"Guardian Archangel:" The Official Character Discussion Thread

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"Guardian Angel":
The Official Character Discussion Thread
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Welcome to the first official thread dedicated solely to Archangel--an original member of The X-Men. Here, I would like to invite my awesome fellow Forum Members to discuss all things in relation to Warren Kenneth Worthington III (hint, hint): His future roles in film, TV, and in print. Let's talk about the live action and animated actors that have embodied this character over the years, the potential impact Archangel could have on kids of the world when 2006 rolls around, and his relationships with The X-Men. Also feel free to post your favorite pictures of this winged Adonis....



Biographical Data

Real Name: Warren Kenneth Worthington III
Occupation: Adventurer
Identity: It is publicly known, but not that he was the being called Death.
Legal Status: United States citizen with no criminal record
Other Aliases: Angel II, Death II, Dark Angel, Avenging Angel
Place of Birth: Centerport, Long Island, New York
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Warren K. (grandfather, deceased), Warren K. Jr. (father, deceased), Kathryn (mother, deceased), Burt (alias, Dazzler, paternal uncle)
Group Affiliation: (current) X-Men, (former) X-Factor, Defenders, Champions, Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Base Of Operations: Xavier Institute for Higher Learning, Salem Center, Westchester, New York
First Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1 (as Angel II), X-Factor #17 (as Death II), X-Factor #36 (as Dark Angel), X-Factor #38 (as Archangel)

His Story

History:Warren Worthington III was attending a private school in his adolescence when wings began to grow from his shoulder blade. The wings reached their full adult size within months, but Worthington kept them a secret by strapping them tightly to his back and concealing them under his clothes. At first he thought himself a freak. However, Worthington learned that he could use his wing to fly, and came to enjoy his new ability. Then, one night there was a fire in his dormitory, and he resolved to use his flying power to rescue the people inside. To conceal his identity, Worthington wore a long blond wig and a long nightshirt, so that he looked like an angel. The rescue was successful, and his identity remained a secret. Shortly thereafter Worthington became a costumed crime fighter in New York City under the name of the Avenging Angel. He was then contacted by the X-Men and agreed to join them.


Subsequently, in a battle with the Marauders during their massacre of the mutant Morlocks, the Angel was caught by Blockbuster. Another Marauder, Harpoon, then impaled the Angel's wings with his weapons. The thunder god Thor rescued the Angel, but the bones of the Angel's wings had been permanently crippled, and his wounds became infected. As a result, surgeons amputated Worthington's wings. Worthington changed his will, leaving his fortune to X-Factor, thereby unwittingly playing into Hodge's plans. Shortly afterwards, in despair over the loss of his wings, his breakup with Southern, and the controversy plaguing X-Factor, Worthington apparently committed suicide in a small aircraft that exploded.

In fact, however, Worthington was teleported to safety by the mutant Apocalypse who, through genetic manipulation, caused the Angel's wings to grow back in a new form. His views towards the world radically altered by his recent traumatic experiences, Worthington became one of Apocalypse's warriors, the so-called Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and took the name Death. As Death, he battled the other four founding members of X-Factor, but he was shocked into ending his attack when one of the X-Factor members, Iceman, faked his own demise. Abandoning both Apocalypse and X-Factor, Worthington flew off to live a solitary life. He then rejoined X-Factor and adopted the new name of Archangel. Recently Warren underwent yet another transformation. This time Archangel "shed" his metallic wings which gave way to his older, more familiar feathered wings. The mystery surrounding this change is yet uncovered, but Warren fears it could be the next step in some higher plan that Apocalypse may have in store for him. This transformation was seemingly triggered by injuries he suffered to his wings inflicted by Sabretooth.

His newfound relationship with his fellow X-Man, Psylocke, has been the anchor he needs while dealing with his current changes. It's no surprise that Warren is also providing the same comfort to Betsy as she deals with her own "evolution" as a result of her exposure to the life-saving Crimson Dawn.

http://www.sfae.com/artists/vallejo/exhibit1/images/archangel.jpg


Stats
Height: 6 Ft.
Weight: 150 lbs
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Blond

Strength Level: The Angel possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height and build, who exercises in intensive regular exercise. His wings can create enough lift to enable him to carry aloft at least 200 pounds in addition to his own weight.

Known Superhuman Powers: Angel is a mutant who can fly by means of his natural. Fully feathered like a bird's, the wings have a very flexible skeletal structure, enabling him to press them to the back of his torso and legs with only the slightest bulge visible under his clothing. His wings have superhuman strength and can create enough lift to enable him to carry aloft at least 500 pounds in addition to his own weight. Angel's entire anatomy is naturally adapted to flying. His bones are hollow like a bird's, making him weigh far less than usual for a man of his build. His body is virtually devoid of fat and possesses greater proportionate muscle mass than an ordinary human does.

His eyes are specially adapted to withstand high-speed winds which would hurt the average human eye. He possesses a special membrane in his respiratory system enabling him to extract oxygen from the air at high velocities or altitudes. Angel flies by flapping his wings, as a bird does. Though he generally flies below the height of clouds (6,500 feet), Angel can reach a height of 10,000 feet with little effort. With severe strain he can reach the highest recorded altitude of a bird in flight (African geese at 29,000 feet above sea level), but he can only remain that high for several minutes. He can fly nonstop under his own power for a maximum of approximately twelve hours. Contrary to some reports, he could not make a transatlantic flight solely under his own power. However, since his genetic alteration by Apocalypse, Angel may be able to fly for longer periods non-stop than he could previously.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Gallery I

This first gallery features classic renditions of Archangel by various artists over the years. Some are from actual X-comic panels.

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http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8227/picture19tk.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture19tk.jpg)

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Gallery II

The following are "artsy" renditions of classic artists i.e. Boris Vallejo and others.


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http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8227/picture19tk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Gallery III

This gallery contains various shots of acclaimed actor Ben Foster,
who will play the role of Angel in 2006's X3.

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http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/6568/picture39li.th.jpg (http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture39li.jpg)

[Neto Magnus]

Reserved for forthcoming comment.

[Lightning Strykez!]

The Focus Of This Thread:

A Note From Lightning:

Unlike other threads devoted to various rumored casting choices and others that concentrate exclusively on Ben Foster's aesthetic looks, the purpose of Guardian Angel is to focus more on the character of Angel himself--i.e. the source material. It's important that we get to know this new character to the X-Men film franchise and the important role he's played in the X-Men world from Issue #1.

True, there is no way to do this without getting into Ben Foster's acting prowess, but now that we have finalized casting and the galleries above as a point of reference, we can talk more about what Brett's possible plans are as details unravel.

Some items for discussion:

*Noting the varied looks of Angel's wings over the decades, which styling would look best for a modern silver screen treatment?

*How appropriate would it be to tie in the Morlocks with Angel's storyline?

*Do you think the rumored graphic descriptions of Angel's amputation attempts will be too strong for young audiences?

*Flight sequences: Should the studio designers go with all CGI or simply wirework?

*What impact do you feel Angel's conflict will have on teenagers who are searching for their own identites?

[EnSabahNur]

Ok so we know Warren is being KNown as Angel and not ArchAngel in the 3rd movie....

[Franklin Richards]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I don't wanna see any of that Apocalypse crud. Give me billionaire playboy Warren with his regular ol' wings any day. That maudlin Angel sucks.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I don't wanna see any of that Apocalypse crud. Give me billionaire playboy Warren with his regular ol' wings any day. That maudlin Angel sucks.


:thing: :doom: :thing:


It's good to see a familiar face "from the old days". Welcome Franklin. ;)



EDIT: I agree with you by the way. I definitely prefer au naturel wings and I'm thinking they will go with something like that. The question is, how CGI heavy will that be to accomplish that? Or will they do prosthetics?

[EnSabahNur]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I don't wanna see any of that Apocalypse crud. Give me billionaire playboy Warren with his regular ol' wings any day. That maudlin Angel sucks.


:thing: :doom: :thing: agreed, if they ever do make a sequal with apocalypse in it, id be all for that angel but not this time....

[aaron]

too early for apocalypse

[Franklin Richards]

It's good to see a familiar face "from the old days". Welcome Franklin. ;)



EDIT: I agree with you by the way. I definitely prefer au naturel wings and I'm thinking they will go with something like that. The question is, how CGI heavy will that be to accomplish that? Or will they do prosthetics?


The footage I saw in Dogma convinced me that they could do a nice Angel. I don't know how much was CGI or how much was practical. All I know is that it was great. Check that flick for superb Angel effects.

I'd also like to see some Morlock action with Angel involved. If they use the old story of Storm battling for his life it might give Halle just the depth she needs in a part.

Callisto would be great. But would they soup up her powers? She didn't have alot other than tracking and fighting.

