"Guardian Archangel:" The Official Character Discussion Thread

[*xmenfan*]

The scene with young Angel was very powerful imo and set up the emotional aspect of this movie nicely.
yeah it was. Did you like the film? i didn't :(

[Storm22]

I did xmenfan. I want to see it again though and I think you should maybe give it a second chance too.

[*xmenfan*]

I did xmenfan. I want to see it again though and I think you should maybe give it a second chance too.
yeah I think i should! but with X2 and X1 I loved it straight away I was on the edge of the seat and saying WOW! but with this i didn't have this feeling. I might go and see it again

[Storm22]

yeah I think i should! but with X2 and X1 I loved it straight away I was on the edge of the seat and saying WOW! but with this i didn't have this feeling. I might go and see it again

But did you have the same experience with the first 2 movies ie. following the movie's production online? I didn't for the first 2 movies and feel it affected my enjoyment of the movie to a certain extent, as it did with ROTS.
I think I need to and also really want to see the movie again to allow it fully sink in!

[*xmenfan*]

But did you have the same experience with the first 2 movies ie. following the movie's production online? I didn't for the first 2 movies and feel it affected my enjoyment of the movie to a certain extent, as it did with ROTS.
no i wasn't here for the 1st two movies. Thats most probaly why i didn't enjoy the new one because i was online everyday checking out whats new

[WorthyStevens]

So yeah... nothing about Angel in the Sci-Fi thing tonight. :o :down

[WorthyStevens]

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2423/scifi4cm.jpg

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw12794.html


Is it weird that I want to glue wings onto my back now? :p

[LEX]

I want glue on my back PRONTO!

Ah, I love the feeling of the cold on my skin...

[WorthyStevens]

I should create or get a pair of wings similar to Ben's in X3. I'll see if I can make myself fly...

Not kidding. :p

[LEX]

Don't kill the birds! Think of the baby eggs!

[cyke93]

I didn't follow Angel too much in the comics, but I hope Angel Fans join me in saying, how disappointed I am with Angel. In the beg, it set things up nicely for him, but once he flew away shirtless, there was nothing else for him. When Ben first came on the screen, i said to myself, "not my first choice as angel but i think they picked a good guy." It was a shame he didn't have a chance to shine. Though I think he suffered because of the amount of characters the film had, a lot of them unneccessary but still.

[cyke93]

no ones talking about angel, it must because he was barely shown in the film.

[cyke93]

seriously where are the angel fans ? hehe

[Iceman]

I didn't follow Angel too much in the comics, but I hope Angel Fans join me in saying, how disappointed I am with Angel. In the beg, it set things up nicely for him, but once he flew away shirtless, there was nothing else for him. When Ben first came on the screen, i said to myself, "not my first choice as angel but i think they picked a good guy." It was a shame he didn't have a chance to shine. Though I think he suffered because of the amount of characters the film had, a lot of them unneccessary but still.

I'm not that disappointed. He's not really an X-Man in this film. This is an introduction to his character and he is simply a mutant facing up to his mutation and encountering the cure dilemma. At least Angel can still join the team in future.

[Anita18]

I also wish that Angel was fleshed out a bit more fully in the movie, but it was pretty much impossible given the limitations of the plotline and the time. In X3 he's more of a confused teenager rather than a true pro-mutant fighter. We see his growth from a child ashamed of his mutation (his father probably hid him away from the world as well) to accepting it and finally using it to do good. At the end of the film we can surmise that he and his father have had a heart-to-heart, since he's flying free in the Bay Area skies. :)

But yeah, that's some supersonic flying power he has in the movie. First he escapes from SF and flies to NY (where Xavier's school is) and then he flies back to SF (rivalling X-Jet speeds) when he learns his father might be in danger.

I loved the fact that Angel was in this movie though. Some of the more emotionally charged scenes involved him - as a child cutting off his wings (the theater sound really emphasized the "sawing" noise ick), to regular humans awed by the real-life angel. The faces of Kavita Rao and Leech as they first beheld him say a lot about what they think of the cure now...

[Mr. Socko]

Angel was anything but great.

But when the wings spread open was that CG?

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe Archangel can be the right hand man of the villain in X-4 and get lots of screen time.

[GoldGoblin]

Angel was anything but great.

But when the wings spread open was that CG?

^No they got a real angel for that shot:)

[cyke93]

I liked how Angel was not the confident rich kid from the comics, he was like rouge and cyclops, who had to cover up their powers, rouge with her clothes and always wearing gloves to cyclops behind the shades. in the comics, he's more arrogant and def. more sure of himself, so i think this change in character was a good choice. hopefully we will see him progress as the confident angel in the comics

[cyke93]

So yeah... nothing about Angel in the Sci-Fi thing tonight. :o :down

hey worthy, what did happen on sci fi?

[silver_arrow]

X3 seems to be an introduction of Angel in X4. Believe it some people in my theater didn't recognize Angel in that suicide scene except for the young kid whose whisper to his dad that it was Angel was a bit audible in a so silent crowd. And I heard some guys also wondering what power Angel has in that scene in the academy where Angel was listening to Wolvie and the others talking.

His every scene was done in a way where it braced you to a possible climactic revelation of his character. Unfortunately though it wasn't delivered in the end. But ,well, Angel earned a few new fans from my friends :) And yeah before I forgot, he got some applause too from my theatre. One was that first flying scene. second was when he saved his dad. And some misled people clapped their hands when he was seen listening to Wolvie. These people were probably thinking he's going to join the xmen :(

[Mr. Socko]

^No they got a real angel for that shot:)

OMG REALLY R U LIEK SERIUOS!?!?!:eek::eek::eek:

[cyke93]

i thought the movie did a horrible job of him, but they left enough potential in him for me to become a fan of his, and i owe it all to the great performance of ben foster. foster, marsden and steward i believe were the best cast people.. ofcourse theres also famke and hugh

[Xplicit Content]

I thought the opening scene alone was worth having Angel in the movie...that was a great scene that re-established to the audience the anguish of a kid discovering himself to be a mutant. The character didn't really do anything else the rest of the film besides come to grips with his mutation and fly away, but regardless, I think he served an important purpose. Ben Foster was a good choice for the character.

[silver_arrow]

I loved the fact that Angel was in this movie though. Some of the more emotionally charged scenes involved him - as a child cutting off his wings (the theater sound really emphasized the "sawing" noise ick), to regular humans awed by the real-life angel. The faces of Kavita Rao and Leech as they first beheld him say a lot about what they think of the cure now...

I like that Leech seeing Angel flying scene too. In Leech's face you'd see his regret of ever being instrumental in the attempt of curing such a beautiful creature.

Actually the way I see it, Angel is a parallel to Phoenix, signifying the dilemma ensues from the cure. Evolution is a double-edged sword: one side is beautiful, Angel; the other side is dangerous, Phoenix.

[WorthyStevens]

Only 5-10 minutes of screentime. I absolutely hated that. :(

On the brightside though, I thought his flight scenes were some of the more beautiful and breathless scenes in the movie. Especially at the end, when you see a little kid in the park watching Angel soar above him.

Which I absolutely loved, seeing as how Warren served as a symbol of peace and beauty, after the President's speech on TV.

[WorthyStevens]

And also, Angel's flashback was my favorite scene in the film.

[WorthyStevens]

There really aren't enough Angel fans to talk about the movie with... :(

[Angamb]

I'm an angel fan. And was disapointed with his screentime. What a wasted opportunity, like Rogue too.

