Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Octoberist]

I'm not the biggest Cyclops in the world, but I do acknowledge his importance within the X-Men mythos.

Yet, I feel like out of all of the characters within the X-Movieverse, Cykes never had a real moment to shine (perhaps in X1, but nothing in X2). The sad thing is that I feel like there's no love for Cyclops here either. I was like "Where's the official Cyclops thread?" (And no, that petition to keep Cyclops alive doesn't count!) Does anyone care? I'm not even a Cyclops fan and I'm doing this...for you! The PEOPLE. Yes you, with your overly large eyes gawking at the screen.

This is the lair where Cyclops can get some love. Now show it damnit! :o

[JP]

I care :(

*lights lighter and waves hand*

[The Guard]

I disagree. Will elaborate later.

I love these threads.

[DorkyFresh]

Although I don't care for Marsden AS Cyclops (I wish Caviezel had stuck with X-Men)....I DO wish Cyclops was more refined. He feels 2 dimensional compared to Jean. Marsden DID do a good job at the end of X2 though....so I hope Ratner gives Scott a bigger/better role this time around. Logan needs to take a backseat........I love Logan to death, but they need to focus on other characters now that Logan's past has been, for the most part, covered.

[Octoberist]

I agree with Dorky Fresh. I don't like Cyclops but I respect his role within the X-Men team. I want him to shine and give me a reason to care about the poor lad.

I don't want him to be the 'jealous uptight boyfriend'. I want him to be the friggin' team leader. And if someone says "Uhhh..Storm took over as the leader when Cyclops was absent. So she's a leader as well...uhh".

When I think of the X-Men and when I think of the true leader, I don't think of Storm. In my mind, she's the second in command while Cykes is the General of the group. Plain and simple. I'm no fanboy and I don't know all of the history of the X-Men, but in general, Cyclops is refered as the true leader (not including Prof. X).

People have to think outside of the box sometimes.

Besides, Storm had her friggin' moments in X2 while Cykes was left in the cold. X3 should of been HIS moment of greatness and I just hope that his role got expanded.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I love Slim...

I will develop a pic gallery for this thread in his honor. I'll update this post with it.

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[DorkyFresh]

OC LA Batys got it right....


....Cyclops isn't supposed to be likeable, BUT he IS supposed to the leader. He's supposed to be the friggin' LEADER!!!! He didn't feel like a leader in EITHER of the X-films. In X-Men it felt like Logan was calling the shots and in X2 it was Storm. C'MON! I want to see Cyclops give some commands and tell his fellow mutants what needs to be done to achieve their goal! If they see a huge Sentinal coming around the building I don't want to see Wolverine run off and Cyclops following him......I want Cyclops to tell Wolverine to hide behind a dumpster and wait for the Sentinal to pass so Wolverine can sneak attack or SOMETHIN'! SHEESH!! hehe.....okay....i'm done...

[gap5ewl]

cyclops is one of my favorite characters and is very important. i hoep he has a big role in the third one and DOESNT die!

[Endeavor]

I'm a huge Cyclops fan, and I've thought about starting one of these threads for him many times.
The reason I haven't done it is, quite simply, I don't want to deal with that nagging thought in the back of my mind that keeps telling me what we read in the script review will actually come to pass. If it does, well I don't know how I will react, but it's not something I'm looking forward to. So I've neglected Cyke to try and avoid thinking about it too much.
:(

[Jan Irisi]

Ok, I know I am going to get a heap of flamage for this but let's think about something. Everyone rants about how Halle is limited in her acting ability and how Storm is not the character she is supposed to be because of this. Well, is there anyone out there who may think the same is true about Marsden? Does anyone perhaps think that Marsden is not quite a powerful or adept enough actor to pull off what is required for the character?

I say this because fair is fair. Folks are more than happy to jump all over Halle and her lack of acting chops or supposed ego or what have you, yet no one has brought up what I mentioned above. Maybe James just doesn't have the chops to command the screen, to pull off the leadership qualities that are needed to make Cyclops look like the leader he is supposed to be.


*waits for the folks to come out of the woodwork on this post*

[Joaqenix]

This is my personal opinion, but I think James Marsden is a fine actor. If you've seen him in other stuff, hes always been really good. I liked him in The 24th Day a lot. Really small movie, I doubt most people have seen it. I also heard he was great in Heights, but I haven't seen that.

You can only do so much with the lame material that was provided for his character in the second movie. I thought Cyclops was fine in the first movie though. I understand not everyone can shine in the movies, but I'd expect that the leader of the X-Men would receive adequate screen time.

[DorkyFresh]

Well, as much as I don't want to see Halle Berry as Storm....I wish Singer had gotten someone different for Cyclops also. Although Marsden did a good job at the end of X2....he just doesn't have the commanding presence of a leader that Cyclops is supposed to have. I DO have my doubts that if they put more focus on Cyclops that Marsden might not deliver, but regardless of Marsden's looks or acting abilities Cyclops DOES need (and deserve) more development.

[Xfanfan]

Thank you Jan Iris for making that comment, Marsden is just too young to play Cyclops. They should have gotten someone more the age of Halle or Jackman to play Cyclops. Marsden has the boyish look that does not go with Cyclops unless they were going for a X-men Evolution Cyclops. Since we are stuck with him, I think its better that Storm leads plus we saw Storm begin to show leadership quality in X2 which is a set up for the third movie. That said, I still think that they should keep him alive for the Phoenix Saga storyline and show his relationship with Jean.

Xfanfan

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ok, I know I am going to get a heap of flamage for this but let's think about something. Everyone rants about how Halle is limited in her acting ability and how Storm is not the character she is supposed to be because of this. Well, is there anyone out there who may think the same is true about Marsden? Does anyone perhaps think that Marsden is not quite a powerful or adept enough actor to pull off what is required for the character?

I say this because fair is fair. Folks are more than happy to jump all over Halle and her lack of acting chops or supposed ego or what have you, yet no one has brought up what I mentioned above. Maybe James just doesn't have the chops to command the screen, to pull off the leadership qualities that are needed to make Cyclops look like the leader he is supposed to be.


*waits for the folks to come out of the woodwork on this post*

What an interesting thought Jan. :up:

It is true--they've reduced Scott to a mere pu$$ of a man, but I do believe if called upon James could do the job. In my opinion his grieving over the death of Jean in X2 (especially in the jet) was top-notch and flawlessly portrayed.

But you're right--James Marsden doesn't get an ounce of the hate that Halle recieves for speaking up about her role. Maybe he's taking a hint from what she's going through with these fanboys and has decided that playing second fiddle to Hugh's Logan is not worth defending Scott's role in the film.

It's a shame...because he'll be vaporized as a mere nothing in X3 for NOT being a more pivotal player in this series.

*grabs popcorn and sits back on couch waiting*

[Slim_X]

I hope he doesn't die and has a bigger role than Wolverine.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That said, I still think that they should keep him alive for the Phoenix Saga storyline and show his relationship with Jean.

Xfanfan

Agreed.

Demolecularizing him is NOT the answer. Let him be an emotional wreck and therefore unfit to lead for a while. It's happened in the comics and it can happen here too.

Killing him is not only stupid, but it's unneccessary, as Scott has never died in the comics.

[Octoberist]

I know..for God's sakes, he's Jean's boyfriend. They shouldn't just pull a Boba Fett and kill him off as if was nothing!

[Endeavor]

Agreed.

Demolecularizing him is NOT the answer. Let him be an emotional wreck and therefore unfit to lead for a while. It's happened in the comics and it can happen here too.

Killing him is not only stupid, but it's unneccessary, as Scott has never died in the comics.
:up:
I remember when Arad was badmouthing us saying we're idiots because we were not remembering the fact that the characters have died in the comics. Last I checked possession does not equal death.

[Jan Irisi]

No matter how or why James Marsden got the part, he is Cyclops now. No turning back. What I am saying is that perhaps TPOB realize that he, while he may be a good actor, is limited in what he can do in the part, or he lacks certain qualities to push the characterization over the top as it were. And because they may have realized that Marsden lacked what was needed, they wrote his part (or trimmed it substantially) so the part would not end up sitting there like a lead brick when James attempted to do what he lacked the skills or even the believability to do. They worked with what they had. Fortunately they had enough talent to pick up the pieces here and there and they were fortunate to have Stewart and Sir Ian in place, they were lucky to find Jackman to fill in for Dougray Scott at the last minute...and so on.

[Endeavor]

I hope he doesn't die and has a bigger role than Wolverine.

I would love that. But it's never going to happen. :(

[Endeavor]

No matter how or why James Marsden got the part, he is Cyclops now. No turning back. What I am saying is that perhaps TPOB realize that he, while he may be a good actor, is limited in what he can do in the part, or he lacks certain qualities to push the characterization over the top as it were. And because they may have realized that Marsden lacked what was needed, they wrote his part (or trimmed it substantially) so the part would not end up sitting there like a lead brick when James attempted to do what he lacked the skills or even the believability to do. They worked with what they had. Fortunately they had enough talent to pick up the pieces here and there and they were fortunate to have Stewart and Sir Ian in place, they were lucky to find Jackman to fill in for Dougray Scott at the last minute...and so on.

I don't think so. I've seen Marsden act elsewhere and he's very talented.

Besides what you're saying is very speculative and is basically the same argument being used against Halle Berry. Are you saying you think Halle Berry's lack of talent is the reason why Storm was written the way she comes out in the movies? Because if we're going to start guessing at the writers and director's motives for portraying a character a certain way and then basing those guesses on what we think of the actors talents, well that has to go accross the board.

[aaron]

nope it isnt unfortunately, its a shame, marsden's a great actor.

[Jan Irisi]

I don't think so. I've seen Marsden act elsewhere and he's very talented.

Besides what you're saying is very speculative and is basically the same argument being used against Halle Berry. Are you saying you think Halle Berry's lack of talent is the reason why Storm was written the way she comes out in the movies? Because if we're going to start guessing at the writers and director's motives for portraying a character a certain way and then basing those guesses on what we think of the actors talents, well that has to go accross the board.

That is why I said "perhaps".

And maybe, just maybe, one can go "across the board" as you say. We will never know one way or another, but I can see where it might occur that way.

[The Indigo Fire]

IMO, I think that Marsden's acting at the end of X-2 was amazing and actually almost bringing me to tears. But Marsden's lack of being vocal, I think, has little to do with his deatomizing in X-3. Marsden is the only one of the cast also to be in WB's Superman Returns, a film which leaves a bad taste in Fox's mouth because they lost Singer to that project. I'd like to believe that animosity has little to do with making films but we all know that's not always true. Fox probably sees Marsden as another Judas; and it has been mentioned that Marsden an the lead execs at Fox have gotten into arguments over this. I hate to say this but this may be another case of studio politics, trying to teach a lesson to Marsden for not boycotting Superman. Marsden may a martyr for Fox.

[Lightning Strykez!]

IMO, I think that Marsden's acting at the end of X-2 was amazing and actually almost bringing me to tears. But Marsden's lack of being vocal, I think, has little to do with his deatomizing in X-3. Marsden is the only one of the cast also to be in WB's Superman Returns, a film which leaves a bad taste in Fox's mouth because they lost Singer to that project. I'd like to believe that animosity has little to do with making films but we all know that's not always true. Fox probably sees Marsden as another Judas; and it has been mentioned that Marsden an the lead execs at Fox have gotten into arguments over this. I hate to say this but this may be another case of studio politics, trying to teach a lesson to Marsden for not boycotting Superman. Marsden may a martyr for Fox.

You fricking nailed it. Well done. :up:

[JP]

He was great in The Notebook.

[Hugh'sMrs]

IMO, I think that Marsden's acting at the end of X-2 was amazing and actually almost bringing me to tears. But Marsden's lack of being vocal, I think, has little to do with his deatomizing in X-3. Marsden is the only one of the cast also to be in WB's Superman Returns, a film which leaves a bad taste in Fox's mouth because they lost Singer to that project. I'd like to believe that animosity has little to do with making films but we all know that's not always true. Fox probably sees Marsden as another Judas; and it has been mentioned that Marsden an the lead execs at Fox have gotten into arguments over this. I hate to say this but this may be another case of studio politics, trying to teach a lesson to Marsden for not boycotting Superman. Marsden may a martyr for Fox.

Marsden's lip tremble in the White House scene is what got me choked up.

X3 was supposed to be Scott's movie. It's not that Marsden's in Superman for WB it's that he's in SINGER'S Superman.

[Hugh'sMrs]

He was great in The Notebook.

Listening to people coming out of the theater was interesting. They couldn't understand why Allie chose Noah over Lon.