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[aaron]

maybe they should of got jason mewes for angel instead, hes already got the long, long hair

[Endeavor]

That black and yellow costume with the tubing snaking all around him, it's rancid :down

[aaron]

i dont like the tubing :(

[X-Maniac]

The Focus Of This Thread:

Some items for discussion:

*Noting the varied looks of Angel's wings over the decades, which styling would look best for a modern silver screen treatment?

*How appropriate would it be to tie in the Morlocks with Angel's storyline?

*Do you think the rumored graphic descriptions of Angel's amputation attempts will be too strong for young audiences?

*Flight sequences: Should the studio designers go with all CGI or simply wirework?

*What impact do you feel Angel's conflict will have on teenagers who are searching for their own identites?

1) Natural feathered wings.... any alteration to metal wings should come later, unless he has the feathered wings as a child, has them removed, and we see a grown-up version with the metal wings as a result of Weapon X. Seems a lot to happen in one movie...

2) The tie-in with Morlocks could be too complex. A tie-in with Weapon X and Wolverine seems more logical given the events of the previous two movies.

3) Showing the amputation attempts will be fine, considering X2 had Magneto killing a guard by pulling out iron. We needn't see shots of attempts to gouge out the wings, just a knife, arm movements with the arm behind the back, then a knife with blood on it. It can be done easily without being graphic.

4) Wings should be prosthetics and during flight sequences CGI would be better than wirework.

5) Angel's wings signify the same as other mutations - the teenager who feels out of place with the world, misunderstood by parents and peers. The emergence of the full wings and subsequent flight signifies finding freedom of expression, a 'coming out', a transition into adulthood, able to be who you are.

[Neto Magnus]

you know, keeping with the 'fresh' movie versions of certain characters...I think it would be interesting if Warren was born not only with wings but blue skinned as well. They could show how he struggled as a kid growing up and how his parents made him cover up his wings and made him wear makeup.

His basic story would be that his parents denounce the fact that their son is a mutant and when Warren meets the X-Men, he becomes proud to be a mutant, or something like that.

[X-Maniac]

you know, keeping with the 'fresh' movie versions of certain characters...I think it would be interesting if Warren was born not only with wings but blue skinned as well. They could show how he struggled as a kid growing up and how his parents made him cover up his wings and made him wear makeup.

His basic story would be that his parents denounce the fact that their son is a mutant and when Warren meets the X-Men, he becomes proud to be a mutant, or something like that.

Don't you think we have enough blue mutants? Mystique, Nightcrawler, Beast.... That fact has already influenced (partly) which of those we see in X3. Nightcrawler will be absent, and Mystique may be made into a normal human.

I think it would be too much if we had yet another blue mutant. It would be anything but the 'fresh movie version' you mention - it would be theeee most tired movie version. Audiences would just remember Mystique and Nightcrawler and it would be sooo not fresh!

[JP]

If anything, I'd want him to be grey.

[Lightning Strykez!]

5) Angel's wings signify the same as other mutations - the teenager who feels out of place with the world, misunderstood by parents and peers. The emergence of the full wings and subsequent flight signifies finding freedom of expression, a 'coming out', a transition into adulthood, able to be who you are.

Let's talk about that for a moment:

Although he's not part of this current production, Singer made a point to sew in themes of acceptance of discriminated groupings of people (i.e. blacks, minorities, gay and lesbian individuals, et al) into X1 and X2.

For example, when I did a google search for the pics above I learned that Angelic wings are also used as a symbolic metaphor for Gay Life.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/elmonteban/ThugAngel.gif

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2917/picture16dd.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1390000/images/_1394403_angel_ap300.jpg

Musical artists i.e. Mariah Carey and R. Kelly have done songs that touch on this same metaphor, one that revolves around freeing oneself from the stigmatisms that the world places on certain groups.

From what we know, Warren's father is trying to stifle this very process with the demutantizing cure. Do you think that Ratner has the vision to tie in this "coming out" as a metaphor through Angel's ability to fly? If you think about it, there are many directions they could go with this that could really strike a political chord with everyday people--even boosting X3 to critical acclaim if it's done right.

This film needs to have a strong message of some kind and I think Angel is going to be the great key to it all.

[X-Maniac]

If anything, I'd want him to be grey.

But why would be he grey?????????

He was normal white skin colour in the comics, and only became blue as the metal-winged Archangel.

He should be a white-skinned. Blue is already well-covered. Grey would be odd, and yet more make-up to be applied as well as the wings. No need to complicate things. Beast is blue, Leech is green, that's enough skin changes for X3!!!!

[EnSabahNur]

you know, keeping with the 'fresh' movie versions of certain characters...I think it would be interesting if Warren was born not only with wings but blue skinned as well. They could show how he struggled as a kid growing up and how his parents made him cover up his wings and made him wear makeup.

His basic story would be that his parents denounce the fact that their son is a mutant and when Warren meets the X-Men, he becomes proud to be a mutant, or something like that.
Ok mutants get their powers during puberty
i think he should lay off on the makeup... he might end up looking like a michael jackson with wings....
His parents wont denounce he is a mutant, if they were gong to hide his powers etc theyd lock him away in their house and deny they have a son.... he watches children playing from a small windo.... he is frustrated that he cant play with them, he attempts to cut his wings off....
i dont think after meeting with the xmen he will be proud to be a mutant.... the movies arnt episodes from the 90's tv show where every one is happy in the end after becoming an xmen....

[JP]

But why would be he grey?????????

He was normal white skin colour in the comics, and only became blue as the metal-winged Archangel.

He should be a white-skinned. Blue is already well-covered. Grey would be odd, and yet more make-up to be applied as well as the wings. No need to complicate things. Beast is blue, Leech is green, that's enough skin changes for X3!!!!

Im just saying.. if it were to happen, I'd rather grey then blue.

[X-Maniac]

Let's talk about that for a moment:

Although he's not part of this current production, Singer made a point to sew in themes of acceptance of discriminated groupings of people (i.e. blacks, minorities, gay and lesbian individuals, et al) into X1 and X2.

For example, when I did a google search for the pics above I learned that Angelic wings are also used as a symbolic metaphor for Gay Life.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/elmonteban/ThugAngel.gif


Do you think that Ratner has the vision to tie in this "coming out" as a metaphor through Angel's ability to fly?


I don't think there were any obvious gay references in X1 or X2. Mutants were always a symbol for all minorities or repressed individuals, including gay people, but not exclusively.

Angel's flight would no doubt be interpreted as a flight of freedom, an escape from parental control and an overbearing father into a life of individuality, adulthood, and freedom of choice and expression, but not necessarily a gay thing. It's a coming out in a general sense, not a sexuality reference, unless Angel is made a gay character.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't think there were any obvious gay references in X1 or X2. Mutants were always a symbol for all minorities or repressed individuals, including gay people, but not exclusively.

Angel's flight would no doubt be interpreted as a flight of freedom, an escape from parental control and an overbearing father into a life of individuality, adulthood, and freedom of choice and expression, but not necessarily a gay thing. It's a coming out in a general sense, not a sexuality reference, unless Angel is made a gay character.

No I understand what you're saying but that's not exactly what I was asking for.
Since Avi and others have said this is going to be the most 'controversial' X-film, this character could be developed in ways that touch on themes that other comic book films haven't go into.

I edited my original post to flesh out my points a bit more clearly.

[Almighty Pejo]

I always liked Angel's blue and white suit with the halo most. The red and white didn't really work for me. The light blue fit well with him flying through a nice spring sky scene. The deep red just felt wrong tome, but I never understood why. Thank God you didn't include his second suit with the yellow and the suspenders. Horrid!

*Noting the varied looks of Angel's wings over the decades, which styling would look best for a modern silver screen treatment? Normal, feathered wings would look better. The metal wings would be easier overall, since they were shown to retract similarly to Wolverine's claws in many cases, but that would work best if they took the Weapon X avenue hinted at in X2, which clearly, they aren't. So a classic, feathered look works best for me.

*How appropriate would it be to tie in the Morlocks with Angel's storyline? That seems like a whooooole lot of plot for a single movie. The mutant massacre, if ever it were to be adapted, should come later. It's a crap load of stuff to do with Angel to introduce him, have his wings amputated and the whole nine yeards, while still giving the 48 thousand other characters some plot action.

*Do you think the rumored graphic descriptions of Angel's amputation attempts will be too strong for young audiences?Probably. Notice all the blood in X2? oh, that's right...there wasn't any. It'll likely be the same. There's no way they'll go past PG-13, and showing self mutilation might be too extreme. I can see him staring at the razor in his hands with a specific look that tells the audeince all to clearly what's going to happen, but showing it may be too far.

*Flight sequences: Should the studio designers go with all CGI or simply wirework? A mixture of both. If it's a wide shot, CGI is preferable, but up close and personal, they'll need to mix the movie magic to get it right, IMO.

*What impact do you feel Angel's conflict will have on teenagers who are searching for their own identites? I don't really know. I imagine it will have some sort of impact, but with so many rich characters facing similar conflicts, it'll probably have more impact when used in conjunction with the others.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/elmonteban/ThugAngel.gif
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2917/picture16dd.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1390000/images/_1394403_angel_ap300.jpgTeh hawtness!