I was hopping for some interaction between them, but no, nothing.

Really sad. the first animated serie had it and was better than what we have got in x3.

[PWN3R]

I'm here buddy. :D


That kid they got for that scene was :eek:.

I thought it opened great cuz you were like *gasp* then boom score hits.

I really think they cut some stuff with Angel, I mean what was all that about him 'kicking bad guy ass'. :(

[WorthyStevens]

According to The Ones, there was a scene where Angel was actually fighting in the battle. But it was cut. :(

[PWN3R]

He also said that there was a Juggernaut Vs Colossus fight, in front of Kitty!

:(

Bull? Maybe, sad? Yes....

[The Caped Knight]

X3 didn't give Angel the justice his Character deserved . For one thing he didn't get much screen time. And another we really didn't see him fight. Althought seeing him fly was amazing .

[WorthyStevens]

I'm an angel fan. And was disapointed with his screentime. What a wasted opportunity, like Rogue too.

I was hopping for some interaction between them, but no, nothing.

Really sad. the first animated serie had it and was better than what we have got in x3.

That was one of my biggest disappointments, as a fanboy. :down

I wanted some Original 5 interaction, but meh.

Hey, but at least he's staying at the mansion (presumably), which means if there's an X4, he could join the team. :up:

I'm here buddy. :D


That kid they got for that scene was :eek:.

I thought it opened great cuz you were like *gasp* then boom score hits.

That was my favorite scene in the movie, hands down. :up: :D

[WorthyStevens]

He also said that there was a Juggernaut Vs Colossus fight, in front of Kitty!

:(

Bull? Maybe, sad? Yes....

Hey, but there could be some definite truth to that. After all, Starlog did confirm a fight between the two. :up: Maybe we'll get to see it on the DVD, at the very least. :O :(


X3 didn't give Angel the justice his Character deserved . For one thing he didn't get much screen time. And another we really didn't see him fight. Althought seeing him fly was amazing .

Unfortunately, Angel did suffer from poor development. :(

But, if he gets a bigger part in future movies, I won't feel as sad about it.

I agree about his flying. I thought his flight scenes were some of the more beautiful and breathless scenes in the movie. Especially at the end, when you see a little kid in the park watching Angel soar above him. He was used awesome in that scene, as a symbol of how mutant-human relations have calmed. :up:

[PWN3R]

X3 eXtended Director's Cut. :(

[WorthyStevens]

X3 eXtended Director's Cut. :(

*sigh*

Just like they did with Daredevil. :( :down

[PWN3R]

Yeah and people who hated that movie, then saw the DC version, liked it. :(

If you have a good film, why cut it up FOX? WHY!?

[The Batman]

i wish they made warren an original member in this flick. probably wouldve gone with an older actor, even though ben was decent. wouldve made him more like the comics too.

My problem was that we didnt go much into warrens character. he was just the guy with wings

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah and people who hated that movie, then saw the DC version, liked it. :(

If you have a good film, why cut it up FOX? WHY!?

Shorter length = More showtimes = More $$

You'd figured after how X2 made $200 million with it's 2+ hour length, Fox wouldn't care how long the movie is... :(

i wish they made warren an original member in this flick. probably wouldve gone with an older actor, even though ben was decent. wouldve made him more like the comics too.

My problem was that we didnt go much into warrens character. he was just the guy with wings

The problem was that he wasn't given enough time to develop. Angel pretty much had to grow to love his wings in the comics, and they started to show it... but he didn't have enough time to develop.

[Angamb]

yes, it's true, the batman. Although I think since we see him in the present, his face express his conflict, I think Ben is a good choice, but he didn't get a good role, good screentime, I mean. Really sad. the Nightcrawler development was much better than Angel.

I really don't understand.

More characters needed more during time. Less time is a bad decision and end damaging the film, like has happened.

[WorthyStevens]

yes, it's true, the batman. Although I think since we see him in the present, his face express his conflict, I think Ben is a good choice, but he didn't get a good role, good screentime, I mean. Really sad. the Nightcrawler development was much better than Angel.

I really don't understand.

More characters needed more during time. Less time is a bad decision and end damaging the film, like has happened.

As the song goes, sad, but true.

[The Batman]

see, he goes to wanting his wings gone, to deciding he wants to keep them. we dont see why he suddenly changes his mind 10 years later

[WorthyStevens]

They really could've went into further explanation about that.

Maybe in a future movie, a new screenwriter (hopefully!) can correct that plothole by explaining it.

[lordofthenerds]

see, he goes to wanting his wings gone, to deciding he wants to keep them. we dont see why he suddenly changes his mind 10 years later
I know, he took the guts and effort to actually try and completley cut them off his body. Then he doesn't want a quick injection to cure himself. Kind of a continuity error.

[WorthyStevens]

Maybe they made Angel afraid of needles? :p

[lordofthenerds]

Maybe they made Angel afraid of needles? :p
But not afraid of deadly sharp razors. :o

[Scooter]

Yeah, he didn't do much, but what scenes he was in were pretty good. And the flashback in the beginning was especially poignant. Although, I kept wondering, who in their right mind would even consider giving up such an awesome ****ing mutation?

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah, he didn't do much, but what scenes he was in were pretty good. And the flashback in the beginning was especially poignant. Although, I kept wondering, who in their right mind would even consider giving up such an awesome ****ing mutation?

For a kid it could be pretty traumatic.

But yeah, the wings are pretty sweet.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I gotta say Angel was one of the few areas I was disappointed with. I had "that's it?" feeling. :(

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah, it definitely was disappointing. Especially after all the promotion he got.

All of his scenes were amazing though. Especially the scene with him flying in the sky over the park at the end.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The good thing is he has been planted nicely for a future sequel. But man...what a letdown. He got it worse than Cykes. :(

[WorthyStevens]

I like to think that had he been given more time, he would have really shined. Sadly, he wasn't given that opportunity.

They really got his flight down though.

[*xmenfan*]

I liked Angel in this film but he needed more screen time!!! Hopefully he is in X4 and ben is playing him again. AS i'm a fan of Angel i was really dissapointed :(.

[Specter313]

I like to think that had he been given more time, he would have really shined. Sadly, he wasn't given that opportunity.

They really got his flight down though.


That's exactly what I thought too. Great minds think alike. :p

Especially the shot after he saved his dad, that was well done and looked really lifelike. You know there's going to be an X4, so I just hope that they do bring Angel back for that and don't give him the Nightcrawler treatment, because Ben really shined, and he loved playing in these movies, unlike Alan, so I hope they bring him back again.

[GoldGoblin]

So will Angel fight in the final battle on the dvd?

[Chris M]

If I was a big Angel fan I'd be VERY disappointed. So much potential - wasted for promotional purposes only. He looked great, but was a wasted character. Shouldn't have bothered with him. :(

[RedIsNotBlue]

That's exactly what I thought too. Great minds think alike. :p

Especially the shot after he saved his dad, that was well done and looked really lifelike. You know there's going to be an X4, so I just hope that they do bring Angel back for that and don't give him the Nightcrawler treatment, because Ben really shined, and he loved playing in these movies, unlike Alan, so I hope they bring him back again.

I am wishing my hope for a trilogy of Apocalypse movies comes true. I have seen Ben's great acting ability long before X3 and let me tell you...he can go MUCH farther than what he was given in X3. I want to see the Archangel arc.