Actually I prefer Marsden playing bad boys like he did in Bella Mafia and Gossip. I like characters that have an edge (like Wolverine) although I also like Scott Summers good guy. I totally agree with Jean ---- flirt with the dangerous guy but marry the good guy.

[paec_djinn]

Thank you Jan Iris for making that comment, Marsden is just too young to play Cyclops. They should have gotten someone more the age of Halle or Jackman to play Cyclops. Marsden has the boyish look that does not go with Cyclops unless they were going for a X-men Evolution Cyclops. Since we are stuck with him, I think its better that Storm leads plus we saw Storm begin to show leadership quality in X2 which is a set up for the third movie. That said, I still think that they should keep him alive for the Phoenix Saga storyline and show his relationship with Jean.

Xfanfan
Not Storm... DEFINITELY NOT THE MOVIE STORM. Storm had her chance to lead in X2 during the plane scene and you could tell how weak and indecisive she was. At least Cyke had the chance to lead in X1 and he pulled it off. The reason he didn't appear as a leader in X2 was because of the lack of film time. I don't care how young James Marsden looks but I don't think it hurts the movie. He looks fine to me.

[GNR]

I want to see Scott be a leader as he somewhat was in X1.By the way,X1 really grew on me,I find myself admiring it more than X2 recently.

[Timstuff]

Cyke is one of my favorite characters. I hope they really let him shine in X3.

[Sparta*]

Cyclops is awesome and he deserves a bigger role. The Jean Scott relationship was always huge in the comics, but in the movies it seems like Jean Logan and Scott on the side. Pretty rough for one of the best leaders and tactictionists of the marvel universe.

[Kurosawa]

IMO, I think that Marsden's acting at the end of X-2 was amazing and actually almost bringing me to tears. But Marsden's lack of being vocal, I think, has little to do with his deatomizing in X-3. Marsden is the only one of the cast also to be in WB's Superman Returns, a film which leaves a bad taste in Fox's mouth because they lost Singer to that project. I'd like to believe that animosity has little to do with making films but we all know that's not always true. Fox probably sees Marsden as another Judas; and it has been mentioned that Marsden an the lead execs at Fox have gotten into arguments over this. I hate to say this but this may be another case of studio politics, trying to teach a lesson to Marsden for not boycotting Superman. Marsden may a martyr for Fox.

If they wanted their petty little revenge on Marsden, then they should have recast Cyclops and then made the character impressive. Then he'd be remembered as the sucky Cyclops. Instead they punish the character for the actors decisions.

And that's why I absolutely will boycott X-3.

[aaron]

yeah, hes a very good actor. at the end of x2 when theyre in the white house, and prof. x says how loved ones have been lost and scott, you can see his jaw trembling, it made me tingle. one of the those moments. made me think so much more of james marsden as an actor from then on.

[Retroman]

I hope they don't kill Cyclops. :(

[aaron]

they wont

[chamber-music]

I don't think marsden's a bad actor he just hasn't been given much to work with. They give him some good action sequences, screen time, dialogue and storylines he could steal the movie, except directors and writers seem more concerned with making wolverine look cool. They should chill his getting his own movie let him take a backseat in this one and let Cykes, Storm, Jean and Iceman shine as their the characters in need of the most characterization.

[aaron]

yeah wolverines taking more of a backseat in this one, but only for storm to take advantage of

[Electrix]

yeah wolverines taking more of a backseat in this one, but only for storm to take advantage of

We dont know anything. Dont rely on that script.

[aaron]

it says hes gotta a smaller role in both script reviews, and makes sense since he was the main focus in the previous 2 movies.

[duo_gabo]

i just wish Cyclops could get a bigger role other than what they did in x1 and x2...especialy if Phoenix is included i bet cyclops will have a stronger and more dynamic role..

[aaron]

hopefully, it would make sense

but his role could be even smaller than the other 2 due to his work on superman returns

[duo_gabo]

alas, because of that he will be put to minimum use again.. even if they'll stick with the phoenix story...

[TNC9852002]

C'mon,..what's wrong with you?...Think positive!.. :p

-TNC

[aaron]

if the new script reviews true, well.....

[Ions]

I like Cyclops. And with no Gambit, hes my fav character in the films thus far. I hope he gets some attention. :xmen:

[aaron]

yeah, cyclops has been my fav character in the 2 movies

for me, because i very much like james marsden and his acting.

[Darthkush]

Cyclops is my favorite character. He showed potential at the end of X2 and I want to see that continue in this one. He had BETTER NOT BE KILLED.

[duo_gabo]

I want to see more drama with the whole "jean-died-and-now-she-is the-phoenix-and-tried-to-kill-me-with-her-overwhelming-power".. the whole emotional breakdown of cyclops...

[Hugh'sMrs]

yeah, hes a very good actor. at the end of x2 when theyre in the white house, and prof. x says how loved ones have been lost and scott, you can see his jaw trembling, it made me tingle. one of the those moments. made me think so much more of james marsden as an actor from then on.

That's the scene I was talking about. His reaction was so subtle and that's what made it so good. Singer has said that Marsden can do more with the lower half of his face than most actors can do with their whole bodies.

[Ions]

yeah, cyclops has been my fav character in the 2 movies

for me, because i very much like james marsden and his acting.Same here! I remember him from the early 90's when he did that cameo on Blossom! :cyclops:
He's one of my favourite casting choices. And yeah I realise alot of people don't like him. But largely he hasn't had much chance to shine. All his cool scenes were cut from the script. :down

[Daniella]

I know that I promissed to me that I wouldn't say a word about spoilers... but I'm becoming tired of this... and I know that some of you or the most part of you will want to have my head for this...

But listen to you guys... did Arad or Fox says that is Scott who is going to die ??? You're guessing... just because of one text saying that... we don't even know if this was still some carzy idea of Bryan Singer...

Scripts change a lot... in the book of X2 that I have, on the script part, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris says that it's like the movie... a script can turn 180 degrees... so please... let's keep our feet on the ground...

First of... Fox don't say anything about it's projects until they are somewhat ready... did you heard George Lucas telling what would happen in Episode 3 before he began the shooting ??? Or how about the scrip of Mr. and Mrs. Smith ??? Come on... Fox is the only studio who keeps it's projects sealed...

Another thing, who said that James is still doing Superman ??? The shooting started on March and now it's Augusut... Hugh did two movies on the same and Wolverine didn't get any less screentime...

Don't get me wrong... I love Cyclops and Scott... and I don't want him to die either...

Dany

[aaron]

yeah, its definitely not james marsden's fault...he asked to be involved in a fight scene because he wanted to be more involved.

[newwaveboy87]

i think James Marsden as Cyclops is rather perfect. both in terms of looks and how he has presented the character (however briefly). he did have a few good moments in the first movie, his telling Xaiver not worry about anything and that he'll look over all of them was spot on.

he deserves a bigger role in the third movie, poor guy, he's gotten the shaft hardcore.

[aaron]

i know, i thinks hes been f***ed by fox more than any of the cast

[newwaveboy87]

yep. Cyclops deserves better treatment.

[aaron]

yeah, hopefully we'll see much more of his amazing talent in superman returns, not much chance i presume in x3

[newwaveboy87]

you never know he might have the same sized role he did in X1. which isn't saying a lot but hey more then what he got in X2.

[aaron]

yeah, talking about cyclops i watched x2 earlier on dvd again and when hes leaning on logan as grey's just been lost in the water, they dont even show his facial emotions, theyre on logan all the time.

u would have thought they wud have shown cyclops most of all because he was closest to her.

[Almighty Pejo]

Jimmy is a great guy and I'm glad he's going to be coming back to don the ruby quarts once more. I just hope they don't use him as a ceramic basin on which to dump their steaming piles. His reaction to Jean's return and coming to terms with the idea that he may very well have to kill the woman he loves deserves recognition, as does he. If he's given the opportunity, I know he could turn Scott into a stand-out character instead of being Wolverine's foil and Jean's boyfriend.

[Endeavor]

Hugs PJ

:D

[Crowley9]

Marsden is an ok actor from what I've seen. The script so far has just given painfully little for him to do (Wolverine coordinating a team attack at the end of X-Men? What the F-word?!). One of my favourite scenes from X-Men is his monologue over comatose Xavier. Maybe now with Jean supposedly dead they can make him lose control a little and let some emotions show.

[aaron]

maybe, going mad?

[GNR]

James is a class act.He's has great respect for the franchise and has just been a good sport.He was perfect in the first flick.As someone mentioned earlier,he was terrific in the scene where he talks to Xavier as he lies in coma.It's too bad he kinda got shafted in X2,but at least he still served the story.I'm looking forward to his role as leader being more fleshed out and not some "Storm-fest" like X2.He's probably one of the cast members I can see sticking with this franchise past the 3rd movie.

[aaron]

yeah, leading a young team of mutants like rogue, booby, piotr, kitty etc?

[Almighty Pejo]

Hugs PJ

:DAwww....

*Hugs back and cops a feel*

;)

[GNR]

yeah, leading a young team of mutants like rogue, booby, piotr, kitty etc?

I posted this somewhere else but I'll say it again.I would love to see a film where Cyke and Beast are the leaders(maybe Jean if Famke retunrs).The new roster will include them along with Iceman,Rogue,Kitty,Angel,and Colussus.Plus we would finally see the introduction of Gambit.What do you think Kol?

[aaron]

yeah i agree

with the main characters in the movie being cyclops, famke, beast, rogue and gambit.

i want gambit to have so much screen time.

[GNR]

Definitely,about the Gambit screentime.

X4 is still is a possibility.Everyone's saying this is going to the last one and so on.I beg to differ.If X3 does amazing at the box office,which it probably will,a studio like Fox would be stupid not to follow up with another and make more money.Knowing Fox as the "graspers of oppurtunity" they are,there's no doubt they would order a 4th X-Men flick.AS LONG as the script is top notch,I really wouldn't mind.

[aaron]

do u mean with the whole cast back including stewart and mckellen and berry, etc?

[GNR]

No.I mean with the franchise carrying on without certain cast members such as Halle,Hugh,etc.

[aaron]

oh yeah.

i agree.

[newwaveboy87]

i dont know if this franchise could continue on without Hugh. Wolverine is always in every single X-Men book, how he does it i don't know, but he is. but i think we could continue on without some of the other characters. but it would be wierd not seeing them after three movies.

[aaron]

yeah, itll like theyre there, oh no now theyre gone

[newwaveboy87]

exactly. if push comes to shove i will force Halle to do X4. i need Storm in the movies. she's my personal favorite.

[aaron]

will u go and threaten berry?

[Ions]

IF Hugh won't come back(and I find this hard to believe, Wolverine is the only thing keeping him him(as an actor) famous) they could just get Dougray Scott back. Bryan Singer cast him originally above Hugh, why was that? Was he better? Wasn't like Dougray Scott was anymore famous(more experienced though) than Hugh, so there had to be a specific reason why. Wolverine as a character is more than just one actor who portrayed him. He has enough personality to be recast and accepted. Especially if they bring up the fact Dougray was originally cast as Wolverine, and filming conflict caused him to have to pull out. :xmen:

[aaron]

i dunno, not sure about continuinity like that on such a major character

[tamron]

James Marsden is awesome as Cyclops. He hasn't had a lot to do in the franchise thus far, but two moments, one from each film, that really stand out to me that he can nail the character. I X1, it's the scene in Statue of Liberty, how he organizes the team, and then he says "I'm taking the shot." He imbued that line with the quiet, steely confidence that I'd expect from Cyclops.

And in X2, it was obviously his grieving over Jean, very well played, I thought. He deserves to do a little more in what seems to be the franchise's finale.

[aaron]

yeah, a very good actor being wasted

[newwaveboy87]

i beg to differ on if you recast Wolverine everyone will accept it. i don't think i would. that's my problem with the original Batman franchise. after seeing Keaton twice, i then had to see Kilmer, it was very odd. and then Clooney, yet no one else was recast, well except for Harvey Dent.

recasting is bad. just say no.

and to answer you kol, i'd make Halle an offer she couldn't refuse...*coughholdsherOscaroveravatofacidcough*

WHAT!?

[aaron]

lol

i loved keaton as batman, i didnt mind kilmer either

[newwaveboy87]

Kilmer had an annoying lisp. man oh man..."tell me doctor do you enjoy the ssssirkus?" what the freak was that?? honestly man! besides he wasn't as brooding to me. i enjoyed him more then Clooney.

Keaton and Bale are the man(s) though.