I can see the "coming out" parrallel working well. It's not the same sort of coming out that Iceman had in X2, and that's good. Whereas Iceman was admitting he was a mutant to parents who had no idea, it's different with Angel, as I'm pretty sure the Worthington's know their son is a mutant. But using that scene as a parallel to accepting who and what you are and embracing it, as opposed to letting your "superiors" hold you down to where they want you to be, it could have an amazing effect. It all depends on appraoch.

[the a1ant]

With Ben Foster being cast, and articles keep mentioning Archangel, and I'm wondering...since he was supposed to be in X2 as a down-n-dirty Angel, maybe this isn't the clean-cut pretty boy Angel we were all expecting? I mean, the amputation scene sounds down and dirty enough...and the kid who's playing young Archangel isn't a lil adorable kid either. He's known for playing edgy, serious roles.

[aaron]

yeah, the kid really scared me in the butterfly effect

[Hunter Rider]

The guy playing him whilst a bit fugly is an actor with good range which should help convey the complexity of the character IMO
As for the wings i think they will be all CGI,they put Foster in a rig againsy greenscreen for some flying action but i think the wings will be totally digital making it easier for them to appear organic

[green]

Were the wings in Constantine completely digital? Personally I think they looked great and would definately be a good example to copy.

[Hunter Rider]

Were the wings in Constantine completely digital? Personally I think they looked great and would definately be a good example to copy.

I believe they were totaly digital,i was thinking of them when i made my post:up:

[green]

I believe they were totaly digital,i was thinking of them when i made my post:up:


I keep meaning to watch the special features on my dvd but everytime I go to I just decide to watch the movie instead. I guess I'll make a point to now. The scene where Gabriel has his/her wings removed and left with stubs :up:
Same cinematographer for both movies so its sort of a bit of a blessing, he has experience with wings. :)

[Hunter Rider]

I keep meaning to watch the special features on my dvd but everytime I go to I just decide to watch the movie instead. I guess I'll make a point to now. The scene where Gabriel has his/her wings removed and left with stubs :up:
Same cinematographer for both movies so its sort of a bit of a blessing, he has experience with wings. :)

The cinematographer and the Alcatraz sequence are the only 2 things right now that im really excited about on X3,

[green]

The cinematographer and the Alcatraz sequence are the only 2 things right now that im really excited about on X3,


Im actually rather excited about the script. I kinda hope they keep alot of the ideas intact that were reviewed. I like the idea of deaths and shaking things up. Mystique losing her powers is a great idea, it couldnt happen to a mutant who is more proud of her mutation(well maybe Magneto). I love that the origianl cast is back, not too crazy about the new additions( I like the characters not crazy about some of the actors). All in all I think things look good....oh except for the time frame for filming. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Im actually rather excited about the script. I kinda hope they keep alot of the ideas intact that were reviewed. I like the idea of deaths and shaking things up. Mystique losing her powers is a great idea, it couldnt happen to a mutant who is more proud of her mutation(well maybe Magneto). I love that the origianl cast is back, not too crazy about the new additions( I like the characters not crazy about some of the actors). All in all I think things look good....oh except for the time frame for filming. :o

The Mystique idea is an interesting one i agree,i just feel with the change in director and the huge amount of characters and shock moments in the script that i need to see a trailer to get a feel for where there' going with X3

[TNC9852002]

Heh...I'm watching Hostage for the first time today..

Ben Foster's acting = :up:

-TNC

[green]

The Mystique idea is an interesting one i agree,i just feel with the change in director and the huge amount of characters and shock moments in the script that i need to see a trailer to get a feel for where there' going with X3


Fair enough. I get an uneasy feeling about this Angel casting personally. I know Foster is a good actor, fine that's great but when it comes to this type of movie I think the actor needs to resemble the character physically. Foster IMO is no Angel. Hopefully it will work out in the end, I wont even go into my dislike for Grammar as Beast. :(

[afmvdp]

Actually in Dogman they were actual physical wings which even had a slight flapping ability as they really didn't show much activity with them though, I'm not sure how well it would work for someone like Angel who tends to be alot more mobile and active while winged.

http://dogma.film.ru/img/shots/angel.jpg
http://dogma.film.ru/img/shots/benphone1.jpg
http://dogma.film.ru/img/shots/benwings3.jpg

[GNR]

With Ben Foster being cast, and articles keep mentioning Archangel, and I'm wondering...since he was supposed to be in X2 as a down-n-dirty Angel, maybe this isn't the clean-cut pretty boy Angel we were all expecting? I mean, the amputation scene sounds down and dirty enough...and the kid who's playing young Archangel isn't a lil adorable kid either. He's known for playing edgy, serious roles.

I know,everyone's mentioning Archangel instead of Angel.I was watching The Unseen X2 last night,and the designs for Archangel looked hella cool.As much as I want to believe they're using Archangel with the metal wings and all,I doubt it.They would have to explain how his wings became metal and there's no way they can do that in a short period of time regardless of what kind of twist they put on it.

[Neto Magnus]

ok, let me elaborate on what I mean by what I said.

I understand that there are alot of blue mutants. I had an idea where Beast or someone predicts that in a few hundred years from now that all humans will evolve into blue skinned mutants, because the mutant gene is blue. Presently, there are only a few blueys cuz right now there is a 'transition' in evolution. That's why there are mutants that still look human cuz they are like the first of it's kind.

As for Angel, I like the idea of him being suicidal. But his parents are the reason why he feels that way. He thinks he's a monster or freak cuz his parents treat him that way. Also, I know that mutant powers manifest at puberty, so it means that Angel didn't learn to fly til he was a preteen. Mystique and Nightcrawler were born that way too and discovered their gifts later on in life.

Now i don't think that Angel should join the X-men, unless if his character is a teenager then maybe he can just go to school there. But if he's an adult why would he want to fight evildoers when he's a billionare(unless he's a different dude with wings:batman: ). But meeting with the X-men can help him feel better about himself and maybe he can go on to be a mutant activist...

or he can go back to being miserable and maybe oneday he'll come across a certain Egyptian dude and become his horseman. (I also, have a great storyline that can tie Apocalypse and Stryker. But I'm saving that for my fan-scripts;))

And one more thing, just for the hell of it I would love to see a moment where Angel, Iceman, Cyclops, Beast and Jean are fighting side by side or at least in a picture together.

[BT18]

why is this in the X-3 forum ? All we know is that Angel will be in this movie. Not Archangel.

[Almighty Pejo]

What difference does it really make? No matter which name is used, he's still Warren Kenneth Worthington III, isn't he?

[JP]

Heh...I'm watching Hostage for the first time today..

Ben Foster's acting = :up:

-TNC

Yay. He was really good in that movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

With Ben Foster being cast, and articles keep mentioning Archangel, and I'm wondering...since he was supposed to be in X2 as a down-n-dirty Angel, maybe this isn't the clean-cut pretty boy Angel we were all expecting? I mean, the amputation scene sounds down and dirty enough...and the kid who's playing young Archangel isn't a lil adorable kid either. He's known for playing edgy, serious roles.


Yeah I noticed that too...the little boy cast to play him is not exactly a cutie. So it's believable that he'd grow up into what Ben Foster looks like currently. So that leads me to believe that this Angel is going to be an oxymoron in this film--angelic wings with a demonic outlook, an almost hateful view of his mutation and a desire to be free from it.

What a conflict that could pose on screen! :eek:

[-Æ-]

Hmm some intresting proposals.

[GNR]

After seeing clips and previews of Mike Vogel in Supercross,I'm glad we got Ben Foster.From what I've seen,all Vogel would add to the screen are his similar features to Warren in the comics,but that's it.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Vogel is better-looking but all is not lost with Ben. It's a matter of cosmetics for him. For example, a long hairstyle off of that hairline would not look good at all as illustrated below..

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/hostagesimonlee/ben%20foster%20rw.jpg


Options?

Well, actually, when he's near bald he doesn't look nearly as bad, but the problem is his forehead, which almost neccessitates that he'd have to have a lowcut hairstyle to look decent for this particular role.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/hostage/ben_foster/hostagenypres.jpg

As you can see below, when that forehead is covered, he actually is a decent looking guy that can capture the look.

http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/d/df8b4155bf.jpg

So while Vogel may have been closer to Angel aesthetically, there still may be a way to get Ben to capture the look. I suggest they employ the use of wigs.

For example:

http://www.partyrama.co.uk/pp/Male_Short/images/23449smiffy.jpg

Can someone do a manip giving him bangs like the above?

[-Æ-]

^^^^ EWWW That guy in the blonde wig is totally creepy looking.

[JP]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


What??? :confused:

[The Original Bamfer]

http://www.partyrama.co.uk/pp/Male_Short/images/23449smiffy.jpg

:eek: That is Angel, this guy shoulda went for the role! :D :p

Wow, how horrible... I totally agreed with ya Lighty, that is, until you made it to that part!