[silver_arrow]

Do you know what the theatre crowd's reaction on Angel was?I went to see xmen3 thrice and I heard the same reaction and it is that --









































































Angel is pretty. :)

[Anita18]

I know, he took the guts and effort to actually try and completley cut them off his body. Then he doesn't want a quick injection to cure himself. Kind of a continuity error.
I didn't think it was a continuity error. He's just really unsure of what he wants to do with himself, LOL, at least until he's given the chance to rid of his wings permanently.

I don't know if this is a good example, but say plastic surgeons made breast implants (and the corresponding surgery) free. Some people might say that I would need it since I'm pretty much as flat-chested as you can get while still having something there, and there was a time in my life where I wish I was bigger and might even have gone through surgery if the idea of having the surgery didn't squick me out. :o

Now I'm older and I've accepted that the media is stupid, and that I'm beautiful the way I am. Plus all of my other friends say that having breasts fly up in your face during inconvenient times is no walk in the park, LOL, in addition to the fact that most guys don't look at their faces while they're talking with them...I'm grateful that I don't have to think about them at all most of the time, and that guys look at my face when they talk with me. (Heck, they might be looking at my butt, but at least I won't notice as much when they do it.) I find it so sad when women get implants so they can feel "normal." Normal compared to what? What the media tells us normal is? We're just not "average," and honestly, who wants to be average? :)

Wings are definitely 10000000x more difficult to deal with, and Warren probably thought that he wanted to be rid of them. He'd be normal, right? But then when he faced the cure and how it meant permanent loss of his wings, he decided that he liked them enough not to lose them. We still have to see him completely embrace them, but we saw some of it when he used his powers to save his father.

[grey_jeanie]

That scene when he was grating them off his body made me feel sick.




I have a very sensitive disposition :)

[silver_arrow]

Angel made us (my circle of friends) agreed on something for once.

[LEX]

The scene with Angel in an X-suit, fighting the Brotherhood members -- it better be true and on the DVD. Or there will be blood...oh, yes, blood!

[RedIsNotBlue]

There wasn't any footage of Angel in an X-suit shot I believe. Just promo images like Cykes.

[peteapan]

Him shaving off his wings as a child and not wanting the injection as an adult isnt a continuity error, he was a boy then with weird lumps growing out his back he couldnt understand, over the years they turned to wings and he learnt to love the freedom they represent but just wanted to make his dad proud. Anyway I agree with you guy, Angel is an amazing character like so many others in this film he was wasted

[LEX]

There wasn't any footage of Angel in an X-suit shot I believe. Just promo images like Cykes.
Someone posted on here that he saw the movie at a press screening and it had about 20 minutes added to the movie, one of them included Angel fighting the Brotherhood and rescuing his dad, instead of showing out of nowhere like in the public version.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Someone posted on here that he saw the movie at a press screening and it had about 20 minutes added to the movie, one of them included Angel fighting the Brotherhood and rescuing his dad, instead of showing out of nowhere like in the public version.

I remember Ben Foster himself saying that he only wore a suit for promo photos.

[LEX]

I remember Ben Foster himself saying that he only wore a suit for promo photos.
Really?

Well, one of you (the guy who saw the press screening) is lying, then. We shall see soon.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Really?

Well, one of you (the guy who saw the press screening) is lying, then. We shall see soon.

He was lying. Here is the link. http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=19724

[LEX]

He was lying. Here is the link. http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=19724
That sucks. :down

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah. I loved pretty much everything else about the movie except how Angel was handled. Didn't think a character could get shafted even more than Cyclops but they proved me wrong.

[grey_jeanie]

huh :down:

[WorthyStevens]

The scene with Angel in an X-suit, fighting the Brotherhood members -- it better be true and on the DVD. Or there will be blood...oh, yes, blood!

He wasn't in an X-suit in that scene. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

That's exactly what I thought too. Great minds think alike. :p

Especially the shot after he saved his dad, that was well done and looked really lifelike. You know there's going to be an X4, so I just hope that they do bring Angel back for that and don't give him the Nightcrawler treatment, because Ben really shined, and he loved playing in these movies, unlike Alan, so I hope they bring him back again.

I think they'll bring him back. The producers are supposedly interested in doing Archangel.

[Storm22]

I think Angel was an effective way of portraying the whole conflict of taking the cure and having to change to be accepted by society. I liked the emotional arc of his character in the movie.
It's a pity he wasn't just marketed as that though instead of misleading us into thinking that he becomes a member of the team and kicks mutant ass. He was a sympathetic character in X3 and a symbol of liberation.

[Karea07]

With films like this, people are going to end up getting minimal screen time. As a new character, you'd think he'd get a little more screen time -- but I was happy with what they gave him. I would have loved to see him fight though in the final battle.

Oh well, I can wait until X4.

[WorthyStevens]

I think Angel was an effective way of portraying the whole conflict of taking the cure and having to change to be accepted by society. I liked the emotional arc of his character in the movie.
It's a pity he wasn't just marketed as that though instead of misleading us into thinking that he becomes a member of the team and kicks mutant ass. He was a sympathetic character in X3 and a symbol of liberation.

Yup. Even in the scene with the park, and this I'm proud of the screenwriters for doing, him soaring in the sky was a symbol of liberation and humans and mutants beginning to live together in peace.

[WorthyStevens]

So even though Angel had a small amount of screentime, anyone else think he had some of the most breathtaking scenes in the movie? With his flight?

[Specter313]

So even though Angel had a small amount of screentime, anyone else think he had some of the most breathtaking scenes in the movie? With his flight?

I thought the effects for his flight were perfect. Especially with how he flipped his father around after saving him.

[WorthyStevens]

I thought the effects for his flight were perfect. Especially with how he flipped his father around after saving him.

That was a great sight to see.

I loved the POV shot of Angel flying down from Worthington Labs too.

[Iceman]

So even though Angel had a small amount of screentime, anyone else think he had some of the most breathtaking scenes in the movie? With his flight?

His flight scenes were very natural. Although they had virtually all been spoiled in advance, watching them on the big screen was a great experience.

[Scooter]

Could Angel have really done any fighting? I mean, it's not like he has crazy talons to scratch people's eyes out with or anything...

[WorthyStevens]

Could Angel have really done any fighting? I mean, it's not like he has crazy talons to scratch people's eyes out with or anything...

He could've. His wings would give him an advantage too.

[Specter313]

Could Angel have really done any fighting? I mean, it's not like he has crazy talons to scratch people's eyes out with or anything...

Let's see, he could:

~ Fly down at high speeds and basically slice your head off with his wings
~ Grab you, fly you up really high and drop you
~ Drop heavy objects on you from above
~ Use long range weapons from above
~ Double team with other characters

[WorthyStevens]

And it's not like the enemy mutants are trained to fight either...

[LEX]

A swan's wings can kill a man...

Of course, Angel can fight. :up: I wanted to see him with a bazooka. Oh,well...

[WorthyStevens]

Let's see, he could:

~ Fly down at high speeds and basically slice your head off with his wings
~ Grab you, fly you up really high and drop you
~ Drop heavy objects on you from above
~ Use long range weapons from above
~ Double team with other characters

He could also grab random Brotherhood pawns with his wings, while grounded, and just toss them up in the air.

And with one smack of both his wings, he could knock out a few more pawns.

[silver_arrow]

He's enigmatic to the theater viewers who didn't have idea who he is.they were thinking actually if he's going to be in the battle. unfortunately that didn't happen. so my friends and I just settled to discuss his prettiness instead.