[aaron]

yeah they sure are.

but ive got a bias to kilmer cos hes like one of my fav actors for some reason

[aaron]

have u seen the salton sea with kilmer, peter sarsgaard and vincent d'onofrio. some good s**t

[newwaveboy87]

i saw about two seconds tonight, i knew it'd be a movie i'd have to start from the beginning. some scene with D'onofrio laughing, and then it cut to Rose McGowan pouting. i already knew i missed something.

i have a love for Keaton, he's Betelgeuse man. BETELGEUSE! (no i didn't mis-spell that, watch the movie that's how it's really spelled, the movie title is spelled Beetlejuice cause that's how you say it)

[aaron]

lol i already knew that, keaton for jigsaw in punisher 2, hes the only choice, or maybe willem dafoe. lol.

and d'onofrio, he scare me s***less in the salton sea, as that drug dealer. he stole the show.

[JP]

I laughed at the part were the man pronounces it like that.

[aaron]

lol yeah me too

[newwaveboy87]

hahaha that old man is in Pee-Wee explaining that Large Marge was dead. that man cameo's crack me up.

D'onofrio scares me ****less anyway. come on he was the bad guy in The Cell. and he was so freaky in that.

back on topic: here's hoping Marsden will be able to do something as Cyclops. give the character a chance to shine.

[aaron]

yeah, id say hes gotta be involved in the final solution scene of the phoenix, possibly and itd make sense that hed be the one to stop her

[CConn]

Kilmer had an annoying lisp. man oh man..."tell me doctor do you enjoy the ssssirkus?" what the freak was that?? honestly man! besides he wasn't as brooding to me. i enjoyed him more then Clooney.

Keaton and Bale are the man(s) though.Bale: *lisps*

:o

Now on topic...James Marsden is awesome as Cyclops. He hasn't had a lot to do in the franchise thus far, but two moments, one from each film, that really stand out to me that he can nail the character. I X1, it's the scene in Statue of Liberty, how he organizes the team, and then he says "I'm taking the shot." He imbued that line with the quiet, steely confidence that I'd expect from Cyclops.

And in X2, it was obviously his grieving over Jean, very well played, I thought. He deserves to do a little more in what seems to be the franchise's finale.I couldn't agree more. I've always been disappointed in the lack of screen time for Cyke in the movies, but those two instances were just phenomenal.

[Ions]

Wow these threads sure are getting offtopic, nice work Kol. [Ions marvels at the lack of mod presence/control]
So do we think Cyclops will sport a new visor in X-3? Even small and less cumbersome? :up: [Ions tries to get the discussion back to Cyclops]

[Octoberist]

Haha. Lotta Cyclops Maniaics! There's still hope!! This thread is a sucess! That marks the first time I've actually attempted to start a thread and suceed!

[aaron]

what do u guys think of marsden in x2 when theyre in the white house at the end and prof x says that 'loved ones have been lost' or something and u see marsden's face trembling

i thought that was amazing actor

it made me tingle. it was one of those moments

[The Hellrider]

Cyke has been my favorite X-Man since like forever, and I feel like Marsden nailed him. Wolverine is a cool character and all, and I can see why the movies focus so much on him due to his popularity, but still....

...as a Cyclops fan, I feel kinda cheated. :cyclops:

[aaron]

in x2 at the end, when theyre in the jet and jeans just gone, everyones sad and they choose to focus on wolverine only, and you can only see the back of cyclops as he leans against wolverine.

that is cheating cyclops so much, he was the one closest to her, so the focus should have been on him.

do you guys agree?

[TNC9852002]

I bet Cyclops' visor in X3 will be a bit more reflective and shiny!.. :p

-TNC

[paec_djinn]

that is cheating cyclops so much, he was the one closest to her, so the focus should have been on him.
Yeah, and they even gave Jean to Wolverine for awhile and besides I hated how he got pwn3d easily by Deathstrike. At least he could have put up a fight with her. Come to think of it, if the beginning part with Wolverine in Alkali Lake was shortened, it probably wouldn't have made any difference and at least given Scott a chance. Singer didn't even give him any :(

[aaron]

yeah, i dunno about a grudge with singer or anything, cos he gave him quite a big part in superman returns so i think it was mainly the fact they gave wolverine more screen time

[TNC9852002]

Cyclops man-handles three guards by himself, knocks Deathstrike into a wall, gets shot with a dart, and you still complain because she gave him a adamantium kick to the head? :rolleyes:

Don't you remember how hard of a time Wolverine had with her?

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

yeah, i dunno about a grudge with singer or anything, cos he gave him quite a big part in superman returns so i think it was mainly the fact they gave wolverine more screen time
I have no idea how big of a part he has in Superman, but I don't think it's more or less a "big part", but it could be one of those roles where he's in and out of scenes.

Let us not forget that Wolverine was partially connected to the entire plot of X2 to begin with..

-TNC

[aaron]

mmm yeah thats right.

i cant remember what thing i saw on the internet, but apparantly his superman returns role is medium-sized if you can think in those terms.

lol.

[Ions]

He's playing Superman's foil. hahah From Wolverine to Superman, the man is moving up the ladder! His role is similar to Jameson's son in Spider-man 2, except he'll actually have a presence.

Yeah that final scene was good looking all grief stricken. He really is a good actor. I wish they'd give him something to work with(so more people would appreciate him and Cyclops).
All the scenes he had that were cut from the script would of been awesome. There was the origin scene with him in a bathroom at high school with his powers appearing and he blows the roof off(alluding to why he likes to be in control) there was also some dialogue from Jean about Cyclops that was cut.
Then there's the scene cut from X-2 script where he(before being mind controlled) would talk with another mutant prisoner in the cell next to his. Later when he was freed he'd open the cell and find Angel.
What other scenes were they talking about doing for Cyclops but cut?

[Hugh'sMrs]

in x2 at the end, when theyre in the jet and jeans just gone, everyones sad and they choose to focus on wolverine only, and you can only see the back of cyclops as he leans against wolverine.

that is cheating cyclops so much, he was the one closest to her, so the focus should have been on him.

do you guys agree?

Marsden and the character were both cheated in that scene. That should've been Scott's moment not Wolverine's. What was Bryan thinking? He should've focused on the love of Jean's life not the guy who lusted after her for five minutes. :mad:

[aaron]

yep, he probably had the hots for jackman

[Hugh'sMrs]

Cyclops man-handles three guards by himself, knocks Deathstrike into a wall, gets shot with a dart, and you still complain because she gave him a adamantium kick to the head? :rolleyes:

Don't you remember how hard of a time Wolverine had with her?

-TNC

:up: Cyke thought he'd knocked her out and wasn't expecting her to leap across the room and kick him in the head.

I would've liked to have seen a little longer fight scene with the guards but on the other hand Scott taking them out that quickly shows how good of a fighter he is.

[aaron]

yeah, did he workout for the role? or did he not bother because he's in full clothing all the time?

[TNC9852002]

yep, he probably had the hots for jackman
:rolleyes:

-TNC

[aaron]

lol...who knows

[TNC9852002]

*sigh*

-TNC

[Hugh'sMrs]

yeah, did he workout for the role? or did he not bother because he's in full clothing all the time?

Marsden said in an interview that Hugh would be working out in a gym trailer (with rock music blasting) while he'd be in his trailer fluffing his hair and singing 'I feel pretty' Marsden does have a pretty nice bod from photos I've seen of him.

[aaron]

lol, yeah i can imagine..i imagine hes not big, but athletically toned? definition?

[chamber-music]

Cyclops X2 read like this "Wolverines back Grrrr". Xavier and Scott visit Magneto. "Xavier gased Nooooooooooo". Takes on a couple of security guards for about fourty secounds while wolverine gets to take on an entire mansion full of camandos single handedly (collosus punching guys through wall don't count)for about six minutes. Scott gets mule kicked in the head by deathstrike.

Near end of film mind control zombie Cyclops "Scott must Zap Girlfriend". "Scott ok now thanks to jean". Even more near end of film "finally I get to act". cyclops like "Jeans dead dammit I am upset". leans on wolverine then Jackmans like "easy up now scotty your eating into my screentime".

White house scene Singer goes "alright marsden this is your big moment its all a bout you know". Lip tremble. Heavily medicated Singer now angery "Dammit Marsden that lip tremble lasted almost 2 secounds". " Thats valuble time wolverines not on screen". "You know fox is gonna fire my ass now don't you".

End of movie Cyclops "look I get to be in a room with Xavier and wolvereine". "nope have to leave now its the end of the film". Marsden Dammit.:mad:

[aaron]

lol were frustrated by it aswell man

[InsaneMembrane]

Cyclops man-handles three guards by himself, knocks Deathstrike into a wall, gets shot with a dart, and you still complain because she gave him a adamantium kick to the head? :rolleyes:

Don't you remember how hard of a time Wolverine had with her?

-TNC

When was this scene I dont remember seeing on the dvd..just deathstrike kicking him :confused:

*goes to watch dvd again*

[aaron]

yeah he shows a little of his amazing fighting skills

[Daniella]

Cyclops man-handles three guards by himself, knocks Deathstrike into a wall, gets shot with a dart, and you still complain because she gave him a adamantium kick to the head? :rolleyes:

Yeah TNC, I was wondering why is that Wolverine always get beating up by women in the movie before he can kick their a$$e$... :p

Dany

[CoreyIAN]

Bryan Singer,that guy.It's bad enough that he leaves x3 for superman returns.

He brings all the x men crew with him and even steals james marsden from the x men movie.

Why can't he cast any other actor for Richard White?

Now x3 is filming but james marsden is still in australlia filming superman returns.

There will be some delay for filming x3 scenes.I think most of the cast are already in vancouver now.

Halle berry and hugh jackman must be pissed off that filming has to be delay a bit as james marsden haven't arrive on set yet.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Bryan Singer,that guy.It's bad enough that he leaves x3 for superman returns.

He brings all the x men crew with him and even steals james marsden from the x men movie.

Why can't he cast any other actor for Richard White?

Now x3 is filming but james marsden is still in australlia filming superman returns.

There will be some delay for filming x3 scenes.I think most of the cast are already in vancouver now.

Halle berry and hugh jackman must be pissed off that filming has to be delay a bit as james marsden haven't arrive on set yet.

What are you talking about? They haven't delayed the filming. It seems they're going ahead without him. I don't know how they can film the mansion scenes without Cyclops unless he's never going to be there. :(

[CoreyIAN]

They can't film the mansion scenes without cyclops.

Basically they are going to shoot all the scenes that has no cyclops involved first.

That worries me a bit.

Shooting scenes not in order may confuse the cast and crew and they might not deliver good performances.

[Lazmarquez]

Bryan Singer,that guy.It's bad enough that he leaves x3 for superman returns.

He brings all the x men crew with him and even steals james marsden from the x men movie.

Why can't he cast any other actor for Richard White?

Now x3 is filming but james marsden is still in australlia filming superman returns.

There will be some delay for filming x3 scenes.I think most of the cast are already in vancouver now.

Halle berry and hugh jackman must be pissed off that filming has to be delay a bit as james marsden haven't arrive on set yet.

Singer had every intention to return for X3, but while FOX was in Limbo trying to figure things out, he was offered Superman. He said he'd retrun afterwards to do X3, but the studio prefered to move on with the project as if it was no big deal that they were using another director..

and whomever said that Singer was just attracted to Hugh Jackman and thats why his scenes were more plentiful... Please find a different excuse, because first, Wolverine is a fan favorite in every sense. We can't change that. He represents testosterone in every sense. The kiddies like him. Singer's sexuality has nothing to do with his directing.

[Jan Irisi]

They can't film the mansion scenes without cyclops.

Basically they are going to shoot all the scenes that has no cyclops involved first.

That worries me a bit.

Shooting scenes not in order may confuse the cast and crew and they might not deliver good performances.

Movies almost never shoot scenes in chronological order. No, the cast and crew are not going to get confused at all.

[Jan Irisi]

IF Hugh won't come back(and I find this hard to believe, Wolverine is the only thing keeping him him(as an actor) famous) they could just get Dougray Scott back. Bryan Singer cast him originally above Hugh, why was that? Was he better? Wasn't like Dougray Scott was anymore famous(more experienced though) than Hugh, so there had to be a specific reason why. Wolverine as a character is more than just one actor who portrayed him. He has enough personality to be recast and accepted. Especially if they bring up the fact Dougray was originally cast as Wolverine, and filming conflict caused him to have to pull out. :xmen:

You can't be serious. Dougray Scott was cast and had to pull out because of a conflict. Jackman was called in as an emergency fill in and the rest is history. I truly believe that if Scott was called back to replace Jackman, the outcry would be great and many many people would not accept the replacement.