[JP]

What??? :confused:


EH???

[Wynne]

*sighs and shakes her head* He is certainly NOT 'fugly', even to an infinitesimal degree, and he looks BEST with the longish hair, not worst. Crazy people.

[TNC9852002]

This is how I'm looking at it:

Hugh Jackman as Hugh Jackman:
http://4saltialcinema.intrattenimento.msn.it/qs/foto/Redazionali/News/hugh_jackman131004.jpg

Hugh Jackman as Wolverine:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2895/hjx2pro0072zk.jpg


Ben Foster as Ben Foster:
http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/d/df8b4155bf.jpg

Ben Foster as Angel:

???????



:o

-TNC

[Wynne]

High fives on that one! Who knows how they'll transform him? Foster really has looked quite different in the various roles I've seen him in.

Honestly, right now I can't imagine him as a billionaire playboy either, but then, I couldn't imagine him as a psychopath like Mars, and look how well he pulled that off. He was brilliant. I don't even have to wonder about whether he can do it; he can do it, and I personally can't wait to see it.

[aaron]

yeah, hes one of the best young actors in hollywood right now.

and even if he doesnt quite look the part, and i think he will, the acting is most important, so he can convince us of who he is

no doubts, he'll do great.

and anyway, its not bad lucking. i think hes handsome when hes tanned.

and in that hat i think he looks quite like justin timberlake, wich is never too bad is it? i mean, hes got cameron diaz!

[Lightning Strykez!]

He's dating Cameron?

[aaron]

justin timberlake is

[aaron]

theyre engaged

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hmmmm...well, she's marrying a punk.

Anyway, no takers on the manip request?

[americanguy96]

I totally agree with you kol lover on the acting bit. I think Foster is a terrific actor and that's what will make him the character, if you look the part great, but I couldn't care less about that. It matters that you can truly be the character.

[The Batman]

I'm glad Angel finally makes his appearance in an X-Men film.

Ben Foster's a good actor, but i always imagined Warren as a pretty boy type...

[-Æ-]

Ben Foster as Ben Foster:
http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/d/df8b4155bf.jpg


-TNC


Why does he look...well ummm....a little tweaked! :(

[aaron]

perhaps, because he is

[Octoberist]

To be fair, Ben Foster shaved his head and lost a lot of weight for a movie role. I hope that he grew his hair back and worked out for the role of Angel.

[Debo the Joker!]

This has to be my favourite picture of Arcangel because it makes him look like a real grand angel.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/Tellaart/X-men-Angel.jpg

[aaron]

i cant quite imagine ben foster ending up looking quite like that.

[JP]

yeah, thats a very 'out there' picture....

[aaron]

its a great picture though, a defining picture.

[Vanillathunderp]

Basically Archangel would be the only reason I go to see X3. He is probably the best mutant out there. I feel like there could be so many story lines around him. I always thought Brad Pitt would make the perfect Angel. I know that would be impossible, but with his features and long blonde hair he would be perfect. I feel like the Constantine Wings would work the best. If they actually made the wings they would have to do a pretty darn good job. And make it not look like they are standing still a lot. One of my favorite story lines was in one of the newer comics where everyone who saw Warren thought it was a sign from God about the end of the world. And everyone was going crazy. I think they shouldnt make the metal wings yet because the whole story behind that would take a while. And with all the new characters it could get very confusing for people watching the movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Basically Archangel would be the only reason I go to see X3. He is probably the best mutant out there. I feel like there could be so many story lines around him. I always thought Brad Pitt would make the perfect Angel. I know that would be impossible, but with his features and long blonde hair he would be perfect. I feel like the Constantine Wings would work the best. If they actually made the wings they would have to do a pretty darn good job. And make it not look like they are standing still a lot. One of my favorite story lines was in one of the newer comics where everyone who saw Warren thought it was a sign from God about the end of the world. And everyone was going crazy. I think they shouldnt make the metal wings yet because the whole story behind that would take a while. And with all the new characters it could get very confusing for people watching the movie.


Welcome to the Hype's X-Boards Vanillathunderp....:cool:

[Brainwave]

Basically Archangel would be the only reason I go to see X3. He is probably the best mutant out there. I feel like there could be so many story lines around him. I always thought Brad Pitt would make the perfect Angel. I know that would be impossible, but with his features and long blonde hair he would be perfect. I feel like the Constantine Wings would work the best. If they actually made the wings they would have to do a pretty darn good job. And make it not look like they are standing still a lot. One of my favorite story lines was in one of the newer comics where everyone who saw Warren thought it was a sign from God about the end of the world. And everyone was going crazy. I think they shouldnt make the metal wings yet because the whole story behind that would take a while. And with all the new characters it could get very confusing for people watching the movie.

I totally agree with you vanillatunderp
Metal wings as an introduction for the character in X3 would be a mistake. That is a storyline you would want to fully develop, not mix in with all of the other things they will have going on in this movie.

Hello to everyone ... new on the forum and have thoroughly enjoyed reading your comments today. Glad to see some true X-fans out there.

[Sparta*]

I am a really big Archangel/Angel fan but I think they casted him very very wrong in X3

[TNC9852002]

I am a really big Archangel/Angel fan but I think they casted him very very wrong in X3
You're entitled to your opinion, but if I were you, I'd reserve that judgement until AFTER the movie..

-TNC

[Vanillathunderp]

How did they cast him wrong, what could they have done??

[chuckweedle]

This is how I'm looking at it:

Hugh Jackman as Hugh Jackman:
http://4saltialcinema.intrattenimento.msn.it/qs/foto/Redazionali/News/hugh_jackman131004.jpg

Hugh Jackman as Wolverine:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2895/hjx2pro0072zk.jpg


Ben Foster as Ben Foster:
http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/d/df8b4155bf.jpg

Ben Foster as Angel:

???????



:o

-TNC


Very good point. In fact, when I was scrolling down and I saw the first picture of Hugh, I didn't really recognize him as Hugh. Pretty huge transformation on his part. I could definitely see Ben Foster making a huge transformation for this role. I think he'll do great.

[chuckweedle]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you ANGEL!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/frenchxtoast/benfosterwig.jpg

[The Original Bamfer]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you ANGEL!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/frenchxtoast/benfosterwig.jpg

Well...

...

You...

You definately did a perfect job at making Ben look like he was wearing a wig..

...

:D

I can not contain my... LAUGHTER

HAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

[chuckweedle]

:) Always good to meet a fan. ;) :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you ANGEL!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/frenchxtoast/benfosterwig.jpg


Thanx TS....

He certainly...doesn't capture the look of Angel. But he's passable. Not every casting has to be a dead ringer physically as long as they captures the "essence" of who Angel is.

[duo_gabo]

i wonder if his wings would be similar from the constantine "angel wings"...or even better..

[Sparta*]

How did they cast him wrong, what could they have done??

Cast someone who isn't a complete Ugmo!

[GNR]

edit

[Hunter Rider]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/frenchxtoast/benfosterwig.jpg

Can't say he's what i thought Angel would look like on the big screen

[Lightning Strykez!]

Cast someone who isn't a complete Ugmo!

Did you say.....ugmo?

:eek:























:D:up:

[GNR]

This is Ben looking at his most Warren Worthington III.Ben is perfect!

http://mi4.aacdn.us/pixen2/warrenx31.JPG

[JP]

He almost looks cute in that pic! :eek:

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is Ben looking at his most Warren Worthington III.Ben is perfect!




http://mi4.aacdn.us/pixen2/warrenx31.JPG


Actually that's not bad...he looks good there. Now if we could only get his finger out of his face so I coud see his mouth. :p

[Hunter Rider]

http://mi4.aacdn.us/pixen2/warrenx31.JPG


Actually that's not bad...he looks good there. Now if we could only get his finger out of his face so I coud see his mouth. :p

I don't know,he kinda reminds of how collin farrel looked drunk after finding out he had kissed a transexual:confused:

[Sparta*]

He's a dirtball and should never have been cast as Angel. The only reason you guys think he looks decent in that pic is because hes covering his wretched face hahaha

[JP]

Whatever....

[Octoberist]

Let Ben Foster pick his nose! He has rights! Leave him alone!

[Nathaniel_Essex]

he looks more like he's snorting coke in that pic

[Lightning Strykez!]

He's a dirtball and should never have been cast as Angel. The only reason you guys think he looks decent in that pic is because hes covering his wretched face hahaha


A dirtball? Erm, that's taking it a bit too far Sparta.

While I'll admit he looks like he fell from The Tree Of Ugliness and hit every branch on the way down), that's due to certain character roles he's assumed over the years. Even Charlize Theron looks hit up for varying roles she plays. And apparently Ben cleans up well. The most important thing is that he is supposedly a solid actor and that's what we need the MOST for this installment.