[WorthyStevens]

He's enigmatic to the theater viewers who didn't have idea who he is.they were thinking actually if he's going to be in the battle. unfortunately that didn't happen. so my friends and I just settled to discuss his prettiness instead.

I thought Angel would've been developed well enough.

I was wrong. :(

[Storm22]

I loved the shot of Leech looking out his window at Angel flying past the GG Bridge!

[WorthyStevens]

It was pretty amazing. I really liked how he was used as a symbol for peace and freedom in this movie.

[WorthyStevens]

I found a pretty sweet tribute clip to Angel from Evolution:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ppSlD6hRds&search=x-men%20evolution

[*xmenfan*]

^cool I loved Angel in evolution

[WorthyStevens]

http://www.comics2film.com/StoryFrame.php?f_id=19673

Q: (To Ben Foster) How were the wings? How did it feel to have wings.

BF: It felt really good, actually. It's a drag getting up early to get feathers glued to you by strangers.

Q: How long did it take?

BF: About four hours, the whole thing … so, but following that as the best example that I can think of is, even non-actors, you know, you go home and you put on your pajamas and walk around the house and if anyone comes around you put on a dress … Not me, I gave that up …

(Laughter)

BF: But, you know, you put on a suit and you're like, hey I'm in a suit. And then you have wings on and it's amazing. You walk onto set and you have this great corner office looking at downtown city and you think (he whispers his excitement), I have wings! It's a really cool, wonderful feeling, very hard to describe.


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Q: So, Ben, have you seen your action figure yet?

BF: Do I have one?

Q: Yeah …

BF: NO ****?!?

(Ben is extremely excited. Everyone starts laughing.)

BF: I'm hoping. I didn't get into this to watch my ass fly. I want a toy.

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BF: I saw it and I went ape****. I saw it in the movie theatre and I thought, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. This is so exciting, stuff's blowing up, people are saying cool stuff, people are flying … I saw it with Ellen, we were alone in the theatre, it was the greatest thing I've ever … I was cheering in the theatre. I'm such a sucker for this stuff …

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Q: What were the coolest effects you got to do?

SA: Well, mine pale in comparison to Ben's just because he jumped out of a …

AP: … building …

SA: … a building, with wings on.

BF: Naked … naked falling …

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Where's the damn toy? :mad: :mad:

[WorthyStevens]

Bump

[Lil_Flip246]

I think him and Ellen are dating. They were alone together in the theatre.. Plus there are alot of pics with them at premieres together!!!!

[WorthyStevens]

Yup. Bellen, was we like to call 'em. :D

[WorthyStevens]

Thinking now, I'm happier with how Angel was done in the movie.

I didn't even think of this before, but the end scene in the park, seeing Angel flying freely made me realize that he has started to bond, and learn to appreciate/love his mutantcy. :D

Which goes full circle from when we first see him, as a little kid scared of his wings. But now, he flies without fear.

As he should.

[Specter313]

Thinking now, I'm happier with how Angel was done in the movie.

I didn't even think of this before, but the end scene in the park, seeing Angel flying freely made me realize that he has started to bond, and learn to appreciate/love his mutantcy. :D

I just really hope they bring him back and not use that as an excuse to keep him in San Francisco and not in X4.

[WorthyStevens]

Ben said he very much wanted to do another one, so I hope Fox takes advantage of that offer.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Thinking now, I'm happier with how Angel was done in the movie.

I didn't even think of this before, but the end scene in the park, seeing Angel flying freely made me realize that he has started to bond, and learn to appreciate/love his mutantcy. :D

Which goes full circle from when we first see him, as a little kid scared of his wings. But now, he flies without fear.

As he should.

Of course he was done well but they quantity was lacking.

[WorthyStevens]

Of course he was done well but they quantity was lacking.

True. But I see this as merely an introduction to his character. With that, as long as he gets more screentime in a future movie, as he should, it doesn't really matter if he has a smaller part than thought in this one.

Even though he was heavily advertised... :down

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yep he was portrayed to have a big role and he was practically a cameo.

[WorthyStevens]

Yep he was portrayed to have a big role and he was practically a cameo.

Yup. That was a major fax paus on Fox's marketing department.

Although, I did find him to have some of the more memorable moments in the film.

[Kira]

Yup. That was a major fax paus on Fox's marketing department.

Although, I did find him to have some of the more memorable moments in the film.

Huh...? Angel...? Was he that blond guy? :confused: :p

You are still living in denial. Angel was *so* useless it's not even funny. I saw the movie a week ago and all I can remember of him is that scene where doctors were going to cure him. And. That's. It. :(

[Specter313]

Huh...? Angel...? Was he that blond guy? :confused: :p

You are still living in denial. Angel was *so* useless it's not even funny. I saw the movie a week ago and all I can remember of him is that scene where doctors were going to cure him. And. That's. It. :(

Pfft, we all know the only reason you remember him then is becuase you zeroed in on his naked chest. You didn't remember him later because he had clothes on. We all know that unless something involves a half naked man, you zone out. :o

[WorthyStevens]

Huh...? Angel...? Was he that blond guy? :confused: :p

You are still living in denial. Angel was *so* useless it's not even funny. I saw the movie a week ago and all I can remember of him is that scene where doctors were going to cure him. And. That's. It. :(

Funny how that's the only scene where he had his shirt off too... :rolleyes: :p

[smashmode]

Please bring back Arcangel

Angel with just wings no offense not that great of a superhero..

[WorthyStevens]

I like Angel more than Archangel to be honest.

And Angel was more of a superhero than Archangel in my opinion.

[WorthyStevens]

I'm still holding to the fact that Angel does more in the battle than we see... :p

If Storm's tidal wave can get cut, alot of other things can get cut too.

[Kira]

Funny how that's the only scene where he had his shirt off too... :rolleyes: :p

Coincidence?

[The Caped Knight]

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/movie/angel28us.gif
ANGEL (http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/angel.htm)

[WorthyStevens]

Sa-weet! :eek:

Any TAS GIF's, Kal?

[The Caped Knight]

Sa-weet! :eek:

Any TAS GIF's, Kal?


Yeah

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/233/archvsapoc0ml.gif
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9798/archfiring1yr.gif

[WorthyStevens]

Thanks Kal :up:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/526/wa8lm.jpg

http://www.empireonline.com/features/nextmen/3.asp

Wussy?

Bastards. :mad:

[WorthyStevens]

Thanks to High Voltage...

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/4955/angelflight3va4cf.gif

[WorthyStevens]

Courtesy of the Xverse

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4913/x3001394wj.jpg

[WorthyStevens]

*watches tumbleweeds roll on by in this thread*

FYI, Angel's dad (Michael Murphy) is on a repeat of Law & Order right now.

[Storm22]

Did they use the de-aging FX on Warren snr. too, out of interest?

[WorthyStevens]

No.

[Iceman]

Young Warren acted pretty well in his few seconds on screen - I normally hate kids in movies.

[Storm22]

No.

Just a quick hair dye so? I though the young Angel actor was excellent! Great casting! That scene was quite gruesome and disturbing!

[WorthyStevens]

Young Warren acted pretty well in his few seconds on screen - I normally hate kids in movies.

Cayden Boyd's a good kid actor. :up:

Just a quick hair dye so? I though the young Angel actor was excellent! Great casting! That scene was quite gruesome and disturbing!

Yup, I guess so.