And no, Wolverine is not the only thing that makes Jackman famous. That's absurd. Wolverine put him on Hollywood's radar, and brought him to everyone's attention, but since then, he's been doing just fine in diffeent roles. He is not a one trick pony, and will be around for a long time to come.

[GNR]

Movies almost never shoot scenes in chronological order. No, the cast and crew are not going to get confused at all.

Exactly.

[Ions]

You can't be serious. Dougray Scott was cast and had to pull out because of a conflict. Jackman was called in as an emergency fill in and the rest is history. I truly believe that if Scott was called back to replace Jackman, the outcry would be great and many many people would not accept the replacement.

And no, Wolverine is not the only thing that makes Jackman famous. That's absurd. Wolverine put him on Hollywood's radar, and brought him to everyone's attention, but since then, he's been doing just fine in diffeent roles. He is not a one trick pony, and will be around for a long time to come.I know all of this and I think I clearly said this is what happened. Why are you rewording what I said? How does that counter my saying that Dougray could return if Hugh decides to stop portraying Wolverine(since he's already said before he didn't want to be typecast as Wolverine)? Since he was originally going to portray him it would be a soft sell to X-men fans. Why did you just skip my argument? Did you just skim read and didn't bother to read all of my post because you were in a hurry to rant at me? :confused:
Ok name one other character thats successful that he's done? Besides the disappointment that is Van Helsing. And please list all the upcoming important films he has planned that don't involve Wolverine.[Ions waits for more ranting because someone can't be bothered to read a post properly]

[Jan Irisi]

I know all of this and I think I clearly said this is what happened. Why are you rewording what I said? How does that counter my saying that Dougray could return if Hugh decides to stop portraying Wolverine(since he's already said before he didn't want to be typecast as Wolverine)? Since he was originally going to portray him it would be a soft sell to X-men fans. Why did you just skip my argument? Did you just skim read and didn't bother to read all of my post because you were in a hurry to rant at me? :confused:
Ok name one other character thats successful that he's done? Besides the disappointment that is Van Helsing. And please list all the upcoming important films he has planned that don't involve Wolverine.[Ions waits for more ranting because someone can't be bothered to read a post properly]


Yes, I did read what you posted. I guess I get annoyed when folks seem to imply the guy has nothing else going for him except Wolverine. "Wolverine is the only thing that's keeping him, as an actor, famous". That is far from the truth. And Dougray Scott was not "cast above Hugh" as Hugh was not in the picture when casting was done. Hugh was simply "emergency" casting. Scott was not cast "above" Hugh at all. Hugh did not audition for the part before hand, and had no connection with the film until after Scott pulled out and they needed a replacement fast. He was on stage in Oklahoma.

No, I had no intention to rant at you at all. Sorry if it appeared that was the case, because it wasn't.

And it is not a case of Hugh having a successful character besides Wolverine on his resume. I am going by reviews he has received for roles he has played. While some of the projects he has been involved in have been less than stellar, much of his press has been extremely good, as in he was the best part of many of the projects he's been in. And on his horizon, he has two animated films, the movie version of the play Good, The Fountain (which has been getting good word of mouth), a three picture deal with Disney to star in musicals, and he has an open invitation to return to Broadway at any time, and there is talk of a film which will star an all Australian cast about Viet Nam that is in the works, if he can fit it in his schedule.

So the man is not all about Wolverine. He owes a lot to the character, and was fortunate to get the part and was fortunate to shine in the part, but it is not all he has.

[Hugh'sMrs]

They can't film the mansion scenes without cyclops.

Basically they are going to shoot all the scenes that has no cyclops involved first.

That worries me a bit.

Shooting scenes not in order may confuse the cast and crew and they might not deliver good performances.

Movies never shoot scenes in order. They are currently filming at Royal Roads College/Hatley Castle which is used for the mansion scenes so if Marsden isn't in Canada yet then they are filming those scenes without him.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Yes, I did read what you posted. I guess I get annoyed when folks seem to imply the guy has nothing else going for him except Wolverine. "Wolverine is the only thing that's keeping him, as an actor, famous". That is far from the truth. And Dougray Scott was not "cast above Hugh" as Hugh was not in the picture when casting was done. Hugh was simply "emergency" casting. Scott was not cast "above" Hugh at all. Hugh did not audition for the part before hand, and had no connection with the film until after Scott pulled out and they needed a replacement fast. He was on stage in Oklahoma.



Hugh himself has said (in a video interview so no chance of being misquoted) that he spent ten months auditioning for Wolverine and in the process met everyone at Fox except for Rupert Murdoch. I believe he was number 12 on the list of actors being considered after Dougray couldn't do it.

I do agree with you that he is much more than just Wolverine. :)

[Electrix]

Bryan Singer was approached to do an X-Men movie. Bryan got info on the characters and was particuarly interesting in Wolverine. He was interested in Wolverine because Bryan was adopted and like Wolverine, wants to know where he came from. Therefore, Bryan decided to base the movies around Wolverine and him finding out about his past.

The X-Men movies didnt have to be based on Wolverine. Scripts from earlier attempts to make an X-Men wernt based around Wolverine. The 90's series was successful and wasnt based around Wolverine. X-Men Evolution was successfull and didnt focus on Wolverine. X-Men games (up until Wolverines Revenge) wernt based on Wolverine. Yes, Wolverine was a favourite among the comic fans, but that is a small percenatge of the people who would eventually see the movie.

Before the films are even made we have a Director biased towards Wolverine. There were rumours that FOX gave him a list of characters that had to be in the movie. Among those were Storm, who apparently, wasnt wanted by Bryan. I think from the movies that is obvious.

They didnt need to follow Wolverines story. There are 40 years worth of comics they could have chose from. They could have easily made an X-Men movie, without the focus on one person. Who does Oceans 11 focus on? LOTR focuses on Frodo's journey but he isnt the main character. They didnt need to make Wolverine the focus and main character, but they did. That resulted in characters like Storm and Cyclops being less developed. Cyclops was even used to make Wolverine look better.

They set out to make Wolverine the star. They have made him the hero, the fighter, the charmer. You can tell they wanted Wolverine to be the focsu by the casting. Wolverine in the comics, games and cartoons is 5ft 3. So why the hell did a 6ft 2 Hugh Jackman and a 6ft 1 Dougary Scott end up going to the audition? They obviosuly didnt put out a casting call for a 5'ft 3 guy. Since when have small people been hero's, fighters and charmers?

Bryan should have waited and made the Wolverine movie, which there wouldnt have been if X1 and X2 wernt focused of him. We should have had someone who wanted to make an actual X-Men movie. Like Brett Ratner. They should have let him on from the start. He was passionate about it. Singer wanted to make his life story.

[phoephoe]

I had this big post ready to go and deleted it. (although this one will probably be close in size)

My point about Marsden is that there isn't a single reason that he can't be in X-Men. I'm sure he wouldn't sign up for Superman knowing that it would conflict with X-Men.

However his screen time may not be what we'd like it. Truth of the matter is that Scott left the X-Men for a short while after Jean died.

If he wasn't going to be in the whole movie and James Marsden knew this then that is ample enough reason to sign onto another movie to fill in time.

I think he's pretty much finished with Superman any way. He said in an interview he was hoping to be down there when his wife had their baby so they could get citizen ship and it would be really close to the end of his filming if he was still filming. I heard that she was supposed to have the baby within the last 2 weeks.

Also about them never shooting scenes in order, half of the time they don't even film the whole scene at once. Like say they have 2 people talking and the camera goes back and forth showing each. They do the takes of one actor for the scene then film the takes of the other actor for the scene then edit them together. They dont flip back and forth between camera angles. They can do part of his scene with out him there.

It's been stated he'll be there by the director and by him. Whether he has more screen time, we wont know until we see it.

And as for the death stuff. I don't think it's going to happen like that and I don't think that we had the whole picture. It wasn't cannon and it was bound to make people angry.

Also the script that was supposedly reviewed has been changed as stated by the production people and that the one that was seen was really old and really close to a rough draft. The people who had creative controll over the script have changed too.

[The Batman]

I've been a long time fan of Cyclops, and its shame how he constantly gets screwed over in the films.

His relationship with Jean has no passion or chemistry. The General Audience thinks that logan and jean should end up together and that scott's just in the way.

They barely show him to be the leader. He was in X2 for what, 5 minutes total maybe?

Marsden had to ASK for his fight scene at the beginning of the movie. And we didnt even see him take out the other guards. They just focused on deathstrike getting back up.

That's Why i wished Joss Whedon would've done this film. not only does he have more credibility than Ratner, IMO, but he would've made sure EVERYONe could get the focus they need. Especially Cyclops and Storm. But now, all we have to look foward too is Cyke getting atomized in the first ten minutes

Which is why i probably wont see this film in theaters

[newwaveboy87]

we don't know if Cyclops is still going to be killed in this movie. the script has changed. and i'm thinking they're only going to kill one person, and most likely it's going to be Xaiver.

[The Guard]

Yeah, and they even gave Jean to Wolverine for awhile

When?

[aaron]

i think theyll kill of magneto and xavier

[newwaveboy87]

i think they'll kill of Xaiver, and have Magneto take over the X-Men. like in the comics back in the 80s.

[aaron]

lol, i dont think that will happen man

[newwaveboy87]

probably not. it'd require too much characterization for people other then Wolverine. and be a moment of reservation and would showcase the two older gentlemen, and the teenage boys would probably get bored during it.

JOKE! but it probably won't happen, even though i think it'd kick so much ass.

[aaron]

it would definitely kick ass

but for people who aren't comic books fan, they won't want it, and fox has to consider everyone on a whole.

[newwaveboy87]

i dont know if they wouldn't want it, but i think they'd have a hard time accepting it. well...Magneto did team up with the X-Men in X2, so they might. but whatever, back on topic:

GIVE JAMES MARSDEN SOMETHING TO DO!!

[aaron]

yep, he'll have something to do, getting halle berry coffee's on set lol

[Electrix]

I agree

[aaron]

lol

[Ratcrawler]

I think Magneto's more likely to die than Xavier.

Ok, I'm a pretty big Cyclops fan myself and am pretty pissed off about the whole killing off Cyke rumors. Having Storm take over seems like a pretty crappy idea since I think Jimmy is way more likely to return for an X4 than Halle whose so damn convinced that this will be the last film. Yeah, maybe the last one she's in. Brilliant choice, FOX.

Also, does anybody else think that Cyclops comes off as the bigger man than Wolverine in these films? He knows what Wolverine is capable of and that the hairball could probably take him in a fight but Cyke never shows an inkling of fear towards him. He takes a couple of oppurtunities for talking back if he feels wronged ("If I had to do that she wouldn't be my girl."/Fill her up.") but overlooks or laughs back at the crude stuff ("You're a dick."/flippin' the claw.) He knows he's in charge but he's never really condescending. I'm inclined to shake my head whenever I hear people say he's two dimensional or poorly portrayed. I think he showed more emotion in X2 than Storm "Sometimes anger helps us survive." did desPite having half her screen time.

[Torchd]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? Thanks

[GNR]

i think they'll kill of Xaiver, and have Magneto take over the X-Men. like in the comics back in the 80s.

That would be *****in'.

[Ratcrawler]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? Thanks

My guess is that the newer models are designed to unleash the blasts based on how he flexes the facial muscles around his eyes: Brows, lids and whatnot.

[Almighty Pejo]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? ThanksCyclops' gloves were shown to have a hidden button on the palm in his spot-light backstory from the original X-Men comics, before the 1975 revamp. If he was ever in a bind where his arms were restrained, all he had to do to fire his optic blast was make a fist, pushing the button and raising the ruby quarts shield.

[GNR]

Cyclops' gloves were shown to have a hidden button on the palm in his spot-light backstory from the original X-Men comics, before the 1975 revamp. If he was ever in a bind where his arms were restrained, all he had to do to fire his optic blast was make a fist, pushing the button and raising the ruby quarts shield.

Yea they brought this back in the 2nd issue of Ultimate X-Men.

[Torchd]

Anymore news on how he does it in astonishing I've only read the first tpb? Thanks

[Torchd]

bump

[The Guard]

Also, does anybody else think that Cyclops comes off as the bigger man than Wolverine in these films?

Easily. Which is what I love about how he's been written.

[Octoberist]

Wolvervine came in like a trouble making woman stealer. Honestly I don't blame Cykes too much.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

I felt bad for Cyclops in X2 although my friend pointed out that like if he cries would that mean that his tears are lazer.