Besides, we have enough Adonis' on this cast, it's not like we've got a cast of dirtballs. :p

[WalkingDead]

He's a dirtball and should never have been cast as Angel. The only reason you guys think he looks decent in that pic is because hes covering his wretched face hahaha

What a friggin' jerk you are.

I mean seriously...I pray you look like a Finely-Chiseled God by some of your statements...so what if he isn't "brad pitt's more attactive brother", if he captures who Angel is as a character and displays the essence of a rich kid trying to cope with his physical mutation, it doesn't f***ing matter.

He is far from ugly...if he was just some guy on the street, not related to Angel, I bet half of you "he's one ugly mofo" people wouldn't say a damned thing and be like..."hey he's alright, he's not that bad looking a guy".

Seriously...friggin' jerks think every character has to be supermodel material. I know Angel is a pretty boy, with amazing looks...but come off of it...all of you guys get a f***ing clue. If he can play the part, back the f**k of the guy and let him try to embrace the character and pull through with a great performance.

[JP]

^^Agree... just wish the profanity wasn't so... there.

[Almighty Pejo]

http://mi4.aacdn.us/pixen2/warrenx31.JPGCoke head. *shakes head in dissapointment*

[WalkingDead]

^^Agree... just wish the profanity wasn't so... there.

Sorry, but I get so mad when people put others down over physical BS like this. People who are talented and can do great things shouldn't be judge and put down for their physically qualities, particularly when they aren't that bad-looking or horrible.

[Lightning Strykez!]

What a friggin' jerk you are.

I mean seriously...I pray you look like a Finely-Chiseled God by some of your statements...so what if he isn't "brad pitt's more attactive brother", if he captures who Angel is as a character and displays the essence of a rich kid trying to cope with his physical mutation, it doesn't f***ing matter.

He is far from ugly...if he was just some guy on the street, not related to Angel, I bet half of you "he's one ugly mofo" people wouldn't say a damned thing and be like..."hey he's alright, he's not that bad looking a guy".

Seriously...friggin' jerks think every character has to be supermodel material. I know Angel is a pretty boy, with amazing looks...but come off of it...all of you guys get a f***ing clue. If he can play the part, back the f**k of the guy and let him try to embrace the character and pull through with a great performance.


So...are you saying he should, uh, shut the f*** up? :p

[WalkingDead]

So...are you saying he should, uh, shut the f*** up? :p

Yes but I was trying to give myself more support past the basic I think you should...sort of more "here's why you should shut up".

I don't care, everyone hates me anyways, so whatever.

[Sparta*]

What a friggin' jerk you are.

I mean seriously...I pray you look like a Finely-Chiseled God by some of your statements...so what if he isn't "brad pitt's more attactive brother", if he captures who Angel is as a character and displays the essence of a rich kid trying to cope with his physical mutation, it doesn't f***ing matter.

He is far from ugly...if he was just some guy on the street, not related to Angel, I bet half of you "he's one ugly mofo" people wouldn't say a damned thing and be like..."hey he's alright, he's not that bad looking a guy".

Seriously...friggin' jerks think every character has to be supermodel material. I know Angel is a pretty boy, with amazing looks...but come off of it...all of you guys get a f***ing clue. If he can play the part, back the f**k of the guy and let him try to embrace the character and pull through with a great performance.

Screw you WalkingDead

I am allowed to express my opinion on the matter, thats why we are all here...I was just saying what I thought, and you freaked out like you were having a turrets syndrome attack.

Is every person that comes in here supposed to say "Wow! Ben Foster is awesome oh my god! He's the perfffeeecccttt Angel!! All my dreams have been fulfilled!!" I dont think so...difference of opinion is what makes things interesting.

I'm sure his acting is fine, but IMO thats not enough when your casting someone who has always been a ladies man since he was first introduced over 40 years ago! Would it have been hard to cast someone that had the ladies man charm, and good acting skills?!

That guy is an ugmo...and yes if you must know I am better looking then him, far better looking. So why don't you chill the hell out and lay off the Prozac...and next time maybe ask someone why they think something before you come rushin' in guns blazing.

[JP]

Foster is far from ugly. I hate that just because hes not a pretty boy hunk, people call him ugly.

Its the same thing with Hugh Jackman. Just because he isn't short hairy and ugly, like some would prefer Wolverine, doesn't make him this tall hunk that everyone who feels he was miscast make him out to be. Hugh is an average looking guy, he's no drop dead sexy man.

[Sparta*]

Foster is far from ugly. I hate that just because hes not a pretty boy hunk, people call him ugly.


Well thats just an issue your going to have to deal with because you can't change what other people say. People are allowed to call people ugly if they want...even if that person might not be ugly to someone else.

[JP]

Ha, your funny. I bet you couldn't wait to hit submit and let the world see your witty charm. :)












:down :o

[Sparta*]

You misunderstood my meaning...I edited it for clarity.

[Sparta*]

- EDIT -

[WalkingDead]

Screw you WalkingDead
I'm not gonna say I'm sorry or apologize...but I'll explain my explosive reaction and cursing...
I'm just tired of many people talking crap about others for physical looks, when the physical looks of a person can be altered a great deal with lighting, make-up, and digital effects...they can make many average or even heavily disproportioned and disfigured people look pretty damn good with enough effort.
There is no true statement I can say that will defend my explosive reaction...it was a knee-jerk reaction, and could not have been the best one to choose. But I'll stand by what I said.


Is every person that comes in here supposed to say "Wow! Ben Foster is awesome oh my god! He's the perfffeeecccttt Angel!! All my dreams have been fulfilled!!" I dont think so...difference of opinion is what makes things interesting.
No...they aren't. And yes you can express your opinion on this...however you come here calling someone a dirtball who hasn't even been displayed as wether he'll be altered in any way to be the character. And the fact that Foster MIGHT actually be a nice guy and a good actor that brings the perfect Angel persona to the screen, and yet some people are refusing to give him a chance based on the facts that he AIN'T a playboy or model.


I am allowed to express my opinion on the matter, thats why we are all here...I was just saying what I thought, and you freaked out like you were having a turrets syndrome attack.
Noted and Agreed.


I'm sure his acting is fine, but IMO thats not enough when your casting someone who has always been a ladies man since he was first introduced over 40 years ago! Would it have been hard to cast someone that had the ladies man charm, and good acting skills?!

That guy is an ugmo...and yes if you must know I am better looking then him, far better looking. So why don't you chill the hell out and lay off the Prozac...and next time maybe ask someone why they think something before you come rushin' in guns blazing.
He MIGHT have the acting abilities to pull off the Ladies' Man Charm...that is all on his acting ability, which I feel he'll have and bring to the screen well...IF Angel is written to be that way, which we aren't sure he is actually written to be the playboy version of the comics.
Good for you on your looks. I hope it has brought you a lot of happiness and excellence in life. I don't and never will wish you ill in any way or form. And no I'm not on any drugs...your comments just hit me as the final straw so-to-speak.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't care, everyone hates me anyways, so whatever.


No we don't. Calm down. :cool:

[Sparta*]

All good points WalkingDead...I would have gladly read them and respected them if you had posted them earlier as opposed to what you did post.

[chuckweedle]

So. In the picture of Ben foster with the slicked-back hair and fumanchu, I would say that yes, he does look like he is doing coke. But that's just because of his unfortunate hand placement. I'd say if the hand and fumanchu are removed, and he looks like that in the movie, he'll make a good Angel. People can say he's ugly all they want. He'll do just fine, complaining about his casting will do no good at this point. It's better just to support it and go into the movie with an optimistic view. But, that's just my opinion. :)

[GNR]

Cmon guys,let's settle down and be mature about this.How does the fact that his hand is over his face relate to his supposed "ugliness" or the fact that he looks like a drug addict?The man is clearly far from deformed to say the least.Let's face it,I'm pretty sure we all have bad pics where we look like idiots!Does it mean we are?NO!

[WalkingDead]

Cmon guys,let's settle down and be mature about this.How does the fact that his hand is over his face relate to his supposed "ugliness" or the fact that he looks like a drug addict?The man is clearly far from deformed to say the least.Let's face it,I'm pretty sure we all have bad pics where we look like idiots!Does it mean we are?NO!
:up: :up: Rock On! :up: :up:





Even if I didn't really help with my outrageous spewing of anger.

[aaron]

whats the most up-to-date pic we have of ben?

this one is from the may 24th:

http://web.wireimage.com/images/thumbnail/5095822.jpg

[Vanillathunderp]

That last pic looks like Warren kinda (when warren had short hair and a beard) It doesnt matter what he looks like. When one looks for an actor, you look for the ones that can act. It doesnt matter what they look like because makeup artists can do many amazing things. I'm excited to see what he's going to look like!

[twinfrodo]

Well I haven't seen Foster in Anything yet so I don't know and by the by how tall is Foster I've always thought Angel was tall it's maybe one way besides his acting to judge.