And that scene was my favorite in the whole movie. I'm glad I decided to wait for the big screen, instead of watching it online first. :up:

[Storm22]

And that scene was my favorite in the whole movie. I'm glad I decided to wait for the big screen, instead of watching it online first. :up:

Me too, it was one of the few scenes I was totally unspoiled for in the movie and it was a pleasant surprise!

[WorthyStevens]

Me too, it was one of the few scenes I was totally unspoiled for in the movie and it was a pleasant surprise!

Young Angel and Cyclops in his bedroom were the scenes that got to me the most.

[Storm22]

Young Angel and Cyclops in his bedroom were the scenes that got to me the most.

I actually really liked Rogue and Wolverine's hallway scene especially when she asks him why he's not telling her to unpack and when the music starts and then when he says "goodbye Rogue" and she says "Marie" - it was a sad scene but I think the casual viewers wanted Rogue to be happy and it was quite emotional seeing her hold Iceman's hand at the end of the movie.

[WorthyStevens]

I actually really liked Rogue and Wolverine's hallway scene especially when she asks him why he's not telling her to unpack and when the music starts and then when he says "goodbye Rogue" and she says "Marie" - it was a sad scene but I think the casual viewers wanted Rogue to be happy and it was quite emotional seeing her hold Iceman's hand at the end of the movie.

It was an alright scene. I would have liked it better if it were a bit longer.

Rogue's arc seemed kind of rushed in this movie.

[Storm22]

It was an alright scene. I would have liked it better if it were a bit longer.

Rogue's arc seemed kind of rushed in this movie.

See her emotional arc was already well established in the past 2 films though. I would have actually liked to see her take the cure though.

[WorthyStevens]

See her emotional arc was already well established in the past 2 films though. I would have actually liked to see her takethe cure though.

Agreed. It would have been nice to see her feelings before taking the cure.

[WorthyStevens]

If Angel gets transformed into Archangel onscreen someday, I think this is a great combo for how he should look:

The white eyes...

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/103/111929933927rq.jpg

The blue skin...

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8936/archcard3iz.jpg

And the wings...

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7376/archangel10grand1jw.jpg

[JustABill]

I doubt we will get the blue skin on Archangel. Far too many already established blue mutants.

[WorthyStevens]

I doubt we will get the blue skin on Archangel. Far too many already established blue mutants.

There's also a bunch of telepaths, mutants with claws, and mutants with flight ability... but they just keep on coming.

Besides, I'd be disappointed if they didn't do the blue skin.

But the XML2 look isn't too bad, if they went with something similar.

[Kryptongurl84]

I just want to say that he was hott in X-Men 3. After I watched this movie, I went and seen it again to see Angel. :xmen:

[silver_arrow]

I just want to say that he was hott in X-Men 3. After I watched this movie, I went and seen it again to see Angel. :xmen:


I just want to say too that that's probably just one of the very good reasons why I went to see it again.

[WorthyStevens]

Angel's my main reason for loving this movie.

[WorthyStevens]

ANGEL (http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/angel.htm)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5255/angel018fp.gifhttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/738/angel15pq.gifhttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3200/angel23ig.gifhttp://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5527/angel32vy.gif
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7439/angel41gu.gifhttp://img85.imageshack.us/img85/613/angel58im.gifhttp://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6531/angel62rb.gif

[cyke93]

I just want to say that he was hott in X-Men 3. After I watched this movie, I went and seen it again to see Angel. :xmen:

u could just go to youtube.com and look at his only real prominent scene

[WorthyStevens]

u could just go to youtube.com and look at his only real prominent scene

True, sadly he didn't appear in too many scenes. But the scenes he did have, had impact. He's the reason for his dad producing the cure, his arrival to the mansion changes Storm and Beast's minds about closing the school, he saves his dad, and his flight in the park serves as a symbol for the newfound liberty that mutants are starting to grasp, by the end of the movie.

[JustABill]

What the cluckin hell at this one?

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Angeldevolved.gif

Did I miss an issue?

[Exploding Boy]

Looks like Warlock from New Xmen. Or that one thing, the shape-shifting bird guy thing.

[WorthyStevens]

I don't remember it. I'm confused about it myself...

[BMM]

Uh . . . didn't Beak and the other Angel have a kid? Maybe that's him? Otherwise, I don't know.

[Exploding Boy]

The other Angel is a girl with insect wings. Her name is Angel like a persons name not like Warrens codename.

[BMM]

I know, but she and Beak had a son together . . . he can be seen in the "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc. He flies around with a baseball bat . . . apparently the son's name is Tito Bohusk, although I don't remember him looking quite like that . . . but that's the only thing I can think of.

[Exploding Boy]

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Angel%209.gif
I hate this Angel

[Retroman]

Was Angel wearing an x-suit when they were rebuilding the GG bridge at the end?

[*xmenfan*]

^ I don't think so. well im seeing it again today so i will look.

[WorthyStevens]

- Are you dissapointed with how the marketing of this movie made it seem very different from what we got on screen. From the trailers, there were many hints that Sentinels could be a very large part of the movie, your Q&A was the only thing that made me think otherwise. Why did you choose to make the presidetial advisor Bolivar Trask if Sentinels were not going to be worked into the plot? Having his character in the movie lead many fans to believe Sentinels would be a villain in the film. Also I feel the marketing very much exaggerated how much of a role certain characters had in this film. Colossus had barely more screentime than in X2, he was essentially just there to throw wolverine a couple times and carry a TV. Rogue was absent for most of the film, Angel's scenes were almost entirely shown in the trailer (and the promo shots of him in a x-suit were VERY misleading). Many fans were expecting a very different film than what we got.

* I don't think any of this is accurate. All the hardcore fans want their favorite characters to have more screen time. In X2, Rogue saps one power and then flies the plane. Other than that, what? When I see X3 ads, I see Logan and Storm plastered all over the place. And at one point, Angel WAS in a X-suit. I think many people built up expectations, read every spoiler they could get their hands on, and that isn't the way to see a movie. One thing I've learned from this process is that trying to put big surprises in a summer movie is close to pointless. If the marketing doesn't reveal it, the internet will.

So he definitely was in an X-suit at one point...

- How exactly did Angel fly at the same speed as the blackbird, a supersonic jet, to get to San Francisco so quickly?

* He had to have stowed away on the plane, otherwise it isn't possible.

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?p=38480#post38480

[WorthyStevens]

- Why did Angel suddenly show up at the mansion not do anything there and just fly in to rescue his dad out of nowhere?

* Well, that is a pretty slanted view of what happened. He showed up because he had no place else to go. The reasons for not having him in the final fight had more to do with logistics and the sheer number of characters we had to deal with. Keep in mind, we see Angel as having been "set up" in this movie. When Simon and I were writing, no one was calling it "The Last Stand" or saying this was the final movie.

I'm not asking for much, just a quick cut scene of Angel flying down and picking up, and tossing a few enemies. :( Was it that hard? :( :( :down

[PWN3R]

*cries*

So he was in an x-suit!? wow, FOX sucks....:(

[WorthyStevens]

*cries*

So he was in an x-suit!? wow, FOX sucks....:(

You're telling me dude. :( :down

[PWN3R]

Hopefully, we'll get the scene on dvd, but we shouldn't have to wait for that, that should have been in the movie. :(

[WorthyStevens]

I asked Zak if there were a possibility that Warren makes his first DR practice (off screen) right near or after the end of the movie...