[Ions]

Easily. Which is what I love about how he's been written.Yeah, if the scenes they cut were still there. What scenes he has had, would make even more sense. :)

[Octoberist]

bump

[Minisinoo]

Heh. I doubt anyone is surprised by the fact I desperately want to see more of both Jean and Cyclops in X3. Such was both my hope and expectation, after X2.

Then all the bad news began -- we had tango with directors, and the rumors started popping up about Cyke dying, and while I'd love to be optimistic (as TNC admonishes :p ), I find it harder and harder as time goes on. New rumors keep getting in the way. Now there's one from a supposed extra that (among other things) mentions Marsden's entire shooting time takes one day ... I'm skeptical, frankly (I'm always skeptical of rumors coming only from one source), but if he really has no more of a scene than is in that original script, that could, indeed, be shot in a single day -- assuming no equipment or weather problems.

I keep circling back to that leaked script and official denial of those rumors. The thing that bugs me is that at no point have Rothman, Kinsburg, et al., outright denied any of the rumors individually except, I think, the supposed sex scene. The romance is apparently true, however. What has been said is that the script is old. But I haven't heard the scriptwriter come out and say, "Oh, no, Cyclops isn't dying, don't worry." Hmmm.

Now, speaking as a writer, it's perfectly possible to do HEAVY revision to something and not change the fundamental plot elements. So their reactions to the rumors seems more like verbal sleight of hand than denial. Later, they can't be accused of lying because they haven't. They said the script has been heavily revised. I'm sure it has been. That doesn't mean three mutants (including Cyclops) aren't dying, one isn't being depowered, and Storm w/ Wolverine isn't leading the X-Men. (Whether or not some or all of the murdered mutants will return in the final act ... that script leaked did not HAVE the third act included. So I cling to that as my sole source of possible optimism.)

In any case, while I'd REALLY, really like to be proven wrong, I've pretty much lost my faith. I shall continue to listen to the hype, of course, hoping for better news about my boy -- but I'm not really counting on it. :(:( Shall content myself instead with my own narrative version of Jean's return, which has rather more of both Cyclops and Jean. ;)

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[The Original Bamfer]

You may get it... soon, if things go the way they should! :)

[Minisinoo]

You may get it... soon, if things go the way they should! :)

Was that directed at me, or someone else? If you've got possible good news, PLEASE! Spill! :eek:

--Minisinoo
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[The Original Bamfer]

Oh, I don't have more than what I've shared, but we may have some incoming news about the plot soon... I'm sure we'll hear some Cyke stuff! :)

[The Guard]

WHAT!!!???

.. Guard, Are you telling me that you could actually look at the ENTIRE Begins movie and compare Halle Berry's Storm character depiction and developement (From both X1 & X2) to Chris Bales Batman depiction and developement and NOT find more interesting dialouge and character driven devices?????
No. Did I ever remotely imply that? I simply said I don't think Christian Bale had amazing dialogue compared to Berry's Storm. The characters, while written differently, were written on a similar level.

I wont argue with you that Chris Bale is a better actor, or at least attempted to get inside his character in Begins (where as Halle always seemed clueless to me in both movies). But If you strip away the acting and just put dialouge and character interaction on paper Batman Begins kills X1 or X2.

I'd agree with you in terms of character interaction and development (to a point). Dialogue, no. X-MEN and X2 had some fantastic dialogue. BEGINS certainly does not "kill it" in that regard.

I mean Batman is a movie about ONE HERO!!! It is totally and completely focused on BRUCE WAYNE/BATMAN. If nothing else, Begins excels in this area!!! There is no-way you can compare anyones role in either of the Xmen movies to what was attempted with Bale and Batman
No, you can't compare an ensemble film's development favorably to a movie that usually focuses on one character. Nor have I.
Your point of view would be better served choosing a movie with an ensemble cast, cause you have nooooooooooo chance of holding this one down!
Holding what down? I'm not sure you even understand what I said in the first place.
BWAAhahahaha, no chance Guard, none!!!!

Yes, halle should have done something with it. Slowed it down, put some POWER into it, but the dialouge was still incorrect for the "Goddess".
Storm doesnt ask qustions, she commands the forces of nature, for example....
She's not asking a question. She's clearly basically telling him "You ****ed with me, prepare to be friend".

Minor change but HUGE difference!
Not really. One comes across as more sarcastic. Both of them are "questions", though, despite your attempt to make it a command.

See how using what was there, it's more commanding than asking.
She's not really asking anything, though. She's telling him.
And it is more in line with the character. It's then up to Halle to give it the heart of Storm.

Storm would never have said she "feared humans"
Why not? Now, to anyone else, she obviously wouldn't have said that. But in that situation, with the things that were happening between them...she did. She opened up. That's why this scene SHOULD have been more powerful. For a character so sure of herself in other scenes (and you saw some of this in the film, but Halle didn't make it very obvious) to have these hidden doubts...it speaks to audiences, it's something people can identify with. Too bad she half-assed it. And thank goodness Davidson didn't.
she would never have "squeeked" and ran from the room like a timid mouse.
She's running to tell the others that Kelly is dead. No, Storm probably wouldn't have squealed like Halle did, but that's Halle for you. I don't think running to get help after a man you were just holding hands turned into a puddle is timid. Makes sense to me. What's she supposed to do, grab a mop?
And if Halle or Singer (they're both responsible) had cared or wanted to know they could have done something about it.
You keep telling me this, and quite honestly, I don't really care. Should they have done things differently? Almost certainly. But what's done is done. All we can judge is what's there, and since every other actor in the cast didn't need their hand held by Bryan Singer to give a fantastic to great performance, I choose to blame Halle for her performance.
They seemed to hear the critics for X2 and it was a little better. In which case I would accept arguements that Halle failed us more than the writing. But again I can show several examples of it being a combination of Halle's character ignorance and the writer/editor/director's vision.
True, but Halle Berry is clearly a large part of that equation.

I do agree with you on one part Guard. What is the definition of "More to Do"? Halle did everything but fly in X2 (and even then she piloted the blackbird). I'm through with "more to do", unless it is directly tied to more accurate character depiction. Otherwise "more to do" will just be a "Big disappointment".
I just think it's ridiculous that people have this "She had no important scenes" attitude. I don't know if they've figured it out yet, but the X-films don't revolve around one character, yes, even Wolverine. Storm had several very good, very cool scenes that both advanced the plot and should have/could have showed people the Storm they're a little more used to.
I must admit that the whole of Guard's argument is flawed on the basis that he doesn't look at the other side of the story and decide that this other side must have some valid points, and that's where I come in.
The whole of my argument is flawed? I'd be careful with that, because I tend to make good, well-thought-out points. What other side of the story am I not considering? Not AGREEING with the other side doesn't equal not considering. It's not my JOB to bring the other side's views to light, that's THEIR job. This is, in essence, a debate. I'm presenting my side.
Yeah his control issues stemmed his repression, but they would not have had to go into all that.
Just give cyke more than one attribute. His powers/mutation almost forces him into it, and that would have been easy to show. And now that I think about it. One of the biggest parts of Cyke's character that was missing (besides his presence) from the silver screen was the relationship.[/quote]
Why? Because we didn't see them having sex?
We were told, but where was the expression of their love.
Expression of their love as in...physical? There were a number of hugs and "I really love you" kisses in the films, and almost every single scene between Scott and Jean shows just how much they care for and support each other. The emotion shown in several scenes in particular should clue you in to how strong their love is/was.
Why the heck did Jean choose Cyke? "He's the guy you marry"...
Really!??? Did they even share a kiss, hold hands, come outta of the same bedroom? Are we sure these two are together?
Is that what you equate "love" with? Just physical stuff? During the scene in Alkali base, Scott comes up to Jean, hugs her tightly, kisses her, holds her to him and says something to the effect of "I thought I lost you". You can clearly see how much they care about each other in that sequence, and in the stuff in the X-Jet before she sacrifices herself.
Sorry guys, it's evident to everyone without ruby quartz lenses what and who these movies favor.
Where did that come from? I assume it's a "Wolverine thing", but when was that point ever contested?

[Doomed_hero]

Cyclops is the first X-Men and I find it sad the hand he has been dealt in the movies. X3 could have been his movie yet in every interview I have seen, I hear no mention of him getting a extended role and all about Halle(who I find is very overrated and got alot more to do alredy in X2). Also I find it sad that I hear the audience saying that they where really pushing for Jean and Logan to get together in the films. Cyclops and Jeans love story has been a main part of X Lore and they hardly even show it.

Cyclops is the leader of the X-Men and deserves the respect and time to be fleshed out. This could have been the chance, yet I hear no mention of him in any interview. It is sad that in a movie with the Pheonix, there is hardly talk of the man who brought her back with there love.

[The Original Bamfer]

I felt bad for Cyclops in X2 although my friend pointed out that like if he cries would that mean that his tears are lazer.

W...T...F...? :confused:

[JP]

WTF??

[Octoberist]

LOL. Crying out lazers. I love that!

[aaron]

lol, very funny.

[Minisinoo]

Well, there is some speculation that Cyclops can't cry, at least not with his eyes open, or the force blasts (lasers! Sheesh!) would destroy the tears, like they destroy everything in their path. Probable. But that doesn't mean he couldn't cry with his eyes shut, of course. The lids would block the blasts, and the tears (from the tear duct) would still leak out over his skin.

--Minisinoo
(Who has spent way too much time working out the logistics of such things. LOL!)

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[aaron]

lol. if u think too muhc, you end up worse off than when u started.

[paec_djinn]

I keep circling back to that leaked script and official denial of those rumors. The thing that bugs me is that at no point have Rothman, Kinsburg, et al., outright denied any of the rumors individually except, I think, the supposed sex scene. The romance is apparently true, however. What has been said is that the script is old. But I haven't heard the scriptwriter come out and say, "Oh, no, Cyclops isn't dying, don't worry." Hmmm.

Now, speaking as a writer, it's perfectly possible to do HEAVY revision to something and not change the fundamental plot elements. So their reactions to the rumors seems more like verbal sleight of hand than denial. Later, they can't be accused of lying because they haven't. They said the script has been heavily revised. I'm sure it has been. That doesn't mean three mutants (including Cyclops) aren't dying, one isn't being depowered, and Storm w/ Wolverine isn't leading the X-Men. (Whether or not some or all of the murdered mutants will return in the final act ... that script leaked did not HAVE the third act included. So I cling to that as my sole source of possible optimism.)
Omg... you've just scared me again! And the most scary thing is, this actually makes a little sense, although I have hope that this will be wrong. Cyclops has always and will probably always be my favourite X-Men and I really hope he will probably have a much larger role (say, how about lead or co-lead character).

But now that I think of it, if he dies but has a good enough role to play, I'll be content... unless Storm becomes the leader in which I'll really really be pissed. I never really liked Storm and the movies made me hate her even more.

[aaron]

i forgot we know nothing of the 3rd act, which gives me so much hope.

[aaron]

hopefully the war thats been built up in the first 2.

[CoreyIAN]

Hate to say this,but no actor has ever been successful playing two different comic book characters.

Halle berry-catwoman bombs.

So then why did James Marsden even want to take on the role of Richard White knowing that it will somehow interfere with x3 schedules?

Is Richard White going to be a breakthrough role for marsden?

Come next year,and i think all eyes will be instead focusing on Brandon Routh and Kate Bosworth.

Not to mention Marvel and DC are rivals and Fox is "apparently" not happy with marsden's decision to joins Superman Returns.

Why? The bryan singer left x3 to direct superman returns saga.

That's why.

I'm not going to be surprised if marsden's role in x3 is going to be............not very much.

[aaron]

well if you check over to the other thread, mike sampson pretty much confirms cyclops' x3 death

[Electrix]

Cyclops R.I.P

[aaron]

thats really pissed me off

[Maze]

If Cyclops die the way it is rumored ,it will be a mistake.

1st you find a way for him to go out with a bang.
You do something significant for the character , not something which seem just there for shock value .

secondly ,even if i enjoyed some of his scenes ( mostly the cut one) anyways,he has not been develloped enough for the audience to care about his death.

if the rumors are true ,I really hope that the people in charge will realize their mistake.

[paec_djinn]

well if you check over to the other thread, mike sampson pretty much confirms cyclops' x3 death
Which other thread? Who's Mike Sampson?

[X-Maniac]

Marsden is committed to the Superman franchise.

Cyclops WILL almost certainly die. The vaporisation scene posted in that alleged script review was a shocker, especially when presented like it was, out of context of the main movie. But it could work if handled well. I'd rather disintegration as his final fate than seeing him slammed into a tree as in the bogus (fan) script at IMDB.