[Retroman]

I'm not a supporter of the Ben Foster as Angel casting just based on his looks. I've always imagined that Angel should look something like Brad Pitt in Meet Joe Black but younger. Angel's first appearance is supposed to make the audience go 'Wow'. I just don't get that vibe with Foster. Having said that Ben did beat dozens of others stars for the role so i expect some good of his performance + he does look a lot like the Angel concept art Guy Dyas did for X2 (the ones on the dvd).

[Retroman]

Here's a new article and pic of Mike Vogel, pictured with his stunning wife Courtney, talking about decifing between two blockbusters - X3 and the Poseidon Adventure. Both are shooting at the same time.

From FILMSTEW.COM:
From Superheroes to Supercross

One turned down a role in X-Men 3; the other vied for the lead in Superman Returns. Meet Mike Vogel and Steve Howey, stars of Fox’s latest family flick.
http://www.filmstew.com/Users/Features/12180/sg_vogel.jpg
By Christina Radish

For actors, the old saying, ‘When it rains, it pours,’ is often a painful reality. Take for example Mike Vogel. Not so long ago, the 26-year-old Pennsylvania native was offered two major Hollywood film roles in the same week, on the same day.

“That was a surreal week,” he admits during a recent interview with FilmStew of having to turn down the role of Angel in X-Men 3 to instead work with filmmaker Wolfgang Petersen on the remake Poseidon. “You’re usually fighting it out to get one job, and to get two on the same day is a wild thing. But, the schedules conflicted, and so, I had to make a choice of one or the other.”

“Brett Rather wasn’t with X-Men 3 at the time,” he adds. “It wasn’t that the script was weak. But, at the end of the day, the opportunity to work with Wolfgang Petersen, for me, was huge. He’s just done so many great movies that I wanted that chance. And, Poseidon was just more of an actor’s piece. The part was a little bigger, and it offered me more opportunity to play around with the character, so that’s what I went with.”
Source: http://www.filmstew.com/Content/Article.asp?Pg=1&ContentID=12180

[Retroman]

Here are some Angel storyboards Mike Vena did for X-Men 2. The proposed but aborted cameo the mutant with wings was going to make.

X2 ANGEL STORYBOARDS
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8092/3104454main0tt.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6033/3104455main8wt.jpg

Credit to MIKE VENA and COUNTINGDOWN.COM

[Ballistic Liz]

Yes but I was trying to give myself more support past the basic I think you should...sort of more "here's why you should shut up".

I don't care, everyone hates me anyways, so whatever.

I don't hate you,

In the contary I 100% agree with what you just said.:up:

[aaron]

“Brett Rather wasn’t with X-Men 3 at the time,” he adds. “It wasn’t that the script was weak. But, at the end of the day, the opportunity to work with Wolfgang Petersen, for me, was huge. He’s just done so many great movies that I wanted that chance. And, Poseidon was just more of an actor’s piece. The part was a little bigger, and it offered me more opportunity to play around with the character, so that’s what I went with.”

well ive heard his poseidon role isnt that big, does that mean that angel wont have as big a role as we thought?

[Electrix]

I think there are less characters in the other movie he is doing. More time for his character.

[JP]

I fell made for Mike and his statment about "The part was a little bigger, and it offered me more opportunity to play around with the character". Seeing as the poor child cant act.

[aaron]

lol. and thats why im happy weve got ben.

[GNR]

Geez,never knew Angel was planned to cameo in the Alkali lake scene.What the heck is going on in that storyboard though?

[ichorinmyveins]

bump. In here I found the more informative and thought-provoking discussions.

[JustABill]

Yeah, what exactly is going on in that storyboard? I can't really tell. Are you sure that's at Alkali Lake?

[aaron]

yeah, its quite hard to decipher.

[duo_gabo]

its quite possible... I mean we did last saw jean in the alkali lake.. so it might be it..

[chamber-music]

Man Ben Foster would cry if he read this board, a bunch of people calling him ugly.

[JustABill]

Alot of people would cry reading this board. Some people are just way too damn negative about everything. If it isn't Ben, it's Halle, if it's not her, it's Brett, if it's not Brett, it's Kelsey. No one on this freaking film can catch a break. Lol.

[aaron]

i dont think bens ugly, in some pics he quite good looking.

and im sure some of the cast do come on here, to see response...as im sure zak penn, etc do

[duo_gabo]

ben will work as angel...lol

[Connor MacLeod]

I don't think he's ugly, but I've seen nothing that shows him to be definitively handsome either.

[JustABill]

^Agreed.

[Lightning Strykez!]

*SIGH*

This thread depresses me now that I've seen Mike Vogel again.
Damn, this boy is beautiful--he IS what Angel is supposed to be
aesthetically: an adonis.


http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/96210/po.66267.jpghttp://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Vogel3-300.jpg

http://www.celebritywonder.com/mp/2003_The_Texas_Chainsaw_Massacre/2003_Texas_Chainsaw_Massacre_002.jpg


:o

I'll take what you guys say about Ben's acting as solace...
because seeing what coulda-woulda-shoulda been makes me sick
in retrospective.

[JustABill]

God. You are so right, Lightning. The guy is gorgeous. I know the movie isn't the best movie in the world, but he has a scene in Grind where he is in boxers, don't recall if he's shirtless or not, but anyways, the movie is worth watching just to see Mike show just that much skin.

But Ben is a better actor to me than Mike. Although Mike is simply no hold bars better looking. -stares at the pics-

[Lamp]

He's not tall enough
And not a playboy-ish look
But i'm not ready to dismiss him just yet, i'll give him a chance, at least wait for some screenshots

Next, my favortite character is ARCHangel. But Angel won't make for any kickass action scenes, which is what a lot of ppl go to this for. Maybe if they take the liberty of giving him the ability to shoot deadly feathers in place of Archangel's missiles. I dunno, Angel can't really hold his own in a battle, but Archangel definitly can.
So i suggest Magneto taking over Apocalypse's role in Archangel's birth, i mean there's only gonna be 3 X-men movies, and Apocalypse won't appear, so there's no need saving that storyline. Archangel is just too friekin awesome to pass up. I know this is very very untrue to the comics, but since when has Pyro been in the mutant academy, and since when has Iceman been timid and a newcomer compared to storm and wolverine. I think Archangel could rival Wolverine in little kids idolatry, anybody agree/ see this happening (i know its not going to but i would COMPLETELY support it, in fact this is the only thing that i would support Ratner in taking liberty to change the comic, even though its a huge change. I just love Archangel that much)

[JP]

*SIGH*

This thread depresses me now that I've seen Mike Vogel again.
Damn, this boy is beautiful--he IS what Angel is supposed to be
aesthetically: an adonis.



Yeah, it is a real shame the kid can't act his was out of a cardboard box. :o

[JustABill]

^Lmao. I thought he (Vogel) was good in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, practically the scene with Biel where she has to finish off what Leatherface didn't. Although she still steals the scene away from him.

[thorstone]

Most likely Angel will be involved in the Apocolypse storyline in part 4.

[JustABill]

o_O. Who said Apocalypse was going to be in 4? Who said there was going to be a part 4?

[Valorman]

please god there better not be an apocalypse in ANY x-men movie

[JustABill]

I never understood the love of Apocalypse from so many fans. He's not all that great, IMO.

[ichorinmyveins]

I got a little thinking about Angel's storyline to tie in with Phoenix.

1. Angel's parents being famous hides him resulting to his inner conflict;
2. His father finds cure for his son while making the world believe that he is helping to cure mutants of their disease.
3. Cure is to be tested to real mutants, so they call for any volunteers, or probably abduct some mutants.
4. Warren senior now tries to cure Angel, but the latter decides against it.
5. While the drama in Angel's life is going on, the world seems to be in chaos too, the breakout of the mutants, the sighting of a magnificent something somewhere.
6. Phoenix rises...
Angel escapes and flies
7. Phoenix ravages earth
mutants in war
8. ?
People could interpret seeing Angel amid this pandemonium as the sign of the second coming: Apocalypse.

[JustABill]

Apocalypse. Will not be in an X-Men film. At least not these X-Men films.

[Valorman]

and thats a GOODDD thing too

[JustABill]

I'll say it again. I'll never understand the fascination with Apocalypse. Although I am looking foward to X-Men Legends 2 where he has a pretty big role.

[Valorman]

i dont know..i was in the minority of people who hated x-men legends..it bored me

[JustABill]

Yes. As you said. Minority. :p Loserrr. :p

[Valorman]

psh..its hip to be a square

[JustABill]

Lol. Whatever you say. Loserrrr. :p

OK, I'll drop it now.

[Valorman]

you better drop it..you PHEONIX N..ok i wont go there again

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yeah, it is a real shame the kid can't act his was out of a cardboard box. :o

Since when was "acting" ability an important thing? :rolleyes:

[Jan Irisi]

you better drop it..you PHEONIX N..ok i wont go there again



Phoenix. Dammit!!!!!!!!!