Here's to hoping. *crosses fingers*

[PWN3R]

IMO Zak was honest from the beginning, re-reading his stuff, Simon on the other hand, wow....:mad: :down :(

[WorthyStevens]

IMO Zak was honest from the beginning, re-reading his stuff, Simon on the other hand, wow....:mad: :down :(

'Cyclops has a few surprises.' :down

Colossus speaks while metalled up. Such lies. :down :o

[PWN3R]

'Cyclops has a few surprises.' :down

Colossus speaks while metalled up. Such lies. :down :o

freakin loser, I bet he never comes back! :mad:

[WorthyStevens]

I want to see him answer all these questions. Zak owned up to it atleast. :o

[PWN3R]

Yeah, I'd like to see what he says about his "Cykes fans will be pleased."

And I remember him saying Angel had a good sized role too. :(

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah, I'd like to see what he says about his "Cykes fans will be pleased."

And I remember him saying Angel had a good sized role too. :(

That's right... he did. :mad: :mad: :down :o

[LEX]

God, I hope Kinberg burns in hell, giving us fans false hopes. Answer truthfully or don't answer at all.

[WorthyStevens]

I especially love the bit he gave us about why Gambit's not in the movie. :rolleyes:

[Octoberist]

I wouldn't say Kinberg should burn in hell. Come on.

Kick him in the balls yeah...that's fine.

[LEX]

I wouldn't say Kinberg should burn in hell. Come on.

Kick him in the balls yeah...that's fine.
That'll do.

[Phoenix_Rising]

Guys you're getting it all wrong I think. Angel was in an X-suit in the movie and it wasn't cut:

If you look closely at the end when Angel is flying around he is wearing something black which appears to be leather and I doubt this is his casual wear so it looks like he's joined the X-men properly by the end of the movie. I don't think, although very cool, it would have worked with him randomly going into battle with the X-men when he's only just arrived at the mansion it would be like wtf?! First you come into our house and now you wanna wear a suit just like that, no way *****!! Anyway Angel was introduced in this film like other characters were such as Collosus in X2. Angel will most likely be expanded upon in future sequels/spinoffs so quit worrying, there is more to come from our winged friend :-)!

[WorthyStevens]

Guys you're getting it all wrong I think. Angel was in an X-suit in the movie and it wasn't cut:

If you look closely at the end when Angel is flying around he is wearing something black which appears to be leather and I doubt this is his casual wear so it looks like he's joined the X-men properly by the end of the movie. I don't think, although very cool, it would have worked with him randomly going into battle with the X-men when he's only just arrived at the mansion it would be like wtf?! First you come into our house and now you wanna wear a suit just like that, no way *****!! Anyway Angel was introduced in this film like other characters were such as Collosus in X2. Angel will most likely be expanded upon in future sequels/spinoffs so quit worrying, there is more to come from our winged friend :-)!

I have no doubt he'll be expanded upon, which is why I'm not too upset about his small screentime in this movie.

[WorthyStevens]

The other thing is... when the X-Men go for the final battle, how do you think it would have been to have Angel approach the X-Men, and ask if he could go along with them, since his father is on Alcatraz? He did overhear them, he knew they were going. It would have been great if he could have become a member of the team for the final battle. It wouldn't have changed too much, he still could have just saved his dad, but it would have given him a chance to be A.) Part of the team (as he was heavily advertised in his costume), and B.) Give him a chance to kick a little bit of ass in the final battle, make him a more useful character, and give Angel fans something to cheer for. And it would have given a bit more payoff for the introductory Angel flashback scene, as well.

* Well, we wrote that exact scene. But it didn't make it past the powers that be. There were actually some legitimate reasons for this having to do with production restraints, difficulty with the wings, etc, before everyone starts lumping this in with the Scott stuff.

MOTHER****ING HELL!!!! :eek: :mad: :down :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

DIFFICULTY WITH THE WINGS?! USE CGI EFFECTS DAMMIT!!!

DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!

[Kira]

Seriously. Who is this Angel you are talking about? No. SERIOUSLY.



:p


But still. It wouldn't have changed anything. His character would have been as paper thin as it was before. Only with leather.

[WorthyStevens]

Seriously. Who is this Angel you are talking about? No. SERIOUSLY.



:p


But still. It wouldn't have changed anything. His character would have been as paper thin as it was before. Only with leather.

Not as paper thin as that one guy... hmm... what's his name? You know, the dude that likes to play with fire, or something like that? I believe he's also with Magneto...

:p

[Kira]

Not as paper thin as that one guy... hmm... what's his name? You know, the dude that likes to play with fire, or something like that? I believe he's also with Magneto...

:p

Man. That's low. :( :p

[WorthyStevens]

Man. That's low. :( :p

It's what happens when you start trouble in my thread. This is my house!

:o :p

[Kira]

It's what happens when you start trouble in my thread. This is my house!

:o :p

Wow. Just wow. You really are the single most lamest person ever! Congratulations! :) :up:

[WorthyStevens]

Wow. Just wow. You really are the single most lamest person ever! Congratulations! :) :up:

Why thank you. It's such an honor. :D


*realizes people don't get his Family Guy quotes*

:(

[Kira]

Why thank you. It's such an honor. :D



:(

:(

I'm sorry. You can make fun of Pyro if you want to. :p

[WorthyStevens]

:(

I'm sorry. You can make fun of Pyro if you want to. :p

I already have.

If that is indeed the name of the guy who likes to set things on fire. :p

[LEX]

MOTHER****ING HELL!!!! :eek: :mad: :down :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

DIFFICULTY WITH THE WINGS?! USE CGI EFFECTS DAMMIT!!!

DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!
All the more reasons to hate Fox.

[WorthyStevens]

All the more reasons to hate Fox.

And those reasons just keep growing each day.

[WorthyStevens]

I'm still damn angry with Fox cutting Angel out of the battle...

Something needs to be done about Fox sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. :mad:

[LEX]

Cut off their noses.

[WorthyStevens]

I'm more in the mood for multiple castrations.

[LEX]

And flaying.

Flay, castrate and burn.

[WorthyStevens]

Anything involving slow, painful, torturous death sounds good to me. :)

I'm going to be majorly pissed off about this for the next couple days...

[TNC9852002]

I'm more angry that we don't know why he was cut, not that he was just cut..

-TNC

[WorthyStevens]

I'm more angry that we don't know why he was cut, not that he was just cut..

-TNC

When I heard "but it didn't make it past the powers that be", that set me off...

[WorthyStevens]

Angel poster signed by Ben Foster for charity:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7627232027

[WorthyStevens]

Profile: BEN FOSTER SPREADS HIS WINGS AS ANGEL IN X-MEN: THE LAST STAND

by Carl Cortez
May 29, 2006

While X-MEN: THE LAST STAND adds many new mutants to the mix, one of the most anticipated is the character of Angel played by Ben Foster. Blessed with the gift of angel wings through his genetic mutation, Angel is conflicted about who he is and who is father wants him to be.

"I think that Rogue is one of the most conflicted with what can be considered a blessing or an illness or disfigurement, but when it gets to Angel it’s a beautiful metaphor," says Foster. "It's seeing somebody who has been blessed with a 16 foot wingspan and then be haunted by, in his opinion and his Father's opinion, to be a horrible disfigurement. What a beautiful thing to think about and how our differences as individuals in turn make us special. That is the success of this series."

Wearing those gigantic wings was an ordeal unto itself, but Foster loved every minute of it.

"The preparation in the morning was like the alarm goes off, it is 4, and then strangers strip you down, and you are cold and then they start painting you with glue," laughs Foster. "Then they put the wings on there and then you are an angel. I wasn't laughing, I dig it now, because this was a big budget film which means there is a lot of cast, which means there a lot of ups and down time so you can't unglue. So you take naps on this couch."