[Ions]

Marsden is committed to the Superman franchise.Commited how? His character isn't big or important to the films. He's pretty much Superman's foil, an obstacle between Lois and Superman. There's no 'committed'. If he even appears in a future sequel for Superman, it will be because Bryan Singer is directing it and wants James in his movie. James has already stated hes committed to the X-men movies, and would 'do them for free'. Way more commitment than the rest of the cast can muster. You've got alot of nerve to attack him in his own thread. [Ions is sort of impressed] :up: :cyclops:
Plus the script you're going on is the one dating back to before Bryan rearranged James' shooting schedule so he would be available to do a full movie. And the IMDB script is clearly made up by someone with too much time on their hands.
So there's no reason to expect them to kill him off so abruptly now they have him for much more shooting time. Alot of the mass audience don't even know Cyclops enough to care if he dies. However they would get more reaction from killing Pyro, which would be more likely. [Ions hopes so]

[The Batman]

Hmmm...so, its confirmed huh?

Looks like i'm saving my money for another view of Superman Returns, where hopefully, marsden will be treated with the respect he deserves

[The Batman]

IMO, X-Maniac dosent care about Cyclops. I dont even see why hes posting in this thread if he thinks killing cyke is a good idea(It's not)

[Ions]

Hmmm...so, its confirmed huh?

Looks like i'm saving my money for another view of Superman Returns, where hopefully, marsden will be treated with the respect he deservesConfirmed by someone posting in a thread. Really that's no assurance. Anyone can say they've seen it. And we've seen others pretend to have info and post it just to wind up the fanbase.
I agree with you, Marsden deserves better. If he has a good role in Superman Returns, i'll be glad. :up:
I guess there's little chance Singer will return for another X-men movie in the future.

[aaron]

apparantly his superman returns role is biggish

[Ions]

apparantly his superman returns role is biggishYou mean larger than Cyclops in both films? :p
Fact, his character is with Lois. That alone means he's doomed to disappear. Can't think of too many straight action hero movies where the guy doesn't get the girl in the end. Then again I don't know anything about Superman, or what Richard White character is in the comics.[Ions wonders] :supes:

[The Batman]

Confirmed by someone posting in a thread. Really that's no assurance. Anyone can say they've seen it. And we've seen others pretend to have info and post it just to wind up the fanbase.
I agree with you, Marsden deserves better. If he has a good role in Superman Returns, i'll be glad. :up:
I guess there's little chance Singer will return for another X-men movie in the future.

It seems to me like one of the only sure facts is that cyclops will die.

[CoreyIAN]

i have never heard of richard white.Don't know if it's make up for the movie or not.

Maybe the character richard white bites the dust so that superman and lois ends up together.

[gap5ewl]

cyclops must survive in x3!! where's those damn petitions!?!?!?

[aaron]

peititons wont and wouldnt change a damn thing

[TNC9852002]

I've never seen one successful online petition, especially dealing with movies like these...

-TNC

[aaron]

didnt maze have a petition going to get rid of ratner and delay the release to like 2007?

[Maze]

didnt maze have a petition going to get rid of ratner and delay the release to like 2007?

yes, indeed.

[TNC9852002]

OMG...You wouldn't believe how many anti-Halle/Storm online petitions they've made over the years... :p

-TNC

[Maze]

OMG...You wouldn't believe how many anti-Halle/Storm online petitions they've made over the years... :p

-TNC

I know their existence tnc.

The point is to express its point of view anyway..
personnally, that way if the worst happen , i will not feel guilty ..
i will have done everything i can.

[aaron]

how many signed your petition maze?

[Maze]

how many signed your petition maze?

300 hundreth in two month.

That's not that great , but people often complain more than they act..
When you see the backlash both on the net and on the outside..

at all events, i hope that Ratner (who is not helped by this shedule..but on the other hand has a great technical team and a great cast )will surprise us all , but really i think it's better to not have great expectation for this movie..

that way , maybe personnally i will be pleasantly surprised..

[X-Maniac]

IMO, X-Maniac dosent care about Cyclops. I dont even see why hes posting in this thread if he thinks killing cyke is a good idea(It's not)

I will post in this thread if i feel like it. This is not the "I have my tongue stuck up Cyclops' rectum" thread. This is a thread in which matter Cyclopean are discussed. :thing:

Just as the Halle thread includes more than its fair share of negativity, then this thread may also attract negativity too.

I am a fan of Cyclops, for your information. So don't waltz into here from some other non-X-Men thread and try to tell me, who has been reading X-Men for 30 years, what I am and am not a fan of, thanks.

In the comics, Jean appears to die and immediately returns as Phoenix, being temporarily defeated by Xavier in a psi-battle, and later killing herself in a self-sacrifice when she realised her power and its dark side could not be contained. This was followed by a special issue in which a memorial service was held with Cyclops reflecting back on the X-Men's long history (a great way to catch up with the story of the X-Men) and leaving the team.

As a fan of X-Men, I know this. Do you? Well, the point is that the movies are loosely following the comicbook storyline. Cyclops leaves, Storm takes over the team. The difference in the movies is that Jean's return as Phoenix is not immediate, so the memorial service appears to be being held after her first death, not the self-sacrifice.

In the comics, Phoenix was tipped over the edge into Dark Phoenix by mind tampering caused by Emma Frost and the illusionist Mastermind (who became Mutant 143 in X2, and was killed). She briefly gained her sanity when Cyclops was attacked.

The Phoenix Saga is so-called for a good reason - it is lengthy, involved and fantastical, covering many many issues and huge, surreal twists and turns. A 2hr movies does not have the same luxury of time.

Thus in the movies, we aren't getting the convoluted series of events that led to Dark Phoenix.

I very much doubt you will see any of the main X3 characters in a future X-movie. That would be years away and actors age, retire, commit to other projects, die, etc. That is part of the reasoning for the deaths.

A second part is Marsden's decision to star in a rival franchise, which seems to have pissed off Fox, although we have no direct substantiation of this. It now seems his filming schedule won't clash, but we have no direct confirmation of that either.

The third part is that the movie version of events requires more resolution, for events to be less convoluted, to be more definite. Once you have a woman return from death as a superpowered cosmic 'goddess' in a reality-grounded sci-fi movie, there is one obvious route - her self-sacrifice. There is nowhere else to take the character.

This in turn throws questions over Cyclops. After she is gone, what happens to him? Does he walk off, as in the comics (which sparked a whole new series of bizarre twists involving cloning)? That probably seems a bit lame and not very definite for the final part of the trilogy.

We also need a reason for Jean to have become the equivalent of 'Dark Phoenix'. The Mastermind character died in X2 so mentally projected illusions to drive her insane are out of the question. We also need a reason for Jean to tackle Xavier in an insane rage. What better way than for her to accidentally destroy her lover (while trying to hold back his optic blasts and see his face) and find out that her lack of control over her abilities is all down to Charles Xavier.

I know it's all controversial, and it's not exactly like the comicbook, but that doesn't make it wrong. And i can see why the arguments point towards Cyclops' death happening. They may change their mind, it may not happen, and I am not hysterical about it either way, but i am merely saying that i can see the logic, however perverse it may seem to fans of the character or for those who cannot diffferentiate between finite movies and infinite comics.

[The Indigo Fire]

Oh my stars and garters, I so hope they don't try to include the Goblyn Queen into the movie.

[X-Maniac]

I doubt we'll have all that stuff!

[The Hellrider]

I will post in this thread if i feel like it. This is not the "I have my tongue stuck up Cyclops' rectum" thread.

Id'z nawd?

*pulls tongue out of Cykes' rectum*

It's not?

[Torchd]

I sure hope that they don't kill him that would be horrible. Do we have any conformation on what they're doing or is it still speculation?

[Electrix]

OMG...You wouldn't believe how many anti-Halle/Storm online petitions they've made over the years... :p

-TNC

That havent done a damn thing.

[The Batman]

I will post in this thread if i feel like it. This is not the "I have my tongue stuck up Cyclops' rectum" thread. This is a thread in which matter Cyclopean are discussed. :thing:

Just as the Halle thread includes more than its fair share of negativity, then this thread may also attract negativity too.

I am a fan of Cyclops, for your information. So don't waltz into here from some other non-X-Men thread and try to tell me, who has been reading X-Men for 30 years, what I am and am not a fan of, thanks.

In the comics, Jean appears to die and immediately returns as Phoenix, being temporarily defeated by Xavier in a psi-battle, and later killing herself in a self-sacrifice when she realised her power and its dark side could not be contained. This was followed by a special issue in which a memorial service was held with Cyclops reflecting back on the X-Men's long history (a great way to catch up with the story of the X-Men) and leaving the team.

As a fan of X-Men, I know this. Do you? Well, the point is that the movies are loosely following the comicbook storyline. Cyclops leaves, Storm takes over the team. The difference in the movies is that Jean's return as Phoenix is not immediate, so the memorial service appears to be being held after her first death, not the self-sacrifice.

In the comics, Phoenix was tipped over the edge into Dark Phoenix by mind tampering caused by Emma Frost and the illusionist Mastermind (who became Mutant 143 in X2, and was killed). She briefly gained her sanity when Cyclops was attacked.

The Phoenix Saga is so-called for a good reason - it is lengthy, involved and fantastical, covering many many issues and huge, surreal twists and turns. A 2hr movies does not have the same luxury of time.

Thus in the movies, we aren't getting the convoluted series of events that led to Dark Phoenix.

I very much doubt you will see any of the main X3 characters in a future X-movie. That would be years away and actors age, retire, commit to other projects, die, etc. That is part of the reasoning for the deaths.

A second part is Marsden's decision to star in a rival franchise, which seems to have pissed off Fox, although we have no direct substantiation of this. It now seems his filming schedule won't clash, but we have no direct confirmation of that either.

The third part is that the movie version of events requires more resolution, for events to be less convoluted, to be more definite. Once you have a woman return from death as a superpowered cosmic 'goddess' in a reality-grounded sci-fi movie, there is one obvious route - her self-sacrifice. There is nowhere else to take the character.

This in turn throws questions over Cyclops. After she is gone, what happens to him? Does he walk off, as in the comics (which sparked a whole new series of bizarre twists involving cloning)? That probably seems a bit lame and not very definite for the final part of the trilogy.

We also need a reason for Jean to have become the equivalent of 'Dark Phoenix'. The Mastermind character died in X2 so mentally projected illusions to drive her insane are out of the question. We also need a reason for Jean to tackle Xavier in an insane rage. What better way than for her to accidentally destroy her lover (while trying to hold back his optic blasts and see his face) and find out that her lack of control over her abilities is all down to Charles Xavier.

I know it's all controversial, and it's not exactly like the comicbook, but that doesn't make it wrong. And i can see why the arguments point towards Cyclops' death happening. They may change their mind, it may not happen, and I am not hysterical about it either way, but i am merely saying that i can see the logic, however perverse it may seem to fans of the character or for those who cannot diffferentiate between finite movies and infinite comics.

Honestly, i could care less about what happens to Jean in X3. I know she died in the comics. But we're not talking about Jean, we're talking about Cyclops

The fact is, Cyclops is dying because of two reasons: Marsden jumping to Superman Returns and the need to throw in shock deaths. I'd be less pissed about Cyke dying if he actually got some focus in the damn movies. If they actually showed this guy is the badass leader of the X-men. If they actually showed that Scott deserves Jean more than Logan.

And you act like Cyclops cant go on without Jean. I say after Jean makes her sacrifice, he come to grips with the fact that she's gone. Hell, why should i bother, they havent convinced me that Scott and Jean deeply love each other.

The Death is a bad idea, plain and simple, because Cyclops hasnt been developed enough to have people give a damn. And this is all because Fox are a bunch of bastards. They screwed up Fantastic Four, and now they're gonna screw up X-Men

[gap5ewl]

i hope cyclops is alive in x3.

[Electrix]

i hope cyclops is alive in x3.

He might be for some of it...like 5 minutes?

[X-Maniac]

Honestly, i could care less about what happens to Jean in X3. I know she died in the comics. But we're not talking about Jean, we're talking about Cyclops

The fact is, Cyclops is dying because of two reasons: Marsden jumping to Superman Returns and the need to throw in shock deaths. I'd be less pissed about Cyke dying if he actually got some focus in the damn movies. If they actually showed this guy is the badass leader of the X-men. If they actually showed that Scott deserves Jean more than Logan.

And you act like Cyclops cant go on without Jean. I say after Jean makes her sacrifice, he come to grips with the fact that she's gone. Hell, why should i bother, they havent convinced me that Scott and Jean deeply love each other.