[Valorman]

well well.writing has been proven to be one of my weaknesses :D

[Jan Irisi]

:p :p

[JustABill]

Since when was "acting" ability an important thing? :rolleyes:

It's a very important thing, mind you. Lol. But I do agree Mike Vogel = Hot = Warren.

[Valorman]

Since when was "acting" ability an important thing? :rolleyes:


true..i mean look at sabertooth

[JustABill]

Sabertooth was a wrestler. Mind you. They are expected to suck at acting. :p

[Connor MacLeod]

It's not like they gave Sabretooth much to say.

[JustABill]

Yeah, he was also pretty much a mute.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I was being facetious fellas. Of course quality acting supercedes looks. But considering how good looking Vogel is I just wish they'd made an exception so we could get another Stewartesque dead-on casting.

Oh well. What we have here

http://web.wireimage.com/images/thumbnail/5095822.jpg

will hopefully capture the best of both worlds--looks and acting prowess. And considering that all of the other X-Males are cleanshaven I suggest they let this cat keep his stache...he looks better with it.

[JustABill]

^Agreed. Very much so on that last part about the clean shavenness and him keeping his stache.

[Connor MacLeod]

He looks like a bird not an angel...

http://web.wireimage.com/images/thumbnail/5095822.jpg
http://tultw.com/pics/eggjr0011.jpg

[JustABill]

Lmao! I remember that cartoon. He does favor it. Hahaha.

[Lightning Strykez!]

He looks like a bird not an angel...

http://web.wireimage.com/images/thumbnail/5095822.jpg
http://tultw.com/pics/eggjr0011.jpg


That's not nice... :mad:






























But it's funny as haaaell!!! :D:up:

[JustABill]

Lol. This board cracks me up too much sometimes.

[Connor MacLeod]

That's not nice... :mad:






























But it's funny as haaaell!!! :D:up:

*takes a bow*

[Lightning Strykez!]

*takes a bow*

http://www.shamelesstourist.com/clapping.gif

[JustABill]

God, I'm glad it's not humanly possible to clap that fast. It'd hurt. :(

[TimDrakeRobin45]

Here is something i whipped up real quick.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/X3ANGEL.jpg

[JustABill]

^God. I just can't see Warren Worrthington III in that.

Nice job, though.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

me either, but it is the most Warren looking pic of Ben i can find.
Thanks by the way.

[Connor MacLeod]

Here is something i whipped up real quick.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/X3ANGEL.jpg

Is that Dave from the Punisher? Someone manip his metal onto his face!! :D

[Lightning Strykez!]

Here is something i whipped up real quick.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/X3ANGEL.jpg


That is excellent.

Tell me, if we supply you better full-body pix of Ben, can you manip those too? :eek:

[JustABill]

^ Pleaseeee.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

Gimme what you got! lol

[JustABill]

Lol. -looks at Lightning- Well?

[Gimpy]

Is that Dave from the Punisher? Someone manip his metal onto his face!! :D

"Spacker Dave", I would, but can't, it would look like grey blobs comimng off hi head.

[Lamp]

i dont know..i was in the minority of people who hated x-men legends..it bored me
thank you so very much.
I think "missed oppurtunity" sums it up perfectly

[Octoberist]

I hope that X-Men Legends 2 will be better.

The problem is that there's not enough differences between some of the characters. For example, Jubilee in the game was just like Gambit.

[JustABill]

You mean Gambit was just like Jubilee. :p. You got Jubilee earlier than you did Gambit, so yeah, HE copied HER.

Damn wiley cajun stealing his moves from the mallrat. Never thought it would come to that.

[Octoberist]

What I MEANT was that Gambit and Jubilee played alike. It's to the point where they should of gotten rid of Jubilee. Same issue with Emma Frost, Pysklocke, and Jean Grey..

[Ballistic Liz]

What I MEANT was that Gambit and Jubilee played alike. It's to the point where they should of gotten rid of Jubilee. Same issue with Emma Frost, Pysklocke, and Jean Grey..


I only got to Muir Island... loved Jean Grey, but she flys and has telecanetic powers, Frost and Pyslocke don't. So how did they play the same? I never got to play them.

[Octoberist]

you got little differences here and there, but they'll all the same. Like with Jubliee and Gambit; they were very similar. It takes away the unqiueness of each character. So in other words, it's like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter 2.

[Ballistic Liz]

you got little differences here and there, but they'll all the same. Like with Jubliee and Gambit; they were very similar. It takes away the unqiueness of each character. So in other words, it's like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter 2.

I guess the only nice thing then is that fact you can play with your favorite character, whoever that may be.

Is Jubilee even popular?

I can't wait to play as Magneto! *drools*

Oh, back to Angel.

Ummm... he... was .... freaky but good in Hostage. Wearing a good wig might hid his high hair line.

And... the wings should look awesome!

[Octoberist]

yeah, his hairline is receding. If he went with the emo look, it should be fine. BUt it won't fit Angel (unless done right)

[Ballistic Liz]

yeah, his hairline is receding. If he went with the emo look, it should be fine. BUt it won't fit Angel (unless done right)

In his most recent pic's his hair is way too short anyway. So, I'm thinking wig.

Nic. Cage's wig look pretty good for ghost rider. I like it!

Angel's hair will look fine, you'll see.:)

[JustABill]

Lol. Jubilee is popular. And yeah, I think his hair will be fine.

[Retroman]

X2 writer Mike Dougherty on the VERY cool Angel cameo they had to cut.

From COMICS CONTINUUM - Tuesday, November 25, 2003:

QUESTION: Michael, what kinds of things did you have to cut?

DOUGHERTY: The hard thing is being the guy that has to watch a lot of things get cut. As I said before, Angel. He actually became a really good character. I know a lot of people complain that Cyclops was barely in the movie, but he was supposed to be in the movie more.

He was going to wake up in Stryker's facility in a prison cell. And he's going to hear a voice in the next cell over. And he was going to start talking to this mutant prisoner. And finally he asks him what's his name. And he finds out it's Warren. And we were never going to see him. You were just going to see his eyes.

And eventually they pull of this escape and he blows the wall open and we realize it's Angel. And it was this great sequence.

We find out about Warren. He was a kid that when his parents found out he was a mutant, had him sent off to get fixed, to get corrected. And he woke up in this experimental facility instead. And that was really tragic.

By the time we came aboard, I think the Sentinels were down to a cameo.
Source: http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0311/25/xmen.htm


Thanks to SLIM X http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86302&highlight=angel for the link.

[Retroman]

Do you think that Ben Foster looks a lot like the concept design Guy Dyas did for X2?

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5984/trouble22ww.jpghttp://img394.imageshack.us/img394/330/angelconceptartguydyas5yq.jpg

Thanks to Lisea for posting the Angel screencap way back in '03

[JustABill]

Oh. That sounds very very cool.

[JustABill]

Wow, that's the best pic of Ben, I've ever seen and yeah, he sorta does.

[Ballistic Liz]

Lol. Jubilee is popular. And yeah, I think his hair will be fine.

Is she in one of the X-Men teams as a regular or in a different book?

*I can't afford comics right now*

[Ballistic Liz]

Wow, that's the best pic of Ben, I've ever seen and yeah, he sorta does.

Yup, that's a old pic of him before he went grundge.

He can look pretty, and hey make up make up make up... guys wear just as much make up in movies as the girls.

[JustABill]

I have no problem with guys wearing make up in movies if it improves their look, and yeah I know that guys wearing make up on stage/in movies. I've been in Drama, since 10th grade.

Jubilee is currently in limbo, but she recently had her own mini-series.

[Ballistic Liz]

I have no problem with guys wearing make up in movies if it improves their look, and yeah I know that guys wearing make up on stage/in movies. I've been in Drama, since 10th grade.

Jubilee is currently in limbo, but she recently had her own mini-series.

Just say no to limbo!

*If she was really popular she wouldn't be in limbo so often*

Me, I liked her as Wolverine's side-kick.

But now that she getting older maybe his friend, and wow there's a ton of Jube's and Wolive romance out there too... and if well done, I actually like it.:eek:

[JustABill]

Jubilee needs to mature in the comics really, that's the problem. They have no clue how to mature her and bring her back in. She's popular they just don't know what to do with her character.

I say make her more mature and bring her back as a teacher at the school teaching the Academy X kids and such. Possibly have her on one of the teams also. But it'd be interesting to see her in a stritcly older mature teacher role, but still of course mantain a bit of her sassy fun wild side, but not too much.

[Ballistic Liz]

Jubilee needs to mature in the comics really, that's the problem. They have no clue how to mature her and bring her back in. She's popular they just don't know what to do with her character.

I say make her more mature and bring her back as a teacher at the school teaching the Academy X kids and such. Possibly have her on one of the teams also. But it'd be interesting to see her in a stritcly older mature teacher role, but still of course mantain a bit of her sassy fun wild side, but not too much.

Yay, sound like an idea.