The outsider element to the franchise is something that Foster took to as well, and it certainly allowed for preparation of the role.

"Every actor talks about not getting along in school or every artist has that 'I was an outsider, I was a haunted kid,' and I think all people feel that way at some point," says Foster. "Let's say you are an athlete and you are just really tall, really young, and it's awkward and it's strange. I think that all people feel different or not good enough, not good looking enough, not smart enough, not interesting, not enough. Whether or not we cater to our groups and their opinions defines us to be the people that we want to be and hopefully we can take 'X-Men' and these kind of modern day Roman Greek Gods with great powers and faults and see a bit of ourselves in that and remember that very basically it is important to be you."

And with that, Foster feels that is why the X-MEN films are so popular.

"I think that is the success of the series is that is about people having to confront themselves like any drama and how do we fit in," says Foster. "I don't think that is specific to us. I think that is why the X-Men is a universal love machine."

http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1510

[Farren]

Hey worthy, what was Zak's reason again? budget?

[Jamie Madrox]

After watching X3, I thought Angel did get good screentime, not as much as I wanted, but, he got some good scenes. Ya got to remember, It's his first movie, his first introduction to the X-Men, you can't expect Angel to do battle right away, to me, I don't think it was his fight, he had his own problems to deal with. He just needed a place to go and be accepted.

That's what I think anyway. :)

[WorthyStevens]

Hey worthy, what was Zak's reason again? budget?

Production restraints, problems with the wings, it didn't make it past the powers that be at Fox...

In other words, I hate Fox even more than I did beforehand.

After watching X3, I thought Angel did get good screentime, not as much as I wanted, but, he got some good scenes. Ya got to remember, It's his first movie, his first introduction to the X-Men, you can't expect Angel to do battle right away, to me, I don't think it was his fight, he had his own problems to deal with. He just needed a place to go and be accepted.

That's what I think anyway. :)

Wolverine was still kinda new when he was a part of the Liberty Island mission in X1.

Angel could have held his own, it's not like the opposing side was more trained than he was. And I think he would have been accepted faster if he fought with the team. ;)

[RedIsNotBlue]

Production restraints, problems with the wings, it didn't make it past the powers that be at Fox...

In other words, I hate Fox even more than I did beforehand.



Wolverine was still kinda new when he was a part of the Liberty Island mission in X1.

Angel could have held his own, it's not like the opposing side was more trained than he was. And I think he would have been accepted faster if he fought with the team. ;)

I would have been fine with Angel not being in the final fight but the marketing for him built him up for it. I hated that they built him up so much...he was destined to disappoint with that marketing.

[WorthyStevens]

I would have been fine with Angel not being in the final fight but the marketing for him built him up for it. I hated that they built him up so much...he was destined to disappoint with that marketing.

Fox knew he was cut from the battle and being in uniform, yet they went ahead and advertised him in uniform. God do I hate Fox.

[WorthyStevens]

Here are some Angel storyboards Mike Vena did for X-Men 2. The proposed but aborted cameo the mutant with wings was going to make.

X2 ANGEL STORYBOARDS
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8092/3104454main0tt.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6033/3104455main8wt.jpg

Credit to MIKE VENA and COUNTINGDOWN.COM

:eek:

I never saw these storyboards before! :up:

[Jamie Madrox]

Wolverine was still kinda new when he was a part of the Liberty Island mission in X1.

Angel could have held his own, it's not like the opposing side was more trained than he was. And I think he would have been accepted faster if he fought with the team. ;)

Well, Wolverine was always a fighter, we know he can hold his own when it comes to battle new or not, that's pretty obvious. But Angel's not a fighter, IMO, I don't think he is that much, so who knows how he would've handled a major battle like that, what could he have really done besides swoop down and take injured humans out of harms way? I know his wings could be used as his defense, but other than I don't know.

Regardless, I liked how they used Angel. At least we finally got him in a movie, after we already had two. Better than nothin' right? :)

[LEX]

:eek:

I never saw these storyboards before! :up:
Wow, those storyboards are great. I've never seen those before, too. :up: What is Angel doing there? It's a bit hard to make it out.

[WorthyStevens]

Well, Wolverine was always a fighter, we know he can hold his own when it comes to battle new or not, that's pretty obvious. But Angel's not a fighter, IMO, I don't think he is that much, so who knows how he would've handled a major battle like that, what could he have really done besides swoop down and take injured humans out of harms way? I know his wings could be used as his defense, but other than I don't know.

He has great strength too. Remember how he breaks out of those straps and breaks free of those doctors?

And alot of those Brotherhood pawns weren't too good of fighters. He could easily use his wings to swipe up enemies and toss them to far lengths.

Regardless, I liked how they used Angel. At least we finally got him in a movie, after we already had two. Better than nothin' right? :)

It is. :up:

[*xmenfan*]

:eek:

I never saw these storyboards before! :up:
Me ethier! woah they are amazing! Why couldnt they have put Angel in X2! looks like I can see nightcrawler! :)

[WorthyStevens]

I watched 'On Angel's Wings' from Evolution today. Great episode. :up:

Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaHQEEcunbw&search=on%20angel%27s%20wings

Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KpVM2dMPOKs&search=on%20angel%27s%20wings

[*xmenfan*]

^ I love that episode. Thanks for posting I haven't seen this episode in a long time!

[WorthyStevens]

Some X3 fanfiction I wrote...:


WOLVERINE
Magneto's headed for Alcatraz.


In the distance, a figure appears from behind a doorway. It's Warren.

ANGLE ON: Angel. He knows what he has to do now.

CUT TO: INT. MANSION HALLWAY
A worried Warren catches up with Hank, Logan and Ororo.


WARREN
I have to go with you guys!

All three adults turn to Angel.

LOGAN
Kid, it's a huge battle out there. Your not trained. We can't risk it.


WARREN
I know what Magneto's going to do. And my dad's at the center what he has in store. I can't let him hurt my dad.

Storm and Wolverine exchange glances.



STORM
For once I agree with Logan. I cannot risk having an untrained student go out there. It's too dangerous.

WARREN
As long as I have my wings, I'll be fine.

Hank looks at Warren. Beast sees the fierce determination in Angel's eyes. He then turns his attention to the other two.


HANK
The lad's not going to budge, Ororo.

(turns to Warren)

HANK (CONT'N.)
Am I right?

WARREN
I can go with you guys, or myself. If you haven't noticed, I do have wings that will fly me over there you know.

(pauses)

WARREN (CONT'N.)
Listen, my dad might not have done the most responsible thing, but he's still my dad. And a human being. I love my dad to death, and I'm not just going to sit on hand and knee while god knows what happens to him. So, I can either ride with you all, or I can take myself. Either way, I'll be there. But it would be nice if I'm not tired by the time I reach Alcatraz.

Storm sighs.

ORORO






(pauses)


ORORO (CONT'N.)
Hank, get Warren a suit. He'll need one.

[WorthyStevens]

Posted by Psionic Force in the Photo Album thread...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/489/angel8xy0vs.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/337/angelangle9ob5ex.jpg


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216361&page=576

[Angamb]

Let's hope Angel and Nightcrawler get some scene together in X4.

[WorthyStevens]

Let's hope Angel and Nightcrawler get some scene together in X4.

Yeah. They had some of the best scenes in X2 and X3.

