as you Logan"

3rd Scene
A nice transition really, after some images of the convoys moving among other things it pulls back to the lake with the destroyed damn and Cyclops blazing down the road on his motorcycle. He arrives at the lake and puts down the kick stand. Has some cool boots. He walks up to the lake.

Suddently he begins to hear voices...it is Jean she keeps telling him things and he doesn't understand. He holds his head in pain it appears then suddenly he rips off his sunglasses and blast the lake. A few moments pass and we see a wirlpool forming then a burst. Suddenly a huge wave and Cyclops is tossed to the ground really hard. He gets up and Jean is there before him. He asked her how its possible, she seems confused but they are both happy to see each other they hug. She then takes his sunglasses off and controls his beams--we see his eyes and then they kiss suddenly Jean turns all BLACK...and Scott's skin is shown as it begins to vibrate it looks like something is moving around under his skin. Then it cuts away.

SCOTT MENTIONED
Doing these from memory....
-Wolverine says he is just a sub to storm and if she has a problem to take it up with Scott (since he is the leader aftertall)
-Xavier speech to Storm that Scott is a changed man since Jean died.
-Wolverine asking where he is
-Xavier throwing it into Jean's face that she killed the man she loved
-Wolverine stating to the team they must do this for Xavier and Scott so they will not be forgotten or have died in vain
-Scott's headstone next to Jean

That's all the major stuff. Xavier's line was among the most powerful.
Yeah that's it. Plus Storm mentioning Scott when Xavier sort of asks her to take over the mansion if it's needed.

[Mary]

People what about TRL?

[SCOTT&JEAN]

At the ends he is almost Cyke ( with awful cliched dialogue : "we are Xmen" ..i would have really prefered the "she might not come home" speech)
Yeah, I agree. I really liked that line and I'm sorry it didn't make it to the movie.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

At the ends he is almost Cyke ( with awful cliched dialogue : "we are Xmen" ..i would have really prefered the "she might not come home" speech)

Wait, so that's NOT in the movie? What the ****?!?!

[Maze]

Wait, so that's NOT in the movie? What the ****?!?!
Nope they changed the scene,and it's a shame yep, sorry Nell ( btw i talk about it in your thread)

[Dr. Weir]

what you mean the line where wolverine is like "you may not come home...she may not come home, you ready for that?!" Is not in the movie?

thats sucks cause that was a good line.

[Maze]

what you mean the line where wolverine is like "you may not come home...she may not come home, you ready for that?!" Is not in the movie?

thats sucks cause that was a good line.
It was indeed.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

what you mean the line where wolverine is like "you may not come home...she may not come home, you ready for that?!" Is not in the movie?

thats sucks cause that was a good line.
Yeah, it was. And it's not fair that it didn't make it to the film.

[Maze]

Yeah, I agree. I really liked that line and I'm sorry it didn't make it to the movie.
hi :) )

Yup.

You saw the movie SCOTT&JEAN?

[SCOTT&JEAN]

hi :) )

Yup.

You saw the movie SCOTT&JEAN?
Hello Maze!

Yes I saw the movie three hours ago.

[Maze]

Hello Maze!

Yes I saw the movie three hours ago.
Ho.

it must be fresh in your mind...

how do you feel? (i ask that because of you know..)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Ho.

it must be fresh in your mind...

how do you feel? (i ask that because of you know..)
It is fresh indeed.

Well I have to say that I didn't like it that much, but I didn't hate it either.

As for Cyclops, I didn't like the way he disappeared. But I did like Marsden's performance. He played his role in the best way he could. I liked Scott reunion with Jean I wish we could have seen the Phoenix rise, but the whole thing could have been better. I really loved Jeans smile when she hugged Scott.
Wolverine saying that they must stand as X-men inthe memory of Scott and Xavier made things better for me. Althought that whole thing made it look like Wolverine was taking Cyclops place in every way possible.

As for the movie in general: I didn't like the Danger Room Scene at all. I also didn't like the second part of the final battle. I like all the rest especially when Wolverine gets his ass kicked.

I was expecting to see more Phoenix in the movie(the final battle part didn't satisfy me). And I didn't really like Halle and Anna in this one. They don't seem to have that excitment in their acting any more.

One more thing, I regret watching the clips cause I made me feel like I had allready watched the first 1/3 of the movie. I even knew the lines by heart. I thought I was looking at my computer screen and I couldn't believe that I was actually watching the movie.

I also didn't get a chance to see the after credits scene cause noone here knew about it and I couldn't stay in the cinema room all by myself. I'm really pissed about that.

In general the movie didn't really satisfy me(and that had nothing to do with Cyclops role or Logan's and Jean's "relationship"). I'll give this movie a 7.

[DarknessOfDeath]

So... throw something trashy about the movie and I'll agree with it. It sucks Rogue doesn't do anything but take the damn cure. some ppl are idiots.

[taintedFB]

I KNOW!

Imagine X4, new writers and director... suddenly, the cure isn't really permanent! And what's this, Cyclops is in a coma in some hospital in Canada. Xavier's a tough one to fix. How do you explain the new body being Patrick Stewart?

Maybe Bishop can go back in time and undo the events of X3's timeline. That might be interesting. They could use a combo of green screen and reshoots to show him interceding in certain scenes from this movie. It would be a way to reunite the entire cast. Maybe Bishop's meddling will result in Anna not taking the cure, Mystique still being by Magneto's side, and Magneto finally dying. Maybe it could introduce Gambit into the mix and involve Angel more....

Wow, that could be really interesting... going through X3 through Bishop's point of view for X4. He can undo everything we hated at the same time setup a grim future that he is trying to avoid! (Sinister and Apocalypse)

[DarknessOfDeath]

Dude... Help me lower my expectations... :rolleyes:

[DarknessOfDeath]

or better yet, give me a memory wipe :p

[Aiden]

I KNOW!

Imagine X4, new writers and director... suddenly, the cure isn't really permanent! And what's this, Cyclops is in a coma in some hospital in Canada. Xavier's a tough one to fix. How do you explain the new body being Patrick Stewart?

Maybe Bishop can go back in time and undo the events of X3's timeline. That might be interesting. They could use a combo of green screen and reshoots to show him interceding in certain scenes from this movie.I don't want a new Director and Writers. I want 1 more writer to help Zak and Simon. I liked Brett as director

I think, for this movie, all they needed was more time

[Cyclops Lives!!]

Hey guys,Xverse opened up the threads for guestions to Kinberg and Penn after watching the movie.I think that many of us are waiting for some serious answers...

[The Batman]

john bruno said Cyke is pretty dead. They're not bringing him back in X4...

[Aiden]

Wasn't he drunk when he said it?

[Pizzaboy1138]

john bruno said Cyke is pretty dead. They're not bringing him back in X4...

Which would mean X4 without Cyke and Wolverine, Jean and Storm?

Cooooools!