The Death is a bad idea, plain and simple, because Cyclops hasnt been developed enough to have people give a damn. And this is all because Fox are a bunch of bastards. They screwed up Fantastic Four, and now they're gonna screw up X-Men

The death is a bad idea - in your opinion. Don't spew out your own tainted view as though it is fact.

Yes, Marsden did jump to Superman, where he will play a substantial part of the movie in a love triangle. His choice. And Fox's choice not to want him to play a substantial part in what is seen as a rival movie (made by business competitors, though i don't regard them as competing) coming out at the same time. Of course Marsden is keen to be part of X3, allegedly. Like any actor he wants to be part of a something successful and lucrative.
He opted for Superman at a time when X3 was shrouded in uncertainty - good move at the time for him, crap move as far as the Cyclops character goes. But there are other factors involved. It's not just Fox being petty.

He's had his moments in X1 and X2, but Wolverine has shone brighter through the way the movies have been made.

None of us would mind if they somehow found a way for him to be a badass leader, but through Marsden's decisions, Fox's reactions and the naturally evolving slant of the storyline, it SEEMS that it will not happen.

[Ratcrawler]

I'm hesitant to point this out but I think there's a race angle involved with the death of Cyclops and likely promotion of Storm. First lemme say I hope I'm wrong about this. But think about it. The X-Men are the ultimate persecuted minority. As such, the films have an appeal to Jews, Blacks and Gays as Ian McKellen has often mentioned. Yet, really, most of them are white.

Wolverine
Cyclops
Jean
Rogue
Iceman
Xavier
Colossus
Leech
Pyro
Juggernaut
Beast
Angel
Gambit
Cannonball
Avalanche
Magneto
Shadowcat

Ok, the last two are Jewish but you see my point? Storm is really the only mutant of color in this film. As such, how is she supposed to stand out in such a huge cast? EsPecially in a series that keeps getting a bigger one in each film? Simplest answer would be to commit this comic book heresy and kill off Cyclops, replacing this straight laced white male whom audiences never really got to know as a leader as much as a rival for Mr. sPotlight. (I'm looking at YOU, Wolverine.) Halle's a bigger name draw anyway and if FOX ever wants her to consider returning for future sequels they'll place her right up there, front and center with Wolverine.

[Ions]

The death is a bad idea - in your opinion. Don't spew out your own tainted view as though it is fact.But it's ok when you do it? Aye? :rolleyes: Because that's all you're peddling, your own 'tainted' view. If what Batman has said can be viewed as tainted by you, then your own posts can be too.

Yes, Marsden did jump to Superman, where he will play a substantial part of the movie in a love triangle. His choice. And Fox's choice not to want him to play a substantial part in what is seen as a rival movie (made by business competitors, though i don't regard them as competing) coming out at the same time. Of course Marsden is keen to be part of X3, allegedly. Like any actor he wants to be part of a something successful and lucrative.
He opted for Superman at a time when X3 was shrouded in uncertainty - good move at the time for him, crap move as far as the Cyclops character goes. But there are other factors involved. It's not just Fox being petty. He didn't jump to anything from anything. X-men 3 was left in limbo for years before Fox got around to making the project and making sure they released X-3 before Superman Returns. While Sony was busy keeping production of one Spider-man movie to the next going and signing things long before filming comes along. Fox sits around umming and arring unwilling to sign people to the project before, with nearly a year to go they decide at the last minute to get things going. Sony deserves all the success and profit Spider-man gives them. They earn it.
That's why Singer left, Fox didn't wanna sign contracts, or anything. A big insult really, 2 successful movies and they won't even sign him on the project and let him start pre-production.
Marsden's choice... to work rather than hang around doing nothing waiting for Fox to suddenly decide to get the 3rd X-men movie in production. Unlike SR, X-men 3 hasn't had long pre-production(pre-production isn't happening without a director!). And it's also pretty clear he's working on SR to work with a friend that is Bryan Singer. Much like other actors in the past have stuck to one director when both the director and actor like to work with each other.
You act like there was some attempt by Marsden to snub X-men. And the only reason there is any rivalry is from Fox, seriously. Getting a movie together and in theatres within 1 year isn't a 'good' movie making decision. SR has been in pre-production for months before they started filming months back. Fox is rushing to beat it to the theatres(look how late they signed a director). If anyones challenging anyone its Fox. SR isn't rushing to meet its release date. SR's release date is after what could of been an easy date to release to by X-3. But Fox again dragged their ass and let the time roll on. If Superman Returns kicks X-3's ass, Fox deserves it.

He's had his moments in X1 and X2, but Wolverine has shone brighter through the way the movies have been made. He had moments? Which were these? The mourning of Jean at the end of X-2? Yeah a tad late to develop a character at that point, especially since he was absent for most of the movie. Pyro had as much attention. The scripts of both movies had more stuff for Cyclops to do, Fox(and producers) in their infernal wisdom decided to cut that stuff. So it's not like the director and his production staff were opposed to Cyclops. Fact is in fantasy that movies and books and all the mediums represent, any character can be made interesting. The idea that somehow Cyclops is a blackhole from which no good character development may come is ludicrous.
None of us would mind if they somehow found a way for him to be a badass leader, but through Marsden's decisions, Fox's reactions and the naturally evolving slant of the storyline, it SEEMS that it will not happen.We don't know anything, except one draft of the film from a few months back that may have been the one Vaughn helped write. We can safely assume the basic action of the early script review is gone(Angel's father was a main villain, hes clearly not one now). They'd be stupid to continue on with the same dramatic elements now people already know. If any deaths remain its to clear some of the non-returning cast out in dramatic fashion.
And as already stated, that script was written when it was in doubt whether Marsden would be able to even get out of SR production to be there for X-3's since they had started production on X-3 so last minute. Singer didn't want Marsden to suffer so he reordered filming so Marsden would be able to be there for most of the X-3 shoot. You seem to be oblivious to just how late in the game Fox decided this film was gonna get made. 1 year away from release and they hadn't even signed on a director. The most important person for a film. Singer left when they wouldn't sign him, Marsden signed on to Singer's film since X-men 3 hadn't even started production at that point.
And seeing how much Singer likes Marsden(going out of his way to give him a good role in SR), you ascertain just how much Fox had to do with how Cyclops has being treated thus far in X-men. It might be as Ratcrawler is saying in the post above mine. He's too 'white' to be given focus. :rolleyes:

If Cyclops is killed off it's to punish him for working with Singer again on a different superhero movie. Which would only prove the opinions of many who think Fox and Tom Rothman are petty and belligerent. [Ions isn't amused after writing such a long post]
Come on Lucy, make a funny so I can get amused again! :eek: :up:

[-Æ-]

Anarchy

Destruction

Chaos

All signs that Apocolypse will return!!!!

[Minisinoo]

We don't know anything, except one draft of the film from a few months back that may have been the one Vaughn helped write. We can safely assume the basic action of the early script review is gone(Angel's father was a main villain, hes clearly not one now). They'd be stupid to continue on with the same dramatic elements now people already know. If any deaths remain its to clear some of the non-returning cast out in dramatic fashion.

Ion, while I agree with a lot of what you said, the above isn't necessarily true. As I've noted before, it's entirely possibly to heavily revise something, change some points ... yet not change others. I've done it plenty of times myself.

As much as I HOPE and pray that Cyke does have a role in X3, and a decent one, his death -- far from being denied -- seems to be continually confirmed by new rumors. I don't like that -- trust me. I PISSES ME OFF. But until someone say, "Ooops, no, that rumor is wrong, he's not dying," the mere fact that the script has been significantly revised doesn't convince me the plot points have changed, or not all of them.

Again, I agree with much of what you've said, but I've not yet read anything that makes me hopeful about Cyke's role in X3. If someone HAS some good news, believe me, I'll be DELIGHTED. Really. I desperately want some good news for my boy on this script. But so far, I haven't really seen anything that's made me hope. And he's been treated badly enough in the previous two that I'm not optimistic for optimism alone.

(And folks REMEMBER ... actors make film choices for their CAREERS -- not for the sake of fictional characters. We are the fans. But they actually have to make a living. Quit, dammit, blaming the poor actors for going where there's a JOB. That includes both Halle Berry and James Marsden. Jesus. Marsden at least as a wife, a kid, and another on the way. Give the poor guy a break for heaven's sake. He's a good actor. He's fought for Cyke in the past, he's given his all to the films. Blame ROTHMAN, not Marsden.)

--Minisinoo
The Medicine Wheel: X-Men Fanfiction (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/)

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[Timstuff]

I too worry immensly for our boy Cyke. No-one from the production has come out and say "No, Cyclops does not die in the movie", so it's still entirely possible that he's going to bite it. However it's also possible that they aren't adressing it because they don't want the story to be public domain. If people don't know wether or not Cyke will live through X3, it would make it that much more satasfying if he survives.

But if they DO kill of Cyke, I'm gonna set fire to Rothman's house. Seriousely.

[-Æ-]

But if they DO kill of Cyke, I'm gonna set fire to Rothman's house. Seriousely.


Ill be watching the news for that one!

[aaron]

yeh me too.

the headline 'psychotic fan kills big boss at fox'

[Octoberist]

I don't think that a fire could kill a "Rothman".

[aaron]

a beheading?

[Octoberist]

The evil of a "Rothman" is so great that our feeble little minds cannot comprehend it's evilness.

[aaron]

perhaps, perhaps

[Octoberist]

Kol, seriously, Rothman is the downfall of Fox. NOt to say that he is not sucessful, but he is the weakest link within that studio. Pull a Warner Bros. and get a new chairman. Because of the new Warner CEO, Batman Begins and Superman Return got the green light.

[aaron]

yeah, i know who he is.

i remember alex proyas saying he wouldnt do another movie for fox until rothman was no longer in control.

thats why he wouldnt do x3.

[aaron]

i know he is*

[Octoberist]

Proyas would of done a great job if he directed X3 (not to say that i'm complaining about Ratner) with utter total freedom. But no..stupid rothman

[aaron]

proyas' work is so good. irobot was great.

...but dark city....that inspired the matrix in my opinion.

[Octoberist]

The Crow and Dark City are awesome.

I think with Dark City and The Matrix, with story ideas, it was a coinsedence. Like with Garden State and Elizabethtown; they both have simliar plots (from what I know thus far) but they were made ABOUT the sametime, but just different release dates.

BTW, it's not like the Matrix was THAT creative. I came up with an idea like that when I was in the seventh grade. I'm willing to bet you that there were sci-fi books that had simliar plots that were precursors to the Matrix.

[aaron]

yeah, im sure there is.

just like m night shamalyan's idea for the village, being basically the same as a book. which he got sued for.

[Ions]

<snipped for space>Blame ROTHMAN, not Marsden.)