The last time I saw her character, because of my out-of-date-ness was when some of the Generation X kids where killed, crucified, and Skin died, Jube's was saved from Angel's healing, which I wa slike Angel's blood heals? Still not sure where that came from.

Ya, question. What happened for Angel's blood to start healing people and how did he find that out? Because really normally you don't go pulling your blood into other people.

[JustABill]

Lmao. I don't know the exact point of that myself. All I know is that he also once had to use it to save Husk (His now girlfriend, if you didn't know that) from dying.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Speaking of Angel's healing ability: Is it feasible that this particular power display could be used in X3 in connections with the alleged mutant deaths? Maybe one of the characters is just the side of death and Angel reinvigorates him?

Something to think about...

[JustABill]

^Ohhhhhh. That is indeed something to think about.

[americanguy96]

I certainly would not mind if they brought in Angel's secondary mutation, and having him revive someone would definetly be welcomed.

[JustABill]

I wouldn't either, I thought his secondary mutation made him far more interesting. Angel always the the boring one of the original 5 team members to me.

[Demon Within]

ArchAngel is awsome i love that guy. It would be cool to see him in the movie.

[Vanillathunderp]

I wouldn't either, I thought his secondary mutation made him far more interesting. Angel always the the boring one of the original 5 team members to me.

Ow my soul, how can you say that? Angels my favorite. I never really likes Beast. Anyway I wanted to bring up the scene in X2 where Wolverine goes into the room that he had surgery in. If you look in the back where you can see all the x-rays, you can see x-rays of archangels wings. I wonder if that will play a part in this next movie??

[JustABill]

Hmm. It was probably just a shout out to Angel, and originally Cyclops was suppose to meet Warren at Alkali lake, maybe it was just like ''Hey! That's what Stryker was going to do with him!"

[Demon Within]

Ow my soul, how can you say that? Angels my favorite. I never really likes Beast. Anyway I wanted to bring up the scene in X2 where Wolverine goes into the room that he had surgery in. If you look in the back where you can see all the x-rays, you can see x-rays of archangels wings. I wonder if that will play a part in this next movie??

Nope that would be too cool sorry. /banned for creativity and a good eyeball. shame on you my friend. Hope your mothers proud.

[ThunderWolf72]

Hey Lightning! Just wanted to poke my head in and say, "Hi!!!"

*hugs and kisses*

[JustABill]

Wow. Lightning is getting a little action.

[Vanillathunderp]

Nope that would be too cool sorry. /banned for creativity and a good eyeball. shame on you my friend. Hope your mothers proud.

I do have a good eye, thanks :)

[The Original Bamfer]

Speaking of Angel's healing ability: Is it feasible that this particular power display could be used in X3 in connections with the alleged mutant deaths? Maybe one of the characters is just the side of death and Angel reinvigorates him?

Something to think about...

Wow, that is a great thought! :up:

He could revive Xavier, who could be dying of the 'Legacy Virus'... but not Cyke, because he's gonna be nothin' but dust, althought I do believe Phoenix will put him back together... :p

[JP]

Again with the spoiler tags... :confused:

Although.. I guess that was a spoiler... somehow.

[The Original Bamfer]

Again with the spoiler tags... :confused:

I took the other ones off, but this one was needed. It has supposed spoilers in it, not stuff I made up... if people don't want to know rumors about how how X_____ d___ then more power to'em.

[Vanillathunderp]

Speaking of Angel's healing ability: Is it feasible that this particular power display could be used in X3 in connections with the alleged mutant deaths? Maybe one of the characters is just the side of death and Angel reinvigorates him?

Something to think about...

ooooooo you are good. It would look like a vision of one of gods angels healing the wounded. I like I like! That would be a powerful scene.

[JustABill]

TOB love spoiler tags, let me tell you. He should marry them :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hey Lightning! Just wanted to poke my head in and say, "Hi!!!"

*hugs and kisses*

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

THUNDERWOLF!!!! Wassup!!!! Long time no type to! I see Neto Magnus is getting his recruit on eh??? Welcome to the Hype!

Ladies and Gents--this poster is like the most awesome poster of all time...a good buddy of mine when I was a member on the X2 IMDB boards.

[OroroMunroe]

Well, then he's a friend of mine. Cause any friend of yours is a friend of mine, Lightning. :D

[Lightning Strykez!]

Actually...it's a 'she'. :cool:

[OroroMunroe]

Well, then she is a friend of mine. Sorry about that. Haha.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That's okay.

Better a "he" or "she" than a Shim.

[Hunter Rider]

the crakle of T3h sexual chemistry:eek: :o

[OroroMunroe]

Are you talking about moi and Lightning? Or Thunderwolf and Lightning?

[Hunter Rider]

Are you talking about moi and Lightning? Or Thunderwolf and Lightning?

all 3 of ya's:eek: ;)

[OroroMunroe]

:eek: What did I get myself into?

[Hunter Rider]

:eek: What did I get myself into?

Well Lightnin is a bit of a playa with the net honey's and when he clicks this he's gonna go get his bolt pics:eek: :p

[OroroMunroe]

:p. Lol.

[Lightning Strykez!]

http://lynx.uio.no/jon/gif/nature/lightning.gif


Um hmmm. :cool:

[Kmack]

THUNDERWOLF!!!! Wassup!!!! Long time no type to! I see Neto Magnus is getting his recruit on eh??? Welcome to the Hype!

Ladies and Gents--this poster is like the most awesome poster of all time...a good buddy of mine when I was a member on the X2 IMDB boards.
Sounds cool:up: Welcome to the Hype! Thunderwolf:)

We sure have been getting a lot of new members this week:eek:

[OroroMunroe]

Kmack. I absolutely adore your avatar. It's the shiznit.

[Kmack]

Thanx:D

[Neto Magnus]

Hey Lightning! Just wanted to poke my head in and say, "Hi!!!"

*hugs and kisses*

wut up my bee itch?!!!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Now if we can get Sweetcuppincakes, Mani, Spectre, Kobolt and MsQ here we'll be truly rocking on this forum. Sonny make it happen man--you've got the power.

[Octoberist]

Look at you...you man whore!!!!! Madness!

[TimDrakeRobin45]

here ya go

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/Angel.jpg

[Kmack]

Cool:up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

here ya go

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/Angel.jpg


You know what...he might actually work.

X-cellent manip TimD. :up:

[OroroMunroe]

Wow. I can actually seem him as Warren now. He's lookingggg gooddd there.

[JP]

I like.

[Hunter Rider]

Good manip:up: the soft focus lighting helps his fugliness:o

[green]

Good manip:up: the soft focus lighting helps his fugliness:o

Hopefully they use that soft focus throughout the film with him..... :o

[Hunter Rider]

Hopefully they use that soft focus throughout the film with him..... :o

:eek: :D :up:

[Genosha]

Hey, when is Ben Foster going to film? I guess they've got him scheduled for later on in the shoot.
I just thought it was odd that they have shot some mansion scenes with a lot of the students and X-Men characters around, but Angel wasn't mentioned. The only thing I can think of is that maybe Angel never truly goes to the school or stays with the team the whole movie.
Maybe he just helps them out in a couple of the plots. You'd think that if he joined the team he would've been at the funeral. Perhaps he was there........hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know, am I way off?

[Kmack]

Good manip:up: the soft focus lighting helps his fugliness:o
Yes, it does:o

[Retroman]

New blurb on the Angel FX:

July 14th, 2005
It's part of the reason I love L.A. Such amazing things come and go here. Just in the next 30 days alone, I have and will get to be involved in some pretty cool things that I know otherwise would be alot more difficult. There's the party I attended this past Sunday which was plagued with "Industry" folk. A special effects guy working on Xmen 3 and something by M. Night Shamalyn (which he couldn't say WHAT). He mentioned who in Xmen he's working on, such as Juggernaut and he said Archangel. Though, he may or may not have had that one correct since I've heard Angel, not the Archangel version. Source: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ryanvinson/

[Octoberist]

They guy is probably working on M. Night's "Lady in the Water" for Warner Bros.

Also, I think the guy got the name mixed up. It's going to be Angel; I can't see ArchAngel without that huge backstory.

But if they chose to use Angel and renamed him Archangel just for the heck of it, I'll be fine. I prefer the "Archangel" anyway..

[Connor MacLeod]

Also, I think the guy got the name mixed up. It's going to be Angel; I can't see ArchAngel without that huge backstory.

But if they chose to use Angel and renamed him Archangel just for the heck of it, I'll be fine. I prefer the "Archangel" anyway..

:up: I totally agree.

[JP]

Angel is so much easier to say. Can you picture Patrick and Halle saying 'Archangel'.

[Connor MacLeod]

Patrick: "Ahk-ayn-gel"

[GNR]

Archangel sounds so much better and less cliche.As much as I want to see the death wings,I see that as highly unlikely.I wonder why alot of articles and people working on the project still are referring to him as Archangel though.

Guys,I had the craziest dream.Jason Statham was casted as Mr.Sinister.Weird huh.