[*xmenfan*]

Some X3 fanfiction I wrote...:

Thats really good :up: I wish tht happened in X3 :(.
Yeah it would be good seeing nightcrawler and Angel having scenes together!

[Spider-Man™]

I want to see more Angel for sure.

[*xmenfan*]

Posted by Psionic Force in the Photo Album thread...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/489/angel8xy0vs.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/337/angelangle9ob5ex.jpg


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216361&page=576

:eek: me want!! lol.

[WorthyStevens]

Thanks to the Xverse...

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4631/x3prangel0034wl.jpg




:(

[*xmenfan*]

^ :eek: AHHHHH!!!. :mad: o man :mad: grrrrrrr lol.

[WorthyStevens]

Thanks to La_She-Beast for the pic. ;)




http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/436/angel9pi2ev.jpg

[Angamb]

Thanks to the Xverse...

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4631/x3prangel0034wl.jpg




:(

really like it, but haven't you think that these wings seams to be around 20 in total?, when we saw them open and were much much more...

How cheap, Fox, how cheap...

[_BB_]

^ his head looks photoshopped into the suit...


actually, im willing to bet thats jimmy marsden because the pose looks VERY similar, how ****in cheap

[WorthyStevens]

I don't see how it's photoshopped. :confused:

I don't see what the point would be in photoshopping it. If anything, having him actually wear the uniform would be easier than manipping it.

[_BB_]

Its his head around the neck area...it just looks weird to me, especially the shadowing and his pose is pretty much exactly the same as one of jimmy marsdens

[WorthyStevens]

Which pose of Jimmy's are you thinking of?

[_BB_]

Which pose of Jimmy's are you thinking of?

The one that looks exaclty like that lol, if i could find the image id post it...

[WorthyStevens]

Here is Angel's X-Men Legends -XM1- wallpaper, before he was scrapped for Jubilee...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4216/angelxmenlegends2kr.png


:(

[*xmenfan*]

^ :eek: They chose jubilee over angel :( ahhh :mad: I hate jubilee on x-men legends 1 shes rubbish!

[WorthyStevens]

I know your pain...

It's a beautiful wallpaper atleast. Wish I had a bigger size.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wish I had a bigger size.

:confused: :eek: :o :O heh

[WorthyStevens]

:confused: :eek: :o :O heh

I'm more than fine in that department. :D

But I was talking about the wallpaper.

[WorthyStevens]

Re-found this pic...

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6607/xmdnav1302tc.jpg

http://xmd2.blogspot.com/

[PWN3R]

I agree, that pic screams photoshop......:(

[WorthyStevens]

Originally posted by High Voltage. :up:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9397/angelflight0ot9qh.gif

[taintedFB]

I THINK THIS IS MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD.

BEWARE THE ANGEL OF DEATH!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/TaintedFB/Archangel.jpg


enjoy.

[WorthyStevens]

^ Awesome tainted, but could you be able to crop out the brown hair, or paint it yellow?

[WorthyStevens]

This is kinda cool. I'm playing Grand Theft Auto Liberty Stories, and they made kind of a nod to Angel. The game mentioned an Avenging Angel program, which turns vigilantes into reformed peoples.

[Majik1387]

I have a question. Why do people want Angel to turn into Archangel in the movies so soon?

[WorthyStevens]

I have a question. Why do people want Angel to turn into Archangel in the movies so soon?

Because most people think Angel is boring, and think Archangel is better since he's flashier and corrupted by Apocalypse.

If he gets changed too soon, the heart of the whole arc will be lost in translation.

[Majik1387]

Because most people think Angel is boring, and think Archangel is better since he's flashier and corrupted by Apocalypse.

Oh. Have they ever read the comics with pre-Archangel? I never found him boring. I wouldn't say he's an all-time most interesting character but it's not like he was some cameo.

[WorthyStevens]

Oh. Have they ever read the comics with pre-Archangel? I never found him boring. I wouldn't say he's an all-time most interesting character but it's not like he was some cameo.

Unfortunately the downside to Death/Archangel was that for people who haven't read the comics, they see Warren as destructive and angry. And then when they see regular Angel, he's nothing like Archangel.

[WorthyStevens]

Found this over at the Xverse:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4012/614dvdl0gz.jpg

Did anyone else see this pic yet? I wonder what the full pic looks like.

[*xmenfan*]

Because most people think Angel is boring, and think Archangel is better since he's flashier and corrupted by Apocalypse.

If he gets changed too soon, the heart of the whole arc will be lost in translation.
I really like Angel I think he better than arcangel.
I saw that picture of angel ages ago i forgot to post it lo. I want to see a larger version :mad:

[WorthyStevens]

It does look like it could be a great pic when seen in whole. Damn it, where's the full pic? :mad:

[Morphius DOH]

Unfortunately the downside to Death/Archangel was that for people who haven't read the comics, they see Warren as destructive and angry. And then when they see regular Angel, he's nothing like Archangel.

There was so little of Angel that was shown, in the movie, that his nature wasn't established enough, a screenplay could be written with him as Archangel. Only problem would be to explain his change of wings and skin color, without having to establish Apocalyps's background.

[Morphius DOH]

There was so little of Angel that was shown, in the movie, that his nature wasn't established enough, a screenplay could be written with him as Archangel. Only problem would be to explain his change of wings and skin color, without having to establish Apocalyps's background.

[WorthyStevens]

There was so little of Angel that was shown, in the movie, that his nature wasn't established enough, a screenplay could be written with him as Archangel. Only problem would be to explain his change of wings and skin color, without having to establish Apocalyps's background.

X3 was only an introduction to his character. He could further develop before a transition to Archangel with a movie or two.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

New pics!!!

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3542/angel6hc.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4184/angel52kp.jpg

[_BB_]

what did they do to his wing in the first one? :(

[Majik1387]

I gotta say I don't want him turning into Archangel unless Apocalypse is involved. If Apocalypse doesn't come into the movies, leave Angel as he is. I think the whole Archangel thing has become overrated.

[_BB_]

Im one of the few people who prefers angel to archangel, i never want to see him lose those wings, to me they are a symbol that should be preserved instead of turning them into 'coldhearted' steel

[WorthyStevens]

what did they do to his wing in the first one? :(

I don't know. :(

But his wings in the second picture look much, MUCH better.

I gotta say I don't want him turning into Archangel unless Apocalypse is involved. If Apocalypse doesn't come into the movies, leave Angel as he is. I think the whole Archangel thing has become overrated.

Me too. As long as they keep his emotional arc/development with it.

[LEX]

No more blue mutants. :o

If there will be an Archangel, can they still do him without the blue skin, somehow?

[Majik1387]

^Or they can just not do him at all.

[LEX]

^Or they can just not do him at all.
Not an option.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Not an option.
^^^Agreed!!!

[WorthyStevens]

No more blue mutants. :o

If there will be an Archangel, can they still do him without the blue skin, somehow?

To be honest, I much prefer the blue skin. It went very well with Warren's new look.

[*xmenfan*]

New pics!!!

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3542/angel6hc.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4184/angel52kp.jpg
:eek: thanks I love the wings in the second picture!!

[WorthyStevens]

They are amazing.

[Angamb]

I don't understand how the wings look different in each promo pic they showed :down :down :down

[SCOTT&JEAN]

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6248/angel0qq.jpg

[WorthyStevens]

Thanks S&J.

The wings look horrible in that pic. :down

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I agree.... I mean in every pic we see his wings are different than before.... it's really confusing...