--Minisinoo
The Medicine Wheel: X-Men Fanfiction (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/)

http://www.themedicinewheel.net/novels_files/grailmini_jpg.jpg (http://www.themedicinewheel.net/grail/grail.html)Yeah I agree(regarding your entire post), if I think about it cynically(which is how I normally see things). I like Cyke, I like James(one of my fav castings in the X-men films thus far) I wanted both to succeed, so i'll stay positive(ignoring my more cynical inclinations) about it till its confirmed.
I still hope they've changed Cykes death based off the reaction to it. As I just said in the Gambit forum, i'd be ok with him dying some grand death if he'd of been given a chance to shine upto now. He hasn't. If and when the death is assured, i'll then become a cynical little so and so... :(

It's pretty clear now that Singer and his team wasn't the cause for how poorly Cyke was handled thus far(which in turn makes me like Singer more, since I did resent him for how Cyke was handled, now I know better). The fact Singer was annoyed by it enough to give James a good role in SR further proves the playing down of Cyke didn't come from him. He thinks James is a good actor. So yeah, blame Rothman. :mad: [Ions annoyance at the situation grows]:hulk:

If what Ratcrawler said about racial things is true, it'll be trully ironic considering what the X-men is about. "Sorry son, you just aren't minority enough. *trade words* Oh yes I know you're supposed to be a mutant - the ultimate minority, but still...you're too white." [Ions is amused again]:up:

[X-Maniac]

But it's ok when you do it? Aye? :rolleyes: Because that's all you're peddling, your own 'tainted' view. If what Batman has said can be viewed as tainted by you, then your own posts can be too.
He didn't jump to anything from anything. X-men 3 was left in limbo for years before Fox got around to making the project and making sure they released X-3 before Superman Returns. While Sony was busy keeping production of one Spider-man movie to the next going and signing things long before filming comes along. Fox sits around umming and arring unwilling to sign people to the project before, with nearly a year to go they decide at the last minute to get things going. Sony deserves all the success and profit Spider-man gives them. They earn it.
That's why Singer left, Fox didn't wanna sign contracts, or anything. A big insult really, 2 successful movies and they won't even sign him on the project and let him start pre-production.
Marsden's choice... to work rather than hang around doing nothing waiting for Fox to suddenly decide to get the 3rd X-men movie in production. Unlike SR, X-men 3 hasn't had long pre-production(pre-production isn't happening without a director!). And it's also pretty clear he's working on SR to work with a friend that is Bryan Singer. Much like other actors in the past have stuck to one director when both the director and actor like to work with each other.
You act like there was some attempt by Marsden to snub X-men. And the only reason there is any rivalry is from Fox, seriously. Getting a movie together and in theatres within 1 year isn't a 'good' movie making decision. SR has been in pre-production for months before they started filming months back. Fox is rushing to beat it to the theatres(look how late they signed a director). If anyones challenging anyone its Fox. SR isn't rushing to meet its release date. SR's release date is after what could of been an easy date to release to by X-3. But Fox again dragged their ass and let the time roll on. If Superman Returns kicks X-3's ass, Fox deserves it.
He had moments? Which were these? The mourning of Jean at the end of X-2? Yeah a tad late to develop a character at that point, especially since he was absent for most of the movie. Pyro had as much attention. The scripts of both movies had more stuff for Cyclops to do, Fox(and producers) in their infernal wisdom decided to cut that stuff. So it's not like the director and his production staff were opposed to Cyclops. Fact is in fantasy that movies and books and all the mediums represent, any character can be made interesting. The idea that somehow Cyclops is a blackhole from which no good character development may come is ludicrous.
We don't know anything, except one draft of the film from a few months back that may have been the one Vaughn helped write. We can safely assume the basic action of the early script review is gone(Angel's father was a main villain, hes clearly not one now). They'd be stupid to continue on with the same dramatic elements now people already know. If any deaths remain its to clear some of the non-returning cast out in dramatic fashion.
And as already stated, that script was written when it was in doubt whether Marsden would be able to even get out of SR production to be there for X-3's since they had started production on X-3 so last minute. Singer didn't want Marsden to suffer so he reordered filming so Marsden would be able to be there for most of the X-3 shoot. You seem to be oblivious to just how late in the game Fox decided this film was gonna get made. 1 year away from release and they hadn't even signed on a director. The most important person for a film. Singer left when they wouldn't sign him, Marsden signed on to Singer's film since X-men 3 hadn't even started production at that point.
And seeing how much Singer likes Marsden(going out of his way to give him a good role in SR), you ascertain just how much Fox had to do with how Cyclops has being treated thus far in X-men. It might be as Ratcrawler is saying in the post above mine. He's too 'white' to be given focus. :rolleyes:

If Cyclops is killed off it's to punish him for working with Singer again on a different superhero movie. Which would only prove the opinions of many who think Fox and Tom Rothman are petty and belligerent. [Ions isn't amused after writing such a long post]
Come on Lucy, make a funny so I can get amused again! :eek: :up:


Hmmmm...well, you are off beam here. I don't regard my views on this as tainted - I neither intensely love nor intensely hate the character, I have no axe to grind, I was trying to analyse what they might be doing so that people might see beyond their own obsessions and come to a greater understanding.

You misinterpret me - over and over. When I said Marsden jumped to Superman, I didn't say he jumped FROM anything. I meant that he jumped at the chance to do something concrete when nothing about X3 was concrete at that time. But I guess he did jump FROM the uncertainty that meant he was unsure what was going on with X3, and he made a business decision to accept the Superman offer. No one is any doubt that Fox has not organised this very well. We cannot change that. No one can blame Marsden for getting on board the Superman project, although at the time this happened we did know that at some point there would be an X3 that was very likely to feature the Phoenix saga that was foreshadowed in X2 and, thus, also likely to give Cyclops some key scenes. Didn't Singer also meet Famke and Shawn Ashmore at around the same time? That must have been with a view to offering roles in Superman. They chose to stay with the (then) uncertain, but very possible, X3.

Furthermore, you now exonerate Singer from any of the failings of the Cyclops character in X1 and X2, but he must shoulder some blame. As director he has more than a little say in what happens. Singer was the one who focussed on Wolverine, which has had a direct impact on the Cyclops role. I think Singer realised - and Marsden realised - that Superman would give Marsden a greater chance to shine than in an ensemble X-Men movie.

If Marsden is being penalised for a part in Superman, what can be done about it? Nothing. The die has been cast. It would seem bizarre - but not out of the question - to see Marsden in two large supporting roles in superhero movies that are being portrayed as rivals for next summer's top slot.

I don't think the racial issue is valid. Although Hollywood is always keen on good ethnic representation in movies and the X-men can't all be portrayed as Causasian hunks/supermodels, I don't think this is the factor here. It's not a 'Halle or James'/'black woman or white man' situation. Storm's portrayal has raised a huge number of complaints and Singer was neither keen on the character nor sure how to handle Halle (he has said so), so this is something they are addressing. There has not been the same clamour over Cyclops. His alleged death has sparked a lot of criticism, but other than that there has not been a huge outcry over the portrayal of the character at all. Any outcry should have happened long before Marsden decided to take a part in Superman and long before they decided - possibly - to kill the Cyclops character. It's a bit late in the day to scream and stamp feet now.

[Timstuff]

It probably is too late to change anything at this point, which is why I hope the change was already made. Avi Arad and his cronies clearly saw that their was a backlash about Cyclops' death, so either they changed it or their going to be mooning us after they've tricked us out of our $10. Marvel knows how ugly things will get if they kill off Cyclops in X3, so they've had plenty of warning and no-excuses if the fans scream bloody murder at them for not listening to valid complaints.

They'd better not kill Cyclops, or else Rothman can join the unhappy ranks of the houseless. I've got plenty of gas and matches, all I need is the camoflauge clothes and a ticket to California...

[X-Maniac]

It probably is too late to change anything at this point, which is why I hope the change was already made. Avi Arad and his cronies clearly saw that their was a backlash about Cyclops' death, so either they changed it or their going to be mooning us after they've tricked us out of our $10. Marvel knows how ugly things will get if they kill off Cyclops in X3, so they've had plenty of warning and no-excuses if the fans scream bloody murder at them for not listening to valid complaints.

They'd better not kill Cyclops, or else Rothman can join the unhappy ranks of the houseless. I've got plenty of gas and matches, all I need is the camoflauge clothes and a ticket to California...

Your behaviour is disturbing to say the least. However evil Rothman may or may not be, he is not directly to blame for this. James Marsden made up his own mind to star in Superman Returns (while Famke and Shawn Ashmore, who were also offered parts in Superman, made up their mind to wait for X3 instead). Bryan Singer did not give Cyclops the appropriate weight in X1 and X2.

I would be very wary about psychotically singling out one individual and blaming them for this. Regrettably, that can be a very typical (and often typically American) attitude in finding a black-and-white answer and one individual as the cause of all evil. I would also be very wary about making serious public threats.

You very much need to question how seriously you are taking this. None of the actors in X3 is likely to appear in an X-movie again, so you won't be missing anything. Cyclops is just bowing out in a more final way, although X3 will no doubt be final for most of the characters as any future movie is likely to have an all-new cast, because the teenage actors will no longer be teenagers and other stars will have aged, retired, may even have died. Don't get so hung up on this. It's childish and disturbing.

[Octoberist]

X Maniac does have a point...kinda. Marsden DID make that decision to be in Singer's Superman (in whom I felt that Richard White could of been played by anyone). And also, if Cykes dies, it's because of the scheduling conflict too, not just b/c of Rothman.

But I do feel like Rothman did play a role here. He's very controlling and has a bad reputation, from what I know.

[aaron]

yeah, alex proyas said he wouldnt do x-men 3 because rothman was there

he said he wouldnt do another movie for fox until rothman was no longer in control

[Octoberist]

I've heard that other directors had the same hatred for Rothman, as much as Proyas did.

Stephen Norrington, who directed Blade, quit Hollywood b/c of Rothman during the League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen. If Rothman didn't interfer (with him wanting Tom Sawyer in the movie..thought the movie was 'too' European), the League could of been a good movie. The comics were friggin' great, it didn't deserve this.

[aaron]

hes a f***ing s**t

[InsaneMembrane]

X Maniac does have a point...kinda. Marsden DID make that decision to be in Singer's Superman (in whom I felt that Richard White could of been played by anyone). And also, if Cykes dies, it's because of the scheduling conflict too, not just b/c of Rothman.

But I do feel like Rothman did play a role here. He's very controlling and has a bad reputation, from what I know.

Oh please lots of people have more than one movie coming out at the same time the guy who plays Alfred was in BB and bewitched which opened on the same weekend..guess he should just pick one. The scheduling conflict I heard was resolved ..Fox just doesnt know the meaning of professionalism.

[aaron]

michael caine

[aaron]

how does someone not know who michael caine is?

[newwaveboy87]

good question...how indeed.

[InsaneMembrane]

how does someone not know who michael caine is?

His name slipped my mind for a second :rolleyes:

[aaron]

lol ok

[americanguy96]

You never know, if Cyclops ends up having a small role in this film and even dieing, it might be HIS death where he makes impact on the series. Very sad, I know, but quite possible.

[Xfanfan]

You are absolutely right about that, not only that, but his death could be the key to Jean's transformation into Dark Phoenix.

Xfanfan

[Timstuff]

But if Cyke dies then what turns Jean back from being evil?

[Electrix]

Jean herself?

[Xfanfan]

You are right, well maybe they will instead of killing him have her put him in a coma or something so he will not be dead but pretty much out at picture and at the hospital getting better. Then when she finds out she did not kill him then she could get better.

Xfanfan

[newwaveboy87]

i'd rather they put Cyclops in a coma or something, instead of killing him. killing him is just such a bad idea.

[Electrix]

...and a coma is....?

[Octoberist]

I still like the idea of him leaving the X-Men and then come back near the end to help them out.

[heathm]

if it were up to me i wouldn't kill off any characters, but if they absolutily feel the need to the should do the whole mental battle between phoenix and prof. x and she magneto outcasting mystique for loosing her powers and then at some point she gets them back and assasinates him. the end the film with the two teams even stronger with their new leaders. have cyclops get some good screen time as the leader of the x-men. then it would make for a good ending to the series showing all of the x-men are ok and stronger, but it will also leave a few door open in the possibility of a fourth film

[Octoberist]

theory: Let's say that Cyclops does get killed off early in the movie. And it would take a day to shoot.

I think that Phoenix during the 'final battle' will mentally picture Cyclops (Obi Star Wars style) talking to her, telling her to stop it. And then she would realize was she was doing and THAT she killed her loved one. That can work, and it gives Cyclops at LEAST two scenes in the movie (beginning and end). Pluse it'll give Cyclops an important role within the plot. Though he's not there physically, he's there in her mind.

[X-Maniac]

If Cyclops will die, it will have to happen in a 'natural' way, not a sudden scene just to get rid of him. I agree a dramatic sacrifice would be better...but they would also want to avoid having too many funeral services in the movie, so maybe after Jean's memorial service, they don't want another...therefore perhaps that is pointing them towards the vaporisation idea.

I'm wondering what happens to Jean at the end of the movie.

For her to die again would be too much; for her to disappear in a blinding flash of light might be too much like Cyclops' fate, except if she says she is off to join him in the afterlife or on some other plane of existence.

[Timstuff]

Killing off characters for shock value is a lame way to make up for a lack of ability to write good drama. "D'oh, we can't figure out how they made the old stories so good, so we have to spice it up by killing off some characters!" Kevin J. Anderson thought that he could make up for his lack of talent by killing off popular Star Wars characters in his books, and now the entire SW fanbase wants him crucified. Point is, "Shock value deaths" do not accomplish anything for a story, and like fossil fuels there is a finite supply that can't be refilled, since obviousely if you had the means to create interesting stuff, you wouldn't have to destroy something to keep things interesting.

[TheVileOne]

theory: Let's say that Cyclops does get killed off early in the movie. And it would take a day to shoot.

I think that Phoenix during the 'final battle' will mentally picture Cyclops (Obi Star Wars style) talking to her, telling her to stop it. And then she would realize was she was doing and THAT she killed her loved one. That can work, and it gives Cyclops at LEAST two scenes in the movie (beginning and end). Pluse it'll give Cyclops an important role within the plot. Though he's not there physically, he's there in her mind.
Ummm...no :mad: .